Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - The Twisted World of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs

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00:00:52.080 Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political

00:00:58.040 and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented.

00:01:06.640 She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.

00:01:15.500 This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father,

00:01:22.380 who have very different political views.

00:01:35.180 Audrey Hale, March 27th, she killed six people at the Covenant School in Nashville.

00:01:40.780 We now have the forensics on Audrey.

00:01:42.720 Audrey, I will remind you, it's very sensitive because Audrey was in transition.

00:01:47.400 So, Audrey was trans, but was holding themselves out as female at home and then male sometimes in public.

00:01:56.600 So, the pronouns are sticky.

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00:01:59.980 I want to hear screaming and howling.

00:02:02.700 I want to hear horse noises.

00:02:04.460 I want to hear moaning.

00:02:06.320 We are degenerates against racism. 0.82

00:02:08.520 Robin Westman, the 23-year-old transgender Minneapolis shooter who murdered two children at a Catholic church, 0.63

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00:02:27.480 No Trump, no heist, no fascist USA.

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00:02:37.860 No heist, no Trump, no heist, no fascist USA.

00:02:41.860 We got him.

00:02:43.080 Authorities identified the suspected gunman in Wednesday's fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk

00:02:47.760 as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson of Utah.

00:02:50.800 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:02:56.200 I wanted to take a little bit of time to do a special deep dive, a deep dive special on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson.

00:03:10.480 And there's been a lot of questions about this.

00:03:13.000 There's been a lot of theories about this.

00:03:15.040 But then one day, a couple of weeks ago, something very interesting happened.

00:03:19.920 A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom, who is known for his videos on commentary, his videos on e-drama, his videos on games, put out a very interesting video.

00:03:35.140 Now, he had done a video about Tyler Robinson right after he was arrested for Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:03:39.740 But then he put out another video, and he said that in response to the first video, someone had reached out to him, someone who was a friend and sometime even roommate of both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, the boyfriend trans lover of Tyler Robinson.

00:04:01.840 And so after that person reached out, this leaker, this leaker, this whistleblower reached out, he then began to provide a story, a sordid tale of what really went on between those two, this toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology, the furry subculture, but really deep and deranged behavior.

00:04:31.840 Hard drugs, schizophrenia, and an interesting obsession with chat GPT.

00:04:40.720 And in fact, even the use of black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy, Troonshine.

00:04:51.100 And so when you dig through these leaks, and there are photos, by the way, internal photos of the apartment that only could have been obtained by someone who was actually in there.

00:04:59.660 There are messages from the Discord channel that were screenshotted and leaked out that, again, only could have been obtained if someone was actually in there.

00:05:07.860 And I'll say this is a reported leaker, but it all rings very, very true.

00:05:13.540 And the points of corroboration on these leaks from the photos have been lined up with the home of where Lance and Tyler Robinson lived at the time.

00:05:24.520 They've also been corroborated with some of the other online activity.

00:05:28.020 Some of the photos and the video games and accounts that were used line up as well.

00:05:34.240 And so we'll say we'll take this as a reported leaker, and we'll leave it at that.

00:05:41.440 But it does beg some understanding, and I think some scrutiny, of what actually was going on in this nest.

00:05:52.320 What was really going on in this relationship?

00:05:56.700 Who was the driving force in this relationship?

00:06:00.700 Who was the one who had the true mental issues?

00:06:03.900 Was it Lance Twiggs?

00:06:05.860 What role did he play, if any, in all of this?

00:06:10.340 And how did all of this affect Tyler Robinson?

00:06:14.040 And how did it get him to the point where, authorities allege, he climbed the roof of the low-sea building, Utah Valley University, with his grandfather's Mauser, and fired a shot down into an amphitheater, a shot that struck and killed our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:06:41.520 What's the back story?

00:06:42.900 How did this happen?

00:06:44.040 Why did this happen?

00:06:46.120 What was the motivation?

00:06:48.480 These leaks that have come out, these reported leaks, paint a possible answer and a very dark picture.

00:06:57.800 So we are going to dig into the twisted world of Tyler Robinson today.

00:07:05.260 Liz Wheeler is joining us around the bend. 0.62

00:07:07.780 We'll be right back.

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00:07:09.560 On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, drop what you're doing.

00:07:23.580 Look under my keyboard.

00:07:24.860 The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.

00:07:35.500 All right, Jack, we're back live here, Human Events Daily.

00:07:40.820 And of course, as we're talking about all of this, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring on someone who's been doing so much yeoman's work on it herself.

00:07:51.000 It is my friend Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.

00:07:54.680 Liz, welcome to Human Events Daily.

00:07:57.000 Hi, Jack.

00:07:57.440 Thanks for having me.

00:07:58.660 So just on the story behind the story perspective, how was it that the Turkey Tom leaks first crossed your radar?

00:08:11.840 Yeah, this is a very interesting story and one that I'm surprised, I think you probably feel the same way, hasn't gotten more traction than it has.

00:08:21.100 I did not see these leaks, this insider, this individual who was friends with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.

00:08:29.720 He says that he spent six years playing magic cards and video games going over to Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson's apartment.

00:08:37.460 He is able to paint a pretty intimate portrait into who Tyler Robinson is, who Lance Twiggs is, what their relationship was like, what their sexual relationship was like,

00:08:47.860 what the state of their apartment was like, what the state of their mental health was like, giving us a lot of context into how these individuals or how Tyler Robinson specifically,

00:08:59.340 how he was radicalized, how he might have gotten to the point that he would be motivated to commit the crime that he is accused of committing.

00:09:08.440 And Jack, to be honest, I didn't see this report until about two or three days after it was published.

00:09:13.980 And I think that I was still one of the first to see it, even though it was a couple of days after it had been published.

00:09:19.680 Someone sent it to me and said, hey, have you seen this?

00:09:22.340 And I looked into it and I looked into verifying these reports because you don't believe everything you see in here on the Internet.

00:09:28.340 And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos of inside the apartment, photos of Lance Twiggs is really demented artwork, photos of this nest of just junk and garbage and trash that he created in the living room.

00:09:45.040 And then insider accounts of verifiable background details.

00:09:49.880 That's I mean, it is the story that you hear with a lot of these things.

00:09:53.040 Someone says, hey, what do you think of this?

00:09:54.500 And it leads you down this investigative path to, as you said in your intro, I think a lot of answers that we've been looking for.

00:10:01.580 You know, I think that's right.

00:10:02.740 And, you know, I think it does also speak, you know, and we could, you know, grouse about it, but how there's sort of like different, you know, there's different silos of information these days.

00:10:12.420 And with the decentralization of information, you know, even those of us who work in media, you know, if we're not watching YouTube all the time or watching, you know, different pockets, you know, we may miss something where this, by the time I had seen it, it already had something like 800,000 views.

00:10:28.420 But then before I saw your episode and some people, you know, reaching out about it, it hadn't crossed over into conservative media at all or news media because it was sort of in the YouTuber community.

00:10:41.380 And I just think it's kind of interesting that it worked that way.

00:10:44.840 What did you make of and I've seen some people that have gone in and worked on corroborative efforts to say, OK, you know, they pulled up the, you know, apartment when it had its listing, I think, on Zillow or Redfin.

00:10:58.420 And it said that matches some of the pictures that came out, obviously, one very disgusting and sexually charged picture that came out from the bathroom that's featured in the video, as well as some of the video games.

00:11:09.140 There's different things in the sketches that match up with what we know about his online history.

00:11:12.680 What did you make of the corroboration of it? Because to me, it just it rings very true.

00:11:18.460 Yeah, I think it's it's always difficult when you don't have 100 percent of the evidence in front of you. Right.

00:11:25.280 I always say in politics and on my show, no matter how much I like someone or trust someone, it doesn't matter.

00:11:31.060 It's not personal. It's professional. I don't want to take anybody's word for it.

00:11:34.240 I want you to show me your work and show me the evidence.

00:11:36.780 And so there's always a part of me when there's a report like this that and I often do this, by the way, I'm fortunate enough now that I've been in this business for such a long time.

00:11:44.700 I oftentimes if this is a report by someone that I know, I call them and I say, hey, can you tell me exactly how you verified this?

00:11:52.180 And they show me the behind the scenes, how they put this together, even the parts that they haven't reported on.

00:11:55.900 And I actually do get to see the evidence so I can have confidence talking about whatever they reported publicly.

00:12:01.740 But as you mentioned, there are silos on the Internet.

00:12:04.800 The turkey Tom is not a political commentator. He's not in conservative politics.

00:12:08.320 He's sort of in this niche, chronically online YouTube bro world that I'm definitely not in as an individual.

00:12:15.780 And there wasn't a lot of crossover until a couple of weeks ago, I think, when we reported on it, that it sort of began that crossover into politics.

00:12:22.740 So all that being said, I think that the photographs that were provided did a lot for me because that would be pretty easily disproven if those were faked in some way.

00:12:32.020 But if you have a photograph inside an apartment that matches the layout of the apartment that Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs resided in, if you also provided a series of text messages and communications to verify your relationship with that person so you can have so that those listening to your account can have confidence that you're not just some random person making up a story.

00:12:52.980 That's a pretty good start for substantiating evidence.

00:12:58.260 I, of course, wish that this person would go public, would reveal his name and actually just say, like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to tell you and show you this stuff.

00:13:04.640 But I also understand in this volatile political environment that, I mean, he might be afraid.

00:13:08.880 He might not want to be in the public eye. I don't know him. I don't know why.

00:13:11.540 But I would say for not having the evidence in front of my own eyes, this is a pretty good effort to make people feel confident that that there's something to this, that this is that this is authentic.

00:13:24.000 Well, and I certainly reminds me of you said that whether or not that this person has come public, I really, really, really stress that I hope this person has been interviewed by the Utah prosecutors and the FBI.

00:13:36.920 Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. I don't I don't have any insider information on that.

00:13:39.840 I know some of the people that the FBI has been talking to that they've that they've interviewed.

00:13:45.560 I don't know if they have interviewed this individual, although I do know that they have been sent this this particular report from Substack.

00:13:53.740 Yeah. And that was so by the way, there's just the work ethic behind this to put together the video that he did.

00:14:00.280 And by the way, it's it's Turkey Tom. If anyone wants to check it out, I know it's Thanksgiving time, so it's appropriately named.

00:14:07.100 So it's Turkey Tom on YouTube. Full credit to him for putting this together.

00:14:11.180 And he's got a Substack up as well for anyone who wants to see the full data.

00:14:15.620 So you can go through that. You don't even if you like watching videos, you can watch it.

00:14:19.040 It's long. It's about 40 minutes, but you can also go and read the Substack.

00:14:22.480 And it's just really incredible piece of journalism that I think he put together to say, look, I've got this wild story.

00:14:30.480 It seems real to me. I'm going to put the appropriate caveats in front of it.

00:14:34.280 I'm going to put out the information and I'm going to leave it out there for you.

00:14:37.220 And ultimately, that's what you do when you get a source that comes forward like that.

00:14:40.960 Yeah, I think that's right. I think Turkey Tom and I don't know Turkey Tom.

00:14:45.700 I'd actually never heard of Turkey Tom until I saw this report.

00:14:47.880 And then I looked into him to see, you know, what is his track record?

00:14:51.180 Is he is he a person who tells the truth? Is he a person that tells lies?

00:14:54.680 I don't like I said, I don't know him personally. I have not even interviewed him professionally,

00:14:57.520 although that might be an interesting interview to hear to hear a little more firsthand account of how this this particular report was put together.

00:15:05.620 But what I appreciate and we live in this post gatekeeping world, Jack, right?

00:15:10.060 We live in this world where we don't want to and this is I'm talking I'm not talking as a political commentator myself.

00:15:15.640 I'm talking about as a consumer, as a citizen of the United States.

00:15:18.620 We don't want to just rely on somebody else. We don't want to say, oh, that's our trusted news anchor.

00:15:23.020 That's our trusted podcaster. We want to be shown the evidence.

00:15:27.680 We want to watch the sausage being made.

00:15:29.960 We don't want to just believe it because it's a salacious headline or because it might in some way verify the view that we want to hold.

00:15:40.340 We want to see the evidence here. Evidence is very important, at least to the audience on my show.

00:15:44.700 That's one of the things that I connect the most with with my audience is we just want the proof.

00:15:48.620 We just want to see it right in front of our eyes, because once we see something, we're not stupid.

00:15:52.560 We know what we're seeing. We don't need gatekeepers being told or telling us what to do.

00:15:57.380 But circling back to my original point, Turkey Tom did what I think is really smart and I appreciate, and that is he addressed that at the very beginning.

00:16:05.300 He said, I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper. I'm not trying to say, just take my word for it.

00:16:09.080 This is an insider account. I'm telling you how I attempted to verify this and what was said to me.

00:16:13.980 So I appreciate that.

00:16:15.940 And there were even times where, as a good journalist would do, you have to redact certain things that provide those details because you don't want to out your source.

00:16:24.860 And, you know, taking those steps to protect someone's identity, protect a source's identity, which is something that you do have to do when you're in the game, is, you know, just another step that I think shows that this was done in good faith.

00:16:37.580 And, you know, we've got a couple more minutes until the break, but reading through some of it, it just seems to me like an incredibly toxic relationship where it seems that clearly, clearly, Twigs has serious mental issues.

00:16:52.580 But then also that Tyler, of his own decision, decided to get involved with this person and go on this, you know, you know, start playing this game along with him.

00:17:07.440 Yeah, that's actually probably the biggest question that I think is left unanswered by this report is what that moment was for Tyler, that motivating moment.

00:17:18.320 If he was raised as a typical Utah blue-collar guy, as this friend says he was, and we know that Tyler Robinson's parents were Republicans, what was it that caused him to even move in with Lance Twigs?

00:17:30.740 What was it that caused him to be susceptible to Lance Twigs' sexual advances?

00:17:35.500 What was it that caused him to change his political views if he shared political views with his parents, which I suppose we don't know for a fact, but it's likely that at some point he did.

00:17:44.900 That's typically how it works when your parents hold political views.

00:17:47.220 You hold the same ones for a while.

00:17:49.100 If they changed and they seemed to change, what changed them?

00:17:53.480 And the picture painted by this report from the friend, this insider who spent a lot of time at Lance Twigs' and Tyler Robinson's apartment,

00:18:01.400 I mean, it seems like a really sordid, demented, perverted tale of sexual fetishes and drugs.

00:18:09.140 It seems like, yes, there is obvious mental illness at play with Lance Twigs, the depth of which is illustrated in some of these demented drawings and his really weird behaviors.

00:18:19.520 And I don't know what the state of Tyler Robinson's mental health was, but once you become involved in demented, perverted sexual activity, once you become dependent on drugs,

00:18:31.560 especially if you have not done drugs before, especially if you haven't engaged in this type of sexual behavior, that's going to cause a mental spiral regardless of the baseline state of your mental health.

00:18:41.080 No, I think that's exactly right.

00:18:43.660 And it has to be said over and over and iterated over and over that Tyler Robinson decided to do this.

00:18:51.000 This was a decision.

00:18:52.220 This was a plan.

00:18:53.300 This was part of some kind of sick game.

00:18:56.160 So Jack Posobiec, we're on with Liz Wheeler talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs.

00:19:02.420 Right back, Human Events Daily.

00:19:11.080 Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings, hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point.

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00:19:23.220 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back here, live Human Events Daily.

00:19:28.160 We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs.

00:19:31.920 We're on with Liz Wheeler.

00:19:32.820 Liz, let's start digging into some of these logs, these texts that came out from the leaker.

00:19:39.340 And then and how we have the discords and the photos that sort of corroborate it.

00:19:45.280 Yeah.

00:19:45.800 And one thing I want to add that we were talking about in the prior segment when we were talking about whether this leaker is authentic and how to know whether a leaker like this is authentic or not.

00:19:55.420 One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote, and I just pulled this up over the break.

00:19:58.540 One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote at the beginning of his Substack report was a list of things that this leaker provided him to substantiate the story.

00:20:08.620 And the number one thing that he listed is photos verifying their connection.

00:20:12.820 And we don't know all of the photos verifying their connection, but I have to imagine it includes things like photos of the leaker with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, maybe of text message conversations or phone numbers.

00:20:24.460 Something that I would encourage Turkey Tom to let us know about, if you possibly can, without revealing the identity of this person.

00:20:32.440 But as for the content of what goes on here, I think, Jack, it's really important to start with their apartment, to start with the state of their apartment.

00:20:39.240 This friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs describes, and he provides photos of this too, provides a description of what he says is Lance Twigs' nest.

00:20:50.100 So it starts with a table full of wires, all twisted together in this jumbled heap, no discernible order, wires and junk and trinkets from online stores, notes and artwork written in pen in this really vigorous, aggressive way.

00:21:09.520 And this friend says, this is what Lance Twigs described as his nest.

00:21:15.280 And during periods of the time when Lance Twigs would be more stable, the nest would be smaller, be a little more organized.

00:21:21.480 But as Lance Twigs would enter into a spiral, this nest would expand from just covering the table to covering the counter to covering the couch, the entire living room.

00:21:32.160 And if anybody visiting the apartment, and it actually sounded like they had guests quite frequently at the apartment, if anybody touched any of these things, Lance Twigs would go nuts.

00:21:41.000 He would go insane. 0.96

00:21:42.000 He would start screaming his head off at people, not to touch even a single piece of his trash. 0.93

00:21:47.340 He also conducted what this friend describes as mold experiments in glass jars and old pieces of trash.

00:21:54.460 You would grow mold around the apartment and in the sink.

00:21:57.460 And during periods of stability, the number of mold experiments would shrink to just one or two.

00:22:03.220 And during periods of spiral, these mold experiments would overtake the apartment.

00:22:07.780 I mean, this in of itself is like, you know, it's like hoarder on steroids.

00:22:12.140 This in and of itself is a mental problem. 0.90

00:22:14.000 Then you add into it their propensity, and I say they because it's both Tyler and Lance, it appears, their propensity for sexual fetishes, this furry sexual fetish that they both seemed to be participants of. 0.96

00:22:29.080 A furry sexual fetish for those uninitiated, and you're lucky if you're uninitiated. 0.99

00:22:33.480 It's a fetish where grown men dress up like animals in order to have perverted sex with each other. 0.98

00:22:39.180 And there's typically an element of, I don't know if this is a good way to describe it, Jack, but I've been calling it intellectual pedophilia because there's role play of like one adult animal having sex with a cub or someone that's supposed to be role playing a young animal, which is just the most demented, evil, satanic thing you can think of. 0.93

00:22:57.480 And this insider talks about the sexual relationship and even how it began, Jack, which is extremely troubling.

00:23:04.980 Actually, Liz, because I've been sort of paralleling your journey into this subculture, I recently learned that the slang term that is used in the furry community for what you're describing is called puppy play or pup play.

00:23:22.180 And so one of them will take on the guise of a child or a pup or kit or sometimes kitten and act like a child.

00:23:32.500 And we already know, by the way, because it's been linked in reporting that Tyler Robinson was looking at furry porn, which included what they call cub porn, which is so children, basically anthropomorphic children, furry children being involved in sexual activity,

00:23:52.000 with adults. 0.93

00:23:53.540 Yeah, I mean, it's it's so demented.

00:23:56.440 It's hard.

00:23:57.700 It's hard to even wrap your mind around.

00:23:59.900 I feel disgusting talking about it.

00:24:02.060 I am sorry to scandalize people listening to it.

00:24:05.100 But the the reason that it's relevant to this story is because this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes how he believes the sexual relationship between Lance and Tyler began.

00:24:15.640 He said Lance Twiggs was known to drink alcohol in excess amounts.

00:24:19.860 And when he would drink alcohol in excess amounts, he became very cuddly.

00:24:23.360 This friend said he encountered Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson cuddling on the couch multiple times after Lance Twiggs had imbibed over imbibed.

00:24:33.420 And he speculated, he's like, at first, I thought nothing of it.

00:24:37.680 He's like, but then as it became clear that Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson were engaging in sexual activity together, he said, I speculated that maybe one of those times that they were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twiggs had been drinking, somebody crossed a line.

00:24:50.720 Maybe Lance Twiggs had sexually groomed Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him.

00:24:55.200 Again, the reason that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of basic morality.

00:25:01.420 When you engage in immoral acts, it twists your moral compass into allowing yourself to be convinced that wrong is right and right is wrong, which clearly applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made when he he's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk.

00:25:18.620 The other part of this, Jack, the other part of the sexual relationship that's relevant is during these times of Lance Twiggs' spirals, as described by this friend, where he would go two or three days without sleeping.

00:25:30.340 He'd talk to chat GPT in on it like you can't even it's it's not you can't read it.

00:25:36.240 It's not real words.

00:25:37.220 He's talking in gibberish to chat GPT.

00:25:40.040 He's talking to people in gibberish.

00:25:41.880 It appeared that Tyler Robinson was still engaging in sexual activity with Lance Twiggs.

00:25:46.880 So there's that's not healthy.

00:25:48.880 That's not normal.

00:25:49.860 You have to wonder then what this what this dynamic between these two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance Twiggs also would, even when they had people over in their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times when he was barely able to communicate with the guests in his apartment.

00:26:13.260 That's right.

00:26:15.260 And I read those messages as well.

00:26:18.260 And I read with this friend and, you know, sometime roommate was was reacting to and was describing. 0.95

00:26:26.260 It's just it's so depraved and it's so gross. 0.75

00:26:29.760 And at the same time, it's real. 0.82

00:26:32.960 It's all real.

00:26:34.260 And when you read through it and you say, what type of twisted person could possibly get up on a roof and shoot Charlie Kirk? 0.90

00:26:42.100 And then you read this and you say, well, you know, it sounds like this type of twisted, demented person would commit such an act of evil.

00:26:50.580 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Liz Wheeler, Human Events Daily.

00:26:53.220 There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate may have been transitioned in.

00:27:06.840 Did that correlate with what you saw?

00:27:09.960 Yeah, definitely.

00:27:11.200 He was going to have an operation to be turned into a woman. 1.00

00:27:15.840 Yeah.

00:27:16.460 And then he was sick.

00:27:17.360 Yeah.

00:27:17.560 The roommate police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who is was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.

00:27:29.420 The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting.

00:27:35.360 And and he did provide those messages to police.

00:27:39.680 On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said,

00:27:47.560 Drop what you're doing.

00:27:49.240 Look under my keyboard.

00:27:51.140 The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

00:28:02.500 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live here.

00:28:04.780 Human Events Daily.

00:28:05.580 We're with Liz Wheeler.

00:28:06.340 We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic relationship.

00:28:15.340 And Liz, we were just chatting during the break, but it wasn't just alcohol.

00:28:20.680 It wasn't just the the leftism which has come out in so much of these leaks, the the hatred of Charlie Kirk, the and all conservatives, really.

00:28:30.180 But also the, you know, the rampant use of we talk about alcohol, but also drugs and something called black market H.R.T.

00:28:39.620 Yeah, and this might be one another one of the underreported aspects that's truly critical to this story.

00:28:48.460 This insider, this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes Lance Twiggs as not just drinking too much alcohol, but as a frequent user.

00:28:57.820 I think he said he vaped THC, that he used shrooms.

00:29:01.880 He used LSD.

00:29:03.160 He used Molly.

00:29:04.400 He describes him as a heavy drug user.

00:29:07.040 In addition to the fact that Lance Twiggs, obviously born a biological male, was at some point in the transition, quote unquote, to a female, meaning that he was identifying.

00:29:19.120 It seemed maybe when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female, but that that identity or that transition included using hormone replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor that he had gotten just from a local drug dealer.

00:29:33.920 I suppose that's how you get drugs on the black market, meaning we don't know the dosage.

00:29:38.360 We don't know if it was contaminated.

00:29:39.360 We don't really know what was in it.

00:29:41.620 We don't know how this was affecting his mental state.

00:29:45.440 We, I mean, for all we know, this could have been something that was more toxic than just hormone replacement therapy is in and of itself.

00:29:54.260 Let's just say that.

00:29:55.620 And the way this friend describes Lance Twiggs' life, it seemed like this drug use was not just frequent.

00:30:02.840 It was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in Lance Twiggs, periods of time when he was going days and days without sleeping,

00:30:10.660 when he was obsessively talking and gibberish to chat GPT, when he was having tantrums in his own room, when he was screaming at people for touching his trash piles in his nest.

00:30:21.000 I mean, it's all connected, Jack.

00:30:23.420 Oh, it is all connected.

00:30:24.560 And what's interesting, too, is that when you look at, and I'm just going to say it, there was another piece there where the friend, the leaker,

00:30:34.720 mentions that he believes that Tyler Robinson was, shall we say, sexually inexperienced, that he was a virgin when he moved in with Lance Twiggs.

00:30:46.440 And I realized while looking at some of this stuff and reading through that it actually sounds like this was incel behavior from Tyler Robinson's case,

00:30:56.900 that it's okay, he's an incel, right?

00:30:59.120 So we certainly have heard so much of that and so many times where these downwardly immobile white males have, you know, kind of been in this incel community. 0.72

00:31:08.080 But here's one, yet again, who is responding in an enraged fashion, incel rage, which is certainly something that's been studied.

00:31:16.580 But in a way, it's almost like, and this is just my opinion, I'm not saying this is in the evidence,

00:31:22.040 but it's almost like he was searching for a way to lose that virginity.

00:31:26.560 He was searching in a way to be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors, the drugs, the perverted sexual activity, 0.99

00:31:37.240 the furry behavior, the furry porn, the cub porn. 0.90

00:31:41.720 All of this is a sort of way to dive in after having been, you know, considered himself an incel prior to this.

00:31:49.420 And, you know, then just kind of overdoses on these internet subcultures, completely snaps.

00:31:56.220 And in a way, you know, people are saying, well, did he do this as an act of romance or an act of love with Twigs? 0.73

00:32:02.760 And I think he was doing it looking for some kind of validation, right?

00:32:06.560 And that's just my opinion, but almost looking for, you know, like an act of praise.

00:32:13.600 Like he wanted praise for us.

00:32:14.840 He wanted to impress Twigs. 0.83

00:32:16.620 Look what I did for you.

00:32:17.860 Look what I've done for you.

00:32:19.600 And, you know, of course, you know, Twigs even responding, saying that I didn't know you wanted to do something like that.

00:32:26.480 But when you really get into these motivations, and all of this is certainly going to come out at trial,

00:32:30.320 so we're getting, you know, an early look at it.

00:32:32.400 But it's going to be something that comes up, the motivation of what could drive someone to do something so horrible.

00:32:39.780 And I think this does, it doesn't answer all the questions.

00:32:43.140 It, in fact, gives me many more questions.

00:32:45.280 But it gets you part of the way there.

00:32:47.240 Yeah, I think, I mean, there's so much speculation that could, that we could engage in when it comes to this.

00:32:54.820 And I, in a sense, want to avoid the speculation and just follow the facts.

00:32:58.120 I think you're correct that it raises a lot of questions.

00:33:01.000 And if I were the FBI, I would pursue some of the questions that you mentioned.

00:33:05.600 Another aspect of the word that you mentioned, this incel culture, would be the lockdowns.

00:33:12.460 Were these individuals subject to social isolation?

00:33:15.140 Were their schools shut down?

00:33:17.740 Were they reduced to being chronically online?

00:33:21.120 Is that when their radicalization or their mental instability began?

00:33:25.000 I'd certainly, if I were the FBI, be interested in looking into that.

00:33:28.880 Because it is.

00:33:29.840 I mean, if we're going to try to get an idea of the totality, the context of these individuals,

00:33:36.820 their lives and their beliefs, what motivated Tyler Robinson to commit such a heinous, horrible, evil act,

00:33:44.540 you do have to look at every aspect of what has formed and informed this person,

00:33:49.680 whether it is their religion, their relationship with their family, their political views,

00:33:54.560 their drug use, their alcohol use, their friendships, their online habits, their sexual habits.

00:34:00.040 All of these things play into it and form the totality of evidence.

00:34:05.060 And you have to wonder, or I wonder, I should say, and if I were the FBI, I would be investigating this

00:34:10.140 when this type of chronically online behavior, this foray or experimentation with these extreme things,

00:34:18.220 drugs and sex, furry pornography, specifically the transgender ideology,

00:34:23.060 when that began and where it came from. 0.97

00:34:25.920 Well, I think that's right.

00:34:26.600 And it's actually not that I cite these guys very often, but there was a piece in The New Yorker

00:34:32.040 a couple of weeks ago, and it was called How Monsters Went from Menacing to Misunderstood.

00:34:39.900 And they, just in the subhead, they wrote,

00:34:41.440 For most of human history, monsters were repugnant aberrations, breaches of the natural and moral order.

00:34:47.580 What's behind our relentless urge to humanize them?

00:34:51.200 And so I think that's something that, you know, we really as a society have, you know,

00:34:55.420 you call it Disney movies, Pixar, et cetera.

00:34:58.020 You know, we're always sort of looking for, you know, the whole movie series Wicked is about trying

00:35:03.260 to humanize and the Wicked Witch and saying, oh, you know, she was just misunderstood.

00:35:08.120 And actually, Dorothy was the bad one. 1.00

00:35:10.740 And see, you totally don't get it.

00:35:12.740 And Maleficent was a whole series like this, too, also pushed by Disney.

00:35:15.700 And so there's all these things pushed throughout our culture where we take the monstrous

00:35:21.280 and we say, no, no, it's just misunderstood.

00:35:23.480 But we can't do that from a legal perspective and from a societal justice perspective, can we?

00:35:29.980 No, and I don't think that that's what this is.

00:35:32.920 I think understanding the totality of what formed the ideology that motivated Tyler Robinson,

00:35:39.320 who is alleged by authorities who have assassinated Charlie Kirk,

00:35:42.920 I think the reason to investigate the background and the context of him and his motivations and his

00:35:48.180 ideological formation, is because this is an increasingly common ideology among young men

00:35:54.780 in our country, whether it's these radical trans groups, whether it's in Antifa, there

00:36:00.220 is a lot of left-wing violence that is happening right now in our country.

00:36:04.120 And it is important in order to protect our families and our communities and our nation,

00:36:10.980 the fabric of our nation at large.

00:36:12.240 It's important to understand why this is happening and how these people are being formed into the

00:36:18.440 revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they are, because they aren't born like

00:36:22.200 this, Jack.

00:36:22.780 They're not born Marxists.

00:36:24.400 They're not born murderers.

00:36:25.840 Something happens between the moment they leave the womb and, you know, the moment that they

00:36:29.800 pull the trigger and assassinate our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:36:32.000 Something happened to indoctrinate them into this evil ideology. 0.91

00:36:35.880 And you and I are both Catholic.

00:36:37.140 We know that we have been given free will.

00:36:41.220 We as humans have the choice to choose God or to choose Satan.

00:36:44.760 And if Tyler Robinson is convicted of the crime that we think he committed, then we know that

00:36:49.360 he chose evil and he should be held accountable for that, both in front of his creator and in

00:36:53.860 a just society like ours.

00:36:56.480 No one's trying to step away from that.

00:36:58.720 But larger picture, if we are facing the ongoing threat of similar crimes being committed against

00:37:05.180 those that we love, we need to understand the formation of these people so that we can make

00:37:09.040 an effort as a society to stop it.

00:37:11.420 It's really as simple as that.

00:37:12.860 And when I served at Guantanamo Bay and came face to face with radical Islam and some of 1.00

00:37:19.120 the most horrific radical Islamic killers that our country has ever seen, I still spent time 1.00

00:37:25.140 trying to unpack their radical ideology and learning about what it was about radical Islam 0.78

00:37:30.380 that made them commit the acts that they did.

00:37:33.400 It didn't mean that it absolved them from the acts or something like that.

00:37:36.800 No, not at all.

00:37:37.720 It was about understanding an ideology and an enemy that was facing my country, my family

00:37:44.900 that needed to be stopped.

00:37:47.020 We'll be right back.

00:37:47.740 Jack Posobiec, Liz Wheeler.

00:37:50.520 I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

00:37:54.260 I do not take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently as county

00:38:02.760 attorney, based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.

00:38:09.720 All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily.

00:38:12.500 We're on with Liz Wheeler.

00:38:13.500 And the more and more that I read about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs,

00:38:22.260 it reminds me so much of the story, you know, the case that was called The Crime of the Century,

00:38:28.060 Leopold and Loeb.

00:38:29.960 Leopold and Loeb were two American murderers in 1924 in Chicago.

00:38:37.100 And there are several movies about this, one of which has Jimmy Stewart's now Pitchcock movie.

00:38:43.240 It's a great one.

00:38:44.420 And they, the two of them, were highly intelligent.

00:38:49.120 They were highly successful scholastically.

00:38:53.760 And yet they decided to prove their intellect and to prove how better they were than others,

00:38:59.580 that they would kidnap and murder a 14-year-old named Bobby Franks, who they knew.

00:39:07.100 And they were two people who were caught and had done this because simply they decided

00:39:12.240 to, to show their prowess.

00:39:15.260 Now, they were given life in prison.

00:39:16.420 They were not executed.

00:39:17.520 I believe they should have been executed because, again, in this case, they made this decision.

00:39:23.220 They made this horrific decision to do this. 0.84

00:39:26.060 And we know that Charlie Kirk was a believer in the death penalty, that Charlie Kirk was someone

00:39:32.320 who read the Bible and said, this shows me that God has ordered the death penalty for

00:39:37.420 these, those heinous crimes.

00:39:38.600 And funny enough, or funnily enough, I suppose I should say, that their defense attorney was

00:39:43.360 none other than Clarence Darrow himself.

00:39:46.920 Yes, the very same Clarence Darrow from the Scopes Monkey Trial, a famous atheist in his own

00:39:54.300 right and chipped away at American justice and American capital punishment.

00:39:58.720 And so we, we see a lot of similarities.

00:40:02.320 We see because there were, there was a lot of sexual activity and what they claimed was 0.60

00:40:08.860 abuse and they were in a homosexual affair with themselves. 0.67

00:40:12.740 That's why it reminds me, reminded me so much of this.

00:40:15.340 And, you know, Liz, when, when we look at the totality of all of this, you know, Leopold

00:40:19.800 and Loeb, that was 100 years ago, exactly 100 years ago, 101.

00:40:24.000 And here we are a hundred years later.

00:40:27.300 And the only difference, I suppose you could say is it wasn't just homosexuality.

00:40:31.540 It was transsexuality in this case. 0.85

00:40:34.020 Yeah.

00:40:34.640 I mean, the, the connective tissue there is godlessness, right?

00:40:38.520 Both of which are, both of which require it in order to be a practitioner.

00:40:43.220 Listen, Jack, I think one of the things too, about the transgender ideology, we have talked

00:40:48.260 or we had begun to talk as, as a nation, not just in the conservative movement about this

00:40:54.240 threat of violence that is included in the transgender ideology. 1.00

00:40:59.380 And I think it's worth noting how it applies to this case too.

00:41:03.100 I wrote a book two years ago about the assault on America's kids.

00:41:07.080 And I noted that at the time, critical race theory was the thing.

00:41:10.840 That was the topic that was, you know, young white children in school were being told that

00:41:14.680 they were irredeemably racist because of the color of their skin.

00:41:17.640 And there was nothing they could do about it because of crimes or wrongdoings that were

00:41:22.640 committed by generations ago, by people who happened to share the same skin color.

00:41:26.680 Young black children were being told that they're oppressed based on the color of their

00:41:29.580 skin.

00:41:29.800 There was nothing they could do about it.

00:41:31.400 And this creates in children, such an incredible self-loathing.

00:41:35.920 Imagine being told that you're evil and they're not because of anything you've done or thought

00:41:39.400 or said or how you've treated other people, but just based on what you look like, based on who

00:41:43.280 you are.

00:41:44.960 Conversely, imagine what it's like to be told that you're oppressed and that you're never

00:41:47.460 going to succeed based on just what you look like.

00:41:49.640 This creates an identity crisis and intentionally so in young children.

00:41:53.980 And I call it the one-two punch.

00:41:56.120 So children are being indoctrinated in critical race theory.

00:41:59.280 And especially this applies to young white children for the purpose of this illustration.

00:42:02.760 They have their identity torn down.

00:42:05.340 They feel self-loathing.

00:42:07.040 And that's the first punch.

00:42:08.000 And in comes this second ideology, this transgender ideology that says, listen, you might have been 0.81

00:42:14.640 labeled as the oppressor because of the color of your skin.

00:42:17.260 And there's nothing you can do to redeem yourself from that.

00:42:19.220 But I'm offering you this antidote.

00:42:22.080 I'm offering you the opportunity.

00:42:23.920 If you put on the mantle of the transgender ideology, if you reject who you are, reject 0.99

00:42:29.700 your parents, reject your person, reject your God, reject your body, then you can be one

00:42:35.740 of us.

00:42:36.280 You can be one of the victims.

00:42:37.480 You can be one of the oppressed.

00:42:38.620 And you're no longer the bad guy.

00:42:40.400 We will give you back your self-worth and your identity if you take on an artificial 1.00

00:42:44.880 identity.

00:42:46.020 And it served as this one-two punch to transform young people from just normal kids going to

00:42:52.440 school, operating in society, to these radical revolutionaries.

00:42:56.540 And both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs are of the age that they would have been victims

00:43:00.600 of this one-two punch, not just in public schools, but in society at large. 0.98

00:43:05.700 Young white men are told that they're disgusting because they're white. 0.99

00:43:09.240 They're told that they're evil. 1.00

00:43:10.260 And the only thing they can do is reject their God-given biology and become something else.

00:43:18.300 And what happens when they do this, the only requirement in order to go from being an

00:43:23.200 oppressor to being oppressed is that you reject all objective reality, that you pay fealty

00:43:28.920 instead to the Marxist ideology.

00:43:31.520 And you have to sometimes be willing to give your very life to overthrow the oppressors

00:43:37.920 who now want to genocide you as the oppressed.

00:43:41.340 And what happens is these young people are not just mentally, ideologically brainwashed.

00:43:46.140 They are now willing to physically carry out this ideology.

00:43:49.520 It turns them into essentially kamikazes, these suicide actors, in a sense, for the Marxist 0.91

00:43:57.440 dialectic that underpins the transgender ideology.

00:44:00.120 And of course, that element exists.

00:44:02.660 I know Tyler Robinson wasn't the one who was transitioning.

00:44:05.560 He wasn't on the hormone replacement therapy, but he was engaging in sexual activity with

00:44:09.360 someone who was.

00:44:10.180 So at the very least, intellectually, he was captured by this ideology too, most likely.

00:44:15.160 There's no question.

00:44:16.100 I was just pulling up some other stuff on Leopold and Loeb, by the way, for folks who might not

00:44:19.920 know.

00:44:20.740 The Alfred Hitchcock movie is Rope, by the way.

00:44:23.020 Jimmy Stewart.

00:44:23.780 It's just fantastic.

00:44:24.800 It's a classic.

00:44:25.280 I think most of the film, or possibly all of the film, was done in one shot.

00:44:30.320 Richard Loeb was seen as the dominant one, charismatic, confident, obsessed with crime

00:44:35.540 as an intellectual gang.

00:44:37.600 Leopold, who was the one who obsessed and idolized over Loeb, he was highly intelligent,

00:44:45.720 IQ over 200 by some estimates, but became emotionally dependent on Loeb, deeply infatuated with Loeb,

00:44:52.740 willing to go along with anything that Loeb wanted.

00:44:55.800 And in their relationship, Leopold often deferred to Loeb's wishes, both sexually and in their

00:45:01.220 criminal activities.

00:45:03.120 Liz, I got to say, I'm probably going to be going down the rabbit hole on this for the

00:45:07.180 rest of the evening because the similarities are just so stark.

00:45:11.020 Jack, and they're both 18, and they were 18 and 19 at the time of the crime.

00:45:15.960 Were they?

00:45:16.540 Yep.

00:45:16.900 Yeah, that's pretty wild.

00:45:17.820 I mean, that's pretty wild.

00:45:19.060 I suspect, Jack, that if we, the public, were given access to, you know, the accounts of

00:45:25.160 Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson and said, like, listen, here's their online footprint, here's

00:45:28.520 their computer, here's their phone. 0.77

00:45:29.580 Like, go nuts.

00:45:30.120 Find out what they looked up, what they read, what they wrote, what they watched, what they 0.88

00:45:32.880 did.

00:45:33.600 I suspect you would find trails that would lead you back to stuff like that.

00:45:37.500 Right, and of course, you know, and by the way, like, I want to be very, very clear about

00:45:42.020 this, that I'm just talking about, you know, this previous case, we're theorizing, we're

00:45:46.900 looking at some of these leaks and asking questions.

00:45:49.740 I don't know or have any evidence in any way to say that Lance Twiggs was involved in

00:45:55.560 this.

00:45:56.140 The evidence doesn't seem to show that.

00:45:58.260 The evidence seems to show that in this case, it was not something that they planned

00:46:02.160 together.

00:46:02.640 It seems like it was something that Tyler Robinson, again, based on the evidence that Tyler

00:46:07.480 Robinson did on his own as a form of pleasing to Twiggs, as a form of wanting to receive

00:46:16.180 praise, which would also fit in with being emotionally dependent.

00:46:19.680 So he's wanting that praise.

00:46:21.580 But again, being highly intelligent, right?

00:46:24.220 They mentioned that Tyler Robinson was in an electronics program, excuse me, an engineering

00:46:30.180 program, that he was someone who was highly intelligent, as well as Twiggs himself had been

00:46:35.520 a former gifted student.

00:46:37.020 But they had both sort of dropped out of their respective programs.

00:46:39.860 So you see a lot of the similarities.

00:46:42.080 Only about a minute left.

00:46:43.540 Liz Wheeler, thank you so much for doing the yeoman's work on this, doing the heavy lifting.

00:46:48.020 Where can people go to get everything that you're going to be putting out on this?

00:46:51.980 Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack.

00:46:53.120 You can go to youtube.com slash Liz Wheeler.

00:46:55.160 You can follow me on x at x.com slash Liz underscore Wheeler.

00:46:58.100 And we have video on Spotify now.

00:46:59.480 So if you go to the Spotify app and search The Liz Wheeler Show, we are on there, too.

00:47:02.800 And it's censorship free.

00:47:03.980 So it's a great app if you're not able to catch us live.

00:47:06.260 No, that's absolutely incredible.

00:47:07.420 And I know that a lot of people are going to be listening to this live.

00:47:09.900 And I really do hope that this and that you share it with others, that you get it out

00:47:13.800 there, because we know there's been a lot of questions about this.

00:47:16.680 We have a lot of questions as well for those of us who knew him.

00:47:19.420 And as we start to get answers, we can start to unpack the twisted and demented truth about

00:47:26.880 what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:47:30.420 And his family deserves that.

00:47:32.220 And his kids deserve that.

00:47:33.340 So that's what we're going to do.

00:47:34.740 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 27, 2025

The Twisted World of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs

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