On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, former Vice President Joe Biden. He talks about his time in prison, why he decided to reopen Alcatraz, and why he thinks it's a good idea to reopen it.
00:04:39.940I want to just say that it's such an honor to be up here with my friends because this is a group of people that have done an amazing job and all we can do, Muriel and I, is give them the greatest sight there is, I think, that I've ever seen for something like this.
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00:07:11.980We are here on an incredible, auspicious occasion going into what's shaping up to be a fantastically huge week for world politics.
00:07:23.580President Trump just finishing up a press conference there, impromptu press conference, as he does in the Oval Office.
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00:07:50.800The email, of course, if you want to send your comments, questions, concerns, complaints, 1776 at humanevents.com, 1776 at humanevents.com.
00:08:33.840We are here on an incredible, auspicious occasion going into what's shaping up to be a fantastically huge week for world politics.
00:08:45.420President Trump just finishing up a press conference there, impromptu press conference as he does in the Oval Office.
00:08:52.340I want to welcome in all of our listeners on the Salem Radio Network in Hour 3 of Charlie Kirk, as well as everyone watching along on Real America's Voice.
00:09:01.620And by the way, huge shout out to the Rumble live chat as well as the Getter live chat.
00:09:07.460We don't always give you guys as much love, but it's always here right from the bottom of my heart.
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00:09:46.380And and it's a great week and it's shaping up to be an even bigger one.
00:09:50.680One of the things that I wanted to to have you on and we ended up having an impromptu discussion last week about tariffs and shit building and all sorts of things.
00:09:58.340But one of the big pieces last week that had still been on the chopping block and really gotten a lot of press were these questions regarding NPR and PBS.
00:10:08.520Now, I remember, I believe it was back in March where the hearings were held on the House side regarding this and these questions of bias,
00:10:16.040these questions of taking a political side, ideological editorial selection based on, you know, partisanship.
00:10:24.920And of course, questions about things like covid, the the BLM situation in in cities, which which I would consider.
00:10:33.980I think most people would consider riots were totally glossed over.
00:10:36.980And then meanwhile, things like Hunter Biden's laptop also in 2020 had actually NPR officials coming out and saying that this was not a real story.
00:10:45.160President Trump has called for the defunding of these operations.
00:10:49.860Where does all of this stand and what would the FCC's role in something like that be?
00:10:54.780Yeah, it's it's it's a question of the moment, isn't it?
00:10:59.040Because things have progressed since we since we last talked, you know, that NPR building that you were that you were showing there on the stream.
00:11:06.260That's just across the street from the FCC.
00:11:09.200So if you're visiting one, you know, then then you can drop by and visit the other sort of a funny coincidence how it works.
00:11:15.160So it's the distinction between a network and a broadcaster.
00:11:20.120That's, I think, really fundamental to how we understand the role of the First Amendment in all of this.
00:11:25.280The United States notably has never really had a state broadcaster the same as was the norm in most other countries.
00:11:32.480If you talk to people from from Canada or you talk to people from the UK, very culturally similar countries in some ways, they're still surprised when they drive across the United States and find small radio stations all over the place with independent programming.
00:11:46.500The model that we developed in the United States is very much based upon private broadcasting because it's based upon the idea of editorial independence.
00:11:54.900And so with with a broadcaster, their First Amendment protections are limited only by the exclusionary principle that when you broadcast, you're restricting other people from broadcasting on that frequency at that location.
00:12:07.380So we do have some very light regulations around speech that come around that, but it's not content based regulations.
00:12:13.480We don't come in and say what your editorial position has to be.
00:12:16.100That's very different from a state ministry of radio or a state broadcaster deciding what the party line is and then using the public's money to promote that perspective.
00:12:24.640Now, with NPR and CBS, we're dealing with a network question as much as a broadcaster question, because neither one of them is a station ownership group.
00:12:35.880Instead, the model is that you have community owned stations or nonprofit stations and content comes to them from one of these publicly funded networks.
00:12:44.560And so and in fact, you know, if you ever used to watch PBS, I'm I did growing up that although that was a cable channel, we do we actually still do PBS retro all the time in the house.
00:12:57.680I wasn't really big when I was a kid, but the man, I got to say those the Kratz brothers, Wild Kratz, Kratz Preachers and Zubumafu, those those guys.
00:13:08.420I mean, they just doing top notch work. And it's it's just not it's just not like the new stuff you see out there.
00:13:15.540That's absolutely true. And I mean, programs like Nova, I mean, that's I have a lot of fond memories of that kind of thing.
00:13:21.240When you watch that, you see very often that there's a production credit for a particular station that was the production partner.
00:13:27.160And in fact, what you'll what you'll see is that there was a particular station that would have hired someone like, for example, Mr. Rogers and made an agreement with him.
00:13:34.160And then they would have distributed it through the public broadcasting network to other member stations that would have picked up the programming.
00:13:42.140So so in that case, you've got the network, so to speak, acting as a coordinator, but it's the actual broadcasters that are FCC licensees.
00:13:50.500So there's this nexus is the is the local is the local originator of programming, assuming there is one.
00:13:56.640It might just be network source programming, but is the local originator of programming acting in the public interest?
00:14:02.100Are they acting consistent with their license terms?
00:14:04.440If it's if it's the network taking a party line and pushing that content out, then the question becomes a little different because the network isn't a regulated entity in the same way.
00:14:14.100That's why if you have a problem with it as a member of the public, your your recourse is really more to their funding source, which is what we're seeing here with the federal government's actions than it is to anyone's licenses.
00:14:25.760To put it bluntly, NPR and PBS don't have licenses.
00:14:28.820They're coordinating between groups of people who do.
00:14:31.900And that's, I think, part of the conceptual confusion that makes it so difficult for the public to to get comfortable with this idea that you can have this extremely party line,
00:14:42.360partisan and biased programming that nonetheless purports to be public programming.
00:14:46.800It really what that is, is a statement that this programming that I feel is partisan or that's, you know, that some member of the public feels is partisan or biased or distorted or incomplete is originating with a network that they are, in a sense, paying for or partially paying for.
00:15:01.620And I think, you know, that's, that's the point at which the public feels that they can say, well, this isn't the CBC, this isn't the BBC, I don't feel the need to contribute my tax dollars to an editorial organ that is going to denigrate me and that is going to present an incomplete version of the news.
00:15:16.680We're very far from the Kraft brothers or from Nova or from a station that's oriented towards a just the facts, ma'am approach to presenting the radio and, you know, I'm sorry, the meteorology information and current events.
00:15:30.460Once it becomes an editorial opinion, I think at that point, the public's entitled to say, well, who's in charge here and why are they getting my money?
00:15:40.040So, and this is just for my own notification, it's, it's, it's not necessarily that, you know, NPR or PBS are getting the money directly.
00:15:49.980You're saying it's, it's the network of distribution that potentially gets this taxpayer dollars and then their content is just shared through that network.
00:16:00.380So there are, there are different funding sources playing into all of these broadcasters, you know, as we've seen from Doge.
00:16:05.840Uh, sometimes there are, sometimes money goes through many hands before it winds up in, um, in the, in the control of some particular body that's going to spend it operationally.
00:16:15.760Um, of course with PBS, we all know that some of their funding also comes from viewers like you, as they like to say.
00:16:22.020And some stations really are, you know, primarily community funded enterprises and, um, that subscribe to the network because that's what the community wants.
00:16:30.820You know, I mean, it's freedom of speech like any other, if you want to, if you want to consume that kind of thing, um, that's your freedom too.
00:16:37.260But the real question is who's paying for it and why are we paying for it?
00:16:40.740And, you know, has it been captured by a relatively small and inbred clique of people who have a particular view about this intellectually inbred view of this and who, um, are using the, the, I guess the good name of the United States government to launder what is really just their private and perhaps not very widely shared opinions.
00:17:02.260So we're, we're coming up on a break right now.
00:17:04.020We're also, by the way, on, uh, the Salem radio network coast to coast.
00:17:07.980So, uh, uh, of course, appreciating the irony of here we are discussing this while on rival radio stations, but at the same time, it's very important.
00:17:15.680It's extremely important for people to understand where their taxpayer dollars are going and what their taxpayer dollars are supporting.
00:17:24.860And the fact that this has been left basically on autopilot for so many years is exactly the reason that President Trump, Elon Musk, and so many others were put into place so that whatever dollar, whatever, every single cent that is being spent by the U.S. government is being done.
00:17:44.400And so for the betterment of the quality of life of the American people, this is Jack Posobiec coming to you live here.
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00:19:30.920We're on with Commissioner Nate Symington of the FCC, and he's walking us through the complex ways in which PBS and NPR are actually funded.
00:19:43.060People think they get direct government funding.
00:19:46.620And so this is something where, and Commissioner, thank you again so much for your time and being on the show.
00:19:51.520And I'm sure you can imagine that pretty much everyone in conservative media has been blasted by NPR.
00:19:58.240This show host is definitely one of them.
00:20:03.460But, you know, we've got an email in here from Dan in Rochester, and I want to read it.
00:20:08.200He says, you know, I post, I love Commissioner Symington on the show, but I don't understand how woke programming sneaks into the news and sneaks onto my kids' TV.
00:20:19.040I know Trump wants this to end, but I'm worried they'll find a loophole, fight, fight, fight.
00:20:24.080So what would you say to Dan in Rochester?
00:20:28.400Well, first of all, is that Rochester, New York, Rochester, Minnesota?
00:20:31.680I ask because I got married in Rochester, New York.
00:20:33.860Got a lot of fond memories of that place.
00:20:46.000So as far as woke programming coming into kids' shows, just coming into the airwaves generally, you know, it's a tough situation because editorial independence in media is First Amendment protected.
00:21:05.500And while some of this is, you know, is very obnoxious, the flip side of it is that in the United States, there's always been independent conservative media that has a real chance to function.
00:21:15.860I mean, all the way back in the 60s when JFK was going after the independent conservative talk radio stations.
00:21:23.260In many ways, the idea of having forced media balance is something that we've experimented with and we've been burned by it.
00:21:33.120So under President Reagan, his FCC chair, Mark Fowler, managed to finally get rid of the so-called Fairness Doctrine in, I believe, 87.
00:21:41.340And that had been a thorn in the side of conservative media for a long time because the balance requirement that it contained tended to be used in a one-sided fashion.
00:21:53.520That is, it would be what we would consider a liberal point of view that was laundered as more of a neutral point of view.
00:22:02.760And then conservatives were forced to allow right of response, et cetera, from the liberal side, leading to overall an unbalanced media environment under the cover of a regulatory fairness requirement.
00:22:14.440So this is an uncomfortable situation for everyone.
00:22:17.360Obviously, the Fairness Doctrine is long dead.
00:22:19.660That's close to 40 years in the rearview mirror.
00:22:22.120And effects to revive it, tellingly, always come from the left or from the Democratic Party.
00:22:29.240And so, you know, that tells you what the legacy is and what it was like when we tried to mandate it.
00:22:33.700It's not conservative media that wants to have a balance requirement brought back.
00:22:37.960So where does that put a responsible father trying to deal with the question of woke content in children's media?
00:22:43.900I guess I would say that that is why it's important to turn, if that's your choice, to a conservative media ecosystem.
00:22:53.800Why is it that it's been so much easier to make a career in liberal media or in media containing a liberal point of view or liberal message?
00:23:05.480It's larger questions of cultural orientation, ultimately, that have left the liberal point of view as the default point of view that is editorial independence protected.
00:23:15.480So I guess my short answer is I think conservative media is in a healthier place than it's been before.
00:23:21.920But if you feel that the mainstream media is giving your children messages that are inappropriate, then it's very hard for the government to step in within the constraints of the Constitution, which we welcome.
00:23:32.760Speaking of constraints on radio and TV, we do have one of those coming up with another quick break.
00:23:41.440But that being said, for those those those stations with licenses, perhaps perhaps there are some some funding questions that can be done there, as President Trump is talking about.
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00:26:17.620So we're back on with FCC Commissioner Nate Simington.
00:26:20.520We're talking about these questions and, you know, really heady issues about public funding for broadcasting, but also the importance of the First Amendment.
00:26:28.860And, Commissioner, I guess the question that I would have to ask then that a lot of people are coming in with, there's always sort of this talk about, you know, there's this, I think, belief that the FCC can just pull licenses or we're pulling your license or pulling your license.
00:26:44.220And, you know, I'm sure there's a bit more of a process to it than that.
00:26:47.620But when President Trump is saying that he wants the funding to be cut off to these organizations, and I get that it's indirect funding, what tools are in the toolbox to get to the point where I think where President Trump wants the American taxpayer dollars not going to these left-wing causes?
00:27:06.800Yeah, well, there are definitely sources of direct funding that you can directly reach.
00:27:12.820And that's obviously within the discretion of the executive branch unless Congress has specifically told the president that he can.
00:27:22.600So, as far as direct funding, that's relatively easy to touch.
00:27:27.760As far as indirect funding, that's, again, that's a really interesting question because, as we are seeing, there are huge networks of indirect funding that pour from one place to another place.
00:27:37.520And, you know, we've, the news says, I haven't looked into it myself, but the news was saying that there was a colossal slush fund discovered by Doge recently that had been spent on wildly discretionary things, just on parties, you know?
00:27:51.840Now, until you understand the source of funding for these organizations and have traced it all the way up the chain, you don't really know what the tax contribution is.
00:28:02.520On the other hand, I want to put some cold water on it just to the extent that if people are supporting a community-supported TV station and that is paying up to a network and the network programming is what those people want to get, then that is First Amendment protected too.
00:28:17.600And that means, as much as anything, that we have to build up alternative media voluntarily, much as you're doing right at this moment, right?
00:28:27.340And this is, I think, part of why this White House has been so open to alternative media, to influencers, to podcasters, and to other people who are outside the mainstream structures that have grown up over this time.
00:28:39.160Those mainstream structures are encrusted partly culturally and partly financially with legacy sources of left-wing points of view that are probably pretty far to the left of the American public.
00:28:52.780The solution, as they say, the solution to bad speech is more speech.
00:28:56.880And the other side of it is that there's nothing that goes away so fast as a marginalized news organization.
00:29:03.320It doesn't have to be political marginalization.
00:29:05.480A lot of local newspapers just died for lack of interest.
00:29:07.640They were sort of killed off by Craigslist because they were being kept afloat by the classifieds.
00:29:12.880And then when someone provided classifieds on a cheaper basis that was online, that was the end of it.
00:29:17.880And if it can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.
00:29:22.360It just took a single strike in the 60s to kill the International Herald Tribune.
00:29:28.480Sometimes it's just a matter of people walking away and saying,
00:29:31.880No, having worked in, you know, having worked in, in, I actually, you know, got started in, in radio in Philadelphia as a, just at the intern level and then, you know, doing sales and stuff.
00:29:43.000And, you know, you, when you see the, the margins and the budgets at some of this, it is, it is very tight.
00:29:49.100And so, you know, you pull some, some source of funding and it, and it immediately pops off.
00:29:55.440So, and we've got to get into it because I saw that you had written on this and 60 Minutes had the former vice president on recently with a clip talking about it.
00:30:06.760And so we're going to get into the, I want to shift gears a little bit from PBS to CBS.
00:30:11.720Guys, let's play that clip of Kamala Harris on CBS 60 Minutes.
00:30:17.260But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
00:30:21.400Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
00:30:43.500But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
00:30:47.400We are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
00:30:57.280So, Commissioner, obviously this has gone 10 times viral on online.
00:31:05.420It's the, it's the content of a lawsuit.
00:31:08.080What is, what is the, what are the issues here from your perspective and the, the, the issues going forward for really just our, our country from the president's perspective?
00:31:18.960So, you know how I was talking about the importance of editorial independence and in a broadcast production context, obviously you're going to leave something on the cutting room floor.
00:31:29.100No one airs all the footage that they shoot unless it's a live show.
00:31:33.640So, um, that said, there, there's a longstanding FCC practice that while we don't scrutinize the truth of what's said on TV, um, we do scrutinize the honesty of the presentation of facts on TV.
00:31:50.620Um, here's, here's how I'd like to frame it.
00:31:52.800If someone, if a presidential candidate, for example, were to say, the sun will rise in the West before I sign that bill, then that's one statement.
00:32:01.080If you cut it, so it's just, he's, him saying the sun will rise in the West, then he sounds nuts, right?
00:32:06.500Uh, obviously that's a misleading presentation, even though it's also an accurate presentation.
00:32:10.520So, the mere fact of a major political figure saying something makes it inherently newsworthy, and if you just honestly cover it, then there's no way to go wrong.
00:32:21.640However, if you take someone's answer and you distort it, you make it confusing, you make it the opposite of what they said or totally different from what they said, then you are no longer actually engaged in reporting.
00:32:34.460You're, uh, you're splicing things together to create an interview that never happened.
00:32:38.420So, the FCC has a longstanding concept that the airwaves are a public trust.
00:32:42.580They belong to the American people, and you have to use them if you have a broadcasting license in the public interest.
00:32:48.060So, if a broadcaster participates in creating, um, a distorted record of a newsworthy event, then they could possibly be within, uh, FCC's concept of broadcast news distortion.
00:33:00.220This was invented back, I think, in the 60s, when some broadcasters staged misleading automotive accidents using crash test dummies and such in order to make cars look more dangerous than they really were.
00:33:12.580Obviously, the auto company sued, and that's where we get this doctrine from.
00:33:16.520But we haven't had a case on this in about 30 years, because usually when people complain about it, they complain about the statements being made rather than the means of presentation by the broadcaster.
00:33:25.940What I think is very interesting about this is that the complaint that we got on this topic highlighted that specific point, that it was the broadcaster's presentation of remarks that actually happened that was misleading.
00:33:39.000And that's why there is, at least in potential, broadcaster liability here.
00:33:43.780And, you know, by the way, I want to give a shout out to, uh, the great Maze Moore, who put that all together, and I think just really created so much of a firestorm to be able to show point by point all of these changes and alterations that were made.
00:34:04.060You had a piece up in the National Pulse, as well as co-authored with Gavin Wax, about one potential option that TV stations could use or potentially that the FCC could even use to fight back against this.
00:34:19.920So the economics of how broadcasters, networks, cable channels, cable systems all work together are very obscure to the public, even to people who really follow media.
00:34:30.180In fact, they're sometimes even obscure to the FCC because they're not necessarily reported to us.
00:34:35.460And there might be even non-disclosure provisions so that the broadcasters, the ones that we regulate, can't tell us about them.
00:34:41.420But what I've learned through looking around is that the amount of fees that some broadcasters have to pay up to the networks in order to remain affiliated with those networks and continue carrying their content has sharply, sharply increased the last few years.
00:34:56.080Not all networks have adopted this practice, and not all networks have increased these affiliation fees by the same amount.
00:35:03.720But in some cases, the affiliation fees have become so high that broadcasters are now facing horribly unpalatable choices.
00:35:11.560Do they disaffiliate and simply cease to have a network affiliation?
00:35:14.900In that case, the network may well stand up a rival station in their own town and beat them in their own market.
00:35:20.740Or, on the other hand, do they choose to pay those fees and thus spend so much money on it that they lose the ability to provide meaningful journalism programming and even meteorology?
00:35:31.620Increasingly, that's the impossible choice that some broadcasters are finding themselves in.
00:35:36.080So I proposed that the FCC should step in and cap these reverse retrans or affiliation fees in order to ensure that the journalistic obligations that come with a broadcasting license are actually capable economically of being fulfilled.
00:35:53.640It's not enough for us to require local coverage.
00:35:56.140At a certain point, we're asking people to make bricks without straw, to make local coverage without the financial resources to do it.
00:36:01.840And in my mind, if that is the last local journalistic institution left standing, then we have a particularly heightened interest.
00:36:09.280The public interest becomes even more acute in making sure that those economics work for the broadcasters.
00:37:12.160Cardinals in the Vatican City are sizing each other up ahead of the vote to pick the next pope.
00:37:17.260And while there are no official candidates just yet, a few names are emerging as the top contender.
00:37:23.180Fox News' Alex Hogan has more from London.
00:37:28.880As cardinals continue the mourning process for Pope Francis, they're also planning for the conclave, where they'll choose his replacement.
00:37:36.360And as the princes of the church get to know one another, a number of frontrunners are emerging.
00:37:41.180The supporters of Francis and his reforms are said to be backing two candidates, Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, the head of the Italian bishops, who was chosen by the late pope as an ambassador of peace for Ukraine,
00:37:53.140and Cardinal Luis Tagle of the Philippines, known as the Pope Francis of Asia.
00:37:58.700Meanwhile, more conservatives appear to be coalescing around Cardinal Peter Erdo of Budapest.
00:38:11.180When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
00:38:23.140All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice and the Salem Radio Network.
00:38:29.740For you guys listening on Salem, though, that is not a blurry vision out of focus.
00:38:35.080It's a little bit rainy, a little bit cloudy in Washington, D.C., so we've got our shot of the White House up.
00:38:42.360So we'll be working on that very soon.
00:38:46.000It very well may be, though, that there are some liberal tears that are affecting it because they see what a great job President Trump is doing in the White House,
00:38:59.500But, folks, we've been looking at—I just saw this clip of President Trump over the break, and he said it so quickly.
00:39:06.720They came up and they said, oh, you know, what did you think of the—over the weekend, there was this ridiculous kind of fake controversy over President Trump posting an image—I thought it was hilarious—of himself as the pope.
00:39:20.540So the conclave is going to be starting Wednesday in St. Peter's Basilica, the Sistine Chapel itself, which is being turned into a Faraday cage, and, of course, the selection of the next pope is imminent.
00:39:35.000The cardinals have all arrived, 133 electors, and we know that many cardinals, of course, have begun the process of seeing who will vie for the candidate to be the next vicar of Christ, the bishop of Rome itself.
00:39:52.760So, sure, Trump posts this, you know, a meme of, of course, himself as pope, throwing himself in.
00:39:57.660There were some questions about eligibility.
00:39:59.840I'm going to say the question—however, however, it only states you just have to be baptized as pope to—or, excuse me, baptized as Catholic.
00:40:09.920You do not have to actually be a priest, something not everyone knows.
00:40:13.440So I've said, perhaps, Stephen K. Bannon, you know, why not, perhaps, but President Trump also pointing out, you know, all he would have to do is find a Catholic creeps to baptize him, and he would be good to go.
00:40:25.360I believe there's an AI image now showing President Trump with a super soaker of holy water—I hadn't seen that before—to bless the crowds.
00:40:37.940And then he was also—instead of the loaves and fishes, he was giving out the French fries and Big Macs.
00:40:44.940So, look, you know, it's obviously a joke.
00:40:47.220They ask him about—there's a reporter who asks him about it in the Oval Office while he's giving a press briefing earlier today.
00:40:54.520And he said, he said, no, what's the matter?
00:40:59.080I mean, it's ridiculous the things that people try to come up with.
00:41:02.780By the way, and you want to talk about the anti-Catholic joke?
00:41:05.740Well, that would be the former President of the United States, Joe Biden, being the, quote-unquote, first, you know, or second Catholic president,
00:41:14.920and sitting there and then sending his FBI after the traditional Latin mass goers,
00:41:20.020or going after people who were praying the rosary a little bit too hard, or going after people who were praying,
00:41:26.100just praying outside of a pro-life—excuse me, praying in a pro-life manner outside of an abortion clinic,
00:41:33.620these death carousels where they're killing babies every single day,
00:41:38.680and you've got people praying out there, religious women, saying they wanted to stop,
00:41:42.860and he had his FBI rounding them up with the DOJ and Merrick Garland.
00:41:46.520But no, but Joe Biden's a good Catholic.
00:41:48.680Remember, Joe Biden's a good Catholic.
00:41:50.220Who cares about all those Catholics he rounded up?
00:41:52.000Who cares about all those Catholics that he went after when he was infiltrating their masses,
00:41:55.960when they were putting FBI agents undercover while they were checking to see who's praying the rosary a little bit too much?
00:42:01.780Which beads are more worn out than others?