Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Truth About New Media at the PLC w⧸ Jack Posobiec, Cliff Maloney and Dr. Steve Turley

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00:00:26.660 I'm going to bring up our panelists who you are definitely here to see, not me.

00:00:32.300 But I want to talk about new media because what I found was that when we were able to

00:00:36.520 go out there and really have a pulse with some of the new media and the personalities I'm

00:00:40.040 going to introduce you to, it was such a great way to connect with the grassroots.

00:00:44.000 It was such a great way to engage new voters and understand what are the topics that they

00:00:48.700 care about.

00:00:49.620 So please help me in welcoming Dr. Steve Turley and Jack Posobiec.

00:00:56.660 All right, so we're going to dive right in here.

00:01:07.760 I want to give each of these gentlemen three minutes to just open, tell a little about

00:01:11.840 their story.

00:01:12.680 And we're going to start with Jack, Mr. P.A., by the way, from Norristown, P.A.

00:01:16.360 All right.

00:01:16.940 He's got some street cred.

00:01:17.800 Welcome home.

00:01:18.660 It's always good to be back.

00:01:19.780 Hello, Pennsylvania.

00:01:21.520 Hello, Harrisburg.

00:01:23.140 And hello to if there's any members of the War Room Posse who happen to be around.

00:01:28.180 I think there's a couple of Posse members here.

00:01:31.060 We're going to work on getting, we'll get 100% of you in the Posse by hopefully by, if

00:01:37.080 not the end of the speech, then certainly by the end of the night.

00:01:39.680 You know, it's been an amazing ride.

00:01:42.600 You know, I was, yeah, born and raised in Norristown, Pennsylvania, like Cliff said.

00:01:46.500 I was the Temple University in Philadelphia College Republican chairman.

00:01:50.440 And I believe that the current Temple University College Republican president, he was here earlier.

00:01:55.940 Are you here right now?

00:01:57.020 Is he here?

00:01:58.760 He's around.

00:01:59.520 He's working the tables.

00:02:00.720 So it's amazing to see, yes, believe it or not, there are actually College Republicans

00:02:04.740 at Temple University.

00:02:06.220 And believe it or not, though, because I just got done an event up in Penn State with Charlie

00:02:11.060 Kirk during the election, we had 3,000 students come out.

00:02:17.080 There is something happening on campus, and it's incredible.

00:02:20.740 Seriously, yeah, give it up.

00:02:22.760 The kids are all right.

00:02:24.260 The kids are all right.

00:02:25.320 The kids are shifting in our direction.

00:02:27.160 We saw that in the election.

00:02:28.140 We saw that nationwide as well.

00:02:30.040 But that's how I got my start at Temple College Republicans.

00:02:32.540 I was then the Pennsylvania executive director of the College Republicans.

00:02:35.920 This was 2006.

00:02:37.960 I went on.

00:02:39.260 Then I kind of got out of it for a while, joined the military, joined the United States

00:02:43.000 Navy, and then somehow got into conservative politics when President Trump started running.

00:02:47.960 But all I got to say, I've always said this, Pennsylvania is the play.

00:02:52.380 The Keystone State is the key to winning the country.

00:02:56.320 And for years, I would try to explain this to the leaders of the Republican Party, and nobody

00:03:00.760 wanted to listen.

00:03:01.720 Nobody wanted to listen.

00:03:02.920 Nobody said, it's out of reach.

00:03:04.280 It's out of reach.

00:03:04.840 It's out of reach because they didn't understand Pennsylvania.

00:03:08.260 They didn't understand our voters.

00:03:09.760 They didn't understand particularly the Western part of the state, the working class voters

00:03:13.460 who may be registered as Democrats, who may, by and large, are registered as Democrats,

00:03:19.520 or nowadays are registered as independents.

00:03:22.180 Of course, as we know, in 2024, we've been turning them all Republican because it was through

00:03:26.920 Donald Trump and through the shift of making our party into this non-establishment, breaking

00:03:34.800 through the mold of sort of the old way of things and turning it into that workers, populist,

00:03:41.480 populist, nationalist kind of government and kind of party that we're fighting for.

00:03:45.840 That's what got people on board.

00:03:47.520 So no wonder, you know, like a Mitt Romney wasn't going to win here, or a John Kasich wasn't going

00:03:51.940 to win here.

00:03:52.640 This is a new kind of party.

00:03:54.780 And if we continue to embrace that and continue to go forward, I'm here to tell you right now,

00:04:00.120 and I'm here to tell Josh Shapiro, a little 5'3 Josh Shapiro, that Pennsylvania is going

00:04:05.400 to be a red state.

00:04:14.320 Well, first of all, I think 5'3 is very tall.

00:04:17.700 I don't know what he's talking about.

00:04:19.180 I don't know where he's coming from.

00:04:20.860 I used to think Josh Shapiro was short.

00:04:22.840 I used to think he was short until I met President Zelensky a couple weeks ago.

00:04:27.140 Oh, you're putting me in bad company here.

00:04:29.600 All right.

00:04:31.720 This is, yeah, this is an honor.

00:04:33.400 I am in the greater Philly area.

00:04:35.620 That's whenever I'm traveling abroad.

00:04:37.480 That's what I always say, because they don't know that when I say I'm from Delaware, they

00:04:41.420 have no idea where that is.

00:04:42.800 I just tell them it's 20 minutes from Biden's basement, and then they get an idea, and you

00:04:47.500 know, you go out on the porch, and if it's quiet enough, you can actually hear him snoring.

00:04:51.080 It's really cute.

00:04:53.360 But I got into the new media very much like right around the time Jack did.

00:04:59.360 I was in academia for 20 years, and I remember when I was getting my Ph.D., it was during

00:05:06.640 the Obama years.

00:05:07.980 I had studied a lot of national populism and nationalist populist movements around the

00:05:13.140 world.

00:05:14.160 But they were primarily European.

00:05:15.540 Indian, India, the BJP party with Modi, as many people interpret Putin that way.

00:05:23.580 And it was the Obama years, so I thought, well, these movements are never going to come here.

00:05:28.900 And I can still remember to this day listening to the, or reading about the three themes that

00:05:33.880 every populist movement hit, border security, economic security, and cultural security.

00:05:39.400 And I said, oh, wouldn't that be awesome?

00:05:41.120 And a few years later go by, and this brash billionaire comes down that escalator and gets

00:05:50.020 in front of the world and gives a 50-minute speech.

00:05:54.180 Guess, if you analyze it, guess what the three themes were?

00:05:58.700 Border security, economic security, and cultural security.

00:06:02.620 And I remember, so this is a summer of 2015 that I asked my colleague at the school that

00:06:08.020 I was teaching at, who's in charge of marketing, I said, you know, I'm listening to a lot of

00:06:14.200 conservative talk radio guys who didn't quite know how to make sense of Trump.

00:06:19.940 They were still very, you know, pro-Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, what have you.

00:06:24.220 They were very ideologically conservative.

00:06:27.640 I guess, you know, I think Marco Rubio was really popular back then.

00:06:31.780 And they saw it.

00:06:32.740 They didn't know what sense to make of Trump.

00:06:34.740 So it drove me crazy.

00:06:36.740 And so I asked my colleague, you know, I just feel like the only way I can make the voices

00:06:43.180 stop in my head is if I could somehow get out there and get these three themes out and

00:06:50.200 say, this is what Trump is.

00:06:51.320 He's a nationalist, populist, traditionalist.

00:06:54.220 And he said, well, why don't you start a YouTube channel?

00:06:57.220 And I was more or less like, what's that?

00:06:59.240 You know, and he showed me how to do it.

00:07:02.800 He showed me how to load up my first video.

00:07:05.420 And so that's what I did.

00:07:06.340 I started making videos just trying to explain Trump in a way that I thought was missing in

00:07:12.140 a lot of what passed as conservative radio.

00:07:14.840 I mean, if you remember at the time, I mean, Glenn Beck hated him.

00:07:17.500 Glenn Beck was viscerally opposed to him.

00:07:20.660 So I did that.

00:07:22.500 And then I said, you know what?

00:07:24.340 I got bold.

00:07:25.020 I said, I think he's going to win.

00:07:27.340 And I said, I think this is after June 23rd of that year, 2016.

00:07:31.760 It's after Brexit.

00:07:33.440 And Trump even said, call me Mr. Brexit.

00:07:36.680 And Boris Johnson at the time said, Brexit will make Britain great again.

00:07:41.260 I mean, so I said, look, these are all the themes that's going on here.

00:07:44.720 There is a worldwide revolt against liberal globalism.

00:07:49.120 Liberalism and liberal globalism hits us at security points that we were guaranteed as

00:07:55.600 a nation state, solid, secure borders, a thriving economy that helps the middle class and celebrating

00:08:03.200 our traditions, not denigrating them as racist and bigot and so on.

00:08:07.860 So I got bold.

00:08:09.060 I talked about that.

00:08:10.060 He won.

00:08:10.900 I got to gloat.

00:08:12.460 And then I asked my 40 followers, do you want me to keep going?

00:08:15.800 And they said, yeah, keep going.

00:08:18.360 This is great.

00:08:19.000 Because there were elections later on in Moldova and Bulgaria.

00:08:23.880 There was another one in the Netherlands with Geert Wilders, who eventually won.

00:08:28.160 And so I kept going.

00:08:30.340 And here we are, 1.2 million subscribers on YouTube.

00:08:33.920 So it was a miracle.

00:08:35.260 I got to even quit my job.

00:08:37.180 I'm not an academic anymore, which I do not miss at all.

00:08:40.300 I've got to say.

00:08:40.880 Well, let me make.

00:08:42.760 Who's happier about that?

00:08:44.120 You or that?

00:08:45.160 It's mutual.

00:08:46.400 It's mutual.

00:08:47.060 So two comments.

00:08:49.180 You know, when we launched our program here in PA, I was going out doing media.

00:08:54.860 And I asked both of them to come today because there was something very different about their

00:09:00.640 audiences.

00:09:01.360 You know, if I did different shows, and this is not a shot at anybody, but, you know, you

00:09:06.420 might get a couple people that reach out.

00:09:08.320 They want to knock doors.

00:09:09.580 They want to donate.

00:09:10.400 They want to get involved.

00:09:12.020 There was something different about what both of you have built.

00:09:15.020 When I would go on and you guys would analyze what we were doing with the PHAs, and you would

00:09:20.220 turn to your audience and say, you know, this is the most important thing we can be doing.

00:09:24.900 Get involved.

00:09:25.580 I want you guys to talk a little bit about, like, how do you build that audience of people

00:09:30.580 who are not just watching because it's red meat?

00:09:33.940 They're watching because they're learning, and they trust what you're telling them.

00:09:37.860 Talk to me about building that audience, and why is that so different from typical, you

00:09:43.520 know, cable and the legacy media?

00:09:45.960 So, you know, I'm sort of a, you know, a creature of social media, and certainly how

00:09:51.420 the media describes me.

00:09:52.340 That would be nicer than what most of the media describes me as.

00:09:55.580 But it's that idea with social media, and that's really where I built my foundation,

00:10:01.540 built my house, was on Twitter, now X, and I've been on there for, believe it or not,

00:10:05.860 13 years now at this point.

00:10:08.740 And through social media, what you can do differently than any other form of media is that you can

00:10:14.320 build that direct connection with the audience.

00:10:17.420 So you can directly respond to comments.

00:10:20.360 It's interactive.

00:10:21.040 You can actually sort of meet people in a sense.

00:10:24.200 You can have that immediate gratification for a listener or for a, you know, an interactive

00:10:30.880 participant, a follower, a subscriber, whichever, you know, your picture poison of social media

00:10:35.160 you're using.

00:10:36.200 And that's something you don't get on television.

00:10:37.980 That's something you don't get on radio.

00:10:39.880 It's something you just don't get really anywhere else.

00:10:43.100 And in fact, there's entire great live streamers on various different platforms, and everyone

00:10:47.640 does it now, where all they do is respond to comments.

00:10:51.080 They don't even have like a show that they're doing.

00:10:53.600 And I think it's wonderful.

00:10:54.400 I think it's incredible because it's connecting people in a way that's direct, it's immediate,

00:10:59.900 and it's giving that authenticity that you're not getting, because that's what people want.

00:11:03.420 People were so sick of the polished corporate legacy media and were sick of the lies.

00:11:09.840 And believe me, I grew up reading the Philadelphia Inquirer, so I know a little bit about media

00:11:14.980 lying, okay?

00:11:16.620 You know, I think the prerequisite to work at the Inquirer is, the Filthy Inquirer, is

00:11:22.260 that you don't tell the truth.

00:11:24.060 And so it's with that authenticity on social media that, you know, and now I've grown to

00:11:29.640 over 3 million followers just on X, and, you know, I've picked up on Real America's

00:11:35.880 voice streaming, and actually, you know, and God bless them, but I'm now also carried nationwide

00:11:40.840 on the Salem Radio Network.

00:11:42.780 And so it's just, it's been an incredible ride, incredible to see, but it's the only

00:11:48.560 thing that I guess I could say is it's that authenticity that's the key.

00:11:51.760 It's the authenticity.

00:11:53.300 Steve?

00:11:54.300 That's, I, kudos to that.

00:11:57.620 Scholars call it parasocial relationships.

00:12:00.380 That's the technical term there.

00:12:02.180 Wait, don't tell them that.

00:12:03.060 And really what it is, and I think we all felt it with Rush, if you remember, I mean,

00:12:09.560 there was a sense you just felt Rush was your friend when you would listen to him.

00:12:13.360 And I think he really, he was a guy ahead of his time in that sense.

00:12:17.100 And it was never polished.

00:12:18.600 It was just literally like a two-man studio.

00:12:21.240 And he talked to you like he understood you.

00:12:25.160 And then there, so there was a sense, this parasocial is, well, they're not my friend that

00:12:29.780 I hang out with, but they're not these superstar, polished celebrities and so forth.

00:12:35.100 They're kind of, they're in between.

00:12:36.780 So I bet I'd speak for Jack.

00:12:39.280 When we meet our audience and our fans, it feels like I've known you for a long time.

00:12:45.460 I mean, it's just, there's just a connection there.

00:12:48.960 And you're right.

00:12:49.980 They don't want these polished productions.

00:12:52.360 They basically see us, I think in many ways, as like a Skype, a Skype call coming in, but

00:12:57.880 it's only kind of one way, or they get to comment and all that kind of stuff.

00:13:01.860 So I do, I think what we're tapping into is a whole different form of relationship.

00:13:08.500 And what we're finding is the left can't really do it.

00:13:12.620 I think it's largely because the left is so elite.

00:13:15.320 It's so aristocracy oriented, whereas the populist movement is of the people.

00:13:22.100 We're all on the same side.

00:13:23.840 I mean, you know, you've got Elon and Trump.

00:13:27.200 One time they made, you might've thought they'd be at opposite sides.

00:13:30.180 As a matter of fact, at one time they were, but that's only if you're looking at it horizontally,

00:13:34.920 left versus right.

00:13:35.800 But if you're looking at vertically, people versus permanent political class, right?

00:13:41.800 Ordinary Americans versus oligarchs, as it were.

00:13:44.260 All of a sudden, a lot of people would not have been on the same side are.

00:13:48.720 And so I think that's what makes our movement so amazing, is that it brings people from all

00:13:52.660 different walks of life.

00:13:54.220 We're all united in a love of faith, family, and freedom.

00:13:57.500 You know, one thing that was fascinating to me during the cycle was I think this was the

00:14:01.220 first presidential election where it wasn't just based on people getting their media,

00:14:08.560 you know, from the same three networks, right?

00:14:10.880 The message from the same three networks.

00:14:12.540 And I mean, even Trump, uh, Baron Trump, uh, was the one that got him to do, you know,

00:14:17.820 some of the podcasts, right?

00:14:19.000 And I think, I think I realized that when my dad was sending me, uh, Instagram reels of

00:14:26.260 Harris, I mean, just, or some, I mean, we've all seen these, right?

00:14:29.920 Just not being able to put a sentence together.

00:14:31.880 And I'm thinking to myself, man, this might be a bigger moment because everybody is, you're

00:14:37.400 just, you're taking in information.

00:14:38.920 I'm not talking about the people in this room, right?

00:14:40.600 We're all tuned in the politics, but when normal people are getting information from

00:14:46.180 this decentralized type of communities or different shows, I just think it had a, you

00:14:53.160 know, I think it helps, you know, the working class.

00:14:55.020 It helps the blue collar that are usually just fed, you know, spoon fed one message. 0.87

00:14:59.780 What do you guys think is the future?

00:15:02.020 Like, how does this progress in terms of legacy media, you know, having its final breath?

00:15:07.980 Um, is it on this trajectory?

00:15:10.480 Is it going to be a slow kind of failing?

00:15:13.360 Do a couple of the networks stay alive?

00:15:15.940 What does that look like?

00:15:16.860 Does AI play into any of that?

00:15:18.720 Like, give me kind of your thoughts on, on prediction.

00:15:21.040 So, you know, I think we're going to see the trend of decentralization continue.

00:15:26.260 I mean, think about it, right?

00:15:27.680 It's, it's the television model is going the way of the dinosaur, the, the only being on

00:15:33.500 there and, and think of it, right?

00:15:34.640 Part of the issue with that was because there was such a high cost to be on television, to

00:15:38.580 be able to be a broadcaster, to actually be able to put that all together.

00:15:42.060 That doesn't exist with social media.

00:15:43.760 I can, I can pop up on Twitter and all I need is a, is an internet connection.

00:15:47.420 And then I go up and people ask me all the time, they say, do you use special

00:15:50.500 apps and third party stuff?

00:15:52.560 Or what do you do?

00:15:53.460 I said, no, it's literally just me going on my phone, on my account, typing out a tweet

00:15:57.120 and that's it.

00:15:57.840 That's all that I do.

00:15:59.440 And, and, you know, they, the issue though, I guess I would say going forward is because

00:16:07.160 there are so many different things that are out there.

00:16:10.180 What it's created is a loss of shared self and a loss of shared new traditions.

00:16:16.660 And so you may, your people have, you have people that are totally split into different

00:16:20.800 bubbles and different camps.

00:16:22.460 And it's almost like pick your own adventure for which type of news you want to follow.

00:16:27.340 And then the only question of course, is which one becomes more, which one comports more

00:16:32.700 with reality.

00:16:33.420 And so people realized television wasn't comporting with reality.

00:16:37.620 Print media was not comporting with reality.

00:16:39.520 And I've seen some of them try to fix this.

00:16:42.140 They can't.

00:16:42.680 They just, they constitutionally are not able to do it because they're never going

00:16:46.820 to be able to beat a guy who can go up on Twitter and get a video of, you know, Hillary

00:16:51.960 Clinton falling out at the 9-11 rally or the 9-11 Memorial.

00:16:55.840 And they have to chuck her in the side of a van, like a piece of beef. 1.00

00:16:59.580 And it's no, but think about it.

00:17:01.220 Think about it.

00:17:01.840 It's as, think about it though, that video, that video, it is, I know.

00:17:07.000 But that video, right?

00:17:08.720 What's so seminal about that video is this was the 9-11 Memorial.

00:17:14.180 Yeah.

00:17:14.420 Okay.

00:17:15.680 9-11, 2016.

00:17:17.320 All of the mainstream media was there.

00:17:19.080 All the cameras were there.

00:17:20.360 All the print reporters there.

00:17:21.680 All the journalists was there.

00:17:22.580 Who got that video?

00:17:24.660 Zdenik Garza.

00:17:25.580 Zdenik Garza, a firefighter who was on his day off from Jersey City that had come over

00:17:32.140 and happened to view all this, films it on his phone, and he posts it to Twitter.

00:17:37.360 Yeah.

00:17:37.960 And he changed history.

00:17:39.420 Yeah.

00:17:40.140 They're never going to be able to compete with that.

00:17:41.980 Number one, because what he did is cheaper and far more effective.

00:17:46.060 And number two, because they would never show it.

00:17:49.780 Yeah.

00:17:50.880 Wow.

00:17:51.620 Steve, your predictions.

00:17:53.020 Yeah.

00:17:53.320 Yeah.

00:17:53.480 We ain't seen nothing yet, I think, in many ways.

00:17:57.000 I mean, we're in the midst of what scholars call a third industrial revolution, and the

00:18:01.760 media is caught in the doom loop of an ending age of a second industrial revolution.

00:18:07.440 So, you know, your first industrial, you know, we're going to 18th century.

00:18:10.980 That's the textiles getting mechanized and so forth, mass produced.

00:18:15.260 And then the second industrial revolution is when you scale that mass production to literally

00:18:19.520 every industry, right?

00:18:20.560 Ford and the assembly lines.

00:18:21.960 And the third industrial revolution is a digital revolution.

00:18:26.640 It's the revolution of cyberspace.

00:18:29.440 And what's so fascinating with that one is it's not limited by time and space now.

00:18:35.440 And there's no gatekeepers in this world either.

00:18:38.580 I like to use the example.

00:18:41.000 When I was in, Jack and I were talking earlier about being in Baltimore, I was, I went to

00:18:46.700 school in Baltimore.

00:18:47.420 I used to work at the George Peabody Library.

00:18:49.400 Has anyone ever seen the George Peabody Library?

00:18:51.680 I've seen the George Peabody Library.

00:18:52.480 It's one of the most beautiful buildings.

00:18:54.680 If you can survive Baltimore, I would absolutely recommend going to see George Peabody.

00:19:00.280 Try to go early.

00:19:01.100 Go really early.

00:19:02.240 Bring a bulletproof van.

00:19:03.660 You know, go to a My Patriot Supply.

00:19:06.700 From a good person.

00:19:08.520 No, no.

00:19:09.000 Turley.

00:19:09.340 Turley.

00:19:09.560 Ah!

00:19:09.760 And so, if you go there, you're going to be blown away because you walk in and it's

00:19:17.340 just, it is, they call it the Cathedral of Books.

00:19:20.100 And it's so beautiful.

00:19:21.400 I mean, it entails 300,000 books and they go up these stacks up into the sky.

00:19:28.800 It's very heavenly.

00:19:29.700 It's very spiritual.

00:19:30.820 But besides the beauty of it, back in the day, in that late 19th century when it was

00:19:34.860 built, it was necessary utility.

00:19:37.660 If I wanted to access 300,000 books, I had to go to George Peabody Library, right?

00:19:44.140 How many digital books can I access with this?

00:19:47.500 All of them.

00:19:48.740 Literally, right?

00:19:49.800 A hundred million.

00:19:51.720 A hundred million books in the palm of my hand.

00:19:54.640 In five years, it could be a billion.

00:19:56.580 Cyberspace doesn't care because, at least theoretically, it's infinitely scalable.

00:20:01.360 And so, what has this done?

00:20:03.420 This rise of this third industrial revolution.

00:20:05.660 It has blown the legacy media's business model to smithereens.

00:20:11.740 Because the legacy media is rooted in information monopolization.

00:20:18.500 Back in the day, I had to go to the media to find out information because they had a privileged

00:20:24.180 access to that information I didn't have.

00:20:26.840 And I had to go to them for information just like I had to go to George Peabody Library if

00:20:30.620 I wanted 300,000 books.

00:20:32.040 But now, with this world that's rising, that information has been radically decentralized

00:20:39.280 and dispersed and democratized.

00:20:42.360 And now you and I have access to the exact same information that anyone at CNN has.

00:20:49.200 So what does that mean?

00:20:50.620 It's exactly what Jack just said.

00:20:52.200 Now we get to fact-check CNN.

00:20:54.360 Everyone in this room has the power now to fact-check CNN.

00:21:01.960 And they've been found wanting, if I might put it mildly.

00:21:06.060 So all I can say is I think their business model and their days are over, just like the

00:21:10.740 days of the second industrial revolution.

00:21:13.240 Some may survive, some may not.

00:21:14.800 But newspaper circulation today is its lowest level since World War II.

00:21:20.560 The all networks combined plus cable channels combined cannot get the audience that Walter

00:21:27.500 Cronkite could get in one night.

00:21:29.780 And that was with a population of 200 million.

00:21:31.940 Now we're at almost 350 million.

00:21:33.840 They're going the way of the dodo bird.

00:21:35.720 We're just getting started.

00:21:36.700 Let me ask you guys to each close here, two pieces of advice or two categories.

00:21:45.300 One would be anybody interested in creating content, getting involved.

00:21:49.740 Any advice to them?

00:21:50.860 And then two, Jack, you hit on this a little bit, but there's so much noise out there.

00:21:55.520 So how do you dissect?

00:21:56.840 How do you figure out what it is that you want to kind of consume?

00:22:00.760 I know you're going to say just turn on Real America's Voice for nine hours a day.

00:22:04.020 But any advice to content creators and just how to dissect through it?

00:22:08.940 Yeah, no.

00:22:09.380 Well, I mean, once you've picked out your phone, gone to your podcast app and subscribed

00:22:13.600 to human events daily, and then, of course, checked out the war room where we get the

00:22:20.480 signal, not the noise, the key is this.

00:22:24.380 You want to find a lane, right?

00:22:26.820 You want to find a niche.

00:22:28.420 You want to find certain things that you can speak cleverly about.

00:22:32.320 This is something that you're knowledgeable about. 0.97

00:22:34.540 So a lot of people try to be generalists online, and I think this is foolish. 0.95

00:22:37.940 I think this is really foolhardy.

00:22:39.420 You want to be someone who's understood for your specialized knowledge on some certain issue.

00:22:44.440 Now, it might be cultural.

00:22:45.560 It might be a technical issue.

00:22:47.140 My brother's here.

00:22:48.120 He's a woodworker, so he does stuff about woodworking and stuff.

00:22:51.860 And so the idea being that when there's so much noise out there, someone has to be able

00:22:57.440 to explain what's actually happening, what's the geostrategic analysis, what's actually

00:23:03.580 going on behind the scenes in Washington, D.C., which is something I do to quite an extent.

00:23:08.000 That's another thing.

00:23:08.820 Other people are big on homesteading.

00:23:11.080 The Maha movement, for example.

00:23:12.840 Maha movement is the most popular movement in America today.

00:23:17.560 It is more popular than MAGA.

00:23:19.460 It is more popular than either of the parties.

00:23:21.540 And if people do not understand the power of the Maha movement and the ability for everyone

00:23:25.960 and every mom and every wife and grandmom and everything else, aunts and whatever in

00:23:31.020 the country, they love this thing.

00:23:33.380 I guarantee you it is female-driven. 0.99

00:23:35.520 And so understanding that all of these are different nodes for you to get involved socially,

00:23:41.080 for you to get involved online, then you start to build up your trust.

00:23:44.840 You've got to be interesting, you've got to build up those networks, you've got to build

00:23:47.880 up those relationships, like we were talking about, those connections.

00:23:50.880 And then, and this is key, consistency.

00:23:54.760 People say, how do you get so many followers, Jack?

00:23:56.660 I said, I did it every single day for 13 years.

00:24:00.320 I did it every day for 13 years, day in and day out, and I stayed consistent, and I never

00:24:06.720 quit, I never changed.

00:24:09.020 People know me from way back when.

00:24:11.700 They'll say, yeah, he's the same, he's just more.

00:24:13.680 And, and if you have that authenticity, but, you know, be interesting, people will follow

00:24:19.940 you, people will come, but, but, you know, to Turley's point, you know, we're not going

00:24:24.660 anywhere.

00:24:25.320 We're just getting started.

00:24:26.920 The sky's the limit.

00:24:28.520 And the information war is now being waged on these little pieces of glass in our pockets.

00:24:34.780 So, politically speaking, if you are involved and you want to move the needle, you must

00:24:40.460 become adept at social media, or you will die in the process.

00:24:45.880 Yeah.

00:24:46.480 That was gold right there.

00:24:47.840 That's awesome.

00:24:49.000 It's a Game of Thrones line.

00:24:50.860 You, you, um, if you have a camera, if you have a smartphone, you're already a cameraman.

00:24:56.120 And if you have a social media platform, you're already a commentator.

00:24:59.120 So, there you go.

00:25:00.620 You already have it, right?

00:25:01.760 That's, that's the beauty of this democratization.

00:25:04.700 Uh, in terms of the knowledge element to it, um, you know, obviously, expert epistemology

00:25:12.660 has collapsed, right?

00:25:14.540 Uh, Fauci did more to destroy, I think, the, the, the political class than any one person

00:25:21.720 on the planet.

00:25:22.860 Uh, that is when the mask got ripped off.

00:25:25.820 That's when everyone saw that these so-called experts are actually dictating to us.

00:25:31.120 They're not teaching us.

00:25:32.540 They're not, they're not informing us.

00:25:34.080 They're, they're dictating to us.

00:25:35.920 So, that's when you start to get into much more of a democratic epistemology, form of knowledge.

00:25:41.460 So, how do you know something is true?

00:25:44.220 One of the key ways is what's called corroboration.

00:25:47.100 Are different people from different walks of life all coming to the same conclusion?

00:25:51.680 Uh, it's known as technically critical realism.

00:25:54.860 That's just, that's generally what we do.

00:25:57.040 I see something on Twitter.

00:25:58.420 I go, ooh, that looks interesting.

00:25:59.880 And the first thing I say is, I gotta wait till it's corroborated.

00:26:03.200 I don't want to just go run with it.

00:26:04.740 I want to see somebody else go, yep, here's another source for the same conclusion.

00:26:09.500 So, it's that kind of corroboration that's going to help you sort things out.

00:26:13.640 But the days of the experts are over.

00:26:15.940 Well, I think one of the reasons why Joe Rogan just seems to embody this, this new media so

00:26:23.380 well is because I think the days of us being lectured to are over.

00:26:29.460 Because we have the same access, the same information as anyone at any of these big media outlets are,

00:26:36.540 it's not lecturing to us anymore.

00:26:38.160 They're learning right along with us.

00:26:40.280 They're not dictating to us.

00:26:42.820 They're discovering with us.

00:26:46.020 You see, they're not, they're not trying to control.

00:26:48.800 They're trying to, to inspire curiosity.

00:26:52.480 And, and so that's, that's where we are today.

00:26:56.560 I think we are the only media that is going to survive in an age of what's technically called

00:27:02.820 techno-populism, where technologies are freeing us from the old liberal industrial order.

00:27:07.820 The only media that's going to survive is a media that's ultimately accountable to you.

00:27:13.780 A media that is accountable to the people.

00:27:16.980 And the reason why I think the legacy media is dying is because it refuses to be accountable

00:27:21.280 to you.

00:27:21.640 It refuses to apologize.

00:27:23.460 It refuses to admit, yeah, we lied to you about Biden's acuity.

00:27:27.600 Yeah, we lied to you about it.

00:27:29.320 They refuse.

00:27:30.500 And we know it.

00:27:31.320 And now they're actually throwing him under the bus and pretending as if, oh, well, I

00:27:37.520 did, that's so, oh, you know, and you're like, we all saw it four years ago.

00:27:42.500 We saw the guy had to be shoveled in everywhere he went.

00:27:46.220 So I think any media that's not ultimately accountable to the people will not be able to

00:27:53.060 survive a new era of techno-populism, where media has to learn with you, it has to discover

00:27:59.060 with you, and it has to awaken a sense of curiosity and awe.

00:28:04.460 Ladies and gentlemen, a big round of applause for these two and everything done for our movement.

00:28:08.480 And for Cliff Maloney as well.

00:28:09.900 Thank you, Cliff.

00:28:10.300 Thank you, Cliff.

00:28:10.840 Thank you.

00:28:14.260 Very good job.

00:28:15.400 Thank you.

00:28:15.700 Great job.

00:28:16.120 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 05, 2025

The Truth About New Media at the PLC w⧸ Jack Posobiec, Cliff Maloney and Dr. Steve Turley

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