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00:00:49.600 Christ is in. 0.90

00:00:50.600 So we're taking a look and it looks like it's about 3.1 billion.

00:00:55.120 It went up a little bit, or a lot.

00:00:57.020 So the 2.7 is now 3.1.

00:01:01.200 I'm not aware of that.

00:01:02.360 Yeah, it just came out.

00:01:04.300 Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody in the Fed.

00:01:07.840 Yeah, it just came out.

00:01:12.280 Aren't those at about 3.1 as well?

00:01:14.620 3.1, 3.2.

00:01:16.200 It just came from us?

00:01:17.460 Yes.

00:01:18.660 I don't know who does that.

00:01:19.700 You're including the Martin renovation.

00:01:23.880 You just added in a third building, is what that is.

00:01:28.340 That's a third building.

00:01:29.220 Well, no, but it's a building that's being built.

00:01:31.440 Pensions rising between Thailand and Cambodia, with deadly clashes breaking out along the country's disputed border.

00:01:37.960 And a warning that some of you may find these images that we are about to show you disturbing.

00:01:43.580 Fighting erupted early in the morning near an ancient temple.

00:01:46.180 Both sides have accused the other of firing first.

00:01:48.980 Hours later, Thailand's military said it deployed fighter jets to target Cambodian military targets.

00:01:53.960 A legal blow for President Trump, as a federal appeals court found that his efforts to end birthright citizenship are unconstitutional.

00:02:03.160 The three-judge panel ruled 2-1 that Trump's executive order banning birthright citizenship violates the Constitution's 14th Amendment.

00:02:12.200 It grants citizenship to all people born or naturalized in the U.S.

00:02:16.320 The president is looking to use the ban to deny automatic citizenship to the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants.

00:02:24.720 Many of our largest tech companies have reaped the blessings of American freedom while building their factories in China, hiring workers in India and slashing profits in Ireland.

00:02:35.920 You know that?

00:02:37.160 All the while dismissing and even censoring their fellow citizens right here at home.

00:02:42.860 Under President Trump, those days are over.

00:02:45.380 We need U.S. technology companies to be all in for America.

00:02:50.260 We want you to put America first.

00:02:52.080 You have to do that.

00:02:52.980 That's all we ask.

00:02:54.340 Todd Blanche is a great gentleman.

00:02:56.460 He's a great man.

00:02:58.280 He's a great lawyer.

00:02:59.060 He's got a great heart.

00:03:00.580 But he's over there now.

00:03:01.780 I don't know exactly what's happening.

00:03:03.700 But I certainly can't talk about pardons.

00:03:05.760 Can you trust what she's telling him?

00:03:08.080 She's a convicted trafficker who's eager to get out of prison. 1.00

00:03:10.620 Well, you know, he's a professional lawyer.

00:03:12.220 I think he's been through things like this before.

00:03:15.380 But, you know, you should focus on Clinton.

00:03:18.340 You should focus on the president of Harvard, the former president of Harvard.

00:03:23.280 You should focus on some of the hedge fund guys.

00:03:26.040 I'll give you a list.

00:03:27.200 These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:03:29.500 I sure as hell didn't.

00:03:31.080 Thank you very much.

00:03:31.800 All right, Jack.

00:03:35.360 So we are live human events daily, Washington, D.C.

00:03:38.880 Today is July 25th, 2025.

00:03:41.760 And, oh, Domini, folks, President Trump there on the lawn of the White House.

00:03:48.180 And he's giving this speech and answering these questions regarding Jeffrey Epstein, the list,

00:03:53.680 the Epstein list itself.

00:03:54.960 President Trump saying that he could give the list.

00:03:58.040 I certainly hope that he does.

00:03:59.200 I absolutely agree with President Trump on this.

00:04:02.640 He says, let's talk about the island.

00:04:04.260 I also couldn't agree more.

00:04:06.140 We want to talk about that island.

00:04:07.640 We want more on this island.

00:04:08.900 We want more on the specifics of where the island, what was going on on the island, who

00:04:15.720 was there on the island.

00:04:16.560 We need an absolute meticulous piece of information and investigation going through this.

00:04:20.820 Todd Blanche going down.

00:04:21.760 And President Trump asked the same question that I was talking about with General Flynn

00:04:26.460 yesterday.

00:04:27.240 How do you corroborate something that a prisoner tells you?

00:04:31.500 Well, maybe you want to talk to someone who served at Guantanamo Bay and worked in interrogations

00:04:36.280 down there.

00:04:36.740 Hi.

00:04:37.180 So the way that works is what you do is it's called corroboration.

00:04:42.460 You have to have the corroborating documents.

00:04:44.980 And what she's holding there, in prison, in federal prison, they call this your lawyer

00:04:49.420 box, your evidence box.

00:04:51.220 That is taken with you with your lawyer.

00:04:53.420 It's information regarding your case.

00:04:55.120 Each prisoner is allowed to have that.

00:04:57.060 They then bring it to when they meet with their lawyer.

00:04:59.380 In this case, they're meeting with their lawyer and an official from the government.

00:05:02.680 So obviously the federal government, the deputy attorney general, the meeting,

00:05:07.180 it took place yesterday, the media took place today.

00:05:09.240 But going back to what was said, how can you trust what she says?

00:05:12.520 You shouldn't.

00:05:13.320 You shouldn't trust anything that anyone just says without following up and conducting further

00:05:20.300 corroboration.

00:05:21.060 It's so simple as that.

00:05:22.400 That's what we did at Guantanamo Bay.

00:05:24.640 That's a huge part of what our work was down there.

00:05:27.340 You can't just take something that someone says and turn it into and say, oh, there it

00:05:31.400 is.

00:05:31.620 No.

00:05:31.960 What you would do is you would then go and you would corroborate.

00:05:35.440 You would say, all right, well, this person says they were over here on this time.

00:05:39.220 Can you track their cell phone?

00:05:40.500 Do they have any corroborating evidence?

00:05:42.100 Can you see if it was there?

00:05:43.060 You use the power of the federal government.

00:05:45.560 You use the investigatory powers that are to you and you go through with that.

00:05:49.740 Maybe she says something that corroborates something that one of the victims says.

00:05:53.840 You go and check that out there.

00:05:54.940 Can you get further witnesses?

00:05:56.320 Can you get other people that provide corroborating testimony?

00:06:00.920 Again, these are time-honored traditions in our legal system.

00:06:06.040 And just having a little bit of the background that I did at Guantanamo Bay, I could tell

00:06:09.880 you that's what we did every single day of the week.

00:06:13.640 And of course, at my level, we weren't the ones that were saying, yes, sir, this is 100%

00:06:18.720 true, but we would put together our investigation and that would get briefed up the chain.

00:06:22.700 That's exactly how it works here.

00:06:25.160 I even had the opportunity to brief White House officials when I was at Guantanamo Bay

00:06:31.080 regarding some of the investigative packages that I put together, as well as members of

00:06:36.440 the United States Senate, one of which, of course, being John McCain.

00:06:38.700 I've told the story many times.

00:06:40.780 So what we're seeing here, what we're seeing here is a situation where you have someone

00:06:45.620 who has a motive, but you also have the leverage that President Trump has talking about this.

00:06:51.480 I know MSNBC was saying, oh, oh, Jack Posobiec's calling for a party.

00:06:54.920 I've never called for a pardon.

00:06:56.180 What I said was, you have to understand her motivations and you have to understand what

00:07:02.220 she wants, what potential leverage or information she has, and the leverage, motivations, and

00:07:09.740 interests, not just of the presidency and the White House, but the American people, okay?

00:07:15.120 Pedophiles and pedophile enablers belong behind bars, and there's no question about that.

00:07:21.340 Dr. Soba, quick break, right back. 0.79

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00:07:40.840 All right, Jack Posobiec, here we are back, live Human Events daily, Washington, D.C.

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00:09:20.260 Very excited for our next guest because as we talk about history a lot here and we talk

00:09:25.880 about the situation, we talk about the deep state, we talk about the FBI and so many things.

00:09:30.720 One of the stories that we talk about every once in a while, it comes up, but we never

00:09:34.860 really have chance or take the time to step back and say, you know what, what's a good

00:09:39.240 deep dive on this story?

00:09:40.480 And that is that story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:09:45.700 Well, I'm excited to announce that we've got an author joining us now who's written an entire

00:09:51.660 book about it.

00:09:52.600 This is going to be your, if you're a fan of this show, I know you like serious investigative

00:09:57.900 reports.

00:09:58.880 This is your next summer read.

00:10:00.380 It's called Blowback, the untold story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:10:06.080 We have the author, Margaret Roberts, joining us now.

00:10:08.260 Margaret, how are you?

00:10:08.980 Great to be with you, Jack.

00:10:11.740 Thank you.

00:10:13.560 So tell me, what drove you to write this book and why put it out now?

00:10:19.680 Well, I was, it was a calling originally from a victim, a survivor of the bombing, but

00:10:29.020 I had been the news director of America's Most Wanted until about three years before the

00:10:37.440 bombing.

00:10:37.760 So I lived and breathed manhunt stories, Jack.

00:10:41.520 And while I had moved on to Los Angeles on April 19, 1995, when that bomb went off, I was

00:10:50.460 in Los Angeles.

00:10:52.120 And like millions of other Americans, I witnessed very quickly on live television, the apocalypse,

00:11:00.240 the destruction, the injury, the horror of that moment.

00:11:05.500 And it, so I had two perspectives.

00:11:09.660 One, just like everyone else, just horrified and wondering who could have done this.

00:11:16.560 But the other was I had lived and breathed manhunts for three years at America's Most Wanted, working

00:11:24.680 hand in glove with the FBI, closer than a journalist would ever probably get.

00:11:31.500 So I looked at the early reporting on the bombing as a manhunt story and felt even a little bit like, oh, I wish I could be

00:11:44.200 back in the newsroom and tap my best sources and find out what was going on here.

00:11:50.040 Because as you remember, or, or know, some of us remember, others learned.

00:11:57.660 I remember, I remember, I remember, by the way, was a huge fan, even, even as, as a youngster,

00:12:03.620 huge fan of America's Most Wanted, definitely something that I would say led me on the path

00:12:09.360 to becoming an intelligence officer in, in, in my own life, because I've, I've just always

00:12:14.500 been interested in these things.

00:12:16.460 Oh, that's so great to know.

00:12:18.700 I, you know, not too many television shows last for 20 years.

00:12:23.220 And so you can imagine in my path going forward, I have met so many people who were touched by

00:12:30.640 that, you know, by that program and John Walsh and his work is, it just, it abides to this day.

00:12:41.440 It was a manhunt story and that in particularly to your interest in intelligence, Jack, it's,

00:12:50.520 it was incredible that it was a manhunt story that quickly melted.

00:12:55.740 But if you go back to April 19, the eyewitnesses, 24 of them, just ordinary people in Oklahoma

00:13:04.820 City who saw the bombing run or moments of it.

00:13:09.140 They saw two men in the rider truck, Timothy McVeigh and his never identified accomplice known

00:13:18.380 only as John Doe too, 24 eyewitnesses.

00:13:23.360 And they described him as stocky, muscular, well-built.

00:13:30.340 That is the big clue to one of the biggest, greatest American, you know, crime mysteries,

00:13:40.380 who was John Doe too.

00:13:44.180 And that leaves, I don't get to answer your question, how I got into it.

00:13:51.340 Mostly that sat in my head.

00:13:53.340 I was producing other television shows.

00:13:56.320 But 10 years later, I did get a call from a survivor who knew I was prowling around like

00:14:04.020 you.

00:14:04.360 It was a story.

00:14:05.760 It keeps coming up because anybody who looked at the story knew there were so many loose

00:14:13.120 ends.

00:14:14.040 I mean, just to mention a couple more that, that told the tale that we were not receiving

00:14:21.860 the truth about that story.

00:14:25.020 Quickly, top journalists were reporting that the FBI had collected surveillance videotape

00:14:34.480 of the bombing run of McVeigh and John Doe too, getting out of the truck and even the building

00:14:43.100 exploding.

00:14:43.920 And when you consider that this is the biggest, it remains to this day, the deadliest domestic

00:14:53.600 terror attack on American soil.

00:14:56.500 It's amazing that the American public was never allowed to see those videotapes.

00:15:03.540 And lastly, as evidence that the story was not being told, a grand juror inside the McVeigh

00:15:16.640 grand jury was so disturbed by what was going on that he went rogue and began leaking to the

00:15:25.260 Daily Oklahoman.

00:15:26.320 After the indictments came down, he wrote a long letter to the judge and said the federal

00:15:35.420 prosecutors running that grand jury were rigging the jury and in particular, hiding the identity

00:15:42.920 of John Doe too.

00:15:44.420 So that was all, that all stayed with me.

00:15:49.140 And 10 years later, when I learned, doing a little prowl around research the way we do

00:15:58.320 on anniversaries, this year is the 30th, but that was the 10th, I was stunned to discover

00:16:06.680 that the FBI, after all the prosecutions were over, after there was no reason to keep secrets,

00:16:14.420 the FBI had still never allowed the American public to see that videotape.

00:16:21.220 And that told me there's a story here.

00:16:24.900 So when I got the call from a survivor, a grandmother who had lost two babies in that blast, she just,

00:16:35.440 she didn't even really identify herself.

00:16:37.920 She just said, we need your help out here.

00:16:40.700 And I, you know, the way you're sometimes called to a story.

00:16:45.900 Just in the few minutes that we have left with you.

00:16:48.320 I got on a plane and went to Oklahoma City.

00:16:50.160 Are you, are you able to tell us just in a few minutes, and this is definitely a teaser.

00:16:54.460 So for the book, I want people to get it.

00:16:56.580 I get it.

00:16:57.060 It's, the book is called Blowback.

00:16:59.280 And it's, it's really the untold story of the Oklahoma City bombing and the FBI.

00:17:03.940 What tidbits are you able to, to leave us with before you have to run?

00:17:08.200 You bet.

00:17:09.480 Um, I'm the only journalist to connect back to what you were talking about, Jalen Maxwell.

00:17:15.380 I interviewed Terry Nichols in Supermax prison in Colorado and Terry Nichols, his claim was

00:17:26.640 that Timothy McVeigh had let slip that he operated in the bomb plot, not as a terrorist, but as

00:17:38.380 an undercover government operative, obviously something that needs to be corroborated, as

00:17:44.200 you were pointing out before, but there is some, some outside corroboration.

00:17:50.200 Um, McVeigh told his original attorneys, the public defenders who quickly exited the case,

00:17:56.380 the same story.

00:17:57.560 And he wrote a letter to his sister, uh, telling the same story.

00:18:02.280 The, the, the other major cutting edge of my investigation is that an FBI whistleblower

00:18:10.940 came out of the shadows in 2011 to tell my main source in this, uh, book that he had been

00:18:21.180 one, an FBI top spy for eight years in the 1990s.

00:18:27.460 And that he knew for a fact that the FBI had set up this neo-Nazi terror group, which is at the center

00:18:36.360 of my book.

00:18:37.640 Um, and they were associates of Timothy McVeigh as well, that the FBI had actually set up that

00:18:45.260 group as a front group to incite right-wing violence.

00:18:49.280 Margaret, you, you sold me. 0.96

00:18:50.880 I'm downloading the book right now.

00:18:52.780 I'm getting it.

00:18:53.840 Uh, I I've got to read this thing cover to cover.

00:18:56.580 I wish we had more time.

00:18:58.140 I'm instructing my producers.

00:18:59.440 We are going to get you on for a full episode.

00:19:01.860 Just clear the schedule for this one.

00:19:03.920 This is huge.

00:19:05.180 The, her name is Margaret Roberts.

00:19:07.400 The book is blowback.

00:19:09.480 The untold story of the FBI in the Oklahoma city bombing.

00:19:14.720 This thing is white hot and it goes straight to the heart of the FBI.

00:19:19.300 Be right back.

00:19:19.920 Human events daily.

00:19:20.640 Real Marcus voice.

00:19:21.280 You talk about influences.

00:19:27.340 These are influences and, uh, they're friends of mine.

00:19:31.600 Jack.

00:19:32.380 You're so like, where's Jack?

00:19:34.040 Jack.

00:19:35.080 He's done a great job.

00:19:39.780 All right, Jack.

00:19:40.580 So like, here we are back live human events daily, Washington, D.C.

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00:21:06.620 Very excited to have on our next guest, Congressman Keith Self joins us here on Human Events Daily.

00:21:14.800 He's via phone out of the 3rd District of Texas.

00:21:18.460 Congressman, how are you?

00:21:20.300 Doing great.

00:21:21.080 Thanks for having me.

00:21:21.820 We're excited to have you on this Friday.

00:21:25.820 And you're joining us for this couple of minutes here.

00:21:28.620 You've got a new slate of bills that you're putting together.

00:21:31.980 Walk us through some of these really big name projects.

00:21:39.260 We are.

00:21:40.220 And frankly, I am joining the effort.

00:21:42.600 The speaker just said that we have voted on like 50 of President Trump's executive orders.

00:21:47.560 So this is something that Congress needs to do because President Trump will not be president forever, and we don't know who's going to be the next president.

00:21:55.580 So we need to codify into law his executive orders so that they are much harder to overturn, so that you can't overturn them with a stroke of a pen.

00:22:04.240 And so I've got four that I have introduced.

00:22:06.760 One is basically school discipline.

00:22:10.660 One is the safety of our biological weapon research.

00:22:15.520 One is the public service loan forgiveness program.

00:22:18.480 And one is American history.

00:22:19.420 So we've got a good slate of bills that I'm looking forward to advocating for on the floor of the House.

00:22:25.240 When it comes to the restoring truth in American history, I think that's very interesting because that lines up with what President Trump signed yesterday as an executive order regarding artificial intelligence.

00:22:37.760 And saying, Congressman, that that he doesn't want any AI use in the government where the AI is teaching a non-factual or counterfactual approach to U.S. history instruction.

00:22:51.440 And with this, as and as your bill says, with a focus on foundational principles, civic virtue and the unifying aspects of the American experience.

00:23:00.280 Congressman, why is this so important that we codify this into law?

00:23:02.940 Well, not only is it an executive order, but we don't teach civics in school anymore.

00:23:10.080 So our students are getting very little truth about American history.

00:23:15.100 So that's why we need to do this.

00:23:16.920 We need to get the DEI, the wokeism out of the schools.

00:23:20.540 We need to restore to the local level, the state and local level, the management of our schools so they can determine what their students are going to learn.

00:23:29.460 And we did so much damage during the COVID years.

00:23:33.080 We're still behind.

00:23:34.540 So we need to restore this to the schools and make sure that they're teaching factual history.

00:23:41.620 The AIEO that he just signed only solidifies that thought.

00:23:46.740 And it's so key because what's happening, and particularly when we live in the country now, you have people coming in and as they're growing up, they're taught all these ills of America.

00:23:59.920 They're taught that America and even when you go to national historical landmarks around the country, you have these placards that tell you about all these terrible things.

00:24:09.120 You make it out like America is this awful country, and I'm waiting for them to go to the Alamo and take the side of the Mexicans. 1.00

00:24:18.540 Well, absolutely.

00:24:19.720 There are three things that the left, the progressive left, has to tear down in order for the United States federal government to be autonomous and sovereign.

00:24:27.420 They have to tear down our history as first. 0.66

00:24:30.080 They have to tear down our faith.

00:24:32.300 And they have to tear down the very building block of society, our families.

00:24:35.540 So history is one of the big three that they have got to destroy in order to make the government absolutely sovereign.

00:24:45.160 This is so key because what you're talking about to make the government sovereign, it only works if you have a population that has already removed God from the sovereign core of their identity.

00:24:57.740 And this is exactly what we saw with the revolution, you could call them the cultural revolutionaries in the 1960s.

00:25:03.820 What was the very first thing they targeted was God in the public square.

00:25:08.940 Yeah, there's a great movement, has been for 30, 40 years to take God out of the public square that you can, you're free to worship inside the walls of your church or your synagogue.

00:25:19.200 Just don't bring it into the public square.

00:25:21.140 Look, that is wrong.

00:25:22.700 That is a misreading of the separation of church and state.

00:25:26.600 Government stays out of your matters of conscience.

00:25:29.860 Government stays out of your expression of your faith, your religious beliefs.

00:25:36.700 It couldn't be more simple.

00:25:39.300 While we've got you for just another minute, we talked about this public loan forgiveness, the public service loan forgiveness.

00:25:46.340 Can you walk us through how that would work?

00:25:47.560 Well, yeah, I will tell you, we want public loan forgiveness to be for people who are actually working in the public sector.

00:25:56.520 Under President Biden, we went from 7,000 to a million people that might have been eligible for this program, and some of them were supporting terrorism, supporting violence.

00:26:09.760 They were not supporting the public sector in what we normally think of.

00:26:15.100 So these are NGOs, non-government organizations, that got these grants and then forgiveness, and they were supporting anti-American ideas and actions.

00:26:27.320 That is not right.

00:26:28.880 This bill will try to codify the EO that says public sector loan forgiveness is meant for exactly that, people that are working on behalf of the interest of the United States in the public sector.

00:26:40.520 And it's really as simple as that.

00:26:44.880 Congressman, thank you so much for joining us.

00:26:46.680 I know you have to run.

00:26:47.880 We're just about out of time in the segment.

00:26:50.040 God bless you, and hope you're having a great summer.

00:26:52.780 Thank you so much.

00:26:54.920 All right.

00:26:55.180 God bless, folks.

00:26:56.060 That's Congressman Keith Self joining us in via phone.

00:26:59.520 It's very important, codifying President Trump's executive orders into legislation, because we know President Trump, he's only in this one more term.

00:27:09.140 And Steve Bannon's got some other ideas about that.

00:27:11.040 We'll see.

00:27:11.860 But in order to stick the landing and make sure all of the things that we're putting up on the board, the W's are up, they need to be codified into law.

00:27:19.720 Right back.

00:27:20.700 Human Events Daily continues on Real America's Voice.

00:27:24.940 Jack.

00:27:26.880 Where's Jack?

00:27:27.800 Where is he?

00:27:30.320 Jack, I want to see you.

00:27:33.960 Great job, Jack.

00:27:35.400 Thank you.

00:27:36.160 What a job you do.

00:27:37.580 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:38.960 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:27:41.260 But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting policemen.

00:27:47.400 Tobik, back here.

00:27:48.640 Human Events Daily.

00:27:49.500 Folks, according to the Department of Energy, blackouts.

00:27:52.440 Yeah, we're talking blackouts.

00:27:53.620 They could increase by 10,000% over the next few years.

00:27:58.080 That's because of massive energy demands from AI data centers and an aging, fragile power grid that just can't keep up.

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00:28:58.800 I always love Christmas in July.

00:29:00.040 We're actually, we're doing an arts and crafts thing with the kids this weekend about it.

00:29:03.020 It's just one of those fun, you know, hey, hey, it's always a good time to talk about Christmas.

00:29:06.900 And it's always a good time to understand what's going on in our world.

00:29:11.180 And so for the Catholics and even the non-Catholic Christians in our audience, many people are asking questions about the new pope, the first American pope.

00:29:22.320 Of course, followers know and listeners know that we were over there for coverage with Real America's Voice.

00:29:28.200 We're so happy that the SIGs were able to send us over and to support that coverage while we were there covering down on this show and the war room.

00:29:38.960 One of the first books that's been written about Pope Leo and, of course, about his background is by Dr. Matthew Bunsen.

00:29:47.620 He is the author of this.

00:29:49.240 It's Leo XIV, Portrait of the First American Pope.

00:29:52.660 And he joins us from EWTN.

00:29:55.620 Dr. Bunsen, thank you so much for joining us.

00:29:57.160 Oh, great to be with you.

00:30:00.340 Now, of course, I wish I had a chance to see you while we were in Rome together for the conclave.

00:30:05.300 But I don't think I could see anyone.

00:30:08.100 There were just so many people packed into St. Peter's Square.

00:30:12.380 Well, especially that day.

00:30:14.100 My wife was able to come.

00:30:15.440 Oh, my gosh.

00:30:15.820 She was in a coffee shop when the habim was popped and the white smoke came out. 0.91

00:30:19.740 And it is something of a great time-honored custom in Rome for all the Romans to make their way as quickly as possible to St. Peter's Square for the white smoke and then the unveiling of the new pontiff.

00:30:30.920 This one, I think, was especially interesting because of the global interest.

00:30:34.860 At any given time, there were about 4,000 accredited journalists in Rome for this.

00:30:39.440 So you can imagine the intensity.

00:30:41.380 It was a genuine privilege to be there.

00:30:43.120 But I'm sorry we didn't have a chance to meet up.

00:30:44.800 No, as well.

00:30:46.440 And I've kept my credential as well as the rest of the team.

00:30:50.000 I said, guys, keep a hold of this one.

00:30:53.020 You might have to be handing it to St. Peter one day.

00:30:56.460 I take it to have one of some kind.

00:30:58.680 It's funny because I also have credentials from various events over the years.

00:31:02.680 But this one is very special.

00:31:04.720 It is very rare.

00:31:05.760 It only comes up so long.

00:31:07.960 Especially with a front row seat.

00:31:10.400 Precisely.

00:31:10.800 So tell us about the book.

00:31:13.140 What should we know?

00:31:14.800 What should we be concerned with?

00:31:16.900 What should we be interested to find about the first American pope?

00:31:21.280 Yeah, well, it starts with the remarkable, unprecedented event that we have, the first U.S.-born pope.

00:31:28.660 We call him the first American pope in part because he is, as the name pontifex,

00:31:33.400 one of the traditional titles given to the pope.

00:31:35.500 He's a bridge builder.

00:31:36.500 And he's a remarkable builder of bridges between North America and South America.

00:31:41.340 Born just outside of Chicago.

00:31:42.900 grew up in what would be a seemingly very ordinary family environment.

00:31:47.520 And yet, the Catholic faith of that family created the first American pope.

00:31:52.240 Then served for many, many years in South America, in Peru.

00:31:56.060 He was a bishop there.

00:31:56.820 He was a missionary.

00:31:57.860 So he really is that person who understands both worlds.

00:32:01.520 And he's bringing all of that perspective to Rome.

00:32:05.000 The other key thing to understand about him is that he is a member of what's called the Augustinian order.

00:32:10.500 That's an order named after and sort of inspired by St. Augustine of Hippo, one of the greatest theologians and glossaries in the history of the church.

00:32:18.360 So he brings that missionary zeal, but also that love of reason.

00:32:23.280 And you're seeing that already in many of the things that he said and what we can anticipate, I think, will be some of his writings coming in the future.

00:32:30.600 Well, and you mentioned the bridge building, and this is something that we heard going in.

00:32:35.980 And I said, I remember CNN played my comments and all this, and I said, look, he's not one of these, you know, hardcore conservative types.

00:32:44.900 But at the same time, he is someone who I think understands where this new wave of energy into the church is coming from, understands where young people, and you see, of course, on Twitter, on X, he's clearly interacting with this.

00:33:03.040 Because when I go, for example, to the traditional Latin mass, you see kids, I mean that kids, you see teenagers, you see young couples, they're getting married young, they're getting married in their 20s, their early 20s.

00:33:14.580 And this is a totally different shift that I've seen just even in my brief lifetime as a Catholic.

00:33:22.720 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:33:24.080 I mean, the centers of gravity in some ways where the church is growing fastest is in the youngest parts of the world, in Africa, in parts of Latin America.

00:33:32.000 So he brings that experience as a very seasoned missionary.

00:33:35.820 But he's also something of a real thinker.

00:33:38.180 We have seen from almost the first day of his election, his focus on these new technology.

00:33:43.520 He took the name Leo XIV in honor of a pope who was grappling with the effects of the Industrial Revolution at the end of the 19th century.

00:33:51.340 And that's Pope Leo XIII that he ushered in.

00:33:53.960 The church's real concern, Catholic Church's focus on the impacts of the Industrial Revolution and new technologies.

00:34:01.100 And that's exactly what Leo XIV is doing.

00:34:03.020 He's especially focused on artificial intelligence, the impact of AI, not just on culture and economics, but on the individual human person, which rests at the heart, I think, of one of his big concerns is what is the impact of AI on families, on the individual, on the dignity of the human person.

00:34:21.780 So I think that's something that really connects him very directly with the younger generation is the Gen Zs who have now spent a good part of their lives recognizing the importance of social media, that digital world, but also now the impact of things like artificial intelligence and software that's in development and new technology that's in development.

00:34:42.200 Well, I think it's exactly right.

00:35:12.200 A huge hub of this.

00:35:13.800 And in the, you know, you look at that and you say, oh, my gosh, you know, we're going so far.

00:35:18.340 What is the response?

00:35:19.520 And I would argue, and certainly I think Pope Leo here is focusing on this, that the response to that is the 2000 years of history and tradition of the church and being connected directly with our creator.

00:35:32.300 Yeah, I'm based in D.C. also, so I see it very up close myself.

00:35:36.820 Oh, so you know.

00:35:37.360 Within communities, within families, this is a very transient society here in D.C., but it goes beyond even D.C.

00:35:46.060 And I think one of the things that Pope Leo has even commented on is the social fragmentation of the divisions that exist and the loss of family life, the loss of close personal relationships.

00:35:57.760 And so much of it has to start, of course, with our relationship with God.

00:36:01.880 With Catholics, we embrace that relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:36:04.940 But we're also seeing how that plays out, that lack of relationships and that fear of commitment that we can see that that's really generational.

00:36:14.580 We can see that in Gen X.

00:36:15.980 We can see that in the millennials.

00:36:17.420 We can see that with Gen Zs. 0.98

00:36:18.560 But it's especially potent now with young people like Gen Zs who have lived with this digital reality for so long and in many ways prefer that in their lives, in part because they've never had a real image of a nuclear family.

00:36:33.880 So I think this is one of the aspects that we're seeing.

00:36:36.380 And I think we'll hear from Pope Leo over the next few days because of the big jubilee event in Rome for youth.

00:36:43.020 And I look forward to seeing what he has to say directly to young people, because that's a real opportunity for him to speak, not just to the 500,000, 600,000 young people who are going to be gathering in Rome over the next few days, but that global audience that is very interested in what he has to say.

00:36:58.960 I think he's exactly right.

00:37:00.320 We've only got about a minute left in the segment.

00:37:02.400 So I've got to ask, and by the way, I'll throw it out again, folks, the book is Leo XIV, Portrait of the First American Pope.

00:37:10.800 If you're Catholic, you want to learn more about the Pope.

00:37:13.180 If you're not Catholic and you still want to learn more about the Pope, this is a great primer for you.

00:37:18.440 It's certainly one of the first books that I've seen on the subject.

00:37:21.520 But Dr. Bunsen, I have to ask you, when are we getting a papal visit to the country of his birth?

00:37:27.320 Well, right after his election, he was asked by a reporter at a meeting with the media about when he might come to the U.S.

00:37:34.280 He said, not soon.

00:37:36.200 Now, obviously, next year, we're looking at the 250th anniversary, I think, for the U.S., the birth of the nation.

00:37:42.120 Come on.

00:37:42.540 That's a perfect opportunity.

00:37:44.860 So possibly next year.

00:37:46.980 I can guarantee that it will happen.

00:37:48.820 But when it does, if you're living in Chicago, there's going to be quite the frenzy.

00:37:52.560 But I think also here in Washington, D.C., in places like New York, I think this is going to be on his agenda.

00:38:00.060 We anticipate probably in the fall he'll go to Turkey for the big anniversary of the Council of Nicaea, which is the big event in Christian history.

00:38:07.520 He may go to Peru.

00:38:09.340 But I agree.

00:38:10.320 I think that a trip here to the United States, coming home.

00:38:13.420 We'll come to D.C., we'll bring our Catholic convert, vice president over to the National Basilica.

00:38:18.680 It'll be much better than that thing that we went to at the other church.

00:38:24.780 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:26.360 He's written that fantastic book.

00:38:28.000 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:29.220 Go get it.

00:38:30.360 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:34.320 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to him.

00:38:37.600 Amen.

00:38:37.860 All right, folks.

00:38:42.300 Jack Posobiec, we're back live.

00:38:44.300 And look, you know, something happened.

00:38:48.060 We shot that interview with General Flynn yesterday, and I didn't get a chance to address this on air.

00:38:53.300 But we lost an American icon yesterday, and his name is Hulk Hogan.

00:39:02.540 And I'm just going to say it right now.

00:39:03.860 Hulkamania will never die, as long as the Hulkamaniacs keep it alive forever.

00:39:13.960 Hulkamania forever. 0.96

00:39:16.620 And last year, I had the opportunity and just one of the top ten moments of my entire life

00:39:24.180 to be there with my family at Hulk Hogan's final gift to America, the birth of Trumpamania.

00:39:35.280 And we've got a huge obituary up for him on humanevents.com that I want everyone to go read.

00:39:42.560 It was written by the Raw Egg Nationalist.

00:39:44.040 Hulk Hogan's last great gift to the American people was to turn Hulkamania into Trumpamania last year at the RNC.

00:39:54.520 Hogan was a patriot.

00:39:55.720 You want to ask what an American is?

00:39:57.540 That's an American.

00:39:58.880 That's a real American.

00:40:00.260 We got Kevin Posobiec here riding side saddle because, Kevin, you were right there with me when he walked out.

00:40:06.160 I sure was, Jack.

00:40:07.480 And we were also there at Madison Square Garden when he gave his final send-off for there, too, as well.

00:40:13.360 And, listen, people talk about, you know, your last guest having, like, a Catholic spiritual father or a patron saint, this and that.

00:40:20.420 Like, Hogan was my American father.

00:40:22.880 He was my American spiritual father, brother.

00:40:26.040 He was my hero from growing up way back when we used to wrestle in the hay barn.

00:40:31.360 And, you know, lots of great memories.

00:40:33.360 I was kicked out.

00:40:34.200 Kevin could never get me down for the one, two, three.

00:40:37.080 Never, ever.

00:40:39.320 That's right.

00:40:40.640 And we were jumping higher than the top rope on that.

00:40:43.740 We're talking.

00:40:44.940 I just remember the one time where I put you in the razor's edge off of the top of the hay bales, and then you went down so far that we couldn't find you because we were calling you and you weren't answering for, like, a minute.

00:40:58.940 That was, Mom, if you're watching, that didn't happen.

00:41:03.080 We made that up.

00:41:04.140 That was in Minecraft only.

00:41:06.280 Only in the pool.

00:41:07.180 And I couldn't come back.

00:41:08.180 All I had was the leg drop.

00:41:09.460 I was like, how could you?

00:41:10.920 I had the leg drop, but, man, couldn't beat the razor's edge.

00:41:14.600 No, no, no.

00:41:15.360 But, well, anyway, we've got that video of, it was almost exactly one year ago.

00:41:19.820 Guys, let's play that video from us at the RNC when the immortal Hulk Hogan came out.

00:41:30.480 Yes!

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00:41:53.040 when he walked out no i've never seen any of the videos and there's there's jack jack

00:41:58.500 yep there's me next to you you won't say it but man i sure got choked up like i never thought it

00:42:06.940 would happen and i remember telling you like during the campaign like man like we gotta get

00:42:11.180 hoogan like because i've i've been living down here near clear water for about three years

00:42:15.140 and i seen his make wrestling great again shirts like in his shop and i was like jack you gotta

00:42:20.640 get a hold of him like we need like the extra extra power and uh sure enough i don't know like

00:42:27.380 maybe you did all i can say is there was a there was a concerted effort behind the scenes to make

00:42:34.400 this happen but the end of the day it was all hogan it was all the hulkster he came in and

00:42:42.140 that's true it was five days after butler five days it was just after butler and

00:42:49.600 you know and he said yes and we heard he was coming in and we're all like this is confirmed

00:42:56.100 it's confirmed and you know you and i the last time you were on the show we actually we mentioned

00:43:02.140 it as kind of a just kind of a brief aside that a couple of days ago when we were at sass we

00:43:07.420 mentioned that he had some he was having health issues and we you know kind of heard some stuff

00:43:12.600 about that from around the way and i i you know i thought he was going to kick out and it didn't

00:43:18.980 work out that way but he he came back he came back to put the flag up one last time to save america

00:43:28.060 joining with president trump and in so many ways trumpamania the maga movement it it really is the

00:43:35.400 spiritual successor to hulkamania because it was about little people it was about going to 0.96

00:43:41.120 it was about going to all those little towns all over the country that you know they get the carnival

00:43:46.920 they get the harlem grobetrotters and they got the world wrestling federation and they got hulk hogan

00:43:52.800 coming in with the hogan leg drop that's who the hulkamaniacs were that's who the people were that

00:43:58.340 supported and guess what that's the exact same people that donald trump fights for jd vance is one of

00:44:03.480 those people right it's about all those forgotten americans that's who hulk always stood for and it

00:44:09.580 was simple as that and america was i'm going to say it was a better place when you could turn on tv

00:44:15.520 and see real heroes that were larger than life be up on stage and up on top in front of a tv screen

00:44:23.100 saying train pray eat your vitamins body slamming giants holding up the american flag choking out the

00:44:30.520 iron chic oh the flag oh the flag you know the ussr there you go that's great there you go there you

00:44:37.160 go and it's it's something that we've lost he always kept promoting he always kept promoting his

00:44:43.020 business he would always cut promos his son got involved his son's a dj now he runs karaoke at

00:44:48.600 hogan's hangout and i want to give a shout out to the young republicans we're having a good old american

00:44:54.660 meet up there later today if you're in clearwater we're going to have an impromptu memorial for him

00:45:01.120 everybody's going to come out with their way that's to that's today and love yes yes sir today

00:45:07.280 so that's today at hogan's hangout say say that again for everyone who's in clearwater tampa bay

00:45:12.940 if you're in driving distance if you're in flying distance tell people obviously everyone knows

00:45:17.020 it's hogan's hangout when does it start starts at 4 p.m eastern standard time and it's it's being

00:45:24.600 put on by pinellas county young republicans and also tampa bay young republicans so it'll be a good

00:45:30.000 group of us out there um there were some people already yesterday laying roses and uh yeah it's

00:45:36.440 going to be a great time starts at 4 p.m till late hey there might even be some karaoke we'll see

00:45:41.280 we'll see who grabs the mic please please yeah please go down get us footage of that get us if

00:45:46.660 the memorials the people interviews we we were just there we were just there last week we went

00:45:52.160 there last week we were literally on the beach of the gulf of america yep well and at the gulf right

00:45:58.740 but we went we went to the store we went to the beach shop we went to uh the the had that way at

00:46:05.600 lunch we had lunch at the restaurant and even even my kids jack jack and aj seven years old four years

00:46:11.820 old the the next generation of the posto bros they they love hulk hogan because it speaks to

00:46:18.980 something that's bigger than all of us that's super powerful that's metaphysical that loves america

00:46:26.320 and they got to be there to see him and i'm just i'm just so happy that that they got there's the

00:46:32.760 first time we saw him too but that that's that they got to see him and i i said i said to actually

00:46:39.620 kevin i have to tell you i uh i told jack jack yesterday i haven't i haven't aj's with uh with

00:46:45.940 his grandma and grandpa i haven't even told him yet i i haven't even told aj i i i don't i don't know

00:46:53.000 how to break it to him uh i hope he's not watching but it's it's that's his hero you know and it's it's

00:46:59.520 he wears hogan shirt every day he always asked me to watch him because it speaks to something that's

00:47:04.480 larger than life and it's a better world to live in when you have people like hulk hogan there and

00:47:11.340 presented the way they did so thank god he came out for trump thank god that trump was willing to

00:47:17.700 give him that chance to do that and we had the video because my buddy uh serabian had the video

00:47:23.940 from backstage he was there with like cliff sims and and uh steven chung and those guys that hogan

00:47:29.520 wrote that whole promo at the rnc he wrote that was all him that was and and and i'll tell you all

00:47:34.220 right all right andy yeah i was supposed to say this publicly they had this they handed him the

00:47:38.300 script and he looked at it and he goes that doesn't work for me brother let's go that's what it is

00:47:47.040 it's all it's impromptu i mean he's a christian he's muscular he tells you to take your vitamins like

00:47:53.820 that is a fantastic role model and i'm tired of all these zoomers saying like oh don't wave the flag 1.00

00:47:59.320 like it's so cringe like look at you like blah blah blah like no this is what we need this is

00:48:05.100 uh one of the best patriotic things you could do just be happy to be american where can people

00:48:10.900 follow you man yeah oh you can follow me at uh instagram and on x kevin pasovic and uh follow

00:48:19.120 me to hogan's hangout tonight i'll be there hogan's hangout

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