The Assassination of Charlie Kirkļ¼ One Month Later
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Jack Posobrand shares his thoughts on the Antifa protests in response to the recent events in the streets of New York City. He also talks about the tragic loss of his friend Charlie Kirk, who was killed in a helicopter crash on October 9th, 2019.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
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It's now one month since the murder of my friend Charlie Kirk.
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Turning Point team with Erica, with the family.
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I spent a lot of time on camera, as everybody knows.
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I've talked to the President of the United States about this.
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And we've seen the incredible outpouring of love, the incredible outpouring of faith that we've seen around the world.
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You know, because there'll be times where I'm just sitting with my boys and my wife and having a nice moment.
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And the thought will pop up that Charlie's family will never have that.
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Every single one of those moments was stolen from them.
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And in those moments when I do get upset like that, and other people do, and people have talked to me throughout this month.
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Both people who know him, and even people who only know him through a screen.
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The way to deal with that grief is to lean into it.
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And you lean into it through staying on mission.
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And that's why we're holding the Super Bowl All-American halftime show.
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And tonight, I personally will be going to the state of New Jersey, going down to Wildwood, going down the shore,
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to hold a get-out-the-vote rally for Jack Cittarelli,
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who has an incredibly good chance of flipping New Jersey red.
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Of taking a state that no one thought it could be possible to win.
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But when you look at the return rates of the mail-in ballots right now,
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when you look at the momentum from 2024 and now in 2025, there is a real chance.
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And I thought, you know, what would Charlie do?
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What would Charlie do in a race like that, with everything on the line, the ability to win a governor's seat in a blue state?
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Myself, Benny Johnson, Scott Pressler, and of course, Cliff Maloney.
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You got the entire Pennsylvania team has now moved over to the New Jersey team.
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And we can take this fight all the way to Trenton and send a message to the entire world, the entire world, that we're still here, that we're still fighting, that these values, these ideals, these things that Charlie stood for, they matter, and that American values matter, and they will continue to matter.
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And so when you put that on a ballot, we are going to vote with our values.
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And the people of New Jersey have an incredible chance to send a repudiation to Washington, D.C., to this Kamala Harris of New Jersey.
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Jack Cittarelli, small business owner, guy who ran for office, guy who loves his state.
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He has the opportunity to be an incredible governor for New Jersey.
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And that's why we're putting our money where our mouth is.
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And we'll be there tonight in Wildwood, New Jersey.
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Very excited now to bring on our next guest, someone that I've been, I've been remiss for
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not having her on in, uh, you know, in a little while, but, and it's, it's, again, it's just
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Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite anti-communist, Evita Duffy joins us.
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And my gosh, I can't believe that today is one month since the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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Evita, tell us if you can, you know, look, I don't live on TikTok.
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What was it about the Charlie Kirk murder that was so shocking to Gen Z and even Gen Alpha,
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as people are reaching out to me? What was it about this? I mean, because I have people telling
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me that Charlie Kirk's murder is like the Gen Z 9-11.
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Well, that's a really accurate description, I would say, Jack. And it was funny after it
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happened, both of my parents started to watch all these old Charlie Kirk videos as like a lot of,
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you know, Gen X boomer Americans were trying to figure out who is this man? Like, why is there
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such an emotional reaction to it? And they fell in love with him and what he was preaching.
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But for Gen Zers and Gen Alpha, Charlie Kirk was like a friend in our lives. Or maybe he was,
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if you're a leftist, right, he's an annoyance in your daily life. But he was everywhere.
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He was all over social media. Not only was he all over social media, mega viral, but he was actually
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present physically on American college campuses. He's like a fixture of Gen Z politics and what we
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view the idea of political debate to be. So he was really somebody that a lot of people felt like
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they knew, even if they didn't. And so it was incredibly impactful on so many Americans' lives.
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And I think there's something, too, where, you know, Charlie was the kind of guy,
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he wasn't going to violent, you know, these riots. He wasn't covering them. He wasn't a citizen
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journalist, a street journalist type. I mean, he was a citizen organizer for sure. But I guess what
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I mean to say is that Charlie didn't go out seeking violence or anything like this. He would
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sit on campus and he would ask people to come and debate him and hold these discussions and they'd go
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back and forth on the issues. And he just, it was so shocking that, that no one ever expected it.
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And, you know, there had never been the sort of, you know, situation where Charlie had been,
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you know, you know, punched or someone would leap at him from the microphone stand or, you know,
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something like that. And I, you know, I've thought so many times, like, why couldn't it have just been
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one of those? And, but no, you know, the very first one where someone tries to do something like
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this on campus and, and this is what happened. Evita, I know it's early to say, but do you think
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that the rise of political violence, and I have to say it though, and I mentioned this to President
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Trump earlier this week, I specifically was making the point that on the left, on the far left,
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Well, Jack, I would, I would say that actually Gen Z is far right and far left. Like we, we,
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we've embraced both political extremes for better or for worse. And I, I, first of all,
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there's, there's the indoctrination of the college campuses. This is why Charlie Kirk was present on
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college campuses, because he understood that this is where the battle is at. This is where young
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people are being radicalized. Our institution, specifically the university system has been
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infiltrated by leftists, by radical Marxists for decades, and they are destroying the minds of
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American youth. There's also the element of social media and radical corners of the internet. You hear
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all about right-wing violence, right-wing extremism and radicalization. Hardly ever are we talking about
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left-wing radicalization. And it's true that there are massive and very deep, dark corners of the web
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where these people are living and, and, and, and growing this kind of radical sentiment. And I think
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that there is, I don't think it's a mistake that Charlie Kirk was the one who was targeted. I don't
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think it's a mistake that regular Americans on the street are targeted. Charlie Kirk was not
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inflammatory. Charlie Kirk was on college campuses. Yes, he was debating, but he was deeply respectful.
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He wasn't trying to have gotcha questions with the kids. He was trying to have a dialogue and radical
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leftists hate ordinary good people because they view them as complicit in the injustice of the system
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that they claim to be fighting. And so the victims of left-wing violence always are the good people.
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That's what I, that's what I concluded after Charlie Kirk died. He said, why, why wasn't it a radical,
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radical right-wing or somebody who's way far on the right, who's trying to enrage people? No,
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it was Charlie Kirk. And it makes sense why it was Charlie Kirk, because they always target Charlie
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Kirk's. No, and, and, and, and this is so, what's so clear. And, and Avita, you know,
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you first started coming on this show about, I don't know, two years ago now. And this is what we
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were talking about. We were talking about the rise of political violence in the United States.
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And we were specifically referencing the story that you had told about the Spanish civil war,
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your family's own history. I, I, I hate to say this, but did you ever really think that it would
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get this bad, that it would, that the parallels would be happening so directly to what happened
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almost a hundred years ago? You know what? No, I, I honestly, I've, I've been, well, here's what
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I'll say. I have been shocked by what I've seen over the last few years, but I was deeply scarred
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by BLM in 2020. I think a lot of young people were, I think that was a major turning point for
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a lot of people to turning point, of course, to, to turn to the political right, because on these
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college campuses and in major American cities, these radical leftists burned things down. And not
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only did they just burn buildings and loot stores, but they also tried to tear down our history.
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They attacked the essence of America. They attacked who we are as a people, our heritage.
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And this is what they always do. This is what they did during the Spanish civil war.
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They attacked the Catholic faith. They attacked the Spanish empire. This is what they do in Britain
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and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and any other country where leftists are trying to infiltrate
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the cultural identity of the nation. They tear down the true identity of the people. This is what
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they do. This is what they do every single time because the insanity that is a sickness that is real.
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It's spreading. President Trump, of course, held the round table a couple of days ago. Now,
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I, I was honored to be a small part of that along with people like, like my friend, Andy, no, my
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colleague, Katie Davis court, Savannah Hernandez, Jonathan Cho, so many people that have gone up
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against them in the past. But I do think though, Evita, that people seem to have this, this idea,
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maybe, maybe the wrong idea that this is something new when in fact it's not new. And that's one of
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the first things I said to the president was that this organization, this ideology,
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it's existed for over a hundred years. This is what led to the destabilization of the Weimar
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Republic. This is what led to the Spanish civil war. They were Bolsheviks. They were founded by
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the Bolsheviks as the international arm of communism. And it started in Europe and then it came to the
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United States. It's absolutely a foreign terrorist organization. And it's crazy to me to think that,
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you know, that people would even question that. Well, the worst part is that we're funding it,
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Jack. We are funding these schools that have carried on this tradition. It's even before the
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Weimar Republic where you have the French Revolution. And I think the through line for all of this,
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yes, they're trying to, you know, go against the proletariat or they have all these similar catch
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phrases, you know, the people are rising up, whatever it is. The through line, really,
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I think, Jack is a hatred of Christianity. It's a hatred of God himself. That is the real
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thing in common that they all have. They always go after the Christians. And people were making fun
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of conservatives for saying that Charlie Kirk is a martyr. He is a martyr. What really gets them,
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what really enrages them is not his commentary on taxes or foreign policy or even transgenderism,
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whatever it is. It's his Christian faith that is informing his views. And it's his Christian faith
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that truly enrages them and will drive a radical leftist to murder you. That is the essence of
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their ideology. It is a hatred of God himself. Well, it's a hatred of God because they hate God for
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creating them because ultimately, ultimately they hate themselves. They hate the world. They hate
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God for creating the world. They hate God for creating them. And so because they can't attack
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God directly, no one can. Lucifer tried and that didn't work out well for him.
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They attack God's creations. They attack life. They attack humanity. They are anti-humanity. And I wrote
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an entire book about this last year trying to unpack this ideology to explain to people that it's not
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about equality. It's not about social justice. It's not about seeking a better living standard for
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people. No, it's not about that at all. It is about tearing down. It is about destroying. It is about
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uglifying. And it is about corrupting. It is evil. It is the politicization and weaponization
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of envy, of sin. And that is what this Marxism, this godless, filthy communism turns people into.
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Evita Duffy, my favorite anti-communist, we are on with you. We're taking a quick break. We'll be
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right back here, Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily, because I want to ask Evita,
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why does the mainstream media keep covering this up? And do people still believe them? We'll be right back.
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anti-communist, Evita Duffy. Now, Evita, we're talking about the fact, and after we held that
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Antifa roundtable, I've heard media after media, places like The Guardian, Wired.com, CNN,
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so many others, they run around and they say, Antifa doesn't exist. Antifa's not real. They don't
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exist at all. And I threw out on the show yesterday, none have taken me up on this. I said,
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well, if you don't think they're real, then just come with me to Portland. Let's go to Portland
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together. We can walk in and we can even hold hands. I will hold their hand as we walk down the
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street outside the ICE facility. And we can decide, we can discern with our own two eyes and ears
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whether or not Antifa is real. None have taken me up on this, but Evita,
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what is it about the mainstream media that when it comes to, look, there's violent crime that happens
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all over the country. There's all sorts of, unfortunately, things that happen that are
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untoward in this country. Typically, when you're in media, they have this phrase that when it bleeds,
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it leads. Yet for some reason, this group, they continue to lie about. Why?
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Well, I'll say I also came face to face with Antifa. They were during the Kenosha BLM riots
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in Wisconsin. They bust themselves in from Portland and then burned down the city.
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So these are horrific people. Oftentimes, they're causing mayhem, not just in Portland,
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but other parts of the United States of America. They're completely a terror organization. The Trump
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admin is correct on that. And the reason why the left doesn't want to talk about Antifa is the same
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reason that I think Mao Zedong really loved his Red Guard. You want to have people who are,
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the enforcers who will do the dirty work of the radical left. It's not going to be Nancy Pelosi.
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It's not going to be, it's not going to be, you know, the hosts of MSNBC or CNN, but it is going
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to be Antifa. Now, the problem is they'll lose a lot of support. The left will lose a lot of support
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if we start to acknowledge the existence of Antifa. But what Antifa does is they exist to intimidate
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the political right, to intimidate regular Americans into left-wing orthodoxy. That's what they do.
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That is their purpose. And the mainstream left, the normal people, so we say, actually really
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like them because that's what they want. They want all of us scared into silence and submission.
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And how is the mainstream media's credibility favored over the last couple of years where
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they refuse to cover certain things because it doesn't help one side of the aisle?
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I think the American people have realized, Jack, and this is so clear with the rise of podcasting
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and other forms of media, that they lie to us constantly. There's an agenda with a lot of these
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left-wing corporate media organizations. They say, oh, we're unbiased and all we care about is the facts
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and we have these extensive processes to get the information out to you. It's a lie. There's a narrative.
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There's a line to be said. And the person who's in front of the camera is not necessarily giving you
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everything that they think or believe or that they know. There is a corporate signal. There is a group
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think that exists in these corporations. And the American people can see it because they lie to our
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faces about things like Antifa, which we can see with our own eyes. And social media has played a huge
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role in this, Jack, because you can go out to Portland, take a video of it, and show us Antifa. We don't
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need CNN and MSNBC, MSNBC to give us that information. We have it already and we can
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prove that they're liars. No, we can prove they're liars. The Pew studies have come down
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again and again saying people are sick of it. They're done. And Evita, this is so clear because
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when you look at, you know, millennials, when you look at Gen Z, when you look at Gen Alpha,
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they didn't grow up on TV, did they? They grew up on YouTube. They grew up on Snapchat. They're growing
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up on TikTok. They aren't, you know, sitting in front of a certain channel every once in a while
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and, like, watching, you know, paid news. They go directly where the truth is straight up the
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round. Yeah, well, and they have to. I mean, this is what the American people have had to resort to
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doing because, again, the left-wing media, the corporate media, has completely abandoned any
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semblance of integrity and the truth. I always laugh, Jack, when we see these articles come out
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from the corporate media about the fear of AI and nobody can tell what the truth is anymore or
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extremist podcasters who aren't telling the truth. They don't have all the information that we have.
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And it's ridiculous. They've torched their own credibility. They continue to do that. And so I
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don't really care. I mean, I do care about AI. But at one point, I have to say, what would I rather
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do? Try and find my own information from people that I really trust, individuals from primary sources
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on social media, live as it happens? Or would I rather trust you and the corporate media who has lied to
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me over and over again? And the answer is, no, I do not trust them.
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No, we can't trust them. And this is why. And by the way, when you when you've made your bed like
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that, they've done nothing to try to pick up the next generation. They've done nothing to try to win
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over new viewers. And eventually there is going to be this generational shift that we're already
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seeing. We're already seeing the generational shift in real time where people are checking out.
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People are completely checking out. Final word to you last minute, Evita Duffy, and make sure to
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tell everyone where to follow you. A signal of their desperation is that a lot of these
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organizations are taking part in in third party groups to try and literally bankrupt conservative
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alt media companies. It is disgusting. It is wrong. And that's a sign that they are desperate and
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losing. My social media is Evita Duffy underscore one on Instagram and on X.
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little bit more about the culture war and what we are doing to be able to fight it. Right back,
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And Jack, where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
00:27:23.000
Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always
00:27:28.320
talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who'll be getting
00:27:33.280
publicists. All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back. Human events daily. Real America's voice.
00:27:43.060
We're talking about culture. We're talking about getting involved in the culture war. And earlier
00:27:46.740
this week, we announced over at Turning Point USA that we have taken this completely insane idea
00:27:52.900
that I had to hold a counter halftime halftime show, an all-American halftime show by Turning
00:28:01.740
Point USA. And we're going to be doing it. We are going to be holding it come this February 8th.
00:28:07.300
You can go over to AmericanHalftimeShow.com to get more information on that. And we're also,
00:28:15.380
by the way, talking about what else we can do to get involved in the culture war, to fight back for
00:28:20.560
pro-American culture, but also to fight back against leftist culture. And for so long, we complain
00:28:26.560
about it. We whine about it. We say, oh, I can't believe they're doing this. I can't believe we're
00:28:32.240
doing that. And the same thing with this Bad Bunny guy. So I said, fine, let's do our own. Let's
00:28:35.980
literally do our own. Well, someone who's joining us right now is doing his own as well. His name
00:28:41.980
is Seamus Coughlin. He joins us today. Seamus, how are you, brother?
00:28:47.120
Great to be back. Always a pleasure to talk to you, man. I'm honestly doing great. The crowdfunding campaign
00:28:52.040
for the new show we're putting together is off to a very, very strong start. I've just been
00:28:56.300
overwhelmed by the outpouring of support we've gotten from people and seeing how many positively
00:29:01.940
minded conservative people want to reshape culture, want to help break apart the dominant
00:29:08.120
media culture's monopoly over story and entertainment. I am really pumped up here,
00:29:13.220
man. I'm very optimistic about the future. So talk to us a little bit about what you've done
00:29:19.220
Freedom Tunes. And so what, and for people who, let's say there's people in the audience that
00:29:24.020
don't even know what that is, who you are, obviously you've got a huge platform, but give
00:29:29.720
us a little bit about what brought you to want to make Freedom Tunes and then how did that turn
00:29:35.260
into the new show? Yeah, great question. So I started Freedom Tunes when I was 19 years old. I began a
00:29:42.060
small business in animation production when I was 18. And then when I was around 19, I just started
00:29:46.740
posting short animations that I made about politics to my YouTube channel in my spare time.
00:29:51.720
And eventually it started picking up traction. And so I began investing more time and energy into
00:29:55.940
that. And then by the time I finished college, we were pulling in enough money with Freedom Tunes and
00:30:02.680
with the political work that I was doing for political clients for me to be able to make a
00:30:06.460
living off of it. And then I was also able to start to hire a small crew. And so Freedom Tunes has just
00:30:10.940
grown from there. It's 11 years since I started it and we've amassed a million subscribers.
00:30:16.220
We've made over 600 videos. We have a quarter of a billion views. And I'm proud to say that I've
00:30:20.780
done all of that. We've done all of that with zero dollars spent on marketing. I just have an amazing
00:30:25.040
team and an extremely loyal audience. And one thing many of us have noticed is while the right wing
00:30:32.000
is great at making documentaries and probably over the past two decades, the right has done a better
00:30:37.500
job countering the left in the news space and building out news platforms such as this one.
00:30:42.400
One thing that we have not been quite as strong at is building out entertaining content.
00:30:47.280
So after 11 years of consistently churning out these entertaining comedy videos that people seem
00:30:52.960
to really enjoy, we've decided we want to take this to the next level. And we want to make a 22 minute to
00:30:58.380
25 minute long show each episode being 22 to 25 minutes long. And we're going to do a five episode
00:31:04.380
season. It's like it's an animated anthology series. Each episode tackles a completely different
00:31:10.260
story. The audience reception we've already gotten back from our first episode has been
00:31:15.000
extremely positive people who donate to our crowdfunding campaign to fund the show twisted
00:31:20.120
plots.com. They get at the $25 level, a preview of our pilot, they get to watch the full 25 minute
00:31:26.200
long thing. And the feedback has just been very encouraging. People are really enjoying it.
00:31:31.620
And the success of our crowdfunding campaign so far has been sending a clear message, which is that
00:31:36.820
people want grassroots content, which promotes their values instead of spreading contempt for them in
00:31:44.180
their way of life. It's really, really simple. But, you know, we talk about this kind of stuff. We talk
00:31:52.920
about, you know, what's it like? And, you know, it's I got to say to, you know, even though to Charlie,
00:31:59.520
right, one of the last things that, that we got to do, you know, the last big things, I guess,
00:32:06.660
was this South Park episode, right? Where South Park, it was kind of, you know, they were, I guess
00:32:12.440
they attempted it as a parody of Charlie, but he totally leaned in and he loved it. And he embraced
00:32:16.840
it. I saw that. I didn't know him personally, but I saw those videos. I thought he handled that
00:32:20.780
perfectly. So he, yeah, so he actually, he, he like, I remember when it happened, he was, you know,
00:32:26.940
we're in the group chat together and he, he hits us up and he goes, he goes, guys, what do you think
00:32:30.760
about this? We're like, dude, it's great. It's great. He's like, should I, no, he's like, because
00:32:34.180
I kind of like it. And I was like, no, you tell people you like it, you know, just, just say that,
00:32:38.320
just go with that. Don't, don't turn into a few, just laugh along with it. So we, we even did an
00:32:43.180
episode. We did like a live stream where we sort of did a, you know, legally we couldn't do a watch
00:32:48.340
along, but we did sort of like a live reaction to it. And he, he thought it was the funniest thing.
00:32:55.040
He said, you know, this is what it's all about. This is what it's about becoming part of the
00:32:59.640
culture. And it's, you know, obviously horrifying that, you know, just a couple of weeks after that,
00:33:05.100
hanging out, you know, watching South Park with my buddy, that that's, you know, what happened to
00:33:09.600
him. But it, it, it's something where it shows that a show like that South Park becoming so iconic,
00:33:17.740
something that people use as a touchstone that sets culture, that sets opinions. And that
00:33:22.300
eventually trickles down. This is what Breitbart taught us. This is what trickles down into our
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politics. And yet so many times conservatives have tried to do this and, you know, well intentions,
00:33:33.540
of course, but it hasn't been great because I think when we were on Tim cast the other day,
00:33:37.740
you said it, it's like, you know, a lot of conservative content is like someone just shows
00:33:41.340
up on screen and starts lecturing. And I'm like, I'm so glad that you don't do that.
00:33:46.020
No, I appreciate that. And that's actually been a really important rule that we've had with
00:33:50.360
freedom tunes. Freedom tunes is much more explicitly political, but the entertainment
00:33:54.320
and the jokes come first. We want to be able to lampoon things and parody things in a way
00:33:57.860
that someone can genuinely laugh at it and not just go, I agree with that and clap along because
00:34:03.200
it's pandering to them. And so I didn't, uh, just to touch on what you said, I didn't know
00:34:08.740
Charlie Kirk. I met him once. He did a nice interaction, very pleasant guy, but being able to
00:34:14.640
laugh at yourself is a real show of character and being a good sport about a cartoon being made
00:34:20.180
about you is a really good show of character. I think it's important for us on the right to be
00:34:24.700
able to show that we, as a movement can actually claim the high ground, not just of economics,
00:34:31.180
not just with respect to our knowledge of how political systems work, uh, and, and not even
00:34:36.360
just necessarily with the culture, but just the ability to have fun, the ability to laugh at
00:34:40.460
ourselves, the ability to make really entertaining stuff. Yeah, exactly. And the idea that you can make
00:34:46.880
something entertaining, something that people are going to like, and that's, by the way,
00:34:49.860
that's what Charlie was doing with his campus tours. He was making culture for Gen Z for even
00:34:56.680
Gen Alpha, which I, I didn't even kind of understand prior to, uh, you know, prior to what happened prior
00:35:03.020
to his murder, because there's so many people who say, this is what, you know, this is cultural.
00:35:07.540
It became a cultural thing. And, and now people sharing it and people, you know, aren't necessarily
00:35:13.480
saying, Oh, look at these debate clips. They're saying, listen to what he talked about with his
00:35:17.740
wife. Listen, we talked about, about marriage. Listen to what he talked about, about faith.
00:35:22.900
Listen to what he talked about, about health. These are all cultural topics, not political.
00:35:28.320
I believe that Dr. George Barna did a study on this a while ago. I had the pleasure of interviewing
00:35:32.740
him on my, my podcast a while back, but he was explaining the, I believe this was a study that he did.
00:35:38.760
And basically what they found was unsurprisingly children get just a vast majority of their
00:35:44.460
understanding of how the world works from media. They're more likely to adopt a belief that they've
00:35:49.060
seen in media than they are to adopt a belief that they'd heard from their parents or even heard in
00:35:52.100
church or heard at school. People forget how important the cultural aspect of these things are.
00:35:57.100
Again, I think it's really important to do news shows. I think it's really important to do
00:35:59.920
documentaries, but the way people have learned things historically is through story. Story has been
00:36:04.800
a way that we've passed on our collective memories to younger people into the next generation.
00:36:09.800
And for the past several decades, what we've been allowing, and I believe I'm paraphrasing Mr. Rogers
00:36:14.100
here actually, but what we've been allowing is for complete strangers to come into our homes to teach
00:36:19.000
our children, which is totally insane. And to allow complete strangers to come into our home
00:36:22.720
to teach us. Why would you want that? Why would you want your entertainment to be made by people
00:36:27.420
who literally hate you, literally hate your values? We were chatting about this on the show the other day,
00:36:32.800
but George Lucas acknowledged that when he made Star Wars, he was basing the resistance off of
00:36:39.840
the communists in Vietnam, which is insane. I mean, the communists literally murdered Catholic
00:36:45.200
children. These were horrible, horrible people. I understand that communists did a very good job
00:36:49.320
taking over academia in the United States. So you don't hear a lot about this and people don't
00:36:52.880
recognize the atrocities that were committed by these communist fighters and by the Viet Cong.
00:36:57.040
But this is how much contempt the people who have made your media have for you. And it's not just limited
00:37:03.180
to people like that. And it's not just limited to media like that. Even a film like Titanic, we've talked
00:37:08.800
about this before. This is a film which is one of the highest grossing romance films of all time. And it's just
00:37:14.920
promoting adultery. It's promoting cheating. It's a very horrible story. If you just laid out that story in black
00:37:21.160
and white, people would say, I don't like this woman. But because James Cameron is a true master
00:37:27.440
of his craft, and you have to give him that he's very, very good at what he does. You watch that film
00:37:32.020
and you sympathize with a person who's doing really bad things. And it makes you root for a person who's
00:37:37.700
doing really bad things. So what I believe we have to do as conservatives is we have to make media that
00:37:43.040
gets people to root for good things that teaches people the moral lesson that you want to be a good
00:37:48.700
person. You're not going to get away with being a bad person because no one gets away with anything.
00:37:52.520
Quick break, Seamus. Right back because this is straight fire, especially on a Friday.
00:37:57.060
Human Events Daily, Rural America Voice continues.
00:38:10.980
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
00:38:15.960
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
00:38:20.520
And we're going to turn it around and make our country cry to get to you. Amen.
00:38:27.780
All right, folks. Jack Pesopic, here we are back at Human Events Daily. We're on with Seamus
00:38:31.380
Coughlin. And Seamus, I love what you were just saying there. And it's this story about how
00:38:36.180
there's what we put in our stories. And the stories that we tell are the stories that we believe.
00:38:43.360
And the stories that we focus on are the stories that shape our culture. It used to be that,
00:38:48.780
especially in Western civilization, that story was the story of Jesus Christ. And that story was
00:38:53.360
Christ who descended from heaven, who came from the Father to Mary, was born in Bethlehem,
00:39:03.920
suffered, died, and was resurrected. I'm doing the creed now. And that was the central touchstone,
00:39:12.320
though, for all of Western civilization until about the 1960s. And in the 1960s, that's when
00:39:19.220
this counterculture really first rose its head up. And then the generations that were born after that,
00:39:26.480
so if you're born in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or today, suddenly you're born in a world where Jesus Christ
00:39:32.500
is not the center of our civilization. And yet, it wasn't something that was forced on people ever
00:39:39.720
before. It was just normalized. It was normalized because that's who we were in the West. The idea
00:39:46.280
that in the 1950s, the Three Crosses of Calvary would be up across the skyline of New York City
00:39:51.860
was completely normal. And nobody had a problem with it whatsoever. Why? Because that was just
00:39:56.940
the dominant culture. And that is our historic culture. Yet, the revolutionaries who got in,
00:40:01.940
and the cultural Marxists who got in in the 60s, immediately started by pushing God out of the public
00:40:07.260
square. And that's why I've always said one of my favorite examples of this, of fighting back
00:40:12.880
against this, I should say, is another cartoon, man. It's the Charlie Brown Christmas special,
00:40:18.780
Peanuts. You know, just the fact that Charles Schultz, in the 1960s, in the face of all of that
00:40:25.000
that was going on, went to, and I believe it was CBS, and went to them and said, I am going to have
00:40:30.160
Linus speak the gospel when Charlie Brown asks what the true story of Christmas is. And he got all this
00:40:36.480
pushback from distributors, et cetera. And he said, look, if we don't do it, who will? And God bless
00:40:41.180
him. God bless him for doing that. And that's what it's all about, man. Yeah, Charles Schultz is a
00:40:46.240
massive inspiration to me. And just to show people how far our culture has fallen, part of the reason
00:40:52.180
it was so controversial at the time to have that part of the gospel quoted in the Charlie Brown
00:40:56.320
Christmas special is because people saw animation and cartooning as too vulgar a medium. And by vulgar,
00:41:03.580
I just mean at the level of the common and not sacred, they thought it was too flippant a medium
00:41:09.660
to actually have the Bible quoted like that. Oh my goodness, how far we have fallen as a culture.
00:41:16.200
Now, I don't share the belief that it was bad for him to quote scriptures in that Christmas special.
00:41:21.860
I think it's beautiful. I think it's taught a lot of children about the Bible. There's probably a lot
00:41:25.700
of kids who that's the only Bible verse they've ever heard, right? So it's a beautiful thing.
00:41:29.920
And one thing we have to remember about God is he is the ultimate author. I love telling stories. And
00:41:37.040
every time we create anything, anything good, we're participating in God's creativity to an
00:41:42.140
extent. He made us to create. He made us to co-create with him. And often when we're making arguments for
00:41:47.940
God, we'll say, well, look at this physical thing in the world that really exists. How could that have
00:41:51.880
come from nothing? And that's an important and compelling argument. But also think about the story
00:41:56.840
of reality, the story of history. It's so beautiful. It's so crazy. It's come together
00:42:02.400
in such beautiful ways. There has to have been an author. And I think the authors told a beautiful
00:42:07.980
story. And I believe the better a story is, the more it aligns with the grand story that God has
00:42:15.160
already told and is telling. The story that he's currently telling. If you have a truthful story
00:42:21.040
where you're just trying to portray the world as it is, I firmly believe Catholic values are going
00:42:27.060
to come through very strongly in that. You're going to get good Christ-centered values in that
00:42:32.680
because he is the truth. He is the way. He is the life. So you don't have to put this ham-fisted
00:42:38.660
preaching in a lot of the content. When you watch the cartoons that we're doing, you'll notice there
00:42:43.520
isn't a lot of verbalizing of these concepts because the story tells itself in such a way that you get
00:42:50.460
the message. And that was how Christ taught many times, by telling parables. And so we as conservatives
00:42:56.160
live in an era where we have the largest possible infrastructure for spreading stories in the most
00:43:03.220
emotionally impactful way. And we have to do something about that. And that's what I'm trying
00:43:08.820
to do. I've got an incredible team. They are extremely talented people. They're some of the hardest
00:43:14.100
working animators in the industry right now because we've been churning out one, sometimes two cartoons
00:43:18.340
every week, which for those who don't know, animation is really a lot. And I believe we
00:43:22.980
are prepared to move to the next level, make longer content, create this show, which is going to spread
00:43:27.820
good moral values. And once this is finished and it's a success, it's also going to allow us to
00:43:33.040
move on to bigger things, to create movies, more television shows, and to continue the fight in
00:43:38.560
this culture war with the most effective weapon we have, which is media. It is the most effective
00:43:43.880
weapon because of the power of story. Look at how we used story, the stories of an individual
00:43:49.860
towns, you know, you know, you know, townsmen of the people of Springfield, Ohio, those individual
00:43:57.580
stories, taking that all the way to the national level with the Haitians in the 2024 election and
00:44:05.080
President Trump telling that story in a, in his, you know, typical graphic and very, very strong use of
00:44:11.980
imagery, the way that he speaks. But, but it's, it's very much true that it, this is the power of
00:44:17.320
story. It's why politicians do this from time to time, that they, we use the power of story because
00:44:22.340
when you're telling a story, it psychologically, you know, sort of bypasses those defenses and by
00:44:27.800
when, when you're arguing, right, your defenses or when you're doing the Charlie Kirk thing and
00:44:31.900
okay, we're in a debate. Oh my gosh, we're in a debate. Actually, there was a moment where I'm going
00:44:37.280
to mention this, where JD Vance, one of the most incredible things that he did on, on a public
00:44:42.140
stage, you've never seen a Republican do this before in the vice presidential debate. And people
00:44:45.940
kind of forget about it because they sleep on it, where he said, you know, I have a friend back home
00:44:51.360
who had an abortion and everybody knows JD Vance's background and the power of him, his story. And
00:44:57.220
he's written that story all the way to the highest heights and overcome everything, absolute nightmare
00:45:03.140
of a childhood to be able to do that. And total repudiation of everything the left says you need
00:45:08.000
to do. But he said, I have a friend back home who had an abortion and I want to say to her right now,
00:45:13.860
I love you. You're still my friend. And it just, it just destroyed the entire argument about,
00:45:22.020
about conservatives and Christians. I really think so. And he used the power of story to do that.
00:45:26.680
Well, and cause you, and you don't love someone if you don't call them to repentance,
00:45:29.880
which is why the people who are saying abortion is good, actually hate the people who have had
00:45:33.840
abortions in their heart because they don't want them to repent and receive God's forgiveness.
00:45:38.740
And that's why I should also mention, I mentioned earlier that our most powerful tool is story.
00:45:44.140
Let me add a caveat there, a slight correction. Our most powerful tool is prayer.
00:45:49.500
Story, I would say is the second most important tool. Media is the second most important tool in this
00:45:54.020
fight, but it's very important. And I want to mention this. I think you're totally right.
00:45:58.540
You can quote a lot of statistical information about the issues. And even if the stats are
00:46:04.760
heterodox, you're probably not going to get in that much trouble. But when you start telling stories
00:46:10.760
that upset their narrative, that's when they get really, really upset with you. And that's why the
00:46:16.380
media has chosen which crimes they were going to cover over the years, which story was going to be
00:46:20.420
a high profile case when one person was hurt by another person, whether it was going to fit their
00:46:25.240
narrative about race, about religion, about politics. And you can quote all the stats you want
00:46:31.300
about those issues and how what the left tries to represent the reality as with this myth, this lie
00:46:36.880
that white Christian men are the most violent people on the planet. You can counter that with stats
00:46:42.180
all you want. And that might make them a little angry. But when you tell stories that disprove their
00:46:47.200
narrative, when you shed light on real things that have happened that people can relate to at the
00:46:51.440
interpersonal level, that's when they really get upset because they know stories powerful.
00:46:56.620
Why do you think we call it a political narrative?
00:46:59.280
Seamus, we're just about out of time. Tell people where they can go to follow you and to get access
00:47:05.820
Yes, please go to twistedplots.com. If what I'm saying is resonating with you and you want to help
00:47:09.860
us make this, go to twistedplots.com. If you donate at the $25 level, you'll be able to watch our full
00:47:14.960
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00:47:20.360
because you can't afford it, please share the link, twistedplots.com. And please pray for us.
00:47:25.440
Please pray for us. I appreciate all the prayers. God bless all of you.
00:47:29.040
Amen to that. Prayers are our most powerful weapon.
00:47:35.280
Story a second. And media follows through with all of that. Seamus, thank you so much for joining us
00:47:40.120
here today on the program. Folks, I will see you in New Jersey in just a couple of hours. Be there,
00:47:46.860
the Seaport Pier tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission