Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 31, 2025


Tales of Regime Change： Ukraine — Shadows of Ukraine


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A comedian with no political experience has won the first round of Ukraine s presidential election, putting the country on the brink of a possible second presidential runoff in three weeks. This is what happens when the Fourth Turning meets 5th Generation Warfare.

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:37.000 A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:47.000 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:50.000 Christ is king.
00:00:52.000 More than 200,000 protesters gathered in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv today, furious over the government's refusal to sign a trade agreement with the European Union.
00:01:01.980 Police use tear gas and clubs to beat back demonstrators who surrounded President Viktor Yanukovych's office.
00:01:08.120 They are demanding his resignation, saying the government is corrupt and too tied to Russia.
00:01:13.260 The United States stands with you in your search for justice, for human dignity, for security, for economic health, and for the European future that you have chosen and that you deserve.
00:01:29.180 After those deadly protests, the government firing back, the president tonight is in hiding, and just look at the images coming in now.
00:01:35.320 Families wandering the grounds of his luxury home outside the capital today, taking turns playing on his private golf course, helping themselves to his golf clubs.
00:01:43.260 And now the former prime minister is now freed from prison where the president had put her, reaching out to her supporters right there.
00:01:49.940 Ukraine's billionaire presidential candidate Petro Poroshenko has declared victory.
00:01:55.320 An exit poll suggests he got enough votes to avoid a potentially divisive runoff.
00:02:01.140 A comedian with no political experience has won the first round of Ukraine's presidential elections.
00:02:06.840 Vladimir Zelensky came in comfortably ahead of the incumbent Petro Poroshenko.
00:02:11.920 They'll face a runoff vote in three weeks.
00:02:14.700 Volodymyr Zelenskyy's win is a political game changer.
00:02:18.460 And at this Kiev park today,
00:02:19.840 Ukrainians were talking about what the new president's first moves might be.
00:02:25.100 The good thing about Zelenskyy is that he attracted young people, says this man.
00:02:29.200 Before that, it was just the old guard.
00:02:31.300 And now there's no going back.
00:02:33.460 It's a nice opportunity to change everything
00:02:36.500 and maybe it's something in our country.
00:02:40.000 i agree with this position but even as an astounding 73 percent of voters put their
00:02:46.800 faith in the political rookie his plans for ukraine remain unclear zelinski's only political
00:02:53.120 experience is playing ukraine's president on television ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard
00:02:58.960 for today's edition of Tales of Regime Change, Shadows Over Ukraine.
00:03:09.960 And folks, I've been saying this for years now, but it's clearer than ever.
00:03:14.240 The war in Ukraine isn't what the mainstream media and neocons keep shoving down our throats.
00:03:20.940 Now, we know that this was a classic U.S. regime change operation that went horribly wrong.
00:03:28.960 It backfired spectacularly. And now we're all paying the price with endless billions of dollars.
00:03:36.000 The risk of nuclear escalation. You've got the people, the good people of Ukraine caught in the crossfire.
00:03:43.980 They don't deserve this. And you've got millions upon millions of people dead.
00:03:50.540 And you look at the catastrophe that goes on in there and our own diplomats, our own leaders, they knew about this.
00:03:57.520 They knew what would happen. This didn't start in 2022. It goes back decades. Right after the
00:04:04.280 Soviet Union collapsed, we had a chance for peace. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, they were ready to partner
00:04:10.520 with the West. But what did the U.S. do? Well, they broke every promise. James Baker, Bush senior's
00:04:15.340 secretary of state, told Gorbachev flat out that NATO won't move one inch eastward if you let
00:04:20.840 Germany reunify. That was the deal. But then Clinton came in and boom, NATO expanded. You got
00:04:27.260 Hungary, you got the Baltics, you got all the way up. And all the while, Russia was warning again
00:04:32.480 and again, red line, red line, red line. George Kennan, the architect, the literal architect of
00:04:37.040 containment theory, called it a fateful error to push NATO all the way up to Russia's borders.
00:04:42.280 Even Bill Burns, who was just CIA director under Biden, wrote in 2008 that pushing NATO into
00:04:48.920 Ukraine would cross Russia's deepest red line, provoke a crisis and even a war over Crimea.
00:04:55.200 That might be Bill Burns calling me right now.
00:04:59.320 But the neocons, the regime changers in Washington, they didn't care.
00:05:02.960 They saw Russia weak and they thought, let's encircle them.
00:05:06.320 Let's install puppets on their border.
00:05:08.680 Well, fast forward to 2014, the Maidan protests.
00:05:13.120 And look, we know that protests happen.
00:05:15.560 But what did our State Department, what did Victoria Nuland do? 1.00
00:05:18.900 Handing out her cookies, literally funding millions through the NGOs to fuel the uprising.
00:05:24.440 against the elected president Yanukovych, who we know at the time was considered pro-Russian,
00:05:30.800 but he was democratically chosen by the people of Ukraine. The United States backed the overthrow.
00:05:39.580 This was the Obama government. This was Hillary and her people when they were there installing
00:05:44.920 this, pushing this, Victoria Nuland. And then a new pro-Western government was installed with 0.99
00:05:52.500 no election whatsoever. And suddenly Ukraine is talking NATO membership. So what did Russia look
00:05:59.100 at? They saw an existential threat, American missiles, minutes from Moscow, a hostile regime 0.91
00:06:06.540 in Kiev funded by the United States. That's the regime change part. The United States and the West
00:06:13.000 wanted to flip Ukraine, pull it into our orbit, weaken Russia permanently. But the people of
00:06:20.980 Ukraine didn't vote the right way. So we backed an overthrow of a president. Well, it turns out
00:06:27.180 it went wrong. Russia didn't just roll over. What did they do? They went right back into Crimea, 0.71
00:06:34.160 where their Black Sea fleet is based. They would never have given that up. They worked with groups
00:06:39.720 in the Donbass. And then after years of ignored warnings, Minsk agreements sabotaged, shelling in
00:06:46.260 the east russia invaded in 2022 and now it's a meat grinder hundreds of thousands of dead
00:06:52.420 millions dead trillions wasted europe decentralized without russian gas and we are closer to world war
00:06:59.220 three than ever this was bipartisan democrats republicans prolonged the slaughter it was not
00:07:06.200 inevitable but folks perhaps there was a way to end the bleeding and stop poking the bear
00:07:15.060 We'll see what happens.
00:07:16.900 Jack Kosovic, coming up more, Human Events Daily.
00:07:22.580 Top story.
00:07:23.580 Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev has been removed from power and there are tanks now
00:07:28.780 in the streets of Moscow.
00:07:30.740 Vice President Gennady Yanayev says he has taken over as acting president as the head
00:07:35.720 of state of a special state committee.
00:07:37.560 All right, Jack Kosovic, we're back here.
00:07:40.000 events, special tales of regime change, shadow over Ukraine. And to really understand how the
00:07:50.940 Ukraine war began, you have to go all the way back to the end of the Cold War and the way that
00:07:58.140 US policy towards Russia changed. If you remember, see, I can remember this. I'm old enough certainly
00:08:05.780 to have remembered the fall of the wall. I remember the fall of the Soviet Union. I can even remember 0.63
00:08:10.880 when the Soviet Union was the government of Russia. And one thing that we were told early on
00:08:17.360 was that this meant peace. This meant friendship with the Russian people. This meant that we would
00:08:21.900 be able to work potentially with Russia as a partner country on various issues, policing,
00:08:28.560 international criminals, international trafficking organizations, international terrorism,
00:08:33.280 all of these transnational threats and that the United States essentially had become the new
00:08:38.800 superpower and that we really were going to get what was called the peace dividend. And Clinton
00:08:42.980 talked about this for years. But then something else happened in the 90s. And what did the U.S.
00:08:47.920 do in terms of foreign policy? Well, the Clintons, and again, this goes, this is why it all revolves
00:08:54.000 around them and really the forces that that propped them up in government, specifically Hillary,
00:09:00.980 that they broke the deal by expanding NATO forward, and they pushed so that every vestige
00:09:09.360 of any type of Russian relationship had to be removed from all of Europe, or at least all of
00:09:17.380 Western Europe. And in doing so, they also pushed what they called shock therapy economics inside 0.86
00:09:25.460 of Russia. And this was when the Clintons actually went and interfered directly in Russian
00:09:31.300 presidential elections. When they were attempting to institute democracy, it was the Clintons who
00:09:37.980 went in. And so you see this move of the Clintons working with various of these new oligarchs that
00:09:45.600 sprung up throughout Russia to loot the place. They were just looting everything they could
00:09:50.400 from Russia, from the Soviet Union, from these industries, and using it to enrich themselves.
00:09:56.820 You saw this later with the Clinton Foundation. And then what did they also do? The same thing to
00:10:00.780 any Russian area of part of Europe. So Yugoslavia, the Balkans, et cetera. And any time that anyone
00:10:09.340 didn't want to go along with this, whether it be the Serbians or otherwise, what do they use? 0.67
00:10:14.420 They used the power of NATO and NATO's military to go in and show that they meant business. 0.59
00:10:20.820 Someone who knows all about this all too well is, of course, Mike Benz from the Foundation of Freedom Online,
00:10:28.340 though I'm told he also wears another hat these days.
00:10:31.780 Interestingly, Mike Benz joins the program just again.
00:10:34.740 How are you, Mike?
00:10:35.840 Hey, great to see you, Jack.
00:10:38.080 Good to see you as well.
00:10:39.040 So we're doing these tales of regime change and we're walking through, you know, why it was, at least in this first part, that the U.S. was so focused on Russia.
00:10:48.760 And I guess my point is it wasn't the U.S. in, you know, in the wake of the Cold War.
00:10:52.640 It was the Clintons and it was NATO and the idea that NATO would actually become this new sort of international force for Brussels, for this globalism, which is the system of globalism is what we're talking about.
00:11:08.020 They didn't have the name for it back then. And that NATO would become essentially the military force in any country that didn't want to go along with this, like the Balkans or Yugoslavia, was basically smashed, was smashed under NATO force and was told that they had to go along with this.
00:11:22.860 Now, people might say I'm crazy, but Mike, does this follow with what we see in terms of history?
00:11:27.920 Actually, it's exactly what George Soros wrote in a book called The Future of NATO in 1995,
00:11:36.540 as exactly what NATO's role in the world should be, as the institutional force that would be capable of effectively dominating the 21st century
00:11:51.780 and serving to essentially route out political opposition inside of post-Soviet Europe.
00:12:02.380 This is written about, if you go to some of my, I think there's videos on my X timeline breaking it down,
00:12:09.840 but if anyone just goes and looks up George Soros' The Future of NATO,
00:12:13.980 I believe it was 1995 that he wrote that, it may have been 93, but I think it was 95.
00:12:18.720 Well, and Benz, we should even say, and I'm remiss for not even saying it at first, that it's out of this sort of post-communist soup, this milieu, this is where Soros comes from.
00:12:30.060 This is where Soros gets his power in this—and Soros becomes probably the first oligarch that the Clintons begin to work with.
00:12:39.120 There's others, Viktor Pinchuk and a variety of others, but he arises out of Hungary, and he says, I'm going to work with the West.
00:12:45.780 I'm going to work with the Clintons to create a new system.
00:12:50.380 This is where George Soros originally got his power from.
00:12:54.740 And so to understand Soros the way we talk about him today, you've got to go all the
00:12:58.300 way back to the start.
00:12:59.560 And that was the fall of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Iron Curtain and people like
00:13:04.940 Soros and the Clintons who saw it as a way to ride themselves to riches and power.
00:13:10.280 In fact, there's a great clip.
00:13:12.060 I have it on my X timeline, but it's George Soros openly bragging that the Soros Empire was built out of the ashes of the Soviet Empire and that as the Soviet Empire receded, the Soros Empire picked up the pieces was his phrase. 0.99
00:13:31.040 And this is quite literally true. The assets of the Soviet government and the European governments that were under Soviet effective vassalage were quite literally sold off to the George Soros Management Fund.
00:13:49.480 This happened inside of Russia. It happened in Ukraine. This was done in tandem with USAID
00:13:57.800 in the United States, as well as institutions like the Harvard Institute for International
00:14:02.520 Development. But it was the George Soros Open Society Foundation that played a key role in
00:14:10.680 actually breaking up the Soviet Union inside of Hungary, inside of Poland, inside of Romania.
00:14:19.480 And this was done in tandem with the U.S. government, with the National Endowment for Democracy, with USAID, with the U.S. embassies in the region.
00:14:29.160 The same way that in the United States, Soros incubates these student groups and young people and unemployed people and criminals.
00:14:38.600 The same was done in the 1980s, and you can argue that it had a positive result on the world in that case.
00:14:50.080 Whatever your view on the morality of the tactics used was, there was brutal Soviet domination in those countries.
00:14:58.500 But the fact is, what ended up happening was power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
00:15:05.700 And Soros absolutely corrupted these countries, and we are now living in the aftermath of it as these rule of law programs were set up.
00:15:13.020 And let me just point this out, too, because there's a lot of people that I see when they encounter some of these histories, they'll say, wait a minute, so Soros was a good guy at first, et cetera.
00:15:23.200 Well, it's almost like saying that you have communism, but then you also have globalism, and neither of them are actually producing freedom.
00:15:33.060 And they are not open societies, as George Soros calls them.
00:15:37.980 They are, in fact, a different form of totalitarianism.
00:15:41.920 It is shadow totalitarianism.
00:15:43.980 It is shadow communism that is put under the guise of globalism and the guise of the World Economic Forum.
00:15:50.320 And they create all these supranational institutions and organizations to be able to claim that this is the new freedom.
00:15:57.760 But we know, we know from the fruits of it that it is not freedom.
00:16:01.660 So just because you were against the Soviet Union doesn't mean you're not peddling a new form of communism.
00:16:07.020 It's almost like, you know, it's almost like the difference between the communism and the democratic socialism, if you will.
00:16:12.980 Right. No, that's exactly true. There's nothing open about the open society concept.
00:16:19.280 When you dissent, look how fast the system snaps shut around you.
00:16:23.840 Just today, as we're recording this, it was announced that multiple journalists inside the European Union have been sanctioned for merely suggesting that Russia was going to win the war.
00:16:38.700 These are journalists for simply having an opinion about the war.
00:16:42.800 There's nothing open about the open society.
00:16:45.400 It just means open to our control.
00:16:48.000 The moment that control is threatened, watch how quickly the open society closes around you.
00:16:57.020 But the fact is, is that that was a pretext.
00:17:00.840 It was a ruse.
00:17:02.600 It was so to open it up to our influence and to our markets and to our control doesn't mean they want it genuinely open.
00:17:11.700 It means open to us.
00:17:12.840 Now, and Ukraine was the crown jewel of these maneuvers because Ukraine has $14 trillion worth of natural resources.
00:17:23.580 It is the gateway between East and West.
00:17:26.040 It is the main point of transit for gas, natural gas's entry into Europe.
00:17:32.380 It has unbelievable quantities of wheat and agriculture and arable land.
00:17:38.320 It has the third largest petroleum reserves in all of Europe.
00:17:45.180 It is just an incredible bounty, as well as hosting the only warm water port to Russia through the Black Sea and Crimea.
00:17:55.120 So tactically, if you want to control Russia, having control over Ukraine gets you there.
00:18:01.380 That's in Russia, $75 trillion worth of natural resources.
00:18:04.900 And for a brief time, the United States foreign policy establishment had a kind of vassal state control over Russia in the early to mid 1990s at the same time that Ukraine was having its so-called opening.
00:18:20.180 Now, there were two color revolutions that were done to Ukraine, first in 2004 through the Orange Revolution, and then again in 2014 through the Euromaidan Square Revolution, which is now being rebranded as the so-called Revolution of Dignity.
00:18:37.860 But if you go to BBC News and you look at the before and after pictures of the Euromaidan square,
00:18:47.240 I think nothing quite shows in such vivid colors as the before and after pictures
00:18:53.800 of what the square around the parliament building of Ukraine looked like
00:18:58.300 before and after the George Floyd-style protests that were galvanized by John McCain
00:19:05.240 and by Mike Mike we're coming up on a quick break but that's exactly where we're going to go in the
00:19:10.760 very next segment Jack Posobiec Mike Benz the shadow over Ukraine tales of regime change
00:19:17.940 in the very early morning unidentified shooters opened fire on the protesters
00:19:24.360 and on law enforcement tensions were very high and both sides were furious
00:19:30.700 All right, Jack Soker back with Mike Benz, shadow over Ukraine, tales of regime change.
00:19:37.640 Benz, talk to me about the Maidan revolution.
00:19:41.460 There's a lot of people who have heard about this.
00:19:43.600 There's a lot of people who have, you know, heard reference to it.
00:19:47.020 We've seen pictures.
00:19:47.900 But what was it like going back to really the end of 2013, beginning of 2014, when all of this kicked off? 0.86
00:19:55.620 If folks remember the scale and scope of the terror that happened during Black Lives Matter in the summer of 2020, imagine if that Black Lives Matter lawless mob going around looting, throwing Molotov cocktails in police cars, burning down police precincts. 0.80
00:20:18.620 Imagine if that had actually toppled the U.S. government and installed, without an election, a new head of state in America. 0.85
00:20:27.960 That is what was done in Ukraine in 2014 in the Maidan Square.
00:20:33.600 Now, what had happened was there was a tug of war in Ukraine between the U.S. government and Ukraine's democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych.
00:20:45.320 Viktor Yanukovych was not a Russian vassal leader.
00:20:51.400 Russia at the time was split between a largely Ukrainian ethnic, more pro-EU, pro-Euro-Atlantic axis west, and a Russian ethnic, more pro-Russian east.
00:21:14.060 And the two basically demographic blocks of the country resulted in there being a mostly middle-of-the-way president in the form of Viktor Yanukovych, who tried to play nice with both sides.
00:21:30.860 That is, while the still-maintained gas transit and a sort of cozy economic relationship with Russia, still signed multi-billion-dollar deals with every manner of Western company, including a $10 billion deal with Chevron, partnered with Naftagas, the main gas giant in Ukraine, which is responsible for most of Ukraine's internal revenue.
00:21:58.960 a $10 billion gas deal with Shell, the British petroleum giant, as well as many others.
00:22:06.780 But at the time, the U.S. government, as well as the Brits, were trying to pull Ukraine into an economic treaty
00:22:14.520 that would have foreclosed on effectively any economic activity with Russia.
00:22:21.100 And the terms of this were very brutal on Ukraine.
00:22:24.760 And Ukraine rejected this deal in late 2013, about December 2013, after dragging its feet for a long time about who it was going to go to prom with effectively in terms of its economic pact.
00:22:42.400 Either the West or Russia ultimately decided to sign this economic deal with Russia.
00:22:49.760 And within two months of that, the Americans and the Brits organized probably the most significant, other than 9-11, you could argue, the most significant event in 21st century history geopolitically, which was the Maidan Square Revolution, which set in motion the war we are now in today.
00:23:15.860 And Ben, let's also point out, let's name some names here, because this wasn't just happening in a vacuum.
00:23:23.400 You had people like Victoria Nuland handing out cookies.
00:23:26.140 Hillary Clinton was, of course, fanning the flames of this all along as she was. 1.00
00:23:30.380 She'd stepped down from the Obama administration, but, you know, really setting all this in motion and then then working to run for president.
00:23:38.140 So she was extremely blank. Jake Sullivan, who someone was there.
00:23:41.820 Tony Blinken, who someone was involved.
00:23:43.460 But we look at some of the names that are on the ground.
00:23:46.080 It was a little bit bipartisan, wasn't it, in terms of Americans who traveled over there?
00:23:50.800 Oh, absolutely bipartisan.
00:23:52.500 You had John McCain on the ground.
00:23:55.380 There's footage you can look up of him actually recording out of his window in Ukraine
00:24:02.060 as the Ukrainian rioters were taking over the parliament building in the square.
00:24:08.720 You can see him looking out his window.
00:24:10.800 and they appear to be toasting to it, him and Chris Murphy, the senator from Connecticut, I believe.
00:24:19.740 It was very much a bipartisan thing, as is not uncommon in these regime change operations.
00:24:27.440 This is how you have institutions like the National Endowment for Democracy on the ground
00:24:31.260 with both of its political cores, the NDI for Democrats, the IRI for Republicans,
00:24:38.520 The National Dental for Democracy was set up by the CIA in 1982, 1983, and was even defunded by Congress in 1984 for being too much of a CIA front.
00:24:52.020 But you had economic stakeholders from the donor class of both parties who had a vested interest in taking over Ukraine, in buying it up, in privatizing its assets, in taking control of its natural resources.
00:25:10.460 And this is quickly what was installed in the post-2014 Ukraine government.
00:25:15.600 You mentioned Victoria Nuland, who at the time was the assistant secretary for Europe and Eurasian affairs at the U.S. State Department, as well as Jeffrey Pyatt, who at the time was the head of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev.
00:25:26.720 And Victoria Nuland bragged on tape that in December 2013, as she's standing in front of a sign for Chevron and Exxon Mobil, she's literally right in back of her are signs for Exxon and Chevron.
00:25:46.200 as she's talking in 2013 about the USAID funding Ukrainian civil society institutions to the tune
00:25:56.800 of $5 billion. Now, those are assets. That's called capacity building. Think of it like
00:26:04.580 raising a mercenary army, $5 billion, which goes a very long way in a low GDP country like Ukraine
00:26:12.160 towards being able to bribe people, towards being able to mobilize people to take action.
00:26:18.040 This is what Jeffrey Sachs, the Harvard economist now at Columbia, said when he was brought to
00:26:26.220 Ukraine as an economic advisor in the immediate aftermath, the week after the Maidan coup,
00:26:32.900 that he was taken around to tour the Maidan Square and was told about how USAID had
00:26:40.620 effectively bust in protesters to the capital. This was a playbook that worked very effectively
00:26:50.320 in Serbia. You can watch a documentary called Taking Down a Dictator that was produced,
00:26:56.380 I believe, by PBS, which shows in granular detail how these operations are logistically
00:27:03.640 coordinated. They were showing the operation because they were celebrating it. But of course,
00:27:09.420 If we call it out and are critical of it, they will claim that we are conspiracy theorists and none of it happened.
00:27:15.140 Jack Posobiec, Mike Benz, right back.
00:27:19.360 We will not accept Russia's occupation and illegal annexation of Crimea or any part of Ukraine.
00:27:26.240 Ukraine must be free to decide its own destiny.
00:27:29.180 And this week, NATO must send an unmistakable message in support of Ukraine as well.
00:27:34.360 Today, we are bound by our treaty alliance.
00:27:37.220 We have a solemn duty to each other.
00:27:39.420 All right, Jack Posobiec, Mike Benz, we are back live.
00:27:42.400 This is tales of regime change shadow over Ukraine.
00:27:47.160 And Benz, you're walking through how this Maidan revolution really was a George Floyd style U.S. government backed color revolution
00:27:55.360 that saw elements of John McCain and Democrats and George Soros all working together to again.
00:28:03.940 And I just want to be very clear about this.
00:28:05.280 going to be very, very clear about this to everybody out there, that whether or not you liked or
00:28:10.260 supported Viktor Yanukovych, the previous president of Ukraine, he was a democratically elected
00:28:17.400 president of the country. He was elected by the people of Ukraine, and there was no legal process
00:28:26.080 to remove him from power. He was ousted. He was forced to step down and flee the country
00:28:32.500 by elements of the U.S. government, all in the name of democracy.
00:28:38.360 And just that basic understanding that the U.S. government under Obama at the time,
00:28:45.220 working with Hillary, was targeted and openly stating their hostility towards Russia.
00:28:51.840 Then when you see the response from Russia, you have to really ask yourselves,
00:28:56.960 Was this unprovoked or perhaps was there something that caused them to react this way?
00:29:05.740 So the Maidan revolution takes place.
00:29:08.480 The U.S. government gets their hooks and U.S. intelligence bends.
00:29:12.200 What happens next in Ukraine?
00:29:15.420 Well, so on the topic of the intelligence state, the New York Times actually published
00:29:21.680 that the very morning after the Maidan Square toppled Viktor Yanukovych and installed Yatsenyuk
00:29:33.040 in Ukraine, he was not elected. The new head of state was literally selected
00:29:38.580 in a joint phone call by Victoria Nuland and Jeff Pyatt, who in very explicit terms
00:29:45.520 picked the next president of Ukraine, not the Ukrainian people. But the very next day,
00:29:52.180 the New York Times, as they published in a piece, I believe it was last year or two years ago,
00:30:00.540 they published a reconstruction of Ukraine's intelligence state. They did this as the
00:30:07.480 funding for the CIA was potentially under pressure in Ukraine. But what they said is that the new
00:30:14.040 head of Ukrainian intelligence walked into the building of Ukraine's intelligence center
00:30:21.460 the day after the coup was complete, and the lights were off, and documents were scattered
00:30:28.600 everywhere. And the first thing he did is he placed two phone calls, one to the CIA chief of
00:30:36.000 station and one to the MI6 chief of station in Ukraine. And a three-way partnership was struck
00:30:44.420 the very day after the coup to rebuild Ukraine's intelligence state from the ground up as a
00:30:50.700 three-way partnership between Ukraine, the CIA, and MI6. So not only did the Obama administration
00:31:01.100 and the British government overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
00:31:05.980 But then they immediately took control through the CIA and MI6 of the intelligence services
00:31:13.740 in Ukraine from the ground up. Now, it's important to, I guess, get a granular view of the terror
00:31:23.080 that takes place during the key moments of a color revolution. Not only was $5 billion
00:31:30.460 dollars funneled to the right sector mobs and protesters who took to the streets in ukraine
00:31:36.980 what is what you also had sanctions hold on hold on what what is right sector when you mention
00:31:43.460 right sector who are they what do they believe well the the problem is i think you're probably
00:31:50.900 getting to is that many of these elements have been associated with nazi elements in ukraine
00:31:56.360 And it was and but but the right sector was is essentially a hard right nationalist movement in Ukraine that comes out of this anti-Soviet milieu.
00:32:09.180 There was a kind of Nazi versus communist civil war playing out in not just during World War Two, but in the aftermath is there was a struggle between hard right elements in Europe and hard left elements in Europe.
00:32:26.360 And in the same way that the U.S. government backed Islamo-fascist elements like the Mujahideen and Al-Qaeda and ISIS, when it's geopolitically useful, the U.S. government also supported factions like the Azov Battalion and hard right elements.
00:32:46.940 Wait, wait, guys, I just want to, I, oh, no, sorry, finish the answer.
00:32:50.620 of the right sector in Ukraine, because they were so virulently anti-Soviet, it was deemed
00:32:58.120 as being useful as a battering ram to take down Ukraine's democratically elected government as
00:33:04.760 a pro-Russian government. And the only thing I wanted to add is that, so, you know, for folks
00:33:12.400 watching these episodes, Mike hasn't seen the other, you know, go pull back the fourth curtain
00:33:17.480 here a little bit to break the fourth wall, as they say. Mike hasn't seen the other episodes
00:33:21.460 because that's exactly what we talk about in those episodes as well. So and in fact,
00:33:27.700 the one in Afghanistan was to take out the Russians. And so we took this element that we 0.92
00:33:34.380 said, oh, this can be a good, useful proxy for us, a proxy group. And yes, they may have these
00:33:40.280 these radical Islamic beliefs, but who cares? Let's prop them up and fund them and arm them 1.00
00:33:46.540 and we can use them against Russia, and then we can do the same thing. 0.88
00:33:50.320 And by the way, all of this, just go look at the timeframes.
00:33:53.660 This was happening almost concurrently with the Operation Timber Sycamore,
00:33:58.180 which is going on in Syria, where you're seeing the same elements go up against Assad,
00:34:02.480 who was also Russian back.
00:34:05.900 So we broke this series down into different elements.
00:34:09.600 But people but you need to understand that Syria and Ukraine were happening at the exact same time.
00:34:17.000 So 2012, 2013 into 2014, these were not we're breaking it down episodically as separate, but they weren't separate in reality.
00:34:26.940 It was the same people, the same CIA, the same president, United States, the same commanders, the same chain of command.
00:34:34.100 If you look at it all the way from top down.
00:34:36.080 And then Libya, of course, was right before the entire Arab Spring. 0.73
00:34:39.600 Benghazi, the rest of it, running guns, running man pads.
00:34:43.640 This is what the Obama administration, particularly the second half of his administration, were
00:34:48.500 doing the entire time.
00:34:50.880 And what do they do?
00:34:51.780 They find these groups and they say, hey, so it was it was radical Islamists in the 0.84
00:34:56.500 Middle East and up in up in Ukraine, they found a bunch of neo-Nazis to do their dirty
00:35:01.460 work for them.
00:35:02.120 And they never considered what the secondary consequences or effects might be.
00:35:06.560 I just wanted to pause. Sorry, Mike, didn't mean to break your your flow there, but it's it's just so endemic.
00:35:12.520 And here you pointed out, even when you haven't even seen the other episodes.
00:35:16.320 Oh, I'm glad you bring that up, because that was part of the strategic calculus.
00:35:20.000 Operation Timber Sycamore. Yes. The CIA operation to arm effectively ISIS and Al Qaeda elements who are now in power today.
00:35:31.220 Mohammed al-Jelani was literally a ISIS and al-Qaeda commander being trained and funded by the Central Intelligence Agency during Timber Sycamore, was from 2011 to 2016.
00:35:44.580 And part of the strategic calculus around Ukraine was to weaken Russia's economic muscle so it couldn't support Assad.
00:35:52.460 This is part of the economic deprivation strategy.
00:35:56.720 It was Russia was providing S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, which made a bombs over Baghdad campaign not feasible in Syria in the way that it was in Iraq.
00:36:10.940 But what was happening in the Maidan Square was a you had 90 percent of Ukrainian media, 90, 90 percent of Ukrainian media institutions were funded by USAID.
00:36:26.940 So the media inside Ukraine was all telling these people, your government is illegitimate.
00:36:33.700 These these these riots are mostly peaceful protests.
00:36:38.200 Of course, they were armed. There were snipers shooting people.
00:36:43.000 There were everything was set on fire.
00:36:46.240 It looks like it looks like a total incineration of the main parliament square.
00:36:52.140 That was if you look at the before and after pictures, it's just it looks like Minneapolis, what was done to the the capital city of Ukraine at this time.
00:37:04.100 Now, meanwhile, everyone was being psyoped and gaslit into these into the idea that these were being these were peaceful protests or mostly peaceful protests.
00:37:15.200 And that cudgel, the idea that these were peaceful protests, which they absolutely were not in the same way that the George Floyd riots were not, was used as a economic cudgel.
00:37:26.740 There's a very important linchpin to framing violence as being peaceful protests, because that means if a government cracks down on the protests, that can now be contextualized as a human rights violation because they are peaceful.
00:37:43.380 And this is exactly what the U.S. government did to Ukraine.
00:37:46.740 As it was funding the riots, the U.S. government threatened sanctions on the democratically elected government of Ukraine
00:37:55.200 if they fought back, if they used police or military security forces to defend itself from the riots the U.S. government was funding.
00:38:04.120 It was a hostile coup. It was a hostile coup, and it needs to be described in that way.
00:38:09.000 Jack Posobiec, Mike Benz, right back.
00:38:13.380 As the brutal war between Russia and Ukraine rages on, fierce fighting persists across
00:38:23.440 multiple fronts. In a grim milestone, recent reports indicate that over one million lives
00:38:30.760 have been lost since the conflict escalated in February 2022.
00:38:36.420 Jack Rosovic, we're back here. Tales of regime change, shadow over Ukraine. And so
00:38:42.840 I want to fast forward now in our final segment to where we're currently at. So, look, I've had
00:38:49.500 the opportunity of a lifetime, and I want to say I'm honored to be considered to have the ability
00:38:57.340 for the Trump administration to have a front row seat to history in the making. Secretary Besant,
00:39:05.060 Secretary of Treasury, took me on a train all the way to Kiev, night train to Kiev,
00:39:10.020 and traveled with him to meet with Zelensky at the presidential palace of Ukraine
00:39:14.820 to be able to talk with him the opening stages of Trump's attempts
00:39:19.520 to end the current Ukraine war regarding the mineral deal.
00:39:22.780 Then President Trump himself asked if I would accompany the Air Force One
00:39:28.500 on the way to the Anchorage Accords, the sit down with Putin
00:39:33.620 that was held in Anchorage, Alaska, the first time a Russian president
00:39:37.620 has ever set foot or any Russian leader has ever set foot in Alaska, even going back to the time
00:39:43.600 when Alaska itself was under Russian control, Russian imperial control. And these negotiations,
00:39:52.840 as they've been progressing, as they've been continuing, that we need to understand that
00:40:00.280 when we're talking to the Russians, now this is key, this is key. When I say we, I mean the 0.77
00:40:04.920 Americans. We need to understand that this is their perception of events. Now, you can disagree
00:40:12.860 and you can say, well, you know, you know, Russia shouldn't have done that and they shouldn't look
00:40:17.800 at it that way. And that's fine. But you need to understand this is the perspective from which
00:40:23.080 they are coming. And if you disagree and discount and disavow their perspective, then guess what?
00:40:30.120 You won't have any idea what you're doing. You won't be able to come to any solution.
00:40:35.940 So, Benz, I'll bring you back in here. When we talk to the Russians, when the U.S. is going through these negotiations, these are still the red lines for the Russians when it comes down to it,
00:40:47.300 Because they don't want to see something like this happen again, where Ukraine could then be used as a launch pad for either a direct invasion or military attack, obviously, into Russia, or even worse, another Maidan-style revolution being launched in a place like Moscow or, say, St. Petersburg, where we remember that the original Bolshevik revolution all the way back to 1917 was a German battle.
00:41:17.300 revolution, a color revolution, if you will, that started in St. Petersburg.
00:41:23.660 Well, that's exactly right. And it was during the Obama administration that USAID was kicked
00:41:27.920 out of the country. The National Endowment for Democracy was kicked out of the country
00:41:32.100 precisely for fomenting color revolutions, tactics inside of Moscow. The U.S. government
00:41:39.280 was supporting Alexei Navalny, who was organizing riots inside of Ukraine. He was even
00:41:47.280 brought to the Yale Jackson School, the Maurice Greenberg World Fellows Program. Maurice Greenberg
00:41:53.880 was asked by Bill Clinton to be the Central Intelligence Agency Director. This is literally
00:41:59.640 a CIA incubator program that we brought over. Hillary Clinton openly promoted this activity
00:42:08.360 as Secretary of State inside of Russia. You had the U.S. government funding through the National
00:42:13.900 Endowment for Democracy, the Pussy Riot street protests. Pussy Riot was this music group that 0.70
00:42:20.600 was trying to incite violent protests against Putin inside of Russia. She met with Anthony
00:42:29.680 Blinken at the U.S. State Department. They were supported directly by the U.S. Embassy,
00:42:36.660 by the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA front. That's what contemporaneous with the
00:42:43.360 Ukraine coup. But Russia is obviously not going to forget this. This is existential for the
00:42:49.380 Russian government, as it would be for any reasonable government. I am all for U.S. 0.88
00:42:55.060 influence and global leadership. But when you fight this dirty, when you stoop to these tactics,
00:43:02.160 there is blowback. There is always blowback. There is global resentment. And the people
00:43:08.180 on the streets remember it. To this day, Jack, when we mentioned Black Lives Matter
00:43:13.980 and the terror that we all felt in the summer of 2020, we are now over five years past that, 0.89
00:43:19.720 and it still feels like a fresh memory. You can imagine what that feels like for the people of
00:43:26.680 Ukraine, for the people of Russia in the aftermath of that, and the aftermath created that situation
00:43:34.060 we're in now. What happened after 2014, after the Maidan Square coup was a counter coup. The entire
00:43:41.420 eastern half of the country broke away, did not respect the newly installed voted government,
00:43:47.820 which was not voted on. So Luhansk and Donetsk declared themselves breakaway republics. This
00:43:53.740 would be like, for example, if Black Lives Matter toppled the U.S. government and installed
00:43:59.820 like, you know, Letitia James or something as president without a vote if Florida broke away
00:44:06.060 and Texas broke away. And and then Crimea voted in a Democratic referendum to to join the Russian
00:44:15.740 Federation formally. This would be like, you know, Florida and Texas deciding that they are now a part
00:44:22.600 of, I don't know, Hungary or Poland or something as a way of creating a kind of. Here's here's
00:44:29.160 Here's one of the ones that I like to say, let's say somehow, all right, you know, somehow like Texas gets taken, you know, breaks away from the United States and then maybe elements of another country come in and form a socialist revolution there and the socialists take over.
00:44:51.660 And I know I know people are saying it wouldn't happen. I get it. But, you know, then they come in and they say, oh, we're going to be signing a deal with the Chinese and the Mexicans so their military can come into Texas.
00:45:04.220 The United States would never allow that. They would just never allow that. No serious leader would allow something like that to ever occur. 0.99
00:45:12.580 They would say this is Texas. This is ridiculous. That is our territory. It has been our territory. We fought for that territory. 0.99
00:45:18.940 And the Russians, when they look at Ukraine, they say we fought for this territory and lost how many millions in World War Two when they fought to defend Ukraine and push the Nazis out of Ukraine.
00:45:31.620 To your point, that's why there's so many of these leave behind groups in in Ukraine in the first place.
00:45:37.500 And also there could be an interesting we could do a whole episode on who exactly was funding those leave behind groups and working with them in those places after World War Two, because may have some interesting elements that people might not like to know who was working with the neo-Nazis after 1945 all across Europe.
00:45:58.660 But the point being is that's how the Russians see it.
00:46:02.540 And if we want to approach these negotiations with any degree of understanding what the other side is trying to say,
00:46:10.660 we have to understand that this is their perspective.
00:46:13.800 And in fact, much of it rings true.
00:46:16.780 Last two minutes, Mike Benz.
00:46:18.720 There should be a formal apology by the Trump administration to the Russians as part of this peace process
00:46:25.660 for the actions undertaken by the Obama government and some sort of assurance or I think that would
00:46:32.740 go a long way we are sorry for overthrowing the democratically elected government in a coup
00:46:38.460 that was a that was a mistake not to be repeated it was done by a corrupt administration that was
00:46:46.720 power hungry and mad and overzealous and we have disbanded many of the institutions associated
00:46:55.260 with that, including USAID, and I hope the National Endowment for Democracy and the like.
00:46:59.860 I think that that sort of formal statement would go a long way to saying that this administration
00:47:05.980 does not stand with those sort of tactics to destabilize governments and put them in the
00:47:15.080 ruin that they're in. Exactly right. Mike Benz, we're just out of time. I wish we could do four
00:47:22.060 hours on this and i'm sure you have tell people where they can go and get access to your content
00:47:27.260 and your info you can find me on x at mike ben cyber also on youtube and rumble folks this has
00:47:34.780 been jack posobik mike bends here on tales of regime change shadow over ukraine we need to
00:47:45.660 understand these regime change operations where they come from who the people are behind them
00:47:52.300 who's really benefiting from them and how they always fail up against the law of unintended
00:47:59.500 consequences ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay a short