00:00:52.800Today, Senator Cornyn reversed a long-held position in hopes of getting one of the president's priorities passed.
00:00:59.800As Senate Republicans push the president to back Cornyn, President Donald Trump is pressuring them to pass the Save America Act.
00:01:07.200It would require proof of citizenship and a photo ID to vote in federal elections, and now goes beyond voting, targeting transgender rights.
00:01:15.400It's the most popular bill I've ever seen put before Congress.
00:01:18.740Paxton says he'd consider dropping out of the runoff if Senate Republicans abolish the filibuster, the 60-vote threshold to pass a bill.
00:01:26.660Cornyn has long supported the filibuster.
00:01:28.580It's one of the few tools the minority party has to fight bills, but he announced a change of heart in an op-ed Wednesday,
00:01:35.020writing he'll support whatever changes the Senate rules may prove necessary.
00:01:38.780This morning, Congress appears no closer to reaching a deal to fund the Homeland Security Department.
00:01:43.180That means a partial shutdown drags on, affecting workers like TSA agents during a busy spring break travel season,
00:01:50.780along with cybersecurity agents and Coast Guard personnel.
00:01:54.460One new proposal from Democrats would have funded nearly all homeland security agencies except for immigration enforcement.
00:02:01.660But Republicans are demanding all agencies be funded.
00:02:04.560New reporting just coming in of a warning to law enforcement in California from the FBI that Iran could retaliate against U.S. strikes by launching drones at the West Coast.
00:02:17.700Two oil tankers on fire in the Persian Gulf, forcing Iraq to suspend oil operations.
00:03:20.580And big questions about the United States right now.
00:03:23.800What is the biggest threat to the United States?
00:03:26.460What is the biggest threat that we face?
00:03:29.940Could it be potentially the rise of radical Islam?
00:03:34.500Could it be perhaps the threat where we had an ISIS attack in New York City just a couple of days ago?
00:03:40.000Could it, in fact, be the massive invasion that's going on inside America's shores right now,
00:03:46.480where millions upon millions of foreigners with third world backgrounds, with radical ties,0.75
00:03:53.900like we saw again out of Pennsylvania, Newtown, Pennsylvania, like we've been talking about all week,0.89
00:03:58.860have come into this country, both in some cases on a, you know, a thin legal basis and in other
00:04:06.400cases on a completely illegal basis. Could perhaps the biggest threat in America today be
00:04:12.360the rise of leftist violence, the type of leftist violence which has attempted to kill President
00:04:17.620Trump more times than we can even count, including multiple direct assassination attempts? Or could
00:04:24.440Even, by the way, also attempts on J.D. Vance that, by the way, there was an attempt.
00:04:29.980There was a third assassination attempt on President Trump just a couple of weeks ago where someone scaled the wall of Mar-a-Lago, got in with a gas can and a shotgun and was trying to either kill the president or burn down Mar-a-Lago or both.
00:04:46.680The same type of leftist violence, of course, as we know, just six months ago, resulted in the murder of Charlie Kirk, one of the most important conservative figures in the entire country, my friend, and someone who certainly, certainly did not deserve what happened.
00:05:07.340So all of those are great threats to the United States right now.
00:05:11.960Now, Senator Ted Cruz the other day tweeted out that he thought the greatest threat, in fact, was a guy named Tucker Carlson.
00:05:19.820And to which I responded, you know, there was an ISIS attack just a couple of days ago in New York City.
00:05:25.260And I just I think that there's really, really important things that are going on in this country that we don't have to worry about podcasts and drama and social media things where we could actually just focus on those direct transgender shooters all over the place.0.56
00:05:41.380that perhaps we could focus on those things and actually get something done about the violence
00:05:46.640that's incurring that's occurred on American people, especially against conservatives like
00:05:52.400President Trump, like Charlie Kirk and his family, like J.D. Vance and his family and so many
00:05:57.020countless others, as well as these transgender shooters, which, again, they seemingly target
00:06:02.060schools predominantly, but also many other areas, hockey matches, for example. And then Ted Cruz
00:06:09.180attacked me, saying that I'm anti-Trump now because of what I said and that I'm apparently
00:06:16.240pro-Iran and pro-Hamas and pro-Mandami. I mean, the only time I've ever met Mandami was when I
00:06:22.760confronted him to his face in the Oval Office over his anti-white policies. And so here's my
00:06:28.840question for Senator Cruz. Senator, number one, you know, can you find any example of me doing
00:06:34.540these things that you claim that I've done, which obviously aren't true, but more to the point,
00:06:38.740Why are you so worried about social media? Is social media taking up so much of your time?
00:06:44.560If you want to be an influencer, Senator, then by all means, go ahead and be an influencer.
00:06:49.520But you're not. You're a senator sitting in the United States Senate representing the people of Texas.
00:06:56.480And as such, where's the Save Act? Where's the Save America Act that President Trump has talked about?
00:07:02.860Ted Cruz hasn't even tweeted about the Save Act in a month.
00:07:06.640I just checked. It has been a month since Ted Cruz tweeted about the SAVE Act.
00:07:11.280If you're going to be an influencer, maybe you could actually focus on the things
00:07:14.880that the president has put at the top of the agenda, Senator.
00:07:18.840Basic common sense, I certainly thought.
00:07:21.580We'll be right back here on Human Events.
00:07:28.320Stand in our way and our golden age has just begun.
00:07:32.040This is Human Events with Jack Posobo.
00:07:33.680Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means.
00:07:38.420Welcome to the second American revolution.
00:07:45.600All right, Jack Kosovic, we are back live human events daily here.
00:07:50.320Real America's voice, folks, let me tell you something.
00:07:53.100One in three people will face a battle with cancer.
00:11:22.900I have been following this, you know, a little bit with hands off until the last week or so.
00:11:30.260And I was kind of dragged into this race because one of John Cornyn's staff has decided to attack me late one night on X.
00:11:37.840And I thought to myself, all right, you know, if you want the smoke, you're going to get the smoke.
00:11:42.880And sure enough, they have found themselves on the receiving end of a lot of our reporting as a result of it.0.91
00:11:49.960The fascinating thing for me about this race is that, and I've tweeted this, it's a direction of travel competition here.
00:12:01.180This is as important, if not more important, and Dave Bratt just texted me about this, in fact,
00:12:06.640Then that infamous Bratt versus Cantor Tea Party versus Establishment GOP race of 2014, right, where Dave Bratt, kind of nobody had heard of before, deposed a House majority leader in Eric Lenter.
00:12:23.600And it really set the stage. It laid the foundation for the Trump, the MAGA phenomenon that came just, you know, started about 18 months to 24 months in earnest later.
00:12:38.540You know, John Cornyn, even if you like John Cornyn, which I've yet to find anybody, honestly, if you like John Cornyn and you're out there and you're listening to this, please send me a message on social media, on Truth Social or X or whatever, because I've yet to meet a real person that actually likes John Cornyn.
00:13:00.660I know a lot of people who might tolerate John Cornyn, but if you look at his career, his trajectory, his history, his voting record, the way he treats his own constituents, the way he thinks about America, the way he thinks about the America First agenda, all of it, all of it is the wrong direction of travel.
00:13:21.400You know, his team will say, oh, but he votes with the president 97% of the time.
00:13:26.400Most of what they include in that statistic are procedural votes.
00:13:34.620Then you've got Ken Paxton, on the other hand, who, whatever his faults, by the way,
00:13:40.080and I don't think he's ever come into this race saying, you know, I'm an infallible man,
00:13:46.060has actually stood by the president, has litigated for the president,
00:13:50.200has stood with him in the courtrooms when the president was being persecuted before the last
00:13:56.580election. Ken Paxton is, as you say, a man of action. And now I follow this race quite intently
00:14:05.220because the people who have always tried to lead President Trump astray, people like Chris
00:14:11.860Lassevita, are the consultants now for John Corning. They've taken the money that you think,
00:14:19.420ladies and gentlemen, when you click those donation links and emails or text messages or
00:14:24.140whatever it is, you think that money is going in to support the president or to support the GOP
00:14:28.480agenda in the Senate. They took $100 million of that money and they spent it against Ken Paxton
00:14:33.760in the primary. That was your money. That was donor money that was spent there to prop up Chris
00:14:40.440Lasavita's clients. These people, you take another one of them, Matt Makoviak, comms director for
00:14:46.780John Cornyn, has tweeted the most abhorrent things about President Trump over the years,
00:14:52.160nasty things, has tweeted about how much he loves George Floyd, tried to pitch me at the National
00:14:57.240Pulse, a pro-George Floyd op-ed in 2021. He got roundly rejected on that. And then I just saw last
00:15:05.460week John Cornyn's former political director referring to Ken Paxton voter as trailer park0.86
00:15:12.380trash where have we heard that kind of rhetoric before oh that's right the basket of deplorables
00:15:18.440um so this race really is extremely important even if you even if you don't really like ken
00:15:26.360paxton himself you have to like ken paxton the trajectory the direction of travel um because
00:15:33.860if we go the wrong way on this in texas you know for everybody living in texas right now
00:15:38.740You have a race now that has been turned into a national referendum on the Save America Act,
00:15:43.940thanks to what Ken Paxton did last week, where he said, look, if they want to pass this thing,
00:15:48.340I will step down. You want to take on the talking filibuster or you want to abolish
00:15:52.180the filibuster, and then I will fall on my sword in this race to make that happen.
00:15:58.800Well, we're waiting, right? We're waiting. And John Cornyn's all over the place on the
00:16:02.940filibuster is all over the place on the save america act um and texas texians you need to
00:16:09.080understand um that you it is now in your gift like it was for virginians with brat and canter
00:16:16.040about the direction of travel for this entire movement and for the country
00:16:19.800well and and you look at that race that 2014 race i mean look at the timing of it where
00:16:27.380this was one of those things in sort of the Tea Party era that was the birth of populism.
00:16:33.960This was one of the things that set the stage and set the table for what you did over in the
00:16:40.920UK in terms of Brexit. What we saw, by the way, and I always throw this in law and justice in
00:16:47.060Poland, you know, this populist center right party taking over and then eventually Donald
00:16:52.100jay trump coming to what many people thought was a surprise victory yet if you look at all of these
00:16:59.080data points prior to it like that eric canter dave bratt race uh the picking off of a house
00:17:05.560majority leader a member of leadership that these elements and these currents were always there
00:17:11.420yeah and jack if you don't mind me saying i don't mean this is an insult or whatever i know how it's
00:17:17.560this out. This was before you were even involved, right? Like, I was still, I was still in the
00:17:22.560military. I was still, you know, doing intel community stuff back then. You know, I'd sort
00:17:27.020of checked out of politics after my college Republican days, because I was like, this is,
00:17:31.000this isn't going anywhere. But let me tell you, you know, I was in those rooms on Capitol Hill
00:17:36.600in those years, in 2013, in 2014, and in 2015, where we would gather, you know, a few of us,
00:17:44.560Just just a handful of us. And those handful included people like Steve Bannon, Dave Brat, Laura Ingram, Nigel Farage, you know, and myself, a couple of others, Matt Boyle, a couple of others.
00:17:58.660um and and we would Stephen Miller we were charting a course we were we were we were trying
00:18:05.300to put together the idea of a trajectory that would end us with a presidency like that of Donald
00:18:12.600J Trump's and you know there are certain things that I take uh issue with um that I think are non
00:18:19.060you know not what we wanted back then in terms of trajectory um but by and large I think most
00:18:25.740Americans, most right-headed Americans, most right-headed conservatives, most right-headed
00:18:29.960people who put America first, are desperately, desperately pleased that that all happened.
00:18:36.140The same thing with Brexit, by the way. No matter how it was mishandled in the years after 2016,
00:18:42.060most people, I think, are actually happy that we threw off the yoke of Brussels and the European
00:18:46.400Union. And this is just as important as that. Exactly right. Rahim Kassam, we're coming up
00:18:53.420a quick break i want to pick your mind on this some more because this is this is everything this
00:18:58.140is the whole ball game that we're talking about here it's so much bigger than just one challenge
00:19:04.300in one primary it is about as you say the state of the movement and the direction of travel right
00:19:10.140back human events daily real narcos voice influences these are influences and they're
00:19:21.180They're friends of mine, Jack Posobiec.
00:19:50.640We're talking about sort of the direction of play, the direction of travel of the movement.
00:19:56.060And Rahim, you know, this is one of those things where, you know, a lot of people and there's this Axios report now saying that there's going to be a de-emphasis on mass deportations that's been going out.
00:20:09.720And, you know, we haven't seen a real direct response to that from the president yet.
00:20:16.040I expect that he would probably take issue with it if it if it came up, because he certainly said said quite the opposite.
00:20:23.060It's so many of his rallies. Yet there is this real question, I think, going on right now.
00:20:28.040And I do think that that's one of the reasons that Senator Cruz is is, you know, popping off a bit where there's this sort of sense that the pre 2016 GOP wants to reassert itself.
00:20:40.920Whereas the the Trump GOP, the MAGA GOP, the new right, the populist right, not only has it been ascendant, but those are the people that would flood the ballot boxes for Ken Paxton against James Tallarico.
00:20:57.720They would absolutely come out because they view Paxton for, you know, and they're not calling him some angel or something.
00:21:21.700Or the jury is, of course, unresponsive on 2020, though, of course, we know what happened there.
00:21:29.940So talk us through a little bit more of this.
00:21:32.180What would you like to see in terms of the movement?
00:21:35.160Because it seems as though there's this dissension about what the direction is.
00:21:40.400Yeah, and it's a conversation that I've wanted to have since 2016.
00:21:49.040You'll probably remember I used to sort of run around the Trump Hotel lobby in Washington, D.C., telling people that, you know,
00:21:56.100we needed to found a populist nationalist think tank that was able to create and train new talent and act as a clearinghouse for this sort of thing.
00:22:08.320Otherwise, they're just going to sort of wait us out and the establishment is going to come back with a bit of a vengeance.
00:22:14.180And unfortunately, we've been pretty poor about training up a next generation of fighters to take on the likes of John Cornyn and so forth.
00:25:15.240You start to see a lot of OG MAGA people getting attacked,
00:25:18.640a lot of rhino operations that go on to try and discredit people.
00:25:24.120And you start to see people turn, unfortunately.
00:25:26.240You know, I don't want to start getting into beefs with people live on your show, but I'm incredibly disappointed at certain people who have been attacking MAGA OGs like Steve Bannon.
00:25:36.940And I wrote about this on my Substack, if anybody wants to check it out, because, you know, some Cornyn operation tried to make out that he was, you know, doing something differently in the Epstein files than what he was actually doing, which was making a documentary about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:25:52.380um and and it's disappointing it's disgusting that these people sort of turn on the people
00:25:58.140that gave them a platform in in in the first place um it's not particularly surprising after
00:26:04.440all this is washington dc um but some of us approach the world with a little bit more than
00:26:09.280just you know where can we make the next 10 grand here or there based on what lobbyist is paying us
00:26:15.200some of us actually have principles some of us have been doing this for nigh on 20 years now
00:26:20.240And I think the I think the underlying point that I'm trying to make is we better be ready for a whole new fight, because as you say, Jack, the establishment, especially the neocon establishment, is roaring back with vengeance.
00:26:34.780well and this as to your point just for relief this is all about 2028 right we've seen the poly
00:26:40.700markets rubio vans etc even though obviously they have a good relationship there are different power
00:26:47.660structures competing for this and that's what this is really all a proxy about rahim tell people
00:26:52.700where they can go to get the latest from the national polls yeah i do want people to check
00:26:56.460out that substack by the way if you haven't read about that story it's very important find me on
00:28:47.920Protect your future and stand with me fighting for America.
00:28:51.720I want to bring in Rich Barris, People's Pundit,
00:28:54.040who, you know, a longstanding guest, longstanding friend of the program. Rich, you know, you were
00:28:59.200just commenting, I saw your tweet now as well, that you were listening to the conversation that
00:29:03.640we were having, Raheem Kassam, myself, about how the Paxton-Coronan race and really so many of the
00:29:09.920things that are going on right now, they're about the direction of travel, the direction of travel
00:29:15.820of the MAGA movement. And this has always been sort of the question, you know, whereas the MAGA,
00:29:21.780I've always said that in many ways, MAGA operates almost like a third party just within the Republican Party.
00:29:30.460And at the same time and as such, you see these these friction points with things like when it comes to foreign war, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to taxes,
00:29:42.260when it comes to all sorts of different things where MAGA kind of brushes up and butts up
00:29:47.940against differences and in, in the party structures. And this is exactly what the
00:29:53.840Cornyn Paxton race has devolved into. What is your sense when it comes to that?
00:29:58.880Yeah, I think the Cornyn Paxton race is a proxy for so many of these other fights that we keep
00:30:03.780seeing, you know, we keep seeing. And, uh, what I said on, on social media, I'm going to repeat
00:30:08.320here, which is like through the conversation that you just had with Raheem about what happens to
00:30:13.000MAGA when it gets to DC, Jack, right? And it's almost like they didn't really, I mean, it's a
00:30:17.240movement for sure, but it didn't have the infrastructure in that town. Like, you know,
00:30:21.440these parties, the establishments have had for years. So there's like never a discussion about,
00:30:26.400okay, what next? And now I think what happened is that the Republican establishment particularly
00:30:31.360was really good this time at co-opting parts of MAGA, you know, blending in like chameleons.
00:30:36.160Whereas during the first Trump administration, they didn't do that. They kept their masks off the entire time. And a huge thing Raheem pointed out, which is a major problem, it's an uncomfortable conversation and we need to have it, is the influence of money now in MAGA circles, MAGA influencing circles, MAGA, you know, consulting circles.0.56
00:30:55.460and I you know look what he said is absolutely true the the bottom line is this the American
00:31:01.780public doesn't have a lobby in DC MAGA doesn't have a lobby in DC right so when you get there
00:31:07.940it turns in like morphs into all these different things and unfortunately it's ended up with
00:31:13.380Steve Bannon's one of them but look I mean that's why I take my job as a pollster so serious I do
00:31:18.480look at this job as being a voice or a lobby for a constituency which is the constituency the
00:31:25.080american voter that doesn't have a voice in dc that's why i take it so seriously but what has
00:31:30.000happened is that when people try to speak up and say okay look wrong direction let's write this
00:31:35.160ship you know it's it's it's been met with what you heard rahim bring up before and unfortunately
00:31:41.060that's prevented maga from from right you know steering staying the course or getting on the
00:31:47.520right path when they veered off and the results are now they're now in jack i mean this debate
00:31:52.380is over, brother. This debate is over. I mean, MAGA's got to, they got to recalibrate and settle
00:31:58.020back in. Registrations are going in the wrong direction. The polling's going in the wrong
00:32:01.880direction. The identification about who identifies as such is shrinking. I mean, so this, we've not
00:32:08.160been able to have a good faith, honest conversation, and that's what's led to this.
00:32:12.540So here we are now, eight and a half, nine months out before game day, and he's right. I mean,
00:32:18.900And I can't believe this is the first time I've heard, you know, sitting in a green room waiting to go on a show.
00:32:23.660This is the first time I've heard an honest conversation about it.
00:32:27.240Well, look, you know, it has to be had.
00:32:29.440And people, you know, without Charlie being around right now, there's so many people who try to say,
00:32:35.720play this game of, oh, if Charlie were here, he'd be doing this.
00:32:38.800And if Charlie were here, he'd be doing that.
00:32:40.960And guys, like, personally, I just don't think that's fair in many cases to be able to say that we know what Charlie would have done.
00:32:48.900But I do know what Charlie did in the past and what Charlie would do in the past when we come up with these forks in the road and when when we'd have these issues with the coalition, Charlie would would do two things.
00:32:58.260He would say, number one, we have to keep the coalition together because the coalition is what won in 2024.
00:33:04.260And that's the coalition that's going to continue winning in twenty six, twenty eight, whatever in the future.
00:33:08.580And that also that when you have disagreements, you don't practice cancel culture, you don't act like the woke left, and then you hear it out.
00:33:19.660Charlie was all about holding debates.
00:33:22.480He was saying, let's let's have a debate.
00:33:24.460Let's have good, you know, good faith, strong debates on whatever the issue is, whatever the issue might be.
00:33:32.100And in fact, that's how he lived his life, because he would go on to, you know, college campuses and debate and say, if you disagree with me, whether you're on the right or on the left, whatever, come right to the front.
00:33:42.600Let's have that debate. Charlie did not stand for cancel culture. And I certainly don't.
00:33:47.180That's something that I think that the MAGA right has always stood for, whether it's censorship on social media, censorship in terms of debate or censorship in terms of these these ridiculous words that you hear being brought up again by certain people.
00:34:01.780platforming and amplifying yeah i mean these these are that is left-wing thought that is
00:34:08.900left-wing thought you know what i said this actually and i i've been monologuing and i
00:34:13.720apologize but but let me just say that i said this to a reporter once they said well how do
00:34:16.860you deal with misinformation if you don't have you know if you don't have this this apparatus
00:34:21.740for censorship and i said you got it all wrong is that we do deal with misinformation on the right
00:34:27.820It's just we don't believe in censorship.
00:34:32.420If you say something ridiculous about H-1Bs, like that was the whole we call it the Christmas war now that took place in Christmas Day 2024, we will have a throwdown over it and a beatdown.
00:34:43.860And there's going to be memes and there's going to be all sorts of, you know, back and forth and facts and statistics and all those, you know, all of those facets are going to come out.
00:34:53.020And we're going to have that debate and we're going to hash it all out like men.
00:35:47.560I don't think a right-wing brain is wired to use words like that so when I say this conversation
00:35:53.900needs to be had I mean we really need to dive into it if you're using words like amplifying
00:35:59.280plat de-platforming I'm not sure you were ever right-wing to begin with and I'm no coalition
00:36:04.380builder like Charlie that's not my job my job is to merely look at coalitions and you know do the
00:36:09.480equations that that lead to you know plus this plus that that's the job to get to a winning
00:36:14.600coalition. I'm not building one. I'm just telling you what fits. How do you get there? But I'll
00:36:19.680tell you, I just don't see synergy with people who use language like that. And look, it's not
00:36:25.520for me to say. I'm just telling you, they fundamentally, they're like diametrically
00:36:29.420opposed worldviews, Jack. Let's just get real. You just said it. If there's something that needs
00:36:33.500policing, it's being policed in debate. And if you lose the argument because you resort to name
00:36:38.640calling and you start throwing out ists and isms, right? Now we're labeling this person this and
00:36:44.240And that person, that Glenn Greenwald, who is a liberal, had it right.
00:36:48.040And it starts to concern you when you see somebody from the left understand, in many ways, MAGA more than some other people.
00:36:56.820You know, it used to be if you got called a racist or if you got called, labeled another word by the left, it was the worst thing that could possibly happen to you.
00:37:04.420Tell me, who's been throwing around labels for the last six months to a year?
00:38:24.320All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live here, Human Events Daily.
00:38:29.040And we didn't do a question of the day today, but, you know, maybe we'll do this tomorrow because I think that this is a discussion that needs to be had.
00:38:36.620And I think that a lot of people are interested in this discussion.
00:38:38.820I'm certainly interested in this discussion.
00:38:40.360I've been interested in this discussion for 10 years because I've spent 10 years of my life in this movement, working on this, supporting the president and day in, day out, whatever it is, whatever the fight of the day is, whatever the struggle is.
00:38:55.600You know, we stand by the president. We fight for this movement because we believe in this country and believe what MAGA stands for. The hat stays on. MAGA hat stays on. There ain't no question about that.
00:39:05.480And if this is something where, you know, the MAGA hat's got to stay on for Paxton Cornyn, then it's going to stay on for Paxton Cornyn.
00:39:12.640All right. The hat stays on. I love my red hat. I'm never getting rid of my red hat.
00:39:18.740And my children know that. And one day my grandchildren will know that as well.
00:39:22.280And I'm going to say, hey, I fought the fight, man. I stood with people that were absolute champions that are far better than I.
00:39:28.460I stood with teams like the incredible team at Turning Point USA, the events team there, everything that they do,
00:39:34.120the halftime show, the memorial, the events, just incredible things that they're able to do
00:39:39.060at a moment's notice because they're the best in the entire world. They are the best team in the
00:39:44.440entire world at Turning Point events. And, you know, so Rich, you know, kind of to bring this
00:39:50.440back in, that's why all of these things were built because so many people, right, as you know,
00:39:58.780talking about just Turning Point as sort of a, you know, a focal point here, Charlie was able
00:40:03.800to do that because people wanted to get behind that program of saving the country. That's what
00:40:10.920it came down to. Yeah. And then nowhere else to go. I think the first time you were talking about
00:40:16.860how great the team is at Turning Point. And I remember the first time I went to a Turning Point
00:40:22.060event and Charlie's invited me. That'll be the first thing that you'll be hit with. Like, wow,
00:40:27.440these guys know how to put it on. And then the second thing is how different it is. And we don't
00:40:33.240have to mention them, but how different it is from some others that, you know, they just really
00:40:38.320didn't capture the scope of the, you know, the population that wanted to hear a message like
00:40:44.280that, right? I think that's what it comes down to. And this happens in politics, not just the right
00:40:48.640or the left. It's just that certain organizations are much better or geared towards certain groups
00:40:53.100or certain target audiences, whereas Turning Point always just had this other energy. And by
00:40:57.380the way, just let me tell you, I don't think guys like us are built to like give in or ever put it
00:41:01.140down right but they just requires us to run the race brother he doesn't require us to win it's
00:41:06.420just that sometimes we got to remind ourselves that you know because of how we're built but uh
00:41:11.940you know at the end of the day you want to be able to say you kept the faith you ran the race
00:41:14.920and that's that's what it's all about you know i mean i'm i'm more than happy to leave it all
00:41:21.340on the field right and and at the end of the day that's what it's all about people like scott
00:41:25.640presser he leaves it all on the field charlie literally left it all on the field literally
00:41:29.660You know, he went he went above and beyond. And when it when it comes down to to this and, you know, I don't mean to keep bringing up Charlie.
00:41:39.240It is about Charlie, though. Right. That's a huge part of it is is, you know, people trying to co-opt his legacy and try to put words in his mouth.
00:41:48.360You know, you know, how would Charlie have played this? Like, we don't know. Right.
00:41:52.580We just we don't know. But we know what he stood for. We knew what he was about. And that's what we know.
00:41:56.200OK, and it's it's as simple as that. And I'm not going to sit here and act like, you know, like only this person's allowed to say certain things like that's just ridiculous.0.95
00:42:05.960And Charlie didn't stand for cancel culture. And I'm just going to leave it at that.0.82
00:42:09.420But when when you do see this, you know, Rich, this has been the biggest thing, because I mentioned before and I'll zip back to this now that it was all about and Charlie was all about keeping the coalition together.
00:42:22.420And, Rich, that's what you've been focused on. You've talked about how these numbers with Hispanics have been dipping, the numbers with independents.
00:42:30.060And that's what you've been ringing the alarm bell on is the fracturing of the coalition of 2024.
00:42:36.940And people try to, I think, frame this disingenuously when they'll say, well, MAGA still supports Trump.
00:42:42.000Of course, MAGA supports Trump. We're never going to stop supporting Trump.
00:42:44.300The point is, though, is that there were all these extra pieces that were brought on in 24.
00:42:49.400And that's where that's where the soft points are.
00:42:52.420all the winning parts that's what i keep referring to them as all the winning parts
00:42:57.080this is how you get from negative the no props this is how you get from losing by four and a
00:43:02.960half points you know shenanigans aside guys this is how you get from losing the popular vote even
00:43:08.980by two and a half points like in 2016 uh to winning it by about a point and a half all of
00:43:14.860the winning parts hispanics uh black men under the age of 50 right we can go down this litany of
00:43:21.280this. Even, by the way, women who are 18 to 29 who came out and voted for Trump. Trump didn't
00:43:26.280only convince more educated women because he did better with them. He didn't just convince some of
00:43:32.240them that voted for Biden in 2020 to come back over to his side. That's not what happened.
00:43:36.480The largest share of why he did better with that group is because he got them out when they don't
00:43:41.120vote. These are not 18-year-old women. It could have been a 45-year-old woman who said, you know
00:43:46.520what? For Maha, I'm doing it. For this, whatever their issue may have been. But it was this. And
00:43:52.240I think this is where people have misinterpreted what I've been doing for the last year. I knew
00:43:56.420this was going to happen. All right. I mean, I'm just going to call it. I'm not up here saying I
00:44:00.340told you so because it gives me a thrill or something down my leg. I knew it was going to
00:44:04.960happen. I tried to warn people as best I could. Some people just didn't want to hear it, Jack.
00:44:10.760But now we are here where we are. Look, just earlier in the week, another handful, we can
00:44:16.300put it in the data set of races where Republicans underperformed, the only thing building up or the
00:44:21.400only thing that did build up more than their losses since the special election season kicked
00:44:27.260off was their excuses for these losses. The excuses have been right, the reasons have been
00:44:32.900right in front of us the entire time. They wanted us to pivot back to a domestic policy focus and
00:44:40.340when you don't and you know more than that when everything is screaming at you not to do it and
00:44:46.060you know you have people are just like ah you know sit down shut up uh you're not going to hold
00:44:50.460that part of the coalition the most really i hate using the word vulnerable but they were the newest
00:44:55.160parts of MAGA they were the new MAGA they most agreed with OG MAGA you know the the original
00:45:02.260concept of it they most agree with that plus the addition of Maha and that's what they wanted to
00:45:08.160pursue so it wasn't just a little thing last year to get derailed into you know striking0.61
00:45:14.760Iran's nuclear facilities it was a major red flag to them these people have like I know I can hear
00:45:20.320so funny I hear somebody go on Piers Morgan who constantly criticizes me he goes on Piers Morgan0.96
00:45:25.640and takes something I said to the vice president sitting in the west wing right out of my mouth
00:45:29.820like he came up with it as an original thought himself they have PTSD towards this stuff and
00:45:35.680they gave you know this ticket a chance because they believed in their domestic focus they their
00:45:40.800domestic vision for the country. And it was like, you know, causing them to twitch all over again.
00:45:46.600And then let's face it, their suspicions, their fears were justified. And I know a lot of that
00:45:52.960has to do with the Republican Congress and the Republican Senate. All the more reason to, you
00:45:57.900know, for MAGA to eventually try to like this corn and Paxton race. And I'm going to take it
00:46:02.140about, you know, to take. And let me let me take it back to to the start here. That's why
00:46:06.700when I've got a U.S. senator who's who's worried about some social media stuff.
00:46:11.340It's like, dude, where is the Save Act? Where is the Save America Act? This act and supporting for
00:46:17.640it and fighting for it. This is exactly why we give. You want to go be a podcaster, go be an
00:46:22.960influencer, please. By all means. It is a free country. Go ahead and do so. But if you're going
00:46:27.800to be a U.S. senator, then guess what? Fight for the agenda of the American people in the U.S.
00:46:33.340Senate. Fight for the Save America Act. President Trump has said all work stops until the Save
00:46:39.580America Act is passed. He said that to every single senator. He said no legislation until
00:46:45.720the Save America Act is passed. So where is it? Could you at least tweet about it if you're going
00:46:50.280to focus on social media so much? And we just don't see it. So we got to tweet about this thing
00:46:54.200and that thing and the other thing and not what Donald J. Trump, the president of the United
00:46:57.780states has called for 80 support jack if they can't get something like that through could you
00:47:03.560imagine democrats trying to tell their constituency if they had something big that meaned a lot to
00:47:08.340their base that they had 80 support across the country for could you imagine democrats failing
00:47:13.840to pass that no way it wouldn't happen they could have a one seat majority and they would get it
00:47:18.720through and that's more than that i mean we there there's been something on the maha front i mean
00:47:23.880You could go down as rock stars if you remove the protections for vaccine manufacturers over vaccine injuries.
00:47:31.860You guys would go down as legends if you would do something like that.
00:47:35.080It would be a shot, you know, right to the arm of MAGA again.