Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THE SPLC PUT A TARGET ON CHARLIE KIRK

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00:03:25.260 live on Real America's Voice. Today is April 23rd, 2026. Anno Domini. Folks, we need to focus in

00:03:37.320 on the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SPLC, their fraud, their crimes, but also their behavior,

00:03:46.660 the things that they have done, the targets that they have put on the backs of good people,

00:03:52.720 people like ben carson people for the alliance defending freedom people

00:04:00.620 like moms for liberty prager you and yes turning point usa charlie kirk so go back to last year

00:04:12.860 let's go back to the tale of the tape may of 2025 that's when they listed charlie kirk

00:04:20.100 that's when they listed him as an extremist

00:04:23.000 that's when they added him to their

00:04:24.620 hate map

00:04:26.020 that's when they put him up

00:04:28.060 and put a target on

00:04:30.740 Charlie's back

00:04:31.660 the SPLC put a target

00:04:34.480 on Charlie Kirk's map

00:04:36.460 and then this guy

00:04:40.440 who said that he had to

00:04:42.760 eradicate Charlie's hate

00:04:44.680 some hate

00:04:46.640 can't be negotiated with

00:04:48.540 climbed up to the top of a building

00:04:52.440 and shot and killed Charlie.

00:04:58.020 After the SPLC did that,

00:04:59.860 that was May of 2025 to September of 2025.

00:05:06.720 Memorial Day to Labor Day.

00:05:09.480 Memorial Day to Labor Day.

00:05:12.520 That's how fast it took.

00:05:16.480 And we look at this situation.

00:05:18.540 We have to see it very clearly for what it is.

00:05:23.180 And we have to remember that Tyler Robinson also had the Antifa national and international anthem, the Antifa anthem on his bullets, Bella Chow.

00:05:35.700 And what did the SPLC say when they talked about Antifa?

00:05:39.440 They said that President Trump listing Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is dangerous, dangerous.

00:05:48.540 We're going after extremists. Isn't that what you're supposed to do, SPLC? Oh, no, it's not. Oh, I see. The SPLC was actually funding extremists on the right and perhaps, just perhaps, helping extremists on the left.

00:06:07.340 Doxing, canceling, debanking, censoring.

00:06:12.820 That's what they were doing to conservatives.

00:06:16.880 And let's just see.

00:06:18.440 Let's just see.

00:06:19.360 And we're going to walk through.

00:06:21.380 In today's episode, we are going to walk through.

00:06:24.160 We're going to have Will Chamberlain and Julie Kelly on with us.

00:06:26.140 We're going to walk through and see whether or not the SPLC and their operatives were

00:06:33.520 involved in any other operations or events or incidents targeting conservatives coming

00:06:43.440 after conservative events, Christian events the same way.

00:06:47.140 Oh, I don't know. 0.90

00:06:48.140 Oh, that's right.

00:06:48.860 The SPLC gave a list of churches to the FBI for surveillance purposes.

00:06:54.960 they were hand in glove with antifa they were hand in glove with the biden regime

00:07:02.220 and the spLC put a target on charlie kirk's back you might even say they put a target

00:07:10.860 on his neck jack was so big we're right back thing will stand in our way and our golden age

00:07:18.940 has just begun this is human events with jack so but now it's time for everyone to understand

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00:07:35.640 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live here. Human events, daily Real America's voice. Folks,

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00:09:27.740 chamberlain here on today from the article three project what's up will

00:09:32.640 jack how's it going there we go well how'd your boss mike davis on yesterday we almost double

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00:09:43.260 it would have been kind of funny i mean i really wanted i was almost tempted to like have you do

00:09:46.780 that and just come up and be like sorry will's coming on you need to you need to wait that would

00:09:50.620 have gone over really well i mean i i mean kudos to to everything the article three project is done

00:09:57.260 you know i i know uh big supporters of our new acting attorney general todd blanche and uh you

00:10:03.500 know who knows perhaps we'll we'll have to drop that uh that acting title at some point here

00:10:07.740 because it seems like he is doing the job very well yeah well i mean the spLC indictment is a

00:10:13.020 landmark uh yesterday i think we're going to get into talking about that but i mean chad blanche is

00:10:17.420 a very very competent guy he was there with the president throughout all the lawfare against him

00:10:22.220 and uh he's a good man so well let's let's talk about this landmark legislation and and it really

00:10:29.180 is so there's an interesting legal question here i think because i've seen the left and they're

00:10:34.700 trying ms now and cnn and everyone else they're losing their minds over this they say whoa whoa

00:10:39.580 whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. Where's the fraud? Because if we had donors, right, we being the

00:10:46.060 SPLC and the left, right, you know, they're just arguing on their behalf. And the donors wanted to

00:10:52.000 go after right wing organizations or quote unquote racist extremist organizations. And that's what

00:10:57.920 they did. Is it really fraud if these were just and and let's let's take for even for the the

00:11:05.320 sake of argument, they'll say, well, these are just informants. They weren't advocates. They

00:11:08.780 weren't leaders they weren't um you know the executives of these organizations even though

00:11:13.820 we can see that they were if that's the case then where is the fraud if you can't get people who

00:11:20.720 donated to actually say that they've been defrauded well i mean you you as a criminal prosecutor you're

00:11:28.200 working on behalf of the people and you can if you can identify some people who were under operating

00:11:32.880 of the assumption that they were donating to fight these organizations and instead they were

00:11:36.780 donating to support members, that is sufficient to prove fraud in a court of law. And it's very,

00:11:42.660 it's sort of similar to the We Build the Wall case, in a way. And the reason being that,

00:11:48.700 you know, I mean, this SPLC is obviously clearly trying to mess with the KKK. They're trying to

00:11:55.120 build it up to make it seem that it's bigger than it is, but they're also trying to mess with it.

00:11:58.520 There's no doubt about that. And so the question is, would their donors be approved of their

00:12:05.340 conduct if the donor said no matter the time and the answer to that isn't obvious like i think it

00:12:08.940 would actually be very tricky as a civil case but as a criminal case it's actually quite a bit

00:12:12.420 stronger because the spLC they've got to be scrupulous in how they represent things and i

00:12:17.720 mean they'll try i think they'll try and make the argument that they weren't defrauding anybody

00:12:20.400 because they were actually doing what their donors intended but that that also another point is that

00:12:25.380 won't be the end of it uh that's not the only crime being charged here there's also some uh

00:12:29.720 fraudulent activity when it comes to banks and how they were using shell companies and concealing

00:12:33.920 the nature of the transactions that were being processed from the banks. And lying to banks is

00:12:39.000 an independent crime, and that doesn't rely on whether or not their donors would have approved

00:12:43.640 of their conduct. And so what you're talking about then is that's sort of fraud in the abstract

00:12:51.100 sense, that they were not using the funds for which they deliberately were solicited.

00:12:58.080 Yeah, and for the purposes that were specified, right? Like fraud is all about

00:13:02.400 misrepresentations that others rely on to their detriment. And in the nonprofit context,

00:13:07.720 fraud is, and wire fraud in particular, is all about you make a claim about what the money,

00:13:11.880 if you're raising money, you make claims about how that money is going to be spent,

00:13:14.720 and then you spend it contrary to how you claimed it would be. That would be fraud.

00:13:19.960 And it's really as simple as that. And here we have a case where you've got a district,

00:13:27.980 By the way, this isn't D.C., this isn't New York, this isn't some blue bastion like we've seen some of these other cases where they've run into trouble with the grand jury or run in trouble with jury nullification. 0.80

00:13:39.760 You've got middle Alabama, which is about as red as they come. 0.63

00:13:44.900 That's right. And it's interesting, I think, a little bit arrogant of the SPLC to stay headquartered in Alabama, especially given the sort of civil rights struggles that they were that they would have been president in Alabama for are all in the past.

00:13:56.860 And so but they still were setting up shop in Alabama and doing the stuff all around the country, thus opening themselves up to being litigated against in Alabama with Alabama judges and Alabama juries.

00:14:07.660 I think they're really going to pay very, very heavily for that mistake.

00:14:10.640 I mean, this would be a tricky indictment to bring in, for example, the District of Columbia, where plenty of other nonprofits are headquartered.

00:14:15.740 You could almost guarantee yourself a 95 percent blue jury pool.

00:14:19.500 That would be a very challenging prosecution and a very challenging civil litigation if the government brought it.

00:14:24.680 But in Alabama, no, they're they're they're behind the eight ball here. And I think the government has made both, you know, a very righteous move because I think there's obviously criminal activity here, but also a very strategically savvy move in bringing this prosecution in Alabama.

00:14:39.180 well you know it just uh i'll say it straight up that i've had conversations with charlie kirk

00:14:47.260 in the past um you know obviously prior to all this and in the wake of uh turning point and i

00:14:54.400 believe we talked about this on on air a couple times even with our thought crime show and you

00:15:00.080 know after they labeled turning point a hate organization i remember him sort of asking the

00:15:04.640 question you know isn't that a red state don't they have a red governor or red attorney general

00:15:09.120 like, what are we doing? What exactly are we doing here? We're just letting them operate

00:15:13.060 in obvious fraud, obvious money laundering. Now, even at that point, we didn't even know how bad

00:15:18.960 it was that they were actually paying the leadership of these organizations.

00:15:25.280 That's right. I don't think, you know, it's a really good question about who else knew

00:15:29.540 about what was going on here. I mean, this is, I mean, they're not, they're paying a guy in the

00:15:34.160 KKK, something like a million bucks over seven years or 10 years, something like that. That's

00:15:39.740 crazy amount of money. And, uh, and they're encouraging them to help organize all these

00:15:44.580 events. I mean, we, I think we might've mentioned this, but, you know, go all the way back to

00:15:48.280 Unite the Right. Like clearly one of the big revelations out of the prosecution was that

00:15:51.980 there was a Unite the Right member who was, uh, deeply involved in organizing that event who was

00:15:57.000 being paid by the sblc so i remember back in 2017 how they were asking a lot of people who you many

00:16:05.700 of you know they were trying to get them to go to unite the right um more normal conservatives than

00:16:10.160 the kind of people who were on the marquee and including myself saying no but it was all the the

00:16:16.480 the cell was very hard and the whole concept of unite the right was about bringing everyone

00:16:20.200 together which you know our side rejected yeah so so will it's it's i mean you mentioned it and

00:16:25.640 And it's, yeah, I mean, break the fourth wall, I guess, a little bit, because you and I were in D.C. running the MAGA meetups group and some of these other, you know, kind of like startups in the MAGA movement in 2017.

00:16:40.360 And there was this huge split, which got written up a number of times that summer, between sort of like the MAGA faction and the more, I guess, alt-right faction is what you would say.

00:16:52.980 You don't use that term much anymore, but that's what it was.

00:16:54.720 It was the old, the 2017 alt-right.

00:16:57.400 Yeah.

00:16:57.920 Yeah, the 2017, it was the alt-right and the new right.

00:17:00.300 And that was the split.

00:17:01.100 And Andrew Morantz, before he lost his mind, actually wrote this up in The New Yorker and had a couple of times where he would come, you know, and we would hold these dueling events.

00:17:11.500 Like they'd be at the Lincoln Memorial and then we'd be at the White House or, you know, some other part of town, this type of thing.

00:17:19.820 And but then in the wake of this, so towards the summer of 2017, I believe this was August, and they were trying to say, oh, hey, let's let's all come together because their side had been just, you know, losing and had been completely embarrassed and couldn't get anyone to show up at their things and were just driving, you know, everything off a cliff.

00:17:41.340 And so they said, well, let's unite. And so they were begging us, begging people like me, Mike Cernovich, Gavin McInnes, who he just tweeted about it. They were begging us to come to this event. And they said, come unite with us. And none of us did.

00:17:54.160 Yeah. And now you have to wonder, was that the SPLC's goal? Like, how deeply involved were the SPLC and other nonprofits? We don't know. Other nonprofits involved in propping up the alt-right and then trying to use it to smear actually effective and popular people who are Trump supporters.

00:18:16.580 that's that's sort of the big lingering question because i feel like this this can't be it there

00:18:20.940 has to be the tip of the iceberg and you know there's sort of i think you know you talked a

00:18:25.580 little bit about this yesterday how we characterize people as feds but in a sense what this reveals

00:18:29.340 is maybe we just had a little bit of a blind spot we were so focused on the notion that maybe the

00:18:33.360 people who might be trying to mess with us and trap us were feds and we weren't really considering

00:18:38.220 the probability that they were funded by private organizations that they were just like you know

00:18:42.060 reed hoffman recipients and soros recipients no i'm trying to use that what can i say the glow is

00:18:48.300 the glow is real uh jack posovic will chamberlain right back telling you some of the history of the

00:18:55.100 maga movement uh modern history because how do i know because i was there right back human events

00:19:01.500 daily real marcus voice you know they talk about influences these are influences and uh they're

00:19:07.260 friends of mine, Jack Posobiec. Where's Jack? Jack. He's done a great job.

00:19:17.160 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec here back live, Human Events Daily. And folks, let me be blunt.

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00:20:41.760 We're on with Will Chamberlain talking about SPLC, SPLC operatives and operations.

00:20:48.560 And, Will, I mean, let's be blunt.

00:20:50.600 There's quite a bit that could come out in discovery here of, you know,

00:20:54.080 We talked about Unite the Right, Charlottesville, and, you know, their efforts to try to get

00:20:58.840 people like me and Mike Cernovich to go along with it, and we said, no, we're not doing

00:21:03.480 that, we're not working with you guys, and had no idea at the time that it would turn

00:21:08.100 into what it turned into, but just obviously saw that that was a bad idea to begin with.

00:21:14.240 And, I mean, this really makes us have to go back and look at a number of these incidents,

00:21:19.960 Will, to your point as to say, how much of this was staged to make Trump supporters, the MAGA

00:21:26.620 movement, not just this event, but other events and other incidents to make us look bad and not

00:21:32.160 like a legitimate populist nationalist movement. Right. And it, you know, it could be the, how

00:21:37.300 much of it, like who, what did, who of these people were true believers and who have, who

00:21:41.060 were being paid, how influential were the being, the people who were being paid and what, how

00:21:45.580 instrumental were they in making certain events happen coordinating organizing you know because

00:21:52.420 then because it just brings all this stuff into question and i i remember it was it was a very

00:21:58.160 2017 was we were constantly in a battle with these people constantly um they were trying to really

00:22:04.300 really ruin us and the claim that they were making at the time was we weren't really the right wing

00:22:08.640 we were fake blah blah blah blah and now you learn that they were actually infiltrated by the spLC

00:22:13.980 and we didn't have that problem we weren't the swlc wasn't uh you know using us to go after

00:22:19.900 somebody else so it you know begs the question of like yeah i mean the what maybe and here's

00:22:28.020 another point i want to throw out this is something i thought about today right the whole concept of

00:22:31.000 no enemies to the right was promulgated by these people but what if what if no enemies to the right

00:22:35.480 was wrong because it meant that you were going to have some enemies that were actually on the left

00:22:38.860 that you weren't hitting i'll leave that there no it's it's it's you know it's it's kind of wild

00:22:45.420 when you know it just to your point you know we're going over stuff from almost 10 years ago now but

00:22:50.880 you have to go back and think back to conversations phone calls you know uh just meetings at trump

00:22:58.400 hotel or something and you know you know what what who was really behind that person or or what was

00:23:04.640 that person really doing because well to your point there were people who uh you before the

00:23:09.900 show we were chatting and you mentioned how there were people who would just sort of show up and

00:23:14.580 start you know to events and start holding up signs or or or posters or something that had

00:23:20.120 nothing to do with why we were there yeah yeah and they'd you know they'd put signs in people's

00:23:25.940 hands they they were following what people were doing online and then showing up in real life

00:23:31.580 uh and it's it it totally makes you reflect that right as you say like you have to look back to a

00:23:38.720 period a very strange period that 2017 2018 period pre charlottesville and it was uh and look back

00:23:46.260 at all that attempt and wonder who exactly was trying to do what right because clearly there

00:23:50.900 was a whole bunch of inauthentic behavior going on and attempts to undermine things and you know

00:23:57.000 and and i they can't have been the only private organization the sdlc cannot have been the only

00:24:01.140 private organization trying to do stuff like this because there was so much money after trump won

00:24:05.500 delivered by liberal donors into the hand of liberal ngos to defeat the right and this is

00:24:11.000 one of the ways clearly this is one of the ways they were trying to do it so i'm sure that we're

00:24:14.320 just scratching the surface here in as to inauthentic progressive left-wing and money

00:24:20.460 and involvement in right-wing movements to make them look insane and to increase the amount of

00:24:26.700 insanity within them. Yeah. And, and to your point, I still, in many ways, I still kind of

00:24:35.580 live like this, even when we're constructing the shows, even when we're putting things together,

00:24:39.840 because I remember what that period was like, you know, somebody gets a picture of you and you've no

00:24:46.760 idea what's behind you in the picture. And then suddenly you lose your, your access to social

00:24:52.280 media, you lose your banking information, you lose access to PayPal, all the rest of

00:24:56.960 it.

00:24:57.360 People don't realize, and I was on War Room earlier talking about this, but people don't

00:25:01.100 realize that the SPLC was a cornerstone of the left's power structure for so long.

00:25:08.260 It was the convergence of law enforcement, big tech, big finance, with JPMorgan, Bain

00:25:14.260 Capital being involved here.

00:25:15.900 So this wasn't some small organization.

00:25:19.160 They had all their chips into this.

00:25:20.720 So, Will, just in the last minute, you mentioned this was a strategic move.

00:25:23.960 Why did you say that?

00:25:25.820 Well, if, you know, we were, I think, at the time, you know, at the heart of the grassroots

00:25:31.220 energy behind the Trump movement and in terms of moving the right wing towards a more productive

00:25:35.820 and populist direction.

00:25:37.740 And I think the left saw that.

00:25:39.500 And they were, again, blindsided by Trump's victory in 2016.

00:25:42.300 They were trying to defeat this nascent movement and put it in the ground.

00:25:45.740 And so strategically, how would you do that?

00:25:48.480 Well, you try as hard as you can to make everybody publicly associate that movement with Nazis and spend whatever money you had to do that, infiltrate it, and put people in place to agitate, to bring people into an event and then embarrass them by making them associate with people who say absolutely absurd Nazi things to, yeah, you name it.

00:26:11.040 It's just basically it's a it's a smear campaign, an embarrassment campaign.

00:26:15.700 And I can't use the word because it's not polite on language, but but just generally an attempt to undermine the movement strategically. 0.99

00:26:25.960 Yeah, no, it's a scumbag operation. 0.95

00:26:28.180 Sometimes the controlled opposition actually is controlled opposition. 0.96

00:26:30.960 Will Chamberlain, we're going to follow you at Will Chamberlain on X and follow what the Article 3 project is doing at a3paction.com.

00:26:38.660 Check him out, folks.

00:26:39.640 right back. Julie Kelly joins us next. Human Events Daily.

00:26:47.420 Where is Jack? Where is Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.

00:26:57.040 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're

00:27:02.220 always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys

00:27:06.800 should be getting policies. All right, Jack Posobiec, really excited to have on our next

00:27:13.740 guest here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. Folks, we've got Julie Kelly. You know 0.88

00:27:20.640 her as the writer of Declassified, someone who has done so much incredible work into other

00:27:27.660 organizations that have been focused on informants and entrapment and subterfuge and so many of

00:27:35.880 these things that we see here in the SPLC investigation, but the ones that she's focused

00:27:41.340 on were more January 6th, Gretchen Whitmer and others with the FBI. Julie, how are you?

00:27:49.220 I'm good, Jack. How are you? Oh, I love that picture. It's only like 10 years old,

00:27:53.460 but I wish I still looked that way. No, what do you talk about? It's a good picture.

00:27:57.680 And Julie, if I can, before we get into it further, what's your first reaction? Or what

00:28:05.540 was your first reaction when you saw these charges, that press conference, Todd Blanche

00:28:09.620 and Kash Patel?

00:28:11.100 Well, first of all, kudos to Todd Blanche and Kash Patel for seeking this indictment.

00:28:16.600 And of course, the prosecutors and investigators in Alabama who did all the hard work on this,

00:28:21.820 because this is part of what you've been talking about for years and others, and that's

00:28:26.960 dismantling this very powerful, influential, and well-funded infrastructure that the left

00:28:33.740 has, that we don't, unfortunately, but that the left has to destroy their political opposition,

00:28:41.360 which is us. And in the process, Jack, they use these levers, they use these mechanisms,

00:28:47.860 outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which, by the way, I just checked their latest

00:28:53.000 990. Do you know how much they have in the bank? I think the last number I saw was something like

00:29:02.160 800 million? Correct. Yes. So, of course, you knew that. So, and then we've seen who some of

00:29:09.160 these contributors are, corporations, George Clooney, George Soros, et cetera, the usual

00:29:15.380 suspect. So, you know, they pump money into this. Their executives are paid, you know,

00:29:22.440 $200,000 a piece. There's like 30 of them. So it's what Todd Blanchett and Cash Patel said,

00:29:29.300 of money laundering operation. But it's going to get much bigger than this because what has to be

00:29:35.340 determined is the tight collaboration between this organization and the FBI and DOJ, particularly

00:29:43.240 under the Biden administration, particularly Chris Wray's FBI, to conspire with SPLC,

00:29:52.660 use also FBI informants, and we'll get into that as well, to entrap American citizens to make it

00:30:00.420 look, like Bill Chamberlain just said, that there is a pervasive white supremacy problem

00:30:06.020 on the MAGA right. So, Julie, this is what I want to ask you, and I have this viral tweet

00:30:12.840 that's going out, and I was certainly thinking of you when I wrote it, and I said, well, wait a

00:30:18.040 minute. What if this is the reason, this is the reason that Chris Wray, when he was the head of

00:30:23.660 the FBI, could sit up there and say, oh, you know, this person was not an informant. This person was

00:30:28.520 not an informant. We didn't have any informants on federal payroll whatsoever when he's testifying

00:30:34.220 in Congress because, wait a minute, there's a cutout organization using these informants and

00:30:40.380 then providing that reporting directly to the FBI hand in glove, as we saw through Biden's FBI and

00:30:47.060 Biden's DOJ. And if you don't have them on your books, you don't have to testify that you had any

00:30:52.680 informants or any involvement, do you? Right. And that's a great point, Jack. So I'll say two

00:30:57.620 things. Number one, yes, it is a very easy way to collaborate with a group like Southern Poverty

00:31:04.320 Law Center and kind of the FBI wash their hands of informants or undercover employees directly

00:31:13.360 out of the bureau who are doing this sort of thing. However, number two, Chris Ray lied.

00:31:20.580 We know from court documents, we know from trials, especially with the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys,

00:31:27.400 in the Oath Keepers, at least five FBI informants, including the vice president of the Oath Keepers,

00:31:34.340 all paid FBI informants. In the Proud Boys case, at least a dozen, just that we know of,

00:31:41.500 A dozen FBI informants embedded into that group, including a few who were on the grounds, including a few, one Michael Jones, who I covered, who committed numerous crimes but was never charged.

00:31:55.720 So Chris Wray didn't tell the truth about FBI informants.

00:31:59.200 We know that they were involved in at least those two high-profile cases and organizations.

00:32:05.600 Those informants were instrumental in group chats in stoking violent rhetoric that was used later as evidence against the three Oath Keepers in the three federal trials and, of course, the five Proud Boys in that federal trial in Washington, D.C. 0.68

00:32:24.460 And then the Whitmer fed napping hoax, I mean, that takes the cake. You had at least a dozen 0.58

00:32:31.720 FBI informants in addition to at least three FBI undercover employees. Now, the difference between

00:32:38.100 an informant is that they're not on the FBI's payroll, but they are paid by the FBI. They're

00:32:44.600 paid in cash. There's really no way to trace who these people are. A lot of them are criminals,

00:32:48.740 or they're here illegally, or their family is. And so they're doing this kind of dirty work 0.99

00:32:54.180 in exchange for favors for themselves or their family members. Undercover employees,

00:33:00.860 that's a different, they are employees of the Bureau that go undercover just like,

00:33:06.720 you know, police officer would. But this is going to get a lot bigger. And I really,

00:33:13.320 I'm sure that Todd Blanch and Kash Patel will continue their digging. And this has to spread

00:33:18.920 to other jurisdictions as well and really, you know, break open how the FBI, the government

00:33:27.460 and well-funded organizations like Southern Poverty Law Center collaborate to set up

00:33:34.080 innocent Americans and try to destroy Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.

00:33:40.740 Right. And so when you look at these types of operations, you know, you could talk about

00:33:46.080 Fed trapping, Fed potting, whatever you want to get into.

00:33:49.020 But at the end of the day, it sounds to me like an entrapment operation.

00:33:53.560 That seems to be what we're seeing that Unite the Right actually was.

00:33:58.600 And Julie, I can remember and Will Chamberlain was just on here and I wasn't going to bring it up myself, but I can remember people trying to reach out to me directly and say, we need you there.

00:34:08.780 We want you to be a speaker.

00:34:10.120 We want you to come out.

00:34:11.040 That's why they were trying to call it Unite the Right, because they wanted everyone, quote unquote, on the right to be there.

00:34:17.000 So a representative from every member of sort of like the right wing coalition, Trump supporters, et cetera.

00:34:22.960 And I remember saying, look, I don't want to do an event with you guys.

00:34:26.860 I'm not part of your organization.

00:34:29.300 I'm not part of this.

00:34:30.360 I don't think it's a good idea to do this in the first place.

00:34:33.440 And this is even before we saw the, you know, the tiki torches and everything else.

00:34:36.660 And I said, I don't think I just got a bad sense about it.

00:34:40.040 you know, I just got a bad sense. I said, something's wrong here. Something smells,

00:34:43.700 something stinks, something don't seem right. And it later turned into what it turned into.

00:34:48.800 Now we find that the SPLC was involved from the start. So Julie, to your, you know, uh,

00:34:54.900 to your looking, you know, the way you see it, do you believe that this was an entrapment operation?

00:35:00.460 A wide ranging entrapment operation. You mean, uh, the Charlottesville rally or just

00:35:06.100 Oh, yes, for sure. Yes. And I mean, I thought it was kind of evident at that point. But Jack, you remember the fury on the right. I mean, National Review, all the usual suspects went absolutely crazy. This is all President Trump's fault.

00:35:25.080 He's stoking white supremacy, et cetera, et cetera.

00:35:28.300 So it was it definitely achieved its goal.

00:35:31.440 And then, of course, you know, this was the discussion throughout August into September of 2017, confronting the president on a daily basis, insisting that he denounce these individuals.

00:35:44.560 And then, of course, the fine people we call fine people hoax.

00:35:48.640 Right. But that was that that was the whole part of Unite the Right rally.

00:35:53.980 That was the whole intention of the Whitmer Fed mapping hoax that, you know, broke the

00:35:59.680 month before the 2020 presidential election to help them steal Michigan from the president

00:36:05.620 and to smear him again as a white supremacist.

00:36:08.460 This was the whole point of January 6th and other operations that we've seen.

00:36:13.200 So but I believe that at least in the Trump era, it originated with that Charlottesville

00:36:20.200 rally, Unite the Right.

00:36:21.840 Well, it seems to have.

00:36:23.080 And the fact that it originated with the SPLC is something that we really need to learn

00:36:27.580 more about and ask questions about why this took place.

00:36:30.660 Because to your point, I remember Scott Adams used to interview people.

00:36:34.620 You know, one time he interviewed people who had gone to Charlottesville who said, we have

00:36:38.580 no idea about all these other organizations.

00:36:41.120 We just cared about the statue.

00:36:42.780 We didn't want to see the statue come down.

00:36:44.060 That's all they were there for.

00:36:45.420 They had no idea that anything else was going on.

00:36:49.940 And I also remember that and people may not have pointed this out, that that event, Charlottesville, was used to push Stephen K. Bannon out of the original Trump administration, that they were, you know, he kind of got the blame for it and they used it to push him out.

00:37:07.860 They used it to sideline him initially and then push him out there. And eventually he gets pushed out of the first Trump administration. This is prior to the impeachment. This is prior to all the other things that happened.

00:37:19.340 So who knows? Who knows how history would have taken a different turn had it not been for Charlottesville and, as we should call it, the Charlottesville operation.

00:37:31.380 Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.

00:37:36.620 We're going to call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.

00:37:39.380 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.

00:37:45.180 And that is, I'll be honest.

00:37:49.340 All right, folks, Jack Sobek back live here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:37:58.340 Now, we're talking about it, so I'm going to go ahead and just say it, right?

00:38:01.880 And then I've told this story a million times, but I was not at Charlottesville, but I was at Gen 6.

00:38:06.100 I was there, and I was covering it for One American News, and I saw the flashbangs that were thrown on a peaceful crowd as I was coming down Constitution Avenue.

00:38:17.180 And then I also saw, and I've said this since either that day or the day after since the start, really, that there were people on the ground at January 6th who have never to this day been identified.

00:38:33.120 I saw a guy in a green poncho, baseball hat, had a beard about, you know, goatee down here.

00:38:41.860 And he was telling people, go forward, go into the Capitol. You came this far, don't stop now.

00:38:49.540 And going up to, you know, middle-aged Trump supporters waving little American flags and

00:38:54.300 who seemed very confused about why he was telling them to go into the Capitol. We, of course,

00:38:58.780 saw also people up on scaffolds, people climbing buildings and are climbing the wall and saying

00:39:04.560 this. So Julie Kelly, you've written so much about these agitators and I called them agitators

00:39:11.580 from the start. I have no idea who they are, but they seemed like they were organized. They seemed

00:39:17.900 like they were operationalized and they were right there on the ground on January 6th. And that's how

00:39:23.440 I know that something was going on there that was beyond MAGA, that had nothing to do with MAGA

00:39:29.920 because I saw it with my own two eyes. And Julie, to my knowledge, none of those people have ever

00:39:35.400 been either identified or indicted. And so that's why we need to learn a lot more,

00:39:45.560 that this is going to become a far bigger scandal. For example, on January 6th, you had

00:39:50.440 the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters. All three of those groups have been 0.84

00:39:55.240 identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as extremist groups. They have entire files

00:40:01.120 on all of those groups. So did they have what they call these field sources, nice name for

00:40:08.500 informants, field sources embedded in those groups? Were any of them involved in the activities of

00:40:16.120 January 6th or leading up to January 6th. It's hard to believe at this point that that was not

00:40:22.040 the case. And then going back to Whitmer, because I just think Whitmer represents so much of what

00:40:30.220 the government or Chris Ray's FBI was willing and capable to do to concoct this sort of scheme

00:40:39.740 to smear Donald Trump right before the election,

00:40:43.540 remember that there was that huge rally in Lansing

00:40:46.960 in April of 2020.

00:40:50.140 And I always called that the dress rehearsal for January 6th.

00:40:53.500 So this was related to COVID lockdowns by Governor Whitmer. 0.95

00:40:57.580 And you had groups like the Three Percenters were there, 0.97

00:41:01.080 the Boogaloo Boys, who are also a target

00:41:03.540 of Southern Poverty Law Center, 0.53

00:41:06.200 probably another made-up group by the government

00:41:09.080 or by these nonprofits. And it was this huge rally. And you saw a lot of the same images coming

00:41:15.140 out of that Lansing rally in April, 2020 that you saw on January 6th, 2021, people dressed in

00:41:21.580 military garb, carrying firearms, calling for Gretchen Whitmer to be hung, a lot of the same

00:41:29.060 elements that we later saw seven, eight months later. So who there, if anyone, was being paid

00:41:38.360 by a nonprofit to be an actor to generate those images and to stoke this sort of, and this is what

00:41:50.080 Kash Patel and Todd Blanche were talking about, to stoke this kind of racism. They're actually

00:41:54.480 stoking this hatred that they professed that they were trying to combat. So I hope that that's an

00:42:04.560 area that the FBI will consider looking into as well. And this is serious, too, because we have

00:42:12.920 to remember that every time that Mark Milley or Chris Wray would go up there and testify that

00:42:17.080 white supremacy and white nationalism is the biggest threat in America today, they were

00:42:20.640 citing statistics from the SPLC. Every time that a Trump appointee like the great Jeremy Carl was

00:42:27.800 blocked by the United States Senate, crazy Maisie Hirono or John Curtis out of Utah, these idiots, 1.00

00:42:33.500 These useful idiots for the left, who were they citing? 1.00

00:42:36.940 Again, the SPLC. 1.00

00:42:39.520 And Julie, to your point, this organization was used as a source in numerous trials for Jan 6 defendants, wasn't it?

00:42:47.860 Yes, I've got at least six documents in front of me, affidavits and indictments that cite the Southern Poverty Law Center,

00:42:55.740 tying whoever this individual is to either the white supremacy movement or the Boogaloo movement or the three percenters.

00:43:03.500 and saying that they had extreme ideologies against the government and pose some sort of

00:43:09.220 threat. I believe, and I'm trying to pull up the indictment, Barry Croft, who was one of the two

00:43:13.540 men convicted of the second trial for the Whitmer Fedknapping hoax. He was a three percenter and I'm

00:43:20.180 quite sure, and I'm going through those documents now, that they used Southern Poverty Law Center

00:43:24.880 as a citation to brand him as a domestic terrorist. And recall Avril Haines. So she was

00:43:34.340 Joe Biden's director of national intelligence. Her very first intelligence product that she

00:43:39.660 produced in March of 2021 talked about this bogus white extremism. They even had a picture of the 0.74

00:43:48.520 Capitol building. As an example, this white supremacy, extreme ideology, and trying to tie

00:43:56.880 that to MAGA. I don't recall if she used SPLC as her citation, but I bet she did. I'll go back and 0.99

00:44:05.300 take a look and post it if that is the case. But this was a very sophisticated collaboration,

00:44:12.140 especially after January 6th, or dating back to Charlottesville, through Whitmer, through January 6th, other incidents to brand all of us as domestic terrorists.

00:44:28.180 Well, you know what's really interesting is another member of this organization.

00:44:32.060 Here's what's really interesting.

00:44:33.660 Let me go and double check this out.

00:44:35.220 Hmm. Someone who was a researcher who, quote, investigated hate groups and hate crimes for the Southern Poverty Law Center was none other than a graduate from Wellesley College.

00:44:52.800 And then later from Oxford, who moved from Massachusetts to Montgomery, Alabama, to work for the Southern Poverty Law Center named Jocelyn Benson.

00:45:05.540 Jocelyn Benson, who would go on to be the secretary of state of Michigan in 2020 and is currently running for governor.

00:45:14.280 She was a researcher and an operative for the SPLC.

00:45:19.040 So, again, someone who's directly tied with Whitmer.

00:45:21.700 she's actually running to replace Whitmer, comes directly from the SPLC.

00:45:27.200 Yes. Well, yeah, exactly. There you go. And then, of course, as we know, part of the whole 2020 0.92

00:45:33.200 election, rigged election. So that's just one dot I'm sure that you and others are going to be able

00:45:42.360 to connect, but this is really so indicative of how powerful the left is and how they are

00:45:53.040 able to leverage their funding, immense amounts of funding to conspire with the government

00:46:01.600 and other powerful institutions to break not just the MAGA, not just the MAGA movement,

00:46:09.780 not just the president, but the entire Republican Party, conservatives, and everything that is tied

00:46:16.400 to what we believe in. And it just speaks to how empty what the left is, because they don't have

00:46:26.360 ideas, they don't have policies that attract most Americans. So they just have nothing. All they can

00:46:35.480 do is do these smear campaigns and trap people, make them look, try to look like something that

00:46:41.380 they are not. And this is a really, I think, powerful step, what Todd Blanch and Kash Patel

00:46:51.580 have done here. And it's getting a lot of people's attention, as you know.

00:46:57.060 Julie Kelly, that's just about all the time we have. Tell people where they can go to follow

00:47:00.540 you where I notice on X, you are just about to cross the 1 million follower mark. I've been

00:47:06.940 sitting there for a while, but that's all right. But thank you, Jack. And I want to thank you

00:47:11.000 because you've promoted my work for years. So I'm so grateful to you. I'm on X, Julie underscore

00:47:16.600 Kelly two, and then declassified with Julie Kelly at Substack. I'm going to have something up about

00:47:22.220 all of this tonight on my Substack for people to check out. Ladies and gentlemen, as always,

00:47:27.020 you have my permission to lay a short.

00:47:30.540 We'll be right back.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 23, 2026

THE SPLC PUT A TARGET ON CHARLIE KIRK

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