Tyler Robinson has been charged with the murder of Charlie Kirk, but who was the real killer? Was it someone else? Or was it Tyler's ex-boyfriend, Lance Twiggs? And what role did he play in all of this?
00:02:43.080Authorities identified the suspected gunman in Wednesday's fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk
00:02:47.760as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson of Utah.
00:02:50.800Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:02:56.200I wanted to take a little bit of time to do a special deep dive, a deep dive special on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson.
00:03:10.480And there's been a lot of questions about this.
00:03:13.000There's been a lot of theories about this.
00:03:15.040But then one day, a couple of weeks ago, something very interesting happened.
00:03:19.920A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom, who is known for his videos on commentary, his videos on e-drama, his videos on games, put out a very interesting video.
00:03:35.140Now, he had done a video about Tyler Robinson right after he was arrested for Charlie Kirk's murder.
00:03:39.740But then he put out another video, and he said that in response to the first video, someone had reached out to him, someone who was a friend and sometime even roommate of both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, the boyfriend trans lover of Tyler Robinson.
00:04:01.840And so after that person reached out, this leaker, this leaker, this whistleblower reached out, he then began to provide a story, a sordid tale of what really went on between those two, this toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology, the furry subculture, but really deep and deranged behavior.
00:04:31.840Hard drugs, schizophrenia, and an interesting obsession with chat GPT.
00:04:40.720And in fact, even the use of black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy, Troonshine.
00:04:51.100And so when you dig through these leaks, and there are photos, by the way, internal photos of the apartment that only could have been obtained by someone who was actually in there.
00:04:59.660There are messages from the Discord channel that were screenshotted and leaked out that, again, only could have been obtained if someone was actually in there.
00:05:07.860And I'll say this is a reported leaker, but it all rings very, very true.
00:05:13.540And the points of corroboration on these leaks from the photos have been lined up with the home of where Lance and Tyler Robinson lived at the time.
00:05:24.520They've also been corroborated with some of the other online activity.
00:05:28.020Some of the photos and the video games and accounts that were used line up as well.
00:05:34.240And so we'll say we'll take this as a reported leaker, and we'll leave it at that.
00:05:41.440But it does beg some understanding, and I think some scrutiny, of what actually was going on in this nest.
00:05:52.320What was really going on in this relationship?
00:05:56.700Who was the driving force in this relationship?
00:06:00.700Who was the one who had the true mental issues?
00:06:05.860What role did he play, if any, in all of this?
00:06:10.340And how did all of this affect Tyler Robinson?
00:06:14.040And how did it get him to the point where, authorities allege, he climbed the roof of the low-sea building, Utah Valley University, with his grandfather's Mauser, and fired a shot down into an amphitheater, a shot that struck and killed our friend Charlie Kirk.
00:07:24.860The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.
00:07:35.500All right, Jack, we're back live here, Human Events Daily.
00:07:40.820And of course, as we're talking about all of this, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring on someone who's been doing so much yeoman's work on it herself.
00:07:51.000It is my friend Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.
00:07:58.660So just on the story behind the story perspective, how was it that the Turkey Tom leaks first crossed your radar?
00:08:11.840Yeah, this is a very interesting story and one that I'm surprised, I think you probably feel the same way, hasn't gotten more traction than it has.
00:08:21.100I did not see these leaks, this insider, this individual who was friends with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
00:08:29.720He says that he spent six years playing magic cards and video games going over to Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson's apartment.
00:08:37.460He is able to paint a pretty intimate portrait into who Tyler Robinson is, who Lance Twiggs is, what their relationship was like, what their sexual relationship was like,
00:08:47.860what the state of their apartment was like, what the state of their mental health was like, giving us a lot of context into how these individuals or how Tyler Robinson specifically,
00:08:59.340how he was radicalized, how he might have gotten to the point that he would be motivated to commit the crime that he is accused of committing.
00:09:08.440And Jack, to be honest, I didn't see this report until about two or three days after it was published.
00:09:13.980And I think that I was still one of the first to see it, even though it was a couple of days after it had been published.
00:09:19.680Someone sent it to me and said, hey, have you seen this?
00:09:22.340And I looked into it and I looked into verifying these reports because you don't believe everything you see in here on the Internet.
00:09:28.340And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos of inside the apartment, photos of Lance Twiggs is really demented artwork, photos of this nest of just junk and garbage and trash that he created in the living room.
00:09:45.040And then insider accounts of verifiable background details.
00:09:49.880That's I mean, it is the story that you hear with a lot of these things.
00:09:53.040Someone says, hey, what do you think of this?
00:09:54.500And it leads you down this investigative path to, as you said in your intro, I think a lot of answers that we've been looking for.
00:10:02.740And, you know, I think it does also speak, you know, and we could, you know, grouse about it, but how there's sort of like different, you know, there's different silos of information these days.
00:10:12.420And with the decentralization of information, you know, even those of us who work in media, you know, if we're not watching YouTube all the time or watching, you know, different pockets, you know, we may miss something where this, by the time I had seen it, it already had something like 800,000 views.
00:10:28.420But then before I saw your episode and some people, you know, reaching out about it, it hadn't crossed over into conservative media at all or news media because it was sort of in the YouTuber community.
00:10:41.380And I just think it's kind of interesting that it worked that way.
00:10:44.840What did you make of and I've seen some people that have gone in and worked on corroborative efforts to say, OK, you know, they pulled up the, you know, apartment when it had its listing, I think, on Zillow or Redfin.
00:10:58.420And it said that matches some of the pictures that came out, obviously, one very disgusting and sexually charged picture that came out from the bathroom that's featured in the video, as well as some of the video games.
00:11:09.140There's different things in the sketches that match up with what we know about his online history.
00:11:12.680What did you make of the corroboration of it? Because to me, it just it rings very true.
00:11:18.460Yeah, I think it's it's always difficult when you don't have 100 percent of the evidence in front of you. Right.
00:11:25.280I always say in politics and on my show, no matter how much I like someone or trust someone, it doesn't matter.
00:11:31.060It's not personal. It's professional. I don't want to take anybody's word for it.
00:11:34.240I want you to show me your work and show me the evidence.
00:11:36.780And so there's always a part of me when there's a report like this that and I often do this, by the way, I'm fortunate enough now that I've been in this business for such a long time.
00:11:44.700I oftentimes if this is a report by someone that I know, I call them and I say, hey, can you tell me exactly how you verified this?
00:11:52.180And they show me the behind the scenes, how they put this together, even the parts that they haven't reported on.
00:11:55.900And I actually do get to see the evidence so I can have confidence talking about whatever they reported publicly.
00:12:01.740But as you mentioned, there are silos on the Internet.
00:12:04.800The turkey Tom is not a political commentator. He's not in conservative politics.
00:12:08.320He's sort of in this niche, chronically online YouTube bro world that I'm definitely not in as an individual.
00:12:15.780And there wasn't a lot of crossover until a couple of weeks ago, I think, when we reported on it, that it sort of began that crossover into politics.
00:12:22.740So all that being said, I think that the photographs that were provided did a lot for me because that would be pretty easily disproven if those were faked in some way.
00:12:32.020But if you have a photograph inside an apartment that matches the layout of the apartment that Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs resided in, if you also provided a series of text messages and communications to verify your relationship with that person so you can have so that those listening to your account can have confidence that you're not just some random person making up a story.
00:12:52.980That's a pretty good start for substantiating evidence.
00:12:58.260I, of course, wish that this person would go public, would reveal his name and actually just say, like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to tell you and show you this stuff.
00:13:04.640But I also understand in this volatile political environment that, I mean, he might be afraid.
00:13:08.880He might not want to be in the public eye. I don't know him. I don't know why.
00:13:11.540But I would say for not having the evidence in front of my own eyes, this is a pretty good effort to make people feel confident that that there's something to this, that this is that this is authentic.
00:13:24.000Well, and I certainly reminds me of you said that whether or not that this person has come public, I really, really, really stress that I hope this person has been interviewed by the Utah prosecutors and the FBI.
00:13:36.920Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. I don't I don't have any insider information on that.
00:13:39.840I know some of the people that the FBI has been talking to that they've that they've interviewed.
00:13:45.560I don't know if they have interviewed this individual, although I do know that they have been sent this this particular report from Substack.
00:13:53.740Yeah. And that was so by the way, there's just the work ethic behind this to put together the video that he did.
00:14:00.280And by the way, it's it's Turkey Tom. If anyone wants to check it out, I know it's Thanksgiving time, so it's appropriately named.
00:14:07.100So it's Turkey Tom on YouTube. Full credit to him for putting this together.
00:14:11.180And he's got a Substack up as well for anyone who wants to see the full data.
00:14:15.620So you can go through that. You don't even if you like watching videos, you can watch it.
00:14:19.040It's long. It's about 40 minutes, but you can also go and read the Substack.
00:14:22.480And it's just really incredible piece of journalism that I think he put together to say, look, I've got this wild story.
00:14:30.480It seems real to me. I'm going to put the appropriate caveats in front of it.
00:14:34.280I'm going to put out the information and I'm going to leave it out there for you.
00:14:37.220And ultimately, that's what you do when you get a source that comes forward like that.
00:14:40.960Yeah, I think that's right. I think Turkey Tom and I don't know Turkey Tom.
00:14:45.700I'd actually never heard of Turkey Tom until I saw this report.
00:14:47.880And then I looked into him to see, you know, what is his track record?
00:14:51.180Is he is he a person who tells the truth? Is he a person that tells lies?
00:14:54.680I don't like I said, I don't know him personally. I have not even interviewed him professionally,
00:14:57.520although that might be an interesting interview to hear to hear a little more firsthand account of how this this particular report was put together.
00:15:05.620But what I appreciate and we live in this post gatekeeping world, Jack, right?
00:15:10.060We live in this world where we don't want to and this is I'm talking I'm not talking as a political commentator myself.
00:15:15.640I'm talking about as a consumer, as a citizen of the United States.
00:15:18.620We don't want to just rely on somebody else. We don't want to say, oh, that's our trusted news anchor.
00:15:23.020That's our trusted podcaster. We want to be shown the evidence.
00:15:27.680We want to watch the sausage being made.
00:15:29.960We don't want to just believe it because it's a salacious headline or because it might in some way verify the view that we want to hold.
00:15:40.340We want to see the evidence here. Evidence is very important, at least to the audience on my show.
00:15:44.700That's one of the things that I connect the most with with my audience is we just want the proof.
00:15:48.620We just want to see it right in front of our eyes, because once we see something, we're not stupid.
00:15:52.560We know what we're seeing. We don't need gatekeepers being told or telling us what to do.
00:15:57.380But circling back to my original point, Turkey Tom did what I think is really smart and I appreciate, and that is he addressed that at the very beginning.
00:16:05.300He said, I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper. I'm not trying to say, just take my word for it.
00:16:09.080This is an insider account. I'm telling you how I attempted to verify this and what was said to me.
00:16:15.940And there were even times where, as a good journalist would do, you have to redact certain things that provide those details because you don't want to out your source.
00:16:24.860And, you know, taking those steps to protect someone's identity, protect a source's identity, which is something that you do have to do when you're in the game, is, you know, just another step that I think shows that this was done in good faith.
00:16:37.580And, you know, we've got a couple more minutes until the break, but reading through some of it, it just seems to me like an incredibly toxic relationship where it seems that clearly, clearly, Twigs has serious mental issues.
00:16:52.580But then also that Tyler, of his own decision, decided to get involved with this person and go on this, you know, you know, start playing this game along with him.
00:17:07.440Yeah, that's actually probably the biggest question that I think is left unanswered by this report is what that moment was for Tyler, that motivating moment.
00:17:18.320If he was raised as a typical Utah blue-collar guy, as this friend says he was, and we know that Tyler Robinson's parents were Republicans, what was it that caused him to even move in with Lance Twigs?
00:17:30.740What was it that caused him to be susceptible to Lance Twigs' sexual advances?
00:17:35.500What was it that caused him to change his political views if he shared political views with his parents, which I suppose we don't know for a fact, but it's likely that at some point he did.
00:17:44.900That's typically how it works when your parents hold political views.
00:17:49.100If they changed and they seemed to change, what changed them?
00:17:53.480And the picture painted by this report from the friend, this insider who spent a lot of time at Lance Twigs' and Tyler Robinson's apartment,
00:18:01.400I mean, it seems like a really sordid, demented, perverted tale of sexual fetishes and drugs.
00:18:09.140It seems like, yes, there is obvious mental illness at play with Lance Twigs, the depth of which is illustrated in some of these demented drawings and his really weird behaviors.
00:18:19.520And I don't know what the state of Tyler Robinson's mental health was, but once you become involved in demented, perverted sexual activity, once you become dependent on drugs,
00:18:31.560especially if you have not done drugs before, especially if you haven't engaged in this type of sexual behavior, that's going to cause a mental spiral regardless of the baseline state of your mental health.
00:19:45.800And one thing I want to add that we were talking about in the prior segment when we were talking about whether this leaker is authentic and how to know whether a leaker like this is authentic or not.
00:19:55.420One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote, and I just pulled this up over the break.
00:19:58.540One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote at the beginning of his Substack report was a list of things that this leaker provided him to substantiate the story.
00:20:08.620And the number one thing that he listed is photos verifying their connection.
00:20:12.820And we don't know all of the photos verifying their connection, but I have to imagine it includes things like photos of the leaker with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, maybe of text message conversations or phone numbers.
00:20:24.460Something that I would encourage Turkey Tom to let us know about, if you possibly can, without revealing the identity of this person.
00:20:32.440But as for the content of what goes on here, I think, Jack, it's really important to start with their apartment, to start with the state of their apartment.
00:20:39.240This friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs describes, and he provides photos of this too, provides a description of what he says is Lance Twigs' nest.
00:20:50.100So it starts with a table full of wires, all twisted together in this jumbled heap, no discernible order, wires and junk and trinkets from online stores, notes and artwork written in pen in this really vigorous, aggressive way.
00:21:09.520And this friend says, this is what Lance Twigs described as his nest.
00:21:15.280And during periods of the time when Lance Twigs would be more stable, the nest would be smaller, be a little more organized.
00:21:21.480But as Lance Twigs would enter into a spiral, this nest would expand from just covering the table to covering the counter to covering the couch, the entire living room.
00:21:32.160And if anybody visiting the apartment, and it actually sounded like they had guests quite frequently at the apartment, if anybody touched any of these things, Lance Twigs would go nuts.
00:21:42.000He would start screaming his head off at people, not to touch even a single piece of his trash.
00:21:47.340He also conducted what this friend describes as mold experiments in glass jars and old pieces of trash.
00:21:54.460You would grow mold around the apartment and in the sink.
00:21:57.460And during periods of stability, the number of mold experiments would shrink to just one or two.
00:22:03.220And during periods of spiral, these mold experiments would overtake the apartment.
00:22:07.780I mean, this in of itself is like, you know, it's like hoarder on steroids.
00:22:12.140This in and of itself is a mental problem.
00:22:14.000Then you add into it their propensity, and I say they because it's both Tyler and Lance, it appears, their propensity for sexual fetishes, this furry sexual fetish that they both seemed to be participants of.
00:22:29.080A furry sexual fetish for those uninitiated, and you're lucky if you're uninitiated.
00:22:33.480It's a fetish where grown men dress up like animals in order to have perverted sex with each other.
00:22:39.180And there's typically an element of, I don't know if this is a good way to describe it, Jack, but I've been calling it intellectual pedophilia because there's role play of like one adult animal having sex with a cub or someone that's supposed to be role playing a young animal, which is just the most demented, evil, satanic thing you can think of.
00:22:57.480And this insider talks about the sexual relationship and even how it began, Jack, which is extremely troubling.
00:23:04.980Actually, Liz, because I've been sort of paralleling your journey into this subculture, I recently learned that the slang term that is used in the furry community for what you're describing is called puppy play or pup play.
00:23:22.180And so one of them will take on the guise of a child or a pup or kit or sometimes kitten and act like a child.
00:23:32.500And we already know, by the way, because it's been linked in reporting that Tyler Robinson was looking at furry porn, which included what they call cub porn, which is so children, basically anthropomorphic children, furry children being involved in sexual activity,
00:24:02.060I am sorry to scandalize people listening to it.
00:24:05.100But the the reason that it's relevant to this story is because this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes how he believes the sexual relationship between Lance and Tyler began.
00:24:15.640He said Lance Twiggs was known to drink alcohol in excess amounts.
00:24:19.860And when he would drink alcohol in excess amounts, he became very cuddly.
00:24:23.360This friend said he encountered Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson cuddling on the couch multiple times after Lance Twiggs had imbibed over imbibed.
00:24:33.420And he speculated, he's like, at first, I thought nothing of it.
00:24:37.680He's like, but then as it became clear that Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson were engaging in sexual activity together, he said, I speculated that maybe one of those times that they were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twiggs had been drinking, somebody crossed a line.
00:24:50.720Maybe Lance Twiggs had sexually groomed Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him.
00:24:55.200Again, the reason that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of basic morality.
00:25:01.420When you engage in immoral acts, it twists your moral compass into allowing yourself to be convinced that wrong is right and right is wrong, which clearly applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made when he he's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk.
00:25:18.620The other part of this, Jack, the other part of the sexual relationship that's relevant is during these times of Lance Twiggs' spirals, as described by this friend, where he would go two or three days without sleeping.
00:25:30.340He'd talk to chat GPT in on it like you can't even it's it's not you can't read it.
00:25:49.860You have to wonder then what this what this dynamic between these two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance Twiggs also would, even when they had people over in their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times when he was barely able to communicate with the guests in his apartment.
00:27:51.140The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
00:28:02.500All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live here.
00:28:06.340We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic relationship.
00:28:15.340And Liz, we were just chatting during the break, but it wasn't just alcohol.
00:28:20.680It wasn't just the the leftism which has come out in so much of these leaks, the the hatred of Charlie Kirk, the and all conservatives, really.
00:28:30.180But also the, you know, the rampant use of we talk about alcohol, but also drugs and something called black market H.R.T.
00:28:39.620Yeah, and this might be one another one of the underreported aspects that's truly critical to this story.
00:28:48.460This insider, this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes Lance Twiggs as not just drinking too much alcohol, but as a frequent user.
00:28:57.820I think he said he vaped THC, that he used shrooms.
00:29:04.400He describes him as a heavy drug user.
00:29:07.040In addition to the fact that Lance Twiggs, obviously born a biological male, was at some point in the transition, quote unquote, to a female, meaning that he was identifying.
00:29:19.120It seemed maybe when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female, but that that identity or that transition included using hormone replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor that he had gotten just from a local drug dealer.
00:29:33.920I suppose that's how you get drugs on the black market, meaning we don't know the dosage.
00:29:55.620And the way this friend describes Lance Twiggs' life, it seemed like this drug use was not just frequent.
00:30:02.840It was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in Lance Twiggs, periods of time when he was going days and days without sleeping,
00:30:10.660when he was obsessively talking and gibberish to chat GPT, when he was having tantrums in his own room, when he was screaming at people for touching his trash piles in his nest.
00:30:24.560And what's interesting, too, is that when you look at, and I'm just going to say it, there was another piece there where the friend, the leaker,
00:30:34.720mentions that he believes that Tyler Robinson was, shall we say, sexually inexperienced, that he was a virgin when he moved in with Lance Twiggs.
00:30:46.440And I realized while looking at some of this stuff and reading through that it actually sounds like this was incel behavior from Tyler Robinson's case,
00:30:59.120So we certainly have heard so much of that and so many times where these downwardly immobile white males have, you know, kind of been in this incel community.
00:31:08.080But here's one, yet again, who is responding in an enraged fashion, incel rage, which is certainly something that's been studied.
00:31:16.580But in a way, it's almost like, and this is just my opinion, I'm not saying this is in the evidence,
00:31:22.040but it's almost like he was searching for a way to lose that virginity.
00:31:26.560He was searching in a way to be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors, the drugs, the perverted sexual activity,
00:31:37.240the furry behavior, the furry porn, the cub porn.
00:31:41.720All of this is a sort of way to dive in after having been, you know, considered himself an incel prior to this.
00:31:49.420And, you know, then just kind of overdoses on these internet subcultures, completely snaps.
00:31:56.220And in a way, you know, people are saying, well, did he do this as an act of romance or an act of love with Twigs?
00:32:02.760And I think he was doing it looking for some kind of validation, right?
00:32:06.560And that's just my opinion, but almost looking for, you know, like an act of praise.