Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 30, 2025


Tales of Regime Change： Iraq — The War That Rewired The World


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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning
00:00:34.220 meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:40.640 A commentator, international social media sensation,
00:00:45.020 and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:47.280 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.280 Christ is king!
00:00:52.020 My fellow citizens, at this hour,
00:00:55.140 American and coalition forces are in the early stages 0.99
00:00:57.940 of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from 0.88
00:01:04.040 grave danger. 0.93
00:01:05.940 On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance
00:01:11.780 to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. 0.86
00:01:15.440 I take the threat very seriously, I take the fact that he develops weapons of mass destruction 0.86
00:01:37.920 very seriously.
00:01:38.920 20% of the total amount added to the US national debt between 2001 and 2012 were just the
00:01:44.940 the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:01:47.600 Obviously, the war in Iraq is a big, fat mistake.
00:01:52.120 The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction.
00:01:56.320 It turns out he didn't.
00:01:57.820 Central Baghdad.
00:01:58.820 This crowd, this small crowd that's a swell to this now, taking off their shoes, throwing 0.97
00:02:04.460 them at this statue, which is a deeply insulting Arab gesture. 0.98
00:02:09.880 It looks like it might be coming down. 0.98
00:02:14.820 seconds, Saddam will be executed. Before he manages to complete his last prayer, the Shiite 0.98
00:02:19.860 security guard opens the scaffold.
00:02:23.300 Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and
00:02:29.880 our allies have prevailed.
00:02:34.320 The individual was strapped with explosives, but me and my fellow three marines that was
00:02:40.500 injured had no idea he was there.
00:02:43.740 years after the war began, the American death toll has reached at least 4,000. The military
00:02:50.160 says the latest deaths occurred Sunday. A roadside bomb killed four U.S. soldiers in
00:02:56.380 southern Baghdad. President Bush said that he will leave Washington next week with a great
00:03:02.380 sense of accomplishment. Do you feel the same way? I do. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard
00:03:09.120 to tales of the regime change. Iraq, the war that rewired the world. 0.86
00:03:19.480 In March of 2003, the United States launched one of the most consequential gambles in modern
00:03:25.560 history. Remove Saddam Hussein, remake Iraq, and reshape the entire Middle East in our image.
00:03:33.200 Washington believed that it was striking a blow against tyranny. Instead, it struck a match in a 0.68
00:03:39.740 room full of gasoline. Because the Iraq war wasn't just another intervention. It was a blueprint for
00:03:45.840 how intelligence, ideology, and hubris fused into a foreign policy revolution that detonated across
00:03:52.440 the world. And then first came the certainty. Sodom had weapons of mass destruction. Not maybe,
00:03:59.740 not probably, definitely. That confidence came from the same intelligence pipeline that had
00:04:05.620 spent a decade overestimating Soviet strength, underestimating Al-Qaeda, and misreading Afghanistan,
00:04:11.260 as we learned in that episode. But now, in the shadow of 9-11, no one wanted to question anything.
00:04:17.780 And then came Bush's great theory, the grand idea, remove a dictator and democracy will bloom.
00:04:23.540 Baghdad today, Damascus tomorrow, Tehran the day after, a wave of liberation radiating across the
00:04:30.920 region, a new Middle East built not only by its people, but by the design sheets of Washington
00:04:36.520 policymakers. But as we know, Iraq was not a blank canvas. It was a nation of rival sects,
00:04:45.220 tribes, militias, clans, and loyalties that went deeper than any constitution written in the green
00:04:50.700 zone. And the moment Saddam's regime fell, the moment the Ba'ath state dissolved, all of those
00:04:56.260 forces that Saddam Hussein had held in check erupted at once. Every neocon assumption collapsed.
00:05:03.780 Every projection failed. The war for Iraq wasn't fought in neat phrases. It was fought in the
00:05:09.060 streets, the mosques, the marketplaces, and the neighborhoods where neocon planners never bothered
00:05:14.340 to look. And out of that chaos came insurgency, sectarian war, al-Qaeda in Iraq, and eventually
00:05:20.460 the rise of something the world had never seen, the Islamic state, at least not seen in hundreds
00:05:25.440 of years. The Iraq war didn't just topple a dictator. It remapped alliances, rewired global
00:05:32.460 politics, destabilized entire regions, birthed movements that would shape the century. And at
00:05:38.260 every step, the same pattern emerged. An intervention sold by intelligence, powered by
00:05:44.140 neocon ideology and undone by unintended consequences. And folks, let's be serious.
00:05:53.020 America lost trillions in the Middle East, trillions of dollars, which devastated our
00:05:58.880 economy, which led Washington to turn to massive financial printing, which devastated
00:06:05.680 the average American, devastated the middle class, and not to mention the amount of blood
00:06:12.300 that we spent, that American boys who went over to die in the sand for a lie.
00:06:22.760 That's what we're talking about today. And you need to be dead serious because this is
00:06:28.780 dead serious. And there are people right now who want to do another one of these. They say,
00:06:34.700 let's go try it in Iran. It works so well in Iraq. Let's go try it somewhere else 0.98
00:06:39.540 because it works so well. Now, the same ideology that led to that war still exists today. And we
00:06:47.400 need to fight it with every breath that we have. And I know that I certainly will. Neocons haven't
00:06:53.600 left. You need to be America first. And these are the reasons why we are America first. This is 1.00
00:07:02.200 Iraq, the war that rewired the world. I'm Jack Posobiec. And today we are stepping into the war 0.54
00:07:08.840 that defined a generation and revealed just how far a superpower can fall
00:07:14.020 when it believes that reality itself will bend to its way.
00:07:23.760 Operation Iraqi Freedom, our effort to disarm Iraq and dismantle the Iraqi regime is fully underway.
00:07:33.560 But here's the twist.
00:07:35.940 Saddam Hussein wasn't always America's enemy.
00:07:38.840 In fact, at one point, the United States quietly supported him with money, intelligence, and political cover.
00:07:46.640 All right, folks, Jack Posovic, we're back. 0.72
00:07:49.280 Tales of regime change, the war that rewired the world, Iraq.
00:07:53.940 Now, many people ask, why was it that the United States chose to evade Iraq after 9-11? 0.82
00:08:00.900 Two years later, we see this invasion.
00:08:03.080 At the time, the Bush administration lied and said that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9-11, which wasn't true.
00:08:11.580 We also found that they said he was involved with weapons of mass destruction, also was not true.
00:08:17.260 And in fact, the United States had backed Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran in the 1980s.
00:08:24.660 We had been his ally.
00:08:26.260 But then along came something called the Kuwait War.
00:08:29.660 saddam goes in for the oil fields and the u.s launches the gulf war against him
00:08:35.820 he says whoa thought we were friends guess not but then something interesting happens
00:08:42.640 in the region in the united states and new leaders begin to emerge specifically after
00:08:51.980 america's victory in desert storm and people realized wait perhaps the u.s government can do
00:08:58.280 more in the Middle East, not just establish a permanent military blueprint or footprint in
00:09:04.620 the Persian Gulf, but a new doctrine. Some call it the project for the new American century.
00:09:13.900 But there was something that even came before that. In 1996, a policy memo was prepared for
00:09:21.940 incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And we've spoken about this on the show
00:09:26.540 previously. And this was written, interestingly, by a group of American neoconservative policy
00:09:33.260 advisors, several of which would later become central figures in the Bush administration and
00:09:38.220 associated with PNAC. That's that project for the new American century. And this was called
00:09:42.440 a clean break, a new strategy for securing the region. Here's what's interesting. The clean
00:09:48.880 break specifically called for the destabilization of what were labeled hostile regimes and called
00:09:57.660 for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. It called for the rollback of the government of
00:10:05.980 Syria, the rollback of Hezbollah, and then eventually the rollback of Iran, then to strengthen
00:10:14.060 ties with Turkey and Jordan to encircle Syria. They laid this out as a policy, a strong policy
00:10:22.960 for Israel in the Middle East. But then interestingly, many of those same advisors
00:10:29.440 began to apply this policy to the United States. And in the wake of 9-11, you see these policies
00:10:39.980 being enacted by the Bush administration.
00:10:45.420 And we're told that this was to defend America
00:10:51.680 in the wake of 9-11. 1.00
00:10:53.600 We must restabilize and reshape the entire Middle East. 0.98
00:10:56.880 But what's interesting is that they were saying it
00:10:58.440 even before 9-11, because in 1998,
00:11:01.660 they sent President Clinton a demand that said,
00:11:05.100 remove Saddam Hussein from power, not someday, now.
00:11:09.980 It's not fringe. These were people who were later at the top of the Pentagon, the top of the vice
00:11:14.420 president's office, and the National Security Council. So by the time Bush took office in 2001,
00:11:20.920 the blueprint for the Iraq war was already drawn. And of course, the first domino whose fall was
00:11:30.080 supposed to unleash a democratic wave from the Tigris to Tehran. And of course, that was the
00:11:37.500 theory. Joshua Lysak, I want to get you in on this. You've studied this stuff. You've looked
00:11:42.720 into it. This isn't conspiracy talk. This is actually how our government functioned in those
00:11:48.720 years, isn't it? That's correct. Yes. And there's a strange bit of slate of hand amongst the Bush
00:11:56.040 administration and its allies and advisors from 2001 to 2002, 2003, leading up to the invasion
00:12:03.020 of Iraq. And when we go and look at President George W. Bush's speeches, the policy,
00:12:09.660 the think tanks that were surrounding him, the context of Afghanistan was this is a once-off.
00:12:16.000 It is, in the context, it's going to be retribution for 9-11. There's not going to
00:12:23.160 be long-term regime change. And this was explicit policy. This was explicit speech material. We go
00:12:30.540 back and we look at 2001, 2002, and then suddenly we see a strange turn of events where his advisors
00:12:39.960 and then President George W. Bush himself begin talking almost out of nowhere about this axis of
00:12:46.980 evil. It's almost like marketing or advertising where, but wait, there's more. And the military
00:12:54.540 industrial complex that needed to be reapplied. It was too successful, too quick. Oh, but behind
00:13:01.620 Al-Qaeda, behind the Taliban, is a threat that's far worse than anything we've seen before.
00:13:08.660 Now, Clean Break advises Israel, Bibi Netanyahu specifically, Prime Minister at the time,
00:13:14.160 advises them to engage in preemptive policy. That's where we hit them so they can't hit us.
00:13:23.700 And that is the argument that was used by the Bush administration with this, actually, we're going to have way more 9-11s if we don't stop Saddam Hussein, because that was still part and parcel with the American patriotic experience, right? 0.77
00:13:40.000 we all got to come together and be patriotic citizens and oppose those who oppose us.
00:13:46.680 And that language began to emerge where we have to fight them over there so we don't fight them
00:13:52.580 over here again and have more of these terrorist intervention. And imagine just how awful it would
00:13:59.020 be. Go ahead, Jack. Oh, no, just again on that. Iraq did not attack the United States. And in
00:14:06.060 fact the people who were who were on those planes on 9-11 and we're not okay and so people understand
00:14:12.700 the for the scope of this project joshua and i are not discussing 9-11 itself um because we are
00:14:20.100 focused on regime changes the same way and on humans we were focused on people say when we
00:14:24.420 wrote on humans people were asking us why didn't you you know mention certain things and i said
00:14:28.220 well they were outside the scope of our project and we were focused on marxist revolutions
00:14:34.160 specifically at that time. There were other places where Marxists came to power and Marxist
00:14:38.200 regimes that just didn't follow the model that we were looking at. So, um, but what's interesting
00:14:43.420 is of course, 9-11, most of the hijackers were of course, from Saudi Arabia. They were not from
00:14:49.440 any of the countries that are labeled in this document. And that obviously is, yeah, an Egyptian,
00:14:57.580 right. And, uh, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a, was a Kuwaiti. So he was the planner and who was down
00:15:02.880 at uh i did not get the chance to meet him by the way um but uh for the record i could have if i
00:15:10.280 wanted to go to the uh his trials but i never um never did and i had work to do so the key here
00:15:19.460 right the key here that's very interesting i think for everyone is to understand that it's
00:15:24.200 very clear iraq did not attack the united states and for people who and the fact that i need to
00:15:31.320 say that, that I even need to pause and take this second to say it over and over just shows you how
00:15:37.580 propagandized this time was, because these lies still exist, even to this very day where people
00:15:45.400 will try to think, well, they were our enemy, they were our enemy. They didn't attack the United
00:15:50.060 States, we beat them in the Gulf War after we intervened on the side of Kuwait. Again, they also
00:15:55.620 did not attack the United States, they attacked Kuwait, which, again, a separate country. And
00:16:00.740 prior to that, we were the ones who had propped up Saddam Hussein, working with him in the Reagan
00:16:08.000 administration when he when Bush's vice president, propping him up as a bulwark against Iran. And
00:16:13.680 then suddenly you just have this total shift in policy on Saddam Hussein, where someone who
00:16:19.540 thought he was an ally of the US, someone who we had sold weapons to, then turns around and becomes 0.81
00:16:26.480 the the the enemy of all that is good we are told that he was gassing his people that they were
00:16:32.780 killing babies and incubators in kuwait and there's just all this war propaganda that gets 0.67
00:16:38.100 spread and then even up to 2003 where we're told oh he's a threat to the united states he's threats
00:16:42.920 united states they went to the united nation and joshua if you could just take two minutes we have
00:16:46.880 two minutes left in this talk about the power of propaganda and persuasion that was used to gin up
00:16:52.600 support for this war. And I can remember, you can remember, for folks who were too young to know
00:16:57.060 this, and it's true, there was a lot of support for this war early on. There was a lot. America
00:17:02.260 has been traumatized, and they abused it. Yes. This is where the George Soros versus George Bush
00:17:08.640 alignment on Afghanistan begins to diverge on Iraq, because George Soros did believe in turning
00:17:14.680 Iraq as a closed society into an open society, right, where you have these neoliberal values,
00:17:20.800 You have feminism, you have secular government, you have separation between church and state or mosque and state in this case.
00:17:27.660 And Soros seemed to resent the fact that George W. Bush's, let's say, coalition of regime change for Iraq was using neoconservatism rather than neoliberalism.
00:17:40.160 Whereas there was almost like this Christian, American, patriotic, flag-waving propaganda that Soros opposed to be used in Iraq.
00:17:51.240 And what's interesting is the commentary on the Clean Break report later appeared in the New York Times in 2003 around the time of the invasion.
00:18:02.700 And it was a description of the ideologues that were behind that report for Bibi Netanyahu that the best way to prevent conflict for Israel is to preemptively intervene in these other countries.
00:18:17.000 Those men behind that report, as you were saying, show up inside of the Bush administration.
00:18:22.580 And in this commentary, I'm reading from the New York Times 2003,
00:18:27.580 a peculiar alliance of evangelical Christians, foreign policy hardliners,
00:18:33.900 lobbyists for the Israeli government, and neoconservatives.
00:18:38.340 That's the supranationalist alliance where we began to see for the first time,
00:18:45.240 and I remember this in 2003
00:18:47.320 we saw evangelical Christians
00:18:49.500 across America put in their
00:18:51.660 front yard, what? The Israeli 1.00
00:18:53.800 flag. Flying the Israeli 0.87
00:18:55.740 flag and the American
00:18:57.580 flag. So there becomes this
00:18:59.420 moral, ethical, dare we say
00:19:01.520 even religious connotation
00:19:03.580 to the war. This is very interesting
00:19:05.360 this is very deep, but people need to understand
00:19:07.620 this is where the Iraq war came home
00:19:09.580 Right back, Dr. Soby, Joshua Lysa
00:19:15.240 My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages 0.88
00:19:23.160 of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from 0.91
00:19:29.300 grave danger. 0.89
00:19:30.480 All right, Jack Grosovic, we are back live.
00:19:32.700 Joshua Lysak, you were talking about, and we're hearing this episode of Tales of Regime
00:19:38.640 Change, Iraq, the war that rewired the world.
00:19:41.780 you were talking and really from personal experience about why there were certain
00:19:45.760 populations of the United States who fervently agreed with regime change in Iraq, the war in
00:19:53.880 Iraq, the same people who fervently believe, many of whom are Christian, fervently believe in regime
00:20:01.220 change in Iran today. They back these wars to the hilt. And it's really a question, right? 0.91
00:20:08.680 Why was the Bush administration, the second Bush administration, particularly run by George W. Bush, so fervently in a belief, and you mentioned there was a religious aspect to this, that we should have a war in Iraq.
00:20:26.980 A lot of people will say that, oh, it was just blood for oil, and that was Cheney and Halliburton, and other people would say, oh, it's because they went after George H.W. Bush, Saddam went after his father, so he wanted to get rid of him.
00:20:39.380 But perhaps you have another opinion, or at least another angle.
00:20:43.340 yes we said moments ago how this coalition of support had a cast of characters that included
00:20:50.980 a number of high profile prominent and powerful evangelical christians including those who worked
00:20:55.880 within the bush administration and set and advocated for the specific interventionist policy
00:21:01.560 this preemptive interventionist policy which goes back to 1996 and the clean break report
00:21:06.560 which says that again in order to have peace in the middle east we need to advocate for regime
00:21:12.760 change in these countries that are opposed to Israel. And there was an expression, three down,
00:21:18.360 two go, with reference to Syria and to Iran following the Lebanon war in 2006. That said,
00:21:27.700 remember Act I of regime change, as we saw in Afghanistan and we'll see in Syria. Act I of
00:21:33.880 regime change, the first stage is this demonization and preparation and ideological propaganda,
00:21:40.840 persuasion preparation, where you build the case for going in there and getting him out of there.
00:21:47.400 And of course, there are a number of lies about chemical weapons and weapons of mass destruction,
00:21:51.440 nuclear weapon, this enriched uranium from Africa, a hypothesis that was, of course,
00:21:57.020 debunked prior to the invasion of Iraq, we should add. But I happen to recall at this time
00:22:04.100 that my network, limited as it was as a youngster, it was representative of the national
00:22:11.180 evangelical support for the Bush administration invasion of Iraq, which, by the way, is what
00:22:16.640 George Soros opposed was the religiosity mixed with American patriotism, where we need to use
00:22:23.740 the full force of the United States military to engage in this righteous Christian war was how
00:22:29.820 it was positioned, which Soros opposed. He preferred the secular, neoliberal freedom,
00:22:36.440 democracy, feminism, women's rights, etc. version of regime change. But it ultimately leads to the
00:22:41.300 same thing, the toppling of Saddam, which Soros advocated for. But in the Bush movie,
00:22:46.500 an evangelical world, you had prominent Christian preachers, pastor, televangelists like John Hagee,
00:22:53.240 like Hal Lindsey, who are saying Iraq today is literally in Bible prophecy. You know where it
00:23:00.140 talks about Babylon in the Old Testament? That's literally Iraq today. So where it says that
00:23:06.620 there's going to be this end times conflict, this end of the world, Armageddon, we are right on the
00:23:11.960 eve of Armageddon. Let's go. When that happens, the rapture, which is an evangelical Christian
00:23:17.200 doctrine that's about 150 or so years old. When that happens, Jesus Christ is going to return to
00:23:24.240 earth, and there's going to be this third temple built, and there's this tribulation, this whole
00:23:28.720 world, this sort of a religious, theocratic, sci-fi situation from the left-behind novels,
00:23:36.000 which also were very popular at that time. And the film and a number of films inspired by that
00:23:42.340 also came out right around this time. Like there was one called, I think it was called The Omega
00:23:47.740 Code. And of course, there's Left Behind with Kirk Cameron. And I remember at the mega church I
00:23:53.340 attended with my family, the preacher on the eve of invasion gave a sermon entitled,
00:23:59.260 What Would Jesus Say to Saddam Hussein? But the idea was that for the first time,
00:24:06.420 christians so this i gotta say i'm just wait can i pop in because yes like this is me in in catholic
00:24:13.500 world right we didn't have any of that we have any and in fact the pope was against the war john
00:24:18.300 paul ii was still pope and i remember him speaking out against this and he said do not do this um i
00:24:24.060 remember vladimir putin coming out and saying do not do this you i don't know you do not know what
00:24:28.820 you will unleash and so you're saying that in in this world on your side of the house where you
00:24:33.840 you know, where you were at the time, that there was this fervent support for it.
00:24:38.000 Yes, that's right.
00:24:38.700 The evangelical Christians as a voting bloc has been historically one of, if not, the
00:24:43.680 most powerful special interest groups, I think you could refer it, within the electorate,
00:24:49.000 you know, kind of a religious community.
00:24:51.660 And that's why, of course, Donald J. Trump has done his best to persuade that community
00:24:56.400 to support him from the very beginning.
00:24:57.960 And now he has the faith council and Paula White, who's an evangelical Christian megachurch
00:25:03.160 televangelist. And at that time, it was believed widely, and many of your viewers will back me up
00:25:10.980 on this, and we'll see their comments and the replies, that the sense was, we can make the
00:25:16.660 rapture happen. We can make Jesus come back. That was the subtext of this, it's called eschatology,
00:25:24.140 where there's this idea that the United States can sort of engage in this Armageddon-like 0.68
00:25:29.680 crusade, and Russia's going to get involved on behalf of Iraq. That's what the Bible prophecy
00:25:36.080 of the cities of Gog and Magog are about. And this is what demagogues have done over the years
00:25:43.180 within evangelical Christianity who come in to do a little grifting, is they'll say, look, the time
00:25:48.980 we are living in is literally written here in the Bible. Here's what happens next. Hal Lindsay,
00:25:55.100 of course, claimed that the rapture was going to happen prior to the year 1989. Did not happen.
00:26:00.580 I remember Y2K was seen as the time at which the rapture was going to occur. We were all ready for
00:26:07.600 that. We were ready for Jesus to come back. Everyone was getting their wills written up so
00:26:11.940 that all of their possessions would be given to their non-Christian family members. This was an 1.00
00:26:17.000 entire movement in a mood. And because evangelical Christianity was adhered to this rapture version
00:26:23.560 of it at all levels of society, including in the government. There was this sort of alignment of
00:26:30.180 pro-regime change individuals. Again, evangelical Christians, those who are lobbyists for the
00:26:37.020 Israeli government, who are aligned with Clean Break. And of course, you had the neoliberal
00:26:43.020 and neoconservative regime changists. And it's something that I will never
00:26:52.600 quite personally understand, because Catholics, we don't have that theology, but this belief
00:26:58.100 that invading Iraq would somehow hasten the return of Jesus Christ to the world is something 0.99
00:27:08.220 that, quite rightly, I just don't think it should be running our foreign policy. 1.00
00:27:12.720 Right back to episode of National History. 0.91
00:27:14.220 Another grim milestone has been reached in Iraq.
00:27:20.860 Five years after the war began, the American death toll has reached at least 4,000.
00:27:26.940 The military says the latest deaths occurred Sunday.
00:27:30.540 A roadside bomb killed four U.S. soldiers in southern Baghdad,
00:27:34.760 and rockets and mortars pounded the heavily fortified Green Zone.
00:27:38.880 All right, Jack, we're back with Joshua Lysak.
00:27:41.140 And Joshua, one of the things that I wanted to get into in this is that we don't see the
00:27:48.220 return of Jesus coming from these wars in the Middle East.
00:27:51.520 But what do we actually see that's happening?
00:27:54.060 We lose tons of money.
00:27:55.640 We lose tons of Americans.
00:27:58.180 And ultimately, very strange things seem to happen, at least strange from perhaps our
00:28:03.380 perspective.
00:28:05.120 Christian communities throughout these regions, whether it be Iraq, whether it be Afghanistan,
00:28:11.140 whether it be Syria or anywhere else, they get decimated. They get wiped out. And we sit there
00:28:18.200 and we say, oh gosh, what about the Christians who are being persecuted? Oh gosh. And we never
00:28:23.380 turn around and point the finger at ourselves and say, wait a minute, what if the forces that
00:28:28.420 are conducting the persecution of Christians in these regions are the same forces that we've
00:28:34.480 unleashed or that we've enabled to be able to do so because of our own insane actions. 0.84
00:28:43.100 Because that's what I think has been going on in the Middle East since 2001, et cetera, 1.00
00:28:49.040 when it comes to these Christian communities. And I sit there and I talk about it and I go on
00:28:53.020 this show and I go on others and nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody wants to talk about
00:28:57.360 how these wars always seem to lead to more dead Christians. 100%. Yes. What I would like to say 0.96
00:29:06.200 to the evangelical Christian community is that the Israel of the Bible is not the modern state
00:29:14.160 of Israel secular liberal organization founded in the year 1948. Different people, different place,
00:29:21.200 different times, different world. And what is in Israel's economic interest or their foreign 0.77
00:29:26.820 policy interest, is not necessarily in the best interest of Christians in Iraq and in Syria.
00:29:35.080 Let us recall the three stages of a regime change, right? Stage one is this demonization,
00:29:40.280 this hardcore persuasion campaign to build this coalition of moral support against your target.
00:29:47.440 That's act one. Act two, or stage two, is the unleashing of your intervention operation,
00:29:54.420 where you overthrow, you execute, you get rid of the guy, we've got to go in there and take him out.
00:30:01.060 That was what was believed by myriad households, both Republican and Democrat, in 2003 regarding Saddam Hussein.
00:30:09.380 There was bipartisan support.
00:30:10.760 Usually bipartisan is code for, oh, this is bad.
00:30:13.900 There was bipartisan support for Obamacare a few years later.
00:30:17.720 But it's in Act 3 that regime changes are completely and totally botched.
00:30:24.000 I was reading a report by George Soros in which, 2003, he suggested that it would take
00:30:28.800 the United Nations one or two years to stabilize Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
00:30:36.980 So this is not a neoconservative evangelical issue.
00:30:40.680 This is, we can go into these countries who do not share our culture, our stories, our
00:30:45.840 values, and we can make them like us in one or two years.
00:30:50.700 We just have to give them hospitals.
00:30:52.340 We have to give them roads and some schools.
00:30:55.860 Act III is the aftermath and the idea where you can simply consolidate power, install your person, and everything will be stable.
00:31:03.280 Well, what happened?
00:31:04.420 We saw the rise of, first of all, the insurgency that resulted following the Mission Accomplished banner of George W. Bush there.
00:31:15.140 We had the insurgency.
00:31:16.260 We had the vying for power.
00:31:17.540 there were odd scenarios where the Iraqi soldiers trained by Americans were siding with their own
00:31:24.700 people against the Americans. There was friendly fire. There was leaking of classified information,
00:31:31.420 battle plans to the insurgents. There was, of course, ISIS, right, in both Syria and Iraq.
00:31:37.740 And what do those radicals do en masse? They rounded up and they executed Christians wherever
00:31:44.640 they go. And there is a direct consequence in the line of dominoes from this idea that we need to 0.90
00:31:53.060 go into the Middle East for religious reasons to religious brothers and sisters of that religion 0.76
00:31:59.540 being murdered in mass. Men, women, children, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. So if you're 0.63
00:32:07.400 a Christian, war in the Middle East is the very last thing that you should want to happen to the
00:32:12.880 church and this this is key folks because what do we see the sectarian violence we saw iran by the
00:32:23.200 way became emboldened right so you know even if you're someone if you're someone who's worried
00:32:28.620 about iran and worried about stabilization of the region well remember we talked about earlier in
00:32:37.280 episode that Saddam was the U.S. bulwark against Iran originally. And so guess what? In fact,
00:32:45.560 all those years he had still been operating as that bulwark against Iran. It turns out that 0.98
00:32:51.080 actually that policy was quite useful that you prop up one of these guys and know they are not
00:32:56.060 a Jeffersonian Democrat. But guess what? They're a strong man or, you know, as I like to call it,
00:33:01.580 a zookeeper, you know, because when an area is a zoo, you need a zookeeper. And when the zookeeper
00:33:07.220 gets removed, guess what happens? All the animals get loose. And that's exactly what we will see
00:33:12.940 happens across the Middle East in every single one of these instances, whether it be, whether
00:33:19.480 it be Afghanistan, whether it be Iraq, whether it be Libya, whether it be Syria, etc. It continues
00:33:25.880 and it always plays out the same way. This is what they do. And so no, you can't just impose
00:33:32.720 your beliefs on these areas. They don't operate based on your schedule. And Vladimir Putin,
00:33:40.760 the president of Russia, of all people, when he came out against this war, the Iraq war originally,
00:33:45.700 he said, what you unleash will be a hundred times worse than what is already there.
00:33:53.600 And what was unleashed ultimately, Al Qaeda in Iraq, which later became ISIS, which later became
00:34:01.400 the Islamic State. And when Joshua, when you and I talked about Afghanistan, we talked about how
00:34:06.460 the U.S. backed the Mujahideen and that the Mujahideen led to the rise of the Taliban and
00:34:12.780 Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda, which then later attacked the United States. And so again, we have these
00:34:19.240 situations, right? We have these situations where we need to understand that the law of
00:34:28.080 unintended consequences will always win. You don't just get what you want out of life. That's not the
00:34:34.760 way that it works. You need to be very careful. And for any of those people who think that I'm
00:34:40.400 just going to say it, right? I'm just going to say it. I am talking about the people who are calling
00:34:43.720 for more war in Iran. I am talking about the people who are calling for regime change in Iran
00:34:48.340 and say, oh, those mullahs, they're so bad and we got to get rid of them and just look at the bad 0.89
00:34:52.860 things they do. We don't like them and they don't believe the same things we do. Okay, got it, 1.00
00:34:56.840 right? Got it. Understood. Totally. But what happens next? And that is the question that
00:35:04.500 they never seem to answer. Is it, Joshua? No. And there's this idea that it is both
00:35:12.500 a secular utopian and also religious utopian. In this case, it's the kingdom of heaven coming
00:35:18.580 to earth, right? It's sort of the George Soros evangelical alternative, right, where the kingdom
00:35:25.120 of God is on earth.
00:35:26.940 We need to take the secular version of that.
00:35:28.980 Both of those advocate for regime change.
00:35:31.800 And if I'm going to give a quick tip to evangelicals, Christians who do believe in an interventionist
00:35:38.100 foreign policy, who I was speaking at a Republican event recently, and I fielded a question in
00:35:45.800 which someone was claiming that, you know, J.D.
00:35:48.800 Vance, our vice president, is signaling isolationist foreign policy.
00:35:53.580 And I was thinking to myself, what?
00:35:57.720 And how we need to oppose that in a strong America is an America that's involved.
00:36:02.140 It's a sort of Team America, world police shenanigan situation. 0.84
00:36:07.400 With a quick tip I would give you, go to Instagram, follow the account Eastern Christians.
00:36:13.520 These are the Lebanese Christians, the Syrian Christians, the Iraqi Christians, the Jordanian Christians,
00:36:19.040 the Palestinian Christians who are caught in the crossfire between and among American,
00:36:25.920 Israeli, and the insurgencies, the militias, and the armies that they're battling. And you don't 0.91
00:36:31.500 need to see but one or two videos of churches wiped out by Western munitions before you think
00:36:41.760 to yourself, maybe we shouldn't be the police. Maybe we shouldn't be following Operation Clean
00:36:48.720 break here. Maybe my allies are my brothers and sisters in Christ. It may not be the secular
00:36:55.380 government of Israel here. And that's a difficult situation to be in, but I believe that if you
00:37:01.580 spend some time on the Eastern Christian accounts on Instagram, you will see the people who are
00:37:06.940 being threatened by Western interventionist, American interventionist, and Israeli interventionist
00:37:13.060 foreign policy. These are the people who are at risk of death. Eastern Christians on Instagram.
00:37:18.720 You know, it's funny because I was actually on I was on Twitter.
00:37:22.100 I believe they have a couple of Twitter accounts that are that are involved in this as well that I was tracking.
00:37:27.780 And you can see it. And by the way, we're not just seeing that Christian persecution in the Middle East, boys and girls.
00:37:32.340 Oh, no. We see it across Europe at the hands of who?
00:37:35.740 Muslim migrants, which are also unleashed by these wars coming soon to European capital. 1.00
00:37:44.900 Right back.
00:37:45.780 Jack Posobiec, Joshua Larson.
00:37:50.200 Moments ago, the ceremony to mark the end of the Iraq war wrapped up.
00:37:54.840 All U.S. troops are to be out of the rock by December 31st.
00:37:59.480 Though President Barack Obama has pledged the U.S. will continue civilian assistance for Iraq as it faces an uncertain future.
00:38:07.840 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back here.
00:38:10.640 Human Events Daily.
00:38:11.680 tales of regime change. Iraq, the war that rewired the world. And to be clear, this is
00:38:19.780 the reason that the world is the way it is. America poured trillions into Iraq. America 0.75
00:38:25.200 shattered their own myth of liberal hegemony. And in fact, ironically, it was the Iraq war 0.61
00:38:34.640 and the broader war on terror that destroyed America's position, its pole position as the 0.59
00:38:40.860 only superpower in the world. This is what caused America to overstretch. It caused the American
00:38:48.580 empire, as it were, to be poured out into the sands of places thousands of miles away from
00:38:54.680 America's shores. And it is what ended this system, which had existed since the end of World
00:39:03.220 War II, really, since 1945, this system of one sort of order in the world has now led to
00:39:11.380 multipolarity. It was Iraq. It all goes back to that. And it also has to be said, because 0.96
00:39:18.080 we haven't, and particularly more so with Syria, but Iraq is what began the migrant crisis.
00:39:24.120 That's when we started originally to see these migrants flooding out from Middle East and into
00:39:31.860 our lands, into European lands, into Christendom. Now, the attacks on Christians, the rapes of our 0.59
00:39:41.680 daughters, the burning of our churches is all done in this clash of civilizations, which continues 0.93
00:39:49.240 to this day. And so for me, my sense of this, my conclusion on this is when you look at the Iraq 0.94
00:39:56.300 war. It's not enough to just say, we're not going to do it again. It's not enough because we said 0.89
00:40:02.880 that about Vietnam. You have to understand the motivations that drove it and extended it
00:40:10.520 to understand and unpack that which you will face in another scenario, perhaps involving Iran
00:40:20.180 or any number of these countries. You can insert whichever one you want, Venezuela, etc.
00:40:28.060 These do not work. And the lies that you are told early on about how great things will be
00:40:35.660 once we topple the dictator or topple the moa are always just that. They are lies. They are wrong. 0.94
00:40:42.720 And the people saying them seldom actually have that as their true motivation. Joshua Lysick.
00:40:50.180 Yes. And as long as we can take away the religious undertones and overtones of regime change,
00:40:58.900 we can see these for what they really are. They are supranationalist, interventionist
00:41:05.160 shenanigans, frankly, that never go the way that they're promised. We talked before about the three
00:41:12.440 acts of regime change. And that third one, the aftermath and consolidation, where you install
00:41:18.980 and you're a friendly regime, a new one,
00:41:22.280 and you build up this wonderful infrastructure
00:41:24.040 and you stabilize the situation,
00:41:26.480 both the neoliberal supranationalists like George Soros
00:41:30.860 and the neoconservative supranationalists
00:41:33.560 like those who ran policy for the Bush administration,
00:41:37.400 both of those expectations fall flat.
00:41:40.480 This mission accomplished in 2003 is as absurd as Soros' idea
00:41:46.080 that the United Nations can stabilize and create a prosperous, free, democratic, and dare I say
00:41:51.700 feminist society in an Islamic country, 99.99% in one or two years. They're just not based on 0.95
00:41:59.840 reality. And so in the future, as we look at any other regime change, we need to be careful,
00:42:06.280 as George Washington, our first president in his farewell address, advised us to beware of certain
00:42:12.080 foreign entanglements. Something that is in the best interest of, let's say, even a friendly ally
00:42:18.420 like Israel may not be in the best interest of the United States or of those who are Christian
00:42:24.040 brothers and sisters in these countries, Iran or elsewhere. Something else that Data Republican 0.51
00:42:30.200 and I began to uncover in the research on our upcoming book is the idea that George Bush,
00:42:37.240 President George W. Bush advocated for, that we fight them over there so we don't fight them over
00:42:42.480 here, how that simply fell flat because the fighting over there never actually ended. And
00:42:51.220 we have this open loop from 2001, 2003, 7, 9, 15, 21, and beyond, where the aftermath and
00:43:03.440 consolidation stage of regime change has remained open because you can't open up a society that is
00:43:11.060 not capable of being opened up, to use George Soros language. So what's been done instead,
00:43:17.340 what we've seen the data Republican calls it the administrative NGO complex that use both
00:43:24.720 Republican and Democratic aligned institutions, religious charities, whether it's Catholic
00:43:30.460 charities or the Lutheran or Jewish alternative charities that they have set up, instead of
00:43:35.780 fighting them over there so we don't fight them over here, the idea now becomes, beginning in 0.64
00:43:40.980 about 2015, realizing the war on terror globally did not go as planned, stage three failed of
00:43:47.600 regime change, let's bring them from there to over here. We can democratize them and indoctrinate
00:43:55.320 them with neoliberal and neoconservative values. We can make them good little citizens of the world
00:44:00.040 who believe in democracy, freedom, and George Washington.
00:44:03.060 And then because of the money they're sending back, the remittances, 0.61
00:44:06.480 because of the H-1B labor that's coming from those countries,
00:44:10.840 because of this cross-cultural exchange,
00:44:13.320 we can influence those governments and those families and those groups back home
00:44:17.720 by bringing them over here.
00:44:20.080 Yet another neoliberal and neoconservative disaster,
00:44:23.640 which, again, both Republicans and Democrats have historically supported
00:44:27.460 over the last decade.
00:44:29.000 And into that, I guess you could say, weak glass frame ideology comes the wrecking ball of nationalist populism under President Donald J. Trump and through powerful influencers and super connectors like Charlie Kirk.
00:44:47.380 And so those individuals from both sides' establishment become enemies of this supranationalist utopian idea where everyone can get along, all people are basically the same. 0.85
00:45:01.060 On the right, we jokingly call it magic dirt theory, where you can bring a Haitian, plant them in my sister town next door to me, Springfield, Ohio, and they immediately become just like everyone else.
00:45:11.840 if not better, as some have said in the past that immigrants are superior to citizens because we're 0.85
00:45:18.920 lazy, as certain mistakes of Christmas break have been known to report. That said, as we look
00:45:26.080 towards regime change, we have to understand that it doesn't work that way. Not all peoples and
00:45:31.880 cultures are literally the same. That's a both neoliberal and neoconservative overextension
00:45:38.360 of Thomas Jefferson's words that all men are created equal. That does not mean that all men
00:45:44.080 are created literally equally the same and are therefore interchangeable. That's what
00:45:48.580 neoconservative, neoliberal ideology is founded on. What that means is having equal dignity in
00:45:55.420 the eyes of God. There's a verse in Galatians, I believe, in which the Apostle St. Paul says that
00:46:01.160 there is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male or female, but all are one in Christ.
00:46:06.080 That is to say, from that perspective, all human beings have an inherent dignity as creations of God.
00:46:14.440 To overextend that idea ironically violates separation of church and state.
00:46:23.600 It is a Christian doctrine that has legs through neoliberal secular enlightenmentism.
00:46:29.000 This is why we understand that the sort of secular liberal perspective is like a riff on Christianity and Christian values, where equality in terms of dignity becomes equality of everything else.
00:46:44.180 Well, Joshua, we're getting into another subject there, but that's similar to that term I introduced recently on the show, ex-evangelicals, where they're taking the Christian superstructure and then applying that to progressivism.
00:47:01.540 folks this has been tales of regime change iraq the war that rewired the world understand why
00:47:13.220 this happened and understand why it can happen again ladies and gentlemen as always you have
00:47:19.600 with my permission to lay ashore.