00:03:54.180I was actually asked to climb down from the octagon.
00:03:57.460They said, excuse me, sir, can you please climb off the octagon?
00:04:02.600I said, well, nobody told me I couldn't go in the octagon.
00:04:04.260If you want to tell me that I can't go in the octagon, you got to tell me I can't go in the octagon.
00:04:08.440Because if I see an octagon, I'm going in the octagon.
00:04:10.520All right. And we're looking at this and I saw, you know, last night the light up of the Octagon, as amazing as it was, the hype is absolutely through the roof for UFC with normal America, middle America, regular America.
00:04:30.440I got to thinking and I thought, you know, I know that the intelligentsia is attacking this and tearing it apart, but let's let's think if we can.
00:04:40.540Let's let's take a little page out of, you know, Scanner Darkly or Man in the High Castle and imagine, if you will, an alternate reality with me.
00:04:49.940Come along. Imagine America 250 under Kamala.0.91
00:04:54.720Remember, imagine Kamala's America 250. Imagine what we would have. Non-stop yearly apologies for America. The humiliation of America. Non-stop worship of people like George Floyd or Trayvon Martin or talking about how terrible America has always been.
00:05:19.900nonstop lectures, nonstop bringing up, oh, slavery, and Christopher Columbus was a terrible
00:05:26.980person, and we have to castigate ourselves. And it would be struggle sessions on the White
00:05:33.880House lawn. It would actually be struggle sessions of patriotic Americans or just complete
00:05:38.880humiliations of our rituals, humiliation rituals of our military, humiliation rituals of our
00:05:44.620leadership, humiliation rituals of our White House. What's President Trump doing?
00:05:49.900He's holding celebrations, celebrations of America.
00:05:53.340And let me tell you something, ladies and gentlemen, the American people love combat.
00:10:02.960No, I'm doing great. And I had a great I'm telling you, it was over at the White House, just came over. We did the UFC thing. Rich, I just know from my anecdotal, you know, poll, I don't I don't do the big, you know, the big screens of polls like you guys do. But I do know the working class people, the middle class people that I know, the friends, folks home in the Rust Belt, they're all talking about UFC. They all think it's really cool. Do they think the Iran war is great? No. Do they want to see more deportations? Yes.
00:10:32.100but they love the UFC fight and I think a lot of the mainstream media is actually missing out on
00:10:38.360this they they don't quite understand it do they no they don't and that's kind of a shocker isn't
00:10:43.080it I mean even leading up until the 24 election the country was very very depressed uh right I
00:10:49.180mean Americans I was listening to the segment before and this is a good idea Americans uh like
00:10:54.760a scrap they like the scrap you know the love and under an underdog story it's a story of America
00:10:59.580And I think we all need, and I'd liken it to the TPUSA event during the halftime show in Super Bowl.
00:11:23.040Well, America is a, you know, Europeans used to look at us like we were rugged, ruggedly individualistic and almost barbaric, right, in the sense of the old world's kind of thing.
00:11:36.220And that's what makes us American.0.99
00:11:37.420That's a good thing, in my mind, anyway.
00:11:48.240You know, there's been hard political times.
00:11:50.000Rich, Rich, I'm just going to say something that I know, and this has been said a little bit, but I'm maybe kind of leaking something.
00:11:58.100They've said that that audience of the seats that are right in front, and I was at the preview there earlier this morning, most of those seats are going to be military members in uniform.
00:12:10.120And you know those guys are going to be cheering their heads off.
00:12:14.040So when the media, and Trump, this is very good on his part.
00:12:18.120So when the media and the left starts attacking it, you're going to look like you're attacking the best of the best of America's military.
00:12:25.940You're going to look like you're attacking something that so many average Americans love.
00:12:29.800And it's going to feel like they're going to feel like the media and the left are attacking them.
00:12:35.520This is Trump at his best. And call balls and strikes. This is one of the best ideas he's had.
00:12:41.080Well, that's what I was going to issue a bit of a warning here, too, because, of course, we know there's some people on our side who are, you know, might be tempted to take a shot here or there.
00:12:53.000You know, I would strongly suggest not doing that.
00:12:55.120If you're upset about something, you don't have to be upset about everything.
00:14:30.820So this is not related to those Iran strikes.
00:14:33.920We know that President Trump had called that off already prior to the show, so there was this threat that he made that he called off.
00:14:40.500He said this was obviously the president was shaking the box, as Scott Adams used to say, on Iran, gets them to a place where they can sign a deal.
00:15:15.500Few people anywhere in the legal community are respected at the level of Jay.
00:15:19.220I encourage the United States Senate to confirm Jay as soon as possible.
00:15:21.860Thank you for the intention of this matter, President Donald J. Trump.
00:15:25.660So, Rich, this, you know, obviously comes as we know that there's been a huge fight over the Pulte nomination or I should say the Pulte appointment.
00:15:34.820So the way I read this is that the president is going to send Pulte over there for a specific targeted, focused mission at DNI.
00:15:44.680And then at some point, because we know these appointment processes can take a lengthy time with the Senate.
00:15:49.900So this Clayton will then come in at whatever point he's nominated for the permanent position.
00:15:59.080And also at this time of season, during this point in the cycle, Jack, you know, I mean, this can take a while.
00:16:05.580I also think that if the president is trying, as I think he is rightfully trying to do, if he's honestly trying to figure out an off-ramp here with Iran in a respectful way, the Senate was, you know, they're always whining.
00:16:19.900these senators republican senators too they're always whining about something and they were
00:16:24.320very unhappy with this and wanted they had been encouraging him you know please give us a permanent
00:16:30.980appointment well look he did so get off his back as he tries to negotiate and let him do his job
00:16:36.640right i mean so you got a little bit of science how politics works a little tit for tat you go
00:16:40.740a little give and pull you got something you wanted um and you know you'll have a chance to
00:16:45.940digest that name and go through the process that you senators feel you're so important and needed
00:16:50.360to do now get off the guy's back and let him do what he's got to do with iran and so give and take
00:16:55.940jack little give and take and by the way so i'm looking at and and people are saying why clayton
00:17:00.500well if you go look he's currently the u.s attorney for the sdny and he's the one who's prosecuting
00:17:06.540nicolas maduro he's the one who has taken up uh initiatives on companies for uh regarding regarding
00:17:13.620a lot of the fraud that's been going on.
00:17:15.460So he's already been someone who's worked with the president on a number of national
00:19:42.440All right, folks, we're back. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.
00:19:46.060We're here live on Real America's Voice.
00:19:49.140And Rich Barris, there's this story that's been heating up in Washington, D.C.
00:19:54.100A lot of people putting it out. Jonathan Swan over at The New York Times putting this out regarding,
00:19:59.420I guess it's an excerpt from his upcoming book, regarding the Epstein files.
00:20:05.420And, you know, people who follow this program certainly know the entire story because they saw it in real time.
00:20:11.320But, you know, over the New York Times, their readers aren't quite as familiar with it.
00:20:15.140But, Rich, there was an interesting tidbit that I saw in there that I want to get your take on where they said that, and I'm not sure exactly what it was,
00:20:21.720but they said that when it came to the Epstein files, there was polling that was shown to the president that said that Epstein was not a top issue for voters.
00:20:33.660And that to me was not my experience talking to the grassroots, going to the events throughout 2025, going to campus events that I've gone to and continue to go to with Turning Point USA.
00:20:44.640It's just not been my experience that that's not an issue that is on the top of voters' minds.
00:20:54.040It was one of the biggest issues and then became an even bigger issue after, I guess, June of 2025.
00:20:59.700So what exactly is your take when it comes to that polling that says that that the Epstein files were like a number six issue for voters?
00:21:09.820This has been a repeated problem that I've criticized now since the beginning of this administration, which is that a fundamental misunderstanding of the MAGA coalition has led to really bad analysis and how the data has been presented to the president.
00:21:26.880Right. So if you're going to go out in the field and poll and say, you know, do you care more about jobs or do you care more about, you know, inflation?
00:21:34.600And then putting Epstein on, you know, a multiple choice pick one response kind of format, you're fundamentally missing a misunderstanding how the Trump coalition views society and unfairness in society and why they loved Donald Trump and why they backed him.
00:21:50.260So many different groups backed him that would never back a Republican presidential candidate.
00:21:55.100And what do I mean by that is, unfortunately, that polling, which did that, was used to quiet the voices of people who did understand, like Vice President Vance.
00:22:05.500And, you know, I think you probably knew this.
00:22:07.640I did know this, despite how Dan Bongino has acted in public, privately.
00:22:12.640He was pushing for more transparency, and he did warn that this was a grave miscalculation, and this will cause a grave political injury, self-inflicted injury.
00:22:22.760He was right. The vice president was right. And yet the people who didn't want to hear that use the polling that you're talking about to misinterpret things. All right. And what do I mean by what am I what am I saying here, guys? The Epstein issue was everything. It wasn't number six. It was everything.
00:22:41.200Because the Trump coalition voter believes that this class is ruled and being ruined by a ruling class that gets away with egregious behavior, rigs the system not only in their favor but against them.
00:22:55.360So when you're talking about people who care about the economy, when you're talking about people who care even about immigration and how much things cost when they go to the grocery store or to the gas pump, they blame that ruling class for all of it.
00:23:08.820It is all under the umbrella of the Epstein class, which is what the Democrats now have used as a narrative, and they're running with it and why it is so effective.0.63
00:23:19.560And Trump, more than anything, was elected to stop that.0.56
00:23:24.560One thing that I've heard is John Ossoff.
00:23:27.400When I look at John Ossoff down in Georgia—
00:23:30.580He weaves it in and he attacks the president. He attacks his, you know, the family. He attacks various business ventures that the family is involved in.
00:23:41.760And he weaves in and out of this sort of Epstein class narrative. And it's it's it's a line where you see people, you know, on online use it.
00:23:52.160I've seen the left use it there. I haven't seen anyone who's a sitting senator use it, though, quite as much as John Ossoff.
00:23:58.280Brokohana, sure, but there's a way that John Ossoff does it that I think people would do well to pay attention to.
00:24:06.340You're totally right. Ossoff is the guy who sounds it the best, I guess, all right?
00:24:14.800Sherrod Brown is weaving it into his campaign against Usted, which he's winning in Ohio.
00:24:20.780Trump just carried that state by 13 and a half points.
00:24:23.260But I would very much warn everyone and remind everyone that even as Trump won the state by nearly 14 points, Bernie Moreno, who did win, ran 10 points behind the president.
00:24:35.700You can't afford to run 10 points behind. Moreno only won by three and a half points, brother. That's it.
00:24:40.420Everyone is always using Trump's benchmarks to go, you know, to measure against or use as a baseline for Republican baseline performance.
00:24:48.600And that is a gross miscalculation. And again, I would, you know, just to go back to this Epstein class narrative that they're using, what Democrats have figured out why this is so it's such a vulnerability for the president is that he was more than anything seen as a symbol, a strong man symbol who could be their guy, their champion to stand up to all of it.
00:25:10.200So all of the endless wars they hate, all of the rigging of the economic system, the lack of affordability, he was their guy to stand up to that.
00:25:20.160Even gross injustices in the justice system, right?
00:25:23.640How rich and powerful people get away with horrible things and they can't.
00:25:33.900And let me let me just just double check this, because if there's information that's being given to the president on polling on Epstein, that is incorrect.
00:25:46.360Is it is it possible that he could be receiving incorrect polling information on other subjects as well, such as, I don't know, Iran, deportations, other, you know, other things like this?
00:25:56.720Great question. And I mean, I can tell you for a fact that is the case.
00:26:01.800It was just a headline two weeks ago about a poll that was done by people, obviously, who were pushing the Maha agenda and had to deal with vaccines.0.79
00:26:11.520The poll, which was hid, and then another poll was conducted and shown to the president, nearly derailed vaccine reform.
00:29:10.100But when we look at some of the things, of course, the U.K., Belfast is up in arms.
00:29:15.100We see after the migrant violence there, Henry Novak, that case in England and the murder of this young boy and the indifference of the police, Carmelo Anthony, so many of these things.
00:29:28.520And so I wanted to get Dr. Chloe Carmichael on.
00:29:32.020And I'm a bit tardy because May was Mental Health Awareness Month, but we're doing it in June.
00:34:02.240So STORM, S-T-O, the O is for organized.
00:34:06.040Now, I will say the left is so much better at this.
00:34:08.840They literally are more of a collectivist. That's like literally, you know, what communism is all about. They're really good at grassroots organizing. People on the right, they tend to be more like, don't tread on me. I'll live my life. I'll do my thing. You do yours. We need to get better at community and at organizing.
00:34:26.900So, you know, maybe you want to go on to Scott Pressler's early voting action app and start sending some texts for him.
00:34:34.160And he makes it super easy. The early voting app is a great way or early voting action app is a great one.
00:34:40.640You know, maybe you want to go to a school board meeting.
00:34:43.420Maybe you even just want to wear your Trump T-shirt in public.
00:34:46.420You know, whatever it is, is you're finding some way of connecting with your community and making yourself known.
00:34:52.860So wait, can I can I can I mention that the connecting with community part?
00:34:56.540So you mentioned, and by the way, organizing, of course, Turning Point USA, Turning Point USA, Turning Point USA, and Turning Point Action.
00:35:03.980You know, if you, as Charlie would say, if, you know, find a chapter, if you can't find one, start one.
00:35:09.800And when you mentioned community, though, whenever I see someone, I always tell my wife, Tanya Tay, who's here in the studio on the side here today,
00:35:19.220that, you know, whenever I see someone in the wild with a, you know, a Trump hat or a bumper
00:35:25.560sticker or a shirt or even just anything conservative, you know, I always make sure
00:35:31.280to go out of my way. If I have to cut across an airport or whatever it is, I don't cut across
00:35:37.080traffic, though I am tempted to, that to just let them know, hey, that's a great shirt you have on
00:35:43.500right there. Or, hey, I love your hat. And I just I make sure to say something to them because
00:35:48.720there's such an atomizing feeling when you watch mainstream media to feel as if there's no one out
00:35:57.000there who thinks the same as me. There's no one out there who feels the way that I feel about
00:36:02.240what's going on. And I see politicians or media figures come up and say that I'm wrong to think
00:36:07.420the way that I do. So it's funny you mentioned that about the t-shirts. I do that. I've literally
00:36:12.220been doing that for years. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good one. And I encourage people to just
00:36:17.940you know, Google for your local political action groups, Turning Point USA, all those things. And
00:36:23.220you know, wear your t-shirt, you know, that's, that's a great way to connect with the community.
00:36:28.020And then I do it, we do it at, we do it at, when, when my kids play baseball, you know,
00:36:33.060sometimes I'll just throw on a Turning Point shirt and, you know, see, see who comes up.
00:36:37.340Yes. Yes. I've done things like that too. And I mean, it's, I'll admit, like, it's actually kind
00:36:42.020of scary sometimes almost, because as you said, it can be so atomizing, but at the same time,
00:36:47.260you know, you find out real quick who your friends are in the room, right? So it can work in both
00:36:52.420directions. So in storm, if you find yourself angry about some of these events, and you go
00:36:57.520through speaking up, taking action, organizing, the R is for reflection and prayer. So, you know,
00:37:03.320always taking that time, remember, prayer is an action too. So taking time to, you know, go to
00:37:09.100church, that's another great way to connect with community, and try to get some guidance from God,
00:37:14.900give that anxiety up to God, connecting in that way. And then the M is for move your body, right?
00:37:21.260So just like at the UFC thing, when we get angry, we get a natural spike in adrenaline and energy.
00:37:28.500So even if it's just, you know, going for a run or going for a walk, we have to make sure we give
00:37:33.380ourselves a physical outlet for all that extra energy. I love that. I love the way that you're
00:37:40.280putting these all together. These are things we do that, you know, the Poso household, you know,
00:37:44.500I love doing this because I'm thinking about this in terms of not just for the country, for the movement, for politics, but just for individuals.
00:37:52.020What's something you can do in your day-to-day life?
00:37:56.120We try to make time for prayer every single day.
00:37:58.920We go to church every week, I should say.
00:38:00.960And so many of these things, people lose that, and then they might turn to other things to try to fill that void when in reality everything you're talking about seems incredibly healthy.
00:38:11.040This is a great conversation we're having.
00:38:12.620dr chloe carmichael we're always so happy to have her on one more segment human events daily right
00:38:17.120back this the jack posobic appreciation hour i can say confidently i believe i think josh
00:38:33.580shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for jack posobic and that that is
00:38:42.620All right, folks, we're back. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. You're looking at some of the footage earlier today of that UFC, the preview that I got to attend at the White House, some of the octagon, some of the shots out of there.
00:38:59.400And I'm also being told that Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Dana White are actually signing a partnership right now regarding diplomacy in, you know, diplomacy in through mixed martial arts and fighting.
00:39:12.840And it's true, by the way, that UFC is very international.
00:39:17.060This is something where, you know, regardless of what what's going on in the world's politics, that you can still bring the people of the world together for something like this.
00:39:27.100And so actually, Dr. Khloe, let me let me ask you this, because that's been sort of the thesis, the thesis, the theme of the show today, if you will.
00:39:35.120I went to the, you know, the UFC celebration slash preview earlier today.
00:39:41.040We know the big fight is coming up on on Sunday.
00:39:44.800And, you know, it's it's something that I think the president is putting together that regular America, middle America just absolutely loves.
00:39:52.020It may not be the cup of tea for your your urban city dwelling liberal.
00:39:59.780But at the same time, you know, when we when we did the Turning Point All-American halftime show, it was the same kind of theme we were trying to push forward.
00:40:08.300This idea that everyone can unite around one thing, you know, love of the country.
00:40:14.020And if you know, and by the way, if UFC isn't your thing, there's a state parade.
00:40:17.480There's going to be a state fair in D.C. There's going to be military appreciation.
00:40:21.480so many things about coming together and loving the country. And yes, putting on some championship
00:40:27.660fights, that's pretty much part of Americana and certainly modern day Americana. Does that theme
00:40:34.840help with unity nationally, the idea of having one united identity that people should celebrate?
00:40:44.980Yeah, of course. And I think that's exactly why, as you're saying, there are certain,
00:40:49.080And, you know, people typically buy coastal elites that hate it so much.
00:40:53.440Right. Because UFC is it's certainly about physical fitness.
00:40:58.000It's about competition. It's about masculinity.
00:41:01.460Of course, they label it as toxic. Right.
00:41:04.160So it hits all the buttons that that drive a lot of people crazy.
00:41:09.880But for those of us who are not crazy, who just want to enjoy some really good, clean fun, some excitement,
00:41:16.700some exhibition of strength and camaraderie, I think it's going to be an amazing time.
00:41:23.740And so this is something, though, that I, you know, obviously one of the main underpinnings of
00:41:28.440Donald Trump's movement, politics, issues that I talk about on the show all the time,
00:41:34.060is the issue of identity and in particular national identity. And so that idea of, you know,
00:41:42.320what does it do to the mental health of a nation when you do have millions upon millions of this
00:41:47.820Biden wave of people coming in from all different corners of the world that are you're bumping up
00:41:54.520against in your towns and your neighborhoods and schools. And suddenly you're like, wait, I don't
00:42:00.940I don't recognize what's going on. And, you know, we're told, oh, we need to be tolerant. And how
00:42:05.960dare you talk about that? But I do think that does something to a nation's national health.
00:42:10.020Oh, yeah. And it does something to our mental health on many ways and to our financial health and, you know, our societal health on many levels.
00:42:19.180So, of course, when we just bring people in, many of whom actually openly dislike our country, who openly acknowledge that they're pretty much here to essentially rape us of our benefits or maybe try to take over our political system because they weren't able to do it through open warfare.
00:42:39.540And so they're going to infiltrate in more of a Trojan horse sort of a way.
00:42:44.340And then, as you said, moreover, we're expected to pretend it's not even happening, to not talk about it.
00:42:51.000That, of course, is one of the big themes of my book is, you know, can I say that?
00:42:55.880Why free speech matters and how to use it fearlessly is that we have to be able to talk about it, even if we're, you know, wrong about certain things.
00:43:04.360Or, you know, maybe we're right about one part and wrong about another part. We have to be able to have a debate without having it be called hate speech or Islamophobia or, you know, xenophobia or anything else. It's the opposite of that, actually. It's a total willingness to engage about the topic and to want to see things clearly and to discuss them.
00:43:28.220And when we tell people, you know, shut up racist, you can't do that. Of course, as you said, we're fracturing our national identity because our national identity is built upon freedom of speech and the open pursuit of happiness.
00:43:44.460So how can we have that when we tell people that they're not allowed to express themselves about something as basic as citizenship and what it means?
00:43:54.560I think that's so key. I think that's so absolutely key. And we had a whole, you know, a whole episode a couple of weeks ago. And so my my mother was a big participant in the 200th, the bicentennial in 1976 at Valley Forge, PA.
00:44:26.680and there was this huge scandal of Watergate
00:44:28.800and Gerald Ford came to speak at Valley Forge.
00:44:32.920He would go on to later lose that election.
00:44:34.660And yet there was something about that bicentennial
00:44:38.72050 years ago that was so incredibly unifying
00:44:43.120that I can see from the White House's perspective, that's what they're trying to evoke.
00:44:50.700And yet there seems to be so many of these forces actually trying to divide in America today.
00:44:56.980And that really is some of the big changes that have gone on in the last 50 years.
00:45:00.800Yeah, I remember seeing your post about that, that people were actually going in covered wagons across the country to attend some of those events.
00:45:09.400And of course, I think a big difference is at this time, we we have so many people in our country who who who look at the founders of our country as, you know, god awful, racist, sexist homophobes or whatever.
00:45:23.660Or, you know, we have people in our country, many of whom even have deep roots in our country.
00:45:28.960It's not even people who are just here illegally. Many of them have been trained through our academic systems to not know the beauty of our history and to hate our country.
00:45:39.240So, of course, we have a different result when we try to gather people together to celebrate our country than we had 50 years ago.
00:45:48.240Actually, Dr. I have to ask you about this because you just you just clicked on, you know, something in my brain that it almost feels like some certain people get addicted to their anger when they get angry about particularly angry about the United States, angry about President Trump.
00:46:08.220We call it TDS, but this actually is a form of addiction, isn't it?
00:46:12.400Because it's like, if this makes you so mad, why do you keep looking at it?
00:46:16.040If this makes you so upset, why not, as you say, go, you know, just put the phone down
00:46:22.140and go read a book or go for a walk or something.
00:46:24.500And yet people seem to be getting addicted to wanting to lash out at the president all