The Power of Alternative Media
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In this episode, I moderated a panel with Laura Voegtlin and David Axelrod to discuss the impact of alternative media in American politics, and the impact it has had on candidates, journalists, and intelligence officers across the political spectrum.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is the segment where we start talking about
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alternative media, and the reason I get the blessed opportunity to kind of
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moderate this section is because I've written three books with General Flynn
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When we talk about manipulation, we talk about influence,
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we talk about all the things that come into this cognitive battle space,
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and each one of the people up here has had something,
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has been affected in that space, whether it's a politician,
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whether it's a 30-year journalist, or whether it's an intelligence officer
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that's come into the media, the game has changed when it comes to media.
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Legacy media is kind of dying out, and we've got the alternative media right now,
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but we have to ask ourselves, what is the alternative media?
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So I want to lead off with that question, starting with Congressman Crane.
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First of all, tell us a little bit about yourself,
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how the alternative media helped you in your campaign,
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because it was very significant, and what do you consider alternative media?
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Yeah, well, thank you for allowing me to be here,
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You know, it's interesting being up on a panel with these two guys.
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They're definitely the subject matter experts when it comes to media.
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You know, they create media, and they've done a good job, I think,
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alerting Americans to so many things that the mainstream does not cover.
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And as somebody who comes from a service background and a business background
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and was watching the direction of where this country was headed
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and decided to try and get up here to do everything I could
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to, you know, keep us as free and prosperous as I grew up,
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and many of us have been blessed to grow up with here,
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I've really been able to benefit from alternative media
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First, in running for office, many of you guys know
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You know, often we refer to it as the uniparty.
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and so they try and do everything in the world to keep us from getting up here
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because they know or they fear that we're not going to play ball
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And so just getting in, you know, was difficult,
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I was doing podcasts and, you know, multiple, you know,
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And that really helped me get my message across to the people.
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It helped me raise the resources to get up here.
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And I would say one of the other great things about it
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is it's allowed me in many ways to stay ahead of the curve.
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I feel like you're always two, three, four, five,
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six months ahead of everybody else because the mainstream media tends to look at
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sitting on a panel and they're looking at the other mainstream shows and like,
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self-imposed reflection because of some of their sponsors and donors.
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And so it's been a blessing for many of us that are kind of outsiders.
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Do you think you could have become a congressman without the alternative media?
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Laura, you've been in the media game for about 30 years now,
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You were a leader there, leading shows, top shows.
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It was more like a crash and burn nuclear explosion.
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So, well, you know, I would say what changed wasn't me, actually.
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I did everything the same way I had always done it.
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I believed we were a force for truth and for good in the world.
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When you're on the outside of that, like I would meet people like you all the time,
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especially on the battlefield, and they would tell me how biased the media was.
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And I was perplexed because nobody told me what to put in my stories, but it's what you
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And it's born out of two things in the mainstream media.
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One, it's just, it's born out of the fact that it's a recruiting ground for people who think
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So most people within the mainstream media, I would say before the election of Donald Trump,
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if we can look at the media in terms of pre-2016 and post-2016, I think that will help you understand
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Because we went from a place where there was an intrinsic bias born out of accepted narratives
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that were propagated really within the education system.
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So long before the media became compliant, the education system was overtaken.
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And that really reaches right back to the Franklin School and, you know, pre-World War II, when
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Columbia University made an alliance with Marxists out of Germany, and the takeover of the Department
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And these things can't be overstated how important they are, because you literally just don't
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encounter anyone who thinks a different way within that media space.
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And if you do, if there are journalists who maybe are pro-life or something, you just,
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they don't speak up because they're outnumbered.
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And you just know that those ideas are not going to be accepted.
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Then when you look at the fact that we instituted systems of punishment, right?
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So organizations like Media Matters for America, I don't understand why those people are still
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I mean, they're oxygen thieves of the worst kind.
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They wake up every day and their mission is to destroy and they're evil and they're well
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So when you have organizations like that, they work with the media organizations and they
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create an environment in which truth and integrity is punished and deception and cowardice is
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So journalists self-select on their stories and they do.
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And so for, you know, for me, what happened is I followed the story.
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I followed the truth and when it came up against politics, I didn't think for a moment that
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And I was, you know, the future of the, of 60 Minutes, the greatest news program in the
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And I, and we just did our, and we worked hard.
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That's the other thing for people to understand is when you look at the media and you criticize
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everything, the, what's being lost is real profound institutional knowledge and hard work
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What has led us here is a lack of moral courage, but also complicity.
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At this point, the media are co-conspirators in the seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government
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of the United States and an attack on this country in, in the most profound way.
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You, you can only put Adam Schiff on TV so many times before you recognize that you're
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You can't defend putting John Brennan on television at this point.
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So I think it's very important to me for people to recognize when the media transitioned from
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self-interest and just general moral cowardice and laziness to actually being co-conspirators
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Jack, I've watched you, you know, from the beginning, you know, kind of come up this ladder
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You can come out of the Navy as an intelligence from the intelligence community in the Navy.
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But for the audience here, I'd really like you to tell everybody how the, how your style
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from that intelligence community affects and shapes the media that you do and how big of
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a factor is that in the strength of alternative media?
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And, and thanks again to general Flynn, the entire team for putting this together, for having
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Um, I'll mention it because most people don't always know the backstory that when I was in
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Navy intelligence, I was at one point assigned to the defense intelligence agency.
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It was deployed to Guantanamo Bay, worked in the J2X interrogation cell down there in the
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And the director of the DIA at that time, all those years ago is sitting in the front row
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That was general Flynn's who I served under in the DIA.
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So a lot of people don't realize how much of a backstory that so many of the people in
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this room have that through a, a, you know, completely precipitous, uh, series of events
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And so when you talk about the style, the style that I have is the style that I was trained
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on as a first in intelligence, uh, I was enlisted and then became later an officer.
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And I remember always being taught, be good, be brief, be gone and have the bluff, put the
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So it's, it's, you've got to have that big headline, you know, you'd say headline in
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today's parlance, but it was, what's the, so what, what is the, so what I could put up
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a briefing slide in front of you and walk you through all of the different net connections
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and all of the different, uh, background on any specific problem set, whether it be a terrorist
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cell, whether it be a Chinese communist party influence network, whatever it might be smuggling,
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But if I'm not giving you the, so what right up front, then I'm wasting your time and I'm
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And so when I bring my approach to, you know, whatever it is you call, I do independent media,
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that that's something that's always deeply ingrained in my mind, be good, be brief, be
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If you're not speaking with clarity, then you're not properly communicating because effective
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And, you know, it's so interesting looking at, as you say, this journey from being inside
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the intelligence services to now in independent media, took my children to the international
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spy museum, which is, you know, just a few blocks away here for the first time ever, this,
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And I said, and I think I said, wow, they should really call this place the constructed reality
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It's, it's a museum, not about the intelligence community.
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It's actually a museum created by the intelligence community to give you a vision of a constructed
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reality that has some resemblance to reality, but everything's just slightly off.
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This is the false reality that you would get if you read the pages of the Washington Post
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or the New York Times, or if you're watching CNN and listening to NPR, this is the reality
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where, of course, Russia hacked the election, where COVID-19 was a natural origin virus that
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came from a, apparently a bat making out with a pangolin and ending up in some soup in a wet
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And, and if you say anything that's beyond Hunter Biden's laptop, again, Russian disinformation,
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all of these things, which we know, and all of us have learned are completely true.
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But when you walk into that constructed reality museum, you, you realize the amount of money
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and the amount of force and the amount of huge dollar bank accounts that are put into
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maintaining this illusion of a false reality, recruiting people who are willing to go along with
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the false reality as you encountered in mainstream media, because they don't actually push beyond
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the boundaries of that accepted, that accepted narrative, whatever the consensus bias is.
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Climate change was another example of this for a long time.
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You notice they don't even talk about that one anymore.
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And so having been in the military and then serving in places, Guantanamo Bay, for example,
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was a place that was completely lied about in the media.
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And I guarantee you, every single person in this room, with the probable exception of Tim
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Ballard, who just walked in, because that's a guy who knows the truth, you have a vision
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in your mind of and a picture of these places that exists because the media painted it for
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you, or Hollywood painted it for you, or it was an accepted narrative, a constructed reality
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So she was in the White House yesterday, and for the first time ever, we've seen someone
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actually totally shatter that veil from a position of power like she's done.
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This has never happened before in the history of the United States, where the director of
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national intelligence has come out and for the first time told the truth about what actually
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happened, that in this instance, Russiagate was a domestic intelligence operation that was
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run on the American people and their president in conjunction with the entire mainstream media.
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And that's something that, of course, the media is doing everything they can to silence
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because it's an indictment on their entire process.
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It's very hard for folks in the military, for folks in the military and the media to give
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I appreciate how you guys are passing it back and forth.
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Congressman Crane, also, give him a round of applause.
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And speaking of deployments and speaking of the military, we know Intel drives maneuver.
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You're setting a position right now with our government where you get to see things, you
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We are doing this pivot to China thing that's going to be happening here pretty soon.
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But while that's happening, what message do you have to the alternative media to not take
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their eyes off of any certain direction and be only focused on China?
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What else is happening out there that people need to make sure they don't forget about?
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I realize many of my friends and allies in the room are very focused on China and they have
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But they are definitely a threat to the United States and Jack and Laura can go into great
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They are a definite threat to the United States.
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But one thing that I will say to anybody, everybody in this room is don't take your eyes
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And I think they often get underrated for a few reasons.
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One of them is when we look at threats around the world, we can look at nation states.
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And we also look at their weaponry and their military capabilities.
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And that's an area where I think they often get overlooked because they don't rank high when
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it comes to a couple of those things, you know, and when you study their when you study their
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theology, you know, and, you know, some of these young kids are being taught that if they
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are killed in the line of jihad, they'll go to heaven and get 70 virgins.
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And when you compare it to some of the other nation states that we often rank high on that
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list, they're not fighting for the same reasons.
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They're not fighting because they believe that, you know, it's divine and that God will
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bless them, you know, for fighting infidels and, you know, toppling the West.
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So I think that it's important that we do not take our eyes off of radical Islam.
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And when you when you when you look at that list, you're saying some don't rank as high
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Where are we on the top of that list that people should make sure they don't take their
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Which which country, which group, which organization?
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Well, I think that if if if you look at it and you you right now, one of the reasons
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that another reason that they're often, I would say, underestimated is because they're
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If you look at the Middle East, there's a lot of infighting.
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But if you look at what they want to do and reestablish a caliphate, which I I do believe
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in the future will happen, you know, it's that's why I said radical Islam and jihadists,
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because they I do believe at some point they will be able to reunite, get past all of their
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But that this is one of the this is one of the dangers I see is that I think is as we
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But I think that, you know, there's going to be a focus taking off of radical Islam.
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And I think one of the other dangers to it is that the United States of America, because
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our military is so strong, our military is built to take on nation states, not necessarily
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And so I think it's one of the reasons that radical Marxism, communism and socialism have
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been so effective and so destructive here in the United States, because this isn't what
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you know, our Department of Defense is built to do.
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Right. And that's one of the reasons I think that radical Islam, it will be such a big
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I just I want to put that in the context of the media.
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I should really have said that the shift became apparent in 2016, because if you actually look
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But if you look at the playbook of radical Islamists, first of all, it's identical to
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Unrestricted warfare is unrestricted warfare, which whether it's done by the Chinese or what
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But radical Islam is a term that is in itself created to deceive, because having studied the
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the Koran, you will know that it's not actually radical to fight for the restoration of the
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Ummah, which is the Islamic people and the Sharia throughout the world.
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In fact, it's as mainstream as Islam gets to believe in that as the established.
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It might be groups that use radical tactics, but we're the ones who gave it that name.
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And that's where the role of the media comes in.
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And if you actually look at the term Islamophobia, you cannot date that term prior to the Obama
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So this is why history for journalists matters.
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So what happens with the rise of independent media is you get a lot of people that can grab
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And if they make a deal with a social media company, they can get a big audience pretty
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They can come out of the CIA like Sean Ryan and they can be very popular very quickly
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and they can stay there as long as somebody else decides to keep them there.
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But what is actually, what is it they're not doing?
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Any journalist presented to you as an expert is already lying to you because we're not experts.
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I can cover nuclear energy and I will never have the knowledge of a nuclear scientist who's
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So what we are supposed to be is students of history, students of culture, students of
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modern popular governments and who are the players of the time.
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Number one, daily news and immediate deadlines are the death of that kind of level of knowledge
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So it's important for journalists really to be able to transition beyond those things,
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You can be a daily news journalist for a while and really get hard news skills or work for
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a news agency and have that instant hard news nose.
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But what you're supposed to build over time is context and knowledge.
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And that is supposed to be merged with principles.
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But what we have is journalists who are not curious.
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The reason you don't know the stories that Jack's telling you about is because our media lies
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So it's not just what they print that's not true.
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You get slices of the truth because the best propaganda is built on kernels of truth.
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When you make something up, it's very hard to keep it there.
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Because what happens, it's a lie that has no legs and it keeps collapsing on itself.
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You create a trail of guilt, which is exactly where we are with Chelsea Gabbard today, right?
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Because the lie of Russia collusion had constantly propped up.
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And there's an evidence trail to that cover up.
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But what we as journalists don't do is we're not curious about where does Islamophobia come
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Well, there's an organization called DC Leaks, which is like WikiLeaks.
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You can't find this on the internet anymore, even in the Wayback Machine.
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There are people who can find it, but they're beyond my reach.
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When the Open Society Foundations created the playbook for the creation of the term Islamophobia.
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Exactly how they would define it, how they would proliferate it, what they would do to
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Because after 9-11 Americans were focused on the threat of Islamic conquest, not the
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threat of the average Muslim person who, you know, I'm not going to play that game.
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I'm not going to fall into that trap of information warfare that's created that if you if you talk
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about the Islamic conquest of our society, you're now a prejudiced against the average Muslim
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I've lived for many years, five years in Iraq, years in Afghanistan.
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What I what I want to show you is that this is a made up term that is a tool of control
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And it has operated as a cover while the Islamic conquest has moved not just across Africa,
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Nigeria, Congo, Ethiopia, across the Sohail villages that we're now supposed to believe
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were always Muslim, that where the Africans themselves are like, where the hell did this
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We don't wear a bias here, but but we don't we're so uncurious as media about the origins
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We ignore it and it's burned all its way across Europe and it's right at our front door.
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It's the same playbook, except that Islam is not a religion.
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We allow it to have the First Amendment protection because we don't know anything about Islam.
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And it's actually I learned this from jihadis themselves at the Finsbury Mosque in London,
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which is one of the main command and control centers for the conquest of the UK and Europe.
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And those guys laughed at me when I said Islam is a religion.
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And when you understand that, you understand that two civilizations cannot coexist, especially
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one under which the implementation of Sharia is the only foundation for it to be legitimate
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So you cannot have the Constitution of the United States of America and Sharia law coexist.
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And if you don't uphold that, if you're you're intimidated into silence and manipulated by a
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compliant media that are both incurious and dishonest, profoundly dishonest, and then a
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So if you still in this room are sitting here and you reference everything through the New
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York Times or the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal, you're part of the problem.
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Well, follow up question for Laura, just real quick.
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You spoke about the time and how much time you have spent overseas in foreign countries.
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How much time have you spent in the Middle East?
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And when we talk about media, what was the propaganda you saw that was for them against
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us and how does it compare to some of the things you're seeing in the United States now?
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I think, Boone, for me, it's more about understanding that the obligations that Islamic people feel
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they live under if they are faithful to the teachings.
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There's what comes from Allah, what comes from God.
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But then there's what comes from the Prophet Muhammad and how he interpreted those things.
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So many of the things today that are completely against American culture and principles and
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ideas come from the interpretations from the Prophet Muhammad, which come from a man, which
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is, for example, they believe that every human being on earth has Islamic DNA, that we are
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We revert to our original and that's why the Christians are such an affront to Islam, because
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we turned away who are the people of the book, the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims, right?
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So when ISIS rages across Mosul and ancient Mesopotamia, now northern Iraq, and they give Christians
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the opportunity to revert, right, and play the Jazeera, but the Yazidis and the Kurds, you know,
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Because actually Muhammad believed that Jesus was a slave, in fact, was his slave.
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And so it's understanding that that ideology puts an obligation.
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So when I was with Afghan commanders during the war with the Taliban, and I lived alone
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on the front line as a woman, and at the time when the Taliban controlled 95% of the country,
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and there were many commanders that I would meet with regularly, because I would go everywhere
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with Afghan soldiers, and one of the, every day they would beg me, can the United States
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please help us, please, begging, sometimes tears rolling down their cheeks, all the stories
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I mean, the people around me, they hadn't been able to go to Kabul to see their families for
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And so when Kabul finally fell, and by the way, there was not an American invasion, America
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provided the planes and the intelligence and the support from clandestine warriors and special
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operations, but the Afghans did the fighting, and they don't consider it an invasion.
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Because the media still talks about the invasion of Afghanistan, even though it's not actually
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But when it finally happened, and the US helped the Afghans defeat their enemies, I said, you
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know, America's already talking about war in Iraq, and going against Saddam Hussein, now
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that you, they've helped you, and this is, I'm standing in front of a container where these
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Taliban had kept these guys prisoner, and we liberated the container, and these people
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were emaciated and dying, there were tears, I mean, they were reunited with their brethren,
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This was a very emotional moment, and from the bottom of their heart, they're thanking America.
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So I said, okay, well, would you consider going to help America, since America helped you
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defeat your enemy, can you help America defeat its enemy in Iraq?
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And I knew the answer, but I wanted it on camera.
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So, and under the Quran, you cannot, as a Muslim, assist a non-Muslim in defeating someone
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So it's not, you know, if you really want to talk, the serious propaganda is the propaganda
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that teaches that Jewish people are worthless, that they're not human.
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When, you know, we go into Iraq, Muqtada al-Assad, he becomes proliferated, this is Kirk,
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We capture Saddam, he gets hung, and Muqtada hates us.
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We just avenged your father, and you still hate us.
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We got rid of the enemy that they couldn't get rid of themselves.
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You get a lot more of this kind of stuff, and just very, very exquisite.
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Jack, General Flynn always talks about digital soldiers.
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What is the next thing that these digital soldiers, where should they be looking to turn?
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What should they be looking to do in this future, where legacy media is dying out, digital soldiers,
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What does the future look like for our digital soldiers?
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And thanks so much to Laura for your testimony just there.
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But the question, the issue with anyone who's involved in the online freedom movement, the
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online patriot movements, and this goes for anywhere in the world, is not just the United
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States, but anywhere in the West where they're fighting this.
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Obviously, in the EU, there's so many issues with censorship there.
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So censorship has, by and large, failed due to the success of Donald Trump and the ability
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to move quicker with our systems and our distribution networks than ever.
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And a huge shout out, of course, to Elon Musk, because him purchasing X when he did with $44
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billion of his own money provided that platform for truth to be able to be received.
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And I remember always saying, even having been a formerly anonymous user and on of Twitter
00:31:04.200
myself, that we've never asked for any special favors.
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We just want a level playing field where then as he's digging under the hood of how Twitter
00:31:14.560
was set up before in the code, you would find that certain keywords and certain key phrases
00:31:19.740
would get you downlisted, would get you shadowbanned, which is completely real.
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That's another one of those conspiracy theories we were told about, or one of those things
00:31:27.420
we were told was a conspiracy theory that became true in all.
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And if you accumulated too many of these words or the volume of the words in a certain period
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of time, well, then your tweets, your posts would not be seen by anyone.
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You wouldn't even know that you were screaming into the void, but they would have done that
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So they realized that hasn't worked because Elon has tripped that off and I applaud him
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We are going to run into a threat of over information.
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I mean, if you can't censor information, then what's the best way to combat that?
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And the large majority of this is going to come about because of AI.
00:32:09.440
So you will see AI generated, and I see it all day, I see it every single day, where
00:32:15.100
there are not only AI generated posts and comments and sentiments, but entire AI generated
00:32:22.500
bot networks, where the old bot networks that used to be paid by the likes of Media Matters
00:32:28.260
and David Brock and American Bridge and all these different organizations, they used to
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be very clumsy and very, very clunky and very obvious when you were when you were dealing
00:32:36.240
with a bot network, because they all talk the same, they all sounded the same.
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Now what they're doing is people will go out and purchase batch accounts, aged accounts.
00:32:44.820
So usually you could look to one of the easiest checks on a fake account would be to say, okay,
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well, this account was created five days ago or one week ago.
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What they'll do now is because the internet and social media have been around for a decade
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And so they'll buy an aged account of someone who is a former user, and that the account
00:33:06.540
is sitting out there, and there's a whole black market for these.
00:33:09.540
So bad actors, intelligence agents, terrorist networks, whoever you want, will go out and
00:33:15.300
They're not just political, they can use it for anything.
00:33:17.260
I just know more from the political side and the news side, they'll purchase these networks,
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then you can flash change all of them to make it look like a certain audience.
00:33:26.020
So I could say, I want these people to look like liberals, I want these people to look
00:33:30.620
like conservatives, I want them to look like Trump supporters, veterans, take your pick,
00:33:35.080
and or perhaps some underserved group in the Middle East, and suddenly we're going to make
00:33:39.600
it look like they flooded Twitter to put out some message that then if you're just using
00:33:45.280
Twitter like myself, or you're sitting member of Congress, or you're in the Senate, you're
00:33:49.940
scrolling Twitter, you're saying, oh my gosh, look at all these people, I've got to react.
00:33:56.020
Those people exist at the push of a button, and now using chat GPT, or sometimes even
00:34:00.940
Brock natively, you can generate responses, conversations with people who don't actually
00:34:09.580
And I see this becoming a major threat, because if you are someone, let's say you're someone
00:34:13.180
who's an independent media, or let's say, you know, for somehow that there's an actual
00:34:18.480
truthful, truth-seeking journalist who's out there, wants to be an honest journalist, you're
00:34:23.040
going out trying to understand sentiment in the world, and yet you have no idea how to
00:34:28.100
tell whether or not someone is real, or the person that you're interacting with, a complete
00:34:33.320
phantom that only exists as a deus ex machina creation of the system.
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And I really see that being a huge threat going forward.
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What you're saying is the whole thing might just be the matrix.
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And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, give a round of applause to the entire panel.