Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Chronicles of the Christians - Part IV： Notre Dame

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00:00:30.000 Welcome to CBS This Morning.

00:00:57.240 We're talking about one of the great symbols of Paris

00:00:59.580 and all of Western civilization.

00:01:01.660 It is still standing this morning after a fire that nearly destroyed it.

00:01:05.860 Flames brought down the spire and much of the roof at Notre Dame Cathedral yesterday.

00:01:11.040 And think about this.

00:01:11.860 It's the start of Holy Week.

00:01:13.840 Five years after a fire caused major damage,

00:01:16.900 the Notre Dame Cathedral is back open again.

00:01:19.820 On Sunday, the cathedral held its first mass since the fire.

00:01:23.040 President-elect Donald Trump joining 35 heads of state for a reopening ceremony on Saturday.

00:01:29.720 The first lady, Jill Biden, and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky also attended.

00:01:35.280 Now, this was Trump's first foreign trip since winning the race for the White House.

00:01:40.040 Amazing grace, how sweet the sound.

00:02:05.900 That saved a wretch like me.

00:02:16.180 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:02:24.240 And welcome to what has been just such an enlightening journey through history, faith, the human spirit.

00:02:33.880 This is the Chronicles of the Christians. 0.98

00:02:37.660 I'm Jack Posobiec, and we've reached the last episode of our series with an episode that's close to many hearts,

00:02:43.400 titled The Truth About Notre Dame.

00:02:46.100 Today, we are not just looking at a cathedral.

00:02:49.580 We're peering into the soul of Western civilization itself.

00:02:53.440 The Notre Dame Cathedral isn't just a cathedral.

00:02:55.520 It's a living, breathing symbol of faith, resilience, and cultural identity.

00:03:01.120 From its beginning in the 12th century under King Louis VII,

00:03:04.620 to the attacks on it in the French Revolution,

00:03:07.140 to its restoration by Napoleon and the people of Paris,

00:03:10.280 to the devastating fire in 2019,

00:03:13.420 Notre Dame's story is one of human aspiration,

00:03:16.920 reaching towards the divine.

00:03:18.440 So let's embark on this journey back to 1163,

00:03:23.380 when the first stone was laid.

00:03:26.340 Imagine the medieval world,

00:03:28.060 where the construction of such a cathedral

00:03:30.040 was not just an architectural feat,

00:03:32.160 but a political statement,

00:03:33.880 a testament to the power of both church and crown.

00:03:37.900 Over the centuries, this cathedral has been more than a place of worship.

00:03:41.360 It's been the backdrop to revolutions,

00:03:43.580 coronations, and the daily life of Parisians.

00:03:46.180 But our story takes a dramatic turn on April 15th, 2019.

00:03:51.180 The suspicious fire that engulfed Notre Dame

00:03:55.540 at a time when many churches were facing arson attacks across France.

00:04:02.180 And this wasn't just a physical event.

00:04:04.720 It was a heart-wrenching moment for millions who watched their history in a place of spiritual worship.

00:04:15.600 Burn.

00:04:17.540 Yet from those ashes, we've seen an extraordinary response,

00:04:20.300 a global call to restore, rebuild, remember.

00:04:24.820 And in this final episode, we will delve into the origins of Notre Dame.

00:04:29.040 It's political history, the devastating fire.

00:04:31.460 And we'll talk about what may have caused that devastating fire.

00:04:36.180 And, of course, the ongoing restoration.

00:04:39.380 We'll explore why this cathedral is not just a symbol of Christendom,

00:04:42.720 but also a beacon of Western civilization's enduring spirit.

00:04:47.920 So join me and my special guest, my brother, Kevin Posobiec,

00:04:51.700 as we understand and uncover the truth about Notre Dame.

00:04:55.980 Understanding how this glorious edifice has been shaped

00:04:59.420 and has shaped the tides of history, of art, of faith.

00:05:04.220 We're going to reflect on what it means for us today

00:05:06.420 in an era where the past and future intersect in every single stone

00:05:11.940 of this magnificent cathedral.

00:05:14.780 You know, I remember visiting it for the first time with my two boys

00:05:20.720 just about a year ago and standing there with the two of them

00:05:26.040 and they asked, Daddy, can we go inside?

00:05:30.280 I said we can't go inside because there was a terrible fire.

00:05:36.080 And that's something that we have to understand

00:05:39.320 and can never allow to happen again.

00:05:43.980 So get ready for a journey that transcends time

00:05:47.320 where every arch and every stained glass window

00:05:50.040 tells a story of humanity's quest for something greater.

00:05:54.360 This is Chronicles of the Christians, the truth about Notre Dame,

00:05:58.580 and we're about to witness history, faith, and the undying human spirit.

00:06:04.860 Stay with us.

00:06:05.480 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back.

00:06:33.360 The Chronicles of the Christians, the truth about Notre Dame.

00:06:39.260 And so I wanted to bring Kevin Posobiec in here.

00:06:42.100 Kevin, how's it going, man?

00:06:44.720 Doing very well.

00:06:46.780 Good to be here with you, Jack.

00:06:47.960 So, Kevin, tell people your background a little bit

00:06:54.380 and explain to people why, you know,

00:06:57.820 why I thought it would be a great idea to have you on on this program.

00:07:02.480 Well, as you know, but many may not know,

00:07:05.360 that other than this, part of my bread and butter

00:07:08.400 is being a carpenter, woodworker, craftsman, all of the above.

00:07:12.980 And I studied it briefly in Philadelphia and the surrounding area.

00:07:19.760 And we have some family members in the trade.

00:07:22.080 It's kind of in our blood, really.

00:07:24.160 And I took a lot of pride in that for several years now.

00:07:29.580 I've been involved since around 2007, 2008, I want to say, off and on.

00:07:36.100 And we've had the privilege of, like I said,

00:07:38.620 having a family member who has, like, the old school wood shop.

00:07:42.920 And, you know, with all the machines, the joiners, the planers,

00:07:45.940 the clamps, like, the saws, everything.

00:07:49.200 And, yeah, it's been great to learn an apprentice under someone like that.

00:07:55.660 And, yeah, it reminds me of, like, how guilds used to be before unions.

00:08:00.960 And so, yeah, I've done that for several, several years now.

00:08:05.860 Over a decade, about.

00:08:08.120 And, you know, it's something that's rewarding to me.

00:08:14.520 I love studying architecture.

00:08:16.660 I studied historical preservation as well.

00:08:20.060 And I've worked with various Philadelphia craftsmen

00:08:23.640 and furniture makers over the years.

00:08:26.740 We did a lot of hardwood tables, credenzas, and custom cabinetry, doors,

00:08:36.280 flooring, beams, you name it.

00:08:39.320 I've worked in all various aspects of the woodworking field.

00:08:43.640 And, yeah, it's kind of a quick, quick resume.

00:08:47.900 Maybe I'll put this on my LinkedIn.

00:08:50.680 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:08:51.640 So when all of this went down, actually, one of the first conversations,

00:08:56.480 and obviously with the fire in 2019, I remember having a conversation with you.

00:09:01.680 And I didn't realize how much you just knew about the general construction of Notre Dame

00:09:08.360 and of the architecture.

00:09:09.840 And, you know, I can tell you, like, the basic political facts, the, you know, okay, 1163,

00:09:16.460 and it was, you know, Louis VII and the final stone, you know, the main of the main structure

00:09:21.840 was laid by Louis IX.

00:09:23.640 And we actually just talked about him in a couple of recent episodes,

00:09:26.900 having been a crusader king, Louis IX, also St. Louis.

00:09:30.340 He is the king that St. Louis is named for, Louisiana is named for.

00:09:36.600 But a lot of people don't realize some of the structural innovations

00:09:40.900 and architectural innovations that were done into this.

00:09:45.920 And just take us back to literally the Middle Ages, 1100 A.D.

00:09:53.160 What were some of the things that when they decided to build Notre Dame that went into it?

00:09:58.760 Well, so some of the aspects to look at from kind of the bigger picture looking in

00:10:05.620 down to a more detailed view is that, you know, this was a massive structure

00:10:11.440 and you would need, like, a lot of community support to get this done.

00:10:16.880 And their plans were devised, drawn up.

00:10:20.200 But then they had to make a commitment to a multi-generational structure.

00:10:24.700 So this thing was built over, I believe it was 170 odd years.

00:10:32.160 And so imagine being a master builder and not living to see, like,

00:10:37.720 the fulfillment of your project.

00:10:39.920 But they made that commitment anyway.

00:10:42.120 And that's just, like, a sacrifice that is uncommon these days.

00:10:46.860 And just the commitment that these people had and the passion for religion itself

00:10:52.360 that defined their nation.

00:10:54.940 And, you know, so it came from that.

00:10:57.960 It's a giant structure.

00:11:00.200 And as far as innovation goes, you know, growing up,

00:11:05.640 one of the things that caught my eye or ear, I should say,

00:11:10.400 is, like, the flying buttresses.

00:11:11.800 And we used to joke about that in grade school, like, oh, it's a butt, you know?

00:11:17.180 And, but either way, it just, like, struck my interest.

00:11:22.360 So the flying buttresses, they're the, you know, for me,

00:11:24.880 who's a total layman in this stuff, this was,

00:11:27.060 they're sort of part of the roof structure, but they're actually made of stone.

00:11:29.860 Is that correctly?

00:11:30.520 And those are the pieces on the side that sort of hold it up.

00:11:33.680 They're on, like, they're on, like, an angle, almost like a J angle.

00:11:35.800 Yes, that's what it looks like, the wings.

00:11:37.260 It's like a wing, like an L shape almost.

00:11:39.560 So that's what they're called flying.

00:11:41.620 Okay.

00:11:42.300 And it almost looks like it's part of another building

00:11:44.720 because you don't see that much anywhere else.

00:11:47.480 And so usually, and this is, like, definitive of Gothic architecture,

00:11:52.840 which went on to influence much more of Europe after Notre Dame was completed.

00:11:58.300 So you had, like, traditional structures, I mean, columns, I should say, columns,

00:12:02.780 and then a vaulted ceiling.

00:12:04.580 But one of the main features of Gothic architecture is the stained glass.

00:12:08.720 And, like, that was the innovative mark, hallmark feature of Notre Dame,

00:12:15.240 is these massive, very tall stained glass windows.

00:12:19.980 And when you have that and no stone, that means the wall is going to be very weak.

00:12:25.180 So how could you hold up the ceiling, which is, mind you, like, tons and tons and tons of lumber

00:12:32.780 and then lumber wrapped in lead?

00:12:36.160 Like, how would you hold that up?

00:12:37.920 So they devised this thing called a flying buttress to support the vaulted roof above

00:12:43.000 to take the weight off of the roof and then divide it down diagonally

00:12:49.200 and then vertically, again, back to the ground through these buttresses.

00:12:54.160 And that would allow internally to have, it's almost like a floating roof, if you will.

00:13:01.400 So I'm sure the stained glass itself holds some of the weight of the roof,

00:13:05.840 but it definitely alleviates a lot of it.

00:13:08.340 And the point being is, like, well, why would you want to have just large windows anyway?

00:13:11.900 But they believed in Christ saying, like, I'm the light of the world, you know?

00:13:18.500 So the more light comes in.

00:13:20.460 And keep in mind, this is a time when there weren't Bibles either. 0.91

00:13:24.540 So innovative techniques were more spiritual, really.

00:13:29.060 Like, they had hand tools.

00:13:31.100 Everything was done by hand.

00:13:32.880 And, you know, there was also, to correlate with that,

00:13:36.920 just no Bibles aside from which the clergy had at that time.

00:13:43.880 So we didn't have any cell phones, any resources to have one, each person,

00:13:50.800 each individual walking around with your own Bible, you know,

00:13:55.420 seeing that you could maybe interpret it however you want.

00:13:58.860 But that's not, that's a tangent.

00:14:00.880 So let's get back to that roof a little bit.

00:14:03.900 So, and, of course, the roof is what burned.

00:14:07.160 Tell me about the roof.

00:14:08.920 What was so special about it?

00:14:12.040 Well, to me also, you know, as an adult, you know, growing up,

00:14:15.860 it was like, oh, flying buttresses.

00:14:17.160 But when I heard it was on fire, it really, really, like, you know,

00:14:21.820 hit me in the chest, you know,

00:14:24.000 because that's made of masterpieces of timber framing,

00:14:28.900 interlocking giant pieces of wood that are also of old growth.

00:14:37.860 And, you know, I didn't realize that at first.

00:14:40.320 I thought for sure it was a roof made out of stone.

00:14:43.460 But I think the reasoning behind it was that it would be lighter

00:14:47.500 and also able to hold the flying buttresses,

00:14:50.600 which is why they used the wood in the first place.

00:14:53.920 But yes, and it's even referred to as the forest

00:14:57.080 because there was literally almost a whole entire forest used

00:15:00.820 in this construction of the roof.

00:15:04.500 And, you know, if you don't know what old growth is,

00:15:06.960 like old growth is when the tree rings, okay,

00:15:10.800 like the tree rings are very tight together.

00:15:12.840 This creates denser, stronger trees.

00:15:15.520 And generally, they're over a century year old

00:15:19.160 and they're not from like a managed forest.

00:15:21.540 That's why it's in, you know, high demand today

00:15:25.380 because there's not much more of it.

00:15:26.880 And you'll see like memes online saying like,

00:15:28.940 this is a two by four then, this is a two by four now.

00:15:31.900 And back then, most of it was literally two inches by four inches,

00:15:36.740 but now it's inch and a half, three and a half,

00:15:38.860 but the rings on it.

00:15:41.080 So when you have new growth, it's typically weaker wood.

00:15:45.580 And so the roof was made out of old growth timbers

00:15:49.800 and very strong, like comparable to which these master builders

00:15:56.560 decided to use it anyway.

00:15:58.080 And a lot of it was chosen because of its strength.

00:16:02.480 I mean, nobody would really see it.

00:16:04.400 I believe it was mostly oak and just a very strong species to use.

00:16:10.600 You will see that in churches as well.

00:16:12.460 Most pews are made out of it, structural pieces.

00:16:15.820 And yeah, so the roof was made out of that,

00:16:19.160 but also, which is why it would be a bit of a target

00:16:22.000 because wood burns easily, much more easily than like solid marble.

00:16:29.420 Nonetheless, though, being that it was old growth,

00:16:32.120 it probably burnt slower.

00:16:34.180 But yeah, it's interesting, you know, well, hey,

00:16:37.160 why did the roof catch on fire?

00:16:38.520 Like, why are these organs, church organs being lit on fire?

00:16:43.100 Because they're made of wood.

00:16:47.560 That's fascinating.

00:16:49.140 And I remember, you know, you telling me that for the first time

00:16:51.980 a while back when this all happened.

00:16:54.580 And I didn't even realize that.

00:16:57.880 And there was a whole thing,

00:16:58.740 and we'll talk about it in a little bit going forward here,

00:17:01.580 but there was a whole worry early on

00:17:05.940 that perhaps they wouldn't even have the wood

00:17:08.540 to be able to replace the forest

00:17:11.560 because those types of trees just don't exist anywhere in Europe anymore.

00:17:17.460 There's parts of Poland, Bialystok forest,

00:17:22.620 which are preserved and other areas

00:17:26.340 that are still medieval prehistoric forests.

00:17:29.440 But those types of old growth trees,

00:17:31.800 you just can't find them anywhere else.

00:17:34.200 And so the loss of that was a true loss to the world.

00:17:38.500 And so this is the information that we need to understand

00:17:42.640 when going into the truth about Notre Dame.

00:17:47.460 So we are back.

00:18:14.700 The Chronicles of the Christians 0.99

00:18:17.260 the Truth About Notre Dame.

00:18:21.040 So just a couple of points

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00:19:51.920 Kevin, so I wanted to ask you about an anecdote

00:19:56.840 or a story, I guess, that you were telling me

00:19:59.000 about the woodworkers and specifically about those beams

00:20:02.780 that people didn't even realize this,

00:20:05.100 but all the way up in the highest parts of the rafters,

00:20:09.240 there were designs carved on the beams themselves.

00:20:12.940 Isn't that right?

00:20:15.340 Yes, that's right.

00:20:16.280 You'll see nowadays people will just like sign

00:20:19.020 your signature on like a two by four stud or something

00:20:22.000 and put it in a wall.

00:20:23.440 But back then, yeah, so there was carvings

00:20:28.520 in the beams in the rafters.

00:20:30.660 And what we've seen is that people would question,

00:20:35.820 well, this is just a catwalk.

00:20:37.620 Like, you can barely get through here in candlelight.

00:20:39.680 Like, why would anybody do that?

00:20:41.340 Why would anybody get to do that?

00:20:43.820 As long as you can see the facade, you know,

00:20:46.760 and it's replicated in more and more open timber framing

00:20:52.260 in other churches.

00:20:53.160 But upon further inspection, when you look at it,

00:20:57.580 on the top, which faces the ceiling,

00:21:00.240 like more carvings would be revealed and found.

00:21:04.160 And, you know, why would somebody do that

00:21:08.080 without being seen by, you know,

00:21:11.220 the parish assembly below?

00:21:13.900 And it's because, you know,

00:21:16.860 the carvers would say like,

00:21:18.800 well, even if anybody else doesn't see it,

00:21:22.500 God still sees it and God still hears my prayers.

00:21:25.860 And I've, I've, I've.

00:21:28.760 Wait, that's great.

00:21:29.460 That's great.

00:21:29.920 So even though the carver said,

00:21:31.800 the carver said,

00:21:33.020 why would you carve the top?

00:21:34.440 And they said, because God sees it.

00:21:36.440 This, when I, when I think about the,

00:21:39.240 just the construction of Notre Dame,

00:21:42.460 and we've talked about this throughout the series,

00:21:44.560 but these were people who very seriously believed in God.

00:21:51.020 They very seriously believed in their faith.

00:21:53.720 They believed in Christ and they believed

00:21:55.860 they were making these great works

00:21:57.640 for the glorification of God.

00:22:01.100 One of the reasons that they have

00:22:02.740 the high vaulted ceilings in the first place.

00:22:04.520 This is just one little piece that I know

00:22:06.060 and credit to Tanya Tay for that

00:22:08.480 because she's the one who told me

00:22:10.680 that one of the reasons that they have

00:22:12.460 the arched ceilings is that when you walk in,

00:22:15.200 it makes you look up.

00:22:16.780 So you're looking up to God.

00:22:18.880 You're looking up above.

00:22:21.020 And, you know, the idea that it was made

00:22:23.640 so many years ago,

00:22:25.540 instituted by the Bishop of Paris at the time,

00:22:29.900 he went over and of course got royal support,

00:22:32.520 but also a lot of people just from the Parisians.

00:22:35.500 The Parisians went in on this

00:22:37.320 and they viewed it as a worthy work.

00:22:39.980 And something that a lot of people don't realize, Kev,

00:22:42.580 is that, you know,

00:22:45.680 they talk about the fact that it took many years to build,

00:22:48.680 but you've talked to me about the concept

00:22:51.640 of multi-generational construction.

00:22:55.000 How did that play out and what does that mean?

00:22:56.900 Well, it played out over a series of bishops

00:23:04.200 and, you know,

00:23:06.000 bishops would clearly oversee the construction

00:23:08.260 because they were, you know,

00:23:10.820 any bishop is in control of the finances

00:23:13.220 of any kind of diocese.

00:23:15.240 But yeah, aside from that,

00:23:17.760 very different architects over the years,

00:23:22.100 famous Frenchman began with Bishop Maurice de Sully

00:23:26.900 for the first 90 odd years.

00:23:30.860 I mean, and then Jean de Chal,

00:23:33.600 second Pierre de Montreux,

00:23:36.300 Pierre de Chal,

00:23:37.700 Jean Ravi,

00:23:38.920 Pierre de Montreux as well.

00:23:42.180 So of all these,

00:23:43.960 again, it's just those were,

00:23:46.020 you know, off and on,

00:23:46.860 they all didn't have like a specific time frame

00:23:49.720 to be there working on the project.

00:23:52.520 But each one was credited

00:23:55.360 with at least getting like one level.

00:23:57.860 I believe there's like four different sections

00:23:59.780 and one builder was in charge of like the columns

00:24:04.640 and then the first floor.

00:24:06.160 And then a lot of them did do work on the nave, actually.

00:24:09.660 That is like the roof and the arch at the top

00:24:12.680 up until around the French Revolution

00:24:17.460 when it started to become a little decrepit

00:24:22.460 and, you know, forgotten about

00:24:24.920 and the upkeep generally wasn't that great.

00:24:27.880 But yeah, the multi-generationalness of it,

00:24:31.380 I don't know.

00:24:32.780 It's, like I said,

00:24:35.640 it's just a giant commitment to,

00:24:38.900 it's one thing to, you know,

00:24:40.100 like where's your goal?

00:24:41.120 Like, is it based on getting a certain amount done

00:24:46.360 in your lifetime?

00:24:48.660 But just even having like,

00:24:50.360 you're like committing your life to the job.

00:24:53.960 It's just an amazing,

00:24:55.900 it's amazing commitment.

00:24:57.660 And yeah, there's many.

00:25:00.900 And you had people who would come in,

00:25:02.460 people who would come in,

00:25:03.840 who would work their entire life on it.

00:25:06.220 And they themselves knew

00:25:08.760 that it wouldn't even be seen in their lifetime,

00:25:12.400 the end of it,

00:25:13.220 that they would keep going

00:25:14.680 and that eventually it would be passed on

00:25:17.840 to the next generation.

00:25:18.960 And they talk about how

00:25:20.300 that is a sign of a healthy civilization,

00:25:23.460 a civilization that builds things

00:25:26.280 for the future

00:25:27.860 and for future generations,

00:25:29.280 even when it doesn't directly defend

00:25:32.420 or doesn't directly support them

00:25:35.520 in the near term.

00:25:37.580 And so, you know,

00:25:38.540 when I look at things like that,

00:25:39.540 and yeah, you mentioned the revolution

00:25:40.680 and people will remember

00:25:41.980 in the Chronicles of the Revolution series

00:25:44.320 last year

00:25:45.060 and in the book,

00:25:45.780 Unhumans, 0.99

00:25:46.520 Secret History of Communist,

00:25:47.280 Revolutions,

00:25:47.760 How to Crush Them,

00:25:48.380 that we talked about

00:25:49.800 how the fire of Notre Dame,

00:25:52.540 and I want to talk about that

00:25:53.440 in the next segment,

00:25:54.260 but the fire of Notre Dame

00:25:55.200 was not the first time

00:25:56.660 that it was destroyed.

00:26:02.300 And one of the first attacks

00:26:03.820 on the Cathedral of Notre Dame,

00:26:05.740 this predates,

00:26:07.120 so predates the Napoleon coronation,

00:26:10.800 this predates the Hunchback of Notre Dame

00:26:13.060 was actually during the,

00:26:14.800 you know,

00:26:15.900 the late 1790s

00:26:17.560 when Notre Dame Cathedral

00:26:19.340 was attacked,

00:26:20.260 the statues of the 12 kings of Israel,

00:26:22.340 which are outside,

00:26:23.420 lining the facade,

00:26:24.820 they were smashed.

00:26:25.700 A lot of the stained glass was smashed.

00:26:27.660 But during this time,

00:26:28.980 the relics that were inside,

00:26:30.500 one of the main relics,

00:26:31.620 just as was saved

00:26:34.520 during the fire of 2019,

00:26:36.320 was the crown of thorns.

00:26:38.840 And it is the crown of thorns

00:26:40.600 that is believed to have been

00:26:42.360 saved from the crusades,

00:26:44.820 from the caliphate,

00:26:45.920 from the hordes

00:26:47.460 that were marching across the Holy Land,

00:26:50.000 that they saved it,

00:26:51.060 and the crusader knights

00:26:52.060 brought it back

00:26:52.840 and put it in Notre Dame

00:26:54.020 for safekeeping,

00:26:54.900 which is similar to

00:26:55.880 what we talked about

00:26:56.940 in the previous episode

00:26:57.980 and the Shroud of Turin

00:26:59.000 and its journey

00:26:59.640 across the Holy Land

00:27:02.900 and then the Middle East

00:27:03.820 and then across Europe.

00:27:05.400 And so with the church itself,

00:27:08.380 though,

00:27:09.600 the French Revolution,

00:27:10.860 people don't realize this,

00:27:11.600 it was completely atheist,

00:27:12.540 it was very anti-Christian,

00:27:13.860 it was very anti-priest,

00:27:15.860 it was anti-none,

00:27:16.720 they were executing nuns

00:27:17.900 at one point in Paris,

00:27:19.380 and the Cathedral of Notre Dame

00:27:21.140 was converted

00:27:21.920 from a Christian cathedral

00:27:24.140 at the time

00:27:25.000 to a temple to reason

00:27:27.380 and where only science

00:27:29.880 and reason could be worshipped.

00:27:32.140 Kev,

00:27:32.360 does that sound a little similar

00:27:34.340 to anything to you?

00:27:37.100 Only what?

00:27:38.280 Only science and reason

00:27:39.720 could be used?

00:27:40.600 Only science and reason,

00:27:41.980 yeah, right?

00:27:43.200 Kind of like,

00:27:43.800 oh, I don't know,

00:27:44.560 Reddit and the secular left today

00:27:46.360 are the exact same

00:27:47.660 as the secular left

00:27:48.780 of the French Revolution.

00:27:50.240 There's nothing

00:27:51.200 under the sun.

00:27:53.400 And so you gotta,

00:27:54.920 you got to understand

00:27:56.420 that this wasn't

00:27:57.800 even the first time.

00:27:58.700 And then so Napoleon

00:28:00.040 comes back

00:28:01.160 at the end of the revolution.

00:28:03.580 He gets in

00:28:04.800 and is able,

00:28:07.700 Napoleon gets in 0.73

00:28:08.700 and is able

00:28:09.440 to completely restore it.

00:28:12.260 He has it

00:28:13.240 reconsecrated

00:28:14.020 with the church.

00:28:14.920 He becomes

00:28:15.440 in with the church.

00:28:16.720 He's coronated there

00:28:17.940 as not just the king,

00:28:20.380 but as the emperor

00:28:21.240 of France.

00:28:22.160 And of course,

00:28:22.840 people know how

00:28:23.360 that story goes after it.

00:28:25.320 But then it falls

00:28:25.960 into disrepair

00:28:26.780 yet again.

00:28:27.960 And it's really

00:28:28.900 through the novel.

00:28:30.020 It's through

00:28:30.340 Victor Hugo's

00:28:31.320 great novel,

00:28:32.680 The Hunchback

00:28:33.400 of Notre Dame.

00:28:34.800 Many years later,

00:28:36.020 Victor Hugo,

00:28:36.520 of course,

00:28:37.400 also wrote Les Mis

00:28:39.220 depicting France

00:28:41.500 during the time

00:28:42.160 of Napoleonic Wars

00:28:43.260 that really after

00:28:46.300 The Hunchback

00:28:47.340 of Notre Dame

00:28:47.800 comes out,

00:28:48.560 that's when

00:28:49.520 Notre Dame

00:28:50.640 takes on its character

00:28:51.920 as this beloved

00:28:53.160 national symbol.

00:28:54.520 By the way,

00:28:54.780 Notre Dame

00:28:55.080 isn't even the largest

00:28:56.100 cathedral in Paris.

00:28:57.460 It's certainly not

00:28:57.940 the largest one

00:28:58.660 in France,

00:28:59.700 but there's something

00:29:00.360 about it

00:29:01.120 being at the heart,

00:29:02.340 at the central

00:29:03.100 beating heart

00:29:03.960 of France,

00:29:05.960 which makes it

00:29:06.800 at the central

00:29:07.560 beating heart

00:29:08.640 of Western civilization.

00:29:11.380 Of course,

00:29:11.800 World War II

00:29:12.400 also happened.

00:29:13.360 Charles de Gaulle

00:29:13.820 was almost...

00:29:14.340 By the way,

00:29:14.960 when the French

00:29:16.160 liberated Paris

00:29:18.100 after the Nazi occupation,

00:29:20.440 Charles de Gaulle

00:29:20.960 was almost assassinated

00:29:22.460 there by Nazi sharpshooters,

00:29:24.560 but he said,

00:29:26.440 I am going to mass

00:29:28.780 at the Cathedral

00:29:29.900 de Notre Dame

00:29:31.060 de Paris.

00:29:31.840 and he demanded

00:29:33.480 that he would go to mass

00:29:34.520 even as there were still

00:29:35.520 German sharpshooters 0.98

00:29:36.660 in the city

00:29:37.400 and a couple of them

00:29:39.020 almost actually killed

00:29:40.560 Charles de Gaulle

00:29:41.460 as he was going

00:29:42.580 to the Notre Dame

00:29:43.680 for mass.

00:29:44.400 And so,

00:29:45.220 you just look at

00:29:46.440 so many of the pieces

00:29:47.840 of Western civilization,

00:29:49.740 Western history,

00:29:50.980 Christendom,

00:29:51.640 Christian history

00:29:52.360 that are all

00:29:53.180 directly tied up

00:29:54.180 with the cathedral

00:29:55.520 of Notre Dame.

00:29:56.400 All right,

00:30:10.460 Jack Posobiec

00:30:25.420 back here.

00:30:26.480 The Chronicles

00:30:27.220 of the Christians,

00:30:28.540 the truth about Notre Dame.

00:30:30.980 Kev,

00:30:31.600 I'm thinking

00:30:32.160 we need to actually

00:30:34.440 get into the fire.

00:30:36.780 Do you think it's time

00:30:37.520 to jump in the fire?

00:30:39.540 Yeah,

00:30:40.160 I know that song.

00:30:40.820 I think this is big.

00:30:41.420 And so,

00:30:41.880 and so look,

00:30:42.520 I'm just going to say

00:30:43.200 it right out.

00:30:44.380 I don't buy the official story.

00:30:45.980 I don't buy the official story

00:30:46.980 at all.

00:30:47.760 I think it's a joke.

00:30:48.940 I think it's hilarious.

00:30:50.140 I remember they,

00:30:50.800 one of the first things

00:30:51.660 they said was,

00:30:53.280 oh,

00:30:53.440 this was definitely

00:30:54.020 not arson.

00:30:54.740 This was definitely

00:30:55.220 not terrorism.

00:30:56.100 But they said that

00:30:57.100 before they conducted,

00:30:58.460 before they conducted

00:30:59.900 any actual explanation

00:31:01.720 or any investigation,

00:31:03.320 they didn't dig

00:31:03.840 into anything.

00:31:04.780 They just right,

00:31:05.440 right away said,

00:31:06.220 oh,

00:31:08.560 and so I've got a list.

00:31:09.760 I'm going to go

00:31:10.100 through this list

00:31:10.620 right now.

00:31:12.020 2019,

00:31:14.060 the St. Jacques Church

00:31:16.140 in Grenoble, France

00:31:17.380 in January 2019

00:31:18.940 was the site

00:31:19.760 of attempted arson attack.

00:31:21.380 In February 2019,

00:31:23.700 the St. Alain Cathedral

00:31:25.060 in Lavour

00:31:25.740 was the target

00:31:27.380 of an arson attack

00:31:28.260 where the altar cloth

00:31:29.300 was burned

00:31:29.940 and crosses

00:31:30.540 and statues

00:31:31.140 were smashed.

00:31:32.200 The St. Sulpice Church

00:31:33.440 in Paris in Paris

00:31:35.040 in March 2019,

00:31:36.560 another significant church

00:31:37.800 in Paris

00:31:38.580 was set on fire.

00:31:40.080 The incident

00:31:40.500 was confirmed

00:31:41.300 to be arson

00:31:42.100 with the fire

00:31:42.960 starting from a pile

00:31:44.100 of clothes

00:31:44.760 outside the church

00:31:45.940 and then even

00:31:46.780 as recent

00:31:47.660 as September 2024,

00:31:50.060 the Church

00:31:50.500 of the Immaculate

00:31:51.300 Conception

00:31:51.880 in St. Omer,

00:31:52.940 France,

00:31:53.620 a historic church

00:31:54.620 was completely

00:31:55.960 destroyed

00:31:56.920 by an arson attack.

00:31:58.780 The suspect

00:31:59.640 in that,

00:32:00.340 Joel Vigoreau,

00:32:01.900 known for similar acts,

00:32:03.600 was arrested

00:32:04.160 following the incident.

00:32:05.860 Look,

00:32:06.540 we know

00:32:07.200 that throughout,

00:32:08.740 okay,

00:32:09.360 throughout France

00:32:11.180 and throughout Paris,

00:32:12.340 there have been

00:32:12.960 church burnings

00:32:14.020 that have gone on

00:32:15.280 specifically

00:32:16.340 in 2019

00:32:17.360 and 2020,

00:32:18.720 many of which

00:32:19.480 were targeted

00:32:20.440 and linked

00:32:21.440 directly to

00:32:22.500 radical Islamists

00:32:24.700 and suggesting

00:32:25.920 a pattern

00:32:26.800 that I believe

00:32:27.900 would extend

00:32:28.680 to the Notre Dame

00:32:29.760 Cathedral

00:32:30.240 and yet we

00:32:31.340 just keep getting told,

00:32:32.700 oh,

00:32:32.860 it was like

00:32:33.260 some faulty

00:32:33.980 electric wiring

00:32:35.160 and the faulty wiring

00:32:36.840 or a cigarette

00:32:37.660 and yet they haven't

00:32:38.780 actually produced

00:32:40.020 anything

00:32:40.700 that would

00:32:42.060 show us that

00:32:42.760 and they say,

00:32:43.160 oh,

00:32:43.220 there were some

00:32:43.600 repairs going on

00:32:44.780 and it was probably

00:32:46.000 one of the workers,

00:32:46.880 it's no big deal

00:32:47.760 and yet,

00:32:48.880 let's also go back

00:32:50.020 because the timing

00:32:51.340 of this,

00:32:52.340 right,

00:32:52.640 April,

00:32:53.160 what was happening

00:32:53.860 in April of 2019,

00:32:55.540 it was Holy Week.

00:32:56.720 It was the very start

00:32:58.660 of Holy Week

00:32:59.580 of Easter

00:33:00.320 in 2019.

00:33:01.860 This is the most

00:33:02.620 important week

00:33:03.440 for Christians

00:33:04.520 of the entire year

00:33:06.180 and no,

00:33:07.660 I'm sorry,

00:33:08.280 it's not a conspiracy theory,

00:33:10.100 it is not a wild speculation

00:33:12.080 to talk about this,

00:33:13.520 we are giving you specifics

00:33:14.940 as to what we're going on.

00:33:16.260 So Kevin,

00:33:16.580 let me ask you

00:33:17.380 as someone who,

00:33:19.460 look,

00:33:19.660 you know what you're talking about,

00:33:21.100 I would go so far

00:33:22.620 as to say you're an expert

00:33:23.560 in this field,

00:33:25.780 given everything you said,

00:33:27.100 the old growth

00:33:28.080 lined in lead,

00:33:29.820 do you really think

00:33:31.120 that just some

00:33:32.460 electrical wiring

00:33:33.580 and,

00:33:34.840 or like a cigarette

00:33:35.920 would be enough

00:33:37.160 to set the entire

00:33:38.420 roof of Notre Dame

00:33:40.220 ablaze?

00:33:41.320 No,

00:33:41.900 I don't think it would be,

00:33:43.000 I don't think it would be enough,

00:33:44.840 honestly,

00:33:45.500 but,

00:33:46.580 you know,

00:33:46.900 I'm interested to know

00:33:48.440 about any of the,

00:33:49.840 any of the scaffolding

00:33:51.180 and safety measures

00:33:53.140 and,

00:33:54.220 maybe if there was any,

00:33:55.160 like,

00:33:55.500 treatment of the wood

00:33:56.820 as it was,

00:33:58.280 as it was on there

00:34:00.100 because,

00:34:01.220 if you ever worked

00:34:02.080 with any kind of wood,

00:34:03.580 you would know

00:34:04.220 that many of the

00:34:05.260 finishing chemicals

00:34:06.300 that you use

00:34:07.260 or any stains,

00:34:09.100 they're highly flammable.

00:34:12.060 So,

00:34:12.560 instead of

00:34:13.100 outright

00:34:14.300 pouring gasoline

00:34:16.100 on wood,

00:34:17.720 what's another way

00:34:18.860 to light wood

00:34:20.300 on fire

00:34:20.920 is

00:34:21.400 but

00:34:22.000 to put lacquer

00:34:23.900 maybe

00:34:24.180 or

00:34:24.940 some kind

00:34:26.260 of other stain

00:34:27.020 or protective coating

00:34:28.660 to,

00:34:29.720 uh,

00:34:30.280 increase the

00:34:31.180 sustainability

00:34:31.800 over time,

00:34:33.600 whatever they might

00:34:34.500 need to use,

00:34:36.400 coat the beams

00:34:37.140 with,

00:34:38.160 and,

00:34:38.840 you know,

00:34:39.820 maybe it could just

00:34:40.460 be placed up there

00:34:41.420 for safekeeping

00:34:42.440 while the reconstruction

00:34:43.780 is happening,

00:34:44.900 or I'm sorry,

00:34:45.480 while the,

00:34:45.980 uh,

00:34:46.320 repairs at the time

00:34:47.520 in 2019

00:34:48.140 were happening,

00:34:49.680 and that's,

00:34:51.440 that's a plausible theory.

00:34:53.360 I don't know

00:34:53.940 exactly what techniques

00:34:55.200 they were using.

00:34:55.780 let me just make sure,

00:34:57.120 maybe just make sure

00:34:57.960 I understand

00:34:58.280 what you're saying,

00:34:58.820 though,

00:34:59.360 is you're saying

00:34:59.980 that some of the materials

00:35:01.520 that could have been,

00:35:02.960 that could have been

00:35:04.000 up there,

00:35:05.240 uh,

00:35:05.700 in use for

00:35:06.980 the actual

00:35:08.200 restoration

00:35:09.440 or some of the repair

00:35:10.420 work that was being done,

00:35:11.860 those materials

00:35:12.900 could also have been

00:35:14.680 themselves

00:35:15.520 accelerants for the fire,

00:35:17.520 and so,

00:35:18.320 and again,

00:35:18.820 you know,

00:35:19.680 if someone were there

00:35:21.000 who had a,

00:35:23.640 uh,

00:35:24.500 you know,

00:35:24.880 who had ulterior motives,

00:35:26.680 someone who,

00:35:27.580 who wanted

00:35:28.320 to do something like this,

00:35:30.000 as we saw,

00:35:30.740 again,

00:35:31.000 and I just went through

00:35:31.680 the list of so many,

00:35:33.720 so many,

00:35:34.780 uh,

00:35:35.840 churches that were burned

00:35:37.440 and have been burned

00:35:38.340 and are still being burned

00:35:39.720 in France

00:35:40.340 by radical Islamists

00:35:41.760 as well as leftists,

00:35:43.220 that,

00:35:43.980 you know,

00:35:44.540 it,

00:35:44.760 it really,

00:35:46.280 really,

00:35:47.240 I think,

00:35:47.900 requires just a healthy dose

00:35:50.040 of salt

00:35:51.360 to sit there and say,

00:35:52.740 oh,

00:35:53.160 well,

00:35:53.640 yeah,

00:35:53.920 it's,

00:35:54.180 you know,

00:35:54.680 all of the churches

00:35:55.760 but this one,

00:35:56.620 all of the churches

00:35:57.700 but the biggest one,

00:35:58.700 I mean,

00:35:59.060 come on,

00:35:59.660 it's a joke.

00:36:00.860 I mean,

00:36:01.900 Jack,

00:36:02.280 we're,

00:36:02.500 we're coming around

00:36:03.320 Christmas time here,

00:36:04.700 right,

00:36:05.040 and,

00:36:05.440 uh,

00:36:06.100 you recall,

00:36:06.980 I believe it was the same year,

00:36:08.860 if not 2020,

00:36:09.740 there was a report

00:36:11.400 from New York City

00:36:13.400 from St. Patrick's Cathedral

00:36:15.540 where a man

00:36:16.380 was arrested

00:36:17.820 for going into the cathedral

00:36:20.500 with two,

00:36:21.700 like,

00:36:22.520 red gallons of gasoline.

00:36:24.880 Yeah,

00:36:25.500 the gas cans.

00:36:26.180 Or it was,

00:36:27.000 clearly,

00:36:29.480 uh,

00:36:30.060 would not need any,

00:36:31.240 any reason to do that

00:36:32.760 or ever be in,

00:36:33.800 like,

00:36:34.220 any public square

00:36:35.500 for that matter

00:36:37.040 with just random gasoline.

00:36:40.100 And,

00:36:40.320 uh,

00:36:40.800 so,

00:36:41.320 it's,

00:36:41.840 yeah,

00:36:43.180 that,

00:36:43.560 that,

00:36:44.060 it was,

00:36:44.560 it was very recently

00:36:45.580 after Notre Dame.

00:36:47.120 So,

00:36:47.560 you know,

00:36:48.920 and I wanted to make a point too

00:36:50.460 that,

00:36:50.780 like,

00:36:51.540 if you're up there

00:36:52.440 during the construction

00:36:53.560 and the,

00:36:54.020 and the scaffolding's there

00:36:55.240 and you're working

00:36:56.300 on the roof,

00:36:57.420 sometimes,

00:36:58.740 because I was also doing

00:36:59.800 some work myself

00:37:00.880 with the parish

00:37:02.200 I used to attend

00:37:02.880 outside of Philadelphia,

00:37:04.020 the Latin Mass,

00:37:04.880 and we were getting all,

00:37:06.440 like,

00:37:06.940 pure slate replacement

00:37:08.440 over the roof.

00:37:09.520 So,

00:37:10.000 one of the requests

00:37:10.760 from the builders

00:37:11.420 was to

00:37:12.200 build catwalks inside

00:37:14.360 and,

00:37:15.440 anyways,

00:37:16.020 if you're going to replace slate,

00:37:17.400 you have to take off the slate,

00:37:18.780 opening a hole

00:37:19.640 and what does fire need

00:37:21.240 to accelerate

00:37:22.840 is more oxygen.

00:37:24.120 So,

00:37:24.300 if the air comes in,

00:37:25.240 you know,

00:37:26.120 that could have been

00:37:27.500 another,

00:37:28.040 another angle to it

00:37:29.960 and also,

00:37:30.880 suspicion

00:37:32.160 leads me to,

00:37:34.520 you know,

00:37:34.820 there was

00:37:35.300 no cameras really.

00:37:38.260 Why wouldn't you have cameras

00:37:39.480 in 2019

00:37:40.440 just

00:37:41.800 around

00:37:42.980 Notre Dame?

00:37:44.560 You know,

00:37:44.960 there's,

00:37:45.840 there's,

00:37:46.460 there's

00:37:47.120 no,

00:37:48.360 again,

00:37:48.820 no documented evidence.

00:37:50.040 Like,

00:37:50.380 oh,

00:37:50.620 we weren't sure.

00:37:51.320 There might have been cameras

00:37:52.600 on the scaffolding

00:37:53.740 for the construction safety,

00:37:55.200 but,

00:37:56.200 ah,

00:37:56.940 we don't really remember now

00:37:58.500 if Notre Dame

00:38:00.000 ever had its own

00:38:01.400 just

00:38:02.340 security cameras.

00:38:04.700 Like,

00:38:05.260 it's a,

00:38:05.960 basically,

00:38:06.380 a World Heritage site,

00:38:07.560 one of the

00:38:08.000 wonders of the world

00:38:09.740 and to not have

00:38:12.500 its own security cameras

00:38:13.760 or just like a live stream.

00:38:15.220 You know,

00:38:15.400 a dad just loves,

00:38:16.460 dad'll go on like

00:38:17.420 live streams of the beach

00:38:19.320 and just like watch the waves

00:38:21.080 at,

00:38:21.960 you could watch a live feed

00:38:23.140 off the beach.

00:38:23.300 And there were

00:38:24.040 some streams

00:38:24.940 that I saw people

00:38:25.860 have pulling up

00:38:26.820 from like downtown

00:38:27.500 Paris

00:38:28.660 or,

00:38:29.840 you know,

00:38:29.980 going to that area

00:38:30.960 and,

00:38:31.780 you know,

00:38:32.480 looking at stuff

00:38:33.120 and they could see

00:38:34.140 people walking around

00:38:35.360 up there

00:38:35.880 and,

00:38:36.880 look,

00:38:37.120 it's just something,

00:38:38.100 by the way,

00:38:38.580 Michelle Obama,

00:38:39.820 Michelle Obama

00:38:41.100 going down the river,

00:38:43.300 right?

00:38:43.600 So going down the Seine

00:38:44.820 right at the same time,

00:38:46.760 she's got that little 0.97

00:38:47.600 champagne flute

00:38:49.020 and she's got her,

00:38:49.860 you know,

00:38:50.120 she's got it up

00:38:50.800 and she's sipping it

00:38:51.680 and you feel,

00:38:52.280 it looks like you could see

00:38:53.180 the smoke being reflected

00:38:54.840 in the very glass itself.

00:38:56.800 I'm like,

00:38:57.620 guys,

00:38:58.200 something is suspicious here.

00:39:00.700 I feel like we know

00:39:01.780 what's going on

00:39:02.720 and I feel,

00:39:03.920 and I'm just going to say it,

00:39:04.760 I feel like

00:39:05.540 whatever was

00:39:07.360 and I will,

00:39:07.920 I will always believe this

00:39:09.180 and no one will ever be able

00:39:10.180 to change my mind on it

00:39:11.340 that whoever

00:39:12.700 was the person

00:39:14.480 that started that fire,

00:39:16.900 number one,

00:39:17.420 it was done deliberately

00:39:18.400 and it wasn't just an act

00:39:20.980 of human hands,

00:39:21.980 it was a demonic,

00:39:23.180 act.

00:39:24.160 It was clearly an act

00:39:25.580 of demons

00:39:26.580 against one of the most

00:39:28.780 central beating hearts

00:39:30.960 of Christendom,

00:39:32.460 one that has stood for,

00:39:34.060 again,

00:39:34.380 almost a thousand years

00:39:36.700 and they were trying

00:39:37.620 to destroy the entire thing.

00:39:39.660 That's why Notre Dame

00:39:41.080 is so important,

00:39:42.060 that's why restoring it

00:39:43.240 is so important

00:39:44.060 because if you understand

00:39:45.520 the big fight

00:39:47.060 that's going on,

00:39:48.260 if you understand

00:39:49.180 the higher level fight,

00:39:51.360 the higher level

00:39:52.540 and the deeper war

00:39:54.380 that are going on,

00:39:56.320 you understand

00:39:57.280 why the reconstruction

00:39:58.640 and the ringing

00:39:59.520 of the bells

00:40:00.180 of Notre Dame

00:40:01.000 and they say

00:40:02.000 that the ringing

00:40:03.360 of consecrated bells

00:40:04.800 wards off demons.

00:40:07.760 That is why

00:40:08.620 it is so important

00:40:10.140 and they first rang

00:40:11.320 the day after

00:40:12.300 President Trump's election

00:40:13.480 in 2024.

00:40:16.100 Kind of interesting,

00:40:17.420 kind of interesting,

00:40:18.120 don't know what it means.

00:40:19.640 We'll be right back.

00:40:20.180 We'll be right back.

00:40:48.120 And so here we are,

00:40:49.700 Jack Posobiec

00:40:50.640 and Kevin Posobiec,

00:40:52.520 final segment,

00:40:53.640 not just of

00:40:54.700 the truth about Notre Dame,

00:40:56.220 but also the final segment

00:40:58.040 of the Chronicles

00:41:00.100 of the Christians.

00:41:02.260 And who knows,

00:41:03.180 maybe we'll do

00:41:04.260 some more episodes

00:41:05.020 on this.

00:41:05.880 We can, you know,

00:41:06.460 there's certainly

00:41:06.900 quite a bit

00:41:07.860 of Christian history,

00:41:08.800 but we started

00:41:10.100 with the rise

00:41:10.880 of Christianity.

00:41:11.480 We covered how it spread

00:41:13.260 throughout Europe

00:41:13.940 and we dispelled

00:41:15.220 a lot of the myths

00:41:16.060 that people were forced

00:41:17.180 to convert to Christianity,

00:41:18.620 that actually it was

00:41:19.660 something that spread

00:41:20.480 organically.

00:41:21.660 We covered the Crusades

00:41:23.380 and we debunked

00:41:24.900 the myths

00:41:25.340 that the Crusades

00:41:26.120 were an invasion 0.98

00:41:26.900 of the Middle East

00:41:27.760 and in fact it was

00:41:28.580 a response

00:41:29.140 to what was going on

00:41:30.220 and it was done

00:41:32.060 at the behest

00:41:32.840 of the Eastern Orthodox Church

00:41:35.380 that was being overrun

00:41:37.340 in Byzantium

00:41:38.460 by the Caliphate

00:41:40.180 and the Muslim hordes, 0.99

00:41:42.020 the ones that had been 0.98

00:41:42.920 attacking Europe

00:41:43.800 and Christendom,

00:41:45.100 oh by the way,

00:41:46.020 all the way back

00:41:47.200 as early as 700 AD

00:41:49.800 in Spain,

00:41:51.200 not to mention

00:41:51.680 sweeping across

00:41:52.580 all of North Africa

00:41:53.880 and then we also covered

00:41:55.780 the Shroud of Turin

00:41:57.460 and the new scientific data,

00:42:00.680 the scientific data

00:42:02.060 behind the Shroud of Turin

00:42:03.920 that gives us

00:42:04.760 a lot of information

00:42:06.400 saying that this thing

00:42:07.940 is 2,000 years old

00:42:09.720 and it was dated

00:42:10.760 to the time

00:42:11.540 of the Battle of Masada

00:42:13.280 using a piece

00:42:14.300 of the cloth

00:42:15.140 from the Battle

00:42:16.560 of Masada.

00:42:18.180 Wrapping it up,

00:42:19.060 we got to

00:42:19.840 the Notre Dame

00:42:21.100 and the importance

00:42:21.820 of the Notre Dame.

00:42:23.740 Kevin,

00:42:24.480 you know,

00:42:24.800 just zoom out

00:42:26.180 a little bit here.

00:42:27.640 Why is it important

00:42:28.780 for Christians

00:42:29.580 to know their history,

00:42:31.300 this history

00:42:31.880 that is totally

00:42:33.060 untold

00:42:34.680 and totally

00:42:35.140 kept hidden from us?

00:42:36.100 why is it important

00:42:39.020 for Christians

00:42:39.680 to remember

00:42:41.120 in their history?

00:42:41.840 I mean,

00:42:42.120 if you don't know

00:42:43.080 where you come from

00:42:45.400 and you don't know

00:42:46.720 who you are,

00:42:47.540 if you don't know

00:42:48.060 who you are, 0.52

00:42:48.660 how the heck

00:42:49.780 will you know

00:42:50.460 where you're going?

00:42:52.540 Yeah.

00:42:53.820 It's important

00:42:54.480 because

00:42:55.680 it's like

00:42:58.840 the commitment

00:43:00.140 to it,

00:43:01.440 to the building,

00:43:02.500 to the faith,

00:43:03.580 you know,

00:43:03.820 that's what Christ

00:43:04.380 himself did for us.

00:43:05.480 He sacrificed his life

00:43:07.020 and,

00:43:07.980 you know,

00:43:08.920 what greater love

00:43:09.920 can you have

00:43:10.580 than to lay down

00:43:11.220 your life

00:43:11.580 for your brother?

00:43:12.880 And

00:43:13.200 it's important

00:43:14.920 for Christians

00:43:15.380 to realize

00:43:15.860 because that's

00:43:16.700 what connects us.

00:43:18.260 It connects us

00:43:19.940 back to tradition,

00:43:21.600 to family,

00:43:22.800 the nuclear family works,

00:43:24.560 community works,

00:43:25.500 fellowshipping works,

00:43:28.880 you know,

00:43:29.400 fraternity works,

00:43:30.680 men with other men,

00:43:32.160 you know,

00:43:32.820 and women

00:43:33.720 with women.

00:43:34.880 That's what

00:43:35.480 I see a lot

00:43:36.540 in the traditional

00:43:37.380 Latin mass community

00:43:38.360 today.

00:43:40.420 And that can go back

00:43:41.660 even to like

00:43:42.380 guilds

00:43:43.180 in medieval times.

00:43:44.820 Like you did have,

00:43:45.820 it's basically like

00:43:46.540 unions now,

00:43:47.800 but back then

00:43:49.040 you would have

00:43:49.640 stone cutters,

00:43:50.940 stonemasons,

00:43:52.220 basically like

00:43:53.400 living together

00:43:54.640 and then,

00:43:55.200 you know,

00:43:56.140 how else

00:43:57.360 could you get better

00:43:58.280 at your craft

00:43:58.920 if not just,

00:44:00.200 maybe not like

00:44:01.080 live together,

00:44:01.760 but live on the

00:44:02.440 same street

00:44:03.100 and hang out

00:44:04.080 together all the

00:44:04.880 time.

00:44:05.520 Same with many

00:44:06.360 other craftsmen,

00:44:07.080 you have like

00:44:07.640 of course the

00:44:10.380 woodworkers

00:44:10.880 and the stained

00:44:11.980 glass,

00:44:12.580 stained glass guys,

00:44:14.080 they would just

00:44:16.080 stick together

00:44:16.840 together and

00:44:17.520 through that,

00:44:18.620 that's like a

00:44:19.200 Christian,

00:44:19.620 a Christian

00:44:20.640 principle too

00:44:21.580 of commitment

00:44:22.200 and perseverance.

00:44:23.480 so it's,

00:44:28.360 it speaks to

00:44:29.740 discipline as

00:44:30.460 well,

00:44:31.180 you know,

00:44:31.520 go to church

00:44:32.180 every Sunday,

00:44:33.420 you know,

00:44:33.760 there's repetition

00:44:34.440 in like

00:44:36.220 rosary for instance,

00:44:37.460 like why you say

00:44:38.140 oh so many

00:44:38.640 Hail Marys,

00:44:39.280 this and that,

00:44:39.780 but it builds

00:44:40.360 repetition,

00:44:41.480 it builds

00:44:42.020 routine,

00:44:43.340 and those are

00:44:44.400 things that

00:44:45.240 are directed

00:44:47.820 towards success

00:44:48.740 and life

00:44:49.160 and prosperity

00:44:49.820 and it's worked

00:44:50.620 for hundreds

00:44:51.900 and hundreds

00:44:52.300 of years so far,

00:44:53.480 so it's

00:44:54.980 something the

00:44:55.520 French clearly

00:44:56.380 believed in

00:44:57.160 and they also

00:44:57.780 believed in beauty

00:44:58.520 really.

00:44:59.620 So I wanted to

00:45:00.560 talk about earlier

00:45:01.360 with the whole

00:45:02.300 lack of like

00:45:03.660 literacy back

00:45:04.520 then,

00:45:05.260 one of the

00:45:05.900 things championed

00:45:06.760 was art

00:45:07.520 itself because

00:45:09.040 even if you

00:45:09.620 couldn't read,

00:45:10.400 you could still

00:45:11.280 admire and

00:45:13.220 cherish really

00:45:14.120 like these

00:45:14.820 fantastic

00:45:16.140 symmetrical

00:45:18.200 patterns of

00:45:19.200 like the

00:45:19.560 rosette windows

00:45:20.460 and the

00:45:21.380 symmetry of

00:45:21.980 the two

00:45:22.300 towers and

00:45:23.260 just the

00:45:23.720 awe-inspiringness

00:45:25.100 of it

00:45:25.460 and the

00:45:26.960 majesty of

00:45:29.360 God himself.

00:45:30.800 Look at this

00:45:31.500 great work.

00:45:32.060 And that's a

00:45:32.960 great point

00:45:33.400 because the

00:45:34.960 cathedrals are

00:45:36.640 our direct

00:45:38.280 link in so

00:45:39.780 many ways to

00:45:40.800 our history as

00:45:42.100 Christians and

00:45:43.060 so as you're

00:45:44.120 saying,

00:45:44.680 there's a reason

00:45:45.380 that so many

00:45:46.380 people from all

00:45:47.400 around the world

00:45:48.200 go and visit

00:45:49.420 these things

00:45:50.260 every single

00:45:51.700 year and

00:45:52.260 people who

00:45:52.860 aren't even

00:45:53.260 from the

00:45:53.700 Christian faith

00:45:54.420 but they

00:45:55.480 recognize it

00:45:56.440 for what it

00:45:57.060 is and

00:45:58.400 to your

00:45:59.100 point,

00:45:59.720 you know,

00:45:59.940 we don't

00:46:00.320 even as

00:46:01.040 Christians

00:46:01.520 sit and

00:46:02.540 take the

00:46:02.940 time to

00:46:04.220 really

00:46:04.920 appreciate

00:46:05.880 all of

00:46:07.280 the work

00:46:08.060 that went

00:46:08.960 into these

00:46:09.640 and certainly,

00:46:10.420 you know,

00:46:10.720 Notre Dame

00:46:11.280 is just

00:46:12.340 one of

00:46:12.940 many,

00:46:13.460 many,

00:46:13.820 many cathedrals

00:46:15.180 throughout the

00:46:16.120 world.

00:46:16.320 It is,

00:46:16.860 I would say,

00:46:17.360 probably the

00:46:17.760 most iconic

00:46:18.580 cathedral in

00:46:20.000 the world.

00:46:21.040 You know,

00:46:21.220 you could debate

00:46:21.700 between that one

00:46:22.340 or St.

00:46:22.680 Peter's,

00:46:23.120 but,

00:46:23.500 you know,

00:46:24.500 this is a

00:46:25.220 huge actual

00:46:26.120 part of

00:46:26.560 history.

00:46:26.980 It predates

00:46:27.440 St.

00:46:27.760 Peter's by

00:46:28.260 like,

00:46:28.640 I think,

00:46:29.160 almost 500

00:46:29.780 years or so

00:46:30.720 and,

00:46:31.700 you know,

00:46:32.560 one thing that

00:46:33.120 blew my mind

00:46:33.720 earlier this

00:46:34.280 week,

00:46:35.120 you know,

00:46:35.300 just studying

00:46:35.740 about this

00:46:36.260 was that

00:46:36.660 the Notre Dame

00:46:37.920 predates the

00:46:39.000 Aztec Empire.

00:46:40.520 It predates so

00:46:41.400 many things

00:46:42.040 around the

00:46:42.560 world and yet

00:46:43.500 we sit there

00:46:44.640 and act like,

00:46:45.740 oh,

00:46:46.320 these things

00:46:47.460 were taken

00:46:47.980 for granted

00:46:48.420 and we as

00:46:48.980 Christians

00:46:49.340 should never

00:46:50.440 take our

00:46:51.700 history for

00:46:52.720 granted.

00:46:53.240 What do you

00:46:53.440 think,

00:46:53.720 Kev?

00:46:55.300 Well,

00:46:55.780 I gotta say,

00:46:56.400 I mean,

00:46:56.600 I could give

00:46:57.000 a whole podcast

00:46:57.620 about old

00:46:59.260 growth,

00:46:59.660 but one fun

00:47:00.300 fact is like,

00:47:01.680 they were old

00:47:02.300 growth at the

00:47:02.940 time,

00:47:03.460 so 800 years

00:47:04.380 ago,

00:47:04.760 those beams

00:47:05.420 were also

00:47:06.160 hundreds of

00:47:06.720 years old,

00:47:07.260 so you speak

00:47:07.760 that it's

00:47:08.160 older than

00:47:08.540 the Aztecs.

00:47:09.740 That wood

00:47:10.140 itself is

00:47:11.360 probably over

00:47:12.300 a thousand

00:47:12.720 years old.

00:47:14.160 Amen.

00:47:14.960 So folks,

00:47:15.360 just wanted

00:47:15.620 to throw

00:47:15.920 that in

00:47:16.280 there.

00:47:17.500 Yeah,

00:47:17.760 no,

00:47:17.980 it's amazing,

00:47:19.120 and again,

00:47:19.480 we could go

00:47:19.940 on and on

00:47:20.940 because,

00:47:21.740 folks,

00:47:21.940 with this

00:47:22.380 series,

00:47:23.320 the Chronicles

00:47:23.820 of the

00:47:24.060 Christians,

00:47:24.400 the goal

00:47:25.080 always was

00:47:26.280 and always

00:47:27.300 was just

00:47:28.300 to give you

00:47:29.140 an understanding

00:47:30.060 that there's

00:47:30.620 such a broad

00:47:32.260 history of the

00:47:33.660 Christians,

00:47:34.420 of the Christian

00:47:35.380 people,

00:47:35.980 and the Chronicles

00:47:37.400 of the Christians 0.95

00:47:38.340 was put together

00:47:39.440 with that in

00:47:40.080 mind to give

00:47:41.260 you the

00:47:42.200 respect,

00:47:43.340 and also,

00:47:44.120 by the way,

00:47:44.940 give you the

00:47:45.600 inspiration of

00:47:46.800 knowing that

00:47:47.680 you stand on

00:47:48.720 the shoulders

00:47:49.240 of so many

00:47:50.580 who came

00:47:51.280 before you,

00:47:52.020 but also you

00:47:53.440 have a duty

00:47:54.120 to preserve

00:47:55.160 this history

00:47:55.960 and to preserve

00:47:57.220 our religion

00:47:58.500 for the next

00:47:59.440 generations of

00:48:00.660 the Christians

00:48:01.220 yet to come.

00:48:03.240 Ladies and 0.98

00:48:03.740 gentlemen,

00:48:04.280 you have my

00:48:04.680 permission to

00:48:05.620 lay ashore.

00:48:06.080 to

00:48:15.720 the

00:48:15.900 God

00:48:16.420 to

00:48:18.400 the

00:48:20.720 people

00:48:21.160 want

00:48:22.260 to

00:48:24.040 make

00:48:24.680 the

00:48:24.720 way

00:48:24.840 to

00:48:25.860 sing

00:48:26.340 sing

00:48:29.300 or

00:48:32.480 sing

00:48:34.360 in

00:48:34.400 another

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 31, 2024

The Chronicles of the Christians - Part IV： Notre Dame

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