The ideals that were fought for on the 4th of July are more on the line now than in our entire lifetime, perhaps, than in the entire life of this republic. How did we go from the republic that was born on that day in 1776, in Independence Hall, to the one we have now?
00:02:11.140And the ideals that were fought for on the 4th of July are more on the line now they've ever been in our entire lifetime, perhaps, than in the entire life of this republic.
00:02:24.040Let me have to be very clear about something right now.
00:02:26.400You do not live in a republic right now.
00:02:29.240So, if you've been out there, hanging out at the barbecue, hanging out, eating your hot dogs, watching fireworks, I hope you did that stuff.
00:03:01.560How did we go from the republic that was born on that day, July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Independence Hall, and then later, 1791, same building, with the drafting of the Constitution.
00:03:18.140How did we go from that system to the system we have now?
00:04:10.820They got so much of it, in fact, that they were able to take over every single institution in the country.
00:04:19.440Until a man came along named Donald J. Trump, got back to the White House, was able to finally swing the Supreme Court, so we've got a little bit of hope left.
00:04:28.120But the republic is hanging by a thread, an absolute thread.
00:04:34.040And so as we sit here, there are now political prisoners in the United States.
00:04:37.180And you've got a Supreme Court justice who just recently this week said that we should be able to throw previous presidents, former presidents, in jail, like a third world country.
00:04:54.220So that is why we'll be talking about this in the show today.
00:04:58.820The new book, Unhumans, is that you must read this book, you must study this book, and you must put this book into action.
00:05:05.200Because this is the playbook to explain what these people have done before, what they've done in the past, the horror that they've wrought, and how we can fight back.
00:05:16.980They will not stop until they are stopped.
00:05:21.700When I gave this book to Stephen K. Bannon, he read the entire thing in one sitting, in one night, and he came back with one line.
00:05:27.720He said, you know what the most important line in this book is?
00:05:30.280They will not stop until they are stopped.
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00:06:58.840They will say, in order to be fair, you must be tolerant.
00:07:02.640And in order to be tolerant, that means you must accept the gay pride orgies in public where you've got people that are just parading themselves around in San Francisco, committing sex acts in front of children, where you've got people that are being as lewd as possible.
00:07:19.740By the way, in many cases, now, in terms of this happening in front of kindergartners, in front of little children, and hopefully, in their minds, including the little children involved, and they'll say, you must be tolerant of this.
00:07:34.260Well, let me talk about this because the co-author of the new book, Unhumans, is on with us.
00:07:39.840Joshua Lysak, get in here because explain to me, how has it gotten so bad that there are people on our side who are completely immune or terrified to actually do something back when all of this is?
00:07:57.220So, Steve Bannon, behind bars, Pierre Navarro, behind bars, President Trump, not only about to be sentenced in just a few days' time, but, oh, by the way, the entire left is calling for his assassination through drone strikes, and yet you've still got people who say, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, we shouldn't fight back.
00:08:17.860Joshua, I'm losing my mind over here, man.
00:08:21.200Yes, thanks for having me on again, Jack.
00:08:22.980So, I was reading through Unhumans again today.
00:08:26.400It's always fun to read your own work.
00:08:28.380And what struck me was the fact that there have been throughout history men who had a father's heart, and they said the most masculine word in the English language, which is no.
00:08:39.920Francisco Franco, the general in Spain, he said, wherever I am, there will be no communism.
00:08:45.600And I understand, everyone, that communism, leftism, Marxism, progressivism, socialism, whatever ism that you want, it doesn't particularly matter what it is that you call it, because it's not a philosophy.
00:08:58.940It is a principle, and it is one principle, and that is the principle of power.
00:09:03.680You know how we have this rule in our society, follow the money, right?
00:09:10.800What guides the far left is follow the power.
00:09:14.260If you want to understand why they are the way that they are, it's power.
00:09:35.960And what's so striking that I would like the right to understand, and the center, and the few who are on the left who are awakening to the trouble of wokeness, it's that the right as an institution, as an organization, they take their fringes.
00:09:54.200They take the fringe right and gently send them off on the short bus.
00:09:59.400The left takes their fringe and puts them in charge of everything.
00:10:05.300So that is the nature of the situation.
00:10:07.880Now, if we want to know why that's the case, why specifically, I had a semi-viral post on X a couple of weeks ago pointing out the history of the Christian martyrdom North Star.
00:10:21.860Meaning, so I grew up in an evangelical Christian community, and in that community, you often see artwork and stories and songs about the necessity of martyrdom in order to be the, let's say, the most sanctified or most holiest believer that you can possibly be, at least in that community.
00:10:40.680Not that all Christians believe this, but this is certainly what was taught in my community growing up.
00:10:44.880And so the image of being thrown in by the government to be eaten by lions, men, women, and children, and everyone, that is considered the highest moral good.
00:10:54.900That is what it means to be principled.
00:10:56.440And then you understand that evangelical Christians, Republicans, they're the ones who are in power in the GOP and in many conservative think tanks.
00:11:06.880And you understand that we have one party, one side, one reality in which their one principle is power above everything else.
00:11:17.700And the other one is in part guided by the belief that to be slaughtered, literally or metaphorically, is the highest moral good, the greatest demonstration of your faith and your belief system that values.
00:11:31.640If you game theory that what's going to happen, exactly what you're seeing today, one side will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the culture war and political battles and even real life situations, and the other will do whatever it takes to win.
00:11:47.300If their principle is winning, then anything is justified.
00:11:49.500They can always say we're on the right side of history.
00:11:51.880Well, so let me push back on that just a little bit because there, and certainly there is a history of Christian martyrdom, but there are two ways to become a martyr, right?
00:12:04.040There are two ways to become a martyr.
00:12:05.980The first way of becoming martyrs is, as you say, to lay prostrate and let the world run roughshod over you, and so hopefully that you are on your knees and pushed down by the government and thrown out, and hopefully, oh gosh, yes, this is the time.
00:12:23.100The other way to die a martyr is to go out and fight for the glory of God, ad majorum dei glorium, for the greater glory of God, as St. Ignatius of Loyola taught us.
00:12:38.980By the way, that's what I texted Steve Bannon on the day that he was held off to the gulags.
00:12:44.580For the greater glory of God, go I, A-M-D-G, St. Ignatius of Loyola.
00:12:52.400So if you die in battle for Christ, if you die in battle against the unhumans, certainly you become a martyr then as well.
00:13:01.180So I guess the piece of it that I guess I would push back on is, what is it about this type of quote-unquote principled Christianity or principled conservatism that preaches pacification?
00:13:16.640Yes, it is a sort of Christian version of white guilt, where a lot of progressive female liberals, affluent white females, will have this belief where, gosh, I'm doing really well for myself.
00:13:31.660I'm really pretty and really rich, and I just feel bad for everyone who's not rich and successful and beautiful like I am and who's also white.
00:13:39.300And so they then become woke in order to make up for that.
00:13:42.340And it seems like if you talk to a lot of epically evangelical Christians, there is this feeling bad about the Crusades because a lot of people were killed during that.
00:13:53.800And that's really not what Jesus was about.
00:13:56.420He was about turning the other cheek and being blessed are the peacemakers, right?
00:14:00.120So I gave a few weeks ago when I was on your show, Jack, I mentioned the example of a local Christian school where I grew up.
00:14:07.180They decided to change the name of the mascot from the Crusaders to something like the Eagles or something very plain and simple like that.
00:14:16.580Because so many of the moms of the basketball players and sports players were kind of feeling offended and feeling bad about the image of the Crusader because that's, I mean, isn't that what Muslims do?
00:14:35.840We're supposed to be the ones getting marched into the arena.
00:14:37.720We're supposed to be the ones being slaughtered and massacred, not doing anything of the same.
00:14:41.860And so there's a false binary that either you have to be the innocent being killed or harmed in some way, or you're the one harming innocents.
00:14:51.460There's not a sense of or understanding of reciprocity.
00:14:54.260And this is what the Unhumans book, particularly chapters 12 and 13, are teaching.
00:14:58.720And are designed to teach and are entering the conversation that you don't have to do bad things to be a good person.
00:15:05.720If someone is weak or unable to defend themselves, you being weak and not defending yourself does not help them.
00:15:45.820And real quick, by the way, there was also Teddy Roosevelt, by the way, who is uniquely familiar with Unhumans because he ascended to the presidency after the assassination of his predecessor, William McKinley, which is never taught anywhere in schools.
00:16:01.440I talked about in my Antifa book, my previous book to Unhumans, that he was assassinated, that the president of the United States was assassinated by an anarcho-socialist in 1901.
00:16:11.360But, of course, we're just told that was the first red scare, that it was just a big conservative, naughty plot, that it wasn't actually real.
00:16:19.220Even though one of them may have killed a president.
00:16:31.980And I think, and I talked about this with Jay Bhattacharya, and I referenced something that you and I got into with Charlie Kirk on his great podcast, which people should go check out.
00:16:42.320You and I had a discussion with him from Detroit, and we pre-taped it, was that Teddy Roosevelt understood that not only do you have to deal with the Unhumans directly,
00:16:49.660but also that you should mitigate the inequalities and unbalances in society, because if you don't release the pressure valve off, then you get a totalitarian revolution.
00:17:05.140Because Teddy Roosevelt could see how bad things would get, of course.
00:17:09.560And keep in mind that at the time, you had anarcho-socialists.
00:17:12.200They took out Tsar Alexander in St. Petersburg, threw a grenade and killed him.
00:17:18.060They were killing people all across Europe at this point, which, of course, culminates, as everyone know, about a decade later in the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand,
00:17:28.300who was the successor to the Habsburg Empire.
00:17:30.760So there were all of these assassinations going on around the world.
00:17:35.320But it was the United States that, through Teddy Roosevelt, that mitigated a lot of the pressures that lead to unhuman revolutions and was able to off-ramp that here in the United States,
00:17:47.460the same forces of inequality that blew into the second and first world wars.
00:17:59.640When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with bloods, and them boys had a saying.
00:18:08.360You can't be listening to all that slappy, whack, trimatazala, it's a bam ship, nippy, bam, bam, like Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:18:15.800All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily.
00:18:22.820They were talking about how to off-ramp and mitigate the unhuman's revenge when the unhumans rise up.
00:18:32.540And Joshua, so I know we're jumping around here, but one of the through lines that I saw, that we saw when running through the research for this,
00:18:40.180and I talked about it with Bhattacharya on that interview we did, was that in so many of these instances,
00:18:47.080whether it be the French Revolution, whether it be Russia, whether it be Spain, whether it be China,
00:18:52.220it's always when the elites in power accumulates, the 1% accumulates so much of the wealth that the rabble-rousers then come up and say,
00:19:03.600hey, you see that wealth that those guys have, let's go kill them and kill their families and rape their children and take it away from them.
00:19:12.660Now, you can mitigate that, and many people, Teddy Roosevelt, I would be at the top of my list who's done so,
00:19:18.240Pyotr Rangel in Russia with the White Army was doing so in at least the part of Russia that he controlled, of Southern Russia.
00:19:24.520But Joshua, walk me through this idea that the unhumans are able to tap into legitimate grievances to enact their unhuman designs.
00:19:37.180Yes, we begin the book in terms of the timeline about 250 years ago with the French Revolution.
00:19:44.280Now, at that time, there had been an absolute monarchy in France where the will of the king was the will of God,
00:19:50.420was the will of the government, and so everyone had to fall in line.
00:19:53.780And there was a strict class structure between the aristocrats and everybody else.
00:20:00.980The concept of the middle class did not yet exist.
00:20:04.260We'll come back to the middle class here shortly.
00:20:06.680And so there was, in fact, an opportunity for conflict, for class conflict.
00:20:11.560And this is what later the Communist Manifesto of 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels would talk about,
00:20:16.800how there was the bourgeois that was the owners of everything, the people who owned the properties,
00:20:21.100owned the land, owned the farms, owned the factories, and so on and so forth.
00:20:25.040And then all of the actual power had actual asymmetric privilege.
00:20:29.480And then there was everyone else who was effectively disenfranchised, not a second class citizen, but a last class citizen.
00:20:37.060It would have been not a positive and encouraging place to grow up, frankly, if you were not one of the privileged classes.
00:20:44.760We saw something similar prior to the Russian Revolution in Russia.
00:20:48.700There was a system of serfdom where it was effectively debt slavery.
00:20:54.400And then there had, in fact, been slavery prior to 1861 in Russia, where the peasantry, similarly in China,
00:21:03.240where the vast majority of the people owned very little of anything.
00:21:07.720That is what Lenin and Stalin exploited.
00:21:11.780That's what Mao Zedong in China exploited.
00:21:14.360That's what Robespierre and the other proto-communists, we call them in France, exploited.
00:21:19.700There was a very real situation where there were people who had a lot of stuff,
00:21:25.160unfairly, you might even say, by birth, not by merit, a pre-merit system.
00:21:32.140Not a great society, not a great civilization.
00:30:21.400You know, we have an incredible thing.
00:30:22.620We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.
00:30:25.000But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
00:30:32.340Jack Pesovic back live, Human Events Daily.
00:30:35.980We're talking now with Joshua Lysak, the co-author of the hottest book of the summer, Unhumans,
00:30:42.480The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them.
00:30:45.760Joshua, I want to get into the how to crush them part.
00:30:48.520I know communism is bad. I don't like it.
00:30:51.680But are there times in the past where people have crushed this?
00:30:54.500And let's fast forward a little bit, because prior to Steve Bannon going to jail earlier this week,
00:31:01.080there were so many people, ABC, NBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times.
00:31:04.940And I was in some of the interviews. He obviously did most of them.
00:31:08.100But they were terrified of him saying that there was going to be reciprocity.
00:31:13.680So we give that note. So, you know, we're putting the book together.
00:31:17.620We say, well, reciprocity is the answer.
00:31:19.560That's clearly the fastest and most effective answer to this.
00:31:22.840While, by the way, dealing with the coefficients of the wealth in America,
00:31:29.800which, by the way, Donald Trump has always put at the forefront of his movement.
00:31:35.220We talked about Teddy Roosevelt in the past mitigating it.
00:31:38.860But obviously, the leader of populism right now in America today is Donald Trump.
00:31:44.660And he has always put the economic well-being of the lower class and middle class first and foremost in his mind.
00:31:51.620This is why places like your home state of Ohio, my home state of Pennsylvania, have always been the most disaffected economically,
00:32:00.880but also the ones where you find the most hardcore Trump supporters because he's speaking to those people specifically who were disenfranchised by the system of globalization.
00:32:10.440That being said, why is it that we come up with this idea of reciprocity?
00:32:33.520And then Jen Psaki, she finally comes up and says, well, you know, I mean, they are just talking about doing this within the confines of the law.
00:32:40.340It's like they've never actually encountered people on the right who say these things, have they, Joshua?
00:32:48.780The left who, again, puts power about everything, the most extreme version of the left always has power.
00:32:56.100There's a passage where you go back to 1947 in the book On Humans where Walt Disney was calling out the fact that in entertainment, media,
00:33:03.620the culture was already overrun by atheistic communists who wanted to just destroy the United States of America and all of Christian civilization with it.
00:34:16.820That's the reality in which they inhabit, where, oh, well, you know, I guess that he was convicted and he lost his appeal.
00:34:22.000I guess there was really a law broken there.
00:34:23.880The average person on the right center anywhere does not yet understand that we live in what John Robb calls the hollowed state.
00:34:32.340And this is at the late stage of an empire, and we have a global American empire, again, republic long gone.
00:34:38.600So in our empire, in any late stage empire, there is a hollowing out of key institutions.
00:34:44.200They are overrun always by power-hungry people who try to accelerate the end of everything as quickly as they can in order to steal, kill, and destroy for their own gain and for the attainment of power.
00:34:57.560So to the average observer, to the normie, what's happening to Steve Bannon, what's happening to Peter Navarro, it looks legitimate until you realize what's really going on, until you read a book like Unhumans and you get a mental model upgrade.
00:35:13.040It's like a new filter on reality where you realize that's what's happening to Peter, Steve, what's happening to Trump, what's happening to so many people, what's been happening for decades here in the United States.
00:35:47.880Yet when we talk about communism, it seems like this thing is, oh, it's in the past, it's old, it's whatever.
00:35:53.560So with this historical nonfiction book, we have brought the past, the present, and the future together to create a complete three-dimensional reality upgrade to all readers, to the right, to the world.
00:36:07.600So that there's no longer going to be, I just want to be left alone, right, versus the, I will take everything you have and your children, too, left.
00:36:17.620It will be, and I know you're not the biggest Star Wars fan.
00:36:21.160In fact, you might be one of the least there in the galaxy.
00:36:23.920I am a, I am a, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, I am a recovering Star Wars fan, a recovering Star Wars fan.
00:36:31.300People tried to, they tried to test me on the Nightsisters the other day, and they're like, well, Jack, the Nightsisters were actually always witches.
00:36:38.240And I was like, excuse me, excuse me, are you talking about the Nightsisters of Dathomir?
00:36:42.060The Nightsisters of Dathomir, the planet that was controlled originally by the Imperial Remnant, which Han Solo won in a Sabacc game, which he tried then to use to win the hand of Princess Leia away from Prince Isildur of the Hapes Consortium during the courtship of Princess Leia.
00:37:06.920Yes, so the prequels specifically are, they were my favorite when I was young and growing up, and they're my son's favorite too, and we average probably two or three viewings of one of those films a week now.
00:37:18.840And I realized that the battle of Anakin versus Obi-Wan, that duel in Revenge of the Sith, is a powerful metaphor for what the right needs to understand.
00:37:29.820In any conflict, both sides will say that they're the good guys.
00:37:32.900If you look at and you listen to the leftists, to the anti-civilization forces, to those who would unhuman you and your family, what words do they use?
00:37:54.220That's how they demonstrate that they've lost, but they're trying to gain moral superiority over you so that you fall back into martyrdom mode.
00:38:00.820Where, oh, that's right, back into the arena, guys.
00:38:16.240And, of course, he says, well, from my point of view, the Jedi are evil, is what he says famously towards the end of the battle of Mustafar.
00:38:22.620And, of course, Obi-Wan says, well, then you are lost.
00:38:33.280Oh, you mean the right should fight the left with the exact same weapon that they're using through their hollowed state apparatus to steal, kill, and destroy?
00:38:40.800And launch these micro-revolutions where they attempt to unhuman people like Steve Bannon, like Peter Navarro, like Donald Trump and his family and his business empire, like children, Christian children in Nashville, like anyone who's binging TikTok and becoming the next, unfortunately.
00:39:01.780And we hope not, becoming the next potential would be an assailant of children, sort of a transgender Anakin Skywalker that is happening in this country today, this mass unhuman movement.
00:39:15.100And it takes someone, this is what I told my son, it takes someone to be an Obi-Wan who says, as Obi-Wan did, I will do what I must.
00:39:25.400Wherever I am, there will be no unhumans.
00:39:30.800And this is the upgrade that this book Unhumans brings to the Republican Party, to conservatives, to the right, old, new, young.
00:39:41.380It's going to be quite something as we see this book penetrate the unfortunately hollowed out Republican Party, but the new people rising up, the millennials, the Zoomers, even the Gen Xers coming to power realizing, no, we can't just say, well, do what you must.
00:39:56.700And, you know, we'll just put, we'll put up principles over power because we're principled conservatives.
00:41:48.100It's as simple as understanding that power must be responded to with power.
00:41:53.320By the way, and you and I were discussing this before, that the Russians understand this.
00:41:56.920That the Russians understand that when the United States puts nuclear-tipped missiles in Turkey,
00:42:03.400they're going to respond with the same thing in Cuba.
00:42:06.160When the United States gives ATACOM's long-range missiles to the Ukrainians and the President of the United States, Joe Biden, goes on TV in France and says he has given authorization for those missiles to be used to strike inside the conventional territory of Russia.
00:42:24.900So the original, this mother Russia that we're talking about, not the contested areas, but in legitimate Russia, that they are now being attacked with U.S. missiles.
00:42:54.680But of course, Biden might do so because I don't really see how many other options he's got left if he wants to save his skin.
00:43:01.680But again, Joshua Lysak, what say you, are there ways that we can do this without doing what, you know, so many people out there are saying, oh, we need a national divorce and that's going to work.
00:43:12.860And we're just, red states are going to separate and we'll be good to go.
00:43:15.480So, yes, that is all terribly unwise and fanciful, bad fan fiction for a dystopian future novel.
00:43:27.400What has worked in the past to ironically de-escalate is to escalate.
00:43:34.280What we have is an asymmetric battle between, again, those who will say power above everything else and the other who says principles before power so that even if we lose everything, we've won the moral high ground or something, even if that results in our death or imprisonment or, let's say, loss of civil rights.
00:43:55.860Well, then, you know, we still won on paper officially.
00:44:00.400Understand that there are things that any of us, all of us, soccer moms and Little League dads who are listening to this show right now, watching the show, people who are county sheriffs, school board members, whatever your area of influence or sphere of influence is, you can be the one who says, wherever I am, there will be no communism.
00:44:19.020Or as Obi-Wan Kenobi said, drawing his lightsaber, I will do what I must.
00:44:23.020Now, again, that is not about hurting innocent people.
00:44:42.960And what that means is, if in your area of influence, there is unhuman activity intended to harm children, let's say, in your school district, in your library, from the Parks Department, guess what you're going to do?
00:44:55.400There's probably going to be parents who do this.
00:44:58.520You're going to gather up your mates, your girlfriends, and you're going to go run and you're going to completely take over that school board or that Parks Board or that library association.
00:45:10.420That's what you're going to do so that you can say, wherever I am, there will be no cultural Marxism.
00:45:26.140There's also things that you can do, let's say, if you have a career where you're working for a multinational corporation advancing the interests of the global American empire that is unfortunately unhumaning a lot of innocent people in the Ukraine-Russian border right now through our various weapons and cash money and all sorts of shenanigans that are happening that I can't believe that my tax dollars are going for.
00:45:47.000What we can do at any level of influence, at any sphere of influence, is we can say, how do I prepare my own personal environment for when the revolution comes to me?
00:45:59.640And this is a key point that we put forward, a hypothesis, that the new communist revolution that we're experiencing now is a wave of micro-revolutions that target specific individuals or institutions, organizations, from the NRA to the Trump Family Administration to individuals like Steve Bannon to perhaps you and also me, Jack.
00:46:24.600We're certainly laying ourselves in that onslaught, in a direct line of fire.
00:46:30.980And are we going to say, oh, dear, please don't?
00:46:46.480That's what Franco manifested in his defense and salvation of Spain.
00:46:50.940And by the way, just our final minute here, I'll reflect on something that we wrote in the book that had George Washington and the founding fathers lost, then guess what that would have been referred to as?
00:47:06.620That the events of 1776 would have been referred to as a failed military coup against the British Empire.
00:47:16.960So history is written by the victors, although in the case of the Spanish Civil War, history was written by the losers because the communists, to be fair, had pretty much all the best writers.