Ellen Greenberg was found dead of multiple stab wounds in 2011. Her death was initially ruled a suicide, but her family and friends believe she was murdered. And yet, when Josh Shapiro was attorney general, he signed off on it as a suicide.
00:01:41.380There's no possible way Democrats could possibly believe they're going to fight to even a draw on the issue of immigration.
00:01:47.140I hope they run all their ads on immigration because it will remind the American people every time they turn on their television sets,
00:01:53.100what a complete and utter failure this has all been.
00:01:56.420If they were so proud of their record, why is she working so hard to erase all evidence from the Internet that she was in fact the voters are?
00:02:08.920And, you know, and he actually announced he's not going to support a Democrat because he can't because he respected me for what I did that day.
00:02:15.560And he's not doing what he did four years ago with $500 million.
00:02:19.580Illegal back and forth over the death investigation of Ellen Greenberg will now go to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
00:02:25.500The 28-year-old teacher was found dead inside her Maniunk apartment with 20 stab wounds in 2011.
00:02:32.540Her death was ruled a suicide, but her parents believe she was murdered.
00:02:36.660The AG's office, led by Josh Shapiro, has long insisted evidence proves the 27-year-old died by suicide.
00:02:43.420But the Greenbergs are convinced she was murdered, and they're currently suing the city's medical examiner with the hope of reopening the case.
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00:02:54.960In fact, Butler, Pennsylvania, today is August 2nd, 2024, Anno Domini.
00:03:00.520Folks, the receipt's hole on Josh Shapiro keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper.
00:03:08.100Yesterday, we covered a little bit, we'll get into more of it today, the case of Ellen Greenberg.
00:03:15.000The horrific, stabbing death that she received in 2011 just outside Maniunk, Pennsylvania, which is in the Philadelphia area.
00:03:25.680East Falls, where she was found stabbed 10 times in the front, 10 times in the back, including the back of her head, including her spinal column, twice, according to testimony from medical examiners, post-mortem.
00:03:39.880And yet, Josh Shapiro signed off on this being a suicide.
00:03:45.300Does it have to do with potential connections that her fiancé had to powerful members of the Pennsylvania legal community?
00:03:54.960Are they just some basic questions that we don't seem to have gotten answers to and that Josh Shapiro doesn't seem to want to give us answers to?
00:04:02.520Why is it, then, that the family of Ellen Greenberg has tried for 13 years to just get some semblance of an investigation going?
00:04:14.540And yet, when you go to Josh Shapiro's office, when he was the attorney general, Josh Shapiro would just tell you, oh, no, no, no, just a suicide.
00:04:23.620It seems like there's a lot to see here.
00:04:25.420But Josh Shapiro doesn't want you to see that.
00:04:28.180The same way that he doesn't want you to know about the sexual harassment going on in his own office that was perpetuated by one of his cabinet members, a guy by the name of Mike Vareb.
00:04:40.880Mike Vareb, a former Republican who decided to become a traitor and go and work for a Democrat governor.
00:04:48.260The same Mike Vareb from Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, that I used to see walking around blitzed drunk out of his mind in Walmart.
00:04:59.840So it doesn't surprise me at all that this absolute lush would take the same philandering behavior to the statehouse, to the cabinet when he decided to throw in with Josh Shapiro, stab his own party in the back, and then decide to go and commit sexual harassment the same way that he doesn't seem to have any loyalty to his own party, to his own ideals, or really anyone but himself.
00:05:30.440Couldn't happen to a better couple of guys.
00:05:32.940But very interestingly, Josh Shapiro, we're told, didn't even want to stand up for something like this, paid the hush money, tried to go after the victim in this case.
00:05:44.660Why does Josh Shapiro not care about female victims, whether it's the victim of 20 stab wounds in the front or the back, or it's the female victim of sexual harassment in his own office?
00:05:59.120Plus, we haven't even gotten into how Josh Shapiro signed off on the controlled burn in East Palestine.
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00:07:55.260Now, Benz, something that you might find a little bit interesting, and I'm not going to ask you because I know you haven't looked over all of the case files on this situation yet.
00:08:14.380Because in, like, the Philadelphia area, this has been sort of a true crime mystery cause that's been going on just on, like, local blogs and even local subreddits for a long time.
00:08:29.820Mainstream media has covered this many, many times.
00:08:32.500By the way, this isn't something that, like, you know, we're just coming up.
00:08:35.500But it's just – it's been a local story.
00:08:36.940So one of the big things in it, though, is the fact – and this is where I think you may know – you may have a little bit of background knowledge that – so it's labeled a suicide, which is very confusing given the – what we know about the body.
00:08:52.680Also, by the way, defensive wounds found on the body, bruising, and, again, stabbed 10 times in the front, 10 times in the back.
00:09:01.920The medical examiner says two of the stabs were after – were postmortem, so there's no hemorrhaging.
00:09:08.480What's interesting, though, is a lot of people have said, why was there no real investigation into the fiancé?
00:09:14.000And when they look into the fiancé, guess what – and this is where you're going to come in – he's connected to the mainline legal community.
00:09:22.060He's connected to all of those big families in that mainline lower Marion area, a lot of those same people that then gave donations to Josh Shapiro's candidacy and campaigned for attorney general, then later for governor, which, again, you know, we're not making any allegations.
00:09:41.900But we're saying isn't that interesting because of those ties.
00:09:45.340Talk to me just in general a little bit about what the mainline community is in the Philadelphia area and how much money and power is there.
00:09:55.800It happens to be very close to where I grew up, I'll say.
00:10:01.600It's one of the – it's a very well-to-do, politically-connected hub in suburban Philadelphia.
00:10:15.160It's where a lot of, I would say, the sort of deal-making for the politics, not just of Philadelphia, but also the wider East Coast often spawn out of.
00:10:25.960You have Gladwin, for example, which is sort of in the heart of it or very close proximity, which is one of the wealthiest suburbs in all of America.
00:10:36.520And you have this very intensive legal community there as well as DNC-connected.
00:10:42.940It's overwhelmingly Democrat, I should note.
00:10:45.400And so in the same way that you have places like Palo Alto or Cupertino in the Silicon Valley area or you have places like Bethesda in the D.C. area,
00:10:56.800a lot of the D.C. soup politics come out of the wealthy suburb area of Bethesda or, in some cases, in Arlington, but not really in the center of the city so much.
00:11:08.020And so it's a very similar situation with mainline Philadelphia being this big hub for what happens inside the city.
00:11:17.800I do find that very strange, by the way.
00:11:18.520Well, because they never want to actually live in the city that they've – because of the crime in the city that they preside over.
00:11:24.700And Larry Krasner, the D.A., who's there, by the way, good friends with Josh Shapiro, by the way, they don't actually want to live in the city that they've ruined, so they live outside the city.
00:11:32.800Oh, but they will talk in the most glorious platitudes about their own fealty to the ideals that they want to live nothing close to.
00:11:44.360I witnessed that up close and personal throughout my childhood is this – exactly what you just identified,
00:11:51.620which is planning policies that make a city unlivable on the basis of virtues that are held up sort of like ornaments of cloth,
00:12:02.600almost like four-star military generals adorn themselves in the regalia of all the wars they never were on the front lines of.
00:12:36.720But how does one – can you riddle me this?
00:12:39.080How does one stab oneself in the back ten times, and how does one do two of those stabbings after you're already dead?
00:12:47.020Is this like a chicken situation where they say that after you – you know, if you die, the head bubble – what is – how can you possibly call this a suicide with the graphic and details you just laid out?
00:12:59.440Yeah, this is like the worst – it's like the worst episode of CSI you've ever heard because, in reality, most murders or, you know, situations like this are not – you know, it's not like some big mystery.
00:13:15.060It's literally that the cops probably know exactly who it is.
00:13:19.460And by the way, not to name any names, but I've had a lot of people in the mainline community reach out to me about this case because the victim's family is also from the mainline.
00:13:29.420community, as well as Philadelphia police officers and members of Pennsylvania politics in general saying this is really the case.
00:13:36.820If you want to pull the cornerstone out of Josh Shapiro, the fact that he signed off on this – because here's what happened.
00:13:48.500The family retains a lawyer to represent their interests and says we are going to retain this guy because we believe that it's murder.
00:13:55.260The family has always maintained that it was a murder and they wanted to hire a personal lawyer to represent them.
00:14:00.860And they started making these petitions to the Philadelphia Police Department and to the Philadelphia DA's office to reinvestigate this case and to get it not even labeled – relabeled as a homicide.
00:14:12.860Because, by the way, the coroner originally did label it a homicide.
00:14:33.580Their lawyer – you're going to love this – their initial lawyer was Larry Krasner.
00:14:42.460So Larry Krasner, the guy before he becomes the George Soros-backed DA of Philadelphia, was the lawyer for the victim's family.
00:14:53.600So he becomes the DA of Philadelphia and then says, wait a minute, I can't represent this case anymore because I have an obvious conflict of interest here.
00:15:27.380Wait, so what is Shapiro's connection to the fiancé?
00:15:29.860Is it – do they – are they – I mean, is it just through the mainline network or is there –
00:15:35.720It's through these familial networks that he and the family go back, grew up together.
00:15:43.760There's a series of donations in some cases from certain family members to his various campaigns.
00:15:50.760And people have looked at this and said, well, wait a minute.
00:15:53.720Why is it that – it seems like Krasner had a conflict of interest and he at least had the wherewithal to pull out of the case because he had an obvious conflict of interest.
00:16:04.580He can't represent himself on both sides of a case.
00:16:08.220And even for a Soros DA, you know, he knows that no judge would ever allow this.
00:16:12.160But people are pointing out the fact that it seems that Shapiro himself may also have – and let's just say conflict of interest – to be fair, that at the very best, there appears to be a conflict of interest because of these familial connections to someone who may in fact be a leading suspect should anyone look into this case beyond suicide.
00:16:33.700Well, the pictures that you showed showed a vibrant, healthy, beautiful young woman, which is a very rare case of suicide, someone who seems to have everything in the world to look forward to and without any obvious signs of mental illness like, you know, being strewn with tattoos or looking drugged out or something like that.
00:16:57.860I mean this looks like the portrait of health and happiness.
00:17:11.180So she – I mean, look, the obvious example that comes to mind is the Hillary Clinton machine in Arkansas, the so-called phenomenon of Arkansas, where people close to the family or politics of Bill or Hillary Clinton – well, remember, Bill Clinton had a very similar trajectory to Josh Shapiro, attorney general, then governor, then aspiring president.
00:17:36.000And, you know, the state of Arkansas is strewn on nearly every street corner with suicide victims of people close to the affairs of the Clinton family.
00:17:47.660You know, I don't know that anybody knows someone who's got 65, you know, friends who suicided themselves under strange circumstances, including ones very similar to the post-mortem stabbings that are – you know, that you just articulated here.
00:18:03.000So, I mean, one of the things that immediately comes to mind is if there were these familial relations between the deceased and the fiancé and the Shapiro family or Shapiro network, it obviously raises the question, did she know something about malfeasance going on within that network that they wanted to have quiet?
00:18:24.660Right, or just something that, you know, that someone did, and perhaps they wanted to cover it up because of connections.
00:18:31.580Again, we don't know because they won't investigate.
00:18:34.000Quick break, right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.
00:18:36.540All right, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily, Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:18:55.460Folks, we've seen it time and time again.
00:18:57.540Somebody exposed the truth just to be labeled conspiracy theorist, but we know that they're actually realists, only proven to be right later on.
00:19:05.940Well, let me tell you something about the next thing you should be concerned about, government geotracking of your phone and other devices.
00:19:11.560We've seen the government use geodefencing to track the devices of individuals on January 6th, leading to unwarranted arrests without evidence of wrongdoing.
00:19:19.720Stop big tech and government overreach.
00:21:36.060I mean, obviously, there's the political one, which is the same reason that the media demands went out immediately not to glorify the picture of the shooting because it politically helped Trump.
00:21:48.660I think that a lot of people thought when Trump survived it, that that was basically a lock for his political victory because it's just too much and that even neutrals would be sort of brought over in a sympathetic cause.
00:22:03.740So you have the political aspect, but then you have the much more troubling one, which is the best way to take heat off an investigation is for it to slide out of national relevancy,
00:22:15.140which is the more that the news cycle is consumed by, you know, coconut emojis for Kamala or white dudes for Harris or whatever, or Trump at a black journalists.
00:22:27.420It becomes less about, wait a second, did the FBI and Secret Service deliberately allow to happen or potentially elements of it even organize an attempted assassination on the president of the United States in broad daylight?
00:22:45.140Where he literally gets shot in the face and just narrowly survives.
00:22:49.440And so, you know, we have these unanswered questions and in particular, I think we need to know the name of the agent who was supposed to be on the roof that day.
00:22:58.960And this is something that Jim Jordan, who is one of the most powerful people in Congress, he's the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, which has subpoena power.
00:23:07.100That's supposed to be oversight of the FBI and Justice Department.
00:23:09.960He held up an affidavit about a week and a half ago from a member of Secret Service who said that there were orders to be on the roof, but that there was a stand down allegedly because of heat.
00:23:21.860Well, who gave the stand down order not to be on the roof?
00:23:43.460I personally think that this tactic of saying the buck stops with the DHS secretary or the buck stops with the director of Secret Service is the perfect way to cover up a crime.
00:23:54.880Because then we never get to know the actual officers or agents who did the actual act of negligence or malfeasance.
00:24:02.620In this case, we say, you know, who testifies?
00:24:06.360Well, it's the head of DHS or it's or it's Kim Cheadle or it's Roe.
00:24:11.300But why are why is it not the agent who was supposed to be on the roof who's testifying or the or the members of the FBI SWAT team who had a line of sight to the roof and who also abandoned that right before the shooting happened?
00:24:23.980Because that will tell you the logistics of how this potential inside job could have happened.
00:24:30.320Well, I mean, let me let me throw something out there that I didn't actually understand until I went there myself.
00:24:38.620And it has not been propagated well that.
00:24:42.080So you've heard the story about the second floor was supposed to have these this sniper team in it, right?
00:25:00.920But the warehouse that he used lies in front of that building that has the second story on it and the windows of that second story building are directly overlooking the roof.
00:25:13.960So even if the roof was hot, even if the roof was of the lower building was was too hot for them to use, it wouldn't matter.
00:25:22.560They still should have been able to see him from inside because that two story building overlooks the roof where he was lying prone.
00:25:30.320So you would have seen him climbing up.
00:25:32.100You would have seen all of these things.
00:25:33.460Now, had he climbed up on the other building, then, yes, you wouldn't have seen him.
00:25:36.660But that's that's immaterial because he was lying directly in front of the windows where that sniper team should have seen him.
00:25:45.940So some of the questions that I have are what really caused that sniper team to leave their post.
00:25:53.080And we keep getting told back and forth they didn't leave their post.
00:26:42.300And when you look at the physical just geography, the physical geography of the layout there, none of their story, none of their excuses line up either.
00:26:50.740Right. Well, one of my concerns here is this could have been all done effectively in-house by HSI, Homeland Security Investigations.
00:27:00.800They played a huge role in January 6th.
00:27:02.900There's an individual named Jeremy Brown, who is a defendant in the January 6th affairs, sentenced to prison after he refused to be a federal informant for DHS's HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, which is this very unique cell.
00:27:19.780It sort of operates like the FBI does, but it's not attached to the Justice Department like the FBI is.
00:27:25.780And so it's allowed to be a much more rogue, free roaming cell.
00:27:29.220Now, my understanding is because of the NATO summit and Jill Biden's dalliances abroad, there was a greatly reduced proportion of Secret Service agents defending Trump that day.
00:27:40.880And they compensated with additional HSI agents.
00:27:44.160Now, we you can go on, you know, on Revolver News or you can go on X and you can actually listen to Jeremy Brown's 45 minute secretly recorded tape with HSI recruiting him to infiltrate Trump protests and the January 6th affair and threatening him with carrots and sticks.
00:28:00.340They're also involved in these undercover investigations and group chats.
00:28:05.280If you know, this was all thrown together very quickly.
00:28:07.620Right. I mean, the Butler rally was only announced seven days before it occurred.
00:28:11.320And we're told this in that time that person made three homemade explosive devices.
00:28:44.820They're in they're in social communications.
00:28:46.500Now, if an HSI agent was surprised of this and an HSI agent was supposed to be on the roof or was a part of that squad with a line of sight, I mean, it could have all been done in the house, so to speak, in a closed loop that where the Secret Service director doesn't know about it.
00:29:05.460The the DHS secretary doesn't know about it.
00:29:08.440The FBI director doesn't know about it.
00:29:10.620And it could all be sort of farmed in that closet, which is why we need the specific names of the agents.
00:29:15.760They love telling us the names of the agents.
00:29:17.820We know all about Harry Dunn and, you know, and how he saved the day on January 6th.
00:29:23.380They had no worries about, you know, his security by doxing and glorifying his his work there.
00:29:30.920Why do we not get to know when federal officers commit acts of gross negligence or potentially deliberate malfeasance?
00:29:38.820Because by knowing that community, that officers communications, that officers radio comms, their their text, what's on that person's cell phone?
00:29:48.340That would tell us essentially the the chain of of of command for who that person got orders to or what that person was apprised of.
00:29:59.120I mean, frankly, this this idea of throwing everything under the cloak of an ongoing investigation has to be cast aside when there's an investigation into the government agency itself.
00:30:09.220And then real quick, we're heading to break, but we're hearing also from Senator Hawley's office, as well as Senator Marshall's office, Senator Johnson's office that we're all in contact with.
00:30:19.280And we've had members of them on the show that they're also being stonewalled.
00:30:24.580These are United States senators that are being prevented from receiving this information.
00:30:29.240And we're even told now that the FBI or the Secret Service acting officers out there saying that they didn't receive any word that the shooter had a rifle until he opened fire.
00:30:38.920Despite the fact that we know local law enforcement were calling long gun, long gun, they had a gunman on the loose for at least 30 seconds, possibly even 30 minutes prior to him opening fire.
00:30:52.720A mad gunman on the loose and the Secret Service didn't even know.
00:30:56.760We can't get any information as to what the chain of command was or what's going on.
00:31:01.380Right back. Quick break. Human Events Daily.
00:32:32.700Now, by the way, breaking news just coming across the wire, not related to this, but important, Judge Chutkin's order denying presidential immunity in the Trump J6 case has been officially vacated after the Supreme Court's ruling in the immunity case.
00:32:49.880So, obviously, this is something that we knew would be happening.
00:32:52.940It's, you know, sort of performa since the case came through.
00:32:55.120But, again, just another example of the amount of times that the regime has tried to take out Trump and has failed.
00:33:02.500And so, Mike Benz, this is something that was really my thesis for when I was on Tucker was that, look, you know, the regime is what Trump is really up against.
00:33:20.020And once you adopt that filter, you can actually understand things and not only analyze things properly but also predict what will come next.
00:33:27.520So, from the regime lens perspective, you would say, OK, well, the first thing that's going to happen is they'll try to take him off the ballot through lawfare.
00:33:52.320The next thing you might predict is an assassination attempt.
00:33:55.220You see an assassination attempt come up.
00:33:57.820Then finally they would say, all right, well, if even taking a bullet, you know, shooting a bullet at this guy doesn't work, he's apparently not stopped by bullets, you might say, all right, we're going to change our candidate out and try to run a completely separate new candidate against him.
00:34:13.520And going back to this, we keep seeing again and again not only the refusal of Secret Service to meet with the local police and maintain basic radio communications, just comms.
00:34:26.240By the way, this was an issue on 9-11 when the, I think it was the FDNY didn't have good comms with the Port Authority and the NYPD.
00:34:35.860And I think 100 firefighters were in the second tower when it collapsed that didn't even know yet that the first tower had collapsed because they just weren't on the right frequency.
00:34:45.760And so this has been a huge issue interoperability.
00:34:48.140This is the kind of thing, by the way, that would normally be discussed and, you know, talking to someone that's worked military operations and trainings, that you have a tactical operations center, you would work through a communications plan, you would make sure that a team lead or someone would always have what you call an emergency line open.
00:35:05.200The emergency line would always be there.
00:35:22.660So we see time and again, the drone didn't work.
00:35:26.720They refused the drone from local law enforcement.
00:35:28.640We're told, by the way, that the regular casing officers from the Secret Service were denied for this event and that the order for that came from the current acting director of Secret Service back when he was the previous director who had conducted the site surveys.
00:35:44.160I mean, Ben, when the president comes to an event, you know, they're like welding manhole covers down, right?
00:35:50.020This is not, you know, something that's usually done in such a haphazard way.
00:35:53.680Why was it that it seems that this event was turned into such an obvious security nightmare to allow Donald Trump to walk onto a stage when you've already gotten the call over the tactical net that there's a man with a long gun?
00:36:08.440Well, this begs the question of what the FBI or DHS knew in advance about this shooter who's got this very strange history.
00:36:18.780We were told that classmates said that he had previously threatened to shoot up a school.
00:36:23.040That's the sort of thing that usually gets someone on a Fed radar.
00:36:26.540The person made three homemade explosive devices.
00:36:29.520If you try to do a Google search for how to make a pipe bomb at home, you will immediately end up in an FBI dragnet.
00:36:35.460The only other way to learn how to do that is through military friends, which will also get you in an FBI dragnet.
00:36:41.940We know that the FBI loves teaching people how to make homemade explosive devices because this is literally what they did in the Gretchen Whitmer Fed napping case,
00:36:50.880which, if you recall, also had the added spice of being an attempted assassination of Gretchen Whitmer.
00:36:58.320We were told that once she was kidnapped, they were planning about possibly decapitating her or something.
00:37:03.760And you remember the way they nabbed them was the FBI sent people into that into their group chats and into their meetings and sold them pipe bomb making parts.
00:37:14.160And he actually went to trainings with them on grounds to teach them how to construct pipe bombs.
00:37:20.020And lo and behold, this shooter has the exact same profile, deranged loner, the exact same alleged crime that is with making these homemade explosives,
00:37:31.560and even the exact same alleged plot with an attempted assassination.
00:37:35.700So what would it have taken for this to have been an inside job as that term is kicking around?
00:37:41.760It would have taken foreknowledge, either by the FBI or DHS, the Secret Service is under DHS,
00:37:50.260of this individual planning to do what he did in the way that he did it,
00:37:56.380that is, going to the roof at that time in order to take a shot at the president.
00:38:01.240And someone within the FBI or within DHS would have then had to have communicated with DHS's Secret Service
00:38:08.260to say, stand down at this time, at this aspect of the perimeter, i.e. the roof.
00:40:37.920And, look, I'm not going to tell any of those families what they should or shouldn't do.
00:40:42.880But if those cases do end up going to discovery and we do potentially start having to get the text messages out and the names out and the labeling out and the emails, not just, by the way, from the event itself, but prior to the event, after the event, that might be one of the only ways we can get it out.
00:41:02.400And, by the way, someone else who's got a claim to that, as well, is Donald J. Trump himself, who was also a victim of government negligence here and probably has a civil claim.
00:41:35.760Mike, talk to me about some other times where there have been instances such as this where there have been horrific events that have taken place in the United States.
00:41:46.300And only later, in some cases years later, do we find that it turns out that our federal agencies knew a little bit more than they let on at the time.
00:41:55.900Well, one of the most extraordinary cases of this, and I'm so glad you brought this up in our last segment, the potential to bring a wrongful death lawsuit against the FBI or against Secret Service by the families of the shooting victims in this case,
00:42:12.200is that there was a similar situation almost 30 years ago in 1995 with the event that made the career of one Merrick Garland, and that was the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
00:42:27.380Now, there was a strange side plot to the OKC event, which was the strange murder of a guy named Kenneth Trenadue, who was effectively mistaken for the John Doe No. 2 as that person.
00:42:46.380There was a nationwide manhunt for the accomplice to Timothy McVeigh, and Trenadue was murdered in federal custody in a brutal, savage way.
00:42:58.660And his brother happened to be an ace attorney and take up the case and and filed a wrongful death lawsuit against against the FBI.
00:43:08.640I believe he won something like a one like a million dollar settlement or something to that effect.
00:43:13.300But then he then used those settlement funds to continue a deeper investigation into the event itself, which turned over probably more documents about the actual hair on on the Oklahoma City bombing than any other journalist in the country, than any congressional committee in the country.
00:43:33.740And many members of Congress actually supported him in this investigation and what it turned up.
00:43:39.680It turned out that the Central Intelligence Agency actually had a satellite over Elohim City, the place where where Timothy McVeigh was making the explosives, allegedly.
00:43:53.020But and then Trenadue filed a lawsuit to get the documents from the CIA and the and the satellite footage in a district court ended up saying that it couldn't be turned over for national security reasons.
00:44:07.840Trenadue actually was able to use that wrongful death lawsuit to to get the FBI to force them to turn over videotapes, which were otherwise not being disclosed to the public of the actual bombing event.
00:44:20.260But then when the FBI was ordered by the court to turn it over, they claimed that all 20 some videotapes simultaneously got corrupted.
00:44:28.540But that at least forced the official lie to be put in print, which is that it may be the case if this were an inside job in this situation, that the FBI and Secret Service have already purged all the phones.
00:44:41.640They've already said they didn't capture the radio communications, but force them to say that to a court, force them to to hold the laughingstock of it.
00:44:50.260That the dog ate their homework every single time.
00:44:54.260And because that's the sort of thing that while they have wiggle room and as you said, they can say, well, we do, we don't.
00:45:02.240They can change their story to fit whatever the trending narrative is.
00:45:06.360But these sorts of lawsuits actually force the constellation of facts to be ingrained in the sky.
00:45:15.080And when it's all seen clearly from a distance, everyone can see it for what it is.
00:45:19.900So I think the wrongful death lawsuit is a very powerful course of action here.
00:45:22.700Right. And of course, you know, that's that's up to the families.
00:45:26.760And, you know, we leave that to them and to their best judgment.
00:45:30.100But, you know, I think for a lot of people, if you want to know what really happened that day, if you want to dig in and if you're the type of person that wants to actually get to the truth.
00:45:38.780We've seen this, by the way, with the 9-11 family is getting the 28 pages redact unredacted, I should say, releasing the information about the involvement of the Saudi state at the time in 2001.
00:45:49.640And also, by the way, not with the wrongful death suit, but this was something that we just got a few minutes to the break.
00:45:55.000But, you know, we you and I both spoken about this, but the Garland, Texas shooting, that it wasn't until years later and a third prosecution was attempted that we that it later found out.
00:46:06.020One of the lawyers in the case was digging through discovery and suddenly finds that there was an FBI handler associated with the case who was actually in the car behind the ISIS inspired shooters during the shooting, took the initial photograph of them, fled the scene and was detained by police officers before being released.
00:46:28.020They covered that up for years until this lawyer defending a another potential defendant in the case actually dug this all out.
00:46:40.160And not only did they have an FBI agent trailing the shooter on his way to the shooting, but they had an FBI informant paid over $100,000 who had been secretly becoming the shooter's best friend months before the shooting and telling him to, quote, tear up Texas to go through with the shooting.
00:46:57.760So the FBI had advanced knowledge of the whole thing, but covered it up for three years because they were because the president of the United States at that time, Barack Obama, was trying to use the shooting as a reason to justify Pentagon boots on the ground in Syria.
00:47:21.180They were the ones who created the plot.
00:47:23.900By the way, the third one I'll throw out just since we're on it, that we are third and fourth, that we know FBI informants were had ties to the Pulse nightclub shooting because Omar Bateen's father had had been an FBI informant.
00:47:38.300And also we know that FBI informants had spoken to and had been in part of the network involved with the Tsarnaev brothers, the Boston bombers.
00:47:47.220And there's still, by the way, a lot of questions out there, and Michelle McPhee has written a lot of fantastic Newsweek pieces on this and fantastic books about this, that who exactly constructed those pressure cooker explosives at the Boston Marathon that these were –
00:48:03.220you know, if you believe that ridiculous story that they just read some Al-Kaida magazine and then were able to construct bombs that killed many people and blew limbs off.
00:48:15.260You know, this is just – I'm laughing because this is a ridiculous story that they told the public.
00:48:18.800These guys flying back and forth from Dagestan, Russia, with passports that were out of date and in some cases expired and one case didn't even have a passport at all.
00:48:28.480So many ties directly back to what the FBI was doing during that period.
00:48:33.420And what do we know the FBI is focused on now?