Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Toxic Psychology of Tyler Robinson

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00:00:51.920 September 10, 2025, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson decided he wouldn't be attending his electrical

00:00:58.200 apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College.

00:01:01.020 At 8.23, he walked to his gray Dodge Challenger, and a little while later, he drove off to Utah

00:01:06.380 Valley University.

00:01:07.640 Three hours after that, at 11.49, he exited his car wearing a different set of clothes,

00:01:12.780 a cap, dark sunglasses, and visibly limping toward the parking lot adjacent to the UVU campus.

00:01:18.000 He walked up the parking lot stairs, headed to the low-C center, and then was nowhere to be seen.

00:01:23.620 Meanwhile, conservative speaker Charlie Kirk was hosting one of his debate events on campus,

00:01:28.440 roughly 200 yards away from where Tyler was.

00:01:31.160 At exactly 12.23, a single shot rang out, piercing the left side of Kirk's throat,

00:01:36.680 sending the entire campus into chaos.

00:01:39.100 To add to the already extremely tragic situation, CCTV footage showed Tyler,

00:01:44.140 then unknown to the authorities, fleeing the scene and successfully evading capture.

00:01:48.920 Tyler's father, Matt, saw the pictures of the killer on the news.

00:01:52.560 To his unimaginable shock, he saw his son being reported about on national television

00:01:58.500 for having murdered Charlie Kirk.

00:02:01.040 Despite his utter shock and disbelief, Matt went to his son and simply asked him,

00:02:06.460 Tyler, is this you?

00:02:07.940 This looks like you.

00:02:09.240 Tyler immediately confessed.

00:02:10.780 Soon after his capture, Tyler went completely silent and has refused to cooperate with the police.

00:02:16.360 While the roommate was initially anonymous, that didn't last long.

00:02:19.740 As a neighbor of Tyler's came forward to speak with the media,

00:02:22.560 and some pretty interesting things were said when the topic came up,

00:02:25.840 and the neighbor claims to have witnessed them together.

00:02:28.560 Were they holding hands?

00:02:30.020 Uh, yeah, they were.

00:02:31.180 And did they, so they looked like they were couples?

00:02:33.020 Yeah.

00:02:33.920 Yeah.

00:02:34.360 There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioned in.

00:02:39.940 Did that correlate with what you saw?

00:02:42.260 Um, yeah, definitely.

00:02:44.760 I remember them talking about a doctor's appointment.

00:02:47.160 An unknown source in law enforcement had already attested to the same story.

00:02:51.140 And with this much scrutiny and attention on something,

00:02:53.900 keeping this person's name a secret was basically impossible.

00:02:57.120 Eventually, people found Tyler's Venmo account,

00:02:59.740 where one name stood out.

00:03:01.320 Lance Twiggs.

00:03:02.300 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:05.820 We've got a special episode for you today.

00:03:08.180 Now, if you saw the previous episode,

00:03:10.720 I would like you to go back and watch that if you haven't,

00:03:14.020 because we're going to be making references to that episode.

00:03:17.180 We're going to be talking about Tyler Robinson

00:03:20.940 and these leaks that came out from a former roommate, friend, whistleblower,

00:03:26.780 to the YouTube account, Turkey Tom.

00:03:29.460 And these messages describe in great detail the strange and toxic relationship between

00:03:37.500 Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson.

00:03:41.080 And so, uh, Liz Wheeler and myself in yesterday's episode, the previous episode,

00:03:45.240 went through in great detail those leaks, those sentences, those phrases.

00:03:49.880 Uh, we pulled out what could they all mean?

00:03:52.640 We corroborated that with other information.

00:03:54.520 And so I would encourage you to go and check out that episode before you listen to this episode.

00:04:00.720 But, uh, we make references as much of it as you can.

00:04:04.360 What are we doing today?

00:04:05.820 Today, we've got a very special guest on.

00:04:09.440 It's Dr. Chloe Carmichael.

00:04:11.020 She's a clinical psychologist.

00:04:12.860 That was their twisted world.

00:04:16.500 Today, we're going into the toxic psychology, the mind of Tyler Robinson.

00:04:22.960 And as we do that, I'm sitting here in the original Charlie Kirk studio right now.

00:04:29.940 This desk right here is the desk where Charlie launched his show.

00:04:34.420 This microphone was Charlie's microphone.

00:04:36.240 This is where it all began when the Charlie Kirk show.

00:04:41.560 Charlie and I sat in this room and debating and planning and scheming and doing it all.

00:04:51.700 And now he's not here.

00:04:53.380 He's not going to be coming back.

00:04:54.720 And what was done to Erica and their children, Charlie's family, it's an unspeakable evil.

00:05:10.260 It's an unspeakable evil.

00:05:12.180 One that will never go away.

00:05:16.360 No more bedtime stories.

00:05:19.400 A little girl who will never be picked up by her father again.

00:05:22.280 A little boy who will never get taught by his dad.

00:05:28.000 How to throw a football.

00:05:30.120 How to make a half court shot.

00:05:33.060 No.

00:05:34.240 How to throw a baseball.

00:05:36.220 None of that.

00:05:37.520 And that was all robbed by Tyler Robinson.

00:05:40.360 It was robbed from them.

00:05:43.000 Every single moment of every single day that Charlie could have spent with his family was taken from them.

00:05:50.380 And that creates a debt.

00:05:54.740 That creates a debt, ladies and gentlemen.

00:06:00.760 And look, not to make it personal, but like I said, I'm here in his studio.

00:06:06.580 Charlie's my friend.

00:06:07.400 And I suppose in a way, this is one of the, one of the ways that I deal with things like this is I get to the bottom of it.

00:06:17.880 I want to unpack every single piece of it that I can.

00:06:21.840 I want to dig in through every shadow, open every closed door, look under every rock to try to understand, not just from the security perspective, the security failures, and the campus and all the rest of it, but even the individuals and even the psychological situations.

00:06:44.260 What would drive someone to do this?

00:06:49.320 And potentially, maybe then we can even learn, how do we stop the next person who wants to be a Tyler Robinson or a Thomas Matthew Crooks or a Luigi Mangione?

00:07:02.360 So, you know, I don't usually talk about it, but that's why I do what I do.

00:07:08.020 Because if we don't stop them, they will not stop on their own.

00:07:12.760 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.

00:07:14.920 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back.

00:07:24.780 We're going through the strange case of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twig.

00:07:33.340 This is part two.

00:07:34.380 We're now conducting the analysis of all of this.

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00:08:57.980 On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said,

00:09:05.420 Drop what you're doing.

00:09:06.880 Look under my keyboard.

00:09:08.940 The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated,

00:09:13.340 Quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.

00:09:18.760 So I want to bring on now, very honored and excited to have Dr. Chloe Carmichael joining us.

00:09:25.340 She's read through all of this.

00:09:27.380 She's also an expert on this, really this emerging field, I would say.

00:09:32.920 And I wanted to get her in to explain.

00:09:34.960 Dr. Chloe, how are you?

00:09:36.520 Hey, Jack.

00:09:37.080 Great to be with you.

00:09:37.920 So we're, and just like everyone else, we see these leaks, we see this, and I'm just going to call it as it seems like a toxic relationship, you know, and caveats, you know, that that we do believe these leaks are corroborated, that Turkey Tom has photos of the individuals together, of his source, et cetera.

00:09:57.940 We do know that other photos from inside work were corroborated to be at the home that Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson were living at.

00:10:07.160 And I guess, Dr. Chloe, let's imagine, you know, imagine these two were in front of you for some relationship therapy. 1.00

00:10:16.680 What would your diagnosis be, just reading through some of this?

00:10:22.220 Wow.

00:10:22.600 I mean, that's a big question, Jack.

00:10:25.100 If these two were in front of me for some kind of relationship therapy, I mean, I think one of the first things that I would just need to understand is what is their belief about the nature of their relationship.

00:10:39.360 From what I understand, Lance Twiggs believed himself to be transitioning, you know, from a man into a woman.

00:10:48.440 And, you know, apparently maybe Tyler Robinson might have been what we would call colluding, and we used to call it a folie a deux in psychology, when you have two people that are participating in the same delusion together.

00:11:05.680 So I would be interested to understand some of the very basic underpinnings of how they viewed their relationship in the first place, because especially since it appears that Tyler, that shot was fired at the very first trans question that was posed to Charlie Kirk.

00:11:24.940 So I think the question of understanding, you know, what exactly they believe themselves to be and what trans meant to them might be important.

00:11:33.020 And I think that's exactly right.

00:12:03.000 This is either in hiding or some form of witness protection.

00:12:05.500 But, you know, for me, I'll just put it this way.

00:12:08.480 I'm sitting right here.

00:12:11.020 This is the Charlie Kirk studio.

00:12:13.140 This is the desk that I'm sitting at right now.

00:12:15.200 This is the microphone where he launched the Charlie Kirk show.

00:12:17.540 I sat here in here with him so many times and he's he's not going to be coming back because of what happened.

00:12:26.020 And the evidence points to individual as being the one on the roof who did this, who etched into the bullets the messages towards his his, you know, who he viewed as his oppressor.

00:12:38.860 But a guy who's my friend and who was the husband of my friend, Erica, and the father to two small children.

00:12:46.560 So I think it's incumbent on us and really as a country to understand why that happened and understand what drove them to this act.

00:12:54.240 And I think when you and I were talking about this before, I remember you had said that it almost seemed like like Tyler may have been doing this as a form of acting out of romance romance or the idea that he was trying to protect twigs.

00:13:07.280 I'm reading through some of these new leaks and I'm wondering, do you think there could be an angle where he was almost trying to impress twigs by doing this?

00:13:15.860 Because we do see that the friend here in these leaks is saying that Tyler was not particularly, you know, sexually experienced.

00:13:24.260 He was also not particularly politically experienced, but he knew that twigs was. 1.00

00:13:29.080 So I wonder if this was a way for him in his perspective to try to think that he was impressing his his his his lover here.

00:13:36.180 Yeah, absolutely, Jack. And I think I've heard you use the phrase white knighting before, which to describe this, which I think comes into play as well.

00:13:46.420 You know, if if Tyler Robinson fancied himself, you know, as some kind of a hero here, because at this particular developmental age as well, these are very young men.

00:13:59.560 They're they're in a way they're still kind of in a late form of adolescence.

00:14:04.560 And that's a stage when they can really be craving and seeking social approval and social acceptance.

00:14:12.020 They can be trying on a lot of different identities.

00:14:15.120 And, you know, I think from things that both of them have expressed online, they may have even fallen prey to some of this extreme vilification of straight white men, especially, you know, conservative straight white men.

00:14:31.660 And so trying to really differentiate themselves from that identity as they try to seek out their own adult identity.

00:14:41.540 You know, it seems like there there could be a little bit of a goal there as far as, you know, becoming the white knight, but in a little bit of a twisted sense of what it means to be a white knight.

00:14:52.440 And that's right. And so when you're when when they're attempting to be, you know, or, you know, if this is true, he's attempting to be this white knight.

00:15:01.340 He's thinking, I want to impress my my lover.

00:15:06.220 I want to, you know, gain status, gain standing in his eyes, because it does seem like he's been, you know, he's putting this relationship and putting this identity, as you say, ahead of, you know,

00:15:20.520 Oh, my gosh, all things like basic human decency and morality, and you sort of your your normal social structures.

00:15:28.840 And so one thing that I learned, I guess I would say, serving at Guantanamo Bay for a year that which I did, and working in the interrogation cell is that when you when you hear the radicals, when you hear them, they never think that they are radical, they think that they're completely rational and logical.

00:15:48.220 And so it's unpacking that ideology, unpacking that form of thought that gets you to try to understand their motivations for why they did what they did.

00:15:58.080 Yeah, exactly. And they certainly, I imagine, got a great deal of input to validate and in a certain way, you know, miseducate them about, you know, what, say, it means to be trans.

00:16:14.120 I mean, from what I understand, they both were pretty heavily online, pretty heavily involved in Reddit and Discord.

00:16:21.720 And in your recent piece for Human Events, and when you spoke with Megyn Kelly, I thought you explored really well the fact that they went to high school during COVID lockdowns.

00:16:32.120 And the way you said it was that they couldn't step out into the world, the world was shut down.

00:16:37.940 And so they stepped out into the world online.

00:16:41.140 And we also know that that online world is extremely rife with pornography.

00:16:46.440 And it does appear that their expression of their sexuality, you know, was in some way tainted by that.

00:16:55.200 I mean, I just, I don't think young men naturally wake up saying, oh, I'll be trans or, oh, I'm into furries, right?

00:17:02.020 They're obviously getting that somewhere online.

00:17:05.020 And I also had shared with you a short while ago, an interesting piece from the Washington Examiner, and it was covered elsewhere, that there were basically some whistleblowers from, I think it was Pornhub or some other place, showing that they actively try to convert.

00:17:23.700 They call it convert users of their porn site that maybe are initially just seeking, you know, heterosexual, what we might call vanilla porn, but getting them specifically into trans stuff because they're seeking an ever higher bar of stimulation and, you know, a feeling of taboo.

00:17:41.900 And again, when you have these young men that are also at this developmental age seeking a form of identity, I think it could be, unfortunately, a perfect, terrible storm where their sense of identity can even become co-opted into this trans and into this furriness. 0.97

00:18:00.900 And then it gets rolled up with this, you know, leftist hatred of straight white men in the church.

00:18:06.200 I think Twigs had also been online maybe saying some things about leaving religion and Tyler Robinson.

00:18:13.700 They were both former Mormons or had grown up Mormon and were leaving the LDS church.

00:18:20.300 So that exactly lines up with what you're saying.

00:18:23.460 And, in fact, I've spoken to some—I'm Catholic, but, you know, I have some Mormon friends, and I was asking them about this as well.

00:18:30.320 And they said, you know, there's this—there are a lot of people in Utah that, you know, form this sort of former Mormon culture.

00:18:39.320 And for some people, when they leave the church, what they do is they run in the opposite direction to whatever the furthest thing away from, you know, mom and dad and the way that we were raised is.

00:18:53.440 And in this case, yeah, being a member of a, you know, quasi-Antifa trans furry cell using drugs and black market hormones is probably just as far as you can get from a conservative Mormon background. 0.84

00:19:06.840 Jack Posobiec, Dr. Chloe Carmichael will be right back on Events Daily.

00:19:10.900 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live here, Human Events Daily.

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00:20:55.800 Here, back with Dr. Chloe Carmichael.

00:20:57.740 Dr. Chloe, I've, you know, and I'm kind of using my sort of armchair analysis here.

00:21:03.840 I'm not an expert like you on some of this, but the disassociation that I see here with Crooks, with Mangione, with Robinson, Twiggs as well, there does seem to be a common thread.

00:21:17.380 These are young white men in the 20 to 27 age range.

00:21:22.680 They all went through the COVID experience.

00:21:25.020 I went to the White House and mentioned this, and people could see that roundtable on left-wing violence.

00:21:31.800 And I mentioned it to President Trump himself and said that I'm seeing an interesting profile here of these types of shooters.

00:21:40.440 And I don't think we should overlook those commonalities.

00:21:42.900 What do you make of this?

00:21:43.700 Yeah, I think that you are raising a really good point there.

00:21:47.820 So when you talk about dissociation, you know, I also think, for example, as you mentioned of drug use, I think Twiggs has acknowledged online that he used a lot of marijuana as a young person, right?

00:22:02.560 And then also the Journal of American Psychiatry acknowledged recently that even just the medium regular dose of ADHD medication is linked to a three-times, three-fold increased likelihood towards issues with psychoticism, which is, of course, a break from reality.

00:22:23.560 And then when we have people being steered into this extreme online virtual world, that actually kind of requires a form of dissociation as well when you're disconnecting with the world around you and stepping into this virtual world.

00:22:40.680 So I think that you're raising a really good point that all of these young men during COVID were kind of pushed into their bedrooms, pushed into the world of computers, possibly using a lot of marijuana, possibly also on other medications that may have been good for them and maybe not.

00:23:02.520 And, you know, I also wonder what's going on with these, in some cases, the parenting.

00:23:08.240 I mean, how is Lance, as he discussed online, using not only extremely heavy marijuana use, but he also discussed, you know, drinking large amounts of vodka and things like that.

00:23:19.540 I'm wondering where the parents are in all of this as well.

00:23:22.760 And so if these young men are not getting grounded in real life through, you know, church, family, being out with friends, they are, as you said, dissociating.

00:23:32.520 And when we look at, say, the icons on things like Reddit or Discord, the icons, the logos of those sites, they look like a human that's half robot, right?

00:23:46.960 It's inviting this, you know, not the icon in and of itself, but the whole thing, you know, and combined with the excess of porn use.

00:23:55.460 I do think that dissociation is a good word for that, to describe what all that adds up to.

00:24:02.520 And what do we also see?

00:24:04.380 We know that Crooks, Thomas Matthew Crooks, President Trump's would-be assassin from Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:24:09.720 One of the last things that he did before he went up on that roof in Butler was search pornography.

00:24:16.080 Then we go and we look at Tyler Robinson and they tell us that his social media footprint, his internet footprint includes very strange pornographic searches where he's involved in websites where they're digging into furry porn and stuff that even includes young anthropomorphized children that are involved in these sexual acts.

00:24:42.980 Something that seems very disturbing.

00:24:45.980 I did not spend a lot of time looking at this stuff, but for purposes of understanding, I pulled it up.

00:24:51.380 It's gross.

00:24:52.340 It's some of the grossest stuff that I've ever seen.

00:24:54.700 And yet, you know, they've put themselves in a position, and I think you're right.

00:24:58.420 I don't think it starts there.

00:24:59.320 I think it starts more vanilla, but they get to a point where they're totally wrapped around the axle because they're completely dissociated with reality.

00:25:07.040 And yet we're also told that Twigs' grandfather was the one who actually owned the home where all of this was going on.

00:25:13.200 Yeah, you know, that's a good point, too.

00:25:16.540 I mean, apparently their parents were in some level financially enabling, you know, this type of lifestyle that they were living, which is a whole other question as well.

00:25:27.280 But, you know, as well to your point about Lance Twigs and some of the materials that you sent me here, I noticed that on his TikTok account, on one of his TikTok accounts, the icon, the facial image that was posted there was actually just what appears to be some kind of a furry hat or furry face mask.

00:25:48.780 And it was shared, apparently, with a user called Youngest Kami, and, you know, to your point about the youth, and then this looping in of Marxism, which, of course, wants to strip away and break down the family and to strip away and break down religion.

00:26:07.860 And so when we stop looking basically upward to think of our identity and we look excessively inward or excessively into the screen of a computer where there's nothing in many ways except this extreme, ironically, capitalist, right, where they're oftentimes so hung up on Marxism.

00:26:28.500 But it's this extreme capitalist culture, actually, with, you know, whether it be Pornhub or these other places that are just trying to stir them deeper and deeper into, you know, really extreme pornography, which can dissociate them from just their normal sense of identity and values, again, especially when they're at this really sensitive developmental age.

00:26:52.880 So then they're getting flooded with dopamine because they're, you know, using excessive porn, which then is followed by a feeling of emptiness, that they only feel that they can...

00:27:04.120 And they're telling themselves that this is the way to get more.

00:27:08.240 Quick break. Hold it right there because we can't skip this. We'll be right back. Human Defense Daily.

00:27:17.040 There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioned.

00:27:22.880 Did that correlate with what you saw?

00:27:24.920 Um, yeah, definitely.

00:27:26.920 He was going to have an operation to be, um, to tell him to a woman.

00:27:31.560 Yeah.

00:27:32.160 And then he was sick.

00:27:33.080 Yeah.

00:27:34.120 All right, Jack Wasubic, we're back. Human Events Daily.

00:27:37.180 We're talking about the psychology of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.

00:27:41.620 I want to toss it back to Dr. Chloe Carmichael. 0.53

00:27:43.440 She got cut off in the last segment because we are talking about this situation where they...

00:27:49.120 You're talking about these young men who are living in, I think, very cases, many cases, depraved states and a very, you know, these are these downward spirals.

00:27:59.940 And yet they still keep choosing to continue on this path rather than simply walk away and, you know, think to themselves, I don't need to do this.

00:28:11.420 I could, I can walk away and I can go back home and I can go somewhere else.

00:28:15.220 And yet they never seem to do it, do they?

00:28:17.880 Well, no, but I mean, that's because I think of all of these forces to demonize and confuse them about what it would mean to walk away.

00:28:26.780 Like, walk away towards what Charlie Kirk was offering, you know, of a healthy sense of manhood and community.

00:28:35.480 You know, Tyler Robinson had been tricked into thinking that Charlie Kirk himself, you know, represented evil and hatred.

00:28:44.280 I mean, can you imagine, of course, the irony of saying, well, I have to get rid of all that hatred and so therefore I'm going to, you know, assassinate him.

00:28:52.380 But even from a very young age, you know, there's a very haunting photo of Tyler Robinson when he was maybe 13 and he's, you know, absorbed at his computer gaming.

00:29:03.220 And his mom, I think, had posted the picture herself with something like, ha ha, now he can, you know, totally ignore us.

00:29:09.520 And we know with those online games, they are, they're rife with predators.

00:29:13.660 I saw something recently on Sean Ryan's show about Roblox actually has child-facing materials there where kids can relive the simulation of shooting Charlie Kirk or of being in that audience.

00:29:29.560 And so, you know, young men are seeking a place where they can feel strong and useful and competent.

00:29:35.800 And I think that these online worlds, whether it be through gaming or through pornography or some of these really warped places on Reddit or Discord, are hijacking that sense of manhood and pointing it towards something really awful and perverse.

00:29:53.000 So they don't realize they need to walk away because they think that they're developing into a hero.

00:29:57.940 They're developing into a hero or perhaps even a type of hero known as a white knight.

00:30:05.400 You just mentioned they want to feel strong and useful.

00:30:12.460 Why is it that young men don't feel useful in today's society?

00:30:17.440 Exactly, because everything that would normally guide them to feel useful, like say to be providers, protectors, you know, leaders within their church and their community, it's all been branded as toxic masculinity to them, especially if God forbid that they should be a straight white male.

00:30:38.660 And so, ironically, that desire to be useful and strong and helpful in society, they've been programmed to think the way to do that is actually to tear down society and to separate from, you know, even the fact of their masculinity.

00:30:55.200 I think that's why they may be so vulnerable to some of this, you know, trans stuff. 0.99

00:31:02.000 What better way to step away from what they've been seen as this, oh, I'm just a terrible, toxic, straight white male. 0.94

00:31:08.820 I know I could be trans. 0.98

00:31:10.540 Oh, even better, I'll be furry or, you know, date people within that space.

00:31:16.000 I think it's a disavowal and, as you said, a dissociation from who they are because society in many ways has vilified them.

00:31:24.860 And this is a key element here because they're feeling vilified.

00:31:31.120 So that's what creates the dissociation in the first place, that they then go and find new outlets, drugs, video games, online pornography, all of these other things.

00:31:42.760 Because, and not to mention all of the economic effects as well that I think we, you know, we talk about a lot here on the program in general when it comes to Gen Z and how if you have this sense that the real world has nothing for you, that the real world is against you, that the real world is hostile to you, then perhaps you return back with the sense of being hostile to the world itself.

00:32:07.920 And something else that you picked up or that you've mentioned that I wanted to go back to in, and you wrote an entire book about this and it's the question of free speech.

00:32:19.120 And so Charlie, of course, was a champion of free speech.

00:32:23.760 He was participating in free speech when, uh, when he was shot and killed.

00:32:29.060 And in fact, the title of it was his debate me series.

00:32:33.100 And you wrote a book, Can I Say That, Why Free Speech Matters and How to Use It Fearlessly.

00:32:40.020 So Charlie's perspective was, if you disagree with me, come to the front and let's have a conversation.

00:32:46.640 Tyler Robinson, we're told in one of these conversations with his parents before they turned him in and identified him and all this happened, that I have to stop his hate.

00:32:57.460 Now, as far as I know, Charlie wasn't ever violent to anyone.

00:33:01.720 He never physically attacked anyone, but he did or, or, or did anything, uh, you know, in, in, in any capacity, breaking the law, something like that.

00:33:09.480 But he did talk.

00:33:11.220 Why is it that these people view speech itself as a form of an attack on them physically?

00:33:18.800 Well, I, I think in part because they've been, you know, programmed to, to feel that way.

00:33:25.660 You know, I, I honestly think a lot of this traces back to Marxism and things that they're learning in schools, uh, unfortunately.

00:33:32.820 But it really is a very strong thread within the trans movement specifically, that if you should, you know, say to a, uh, uh, quote, trans man, you know, you're actually a woman or, you know, use, use biologically accurate pronouns.

00:33:49.040 Um, they'll say you are threatening my existence.

00:33:52.460 Um, and I, I think, again, it, there's this issue of dissociation and ironically, as a clinical psychologist, if I'm working with somebody say that, you know, comes into my office and says, Hey, I am seeing, seeing little green men.

00:34:07.420 I would not immediately confront them and say, no, you're not.

00:34:11.340 They're not there.

00:34:12.100 My first questions would be, well, what do they say to you?

00:34:16.440 How long have you seen them?

00:34:18.100 I would be trying to explore and understand, you know, what that delusion, what that psychotic delusion, um, you know, represents to the person because everybody knows, psychologists know that if you just come in and you hit them over the head, you know, by telling them that their delusion is false, they will shut down completely and, you know, really act out and act up, um, very much like a, like a trans person who says, you know, 0.65

00:34:46.320 you're threatening my existence because they've hinged to their existence on something that is untrue.

00:34:52.960 Um, so of course it creates a lot of instability.

00:34:56.220 That was ironically, the question that was posed to Charlie Kirk is how many mass shooters are trans.

00:35:03.260 And ironically, he was shot at that moment, um, you know, presumably by Tyler Robinson, presumably, allegedly, in part, maybe because of his relationship with Lance Twiggs about being trans.

00:35:18.160 So he's, he's, he's in this conversation, he's in this relationship, he's viewing his identity, his viewing his, as being wrapped up in this, which is beyond anything that, that the real world offers himself.

00:35:34.900 And he, and he just seems totally lost in this, it seems like he was totally lost in this identity to the point where I, I, I suppose I should say he did understand that there would be consequences because we do see these messages.

00:35:48.840 We see these, uh, this, this sense with his parents, when his parents do confront him, you know, he, he's trying to get the rifle and bring it back.

00:35:57.920 He's trying to cover up what he did.

00:36:00.680 So, you know, is there a sense then, I suppose, that he's almost living like a double life where he's one person with his parents, but he's another person with Twiggs?

00:36:09.720 Yeah, I would say it, it certainly does seem that way, you know, kind of a, a bifurcated identity, which again, can be very isolating, um, that, that causes depression.

00:36:21.000 It's actually one of the first things an abuser wants to do to a victim is to isolate them and make them feel as if, you know, their, their friends and family don't understand them.

00:36:31.860 And I think that's exactly what happens when people go down this awful, you know, trans, furry porn rabbit hole online, where they just get deeper and deeper into this world that really does make no sense, that really is disconnected from reality. 1.00

00:36:47.860 And then of course, um, you know, the, the dark forces there tend to vilify the person's actual family and say, oh, well, you know, you, you should probably go no contact with them or, oh, you know, they're threatening your existence because, you know, to your point about my book about free speech and the importance of speaking accurately, language is one of our most profound tools as humans.

00:37:11.460 It's, um, it's, um, we, we, we, we actually, psychologists sometimes refer to words, um, as objects that are, that are representing prototypes.

00:37:19.640 So it's, it's really part of the glue that allows us to communicate together about reality.

00:37:25.840 And so when people start, you know, tinkering with that by saying like, oh, well, it's a trans man or, oh, you know, this is a furry.

00:37:34.020 Um, and then when other people push back on that language, because it is important to be grounded in reality and to be communicating accurately, um, they, they can start to unravel and become very hostile.

00:37:47.700 Jack Posobiec, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, the toxic psychology of Tyler Robinson, be right back here, human events daily in today's special.

00:38:07.660 I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

00:38:11.540 I do not take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently as county attorney based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.

00:38:28.100 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back.

00:38:29.640 Final segment here with Dr. Chloe Carmichael.

00:38:32.640 Dr. Chloe, I know that you've commented on criminal cases before, and look, we're not just speculating on this.

00:38:39.040 I, I do believe that, that a lot of this relationship and a lot of the psychology here is going to come up in either in the conviction phase of the trial or in the sentencing phase, because we know that the state of Utah is seeking the death penalty.

00:38:54.580 Uh, there have been many cases where the death penalty has been taken off because of psychological issues.

00:39:00.280 And it just seems to me that this is certainly going to be one of the big points of contention for the defense team, for Tyler Robinson, that so if he is convicted, convicted on the basis of the fingerprint evidence, of the DNA evidence tying him to the gun, the statements to the parents, the statements to friends, let's say for sake of argument that he is convicted.

00:39:21.960 Do you think this will play a role in the death penalty phase?

00:39:25.280 Well, I certainly imagine that the defense would attempt to trot that out, but I don't think that they would be successful because the, the behavior of Tyler Robinson following this event clearly shows that he was completely aware of the difference between right and wrong.

00:39:45.580 He didn't show up, for example, he didn't show up, for example, he didn't show up, for example, on site and say, hey, everybody, I'm going to do everybody a great favor and shoot Charlie Kirk fully believing that, you know, society would celebrate him.

00:39:55.040 That, that would be a suggestion that he was, um, you know, unaware of the difference of right and wrong.

00:40:00.260 Other reasons why people might use, you know, a psychological defect as a way to avoid accountability might be, for example, um, a very low IQ or lack of intelligence.

00:40:10.300 Um, I don't think that Tyler could plead that either, you know, my understanding is that, um, he was actually very intelligent.

00:40:17.520 What he did have, I would say, is an extreme sense of grandiosity, which is, you know, quite common again in young men, which is why it's so tragic that, um, he wasn't, um, I guess, able or willing to just, you know, be around strong men like you, Jack.

00:40:33.900 You know, people like Charlie Kirk, ironically, you know, that, that could lead him and shape him and sometimes check him, um, and, and teach him to use his, his, his desire to be a man and to, to stand up for what he believed was right, um, in, in a more cogent and productive way.

00:40:50.500 Um, so a person can absolutely be mentally ill, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to feed to an insanity plea because I don't think that there's a lack of competency that his mental illness, if it exists, could be used to, um, to, to suggest.

00:41:06.440 Right. So what you're, and, and I want to, I want to break this down because I'm, I know for a fact, uh, almost that, uh, you know, that, um, you know, this is certainly going to be the way that they try to, uh, you know, go for life in prison or, uh, potentially there's been some talk about, you know, not, not officially, but I've had, you know, a lot of commentators saying, well, what if there's going to be a plea deal to take the death penalty off the case?

00:41:34.860 Like we saw in the Brian Koberger case up in Idaho and other kids, uh, situation where it looked like a conviction was going to be likely, then what you're saying though, because of his lack of, or I should say, no, because of his direct knowledge of what he was doing, because of his understanding of right and wrong, because we, you know, take all of the, you know, the psychology of, okay.

00:42:02.640 Why was he involved in this stuff? Why was he looking at this stuff online? He still understood what he was doing. He understood what he was doing and he made a direct decision to, and, and by the way, he created this plan. He was hiding the gun under his, you know, under his, um, his clothing. This was no active passion is what I'm trying to say. There's a lot.

00:42:21.640 It was premeditated. There's pre it's premed, extremely premeditated to the point where, and I, I, I suspect that there's going to be information coming out that this wasn't the first time that he had traveled to this campus, a campus that's hours and hours away from where he lived.

00:42:37.640 This was not the same part of Utah where he and twigs lived. I think it was a three hour drive each time that he visited. So it's something that, and they say, when you commit murder, uh, in a premeditated sense, you never commit the murder once that you commit it over and over and over in your mind before you make that final act. And that's clearly what he did here. 0.52

00:42:58.520 Yeah. In fact, I think some of the text messages, um, if they're accurate, in fact, he, he says that he's been planning this, you know, for about a week. Um, so, uh, it's, it's not as if it were impulsive or an act of passion. It's not as if he lacks intelligence and it's not as if he doesn't have the capacity, um, to understand right and wrong. So I, I, again, with the Brian Kohlberger case, I think there were some other issues, um, where I, I, I think even his confession itself might

00:43:28.440 have been part of a plea deal. Um, but my understanding is that, um, Tyler Robinson, I, I don't know, has he actually even acknowledged already, um, you know, that he did this? I, I'm not sure. Do you, do you know if he has?

00:43:40.780 Well, no, I don't, I don't believe he has in court, but what we do know is that he's, he's obviously there's the text messages. There's the discord chat where he comes into and says, Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know that was me yesterday.

00:43:54.360 And then we're also told that when his parents confronted him, he implied to them that it was in fact him and, and really his parents figured it out. I mean, they, you know, they saw the gun. It was a, um, it was a unique recognizable rifle to them. And then of course the fact that, and, and this is what I keep coming back to, which is even beyond all of the, now, of course, they'll have to prove in court that, you know, the evidence, the DNA, et cetera.

00:44:19.200 But the fact that it was his parents that made the idea and not law enforcement, I think that makes a very strong case because what parent is not going to identify their own child.

00:44:28.420 Yeah, exactly. And my goodness, we haven't even gotten into talking about say Lance Twiggs is, um, allegedly what his mother was allegedly doing as well with some of the Venmo payments. Maybe we'll save that for another day.

00:44:40.360 Um, but no, I, I, I definitely don't see, um, Tyler Robinson being able to successfully plead, um, you know, to insanity because usually, um, I, I think that that type of a plea deal would be offered if the prosecution, you know, needed to get it.

00:44:58.380 Or if he actually had a legitimate case, uh, to plead insanity as the reason why he would have done this.

00:45:05.760 And I don't see either one of those, uh, being plausible here. My, my hope and prayer, um, is that he, he has to take full accountability for what he did.

00:45:15.280 I think that would be, um, actually really good for society as well. I think our society is organized better when people have a sense of accountability.

00:45:24.520 So, um, you know, I, I, I love Erica Kirk for forgiving him, but I also don't think that necessarily meant that she, you know, was, um, arguing against the death penalty for him either.

00:45:38.300 Yeah. And, and Erica has, um, mentioned this a few times publicly, um, interviews with, uh, Fox News and the New York Times when asked about it that, you know, uh, she, I believe the line she used is that I don't want his blood on my hands.

00:45:54.520 And totally understandable because as a Christian, she wants to go to heaven and see Charlie again.

00:46:00.160 And, you know, at the same time, I, I, I come from the same perspective as you where it's, it's about correction for society.

00:46:10.100 And by the way, Charlie himself was in general, a supporter of the death penalty on the very same grounds.

00:46:15.460 He points out that the Bible, um, mandates it early on in even all the way back to the Torah and that Charlie pointed out that it is the proper corrective for society.

00:46:26.040 And I love the way that he put it.

00:46:27.120 And I tweet this out sometimes where he said, it's not, it's not just about punishing the victim or punishing the, the perpetrator.

00:46:34.660 It's about showing society that the victim's life had value.

00:46:40.240 And that's really what it all is, isn't it?

00:46:41.920 That we learn to value each other as individuals, even if we disagree that we can still at least agree that we each do have that value.

00:46:50.420 Exactly.

00:46:51.160 And there's also an element of deterrence.

00:46:53.440 That's another one of the points, you know, of our justice system in the first place.

00:46:57.520 I, I think that Trump, uh, in this case or another case, uh, called for a swift and public execution.

00:47:03.640 I think that might've been for the murder.

00:47:05.380 Well, to be fair, he calls for that in every case.

00:47:07.700 Yeah.

00:47:08.580 Yeah.

00:47:09.420 Um, and, but I, I do think that there is again, a value in that, you know, for, for the fact of deterrence and, you know, for the fact of ownership of justice, that it shouldn't be something, you know, that has to be done, you know, in, in private.

00:47:24.440 Um, I also, frankly, don't think it should necessarily have to be something that happens with, you know, some kind of a, you know, painless euthanasia procedure either.

00:47:34.300 I mean, I, I, I think that there is value in the, in the element of.

00:47:39.080 Charlie, Charlie talked about this and we did a show together and people have clipped it up, but he talked about this the exact same way you are.

00:47:46.160 Dr. Chloe Carmichael, where can people go to follow you and get the book?

00:47:49.380 Thanks, Jack.

00:47:51.020 FreeSpeechToday.com.

00:47:52.100 That's FreeSpeechToday.com.

00:47:53.900 Um, I'd love to, uh, connect with people there for my book, for my social media, and for little groups about the importance of free speech.

00:48:01.720 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 28, 2025

The Toxic Psychology of Tyler Robinson

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