Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Chronicles of Narnia Christmas Special

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00:00:50.000 Christ is King!

00:00:52.000 This year marks the 75th anniversary of a modern Christian classic,

00:00:56.000 The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis,

00:00:59.000 published in 1950. To this day, the novel is beloved by young and old alike.

00:01:04.220 From the beloved book, to various stage adaptations, to the big screen.

00:01:11.640 The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is one of our culture's most well-known stories.

00:01:16.460 The classic takes place in World War II England.

00:01:19.620 Siblings Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy are sent from their home in London

00:01:23.660 to live with a family friend in the country.

00:01:26.060 It's there they discover the wardrobe that transports them into the magical land of Narnia.

00:01:32.060 Merry Christmas, sir.

00:01:34.060 It certainly is, Lucy, since you have arrived.

00:01:38.060 Winter is almost over.

00:01:42.060 Long live Aslan.

00:01:46.060 And Merry Christmas!

00:01:56.060 We should go.

00:02:07.060 Susan!

00:02:08.060 Oh

00:02:38.060 awesome once a king or queen of narnia always a king

00:02:47.560 all right folks it is christmas time again ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard

00:03:07.580 today's special edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:10.380 It's December 2025, and this year, it's true.

00:03:14.580 It's a little different.

00:03:16.320 We've lost so much.

00:03:19.480 Charlie Kirk, my friend, my brother in the fight,

00:03:23.940 a warrior for truth, faith, and America

00:03:27.220 was taken from us in September.

00:03:29.420 It feels like just a couple of weeks ago,

00:03:32.140 and he was struck down by evil out there on the front lines

00:03:35.480 debating on college campuses, trying to wake up the next generation assassinated. Just like that.

00:03:42.120 A husband, a father, a Christian, will not be with his family this Christmas. We all feel it.

00:03:50.540 It's like a long, endless winter has settled over everything. And that's why this Christmas,

00:03:56.540 I'm going back and I would invite you to join me to go back to a story that shaped me and

00:04:02.360 perhaps you as well as a kid. And one I think God put in front of us right now for a reason

00:04:08.640 is C.S. Lewis, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Yes, the Narnia book. This is not just

00:04:16.800 a children's tale. It might even be the perfect Christmas story for 2025, precisely because it

00:04:23.940 feels like we've been living in Narnia's darkest hour. So think about it. In Narnia, the white

00:04:29.860 witch always cursed the land. Remember, always winter, never Christmas. That's how the end of

00:04:35.060 2025 is felt, hasn't it? A frozen wasteland, cold, division, endless attacks on truth tellers,

00:04:42.120 political violence, the loss of Charlie. And we lost Charlie the same way that the witch turned

00:04:49.200 the heroes of Narnia to stone. They freeze us in fear. They make us forget what Christmas means,

00:04:54.780 breaking through the ice.

00:04:57.540 And you remember what happens in Narnia.

00:04:59.180 If you go back and watch the movie,

00:05:01.340 Father Christmas, yes, Santa Claus himself shows up

00:05:04.700 and hands the gifts out to the children.

00:05:07.180 And what does he say?

00:05:08.520 Aslan is on the move.

00:05:10.780 The great lion is coming.

00:05:12.440 And when Aslan roars back,

00:05:14.660 that's when the snow starts melting.

00:05:16.780 The spring breaks through.

00:05:18.080 The witch's spell begins to crack

00:05:19.720 because deeper magic is at work.

00:05:22.100 the magic from before the dawn of time. Well, that's Christmas, isn't it? That's the gospel

00:05:29.240 that Lewis wove right into the heart of the story. Ashland, the Christ figure, lays down his life on

00:05:35.660 the stone table, willing to sacrifice himself for traitors like Edmund. And we're all like Edmund

00:05:42.260 a little times, you know, sometimes. The witch, she thinks she's won. She mocks him. She kills

00:05:47.220 but death itself works backwards.

00:05:50.040 Aslan rises, stronger than ever, shatters the table,

00:05:54.000 defeats evil, and restores Narnia.

00:05:57.840 Charlie Kirk, in many ways, lived that story.

00:06:00.940 He sacrificed every day for truth, for young people,

00:06:04.680 for the gospel in the public square.

00:06:07.460 And evil thought that it could end him on that campus in Utah, but no.

00:06:12.460 Like Aslan, Charlie's voice echoes louder.

00:06:16.520 You might even say it roars and we're all stepping up.

00:06:21.980 We have to a million more Charlies.

00:06:25.680 As we said at his memorial, the movement is not frozen.

00:06:30.200 It is falling because the true lion, Jesus Christ, came to earth at Christmas.

00:06:38.700 He conquered death at Easter and he is still on the move today.

00:06:43.800 So in 2025, amid the grief, the rage, the uncertainty, read the story to your kids.

00:06:49.520 Watch the movie.

00:06:50.220 Remember, winter does not last forever.

00:06:53.040 Evil's power is temporary.

00:06:55.480 Sacrifice leads to victory.

00:06:58.000 And Christmas is the announcement that the king has come and he's coming again.

00:07:03.420 Aslan is on the move, America.

00:07:06.640 Merry Christmas.

00:07:07.960 The thaw is coming.

00:07:09.340 We'll be right back with Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:07:13.800 anything you'd like to eat

00:07:18.240 turkish delight

00:07:21.760 edmund

00:07:32.740 jack pacific we're back live here it is our narnia special here on human events daily narnia

00:07:40.580 Christmas special. I want to bring in now Dr. Taylor Marshall, host of The Dr. Taylor Marshall

00:07:46.180 Show. What's going on, Taylor? Hey, Happy Advent and Merry Christmas.

00:07:51.940 Happy Advent and Merry Christmas. Now, we're talking about this film, The Lion, the Witch,

00:07:58.320 and the Wardrobe, and sort of C.S. Lewis writ large in his body of work as a Christian apologist

00:08:03.980 and the way that he wove the story of the gospel into his series,

00:08:10.820 but specifically even Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

00:08:13.400 It's Aslan, the sacrifice, the witch, the devil, the temptation of the children.

00:08:21.720 There's so much.

00:08:22.980 It's such a rich story.

00:08:25.080 The forgiveness, the repentance, the remission of sin, the paying of debts,

00:08:30.740 which is a huge piece throughout all of the series

00:08:36.080 and throughout all of this, you know, the first episode of it.

00:08:39.380 And I, of course, stick to the original order of the Narnia books,

00:08:42.580 not the updated order where they try to put other things in there.

00:08:46.180 And by the way, for the record, I just right off the bat,

00:08:49.700 you know, I'm completely against whatever Greta Gerwig is going to do

00:08:52.760 and Netflix is going to do with Narnia, just totally against it.

00:08:56.660 It sounds absolutely horrible.

00:08:58.660 Female Astley and just really, really bad.

00:09:00.740 but we're, we're saying this in the context of Charlie Kirk's death. And I said, this Christmas,

00:09:08.500 it feels like we've been living through the endless winter. Um, you know, since September

00:09:15.840 when we lost Charlie, when he was murdered, taken from us. And I wanted to, to get you on because

00:09:21.880 I realized we haven't even had you on since then. So I'm thinking it's like, we were in the endless

00:09:27.480 winter. Christmas comes, but we're still dealing with that. C.S. Lewis is there to talk to us.

00:09:34.320 Dr. Taylor Marshall, help us make sense of all of this. Yeah, well, it's great to be back. I think

00:09:39.000 I was on your show just a few days before we lost Charlie. So it's been a little bit, you know,

00:09:44.340 your comparison to the Chronicles of Narnia with always winter, never Christmas. That's how C.S.

00:09:51.400 Lewis describes basically the state of original sin or fallen Narnia. It's always winter. It's

00:09:59.420 never Christmas. And if you think about in our own lives, you know, in 2025, what gets us through

00:10:06.540 winter? What makes us excited about winter and it being cold and the snow and the ice? What gets us

00:10:14.760 excited is Christmas. We look forward to the most wonderful time of the year. We're looking forward

00:10:20.800 to winter. Why? Because we want to be cold and uncomfortable? No, we're looking forward

00:10:24.700 to Christmas because of Jesus Christ. And the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis

00:10:32.360 depict this state that parallels our own lives. It parallels our lives in all of human history,

00:10:38.680 from Adam and Eve until our time, but also annually in this cycle that we go through

00:10:43.340 every year. And we see that the coming of first Father Christmas, St. Nicholas,

00:10:47.780 and then Aslan, who is the Jesus Christ figure, that begins to thaw the winter, and the warmth

00:10:56.120 of God's love and His mercy begins to bring about life in the world. And that's what's so beautiful

00:11:04.220 about C.S. Lewis's Narnia series, but it's also beautiful about God's plan for us in time, that

00:11:11.800 we live this throughout time, and then we live this annually through the liturgical calendar.

00:11:17.780 and and dr marshall this the piece of this that i wanted to also bring up is that before charlie

00:11:26.180 died that and before he was murdered there was this story and and megan kelly's talked about

00:11:31.340 this and how how erica was very upset about it about these witches who were casting uh curses

00:11:39.280 were trying to curse Charlie and it strikes me that the villain in C.S. Lewis's book who sort

00:11:49.080 of becomes the villain throughout the series is in fact a witch yeah I mean witches are always

00:11:55.840 associated with androgyny uh morphing of you know sexuality male female female male it's always in

00:12:03.520 the occult literature uh in every century going back to the Gnostics even going back to the old

00:12:08.960 testament and the pagan fertility so-called gods and goddesses is and yeah i think this was revealed

00:12:14.820 in a in a woman's magazine called jezebel which of course is demonic in itself just the name

00:12:20.820 jezebel that these witches um were hired to cast these spells on charlie and charlie and erica

00:12:29.920 found out about this and uh i don't know if i have all my facts straight you might need to fill in

00:12:35.100 for me, Jack, but apparently a Catholic priest came over that knew Erica and prayed deliverance

00:12:41.580 prayers over Charlie. I believe it was the day or within days before the assassination. And I think

00:12:47.240 this reveals to us that, you know, everyone's caught up in the conspiracy or what really

00:12:52.020 happened with Charlie Kirk. And, you know, as time goes on, hopefully we'll learn more as the trial

00:12:56.360 begins. But what we need to realize, and we see this in Narnia, is the connection between evil

00:13:02.180 is not always physical and tangible and in a series of events. The satanic, the occult,

00:13:11.900 the preternatural, they communicate through what we might call magical means or preternatural

00:13:20.060 means. And so witches, even in this life, can cast curses and call on evil, which can animate

00:13:26.600 and inspire other evil people to come in and do ferocious evil deeds. That's a reality. I mean,

00:13:34.880 witches are never good. In the Old Testament and the New Testament, witchcraft is always a mortal

00:13:39.080 sin. It's always evil because you are tapping into this level of, it is a form of reality.

00:13:45.840 It's an evil reality by which there's coordination in the spiritual realm to work evil. So sometimes

00:13:52.820 we think of everything as just in the material realm. But St. Paul says, ultimately, our enemies

00:13:58.040 are not flesh and blood. They are the enemies that are the spiritual darkness and principalities and

00:14:02.920 dominions. And so I think that was certainly at play in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And

00:14:09.060 we definitely see this in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, because the witch, she's trying

00:14:14.700 to entrap the children. She has the Turkish Delight. She has Tumnus originally as one of her

00:14:21.260 agents, and she's using a spell to keep winter upon the earth. And who's the only one who can

00:14:28.240 break the spells of the witch? Aslan, who is Jesus Christ, allegorically. So, yeah, there's

00:14:34.800 all these parallels that are there. And I think, you know, giving a reread or a new read to the

00:14:40.960 Chronicles of Narnia, this is a great moment to do that. So the way you're explaining it,

00:14:46.960 It almost sounds like this, that, you know, there are conspiracies and that we should look at not just and obviously physical and corporeal conspiracies of people and men, but also and men attempting to become women and all this other stuff.

00:15:01.100 Homosexuals in this case with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.

00:15:04.600 But what you're talking about are also spiritual conspiracies.

00:15:09.400 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:10.300 I mean, let's just pause for a moment and say, if there are such things as demons, demons are fallen angels.

00:15:16.980 They once were good.

00:15:18.100 They were angels in heaven.

00:15:19.180 We read in the 12th chapter of the Apocalypse in the New Testament that a third of them fell with Lucifer.

00:15:25.360 Lucifer becomes Satan.

00:15:26.580 All those angels that were once good, a third of them become demons.

00:15:30.040 They're real.

00:15:31.040 If you read the New Testament, there are demons possessing people.

00:15:35.320 There are Jesus is casting out demons.

00:15:37.460 demons have a real influence on human life. All right. So if you are a believer of the Bible and

00:15:43.680 the new Testament, you believe that there are demons around us and there are angels around us.

00:15:48.260 And this is part of the spiritual warfare, right? This is why we have prayers and devotion and go

00:15:53.540 to church and fast and all of these things. So if that's the case, really, when it comes to those who

00:16:01.200 are evil in this world, right? There's bad people who do sins. And then there are evil people who

00:16:08.040 are trying to corrupt other people and corrupt the world and destroy lives. These truly evil

00:16:13.960 people, the masters of those puppets are the demons. And this is why St. Paul says, ultimately,

00:16:19.940 we have to love all our enemies, but ultimately our enemies are not flesh and blood people.

00:16:24.320 It's these personalities beyond the flesh and blood, the demonic that are able to coordinate

00:16:30.900 attacks. We see that in Malign the Witch and the Wardrobe, the witch and all of her minions.

00:16:36.020 And then in our reality, we have Satan and all of his minions who are coordinating damnation,

00:16:43.920 destruction, death in this world. The only way to resist it is by the name of Jesus Christ

00:16:51.320 and by being united with his angels, his saints, his gospels. That's what breaks it. And that's

00:16:58.240 light's encouraging. I think when the Kirks found out that there was this, this demonic attack on

00:17:04.340 them, they did seek, you know, a spiritual remedy, which is what we all have to do.

00:17:10.020 And that's so key to what C.S. Lewis was writing about. And, you know, he's got, he's got other

00:17:16.480 books, of course, you know, I love mere Christianity. I think Screwtape Letters might

00:17:20.220 be one of the greatest writings, you know, just entry-level writings on hell and the demonic and

00:17:26.760 how to understand that, you know, the real demons that are coming after you, they don't

00:17:32.820 necessarily look like demons. They don't, they don't have the, you know, the horns and

00:17:37.160 the, the, the tail with a, you know, the, you know, heart on or whatever, and, and hooves

00:17:43.280 that they might look like normal people. They might look friendly, but they, they just whisper

00:17:48.340 sweet lies into your ear and move you along and move you away from Christ, separate you

00:17:55.420 from Christ. They say, Hey, have some, have some Turkish delights, have, you know, have this,

00:18:02.140 have that. And that's exactly what the, the witch in, in the book and the film of Lion,

00:18:08.440 the Witch and Wardrobe does is she's offering Edmund dominion. She offers him dominion over

00:18:13.660 Narnia, dominion over his brother and sisters, um, dominion over his family, offers him great

00:18:19.220 power. And so this, and this of course lines up with, um, Satan's temptation of Christ himself,

00:18:25.920 where, you know, join me and I will give you dominion over this entire, entire world. I'll

00:18:32.180 give you everything. I'll give you riches and Christ denies him. But it's, it's not that, you

00:18:37.260 know, the, the devil is going to come up and say, you know, join me and be evil. It's like, no, no,

00:18:42.100 You are tempted with things that you want, and that's what makes it so incredibly powerful.

00:18:49.980 We'll be right back after this break.

00:18:51.540 Jack Posobiec, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Human Events Daily, the Narnia Christmas Special.

00:19:03.500 Behold the great life.

00:19:06.780 all right jack was up we're back live here on the human events narnia christmas special

00:19:22.380 we're on with dr taylor marshall and dr taylor i gotta tell you the next the next part that i

00:19:27.620 wanted to talk about is the first sign that the kids receive in the book the film the play for

00:19:36.540 at Museum of the Bible or watching it play is absolutely phenomenal highly highly recommend

00:19:41.420 it's the arrival of Father Christmas because this is what they say throughout all the years prior

00:19:47.380 to his arrival it's always winter never Christmas always winter never Christmas and so Father

00:19:51.900 Christmas himself the Santa Claus the OG Saint Nick shows up and he provides gifts to the children

00:20:02.340 Although interestingly, only three of the four children, only the good children, the obedient children, not Edmund, because Edmund at this point is still in a state of sin.

00:20:15.740 He's not in a state of grace, the way that we are called to receive gifts from our Lord in his presence, if you will.

00:20:26.060 So, and that's an interesting English homonym there, presents and presents on Christmas.

00:20:32.680 So, Doctail Marshall, what does this scene symbolize at the connection between Santa Claus, or as he's called in England, Father Christmas and the giving of gifts of the children?

00:20:44.380 And by the way, these gifts are not, you know, they're not toys.

00:20:48.340 They are weapons.

00:20:50.200 They are potions of healing, a horn to call for help.

00:20:54.500 these are very serious gifts. Well, in order to understand the symbolism here, we have to go back

00:21:01.080 to the early church, like the Catholic church, medieval. C.S. Lewis was Anglican Church of

00:21:07.160 England. So he's tapped into this symbolism. Who is St. Nicholas? So Nicholas was a bishop, a pastor

00:21:14.560 in the early 300s. He was persecuted for his Christian faith under the Roman emperors. And

00:21:22.900 he's famous for a story that makes him the patron saint of children. And I actually did a retelling

00:21:30.500 of this. If you like C.S. Lewis or you like J.R.R. Tolkien, I wrote a book called Nikolaus,

00:21:36.100 and it's a fictional retelling of the story of St. Nicholas that made him famous.

00:21:41.560 And the story goes like this. There was a man who had lost his wife and he had three daughters

00:21:47.020 and they were very poor. They had lost everything. And in those days, this might sound pretty

00:21:52.460 strange and radical, but if you didn't have money and you had three daughters and you had no money

00:21:57.420 for dowries or placing your daughters in society, those daughters often fell into prostitution as

00:22:04.000 the only way to survive. And that's the setup for the story of St. Nicholas. So St. Nicholas,

00:22:08.980 who is the Christian bishop, the pastor, he hears about this, he sneaks into the house

00:22:13.460 and he leaves gold money for one of the sisters to be placed in a marriage.

00:22:20.600 And then that happens a couple of years later with the second sister.

00:22:23.240 And then the third year, the father catches Nicholas on Christmas, sneaking into the house,

00:22:29.300 bringing this gift so that his daughters won't be, you know, forced into prostitution.

00:22:34.920 And Nicholas asks him, you know, don't tell anyone.

00:22:37.200 He's very humble.

00:22:38.500 And so from this, I think it's a true story.

00:22:40.780 It's well attested in the early church.

00:22:43.000 From this story about the bishop and pastor Nicholas, he becomes the patron of children.

00:22:48.960 He becomes a gift giver. He's sneaking into houses to leave gifts, to be a benefactor.

00:22:55.900 He wants to be anonymous. It happens at night. So all of these, I think, true traditions about

00:23:01.920 Nicholas get worked into through the middle, middle, middle times. And then all the way to

00:23:07.220 our time into Nicholas as the bringer of gifts. He sneaks into your house at night. He's a patron

00:23:15.480 of children, he loves children, and he gives gifts to bless them. Now, C.S. Lewis also takes

00:23:23.320 another tradition, and that is the feast day of St. Nicholas in the Catholic Church and in the

00:23:28.440 Anglican Church, which C.S. Lewis belonged to, is always on December 6th, and Christmas is on

00:23:34.400 December 25th. And this is another thing that associates Nicholas with Christmas, and as you

00:23:39.920 you can see, December 6th is, you know, about 19 days before Christmas. So whenever St. Nicholas

00:23:46.360 Day comes on December 6th, all the children, in fact, in a lot of countries, gifts are given on

00:23:51.320 December 6th. They're placed in their stockings or in their shoes. And all the children know that

00:23:55.820 when St. Nicholas Day comes on December 6th, we're getting closer to December 25th for Christmas.

00:24:02.920 And that's exactly why C.S. Lewis sets all this up in the Chronicle of Narnia. If you're not

00:24:08.980 familiar with these traditions and these timings, it might seem kind of arbitrary, but first you

00:24:14.240 have Father Christmas, who is Nicolaus, St. Nicholas, and he is sort of the forerunner to

00:24:21.020 the appearance of Aslan, who is Jesus Christ. So C.S. Lewis is tapping into this early church

00:24:28.100 medieval chronology that St. Nicholas always appears shortly before the advent of Jesus

00:24:35.400 Christ. Does that make sense? It completely makes sense. A forerunner, if you will, in similar way

00:24:43.560 to how John the Baptist was a forerunner to Christ in his teaching later on in life. He begins his

00:24:50.440 ministry several, I believe several years before Jesus began his. So you see these comings and

00:24:56.980 these callings. It also kind of reminds me in a way that, in an interesting way, that Father

00:25:04.240 Christmas's appearance in the book here and St. Nicholas's appearance kind of, kind of

00:25:09.540 reflects the way, uh, the, the position of the, the three wise men, the three Kings,

00:25:14.280 the bearers of gifts and how they are separate from Christ and yet how they also acknowledge

00:25:20.640 Christ and, you know, work and tradition holds, they were the, was the Kings of, uh, say

00:25:26.480 Ethiopia, Arabia, and Tarsus, and that they were following the star that they come and

00:25:33.720 they've read the auguries, they've read the astronomy, they understand that, you know,

00:25:38.160 a great king is to be born, among which all will give him homage. And so it's very interesting to

00:25:45.900 me that here we have, again, you know, these great figures, and this is something you see

00:25:51.220 throughout the Bible, great figures pointing to an even greater figure. Does that make sense?

00:25:56.640 Absolutely. Yeah. And that's another kind of thing in the area that an Anglican or Catholic

00:26:00.880 Like Advent is the season of preparing for the coming of Christ.

00:26:04.660 So, you know, a lot of times nowadays it turns Thanksgiving and there's Christmas decorations

00:26:08.560 and it's Christmas, Christmas, Christmas.

00:26:10.140 But traditionally, you know, for hundreds of years, it's been Advent, which is about

00:26:15.200 four weeks before Christmas.

00:26:17.100 And that's a time of more like preparation and penance and reflection.

00:26:22.900 And then as you get to Christmas Eve, you have Midnight Mass, and then you have the

00:26:27.100 12 days of Christmas, which are from December 25th until January 5th, which is 12th night. And

00:26:32.760 then you have Epiphany with the wise men. So there's this whole timing there and C.S. Lewis,

00:26:37.440 and I think the original audience was more tapped in to these chronologies and all this. So yeah,

00:26:43.240 when you talk about John the Baptist, that's a major part of the readings. You know, if you're

00:26:47.600 Catholic, if you go to mass during Advent, the idea of John the Baptist preparing the way for

00:26:52.380 christ huge part of the readers and that's and that's why i'm thinking of it dr marshall right

00:26:57.820 back human events narnia christmas special

00:27:14.620 susan

00:27:22.380 all right jack posovic we are back human events daily the narnia christmas special

00:27:31.460 we're all at dr taylor marshall so we're talking about narnia in the sense of the fact that number

00:27:38.020 one lion the witch in the wardrobe being a fantastic christmas movie as well as a book

00:27:42.740 a story that you'll be able to share with your children depending on the age and if you have

00:27:47.080 time read the book you know read the book over christmas break it's not that long it's like

00:27:50.560 maybe just over 100 pages. It's really easy to read. It's a fun story. You can do the voices

00:27:56.100 with the kids. That's what I love to do. But the part of the story that I want to get into and

00:28:00.160 really dig in with Dr. Marshall here is that is Edmund. And the fact that Edmund not only

00:28:05.880 is he tempted by the witch, he succumbs to that temptation. He takes the Turkish delights

00:28:11.420 from her and then he begins to provide her with information. He tells her about his brother and

00:28:19.180 sisters and then he even gives up their secret location as they're on the run to the witch he

00:28:25.980 does betray them this is why in the last segment we're talking about how saint nick did not provide

00:28:31.540 him with a present so dr marshall what does it mean then the story of edmund edmund the fallen

00:28:40.420 if you will and and we know that aslan later sack and and then also aslan sacrifice for edmund how

00:28:47.420 it ties into christ how there is a sin there is a sin that edmund as a child has to pay a debt for

00:28:58.500 and yet it's ashland who pays the debt well i mean as you just said in the beginning there

00:29:05.440 our greatest threat is not the boogeyman far away in the forest the greatest threat to us

00:29:13.860 in our life are those closest to us, our friends. And if you think of the greatest story ever told,

00:29:20.380 our Lord Jesus Christ, he was betrayed by one of his 12 who had spent every day with them for three

00:29:27.520 years. They dined together, they traveled together, they worked miracles together. And it was Judas

00:29:32.920 Iscariot that betrayed him. And so, and you see this throughout the Old Testament, you see it

00:29:37.160 throughout history, see it in our own time. And so C.S. Lewis is tapping in to this reality that

00:29:44.180 the greatest threat against you is someone close to you, someone near, someone that knows your heart,

00:29:51.120 who knows who you are. And in this case, it's Edmund. And he betrays his own flesh and blood.

00:29:57.800 And he does this for power. He does the, as you said, he gets the Turkish delight.

00:30:02.340 And he even reveals the location of his own flesh and blood in order to impress the witch.

00:30:09.920 And he thinks he's going to get power from this.

00:30:12.040 Now, the only way to be redeemed from this is through a sacrifice.

00:30:17.780 And Aslan, who represents Jesus Christ, goes on the stone altar, offers himself as propitiation

00:30:23.840 for sin.

00:30:24.920 And by offering himself as an atonement for payment, he, you know, liberates the world,

00:30:32.220 but he liberates Edmund. He saves Edmund's soul. And so, you know, you may think of yourself,

00:30:37.300 well, I'm not a Judas Iscariot. I go to church. I love Jesus. But every time you sin, every time

00:30:42.180 you turn towards the devil and away from God, you are betraying Jesus Christ. And it's his cross.

00:30:48.460 It's his atonement, his sacrifice on the cross that redeems us. And what's cool about the Narnia

00:30:53.780 story is the story doesn't end there, just like our story doesn't end there. Aslan rises from the

00:31:01.440 dead. He, he defeats death. Death cannot hold him. And this is really not the end of the story.

00:31:13.080 This is the beginning of the story because death has now been shown to be weak. And, you know,

00:31:20.020 we were talking about Charlie Kirk before, you know, Charlie expressed often his love for Jesus

00:31:25.920 Christ. And we saw, you know, just the horrors over and over of his assassination on, you know,

00:31:33.000 social media and television. And we're reminded that that's not the end of the story. Christ

00:31:40.240 also was humiliated and died a public shameful death. And by that, he liberates those who

00:31:48.880 conform to him in faith and hope and love. And so that's, that's the message of Christmas. Yes.

00:31:55.260 you know, winter thaws and Father Christmas comes and Aslan comes, but ultimately we're

00:32:00.580 moving towards Holy Week and Good Friday and the resurrection on Easter and then the sending of

00:32:06.080 the Holy Spirit and the church. Like that's the full story. And in a beautiful way, C.S. Lewis

00:32:14.320 is creating this allegory that I think resonates in our souls. Why? Because it resonates through

00:32:19.060 time. It's the real story. It is the real story. And there's a reason that these

00:32:25.140 themes of sacrifice and repentance come up time and time again because this and it strikes

00:32:33.500 to something deep i think within all of us you know and uh it's it's amazing because

00:32:39.360 it's something that's still celebrated to even this day thousands of years later and we were uh

00:32:46.880 and public displays of this is something there's a reason why people say like oh jack you know but

00:32:52.700 why don't you support lord of the rings over uh over narnia why are you always pushing narnia

00:32:57.220 etc i said because it's a direct display of christianity and public displays of christianity

00:33:03.220 public display and public displays of christ praising christ should always be upheld wherever

00:33:09.700 you find them in the cultural space and yes i'm aware that not only was tolkien a traditional

00:33:16.000 catholic and uh that you know certainly there is virtue in his stories but they're not um they're

00:33:22.560 not overtly christian there's nothing overtly christian about those stories there's no christ

00:33:27.860 figure in there's no god in uh lord of the rings what there is is uh you know it's it's it's it's

00:33:34.440 high fantasy it's a high fantasy story you know it's a good story but it's a fantasy story it's

00:33:38.240 not a christian story and narnia is i would push back i would say it has it's a christian i would

00:33:44.360 say that but there's nothing where's narnia story at all you know honestly like i don't understand

00:33:48.700 why everyone's I'm not saying that there's aren't Christian elements but there's nothing in the

00:33:53.080 story that's Christian uh like allegorically there is but that's allegory that's not the

00:33:59.680 story itself I'm talking the actual plot of the story but I don't understand why everybody wants

00:34:04.400 to make like Tolkien versus Lewis you know like they can both be good well and I'm not saying

00:34:12.460 I'm not saying one's not good or the other's not good what I'm saying is one is overtly

00:34:18.040 publicly obviously taking the gospel and turning it into a story the other one is making a new

00:34:25.980 story making a high fantasy story that has you know certainly elements of good versus evil in

00:34:32.400 the same way that star wars has good versus evil and you know you might be able to find uh you know

00:34:37.420 some connections but they aren't quite as over overtly christian as they are in narnia that's

00:34:42.860 all i'm saying correct agreed and certainly this started in their lifetime as well because they

00:34:47.740 were friends and argued about it. Yeah, they were friends. And, you know, Tolkien did not care for

00:34:53.500 the Chronicle of Narnia. He thought it was too on the nose. He thought it was too one-to-one.

00:35:00.040 And I think C.S. Lewis was kind of hurt by that, you know. But what's so interesting is there,

00:35:06.020 C.S. Lewis, that originally Tolkien didn't intend for his stories to have this public,

00:35:13.420 you know this big public push but he would sort of work on them on his own and it was sort of like

00:35:18.520 a passion project and one of his one of the only people who ever read his stories hobbit and the

00:35:24.980 lord of the rings before they were publicly released was his good friend c.s lewis and it

00:35:29.440 was in fact c.s lewis who encouraged him to continue to write his stories and to publish them

00:35:34.920 so you know the the you know it's uh it's it's sort of uh it's sort of one of those um you know

00:35:40.820 chicken in the egg kind of situations where it just goes around and around but but what I what

00:35:45.840 I mean to say is what I was gonna say is this is that uh Tanya Tay and I this Christmas for the

00:35:50.920 very first time ever after the New York Republican Gala where I was the speaker I took her she really

00:35:57.720 wanted to see this she's only just wanted to see it I never went went to the Rockettes the old good

00:36:02.500 old Rockettes Christmas special there in New York and I didn't realize this and you know just shows

00:36:09.380 my like look i'm not like super into that kind of stuff um it's fine it's nothing wrong with it but

00:36:14.520 i did not realize and i i i will even say mea culpa for not realizing this

00:36:20.080 they have been doing a public nativity scene a living nativity right in the middle of the

00:36:26.560 christmas spectacular at the at radio city music hall in the heart of new york city for over 90

00:36:32.480 years it was phenomenal they were living animals they were real camels they had the the wise men

00:36:39.080 and the entire, you know, the retainers and the coterie

00:36:43.280 that would travel with kings, you know, crossing across the stage.

00:36:46.480 And then the culmination is this gigantic living nativity scene

00:36:51.440 with the Star of Bethlehem.

00:36:53.400 They have Joseph.

00:36:54.680 They have Mary.

00:36:55.880 They have the child swaddled in a manger in front of thousands of people

00:37:00.100 right there in the heart of Rockefeller Center.

00:37:03.080 And I just stood up and started clapping.

00:37:05.640 And I said, and they've never taken that out of the Rockette show.

00:37:10.780 That's one of the only original, um, there's a few pieces of it.

00:37:15.000 The toy soldiers, obviously the kick line and the divinity scene are some of the only

00:37:18.760 pieces of the original 1930s Rockette show that have never been taken out of the performance.

00:37:26.120 And I hope they never will because you, we need to hold on to these public over displays

00:37:33.420 of Christianity if we are ever going to win the culture war. How do we fight the culture war?

00:37:39.100 With Christian culture. It's just that simple. Jack Posobiec, Dr. Taylor Marshall,

00:37:44.200 right back. The Narnia Christmas special.

00:38:03.420 all right folks jack so week back live final segment here of our human events narnia christmas

00:38:15.740 special talking of course about the lion the witch and the wardrobe it's an incredible christmas story

00:38:21.940 highly recommend for everyone out at home either watch the movie or read the book if you have the

00:38:27.900 time it's a great book and we're all with dr taylor marshall and the last piece you know we

00:38:33.040 really have to talk about in all of this is not just how amazing the story is, but also how

00:38:43.240 Netflix is going to be trying to destroy Narnia and woke Netflix, which I've certainly been

00:38:50.080 waging a crusade against all year after what they've done with Stranger Things, adding the

00:38:55.340 lgbtp yes that's right i included the p uh in in stranger things and all the rest of it

00:39:03.260 it's disgusting and of course they are coming for narnia now so dr marshall have you have you dug

00:39:09.560 into much about how netflix is is talking about you know quote-unquote updating and adapting

00:39:15.840 narnia well if i recall they've announced that aslan's going to be a female do i have that right

00:39:21.980 so it's it's sort of weird they it's been like leaked to the it's in all the trade papers like

00:39:29.660 Hollywood Reporter and Deadline and stuff like that yet no one's ever actually officially

00:39:35.260 confirmed it but it's heavily reported that Aslan is going to be female they're also updating the

00:39:42.380 time frame so it's no longer going to be a World War II film now keep in mind they're doing

00:39:47.940 magician's nephew first. So that's the one that's coming out now. And then, uh, presumably that

00:39:54.260 Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe would be the second one they're doing. And, uh, but, but the

00:39:58.800 biggest, I think the biggest red flag of all is that they've got the hardcore woke feminist, um,

00:40:06.080 director Greta Gerwig, who did the Barbie movie, um, which is a, just a full on celebration of

00:40:12.760 abortion from scene one it is an attack on men it is a gender war movie about how women should

00:40:20.240 and by the way the culmination of the barbie movie for anyone who doesn't understand how this stuff

00:40:24.520 works is that women should be in charge and that men should subjugate themselves to women uh just

00:40:31.440 just on that point dr marshall is is that biblical is that what god calls us is that god is that god

00:40:36.840 Is that godly instituted marriage? I have not seen the Barbie film for the record, but

00:40:42.780 there is an order to reality. We call God father, our father who art in heaven. We do not say

00:40:52.160 our mother. Jesus Christ is the son of God. He's not the daughter of God. Pastors and priests

00:41:02.220 are male because they are in persona Christi. They're in the person of Christ. And the reason

00:41:07.900 for this is that the church, the people of God in the Bible, in the Old Testament, in the New

00:41:13.240 Testament, collectively as the church, we are the bride of Christ. There's a feminine receptive

00:41:19.280 nature to the church because we're receiving the grace and salvation of God. And so the transcendent

00:41:24.820 is masculine and the recipient is feminine. And there's a synergy there. There's a beauty there.

00:41:30.880 There's a connection there. You see this in Lewis's writings. You see this in Tolkien's writing. All the great authors and poets and playwrights have been able to capture, you know, in a literary way, in an allegorical way, this theme that's throughout all of creation.

00:41:49.640 It's really only paganism and occultism and magic that subverts that so that you have

00:41:57.900 priestesses, you have got a mother goddess, um, et cetera.

00:42:02.900 And, and really modern feminism comes from that occult, uh, magical Gnostic evil tradition.

00:42:12.120 I'm just going to say it, um, because it's perverting and inverting nature.

00:42:16.480 And this is why it's also usually in support of abortion and contraception and inverting the roles of masculine and feminine.

00:42:27.580 And so what we really need in this time is for, you know, I loved what you said on Megyn Kelly.

00:42:33.460 You know, you said, you know, it's time.

00:42:35.020 I think you said it's time for the men to take care of things.

00:42:37.000 Is that what you said, Jack?

00:42:38.740 That's exactly right.

00:42:40.280 Yeah.

00:42:41.040 Yeah.

00:42:41.220 I said, Megyn, no offense, but it's time for the men to handle things.

00:42:45.560 There we go.

00:42:46.480 And a lot of people may feel threatened by that. But when you when you're moving with increasing speed towards chaos, death, low birth rates, the collapse of civilization, you know, hard times create great men.

00:43:03.240 And we're shifting into that epic. And so what we need to be teaching is, is that, you know, I just wrote this book, Christian Patriot.

00:43:11.640 Why is it Patriot? Patriot is patriotism. It's love of the fatherland,

00:43:16.220 pater. God is father. Our nation is the Patriots, the fatherland. And we are called as men to be

00:43:23.280 fathers, benevolent, sacrificial fathers, just like St. Nicholas, just like our Lord Jesus Christ,

00:43:31.220 all the great saints. And yes, women do that as well. But when it comes to leading and headship

00:43:36.760 and sacrifice. Men should lead the way. And so I'm really upset. I mean, Netflix,

00:43:44.400 the liberal culture is taking everything that is good and holy. You know, they're doing this

00:43:49.300 Jesus Christ superstar and they have that woman who's in Wicked playing Jesus Christ, that

00:43:55.340 emaciated African-American woman. I forgot about this. Yeah. She's playing Jesus Christ on stage

00:44:02.600 as a African-American emaciated woman.

00:44:05.620 So what they're doing is they're taking

00:44:06.620 all of the Christian tradition that,

00:44:09.680 you know, even in the last 50 years,

00:44:12.040 so much of culture is lost.

00:44:13.380 It's Christian ethos.

00:44:15.060 Whatever's left, Chronicles of Narnia,

00:44:18.040 you know, Jesus Christ Supertar,

00:44:19.400 which is actually a blasphemous thing

00:44:20.700 from the beginning.

00:44:21.460 They're taking it and they're just scrubbing it down

00:44:24.400 and they're reinterpreting it

00:44:26.380 in a pagan evil manifestation.

00:44:30.540 So I'm 100% against what,

00:44:32.240 our family has not had Netflix for years. I think they're groomers. I think they're infiltrators. I

00:44:38.680 think they're bad. I think if you're watching right now, you should just, as soon as you're

00:44:41.980 done watching this, just go on your Netflix account and cancel it because they are subverting

00:44:47.940 the culture and they're undercutting the presence of Jesus Christ in our midst.

00:44:53.380 And fathers, you need to rule your household. You can't have sewage flowing into your living

00:44:57.800 room through what's called a television. It's time to stop the madness, cut that off. And hey,

00:45:03.040 instead of watching Netflix, why don't you sit down by the fireplace with the Chronicles of

00:45:07.900 Narnia and read them out loud to your children? They will never forget it. It is magical. This

00:45:15.100 is what we need to do. Agree, Jack? I couldn't agree more. And I just finished reading them all

00:45:21.640 with my oldest son and all seven books did the voices and there are so many we'll have to do

00:45:29.400 uh we'll have to do some other episodes there's because there's some really really deep christian

00:45:35.480 theology that's being imparted in there and yes you get the gospel story the gospel account in

00:45:40.920 a sense in you know in this sense of the lion the witch and the wardrobe but i've always thought

00:45:46.680 you know, the Voyage of the Dawn Treader, where the one that's their cousin, Eustace,

00:45:53.640 and he has to become a dragon, but then because of his sinful nature, and then Aslan is the one

00:45:58.440 who tears the dragon's skin off of him. I mean, just, you know, because we can't do it all by

00:46:03.480 ourselves, that we have to accept Christ in order to remove the last vestiges of our sinful nature.

00:46:09.800 And then even in all the way up to the last battle where a false god is what many are Narnia are tricked into believing.

00:46:19.600 A false Christ, a false athlete Christ, something that the Antichrist, it's very clear.

00:46:25.700 You know, reading that as a kid, I always thought that Tashlan was a really, you know, a really just, you know, really like a, like a, you know, a very strong villain character.

00:46:39.060 and then Tash of course was terrifying as the actual devil the Satan and but then reading it

00:46:44.880 as an adult and realizing the references that C.S. Lewis was making I was thinking like man

00:46:50.860 C.S. Lewis was based yeah he was this is some this is some really serious stuff that he's

00:46:57.880 that he's introducing kids to and and to think man maybe I've always had that sense my whole life

00:47:04.000 because you know I read those books when I was a kid and my parents read them to me Dr. Marshall

00:47:08.040 where can people go to follow your brother uh you can go to my website taylormarshall.com you

00:47:12.500 also have my youtube channel dr taylor marshall podcast and i'd love to see y'all over there we

00:47:17.680 talk about these kind of things all the time so great to be with you jack and uh y'all have a

00:47:22.120 happy advent and merry christmas happy advent and merry christmas to you dr taylor marshall

00:47:27.720 ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore

00:47:38.040 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 24, 2025

The Chronicles of Narnia Christmas Special

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