Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Truth About Defunding Fake News and Woke Media w⧸ FCC Commissioner Simington

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00:00:26.680 Money, and we're going to get them a beautiful flight back to where they came from.

00:00:31.080 And they have a period of time.

00:00:33.500 And if they make it, we're going to work with them so that maybe someday, with a little work,

00:00:38.440 they can come back in if they're good people, if they're the kind of people that we want in our company,

00:00:42.620 industrious people that could love our country.

00:00:46.160 And if they're not, they won't.

00:00:47.580 But it will give them a path to becoming, you know, to coming back into the country. 1.00

00:00:52.540 If they miss that limit, they're going to be taken out of our country.

00:00:57.120 And they never have, they have never, they will never get a path to come back in.

00:01:02.700 And it will be a much tougher process.

00:01:04.960 And it's called self-deportation.

00:01:07.780 And by doing that, you know, you're talking about so many millions of people.

00:01:11.800 By doing that, we have, by the way, we've taken out thousands of terrorists, drug lords.

00:01:20.500 What we've done is amazing.

00:01:22.260 You're going to show Tom Homan and Kristi Noem have done an incredible job.

00:01:26.360 They really have done an incredible job.

00:01:28.140 But it's a, it's a hard job.

00:01:30.380 So we're going to have a self-deportation where they deport themselves out of our country.

00:01:37.680 And we'll work with them.

00:01:39.040 And we're going to try.

00:01:40.200 And if they, if we think they're good, they have, you know, the people we want in our country,

00:01:44.780 they're going to come back into our country. 0.99

00:01:46.420 We'll give them a little easier route.

00:01:48.020 But if they don't work, and if we take them out after the date, then they're never coming back.

00:01:54.880 That's the least of the problems that they're going to have.

00:01:57.420 Yeah, please.

00:01:57.960 What's your expectation for your meeting with the Canadian prime minister tomorrow?

00:02:01.760 I don't know.

00:02:02.180 He's coming to see me.

00:02:03.080 I'm not sure what he wants to see me about, but I guess he wants to make a deal.

00:02:06.640 Everybody does.

00:02:07.820 They all want to make a deal because we have something that they all want.

00:02:12.040 We have something that they all want.

00:02:14.000 China wants to make a deal very badly.

00:02:15.740 You see what's happening to China.

00:02:17.000 China is being decimated, and I don't want that to happen.

00:02:20.700 But they have to make a fair deal.

00:02:22.280 We were losing hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

00:02:24.780 We were losing five.

00:02:26.060 Think of it on our trade policies with Biden.

00:02:29.760 We're losing $5 billion a day.

00:02:32.460 I think Josh, as a great businessman, would not let that happen too long, right?

00:02:36.480 How many, how many groups can lose $5 billion a day?

00:02:39.560 If you lose $5 billion one day, that's the end of that company, right?

00:02:43.260 You're fired.

00:02:44.000 He says, you're fired.

00:02:45.080 Get out of here.

00:02:45.660 So we essentially did that, and we have it down to a very low number.

00:02:50.360 We're doing really well, really well.

00:02:53.260 Yeah.

00:02:53.620 How did you decide to reopen Alcatraz?

00:02:56.400 Can you walk us through that decision?

00:02:57.920 Did I say what?

00:02:59.060 To reopen Alcatraz.

00:03:00.560 How will you use it?

00:03:01.500 How did you come up with the idea?

00:03:02.860 Well, I guess I was supposed to be a movie maker.

00:03:05.780 We're talking to, we started with the movie making and it will end.

00:03:08.400 I mean, it represents something very strong, very powerful in terms of law and order.

00:03:13.880 Our country needs law and order.

00:03:15.640 Alcatraz is, you know, Alcatraz is, I would say, the ultimate, right?

00:03:19.940 Alcatraz.

00:03:20.520 Sing Sing and Alcatraz, the movies.

00:03:22.840 But it's right now a museum, believe it or not.

00:03:26.980 A lot of people go there.

00:03:28.640 It housed the most violent criminals in the world and nobody ever escaped.

00:03:34.720 One person almost got there, but they, as you know the story, they found his clothing rather

00:03:40.320 badly ripped up and it was a lot of shark bites, a lot of, a lot of problems.

00:03:46.600 Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz and just represented something strong having to do with law and order.

00:03:53.180 We need law and order in this country and so we're going to look at it.

00:03:58.060 Some of the people up here are going to be working very hard on that and we had a little conversation.

00:04:04.000 I think it's going to be very interesting.

00:04:05.280 We'll see if we can bring it back in large form, add a lot.

00:04:10.320 But I think it represents something.

00:04:12.200 Right now it's a big hulk that's sitting there rusting and rotting.

00:04:17.500 Very, you look at it, it's sort of, you saw that picture that was put out, it's sort of amazing.

00:04:24.340 But it sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful and strong and miserable, weak.

00:04:33.140 It's got a lot of, it's got a lot of qualities that are interesting and I think they, they make a point.

00:04:38.340 Okay, are you guys okay?

00:04:39.940 I want to just say that it's such an honor to be up here with my friends because this is a group of people that have done an amazing job and all we can do, Muriel and I, is give them the greatest sight there is, I think, that I've ever seen for something like this.

00:04:56.880 And I did very well in the real estate business.

00:04:59.480 I think this is the greatest sight there is anywhere in the world for exactly what you guys are doing and we'll work with you.

00:05:05.760 We've got a lot of work to do to get it going, but we'll work with you and we'll try and make the dream come true.

00:05:10.700 And I want to thank you all very much for being here.

00:05:13.240 Thank you.

00:05:13.780 Thank you very much.

00:05:14.800 We're going to help the people of Gaza get some food.

00:05:27.680 People are starving and we're going to help them get some food.

00:05:30.040 A lot of people are making it very, very bad.

00:05:33.920 What do you, if you look, Hamas is making it impossible because they're taking everything that's brought in. 0.50

00:05:39.360 But we're going to help the people of Gaza because they're being treated very badly by Hamas.

00:05:45.360 Thank you very much.

00:05:46.320 Thank you, Patrick.

00:05:47.360 Thank you, everyone.

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00:06:44.160 This is Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:06:45.940 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.

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00:06:58.040 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

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00:07:06.520 Today is May 5th, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:07:11.980 We are here on an incredible, auspicious occasion going into what's shaping up to be a fantastically huge week for world politics.

00:07:23.580 President Trump just finishing up a press conference there, impromptu press conference, as he does in the Oval Office.

00:07:30.340 I want to welcome in all of our listeners on the Salem Radio Network in Hour 3 of Charlie Kirk, as well as everyone watching along on Real America's Voice.

00:07:39.720 And by the way, huge shout out to the Rumble live chat as well as the Getter live chat.

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00:07:50.800 The email, of course, if you want to send your comments, questions, concerns, complaints, 1776 at humanevents.com, 1776 at humanevents.com.

00:08:00.200 Huge guest.

00:08:01.020 He was honestly just the you guys just said you wanted him so much more.

00:08:06.080 This is Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:08:07.860 Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.

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00:08:16.880 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live from a cloudy Washington, D.C.

00:08:28.420 Today is May 5th, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:08:33.840 We are here on an incredible, auspicious occasion going into what's shaping up to be a fantastically huge week for world politics.

00:08:45.420 President Trump just finishing up a press conference there, impromptu press conference as he does in the Oval Office.

00:08:52.340 I want to welcome in all of our listeners on the Salem Radio Network in Hour 3 of Charlie Kirk, as well as everyone watching along on Real America's Voice.

00:09:01.620 And by the way, huge shout out to the Rumble live chat as well as the Getter live chat.

00:09:07.460 We don't always give you guys as much love, but it's always here right from the bottom of my heart.

00:09:12.700 The email, of course, if you want to send your comments, questions, concerns, complaints, 1776 at humanevents.com, 1776 at humanevents.com.

00:09:22.080 Huge guest.

00:09:22.920 He was honestly just the you guys just said you wanted him so much more on the program.

00:09:28.840 So we said, fine, we'll bring him on if we did just on the other day on the program.

00:09:33.100 Folks, it's FCC Commissioner Nate Symington.

00:09:35.840 And we are now pronouncing his name correctly.

00:09:37.960 Nate and Commissioner, how are you?

00:09:41.360 Doing great, Jack.

00:09:42.380 Always a pleasure.

00:09:43.100 Hope you're well.

00:09:44.700 Thank you.

00:09:45.280 I am very well.

00:09:46.380 And and it's a great week and it's shaping up to be an even bigger one. 0.87

00:09:50.680 One of the things that I wanted to to have you on and we ended up having an impromptu discussion last week about tariffs and shit building and all sorts of things.

00:09:58.340 But one of the big pieces last week that had still been on the chopping block and really gotten a lot of press were these questions regarding NPR and PBS.

00:10:08.520 Now, I remember, I believe it was back in March where the hearings were held on the House side regarding this and these questions of bias,

00:10:16.040 these questions of taking a political side, ideological editorial selection based on, you know, partisanship.

00:10:24.920 And of course, questions about things like covid, the the BLM situation in in cities, which which I would consider.

00:10:33.980 I think most people would consider riots were totally glossed over.

00:10:36.980 And then meanwhile, things like Hunter Biden's laptop also in 2020 had actually NPR officials coming out and saying that this was not a real story.

00:10:45.160 President Trump has called for the defunding of these operations.

00:10:49.860 Where does all of this stand and what would the FCC's role in something like that be?

00:10:54.780 Yeah, it's it's it's a question of the moment, isn't it?

00:10:59.040 Because things have progressed since we since we last talked, you know, that NPR building that you were that you were showing there on the stream.

00:11:06.260 That's just across the street from the FCC.

00:11:09.200 So if you're visiting one, you know, then then you can drop by and visit the other sort of a funny coincidence how it works.

00:11:15.160 So it's the distinction between a network and a broadcaster.

00:11:20.120 That's, I think, really fundamental to how we understand the role of the First Amendment in all of this.

00:11:25.280 The United States notably has never really had a state broadcaster the same as was the norm in most other countries.

00:11:32.480 If you talk to people from from Canada or you talk to people from the UK, very culturally similar countries in some ways, they're still surprised when they drive across the United States and find small radio stations all over the place with independent programming.

00:11:46.500 The model that we developed in the United States is very much based upon private broadcasting because it's based upon the idea of editorial independence.

00:11:54.900 And so with with a broadcaster, their First Amendment protections are limited only by the exclusionary principle that when you broadcast, you're restricting other people from broadcasting on that frequency at that location.

00:12:07.380 So we do have some very light regulations around speech that come around that, but it's not content based regulations.

00:12:13.480 We don't come in and say what your editorial position has to be.

00:12:16.100 That's very different from a state ministry of radio or a state broadcaster deciding what the party line is and then using the public's money to promote that perspective.

00:12:24.640 Now, with NPR and CBS, we're dealing with a network question as much as a broadcaster question, because neither one of them is a station ownership group.

00:12:35.880 Instead, the model is that you have community owned stations or nonprofit stations and content comes to them from one of these publicly funded networks.

00:12:44.560 And so and in fact, you know, if you ever used to watch PBS, I'm I did growing up that although that was a cable channel, we do we actually still do PBS retro all the time in the house.

00:12:57.680 I wasn't really big when I was a kid, but the man, I got to say those the Kratz brothers, Wild Kratz, Kratz Preachers and Zubumafu, those those guys.

00:13:08.420 I mean, they just doing top notch work. And it's it's just not it's just not like the new stuff you see out there.

00:13:15.540 That's absolutely true. And I mean, programs like Nova, I mean, that's I have a lot of fond memories of that kind of thing.

00:13:21.240 When you watch that, you see very often that there's a production credit for a particular station that was the production partner.

00:13:27.160 And in fact, what you'll what you'll see is that there was a particular station that would have hired someone like, for example, Mr. Rogers and made an agreement with him.

00:13:34.160 And then they would have distributed it through the public broadcasting network to other member stations that would have picked up the programming.

00:13:42.140 So so in that case, you've got the network, so to speak, acting as a coordinator, but it's the actual broadcasters that are FCC licensees.

00:13:50.500 So there's this nexus is the is the local is the local originator of programming, assuming there is one.

00:13:56.640 It might just be network source programming, but is the local originator of programming acting in the public interest?

00:14:02.100 Are they acting consistent with their license terms?

00:14:04.440 If it's if it's the network taking a party line and pushing that content out, then the question becomes a little different because the network isn't a regulated entity in the same way.

00:14:14.100 That's why if you have a problem with it as a member of the public, your your recourse is really more to their funding source, which is what we're seeing here with the federal government's actions than it is to anyone's licenses.

00:14:25.760 To put it bluntly, NPR and PBS don't have licenses.

00:14:28.820 They're coordinating between groups of people who do.

00:14:31.900 And that's, I think, part of the conceptual confusion that makes it so difficult for the public to to get comfortable with this idea that you can have this extremely party line,

00:14:42.360 partisan and biased programming that nonetheless purports to be public programming.

00:14:46.800 It really what that is, is a statement that this programming that I feel is partisan or that's, you know, that some member of the public feels is partisan or biased or distorted or incomplete is originating with a network that they are, in a sense, paying for or partially paying for.

00:15:01.620 And I think, you know, that's, that's the point at which the public feels that they can say, well, this isn't the CBC, this isn't the BBC, I don't feel the need to contribute my tax dollars to an editorial organ that is going to denigrate me and that is going to present an incomplete version of the news.

00:15:16.680 We're very far from the Kraft brothers or from Nova or from a station that's oriented towards a just the facts, ma'am approach to presenting the radio and, you know, I'm sorry, the meteorology information and current events.

00:15:30.460 Once it becomes an editorial opinion, I think at that point, the public's entitled to say, well, who's in charge here and why are they getting my money?

00:15:39.360 That's what we're seeing.

00:15:40.040 So, and this is just for my own notification, it's, it's, it's not necessarily that, you know, NPR or PBS are getting the money directly.

00:15:49.980 You're saying it's, it's the network of distribution that potentially gets this taxpayer dollars and then their content is just shared through that network.

00:15:59.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:00.380 So there are, there are different funding sources playing into all of these broadcasters, you know, as we've seen from Doge.

00:16:05.840 Uh, sometimes there are, sometimes money goes through many hands before it winds up in, um, in the, in the control of some particular body that's going to spend it operationally.

00:16:15.760 Um, of course with PBS, we all know that some of their funding also comes from viewers like you, as they like to say.

00:16:22.020 And some stations really are, you know, primarily community funded enterprises and, um, that subscribe to the network because that's what the community wants.

00:16:30.820 You know, I mean, it's freedom of speech like any other, if you want to, if you want to consume that kind of thing, um, that's your freedom too.

00:16:37.260 But the real question is who's paying for it and why are we paying for it?

00:16:40.740 And, you know, has it been captured by a relatively small and inbred clique of people who have a particular view about this intellectually inbred view of this and who, um, are using the, the, I guess the good name of the United States government to launder what is really just their private and perhaps not very widely shared opinions.

00:16:59.420 Yeah.

00:17:00.820 Well, I think that's exactly right.

00:17:02.260 So we're, we're coming up on a break right now.

00:17:04.020 We're also, by the way, on, uh, the Salem radio network coast to coast.

00:17:07.980 So, uh, uh, of course, appreciating the irony of here we are discussing this while on rival radio stations, but at the same time, it's very important.

00:17:15.680 It's extremely important for people to understand where their taxpayer dollars are going and what their taxpayer dollars are supporting.

00:17:22.460 That's the entire point of Doge.

00:17:24.860 And the fact that this has been left basically on autopilot for so many years is exactly the reason that President Trump, Elon Musk, and so many others were put into place so that whatever dollar, whatever, every single cent that is being spent by the U.S. government is being done.

00:17:44.400 And so for the betterment of the quality of life of the American people, this is Jack Posobiec coming to you live here.

00:17:52.240 Human events daily on Real Markers Voice and Salem radio network.

00:17:55.840 Quick break right back. 0.79

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00:18:03.860 These are influences and, uh, they're friends of mine.

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00:18:16.100 All right, Jack Posobiec.

00:18:17.520 We are back live here.

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00:19:30.920 We're on with Commissioner Nate Symington of the FCC, and he's walking us through the complex ways in which PBS and NPR are actually funded.

00:19:43.060 People think they get direct government funding.

00:19:44.680 That's not how it works.

00:19:46.620 And so this is something where, and Commissioner, thank you again so much for your time and being on the show.

00:19:51.520 And I'm sure you can imagine that pretty much everyone in conservative media has been blasted by NPR.

00:19:58.240 This show host is definitely one of them.

00:20:03.460 But, you know, we've got an email in here from Dan in Rochester, and I want to read it.

00:20:08.200 He says, you know, I post, I love Commissioner Symington on the show, but I don't understand how woke programming sneaks into the news and sneaks onto my kids' TV.

00:20:19.040 I know Trump wants this to end, but I'm worried they'll find a loophole, fight, fight, fight.

00:20:24.080 So what would you say to Dan in Rochester?

00:20:28.400 Well, first of all, is that Rochester, New York, Rochester, Minnesota?

00:20:31.680 I ask because I got married in Rochester, New York.

00:20:33.860 Got a lot of fond memories of that place.

00:20:35.480 I will have to double check.

00:20:38.700 On here it just says Rochester.

00:20:40.520 Well, yeah, I guess I only wrote Rochester in the email, so we don't really have a way to dig it out.

00:20:45.620 No worries.

00:20:46.000 So as far as woke programming coming into kids' shows, just coming into the airwaves generally, you know, it's a tough situation because editorial independence in media is First Amendment protected.

00:21:05.500 And while some of this is, you know, is very obnoxious, the flip side of it is that in the United States, there's always been independent conservative media that has a real chance to function.

00:21:15.860 I mean, all the way back in the 60s when JFK was going after the independent conservative talk radio stations.

00:21:23.260 In many ways, the idea of having forced media balance is something that we've experimented with and we've been burned by it.

00:21:33.120 So under President Reagan, his FCC chair, Mark Fowler, managed to finally get rid of the so-called Fairness Doctrine in, I believe, 87.

00:21:41.340 And that had been a thorn in the side of conservative media for a long time because the balance requirement that it contained tended to be used in a one-sided fashion.

00:21:53.520 That is, it would be what we would consider a liberal point of view that was laundered as more of a neutral point of view.

00:22:02.760 And then conservatives were forced to allow right of response, et cetera, from the liberal side, leading to overall an unbalanced media environment under the cover of a regulatory fairness requirement.

00:22:14.440 So this is an uncomfortable situation for everyone.

00:22:17.360 Obviously, the Fairness Doctrine is long dead.

00:22:19.660 That's close to 40 years in the rearview mirror.

00:22:22.120 And effects to revive it, tellingly, always come from the left or from the Democratic Party.

00:22:29.240 And so, you know, that tells you what the legacy is and what it was like when we tried to mandate it.

00:22:33.700 It's not conservative media that wants to have a balance requirement brought back.

00:22:37.960 So where does that put a responsible father trying to deal with the question of woke content in children's media?

00:22:43.900 I guess I would say that that is why it's important to turn, if that's your choice, to a conservative media ecosystem.

00:22:51.160 And it raises larger questions.

00:22:53.800 Why is it that it's been so much easier to make a career in liberal media or in media containing a liberal point of view or liberal message?

00:23:05.480 It's larger questions of cultural orientation, ultimately, that have left the liberal point of view as the default point of view that is editorial independence protected.

00:23:15.480 So I guess my short answer is I think conservative media is in a healthier place than it's been before.

00:23:21.920 But if you feel that the mainstream media is giving your children messages that are inappropriate, then it's very hard for the government to step in within the constraints of the Constitution, which we welcome.

00:23:32.760 Speaking of constraints on radio and TV, we do have one of those coming up with another quick break.

00:23:41.440 But that being said, for those those those stations with licenses, perhaps perhaps there are some some funding questions that can be done there, as President Trump is talking about.

00:23:50.180 We're right back here.

00:23:51.040 Jack Posobiec.

00:23:51.940 Quick break.

00:23:52.340 Jack, I want to see you.

00:24:08.020 Great job, Jack.

00:24:09.520 Thank you.

00:24:10.280 What a job you do.

00:24:11.700 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:24:13.080 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:24:15.160 But we have guys and these are the guys should be getting.

00:24:18.360 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back here.

00:24:23.960 Human Events, Real America's Voice and our three Charlie Kirk show on the Salem Radio Network.

00:24:30.400 Folks, I got a question for you.

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00:26:17.620 So we're back on with FCC Commissioner Nate Simington.

00:26:20.520 We're talking about these questions and, you know, really heady issues about public funding for broadcasting, but also the importance of the First Amendment.

00:26:28.860 And, Commissioner, I guess the question that I would have to ask then that a lot of people are coming in with, there's always sort of this talk about, you know, there's this, I think, belief that the FCC can just pull licenses or we're pulling your license or pulling your license.

00:26:44.220 And, you know, I'm sure there's a bit more of a process to it than that.

00:26:47.620 But when President Trump is saying that he wants the funding to be cut off to these organizations, and I get that it's indirect funding, what tools are in the toolbox to get to the point where I think where President Trump wants the American taxpayer dollars not going to these left-wing causes?

00:27:06.800 Yeah, well, there are definitely sources of direct funding that you can directly reach.

00:27:12.820 And that's obviously within the discretion of the executive branch unless Congress has specifically told the president that he can.

00:27:21.720 That's not the case here.

00:27:22.600 So, as far as direct funding, that's relatively easy to touch.

00:27:27.760 As far as indirect funding, that's, again, that's a really interesting question because, as we are seeing, there are huge networks of indirect funding that pour from one place to another place.

00:27:37.520 And, you know, we've, the news says, I haven't looked into it myself, but the news was saying that there was a colossal slush fund discovered by Doge recently that had been spent on wildly discretionary things, just on parties, you know?

00:27:51.840 Now, until you understand the source of funding for these organizations and have traced it all the way up the chain, you don't really know what the tax contribution is.

00:28:02.520 On the other hand, I want to put some cold water on it just to the extent that if people are supporting a community-supported TV station and that is paying up to a network and the network programming is what those people want to get, then that is First Amendment protected too.

00:28:17.600 And that means, as much as anything, that we have to build up alternative media voluntarily, much as you're doing right at this moment, right?

00:28:27.340 And this is, I think, part of why this White House has been so open to alternative media, to influencers, to podcasters, and to other people who are outside the mainstream structures that have grown up over this time.

00:28:39.160 Those mainstream structures are encrusted partly culturally and partly financially with legacy sources of left-wing points of view that are probably pretty far to the left of the American public.

00:28:52.780 The solution, as they say, the solution to bad speech is more speech.

00:28:56.880 And the other side of it is that there's nothing that goes away so fast as a marginalized news organization.

00:29:03.320 It doesn't have to be political marginalization.

00:29:05.480 A lot of local newspapers just died for lack of interest.

00:29:07.640 They were sort of killed off by Craigslist because they were being kept afloat by the classifieds.

00:29:12.880 And then when someone provided classifieds on a cheaper basis that was online, that was the end of it.

00:29:17.880 And if it can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.

00:29:22.360 It just took a single strike in the 60s to kill the International Herald Tribune.

00:29:28.480 Sometimes it's just a matter of people walking away and saying,

00:29:31.880 No, having worked in, you know, having worked in, in, I actually, you know, got started in, in radio in Philadelphia as a, just at the intern level and then, you know, doing sales and stuff.

00:29:43.000 And, you know, you, when you see the, the margins and the budgets at some of this, it is, it is very tight.

00:29:49.100 And so, you know, you pull some, some source of funding and it, and it immediately pops off.

00:29:53.300 However, I've got to ask.

00:29:55.440 So, and we've got to get into it because I saw that you had written on this and 60 Minutes had the former vice president on recently with a clip talking about it.

00:30:06.760 And so we're going to get into the, I want to shift gears a little bit from PBS to CBS.

00:30:11.720 Guys, let's play that clip of Kamala Harris on CBS 60 Minutes.

00:30:17.260 But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

00:30:21.400 Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.

00:30:43.500 But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

00:30:47.400 We are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.

00:30:57.280 So, Commissioner, obviously this has gone 10 times viral on online.

00:31:05.420 It's the, it's the content of a lawsuit.

00:31:08.080 What is, what is the, what are the issues here from your perspective and the, the, the issues going forward for really just our, our country from the president's perspective?

00:31:18.000 Absolutely.

00:31:18.960 So, you know how I was talking about the importance of editorial independence and in a broadcast production context, obviously you're going to leave something on the cutting room floor.

00:31:29.100 No one airs all the footage that they shoot unless it's a live show.

00:31:33.640 So, um, that said, there, there's a longstanding FCC practice that while we don't scrutinize the truth of what's said on TV, um, we do scrutinize the honesty of the presentation of facts on TV.

00:31:48.640 So this is an important distinction.

00:31:50.620 Um, here's, here's how I'd like to frame it.

00:31:52.800 If someone, if a presidential candidate, for example, were to say, the sun will rise in the West before I sign that bill, then that's one statement.

00:32:01.080 If you cut it, so it's just, he's, him saying the sun will rise in the West, then he sounds nuts, right?

00:32:06.500 Uh, obviously that's a misleading presentation, even though it's also an accurate presentation.

00:32:10.520 So, the mere fact of a major political figure saying something makes it inherently newsworthy, and if you just honestly cover it, then there's no way to go wrong.

00:32:21.640 However, if you take someone's answer and you distort it, you make it confusing, you make it the opposite of what they said or totally different from what they said, then you are no longer actually engaged in reporting.

00:32:34.460 You're, uh, you're splicing things together to create an interview that never happened.

00:32:38.420 So, the FCC has a longstanding concept that the airwaves are a public trust.

00:32:42.580 They belong to the American people, and you have to use them if you have a broadcasting license in the public interest.

00:32:48.060 So, if a broadcaster participates in creating, um, a distorted record of a newsworthy event, then they could possibly be within, uh, FCC's concept of broadcast news distortion.

00:33:00.220 This was invented back, I think, in the 60s, when some broadcasters staged misleading automotive accidents using crash test dummies and such in order to make cars look more dangerous than they really were.

00:33:12.580 Obviously, the auto company sued, and that's where we get this doctrine from.

00:33:16.520 But we haven't had a case on this in about 30 years, because usually when people complain about it, they complain about the statements being made rather than the means of presentation by the broadcaster.

00:33:25.940 What I think is very interesting about this is that the complaint that we got on this topic highlighted that specific point, that it was the broadcaster's presentation of remarks that actually happened that was misleading.

00:33:39.000 And that's why there is, at least in potential, broadcaster liability here.

00:33:42.920 That's why there's a case.

00:33:43.780 And, you know, by the way, I want to give a shout out to, uh, the great Maze Moore, who put that all together, and I think just really created so much of a firestorm to be able to show point by point all of these changes and alterations that were made.

00:34:04.060 You had a piece up in the National Pulse, as well as co-authored with Gavin Wax, about one potential option that TV stations could use or potentially that the FCC could even use to fight back against this.

00:34:18.960 Yeah, Jack.

00:34:19.920 So the economics of how broadcasters, networks, cable channels, cable systems all work together are very obscure to the public, even to people who really follow media.

00:34:30.180 In fact, they're sometimes even obscure to the FCC because they're not necessarily reported to us.

00:34:35.460 And there might be even non-disclosure provisions so that the broadcasters, the ones that we regulate, can't tell us about them.

00:34:41.420 But what I've learned through looking around is that the amount of fees that some broadcasters have to pay up to the networks in order to remain affiliated with those networks and continue carrying their content has sharply, sharply increased the last few years.

00:34:56.080 Not all networks have adopted this practice, and not all networks have increased these affiliation fees by the same amount.

00:35:03.720 But in some cases, the affiliation fees have become so high that broadcasters are now facing horribly unpalatable choices.

00:35:11.560 Do they disaffiliate and simply cease to have a network affiliation?

00:35:14.900 In that case, the network may well stand up a rival station in their own town and beat them in their own market.

00:35:20.740 Or, on the other hand, do they choose to pay those fees and thus spend so much money on it that they lose the ability to provide meaningful journalism programming and even meteorology?

00:35:31.620 Increasingly, that's the impossible choice that some broadcasters are finding themselves in.

00:35:36.080 So I proposed that the FCC should step in and cap these reverse retrans or affiliation fees in order to ensure that the journalistic obligations that come with a broadcasting license are actually capable economically of being fulfilled.

00:35:53.640 It's not enough for us to require local coverage.

00:35:56.140 At a certain point, we're asking people to make bricks without straw, to make local coverage without the financial resources to do it.

00:36:01.840 And in my mind, if that is the last local journalistic institution left standing, then we have a particularly heightened interest.

00:36:09.280 The public interest becomes even more acute in making sure that those economics work for the broadcasters.

00:36:14.240 I think this is great.

00:36:15.900 I think this is exactly what you need.

00:36:17.580 It's economic pressure that needs to get put on them.

00:36:21.180 And the stations can do this.

00:36:22.660 It can all be enforced.

00:36:24.240 And again, it's to correct the behavior.

00:36:26.300 It's not to change anyone's opinion, anyone's ideas, but it is to correct the behavior.

00:36:32.900 Commissioner, thank you so much for joining us once again here on Human Events.

00:36:37.260 Jack, it's always a blast.

00:36:38.580 Great to see you.

00:36:40.400 God bless.

00:36:41.360 Jack Posobiec here.

00:36:42.740 This is Human Events Daily on the Salem Radio Network and Real America Voice.

00:36:48.020 We'll be right back after a quick break.

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00:36:59.100 He's written a fantastic book.

00:37:00.660 Everybody's talking about it.

00:37:01.920 Go get it.

00:37:03.000 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:37:07.000 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you.

00:37:10.240 Amen.

00:37:12.160 Cardinals in the Vatican City are sizing each other up ahead of the vote to pick the next pope.

00:37:17.260 And while there are no official candidates just yet, a few names are emerging as the top contender.

00:37:23.180 Fox News' Alex Hogan has more from London.

00:37:28.880 As cardinals continue the mourning process for Pope Francis, they're also planning for the conclave, where they'll choose his replacement.

00:37:36.360 And as the princes of the church get to know one another, a number of frontrunners are emerging.

00:37:41.180 The supporters of Francis and his reforms are said to be backing two candidates, Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, the head of the Italian bishops, who was chosen by the late pope as an ambassador of peace for Ukraine,

00:37:53.140 and Cardinal Luis Tagle of the Philippines, known as the Pope Francis of Asia.

00:37:58.700 Meanwhile, more conservatives appear to be coalescing around Cardinal Peter Erdo of Budapest.

00:38:11.180 When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.

00:38:23.140 All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice and the Salem Radio Network.

00:38:29.740 For you guys listening on Salem, though, that is not a blurry vision out of focus.

00:38:35.080 It's a little bit rainy, a little bit cloudy in Washington, D.C., so we've got our shot of the White House up.

00:38:39.700 But it's got some rain on it there.

00:38:42.360 So we'll be working on that very soon.

00:38:46.000 It very well may be, though, that there are some liberal tears that are affecting it because they see what a great job President Trump is doing in the White House,

00:38:56.180 and they just can't help themselves.

00:38:59.500 But, folks, we've been looking at—I just saw this clip of President Trump over the break, and he said it so quickly.

00:39:06.720 They came up and they said, oh, you know, what did you think of the—over the weekend, there was this ridiculous kind of fake controversy over President Trump posting an image—I thought it was hilarious—of himself as the pope.

00:39:20.540 So the conclave is going to be starting Wednesday in St. Peter's Basilica, the Sistine Chapel itself, which is being turned into a Faraday cage, and, of course, the selection of the next pope is imminent.

00:39:35.000 The cardinals have all arrived, 133 electors, and we know that many cardinals, of course, have begun the process of seeing who will vie for the candidate to be the next vicar of Christ, the bishop of Rome itself.

00:39:51.140 And so all eyes are on Rome.

00:39:52.760 So, sure, Trump posts this, you know, a meme of, of course, himself as pope, throwing himself in.

00:39:57.660 There were some questions about eligibility.

00:39:59.840 I'm going to say the question—however, however, it only states you just have to be baptized as pope to—or, excuse me, baptized as Catholic.

00:40:09.920 You do not have to actually be a priest, something not everyone knows.

00:40:13.440 So I've said, perhaps, Stephen K. Bannon, you know, why not, perhaps, but President Trump also pointing out, you know, all he would have to do is find a Catholic creeps to baptize him, and he would be good to go. 0.92

00:40:25.360 I believe there's an AI image now showing President Trump with a super soaker of holy water—I hadn't seen that before—to bless the crowds.

00:40:37.940 And then he was also—instead of the loaves and fishes, he was giving out the French fries and Big Macs.

00:40:44.940 So, look, you know, it's obviously a joke.

00:40:47.220 They ask him about—there's a reporter who asks him about it in the Oval Office while he's giving a press briefing earlier today.

00:40:54.520 And he said, he said, no, what's the matter?

00:40:56.440 You can't take a joke?

00:40:57.620 You can't take a joke? 0.87

00:40:59.080 I mean, it's ridiculous the things that people try to come up with. 0.65

00:41:02.780 By the way, and you want to talk about the anti-Catholic joke?

00:41:05.740 Well, that would be the former President of the United States, Joe Biden, being the, quote-unquote, first, you know, or second Catholic president,

00:41:14.920 and sitting there and then sending his FBI after the traditional Latin mass goers,

00:41:20.020 or going after people who were praying the rosary a little bit too hard, or going after people who were praying,

00:41:26.100 just praying outside of a pro-life—excuse me, praying in a pro-life manner outside of an abortion clinic,

00:41:33.620 these death carousels where they're killing babies every single day,

00:41:38.680 and you've got people praying out there, religious women, saying they wanted to stop,

00:41:42.860 and he had his FBI rounding them up with the DOJ and Merrick Garland.

00:41:46.520 But no, but Joe Biden's a good Catholic.

00:41:48.680 Remember, Joe Biden's a good Catholic.

00:41:50.220 Who cares about all those Catholics he rounded up? 1.00

00:41:52.000 Who cares about all those Catholics that he went after when he was infiltrating their masses, 0.99

00:41:55.960 when they were putting FBI agents undercover while they were checking to see who's praying the rosary a little bit too much?

00:42:01.780 Which beads are more worn out than others?

00:42:04.040 Yeah, keep an eye on that guy.

00:42:05.440 That's what we had going on under Joe Biden as our Catholic president.

00:42:11.140 No, that was the joke.

00:42:12.640 Okay, that was the joke.

00:42:14.420 That was offensive.

00:42:15.360 And Kamala Harris and so many others making horrific remarks about Catholics time and time again.

00:42:22.580 And so, you know, we bear no, no observances whatsoever to any of that.

00:42:30.400 And that's why they lost, by the way.

00:42:31.680 And it isn't just because of losing the Catholic vote, which they did in swing states like Pennsylvania,

00:42:37.380 where my brother and I were going up and down the highways and byways to every single Latin mass that we could find.

00:42:43.560 We even went to a Polish mass and many, many, of course, just the English masses, wherever we could find Catholics in Pennsylvania.

00:42:49.900 So many people did this in Michigan.

00:42:51.300 So many people did this in Wisconsin as well.

00:42:54.120 And it's really come out that this has been one of the major swings in the 2024 election.

00:43:00.860 So the choice of the next pope, it's going to be huge.

00:43:03.840 I'll put it this way.

00:43:05.140 The progressives, they have the largest block right now.

00:43:07.840 They were, it's kind of like the speaker election.

00:43:09.600 So the cardinals elect one of their own.

00:43:10.900 But they don't have enough votes on their own.

00:43:13.940 They need some conservatives.

00:43:15.440 So conservatives can block.

00:43:18.060 Looks like we could be seeing a compromise.

00:43:20.320 Deals are in the air.

00:43:21.920 Deals are being rejected.

00:43:23.300 Health rumors and all sorts of stuff are coming out.

00:43:25.860 We'll have more on that tomorrow because this is going to be hot.

00:43:29.820 And in fact, it's hot already.

00:43:31.920 One of the biggest stories in the world.

00:43:34.140 St. Peter's Basilica.

00:43:35.960 Control.

00:43:36.800 The fight for the control of the Vatican.

00:43:38.720 I'm Jack Posobiec.

00:43:40.580 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission.

00:43:43.340 Play short.

00:43:43.720 We'll see you next time.

00:44:01.540 We'll be right back.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 05, 2025

The Truth About Defunding Fake News and Woke Media w⧸ FCC Commissioner Simington

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