Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 08, 2025


The Death of the Superstar


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Jack Posobiec talks about the death of Hulk Hogan and the impact it has had on his life and how it will have on the country. Jack is a commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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00:00:50.300 Christ is king.
00:00:51.900 We have breaking news.
00:00:53.020 Wrestling legend Hulk Hogan has died.
00:00:55.420 Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, the incredible Hulk Hogan!
00:01:01.720 Step piece.
00:01:02.800 Looking at the size of your arms, I wish I had anything that big.
00:01:07.020 He just came in and you knew that this guy had a glow about him.
00:01:11.700 He was a force to be wrestled with.
00:01:13.660 He was the Babe Ruth of wrestling.
00:01:15.200 The household name became bigger than our sport.
00:01:17.940 Hulk Hogan was the man who brought professional wrestling into the mainstream in the 80s.
00:01:23.240 Hulk Hogan was the foundation for everything that we have today.
00:01:27.060 When Hulk Hogan came out, he was in the main event, the roof just blew off the place.
00:01:31.080 And that's when I decided, man, I would really like to be a professional wrestler.
00:01:35.640 The Hulkster, how good was he?
00:01:37.340 You see that?
00:01:38.840 Where is he?
00:01:41.740 Hulkamania is there.
00:01:43.540 He was one of those guys who was larger than life.
00:01:47.660 People always wanted to paint us as enemies, but we were actually very, very close friends.
00:01:56.760 He was a good man.
00:01:58.900 He was special.
00:02:00.100 He loved the president.
00:02:01.380 And obviously, he loved America.
00:02:05.000 I said, maybe entertainment, but he is one strong son of a gun.
00:02:08.780 I would tell you, I watched it many times.
00:02:11.200 Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins.
00:02:13.740 Be true to yourself, true to your country.
00:02:15.920 Be a real American.
00:02:17.200 I am a real American.
00:02:21.920 Fight for the rights of every man.
00:02:25.880 I am a real American.
00:02:29.540 Fight for what's right.
00:02:31.620 Fight for your life.
00:02:33.440 When it comes crashing down and it hurts inside.
00:02:46.580 Let me tell you something, brother.
00:02:49.220 When they took a shot at my hero.
00:02:52.560 And they tried to kill the next president of the United States.
00:03:02.020 Enough was enough.
00:03:04.860 And I said, let Trumpamania run wild, brother.
00:03:09.900 Let Trumpamania rule again.
00:03:12.760 Let Trumpamania make America great again.
00:03:16.920 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events Daily here in Washington, D.C.
00:03:26.780 And today we're doing a special entitled The Death of the Superstar.
00:03:33.060 And you just saw those images of Hulk Hogan, Harry Jean Bollea, from his entire career, his iconic status as a patriot among all things.
00:03:48.560 A patriot who loved God, who loved his country, who would wear a cross, who would make the sign of the cross before going out on that ring, who told seminal stories, and performed incredible feats.
00:04:05.920 And stood as a symbol for children, young children, that America was good, and that America was strong, and that America was worth defending.
00:04:21.120 And now, you've seen this reaction, a very split reaction, to the death of Hulk Hogan.
00:04:29.560 And in fact, in Hulk Hogan's very last physical appearance in WWE, in a crowd full of Angelinos in Los Angeles on Netflix, he was booed.
00:04:45.260 So, you quite literally have the icon of real America being booed by new America.
00:04:55.960 And this is something that's played out in our politics.
00:05:00.060 This is something that's played out in our streets.
00:05:02.940 It plays out in the media.
00:05:05.680 And that's what I want to talk about today, and not just about Hulk, but I want to get into this idea of the death of the superstar as well.
00:05:12.560 But, just zoom it out for a second.
00:05:15.260 I was there that night, at the RNC.
00:05:18.840 And I had my kids there, I had my wife, my brother.
00:05:24.560 The minute I heard that Hulk Hogan was going to be in town, I said, I'm going to lock in my seat.
00:05:30.680 And the minute that the performance, or the event began that evening, we sat down, and I said, I'm not moving from the seat until Hulk comes out.
00:05:38.760 And the boys were there, and even though it was way past their bedtime, they stayed up.
00:05:44.760 And it was easily one of the top ten moments of my entire life.
00:05:50.000 I don't just mean career, I mean my entire life.
00:05:52.300 Be there, again, with my children.
00:05:55.800 Who, at Trump's original RNC, I didn't even have children yet.
00:05:58.680 And there he was, waving the flag, my little boys, my two little boys.
00:06:07.940 And man, when he took that jacket off, I froze.
00:06:12.400 I said, he's not going to do it.
00:06:14.280 There's no way.
00:06:15.300 And then he brought his arms up to the top of his shirt, and he started pulling, and it was like a wave of energy washed over the entire crowd.
00:06:31.800 My knees buckled.
00:06:32.740 I'm not even going to lie, my knees buckled.
00:06:34.900 Hit the wall behind me.
00:06:36.100 I almost dropped my kid.
00:06:38.280 I couldn't believe it.
00:06:40.000 Couldn't believe it.
00:06:40.900 I've never seen any depiction of this in any footage or any of the streams that just catch and capture the sheer energy and power that was unleashed by Hogan on stage that night.
00:06:57.400 That's what was needed to save America.
00:07:01.300 And he came back one last time for one last ride to make America great again.
00:07:08.420 So today, folks, we're going to run wild and talk all about the importance of Hulkamania, which will live forever.
00:07:20.300 Ladies and gentlemen, right back.
00:07:21.800 Human Events Daily, we're on our voice.
00:07:27.060 Nothing will stand in our way.
00:07:29.380 And our golden age has just begun.
00:07:31.740 This is Human Events with Jack Posobo.
00:07:33.380 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
00:07:37.980 Welcome to the second American Revolution. 0.56
00:07:44.940 All right, Jack Posobo.
00:07:46.020 Here we are back live.
00:07:47.220 Human Events Daily.
00:07:48.020 We're talking about the death of the superstar.
00:07:51.340 And in order to understand the death of the superstar and the reason that our society just doesn't produce these types of figures anymore,
00:07:58.800 we really have to understand how they were produced in the first place and how they came about.
00:08:03.960 And, you know, when you look at the 80s, the 90s, there were superstars everywhere.
00:08:08.060 And not all of them were truly iconic status, but there were so many.
00:08:12.320 Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Princess Diana, Ozzy Osbourne.
00:08:17.960 We're going to talk about him in a little bit as well.
00:08:20.860 But Hulk stood head and shoulders, both physically in some of these cases and relatively above all of them.
00:08:32.440 By the way, another icon of the 80s, of course, Donald Trump himself, who we talk about almost every day here.
00:08:37.860 But what I mean with Hulk is that he was this larger-than-life figure that you could also reach out and touch because what was he doing with professional wrestling is he was going out to all of those little towns and crossing the highways and byways of America 365 or, in his telling, 400 days a year because he would wrestle in Japan across the dateline.
00:09:00.660 And he would show up in your town and you could go and see him and physically watch him come and do battle with these other legendary figures.
00:09:11.280 And so to understand sort of this whole milieu and everything that was, everything that we've lost, everything that we can have again,
00:09:21.100 I wanted to bring on my great friend, the raw egg nationalist from the UK to talk a little about it.
00:09:29.940 What's up, man?
00:09:31.880 It's good to see you, Jack, as always.
00:09:34.640 A.K.A. Dr. Charles Cornish Dale.
00:09:36.760 He's a Ph.D. from Oxford, if you believe it or not, folks.
00:09:39.960 I'm not sure about that one, but somehow he slipped through the cracks.
00:09:45.560 Yeah, I made it somehow.
00:09:48.520 What's funny is, and I'll say this publicly for the first time,
00:09:52.180 the very first conversation that you and I ever had in our entire time of knowing each other
00:09:58.880 was actually about a Hulk Hogan TV show that somehow we both watched in the 1990s growing up
00:10:05.920 called Thunder in Paradise.
00:10:08.020 And I went back and watched some of that this week with my kids,
00:10:13.760 and man, they do not make it like that anymore.
00:10:16.700 They don't make anything like that.
00:10:19.320 They really don't.
00:10:20.900 Yeah.
00:10:21.160 Thunder in Paradise is this kind of lost classic in a way.
00:10:24.840 It's, you know, it's this absurd premise.
00:10:26.900 Hulk is this kind of special forces guy who's living somewhere like Hawaii,
00:10:31.680 and he has a special kind of transforming boat that he kind of rides around it
00:10:38.700 and solves crimes and, you know, fights the Cuban communists
00:10:42.380 and all sorts of other absurd stuff.
00:10:44.920 And they're, you know, bikini-clad women, and he's got a sidekick. 0.88
00:10:48.440 And it was just totally over the top, really, really kind of absurd stuff,
00:10:52.920 a bit kind of like Baywatch but with guns and explosions.
00:10:55.640 And for some bizarre reason, they showed it on British television
00:11:01.520 on a Saturday afternoon.
00:11:04.600 And so I watched it when I was sort of six or seven.
00:11:08.380 I mean, I also watched, of course, wrestling, WWF, as it was back then.
00:11:14.620 I had a friend whose parents had satellite, and so I could watch WWF,
00:11:19.660 and we would watch The Undertaker and Bret Hart
00:11:24.720 and Shawn Michaels and the British Bulldog, and, of course, Hulk Hogan.
00:11:29.540 So, I mean, Hulk Hogan was a huge part of my childhood,
00:11:33.100 and he was a huge part of yours.
00:11:34.520 And, yeah, it was actually pretty much the very first thing we bonded over
00:11:38.680 was this absurd, silly, mid-'90s television show with Hulk Hogan.
00:11:43.960 But let's, so zoom out for a minute.
00:11:47.380 You know, what was it about Hulk Hogan as a figure,
00:11:50.060 and what was it about our society at that time?
00:11:54.640 So we're, you know, it's, he really is a figure.
00:11:57.760 You almost can't separate it from the Cold War and then the end of the Cold War
00:12:03.780 and all of the pressures that we're sort of pushing into that
00:12:07.420 because this feeds into Hogan.
00:12:09.860 He doesn't originally have the Real American soundtrack.
00:12:12.420 He's given that.
00:12:13.620 He holds the flag and just transforms immediately
00:12:17.800 into this larger-than-life figure
00:12:20.380 because he's not just a wrestler anymore.
00:12:23.600 He's somehow become this living icon of the nation itself.
00:12:29.400 Yeah, Hulk Hogan really did.
00:12:33.420 I mean, for me, look, a little kid growing up in rural England,
00:12:38.360 watching wrestling on satellite, you know, I mean,
00:12:41.160 there were loads of big personalities.
00:12:44.980 Of course there were.
00:12:46.300 There was The Undertaker.
00:12:47.900 There was Shawn Michaels.
00:12:49.560 But there was just something about Hulk Hogan.
00:12:52.140 He did, like you say, he seemed to personify
00:12:54.760 in all of its aspects the American dream.
00:12:58.100 And, you know, I mean, he literally personified it
00:13:01.080 in the sense that he was, you know, six feet, eight inches tall,
00:13:04.320 300-plus pounds.
00:13:05.920 I mean, everything about him was absurd and overblown
00:13:10.600 and raucous and out of this world.
00:13:15.540 I mean, you know, for a little boy like I was, you know,
00:13:19.060 watching from a rural English village,
00:13:21.180 it was actually like having a window not into another country
00:13:25.220 but actually onto another planet, you know.
00:13:26.980 I mean, this guy was like an alien or something, you know.
00:13:31.580 I mean, he's so, so different from the norm for, you know,
00:13:36.260 sort of an English boy.
00:13:38.300 And it was so glamorous and it made America seem like
00:13:41.540 this incredible place of opportunity and, you know,
00:13:45.660 where literal giants walk the earth
00:13:48.660 and performed superhuman feats of strength and, you know,
00:13:53.660 on a nightly basis.
00:13:55.440 I mean, it was incredibly, incredibly alluring.
00:13:59.600 And Hulk Hogan just seemed to capture, I think,
00:14:02.800 the real kind of absurdity and the overblown nature
00:14:07.080 of the American dream, of the hopes and aspirations
00:14:10.140 of the American people.
00:14:11.420 And this kind of vision, actually, of, you know,
00:14:14.780 like he's an ordinary guy
00:14:16.180 and then he becomes this incredible superstar.
00:14:18.740 I mean, it is the American dream.
00:14:21.740 It's the American dream advertised nightly
00:14:24.460 in a squared circle.
00:14:26.760 You know, and what is,
00:14:28.480 so you have that,
00:14:29.200 and of course Hollywood came calling,
00:14:31.120 his first movie, Rocky III,
00:14:32.480 tremendous success,
00:14:33.500 took over the entire world.
00:14:34.760 And you've got a number of figures in there.
00:14:36.500 You've got from Carl Weathers to Mr. T
00:14:39.940 to Sylvester Stallone himself,
00:14:42.320 Hulk Hogan,
00:14:42.940 and people look and say,
00:14:43.700 where can I get more of this type of thing?
00:14:46.660 And of course they turned to the WWF.
00:14:50.460 And what is Hogan doing there?
00:14:52.180 And again, it's not complicated.
00:14:54.280 It's not some large, complicated story.
00:14:56.840 It's what he does is,
00:14:58.620 how do you present someone as a hero?
00:15:01.880 You go and have them slay the giant.
00:15:04.760 You have them go out and kill the giant
00:15:07.560 that's been terrorizing the land.
00:15:09.840 And that's exactly what they did.
00:15:12.300 And what's amazing,
00:15:13.080 and I want to tie back into this as well,
00:15:14.860 because this is another element of it.
00:15:16.920 When Hulk Hogan fought Andre the Giant,
00:15:19.580 people say, oh, well, it's scripted, it's scripted.
00:15:21.180 Yeah, well, so is Marvel.
00:15:22.240 Okay, so is Star Wars, right?
00:15:24.260 But what's different here is
00:15:26.560 he's actually lifting a 500-pound man over his head
00:15:31.480 and slamming him to the ground.
00:15:33.300 That requires actual physique. 0.98
00:15:35.280 He tore every muscle in his back
00:15:37.020 and talked about it for years,
00:15:39.420 that it was an injury that stayed with him
00:15:42.020 for the rest of his days
00:15:43.820 until his death itself at 71.
00:15:46.940 And that match wasn't held in,
00:15:50.980 you know, Madison Square Garden
00:15:53.880 or, you know, Los Angeles
00:15:56.180 or any of these big cities.
00:15:57.120 It's held in Pontiac, Michigan, right?
00:15:59.300 So this hardscrabble, rural, industrial,
00:16:04.600 working-class, blue-collar area,
00:16:07.180 but they still get 93,000 people into the arena.
00:16:11.240 Why?
00:16:11.880 Because, well, you know, your area,
00:16:14.360 and that was what was so great about wrestling,
00:16:15.800 your area may not have a professional sports team
00:16:18.640 or some massive downtown,
00:16:20.540 but you know what?
00:16:21.580 Hulk Hogan might be coming,
00:16:22.900 and you can go and see him perform
00:16:25.240 these incredible feats
00:16:26.440 without having to go too far
00:16:28.140 or even pay that much money.
00:16:31.000 Yeah, it's, I mean, look,
00:16:32.620 people rag on wrestling
00:16:34.600 and always have ragged on wrestling
00:16:36.060 for being fake,
00:16:37.240 and maybe it's unsophisticated,
00:16:39.280 you know,
00:16:39.480 and the only people who like it are rubes,
00:16:41.840 et cetera.
00:16:42.480 But it's, I mean, it's not,
00:16:44.320 it's not, none of it's true.
00:16:45.820 I mean, you know,
00:16:46.440 what you were saying about slaying the giant.
00:16:48.280 Look, I mean, this isn't,
00:16:49.640 we're talking about archetypal stories,
00:16:52.140 and yes, the hero going out
00:16:54.100 and slaying the giant,
00:16:55.220 slaying the dragon,
00:16:56.380 this is an archetypal type of story,
00:17:00.160 and it's a type of story
00:17:01.120 that everybody,
00:17:02.380 everybody can get behind,
00:17:03.800 everybody can understand,
00:17:05.000 and everybody knows who's right
00:17:06.460 and who's wrong,
00:17:07.140 and everybody can root for the good guy.
00:17:09.260 And that's what they did with Hulk Hogan.
00:17:12.000 But I think-
00:17:12.300 It's quite literally in the Bible.
00:17:14.620 Yeah, exactly.
00:17:15.400 Exactly, exactly.
00:17:16.140 I mean, yes, it's David and Goliath.
00:17:17.780 We're talking about the oldest kind of stories
00:17:20.820 being played out in a totally novel format,
00:17:24.120 you know, with modern glitz and glamour
00:17:25.960 and pyrotechnics and, you know,
00:17:28.340 beamed around the world on satellite
00:17:29.660 and all that kind of stuff.
00:17:30.740 But nevertheless,
00:17:31.740 this is deep, deep human interest
00:17:35.160 that we're seeing play out.
00:17:37.360 And, but what is interesting as well,
00:17:39.640 like you say, is look,
00:17:41.320 that didn't take place
00:17:43.120 at Madison Square Garden.
00:17:44.120 That took place in Pontiac, Michigan, right?
00:17:46.660 So ordinary people
00:17:48.260 could literally watch these giants,
00:17:51.260 these superheroes,
00:17:52.580 and they were superheroes.
00:17:54.100 They could watch them, you know,
00:17:56.320 they could be within feet of them,
00:17:58.380 within 10 feet or 100 feet of,
00:18:01.240 you know, these two giants
00:18:02.500 going at it in this archetypal,
00:18:05.360 you know, biblical story.
00:18:06.680 It's like, here's a, here's a,
00:18:08.260 here's a restaging of David versus Goliath,
00:18:11.320 but it's also a story about America.
00:18:14.400 So, I mean, it was a,
00:18:15.420 it was a supremely effective way,
00:18:17.440 I think, actually,
00:18:18.380 of making people feel patriotic,
00:18:22.220 making people feel like
00:18:23.840 they were part of this grand kind of tableau,
00:18:27.240 this grand story
00:18:28.820 that not only is about America as a nation,
00:18:32.060 but also about sort of like
00:18:33.760 human achievement,
00:18:35.640 striving,
00:18:36.900 good versus evil.
00:18:38.120 I mean, it's incredibly powerful.
00:18:40.780 And where do we see that play out again,
00:18:42.920 or in terms of a spiritual successor?
00:18:45.500 It's another 80s icon,
00:18:47.120 Donald Trump,
00:18:48.340 when he would go to places
00:18:49.640 like Battle Creek, Michigan,
00:18:52.840 or, or Mosinee, Wisconsin,
00:18:54.720 or even Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:18:58.100 And you can come
00:18:59.440 and it doesn't matter where you're from,
00:19:01.360 you can go and see Donald Trump.
00:19:04.480 And so in this way,
00:19:06.800 Trump-a-mania or the MAGA movement
00:19:08.780 becomes the spiritual successor
00:19:11.320 of Hulk-a-mania,
00:19:13.260 what Hulk Hogan did.
00:19:15.400 It's beyond politics.
00:19:17.600 Right back,
00:19:18.420 Jack Posobiec,
00:19:19.220 Broadway Nationalist.
00:19:24.720 Today, you know,
00:19:26.960 they talk about influencers.
00:19:28.500 These are influencers.
00:19:30.380 And they're friends of mine.
00:19:32.760 Jack Posobiec.
00:19:34.260 Where's Jack?
00:19:35.220 Jack.
00:19:36.220 He's done a great job.
00:19:40.040 All right, Jack Posobiec.
00:19:41.220 Here we are back.
00:19:41.900 Human Events Daily.
00:19:43.140 We're talking about
00:19:44.140 the death of the superstar.
00:19:46.320 And what's interesting, though,
00:19:48.180 is so many of these superstars,
00:19:50.040 we're talking about
00:19:50.480 the raw egg nationalist,
00:19:53.020 Dr. Charles Cornish Dale.
00:19:54.720 And, Egg,
00:19:55.840 one of the things I have to say
00:19:57.200 when we're talking about Hogan,
00:19:58.560 we're going to talk about Ozzy
00:19:59.640 in a little bit,
00:20:00.940 is there's so much
00:20:03.100 of what we're saying here
00:20:04.080 is strength,
00:20:06.420 masculinity,
00:20:07.640 testosterone.
00:20:09.840 And then you look at something,
00:20:11.240 obviously,
00:20:11.560 you've written about
00:20:12.260 so many times
00:20:13.420 is the lack of this
00:20:15.000 in our society.
00:20:15.900 And you go all the way down
00:20:17.300 into the weeds of it.
00:20:18.180 But, you know,
00:20:19.420 when you take a step back
00:20:21.560 and you really look
00:20:22.660 at the big picture
00:20:23.460 is we aren't a society
00:20:25.400 that produces
00:20:26.760 Hulk Hogan's anymore.
00:20:28.440 And if they're out there,
00:20:29.560 we're certainly a society
00:20:30.640 that suppresses
00:20:32.580 a Hulk Hogan
00:20:33.480 from rising
00:20:34.300 to such heights
00:20:36.220 because we are not
00:20:37.480 a society
00:20:38.060 that places value
00:20:39.780 on these things
00:20:41.380 anymore.
00:20:42.440 And you saw
00:20:43.400 the success
00:20:44.020 of America
00:20:45.040 in the 80s
00:20:45.920 and 90s.
00:20:46.700 And it really
00:20:47.760 has to be said,
00:20:50.020 are we a country
00:20:50.900 that's been led
00:20:51.920 into ruin
00:20:52.580 because we no longer
00:20:53.560 prioritize these things?
00:20:56.120 Yeah,
00:20:56.800 well,
00:20:56.980 I think it's
00:20:58.320 impossible
00:20:58.760 to disagree
00:20:59.500 with the notion
00:21:00.160 that actually,
00:21:00.880 you know,
00:21:01.140 American society
00:21:02.040 has been neutered
00:21:03.120 since the 1980s,
00:21:04.800 since the 1990s.
00:21:06.260 I mean,
00:21:06.940 just with regards
00:21:07.780 to wrestling,
00:21:08.440 you know,
00:21:08.680 then the attitude...
00:21:09.500 Back when Hulkamania
00:21:10.180 was running wild.
00:21:13.720 Exactly.
00:21:14.500 I mean,
00:21:14.680 Hulkamania 0.51
00:21:15.380 was running wild
00:21:16.040 and then you had
00:21:16.700 kind of like
00:21:17.480 a last gasp
00:21:18.700 of that really
00:21:19.920 kind of testosterone-fuelled
00:21:21.780 version of wrestling
00:21:23.780 with the attitude era.
00:21:25.420 You know,
00:21:25.560 I mean,
00:21:25.760 that was really
00:21:26.420 off the hook
00:21:27.400 with people like
00:21:28.120 Stone Cold Steve Austin
00:21:29.160 and The Rock,
00:21:30.560 etc.
00:21:31.160 And that was kind of
00:21:32.000 like the last gasp
00:21:32.980 in wrestling.
00:21:33.620 But I mean,
00:21:34.040 more broadly,
00:21:35.320 as a society
00:21:37.020 and a culture,
00:21:37.680 then yes,
00:21:38.240 I mean,
00:21:38.820 you know,
00:21:39.260 America is
00:21:39.980 more than it's ever been
00:21:41.780 hostile to,
00:21:43.080 I think,
00:21:43.520 that kind of
00:21:44.260 overblown
00:21:45.320 incredibly over-the-top
00:21:48.100 sort of masculinity
00:21:49.040 and really,
00:21:50.560 in a sense,
00:21:51.260 I think that someone
00:21:51.960 like Donald Trump
00:21:52.880 is like the last gasp.
00:21:55.080 I mean,
00:21:55.320 Donald Trump was there
00:21:56.660 in the 1980s,
00:21:58.300 in the 1990s.
00:22:00.040 He was part of the wrestling world.
00:22:00.320 He's in the World Wrestling Hall of Fame.
00:22:02.480 Yeah,
00:22:03.060 he was part of the wrestling world.
00:22:04.060 And our current
00:22:05.420 Secretary of Education
00:22:06.460 is Vince McMahon's wife.
00:22:08.800 Yeah.
00:22:09.060 And so he's kind of like,
00:22:11.040 he's like the last custodian
00:22:13.180 of that flame,
00:22:14.240 in a way.
00:22:14.720 You know,
00:22:14.960 it's like he's in the White House
00:22:16.360 and now it's like the last chance
00:22:18.420 that maybe America will get
00:22:19.800 actually to return
00:22:21.820 to that sort of
00:22:23.120 glorious,
00:22:24.480 overblown,
00:22:26.020 hope-fueled,
00:22:27.520 kind of,
00:22:29.060 and Donald Trump
00:22:29.820 has talked of a golden age.
00:22:31.340 You know,
00:22:31.420 he said the new golden age
00:22:32.700 of America begins again.
00:22:34.280 But of course,
00:22:34.960 he's looking back
00:22:36.180 to the 1980s,
00:22:37.520 to the 1990s,
00:22:38.880 to the,
00:22:39.300 you know,
00:22:40.800 to the days
00:22:42.020 when Hulkamania
00:22:43.380 was running wild.
00:22:43.700 But talk to me a little bit about,
00:22:45.420 I mean,
00:22:45.760 this is sort of that meme,
00:22:47.240 right,
00:22:47.440 that classic meme
00:22:48.740 of
00:22:49.460 weak men create 0.99
00:22:51.540 hard times,
00:22:53.360 strong men
00:22:54.040 create good times.
00:22:55.800 And
00:22:56.160 you really can't
00:22:57.920 separate
00:22:58.340 this
00:22:59.160 notion
00:23:00.000 of
00:23:00.860 strength and masculinity
00:23:02.020 being in the lead,
00:23:03.420 and,
00:23:03.560 you know,
00:23:03.780 this is a thought crime,
00:23:04.800 I suppose,
00:23:05.180 and
00:23:06.380 good times.
00:23:08.120 It's something that just,
00:23:09.300 it echoes throughout history.
00:23:11.040 It's a pattern that echoes
00:23:11.860 throughout history.
00:23:13.820 Yeah,
00:23:14.440 it absolutely does.
00:23:16.340 It absolutely does.
00:23:17.520 And I think that we're discovering,
00:23:19.340 really,
00:23:19.940 or have discovered
00:23:20.740 over the last,
00:23:21.560 say,
00:23:21.780 20 years,
00:23:22.560 that actually,
00:23:23.220 you know,
00:23:23.460 if you neuter men,
00:23:24.920 if you tell men
00:23:25.960 that
00:23:26.420 their natural instincts,
00:23:29.220 that their natural desires,
00:23:31.420 that
00:23:31.680 the hormone,
00:23:33.480 testosterone,
00:23:33.980 that makes them men 0.92
00:23:35.820 and not women, 0.90
00:23:37.100 is bad,
00:23:38.280 then actually,
00:23:39.740 you create a society
00:23:41.700 that doesn't work.
00:23:43.280 It doesn't work.
00:23:44.340 You know,
00:23:44.460 I mean,
00:23:44.620 America has been sent off
00:23:46.320 down the wrong track
00:23:48.160 because it's demonized
00:23:49.820 its boys and its men.
00:23:51.460 And,
00:23:52.180 you know,
00:23:54.300 it's a complex phenomenon
00:23:55.700 that has,
00:23:56.380 you know,
00:23:56.880 a wide variety of causes
00:23:58.500 and a wide variety
00:23:59.460 of sort of symptoms.
00:24:00.260 But fundamentally,
00:24:02.100 I think it is,
00:24:03.760 you know,
00:24:04.200 I mean,
00:24:04.500 the decline of superstars,
00:24:06.360 the decline of people
00:24:07.520 like Hulk Hogan,
00:24:09.660 the inability
00:24:10.880 of the system
00:24:12.140 to foster these people,
00:24:13.800 to give them outlets
00:24:14.840 for their masculine
00:24:15.900 impulses and tendencies,
00:24:18.500 you know,
00:24:18.640 I mean,
00:24:18.860 that is a fundamental failing.
00:24:21.060 And the reason
00:24:21.620 why America
00:24:23.260 has fallen behind,
00:24:24.500 the reason why
00:24:25.360 America is in hard times
00:24:27.560 is definitely
00:24:28.480 because
00:24:29.120 America hasn't found
00:24:31.400 a way,
00:24:32.340 actually,
00:24:32.980 to encourage
00:24:34.700 positive masculinity.
00:24:35.860 And, you know,
00:24:36.740 I mean,
00:24:37.320 Hulk Hogan was
00:24:38.320 a positive role model.
00:24:39.920 Hulk Hogan was somebody
00:24:41.040 who,
00:24:42.060 however overblown
00:24:43.380 his,
00:24:43.960 you know,
00:24:44.740 WWF routine
00:24:45.900 was,
00:24:47.120 and however overblown
00:24:48.020 he was on the
00:24:48.740 silver screen,
00:24:50.160 you know,
00:24:50.320 I mean,
00:24:50.520 he was still someone
00:24:51.280 people could relate to
00:24:52.380 and people could still see
00:24:53.640 in his actions
00:24:54.480 and the,
00:24:55.320 you know,
00:24:55.520 the situations
00:24:56.140 he got himself into
00:24:57.080 and the stories
00:24:57.640 he was involved in,
00:24:58.900 that actually,
00:24:59.460 you know,
00:24:59.640 he was playing out
00:25:00.720 a positive story
00:25:02.700 about the need
00:25:03.980 for strong men,
00:25:05.080 even if he was
00:25:05.960 absurdly strong
00:25:07.540 and absurdly huge
00:25:08.700 and far bigger than,
00:25:09.800 you know,
00:25:10.000 than the vast majority
00:25:11.220 of people could ever be.
00:25:12.660 Nevertheless,
00:25:13.360 he embodied
00:25:14.040 a kind of vision
00:25:15.720 of positive masculinity
00:25:17.020 in service of the nation.
00:25:19.440 And that's-
00:25:20.080 Well, actually,
00:25:20.800 you know,
00:25:21.120 it's funny you mention this
00:25:22.640 because just before
00:25:23.600 Hulk Hogan
00:25:24.160 really burst onto the scene,
00:25:27.080 there was,
00:25:28.200 you know,
00:25:28.340 or I should say
00:25:29.200 as he was coming out,
00:25:30.180 he was sort of
00:25:30.660 concurrent with this,
00:25:32.260 there was another wrestler,
00:25:33.260 Dusty Rhodes,
00:25:34.180 who had a famous promo,
00:25:35.280 you just mentioned it,
00:25:36.080 Hard Times,
00:25:37.200 where he says this on air
00:25:39.140 and he says,
00:25:40.100 he says,
00:25:40.540 you put hard,
00:25:41.200 and he's talking to Ric Flair,
00:25:42.780 he says,
00:25:43.120 you put hard times
00:25:44.140 on Dusty Rhodes
00:25:44.900 and his family,
00:25:45.600 but you don't know
00:25:46.360 what hard times are,
00:25:47.700 daddy.
00:25:48.320 Hard times are when
00:25:49.140 the textile workers
00:25:50.120 around this country
00:25:50.940 are out of work.
00:25:51.940 They got four or five kids,
00:25:53.260 they can't pay their wages,
00:25:54.680 can't buy their food.
00:25:55.920 Hard times are when
00:25:56.580 the auto workers
00:25:57.340 are out of work
00:25:57.940 and they tell them,
00:25:58.580 go home.
00:25:59.980 And when a man
00:26:00.500 has worked for 30 years
00:26:01.540 at a job,
00:26:02.180 30 years,
00:26:02.880 and they give him
00:26:03.520 a watch,
00:26:04.600 kick him in the butt 0.98
00:26:05.340 and say,
00:26:05.800 hey,
00:26:06.020 a computer took
00:26:06.960 your place,
00:26:07.820 daddy.
00:26:08.660 That's hard times.
00:26:10.720 And you hear that
00:26:12.260 and it resonates
00:26:12.900 because here we are,
00:26:13.840 I think,
00:26:14.520 40 years later
00:26:15.640 and it's the same situation.
00:26:18.360 Yeah, it's the same story
00:26:21.700 except it's not
00:26:22.800 a computer taking your job.
00:26:25.360 It's, you know,
00:26:26.180 it's uncontrolled
00:26:27.920 mass immigration.
00:26:29.220 It's millions of people
00:26:30.200 flowing across
00:26:31.040 the southern border.
00:26:32.080 But yes,
00:26:32.880 it's totally
00:26:33.640 the same situation.
00:26:34.700 And this is,
00:26:35.420 this I think
00:26:36.000 is why you have
00:26:36.940 to understand
00:26:37.820 the kind of
00:26:38.460 intimate links
00:26:39.420 between the wrestling world,
00:26:41.620 between a phenomenon
00:26:42.500 like Hulkamania
00:26:43.540 and also the kind
00:26:44.580 of rhetoric
00:26:45.060 that someone like
00:26:45.680 Dusty Rhodes
00:26:46.340 was using
00:26:46.860 in the early 80s
00:26:47.900 and the Trump phenomenon.
00:26:50.680 I mean,
00:26:50.940 it's,
00:26:51.320 this is,
00:26:52.260 this is all populism.
00:26:53.760 This is,
00:26:54.120 this is all.
00:26:54.800 It's,
00:26:55.040 it's a massive,
00:26:56.080 it's,
00:26:56.300 well,
00:26:56.420 I would even say,
00:26:57.440 I would even go so far
00:26:58.160 as a nationalist populism.
00:26:59.740 So it's,
00:27:00.080 it's nationalist populism
00:27:01.400 because it's,
00:27:01.960 it's a rally
00:27:02.500 around the flag moment.
00:27:03.980 But at the same time,
00:27:05.620 it's wedded
00:27:06.560 to these populist ideas
00:27:08.220 that,
00:27:09.380 hey,
00:27:09.460 the economics
00:27:10.100 have gotten so screwy.
00:27:11.700 We love our country,
00:27:12.900 but we need someone.
00:27:14.680 We need a hero.
00:27:16.100 We need a champion.
00:27:18.120 Jack Posovic,
00:27:18.700 right back.
00:27:19.220 Real America's Voice,
00:27:19.960 Human Events Daily.
00:27:24.800 And Jack,
00:27:27.140 where is Jack?
00:27:29.160 Where is Jack?
00:27:31.480 Where is he?
00:27:32.760 Jack,
00:27:33.300 I want to see you.
00:27:36.400 Great job,
00:27:37.520 Jack.
00:27:37.880 Thank you.
00:27:38.620 What a job you do.
00:27:40.060 You know,
00:27:40.320 we have an incredible thing.
00:27:41.260 We're always talking about
00:27:42.300 the fake news
00:27:43.060 and the bad,
00:27:43.760 but we have guys
00:27:44.780 and these are the guys
00:27:46.180 who'll be getting
00:27:46.740 Pulisic.
00:27:54.800 We'll be right back.
00:28:24.800 We'll be right back.
00:28:54.780 We'll be right back.
00:29:24.760 Jack Posovic here.
00:29:45.540 We're back.
00:29:46.640 Human Events Daily.
00:29:47.760 We've been talking about
00:29:48.940 the death of the superstar
00:29:50.140 and we're getting
00:29:51.360 into Hulk Hogan.
00:29:52.160 We talked about
00:29:53.120 how the MAGA movement
00:29:54.620 really is
00:29:55.600 the spiritual successor
00:29:56.760 to Hulkamania,
00:29:58.960 this idea of
00:29:59.760 real America
00:30:00.740 versus
00:30:01.600 new America.
00:30:02.980 So the icon
00:30:03.740 of real America,
00:30:05.100 that being Hulk Hogan,
00:30:06.860 gets booed
00:30:07.700 by new America,
00:30:08.900 the Angelenos,
00:30:10.300 at that Netflix
00:30:11.480 event
00:30:12.680 where he held
00:30:13.540 his last appearance
00:30:14.820 in pro wrestling.
00:30:15.960 But there was another
00:30:17.180 working class icon
00:30:18.540 who died recently
00:30:21.500 and went out
00:30:22.780 with tremendous
00:30:23.800 fanfare as well
00:30:25.200 and that was
00:30:25.980 Ozzy Osbourne.
00:30:27.340 And you just saw
00:30:28.460 those videos
00:30:29.120 of the city
00:30:31.000 where he
00:30:31.520 and all of his
00:30:32.340 bandmates were from,
00:30:33.420 Birmingham, England,
00:30:34.680 as well as
00:30:36.060 the site
00:30:36.700 of their final concert
00:30:37.960 just a few weeks ago.
00:30:40.760 Roy Ignatialist
00:30:41.780 is our guest.
00:30:43.160 He's British,
00:30:43.960 although he wasn't there
00:30:44.840 because I guess
00:30:45.560 he was washing his hair
00:30:46.360 that day.
00:30:47.780 And
00:30:47.920 I wanted to get
00:30:50.540 into this idea
00:30:51.320 because,
00:30:51.880 you know,
00:30:52.180 we've been talking
00:30:52.700 about how
00:30:53.260 there is
00:30:54.240 very much so
00:30:55.280 when it comes
00:30:55.780 to these
00:30:56.180 superstars,
00:30:58.060 these absolute
00:30:58.860 iconic figures,
00:31:00.680 there's a connection
00:31:01.560 they have
00:31:02.220 with the average person
00:31:03.540 that only really comes
00:31:05.040 from having been
00:31:06.300 working class
00:31:07.200 and giving
00:31:08.920 respect
00:31:09.960 to the average person,
00:31:11.660 the common man,
00:31:12.600 the way that
00:31:13.600 Ozzy,
00:31:14.520 Paul,
00:31:15.280 Trump,
00:31:15.940 that all of these
00:31:16.560 Princess Diana,
00:31:17.660 that they always did.
00:31:20.660 Yeah,
00:31:21.220 so look,
00:31:21.660 I mean,
00:31:21.860 we're on the subject
00:31:22.560 of heavy metal now,
00:31:23.680 Black Sabbath,
00:31:24.800 Ozzy Osbourne.
00:31:26.320 It's a remarkable thing
00:31:27.980 that so many
00:31:29.160 amazing bands
00:31:30.600 in the 70s
00:31:31.720 and indeed
00:31:32.940 in the 80s
00:31:33.700 came from
00:31:34.440 a very small region
00:31:35.980 of England,
00:31:37.600 the Midlands,
00:31:38.300 the black country,
00:31:39.480 Birmingham,
00:31:40.460 and towns
00:31:41.380 and cities
00:31:41.840 around Birmingham,
00:31:42.940 you know,
00:31:43.100 these solidly
00:31:44.880 working class,
00:31:46.060 former industrial
00:31:48.080 manufacturing towns
00:31:50.360 and cities
00:31:50.900 that have fallen
00:31:51.560 on hard times
00:31:52.540 and what happens,
00:31:53.880 there's a kind of,
00:31:54.900 there's a cultural
00:31:55.800 movement there.
00:31:57.120 You have these bands,
00:31:58.600 Black Sabbath,
00:31:59.540 Led Zeppelin,
00:32:00.440 Judas Priest,
00:32:02.060 Saxon,
00:32:03.220 you know,
00:32:03.460 all of these,
00:32:04.180 all of these rock bands
00:32:05.440 that would go on
00:32:06.200 to conquer the world,
00:32:08.540 not just the UK,
00:32:10.620 but America,
00:32:11.820 the Far East,
00:32:12.760 everywhere,
00:32:13.420 you know,
00:32:13.700 and they all came
00:32:14.480 out of this,
00:32:15.240 out of this
00:32:16.060 small region
00:32:17.620 of the UK.
00:32:18.820 It's all tied to place,
00:32:20.580 it's all tied to
00:32:21.760 authentic existence,
00:32:23.680 you know,
00:32:23.840 these were working
00:32:24.800 class people,
00:32:25.920 you know,
00:32:26.100 Ozzy Osbourne
00:32:26.700 was a working class man,
00:32:28.660 he went to prison,
00:32:29.940 he was a burglar,
00:32:31.380 you know,
00:32:31.560 he worked in a slaughterhouse,
00:32:33.120 he worked in an abattoir,
00:32:34.280 I mean,
00:32:34.760 he was at the very,
00:32:37.380 very sharp edge
00:32:38.720 of real life
00:32:40.220 and,
00:32:41.060 you know,
00:32:41.980 his experience
00:32:44.060 and his existence
00:32:44.800 spoke to other people.
00:32:44.820 And Tony Iommi,
00:32:46.920 I mentioned this before
00:32:48.720 on air,
00:32:49.200 but Tony Iommi
00:32:50.460 has his hand
00:32:52.500 disfigured 1.00
00:32:53.580 in a sheet metal factory
00:32:56.400 that he's working at
00:32:57.300 at 17,
00:32:58.340 he has his fingers
00:32:59.180 chopped off
00:32:59.900 and rather than
00:33:01.100 give up playing guitar,
00:33:02.560 he fashions
00:33:03.620 leather thimbles
00:33:05.060 and then places them
00:33:06.380 and replaces his fingertips
00:33:08.420 and he's gone on
00:33:09.760 to invent rock and roll
00:33:11.780 or excuse me,
00:33:12.480 invent heavy metal
00:33:14.180 because of this accident.
00:33:15.860 I mean,
00:33:16.080 you're talking about
00:33:16.800 real life.
00:33:18.220 This is the genesis
00:33:19.720 of hard rock,
00:33:21.720 heavy metal
00:33:22.320 is through this,
00:33:23.660 this working class,
00:33:25.520 very real experience
00:33:27.340 and deep connection
00:33:29.800 to the actual roots
00:33:31.100 of life and reality.
00:33:32.320 And what's important
00:33:35.160 as well to note,
00:33:36.520 of course,
00:33:37.020 is that actually
00:33:37.680 none of these people
00:33:38.660 lose touch
00:33:39.460 with where they came from.
00:33:41.620 So Ozzy Osbourne,
00:33:42.760 despite being
00:33:43.840 a huge superstar,
00:33:45.400 you know,
00:33:45.560 one of the icons
00:33:46.920 of heavy metal
00:33:48.060 and living in Los Angeles
00:33:51.720 and selling,
00:33:52.520 you know,
00:33:52.980 tens of millions
00:33:53.720 of records
00:33:54.520 of being an international
00:33:55.480 superstar,
00:33:56.760 where does he go
00:33:57.880 for his final concert?
00:33:59.320 And he knew,
00:34:00.280 this is what's so poignant,
00:34:01.440 he knew,
00:34:02.220 he said in an interview,
00:34:03.760 this is going to be
00:34:04.500 the last thing I ever do.
00:34:06.100 He knew that he was
00:34:07.040 going to die. 0.95
00:34:08.040 So where does he go?
00:34:09.220 He goes home to Birmingham
00:34:10.500 to see his people
00:34:11.960 and to give them
00:34:13.560 one final swan song.
00:34:16.320 And,
00:34:16.640 you know,
00:34:17.300 you look at the,
00:34:18.160 look at the people
00:34:19.420 lining the streets
00:34:20.520 of Birmingham
00:34:21.140 as his,
00:34:23.500 as the,
00:34:24.520 as the hearse passes,
00:34:25.740 you know,
00:34:26.580 they're all white
00:34:27.680 working class people.
00:34:29.560 And this is in a city,
00:34:30.680 Birmingham,
00:34:31.360 you have to remember,
00:34:32.120 England's second city
00:34:33.860 that is now minority white.
00:34:36.460 You know,
00:34:37.140 Birmingham has seen
00:34:37.980 extraordinary demographic change
00:34:40.300 in recent decades.
00:34:41.900 And yet it's still
00:34:43.300 the white working class people
00:34:44.840 there coming out,
00:34:46.080 paying their respects
00:34:47.180 to,
00:34:47.720 to a hero
00:34:48.620 from their community,
00:34:49.760 to a man who,
00:34:50.840 despite having ascended
00:34:52.400 to the,
00:34:52.860 to the greatness
00:34:53.540 of a,
00:34:54.140 of a rock god,
00:34:55.280 of a rock icon,
00:34:56.520 nevertheless,
00:34:57.600 still loved his simple people,
00:35:00.520 the,
00:35:00.640 the simple people
00:35:01.540 who actually,
00:35:02.640 you know,
00:35:03.160 propelled him to stardom,
00:35:04.560 who bought his records,
00:35:05.800 who were with him
00:35:06.500 over four or five decades
00:35:08.660 of the,
00:35:09.140 of the most amazing career
00:35:10.500 in music.
00:35:11.180 I mean,
00:35:11.340 it's very,
00:35:11.960 very touching,
00:35:12.840 but it,
00:35:13.520 but it points at exactly
00:35:15.640 what we were talking about
00:35:17.280 with Hulkamania
00:35:18.620 and now with Trumpamania
00:35:20.380 and MAGA,
00:35:21.160 you know,
00:35:21.460 it's this connection.
00:35:22.100 Actually,
00:35:22.400 if I,
00:35:22.640 if I can just,
00:35:23.860 if I can just hit on,
00:35:24.920 if I can just hit on something,
00:35:27.260 I pulled this up
00:35:27.800 as you were speaking.
00:35:28.440 So Birmingham,
00:35:29.500 that's also the place now
00:35:31.140 where you've seen
00:35:32.140 these massive
00:35:33.060 Islamic prayer groups
00:35:36.140 out in the public square.
00:35:38.140 Tommy Robinson's talked about this
00:35:39.520 a number of times.
00:35:40.800 You,
00:35:41.460 and,
00:35:42.100 and I think,
00:35:42.940 I think it's the city
00:35:43.760 that has the largest
00:35:45.060 per capita Muslim population
00:35:47.780 in a third of the city,
00:35:49.500 a full third of the city,
00:35:50.660 hundreds of thousands
00:35:51.940 in Birmingham,
00:35:53.300 England.
00:35:54.440 And yet you look at the crowd
00:35:55.820 that's there for Black Sabbath
00:35:57.080 and I look at them
00:35:57.900 and I say,
00:35:58.180 well,
00:35:58.280 that's,
00:35:58.600 that's,
00:35:59.360 that's in the same way
00:36:00.720 we talk about Hulk Hogan
00:36:01.580 as real Americans.
00:36:02.680 Those are the real British. 0.85
00:36:05.600 Yes.
00:36:06.140 Yeah.
00:36:06.540 I mean,
00:36:06.820 it's very,
00:36:07.780 very striking.
00:36:08.780 It's a,
00:36:09.360 it's a kind of,
00:36:10.920 it's a vision of,
00:36:12.220 of what England was,
00:36:14.140 of what Britain was
00:36:15.060 as a nation.
00:36:15.680 For,
00:36:16.220 for a moment,
00:36:16.920 you know,
00:36:17.140 you were saying about,
00:36:18.180 when we were talking
00:36:20.140 before the show,
00:36:20.900 you were saying about the Queen,
00:36:22.100 about,
00:36:22.480 you know,
00:36:22.680 how similar this was
00:36:23.800 to the,
00:36:24.540 the Aussie Osborne funeral
00:36:25.520 was to the Queen's funeral.
00:36:27.760 Yeah.
00:36:28.060 It's exactly the same thing.
00:36:29.560 It's the same people.
00:36:30.640 It's the people
00:36:31.260 who actually have
00:36:32.500 a connection to Britain,
00:36:34.420 who actually have
00:36:35.120 a connection to England,
00:36:36.260 who actually love the country,
00:36:38.540 who want to preserve it,
00:36:40.900 who respect and,
00:36:42.260 and love and uphold
00:36:43.820 its traditions and history.
00:36:45.600 And that's a different thing.
00:36:46.920 You can live in a place
00:36:48.040 and actually you're,
00:36:49.760 you're never really part of it.
00:36:51.600 And that,
00:36:52.380 that's the difference.
00:36:53.200 These people are part of,
00:36:54.800 are part of Birmingham.
00:36:56.200 They are part of England,
00:36:58.400 you know,
00:36:58.780 and they're part of,
00:37:00.120 they're part of England
00:37:00.980 in the same way
00:37:01.640 that Aussie Osborne
00:37:02.380 was part of England.
00:37:03.560 And,
00:37:04.080 you know,
00:37:05.040 it's,
00:37:05.500 it's,
00:37:06.200 it's very,
00:37:06.800 very striking,
00:37:07.640 very striking,
00:37:08.460 very noticeable.
00:37:11.060 And I,
00:37:11.660 I look at this
00:37:12.480 and I think that
00:37:13.380 you,
00:37:14.540 there's no way to talk.
00:37:15.600 So we talked about
00:37:16.120 the law,
00:37:16.540 the loss of masculinity,
00:37:18.040 we talked,
00:37:18.820 obviously the industrialization
00:37:20.360 has played a huge role in this,
00:37:22.240 but,
00:37:22.500 and we keep talking around it,
00:37:23.880 but we've got a minute
00:37:24.560 before the break here,
00:37:25.260 but these,
00:37:25.760 these massive demographic pressures
00:37:27.680 in the United States,
00:37:29.620 you mentioned Los Angeles
00:37:30.700 and now here,
00:37:31.600 Birmingham,
00:37:32.040 where it,
00:37:33.860 it clearly shows
00:37:35.660 that
00:37:36.260 the original population,
00:37:38.880 the,
00:37:39.120 the,
00:37:39.380 the,
00:37:40.100 you know,
00:37:41.420 primary stock,
00:37:42.520 whatever phrase you want
00:37:43.700 to use for it
00:37:44.460 of the population,
00:37:45.680 when they have a connection,
00:37:47.660 a direct line connection
00:37:49.160 to one of these figures,
00:37:50.620 that's what propels them
00:37:52.560 to these massive heights.
00:37:55.000 That's what gives them
00:37:56.140 this massive backing
00:37:57.180 to where Ozzy Osbourne
00:37:58.260 can for something like,
00:38:00.120 like 40 or 50 years
00:38:02.540 can still be selling out,
00:38:04.240 you know,
00:38:05.160 these stadiums
00:38:06.060 in the very same town.
00:38:07.680 Hulk Hogan,
00:38:08.240 by the same token,
00:38:08.960 can do this.
00:38:09.640 Why?
00:38:10.420 Because they are
00:38:11.260 from the fabric.
00:38:12.780 They are the fabric
00:38:14.720 of the nation.
00:38:15.980 They're not stitched in,
00:38:17.180 they're not swapped in,
00:38:18.260 they're not transplants.
00:38:19.480 They live and breathe in.
00:38:21.800 Right back,
00:38:22.380 Jack Posobiec,
00:38:22.960 ROG Nationalist,
00:38:23.700 The Death of the Superstar.
00:38:26.340 You've written that
00:38:26.800 fantastic book.
00:38:27.920 Everybody's talking about it.
00:38:29.180 Go get it.
00:38:30.360 And he's been my friend
00:38:31.260 right from the beginning
00:38:32.200 of this whole beautiful event.
00:38:34.280 And we're going to turn it around
00:38:35.640 and make our country
00:38:36.560 great to get to you.
00:38:37.520 Amen.
00:38:39.640 All right,
00:38:42.240 Jack Posobiec back here,
00:38:43.400 Human Events Daily.
00:38:44.420 We're talking about
00:38:45.300 the death of the superstar,
00:38:47.200 the connection between
00:38:48.220 so many of these superstars
00:38:50.300 of the 80s, 90s,
00:38:52.040 Hulk Hogan,
00:38:52.900 Ozzy Osbourne,
00:38:53.720 the direct connection
00:38:54.560 with the working class,
00:38:56.480 the areas that they came from.
00:38:58.460 But it also has to do
00:38:59.160 with the way they came up.
00:39:01.140 Hulk Hogan,
00:39:02.300 having to go through
00:39:03.360 independent wrestling circuits
00:39:05.440 and house shows
00:39:06.600 and a variety of different
00:39:09.180 personality types
00:39:10.880 and characters
00:39:11.560 before settling upon
00:39:12.880 the one that propelled him
00:39:14.700 to superstardom.
00:39:16.160 Ozzy Osbourne,
00:39:16.960 again,
00:39:17.280 Black Sabbath,
00:39:17.980 having to come up
00:39:18.720 the way that old rock bands
00:39:20.140 used to come up
00:39:20.780 through bars
00:39:22.240 and working these odd jobs
00:39:24.660 and working in a slaughterhouse
00:39:26.120 and Tony Iommi
00:39:27.120 getting his fingers cut off
00:39:28.660 in a sheet metal factory
00:39:29.720 and, you know,
00:39:30.900 Dusty Rhodes
00:39:31.480 talking about the hard times.
00:39:32.960 We're on with Roy,
00:39:33.520 Nationalist,
00:39:34.600 Dr. Charles Cornish Dale.
00:39:35.680 And, you know,
00:39:37.240 Egg,
00:39:37.640 I think about
00:39:39.220 what makes us
00:39:40.320 a quote-unquote
00:39:41.240 superstar today
00:39:42.340 and I don't want to rag
00:39:44.500 on Logan Paul,
00:39:45.440 but, you know,
00:39:46.140 with Logan Paul,
00:39:46.820 Jake Paul,
00:39:47.600 there's something
00:39:49.140 a bit different there
00:39:50.300 or a Justin Bieber
00:39:51.180 because, you know,
00:39:52.640 and I'll take my lumps too.
00:39:54.080 I use social media as well,
00:39:55.220 but it's like
00:39:55.620 they came up as YouTubers,
00:39:57.760 right?
00:39:58.200 You went on
00:39:59.460 and made some funny,
00:40:00.880 you know,
00:40:01.180 backyard videos
00:40:02.100 and YouTube liked your,
00:40:03.280 you know,
00:40:03.800 the algorithm liked you
00:40:04.940 and off you went.
00:40:06.200 That's, you know,
00:40:07.360 the hardest thing
00:40:07.880 you had to deal with
00:40:08.540 in all of that
00:40:09.040 was negative comments.
00:40:10.420 That's something
00:40:11.200 a little bit different
00:40:12.340 and when you aren't forged
00:40:13.640 by those same pressures,
00:40:15.500 then I think it just creates
00:40:16.940 a different type of figure
00:40:19.160 than the one that we saw
00:40:20.400 in the past
00:40:20.920 and I feel that
00:40:21.760 intrinsically
00:40:23.620 there's a way
00:40:24.660 that subconsciously
00:40:26.020 everyone can sort of
00:40:27.000 connect with that.
00:40:27.840 This is also,
00:40:28.580 by the way,
00:40:29.540 which to,
00:40:30.020 and to his credit,
00:40:30.680 by the way,
00:40:31.080 when Logan Paul
00:40:31.740 goes into wrestling,
00:40:33.560 he usually plays
00:40:34.560 a heel
00:40:35.560 or a villain
00:40:36.820 type character
00:40:37.740 and so the audience
00:40:38.400 loves to hate on him
00:40:39.260 and fair play for that
00:40:41.060 for sure
00:40:41.460 but this is why,
00:40:42.840 right?
00:40:43.040 Everyone realizes
00:40:43.940 that he came up
00:40:44.820 in a very produced,
00:40:47.140 managed sort of way.
00:40:49.760 Yeah,
00:40:50.240 well,
00:40:50.400 I think,
00:40:50.840 you know,
00:40:51.000 there's a saying,
00:40:51.740 isn't there?
00:40:52.180 Iron sharpens iron
00:40:53.620 and I think,
00:40:54.680 you know,
00:40:56.160 I mean,
00:40:56.400 can you imagine
00:40:57.240 what it must have been like
00:40:58.560 in the good old,
00:40:59.800 bad old days
00:41:00.460 of the 1970s?
00:41:01.720 You know,
00:41:02.040 you're Terry,
00:41:03.660 you're Terry Bollier
00:41:04.880 and you're just starting out
00:41:07.140 in wrestling.
00:41:08.440 You've decided to give up
00:41:09.760 a potential career in music
00:41:11.780 because you want to be a wrestler
00:41:12.980 because you're six foot eight,
00:41:14.020 300 pounds
00:41:15.380 and you've got the size
00:41:17.100 and the strength for it
00:41:18.140 but you have to start
00:41:19.760 from nowhere.
00:41:21.160 All you've got
00:41:22.200 is your size and strength
00:41:23.320 and it isn't that impressive
00:41:24.840 because there are a lot
00:41:25.440 of big guys
00:41:26.080 and there are a lot
00:41:26.580 of muscular guys
00:41:27.440 and so what do you do?
00:41:28.760 You've got to do
00:41:29.360 all of these regional shows,
00:41:31.560 hostile crowds,
00:41:34.320 people who don't like you,
00:41:35.800 who don't know who you are.
00:41:37.060 You have to tell them
00:41:38.120 who you are.
00:41:39.380 You have to tell them
00:41:40.200 why they should take you seriously,
00:41:42.120 why they should notice you,
00:41:43.380 why they should like you,
00:41:44.860 why they should want
00:41:45.540 to see you again
00:41:46.420 and that's,
00:41:48.220 you know,
00:41:48.460 I mean,
00:41:48.660 that's tough.
00:41:49.560 That requires grit.
00:41:50.820 That requires determination.
00:41:52.040 That requires sacrifice.
00:41:54.680 You know,
00:41:54.800 I mean,
00:41:55.060 these are,
00:41:55.860 we were talking about archetypes,
00:41:57.540 you know,
00:41:57.720 these are archetypal virtues.
00:41:59.520 These are the archetypal
00:42:00.840 elements of success
00:42:04.220 and yeah,
00:42:05.060 not to rag on.
00:42:06.000 And by the way,
00:42:06.820 an extreme willingness
00:42:08.200 to take risk,
00:42:09.800 extreme willingness
00:42:11.040 to take risk.
00:42:12.080 Yeah.
00:42:12.460 I mean,
00:42:12.860 this decision,
00:42:13.760 by the way,
00:42:14.480 destroyed himself physically,
00:42:16.720 absolutely destroyed himself
00:42:18.180 and he was more than willing
00:42:19.640 to do it every night.
00:42:21.800 Yeah.
00:42:22.300 Well,
00:42:22.460 look,
00:42:22.700 I mean,
00:42:22.920 it's easy to forget as well.
00:42:25.100 Wrestlers have died in the ring.
00:42:27.040 It wasn't that long ago.
00:42:28.240 It was what,
00:42:28.740 1999 when Owen Hart died?
00:42:32.440 You know,
00:42:33.120 that was on live television.
00:42:34.820 That was in front of a massive audience.
00:42:37.080 You know,
00:42:37.340 I mean,
00:42:37.560 these people have taken huge risks.
00:42:39.980 People like Carl Kogan
00:42:40.820 have taken huge risks
00:42:41.920 with their bodies
00:42:42.600 doing these,
00:42:43.640 you know,
00:42:43.780 I mean,
00:42:43.960 the leg drop
00:42:44.540 has basically destroyed his spine
00:42:46.600 but he did it.
00:42:48.520 He chose to do it.
00:42:49.480 It became his signature move
00:42:50.720 he had to keep doing it
00:42:52.160 and he did keep doing it
00:42:53.280 and he didn't grumble.
00:42:55.560 So there's,
00:42:56.200 yeah,
00:42:56.440 I mean,
00:42:56.620 I think that the kind of selection methods
00:42:58.960 that produced these superstars,
00:43:01.040 whether we're talking about
00:43:02.240 Ozzy Osbourne,
00:43:03.680 Tony Iommi,
00:43:04.560 or Hulk Hogan,
00:43:05.540 they were very,
00:43:06.460 very different.
00:43:07.720 They were much closer to the earth.
00:43:09.660 They were much closer to the people.
00:43:11.420 It involved going out
00:43:13.180 among the people,
00:43:15.320 whether you're wrestling
00:43:16.580 or whether you're playing gigs
00:43:19.340 and actually,
00:43:20.260 you know,
00:43:20.460 you have to connect
00:43:22.180 with the people.
00:43:23.540 You have to build a following
00:43:24.900 organically,
00:43:26.900 painstakingly,
00:43:28.020 over time
00:43:28.800 by going to different places
00:43:30.580 and showing yourself
00:43:31.900 and showing what you can do.
00:43:33.860 Whereas,
00:43:34.460 you know,
00:43:34.700 you get caught
00:43:35.440 by the algorithm today
00:43:36.660 on YouTube
00:43:38.220 or TikTok
00:43:38.880 and you can be a massive star
00:43:40.660 in no time
00:43:41.940 and it doesn't actually require
00:43:43.380 the dedication
00:43:45.540 or the sacrifice
00:43:46.720 or any of the kind of virtues
00:43:48.360 that it would require
00:43:49.340 to succeed otherwise,
00:43:50.720 which isn't to take away
00:43:52.140 from the success
00:43:52.900 of someone like Logan Paul.
00:43:54.360 He has been very canny.
00:43:56.440 He's monetized his fame very well.
00:43:59.180 You know,
00:43:59.480 he knows his audience.
00:44:01.120 He knows how to appeal to them.
00:44:02.880 But it is just
00:44:03.880 a very different thing.
00:44:05.400 And I think it is telling
00:44:06.740 if you look at something
00:44:08.200 like the WWE,
00:44:10.100 they haven't had a superstar
00:44:11.600 like Hulk Hogan,
00:44:14.640 The Rock,
00:44:15.320 Stone Cold Steve Austin
00:44:16.520 in 20-odd years, really.
00:44:18.600 And it's because
00:44:19.200 for the most part,
00:44:20.440 they've moved away,
00:44:21.460 I think,
00:44:21.920 from the kind of model
00:44:23.620 that they followed
00:44:24.740 so successfully
00:44:25.760 for decades and decades
00:44:27.160 for creating superstars,
00:44:29.380 for separating...
00:44:30.020 You know,
00:44:30.300 I was talking to...
00:44:31.820 I was talking to someone
00:44:33.700 about this
00:44:34.500 prior to the show here
00:44:36.560 and who has some background
00:44:38.640 in WWE
00:44:39.500 and I said,
00:44:40.660 you know,
00:44:40.960 I said,
00:44:41.420 you know,
00:44:41.720 the problem is
00:44:42.600 they keep adding
00:44:43.300 too many dimensions.
00:44:44.340 It's this post-modernist
00:44:46.440 where everything
00:44:47.200 has to be deconstructed
00:44:48.840 and someone needs
00:44:49.880 to be three-dimensional
00:44:51.460 and four-dimensional
00:44:52.940 and I said,
00:44:54.160 no,
00:44:54.420 one dimension.
00:44:55.500 You need one-dimensional
00:44:57.100 archetypal characters.
00:44:59.800 This is who Hulk Hogan is,
00:45:02.440 period,
00:45:02.880 full stop.
00:45:03.560 Go watch an episode
00:45:04.420 of G.I. Joe,
00:45:05.500 which, of course,
00:45:05.960 had Sergeant Slaughter in it,
00:45:07.140 right?
00:45:07.420 You know,
00:45:07.680 one-dimensional characters.
00:45:09.040 That's...
00:45:09.600 Someone's a villain.
00:45:10.700 When Hulk Hogan was good,
00:45:12.720 he was Hulk Hogan
00:45:13.920 and he loved the flag
00:45:14.980 and he trained,
00:45:16.000 prayed,
00:45:16.420 and ate his vitamins.
00:45:17.460 When he turned bad,
00:45:18.320 he was Hollywood Hogan.
00:45:19.480 He was pure evil,
00:45:20.940 right?
00:45:21.800 Just a bad dude
00:45:23.800 who hated on everyone
00:45:25.520 and he, you know,
00:45:26.540 turns heel,
00:45:27.360 has to fight the court.
00:45:28.240 Again,
00:45:28.640 it's very simple
00:45:30.180 and people overthink things,
00:45:32.640 they overcomplicate things,
00:45:33.900 they want to deconstruct things
00:45:35.620 because they've completely
00:45:37.300 lost touch with reality
00:45:39.440 and when you lose
00:45:40.460 that touch with reality
00:45:41.620 and the things
00:45:42.100 we're talking about
00:45:42.760 are absolutely applicable
00:45:44.860 to politics as well.
00:45:46.960 That's why Donald Trump
00:45:48.200 is successful
00:45:49.160 because he has the pulse
00:45:51.440 of the common man.
00:45:52.980 He has the pulse
00:45:53.960 of the average individual.
00:45:55.720 That's why he was able
00:45:56.740 to defeat,
00:45:57.440 by the way,
00:45:57.820 the two greatest
00:45:58.600 political dynasties,
00:46:00.220 the Clintons
00:46:01.200 and the Bushes.
00:46:02.500 Everyone thought
00:46:03.380 they would rule
00:46:03.980 and Trump easily
00:46:05.860 defeated them both
00:46:07.420 and that's all
00:46:08.580 it really takes.
00:46:10.120 And if you have
00:46:11.300 the right skills,
00:46:12.060 the right ability,
00:46:12.920 you form this connection
00:46:14.120 and the system,
00:46:16.140 and here's the key, right?
00:46:17.420 You still have to beat
00:46:18.500 the system
00:46:19.240 because the system
00:46:20.300 is set up
00:46:21.080 to prevent
00:46:22.220 anyone like that
00:46:23.480 or like a Donald Trump
00:46:24.780 or a Hulk Hogan
00:46:25.680 or an Ozzie, 1.00
00:46:26.700 et cetera,
00:46:27.320 from getting to
00:46:28.000 where they are.
00:46:29.760 Yeah,
00:46:30.480 absolutely true.
00:46:32.040 Absolutely.
00:46:32.380 Or wait,
00:46:33.060 I should add
00:46:34.620 a Sidney Sweeney.
00:46:37.780 Yeah,
00:46:38.220 well,
00:46:38.660 yeah,
00:46:39.020 quite.
00:46:39.560 I mean,
00:46:39.820 that's a whole
00:46:41.880 other story,
00:46:43.340 but it's a similar,
00:46:45.060 it's a similar,
00:46:46.660 you reach similar conclusions
00:46:48.120 when you look at that.
00:46:49.160 You know,
00:46:49.380 they don't,
00:46:50.380 we return to...
00:46:51.060 We're coming up
00:46:51.480 on our final end.
00:46:54.060 You know,
00:46:54.480 what should people look for
00:46:56.480 when you're out there,
00:46:57.840 you're wondering,
00:46:59.220 how can I do something
00:47:00.200 about this?
00:47:01.420 What can I do?
00:47:03.360 And I would say
00:47:04.000 just consider
00:47:04.780 the content you consume.
00:47:06.760 That's what I would
00:47:07.580 sum it up as.
00:47:10.240 Yeah,
00:47:10.760 I think so.
00:47:11.640 Yeah,
00:47:11.900 I think so.
00:47:12.560 I think that,
00:47:13.360 yeah,
00:47:14.280 the content you consume
00:47:15.440 matters.
00:47:16.020 We live in this
00:47:16.580 algorithmic age.
00:47:18.000 You are sending signals,
00:47:19.860 very important signals
00:47:21.340 by the content
00:47:22.120 you consume.
00:47:23.920 And actually,
00:47:24.460 you know,
00:47:24.960 it's the best way
00:47:27.020 to tell.
00:47:27.760 If you,
00:47:28.260 you know,
00:47:28.760 if you talk about
00:47:29.400 a company like WWE,
00:47:30.720 if you don't like
00:47:31.680 the WWE's content
00:47:32.840 anymore,
00:47:33.400 don't watch it.
00:47:34.220 You know,
00:47:34.400 if you want the WWE
00:47:35.460 to be more like
00:47:36.500 the WWF
00:47:37.940 when it was
00:47:38.360 the Attitude Era,
00:47:39.320 then maybe the best
00:47:41.060 way to do that
00:47:41.720 is not to watch
00:47:43.600 their current content.
00:47:45.600 But what we need
00:47:46.200 to do as well,
00:47:46.780 I think,
00:47:47.120 is we need to
00:47:47.900 encourage these companies
00:47:50.080 and also,
00:47:51.040 you know,
00:47:51.240 political parties.
00:47:52.320 We need to,
00:47:53.120 society more broadly,
00:47:54.680 employers,
00:47:55.360 to create pathways
00:47:57.060 for people like,
00:47:58.620 you know,
00:47:58.760 for real superstars
00:47:59.800 to succeed,
00:48:00.440 for real talent
00:48:01.340 to be recognized
00:48:02.340 and fostered
00:48:03.640 and to allow
00:48:04.700 these people
00:48:05.240 actually to ascend
00:48:06.440 to the heights
00:48:07.160 that they should ascend.
00:48:09.100 Sidney Sweeney
00:48:09.980 is proof.
00:48:10.760 They're still out there.
00:48:12.060 And by the way,
00:48:12.580 Sidney Sweeney,
00:48:13.320 who comes from
00:48:14.220 rural Northwest America.
00:48:17.620 Folks,
00:48:17.940 go follow him.
00:48:18.520 He is the raw egg
00:48:19.500 nationalist Baby Gravy 9.
00:48:21.180 You can find him
00:48:21.660 out everywhere.
00:48:22.420 Ladies and gentlemen,
00:48:23.020 as always,
00:48:23.580 you have my permission
00:48:24.620 to lay ashore.