00:08:10.400Even something as ordinary as your phone service starts to matter more in moments like these.
00:08:15.100The people you trust to protect and defend your communication matter just as much as the calls you make on it, as what Patriot Mobile is all about.
00:08:23.000For more than 12 years, they've stood with Americans who want their money to reflect their values back in the Christian conservative movement and showing up for the movement Charlie helped build.
00:09:06.460And, you know, you know, it's amazing is, you know, there's already, of course, people now who, you know, are going around saying that, oh, you know, Jack, you didn't see what you saw in the courtroom.
00:09:20.860You didn't see that video. You didn't see what what was on there.
00:09:25.180You didn't see this. I'm like, no one is going to tell me that I didn't see what I saw.
00:09:31.220So let's just leave it right there. That's number one.
00:09:33.700No one is going to tell me that I didn't see what I saw, okay?
00:09:38.820And I have enough training, experience, and background with firearms
00:09:44.240to know that when you see a man who is in a prone firing position,
00:09:49.900take that position, aim, then flinch, then get up,
00:09:55.540an entire body flinches, then get up and run away,
00:09:58.980I know that means a shot was just fired.
00:10:01.980i think a five-year-old would know what that means so no i'm not going to play this game of
00:10:09.260being like whoa you know no we're not going to play that game and there are other people
00:10:13.520who saw it as well local news is saying they saw it so please we're not going to play that game
00:10:19.000uh we're here live though and and really really glad that he's here in uh in the room with us
00:10:24.360we got nick sorter what's up nick well um happy to be here not happy with the circumstances
00:10:29.840And, you know, but obviously it's important that as many of us that can come out to support the, you know, Erica and, you know, the Turning Point USA family.
00:10:39.840Yeah. And it's just amazing to me that there are people now who are attacking the evidence that was played in court because, you know, you can play that game for a little bit, but this is eventually going to be released publicly.
00:10:52.320just like people attacked all the evidence that had existed for the last 10 months and then it
00:10:58.140comes out in court and here's lance twigs on tv on on video telling you what he did guess what
00:11:04.880the video is going to come out eventually and what do you think is going to happen there so
00:11:08.680i mean people could play games and do whatever but again i'm i know what i saw um i don't even
00:11:15.540think i'm the first person who um said it publicly as a matter of fact and it kind of reminds me of
00:11:21.180you know I saw there were some people saying that you know that Tyler Robinson wasn't actually
00:11:26.600laughing in court on the first day and when he was laughing I saw it in real time and I just
00:11:34.240sort of made a like I'll never forget seeing him laughing in court in front of Charlie's crying
00:11:41.200wife and mother and I didn't even know because we don't have our phones were in there I didn't know
00:11:47.320that the other reporters had tweeted out and was going viral
00:20:01.000I want to just, by the way, say again, thank you to our friends at Allegiance Gold for
00:20:04.740providing us the security that they have all week while we're here.
00:20:08.840And Nick, you know, you've been sort of watching this.
00:20:12.220So let's let's zoom out. We were just talking about a zoomed in video, but let's zoom out and just sort of talk about from your perspective.
00:20:19.360I'm not I'm I'm in the courtroom, not sort of in the online sphere.
00:20:23.980How do you think this week went in terms of not the court, but the court of public opinion?
00:20:29.700It was an absolute demolition, obviously, that most of my life is spent when I'm not doing an on the ground story.
00:20:34.940I'm monitoring chatter online, seeing how the public on all social media platforms are responding to certain things.
00:20:41.720i mean the court of public opinion i was shocked at some of the people uh that were all of a sudden
00:20:47.940like help you know i can name one sean strickland go look at his page right now it's like i mean he
00:20:53.060pretty much you know went from totally conspiratorial that this is a a big conspiracy i
00:20:59.160don't know exactly what his his views were but that tyler robertson hadn't done it right and
00:21:03.740just based on how he was he was skeptical oh yeah he was more than skeptical and now all of a sudden
00:21:09.440And he's, you know, he watched a lot of the same live stream coverage that, you know, the general public did.
00:21:16.620And even from that, watching Lance Twiggs testify under oath, under penalty of perjury, the story matches up perfectly.
00:21:26.700This is one of the things that I, and I'm sure people, I forgot I was wearing a NASA hat.
00:21:30.280So I guess whatever, oh, I see where you're going.
00:21:33.200yeah um uh what other case though do you have someone who's the significant other testifying
00:21:40.940against them uh like you just i can't i can't even think of one where you've got like a girlfriend
00:21:46.820or a wife or a husband that's testifying against their significant other i've just
00:21:51.980i think it's unprecedented i just think it's unprecedented and so this isn't
00:21:58.240jack was so big saying it it's not nick sorter saying it it's not uh you know the emir of qatar
00:22:04.360saying it or whatever right it's this is the person who knew tyler robinson the most and in
00:22:10.960fact his parents as well who are in the courtroom and you know this is this has got to be hell for
00:22:16.420them they were the ones who turned him in and they haven't gone to the cameras and said you guys got
00:22:23.220it all wrong and our son they you know they haven't done that don't these are the people who are
00:22:27.440closest to him that's all i'm saying that needs to be drilled home and when the the text messages
00:22:31.840were being shown talking about grandpa's rifle that's when you know his tyler robinson's mom
00:22:37.100started breaking down crying when those text messages were being shown you're not going to
00:22:41.620break down if it's a fake text message you're going to be outraged right if you have that
00:22:47.040emotional response that you believe that it's true you're probably going to start crying you
00:22:50.520know because that's sentimental stuff right uh and i'm not saying that that's evidence of guilt
00:22:54.980necessarily but to me and i'll just say that as a parent you know you give your son
00:23:01.480a family heirloom because you want them to carry on the legacy of the family it's it's your hope
00:23:09.120for the future it's your the you know the flag that you're planting in time that my life was
00:23:15.020worth something and the people who came before me will now live on through you and that when you
00:23:20.500So giving over like a family rifle like that is an example of something that, hey, you know, since 1938, or at least it was designed whenever it was, that that was the reason, I'm sure, that they gave it to their son, not to do something like this.
00:23:38.340Right. You know, and the grand conspiracies that we've been hearing for, I guess, since September.
00:23:45.680Just real quick, my father has his father's World War II rifle with the bayonet.
00:23:54.520And in our family, along with all of my grandfather's World War II memorabilia from having served,
00:24:02.020those are some of the most just sacred things that we have with that kind of service and that kind of background on it.
00:24:10.740So, I mean, you take special care of those things.
00:24:13.700And knowing that it's in the center of a high-profile assassination now, it's just – I can't even imagine.
00:24:21.140But, you know, you and I have seen –
00:24:34.300And they're not going out in front of the cameras and saying anything.
00:24:37.120It's not like Carmelo Anthony's parents who are out there every freaking day being like, my boy didn't do nothing.
00:24:42.200Vikram Digwa, the from Henry Novak, you know, when his family is trying to help him cover it up and lying to the police and all of this, they seem like decent, honorable people.
00:24:58.000Just in my brief, you know, having spent time with them, they seem like they seem like decent people.
00:25:03.100Yeah, I mean, they're there to support their son. At the end of the day, it is still their son. So you can't blame them for showing up. But they do seem to be pretty respectable.
00:25:11.600But, you know, the point that I want to make about, you know, all these theories that have gone back for, you know, since I guess September, late September of last year is when this stuff like started coming up with.
00:25:22.460Not even late September. You had people that were making claims about this while Charlie's body was still in the SUV. Right. And and that's why just just as a guy who says, let's follow the evidence, regardless of being close to it.
00:25:37.520It's I just want to know what actually happened, not what people think happened, what people want to have happened, what people speculate happened.
00:25:45.880Show me the evidence. And guess what? That's what we saw this week.
00:25:49.740And the evidence. Only points in one direction.
00:25:53.700Yeah, absolutely. And looking, seeing the inside of both state and federal governments at this point under both administrations, all of the people that would need to be involved, the Egyptian plane thing.
00:26:05.620I don't even know what the hell happened to that at this point.
00:26:08.300But all of these people that would have to be involved for this to be some grand conspiracy that, you know, this guy is a patsy and everything is fabricated.
00:26:19.820The government is not competent enough to do that.
00:26:22.060There's too many people involved in something like that.
00:26:28.860The government, it would be easier for them to land on the moon than to fake landing on the moon.
00:26:33.140And how are you going to get all of the people to be on the same the same page from not just the boyfriend, but to the parents, to the the ring videos that we're getting now, the doorknob videos that line up with exactly what everyone else is saying that they've investigated.
00:26:52.600So, you know, if you think again, if you think the government is that powerful, I mean, I would love if we could use that power to just deport all the illegals.
00:27:01.180If we could focus on that, I would love to be talking about that much more than being here in Utah and having to do any of this.
00:27:06.780I want to do this. I hate every moment of this, but I appreciate having friends like you and family like my brother coming out and helping.
00:27:13.780Appreciate you, sir. Keep up the good work.
00:27:15.160Thanks so much, Nick. God bless you and everyone. We will be right back with more human events primetime here in Provo, Utah.
00:27:22.600never ever stop fighting no matter what we will achieve american greatness we are just getting
00:27:43.640start. Welcome back to Human Events, special primetime coverage of the Tyler Robinson
00:28:00.540hearing live here in Provo, Utah. And before we get started, I'd like to thank Allegiance
00:28:04.860of Gold, our partners there for making this special coverage possible. But covering a
00:28:08.940trial like this from the scene, it takes a lot behind the scenes too, including the
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00:28:18.960a big part of making that possible and we are so grateful for it look spending time here also
00:28:23.780reminds me that security means different things to different people and for us this week it's
00:28:28.900physical security on location but for all of us it's also about financial security doing what we
00:28:35.940can to protect our families and what we've worked hard to build that's why i'm especially thankful
00:28:42.240for Allegiance Gold. We've been working
00:28:44.260together for the past five years, and relationships
00:29:12.100covering this trial. We've had her on for other cases in the past, but I want to get her on for
00:29:18.620this. It's Lyndon Blake. She's the host of That's So Criminal over at Daily Wire. Lyndon, how are
00:29:23.980you? It's good to see you again. Good to see you too, Jack. How are you?
00:29:29.860Well, I have to admit, you know, it's only, it's very fresh seeing this new video that
00:29:38.120was just played in court i i i really really implore the judge or whoever's decision it is
00:29:45.580to make it public um everyone needs to see this everyone needs to see this video because this was
00:29:52.600the single biggest piece of evidence that came out this week and the fact that it's only out in
00:29:58.940the courtroom it's just it's not good it's just not good enough everybody needs to see this because
00:30:04.380i mean you you and that's it's very hard to watch um i mean you you see him crawl over
00:30:11.940prone position waiting waiting and then taking the shot and and running away and it's and it's
00:30:22.160right there it's right there on video and that's why transparency in the courtroom is so important
00:30:28.100And even though this wasn't shown on the live stream, I'm so thankful that you were there.
00:30:34.180The Kirk family, as painful as it has to be to watch your loved one's final moments,
00:30:40.380for them to be able to see what is out there is so important.
00:30:46.560And what is something to think about, Jack, is this just being a probable cause hearing?
00:30:52.500We don't even know what other evidence the prosecution has.
00:30:57.100Surely they're keeping some things close to their chest that they plan to bring out if this goes to trial because the burden to prove a probably Tyler Robinson did it is so low for the prosecution.
00:31:10.700And I want to ask you, and speaking of new evidence that could be introduced, when you were watching this enhanced video, this clear zoomed in video, did you notice a phone or anything in the video?
00:31:23.920because that's something else that could ping Tyler Robinson there.
00:31:31.900So it's something, you can actually see the phone even in the raw video.
00:31:37.420You don't need the one that's, it's not even enhanced.
00:31:40.660It's just zoomed in in a couple spots.
00:31:42.320It's not like, it's not a different video.
00:31:44.280It's just zoomed in so that you can see what he's doing on the roof.
00:31:48.680and you've already so you know the end of the sorry you know the part of the video where he's
00:31:55.140he's running across and then he he drops down and he like runs runs off the grass with the gun
00:32:00.320so it's it's the beginning part of that video so it's it's the the moments you know a couple
00:32:06.420minutes right before that before he takes the shot that's what you see so the quality is pretty much
00:32:11.640the same as that. But the video you can see in the courtroom is so much better quality than what
00:32:19.200you can see on these live streams. And that's why I really, really implore the system, the judicial
00:32:24.720system here in Utah to release those videos to the public so that we can all see high quality.
00:32:30.020Yes, he's on his phone. He has his phone in his hand. It's not pixelated at that point. It's not
00:32:35.800zoomed in. That's just a regular high quality surveillance camera of him when he's sort of
00:32:40.040walking in those stairwells and the walkway from the parking structure. So he's clearly got a phone
00:32:46.320in his hand at multiple points. Wow. So yeah, I mean, that's just something else that could be
00:32:52.160presented if this goes to trial, which we know in other cases is just something that is hard to
00:32:57.740deny that cell phone location where that is pinging right there is just something to think
00:33:03.180about. And I saw another reporter that was there at the courthouse in Utah bring that up that
00:33:09.340if if the defense if if that wasn't tyler robinson and that video or the defense thought they could
00:33:16.580prove that that wasn't it because of cell phone you would think in a probable cause hearing
00:33:21.140they would bring that up in court this week but they didn't they had to stick to nitpicking dna
00:33:27.280trying to create doubt and the methods there and going after the ballistics experts and trying to
00:33:32.980just create doubt and create confusion from their expert witness to try to you know make that
00:33:38.900yeah and and i want to be clear about what you're talking about so the defense didn't challenge any
00:33:47.420of the hard evidence other than what you just said so all the other pieces of hard evidence and
00:33:52.480they even admitted mr novak said at one point i wrote it down yesterday when he did um that the
00:33:57.880text messages and discord messages were sent by tyler robinson he stipulated that at one point
00:34:03.380And when when they're going after Michael Burt and he does these long, drawn out recitations about the DNA and the ballistics, he's not actually, you know, talking.
00:34:18.380It's not even that he's going after the DNA in this case.
00:34:21.240He's going after the entire science of DNA.
00:34:25.400Like, do you believe in DNA science or not?
00:34:29.540Do you believe in ballistic science or not?
00:34:31.620So even then, this is sort of a and I've looked at his background a little bit.
00:34:35.540This is what he always does in cases, especially capital cases and murder cases.
00:34:39.880He's been doing it since the 1990s. He comes from a time he got started as a lawyer in a time when DNA was brand new.
00:34:47.860And these types of arguments, like in the O.J. case, were, you know, they were accepted more by juries to say, oh, this this DNA and I touch something.
00:34:57.800And suddenly you can tell that I touched it and it's not a fingerprint. You know, that used to work in sort of the pre CSI effect era of America, late 90s or so. But but these days, you know, most people accept DNA science and most people also accept ballistic science.
00:35:17.140So the idea that they're challenging the very underlying science itself, I just from a personal level, I don't think that any jury is really going to be swayed by that.
00:35:28.120Yeah. And to your point about Novak, bringing up the Discord chats, I was watching some of this preliminary hearing with a friend that is a practicing attorney.
00:35:38.980And when they were trying to get the redactions out of the Lance Twiggs video recording, which I know we're about to get into that,
00:35:48.080I thought it was interesting that the defense, in a way, they were trying to protect something.
00:35:54.000But in order to try to protect it, they had to reveal what it was, even though they tried to play it off as well.
00:35:59.380The prosecution will call this a confession. But in many ways, it was like, OK, you were trying to prevent a portion of the video that you think will be viewed as a confession from playing.
00:36:11.300But you trying to prevent it is letting the world know that's kind of peeling back the curtain that in that video, Lance Twig says that Tyler Robinson did some sort of confession.
00:36:21.980I thought that was a part of this preliminary hearing that was interesting to watch the defense try to do their job and try to to get stuff protected.
00:36:30.060But in the act of doing that, some new information that we haven't heard got out.
00:36:35.920yeah and and and look you know i i suppose i understand why the defense wanted to um block
00:36:47.080this video from being played because this is the significant other of tyler robinson coming forward
00:36:53.940and say yes tyler robinson killed charlie kirk and not only do i know that he did it but he told me
00:37:00.580that he did it he told me multiple times over the phone on text message and at least one time
00:37:05.920in person with this this new meeting that we i don't think we knew about before that they met
00:37:11.600in person uh on september 11th the day after the shooting at um they say apartment here in utah by
00:37:20.500the way it's more of a townhouse um but i don't get why they do that here um i've noticed other
00:37:26.340people doing it too it's it's multiple levels it's it's much more than just an apartment um but
00:37:31.380but they had that meeting after the fact that twigs is talking about where tyler was pacing
00:37:37.080around the room frantically and and confessed yet again that he was the one who did it we're coming
00:37:44.600up on a quick break here at linen i'd love to hold you over because we do need to get
00:37:48.220into more of this uh we're here jack was a big day five real america's voice
00:42:35.540And I know Twig said that's when Robinson started crying and saying that he wished he hadn't done it,
00:42:41.580which I know had to be just a shiver had to go down the Kirk's family's spine to be in there
00:42:49.080when that was being played, to hear those words that know that he wished he hadn't done it.
00:42:54.680But I would just say that is such a casual interaction for the magnitude of the crime
00:43:03.720that was committed against Charlie Kirk on September 10th and even their conversations
00:43:09.400prior. Jack, I know you brought up that it really stuck with you when Twigs was talking about
00:43:16.920Tyler Robinson engraving bullets at their home, talking about how he was just doing it to go
00:43:22.200hunting, just a casual activity with his family. And then it turned into a horrible situation where
00:43:31.540now you have Tyler Robinson accused of the murder of Charlie Kirk with his wife on the line.
00:43:39.400And by the way, there was a there was a moment today during the evidence presented by, I believe, was the F or excuse me, the ATF DNA technician where they were talking about the Dremel.
00:43:54.940And this was a tool, of course, that did the etching of the bullets itself where and this was a defense witness.
00:44:02.340But the defense brought up the fact that according to the report and the way they show the reports, we can't even really read them.
00:44:09.600I mean, they say it's in the courtroom, but, you know, I can't read it because it's it's all the way across the room.
00:44:14.140And like my eyes, it's decent, but it's not that good.
00:44:16.140they said though that there was a match to lance twigs on the buttons of that dremel tool now
00:44:26.260if this was a shared tool you know um you know that i'm sure you know he could say there's a
00:44:33.600million reasons that his dna would be on that um that he would have been using it that aren't
00:44:38.600related to etching the bullets, but that was very interesting to hear that his DNA was found on the
00:44:46.640very tool that made those etchings, um, as the state has, um, brought up in court as, as was
00:44:53.900Tyler Robinson's. And so, you know, there are a lot of people and I certainly as well have questions
00:44:59.700as to whether or not twigs actually knew about this or didn't prior to, uh, prior to this
00:45:07.680happening and um i i guess i'll just say you know we haven't we haven't got the answers quite
00:45:15.300as much as we want on all of those questions and it's something where i you know or even during
00:45:21.400his interview when he said oh we never discussed lgbt issues i mean like really you you never
00:45:27.440discussed that even though he would pop off about politics and obviously you two are in a relationship
00:45:32.760And, you know, one of them was driven so far as to go and commit this act while he's engraving things like Bella Chow, which is the Antifa anthem and hey, fascist catch on these bullets.
00:45:44.840It almost seems to me that the the effect of the political radicalization is trying to be minimized.
00:45:55.760And and yeah, just that that evidence about the DNA being on that etching was it was very interesting to me.
00:46:02.760Oh, yeah. I think that Lance Twiggs has been the mystery character during the last 10 months.
00:46:09.680I mean, he has been the one where people are saying, who is this guy? What did he know? What did he not know? Where has he been? What was his relationship with Tyler beyond being his lover? What is going on?
00:46:23.520And so when his name was first brought up in court as having DNA on that towel and screwdriver, and this was days ago, it was like, oh, like, oh, wow.
00:46:34.700Like this, this person, this, that we've known his name since September is he's in the courtroom now.
00:46:43.560And then hearing his statement and hearing that his DNA was on a lot of other tools.
00:46:48.520I mean, obviously they did share a house together and DNA is so complicated.
00:46:52.560And I thought the expert witness today, Caitlin Oliver, did such a good job for the ATF of explaining when she was pressed and pressed and pressed about her methods.
00:47:02.960She was saying, look, I can tell you that the DNA profile found on the rifle is one in a trillion times more likely to match Tyler Robinson's than another unknown profile on that rifle.
00:47:17.240and then she even flipped it and said there is less than a one in trillion chance that that DNA
00:47:24.480profile on that rifle belongs to another unknown profile. That is, you're never going to hear
00:47:32.680100% certainty with DNA if you followed any crime case. DNA is so complicated,
00:47:41.000but the DNA being found on all parts of that rifle, different parts that heavily match in a
00:47:49.020strong ratio to Tyler Robinson, to me, even though that was the defense witness, I thought the
00:47:57.120prosecution did a great job in cross-examining her and getting those facts out. I think you're
00:48:01.060right. Lyndon, we are just, unfortunately, just running out of time. Where can people go to
00:48:07.040follow you and get more uh more of your info of course i'm always on daily wire we have a podcast
00:48:12.480that's a criminal where we break it down and you can follow me at lyndon blake jack thank you so
00:48:17.360much god bless and god bless everyone out there ladies and gentlemen as always you have my