00:02:37.560Judge Gregory Carroll ruling just a few moments ago, issuing his written ruling,
00:02:42.680that some of the items that police found in Mangione's backpack will be suppressed.
00:02:48.180In other words, the jury, when the state trial starts expected in September, will not learn about some of those items that apparently does that, though, include the gun.
00:03:00.340Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:05:01.480And when you look at the twisting that goes around the the the play of games, the way that, oh, well, you know, he made that statement to police before he was mirandized, even though he wasn't in custody because the police had him surrounded.
00:05:15.160So you can't use this statement and you can't use that statement improper warrant.
00:05:19.940They called it unconstitutional because the police searched his backpack inside a McDonald's to make sure he didn't have weapons or anything threatening in there.
00:05:29.900And, Bo, by the way, he did have a weapon in there.
00:05:33.420He had a gun in the backpack, the same gun that he used to kill Brian Thompson.
00:05:53.900You got the New York Times up there with with Hayson Piker talking about, oh, well, he committed social murder because he ran a company and the company had done wrong and all the right.
00:10:13.120This is the same judge that's now blocking, partially blocking some of the search because he's claiming that, oh, the search was in the McDonald's, but it wasn't in the police station.
00:10:22.840So the search in the McDonald's is illegal, but not the police station.
00:10:25.560I mean, it will Chamberlain walk us through some of this, because I'm looking at this.
00:10:30.760I'm trying to look at this. Not from the perspective of statutory authority.
00:10:35.320I'm looking at it from the perspective of is justice being done right for the nation right now?
00:10:41.360And it seems to me that this judge is doing everything he can to help Luigi in this trial.
00:10:47.740Yeah, I think, you know, I'm learning a little bit about New York's criminal procedure law because, you know,
00:10:52.140i went to law school i took federal criminal procedure so i'm more familiar with that and
00:10:55.580intuitively it seemed weird that this evidence was getting suppressed because and just so the
00:10:59.340audience understands is that there are two levels of trials going on right now there is a state
00:11:05.020trial and a federal trial and there is a state trial for not the same but similar charges and
00:11:11.600the key thing to understand is that the this very evidence was admitted in in the federal trial and
00:11:16.100an order, an opinion back in January. The federal judge heard the same arguments, but applied federal
00:11:22.800law and decided that it was actually very straightforward that all this evidence would
00:11:26.580come in. First, the federal judge thought that exigent circumstances did exist, that it was
00:11:32.040perfectly reasonable for, given the political nature of Mr. Mangione's shooting, that these
00:11:37.420cops would search through the backpack to try and see if it had a bomb in it. You never know what
00:11:40.780this guy might do. I actually think that's the obvious and most reasonable situation here. And
00:11:45.940And that I think that that's I think the weakest part of the judge's opinion.
00:11:50.360I wasn't able to get to that point yet, but that's exactly what I said to producer Fahs on the phone earlier today was to say, yes, so there's exigent circumstances.
00:12:00.240So just to walk people through the argument. Right. So the the lawyer said, well, you know, it couldn't have posed a threat because the the backpack was already in the possession of law enforcement.
00:12:12.740If it was in the possession of law enforcement, then it was not, and I believe the word was grabbable, then if it was not grabbable, then it could not have been a threat.
00:12:21.460And the first thing that occurred to me that, you know, I'm sure I could think of other things, but the first thing that occurred to me when I was talking to producer Foss was, well, what if he had a bomb?
00:12:30.840Like bombs are designed to go off without you touching them typically.
00:12:35.040Yeah, and so if the federal judge thought that argument was perfectly sound, I think the state judge said something along the lines of, well, if you thought it was a bomb, why didn't you call the bomb squad?
00:12:42.520And why did you open it in a crowded McDonald's, which could have hurt everybody in the in the room?
00:12:47.760So maybe he thought it was good textual.
00:12:50.120But so that's that's just but understand that's just one way in which the federal judge came to this.
00:12:55.420The other thing that federal law has that apparently New York state has a much more cabined version of is something called the inevitable discovery doctrine.
00:13:02.880So the basic idea here is it's not obvious that just because a piece of evidence is unlawfully obtained, like obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment, that it should automatically be excluded from the trial for the obvious reason that it can lead to injustice when a criminal is allowed to get off.
00:13:21.000And so there are exceptions to that rule that are very sensible. One of them is that if the items that the defendant is seeking to have suppressed would have been discovered inevitably by police through their normal lawful procedures, then those pieces of evidence are still admissible, even if the policeman at the scene made a mistake and searched something he shouldn't have searched.
00:13:42.180And in this case, all this backpack that was in Mangione's possession would have been searched legally no matter what when it was taken to the police station in the form of an inventory search, right? The police don't just take a closed backpack and don't look at what's inside it and throw it on the shelves.
00:13:58.540They do an inventory of everything in a backpack that you obtain because the person you've arrested has it on their person.
00:14:07.120So it's all this would have been found.
00:14:10.240And so, you know, the federal judge looked at this and is like, we're not going to let like this random mistake from a local police officer, you know, mean that this evidence doesn't come in.
00:14:18.880Because obviously, like this evidence would have been found no matter what, like given under the circumstances.
00:14:24.500The guy was arrested with this backpack on him.
00:14:26.460there's no need to play ticky tacky games and exclude evidence that clearly should be allowed
00:14:31.960into this trial. Well, and that's, that's, I think the way that I look at it. And, and for
00:14:37.660example, I don't know, I know I'm asking you to jump to another piece, but this is the same judge
00:14:42.400who, or perhaps you recall when it happened, who took away the death penalty component when he
00:14:48.340removed the terrorism charge in very high profile fashion a while back in the same case. And his
00:14:55.480reasoning for doing so was that the statute in the New York anti-terrorism law required
00:15:01.460proof of intent to intimidate a civilian population or government entity. And this same judge ruled
00:15:09.300that, oh, well, even if he did mean to intimidate the health care industry, that's not the population
00:15:15.420at large or a government entity. Therefore, it can't be terrorism. And I'm like, you're kidding
00:15:21.760me. Yeah, that seems very cramped off the top of my head. And that actually seems like, again,
00:15:28.180we have another very cramped understanding of exigent circumstances from the judge today. So
00:15:32.880I don't want to get too far afield of my own knowledge, right? I'm not a New York lawyer,
00:15:37.100so I'm not super familiar with the case law and the specifics of how these doctrines are applied
00:15:43.500in New York. So it really could be, from my perspective, just New York law is a mess and
00:15:48.900the judge is doing the best he can apply New York law. It could also be New York law is fine or New
00:15:53.900York law is perfectly reasonable. And it's this judge who is taking an unnecessarily cramped view
00:15:58.380of the law. Well, and for obvious reasons, New York state has pretty robust terrorism laws on
00:16:06.640the books because of the amount of terrorism that goes on in the state of New York, unfortunately,
00:16:11.780because they have found themselves the brunt of multiple Islamic terror attacks, World Trade
00:16:18.100center there that that isis cell that tried to bomb gracie mansion uh just a couple of months
00:16:23.800ago that came out of pennsylvania and uh again and again this keeps happening so i think in the
00:16:29.180wake of 9-11 you know they wrote it in such a way that okay you know and sure you obviously right
00:16:34.540you need to find that line between what is terrorism and what is a a crime uh but but
00:16:40.860clearly to me it you know just just looking at the way it is he's got a manifesto that's against
00:16:46.140the health care industry he's clearly attempting to coerce the health care industry so just by the
00:16:52.660basic uh what i wouldn't understand as an intelligence officer definition of terrorism
00:16:58.020a you know an act of violence uh with a intended political outcome that is terrorism yeah and i
00:17:04.920mean they're they're you know the the ruling isn't all bad in the sense that there was a notebook in
00:17:09.160the ruling in the backpack that was found that's admitted in the state court case and the reason
00:17:13.120To be clear to the audience, yes, that the and that was my first when, you know, when I first saw the headlines start coming in from the ruling, I said, don't don't tell me that they, you know, that they excluded the manifesto because that would just that would just be crazy.
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00:21:03.880He's walking us through, you know, some of the rulings in this case and Maggioni.
00:21:09.960And well, you know, as as we see, for those of us who are looking for justice on just what is obvious, a street thug political assassin.
00:21:21.660And, you know, there's so much frustration in a lot of these rulings and the fact that these cases, again, death penalty has been stripped in both the federal and the state case already, which, you know, is clearly a huge win for the defense.
00:21:35.460No question. And, you know, now we see evidence is being thrown out or suppressed because of these, you know, these these these very tight rulings on on the statutes.
00:21:48.260I think this is where it comes in, that for those of us that are worried about the state of the political situation in America, who see assassination culture on the rise among the left, and I believe that there were supporters of Maggioni even outside the court today, talking about free Maggioni.
00:22:08.520And you see this movement with bumper stickers and celebrities, people like comedian Bill or, you know, alleged comedian Bill Burr going up and saying that Maggioni should be freed.
00:22:20.060And people like Hassan Piker being platformed by The New York Times saying that Brian Thompson was guilty of what's what he called social murder because he worked for a health care firm that had, you know, had bad adverse rulings on certain patients and they weren't covering certain things so that we should, you know, just condone.
00:22:41.240And because, you know, because we won't reform in one situation, we should just condone abject street murder, apparently, of white Christian men who have wives and two sons.
00:22:51.960So, Will, this is the point where I look at these things and I say, I'm starting to get concerns about the juries in these cases.
00:23:02.200Yeah, I think that's a reasonable fear.
00:23:04.000I think that, you know, especially a hung jury.
00:23:05.820I would be surprised if he ever got an actual acquittal in any of these cases.
00:23:08.660I think the evidence, even even absent, as we discussed, even absent the evidence that was suppressed, I think the other evidence is going to be overwhelming as to Luigi's guilt.
00:23:17.420But you may have I mean, you basically may have to worry about jury nullification for one from one or more jurors who refuse to convict, because apparently that there's a reasonably large and growing section of our population that thinks street murder is acceptable if it's done at the right targets.
00:23:34.000I think it's appalling. And, you know, it really is. But for the First Amendment, I would favor very serious, very serious consequences for the people going around talking about how Luigi Mangione should be acquitted.
00:23:48.100It's it's I mean, it's it's it's it's more than just saying he should be acquitted. It's it's saying that he should be acquitted while conceding that he did what he did.
00:23:59.580It's not like, oh, we should get him off because it wasn't him or there were some other context or circumstances that you're missing.
00:28:24.300Just from the title of your book, it's amazing to me because the therapy industry has been
00:28:31.040sacrosanct for so many years and you know it you know it's almost like you you can't how dare you
00:28:37.920you know possibly call this out and you've got this book coming out saying that you know you're
00:28:43.100coming at it from the completely opposite perspective that hey actually maybe this thing is
00:28:46.980is hurting more than it's helping because we've got more of it than ever more people are in therapy
00:28:51.820than ever more people are taking uh ssris and other things than than ever and yet we seem to
00:28:56.740be more anxious and having more mental issues socially than ever. Yeah, isn't that interesting?
00:29:01.780We have more access to mental health care, but rates of anxiety and depression are higher than
00:29:07.140ever. And you have to go back to 2012, when I wrote an op ed piece for the New York Times. And
00:29:12.720that's when I first warned about this, what is now a trend in my profession, where therapists
00:29:18.440are just sitting there, validating their patients, affirming them, not really challenging them.
00:29:24.540and they've created this almost like affirmation or validation culture where I think is really
00:29:30.480contributing to making people sicker and weaker and ultimately dividing this country. We have
00:29:36.060therapeutic terms that have become weaponized. I mean, we've all heard people described as toxic
00:29:41.460or borderline or bipolar, narcissist. I mean, you name it, it's everywhere. And I would argue that
00:29:47.680that really starts in my profession and I'm calling out my colleagues. It's about time we
00:29:52.900stop doing that and get back to actually treating people the way they should be treated patients.
00:29:59.580So when you say validation culture, I have a suspicion what you mean by that,
00:30:04.480but unpack that for us a little bit. Sure. So if you're a therapist and someone comes in and they
00:30:11.540say, well, you know, I think I am a boy, but that person's a girl, you might challenge them and ask
00:30:17.860them, well, why do you feel that way? How long have you felt like this? Especially with a little
00:30:22.920kid. But instead, we have a lot of therapists who will just validate and affirm that. Well,
00:30:28.340okay, that's fine. You're entitled to feel that way, blah, blah, blah. And we've all seen where
00:30:33.220that goes, and it doesn't necessarily lead to the healthiest place for that type of patient.
00:30:39.020But it also extends into other areas. We have therapists who will blame everyone but their
00:30:45.980patient. So let's say a patient goes in and talks about their boyfriend that's a jerk or their
00:30:51.180boss that's maybe demanding. So suddenly that boss or that workplace becomes a toxic
00:30:56.640work environment or that boyfriend becomes a narcissist, like never challenging the patient,
00:31:04.400you know, asking them, well, what role might you play in this relationship issue or situation that
00:31:10.920you have at work so wait wait wait wait are you are you referring to something called personal
00:31:17.620responsibility i think that's what it's called i think we're all taught that as kids we used to
00:31:23.500talk about that thing and you know as a as as a conservative that's that's you know pretty much
00:31:28.380our entire ideology is basically like personal responsibility plays a huge role in that we
00:31:32.940should actually hold people to standards and all of this as opposed to this well you know society
00:31:37.280made me do it and I had a childhood and et cetera. And I'm not saying that, that those don't exist,
00:31:42.460but I am also saying that I, I, I personally believe that the, and I is what I teach to my
00:31:47.380boys is that personal responsibility is real and that we do all have the ability to respond
00:31:54.680to our childhoods and our, our society and the situations that we find ourselves in and the
00:32:00.220things that happen to us. And we're not simply subject to them. Oh, absolutely. We have control
00:32:05.960over our actions, whether those are positive or negative actions. And, you know, you're just
00:32:11.220talking about Luigi Mangione, and he's the ultimate or the epitome of grievance culture, where,
00:32:17.920you know, he disagreed with UnitedHealthcare, so he felt it was his right, his duty to take out
00:32:24.820the CEO. We see it in smaller ways. We see cities, major liberal-leaning cities, where it's okay to
00:32:32.940steal up to $800 worth of product. I remember the first time I witnessed that at Duane Reade,
00:32:39.020I couldn't believe my eyes. I saw someone fill up a bag of about 15 shampoos and I mentioned it to
00:32:45.460the cashier and she's like, there's nothing we can do. But we have people like AOC and Cynthia
00:32:53.920Nixon who are saying, well, you know, these people must be in need and that's why they do it. No,
00:32:59.400they're not in need and they shouldn't be doing this and i don't know about you jack but i was
00:33:05.200raised like shoplifting is bad and you shouldn't do that i'm sure you're raising your boys in the
00:33:10.480same way but instead oh i even i mean i i go like if i see one of them and if they have something
00:33:18.280and if and if it goes but if it's a toy or whatever it goes anywhere near their pocket i'm
00:33:22.020like get that away from your pocket right now that's no we don't do that you know or but i
00:33:26.760can even remember you know uh growing up i worked at this bakery deli in the philly area and you
00:33:32.920know i would be one of the guys and you know all of us kind of we would someone comes in and you
00:33:37.960can kind of see them they're like their hands are in their pockets they're looking a little shifty
00:33:41.100around the whatever it is and you can you could sort of spot someone before they before they try
00:33:46.460to pocket something you can always sort of see the behavior and you know there were a couple times
00:33:51.040where i did confront people like hey let me look in that bag you know and you and you get it back
00:33:55.240But these days, to your point, you know, we don't even allow for that anymore.
00:34:01.560And and you're right that it's it's not just something that, you know, it's not just about, you know, oh, hey, you know, this guy took a, you know, a ten dollar, you know, a ten dollar item off the table.
00:34:12.980It's about what that does to a society.
00:34:16.280Right. So whether it's a ten dollar item, a twenty dollar item or even a dollar pack of gum, like you shouldn't be stealing.
00:34:24.840And I had patients who had justified and rationalized what we're seeing right there in the video.
00:34:37.580We saw that after the BLM riots a couple of years ago where, you know, people justified smashing storefronts and shoplifting.
00:34:49.400They didn't recognize that this actually does harm people.
00:34:53.260And it's reflected in the price of goods and services. If you continue to shoplift and steal, it affects the consumer. But their brains don't work that way. They can't understand that logic. They're so motivated just to get back at the big guy or corporate America.
00:35:11.340their hatred for these are, it's just so strong. And, you know, with Luigi Mangione, I mean,
00:35:17.700he's become a folk hero. We have here in New York City, we have a musical that's opening in a few
00:35:23.400weeks, just about a mile from where he allegedly gunned down the United Healthcare CEO. So that
00:35:30.800speaks a lot to how sick our culture has become, where we're celebrating cold-blooded murderers.
00:35:38.320So whether it's Luigi or any of these people who have tried to take out President Trump, our priorities are so off.
00:35:47.220And I would argue that, you know, with the people who have attempted to kill Donald Trump, they're listening to voices and they're listening to the voices of mainstream media.
00:35:58.460We have people who are saying Trump is evil. He's Hitler. He's going to ruin democracy.
00:36:04.460So if you hear enough of that, and if that if that gets into the head of a deranged person, they're going to take action. And that's really concerning to me, and it should be concerning to anyone.
00:36:16.140yeah no i i um i we actually recently saw the uh uh performance of the the sondheim musical
00:36:25.260assassins which um you know kind of gets into the uh psychology a little bit of various
00:36:31.680presidential assassins and you know you you find these people who are you know they're they're
00:36:36.680either life losers and and you know one one field typically their love life um but also
00:36:42.220sometimes professional life where they have these delusions of grandeur and, you know,
00:36:46.260going all the way back to, I mean, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald and, excuse me, John Wilkes Booth.
00:36:56.140I mean, John Wilkes Booth from Lincoln and, you know, he was a Southerner, but of course,
00:37:01.080you know, the war had ended, but he wanted to get back at Lincoln. And then even Charles Guiteau
00:37:06.000getting into Leon Cholgosh, who was trying to, you know, show how great he was, who I've written
00:37:11.820about, by the way, who's trying to impress Emma Goldman and others and, you know, have these
00:37:16.480these grievances against the system. And so they think, well, how can it obviously talks about
00:37:22.340the attempted presidential assassins as well? And it's always this sort of, well, the system has
00:37:27.500done me wrong. So I've got to get back at the largest and most prominent member of the system
00:37:34.020and the largest and most prominent symbol of the system is, of course, the president of the United
00:37:39.220States. This is a fascinating book, a fascinating psychology. I want to do one more segment with
00:37:44.260you. Can you hang on for one more? Sure. All right. Our guest is Jonathan Alpert. The book
00:37:49.200comes out tomorrow, so you guys can get. He was gracious enough to send us an early copy. It's
00:37:55.940called Therapy Nation, and he's walking through how all the craziness that we're seeing out there
00:38:02.460today actually has a diagnosis, and it might be coming from a couch near you. Be right back,
00:38:08.040human events daily call this the jack basobic appreciation hour i can say confidently i believe
00:38:13.040i think josh shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for jack basobic and that
00:38:19.340all right jack basobic we're back on with jonathan alpert and uh he's got the new book
00:38:29.960therapy nation which comes out tomorrow it's going to be on amazon but you can also go to
00:38:34.120just jonathanalpert.com to check it out. I want to read some of the key themes of here because
00:38:38.680it's phenomenal. It says the therapeutic takeover of language, how words like trauma, boundaries,
00:38:46.000toxic and self-care, right? These words are everywhere now. They've left the therapist's
00:38:51.560office and entered boardrooms, classrooms and political campaigns. Grievance as psychology,
00:38:56.420which we just talked about. Identity as diagnosis, right? We have to confirm and validate your
00:39:03.160identity and just the limits the basic limits of of the therapeutic jonathan i want to ask you a
00:39:09.220question do you think that in today's society that we've sort of inverted uh basic mental health
00:39:18.840and basic uh therapy issues to the point where where people are almost thinking that they get
00:39:25.080some sort of social hierarchy score by having mental health issues and so they're actually
00:39:32.480trying to claim they have more mental health issues, because it gives them something that
00:39:37.300they get to claim victimization from. Yeah, absolutely, Jack. I mean, we have people who
00:39:42.820it's almost like their badge of honor. Yes. You know, we need to get back to a time where
00:39:48.400we're not striving to be mentally ill. We're not striving to brag about how depressed or how busy
00:39:54.700we are that we have ADHD. Like we should really be looking at people who are healthy and trying
00:40:01.200to be more like them. Unfortunately, we have therapists who are throwing out these diagnoses
00:40:07.060when they really shouldn't be. It's really difficult to be diagnosed with ADHD. There are
00:40:13.180a lot of things that need to meet criteria. Just because you're late for a meeting or maybe you
00:40:19.260forget things a few times, that doesn't mean you have ADHD. And in a similar way, just because
00:40:25.100you're feeling lousy for a day or two or even a week, that doesn't mean that you're depressed.
00:40:30.340And then you can even extend that to relationships. You know, just because your boyfriend is acting like a jerk or he's not a good listener, that doesn't mean he's a narcissist.
00:40:41.760Narcissism is a very profound personality disorder, and the term should not be thrown
00:41:06.960You know, we've all heard people say, well, my therapist says this. Those might be the most obnoxious words ever uttered and annoying words. But, you know, it's about time people start to question their therapist and not just accept what they say.
00:41:22.980And part of the problem is people are becoming dependent on their therapist, and they're
00:41:28.340treating their therapist more like a friend.
00:41:31.100And therapists are very quick to create this relationship.
00:41:34.860I've heard stories from patients who are new to see me, and they talk about when they
00:41:40.120tried to leave their prior therapist, the therapist would say, well, you can't leave
00:41:45.240me, you need to keep working, you're going to fall apart, you're going to get depressed
00:42:18.380Whereas if you cure someone or give them a way to actually cope with the disorder or give them a better way to deal with what they're facing, well, then you've just lost a customer.
00:42:34.420But honestly, if you're a good therapist and you help someone get over their anxiety or depression in a few months, they're probably going to tell their friends and colleagues about you, and you'll gain more business.
00:42:46.220I've always modeled my practice in just that way.
00:42:49.580I use cognitive behavioral therapy, which looks at how people think, the behaviors that
00:42:55.140come from that, and really working on getting them to think differently and behave differently.
00:43:02.200And I want people to graduate from seeing me.
00:43:05.040I don't want them to feel like they need to see me forever.
00:43:09.700You know, I've always used the model, of course, of what about Bob with, you know,
00:43:15.180richard dreyfuss and and bill murray so that's that's that's really my background in the in the
00:43:19.700field yeah a little tough love doesn't hurt does it no no no no but i mean that's again that that's
00:43:27.120also about trying to help someone get over what they uh you know what they're facing and and the
00:43:31.180issue you're right is that you find also that the issue of it spilling out is that we're we're so
00:43:39.300quick to classify anything as mental health and we need self-care days and we need this we need
00:43:47.140look everyone can take time off right and have you know relax you have a mental health problem
00:43:52.100it just means you're to me maybe you're working too hard you want to need to take time off that's
00:43:55.800normal that's just normal you know everyday life but these the problem i think is to your point
00:44:02.360We're trying to almost adopt a victimhood mentality when that's actually bad for everyone.
00:44:12.140Yeah, I mean, that's not how you create a healthy and resilient society.
00:44:17.120That's how you create a divided and fragile society.
00:44:21.360You know, if every issue you might have is a pathology or disorder, that's problematic.
00:44:27.040Part of how we grow and build character is by falling on our face and getting up and learning how to do things better.
00:44:35.520I'm sure that's how you raise your kids, but all too often we have therapists that are just validating and affirming their patients, blaming everyone else for their problems.
00:44:47.200We have universities that are doing the same thing.
00:44:49.800Georgetown University. After the election of Trump, they held an emergency mental health day
00:44:57.460where they were, I think, granting students some arts and crafts program or a day off from class
00:45:03.820so they could cope with that. And I do wonder if Kamala Harris had won, would they have extended
00:45:10.360that same service? Probably not. No, probably not at all. And again, I love the fact that there
00:45:18.840are people now calling out this idea of validation and, you know, identity as diagnosis that,
00:45:26.800you know, identity obviously is a complex issue, but at the same time, you can't identify with
00:45:33.760something that is a mental issue. You're correct. And just to extend this out a bit, I've had,
00:45:40.600and I talk about this in my book, I tell the story of a black gentleman who came to see me,
00:45:48.000And he just he needed help with with stress, some workplace issues. He had a very high powered job. And his previous therapist made everything about him being black. She said, well, you must have issues being a black man in this work environment. He really didn't. He had issues that were just because he was a busy person with a demanding job and he needed some help dealing with that.
00:46:12.940And another story that I tell in the book is a gay man, very similar situation, was having some stress and anxiety at work and other areas of his life.
00:46:24.480And the therapist said, well, as a gay man, you must feel blah, blah, blah.
00:46:30.020You must be having these issues as a gay man in America today.