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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.300 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:46.020 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:49.000 Christ is king.

00:00:50.620 It's a dangerous moment for the United States of America when the president and his loyalists

00:00:55.020 use every lever of power to silence United States senators for speaking up.

00:01:01.480 The White House has made it very clear.

00:01:03.120 The orders that come from the commander in chief and the secretary of war have been upheld as lawful,

00:01:08.900 suggesting otherwise creates confusion and weakens our national security.

00:01:12.880 For these senators and members of Congress to come forward and use their status as veterans

00:01:17.540 to proclaim in some way that they are allowed to stand in the chain of command is treasonous.

00:01:24.280 President Trump ups the rhetoric against Somali immigrants in Minnesota.

00:01:27.960 This comes after prosecutors uncovered fraud that largely benefited parts of the state's community.

00:01:32.720 They say 59 people have been convicted in those schemes and more than $1 billion has been stolen from taxpayers.

00:01:39.540 Somalians ripped off that state for billions of dollars, billions, every year, and they contribute nothing. 1.00

00:01:49.680 I don't want them in our country, I'll be honest with you, okay?

00:01:52.300 Somebody would say, oh, that's not politically correct.

00:01:54.420 I don't care.

00:01:55.160 Their country stinks, and we don't want them in our country. 1.00

00:01:58.620 I could say that about other countries, too.

00:02:00.540 The Trump administration now pausing all immigration applications from 19 countries it determined to be high risk.

00:02:06.840 This comes in the wake of the Washington, D.C. shooting of two National Guards members, allegedly by an Afghan national.

00:02:13.220 And according to reports, the administration may not be done with this list, possibly growing to 30 countries.

00:02:19.720 President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth both defending the administration's boat strike campaign

00:02:25.840 while also distancing themselves from the most explosive detail.

00:02:29.560 The second strike that killed the survivors of that September 2nd attack in the Caribbean.

00:02:35.020 At a cabinet meeting Tuesday, both men insisted they didn't know a follow-up strike had even happened.

00:02:41.000 Somebody asked me a question about the second strike.

00:02:43.360 I didn't know about the second strike.

00:02:44.740 I didn't know anything about people.

00:02:46.460 I wasn't involved in it.

00:02:47.460 I knew they took out a boat.

00:02:49.120 But I would say this.

00:02:51.040 They had a strike.

00:02:53.200 I watched that first strike live.

00:02:55.380 As you can imagine, at the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do.

00:02:58.000 So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs.

00:03:06.060 All right.

00:03:06.700 This is Jack Posobiec.

00:03:07.800 We are live.

00:03:08.780 Human Events Daily.

00:03:09.760 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:03:12.620 We are here live at the Department of War, the Pentagon itself.

00:03:17.680 And we're very excited to be sitting down with Commander Tim Parlatour.

00:03:21.380 He is also Senior Advisor to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.

00:03:26.400 Commander, thank you so much for joining us.

00:03:27.740 Thank you.

00:03:28.580 Tell us, we've been here.

00:03:30.620 We've been conducting interviews throughout the week.

00:03:32.820 We got to meet with the Secretary earlier today.

00:03:38.120 Talk to us about this new, you know, this sort of new transparency, this new welcoming that the Department is offering for the new media corps.

00:03:46.500 Yeah, I think we're very excited to have, you know, the new media in here.

00:03:50.900 You know, we went through, you know, quite a process with the legacy media and the Pentagon Press Association to try to implement reasonable regulations because building access is a privilege, not a right.

00:04:05.540 And I think that they had considered it to be a right.

00:04:09.140 And so when we went through all that and ultimately, whether it was a negotiating tactic or something else, they all decided to leave or, as Kenzo likes to call, self-deport.

00:04:19.720 And I think that they really thought that that was going to be something that would cause us to say, oh, OK, well, we'll pull back the policy because we really do want, you know, you in this building.

00:04:30.140 But the reality is we didn't need that.

00:04:33.560 And so, you know, to have new media come in who are, you know, really covering this department, you know, not in just the way that we want to, but you guys have been really asking good, hard, fair questions and putting out the truth of what the department is actually doing.

00:04:48.880 So we're very excited about that and want to build that relationship.

00:04:51.840 You know, since since I've been in the building on Monday and I keep waiting for it, you know, nobody's handed me my script of prepared questions.

00:05:01.120 No one's handed me my this is what we want you to ask about it.

00:05:04.880 It just doesn't happen.

00:05:06.920 Right.

00:05:07.420 Exactly.

00:05:08.080 And that's a lot of that is a misunderstanding of what the old policy was.

00:05:12.660 And, you know, we the initial policy draft policy that went out, it was admittedly imprecise.

00:05:20.000 And that's why I came in to edit it to make it much more clear.

00:05:23.400 But a lot of the things that they were saying were in there just didn't exist.

00:05:27.120 You know, the idea of having to preclear stories, you know, through the department that used to be the policy in this building.

00:05:34.120 Really?

00:05:34.660 In the 1940s, back when this building was first built, press passes were handled through the Office of Censorship.

00:05:40.100 And so everybody signed this thing, this different era, this that they had to submit all of their writings to the Department of War Office of Censorship for pre-publication review.

00:05:52.100 You all had to maintain physical standards, too, because you had to go out in the field with the troops.

00:05:56.680 Hey, hey, I'm there.

00:05:57.740 I'm there.

00:05:58.340 Let's go.

00:05:59.000 But that hasn't been the rule since the 50s.

00:06:01.560 And so when we put out this new policy, we put in there very explicitly that the department employees and the military members are not allowed to release non-public information without it being pre-cleared, you know, through the appropriate office.

00:06:18.640 The media misinterpreted that as we were saying that they weren't allowed to do it.

00:06:23.640 And the reality is that was not even a policy.

00:06:26.960 OK, that's Congress.

00:06:28.360 Congress passed laws that says government employees are not allowed to disclose non-public confidential information, not just classified.

00:06:36.860 When I was in a very similar uniform to yours, that was absolutely something that we had to get, and we took training on it every year, and it was very well understood.

00:06:48.000 And so we had to be clear that this is the rules regarding department personnel so that the media would understand it is a crime for them to do that.

00:06:58.200 And so if you're asking a department employee to commit a crime, you're soliciting a crime, building access is a privilege, not a right.

00:07:09.280 And if you're soliciting crimes, you don't get the privilege of being in the building.

00:07:12.720 And that's really, at its core, what that instruction was about.

00:07:17.640 And ultimately, while they did this whole performative walkout, you know what they did?

00:07:22.100 We are coming up on our first break.

00:07:24.320 We'll be right back here from the Pentagon.

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00:07:44.740 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live from the Department of War from within the bowels of the five-sided puzzle palace, the Pentagon itself.

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00:09:16.680 We're on with Commander Tim DeParlator.

00:09:19.040 Commander.

00:09:19.900 I keep wanting to call you Tim.

00:09:20.800 But no, it's Commander.

00:09:21.460 It's Commander.

00:09:21.880 You're in uniform.

00:09:23.560 We can go back to Tim tomorrow.

00:09:25.120 We can go back to Tim tomorrow when you're off duty.

00:09:27.600 We saw this.

00:09:30.460 Actually, guys, do we have that clip?

00:09:31.820 Do we have that clip of Senator Kelly?

00:09:34.120 And we're pulling up a clip here for Senator Kelly because he had this video over the last couple of weeks where, as you were just saying, you know, about the regulations of federal workers, it sounded to me that he was soliciting information or leaks or insubordination.

00:10:02.000 And to my ears, it sounded like insubordination from members of the military and undermining the chain of command.

00:10:08.100 Now, as a retired Navy captain collecting a pension, he is still under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

00:10:18.300 I asked the press secretary, Wilson, yesterday, will there be an investigation?

00:10:24.500 We knew that there was.

00:10:26.020 She confirmed that that had been forwarded to Secretary Phelan over at the Navy.

00:10:31.540 And by the way, I was also – we were going to have him on today.

00:10:34.220 And we were also informed that he got pulled into the White House.

00:10:36.480 Don't know if it's about that.

00:10:37.680 But that's what – he was supposed to be here today.

00:10:40.980 And that – the timeline on that investigation is one week from today on December 10th.

00:10:48.060 Walk us through what types of things we could see coming out of that investigation.

00:10:54.040 Sure.

00:10:54.860 It's – that investigation or review is being done by the Navy.

00:10:59.180 I'm not a part of it.

00:11:00.200 Right.

00:11:00.800 But, you know, they're going to look at a bunch of things.

00:11:02.940 They're going to look at the facts of the case.

00:11:04.480 This is not something where you really need an investigation because it's all – it all happened publicly.

00:11:08.860 And so they need to do a good review of the law and see the range of options they have here.

00:11:19.160 OK.

00:11:19.280 It's not just about a court-martial.

00:11:21.940 You know, they could bring administrative penalties here.

00:11:24.560 They could – for example, they could reduce his pension.

00:11:27.600 They could potentially, you know, say he's being reduced to the rank of commander in his retirement and then, you know, just take his pension down.

00:11:35.140 But ultimately what they're going to do is they're going to make a decision not based on politics but based on the facts and the law as to what statutes that video violates, what are the impediments to a potential court-martial, and what makes the most sense in this case.

00:11:54.400 You know, one of the difficulties of court-martialing a sitting senator, the Constitution prohibits somebody from serving offices in two branches at the same time.

00:12:05.620 And so if a senator or congressman – yeah, there are members of congress that continue in the reserves.

00:12:11.380 That's a legislative branch.

00:12:12.320 But if any of them get pulled to active duty, then they're an officer in the executive branch.

00:12:17.440 Right.

00:12:17.980 And so then they can't serve both offices at the same time and it acts as a functional forced resignation from Congress or the Senate, which that could potentially bring all sorts of other separation of powers issues.

00:12:32.100 So, you know, I think that ultimately the Navy is going to make a well-reasoned decision and recommendation.

00:12:39.760 It could include administrative penalties as opposed to, you know, the full freight of a court-martial.

00:12:47.660 But then at the same time, you've got to remember the FBI has been looking into this.

00:12:51.460 There's also the DOJ side, you know, which applies to all six of them.

00:12:55.720 And so, you know, that's –

00:12:57.640 And that would be as a civilian.

00:12:58.780 Correct.

00:12:59.360 Correct.

00:12:59.680 And that's obviously outside of this department's control.

00:13:03.020 Incredible.

00:13:03.380 So this is something – and I appreciate though that the department is taking it absolutely seriously because it certainly is something that undermines good order and conduct.

00:13:12.440 And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about and that's what the secretary has always said that he wants to restore.

00:13:18.180 And we saw leaking even in the previous Trump administration from uniformed individuals that led to an impeachment process.

00:13:26.500 We saw, you know, honestly leaking of classified information, which, you know, did not result in any administrative corrections or punishments at all.

00:13:35.340 And so I understand the necessity for keeping it serious.

00:13:40.140 Because moving aside, you know, talking about other investigations, I did also receive information from Press Secretary Wilson yesterday regarding a phone call that was made between Secretary Hegseth and Senator Roger Wicker.

00:13:54.480 And this is the head of the Senate Armed Forces Committee.

00:13:57.460 He had come out and talked about opening an investigation into the secretary regarding a series or a drone strike or a series of drone strikes, depending on, you know, the parlance on that, that took place down in Venezuela.

00:14:13.040 When it comes to the legality of these strikes, now this is something – and I've said here on the program, just with my background as an intelligence officer, what I know about that strike just from open source reporting seems to be standard operating procedure.

00:14:26.460 It doesn't seem to be a differentiation for that.

00:14:28.980 But for the audience, could you walk us through what you're looking at there?

00:14:32.760 Sure.

00:14:32.960 So the initial strike, you know, that's – there's Office of Legal Counsel opinions that say we're allowed to do the initial strike.

00:14:40.800 Where the controversy comes in is this follow-on second strike.

00:14:44.520 And here you really need to do a very fact-intensive analysis of it because what The Washington Post did is, you know, after the video came out and, you know, the lack of an unlawful order, you know, they put out this, you know, fake narrative based on anonymous sourcing to try to pin an unlawful order on the secretary.

00:15:09.900 But the reality is he did not give any such order.

00:15:13.760 You know, the commander, Admiral Bradley, he made the decision, a command decision based on the information he had available to do a second strike.

00:15:22.060 Now, ultimately, you have to decide, is that second strike a legitimate military target?

00:15:27.360 And so here I'm going to draw a very serious distinction between the people and the boat, okay, because you have – initially you have a boat speeding along full of cocaine and people, and that is a lawful target.

00:15:42.400 You can blow it out of the water.

00:15:43.780 You can kill everybody on board.

00:15:45.020 No problem.

00:15:46.280 After that initial strike, you do a battle damage assessment and you make –

00:15:50.460 That's where us Intel guys come in.

00:15:52.080 And you make a decision of what to do next.

00:15:54.020 So if the boat is still floating and there's still cargo in it, it remains a lawful military target.

00:16:02.240 The goal was to put it to the bottom of the ocean.

00:16:06.080 Because they could be recovered.

00:16:07.780 Correct.

00:16:08.580 It could be recovered.

00:16:09.640 And there's a long history of this.

00:16:12.900 We've gone through that here on the program explaining this is something the Navy has done for quite some time in the Caribbean.

00:16:18.520 Well, even before that, we did it in World War II.

00:16:21.480 So we – Battle of Midway, we got one of the Japanese carriers.

00:16:26.020 It was totally out of the fight and full of wounded Japanese sailors.

00:16:30.160 But because it could have been towed back, the USS Nautilus continued to put torpedoes into it until it went to the bottom of the ocean.

00:16:38.300 The Japanese battleship Yamato, the largest battleship in history, same thing.

00:16:42.440 It was stricken.

00:16:43.120 It was listing and we continued to put dive bombers and torpedo planes onto it until it went to the bottom of the ocean with all of the wounded Japanese sailors on board because the goal was to sink the boat, not the people. 0.71

00:16:56.900 Now, if you have a boat that's on fire, full of cocaine, it's got a couple of narco terrorists on board. 0.94

00:17:06.160 Who knows what kind of weapon.

00:17:07.400 That are wounded.

00:17:08.960 That boat is still a target and he can shoot that.

00:17:12.840 Now, if the admiral sits there and says, I see two terrorists, I see two wounded terrorists on a – you know, floating in the middle of the ocean, I want to kill those terrorists.

00:17:24.200 That's potentially legally problematic.

00:17:26.680 But if he instead says, no, no, no, I see a boat full of cocaine that I was ordered to put to the bottom of the ocean.

00:17:32.880 I'm going to put it to the bottom of the ocean.

00:17:34.200 And one of his intel people, one of your types, grabs and says, oh, sir, sir, there's two wounded terrorists on board.

00:17:40.960 Well, that's collateral damage.

00:17:43.640 That's fine.

00:17:45.980 Even though the action is the same, you're still putting the exact same rocket into the exact same place.

00:17:51.220 If your intent is to kill the people, that's potentially a crime.

00:17:56.400 If your intent is to sink the boat, that's perfectly legal.

00:17:59.880 And I think that's where people have really gotten confused over this thing.

00:18:04.900 The law of war says that –

00:18:06.720 Which, by the way, is separate from an objective strike, which would be on, say, an HVT, high-value target terrorist, where that is and has been signed off by OLC.

00:18:17.000 The thing about shipwrecked people, OK, in the laws of war, you're not allowed to target people that have been shipwrecked.

00:18:25.260 And what that means is what the Japanese and Germans used to do to us of strafing American sailors in the water, shooting sailors that are swimming. 0.80

00:18:33.500 And that's a very different thing.

00:18:35.080 If he was shooting at terrorists that were swimming or clinging to a piece of wood.

00:18:40.000 Like Indianapolis.

00:18:41.200 Bingo.

00:18:41.860 Yeah.

00:18:41.980 Then that would have been a problem.

00:18:45.400 But if he's shooting the boat, then that's not a problem.

00:18:48.480 And that's, you know, where all the people are messing up their talking points and thinking that this is a war crime, when really this is perfectly permissible.

00:18:55.960 And another point, we're not throwing him under the bus because by Secretary Higgs saying, no, I didn't give him that order, that's not putting him in front of the bus.

00:19:03.700 That's saying you can't put him in jail for following a manifestly unlawful order.

00:19:08.180 Instead, you have to focus on, did he make the appropriate command decision based on the intelligence he had available to him?

00:19:14.440 He is allowing him to defend himself.

00:19:17.420 Commander, thank you so much for joining us here at Human Events Daily.

00:19:20.140 Incredible interview.

00:19:21.320 Fascinating.

00:19:21.880 Thank you so much for joining us from the Department of War here at the Pentagon.

00:19:25.040 You talk about influences, these are influences, and they're friends of mine, Jack Posobiec.

00:19:34.320 Where's Jack?

00:19:35.280 Jack, he's done a great job.

00:19:37.760 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live here, Human Events Daily.

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00:20:54.260 All right, folks, so we've got this new report that's out, and we'll have our next guest here in a minute.

00:21:00.300 We've got this new report out, the Pentagon IG report on the Signal app.

00:21:05.740 And AP is reporting, and CNN first reported earlier, regarding the use of Signal messaging app to convey information about a military strike against Houthi militants in Yemen.

00:21:17.060 Now, remember, this was back earlier in the administration, so a different drone strike than the one that we were just talking about.

00:21:23.360 So I do have some quotes that they've given us from Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell, and Sean will be joining us in a moment's time.

00:21:35.300 And so Sean has stated, says that it's a total exoneration, proves what we all knew.

00:21:40.700 No classified information was shared.

00:21:42.860 This matter is resolved, and the case is closed.

00:21:44.840 This is, again, I'm reading the statement.

00:21:47.000 The Signal narrative is old and worn out.

00:21:49.040 It's starting to resemble Joe Biden's media mental state.

00:21:51.600 The department stands behind its previous statements that no classified information was shared via Signal.

00:21:56.300 I'll skip down a little bit to a deeper point here.

00:22:00.440 It says, the review confirms what we said from the very beginning.

00:22:03.500 The Secretary of War did not share any classified information.

00:22:06.980 This review shows the Secretary is vindicated.

00:22:09.040 The IG found that no classified information was shared.

00:22:12.360 What it found instead is a bureaucracy desperate to weaponize process by leaking information because they knew it would hurt Secretary Hegseth.

00:22:20.080 And, of course, this is between Operation Rough Rider and Operation Midnight Strike.

00:22:24.380 And so the question, the report that's out from AP, and I'm putting these up against each other, said that it was sensitive information, potentially could have put U.S. personnel on the mission at risk.

00:22:37.100 However, Hegseth has the ability to declassify material as an originating classification authority, an OCA, and that they did not find that he did so improperly, according to people familiar with the report's findings.

00:22:55.800 The review by the IG has been delivered to the Capitol in the SCIF, and a partially redacted version of the report is expected to be released publicly later this week.

00:23:07.340 And so this has been one of the things from early on in the administration that has absolutely been a huge story, huge question.

00:23:20.880 The signal chat, the use of this chat, was it classified information?

00:23:24.240 Was it not classified information?

00:23:25.900 The signal, the text chain of people that were on the signal chat?

00:23:29.240 Of course, many people who were in there, it was almost the entire cabinet at the time, National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, who is now over at the U.N. as U.N. ambassador, I believe, and Vice President J.D. Vance, D.N.I. Gabbard, were all on this chat as well.

00:23:48.500 And so regarding the Houthi strikes, this was the question, was it classified information or was it sensitive information?

00:23:56.000 And of course, the issue being that Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic had been added to the chat.

00:24:01.420 And one of the questions that I still have, and at the time, I remember hitting up every single source that I had in the administration, just about everyone that I could find who had any idea what was going on here.

00:24:16.760 How was it that Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic was added to this signal chat?

00:24:21.920 People claimed it was by accident.

00:24:24.300 People claimed that it was just an oversight, that someone had him in their phone incorrectly.

00:24:30.720 I just don't buy that.

00:24:32.260 I've never bought that for a second, that he was added accidentally.

00:24:35.580 To me, it seemed deliberate.

00:24:37.500 I don't know who.

00:24:38.540 I was never able to get to the bottom of that, but I'll tell you right now.

00:24:41.320 That, to me, felt like some kind of operation where they wanted information.

00:24:47.400 And let's be clear, let's be clear.

00:24:49.400 This wasn't just some random figure in Washington, D.C. or somebody's.

00:24:55.300 You think about how many phone contacts you have in your phone, right?

00:24:58.520 A needle in a haystack.

00:24:59.840 You're getting someone with J and G initials.

00:25:02.600 Because sometimes if you use signal like I do, you know that you only sometimes see the initials when you get the actual contact in.

00:25:09.000 So my question was, if that's all you see, how was it that you get JG in there?

00:25:15.500 Sean Parnell, what's up again?

00:25:17.200 Come on in.

00:25:17.680 Get in here.

00:25:18.140 Get in here.

00:25:18.620 We got two minutes to the break.

00:25:19.840 You're coming in.

00:25:20.360 We're talking about your report right now.

00:25:23.360 And here he is, folks.

00:25:24.900 As promised, Sean Parnell, joining us right now on Human Events Daily.

00:25:29.680 And so this and we were looking and I and I said, look, you know, your office, not afraid of anything here, not afraid of serious questions.

00:25:38.260 We have about a minute till the break, but then we'll hold you after that.

00:25:41.440 OK.

00:25:41.860 And it's, you know, they said, hey, bring up the signal report.

00:25:45.200 Go ahead.

00:25:45.820 Yeah, totally.

00:25:46.420 I mean, so the signal report is out and it proves what we've known all along, that the secretary shared no classified information and he's totally exonerated.

00:25:58.720 And if you remember, Jack, back to the original narrative when the signal story broke.

00:26:04.940 It was March.

00:26:06.040 Yeah.

00:26:06.520 The fake narrative was that the secretary shared classified information and put troops at risk.

00:26:12.640 The IG report says specifically that the secretary shared no classified information.

00:26:19.020 So he's totally exonerated.

00:26:20.900 What we said back then was totally accurate.

00:26:23.240 It was a fake news narrative then.

00:26:25.900 And it's an exposed fake narrative now.

00:26:28.960 And it's done.

00:26:29.840 It's over with.

00:26:30.380 It's not eight months, eight months.

00:26:32.040 Well, and I even have the I even have the just because we're going up to the break.

00:26:36.220 I even have the AP is reporting here, which points out that the secretary himself does have the ability to declassify.

00:26:43.300 He's the secretary is an original classifier.

00:26:46.160 So, yeah.

00:26:46.940 So he can point to a document and say that this is unclassified.

00:26:50.680 But but the point is, and you're going to hear you're going to hear fake news outlets say that the secretary shared sensitive.

00:26:58.680 They're going to use the term sensitive because it's a meaningless term.

00:27:02.260 There's like sensitive is ill defined.

00:27:04.260 It's not a classification.

00:27:05.480 They're just using it to make the story sound scary and say that, oh, he sensitive information and he put troops lives in danger.

00:27:13.020 Well, how can that possibly be true when Operation Rough Rider was a resounding success?

00:27:19.800 Nobody wounded.

00:27:20.680 Nobody killed during that operation.

00:27:22.300 So don't buy the fake news narrative.

00:27:25.120 It's supposed to be good.

00:27:26.080 Yeah.

00:27:26.580 Where is Jack?

00:27:28.880 Where is Jack?

00:27:31.040 Where is he?

00:27:32.320 Jack, I want to see you.

00:27:35.980 Great job, Jack.

00:27:37.460 Thank you.

00:27:38.240 What a job you do.

00:27:39.660 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:40.840 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:27:48.320 All right, Jack, what's up?

00:27:49.300 We're back live from the five-sided Puzzle Palace here.

00:27:53.200 That is the Pentagon.

00:27:54.280 We're on with Sean Parnell.

00:27:56.800 He is the chief spokesman for the Pentagon.

00:27:59.960 And so, Sean, we were talking about the Signal Report.

00:28:02.560 And so the AP is out.

00:28:05.240 The media is out there.

00:28:06.620 The mainstream media, I should say.

00:28:07.680 And they're saying that Secretary Hegseth put U.S. personnel, put the mission at risk using the Signal messaging app to convey what they call sensitive information.

00:28:19.680 However, also points out that it is declassified.

00:28:23.800 What would the secretary say regarding – and I know you mentioned it before, but just since we have longer time.

00:28:28.560 What would he say in response or what would the office say in response that did this put U.S. personnel at risk?

00:28:34.460 Of course it didn't.

00:28:35.640 And the proof is in the pudding of the actual operation.

00:28:40.040 Operation Roughrider was wildly successful.

00:28:43.720 We achieved the desired end state.

00:28:46.380 No U.S. personnel were wounded or killed.

00:28:49.920 Operation Roughrider was wildly successful.

00:28:52.380 So, obviously, Americans' lives weren't put at unnecessary risk.

00:28:57.400 The secretary – I mean I've said it before and I'll say it again.

00:29:01.220 The secretary, when he's in these meetings and he's in these operational plans – in these operational planning sessions, he listens to uniformed military personnel.

00:29:11.740 He asks great questions.

00:29:13.440 And he adheres to and believes in the commander-in-chief and President Trump, which, by the way, is something that's different from the president's first term here in this building.

00:29:23.460 The secretary is a great, great advocate for the president, believes in him here in this building, and ultimately he's very decisive.

00:29:31.600 So, you're going to see a bunch of headlines that have come out about this signal stuff.

00:29:36.480 But the most important thing for the American people to know, Jack, is the – the narrative back then was that the secretary disclosed classified information and, therefore, because of that, broke the law.

00:29:48.800 That's not true.

00:29:49.700 The report found that the secretary did not share classified information and did not break the law.

00:29:55.300 And, in fact, one of the only things that the IG recommended was more cyber awareness training throughout the – so –

00:30:01.180 Not again.

00:30:01.860 Yeah, first of all –

00:30:02.860 Not again.

00:30:03.220 First of all, not again.

00:30:04.480 If you've been in the military, this is a little bit – it's very much an inside joke for the DOD cyber awareness 5.0.

00:30:12.840 Is it still 5.0?

00:30:14.480 When I'm 5.0, it's probably 10.0.

00:30:16.180 No.

00:30:16.840 I don't know.

00:30:17.560 But the point is, is obviously the IG report was not damning if the recommendation was simply more cyber awareness training.

00:30:26.020 And, no, I haven't seen the report yet.

00:30:27.560 You know, this is still kind of breaking as I've been on air.

00:30:29.660 Was there a section – did the IG get into – and I understand if this is beyond the purview – did the IG get into the inclusion of a mainstream media reporter in this signal chat, Jeffrey Goldberg from the –

00:30:44.880 They did not.

00:30:45.620 Yeah, they did not.

00:30:46.820 But, yeah, obviously there's still questions around how something like that could possibly happen.

00:30:52.200 But they did not.

00:30:54.240 But ultimately, for our purposes, the IG report totally exonerates Secretary Hanks.

00:30:58.820 He did not disclose classified information.

00:31:00.520 That's still been – and I'm just going to say it.

00:31:02.520 For someone who's done so much adversarial journalism against the – against President Trump and against members of his administration, this was the guy who came up with suckers and losers.

00:31:14.300 That guy.

00:31:16.500 And so to say that it was a random inclusion on a signal chat like this of that guy beyond – and I was going to say prior to when he walked in, I was – you actually cut me off when I was making my point that sometimes on signal you can only see the first two initials of the name.

00:31:33.420 And so, OK, JG, I've got lots of people in my phone that might start with a J or a G, a friend or a relative or whoever.

00:31:42.320 What are the odds that the person that comes in that has the J and the G is the guy who made up the suckers and losers hoax? 0.75

00:31:48.780 It just – it – that's the part where it just – it don't pass the smell test.

00:31:53.580 It don't.

00:31:54.740 He's one of the greatest hoaxers of President Trump's first term while President Trump was running.

00:32:00.940 And you're right.

00:32:02.820 It – I mean how the hell he gets added to a signal chat I think is beyond me, but he did.

00:32:11.100 And ultimately pushed yet another hoax with saying that the secretary disclosed classified information or classified work plans that put American troops at risk.

00:32:18.840 He did not.

00:32:19.660 Again, fully exonerated.

00:32:22.240 And ultimately, I mean that's what we said back then and that's what we're saying now.

00:32:26.920 And guess what?

00:32:27.540 We were right.

00:32:28.120 Now, that being said, you know, you mentioned communications.

00:32:33.820 Is there something that the DOD is working on beyond this to kind of – this platform to be able to work on with government devices to be able to have these high-level communications?

00:32:45.100 Because I remember taking a step back and thinking about it and saying when you have members of the cabinet, when you have them going all over the world working for the president, working on his administration, working on his priorities over the world, over the country, different parts, I can see the need for having a way to communicate electronically to be able to cut across all of the boundaries.

00:33:07.000 There's obviously a purpose for this.

00:33:09.020 It's such a great point.

00:33:10.600 Is there a way then to be able to meet that but also protect the Jeffrey Goldbergs of the world from getting information?

00:33:18.700 We are – I can tell you we are looking at that right now.

00:33:22.080 Okay.

00:33:22.220 But to your point, Jack, I mean it is critically important for us to be able to communicate at the speed of relevance on a 21st century battlefield.

00:33:32.900 Right.

00:33:33.140 And even – and I'll just say it because, you know, I'm not in uniform or in official capacity that – and I've been on the civetses and secure, you know, video contacts.

00:33:43.020 And it's – they're not quick.

00:33:46.260 They're not quick.

00:33:47.200 And in this – even in this building.

00:33:48.520 So I was an infantryman when I served in uniform.

00:33:52.020 He's not good with technology.

00:33:53.080 Yeah, you're right.

00:33:53.800 We just break things.

00:33:55.460 Breaks around you.

00:33:56.160 But I come into this building and I realize that most of the offices for senior government officials in this building are SCIFs.

00:34:04.000 So you can't have your phone in your office.

00:34:06.260 You can't communicate with the outside world but for on an office phone, which –

00:34:11.600 it's just – it's just antiquated and inefficient.

00:34:15.180 And the bottom line is if you're the secretary of war and the president of the United States is reaching out to talk to you,

00:34:22.800 you need a secure way to talk to him whether you're on the road, in the office.

00:34:25.640 I mean you can't talk when you're in the office because you're in a SCIFs. 0.93

00:34:28.300 I mean it's just –

00:34:29.100 And I guess I'll put it this way.

00:34:30.600 You know, Sean, I watched all these Hollywood movies and I see all these fancy gadgets that James Bond and Jack Ryan and all these people have.

00:34:40.460 Surely the secretary and the president have a line like that, right?

00:34:44.340 They – yes, they do have secure ways and secure cell phones that they can talk on.

00:34:50.120 But no, it's not like the movies.

00:34:52.040 It's not like the movies.

00:34:53.140 It's not like the movies.

00:34:54.140 Not at all.

00:34:54.940 No, and so it's not.

00:34:56.120 And so that's something where, you know, it seems to me that I kind of – I think I understand the situation because, you know,

00:35:02.980 having been an intelligence officer, I understand that this is – I don't even want to say publicly.

00:35:08.940 Some of the ways that I've communicated with people that have been in the field in the past, let's just say they're far less – far less secure than Signal.

00:35:19.660 Yeah, for sure.

00:35:20.420 But because of convenience.

00:35:22.940 Yeah, and so to your earlier question, like, of course we're looking at more modern –

00:35:27.540 You remember the calling cards?

00:35:28.520 Yes.

00:35:29.080 Yes.

00:35:29.620 Oh, my God.

00:35:30.420 So, yeah, of course we're looking at more modern, secure ways to communicate in real time because, as you said, the president doesn't sleep.

00:35:38.640 No.

00:35:38.820 The president is all over the world, all over the country.

00:35:41.680 The secretary is all over the world, all over the country and oftentimes working in a skiff.

00:35:45.140 So you have to be able to communicate on the fly, you have to be able to communicate at the speed of relevance on a battlefield that changes on a dime, and we're working on ways to develop and do that right now.

00:35:56.360 What is – now, I only have it for a couple more minutes.

00:35:59.660 I asked Press Secretary Wilson yesterday regarding this Senator Wicker and this situation over the U.S. Senate.

00:36:09.180 She said that there was a phone call between the secretary and Senator Wicker.

00:36:13.180 I think that was the first time that's been publicly acknowledged.

00:36:15.560 Can you tell us anything else about that phone call or the current status of all that?

00:36:19.740 So the secretary you're talking about with the investigation of Mark Kelly.

00:36:25.700 No, no, no, no, no.

00:36:26.280 This was regarding Senator Wicker potentially looking into war crimes.

00:36:31.840 Oh, oh, we're talking – yeah, we're talking another fake narrative, a fake war crimes narrative.

00:36:36.400 And this being the fact that it's a Republican senator.

00:36:38.900 Yeah.

00:36:39.140 So I'll tell you that the secretary a couple of days ago talked to Chairman Rogers on the Hask and talked to Chairman Wicker and those conversations went, as I understand it, very, very well.

00:36:53.500 And the narrative in the media that you see is that, oh, we don't talk to Congress enough.

00:36:58.520 I think there have been 13 briefings on Southcom operations with members of Congress to try to keep them in the loop.

00:37:04.520 But, yeah, I mean part of our job is to – the president has a mission.

00:37:10.660 He's told us that defense of the homeland is a main priority and a main pillar of that mission.

00:37:17.160 And part of it is stopping drugs, fentanyl, from flowing into our country.

00:37:23.260 And that's exactly what we're doing and we're going to keep doing it.

00:37:25.700 Is there any plan to have Secretary Hegseth head over to conduct briefings either classified or unclassified with the committees?

00:37:32.680 So I think Admiral Bradley is the then commander of JSOC and now the SOCOM commander is going to be on the Hill this week talking about it.

00:37:42.900 But like I said, the secretary is in regular contact with members of the Hask and the Sask and he's going to continue to do that.

00:37:50.380 But we're also going to continue to get after this mission because it's important to protect our homeland.

00:37:54.160 You know, like we are the first Department of Defense, Department of War that's actually prioritized defending the homeland.

00:38:01.140 You remember some of the images of our southern border under Biden, like where the military is being overwhelmed and illegals are streaming into the country?

00:38:06.740 I don't think I'll ever forget them.

00:38:08.300 It's kind of crazy, right, that it just took a president with a spine like President Trump was saying.

00:38:13.020 It wasn't an act of Congress.

00:38:13.920 Bring it all to a stop.

00:38:15.100 Don, we are – they're calling us out.

00:38:17.840 End of time.

00:38:18.340 Thanks, man.

00:38:19.020 Catch you next time.

00:38:19.800 All right.

00:38:20.260 All right.

00:38:20.520 Sounds good, Jack.

00:38:21.180 Good to see you, man.

00:38:21.640 Thank you.

00:38:22.580 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:28.580 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:30.320 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:31.500 Go get it.

00:38:32.660 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:36.580 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great.

00:38:39.240 Amen.

00:38:44.260 All right, Jack Kosobuk back live here.

00:38:46.700 Human Events daily live in Washington.

00:38:50.060 It's actually Arlington, Virginia, just adjacent to Washington, D.C. at the office of the Secretary of War, also known as the Pentagon.

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00:40:56.520 All right, folks.

00:40:57.200 So that is where we are at.

00:40:59.540 We're waiting for our next guest to join us, and I believe he'll be here soon.

00:41:04.600 But, you know, I want to just point that out again because the secretary's office came in the room during the break right here just now.

00:41:14.980 I want to tell you what just happened.

00:41:16.060 So the signal story's out.

00:41:17.720 Secretary's office comes in the room, walks in, and gives me this piece of paper and says,

00:41:23.700 we have an update for you on the Signal IG report.

00:41:27.620 We want this in right now.

00:41:28.720 And I said, okay, do you want, you know, do you want me to bring this up?

00:41:32.380 And they said, well, when Sean Parnell comes in, I'm the chief spokesman.

00:41:36.420 We want him to talk about it, and he wants to talk about it.

00:41:40.180 And so you think of the narrative that they've been pushing at us, saying that, oh, you're the new Pentagon press corps, that, you know, you've got Jack Posobiec, James O'Keefe, and guys from Tim Pooler there, and you've got the post-millennial and human events and all the rest.

00:41:54.240 And we can bring him in if he's ready.

00:41:57.880 And you're not asking any serious questions.

00:42:01.420 They came to us and said, we want to talk about the IG report on Signal.

00:42:08.240 We want to talk about it.

00:42:09.280 So they came to me and said, can we ask about this?

00:42:11.680 And I said, I'd love to ask you about this, and I'm going to ask you hard questions.

00:42:14.880 I'm going to ask you serious questions.

00:42:16.700 We're going to get into it.

00:42:17.800 I want to hear the nitty-gritty, and let's get the facts out.

00:42:20.720 And that's what this is all about, ladies and gentlemen.

00:42:23.500 It's about not saying, you know, that we're not going to ask about the hard questions.

00:42:29.940 Venezuela, are we going to a regime change in Venezuela?

00:42:32.620 I don't know, but there's people in this building who might know we're going to ask that question.

00:42:36.480 The drone strikes.

00:42:37.620 What is happening with these drone strikes?

00:42:39.280 Are they actually hitting people who are just floating around in the water like survivors?

00:42:44.520 Well, you saw the commander here, and he walked through it.

00:42:47.220 He walked through the legalities of that.

00:42:49.880 That if you have a vessel that is recoverable by a terrorist organization that still has those narcotic content on there, which is a commodity that can then be traded and then sold in the U.S. market, not only just for, of course, for sale, but then used for that funding that goes back to that organization, then that is still a legal target.

00:43:13.180 It is a lawful target of the United States military under those authorities.

00:43:17.460 That is the difference.

00:43:19.280 And we're here asking those serious questions.

00:43:21.740 And in fact, I appreciate the fact that they gave us serious answers.

00:43:25.300 And ultimately, just like in any other media, it is up to you, the American people, to be the ones to decide what you do with that.

00:43:36.620 And again, you know, we think about different things and, you know, you go back to, say, the Pentagon Papers, right, all the way back during the Vietnam War and questions about whether or not the Vietnam War was going well.

00:43:51.500 And the fact that that was a Democrat scandal, right?

00:43:54.220 That was something where it was.

00:43:56.260 But again, it was a military industrial complex.

00:43:58.580 That was McNamara.

00:44:00.380 That was Johnson.

00:44:01.740 That they were up there every day saying, oh, the war is going fine.

00:44:04.700 The war is going fine. 0.98

00:44:05.700 The war is going fine. 0.98

00:44:07.180 And that just wasn't the truth.

00:44:08.340 And inside this building, inside the Pentagon, this very same building, and I really should have, you know, we've been doing all these interviews about news of the day.

00:44:17.800 But the history of this building is so incredible.

00:44:22.640 And in this building, they had reports during Vietnam that the war was not going well.

00:44:26.820 And that story came out.

00:44:28.800 And the truth needs to come out specifically and most importantly when it comes to issues of war, of life and death.

00:44:40.700 That's what human events stands for, whether now, whether in the past, or whether it's in the future.

00:44:45.840 We will always stand for that.

00:44:48.640 And if America's interests are being called into question, then we want to know, are these operations being done for the interests of the American people or are they being done to serve some other purpose?

00:45:00.740 That's our job here.

00:45:02.280 That's going to be continuing to be my job.

00:45:04.720 And, you know, really when you look, really when you look at the history of the Pentagon, not only, of course, you know, the Pentagon Papers, but you go all the way back to 9-11.

00:45:20.040 And you go back to the rings that were smashed here on that day, the people who saw the plane flying over on the bridge, the bridge that I drove over just this morning to come into this building.

00:45:32.560 When you think about the different operations that were fought and run out of this building, it's truly remarkable.

00:45:44.580 And it's incredible history.

00:45:46.160 This building was built all the way back during World War II.

00:45:49.240 So, really only spent two years building it.

00:45:52.160 It's an old building coming up on its 100-year anniversary.

00:45:55.580 And it features in, you know, it's just a building like any other.

00:45:59.660 It's an office building.

00:46:00.740 There's various, you know, there's comms to it.

00:46:03.360 But we do every once in a while get a couple of generals in.

00:46:06.100 In fact, like General Tato, who we have here joining us right now.

00:46:09.360 General, please come in and sit down.

00:46:10.580 We only actually have a couple of minutes left until the end of the show.

00:46:14.540 But what I'd love to do, if we can, we'll get you on for the last two minutes and then we'll go over a little bit and we'll play on the next time.

00:46:21.080 But I want to say thank you so much for joining us.

00:46:23.800 It's good to see you again.

00:46:24.860 Not the first time that we've been on air.

00:46:27.640 Congratulations on everything you're doing.

00:46:29.140 Different capacities.

00:46:30.140 Congratulations to you as well.

00:46:32.400 When we're talking about, though, the military readiness, the quality of life, just in one minute, what would you say the difference has been between the previous administration and now?

00:46:41.560 We're focused on those things that unify us instead of those things that divide us.

00:46:45.340 We're focused on unity of command, unity of mission instead of critical race theory and DGI.

00:46:50.880 That's in one sense.

00:46:52.520 And it's really as simple as that, folks, because you have a situation where now it's about every warfighter and every member of the military, which, by the way, includes families, which includes dependents, which includes children, which includes the quality of life on base.

00:47:09.260 It doesn't matter what your politics are or what your critical race, et cetera.

00:47:15.460 None of that matters because that's all something that affects everyone.

00:47:18.560 Recruiting is off the charts, Jack.

00:47:20.420 Since the president was elected, since the secretary has been put in the position and the Senate confirmed, recruiting is off the charts for every service.

00:47:29.080 We've already hit mission on a couple of services for the next fiscal year.

00:47:33.360 I actually know someone, I have a friend who's younger who was looking to get in, and for specific jobs, you can't even get them.

00:47:41.520 That's right.

00:47:42.120 Space Force, cyber?

00:47:43.420 Gun.

00:47:44.180 Cyber is, yeah.

00:47:45.160 Yeah.

00:47:45.700 You think, you know, okay, FY27 now.

00:47:48.440 Apparently, Air Force Loadmaster is pretty viral on TikTok right now.

00:47:52.520 So that's, you can't even get it.

00:47:53.560 Yeah, that's a cool job.

00:47:54.600 I was a paratrooper.

00:47:55.740 They watch all the TikTok videos, and they say, oh, that's a cool job.

00:47:59.240 I'm going to go hang my legs out there and check it out.

00:48:01.600 So it's fire.

00:48:02.400 You can't get out.

00:48:03.000 And it's a testament to what you have done in order to change the ship.

00:48:07.540 We are going to go, we'll record a little bit more.

00:48:10.200 We're out of time for the show today, the live show.

00:48:13.020 So we're going to record this in a minute.

00:48:14.280 And so what I'll say to the folks at home, ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 03, 2025

The Signal Report - Don't Buy The Fake News Narrative

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