Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 31, 2024


The Chronicles of the Christians - Part IV： Notre Dame


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48 minutes

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Summary

The Notre Dame Cathedral is a living, breathing symbol of faith, resilience, and cultural identity. From its beginning in the 12th century under King Louis VII to the attacks on it in the French Revolution, to its restoration by Napoleon and the people of Paris, to the devastating fire in 2019, Notre Dame s story is one of human aspiration, reaching towards the divine. So let s embark on this journey back to 1163, when the first stone was laid.


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00:00:30.000 Welcome to CBS This Morning.
00:00:57.240 We're talking about one of the great symbols of Paris
00:00:59.580 and all of Western civilization.
00:01:01.660 It is still standing this morning after a fire that nearly destroyed it.
00:01:05.860 Flames brought down the spire and much of the roof at Notre Dame Cathedral yesterday.
00:01:11.040 And think about this.
00:01:11.860 It's the start of Holy Week.
00:01:13.840 Five years after a fire caused major damage,
00:01:16.900 the Notre Dame Cathedral is back open again.
00:01:19.820 On Sunday, the cathedral held its first mass since the fire.
00:01:23.040 President-elect Donald Trump joining 35 heads of state for a reopening ceremony on Saturday.
00:01:29.720 The first lady, Jill Biden, and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky also attended.
00:01:35.280 Now, this was Trump's first foreign trip since winning the race for the White House.
00:01:40.040 Amazing grace, how sweet the sound.
00:02:05.900 That saved a wretch like me.
00:02:16.180 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
00:02:24.240 And welcome to what has been just such an enlightening journey through history, faith, the human spirit.
00:02:33.880 This is the Chronicles of the Christians.
00:02:37.660 I'm Jack Posobiec, and we've reached the last episode of our series with an episode that's close to many hearts,
00:02:43.400 titled The Truth About Notre Dame.
00:02:46.100 Today, we are not just looking at a cathedral.
00:02:49.580 We're peering into the soul of Western civilization itself.
00:02:53.440 The Notre Dame Cathedral isn't just a cathedral.
00:02:55.520 It's a living, breathing symbol of faith, resilience, and cultural identity.
00:03:01.120 From its beginning in the 12th century under King Louis VII,
00:03:04.620 to the attacks on it in the French Revolution,
00:03:07.140 to its restoration by Napoleon and the people of Paris,
00:03:10.280 to the devastating fire in 2019,
00:03:13.420 Notre Dame's story is one of human aspiration,
00:03:16.920 reaching towards the divine.
00:03:18.440 So let's embark on this journey back to 1163,
00:03:23.380 when the first stone was laid.
00:03:26.340 Imagine the medieval world,
00:03:28.060 where the construction of such a cathedral
00:03:30.040 was not just an architectural feat,
00:03:32.160 but a political statement,
00:03:33.880 a testament to the power of both church and crown.
00:03:37.900 Over the centuries, this cathedral has been more than a place of worship.
00:03:41.360 It's been the backdrop to revolutions,
00:03:43.580 coronations, and the daily life of Parisians.
00:03:46.180 But our story takes a dramatic turn on April 15th, 2019.
00:03:51.180 The suspicious fire that engulfed Notre Dame
00:03:55.540 at a time when many churches were facing arson attacks across France.
00:04:02.180 And this wasn't just a physical event.
00:04:04.720 It was a heart-wrenching moment for millions who watched their history in a place of spiritual worship.
00:04:15.600 Burn.
00:04:17.540 Yet from those ashes, we've seen an extraordinary response,
00:04:20.300 a global call to restore, rebuild, remember.
00:04:24.820 And in this final episode, we will delve into the origins of Notre Dame.
00:04:29.040 It's political history, the devastating fire.
00:04:31.460 And we'll talk about what may have caused that devastating fire.
00:04:36.180 And, of course, the ongoing restoration.
00:04:39.380 We'll explore why this cathedral is not just a symbol of Christendom,
00:04:42.720 but also a beacon of Western civilization's enduring spirit.
00:04:47.920 So join me and my special guest, my brother, Kevin Posobiec,
00:04:51.700 as we understand and uncover the truth about Notre Dame.
00:04:55.980 Understanding how this glorious edifice has been shaped
00:04:59.420 and has shaped the tides of history, of art, of faith.
00:05:04.220 We're going to reflect on what it means for us today
00:05:06.420 in an era where the past and future intersect in every single stone
00:05:11.940 of this magnificent cathedral.
00:05:14.780 You know, I remember visiting it for the first time with my two boys
00:05:20.720 just about a year ago and standing there with the two of them
00:05:26.040 and they asked, Daddy, can we go inside?
00:05:30.280 I said we can't go inside because there was a terrible fire.
00:05:36.080 And that's something that we have to understand
00:05:39.320 and can never allow to happen again.
00:05:43.980 So get ready for a journey that transcends time
00:05:47.320 where every arch and every stained glass window
00:05:50.040 tells a story of humanity's quest for something greater.
00:05:54.360 This is Chronicles of the Christians, the truth about Notre Dame,
00:05:58.580 and we're about to witness history, faith, and the undying human spirit.
00:06:04.860 Stay with us.
00:06:05.480 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back.
00:06:33.360 The Chronicles of the Christians, the truth about Notre Dame.
00:06:39.260 And so I wanted to bring Kevin Posobiec in here.
00:06:42.100 Kevin, how's it going, man?
00:06:44.720 Doing very well.
00:06:46.780 Good to be here with you, Jack.
00:06:47.960 So, Kevin, tell people your background a little bit
00:06:54.380 and explain to people why, you know,
00:06:57.820 why I thought it would be a great idea to have you on on this program.
00:07:02.480 Well, as you know, but many may not know,
00:07:05.360 that other than this, part of my bread and butter
00:07:08.400 is being a carpenter, woodworker, craftsman, all of the above.
00:07:12.980 And I studied it briefly in Philadelphia and the surrounding area.
00:07:19.760 And we have some family members in the trade.
00:07:22.080 It's kind of in our blood, really.
00:07:24.160 And I took a lot of pride in that for several years now.
00:07:29.580 I've been involved since around 2007, 2008, I want to say, off and on.
00:07:36.100 And we've had the privilege of, like I said,
00:07:38.620 having a family member who has, like, the old school wood shop.
00:07:42.920 And, you know, with all the machines, the joiners, the planers,
00:07:45.940 the clamps, like, the saws, everything.
00:07:49.200 And, yeah, it's been great to learn an apprentice under someone like that.
00:07:55.660 And, yeah, it reminds me of, like, how guilds used to be before unions.
00:08:00.960 And so, yeah, I've done that for several, several years now.
00:08:05.860 Over a decade, about.
00:08:08.120 And, you know, it's something that's rewarding to me.
00:08:14.520 I love studying architecture.
00:08:16.660 I studied historical preservation as well.
00:08:20.060 And I've worked with various Philadelphia craftsmen
00:08:23.640 and furniture makers over the years.
00:08:26.740 We did a lot of hardwood tables, credenzas, and custom cabinetry, doors,
00:08:36.280 flooring, beams, you name it.
00:08:39.320 I've worked in all various aspects of the woodworking field.
00:08:43.640 And, yeah, it's kind of a quick, quick resume.
00:08:47.900 Maybe I'll put this on my LinkedIn.
00:08:50.680 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:08:51.640 So when all of this went down, actually, one of the first conversations,
00:08:56.480 and obviously with the fire in 2019, I remember having a conversation with you.
00:09:01.680 And I didn't realize how much you just knew about the general construction of Notre Dame
00:09:08.360 and of the architecture.
00:09:09.840 And, you know, I can tell you, like, the basic political facts, the, you know, okay, 1163,
00:09:16.460 and it was, you know, Louis VII and the final stone, you know, the main of the main structure
00:09:21.840 was laid by Louis IX.
00:09:23.640 And we actually just talked about him in a couple of recent episodes,
00:09:26.900 having been a crusader king, Louis IX, also St. Louis.
00:09:30.340 He is the king that St. Louis is named for, Louisiana is named for.
00:09:36.600 But a lot of people don't realize some of the structural innovations
00:09:40.900 and architectural innovations that were done into this.
00:09:45.920 And just take us back to literally the Middle Ages, 1100 A.D.
00:09:53.160 What were some of the things that when they decided to build Notre Dame that went into it?
00:09:58.760 Well, so some of the aspects to look at from kind of the bigger picture looking in
00:10:05.620 down to a more detailed view is that, you know, this was a massive structure
00:10:11.440 and you would need, like, a lot of community support to get this done.
00:10:16.880 And their plans were devised, drawn up.
00:10:20.200 But then they had to make a commitment to a multi-generational structure.
00:10:24.700 So this thing was built over, I believe it was 170 odd years.
00:10:32.160 And so imagine being a master builder and not living to see, like,
00:10:37.720 the fulfillment of your project.
00:10:39.920 But they made that commitment anyway.
00:10:42.120 And that's just, like, a sacrifice that is uncommon these days.
00:10:46.860 And just the commitment that these people had and the passion for religion itself
00:10:52.360 that defined their nation.
00:10:54.940 And, you know, so it came from that.
00:10:57.960 It's a giant structure.
00:11:00.200 And as far as innovation goes, you know, growing up,
00:11:05.640 one of the things that caught my eye or ear, I should say,
00:11:10.400 is, like, the flying buttresses.
00:11:11.800 And we used to joke about that in grade school, like, oh, it's a butt, you know?
00:11:17.180 And, but either way, it just, like, struck my interest.
00:11:22.360 So the flying buttresses, they're the, you know, for me,
00:11:24.880 who's a total layman in this stuff, this was,
00:11:27.060 they're sort of part of the roof structure, but they're actually made of stone.
00:11:29.860 Is that correctly?
00:11:30.520 And those are the pieces on the side that sort of hold it up.
00:11:33.680 They're on, like, they're on, like, an angle, almost like a J angle.
00:11:35.800 Yes, that's what it looks like, the wings.
00:11:37.260 It's like a wing, like an L shape almost.
00:11:39.560 So that's what they're called flying.
00:11:41.620 Okay.
00:11:42.300 And it almost looks like it's part of another building
00:11:44.720 because you don't see that much anywhere else.
00:11:47.480 And so usually, and this is, like, definitive of Gothic architecture,
00:11:52.840 which went on to influence much more of Europe after Notre Dame was completed.
00:11:58.300 So you had, like, traditional structures, I mean, columns, I should say, columns,
00:12:02.780 and then a vaulted ceiling.
00:12:04.580 But one of the main features of Gothic architecture is the stained glass.
00:12:08.720 And, like, that was the innovative mark, hallmark feature of Notre Dame,
00:12:15.240 is these massive, very tall stained glass windows.
00:12:19.980 And when you have that and no stone, that means the wall is going to be very weak.
00:12:25.180 So how could you hold up the ceiling, which is, mind you, like, tons and tons and tons of lumber
00:12:32.780 and then lumber wrapped in lead?
00:12:36.160 Like, how would you hold that up?
00:12:37.920 So they devised this thing called a flying buttress to support the vaulted roof above
00:12:43.000 to take the weight off of the roof and then divide it down diagonally
00:12:49.200 and then vertically, again, back to the ground through these buttresses.
00:12:54.160 And that would allow internally to have, it's almost like a floating roof, if you will.
00:13:01.400 So I'm sure the stained glass itself holds some of the weight of the roof,
00:13:05.840 but it definitely alleviates a lot of it.
00:13:08.340 And the point being is, like, well, why would you want to have just large windows anyway?
00:13:11.900 But they believed in Christ saying, like, I'm the light of the world, you know?
00:13:18.500 So the more light comes in.
00:13:20.460 And keep in mind, this is a time when there weren't Bibles either.
00:13:24.540 So innovative techniques were more spiritual, really.
00:13:29.060 Like, they had hand tools.
00:13:31.100 Everything was done by hand.
00:13:32.880 And, you know, there was also, to correlate with that,
00:13:36.920 just no Bibles aside from which the clergy had at that time.
00:13:43.880 So we didn't have any cell phones, any resources to have one, each person,
00:13:50.800 each individual walking around with your own Bible, you know,
00:13:55.420 seeing that you could maybe interpret it however you want.
00:13:58.860 But that's not, that's a tangent.
00:14:00.880 So let's get back to that roof a little bit.
00:14:03.900 So, and, of course, the roof is what burned.
00:14:07.160 Tell me about the roof.
00:14:08.920 What was so special about it?
00:14:12.040 Well, to me also, you know, as an adult, you know, growing up,
00:14:15.860 it was like, oh, flying buttresses.
00:14:17.160 But when I heard it was on fire, it really, really, like, you know,
00:14:21.820 hit me in the chest, you know,
00:14:24.000 because that's made of masterpieces of timber framing,
00:14:28.900 interlocking giant pieces of wood that are also of old growth.
00:14:37.860 And, you know, I didn't realize that at first.
00:14:40.320 I thought for sure it was a roof made out of stone.
00:14:43.460 But I think the reasoning behind it was that it would be lighter
00:14:47.500 and also able to hold the flying buttresses,
00:14:50.600 which is why they used the wood in the first place.
00:14:53.920 But yes, and it's even referred to as the forest
00:14:57.080 because there was literally almost a whole entire forest used
00:15:00.820 in this construction of the roof.
00:15:04.500 And, you know, if you don't know what old growth is,
00:15:06.960 like old growth is when the tree rings, okay,
00:15:10.800 like the tree rings are very tight together.
00:15:12.840 This creates denser, stronger trees.
00:15:15.520 And generally, they're over a century year old
00:15:19.160 and they're not from like a managed forest.
00:15:21.540 That's why it's in, you know, high demand today
00:15:25.380 because there's not much more of it.
00:15:26.880 And you'll see like memes online saying like,
00:15:28.940 this is a two by four then, this is a two by four now.
00:15:31.900 And back then, most of it was literally two inches by four inches,
00:15:36.740 but now it's inch and a half, three and a half,
00:15:38.860 but the rings on it.
00:15:41.080 So when you have new growth, it's typically weaker wood.
00:15:45.580 And so the roof was made out of old growth timbers
00:15:49.800 and very strong, like comparable to which these master builders
00:15:56.560 decided to use it anyway.
00:15:58.080 And a lot of it was chosen because of its strength.
00:16:02.480 I mean, nobody would really see it.
00:16:04.400 I believe it was mostly oak and just a very strong species to use.
00:16:10.600 You will see that in churches as well.
00:16:12.460 Most pews are made out of it, structural pieces.
00:16:15.820 And yeah, so the roof was made out of that,
00:16:19.160 but also, which is why it would be a bit of a target
00:16:22.000 because wood burns easily, much more easily than like solid marble.
00:16:29.420 Nonetheless, though, being that it was old growth,
00:16:32.120 it probably burnt slower.
00:16:34.180 But yeah, it's interesting, you know, well, hey,
00:16:37.160 why did the roof catch on fire?
00:16:38.520 Like, why are these organs, church organs being lit on fire?
00:16:43.100 Because they're made of wood.
00:16:47.560 That's fascinating.
00:16:49.140 And I remember, you know, you telling me that for the first time
00:16:51.980 a while back when this all happened.
00:16:54.580 And I didn't even realize that.
00:16:57.880 And there was a whole thing,
00:16:58.740 and we'll talk about it in a little bit going forward here,
00:17:01.580 but there was a whole worry early on
00:17:05.940 that perhaps they wouldn't even have the wood
00:17:08.540 to be able to replace the forest
00:17:11.560 because those types of trees just don't exist anywhere in Europe anymore.
00:17:17.460 There's parts of Poland, Bialystok forest,
00:17:22.620 which are preserved and other areas
00:17:26.340 that are still medieval prehistoric forests.
00:17:29.440 But those types of old growth trees,
00:17:31.800 you just can't find them anywhere else.
00:17:34.200 And so the loss of that was a true loss to the world.
00:17:38.500 And so this is the information that we need to understand
00:17:42.640 when going into the truth about Notre Dame.
00:17:47.460 So we are back.
00:18:14.700 The Chronicles of the Christians
00:18:17.260 the Truth About Notre Dame.
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00:19:51.920 Kevin, so I wanted to ask you about an anecdote
00:19:56.840 or a story, I guess, that you were telling me
00:19:59.000 about the woodworkers and specifically about those beams
00:20:02.780 that people didn't even realize this,
00:20:05.100 but all the way up in the highest parts of the rafters,
00:20:09.240 there were designs carved on the beams themselves.
00:20:12.940 Isn't that right?
00:20:15.340 Yes, that's right.
00:20:16.280 You'll see nowadays people will just like sign
00:20:19.020 your signature on like a two by four stud or something
00:20:22.000 and put it in a wall.
00:20:23.440 But back then, yeah, so there was carvings
00:20:28.520 in the beams in the rafters.
00:20:30.660 And what we've seen is that people would question,
00:20:35.820 well, this is just a catwalk.
00:20:37.620 Like, you can barely get through here in candlelight.
00:20:39.680 Like, why would anybody do that?
00:20:41.340 Why would anybody get to do that?
00:20:43.820 As long as you can see the facade, you know,
00:20:46.760 and it's replicated in more and more open timber framing
00:20:52.260 in other churches.
00:20:53.160 But upon further inspection, when you look at it,
00:20:57.580 on the top, which faces the ceiling,
00:21:00.240 like more carvings would be revealed and found.
00:21:04.160 And, you know, why would somebody do that
00:21:08.080 without being seen by, you know,
00:21:11.220 the parish assembly below?
00:21:13.900 And it's because, you know,
00:21:16.860 the carvers would say like,
00:21:18.800 well, even if anybody else doesn't see it,
00:21:22.500 God still sees it and God still hears my prayers.
00:21:25.860 And I've, I've, I've.
00:21:28.760 Wait, that's great.
00:21:29.460 That's great.
00:21:29.920 So even though the carver said,
00:21:31.800 the carver said,
00:21:33.020 why would you carve the top?
00:21:34.440 And they said, because God sees it.
00:21:36.440 This, when I, when I think about the,
00:21:39.240 just the construction of Notre Dame,
00:21:42.460 and we've talked about this throughout the series,
00:21:44.560 but these were people who very seriously believed in God.
00:21:51.020 They very seriously believed in their faith.
00:21:53.720 They believed in Christ and they believed
00:21:55.860 they were making these great works
00:21:57.640 for the glorification of God.
00:22:01.100 One of the reasons that they have
00:22:02.740 the high vaulted ceilings in the first place.
00:22:04.520 This is just one little piece that I know
00:22:06.060 and credit to Tanya Tay for that
00:22:08.480 because she's the one who told me
00:22:10.680 that one of the reasons that they have
00:22:12.460 the arched ceilings is that when you walk in,
00:22:15.200 it makes you look up.
00:22:16.780 So you're looking up to God.
00:22:18.880 You're looking up above.
00:22:21.020 And, you know, the idea that it was made
00:22:23.640 so many years ago,
00:22:25.540 instituted by the Bishop of Paris at the time,
00:22:29.900 he went over and of course got royal support,
00:22:32.520 but also a lot of people just from the Parisians.
00:22:35.500 The Parisians went in on this
00:22:37.320 and they viewed it as a worthy work.
00:22:39.980 And something that a lot of people don't realize, Kev,
00:22:42.580 is that, you know,
00:22:45.680 they talk about the fact that it took many years to build,
00:22:48.680 but you've talked to me about the concept
00:22:51.640 of multi-generational construction.
00:22:55.000 How did that play out and what does that mean?
00:22:56.900 Well, it played out over a series of bishops
00:23:04.200 and, you know,
00:23:06.000 bishops would clearly oversee the construction
00:23:08.260 because they were, you know,
00:23:10.820 any bishop is in control of the finances
00:23:13.220 of any kind of diocese.
00:23:15.240 But yeah, aside from that,
00:23:17.760 very different architects over the years,
00:23:22.100 famous Frenchman began with Bishop Maurice de Sully
00:23:26.900 for the first 90 odd years.
00:23:30.860 I mean, and then Jean de Chal,
00:23:33.600 second Pierre de Montreux,
00:23:36.300 Pierre de Chal,
00:23:37.700 Jean Ravi,
00:23:38.920 Pierre de Montreux as well.
00:23:42.180 So of all these,
00:23:43.960 again, it's just those were,
00:23:46.020 you know, off and on,
00:23:46.860 they all didn't have like a specific time frame
00:23:49.720 to be there working on the project.
00:23:52.520 But each one was credited
00:23:55.360 with at least getting like one level.
00:23:57.860 I believe there's like four different sections
00:23:59.780 and one builder was in charge of like the columns
00:24:04.640 and then the first floor.
00:24:06.160 And then a lot of them did do work on the nave, actually.
00:24:09.660 That is like the roof and the arch at the top
00:24:12.680 up until around the French Revolution
00:24:17.460 when it started to become a little decrepit
00:24:22.460 and, you know, forgotten about
00:24:24.920 and the upkeep generally wasn't that great.
00:24:27.880 But yeah, the multi-generationalness of it,
00:24:31.380 I don't know.
00:24:32.780 It's, like I said,
00:24:35.640 it's just a giant commitment to,
00:24:38.900 it's one thing to, you know,
00:24:40.100 like where's your goal?
00:24:41.120 Like, is it based on getting a certain amount done
00:24:46.360 in your lifetime?
00:24:48.660 But just even having like,
00:24:50.360 you're like committing your life to the job.
00:24:53.960 It's just an amazing,
00:24:55.900 it's amazing commitment.
00:24:57.660 And yeah, there's many.
00:25:00.900 And you had people who would come in,
00:25:02.460 people who would come in,
00:25:03.840 who would work their entire life on it.
00:25:06.220 And they themselves knew
00:25:08.760 that it wouldn't even be seen in their lifetime,
00:25:12.400 the end of it,
00:25:13.220 that they would keep going
00:25:14.680 and that eventually it would be passed on
00:25:17.840 to the next generation.
00:25:18.960 And they talk about how
00:25:20.300 that is a sign of a healthy civilization,
00:25:23.460 a civilization that builds things
00:25:26.280 for the future
00:25:27.860 and for future generations,
00:25:29.280 even when it doesn't directly defend
00:25:32.420 or doesn't directly support them
00:25:35.520 in the near term.
00:25:37.580 And so, you know,
00:25:38.540 when I look at things like that,
00:25:39.540 and yeah, you mentioned the revolution
00:25:40.680 and people will remember
00:25:41.980 in the Chronicles of the Revolution series
00:25:44.320 last year
00:25:45.060 and in the book,
00:25:45.780 Unhumans,
00:25:46.520 Secret History of Communist,
00:25:47.280 Revolutions,
00:25:47.760 How to Crush Them,
00:25:48.380 that we talked about
00:25:49.800 how the fire of Notre Dame,
00:25:52.540 and I want to talk about that
00:25:53.440 in the next segment,
00:25:54.260 but the fire of Notre Dame
00:25:55.200 was not the first time
00:25:56.660 that it was destroyed.
00:26:02.300 And one of the first attacks
00:26:03.820 on the Cathedral of Notre Dame,
00:26:05.740 this predates,
00:26:07.120 so predates the Napoleon coronation,
00:26:10.800 this predates the Hunchback of Notre Dame
00:26:13.060 was actually during the,
00:26:14.800 you know,
00:26:15.900 the late 1790s
00:26:17.560 when Notre Dame Cathedral
00:26:19.340 was attacked,
00:26:20.260 the statues of the 12 kings of Israel,
00:26:22.340 which are outside,
00:26:23.420 lining the facade,
00:26:24.820 they were smashed.
00:26:25.700 A lot of the stained glass was smashed.
00:26:27.660 But during this time,
00:26:28.980 the relics that were inside,
00:26:30.500 one of the main relics,
00:26:31.620 just as was saved
00:26:34.520 during the fire of 2019,
00:26:36.320 was the crown of thorns.
00:26:38.840 And it is the crown of thorns
00:26:40.600 that is believed to have been
00:26:42.360 saved from the crusades,
00:26:44.820 from the caliphate,
00:26:45.920 from the hordes
00:26:47.460 that were marching across the Holy Land,
00:26:50.000 that they saved it,
00:26:51.060 and the crusader knights
00:26:52.060 brought it back
00:26:52.840 and put it in Notre Dame
00:26:54.020 for safekeeping,
00:26:54.900 which is similar to
00:26:55.880 what we talked about
00:26:56.940 in the previous episode
00:26:57.980 and the Shroud of Turin
00:26:59.000 and its journey
00:26:59.640 across the Holy Land
00:27:02.900 and then the Middle East
00:27:03.820 and then across Europe.
00:27:05.400 And so with the church itself,
00:27:08.380 though,
00:27:09.600 the French Revolution,
00:27:10.860 people don't realize this,
00:27:11.600 it was completely atheist,
00:27:12.540 it was very anti-Christian,
00:27:13.860 it was very anti-priest,
00:27:15.860 it was anti-none,
00:27:16.720 they were executing nuns
00:27:17.900 at one point in Paris,
00:27:19.380 and the Cathedral of Notre Dame
00:27:21.140 was converted
00:27:21.920 from a Christian cathedral
00:27:24.140 at the time
00:27:25.000 to a temple to reason
00:27:27.380 and where only science
00:27:29.880 and reason could be worshipped.
00:27:32.140 Kev,
00:27:32.360 does that sound a little similar
00:27:34.340 to anything to you?
00:27:37.100 Only what?
00:27:38.280 Only science and reason
00:27:39.720 could be used?
00:27:40.600 Only science and reason,
00:27:41.980 yeah, right?
00:27:43.200 Kind of like,
00:27:43.800 oh, I don't know,
00:27:44.560 Reddit and the secular left today
00:27:46.360 are the exact same
00:27:47.660 as the secular left
00:27:48.780 of the French Revolution.
00:27:50.240 There's nothing
00:27:51.200 under the sun.
00:27:53.400 And so you gotta,
00:27:54.920 you got to understand
00:27:56.420 that this wasn't
00:27:57.800 even the first time.
00:27:58.700 And then so Napoleon
00:28:00.040 comes back
00:28:01.160 at the end of the revolution.
00:28:03.580 He gets in
00:28:04.800 and is able,
00:28:07.700 Napoleon gets in
00:28:08.700 and is able
00:28:09.440 to completely restore it.
00:28:12.260 He has it
00:28:13.240 reconsecrated
00:28:14.020 with the church.
00:28:14.920 He becomes
00:28:15.440 in with the church.
00:28:16.720 He's coronated there
00:28:17.940 as not just the king,
00:28:20.380 but as the emperor
00:28:21.240 of France.
00:28:22.160 And of course,
00:28:22.840 people know how
00:28:23.360 that story goes after it.
00:28:25.320 But then it falls
00:28:25.960 into disrepair
00:28:26.780 yet again.
00:28:27.960 And it's really
00:28:28.900 through the novel.
00:28:30.020 It's through
00:28:30.340 Victor Hugo's
00:28:31.320 great novel,
00:28:32.680 The Hunchback
00:28:33.400 of Notre Dame.
00:28:34.800 Many years later,
00:28:36.020 Victor Hugo,
00:28:36.520 of course,
00:28:37.400 also wrote Les Mis
00:28:39.220 depicting France
00:28:41.500 during the time
00:28:42.160 of Napoleonic Wars
00:28:43.260 that really after
00:28:46.300 The Hunchback
00:28:47.340 of Notre Dame
00:28:47.800 comes out,
00:28:48.560 that's when
00:28:49.520 Notre Dame
00:28:50.640 takes on its character
00:28:51.920 as this beloved
00:28:53.160 national symbol.
00:28:54.520 By the way,
00:28:54.780 Notre Dame
00:28:55.080 isn't even the largest
00:28:56.100 cathedral in Paris.
00:28:57.460 It's certainly not
00:28:57.940 the largest one
00:28:58.660 in France,
00:28:59.700 but there's something
00:29:00.360 about it
00:29:01.120 being at the heart,
00:29:02.340 at the central
00:29:03.100 beating heart
00:29:03.960 of France,
00:29:05.960 which makes it
00:29:06.800 at the central
00:29:07.560 beating heart
00:29:08.640 of Western civilization.
00:29:11.380 Of course,
00:29:11.800 World War II
00:29:12.400 also happened.
00:29:13.360 Charles de Gaulle
00:29:13.820 was almost...
00:29:14.340 By the way,
00:29:14.960 when the French
00:29:16.160 liberated Paris
00:29:18.100 after the Nazi occupation,
00:29:20.440 Charles de Gaulle
00:29:20.960 was almost assassinated
00:29:22.460 there by Nazi sharpshooters,
00:29:24.560 but he said,
00:29:26.440 I am going to mass
00:29:28.780 at the Cathedral
00:29:29.900 de Notre Dame
00:29:31.060 de Paris.
00:29:31.840 and he demanded
00:29:33.480 that he would go to mass
00:29:34.520 even as there were still
00:29:35.520 German sharpshooters
00:29:36.660 in the city
00:29:37.400 and a couple of them
00:29:39.020 almost actually killed
00:29:40.560 Charles de Gaulle
00:29:41.460 as he was going
00:29:42.580 to the Notre Dame
00:29:43.680 for mass.
00:29:44.400 And so,
00:29:45.220 you just look at
00:29:46.440 so many of the pieces
00:29:47.840 of Western civilization,
00:29:49.740 Western history,
00:29:50.980 Christendom,
00:29:51.640 Christian history
00:29:52.360 that are all
00:29:53.180 directly tied up
00:29:54.180 with the cathedral
00:29:55.520 of Notre Dame.
00:29:56.400 All right,
00:30:10.460 Jack Posobiec
00:30:25.420 back here.
00:30:26.480 The Chronicles
00:30:27.220 of the Christians,
00:30:28.540 the truth about Notre Dame.
00:30:30.980 Kev,
00:30:31.600 I'm thinking
00:30:32.160 we need to actually
00:30:34.440 get into the fire.
00:30:36.780 Do you think it's time
00:30:37.520 to jump in the fire?
00:30:39.540 Yeah,
00:30:40.160 I know that song.
00:30:40.820 I think this is big.
00:30:41.420 And so,
00:30:41.880 and so look,
00:30:42.520 I'm just going to say
00:30:43.200 it right out.
00:30:44.380 I don't buy the official story.
00:30:45.980 I don't buy the official story
00:30:46.980 at all.
00:30:47.760 I think it's a joke.
00:30:48.940 I think it's hilarious.
00:30:50.140 I remember they,
00:30:50.800 one of the first things
00:30:51.660 they said was,
00:30:53.280 oh,
00:30:53.440 this was definitely
00:30:54.020 not arson.
00:30:54.740 This was definitely
00:30:55.220 not terrorism.
00:30:56.100 But they said that
00:30:57.100 before they conducted,
00:30:58.460 before they conducted
00:30:59.900 any actual explanation
00:31:01.720 or any investigation,
00:31:03.320 they didn't dig
00:31:03.840 into anything.
00:31:04.780 They just right,
00:31:05.440 right away said,
00:31:06.220 oh,
00:31:08.560 and so I've got a list.
00:31:09.760 I'm going to go
00:31:10.100 through this list
00:31:10.620 right now.
00:31:12.020 2019,
00:31:14.060 the St. Jacques Church
00:31:16.140 in Grenoble, France
00:31:17.380 in January 2019
00:31:18.940 was the site
00:31:19.760 of attempted arson attack.
00:31:21.380 In February 2019,
00:31:23.700 the St. Alain Cathedral
00:31:25.060 in Lavour
00:31:25.740 was the target
00:31:27.380 of an arson attack
00:31:28.260 where the altar cloth
00:31:29.300 was burned
00:31:29.940 and crosses
00:31:30.540 and statues
00:31:31.140 were smashed.
00:31:32.200 The St. Sulpice Church
00:31:33.440 in Paris in Paris
00:31:35.040 in March 2019,
00:31:36.560 another significant church
00:31:37.800 in Paris
00:31:38.580 was set on fire.
00:31:40.080 The incident
00:31:40.500 was confirmed
00:31:41.300 to be arson
00:31:42.100 with the fire
00:31:42.960 starting from a pile
00:31:44.100 of clothes
00:31:44.760 outside the church
00:31:45.940 and then even
00:31:46.780 as recent
00:31:47.660 as September 2024,
00:31:50.060 the Church
00:31:50.500 of the Immaculate
00:31:51.300 Conception
00:31:51.880 in St. Omer,
00:31:52.940 France,
00:31:53.620 a historic church
00:31:54.620 was completely
00:31:55.960 destroyed
00:31:56.920 by an arson attack.
00:31:58.780 The suspect
00:31:59.640 in that,
00:32:00.340 Joel Vigoreau,
00:32:01.900 known for similar acts,
00:32:03.600 was arrested
00:32:04.160 following the incident.
00:32:05.860 Look,
00:32:06.540 we know
00:32:07.200 that throughout,
00:32:08.740 okay,
00:32:09.360 throughout France
00:32:11.180 and throughout Paris,
00:32:12.340 there have been
00:32:12.960 church burnings
00:32:14.020 that have gone on
00:32:15.280 specifically
00:32:16.340 in 2019
00:32:17.360 and 2020,
00:32:18.720 many of which
00:32:19.480 were targeted
00:32:20.440 and linked
00:32:21.440 directly to
00:32:22.500 radical Islamists
00:32:24.700 and suggesting
00:32:25.920 a pattern
00:32:26.800 that I believe
00:32:27.900 would extend
00:32:28.680 to the Notre Dame
00:32:29.760 Cathedral
00:32:30.240 and yet we
00:32:31.340 just keep getting told,
00:32:32.700 oh,
00:32:32.860 it was like
00:32:33.260 some faulty
00:32:33.980 electric wiring
00:32:35.160 and the faulty wiring
00:32:36.840 or a cigarette
00:32:37.660 and yet they haven't
00:32:38.780 actually produced
00:32:40.020 anything
00:32:40.700 that would
00:32:42.060 show us that
00:32:42.760 and they say,
00:32:43.160 oh,
00:32:43.220 there were some
00:32:43.600 repairs going on
00:32:44.780 and it was probably
00:32:46.000 one of the workers,
00:32:46.880 it's no big deal
00:32:47.760 and yet,
00:32:48.880 let's also go back
00:32:50.020 because the timing
00:32:51.340 of this,
00:32:52.340 right,
00:32:52.640 April,
00:32:53.160 what was happening
00:32:53.860 in April of 2019,
00:32:55.540 it was Holy Week.
00:32:56.720 It was the very start
00:32:58.660 of Holy Week
00:32:59.580 of Easter
00:33:00.320 in 2019.
00:33:01.860 This is the most
00:33:02.620 important week
00:33:03.440 for Christians
00:33:04.520 of the entire year
00:33:06.180 and no,
00:33:07.660 I'm sorry,
00:33:08.280 it's not a conspiracy theory,
00:33:10.100 it is not a wild speculation
00:33:12.080 to talk about this,
00:33:13.520 we are giving you specifics
00:33:14.940 as to what we're going on.
00:33:16.260 So Kevin,
00:33:16.580 let me ask you
00:33:17.380 as someone who,
00:33:19.460 look,
00:33:19.660 you know what you're talking about,
00:33:21.100 I would go so far
00:33:22.620 as to say you're an expert
00:33:23.560 in this field,
00:33:25.780 given everything you said,
00:33:27.100 the old growth
00:33:28.080 lined in lead,
00:33:29.820 do you really think
00:33:31.120 that just some
00:33:32.460 electrical wiring
00:33:33.580 and,
00:33:34.840 or like a cigarette
00:33:35.920 would be enough
00:33:37.160 to set the entire
00:33:38.420 roof of Notre Dame
00:33:40.220 ablaze?
00:33:41.320 No,
00:33:41.900 I don't think it would be,
00:33:43.000 I don't think it would be enough,
00:33:44.840 honestly,
00:33:45.500 but,
00:33:46.580 you know,
00:33:46.900 I'm interested to know
00:33:48.440 about any of the,
00:33:49.840 any of the scaffolding
00:33:51.180 and safety measures
00:33:53.140 and,
00:33:54.220 maybe if there was any,
00:33:55.160 like,
00:33:55.500 treatment of the wood
00:33:56.820 as it was,
00:33:58.280 as it was on there
00:34:00.100 because,
00:34:01.220 if you ever worked
00:34:02.080 with any kind of wood,
00:34:03.580 you would know
00:34:04.220 that many of the
00:34:05.260 finishing chemicals
00:34:06.300 that you use
00:34:07.260 or any stains,
00:34:09.100 they're highly flammable.
00:34:12.060 So,
00:34:12.560 instead of
00:34:13.100 outright
00:34:14.300 pouring gasoline
00:34:16.100 on wood,
00:34:17.720 what's another way
00:34:18.860 to light wood
00:34:20.300 on fire
00:34:20.920 is
00:34:21.400 but
00:34:22.000 to put lacquer
00:34:23.900 maybe
00:34:24.180 or
00:34:24.940 some kind
00:34:26.260 of other stain
00:34:27.020 or protective coating
00:34:28.660 to,
00:34:29.720 uh,
00:34:30.280 increase the
00:34:31.180 sustainability
00:34:31.800 over time,
00:34:33.600 whatever they might
00:34:34.500 need to use,
00:34:36.400 coat the beams
00:34:37.140 with,
00:34:38.160 and,
00:34:38.840 you know,
00:34:39.820 maybe it could just
00:34:40.460 be placed up there
00:34:41.420 for safekeeping
00:34:42.440 while the reconstruction
00:34:43.780 is happening,
00:34:44.900 or I'm sorry,
00:34:45.480 while the,
00:34:45.980 uh,
00:34:46.320 repairs at the time
00:34:47.520 in 2019
00:34:48.140 were happening,
00:34:49.680 and that's,
00:34:51.440 that's a plausible theory.
00:34:53.360 I don't know
00:34:53.940 exactly what techniques
00:34:55.200 they were using.
00:34:55.780 let me just make sure,
00:34:57.120 maybe just make sure
00:34:57.960 I understand
00:34:58.280 what you're saying,
00:34:58.820 though,
00:34:59.360 is you're saying
00:34:59.980 that some of the materials
00:35:01.520 that could have been,
00:35:02.960 that could have been
00:35:04.000 up there,
00:35:05.240 uh,
00:35:05.700 in use for
00:35:06.980 the actual
00:35:08.200 restoration
00:35:09.440 or some of the repair
00:35:10.420 work that was being done,
00:35:11.860 those materials
00:35:12.900 could also have been
00:35:14.680 themselves
00:35:15.520 accelerants for the fire,
00:35:17.520 and so,
00:35:18.320 and again,
00:35:18.820 you know,
00:35:19.680 if someone were there
00:35:21.000 who had a,
00:35:23.640 uh,
00:35:24.500 you know,
00:35:24.880 who had ulterior motives,
00:35:26.680 someone who,
00:35:27.580 who wanted
00:35:28.320 to do something like this,
00:35:30.000 as we saw,
00:35:30.740 again,
00:35:31.000 and I just went through
00:35:31.680 the list of so many,
00:35:33.720 so many,
00:35:34.780 uh,
00:35:35.840 churches that were burned
00:35:37.440 and have been burned
00:35:38.340 and are still being burned
00:35:39.720 in France
00:35:40.340 by radical Islamists
00:35:41.760 as well as leftists,
00:35:43.220 that,
00:35:43.980 you know,
00:35:44.540 it,
00:35:44.760 it really,
00:35:46.280 really,
00:35:47.240 I think,
00:35:47.900 requires just a healthy dose
00:35:50.040 of salt
00:35:51.360 to sit there and say,
00:35:52.740 oh,
00:35:53.160 well,
00:35:53.640 yeah,
00:35:53.920 it's,
00:35:54.180 you know,
00:35:54.680 all of the churches
00:35:55.760 but this one,
00:35:56.620 all of the churches
00:35:57.700 but the biggest one,
00:35:58.700 I mean,
00:35:59.060 come on,
00:35:59.660 it's a joke.
00:36:00.860 I mean,
00:36:01.900 Jack,
00:36:02.280 we're,
00:36:02.500 we're coming around
00:36:03.320 Christmas time here,
00:36:04.700 right,
00:36:05.040 and,
00:36:05.440 uh,
00:36:06.100 you recall,
00:36:06.980 I believe it was the same year,
00:36:08.860 if not 2020,
00:36:09.740 there was a report
00:36:11.400 from New York City
00:36:13.400 from St. Patrick's Cathedral
00:36:15.540 where a man
00:36:16.380 was arrested
00:36:17.820 for going into the cathedral
00:36:20.500 with two,
00:36:21.700 like,
00:36:22.520 red gallons of gasoline.
00:36:24.880 Yeah,
00:36:25.500 the gas cans.
00:36:26.180 Or it was,
00:36:27.000 clearly,
00:36:29.480 uh,
00:36:30.060 would not need any,
00:36:31.240 any reason to do that
00:36:32.760 or ever be in,
00:36:33.800 like,
00:36:34.220 any public square
00:36:35.500 for that matter
00:36:37.040 with just random gasoline.
00:36:40.100 And,
00:36:40.320 uh,
00:36:40.800 so,
00:36:41.320 it's,
00:36:41.840 yeah,
00:36:43.180 that,
00:36:43.560 that,
00:36:44.060 it was,
00:36:44.560 it was very recently
00:36:45.580 after Notre Dame.
00:36:47.120 So,
00:36:47.560 you know,
00:36:48.920 and I wanted to make a point too
00:36:50.460 that,
00:36:50.780 like,
00:36:51.540 if you're up there
00:36:52.440 during the construction
00:36:53.560 and the,
00:36:54.020 and the scaffolding's there
00:36:55.240 and you're working
00:36:56.300 on the roof,
00:36:57.420 sometimes,
00:36:58.740 because I was also doing
00:36:59.800 some work myself
00:37:00.880 with the parish
00:37:02.200 I used to attend
00:37:02.880 outside of Philadelphia,
00:37:04.020 the Latin Mass,
00:37:04.880 and we were getting all,
00:37:06.440 like,
00:37:06.940 pure slate replacement
00:37:08.440 over the roof.
00:37:09.520 So,
00:37:10.000 one of the requests
00:37:10.760 from the builders
00:37:11.420 was to
00:37:12.200 build catwalks inside
00:37:14.360 and,
00:37:15.440 anyways,
00:37:16.020 if you're going to replace slate,
00:37:17.400 you have to take off the slate,
00:37:18.780 opening a hole
00:37:19.640 and what does fire need
00:37:21.240 to accelerate
00:37:22.840 is more oxygen.
00:37:24.120 So,
00:37:24.300 if the air comes in,
00:37:25.240 you know,
00:37:26.120 that could have been
00:37:27.500 another,
00:37:28.040 another angle to it
00:37:29.960 and also,
00:37:30.880 suspicion
00:37:32.160 leads me to,
00:37:34.520 you know,
00:37:34.820 there was
00:37:35.300 no cameras really.
00:37:38.260 Why wouldn't you have cameras
00:37:39.480 in 2019
00:37:40.440 just
00:37:41.800 around
00:37:42.980 Notre Dame?
00:37:44.560 You know,
00:37:44.960 there's,
00:37:45.840 there's,
00:37:46.460 there's
00:37:47.120 no,
00:37:48.360 again,
00:37:48.820 no documented evidence.
00:37:50.040 Like,
00:37:50.380 oh,
00:37:50.620 we weren't sure.
00:37:51.320 There might have been cameras
00:37:52.600 on the scaffolding
00:37:53.740 for the construction safety,
00:37:55.200 but,
00:37:56.200 ah,
00:37:56.940 we don't really remember now
00:37:58.500 if Notre Dame
00:38:00.000 ever had its own
00:38:01.400 just
00:38:02.340 security cameras.
00:38:04.700 Like,
00:38:05.260 it's a,
00:38:05.960 basically,
00:38:06.380 a World Heritage site,
00:38:07.560 one of the
00:38:08.000 wonders of the world
00:38:09.740 and to not have
00:38:12.500 its own security cameras
00:38:13.760 or just like a live stream.
00:38:15.220 You know,
00:38:15.400 a dad just loves,
00:38:16.460 dad'll go on like
00:38:17.420 live streams of the beach
00:38:19.320 and just like watch the waves
00:38:21.080 at,
00:38:21.960 you could watch a live feed
00:38:23.140 off the beach.
00:38:23.300 And there were
00:38:24.040 some streams
00:38:24.940 that I saw people
00:38:25.860 have pulling up
00:38:26.820 from like downtown
00:38:27.500 Paris
00:38:28.660 or,
00:38:29.840 you know,
00:38:29.980 going to that area
00:38:30.960 and,
00:38:31.780 you know,
00:38:32.480 looking at stuff
00:38:33.120 and they could see
00:38:34.140 people walking around
00:38:35.360 up there
00:38:35.880 and,
00:38:36.880 look,
00:38:37.120 it's just something,
00:38:38.100 by the way,
00:38:38.580 Michelle Obama,
00:38:39.820 Michelle Obama
00:38:41.100 going down the river,
00:38:43.300 right?
00:38:43.600 So going down the Seine
00:38:44.820 right at the same time,
00:38:46.760 she's got that little
00:38:47.600 champagne flute
00:38:49.020 and she's got her,
00:38:49.860 you know,
00:38:50.120 she's got it up
00:38:50.800 and she's sipping it
00:38:51.680 and you feel,
00:38:52.280 it looks like you could see
00:38:53.180 the smoke being reflected
00:38:54.840 in the very glass itself.
00:38:56.800 I'm like,
00:38:57.620 guys,
00:38:58.200 something is suspicious here.
00:39:00.700 I feel like we know
00:39:01.780 what's going on
00:39:02.720 and I feel,
00:39:03.920 and I'm just going to say it,
00:39:04.760 I feel like
00:39:05.540 whatever was
00:39:07.360 and I will,
00:39:07.920 I will always believe this
00:39:09.180 and no one will ever be able
00:39:10.180 to change my mind on it
00:39:11.340 that whoever
00:39:12.700 was the person
00:39:14.480 that started that fire,
00:39:16.900 number one,
00:39:17.420 it was done deliberately
00:39:18.400 and it wasn't just an act
00:39:20.980 of human hands,
00:39:21.980 it was a demonic,
00:39:23.180 act.
00:39:24.160 It was clearly an act
00:39:25.580 of demons
00:39:26.580 against one of the most
00:39:28.780 central beating hearts
00:39:30.960 of Christendom,
00:39:32.460 one that has stood for,
00:39:34.060 again,
00:39:34.380 almost a thousand years
00:39:36.700 and they were trying
00:39:37.620 to destroy the entire thing.
00:39:39.660 That's why Notre Dame
00:39:41.080 is so important,
00:39:42.060 that's why restoring it
00:39:43.240 is so important
00:39:44.060 because if you understand
00:39:45.520 the big fight
00:39:47.060 that's going on,
00:39:48.260 if you understand
00:39:49.180 the higher level fight,
00:39:51.360 the higher level
00:39:52.540 and the deeper war
00:39:54.380 that are going on,
00:39:56.320 you understand
00:39:57.280 why the reconstruction
00:39:58.640 and the ringing
00:39:59.520 of the bells
00:40:00.180 of Notre Dame
00:40:01.000 and they say
00:40:02.000 that the ringing
00:40:03.360 of consecrated bells
00:40:04.800 wards off demons.
00:40:07.760 That is why
00:40:08.620 it is so important
00:40:10.140 and they first rang
00:40:11.320 the day after
00:40:12.300 President Trump's election
00:40:13.480 in 2024.
00:40:16.100 Kind of interesting,
00:40:17.420 kind of interesting,
00:40:18.120 don't know what it means.
00:40:19.640 We'll be right back.
00:40:20.180 We'll be right back.
00:40:48.120 And so here we are,
00:40:49.700 Jack Posobiec
00:40:50.640 and Kevin Posobiec,
00:40:52.520 final segment,
00:40:53.640 not just of
00:40:54.700 the truth about Notre Dame,
00:40:56.220 but also the final segment
00:40:58.040 of the Chronicles
00:41:00.100 of the Christians.
00:41:02.260 And who knows,
00:41:03.180 maybe we'll do
00:41:04.260 some more episodes
00:41:05.020 on this.
00:41:05.880 We can, you know,
00:41:06.460 there's certainly
00:41:06.900 quite a bit
00:41:07.860 of Christian history,
00:41:08.800 but we started
00:41:10.100 with the rise
00:41:10.880 of Christianity.
00:41:11.480 We covered how it spread
00:41:13.260 throughout Europe
00:41:13.940 and we dispelled
00:41:15.220 a lot of the myths
00:41:16.060 that people were forced
00:41:17.180 to convert to Christianity,
00:41:18.620 that actually it was
00:41:19.660 something that spread
00:41:20.480 organically.
00:41:21.660 We covered the Crusades
00:41:23.380 and we debunked
00:41:24.900 the myths
00:41:25.340 that the Crusades
00:41:26.120 were an invasion
00:41:26.900 of the Middle East
00:41:27.760 and in fact it was
00:41:28.580 a response
00:41:29.140 to what was going on
00:41:30.220 and it was done
00:41:32.060 at the behest
00:41:32.840 of the Eastern Orthodox Church
00:41:35.380 that was being overrun
00:41:37.340 in Byzantium
00:41:38.460 by the Caliphate
00:41:40.180 and the Muslim hordes,
00:41:42.020 the ones that had been
00:41:42.920 attacking Europe
00:41:43.800 and Christendom,
00:41:45.100 oh by the way,
00:41:46.020 all the way back
00:41:47.200 as early as 700 AD
00:41:49.800 in Spain,
00:41:51.200 not to mention
00:41:51.680 sweeping across
00:41:52.580 all of North Africa
00:41:53.880 and then we also covered
00:41:55.780 the Shroud of Turin
00:41:57.460 and the new scientific data,
00:42:00.680 the scientific data
00:42:02.060 behind the Shroud of Turin
00:42:03.920 that gives us
00:42:04.760 a lot of information
00:42:06.400 saying that this thing
00:42:07.940 is 2,000 years old
00:42:09.720 and it was dated
00:42:10.760 to the time
00:42:11.540 of the Battle of Masada
00:42:13.280 using a piece
00:42:14.300 of the cloth
00:42:15.140 from the Battle
00:42:16.560 of Masada.
00:42:18.180 Wrapping it up,
00:42:19.060 we got to
00:42:19.840 the Notre Dame
00:42:21.100 and the importance
00:42:21.820 of the Notre Dame.
00:42:23.740 Kevin,
00:42:24.480 you know,
00:42:24.800 just zoom out
00:42:26.180 a little bit here.
00:42:27.640 Why is it important
00:42:28.780 for Christians
00:42:29.580 to know their history,
00:42:31.300 this history
00:42:31.880 that is totally
00:42:33.060 untold
00:42:34.680 and totally
00:42:35.140 kept hidden from us?
00:42:36.100 why is it important
00:42:39.020 for Christians
00:42:39.680 to remember
00:42:41.120 in their history?
00:42:41.840 I mean,
00:42:42.120 if you don't know
00:42:43.080 where you come from
00:42:45.400 and you don't know
00:42:46.720 who you are,
00:42:47.540 if you don't know
00:42:48.060 who you are,
00:42:48.660 how the heck
00:42:49.780 will you know
00:42:50.460 where you're going?
00:42:52.540 Yeah.
00:42:53.820 It's important
00:42:54.480 because
00:42:55.680 it's like
00:42:58.840 the commitment
00:43:00.140 to it,
00:43:01.440 to the building,
00:43:02.500 to the faith,
00:43:03.580 you know,
00:43:03.820 that's what Christ
00:43:04.380 himself did for us.
00:43:05.480 He sacrificed his life
00:43:07.020 and,
00:43:07.980 you know,
00:43:08.920 what greater love
00:43:09.920 can you have
00:43:10.580 than to lay down
00:43:11.220 your life
00:43:11.580 for your brother?
00:43:12.880 And
00:43:13.200 it's important
00:43:14.920 for Christians
00:43:15.380 to realize
00:43:15.860 because that's
00:43:16.700 what connects us.
00:43:18.260 It connects us
00:43:19.940 back to tradition,
00:43:21.600 to family,
00:43:22.800 the nuclear family works,
00:43:24.560 community works,
00:43:25.500 fellowshipping works,
00:43:28.880 you know,
00:43:29.400 fraternity works,
00:43:30.680 men with other men,
00:43:32.160 you know,
00:43:32.820 and women
00:43:33.720 with women.
00:43:34.880 That's what
00:43:35.480 I see a lot
00:43:36.540 in the traditional
00:43:37.380 Latin mass community
00:43:38.360 today.
00:43:40.420 And that can go back
00:43:41.660 even to like
00:43:42.380 guilds
00:43:43.180 in medieval times.
00:43:44.820 Like you did have,
00:43:45.820 it's basically like
00:43:46.540 unions now,
00:43:47.800 but back then
00:43:49.040 you would have
00:43:49.640 stone cutters,
00:43:50.940 stonemasons,
00:43:52.220 basically like
00:43:53.400 living together
00:43:54.640 and then,
00:43:55.200 you know,
00:43:56.140 how else
00:43:57.360 could you get better
00:43:58.280 at your craft
00:43:58.920 if not just,
00:44:00.200 maybe not like
00:44:01.080 live together,
00:44:01.760 but live on the
00:44:02.440 same street
00:44:03.100 and hang out
00:44:04.080 together all the
00:44:04.880 time.
00:44:05.520 Same with many
00:44:06.360 other craftsmen,
00:44:07.080 you have like
00:44:07.640 of course the
00:44:10.380 woodworkers
00:44:10.880 and the stained
00:44:11.980 glass,
00:44:12.580 stained glass guys,
00:44:14.080 they would just
00:44:16.080 stick together
00:44:16.840 together and
00:44:17.520 through that,
00:44:18.620 that's like a
00:44:19.200 Christian,
00:44:19.620 a Christian
00:44:20.640 principle too
00:44:21.580 of commitment
00:44:22.200 and perseverance.
00:44:23.480 so it's,
00:44:28.360 it speaks to
00:44:29.740 discipline as
00:44:30.460 well,
00:44:31.180 you know,
00:44:31.520 go to church
00:44:32.180 every Sunday,
00:44:33.420 you know,
00:44:33.760 there's repetition
00:44:34.440 in like
00:44:36.220 rosary for instance,
00:44:37.460 like why you say
00:44:38.140 oh so many
00:44:38.640 Hail Marys,
00:44:39.280 this and that,
00:44:39.780 but it builds
00:44:40.360 repetition,
00:44:41.480 it builds
00:44:42.020 routine,
00:44:43.340 and those are
00:44:44.400 things that
00:44:45.240 are directed
00:44:47.820 towards success
00:44:48.740 and life
00:44:49.160 and prosperity
00:44:49.820 and it's worked
00:44:50.620 for hundreds
00:44:51.900 and hundreds
00:44:52.300 of years so far,
00:44:53.480 so it's
00:44:54.980 something the
00:44:55.520 French clearly
00:44:56.380 believed in
00:44:57.160 and they also
00:44:57.780 believed in beauty
00:44:58.520 really.
00:44:59.620 So I wanted to
00:45:00.560 talk about earlier
00:45:01.360 with the whole
00:45:02.300 lack of like
00:45:03.660 literacy back
00:45:04.520 then,
00:45:05.260 one of the
00:45:05.900 things championed
00:45:06.760 was art
00:45:07.520 itself because
00:45:09.040 even if you
00:45:09.620 couldn't read,
00:45:10.400 you could still
00:45:11.280 admire and
00:45:13.220 cherish really
00:45:14.120 like these
00:45:14.820 fantastic
00:45:16.140 symmetrical
00:45:18.200 patterns of
00:45:19.200 like the
00:45:19.560 rosette windows
00:45:20.460 and the
00:45:21.380 symmetry of
00:45:21.980 the two
00:45:22.300 towers and
00:45:23.260 just the
00:45:23.720 awe-inspiringness
00:45:25.100 of it
00:45:25.460 and the
00:45:26.960 majesty of
00:45:29.360 God himself.
00:45:30.800 Look at this
00:45:31.500 great work.
00:45:32.060 And that's a
00:45:32.960 great point
00:45:33.400 because the
00:45:34.960 cathedrals are
00:45:36.640 our direct
00:45:38.280 link in so
00:45:39.780 many ways to
00:45:40.800 our history as
00:45:42.100 Christians and
00:45:43.060 so as you're
00:45:44.120 saying,
00:45:44.680 there's a reason
00:45:45.380 that so many
00:45:46.380 people from all
00:45:47.400 around the world
00:45:48.200 go and visit
00:45:49.420 these things
00:45:50.260 every single
00:45:51.700 year and
00:45:52.260 people who
00:45:52.860 aren't even
00:45:53.260 from the
00:45:53.700 Christian faith
00:45:54.420 but they
00:45:55.480 recognize it
00:45:56.440 for what it
00:45:57.060 is and
00:45:58.400 to your
00:45:59.100 point,
00:45:59.720 you know,
00:45:59.940 we don't
00:46:00.320 even as
00:46:01.040 Christians
00:46:01.520 sit and
00:46:02.540 take the
00:46:02.940 time to
00:46:04.220 really
00:46:04.920 appreciate
00:46:05.880 all of
00:46:07.280 the work
00:46:08.060 that went
00:46:08.960 into these
00:46:09.640 and certainly,
00:46:10.420 you know,
00:46:10.720 Notre Dame
00:46:11.280 is just
00:46:12.340 one of
00:46:12.940 many,
00:46:13.460 many,
00:46:13.820 many cathedrals
00:46:15.180 throughout the
00:46:16.120 world.
00:46:16.320 It is,
00:46:16.860 I would say,
00:46:17.360 probably the
00:46:17.760 most iconic
00:46:18.580 cathedral in
00:46:20.000 the world.
00:46:21.040 You know,
00:46:21.220 you could debate
00:46:21.700 between that one
00:46:22.340 or St.
00:46:22.680 Peter's,
00:46:23.120 but,
00:46:23.500 you know,
00:46:24.500 this is a
00:46:25.220 huge actual
00:46:26.120 part of
00:46:26.560 history.
00:46:26.980 It predates
00:46:27.440 St.
00:46:27.760 Peter's by
00:46:28.260 like,
00:46:28.640 I think,
00:46:29.160 almost 500
00:46:29.780 years or so
00:46:30.720 and,
00:46:31.700 you know,
00:46:32.560 one thing that
00:46:33.120 blew my mind
00:46:33.720 earlier this
00:46:34.280 week,
00:46:35.120 you know,
00:46:35.300 just studying
00:46:35.740 about this
00:46:36.260 was that
00:46:36.660 the Notre Dame
00:46:37.920 predates the
00:46:39.000 Aztec Empire.
00:46:40.520 It predates so
00:46:41.400 many things
00:46:42.040 around the
00:46:42.560 world and yet
00:46:43.500 we sit there
00:46:44.640 and act like,
00:46:45.740 oh,
00:46:46.320 these things
00:46:47.460 were taken
00:46:47.980 for granted
00:46:48.420 and we as
00:46:48.980 Christians
00:46:49.340 should never
00:46:50.440 take our
00:46:51.700 history for
00:46:52.720 granted.
00:46:53.240 What do you
00:46:53.440 think,
00:46:53.720 Kev?
00:46:55.300 Well,
00:46:55.780 I gotta say,
00:46:56.400 I mean,
00:46:56.600 I could give
00:46:57.000 a whole podcast
00:46:57.620 about old
00:46:59.260 growth,
00:46:59.660 but one fun
00:47:00.300 fact is like,
00:47:01.680 they were old
00:47:02.300 growth at the
00:47:02.940 time,
00:47:03.460 so 800 years
00:47:04.380 ago,
00:47:04.760 those beams
00:47:05.420 were also
00:47:06.160 hundreds of
00:47:06.720 years old,
00:47:07.260 so you speak
00:47:07.760 that it's
00:47:08.160 older than
00:47:08.540 the Aztecs.
00:47:09.740 That wood
00:47:10.140 itself is
00:47:11.360 probably over
00:47:12.300 a thousand
00:47:12.720 years old.
00:47:14.160 Amen.
00:47:14.960 So folks,
00:47:15.360 just wanted
00:47:15.620 to throw
00:47:15.920 that in
00:47:16.280 there.
00:47:17.500 Yeah,
00:47:17.760 no,
00:47:17.980 it's amazing,
00:47:19.120 and again,
00:47:19.480 we could go
00:47:19.940 on and on
00:47:20.940 because,
00:47:21.740 folks,
00:47:21.940 with this
00:47:22.380 series,
00:47:23.320 the Chronicles
00:47:23.820 of the
00:47:24.060 Christians,
00:47:24.400 the goal
00:47:25.080 always was
00:47:26.280 and always
00:47:27.300 was just
00:47:28.300 to give you
00:47:29.140 an understanding
00:47:30.060 that there's
00:47:30.620 such a broad
00:47:32.260 history of the
00:47:33.660 Christians,
00:47:34.420 of the Christian
00:47:35.380 people,
00:47:35.980 and the Chronicles
00:47:37.400 of the Christians
00:47:38.340 was put together
00:47:39.440 with that in
00:47:40.080 mind to give
00:47:41.260 you the
00:47:42.200 respect,
00:47:43.340 and also,
00:47:44.120 by the way,
00:47:44.940 give you the
00:47:45.600 inspiration of
00:47:46.800 knowing that
00:47:47.680 you stand on
00:47:48.720 the shoulders
00:47:49.240 of so many
00:47:50.580 who came
00:47:51.280 before you,
00:47:52.020 but also you
00:47:53.440 have a duty
00:47:54.120 to preserve
00:47:55.160 this history
00:47:55.960 and to preserve
00:47:57.220 our religion
00:47:58.500 for the next
00:47:59.440 generations of
00:48:00.660 the Christians
00:48:01.220 yet to come.
00:48:03.240 Ladies and
00:48:03.740 gentlemen,
00:48:04.280 you have my
00:48:04.680 permission to
00:48:05.620 lay ashore.
00:48:06.080 to
00:48:15.720 the
00:48:15.900 God
00:48:16.420 to
00:48:18.400 the
00:48:20.720 people
00:48:21.160 want
00:48:22.260 to
00:48:24.040 make
00:48:24.680 the
00:48:24.720 way
00:48:24.840 to
00:48:25.860 sing
00:48:26.340 sing
00:48:29.300 or
00:48:32.480 sing
00:48:34.360 in
00:48:34.400 another