Jack Posobiec is on assignment with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in Vermont to be with the family of a Border Patrol agent who was tragically killed on January 20th. Jack is also attending a crucial briefing on the northern border operations happening shortly. Meanwhile, Natalie G. Winters of The War Room is filling in for Jack for the next hour.
00:01:17.660But this is so awesome for Jack for this show.
00:01:20.180I want to read it straight from the press.
00:01:22.340Jack Posobiec is on assignment with Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem in Vermont to be with the family of the Border Patrol agent who was tragically killed on January 20th.
00:01:33.020POSA will also attend a crucial briefing on the northern border operations happening shortly.
00:01:38.740Hence why, like I said, you probably picked up on it by now, Natalie Winters sitting here filling in for none other than Jack Posobiec.
00:01:45.200But don't worry, you're still going to get your brother's Posobiec fix because we actually have the one and only Kevin Posobiec joining us down the line, I believe, outside of the Hart Senate Office Building,
00:01:55.960which is where the Kash Patel hearing you just saw a little bit of live footage from.
00:02:00.080And I'm sure you've already seen the clips coming out today.
00:02:02.580Coming in, I believe, like I said, from the Hart Senate Office Building is Kevin Posobiec, who's been there in person watching it.
00:02:08.380Kevin, if you could put us in the room for our viewers who aren't fortunate enough to be there,
00:02:12.540what is the energy like in terms of the crowd?
00:02:15.000And more importantly, how do you think the hearing has been going so far?
00:02:23.460Hey, Natalie, nice to see you up there again.
00:03:45.320Another one I was happy to see was Josh Hawley came out in force just asking, hey, are you going to continue to investigate Catholics for their extremist views here?
00:04:00.160Or are we going to go after, like, real terrorists and knock in their doors and the drug cartels and stop allowing all the fentanyl to come over the border?
00:04:10.820Like, what what charges have we seen any Catholics do, let alone any any any any also heralded religious freedom?
00:04:17.400I'm just curious, we've got about a minute and a half before we've got a cut to break.
00:04:20.820Obviously, we've heard time and time again all the sort of go to cliche attacks that they used against Cash Patel.
00:04:26.480Were there any sort of novel assertions, obviously absurd and false and smear campaigns?
00:04:31.800But were there any new attacks that they sort of unveiled today, exclusively saving them for the hearings today?
00:04:37.500Or was it just more same old, same old?
00:14:14.340He did it after the former president of the United States announced that he would be a candidate against his, Attorney General Garland's boss.
00:15:06.940Mr. Patel, our agencies, in particular the FBI and DOJ, critically rely on inspectors general and general counsels for advice.
00:15:17.760As Chair Grassley and many of us have long recognized, federal agencies rely on the independent oversight of inspectors general.
00:15:24.900And agencies depend on the legal advice of offices of general counsel.
00:15:28.040And as you've testified today, it's your intention to lead the FBI within the boundaries of law and the Constitution.
00:15:34.880Last week, President Trump fired more than a dozen inspectors general and provided no notice to Congress.
00:15:41.820We passed a law in 2022 requiring the president to provide Congress with a substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons, 30 days before the removal of NAIG.
00:15:53.680How many days has President Trump been in office?
00:16:08.720Did Trump violate, facially violate this law in terms of the timing of the firing of the inspectors general?
00:16:14.240Senator, I'm not going to entertain a hypothetical on legal violations, but I will look into all possible legal violations referred.
00:16:20.700I'll simply say that for those of us concerned about the quality and the duration of service of inspectors general, this was troubling.
00:16:29.420And frankly, I think it is a facial violation of a law passed by Congress.
00:16:33.380In September 2023, on the Great America Show, a podcast, you said, and I believe I'm quoting accurately, all these general counsel's offices throughout every agency and department need to be slashed in half because these lawyers just come in there and they come in there to slow down and paralyze the movement of the America First agenda.
00:16:53.280Mr. Patel, does that comment suggest that if confirmed, it would be your intention to fire the career civil servants, the lawyers in the FBI's general counsel office?
00:17:05.740Could you give us any reassurance that it would be your intention to listen to the advice and counsel of the inspector general of the department and the general counsel of the agency?
00:17:16.920Mr. Patel, addressing those in order, Senator, with IGs, as you know, I believe, and I've shown throughout this proceeding, that IGs have provided valuable service in Republican and Democratic administrations.
00:17:29.600And I think they're critical and we must have competent IGs going forward.
00:17:33.600Similarly, with general counsel's offices who are stocked with career employees, those employees must continue their work so long as no employee politicizes the work and mission of the FBI.
00:18:31.560Mr. Patel, in the first round of questioning, you and I talked about the politicization and weaponization of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:18:41.280That has significant negative consequences in terms of undermining trust in the FBI and the Department of Justice and abusing the power of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:18:51.500But it also has consequences in that it diverts resources at the FBI and DOJ from urgent law enforcement and national security priorities.
00:19:03.340I will tell you, when I go back home to Texas, I am somewhat regularly asked by Texans, should we abolish the FBI?
00:19:10.660Now, my answer to that is an emphatic no.
00:19:14.880The FBI has a critical mission of stopping bad guys, whether serial killers or human traffickers or child molesters or terrorists.
00:19:27.860But it says something that a sizable percentage of America has so lost faith in the Bureau that they believe it should be shut down.
00:19:39.360I think allowing the FBI to be politicized has resulted in far too little attention being placed on very serious national security risk.
00:19:52.120That while we may disagree on the meaning of Rule 6E as to getting the transcript, you would not object to this committee seeking access to that transcript.
00:20:05.920And you're aware that Rule 6E permits you to talk about your own testimony.
00:20:14.040Will you testify to this committee, let's say in a classified setting, as to what you said to the grand jury?
00:20:24.300Senator, I'm here to testify to this committee about everything I'm allowed to.
00:20:28.640You're allowed under Rule 6E to tell us what you said to the grand jury.
00:20:33.680This is kind of the first day that an assistant U.S. attorney goes to the first grand jury and is asked by a witness, can I talk about what I told you?
00:20:57.220You testified under a grant of immunity after taking the Fifth Amendment, as you're privileged to do, and the appearance here is that you have something to hide.
00:21:09.780I submit to my colleagues on the committee, we need to know what the grand jury testimony is.
00:22:15.560I think he's done a great job, but it's not up to me to decide who stays and goes at the Department of Justice.
00:22:20.420But I'm not asking you to make the decision.
00:22:22.720I'm asking you whether you will take a stand, speak up, stand up in favor of a watchdog who has helped preserve the integrity of the Department of Justice
00:22:33.880and aligned himself against waste and fraud and abuse.
00:22:38.500If the Attorney General asks me, yes, from my opinion.
00:22:48.100Mr. Patel, I want to continue on a brief topic I mentioned earlier and one that we discussed in my office when you came to visit in December.
00:22:55.680And that is Redstone Arsenal and the FBI assets and the men and women that will report to you when confirmed that are there in Huntsville, Alabama.
00:23:07.260So I really want you to come and visit with me.
00:23:11.220The state-of-the-art facilities that you have, that we have there, are pretty incredible.
00:23:16.340I mean, when you look across the board, we have the Ballistics Research Facility, the Hazardous Device School.
00:23:21.660We have TDAC, which is the Terrorist Explosive Device Analytics Center.
00:23:26.160And last but not least, obviously, what is sometimes referred to as Headquarters South.
00:23:32.840We have the sprawling north and south campus of the FBI.
00:23:37.800Look, there has been over $4 billion invested there.
00:23:41.220It is truly remarkable that the training that is going on there, they are delivering to missions when it comes to emerging technologies, investigating lead generation, security, and contracts personnel, and human resources, just to name a few.
00:23:58.760Fortunately, I don't have enough time in my three minutes to dive into all of the incredible work that's doing there.
00:24:03.880But I just want to reiterate that the workforce occupying these facilities, they were moved from D.C. to Huntsville.
00:24:12.100They are working diligently each and every day to make sure that men and women in uniform are the best trained, equipped, and ready that there is.
00:24:20.000And I would love a commitment from you just to come with me to visit those facilities, see what those men and women are doing, what they're learning, and all of the training that's right there at their fingertips.
00:24:30.740Senator, you have that commitment, and this is a great example, real quick, of the FBI's capabilities and infrastructure systems around the country that already exist to the tune of billions.
00:24:56.060And another thing, too, obviously, as we've looked over the last couple of years, I'll put on my appropriator hat, the budget, obviously, for the FBI has been decreased.
00:25:06.740Obviously, you're going to help us return America's trust in the FBI.
00:25:11.360But as we look at that and we try to make those numbers work, I just want on your radar, I want you to be thoughtful about this.
00:25:17.200You know, it's easy to say, let's cut training.
00:25:20.840I think that that's the worst thing that we can do.
00:25:22.860We want to make sure that our men and women are ready, that they're ready to find leads that lead to child trafficking rings and other things.
00:25:32.920And you've talked about the rapes, the fentanyl overdoses, the murders.
00:25:36.600We want to make sure that we are equipping them with all the tools necessary to-
00:25:41.480This is rhetoric that have been used against you.
00:25:48.100As a president of this sort of hateful language, I am deeply sympathetic.
00:25:54.440I also note, Mr. Patel, that in the past, you have recognized the value of diversity.
00:26:00.660Back when you were in law school, you signed on to an amicus brief in the Grither case, supporting consideration of race in law school admissions.
00:26:12.000I hope that joining the Trump administration will not cause you to change your views on the value of diversity.
00:26:22.140Reflecting on this hearing, it is sad that we are considering Mr. Patel's nomination, despite his gross inadequacy to do the job of FBI director fairly and objectively.
00:26:35.540Yet there is no question that much pressure has been brought to bear on my Republican colleagues to support this nomination.
00:26:46.680For example, a man named Mike Davis has been threatening my Republican colleagues.
00:26:52.180He said that this vote was a red line, that if Senate Republicans don't vote to confirm Mr. Patel, his organization, a group called the Article III Project, would make their lives and not based on this sort of pressure.
00:27:30.500Yeah, and I think you've stated that the best reflection and the most accurate version of your testimony is the transcript in the grand jury testimony that you're fine to be released, but the court has to go do that, right?
00:27:50.540I also want to, Senator Durbin's talked about, you know, what your priority or your priorities will be, and I think your testimony has been that it will be adherence to the Constitution and the people of the United States of America, right?
00:28:07.080Could you talk about maybe some other priorities?
00:28:09.920We talked initially in my first round about getting the FBI back to its core mission, which is to fight crime and not, you know, sort of try to do the things that it's been doing the last four years.
00:28:25.300Talk about how you might bring that together.
00:28:27.940So, Senator, I appreciate the questions.
00:28:30.220Something I wanted to address maybe six hours ago, so I appreciate the opportunity to do it now.
00:28:34.940Now, whether we prioritize going after violent crime and national security, we cannot defend against either of those successfully unless we go after the underlying criminal nexus there.
00:28:47.800And whether it's human trafficking, whether it's terrorism, whether it's opioids, and whether it's just outright gang violence, the intersection there is narco-trafficking.
00:28:56.560It is the underlying underbelly, the evil, illegal underbelly of all those operations.
00:29:02.640And we have not prioritized, in my opinion, as a law enforcement agency, the collective power we can rein down on criminal narco-trafficking networks.
00:29:13.780And ideally, if I'm confirmed, Senator, I would like to work with Attorney General Pam Bondi, if she could be confirmed, to set up Regional Drug Interdiction Task Force, where our local sheriff's offices, our local PDs, and our local precincts are folded in with the FBI on an information and authority-sharing basis to take down the criminal networks.
00:29:34.420And the advice and consent process has been extremely informative of this to me.
00:29:38.060I do not know your jurisdictions as well as you all ever will.
00:29:41.200That's what makes this so critically important educational.
00:29:44.220I did not know that Memphis was the homicide capital of America per capita.
00:29:48.000I did not know that there was a corridor in Ohio that speaks to the human trafficking volume more so than any intersection in the country.
00:29:54.640That is what I will rely on your expertise across the aisle to fold in those resources and target those criminal active hotbeds.
00:30:02.060And I believe if we are successful in actually crippling the narco-trafficking networks, we will see a decrease monumental in violent crime and at the same time protecting Americans' national security.
00:30:13.060And maybe, just maybe, where you have a third of the personnel for the FBI here in Washington, D.C., maybe, just maybe, one of the reforms is to get more of those folks out into those areas across the country to go do that, right?
00:30:43.180But we are joined for a special interview that I wanted to bring you guys with none other.
00:30:47.300I don't know how many times we get to have chefs here joining us on Real America's Voice, but Chef Andrew Gruul, I'm sure you've seen not just his wonderful food, but his great posts all over X.
00:30:57.120I feel like you go viral all the time.
00:31:00.700I know you wanted to talk about the RFK confirmation hearings, the Maha movement more broadly.
00:31:05.660I think you have an interesting perspective.
00:31:07.180Being a chef, working so intimately with food, obviously the food supply, I think, is one of the vectors that the Maha movement is kind of most, I would say, on offense about, whether it's the depleted minerals in the soil or just the weird, woke dietary guidelines and regulations that they're trying to push on us.
00:31:24.660I'm curious if you just want to kind of give the audience your perspective, your vantage point from the confirmation hearings that we've heard with respect to RFK Jr.
00:31:33.420Well, first and foremost, I'm absolutely shocked that there is so much pushback when it comes to RFK because I've been in this space now of kind of food systems and sustainability and obviously running restaurants for 10, 15 years.
00:31:48.840And it was 10 or 15 years ago when I started really talking about local food systems that the only support I actually got, funny enough, was from some of these kind of left-leaning hippies who were all about it.
00:31:59.220And now those same people are out there decrying RFK Jr.
00:32:05.540So it's all just political talking points.
00:32:07.580This is the most bipartisan confirmation I think I've seen in at least a decade.
00:32:12.200And yet, for some reason, it's controversial.
00:32:14.420All he's asking for is that we actually break up the consolidated food manufacturers who are running our entire food system, quite literally, also on the restaurant side of things,
00:32:25.000and allow a lot of these small and local farmers to access the supply chain and to get people to understand why it's important to eat healthier food.
00:32:33.100Get a lot of these chemicals, which, quite frankly, are more medicine-like than they are food-like, out of our food system.
00:32:39.020And that doesn't necessarily mean by, you know, unilateral decree or banning, but just the mere education will decrease the demand.
00:32:45.160I see it on the restaurant side because all we are forced through is all that's forced on us are all of these processed, chemically-laden foods
00:32:55.180in the form of rebates and subsidies that restaurateurs get up front, and then they have to buy through one of the three big distributors.
00:33:02.800And I've been fighting against that for years, which is why it's been, you know, somewhat of a grassroots movement on the chef's side of things.
00:33:10.840And, of course, all of these other chefs are now quiet about RFK because all of the propaganda has hit the airwaves.
00:33:17.140But he's just trying to get people good, healthy food and allow us as chefs and foodies to access that in a much easier manner.
00:33:25.660I'm also a father of four. I've got four kids.
00:33:27.940So this vaccine issue is also really important to me.
00:33:30.580We've moved our kids out of the public school system because we weren't going to subject them to the crazy litany of vaccines that are out there.
00:33:37.020I've already got one child who did have a vaccine injury, and we know exactly what it's like.
00:33:42.620But for us to just say, hey, maybe we should look at this and to have people call me a conspiracy theorist for asking questions is absurdity at its peak.
00:33:53.840So I'm really vested in this, obviously, but it's pretty simple.
00:33:58.320And if you think about it, it's very, very bipartisan, but it's just another example of the way in which the propaganda machine, in conjunction with big government and, of course, big media, comes together to try and brainwash Americans.
00:34:09.760Well, there's such an interesting bifurcation, I think, between food and medicine, where despite all these Democrat senators who look like they could use a walk or a workout,
00:34:18.080lecturing us about how they really, really care about health, they just don't like how RFK is going about it.
00:34:23.060But I think you hit the nail on the head how food and food systems and food supply chains are such a critical part of all of this.
00:34:29.800I'm curious, from your sort of insider experience, you know, I think most restauranteurs, chefs, in some capacity, are involved,
00:34:36.640whether it's the trade or industry associations that obviously don't represent consumers, don't represent families,
00:34:41.960don't represent the average American citizen, what do you think the pressure is right now on a lot of these senators to vote against him?
00:34:50.380What does sort of that whipping of votes, the pressure campaigns coming from big farmer, people like Mike Pence,
00:34:55.780who are getting a bunch of money to shill against RFK, in your sort of experience, what do you think that is looking like behind the scenes?
00:35:04.300Well, that's what I keep talking about. It's all about special interest money, right?
00:35:07.780So we see it on the restaurant side of things, because all these massive food manufacturers,
00:35:11.900they pump so much money into the supply chain through the massive distributors and then ultimately to the chefs to say,
00:35:17.420look, if you commit to buying this product and here's all the fake health benefits of it,
00:35:21.580we're going to give you $50,000 up front in the form of a rebate, which is really just them giving you the money,
00:35:26.680and then you pay double the amount back over a certain period of time.
00:35:29.320And they know that restauranteurs are strapped with cash because it's the most margin-tight industry.
00:35:34.040So they use that money to manipulate the chefs to try and control the consumer base to manage what they consider to be trends.
00:35:41.840And what I think is hilarious is that, let's use seed oils as an example,
00:35:45.000over the past three to four years, suddenly talking about seed oils is conspiratorial, right?
00:35:50.540It's a right-wing conspiracy to say that you don't want seed oils.
00:35:53.900And you actually now have left-wing influencers who know nothing about health going out there and saying,
00:35:59.440oh, yeah, I'm going to chug my canola oil or I'm going to, you know, there's nothing wrong with Coke.
00:37:02.260And you can extrapolate this also into fitness and so many other industries.
00:37:05.780And then that money talks and it goes right back up to the top and then it comes back out.
00:37:10.280And where you see it being distilled is on the distribution into kids' school foods, right?
00:37:18.080Subsidies and what they're being fed is disgusting and that's why kids are sick.
00:37:22.460And then when you see SNAP benefits, you see people getting food stamps and all they're getting is bags of Doritos and Coke and all this bad food.
00:37:28.820And I'm not saying we should ban any of that.
00:37:31.120I love a Diet Coke from time to time and I'll crush some Doritos.
00:37:33.920But if you're using taxpayer dollars, right, to support these big food manufacturers only to make people and especially kids sick, well, that's a broken system.
00:37:44.120I would much rather, if those dollars are going to be spent, I'd much rather see them spent to support small farmers, independent farmers who are producing good meat, regenerative agriculture,
00:37:53.520things that are actually perpetuating a much healthier ecosystem and encouraging the biodiversity of our ecosystem as opposed to ripping it apart with GMOs, just monocropping and subsidies that ruin our soil.
00:38:05.500It's the new, I guess, 2025 version of bread and circuses, except the circuses are a lot worse and who knows what's in the bread that they're trying to feed us.
00:38:15.960Chef Andrew Groll, I think you're the first chef I've interviewed, hopefully not the last time.
00:38:19.700I know you've got a wonderful book about making food, being in the kitchen, something that you can do with your wonderful family.
00:38:25.580Give us a little 30-second plug on that and how people can stay up to date with everything you're working on.
00:38:52.060It's a partnership with Brave Books, which is a wonderful company, publishing company as well, with good morals and good values.
00:38:58.780And that's what this cookbook is all about.
00:39:00.800Let's just get into the kitchen, knock down some of those barriers, and even just cooking more, one more time a week with your family will make a huge difference in everybody's life.
00:39:10.360Andrew, thank you so much for joining us.
00:39:12.160We'll have you back on soon, hopefully to celebrate the confirmation of none other than RFK Jr.
00:39:17.020And I want to pivot to another, I guess, angle of attack that people who certainly are opposing RFK Jr.
00:39:28.740love to go and try to destroy this country with.
00:39:31.640Usually when you're talking about, what, chance like death to America, you have to look overseas.
00:39:35.960But I guess in this case, you don't really have to look that far.
00:39:38.940I'm coming at you live from Washington, D.C.
00:39:40.720So I guess I probably could just, what, walk outside five feet and find some crazy, deranged, although now defunded, left-wing NGO-type group that wants to come and destroy this country, subvert President Trump's strong borders agenda.
00:39:53.600Also, they can, what, roll out George Soros and the World Economic Forum's master plan for open borders.
00:40:00.900To that point, we're going to get into how George Soros is actively helping criminal migrants avoid deportation.
00:40:06.320But before we get there, I want to walk you through with the American Civil Liberties Union, which you would think from the name, cares about you Americans or your civil liberties,
00:40:15.500but apparently the only thing they care about is ensuring the rights of criminal legal aliens to avoid deportation and stay in this country and kill you and your family, your children and your grandchildren.
00:40:26.880They put out a long memo, their new strategy, called the Firewall for Freedom.
00:40:31.640Apparently, that's a wall that they can get behind.
00:40:37.100It sounds a little bit like election denialism to me.
00:40:40.320The results of the 2024 election are clear.
00:40:42.680State governments must step forward to become the front line for freedom and defend their residents against the Trump administration's promised assaults on our rights.
00:40:53.120No, the 2024 election was actually a clear and historic mandate for President Donald J.
00:40:57.860Trump in favor of strong and secure borders.
00:41:08.040Because they say in this memo, which we can flash on screen to show you just how well and how elaborate these schemes are plotted out,
00:41:17.260that one of the things that they're now actively lobbying state and local officials to engage in is, quote,
00:41:22.320And yes, if you didn't pick up on that Barry lead, that means absolutely no collaboration.
00:41:48.140If you're a pedophile, a sex trafficker, a rapist, or a murderer, the American Civil Liberties Union does not want any police force on the ground to collaborate or to work with ICE.