Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 101 — The New York City Communist Debate？ MAGA vs. Mamdani？ Medal of Freedom Reactions

00:00:00.720 From the age of Big Brother.

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00:00:22.600 Hey everybody, we got Jack Posobiec and Andrew Colvin.

00:00:26.560 And we are here live in studio for once for Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:31.560 What's up, Andrew?

00:00:32.660 Not much. Actually, a lot.

00:00:34.680 A lot. A little bit.

00:00:35.640 But I feel like that's what you say.

00:00:37.140 It is what you say.

00:00:37.700 But I actually love Thought Crime because now that I have to sort of play driver for the Charlie Kirk show,

00:00:44.700 it's nice because you do this.

00:00:46.720 Because I have to do it. Yeah, exactly.

00:00:48.480 You drive.

00:00:48.920 Well, tonight there's going to be a ton of Thought Crimes

00:00:51.440 because what we're going to be doing tonight is the Mondani debate is coming up.

00:00:57.620 And we all know how much Charlie was a huge fan of Mondaminomics and Mondamism.

00:01:05.800 And he just was so enthralled with the idea that this race communist, cultural Marxist,

00:01:13.800 was about to take over the city of New York.

00:01:16.960 And obviously we're joking.

00:01:18.480 But, you know, tonight is the big debate.

00:01:20.800 And we've got a three-way debate.

00:01:23.080 So what we're going to do, you know, Andrew's got a flight.

00:01:25.800 So we wanted to come on a little bit, have a chat with him, preview the debate.

00:01:30.700 Then at some point he's going to bounce.

00:01:32.580 We're going to stream the debate.

00:01:33.780 So don't turn off this stream.

00:01:36.180 We will carry the debate in full.

00:01:38.200 And, yes, I will make sure that Blake does not come on and interrupt.

00:01:42.140 Unfortunately, we actually don't have Blake because Blake is on assignment.

00:01:45.860 Well, hold on.

00:01:46.400 Actually, Blake's assignment is pretty cool.

00:01:48.200 He has a family member taking the vows.

00:01:51.800 She's going to become a nun. 1.00

00:01:52.800 She's going to become a nun. 1.00

00:01:53.600 Which is, like, so cool.

00:01:55.320 And Blake, so this was, like, Blake months ago was like,

00:01:57.480 hey, you know, I got to go to Italy for, you know, family members taking the vows.

00:02:02.320 And I was like.

00:02:02.780 Okay, so we're just full doxing him.

00:02:04.000 All right.

00:02:04.120 I was like, just go for it, bro.

00:02:06.540 Just go for it.

00:02:07.160 Just go.

00:02:07.600 And then everything happened.

00:02:08.980 And he was like.

00:02:09.880 And this was all, you know, pre-scheduled.

00:02:11.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:11.860 I still want to go.

00:02:12.820 And I was like, I still want you to go.

00:02:14.360 So please go.

00:02:15.320 And then, you know.

00:02:16.100 So there's a chance that Blake might be joining a nunnery.

00:02:18.740 We're not entirely sure.

00:02:20.340 Yeah, because this audience has completely failed to get him married up.

00:02:24.280 So we're going to.

00:02:24.740 We've tried.

00:02:25.380 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:02:26.640 Please send your dating proposals.

00:02:28.900 There's been some false starts.

00:02:30.060 Also, please send your Super Bowl halftime requests.

00:02:32.780 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:02:34.000 I know a lot of people have been sending in emails all throughout the week.

00:02:37.320 And we've seen some very, very interesting requests.

00:02:40.480 But again, we're accepting those requests with arms wide open.

00:02:44.640 And all I can say is hold me now because the news is coming.

00:02:48.560 And, you know, I just heard the news today, as a matter of fact.

00:02:51.400 So, you know, we're really going to be.

00:02:53.040 We're really excited.

00:02:53.740 We're really looking forward to the event.

00:02:55.220 Jack has zero opinions.

00:02:56.440 No, zero opinions whatsoever.

00:02:57.560 Who should be featured?

00:02:58.700 No, I mean, it's just, you know, cultural relevance and, you know,

00:03:01.580 incredibly popular acts with international renown.

00:03:04.660 But, you know, whatever.

00:03:05.500 Whatever.

00:03:05.820 We can pick whoever.

00:03:06.680 It's no big deal.

00:03:08.100 And, look, like all I'm saying is if you want the event to be taken higher,

00:03:11.360 if you want this event.

00:03:12.800 Okay.

00:03:13.300 All right.

00:03:14.340 All right.

00:03:15.420 How deep down the hit list are we going to go here?

00:03:19.100 All the way.

00:03:20.140 Is this the greatest hits?

00:03:22.260 Jack escorted me.

00:03:23.720 We could go six feet from the edge if you want.

00:03:26.120 It's not that far down.

00:03:27.060 Oh, my goodness.

00:03:28.580 Jack, I'm going to get you a playlist with some other acts on it.

00:03:33.500 There are no other acts.

00:03:34.060 Just so you could branch out a little bit.

00:03:36.360 There are no other acts.

00:03:37.320 But, no, so we're going to do that.

00:03:38.840 We're going to show it.

00:03:40.380 And then Tyler's going to join us.

00:03:41.820 Tyler's at a thing right now.

00:03:43.100 He's going to come in later.

00:03:44.080 He's on assignment.

00:03:44.920 We are making this work.

00:03:46.280 We're going to make it all work.

00:03:47.000 We are making this work.

00:03:47.840 I've got to catch a flight.

00:03:49.460 Tyler's traveling around the world trying to orchestrate our 2026 turning point action plan.

00:03:55.540 So God bless him for that.

00:03:57.040 But we also are going to talk about the Medal of Freedom ceremony.

00:04:01.540 We do.

00:04:01.680 Because we really haven't done that together.

00:04:03.800 No, but we do also have a special guest joining us.

00:04:07.140 Oh, I forgot about him.

00:04:08.280 I believe we have him.

00:04:08.920 I believe we have him coming in remote.

00:04:10.400 We have Cliff Maloney.

00:04:11.260 Guys, do we have Cliff?

00:04:11.840 Howdy, how?

00:04:14.980 So, Cliff, you were with us on election night.

00:04:20.260 You've been with us through thick and thin.

00:04:23.640 You've got the hat on of the greatest football team in American history.

00:04:28.000 Of course, the Philadelphia Eagles.

00:04:29.000 We robbed two weeks.

00:04:29.820 Yes.

00:04:30.580 Super Bowl champions.

00:04:32.460 You know, we're giving some other teams, you know, a chance here.

00:04:35.380 Megan Kelly, by the way, was roasting me yesterday for that loss to the Giants. 0.97

00:04:38.800 And I was just, it was very painful.

00:04:40.840 It was very painful.

00:04:41.580 And then Andrew was roasting us because we, what, the three teams in one night?

00:04:46.140 Well, it was, yeah.

00:04:47.140 You guys had the clean sweep and the Dodgers won the series three to one.

00:04:51.940 Andrew's Dodgers won the series three to one.

00:04:54.140 And now we're up two to nothing on the Brewers.

00:04:56.900 And by the way, I want everybody to know, out of respect for Charlie, had the Cubs overcome

00:05:01.880 the Brewers and faced off with the Dodgers, I would have, I would have, for Charlie, I would

00:05:08.200 have been a Cubs fan or won an LCS.

00:05:11.720 See, I might, I might actually be rooting for the Dodgers now because my dad used to always

00:05:16.120 say that if you got beat, then you might as well say, well, we got beaten by the champs.

00:05:20.920 That's right.

00:05:21.460 So we got beaten by the best.

00:05:22.920 So I'm, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sold on that yet, but no, you know, and Cliff, you

00:05:27.180 know, you got to see the ceremony and, and actually, do you want to ask Cliff about it?

00:05:31.620 Because he was, he was watching it from afar.

00:05:33.380 Oh, I love that.

00:05:34.000 I actually, this whole experience, Cliff, of the last month, and I, I was used to seeing

00:05:39.020 Charlie be in the media.

00:05:40.340 I would book the interviews.

00:05:41.960 I would, you know, we'd work on how we're going to approach the interviews and the debate.

00:05:46.120 Or whatever.

00:05:47.120 And, but it was still hard for me to calibrate because I was still so close to it.

00:05:52.120 Like, you know, how famous Charlie was, how people were reacting to it.

00:05:55.840 It was always hard.

00:05:56.840 So I actually really think outside perspective, somebody that's, that was watching on TV is

00:06:01.480 truly important.

00:06:02.840 So to your, to your point, Jack, Cliff, what was it like watching it, you know, from afar?

00:06:08.620 Yeah, well, obviously, you know, I'm focused on Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

00:06:13.440 And this is the heat of the moment in terms of us, you know, diving in there.

00:06:17.600 And so I didn't get a chance to get to DC.

00:06:20.060 You know, what was fascinating to me, honestly, the, the thing that stands out is kind of how

00:06:25.280 Trump interacts with Erica.

00:06:27.260 And I mean that, you know, in a very good way.

00:06:30.620 I just mean that, you know, you, you hear all the time from the media and from a lot of 0.95

00:06:34.880 people on the left that Donald Trump is this evil human being and just, you know, completely 0.97

00:06:39.860 just corrupt or whatever they say, all these, these buzzwords. 0.94

00:06:43.740 And then seeing him interact with Erica, you know, to me, he kind of brings out the grandfather

00:06:48.960 in him.

00:06:50.460 Just, just very delicate and somber and sweet and connects with her.

00:06:57.940 And I just, I mean, that obviously, you know, I, I, I just love seeing that side of him,

00:07:02.220 right?

00:07:02.480 Because a lot of us want him to be a fighter.

00:07:04.300 We want him to go against the deep state.

00:07:06.560 We want him to be this America first warrior.

00:07:09.080 I mean, the guy took a bullet on the ear for us, but to see that side of him, I think

00:07:14.400 just kind of brings out, it just makes him kind of a whole person to me.

00:07:19.020 And then obviously, you know, with the ceremony, I think Erica's speech, I don't want to, you

00:07:24.520 know, say it topped the memorial or it topped her speech from the studio.

00:07:29.740 But I just think that, you know, it's, it's such a great message of her just talking about,

00:07:36.520 you know, where are we going from here and her referencing the turning point chapters.

00:07:40.960 I mean, that, you know, from afar, that struck me because she's caring about the people that

00:07:45.840 Charlie would have cared about, which are, you know, not the people at the top, right?

00:07:49.420 It's an inverted pyramid.

00:07:50.800 It's always look at this thing, right?

00:07:52.560 We're way at the bottom and the people that are closest to the voters, the people that are

00:07:56.760 closest to changing hearts and minds are the door knockers or the activists or the students

00:08:01.600 on campus and for her to reference that, that just really, to me, uh, talks about, you

00:08:07.580 know, what is the future for turning point and what do things look like?

00:08:11.060 Um, so I just thought the whole ceremony was fantastic.

00:08:13.740 Um, a great tribute to Charlie Kirk and, uh, you know, it just reinforced, we got to do

00:08:19.620 the work and we got to move forward from here.

00:08:23.120 No, that that's great.

00:08:24.240 And, and Andrew, I know, so we were, you know, there in the Rose garden and I know there

00:08:29.340 was that moment, it was kind of surreal and, and you turned to me and, and you, you took

00:08:33.480 this picture that has now gone viral and you pointed out, it's like all of the legends of

00:08:39.700 conservative media, the people that like we watched, even the people that we watched when

00:08:44.400 we were younger, uh, were all standing together.

00:08:48.340 And in, even in addition to the entire government being there, but this, this photo, it was,

00:08:54.400 remind me who it was.

00:08:55.220 It was, so we had Bill O'Reilly, which he never comes to stuff.

00:08:58.940 Do we have that picture?

00:08:59.940 I'll grab it.

00:09:00.440 He's there and it's, and Megyn Kelly's there.

00:09:05.080 And I don't know if we got all of them in, you know, one picture, but we did, we got most,

00:09:09.140 I think Hannity, uh, Jesse waters and Tucker Tucker, Laura Ingraham, Laura Ingraham.

00:09:16.080 Yeah.

00:09:16.240 It was sort of like the past and present of the Fox, uh, lineup, which was noteworthy in

00:09:21.440 the sense that, you know, I don't think I've ever seen them photographed together.

00:09:25.300 I really don't think so here.

00:09:26.700 I'm going to, I'll put it in the chat here when you think of all like the, you know,

00:09:29.860 the ups and downs and the back and forth of, of the schedule and Owen Glenn Beck, Glenn

00:09:34.960 Black was there.

00:09:35.800 Yeah.

00:09:36.800 I didn't get Glenn in that picture, but what, what happened was that it was basically Jesse,

00:09:41.700 Bill, Tucker, and Laura all standing next to us in the back.

00:09:44.900 Cause there's, you know, assigned seats and then there's, and then there's people standing

00:09:49.420 and, and you, you'd be surprised the caliber of people that were standing, right?

00:09:52.580 Right.

00:09:53.580 And we're just standing.

00:09:54.580 And we're standing right next.

00:09:55.580 And then, you know, all of a sudden, Sean Hannity walks back, uh, I think to give a hug to

00:09:59.420 Laura or something.

00:10:01.520 And, uh, he turned around, we snapped the picture and it was quite the moment.

00:10:04.580 It really was.

00:10:05.580 But there was also, you know, there, Glenn Beck was, was, uh, around and then we had

00:10:11.080 a picture, uh, with Blake, you, me, uh, Benny Johnson, the crew, and I guess that picture

00:10:17.080 sort of went viral too.

00:10:18.080 It did.

00:10:19.080 But, you know, there's something about the conservative media being there showing up and

00:10:25.820 it speaks to the role Charlie played in that because Charlie was such a fan of Rush and

00:10:33.300 Rush had also received the presidential medal of freedom.

00:10:37.420 And so there was this, this interesting symmetry, this interesting parallel of like the generations

00:10:43.800 of, you know, so Rush is the first, I, I used to think about this, like he was the pioneer

00:10:47.580 of conservative media that wouldn't exist without him.

00:10:49.740 I used to think about this all the time that what made Charlie, uh, very exceptional just

00:10:54.620 in the media landscape was that he was a bridge of generations as well, even though he, you

00:11:00.680 know, 31 years old, he had become very close with Rush.

00:11:04.800 Rush, you know, was a seven figure donor to Turning Point.

00:11:08.480 He believed in Charlie, but, you know, Charlie was also close with Sean Hannity and he was

00:11:13.540 also close with Mark Levin and he was also close with Glenn Beck.

00:11:17.640 And these, so these are the people that he grew up listening to and then he became close

00:11:20.860 with, and they were all sort of excited to hand the baton to him and let him carry on

00:11:26.220 the mission and expand the mission, grow the mission.

00:11:28.740 And so Charlie was uniquely positioned that way.

00:11:30.600 And you could see the same thing with Fox.

00:11:32.040 Like who else could bring together these people, uh, from Fox news that, you know, had, you

00:11:37.600 know, interesting exit stories from the network.

00:11:41.220 Uh, he's being so diplomatic, so diplomatic because he spends four days in DC and he turns

00:11:46.440 into a politician.

00:11:47.440 Well, I'm trying to be diplomatic because anybody that was willing to make the time to go to the

00:11:52.180 Rose Garden and honor Charlie deserves my respect and I'm going to be respectful.

00:11:56.000 And Charlie.

00:11:57.000 I mean, just so we're clear, I ended up on a stage with Bill O'Reilly later that, or last

00:12:01.600 night and getting lectured about JFK sending in the National Guard in 1963.

00:12:06.740 And you know, it was very fascinating.

00:12:08.740 I was like, you know, I appreciate Bill that you might have a little bit more historical,

00:12:13.180 historical, uh, uh, understanding about what happened in 1963, but I, I think maybe I

00:12:18.820 have a little bit better understanding what happened in 2023, oh, snap, oh, snap, it's

00:12:23.440 done.

00:12:24.440 But no, Charlie was as simple as this.

00:12:26.920 Charlie was the bridge.

00:12:27.920 He was the bridge.

00:12:28.920 Charlie was the bridge.

00:12:29.920 He brought people together that otherwise wouldn't be together.

00:12:31.580 And you saw that on full display.

00:12:32.580 I mean, you, not just from a media standpoint, it was, it was also from a, you know who we

00:12:38.240 missed who we should have gotten that picture.

00:12:40.760 Megyn Kelly.

00:12:41.760 No, cause you know what it was though?

00:12:43.560 Cause she was standing on the other side.

00:12:45.720 I know, but I should have grabbed her. 0.95

00:12:46.720 No, but like the honor guard was like in between us.

00:12:49.540 So it was, it was sort of, no, we should have grabbed her and we saw her later obviously.

00:12:53.660 And she was great and she was a gracious, but it was, there was this military honor guard

00:12:58.400 that kind of separated the, the space.

00:13:01.360 And so you didn't really want to cross that cause they were keeping the aisle clear.

00:13:04.100 I don't know why they were keeping the aisle clear cause nobody walked down it, but yeah,

00:13:07.560 you didn't, you didn't want to cross this military honor guard, but that, that would have

00:13:10.500 been, uh, obviously it would have been, you could Photoshop it.

00:13:12.880 Yeah.

00:13:13.880 Boneless, boneless.

00:13:14.760 If you're watching Photoshop that boneless, it's on you.

00:13:17.100 So, Hey, let's play some clips from, Oh, go ahead.

00:13:19.700 Go ahead.

00:13:20.100 Cliff.

00:13:20.600 Yeah.

00:13:20.760 Let me just make one comment to back you guys up.

00:13:22.780 You know, I used to be much more of a flamethrower back in the day.

00:13:27.080 And it's funny thinking back cause Charlie was always the one, you know, who'd send me

00:13:31.440 feedback on certain things.

00:13:32.760 He'd be like, listen, you know, I know that you disagree with this person or I know that,

00:13:35.900 you know, you think that they're the enemy at the moment, but we got to figure out a

00:13:39.480 way to, you know, come together, right?

00:13:41.280 There's gotta be some coalition here, but he always talked about compromising, uh, without

00:13:47.160 compromising your principle.

00:13:48.780 And I just always like to give Charlie credit for that because.

00:13:52.360 There was something that he was very good at, uh, in a way that, that not a lot of people

00:13:56.780 at his level understand kind of how to put those chess pieces together.

00:14:00.160 Um, but I just want to back up what you guys said.

00:14:02.260 I mean, who else can get all of these different media, all of these different big names, all

00:14:07.060 of these folks to come together.

00:14:08.680 It's Charlie, right?

00:14:10.060 And it's Charlie, the one that, that really, like I said, I mean, a lot of people, when

00:14:14.040 they get to that sort of position or that height of influence, uh, they're, they're kind

00:14:20.140 of forced to take certain sides.

00:14:21.560 And I think Charlie was just always trying to build a coalition.

00:14:24.200 So I wanted to back that up.

00:14:26.160 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:14:27.380 He, he always was, he always was doing that.

00:14:29.400 He, he didn't believe in purity tests necessarily.

00:14:31.400 I mean, you could, you could cross a line and he would, he would, um, he would give you a

00:14:35.840 name check and up against the glass, uh, use a hockey expression.

00:14:39.660 But most of the time he was willing to work this stuff out in private and he won a lot

00:14:45.280 of, uh, trust and admiration from people that are used to getting betrayed by people in public.

00:14:51.520 Basically, you think you have a friendship with somebody and then all of a sudden you find

00:14:54.900 out that, uh, you're, you're, you're getting put on blast in, in the media or whatever.

00:14:59.400 So let's play some clips here.

00:15:01.140 Jack, do you, uh, have one that, I mean, I can just start here.

00:15:04.360 Uh, how about one 85?

00:15:05.840 I want you to be the embodiment of this metal.

00:15:12.240 I do.

00:15:13.520 I want you to free yourself from fear.

00:15:16.800 I want you to stand courageously in the truth.

00:15:20.820 Listen for the still small voice of God.

00:15:23.500 And remember that while freedom is inherited in this country, each of us must be intentional

00:15:32.100 stewards every single day.

00:15:36.720 God began a mighty work through my husband and I intend to see it through.

00:15:39.940 And the torch is in our hands now.

00:15:43.000 It's in mine.

00:15:43.540 It's in yours.

00:15:44.040 It's in all of yours.

00:15:44.840 It's in all the students with turning point USA.

00:15:50.020 Amen.

00:15:50.680 Speaking directly to the chapters was, I think just a brilliant stroke because it goes to

00:15:56.620 show you that there's so many students out there and, and more students now.

00:16:00.480 And I've been, I've been working with this, um, chapter at Rutgers.

00:16:04.200 They're, you know, under attack and there's other people who are, you know, getting, you

00:16:08.040 know, getting in the limelight now and, and the pressure's on, right?

00:16:10.960 The pressure's on turning point, but then you also see the people who are stepping up

00:16:15.440 to the plate and delivering.

00:16:17.260 So you look at the tour, the thousands upon thousands of kids that are coming out to these

00:16:22.580 tour stops that are still going on.

00:16:24.600 And we have a big new announcement.

00:16:27.340 The big announcement.

00:16:28.300 Yeah.

00:16:28.400 So JD Vance came on the show yesterday, uh, on the Charlie Kirk show from the white house,

00:16:33.320 which was fantastic.

00:16:34.220 And he, we, he announced, well, I sort of announced, but then he filled in the gaps that he and Erica

00:16:39.960 are going to be hitting up old miss Oxford, Mississippi on October 29th.

00:16:45.580 Unbelievable.

00:16:46.020 That'll be Erica's, uh, first tour stop. 0.85

00:16:48.860 Uh, and I think her only tour stop this time, but we also announced that Benny Johnson first

00:16:53.920 ever, uh, no, no, no.

00:16:55.340 I, I mean, maybe actually like a campus stop.

00:16:58.400 Yeah.

00:16:59.160 Uh, yeah, it's probably, it probably is.

00:17:00.820 I think it is.

00:17:01.240 And then we've got, uh, Eric Trump, Benny Johnson, Laura Trump, and coach Tuberville

00:17:06.060 hitting up Auburn.

00:17:07.460 So on November 5th, the one year anniversary of, uh, really Cliff Maloney's call heard

00:17:13.660 around the world.

00:17:14.580 That's what November 5th will always be.

00:17:16.440 The Pennsylvania call, the Pennsylvania call, which was so, it was so appropriate. 0.96

00:17:20.860 You got to call.

00:17:21.200 I remember it by the way, like we were, we were all still saying it in the chat and they

00:17:25.580 were like, everyone's like Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.

00:17:27.940 And none of us wanted to say it.

00:17:29.520 No, Charlie was saying, don't say it.

00:17:30.900 Charlie.

00:17:31.260 Yeah.

00:17:31.440 That's right.

00:17:31.900 That's right.

00:17:32.240 Charlie.

00:17:32.360 Don't say it.

00:17:33.040 He was like, something bad is going to happen.

00:17:34.480 Don't say anything, something bad, something to pull it back.

00:17:36.840 And we had the tasty cakes, which, which I actually believe it or not.

00:17:40.580 Oh, look at what we have here.

00:17:41.980 I have.

00:17:42.560 Oh, you guys are killing me.

00:17:43.460 Cliff, I got the tasty cakes back. 0.72

00:17:45.080 You're killing me.

00:17:45.300 We got the tasty cakes back. 1.00

00:17:46.900 I know we are killing you.

00:17:48.680 And I don't find them that delicious, but I love that they mean something to you.

00:17:52.940 They're the pumpkin tasty cakes.

00:17:54.320 It is the greatest, the greatest cake out of tasty, out of Philadelphia.

00:18:00.540 Yeah.

00:18:01.520 Yeah.

00:18:01.860 Bobby Kennedy absolutely hates these things.

00:18:04.480 I don't know if there's any.

00:18:07.100 What's the ingredient list?

00:18:08.040 Oh, yeah.

00:18:08.800 Oh, my God.

00:18:09.340 I don't think there's any actual.

00:18:11.920 I don't think there's any actual pumpkin anywhere near these things.

00:18:15.420 When you can't pronounce most of the ingredients.

00:18:20.580 Xylitol?

00:18:20.900 How many?

00:18:21.720 Cellulose.

00:18:22.240 How many syllables does that have?

00:18:27.060 The expiration date is more than a year away.

00:18:29.100 All you need to know is Tasty Baking Company, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

00:18:33.500 But these are the ones we brought out right when, because I knew Pennsylvania would be

00:18:37.260 the one.

00:18:37.860 You did.

00:18:38.140 And so I pull out the tasty cakes, which I had brought all the way after infiltrating

00:18:42.340 Kamala Harris's.

00:18:43.580 Remember the fake concerts?

00:18:44.520 I want to play it again.

00:18:45.040 Can we play the clip?

00:18:45.920 Just play it.

00:18:46.360 Just play the clip.

00:18:46.860 What is it?

00:18:47.380 What is it?

00:18:47.960 I love, uh, 240.

00:18:49.020 240.

00:18:49.240 Let's play it.

00:18:49.840 I love the clip.

00:18:50.280 Fox News decides Donald Trump is president of the United States.

00:18:56.300 We've got our republic back, folks.

00:19:00.500 Let's go.

00:19:02.200 There it is.

00:19:02.820 Everybody should remember this moment.

00:19:09.500 Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier.

00:19:12.060 Remember where you were when this happened.

00:19:14.800 Remember where you were when you realized that the Uniparty and all of these, you know, 1.00

00:19:20.160 just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate.

00:19:24.680 And look what you guys have done.

00:19:25.920 And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie.

00:19:31.160 I think we all agree.

00:19:32.280 I think Eriko has chopped some onions or something in the break room.

00:19:35.460 No one has worked harder than Charlie for this.

00:19:37.140 We got to hear some words here from you, Charlie.

00:19:40.140 You put all this together, my man.

00:19:41.660 Let's hear it.

00:19:42.300 I am just humbled by God.

00:19:45.340 It's all God.

00:19:47.380 It's all God.

00:19:48.420 God alone.

00:19:50.320 God alone.

00:19:53.700 Decision Desk has it.

00:19:55.820 Pennsylvania.

00:19:56.460 It's done.

00:19:59.000 It's beginning.

00:20:04.800 How has it been a year?

00:20:05.960 I can't believe it.

00:20:06.620 How has it been a year?

00:20:07.380 Not quite a year.

00:20:08.200 We've got two, three weeks still.

00:20:09.860 It's been a year, but it's been a year.

00:20:10.780 But I mean, and well, here we are again.

00:20:12.660 It's October, right?

00:20:14.100 So it's election season.

00:20:15.980 We're, you know, the debate's coming up in a couple of minutes.

00:20:17.980 New York City.

00:20:18.860 Yeah, I do want to transition.

00:20:21.000 New Jersey, Virginia.

00:20:22.880 I mean, I do want to, I just, I want to play, well, shoot, it's too long of a clip.

00:20:29.040 Never mind.

00:20:29.380 So I was actually, I got to be on Fox News this morning talking about just, we were, the

00:20:34.740 reason November 5th came up is because we have the stop with Eric Trump and Laura Trump

00:20:39.480 and Benny and Coach Tuberville, which is actually was my original pitch to the vice president's

00:20:43.880 office to say, Hey, we should come on the day.

00:20:45.860 He came on the one year anniversary and they really tried to just couldn't make it work

00:20:51.160 with the schedule.

00:20:52.020 So we're, we're doing all this.

00:20:53.120 I can't even imagine that kind of much of a logistics and all the security.

00:20:56.860 I mean, it's anyways, the reason I wanted to play this Fox News clip, well, maybe it's

00:21:01.780 worth it.

00:21:02.180 Let's, it's a little bit longer.

00:21:03.400 Is that okay?

00:21:04.160 We do.

00:21:04.660 I'm just giving kudos and a hat tip to JD Vance.

00:21:08.540 And he did come on the, the, the Charlie Kirk show to, to make this announcement.

00:21:12.800 So what, why don't we do it?

00:21:13.780 It's for Charlie, for Charlie, 243, please.

00:21:16.860 The staff of TPUSA on yesterday.

00:21:18.940 And I was just astounded by the numbers of people who have reached out.

00:21:22.360 I understand there's like 350,000 and growing young people who have said, we'd like to be

00:21:27.340 a part of this.

00:21:28.860 The Charlie Kirk show continues as do the events.

00:21:32.340 And vice president Vance was on your show yesterday talking about how he's going to

00:21:37.280 do an event and he's going to take some questions.

00:21:39.160 Watch here.

00:21:40.980 I'm going to do exactly what Charlie did.

00:21:42.860 Just do Q and a with the audience.

00:21:44.300 I actually want to, I want to hear from these kids.

00:21:46.380 I want to answer questions from them.

00:21:48.120 He would answer tough questions from the left and from the right.

00:21:50.300 And so I want to do that too.

00:21:51.500 And a part of keeping Charlie's memory alive is keeping the mission alive and nobody can

00:21:55.720 replace Charlie.

00:21:57.060 But if we all sort of take little pieces, we can do as much as we can to ensure that

00:22:02.040 Charlie's mission continues to survive long after he's gone.

00:22:05.680 I feel like that's going to be must watch TV, streaming, whatever we're calling it now.

00:22:10.900 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:22:11.960 And I just want to give a huge shout out and hat tip to the vice president.

00:22:17.880 You know, people, I don't know how people imagine this working, but he and Usha have

00:22:22.400 been so just generous and they have been the ones offering to help.

00:22:26.740 They have been the ones saying, hey, we want to make sure that Charlie's legacy lives on.

00:22:30.700 How can we help?

00:22:31.820 What can we do?

00:22:32.860 And I just love that the vice president wants to honor Charlie by emulating Charlie at these

00:22:38.260 events.

00:22:38.780 You know, yes, he'll give a few minutes of remarks, but he wants to he wants to interact

00:22:42.320 with the students.

00:22:43.560 And people need to understand that part of what made Charlie so amazing is that, yeah, he

00:22:47.980 spoke, but he he listened.

00:22:50.340 And this is going to give the vice president opportunity to do just that.

00:22:54.440 Listening is a superpower.

00:22:56.520 In my opinion.

00:22:57.180 All right.

00:22:57.560 Andrew, thank you and safe trip home.

00:22:59.280 Thank you so much.

00:23:00.800 So in minutes, the House Speaker, Mike Johnson, will give us an update.

00:23:04.320 Day 16.

00:23:05.340 There you go.

00:23:06.540 Yeah, I just I love that the vice president wants to honor Charlie by doing what Charlie

00:23:11.380 did, which is God bless.

00:23:12.900 He's going to give a few minutes of remarks, but then he's going to spend the most of his

00:23:15.880 time taking questions and interacting with Charlie always said that he always told me

00:23:19.740 the very first time that I went never did one of the campus stops by myself, even without

00:23:24.840 Charlie.

00:23:25.920 And what he said was this was his advice.

00:23:29.300 So Charlie's advice was and I've used it for almost every single event that I could since

00:23:33.880 then.

00:23:34.440 He says, if they give you an hour, do five, ten minutes of remarks and the rest questions.

00:23:42.080 Well, Charlie would plan five to ten minutes and usually go a little bit longer.

00:23:45.160 Yeah, a little bit longer.

00:23:46.680 And then and he was always I was like, well, why do you do that?

00:23:49.060 And he goes, well, because the questions go viral, Jack.

00:23:53.900 It's so true. 0.84

00:23:55.360 It's so true. 0.84

00:23:56.100 People are dying for that interaction.

00:23:58.520 You know what I mean?

00:23:58.960 It's funny because one of the guys, Nick Frey, I don't know if you guys know Nick out of

00:24:02.760 Virginia.

00:24:03.380 He's a delegate.

00:24:04.020 Yeah, he's so funny because like with him, his social media has kind of taken off.

00:24:10.080 And it's funny because I asked him once and he says, listen, he says the four speeches

00:24:13.520 people love, he says, but the speeches aren't what really take off.

00:24:18.380 It's that interaction.

00:24:19.560 And obviously, Charlie with the prove me wrongs, you know, understood that it's capturing not 0.98

00:24:24.080 just stupid questions, but, you know, people actually asking intellectual questions and 0.98

00:24:28.920 getting a raw, real time response from Charlie. 0.99

00:24:32.660 And that's why these turning point events, you know, I think J.D.'s correct and right to

00:24:37.340 say, hey, let me actually take questions rather than give some pontificating speech.

00:24:42.200 That's not a shot at him.

00:24:43.300 That's all politicians.

00:24:45.060 But I think that the real thing people are looking for, we saw this in 2024, the whole

00:24:49.420 election came down to authenticity, right?

00:24:51.720 People want something real.

00:24:53.220 Trump going on Theo Vaughn, Trump going on, you know, Rogan, the real long conversations

00:24:58.780 where you actually get responses that people have to think about and they can judge your

00:25:04.300 temperament and what you're actually, you know, where you're coming from that position

00:25:07.940 on.

00:25:08.240 I think that's why these prove me wrongs are great.

00:25:10.660 And I love that some of these speakers are taking that angle.

00:25:14.460 And it's that real time, you know, sort of like got to think on your feet aspect.

00:25:18.780 That's tricky.

00:25:19.640 I know, let's do about five more minutes and then I know, because I know the debate is

00:25:23.660 going to be starting.

00:25:24.380 I do want to throw to that and get it set up.

00:25:26.540 But so we've got this debate.

00:25:27.900 We're going into it.

00:25:29.360 So Mamdani is currently leading in the polls, but Cuomo is right behind him.

00:25:33.740 So the latest poll that I've seen out of Quinnipiac, it's Mamdani, 46, Cuomo, 33, Curtis Sliwa

00:25:41.700 at Sliwa, in Polish you'd say Sliwa, but we could say Sliwa at 15.

00:25:49.720 So it's really this three-way race.

00:25:51.320 Well, if you add up Sliwa and Cuomo, that puts you at what, 48?

00:25:56.320 You'd be over.

00:25:57.280 Yeah, you'd be over.

00:25:58.120 So there's this question.

00:25:59.640 You'd be just, 48, 46.

00:26:01.540 Yeah, you'd be just over 48, 46.

00:26:03.100 So you'd be just over.

00:26:05.060 And, you know, we're seeing, and by the way, we're seeing very similar, I got to throw it

00:26:08.360 out, the New Jersey governor's race where, you know, we've been doing a ton of work.

00:26:12.960 By the way, Turning Point Action is holding an event this weekend with Chittarelli, Jack Chittarelli,

00:26:18.900 up in northern New Jersey and up in Bergen County, and he's right behind her in the polls

00:26:26.360 if you look at the head-to-head, but the enthusiasm gap is huge.

00:26:31.400 There is a 13-point enthusiasm gap, Chittarelli up 55, Cheryl 42.

00:26:36.440 That's just enthusiasm.

00:26:37.700 That's out of the same Quinnipiac poll.

00:26:39.640 And I think we actually have some video of Charlie talking about Mamdani, Zoram Mamdani,

00:26:48.900 Charlie's favorite candidate of all time.

00:26:51.120 Let's play a clip, 236.

00:26:53.240 Now, understand that in the modern world, authenticity is considered to be the most important thing

00:26:59.820 ever, but should it be?

00:27:01.660 Now, authenticity, if you're pointing towards something good and virtuous, is beautiful.

00:27:06.900 You're authentically trying to be the best version of yourself, to be honest.

00:27:10.760 If you're pointing towards a moral and transcendent ideal.

00:27:15.120 But Zoram Mamdani is not authentically trying to point New York or aim towards a better city.

00:27:21.320 He's trying to bring New York into the gutter.

00:27:24.100 And authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise.

00:27:29.940 Let me say that again.

00:27:30.740 Authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise.

00:27:37.720 It's so, I mean.

00:27:39.140 I remember that.

00:27:40.180 I remember.

00:27:40.820 We actually workshopped that whole thing.

00:27:43.200 That line is so good.

00:27:44.360 Yeah.

00:27:44.580 I remember.

00:27:46.360 Gosh.

00:27:47.600 It's a really good line.

00:27:48.340 And it's true. 0.56

00:27:49.360 It's 100% true.

00:27:50.660 And in fact, that he's not just talking about politics there.

00:27:54.760 He's talking about life.

00:27:56.020 He's talking about everything.

00:27:57.200 And there were so many times where Charlie would do that.

00:27:59.460 And he would, you know, you'd start with one issue or some political issue or political

00:28:04.160 candidate.

00:28:04.540 And he would unpack it all the way down to its bones.

00:28:07.880 Well, Erica did this in her speech, too. 0.99

00:28:09.820 She made a really important distinction between essentially what the founders would call licentiousness,

00:28:15.400 which is freedom without rules, freedom without boundaries, versus liberty.

00:28:19.840 And liberty is about self-governance.

00:28:22.060 Or liberty.

00:28:22.720 Like, individual freedom is about, it's not about the lack of rules.

00:28:28.260 It's saying, listen, I'm only going to have one glass of wine.

00:28:30.560 I'm not going to have any at all, as opposed to five or six.

00:28:32.940 I'm only going to have one tasty cake as opposed to five or six.

00:28:36.560 Maybe I'll have, maybe have a bite just to make Jack happy and then put it, throw it

00:28:41.480 in the trash.

00:28:42.280 No, but whatever, whatever the, but there is these nuances to being a fully formed human

00:28:48.260 being that can be a productive citizen of a constitutional republic.

00:28:52.780 Because if you allow your vices to control you, then you become a slave to your vices.

00:28:56.840 Exactly.

00:28:57.440 And Charlie understood that.

00:28:58.420 And that's different from the, like, the libertine licentious, do whatever you want.

00:29:03.280 He was an expert at calling out the gods of this age, right?

00:29:05.960 You find out what the gods of this age are by when you realize what you're not allowed

00:29:09.760 to criticize.

00:29:11.440 Right.

00:29:11.720 Right?

00:29:11.980 So if you're not allowed to criticize MLK, he found that one out.

00:29:15.120 That's one of the gods of this age.

00:29:16.280 You're not allowed to criticize the Civil Rights Act.

00:29:18.180 Even if you like the intention of some of the Civil Rights Act, you're not allowed to 0.61

00:29:21.600 criticize it.

00:29:21.920 You don't have a discussion about it and suddenly it's blasphemy.

00:29:23.880 Because it's a god of this age.

00:29:25.460 And you've committed blasphemy.

00:29:26.540 Right.

00:29:26.900 And you're not allowed to, well, you are allowed.

00:29:29.020 But when you see these incisive commentary about, you know, licentiousness versus freedom

00:29:35.720 or authenticity versus narcissism, those are the gods of this age.

00:29:42.360 How many times have you heard somebody on the news say, well, everybody wants authenticity

00:29:47.240 and, you know, that's really the key.

00:29:49.160 And Trump is so authentic.

00:29:50.140 Well, Trump is authentically who he is, but it's also because his value system is in alignment

00:29:55.160 with so many American voters.

00:29:56.860 Trump is, you know, exceptionally American in many ways.

00:30:00.860 Right.

00:30:01.080 And that's why him being authentically American works.

00:30:03.660 Wait, that's so perfect that you mentioned this.

00:30:05.780 Authentically American.

00:30:07.460 That's true.

00:30:08.160 Oh, well, speaking of authentic Americans, let's play clip 237.

00:30:12.580 Good.

00:30:12.780 The third holy grail of taboos in American politics, you have socialism, you have Islam, 1.00

00:30:18.340 and then you have Palestine.

00:30:19.460 And you are really going for the trifecta.

00:30:21.900 Let's go, baby.

00:30:22.760 Let's go.

00:30:23.520 Tell me, why is Palestine a part of your politics?

00:30:26.940 When you grow up as someone, especially in the third world, you have a very different

00:30:32.700 understanding of the Palestinian struggle.

00:30:35.900 And it's just, it's just.

00:30:37.240 Everything about that.

00:30:38.120 It's just going into his mouth as he's talking.

00:30:41.440 You know, he just like fingers, you know, he just used the restroom.

00:30:45.080 You can almost guarantee that he just, he was like, hey, before I.

00:30:48.180 It's so rank. 0.94

00:30:49.160 It's really disgusting.

00:30:50.180 And by the way, when you grow up as somebody in the third world, you have a much different.

00:30:56.320 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:30:57.100 You live behind a gated community in the wealthy elite.

00:31:01.000 Like everybody's a millionaire.

00:31:02.500 I think he lived in the same neighborhood as the only Ugandan billionaire.

00:31:06.300 Just like every other communist.

00:31:08.560 Let me ask you guys the question that I'm not supposed to ask.

00:31:12.860 Do we want him to win?

00:31:15.000 Do we want him to win?

00:31:17.540 No, we don't.

00:31:18.140 Does him winning, you're right, give the poster child for an actual socialist in the financial

00:31:26.080 capital of the world?

00:31:27.740 I'm not, I'm not arguing the answer is yes.

00:31:29.940 But I think that it's very interesting for me to think through.

00:31:33.420 They have no leader right now on the left.

00:31:35.100 They have no solutions.

00:31:36.140 They have no policy that they're, that they're.

00:31:38.300 I mean, where's the, when's the last time we've seen a Democrat leader put out some sort

00:31:42.080 of plan in terms of a, a government budget or something?

00:31:44.980 I mean, at this point, it's just, we hate Trump.

00:31:47.400 Does him getting elected as an outed socialist create a poster child that we can have a better

00:31:54.660 dichotomy between free market capitalism and socialism?

00:31:58.100 I think that's a great question.

00:31:59.900 Look, I, I hear you, but this is the George Will take.

00:32:03.340 Defeating communism is always the right answer.

00:32:06.360 There's never an answer where defeating communism isn't the right answer.

00:32:10.140 Now, I do think Mondami is going to win the race.

00:32:12.240 I do.

00:32:12.680 And I think that Sleewa is, I mean, he's running, he's running a vanity campaign and he, you

00:32:21.200 know, easily could have taken a position in, you know, something else.

00:32:26.100 He's claiming that he's been offered $10 million to drop out of the race.

00:32:29.440 No, no, no.

00:32:29.720 I just mean, I just mean there are other ways you can serve.

00:32:32.440 And no, I'm not saying, I'm not suggesting you say you should take the money.

00:32:35.600 He's a bribe him.

00:32:36.140 I'm just saying.

00:32:36.360 I'm just saying he's claiming that he's been bribed, which is not by Jack.

00:32:40.200 No.

00:32:40.640 Listen, he, no.

00:32:41.480 He, he, if you're going to offer anybody $10 million, I would.

00:32:44.680 He reminds me of so many of these candidates that I deal with.

00:32:47.600 You guys deal with these people, the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, the spoilers.

00:32:52.220 Right.

00:32:52.620 And look, it's a tough, tough conversation to have with folks because, you know, they kind

00:32:58.920 of have this hope and this dream and it's party loyalty and he is the Republican, right?

00:33:03.060 Don't get me wrong.

00:33:03.520 But what I'm saying is look at Bobby Kennedy, right?

00:33:05.340 Look at Bobby Kennedy.

00:33:06.720 Bobby Kennedy runs.

00:33:07.860 He runs as an independent.

00:33:08.780 He gets on all the swing states.

00:33:10.280 He's up there.

00:33:11.120 But then what does he do?

00:33:11.960 He looks at the race.

00:33:13.040 He looks at the polls.

00:33:13.900 And he says, you know what?

00:33:15.800 I might not be able to become president, but I could become a kingmaker.

00:33:20.680 And then after I become kingmaker, I can still get what I want out of all of this, which is

00:33:26.260 to help the children.

00:33:27.080 And now he's doing that every single day.

00:33:29.380 So you look at what Bobby Kennedy did for the country because he put the country before

00:33:33.740 himself.

00:33:34.260 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:33:35.480 And look, to Sliwa, get some concessions, dude.

00:33:39.380 You're not going to win.

00:33:40.300 So do what Bobby Kennedy did.

00:33:41.900 Bobby Kennedy, you're right, Jack.

00:33:43.160 Bobby Kennedy was a genius.

00:33:44.940 He realized that he had a little bit of leverage that he could use to take this Maha thing to 0.98

00:33:49.800 the next level.

00:33:50.560 And the guy has just completely reoriented our entire health system in a positive way, right?

00:33:57.080 And I just look at this Sliwa guy and I'm like, look, I'm a Republican. 1.00

00:34:00.720 I get it.

00:34:01.620 But why don't you get some concessions?

00:34:03.300 He could be the kingmaker right now to tell all his supporters.

00:34:07.000 And gosh, if you guys would have guessed a year ago that we'd be saying, hey, he should 0.98

00:34:10.520 be endorsing Cuomo of all people, I would have probably thought you were nuts. 0.89

00:34:15.620 But the political...

00:34:16.080 Well, Andrew's best friends with his brother now, so...

00:34:18.880 You know, it's funny.

00:34:20.000 I did go on Cuomo's, I guess it was a town hall last night at the Kennedy Center.

00:34:27.080 They offered, I was like, I'm here, I guess I'll do it.

00:34:31.160 And it was a fine experience.

00:34:33.760 But yeah, Chris is probably going to go into debate prep mode tonight, right?

00:34:38.540 I mean, or is he not allowed to because he's a journalist?

00:34:40.380 I don't know the rules anymore.

00:34:41.760 I don't think anybody does.

00:34:43.020 But here's what I...

00:34:43.840 I'm sure he'll be watching.

00:34:45.020 Yeah.

00:34:45.280 For sure.

00:34:46.120 Here's...

00:34:46.680 And we do have to wrap up because I think they are going to be starting soon.

00:34:49.940 Okay.

00:34:50.260 Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:34:50.840 So we have to switch the stream over.

00:34:52.020 All right.

00:34:52.260 Well, fine.

00:34:53.000 I mean, listen, here's what I will say, that you're absolutely right.

00:34:56.580 He should get some concessions.

00:34:58.480 I just want to make one final point on what you were saying, Cliff, about should we be

00:35:03.980 hoping that a communist wins?

00:35:05.480 And the answer, in my opinion, is absolutely not.

00:35:08.200 You have no idea what kind of carnage this man would do to everyday Americans.

00:35:13.820 Even if they think they're voting in their own best interest, you have no idea what kind

00:35:17.580 of corruption he'll put in place.

00:35:18.860 You have no idea what kind of apparatchiks will be put in place that you will not be

00:35:22.880 able to extricate from a city that's in America.

00:35:26.040 Every single inch of terrain that is America is America.

00:35:29.520 And we have to insist that it is American.

00:35:32.300 And so...

00:35:32.860 He's going to stop working with ICE.

00:35:34.220 He's going to stop working with ICE.

00:35:35.300 He's going to alienate the NYPD.

00:35:37.080 People are going to die.

00:35:38.520 So I...

00:35:39.100 People don't realize the facts when it just comes with NYPD.

00:35:43.420 They are going to absolutely tuck tail and run out of that city as fast as they can.

00:35:48.660 They're going to get job offers from Florida.

00:35:50.200 They're going to get job offers from New Jersey and Connecticut.

00:35:52.360 They're going to go to these other municipalities.

00:35:54.300 We saw this in Seattle in Portland.

00:35:55.360 Yeah.

00:35:55.460 And they will be...

00:35:56.880 They will have their hands tied.

00:35:57.940 They're already getting their hands tied from some bad consent decree that just came across

00:36:01.800 the wire this week.

00:36:02.840 But they are going to be sitting ducks, and they're going to want to get the heck out because

00:36:07.000 cops, yes, they fear bullets. 0.64

00:36:08.900 Do you know what they fear even more?

00:36:10.920 Prosecutions.

00:36:11.560 Prosecutions.

00:36:11.880 Yeah, they fear getting prosecuted for doing their job.

00:36:14.920 And you better darn well believe that Mom Donnie is going to be leading the charge to 1.00

00:36:20.340 create villains out of cops that get put in terrible situations because there's terrible

00:36:25.360 people running loose in the streets of New York.

00:36:27.140 Andrew, you got to run to the airport.

00:36:29.200 Cliff, you and I are going to hang out.

00:36:30.760 We're going to get Tyler up.

00:36:31.800 I think we're going to see if we can find Mikey as well.

00:36:34.580 Yeah, we got to get the great Mikey McCoy.

00:36:36.220 And by the way, Mikey's going to be on our show tomorrow for the AMA out of Phoenix.

00:36:39.820 In the daytime show.

00:36:40.840 Yeah.

00:36:41.080 All right.

00:36:41.320 So you're flying back to Phoenix.

00:36:42.660 I'm staying in D.C.

00:36:43.680 It's going crazy.

00:36:44.740 And New York City is going red.

00:36:48.480 Communist red.

00:36:49.940 Debate starts now.

00:36:50.860 Prices up.

00:37:17.880 Paychecks stretched.

00:37:20.060 Public safety top of mind.

00:37:22.160 School concerns.

00:37:23.440 Immigrant fears.

00:37:24.580 Good jobs in short supply.

00:37:26.820 Pressures.

00:37:27.680 Big and small.

00:37:28.740 Building on the greatest city in the world.

00:37:31.440 Tonight, three visions for a brighter future.

00:37:34.260 Who will lead New York City into the next decade?

00:37:37.180 Live from Rockefeller Center.

00:37:39.520 The New York City mayoral general election debate.

00:37:42.300 With independent candidate and former New York governor, Andrew Cuomo.

00:37:48.500 Democratic candidate and New York State Assembly member, Zoran Mamdani.

00:37:53.820 Republican candidate and Guardian Angels founder, Curtis Liwa.

00:37:58.980 Sponsored by News for New York.

00:38:01.740 Telemundo 47.

00:38:03.460 Politico.

00:38:04.580 The New York City Campaign Finance Board.

00:38:06.780 And NYC Votes.

00:38:10.120 Here now, News for New York anchor, David Ushery.

00:38:15.240 Good evening, everyone, and welcome to this New York City mayoral debate.

00:38:19.020 We are less than three weeks from Election Day when one of these men will be declared the 111th mayor of New York City.

00:38:25.820 I'm joined by my colleague, News Fork, government affairs reporter, Melissa Russo, senior politics editor at Politico, Sally Goldenberg, and Telemundo 47 anchor, Rosarena Breton.

00:38:36.280 This is a two-hour debate live on all NBC New York and Telemundo 47 streaming and digital platforms.

00:38:43.200 Politico.com, Telexitos, and YouTube.

00:38:46.720 The first hour is also live on Channel 4 and Telemundo 47.

00:38:50.060 We do have a few rules for the candidates.

00:38:52.580 For traditional question and answer, you'll have one minute to respond, and we'll offer 30-second rebuttals at the moderator's discretion.

00:38:59.360 We'll also be asking questions where we will be looking for shorter answers.

00:39:03.340 We also reserve the right to cut off your microphone if you ignore the rules, but candidates, you know we don't want to do that.

00:39:08.620 The goal is for you to hear each other, and for New Yorkers to hear everything you have to say.

00:39:14.160 Good luck.

00:39:15.000 We'll begin with Melissa Russo.

00:39:16.400 Thank you, David, and good evening, gentlemen.

00:39:18.280 Thank you for being here.

00:39:19.520 We begin tonight by asking you to do what every mayor dreams of, and that is to write your own headlines.

00:39:27.380 Imagine it's January 2027, and you have been in office for exactly one year.

00:39:32.400 We would like you to quickly give us one headline about what you think your biggest accomplishment will have been in year number one.

00:39:40.240 We'll begin with you, Mr. Cuomo.

00:39:42.300 First, thank you very much for sponsoring the debate and having all of us.

00:39:45.700 First, the one headline, how many characters in the headline?

00:39:50.360 You know, you're familiar with headline length.

00:39:52.880 Rent down, comma, crime down, comma, education scores up, comma, more jobs in New York City, comma.

00:40:03.700 Now we're getting maybe a little over the average headline length, but...

00:40:07.040 Optimism high.

00:40:08.420 Thank you.

00:40:09.220 Mr. Sliwa.

00:40:11.140 Curtis Sliwa is without his iconic red beret because I'm talking to the people of New York City about the really serious issues of affordability, the cost of living, and obviously what I spent most of my life doing, which is public safety in the streets and the subway.

00:40:29.620 We would love a headline from you.

00:40:31.420 What will your headline be, your big headline, and your number one as mayor?

00:40:35.060 Curtis Sliwa exceeds all expectations and looks very mayoral tonight.

00:40:41.940 Mr. Mamdani, you've had some time to think about it now.

00:40:44.200 What's your headline?

00:40:45.180 It's a pleasure to be here, first of all, and I really want to thank the moderators and the opportunity to speak directly to New Yorkers about this moment in time and our opportunity to transform the most expensive city in the United States of America.

00:40:55.460 The headline would read, in about a year, Mamdani continues to take on Trump, delivers on affordability agenda for New Yorkers.

00:41:02.320 Thank you, Mr. Mamdani.

00:41:03.640 Sally?

00:41:04.160 Thank you, Melissa.

00:41:05.540 We're going to talk about leadership.

00:41:07.640 Voters have reservations about all three of you as chief executive of New York City, a city with roughly 300,000 employees and a budget bigger than many countries.

00:41:16.780 We have questions for each of you, and, Mr. Cuomo, we will begin with you.

00:41:20.300 As a former governor of New York, you obviously have the management experience.

00:41:24.120 But you resigned from office amid sexual harassment and COVID-related scandals.

00:41:29.020 Why should voters now trust that you have the character to be mayor?

00:41:32.780 You have one minute.

00:41:33.840 Good.

00:41:34.520 Thank you very much, and thank you for the question.

00:41:37.700 First, you are right.

00:41:40.020 I left office.

00:41:41.120 There was a report that was done that had allegations of harassment.

00:41:44.620 I said at the time it was a political report and that there was no basis to it.

00:41:50.280 It was then sent to five district attorneys.

00:41:53.520 They all reviewed it.

00:41:54.540 They found nothing.

00:41:55.560 It was then litigated for five years.

00:41:58.260 I was dropped from the cases.

00:42:00.160 So none of that came to anything.

00:42:03.020 When it comes to executive experience, I've run the Department of Housing and Urban Development, built housing all across the nation.

00:42:10.140 I was governor for 11 years.

00:42:11.600 The budget is double what it is in New York City, and I got government to work.

00:42:17.300 I passed groundbreaking laws, minimum wage, paid family leave, built projects that had never been built before.

00:42:24.900 This is no job for on-the-job training.

00:42:28.560 And if you look at the failed mayors, they're ones that had no management experience.

00:42:33.620 Don't do it again.

00:42:34.820 Thank you.

00:42:35.640 Ressirena? 0.79

00:42:36.160 Thank you, Sally.

00:42:37.020 In the theme of leadership, Mr. Mandani, you work as a foreclosure prevention counselor for winning seat in the State Assembly.

00:42:45.580 You have no substantial management experience.

00:42:49.020 How are you ready to lead the nation's largest and greatest city in the world in one day?

00:42:57.060 You have a minute.

00:42:58.520 You know, I have the experience of having served in the New York State Assembly for five years and watching a broken political system.

00:43:05.380 The experience of seeing a governor in Andrew Cuomo who would rather have served his billionaire donors and the working-class New Yorkers who voted for him.

00:43:13.640 And the experience amidst all of that of fighting and winning for working-class taxi drivers to free them from predatory debt and delivering the first free bus lines in New York City history.

00:43:23.560 And in working with unions and working-class New Yorkers to finally raise taxes just that little bit on Mr. Cuomo's donors to start to fully fund our public school.

00:43:32.420 And more than that, I have the experience of being a New Yorker, someone who has actually paid rent in this city before I ran for mayor, someone who has had to wait for a bus that never came, someone who actually buys his groceries in this same city.

00:43:45.300 And what all of that experience has shown me, which Mr. Cuomo can't seem to understand, is that it is far too expensive and far too hard for New Yorkers to afford to live in this city.

00:43:55.160 And the definition of experience is not doing the same thing again and again and hoping for a different result.

00:44:00.000 That's actually the definition of insanity.

00:44:01.640 Thank you, Mr. Mamzani.

00:44:02.640 If I can, I think I was invoked.

00:44:04.840 Yes.

00:44:05.240 In other words, what the assemblyman said is he has no experience.

00:44:08.740 And this is not a job for someone who has no management experience to run 300,000 people, no financial experience to run, $115 billion budget.

00:44:17.740 He literally has never had a job.

00:44:20.420 On his resume, it says he interned for his mother.

00:44:23.220 This is not a job for a first-timer.

00:44:26.660 Any day, you could have a hurricane, you could have, God forbid, a 9-11, a health pandemic.

00:44:32.380 If you don't know what you're doing, people could die.

00:44:35.680 Mr. Mamzani, do you want to respond?

00:44:37.340 And if we have a health pandemic, then why would New Yorkers turn back to the governor who sent seniors to their death in nursing homes?

00:44:43.200 That's the kind of experience that's on offer here today.

00:44:45.740 What I don't have in experience, I make up for in integrity.

00:44:48.060 And what you don't have in integrity, you could never make up for in experience.

00:44:51.240 May I?

00:44:52.300 First, what you said was totally false, as you know.

00:44:55.760 Which part was false?

00:44:57.020 During COVID, everyone did whatever they could in this state.

00:45:00.380 And there have been numerous investigations where they've gone through it, and they said we followed federal guidance.

00:45:07.360 But, yes, people died during COVID.

00:45:10.040 And my heart breaks for everyone that died in this state and across this nation.

00:45:16.400 But just to be clear, Mr., just to fact-check that, there is a criminal investigation reportedly underway at the DOJ about your testimony to Congress about your nursing home record.

00:45:26.560 Yeah, but that was, that is a political issue with the Congress.

00:45:31.200 They made a referral, which has gone absolutely nowhere.

00:45:34.960 But there have been multiple investigations where the DOJ found that the nursing home investigation was politically motivated.

00:45:44.140 Okay, we're going to move on.

00:45:45.420 We might have time to come back to it.

00:45:46.860 I do need to move on to Mr. Shiloh.

00:45:48.220 I just finished my rebuttal, but the Assemblyman still says he has no experience to do the job.

00:45:56.520 Okay.

00:45:57.140 Thank you, Mr. Cuomo.

00:45:58.040 Mr. Shiloh, as founder of the Guardian Angels and as a radio host, you've been a well-known figure in New York City for decades.

00:46:05.780 But you also lack substantial management experience.

00:46:09.140 So how are you prepared to be the chief executive officer of New York City?

00:46:13.820 You have one minute, Mr. Shiloh.

00:46:16.280 First of all, I created the Guardian Angels to provide public safety in the subways and streets when government was incapable of doing so.

00:46:24.120 I didn't do it to get a title or a paycheck.

00:46:27.380 Secondarily, I don't declare myself to be all-knowing.

00:46:30.700 I will hire the very brightest and best in their fields who have dedicated their lives to trying to improve the city of New York or the state or the federal government or the private sector.

00:46:43.880 But what I will say is, thank God I'm not a professional politician.

00:46:48.500 We have the architect and we have the apprentice of no cash bail, which has been a disaster.

00:46:54.240 We have the architect and the apprentice here of raise the age.

00:46:57.940 My own son was almost killed because of that in a gang attack.

00:47:01.880 We have the architect and we have the apprentice of closed Rikers Island, which would just release criminals in the street.

00:47:08.940 Thank God I'm not a professional politician because they have helped create this crime crisis in the city that we face.

00:47:17.060 And I will resolve it.

00:47:18.040 Thank you, Mr. Sliwa.

00:47:18.900 Thank you, Mr. Sliwa.

00:47:20.400 Candidates, President Trump has expressed intense interest in this election and in all of you personally.

00:47:27.940 Mr. Mamdani, the president called you, quote, my little communist.

00:47:31.700 Mr. Sliwa, he said you're, quote, not exactly prime time.

00:47:36.160 Mr. Cuomo, he has been critical of you but said you have always gotten along.

00:47:39.720 The president has threatened to cut federal funds to the city.

00:47:43.160 And just yesterday, he killed the Gateway Project, the tunnel connecting New York to New Jersey.

00:47:48.300 You've all promised to resist him in some way.

00:47:50.720 What would you say in your first official call with the president to set the tone for your relationship moving forward?

00:47:57.560 We'll give you a minute for this.

00:47:58.500 We'll start with you, Mr. Mamdani.

00:48:00.500 I would make it clear to the president that I am willing to not only speak to him but to work with him if it means delivering on lowering the cost of living for New Yorkers.

00:48:09.340 That's something that he ran his presidential campaign on.

00:48:11.360 And yet all he's been able to deliver thus far has been prosecuting his political enemies and trying to enact the largest deportation program in American history.

00:48:21.160 And what distinguishes me from Andrew Cuomo is the fact that he has gotten on the phone with that same president, not asking him how to work together to help New Yorkers,

00:48:29.780 or not telling him that he would refuse to back down to protect those New Yorkers, but instead asking him how to win this race.

00:48:35.980 That's something I can do myself.

00:48:37.420 I don't need the president's assistance for.

00:48:39.040 And what I tell the president is if he ever wants to come for New Yorkers in the way that he has been, he's going to have to get through me as the next mayor of this city.

00:48:45.940 All right.

00:48:46.420 Mr. Cuomo, we'll give you a little extra time, but I'd like you to answer this question as well, what your first conversation with the president would be like.

00:48:51.820 Okay.

00:48:52.800 First, I never had a conversation with the president at the Assemblyman's talking about.

00:48:56.400 But he has a distant relationship with the truth.

00:49:01.700 I would say to the president in the first conversation, look, we have had many, many battles.

00:49:07.360 I fought with, we fought together every day during COVID.

00:49:11.200 And the battles were blooded.

00:49:14.720 And I'd like to avoid them.

00:49:17.100 You know, if you come after New York, you know what I'm going to do.

00:49:21.120 You know it's going to be ugly.

00:49:22.480 And, you know, my chances are almost 50-50, even though you're the president.

00:49:28.440 I'd like to work with you.

00:49:30.140 I think we can do good things together.

00:49:32.200 But, number one, I will fight you every step of the way if you try to hurt New York.

00:49:37.040 Unless he weaponizes the justice system to go after the attorney general of this state, in which case you'll issue a statement that doesn't even name the president.

00:49:44.520 And no matter what you think about Donald Trump, you know that not even being able to name him is an act of cowardice.

00:49:49.480 And that's what we would see from Donald Trump's puppet on the right over here.

00:49:52.340 I do want to get to Ms. Sleewa, but Mr. Cuomo, I'll give you a few seconds to respond to that.

00:49:55.420 Yeah.

00:49:56.320 I did mention, I said political weaponization of the justice system is wrong. 0.99

00:50:00.920 Both sides do it.

00:50:02.540 It's wrong when Donald Trump does it.

00:50:04.540 It's wrong when they did it to Comey.

00:50:06.640 It's wrong when Comey did it to Hillary. 1.00

00:50:08.660 It was wrong when it happened to Tish James.

00:50:10.840 Thank you, Mr. Cuomo.

00:50:11.540 I want to give Mr. Sleewa a chance to answer this.

00:50:13.380 Mr. Sleewa, your first official conversation with the president, what would you say to set the tone?

00:50:17.480 Well, first of all, there's high levels of testosterone in this room.

00:50:20.980 I've had a love-hate relationship with Donald Trump that goes back over 30 years.

00:50:25.460 But I know one thing.

00:50:27.420 We have Andrew Cuomo.

00:50:29.500 We have Zohan Mandami.

00:50:30.880 They want to take on Donald Trump.

00:50:32.520 Look, you can be tough, but you can't be tough if it's going to cost people desperately needed federal funds.

00:50:40.700 Zohan Mandami, the president has already said, he's going to take $7 billion out of the budget right from the start if you're elected mayor.

00:50:48.200 People are going to suffer in this city.

00:50:50.360 People who need those federal funds.

00:50:52.540 What I would do is sit and negotiate.

00:50:54.840 I would say, look, Mr. President, we need that gateway tunnel.

00:50:58.320 It moves millions of people from Washington, D.C. to Boston.

00:51:00.960 But take away the Q-train project.

00:51:04.920 We don't need those three stations going from 96th Street to 125th.

00:51:09.300 It's not a necessity.

00:51:11.200 Sit with the president and whoever he delegates and try to negotiate.

00:51:14.980 But if you try to get tough with Trump, the only people who are going to suffer from that are the people of New Yorkshire.

00:51:21.180 Okay, Mr. Slewa, thank you.

00:51:22.280 Brief response, Mr. Mamdani.

00:51:23.920 You know, Mr. Trump is already suspending infrastructure grants to this city.

00:51:28.240 And he's doing it in a blatant act of political retribution.

00:51:31.160 And what it requires is leadership that will stand up to him.

00:51:33.700 And I disagree with Mr. Slewa.

00:51:35.380 We do need to extend the 2nd Avenue subway to 125th Street.

00:51:39.000 It was a promise made to Harlemites decades ago.

00:51:41.840 It's time to actually fulfill it.

00:51:42.940 Thank you, Mr. Mamdani.

00:51:43.540 Okay, quick question.

00:51:44.640 Do I get 50?

00:51:45.920 Quick question for each of you.

00:51:47.380 Mr. Cuomo, you've been asking this before.

00:51:48.580 He mentioned my name.

00:51:49.880 Don't I get a chance to respond?

00:51:51.280 Well, we've got a lot of ground to cover, Mr.

00:51:52.680 When was the last time you spoke with President Trump?

00:51:56.500 Mr. Cuomo, you've been asked this before.

00:51:58.340 And the last time you said you couldn't remember?

00:52:00.540 I believe it was during his assassination attempt.

00:52:04.180 So last year in 2024.

00:52:06.120 Mr. Slewa, when was the last time you spoke with President Trump?

00:52:09.360 Oh, many years ago.

00:52:10.700 We were receiving awards.

00:52:12.320 I was praising him for saving the annual Veterans Day parade.

00:52:18.960 Those were the conversations that I had with him.

00:52:21.080 Can I please respond?

00:52:22.260 I was asked about the Q train.

00:52:24.020 Okay, real quick.

00:52:24.380 Hey, I am the mayor of mass transit.

00:52:27.520 We do not need a Q train.

00:52:29.040 I'm in the subways every day.

00:52:31.060 We have more than a capable system of transporting people.

00:52:34.180 Thank you, Mr. Slewa.

00:52:34.740 The infrastructure needs to be fixed in the system that we have.

00:52:38.380 Thank you, Mr. Slewa.

00:52:38.720 Mr. Mamdani, have you ever spoken with President Trump?

00:52:41.120 No.

00:52:41.960 Okay, there you go.

00:52:43.620 Sally.

00:52:44.380 Thank you.

00:52:44.980 Mr. Cuomo, a follow-up to that.

00:52:46.460 President Trump has spoken positively about you and your candidacy, even as his Justice

00:52:51.320 Department, as we've noted, is reportedly investigating you for allegations you lied to Congress over

00:52:56.280 your COVID record.

00:52:57.740 Given that dynamic, how would you be able to stand up to this White House?

00:53:01.560 How are you not compromised?

00:53:02.600 And just take into account that New Yorkers are troubled by what they view as a compromise

00:53:06.700 relationship the current outgoing mayor has with the president.

00:53:09.540 Yeah.

00:53:10.020 First, you're wrong when you say there's any investigation of me.

00:53:14.220 That's not true.

00:53:15.160 Do you have evidence there is no investigation?

00:53:16.800 I've heard absolutely nothing.

00:53:18.680 Congress did a press release.

00:53:20.000 They said they sent a letter to the Department of Justice, which they do routinely to generate

00:53:25.580 press, and that's what that is.

00:53:29.200 I have been, I fought Donald Trump.

00:53:32.020 He investigated me repeatedly with the Department of Justice.

00:53:36.480 The Department of Justice Inspector General said that it was actually politically motivated.

00:53:42.200 That does not back me up.

00:53:44.240 When I'm fighting for New York, I am not going to stop.

00:53:47.160 And I'll tell you something else, if the Assemblyman is elected mayor, Donald Trump will take

00:53:52.340 over New York City, and it will be Mayor Trump who runs New York City.

00:53:56.620 We have to move on.

00:53:57.320 Just a very quick follow-up.

00:53:58.200 Yes or no?

00:53:58.600 You're saying unequivocally the Justice Department is not investigating you, correct?

00:54:02.880 I have one, I've heard absolutely nothing.

00:54:06.680 They could be, and you might not have heard it.

00:54:08.440 But okay, we'll move on.

00:54:09.440 David?

00:54:09.860 Okay.

00:54:10.440 Thank you, Sally.

00:54:11.780 That is virtually impossible, by the way.

00:54:14.220 Okay.

00:54:14.460 So, Mr. Cuomo, you did put out an ad the day after the news first broke in the New York

00:54:18.380 Times that you were under investigation, calling it a political investigation, saying they were

00:54:22.220 coming after you, as they had to, you know, after other Democratic politicians.

00:54:26.380 You haven't denied this previously.

00:54:27.820 That the Republican Congress was.

00:54:29.820 Yes.

00:54:30.260 I believe they play politics with the justice system.

00:54:33.360 Okay.

00:54:33.680 I believe the Republican Congress does it.

00:54:35.800 I believe Donald Trump does it.

00:54:37.080 I believe the Democrats do it.

00:54:38.540 And that's why I think people are sick and tired of the justice system and the politics.

00:54:43.420 If you think that there's no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party,

00:54:47.260 then that's the candidate for you.

00:54:48.700 If you think it's time to have a Democratic Party that actually stands up to Donald Trump

00:54:52.600 and his billionaire-backed assault on working people, that's the candidate for you.

00:54:55.280 Thank you, Mr. Bob Dodd.

00:54:56.080 You're not a Democrat, right?

00:54:58.160 Candidates, we have...

00:54:58.480 You're not a Democrat.

00:54:59.460 You're a Democratic socialist.

00:55:00.580 All right, candidates, we have...

00:55:01.200 You didn't vote for Kamala Harris, right?

00:55:03.340 We have other ground to cover.

00:55:04.220 No, no.

00:55:04.540 We have other ground to cover.

00:55:05.580 That's an incendiary charge.

00:55:06.800 I want to be very...

00:55:07.180 You may have a chance to address it, but we do...

00:55:08.900 I'll be very quick.

00:55:09.340 There's a lot of issues to get to with New Yorkers, Mr. Bob Dodd.

00:55:11.660 I'll be very quick.

00:55:12.440 You didn't say leave it blank in the Kamala campaign?

00:55:14.500 I'll be very quick.

00:55:15.600 I said leave it blank in the presidential primary, because primaries are a place to air dissent.

00:55:20.740 And like many Americans, I was horrified by the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

00:55:25.760 And if you want to look for me on the ballot, you'll find me as the Democrat.

00:55:28.680 Okay, Mr. Momdani, thank you.

00:55:29.680 Gentlemen, we have to move on.

00:55:30.960 This week, the world is reacting to President Trump's Israel-Hamas peace deal and the release

00:55:36.460 of the hostages.

00:55:38.100 And many are cautiously optimistic about a lasting peace.

00:55:41.980 Of course, the mayor has no direct role in foreign affairs, and we certainly have a lot

00:55:46.320 of questions for you about city matters.

00:55:48.400 But this war has been a major topic in the campaign, and there are criticisms about your

00:55:53.940 positions in the past and how you envision leading on these issues as mayor.

00:55:58.060 So we have questions for all of you, but first for Mr. Momdani, because of something you

00:56:02.720 said that's been generating headlines in the news today as we come into the debate yesterday

00:56:07.180 on Fox News, you were asked if Hamas should lay down its weapons, key to the peace plan

00:56:12.120 and cease fire.

00:56:13.840 And some say they found your answer confusing.

00:56:16.460 You said, quote, I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the 0.81

00:56:21.320 question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide by international

00:56:26.220 law.

00:56:27.180 And that applies to Hamas, and that applies to the Israeli military.

00:56:31.100 So for the voters tuning in tonight, Mr. Momdani, what do you believe about Hamas and

00:56:35.740 how lasting peace will be achieved?

00:56:38.860 We know it's a complicated matter, but we'd like you to keep your answer to a minute if

00:56:41.900 you could.

00:56:42.680 Of course, I believe that they should lay down their arms.

00:56:45.520 I'm proud to be one of the first elected officials in the state who called for a cease

00:56:49.660 fire.

00:56:49.900 And calling for a cease fire means seizing fire.

00:56:53.000 That means all parties have to cease fire and put down their weapons.

00:56:56.460 And the reason that we call for that is not only for the end of the genocide, but also

00:57:01.960 an unimpeded access of humanitarian aid.

00:57:05.020 I, like many New Yorkers, am hopeful that this cease fire will hold.

00:57:09.360 I'm hopeful that it is durable.

00:57:10.980 I'm hopeful that it is just.

00:57:12.360 And for it to be just, we also have to ensure that it addresses the conditions that preceded this,

00:57:17.800 conditions like occupation, like the siege and apartheid.

00:57:21.660 And that is what I'm hopeful for.

00:57:23.080 Yeah.

00:57:23.800 If I may, that means from the river to the sea.

00:57:27.560 I'm being marginalized out of this.

00:57:29.340 I'm sorry.

00:57:29.640 We need to give you chances.

00:57:30.680 It's a debate of three.

00:57:31.580 Excuse me, Andrew.

00:57:32.420 It's a debate of three.

00:57:33.440 Do we acknowledge that?

00:57:34.620 Three people?

00:57:35.180 Mr. Sliver, go ahead.

00:57:36.080 And we'll give you a sec.

00:57:36.620 Go ahead, Mr. Sliver.

00:57:37.740 The president of the United States should have been applauded by you, Zohan Mandami, and you,

00:57:43.120 Andrew Cuomo, on the day that he brought together that international coalition that met in Egypt

00:57:48.700 that came from the Middle East and the Persian Gulf.

00:57:51.020 I certainly applauded him for bringing peace to Gaza and trying to end the hostilities in

00:57:57.100 the war between the Israelis and Hamas so there can be peace between the Israelis and 0.87

00:58:03.100 peace between the Palestinians.

00:58:05.320 But you seem, Zohan, to be incapable of praising our president.

00:58:09.100 And, Andrew, you were incapable of praising our president.

00:58:12.380 Gentlemen, gentlemen, we have other...

00:58:12.960 Give credit where credit is due.

00:58:14.580 He's brought peace to Gaza.

00:58:15.860 Gentlemen, we want to hear everything you have to say.

00:58:17.600 We have other questions that doesn't matter.

00:58:18.680 Mr. Cuomo, please, brief response, because we do have other questions on this issue that

00:58:22.080 you may be able to address.

00:58:23.120 Go ahead.

00:58:23.300 I did applaud President Trump and his administration.

00:58:26.580 I think it was a great accomplishment.

00:58:28.060 I hope the peace holds.

00:58:29.580 The assemblymen will not denounce Hamas.

00:58:32.280 The assemblymen will not denounce Hassan Piker, who said America deserved 9-11.

00:58:37.980 The assemblyman just said in his response, well, it depends on occupation.

00:58:44.080 That is code, meaning that Israel does not have a right to exist as a Jewish state, which 0.88

00:58:51.200 he has never acknowledged.

00:58:52.740 That is from the river to the sea. 0.99

00:58:55.060 That's why he won't denounce Globalize the Intifada, which means kill all Jews. 0.98

00:58:59.920 Let's give Mr. Mamdani a chance to respond to that. 0.98

00:59:02.200 I want to be very clear.

00:59:03.200 The occupation is a reference to international law and the violation of it, which Mr. Cuomo

00:59:09.480 has no regard for since he signed up to be Benjamin Netanyahu's legal defense team during

00:59:14.400 the course of this genocide.

00:59:15.920 And I find the comments that Hassan made on 9-11 to be objectionable and reprehensible.

00:59:21.300 And I also think that part of the reason why Democrats are in the situation that we are

00:59:25.700 in of being a permanent minority in this country is we are looking only to speak to journalists

00:59:30.200 and streamers and Americans with whom we agree of every single thing that they say.

00:59:35.180 We need to take the case to every person.

00:59:37.740 And I'm happy to do that, which is why I was on Fox News yesterday talking about I wish

00:59:41.640 it was more like NASCAR so we could see all the billionaires who are sponsoring you right

00:59:45.140 on your suit jacket.

00:59:45.920 Melissa has another question.

00:59:46.760 We're going to turn it to Sally, actually.

00:59:47.920 Yeah, actually, this kind of flows and then we'll go back to Melissa.

00:59:50.940 Mr. Mamdani, you told NBC's Meet the Press that you don't believe it's the role of the

00:59:55.040 mayor to police speech.

00:59:56.940 Your words about this war have comforted many New Yorkers, but they've troubled others.

01:00:01.440 And I want to ask about some of this.

01:00:03.420 There is your recent refusal, as we just discussed, to condemn the slogan Globalize the Intifada,

01:00:08.000 which many view as a call to arms.

01:00:10.460 In 2017, you wrapped lyrics praising the Holy Land Five.

01:00:14.340 These are men who were convicted of supporting terrorism.

01:00:16.580 How would you assure New Yorkers, especially Jewish residents who might be concerned about

01:00:21.880 this, that you would be a mayor for all?

01:00:23.860 You have one minute to answer this.

01:00:25.600 Thank you for this opportunity.

01:00:28.160 When I am speaking about the responsibility of leading this city, I mean leading not just

01:00:35.440 those who voted for me, leading not just those who vote, but leading every single person who

01:00:40.700 calls the city home.

01:00:41.780 And that includes Jewish New Yorkers. 0.79

01:00:43.540 And I have been so thankful for the opportunity I've had to sit with so many Jewish New Yorkers

01:00:48.120 over the course of the primary and through the general.

01:00:50.740 And it's in those conversations that I learned that this phrase evokes many painful memories,

01:00:55.880 memories of bus attacks in Haifa, restaurant attacks in Jerusalem.

01:01:00.060 And I heard from a rabbi about their roommate who was killed on one of those buses.

01:01:04.560 And in hearing that and the distance between that impact and the rationale that some use

01:01:09.720 of saying it, of speaking about the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land, is why I said

01:01:13.840 that I would discourage this language, language that I do not use.

01:01:16.900 And what I'm looking to do as the first Muslim mayor of this city is to ensure that we bring

01:01:21.360 every New Yorker together, Jewish New Yorkers, Muslim New Yorkers, every single person that

01:01:25.740 calls the city home.

01:01:26.580 That they understand they won't just be protected, but they will belong.

01:01:29.680 Mr. Sliwa, we will get to you first.

01:01:31.300 I'm going to ask a question of Mr. Cuomo.

01:01:33.100 While you are a strong supporter of Israel, you have also been slow to develop a relationship

01:01:39.040 with the city's Muslim community.

01:01:41.160 You have called Mr. Mamdani a terrorist sympathizer.

01:01:45.160 How do you assure those New Yorkers, especially Muslims and Arabic New Yorkers, that you will 0.91

01:01:51.180 be a mayor for all?

01:01:52.700 You'll have one minute.

01:01:53.500 Well, first, I think the Assemblyman created the perception himself.

01:01:59.380 Why wouldn't he condemn Hamas?

01:02:01.300 Why wouldn't he condemn Hassan Piker?

01:02:03.260 Why did it take us here tonight for the first time for him to say it? 0.99

01:02:06.920 He still won't denounce, globalize the Intifada, which means kill all Jews. 0.99

01:02:11.980 Just say, I denounce it. 1.00

01:02:14.040 He won't do it.

01:02:15.560 That's the issue.

01:02:16.380 And his divisiveness is chronic.

01:02:17.820 Mr. Cuomo, can you address the question that we're bringing to you?

01:02:19.440 I think you've made the point, but can you please answer about your own relationship with

01:02:23.260 the Muslim community?

01:02:24.100 You did not visit mosques for many years.

01:02:26.100 More recently, you have been.

01:02:27.240 Yeah, I don't think in any way the Assemblyman is representative of the Muslim community, which 0.99

01:02:34.520 is a vital community in New York City.

01:02:37.200 And I am very fond of and I've been working with.

01:02:41.600 I think he's playing his own politics.

01:02:44.900 Many of his positions don't even follow the Muslim faith.

01:02:49.180 So I see them as two totally separate things.

01:02:51.520 Mr. Mamdani, do you want to respond?

01:02:53.520 You know, it took Andrew Cuomo being beaten by a Muslim candidate in the Democratic primary

01:02:57.860 for him to set foot in a mosque.

01:02:59.740 He had more than 10 years and he couldn't name a single mosque at the last debate we had

01:03:04.360 that he visited.

01:03:05.200 And what Muslims want in this city is what every community wants and deserves.

01:03:08.760 They want equality and they want respect.

01:03:10.920 And it took me to get you to even see those Muslims as part of this city.

01:03:15.200 And that, frankly, is something that is shameful and is why so many New Yorkers have lost faith

01:03:20.380 in this politics.

01:03:21.300 Yeah, except that is totally false.

01:03:23.760 I've worked with the Muslim community for many, many years.

01:03:26.720 Name a single mosque you went to when you were the governor.

01:03:29.140 Can you name a single mosque you went to in 10 years?

01:03:31.220 Before you were ever here.

01:03:33.300 Before I was here?

01:03:34.540 Before you were even in state government.

01:03:36.180 I worked with the Muslim community.

01:03:38.600 Imams presided over state of the states. 1.00

01:03:42.040 We worked in religious working groups, tolerance groups.

01:03:44.360 Tolerance groups, anti-Semitic groups, et cetera.

01:03:47.020 All right, gentlemen.

01:03:48.100 Mr. Slewoy, Rosarito has a specific question for you, but I'll give you a few seconds later.

01:03:51.600 This is what disturbs me about you.

01:03:54.400 You will be celebrating your birthday this weekend.

01:03:57.380 In 1991, I was in the streets of Crown Heights with the Guardian Angels for 30 days and 30 nights

01:04:04.480 when the first Democratic Socialists mayor of New York City, that's right, David Dinkins,

01:04:09.300 who was a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, abandoned the Jews for three days. 0.90

01:04:15.260 They were left to their own means.

01:04:16.620 And we protected them for 30 days and 30 nights.

01:04:20.280 Then your favorite mayor, Bill de Blasio, in 2019, abandoned the Jews again when they were being attacked in Williamsburg and Burrell Park and Crown Heights.

01:04:29.020 And I had to bring the Guardian Angels in for 30 days and 30 nights.

01:04:32.480 Jews don't trust that you are going to be there for them when they are victims of anti-Semitic attacks.

01:04:39.440 Okay.

01:04:40.060 Brief response, Mr. Mamdani.

01:04:41.260 We have a specific question for you from Rosarito, but Mr. Mamdani, please.

01:04:44.440 I agree, by the way.

01:04:46.360 One of the most meaningful experiences I've had over the course of this campaign has been the conversations I've had with Jewish New Yorkers.

01:04:54.380 Jewish New Yorkers who've told me about the door that they've had to lock that they had kept open for 40 years.

01:04:59.660 Jewish New Yorkers who've told me on the M57 about an apartment the speech therapist was trying to sell

01:05:05.040 when a realtor told her, put the Jewish books off the table.

01:05:07.800 Jewish New Yorkers who've told me about their fear in living in this city.

01:05:11.960 And I will be a mayor who finally addresses that, not through the theatrics of the politics on this stage, but through action.

01:05:18.340 I'll do that by ensuring that we have police officers outside of synagogues in the High Holy Days. 0.99

01:05:22.920 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to, and we do have a specific question for Mr. Sliwa.

01:05:26.920 Rosarito.

01:05:27.580 Thank you, David.

01:05:28.400 Mr. Sliwa, you've called for tougher policing of pro-Palestinian protests,

01:05:32.620 and you've suggested that Mr. Mamdani uses languages that is anti-Semitic.

01:05:37.940 How do you assure New Yorkers that you'll be the mayor for all?

01:05:43.860 Well, I've been there for all people at all times for 46 years as leader of the Guardian Angels here and around the world.

01:05:50.560 Whether it is a religious violation of people's rights to worship as they choose in a mosque,

01:05:56.980 in a church, in a synagogue, or a shul, whether it's because of racial identity.

01:06:02.760 Remember, in the summer of 2020, Asians were under constant attack because of the lockdown and pandemic.

01:06:10.760 I don't remember Governor Cuomo coming to their aid.

01:06:13.260 You were the governor then.

01:06:14.860 I was out there going into all the neighborhoods, Flushing, Bayside.

01:06:19.040 We were in, down in Bensonhurst.

01:06:22.600 We were in Chinatown itself, where Asians were being attacked indiscriminately because they were thought to be carrying COVID.

01:06:30.640 We protected them then.

01:06:32.480 Governor, you were not there for them.

01:06:34.800 de Blasio was not there for them.

01:06:36.820 We understand hate.

01:06:38.480 And in order to counteract hate, you have to get the community involved along with the police to protect people when they're under siege.

01:06:46.520 Jews are under attack now more than ever before.

01:06:49.460 And I don't believe either of you have the capabilities of protecting them with increased anti-Semitism.

01:06:55.860 That is pure fiction.

01:06:57.440 I passed the no hate in our state, the strongest hate crime law in the United States of America.

01:07:03.820 We tolerate no hatred, no discrimination.

01:07:07.040 We are from every place on this globe.

01:07:10.760 Unless it's you that's perpetrating it.

01:07:12.320 And we're tolerant and we accept.

01:07:14.840 If you notice, the assemblyman still won't say he believes that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state.

01:07:21.720 He is a divisive personality all across the board. 0.94

01:07:25.120 NYPD are racist. 1.00

01:07:26.860 Barack Obama is evil, liar. 1.00

01:07:29.100 And he gave the finger to the Christopher Columbus statue. 1.00

01:07:31.820 By the way, your laws with no cash fail turn the haters right back in the street to violate and attack again and again and again.

01:07:41.160 Thank you.

01:07:41.580 You're the reason for that.

01:07:42.660 No cash fail.

01:07:43.480 Thank you.

01:07:43.680 Thank you.

01:07:44.080 You don't know what you're talking about.

01:07:45.260 Thank you.

01:07:45.980 Go ahead.

01:07:46.360 There have been a number of absolutely unfounded lies that have been said by Andrew Koma.

01:07:50.060 I would just like a moment to address them directly.

01:07:52.640 I've said time and again that I recognize Israel's right to exist.

01:07:55.900 I've said that I will not recognize any states.

01:07:58.040 As a Jewish state.

01:07:58.460 I said that I will not.

01:07:59.460 As a Jewish state.

01:08:00.600 If I would be allowed to finish.

01:08:02.020 Okay.

01:08:02.360 That I would not recognize any states' right to exist with a system of hierarchy on the basis of race, of religion.

01:08:07.900 I have made that very clear and part of that is because I'm an American who believes in the importance of equal rights being enshrined in every single country.

01:08:15.900 Whether we're speaking about Israel or whether we're speaking about Saudi Arabia.

01:08:19.120 You can stand here and you can lie all you want.

01:08:21.140 But New Yorkers will do it.

01:08:21.920 You answered the question.

01:08:23.040 We want to address some issues here.

01:08:25.380 All right.

01:08:25.640 And we have another polarizing issue that we would love to discuss with you candidates.

01:08:30.080 And let's talk about the National Guard here in the city of New York.

01:08:33.660 Now, let's go back to Mr. President Donald Trump.

01:08:37.220 One threat hanging over the city is the deployment of the National Guard troops like he has done, as you all know, in other cities.

01:08:45.200 The NYPD commissioner has rejected the idea as unnecessary.

01:08:50.160 But the president ordered troops to hit the streets of New York.

01:08:54.220 Now, how would you respond?

01:08:56.400 Mr. Shliwa, you have a minute.

01:08:59.460 There's no need for the National Guard in New York.

01:09:01.480 Kathy Hochul, the governor, when we had a crime crisis in the subways that I'm well familiar with, being down there all the time, unlike my two adversaries.

01:09:11.000 She sent 750 National Guardsmen down into the subways in 2024.

01:09:16.460 Remember the horrible case of Debrina Kawam.

01:09:19.860 Does anybody even say her name anymore?

01:09:21.760 That woman who was set on fire by that migrant. 1.00

01:09:24.780 As a result of that, the worst crime I've ever seen committed in the subway system.

01:09:30.120 The governor did the right thing.

01:09:32.080 She sent an additional 250 National Guardsmen, giving us a total of 1,000 National Guardsmen in the subway system.

01:09:39.120 While our mayor, Eric Adams, was telling us it was all a perception.

01:09:43.480 So Governor Hochul has responded.

01:09:45.100 I would tell the president of the United States, since I'm familiar with cities all across America having guardian angels there, if you were going to send the National Guard, you don't need to send them to New York City.

01:09:56.300 There are other cities that could desperately use their help in dealing with their crime crisis.

01:10:01.360 Thank you, Mr. Shliwa.

01:10:02.700 Mr. Mamdani, how would you respond?

01:10:04.600 You know, I agree with Police Commissioner Tish in that we do not need the National Guard here in New York City.

01:10:10.440 We do not need them for the purpose of safety, because if it was safety that President Trump was so concerned about, he would send them to the 8 out of 10 states that have the highest levels of crime in this country.

01:10:19.940 But he won't, because they're all run by Republicans.

01:10:23.200 What New Yorkers need is a mayor who can stand up to Donald Trump and actually deliver on that safety.

01:10:28.260 When Donald Trump sent ICE agents on people in Los Angeles, Andrew Cuomo said that New Yorkers need not overreact.

01:10:36.040 That is the furthest answer that New Yorkers are looking for.

01:10:38.840 They are looking for someone who will lead, someone who will say that they will have their back, someone who will actually fight for the people of this city.

01:10:45.360 And that's who I am, because I'm not funded by the same donors that gave us Donald Trump's second term, which isn't something that Andrew Cuomo can say.

01:10:52.000 Thank you, Mr. Mamdani.

01:10:52.900 First, the answer in the subways is not more National Guard.

01:10:55.740 I put National Guard in the subways also.

01:10:57.680 So it's more NYPD is the answer.

01:10:59.700 But the National Guard is not, he's not sending in the National Guard to do any real function.

01:11:06.460 It's control, it's power.

01:11:08.540 He's trying to say these Democrats don't know how to run these cities, and it's a political gesture by sending in the National Guard.

01:11:14.880 He has said if the Assemblyman is elected, he will take over New York.

01:11:20.580 Forget the National Guard.

01:11:21.660 He has said I'm going to take the funds.

01:11:23.720 The question is, if they order the troops to come here, what would they do?

01:11:26.380 The, well, I went through this with him.

01:11:29.680 He sent the National Guard to 20 cities when I was governor.

01:11:33.560 You know what city he didn't send them to?

01:11:35.620 New York.

01:11:36.680 Why?

01:11:37.280 Because I said to him, don't you dare, we don't need it, and he backed down, and he will again.

01:11:43.280 So that proves a good relationship with the president.

01:11:44.280 Wait a second.

01:11:44.960 The president is going to back down to you, Andrew Cuomo.

01:11:47.640 I know you think you're the toughest guy alive, but let me tell you something.

01:11:53.720 You lost your own primary, right?

01:11:55.860 You were rejected by your Democrats.

01:11:58.340 And you have a difficult understanding that what the term no is.

01:12:03.100 You're not going to stand up to Donald Trump.

01:12:05.880 I agree with Curtis.

01:12:07.060 You're not going to stand up to Donald Trump.

01:12:09.080 And he can't stand up to Donald Trump, who knocked him right on his tookus.

01:12:13.240 You negotiate with him.

01:12:14.880 You don't fight with him, because only the people of New York City will lose.

01:12:18.240 We do have a follow-up.

01:12:19.500 You stand up to negotiate.

01:12:20.360 We have a follow-up.

01:12:21.600 I'd like to see a show of hands.

01:12:23.240 Are there any circumstances where any of you would allow the NYPD to cooperate with

01:12:29.120 the National Guard if Trump sent them to New York?

01:12:31.700 Show of hands.

01:12:32.620 Yes?

01:12:33.880 No takers.

01:12:34.660 Okay.

01:12:35.340 Moving on.

01:12:35.920 If history is a guide, National Guard troops in the city could trigger protests.

01:12:40.360 And we have questions for each of you about how you would handle that.

01:12:44.380 So, Mr. Sliwa, you have been arrested for protesting migrant housing and for trying to

01:12:49.860 serve Mayor Bill de Blasio with court papers.

01:12:52.300 How would your NYPD handle protests?

01:12:55.740 And would you continue participating in protests as mayor?

01:12:59.400 You have one minute.

01:13:00.860 Well, I have been arrested oftentimes in civil disobedience.

01:13:04.560 That is a great American right.

01:13:06.880 But demonstrations have a time and a place.

01:13:10.000 And it used to be, before Bill de Blasio, I know he was your favorite mayor, Joan Mandami,

01:13:14.720 that you'd have to get a permit.

01:13:16.180 There's a time period you were in a structured area.

01:13:18.860 You get a sound permit.

01:13:19.980 It could be turned around in a day.

01:13:21.400 If there was going to be civil disobedience, you discussed it with the police department.

01:13:26.500 And obviously, you had an opportunity of expressing your anger or your outrage at whatever it was

01:13:32.960 that motivated you to sit down in the street, to block traffic or block an egress.

01:13:37.660 Now, we have rampaging groups that go running through the streets that enter all kinds of facilities and violate other people's rights.

01:13:46.460 And there's no one who's willing to stop it.

01:13:49.220 When I'm the mayor, there are rules and regulations.

01:13:51.920 Everybody has a right to demonstrate.

01:13:54.020 But you can't violate other people's rights or you yourself must be arrested.

01:13:58.260 And I would remove the face coverings.

01:14:02.220 Remove those face coverings. 0.63

01:14:04.080 Why are you afraid of identifying who you are as a demonstrator unless maybe you're an agent provocateur who's been sent in here to cause chaos?

01:14:12.780 Thank you.

01:14:13.480 Rosarino?

01:14:13.840 The next question goes to you, Mr. Mamdani.

01:14:16.040 You were arrested for blocking traffic in a pro-Palestinian protest.

01:14:20.140 And you participated in a sit-in at Grand Central.

01:14:24.220 Protesters offered block streets, bridges, and hubs like Grand Central.

01:14:29.620 How much of that would you allow as mayor?

01:14:32.440 And what's your line in having the NYPD arrest protesters?

01:14:36.920 You have a minute.

01:14:37.500 Protest is a part of what makes this city's history what it is.

01:14:43.960 It is a part of the First Amendment.

01:14:45.460 We deserve to have a mayor who stands up for that First Amendment, especially as we have a president that's looking to shred it at each and every opportunity. 0.98

01:14:52.800 And we will continue to have protests in this city as we should no matter who is the mayor.

01:14:57.500 And the line will be on the question of breaking the law.

01:15:00.580 What we have today, however, is an attempt to intimidate so many who are looking to use that freedom of expression to share their opinions about the city and the world around them.

01:15:10.660 And to be frank with you, what New Yorkers are looking for is someone who can show leadership in City Hall.

01:15:17.420 Because when they don't see that leadership, that's when so many take to the streets.

01:15:21.140 And if you had a leader like Andrew Cuomo, who was telling people not to overreact when they see ICE agents abducting girls as young as six years old to deport them, many New Yorkers will take to the streets.

01:15:32.420 We deserve to have a leader who will actually be following through on the values of the city.

01:15:36.620 That's the leader that I'll be.

01:15:37.740 Mr. Bandhani, just a quick follow-up.

01:15:39.640 If you're elected, would you still participate in protests?

01:15:42.980 If I'm elected, I'll be the mayor and I'll be leading the city from City Hall.

01:15:46.260 But no participation in protests, right?

01:15:48.120 The important thing is to lead from City Hall.

01:15:50.680 That's what I'll be doing.

01:15:51.580 Yeah.

01:15:52.100 If I may respond, because I believe my name was invoked.

01:15:55.240 A very brief response, and then a question for you.

01:15:57.380 I dealt with ICE.

01:15:58.700 I stood up with ICE.

01:15:59.740 I had a war with ICE here in New York when I was governor.

01:16:03.220 And I stood them down, and they moved out.

01:16:06.460 What the assemblyman is saying is he doesn't believe in law and order.

01:16:10.660 He believes in defunding the police, disarming the police, disbanding the police.

01:16:14.860 That's who he is.

01:16:16.020 Abolish jails.

01:16:17.020 I have a question for you.

01:16:18.420 I have a question for you.

01:16:18.860 15 seconds.

01:16:19.500 Very quickly.

01:16:20.300 And then we do just 15 seconds, because we have a question for Mr. Cuomo.

01:16:23.320 Mr. Cuomo lies again and again and again.

01:16:25.820 I am not running to defund the police.

01:16:27.840 I am running to actually work with the police to deliver public safety.

01:16:31.260 Andrew Cuomo says that he has stood up to ICE.

01:16:33.660 He has not said a word about the abductions that are happening right now.

01:16:36.420 He's referring to a previous comment you made, and we will get back to this.

01:16:39.460 But, Mr. Cuomo, a question for you.

01:16:41.040 It's a comment he made.

01:16:42.360 He's the operator.

01:16:43.060 I understand I said that.

01:16:44.720 As governor, you put the National Guard on standby during the George Floyd protests.

01:16:48.700 You didn't deploy them.

01:16:50.040 As mayor, talk about how you would balance the right to protest with maintaining order

01:16:53.780 in the streets.

01:16:54.460 The right to protest is a sacred right.

01:16:58.840 There is no doubt about that.

01:17:00.820 But the law is the law also.

01:17:03.400 And you have New Yorkers now who are afraid in this city.

01:17:07.180 They're afraid of Donald Trump coming.

01:17:09.360 They're afraid of that anarchy.

01:17:11.080 And they're afraid of the anarchy in this city itself.

01:17:14.920 We have to provide public safety that makes New Yorkers feel safe.

01:17:19.680 Demonstration is one thing.

01:17:20.940 Violating the law is something else.

01:17:23.080 Blocking public transit is something else.

01:17:25.500 Stopping students from going to class is something else.

01:17:28.980 Harassment, intimidation, that's a hate crime.

01:17:31.540 That's illegal.

01:17:32.520 Enforce the law.

01:17:33.980 Respect the police.

01:17:35.940 They're not racists, as the assemblyman calls them.

01:17:40.620 They're not a threat to public safety, as he says.

01:17:43.740 They're not anti-queer.

01:17:45.260 They are here to protect New Yorkers, work with them, fortify them.

01:17:51.520 You know, that's ironic that you say that now, Andrew Cuomo, because when you were governor

01:17:57.140 for eight years, your parole board released 43 cop killers back into the street.

01:18:04.180 Your father, when he was governor, released none.

01:18:07.560 I knew Mario Cuomo.

01:18:09.580 You're no Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo.

01:18:12.040 I'm sorry, we have to respond briefly to the comments that Mr. Cuomo raised about things

01:18:19.720 you've said about police.

01:18:20.780 You can do a brief response to that.

01:18:23.420 I have been clear time and time again that as much as Andrew Cuomo wants to bring up tweets

01:18:28.880 from 2020, which is around the same time that he was sending seniors to their death in

01:18:32.780 nursing homes.

01:18:33.860 I am looking to work with police officers, not to defund the NYPD, looking to ensure that

01:18:39.360 officers can actually do one job when they're signing up to join that department.

01:18:43.320 Not the many jobs we're asking them to do today with the mental health crisis.

01:18:46.720 We will come back to that, but we're out of time. 0.98

01:18:48.800 You said they are weak, corrupt, and racist. 0.97

01:18:51.400 We're moving on. 0.99

01:18:51.800 That's what you said.

01:18:52.800 Your words.

01:18:53.620 Your words.

01:18:54.140 We're moving on.

01:18:54.720 Thank you.

01:18:55.700 Despite record low crime numbers, polls show that crime remains a top concern for New York

01:19:01.000 City voters.

01:19:02.000 The three of you have very different approaches to crime fighting and how to manage the NYPD.

01:19:07.180 We want to get into your plans.

01:19:08.520 So we'll start with this question.

01:19:10.160 It's a two-part question, but it's short.

01:19:11.680 How will you make the city safer and how will you change the NYPD?

01:19:15.840 You'll have one minute.

01:19:16.900 We begin with Mr. Cuomo.

01:19:18.800 I would add 5,000.

01:19:20.760 Well, let's take a step back.

01:19:22.100 Remember what happened.

01:19:22.960 The far left, the socialists that defund the police, defund the police, they took a billion

01:19:26.780 dollars out of the police.

01:19:28.120 The NYPD is now down at one of the lowest levels in modern political history.

01:19:32.320 I would add 5,000 police, put 1,500 in the subways, raise the starting salary because

01:19:39.240 you can't hire them.

01:19:40.640 You can't even fill a class right now.

01:19:43.580 And you have to add additional police officers because the attrition rate is so high.

01:19:49.560 Part of that is going to be saying to the NYPD, I respect you.

01:19:53.820 I don't think you're wicked, as the assemblyman said.

01:19:56.400 I don't think you're corrupt.

01:19:57.800 I don't think you're racist.

01:19:59.260 I value you.

01:20:00.820 I will have your back.

01:20:02.540 I'll be a mayor to work with you.

01:20:04.800 That's how you're going to get the police to apply for the jobs.

01:20:10.560 And then we have to work on the relationship between the community and the police.

01:20:14.580 The police can't police the community.

01:20:17.800 They have to police with the community.

01:20:19.740 Next, Mr. Sliwa.

01:20:21.380 This is amazing.

01:20:22.140 I'm standing here with my two adversaries, both of whom have threatened to defund the

01:20:27.900 police.

01:20:28.380 You, Andrew Cuomo, during the summer of 2020, you said, if you don't reform police departments,

01:20:33.520 I'm going to defund you.

01:20:34.740 And you certainly said that, Zohan Mandami.

01:20:37.620 We need 7,000 police.

01:20:39.380 We only have 32,500.

01:20:41.180 The problem in recruiting police, which neither of you are addressing, is that their insurance

01:20:47.280 was stripped from them.

01:20:49.180 The state, you did nothing when you were governor.

01:20:51.480 And here in the city, 2021, the city council and Eric Adams did nothing.

01:20:56.080 They don't have qualified immunity, which you benefited from, Andrew Cuomo, with the 13 lawsuits

01:21:02.640 filed against you for sexual harassment.

01:21:05.440 Tom DiNapoli says we're paying out $60 million.

01:21:08.940 Why?

01:21:09.300 Because you had your qualified immunity as governor, and yet people have stood by as

01:21:15.760 police have lost their insurance that all civil servants have.

01:21:19.400 That's why you can't get recruits in, because they're not insured.

01:21:23.140 I will return their qualified immunity because they need to be protected like other civil servants.

01:21:28.880 That is not New York State.

01:21:30.180 It's New York City under qualified insurance, under qualified immunity.

01:21:34.480 It's not insurance at all.

01:21:35.720 You are entitled to free legal counsel, which is what he's referring to.

01:21:38.640 Yes.

01:21:38.900 You have spent.

01:21:40.000 Yes.

01:21:40.360 But it's New York City that has revoked qualified immunity.

01:21:45.780 It's not insurance.

01:21:47.280 It's qualified immunity.

01:21:48.460 It has nothing to do with insurance.

01:21:49.340 Okay.

01:21:49.620 Well, that protected you in all these lawsuits.

01:21:51.480 And yes, the lawsuits, because there was a report filed.

01:21:56.520 I said it was political.

01:21:57.940 It turned out to be political.

01:22:00.080 Okay.

01:22:00.240 And that's why you have legal fees.

01:22:01.100 All 13 women were lying? 1.00

01:22:02.640 Come on, Andrew.

01:22:03.780 All 13 women were lying. 1.00

01:22:05.520 After five years.

01:22:06.980 A state trooper, too?

01:22:08.440 Yeah.

01:22:08.920 After five years, five VA's, five years of litigation, I was dropped from the case.

01:22:14.040 Mr. Mamdani, how will you make the city safer, and how will you change the NYPD?

01:22:20.500 Thank you.

01:22:23.060 This is the concern for so many New Yorkers, and I am proud to have a comprehensive plan

01:22:27.680 to bring new ideas to this city.

01:22:29.980 If you want more of the same, vote for Andrew Cuomo.

01:22:32.280 If you want an actual approach to lower crime, look at our Department of Community Safety.

01:22:37.180 That is something that has been hailed by experts as addressing so many of the pieces

01:22:41.560 of why New Yorkers are not feeling safe today.

01:22:43.760 We will ensure that no longer are police officers asked to do the job of both policing

01:22:48.500 and responding to the mental health crisis.

01:22:50.960 We will have dedicated teams of mental health outreach workers in the top 100 subway stations

01:22:56.180 with the highest levels of the mental health crisis and homelessness.

01:22:59.400 We will ensure that cops can finally go back to the response times they used to have in 2020,

01:23:04.880 closer to 11 minutes, as opposed to the closer to 16 minutes today,

01:23:08.480 because they won't be asked to respond to the 200,000 mental health calls

01:23:13.260 that are coming in through 911 every year.

01:23:15.640 This is evidence-based.

01:23:16.720 It's been successful elsewhere in the country.

01:23:18.660 It's time we deliver it right here in New York City.

01:23:21.320 It's time for a change.

01:23:22.020 Thank you, Mr. Mamdani.

01:23:22.780 Zora Mamdani, we already had it.

01:23:24.320 Thank you, Melissa.

01:23:24.900 It was called the Homeless Outreach Unit of Cops and Mental Health Care Officials.

01:23:26.080 I'm sorry, this is not a free-for-all.

01:23:27.580 We have another question for Mr. Mamdani.

01:23:29.740 I'm just going to keep talking.

01:23:30.560 Mr. Sliwa.

01:23:31.960 Thank you, Mr. Sliwa.

01:23:33.820 Thank you.

01:23:34.160 Excuse me.

01:23:34.780 Mr. Mamdani, we're going to talk about disciplining police officers.

01:23:38.220 The civilian watchdog that investigates police misconduct

01:23:40.980 regularly recommends discipline for cops accused of wrongdoing,

01:23:44.820 but the police commissioner often overrides them.

01:23:47.580 You want to change that policy so that the board has final say.

01:23:51.280 Please explain to viewers in 30 seconds

01:23:53.260 why you believe the police commissioner should no longer have that final say.

01:23:57.500 What I've said is that I think it's time to remove much of the politics

01:24:01.580 out of the question of accountability.

01:24:02.860 We have the Civilian Complaint Review Board, which, as you said, studies, assesses,

01:24:08.040 and investigates into complaints of abuse and the violation of the law.

01:24:12.320 And oftentimes, those recommendations are then subject to political pressures and not

01:24:16.640 followed through on.

01:24:17.420 I think New Yorkers deserve a system where they know it won't then be assessed once again

01:24:22.240 that there's actually more to the recommendation in the investigation that's being done by the CCO.

01:24:26.640 Okay. We're wrapping up. Thank you.

01:24:28.100 Thank you, Mr. Mamdani.

01:24:29.100 Mr. Cuomo, do you believe changes are needed for how officers are disciplined?

01:24:33.820 And are there any powers that you would give up as mayor?

01:24:37.200 You have 30 seconds.

01:24:38.600 Yeah. I would not remove the police commissioner from the CCRB.

01:24:43.060 I'd leave it with the police commissioner.

01:24:45.520 I think Commissioner Tisha is doing a very good job.

01:24:47.460 I would trust her.

01:24:48.700 The difference between me and the assemblyman is he doesn't like the police.

01:24:53.040 That's why he won't hire more police when everyone else says we need more police.

01:24:58.160 He wants to use social workers on domestic violence calls, which are very dangerous.

01:25:02.900 And he's told you what he thinks. 0.92

01:25:06.240 He thinks the police are racist, wicked, corrupt, and a threat to public safety. 0.95

01:25:11.560 Thank you. 0.96

01:25:11.860 Those are his words.

01:25:13.220 Very quick.

01:25:13.700 Mr. Mamdani.

01:25:14.200 Mr. Mamdani, very quick.

01:25:15.300 Andrew Cuomo is a politician of the past, and all he can speak about are the tweets of the past in 2020.

01:25:21.020 Those are tweets which I have apologized for to New Yorkers and police officers directly,

01:25:25.540 and they are not what I am actually running on.

01:25:28.040 No, you haven't.

01:25:28.440 You're incapable of actually speaking about the platform that we have here,

01:25:31.260 which is one that will keep New Yorkers safe.

01:25:33.140 Can we just quickly ask you, because I think what some people feel they haven't heard from you,

01:25:36.820 we hear you saying that you don't believe that anymore and you've apologized.

01:25:40.380 People have not heard you sort of describe the evolution of your thought,

01:25:43.980 how you got from there to here.

01:25:46.380 You know, growing up in this city, I would think often about safety and justice

01:25:51.500 and the ways in which that that relationship has been irrevocably harmed.

01:25:55.980 When I learned about the exonerated five, when I learned about Sean Bell,

01:25:59.780 when I learned about Eric Garner, when I learned about Michael Brown,

01:26:02.280 and then in 2020, when I wrote these tweets, learning about the death of George Floyd,

01:26:08.100 and that was a moment where it felt as if the distance between these two ideals had never been further.

01:26:12.680 And in becoming an assembly member and serving and representing more than 100,000 people in Queens,

01:26:17.920 learning that to deliver justice means to also deliver safety.

01:26:20.680 And that means leading a city where you recognize the bravery of the men and women who joined the NYPD

01:26:26.240 and put their lives on the line.

01:26:27.640 It means representing the Muslims who were illegally surveilled in my district

01:26:31.060 and the black and brown New Yorkers who've been victims of police brutality.

01:26:34.360 So, Mr. Sliwa, you've been out there, you've been on the trains,

01:26:37.340 and I would like to know if you believe changes are needed of how officers are disciplined.

01:26:42.020 Let me just suggest, Zoran, what you've suggested...

01:26:47.200 Zoran, Zoran, Curtis.

01:26:47.900 Zoran.

01:26:48.420 Thank you.

01:26:49.240 Excuse me.

01:26:50.240 Appreciate it.

01:26:50.440 Let me just suggest what you have proposed with this new police outrage unit

01:26:56.280 will endanger women and children in domestic violence situations.

01:27:01.140 I know I've been involved in so many of them with the Guardian Angel. 0.98

01:27:04.060 They will be killed. 1.00

01:27:05.580 They will be maimed. 0.99

01:27:06.020 Number two, in dealing with emotionally disturbed persons that I have dealt with for all my years

01:27:12.060 as the Guardian Angels, you need trained professional police officers.

01:27:16.160 Yes, you can have mental health workers with them.

01:27:18.360 Thank you, Mr. Sliwa.

01:27:18.880 But that has been suggested.

01:27:20.600 It was done before by the homeless outreach unit.

01:27:22.520 We have other grounds to come.

01:27:23.260 And the guy you thought was the best man, Bill de Blasio, disbanded them.

01:27:26.600 Mr. Sliwa, thank you.

01:27:27.960 Brief response?

01:27:29.280 To be very clear, the Department of Community Safety is not about responding to calls of domestic violence.

01:27:34.420 We are speaking about mental health crisis and the homelessness crisis.

01:27:38.480 These are the focuses of the work that they will do.

01:27:40.220 All right.

01:27:40.420 We have other questions for that a little later in the debate.

01:27:42.540 But we want to just change the pace a little bit, candidates, switching gears to the high cost of living in New York City.

01:27:48.680 To kick us off, we have a few quick pocketbook questions that New Yorkers wrestle with daily.

01:27:53.460 So we want to know how much you spend a week on groceries.

01:27:56.400 We'll begin with you, Mr. Cuomo.

01:28:00.440 Depends how many times my daughters come over. 0.99

01:28:02.920 But probably about $150.

01:28:06.720 Okay.

01:28:07.120 Mr. Sliwa?

01:28:08.480 Oh, I'd say about $175 with a gallon of milk.

01:28:12.700 Now $5 and always rising up.

01:28:14.880 Loaf of bread.

01:28:15.860 Simple loaf of bread.

01:28:16.980 It used to be 99 cents.

01:28:18.520 It's like $3 now.

01:28:20.540 The price is too costly.

01:28:21.920 It's too costly.

01:28:22.880 It's a brief answer.

01:28:23.560 Thank you.

01:28:23.960 Mr. Momdani?

01:28:24.680 Yeah, I actually agree with Curtis on that.

01:28:26.300 It is too costly.

01:28:27.080 Now that eggs are down to less than $4, though, my average spend every week is about $125, $150.

01:28:33.420 All right.

01:28:34.040 Do you carry credit card debt or do you pay it off every month?

01:28:36.840 Mr. Momdani?

01:28:37.580 I pay it off every month.

01:28:38.940 Mr. Cuomo?

01:28:40.120 Pay it off.

01:28:41.340 Mr. Sliwa?

01:28:42.200 I don't have a credit card.

01:28:43.320 I have a debit card.

01:28:45.460 And for the record, what is your monthly rent or mortgage, Mr. Sliwa?

01:28:49.640 About $3,900.

01:28:52.100 It's not subsidized.

01:28:54.720 Mr. Momdani, what is your monthly rent or mortgage?

01:28:57.000 $2,300.

01:28:58.220 Mr. Cuomo?

01:28:59.420 He has a rent-stabilized apartment that a poor person is supposed to have.

01:29:03.140 Mine is about $7,800.

01:29:05.360 We are actually getting to that.

01:29:06.780 We're going to cover that subject.

01:29:08.380 Sally?

01:29:09.200 Thank you.

01:29:10.120 We're going to talk a little bit more about the runaway rent in this city.

01:29:13.780 Mr. Momdani, you're pledging to freeze rent for nearly 1 million rent-stabilized apartments.

01:29:18.320 That really affects less than half of all rentals in this city.

01:29:21.900 What is your plan for those who aren't in stabilized apartments but are struggling to pay the rent?

01:29:26.200 What are you going to do for them?

01:29:27.580 Well, I'm proud to say that I, yes, will freeze the rent for more than 2 million rent-stabilized tenants.

01:29:31.840 And I will also build 200,000 truly affordable homes across the five boroughs over the next 10 years

01:29:38.080 to ensure that tenants, whether rent-stabilized or market rate, can actually have more housing

01:29:42.820 such that they are not being priced out of this city.

01:29:45.300 And finally, I'm also going to make it easier for the private sector to build housing in this city

01:29:50.220 because what we see today is that it's not labor, it's not materials,

01:29:54.360 it's the weight that is often costing so many, so much to actually build the housing we need in this city.

01:29:59.720 Thank you.

01:30:00.220 And a follow-up for you, Mr. Momdani.

01:30:01.800 The cost of maintaining a building change year-to-year for landlords,

01:30:05.240 the Rent Guidelines Board is legally required to consider those costs when deciding whether to freeze rents.

01:30:10.780 So how can you promise a rent freeze today before ever seeing that data next year?

01:30:14.720 You know, we've seen the data time and again.

01:30:17.120 But next year's data.

01:30:18.080 It's been data that's been overruled by mayors again and again.

01:30:21.280 The last Rent Guidelines Board study showed that profits were up 12% for landlords of those units.

01:30:26.680 And what did they do?

01:30:27.520 They raised the rent, adding to more than 12% under Eric Adams' administration.

01:30:32.140 What I am speaking about is actually reflecting the needs of these New Yorkers and the state of the market today.

01:30:38.300 These are New Yorkers who have a median household income of $60,000.

01:30:41.680 We do not need to be pushing them further out of the city.

01:30:44.760 We need to keep them in their homes. 0.97

01:30:45.500 Aren't you saying in that answer that you are going to prejudge?

01:30:48.780 You will not have seen the data for next year and you're making a determination based on data you haven't seen.

01:30:54.080 I've seen the data year after year of the fact that salaries are stagnating, costs are up, New Yorkers can't actually afford their apartments.

01:31:01.820 And I will also take action to actually ensure that the landlords of those buildings can better handle their costs by taking on their insurance, their property taxes, and their water bills.

01:31:11.220 It is based on annual data and you haven't seen next year's data yet, but we're going to go to it more stuff.

01:31:13.360 Mr. Cuomo, I do have a question for you on this subject.

01:31:14.960 You have proposed something that you're calling Zoran's Law.

01:31:17.600 You think that Mr. Mamdani earns too much to live in his rent-stabilized apartment, though I should note that there are no income tests for rent-stabilized apartments.

01:31:26.440 But critics say your plan would force people to pay too much of their income towards the rent.

01:31:32.320 So if you think Mr. Mamdani is gaming the system, what about the other New Yorkers, thousands of them just like him, who earn similar salaries, who are living in similar apartments?

01:31:42.100 Okay, just to follow up on what Sally was saying, because she's right, this is not a new plan that the Assemblyman is talking about.

01:31:48.700 It's Bill de Blasio's plan.

01:31:50.100 It was called Freeze the Rent.

01:31:51.800 Bill de Blasio says the mayor can't say legally he's going to freeze the rent.

01:31:56.980 There's a Rent Guidelines Board.

01:31:58.260 There are certain considerations that have to be looked at.

01:32:01.300 You're right, Sally.

01:32:02.320 You can't say today what it's going to be in four years.

01:32:04.880 Also, Freeze the Rent only postpones the rent, because then you have to have an increase to cover the costs.

01:32:12.920 Otherwise, the building is going to go bankrupt.

01:32:15.200 And it does nothing for the majority of renters who aren't in these rent-stabilized units.

01:32:20.480 There's nothing for NYCHA.

01:32:21.900 There's nothing for homeowners. 0.87

01:32:23.200 There's nothing for people in black-brown communities who are getting priced out. 0.78

01:32:26.460 I was the HUD secretary.

01:32:27.940 I built affordable housing all across this nation.

01:32:30.620 I built affordable housing in this city when I was in my 20s.

01:32:33.940 I know how to get it done.

01:32:35.680 I will get it done on the rent-stabilized units.

01:32:38.600 What I'm saying is those are the precious units, and we should keep them for the most rent burden.

01:32:46.760 We have to move on.

01:32:47.440 But I have a question for you.

01:32:48.660 Sorry, he invoked me for much of that question.

01:32:50.840 Just a very brief response here.

01:32:52.180 He's very brief.

01:32:52.980 You know, you've heard it from Andrew Cuomo that the number one crisis in this city, the housing crisis,

01:32:57.220 the answer is to evict my wife and I.

01:32:59.440 He thinks you addressed this crisis by unleashing my landlord's ability to raise my rent.

01:33:04.480 If you think that the problem in this city is that my rent is too low, vote for him.

01:33:08.560 If you know the problem in this city is that your rent is too high, vote for me.

01:33:12.500 If I understand it correctly, Mr. Cuomo, your program, Zolan's law, would not evict Mr. Mamdano.

01:33:18.180 It would not evict it.

01:33:18.940 It would apply to people applying for apartments.

01:33:22.320 But the tenant advocates...

01:33:23.980 He made it up.

01:33:24.900 It would evict no one.

01:33:27.380 This, this, this...

01:33:28.060 It would be an income limitation.

01:33:29.900 We have to move on.

01:33:31.040 I have a question for Mrs. Sliwa.

01:33:32.220 This is like a spat in the schoolyard.

01:33:34.360 Let me see if you guys...

01:33:35.180 No, no, Mrs. Sliwa, Rosaria has a specific question for you on this.

01:33:37.640 Yeah, well, I wanted to talk about affordability and obviously address that issue.

01:33:41.560 So you've proposed, Mr. Sliwa, plans that would make a point of talking about the struggle of renters and property owners.

01:33:49.220 Describe your plan to help renters and landlords.

01:33:52.480 Well, first off, we have 6,000 available apartments that are mayor-controlled in NYCHA.

01:33:57.360 And they've been empty for years.

01:33:59.580 That, you address number one.

01:34:01.600 Then, we talk about senior citizens who are living here.

01:34:05.020 My whole goal is to improve and not to move.

01:34:07.600 I'm concerned about the seniors, especially those that own homes. 1.00

01:34:11.400 If they're 65 and make less than $250,000, no property tax because the property tax is way too high.

01:34:19.160 We need to cut it in half to keep people who are here. 1.00

01:34:22.340 And then, in terms of rentals, we have affordable housing that can be built in these huge skyscrapers.

01:34:28.860 You see them all throughout Manhattan and in northern Brooklyn and in Long Island City,

01:34:33.320 which we have 25 Empire State buildings full of commercial space that will never be occupied for office space.

01:34:41.960 We should be converting them into affordable apartments.

01:34:45.800 They're in dense areas.

01:34:47.140 The infrastructure can support it.

01:34:49.060 I'm the only candidate here who's against the city of yes that would destroy residential neighborhoods.

01:34:54.160 I'm sorry to interrupt you because we have a programming moment right now.

01:34:56.640 We're about halfway through the mayoral debate.

01:34:59.300 Channel 4 and Telemundo 47 will return to regular programming.

01:35:02.440 But we've got a lot to get to.

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01:35:13.100 A lot to discuss.

01:35:13.920 Gentlemen, gentlemen, thank you.

01:35:28.940 That was kind of a natural point for us to transition.

01:35:30.980 And we want to talk now about transportation and getting around town.

01:35:34.940 And we have a few quick questions about how you get around town.

01:35:37.220 Show of hands, even though they're in their waning days, who has a MetroCard or maybe uses OmniPay?

01:35:41.980 It uses OmniPay?

01:35:44.200 OmniPay, yeah.

01:35:45.420 MetroCard, I mean, I have one, but, you know, I know I'm hanging on to the last moment.

01:35:48.860 So you're on the subways, Mr. Slewell.

01:35:50.200 What do you use?

01:35:51.000 I'm just curious.

01:35:52.280 OmniCard.

01:35:52.760 In fact, I got a whole batch.

01:35:54.280 I'm in the subways.

01:35:55.340 I'm in the buses.

01:35:56.260 All right.

01:35:56.500 The express buses.

01:35:57.360 The only candidate who rides mass transit every day.

01:36:00.820 When you need to get somewhere fast and you can't take the train, do you hail a taxi?

01:36:04.800 Do you use rideshare?

01:36:06.060 Mr. Slewell, what do you do?

01:36:07.300 I try to avoid yellow cabs.

01:36:08.840 As you know, I was shot in the back of a yellow cab in 1992 by the Gatti's and Gambino's. 1.00

01:36:14.400 But I'd find my way around.

01:36:15.980 If I have to, I Uber if I can't get there by mass transit.

01:36:19.120 What do you do, Mr. Mamdani, if you can't take the train?

01:36:21.280 I would either take a cab or ride a bike.

01:36:23.780 Mr. Cuomo?

01:36:25.040 I would take a cab, Uber.

01:36:27.640 Okay.

01:36:28.120 All right.

01:36:28.400 Thanks, gentlemen.

01:36:28.740 Sally?

01:36:29.300 Thank you, David.

01:36:30.780 Let's talk about free buses.

01:36:32.680 Mr. Mamdani, this is a centerpiece of your campaign.

01:36:35.440 Can you explain how you will make buses free?

01:36:38.340 You have 30 seconds to answer.

01:36:40.060 Absolutely.

01:36:40.620 We will make buses free by replacing the revenue that the MTA currently gets from buses.

01:36:45.540 This is revenue that's around $700 million or so.

01:36:48.760 That's less money than Andrew Cuomo gave to Elon Musk in $959 million in tax credits when he was the governor.

01:36:54.340 And the reason that we will do so is that making buses free doesn't just provide economic relief, but also public safety.

01:36:59.780 Because what we've seen is that it decreases assaults on bus drivers by 38.9%.

01:37:04.740 New Yorkers deserve more than the slowest buses in the country. 0.96

01:37:07.980 I know that because I was on the M57 not too long ago, and its average speed is 4.9 miles an hour.

01:37:12.900 We're at time, though, but the question is how you'll make them free.

01:37:15.180 We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been brought in from fares.

01:37:18.620 And that's something that we would do in partnership with Albany.

01:37:21.220 And I've put forward two proposals.

01:37:22.920 The first is to raise taxes on the top 1% of New Yorkers by 2%.

01:37:26.480 That would raise $4 billion.

01:37:27.600 The second is to raise the state's top corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey, which would raise $5 billion.

01:37:32.680 We're going to move along, but I just want to point out to viewers that Governor Hochul has opposed raising the income tax.

01:37:38.420 But, Melissa, we'll move on to your question.

01:37:40.280 Could I address that on the buses?

01:37:42.000 Because half the people don't pay their bus fare to begin with, Zoran. 0.51

01:37:48.020 Zoran, Curtis Zoran.

01:37:49.280 It's a complete disaster.

01:37:50.800 If you have free bus fare, and the Citizens Budget Commission said just last year, 2024, a billion dollars of fare evasion in all different forms, this MTA system will collapse.

01:38:04.140 There's not enough money out there to make up for fare evasion.

01:38:07.660 Pay your fare.

01:38:08.580 If you don't pay your fare, they have fare programs for the poor and the indigent.

01:38:12.980 But everybody should be forced to pay their fare.

01:38:15.900 Mr. Cuomo, you had both praise and some criticism for Mr. Mondani's free bus pilots.

01:38:20.980 You're sort of in the middle on this issue.

01:38:22.660 What's your plan to make subways and buses more affordable?

01:38:25.620 Yeah, I think free buses is a mistake.

01:38:28.240 It costs about $700 million, just to give you an idea, that we only raise about $500 from congestion pricing.

01:38:34.480 It's been done before in other cities.

01:38:36.700 It was a disaster.

01:38:37.920 They stopped.

01:38:39.260 They basically became mobile homeless gathering places.

01:38:45.120 What I say is free buses for working families who can't afford it and free subways for working families.

01:38:52.660 But don't subsidize rich people on a bus.

01:38:56.560 And it's been tried and it's failed.

01:38:59.500 Mr. Mondani, can you just respond quickly on the point about the mobile homeless gathering places?

01:39:06.360 You know, this is something that we heard when we were fighting to make buses free in Albany

01:39:09.360 when we delivered the first fare-free bus lines in New York City history.

01:39:12.620 And what we saw is when we made one bus route free in each borough of New York City,

01:39:16.460 there was no increase in homelessness on those buses.

01:39:19.440 There was no increase in fare evasion in the surrounding area.

01:39:22.860 What there was was an increase in ridership of up to 38%.

01:39:25.760 Thank you, Mr. Mondani.

01:39:26.840 Candidates, maybe we can dig deeper on this

01:39:28.480 and get a sense of how all of you would pay for your big ideas.

01:39:31.540 Mr. Mondani, we'll start with you.

01:39:33.300 We've obviously been talking about free buses.

01:39:35.180 You've talked about free child care, city-run grocery stores.

01:39:38.120 So essentially, you're proposing about $10 billion in new spending.

01:39:42.360 And as you've indicated, you want to pay for it with tax increases.

01:39:45.320 But as Sally pointed out, Governor Hochul said no to raising income tax on millionaires.

01:39:49.440 So tell New Yorkers tonight how you're going to pay for all of this in one minute, if you can.

01:39:55.140 Look, a lot of people have called even my campaign a non-starter

01:39:57.760 when we first began.

01:39:58.960 And now I stand before you proud to be the Democratic nominee

01:40:01.860 who got the most votes in city primary history.

01:40:04.840 And I believe we will see the same thing with our push

01:40:08.300 to ensure that we are taxing the wealthiest

01:40:10.760 and the most profitable corporations the fair amount that they should pay.

01:40:14.200 Now, there are those who will say that because it will be hard,

01:40:16.900 you should give up.

01:40:17.580 We saw what giving up looked like when Andrew Cuomo was the governor.

01:40:21.300 He gave up on fighting for working-class New Yorkers

01:40:23.640 and instead caved in to his billionaire donors.

01:40:25.740 And what did we get? We have the fastest and most frequent helicopter service to the Hamptons,

01:40:30.000 and we have the slowest and more expensive bus service across the five boroughs.

01:40:33.800 But again, Mr. Ramdani, I know Governor Hochul indicated this week there may be some open windows,

01:40:38.860 but more or less income tax on millionaires is off the table, according to the governor.

01:40:42.720 Look, I've said very clearly,

01:40:44.320 making buses fast and free costs about $700 million a year.

01:40:47.540 Making universal child care a reality costs about $5 or $6 billion a year.

01:40:51.280 If you raise the state's top corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey,

01:40:55.280 you'd be raising $5 billion in and of itself.

01:40:56.980 I have a couple of follow-ups.

01:40:57.860 Mr. Schubert, you're next, but I have a couple of follow-ups.

01:40:59.400 I would just want to add one additional thing.

01:41:01.640 We have also put forward a plan to save money here in New York City

01:41:05.240 with a billion dollars in savings through procurement reform,

01:41:08.320 through following the Independent Budget Office's assessment

01:41:10.660 about hiring more fiscal auditors,

01:41:12.560 and in actually collecting the fines and fees from bad landlords across the city.

01:41:15.320 Just a quick couple of follow-ups.

01:41:16.720 If you could find some of the funding, but not all of it,

01:41:18.720 which of your priorities would come first?

01:41:21.280 What would be the first among equals that you would try to get done?

01:41:24.020 Well, freezing the rent doesn't require any fiscal infusion,

01:41:26.380 so that will be something we'll be pursuing immediately.

01:41:28.560 And universal child care after housing is the second cost.

01:41:32.380 Child care is the second cost pushing New Yorkers out of this city.

01:41:34.960 $22,500 a year is the estimate we've seen.

01:41:37.960 That will be a priority for us.

01:41:39.440 And I just want to know,

01:41:40.280 if you could get the money and funding elsewhere,

01:41:43.100 would you drop the call for the tax increase?

01:41:45.100 Absolutely.

01:41:45.600 The most important thing is funding these agenda items.

01:41:47.820 I think these are the two most important

01:41:49.720 and straightforward, direct ways to do so.

01:41:51.560 But if the money comes from elsewhere,

01:41:52.980 the most important thing is funding.

01:41:53.860 Melissa has a question for Mr. Sliwa.

01:41:54.940 Mr. Sliwa, you've been talking about cutting taxes and spending.

01:41:58.540 So what is your plan,

01:41:59.660 and how would you pay for your programs,

01:42:02.440 like 7,000 more cops?

01:42:04.680 Well, Zoran, boy,

01:42:06.460 your fantasies are never going to come about

01:42:10.100 in terms of funding everything you want

01:42:12.500 that's going to be free, free, free.

01:42:13.920 It's a fantasy.

01:42:14.740 Let's deal with the reality.

01:42:15.820 7,000 cops.

01:42:17.800 You already have a plan in Boston

01:42:19.600 where you pay for taxes in the future.

01:42:23.540 This is a great plan in which universities

01:42:26.040 and others who have bought up properties

01:42:28.560 that are now taken from the real estate market

01:42:31.840 and taken from property tax pay.

01:42:34.080 We could raise a billion dollars

01:42:35.740 from Columbia University, NYU,

01:42:38.300 that are in the real estate business,

01:42:40.040 and Madison Square Garden,

01:42:41.580 your friends, Andrew Cuomo, Jimmy Dolan,

01:42:43.880 who pays no property taxes.

01:42:45.560 That's how you raise a billion dollars

01:42:47.560 to get 700 police officers trained,

01:42:50.620 vetted, and out into the streets

01:42:52.220 in the five boroughs.

01:42:53.600 And then the police will be on the subways,

01:42:56.400 and they will be patrolling the old-fashioned way

01:42:58.700 where they need it,

01:42:59.620 going up and down the moving subway cars

01:43:02.320 where people want to see the visual protection,

01:43:05.280 especially women who are being assaulted, 0.66

01:43:07.600 perved.

01:43:07.860 And like we saw this morning on 86th Street,

01:43:10.800 a woman with a gun to her head, 0.86

01:43:12.820 an armed robbery,

01:43:14.120 because we don't have enough cops. 0.60

01:43:15.760 I have a question for you in this topic,

01:43:17.680 and let's talk about history,

01:43:18.880 because as governor, you've raised and cut taxes.

01:43:22.220 Now you're proposing some tax release.

01:43:25.060 What's the price tag for your proposals,

01:43:27.220 and where will you get the money?

01:43:29.060 For example, 5,000 new police officers.

01:43:32.160 You have a minute to answer.

01:43:33.640 Yeah.

01:43:33.940 I think Sally's question was very well taken.

01:43:37.540 The assemblyman's whole plan is based on a myth.

01:43:41.200 He's going to raise taxes.

01:43:42.860 Albany's going to raise taxes statewide on corporations,

01:43:46.020 but the money's only going to go to New York City.

01:43:48.360 That could never happen.

01:43:50.180 It's not just that the governor wouldn't support it.

01:43:52.060 It's impossible.

01:43:53.700 He said he's going to raise the taxes

01:43:55.080 the same as New Jersey, corporate tax.

01:43:57.160 No, it would be double the tax.

01:43:59.140 You would see New Yorkers on I-95

01:44:01.080 fleeing to Florida.

01:44:03.360 We would be alone.

01:44:05.680 So you have to be realistic with revenue.

01:44:08.660 You have a $115 billion budget.

01:44:11.220 You have to go through that city budget

01:44:13.380 and find savings.

01:44:15.380 I started the state,

01:44:16.740 which is double the budget of the city,

01:44:18.980 at a $10 billion deficit.

01:44:21.060 I closed it and added services.

01:44:24.240 And we can do the same with New York City.

01:44:27.020 Governor, as mayor,

01:44:27.880 you would not increase spending

01:44:29.480 in the New York City budget, yes or no?

01:44:31.320 There would be whatever additional spending

01:44:34.240 would be revenue neutral.

01:44:36.500 It's impossible.

01:44:37.700 You've got to cut taxes for people to stay here. 1.00

01:44:40.860 Thank you.

01:44:41.140 The corporations are not going to stay here.

01:44:43.280 They're being lured south.

01:44:45.500 The cities that are more corporate friendly.

01:44:47.140 You've got to cut the property tax.

01:44:48.900 All right, Mr. Slewa, thank you.

01:44:49.620 Income tax for those who are 19 to 28

01:44:51.900 with skill levels if they go to school here.

01:44:54.100 Thank you, Mr. Slewa.

01:44:55.040 Andrew Cuomo thinks it's all right

01:44:56.780 to spend $60 million

01:44:57.920 to fund his legal defense

01:45:00.500 from accusations of more than a dozen women

01:45:02.680 of sexual harassment.

01:45:03.920 But if I say we should spend

01:45:05.060 the same amount of money

01:45:06.300 on delivering cheaper groceries in this city

01:45:08.520 through a pilot program,

01:45:09.540 that is unfathomable.

01:45:11.500 Quick, David, I have a right to respond to that.

01:45:13.240 Yes, quickly.

01:45:14.220 First, I did not bring those lawsuits.

01:45:17.280 That was brought by the attorney general,

01:45:20.300 which I said was political.

01:45:21.760 Well, those lawsuits were filed

01:45:23.040 by individual women,

01:45:24.360 and some of them have still been making their way

01:45:26.440 through the courts this year and now.

01:45:28.260 Yes, and I've been dropped from the cases.

01:45:30.100 Not all of them.

01:45:31.200 Yeah.

01:45:31.380 And what the assemblyman doesn't say is

01:45:34.620 all this money that he wants to pass,

01:45:37.220 the one thing he did do is

01:45:38.820 he voted for a pay raise for himself.

01:45:41.240 They're the highest-paid legislators

01:45:42.840 in the United States.

01:45:44.340 I did ask the state controller's office this week.

01:45:47.820 I did ask the state controller's office this week.

01:45:50.280 The total was above $60 million.

01:45:52.560 But just those sexual harassment cases

01:45:54.800 to defend Governor Cuomo and his staff

01:45:57.820 was about $21 million.

01:45:59.320 Sorry, it was the sexual harassment and...

01:46:01.240 I just want to clarify because you said 60,

01:46:03.000 but on those cases, it was 21.

01:46:04.300 Okay, thank you.

01:46:05.200 We have to talk about quality of life in the city.

01:46:07.680 Let's turn to everyday life in the city

01:46:08.980 and some issues a mayor can directly impact.

01:46:11.580 We start with a couple of questions about 3-1-1.

01:46:14.440 The number New Yorkers call or text

01:46:16.500 for non-emergency help.

01:46:18.920 First off, have you ever called 3-1-1,

01:46:20.660 and if so, for what?

01:46:21.800 Mr. Momdani?

01:46:22.740 I called 3-1-1 for issues with my heating

01:46:25.500 in my apartment,

01:46:26.420 and I've spoken to New Yorkers time and time again

01:46:28.700 who are frustrated by the fact

01:46:30.340 that they can track their Uber Eats block by block,

01:46:34.120 but when they call 3-1-1

01:46:35.200 for them to come to their apartment,

01:46:36.840 it's just a question of hoping and praying that they do.

01:46:39.140 There's no actual appointment.

01:46:40.600 That's something that we would change.

01:46:41.680 All right, Mr. Sliwa, have you ever called 3-1-1?

01:46:43.800 You know, there used to be that song,

01:46:45.180 9-1-1 is a joke by Public Enemy.

01:46:47.400 3-1-1 is a joke.

01:46:49.460 You can call it over and over and over again,

01:46:52.480 and you never get a response.

01:46:53.120 Have you ever?

01:46:53.800 Have you?

01:46:54.080 The analytics are when the operators talk to you

01:46:57.060 as I talk to them.

01:46:57.940 Have you called?

01:46:58.720 Yes, I've called them many times and got no response.

01:47:01.660 Mr. Quobble?

01:47:02.020 Most citizens I talk to on the subways and streets

01:47:04.540 never get good responses from 3-1-1.

01:47:06.780 Thank you, Mr. Sliwa, for a short answer.

01:47:07.300 Mr. Quobble?

01:47:07.860 I've heard a lot of complaints about 3-1-1,

01:47:10.220 so I actually made a call to 3-1-1 myself

01:47:13.200 to see if the complaints were bona fide,

01:47:16.520 and I was dropped twice.

01:47:21.340 Then they were going to send someone

01:47:22.900 to help a homeless woman in distress,

01:47:27.260 and no one showed up.

01:47:28.460 You're all expressing frustration.

01:47:30.240 Last year, 3-1-1 received 38 million contacts

01:47:33.280 from New Yorkers, from calls to the website.

01:47:36.480 Wanted to know if you had a sense across five boroughs

01:47:38.840 what the top two categories of complaints were.

01:47:41.280 What do you think they were, Mr. Sliwa?

01:47:44.180 Potholes, constantly potholes.

01:47:46.800 People's undercarriages ripped out,

01:47:48.740 ball bearings, alignments.

01:47:50.700 Second one, top two? 0.71

01:47:52.320 Rats.

01:47:52.880 Rats, okay. 0.58

01:47:53.520 Oh, the city is flooded with rats. 0.56

01:47:55.460 Mr. Cuomo, what do you think the top two complaints were? 1.00

01:47:57.840 Homeless and trash rats. 0.97

01:48:01.780 All right, Mr. Momdani? 1.00

01:48:03.220 There was housing and noise.

01:48:04.820 Okay, so the answer is noise and illegal parking,

01:48:07.760 and we're going to stick with quality of life.

01:48:09.660 Rosarina?

01:48:10.280 That's right, and let's talk about noise candidates

01:48:12.440 because they fall into these two categories.

01:48:16.020 First of all, it's the residential one.

01:48:17.740 That's the neighbors and the loud music.

01:48:20.300 And the second one is the street or sidewalk,

01:48:22.980 everything with the loud construction and workers outside.

01:48:26.200 So, Mr. Cuomo, as mayor, what can you do to help the city

01:48:30.980 that never sleeps get a little bit of rest, Mr. Cuomo?

01:48:35.160 Yeah, look, I think if the 3-1-1 system worked well,

01:48:40.340 if there was actually contact with people,

01:48:43.500 I think New Yorkers would get it.

01:48:45.180 I think New Yorkers would be responsive.

01:48:47.380 I think we have to change the ethos in this city,

01:48:51.280 the ethic in this city.

01:48:53.020 Right now it's toxic, it's divisive,

01:48:56.200 everyone's angry at everyone.

01:48:58.780 I think when we have public safety that's functional again,

01:49:02.460 and New Yorkers are part of that system,

01:49:06.420 I think they would be more cooperative than you think.

01:49:09.180 Thank you. Thank you very much.

01:49:09.740 There's no proposal there.

01:49:10.760 Mr. Shliwa, how would you quiet a little bit

01:49:14.120 the city that never sleeps?

01:49:15.800 In the outer boroughs, I see problems all the time,

01:49:18.600 quality of life issues.

01:49:20.400 18-wheel tractor trailers, RVs parked everywhere.

01:49:24.580 Garbage that's not picked up and collected.

01:49:27.600 In the city, we've seen trash cans taken away

01:49:30.860 by the sanitation department, Jessica Tisch,

01:49:33.660 when she was the commissioner.

01:49:35.200 The quality of life has diminished noticeably.

01:49:38.200 So naturally, people are going to revert to 3-1-1.

01:49:41.560 But it's important that a mayor be able

01:49:44.240 to provide services to all the people.

01:49:47.780 And they believe if quality of life is diminished,

01:49:51.120 the next stop is sell your house and leave the city.

01:49:54.540 And my goal is to improve and not move.

01:49:58.060 Mr. Mamdani, your turn.

01:50:00.000 What we've seen is one of the biggest sources of noise

01:50:02.480 in this city is from congestion.

01:50:03.980 And with the implementation of congestion pricing,

01:50:06.480 we've actually seen noise complaints drop

01:50:08.420 in the congestion zone.

01:50:09.900 And so I would continue to find ways to ensure

01:50:12.160 that we have reduced congestion across the city.

01:50:14.240 And one of the ways is by making the slowest buses

01:50:16.680 in America ones that are fast and free,

01:50:18.920 so that New Yorkers can not only live a life

01:50:21.680 of excellent quality of life,

01:50:23.340 but also be able to get around this city

01:50:25.120 without having to worry if they have $2.90

01:50:27.320 or soon to be $3 in their pocket,

01:50:29.660 which is already out of reach for one in five New Yorkers.

01:50:32.100 We have here the author of congestion pricing

01:50:35.520 and we have the apprentice of congestion pricing.

01:50:37.920 Okay, we might need a-

01:50:38.780 I'm the only candidate who's opposed to congestion pricing.

01:50:41.620 Thank you.

01:50:41.960 It is led storefront closing

01:50:44.400 because they don't have enough food.

01:50:46.120 We have other quality of life issues.

01:50:47.300 We need to move on,

01:50:47.780 otherwise we might have to place a call to 311

01:50:49.940 about candidates going over there a lot of times.

01:50:52.580 Okay?

01:50:53.140 So we're going to move on to-

01:50:54.420 No one's there, don't worry.

01:50:55.120 We're going to move on to illegal parking plaques

01:50:57.720 in many neighborhoods.

01:50:58.500 Recently, council member Lincoln Ressler

01:51:01.280 released a study that found 450 vehicles

01:51:04.440 parked illegally during the day in downtown Brooklyn,

01:51:07.600 many with fake or government placards.

01:51:09.780 That's just one snapshot of the city,

01:51:11.900 but you hear similar complaints everywhere.

01:51:14.140 So how would you fix this specific situation?

01:51:16.800 You'll have 30 seconds.

01:51:17.780 Mr. Sliwell, we'll begin with you.

01:51:19.560 Well, obviously placards have been abused consistently.

01:51:22.820 You have people who've created fake placards.

01:51:25.160 Not only that, you have people with fake license plates,

01:51:28.880 paper plates.

01:51:30.120 There's all violations against the Department of Transportation

01:51:33.340 rules and regulations of where you can park a vehicle.

01:51:36.720 There's just no enforcement.

01:51:38.260 And that's because we don't have police.

01:51:40.700 We have these e-bikes going up and down.

01:51:43.740 We have the motorbikes.

01:51:45.240 They're not following rules and regulations.

01:51:47.300 They should be licensed.

01:51:48.780 They should have a way of being identified.

01:51:52.120 This way, enforcement can take place because people are terrified

01:51:55.720 walking out into the streets.

01:51:57.040 Mr. Mamdani, your plan for illegal parking?

01:51:59.240 We have to showcase that accountability is true,

01:52:02.020 whether for New Yorkers who are just living in this city

01:52:04.180 or those who are working for this city.

01:52:06.060 And the violation of traffic laws are violations,

01:52:08.220 no matter who is doing it,

01:52:09.420 and to show that that accountability is something

01:52:11.300 my city government's actually going to pursue.

01:52:12.920 Okay.

01:52:13.360 Mr. Cuomo.

01:52:14.620 On the quality of life, you're right,

01:52:16.580 is very, very important.

01:52:18.460 On the placards, I would make it simple.

01:52:21.100 I would recall all the city placards

01:52:23.420 and reissue only those that are bona fide, period, on day one.

01:52:29.300 On the quality of life issues,

01:52:31.440 the worst thing that could happen is

01:52:33.200 if the Assemblyman's proposal for legalizing prostitution went through,

01:52:37.980 that would be terrible for the quality of life.

01:52:40.600 He also doesn't want to enforce misdemeanors.

01:52:42.860 We're getting to that, Mr. Cuomo.

01:52:43.680 That's assault, larceny, et cetera.

01:52:45.880 That would be terrible.

01:52:46.620 We're going to have time to address that.

01:52:47.500 I want to be very clear.

01:52:48.400 Not only have I never called for the legalization of prostitution,

01:52:51.620 I'm not calling for that today either,

01:52:53.580 and I also have never said anything about not enforcing misdemeanors.

01:52:57.240 This is just yet another figment of Andrew Cuomo's imagination.

01:53:00.560 The DSA, which you give part of your salary to,

01:53:04.700 that's their position, abolish jails,

01:53:06.860 no new carceral facilities,

01:53:08.660 don't enforce misdemeanors,

01:53:09.800 and you're on the bill in Albany

01:53:12.480 as a sponsor to decriminalize prostitution.

01:53:17.360 The difference between myself and Andrew Cuomo,

01:53:19.740 of which there are many,

01:53:20.840 is that there is no one that is actually telling me what to do

01:53:23.820 other than the 8.5 million people who call this city home.

01:53:26.620 If you want my policies, you'll find them on my website.

01:53:29.000 Who told you to legalize prostitution? 1.00

01:53:30.820 Okay, wait a minute.

01:53:31.700 We actually have a question.

01:53:32.580 Andrew, you can't escape this.

01:53:34.240 You signed the law,

01:53:35.900 doing away with loitering for prostitution.

01:53:38.760 That was the law put forward by Jesse Tomlinson.

01:53:41.300 Gentlemen, since you started the prostitution

01:53:43.520 in East Elmer and Jackson Heights and Flushing.

01:53:48.380 Mr. Sliwa, we have...

01:53:49.700 And you want to add to it,

01:53:51.020 which diminishes the quality of life.

01:53:53.200 Mr. Sliwa, when I talk over you,

01:53:54.880 nobody's hearing you,

01:53:55.600 and we actually have a question on that.

01:53:56.940 So we'll let Rosarina ask.

01:53:58.260 And for this question, candidates,

01:53:59.620 we want to come to Queens,

01:54:01.180 where we know that prostitution has been an ongoing complaint.

01:54:05.380 Mayor Adams' force form a task force

01:54:07.920 and order sweeps by the NYPD,

01:54:10.120 but the situation continues,

01:54:12.940 especially around the very popular Roosevelt Avenue.

01:54:16.060 As mayor, Mr. Mandani,

01:54:17.960 how would you handle this situation?

01:54:19.860 You have 30 seconds.

01:54:21.620 I want to first be clear that I am not,

01:54:24.220 and nor have I ever called

01:54:25.320 for the legalization of prostitution.

01:54:27.060 And if you are happy with what's happening

01:54:28.520 on Roosevelt Avenue,

01:54:29.460 then you should vote for Andrew Cuomo,

01:54:31.400 because his policy is to continue

01:54:32.820 the exact same ones we've seen under Eric Adams.

01:54:35.700 My policy is to actually take on sex trafficking,

01:54:39.200 to have a zero tolerance for violence against women,

01:54:41.840 and to follow the advice of district attorneys

01:54:44.320 that we have here in New York City,

01:54:45.860 the current Manhattan DA,

01:54:47.120 the former Manhattan DA,

01:54:48.320 the current Brooklyn DA,

01:54:49.680 the former Manhattan DA having said

01:54:51.400 that prosecuting women for prostitution

01:54:53.940 is something that actually leads to less safety.

01:54:56.300 And what we need to do

01:54:57.320 is provide an economy of opportunity.

01:54:59.220 Just a quick clarification.

01:55:01.880 So no legalization.

01:55:04.020 How about decriminalization?

01:55:06.440 I do not think that we should be prosecuting

01:55:08.640 women who are struggling, 0.89

01:55:10.180 who are currently being thrown in jail,

01:55:11.860 and then being offered job opportunities.

01:55:14.080 I think we should be actually providing

01:55:15.580 those kinds of opportunities

01:55:16.780 at the first point of interaction.

01:55:18.220 Mr. Cuomo, your turn.

01:55:21.600 Look, Bill de Blasio,

01:55:24.200 the assemblyman is a mini-me BDB, okay?

01:55:27.420 He's Bill de Blasio-lite.

01:55:29.700 He proposed legalizing prostitution.

01:55:32.740 He didn't get it,

01:55:33.480 and he just told the cops, 0.82

01:55:35.080 don't arrest any more prostitutes.

01:55:36.960 There is a bill in Albany that he signed

01:55:38.720 that says the prostitution, 1.00

01:55:42.520 that a woman who is a prostitute, 0.99

01:55:45.300 that would be decriminalized.

01:55:47.740 That is what the bill says.

01:55:50.320 And that's what he said,

01:55:51.920 if you listen very carefully.

01:55:53.260 That would take Roosevelt Avenue

01:55:54.860 and explode it

01:55:56.260 because it would make it legal 1.00

01:55:58.860 for prostitutes. 1.00

01:56:00.560 But real quick, 0.99

01:56:01.040 how would you handle this situation?

01:56:02.480 You have to enforce the law.

01:56:03.780 It's illegal.

01:56:04.380 I went to Roosevelt Avenue.

01:56:05.620 I talked to the store owners.

01:56:06.960 I talked to the neighbors.

01:56:08.260 I walked down Roosevelt Avenue 0.95

01:56:09.640 with prostitutes there 1.00

01:56:10.760 at 9 o'clock in the morning. 0.89

01:56:11.960 Your turn, Mr. Siwa.

01:56:12.840 I've dealt with this back in the 80s and 90s

01:56:15.880 in Hell's Kitchen in Chelsea

01:56:17.220 when they were overrun

01:56:18.440 with open-air prostitution and Times Square. 0.98

01:56:22.320 You don't go after the women.

01:56:24.200 The women are the victims here. 1.00

01:56:25.820 You lock up the Johns.

01:56:27.500 You shame the Johns.

01:56:28.460 You let everybody know about the Johns. 0.78

01:56:30.400 The madams and the pimps

01:56:31.660 need to be prosecuted

01:56:33.200 to the fullest extent of the law.

01:56:35.000 And these absentee landlords

01:56:36.760 who knowingly rent their rooms,

01:56:39.880 their apartments out

01:56:41.000 for the use of prostitution,

01:56:42.820 the Department of Building

01:56:43.820 should come in, padlock the building,

01:56:45.780 seize the building.

01:56:46.860 Because many of these landlords

01:56:48.000 live in Delray, Florida.

01:56:49.900 They did back in the 80s and 90s

01:56:52.120 when we did it in Chelsea

01:56:53.480 and Times Square and Hell's Kitchen.

01:56:55.780 And they're doing it again.

01:56:57.260 And there's no enforcement.

01:56:59.380 That's why the prostitution... 1.00

01:57:01.040 We're going to go to Sally now.

01:57:02.820 Thank you, David.

01:57:03.500 We're going to talk a bit

01:57:04.500 about experience and beliefs.

01:57:06.160 We've covered a lot of ground tonight,

01:57:07.640 but we want to probe a bit deeper

01:57:09.080 into each of your mindsets

01:57:10.480 and how you'll approach

01:57:11.600 governing as mayor.

01:57:13.280 Mr. Cuomo,

01:57:14.000 you have touted your experience

01:57:15.260 on the campaign trail

01:57:16.180 time and again,

01:57:17.020 but you pretty squarely

01:57:18.400 lost the Democratic primary

01:57:19.760 to Mr. Mamdani,

01:57:20.940 forcing you,

01:57:21.480 a lifelong Democrat,

01:57:22.640 to run as an independent.

01:57:24.300 When you announced that decision,

01:57:25.740 you said, quote,

01:57:26.540 when you get knocked down,

01:57:28.020 learn the lesson

01:57:28.620 and pick yourself back up.

01:57:30.120 What lesson did you learn

01:57:31.500 and what do you feel

01:57:32.180 it said about you,

01:57:33.280 something you did wrong,

01:57:34.680 something that you need

01:57:35.900 to change about yourself?

01:57:36.980 Yeah, I think

01:57:38.240 in the primary campaign,

01:57:40.400 I did not do enough

01:57:41.580 on social media,

01:57:42.960 which is a very effective medium now.

01:57:45.940 I think the Assemblyman

01:57:47.760 did do a better job

01:57:48.920 on TikTok and social media

01:57:50.980 than I did during the campaign,

01:57:52.880 and that has changed now.

01:57:56.420 I've also increased

01:57:58.580 my activity significantly,

01:58:00.980 but my agenda

01:58:04.000 is exactly the same.

01:58:05.920 I am the Democrat,

01:58:08.300 although I'm not

01:58:08.780 on the Democratic line.

01:58:10.840 He is a Democratic socialist

01:58:12.880 called Barack Obama, 1.00

01:58:14.840 evil and a liar. 0.99

01:58:16.380 Didn't vote for Kamala Harris. 0.99

01:58:18.580 Fight and deliver is,

01:58:20.240 I will fight for people,

01:58:21.900 I will fight the bureaucracy,

01:58:23.520 and I will deliver results.

01:58:25.800 New Yorkers need the mayor

01:58:27.200 to get something done.

01:58:28.660 This is all words and theories.

01:58:31.380 I am a manager

01:58:32.760 who can actually get things done.

01:58:33.960 This is a question

01:58:34.040 about self-reflection.

01:58:35.480 Is the thing you're reflecting

01:58:36.620 on the most

01:58:37.180 that you need to be

01:58:37.800 on social media more?

01:58:38.880 Was there any other

01:58:39.600 deeper lesson?

01:58:40.480 Between the two campaigns,

01:58:42.920 social media,

01:58:44.520 more accessibility.

01:58:45.900 Okay.

01:58:46.580 I just have to say,

01:58:47.880 it's been an hour

01:58:48.720 and 20 minutes

01:58:49.580 of this debate,

01:58:50.280 and we haven't heard

01:58:51.120 Governor Cuomo

01:58:52.160 say the word affordability.

01:58:53.560 That's why he lost the primary.

01:58:55.500 That's why he'll lose

01:58:56.640 the general election.

01:58:57.500 And you can lie all you want,

01:58:58.860 but the truth is,

01:58:59.800 I voted for Kamala Harris.

01:59:01.100 I'm the only candidate

01:59:01.900 on this stage

01:59:02.520 to have the endorsement

01:59:03.600 of Kamala Harris,

01:59:04.440 and I'm not the one

01:59:05.380 who's funded by Bill Ackman

01:59:07.080 who called Kamala Harris

01:59:08.420 unqualified to be

01:59:09.500 the vice president

01:59:10.060 of this country.

01:59:10.940 Okay.

01:59:11.360 May I respond?

01:59:12.280 Yes.

01:59:12.860 Brief response, please.

01:59:13.600 There are a lot

01:59:14.420 of New Yorkers

01:59:15.100 who support me,

01:59:17.000 and there are a lot

01:59:17.720 of Jewish New Yorkers

01:59:18.740 who support me

01:59:19.640 because they think

01:59:21.100 you're anti-Semitic.

01:59:23.080 So it's not about Trump

01:59:24.900 or Republican.

01:59:26.140 It's about you.

01:59:28.600 Do you think

01:59:29.780 he's anti-Semitic,

01:59:30.580 Mr. Kuhlman?

01:59:31.440 I don't make those judgments

01:59:32.640 about people.

01:59:33.480 Are you a racist? 0.84

01:59:34.420 Are you an anti-Semite? 0.99

01:59:35.680 I know there are many

01:59:36.820 Jewish people

01:59:37.560 who believe

01:59:37.980 he's anti-Semitic.

01:59:39.380 I believe not condemning

01:59:41.360 the globalized Antifada,

01:59:43.840 what he has said

01:59:44.780 about Hamas.

01:59:45.960 But, Mr. Kuhlman,

01:59:46.740 I can see where they

01:59:47.480 are enslavement.

01:59:47.640 I covered your speech

01:59:48.760 in an Upper West Side

01:59:51.760 synagogue where you said

01:59:52.920 anti-Zionism

01:59:53.900 is anti-Semitism.

01:59:55.500 There is no difference,

01:59:56.620 and you were talking

01:59:57.520 about Mr. Mamdani.

01:59:59.220 Is that not an allegation?

02:00:00.400 No, I make that statement

02:00:01.460 all the time.

02:00:02.160 I was referring

02:00:02.880 to Mamdani.

02:00:04.360 Okay.

02:00:04.660 All right.

02:00:05.000 Mr. Mamdani,

02:00:05.780 a brief response,

02:00:06.420 and then we have to move on.

02:00:07.360 I have denounced Hamas 0.68

02:00:08.520 again and again,

02:00:09.280 and it will never be enough

02:00:10.420 for Andrew Cuomo

02:00:11.440 because what he is willing

02:00:12.620 to say,

02:00:13.300 even though not on this stage,

02:00:14.560 is to call me,

02:00:15.720 the first Muslim

02:00:16.740 on the precipice

02:00:17.460 of leading this city, 0.92

02:00:18.520 a terrorist sympathizer,

02:00:19.700 is to send mailers

02:00:20.800 that artificially lengthen

02:00:22.360 my beard,

02:00:23.300 is to say to New Yorkers

02:00:24.760 that they should be fearful.

02:00:25.520 Melissa has a specific question

02:00:29.140 for you.

02:00:29.560 Mr. Mamdani,

02:00:29.780 you are the Democratic nominee,

02:00:32.020 and you're also a member,

02:00:33.500 as we've been discussing,

02:00:34.520 of a political organization

02:00:35.660 that may be less familiar

02:00:36.860 to New Yorkers,

02:00:37.760 the Democratic Socialists

02:00:38.880 of America,

02:00:39.680 which believes

02:00:40.600 in dismantling capitalism.

02:00:42.780 New York City

02:00:43.260 is the global headquarters

02:00:44.760 of the finance industry,

02:00:46.260 so how would you be

02:00:47.680 the mayor of Wall Street

02:00:49.180 and the DSA?

02:00:50.720 You have one minute.

02:00:51.400 I would be the mayor

02:00:52.360 of this entire city,

02:00:53.880 and that means ensuring

02:00:54.980 that the wealth

02:00:55.980 that we generate

02:00:56.560 in this city

02:00:57.120 is also wealth

02:00:58.020 that every single New Yorker

02:00:59.220 can actually feel

02:00:59.940 in their pockets,

02:01:00.760 because what we have today

02:01:01.880 is a system

02:01:02.840 that has generated

02:01:03.520 the most wealth

02:01:04.340 in the wealthiest country

02:01:05.520 in the history of the world

02:01:06.360 where one in four

02:01:07.400 of our neighbors

02:01:07.940 are living in poverty.

02:01:09.300 That's unacceptable.

02:01:10.340 We can't look at

02:01:10.980 500,000 kids hungry

02:01:12.680 every single night

02:01:13.480 as just the cost

02:01:14.680 of doing business

02:01:15.280 in this city.

02:01:15.880 That's something

02:01:16.340 we have to actually change,

02:01:17.700 and I'm going to do that

02:01:18.720 by fighting for my neighbors

02:01:20.600 in Queens

02:01:21.200 that I've come to know

02:01:22.100 who are not only

02:01:22.940 the ones who own teapots

02:01:24.600 and toy stores,

02:01:25.760 who own diners

02:01:26.980 and dry cleaners, 1.00

02:01:27.680 but also the ones

02:01:28.220 who work there,

02:01:29.020 because right now

02:01:29.840 all of them

02:01:30.600 are being pushed

02:01:31.280 out of this city

02:01:31.880 by corporate greed,

02:01:33.340 by private equity,

02:01:34.340 and by a politics

02:01:35.180 that refuses

02:01:35.980 to fight for them.

02:01:36.760 I will finally deliver

02:01:37.900 that politics.

02:01:37.940 Just a quick follow-up,

02:01:38.780 Mr. Mamdani,

02:01:39.660 a lot of Hispanic

02:01:40.680 that flee socialism

02:01:42.080 and are a little bit scared

02:01:43.660 to hear your policies.

02:01:44.880 What would you tell them?

02:01:46.100 Well, I would first say

02:01:46.940 that I wouldn't be here

02:01:47.860 without the support

02:01:48.520 of Latino New Yorkers,

02:01:49.540 because it was

02:01:50.100 the majority

02:01:50.500 of their support

02:01:51.220 that helped to make me

02:01:52.360 the Democratic nominee,

02:01:53.560 and what Democratic socialism means

02:01:55.420 is a belief in the dignity

02:01:57.080 of each and every New Yorker

02:01:58.480 and the responsibility

02:01:59.240 city government has

02:02:00.180 to deliver that dignity.

02:02:01.800 That's why I'm speaking

02:02:02.680 about child care,

02:02:03.660 because it's pricing out

02:02:04.600 New Yorkers from the city.

02:02:05.640 That's why I'm speaking

02:02:06.160 about freezing the rent,

02:02:07.180 because housing

02:02:07.740 isn't a human right 0.78

02:02:08.560 in the way that we practice

02:02:09.420 our politics in this city,

02:02:10.560 and that's why I'm talking

02:02:11.880 about making buses

02:02:12.620 fast and free,

02:02:13.400 because one in five New Yorkers

02:02:14.780 are being priced out

02:02:15.480 of public transit today.

02:02:17.340 Rosarina.

02:02:17.740 So, Mr. Sleewan,

02:02:18.660 I would like to talk to you,

02:02:20.140 because you were here

02:02:21.360 with us four years ago

02:02:22.920 in the same stage

02:02:24.100 for the general election debate,

02:02:25.920 and you lost it.

02:02:28.840 Why do you believe

02:02:29.840 New York is ready

02:02:30.780 to elect a Republican

02:02:32.280 this time around?

02:02:33.960 First off,

02:02:34.980 did I not warn you

02:02:36.160 four years ago

02:02:37.260 that Eric Adams

02:02:38.440 would be corrupt

02:02:39.700 and we would have chaos?

02:02:41.000 Did I not?

02:02:41.960 Of course I did,

02:02:43.080 and I get praised for that.

02:02:44.560 Now I'm trying to get people

02:02:45.920 to vote for me,

02:02:46.600 not just on the Republican line,

02:02:48.860 but also my wife Nancy,

02:02:51.180 who was the best thing

02:02:52.060 that's ever happened to me,

02:02:53.200 created the first ever

02:02:54.340 independent

02:02:55.460 Protect Animals line,

02:02:57.400 which calls for

02:02:58.060 no-kill shelters

02:02:58.980 and putting animal abusers

02:03:00.820 in jail.

02:03:01.580 But the other thing

02:03:02.480 that differentiates me

02:03:03.940 from both of my adversaries

02:03:05.540 is that I am opposed

02:03:07.160 to the city of yes,

02:03:08.660 which will destroy

02:03:09.820 the residential neighborhoods.

02:03:11.780 Both of them

02:03:12.560 are for the city of yes.

02:03:13.980 So when you vote for me,

02:03:15.440 whether on the Republican line

02:03:16.800 or the Protect Animals line,

02:03:18.820 turn your ballot over

02:03:19.960 and vote no

02:03:21.180 on all those initiatives

02:03:22.340 and referendums.

02:03:23.360 Imagine,

02:03:24.020 they've said,

02:03:24.560 how can you,

02:03:25.240 Curtis,

02:03:25.480 a Republican,

02:03:26.140 work with a Democratic majority

02:03:28.000 in the council?

02:03:29.120 Adrian Adams

02:03:29.940 is in agreement with me.

02:03:31.500 The Democratic city council people

02:03:33.280 are in agreement with me.

02:03:34.880 No to the city of yes,

02:03:36.260 which will take your homes

02:03:37.240 and provide you instead

02:03:38.980 with lithium-ion battery warehouses

02:03:41.300 next to your house,

02:03:42.380 which are like mini Chernobyl.

02:03:43.720 Thank you.

02:03:44.160 I'm the only candidate

02:03:44.920 who is opposed

02:03:46.020 to the city of yes.

02:03:47.100 Thank you.

02:03:48.560 I have a quick follow

02:03:50.420 to that, Mr. Sliwa.

02:03:51.380 How do you bring down costs

02:03:53.020 if you don't build more housing?

02:03:55.920 Oh, it's very simple

02:03:57.260 to build housing.

02:03:58.320 You just look in New York City.

02:04:00.220 We have so many dense areas

02:04:02.700 where you no longer

02:04:04.240 can use the commercial space.

02:04:06.660 They used to be office space.

02:04:08.460 And you just convert it

02:04:09.780 into residential housing.

02:04:11.180 You don't need to go

02:04:12.100 into the outer world.

02:04:13.020 You don't need to use

02:04:14.320 wetlands, parklands,

02:04:15.900 which they seek to do.

02:04:17.140 If you build a new building,

02:04:19.380 it takes five years.

02:04:20.820 If you convert... 0.52

02:04:21.760 All right, Mr. Sliwa, thank you.

02:04:22.800 We want to change the pace

02:04:23.840 here a little bit.

02:04:24.320 It can be done in a year.

02:04:24.840 We want to change the pace

02:04:25.700 and just get a sense

02:04:26.720 of what you think

02:04:27.220 about political leadership.

02:04:28.520 We're curious about

02:04:29.220 who you admire.

02:04:30.440 Who is the best

02:04:31.020 modern-day U.S. president?

02:04:32.560 Mr. Cuomo?

02:04:32.920 Modern-day?

02:04:36.780 Well, I'm partial.

02:04:38.960 I was Bill Clinton's

02:04:40.280 Housing and Urban Development Secretary.

02:04:42.420 We built affordable housing

02:04:43.780 all across the United States.

02:04:46.060 To Bill Clinton?

02:04:46.600 Empowerment zones.

02:04:48.120 I would say Bill Clinton.

02:04:49.180 Okay.

02:04:49.580 Mr. Momdani?

02:04:51.460 I would say FDR.

02:04:54.880 Mr. Sliwa?

02:04:56.160 Modern-day?

02:04:57.340 Modern.

02:04:57.640 I would say FDR also,

02:05:00.880 if that's modern-day.

02:05:02.680 Mr. Sliwa?

02:05:03.500 A man that ended up

02:05:04.700 being loved by Democrats

02:05:06.020 and Republicans alike,

02:05:07.900 the greatest governor

02:05:08.660 we've ever had in my lifetime,

02:05:10.200 George Pataki.

02:05:11.600 Three terms,

02:05:12.520 no chaos, no corruption.

02:05:14.000 I was asking...

02:05:14.480 And he actually beat...

02:05:15.380 President.

02:05:15.900 Mr. Sliwa,

02:05:18.600 modern-day U.S. president.

02:05:19.600 This governor

02:05:19.920 and this president...

02:05:20.380 Modern-day U.S. president.

02:05:21.740 Oh, who's the...

02:05:22.460 Yeah, who you thought

02:05:23.120 the best modern...

02:05:23.720 The best president

02:05:24.440 in our lifetime?

02:05:25.540 Yeah.

02:05:26.300 I would say

02:05:27.060 the best president

02:05:27.820 in our lifetime

02:05:28.740 that I've experienced.

02:05:30.400 I would go back

02:05:31.420 to Ronald Reagan.

02:05:32.540 Ronald Reagan.

02:05:32.980 Okay.

02:05:33.660 How about the best

02:05:34.480 New York City mayor,

02:05:35.460 Mr. Sliwa?

02:05:38.580 Best New York City mayor.

02:05:40.500 Rudy Giuliani,

02:05:41.580 who endorsed me last week.

02:05:43.120 Okay.

02:05:43.400 And I'd have a little bit

02:05:44.460 of Michael Bloomberg

02:05:45.220 thrown in

02:05:45.860 because he liked

02:05:46.540 the delegate responsibility.

02:05:47.800 I think the best

02:05:48.860 New York City mayor

02:05:49.460 of all time

02:05:49.940 is Fiorello LaGuardia.

02:05:51.540 Mr. Cuomo?

02:05:52.820 It was Bill de Blasio

02:05:54.060 last debate.

02:05:55.200 No, I've always said

02:05:55.960 Fiorello is the best mayor

02:05:56.920 of all time.

02:05:57.540 Who's yours, Mr. Cuomo?

02:05:59.320 Is it of all time

02:06:00.620 or modern time?

02:06:01.940 Best New York City mayor

02:06:02.880 in your...

02:06:03.140 Of all time,

02:06:03.900 it is Fiorello LaGuardia.

02:06:05.380 We agree.

02:06:07.340 Recently, I would say

02:06:08.680 Mayor Dinkins

02:06:09.740 and Mayor Bloomberg.

02:06:10.560 Okay.

02:06:11.060 How about the political leader,

02:06:12.520 dead or alive,

02:06:13.240 you most admire?

02:06:14.540 Mr. Mamdani?

02:06:16.080 I would say

02:06:16.880 I admire Bernie Sanders.

02:06:19.160 Mr. Cuomo?

02:06:20.220 My father.

02:06:21.960 Mr. Sliwa?

02:06:23.060 I said it already,

02:06:24.040 George Pataki,

02:06:24.980 who was loved

02:06:25.600 by Democrats

02:06:26.280 and Republicans

02:06:27.160 and the greatest mayor

02:06:28.400 in our lifetime.

02:06:29.920 All right.

02:06:30.200 The greatest governor

02:06:30.860 in our lifetime.

02:06:31.100 I just have one more

02:06:31.760 before Sally starts

02:06:32.560 to ask you about schools.

02:06:33.420 A show of hands.

02:06:34.240 Who supports

02:06:34.820 Kathy Hochul

02:06:35.380 for re-election?

02:06:37.160 It's a decision

02:06:37.840 that should be made

02:06:38.600 after this general election.

02:06:40.320 So no decision.

02:06:42.140 Mr. Cuomo,

02:06:43.380 you handpicked her

02:06:44.020 as your lieutenant governor.

02:06:45.200 No thought about it.

02:06:46.060 You have to know

02:06:46.720 who's running.

02:06:48.340 Yeah.

02:06:48.740 Okay, so...

02:06:49.440 And I would add

02:06:50.080 that I do think

02:06:50.740 that Kathy Hochul,

02:06:51.460 our governor

02:06:52.180 has been doing

02:06:52.800 a good job

02:06:53.780 in not only serving

02:06:54.720 and delivering...

02:06:55.520 Not only delivering

02:06:56.260 for New Yorkers

02:06:56.700 but also standing up

02:06:57.420 to Donald Trump.

02:06:58.140 Just what...

02:06:58.740 Do you support

02:06:59.080 her for re-election?

02:06:59.380 Then endorse her.

02:07:00.000 I'm focusing on November.

02:07:01.100 Why don't you endorse her?

02:07:01.960 And I appreciate her support

02:07:02.720 and I appreciate her work.

02:07:03.960 But you don't endorse her.

02:07:05.260 I'm about to shout out

02:07:06.200 for Lee Stefanik

02:07:07.320 to take out Kathy Hochul. 0.99

02:07:08.780 She has a Republican

02:07:09.640 Mayor Curtis,

02:07:10.760 a Republican governor

02:07:11.780 to Stefanik

02:07:12.500 like Giuliani

02:07:13.580 and Pataki

02:07:14.340 who saved the city

02:07:15.440 and state.

02:07:15.500 We want to talk

02:07:15.760 about school.

02:07:16.340 Sally?

02:07:16.640 Okay.

02:07:17.240 Thank you, David.

02:07:18.160 Let's turn to education.

02:07:19.340 There are a number

02:07:19.780 of issues facing public schools.

02:07:22.100 One that's been controversial

02:07:23.100 in the campaign

02:07:23.760 is the Gifted and Talented program

02:07:25.280 which offers

02:07:25.920 accelerated instruction

02:07:27.520 to elementary school children.

02:07:29.480 Mr. Momdani,

02:07:30.240 you have said

02:07:30.720 that you want to phase out

02:07:31.740 the Gifted and Talented program

02:07:33.000 while Mr. Cuomo

02:07:34.240 and Mr. Sliwa

02:07:35.240 want to expand it.

02:07:36.840 Mr. Sliwa,

02:07:37.480 we will start with you.

02:07:38.400 What is your plan

02:07:39.120 for the program?

02:07:39.920 You have one minute.

02:07:41.280 Gifted and Talented.

02:07:42.440 Yes,

02:07:42.780 Gifted and Talented.

02:07:43.660 I have two younger sons

02:07:45.320 with Melinda Katz,

02:07:46.820 the Queens DA.

02:07:47.880 They both attempted

02:07:48.960 to get into Gifted

02:07:49.940 and Talented

02:07:50.540 as four-year-olds.

02:07:52.180 They failed.

02:07:53.280 It did not present

02:07:55.280 a problem

02:07:55.940 with their future education.

02:07:57.880 We don't have enough slots.

02:07:59.280 Right now,

02:07:59.720 they're 1,900.

02:08:01.240 We need to have

02:08:01.960 at least 5,000 slots

02:08:03.440 around the city.

02:08:04.520 What they have not done

02:08:05.860 at the Department of Education

02:08:07.580 is make these tests available

02:08:09.460 in black

02:08:10.440 and Hispanic communities.

02:08:12.520 So, for instance,

02:08:13.700 you have 77,000 children

02:08:16.320 who are four years old.

02:08:19.540 Only 10,000

02:08:20.540 have taken the test.

02:08:21.800 Only 2,000 are accepted.

02:08:23.580 Why not offer the test

02:08:25.080 to all 77,000?

02:08:27.000 And even if a Gifted

02:08:28.200 and Talented class

02:08:29.260 only has three or four

02:08:30.600 in a minority school,

02:08:32.440 give these children

02:08:33.520 an opportunity

02:08:34.320 to excel, too.

02:08:35.420 That would make it fair

02:08:36.720 for everybody.

02:08:37.860 Thank you.

02:08:38.520 Mr. Cuomo,

02:08:39.060 how does your plan

02:08:39.780 differ from Mr. Sliwa

02:08:40.800 as you also have one minute?

02:08:41.900 Uh, first,

02:08:43.800 I support mayoral control.

02:08:45.720 I think it would be

02:08:46.160 a terrible mistake

02:08:47.160 to roll back mayoral control.

02:08:48.920 That's probably been

02:08:50.100 the most dramatic

02:08:51.020 educational reform

02:08:52.560 in 40 years.

02:08:53.600 We'd go back

02:08:54.240 to the old system

02:08:55.360 that had local school boards

02:08:57.680 which were corrupt,

02:08:59.280 patronage mills,

02:09:00.420 et cetera.

02:09:01.260 So, who runs the system

02:09:02.780 is number one.

02:09:04.060 I would expand

02:09:04.720 the Gifted

02:09:05.160 and Talented programs,

02:09:07.040 accessibility.

02:09:08.400 I'd offer preparatory courses

02:09:10.120 to any student, parent

02:09:11.900 that wanted to take them.

02:09:13.220 I'd double the number

02:09:14.440 of specialized high schools

02:09:16.160 from 9 to 18

02:09:17.740 and I would keep

02:09:19.400 the SHSAT

02:09:20.700 as it is.

02:09:24.240 Thank you.

02:09:24.860 And Mr. Momdani...

02:09:25.740 Can I add one thing?

02:09:27.260 Very brief.

02:09:27.600 There's been no discussion

02:09:28.560 about vocational high schools

02:09:30.140 which saves so many

02:09:31.300 young men and women.

02:09:32.180 Sorry, this is the question.

02:09:32.960 We need to expand

02:09:33.760 vocational training

02:09:34.840 for those who are not

02:09:35.780 going to achieve

02:09:36.360 academic excellence.

02:09:36.680 Okay, we're going to keep going

02:09:36.700 here with Mr. Momdani.

02:09:38.520 Why should the Gifted 0.84

02:09:39.460 and Talented program

02:09:40.320 be phased out in your opinion?

02:09:42.180 You have a minute to answer.

02:09:43.440 So, I want to be very clear.

02:09:44.680 I have spoken solely

02:09:46.080 of Gifted and Talented

02:09:47.480 for kindergarteners.

02:09:48.740 I do not believe

02:09:49.380 that kindergarteners

02:09:50.520 should be subject

02:09:51.380 to a singular assessment.

02:09:53.040 I have not spoken

02:09:53.780 of any Gifted

02:09:54.480 and Talented programs

02:09:55.280 older than for kindergarten.

02:09:56.700 I'm solely speaking

02:09:57.560 about kindergarten.

02:09:58.580 And I believe

02:09:59.400 that we should be delivering

02:10:00.800 the best education

02:10:02.320 across the country

02:10:03.560 here in this city.

02:10:04.240 We will do that

02:10:05.360 by following through

02:10:06.300 on the proposals

02:10:06.860 I've put forward

02:10:07.620 to hire a thousand

02:10:08.880 more teachers

02:10:09.500 every single year

02:10:10.600 through our

02:10:11.120 community-to-classroom program.

02:10:12.720 One that will ensure

02:10:14.040 that we're providing

02:10:14.740 each student,

02:10:16.080 whether they be

02:10:16.500 in high school

02:10:17.140 or someone who is an adult

02:10:18.340 looking to become a teacher,

02:10:19.800 with $12,000

02:10:20.760 in tuition subsidies

02:10:21.860 so that they can start

02:10:23.140 to fulfill

02:10:23.840 the 7,000 to 9,000

02:10:25.280 additional teachers

02:10:26.020 we need

02:10:26.720 so that we can actually

02:10:27.720 deliver on the

02:10:28.620 Class Size Reduction Act,

02:10:29.720 which I was proud

02:10:30.320 to pass in Albany,

02:10:31.380 that will ensure

02:10:31.960 that children and teachers

02:10:33.080 actually have a manageable

02:10:34.400 ratio in that classroom

02:10:35.460 so that they can learn.

02:10:36.760 Because today,

02:10:37.860 that learning is being

02:10:38.680 rendered impossible

02:10:39.540 by the number of kids

02:10:40.800 in that same classroom.

02:10:42.300 It's time to make sure

02:10:43.380 that that number is lower.

02:10:44.300 But you don't believe

02:10:45.300 the mayor should run

02:10:46.200 the system?

02:10:47.800 I've been critical

02:10:48.600 of mayoral control

02:10:49.580 because of the ways

02:10:50.340 in which it's been used

02:10:51.380 to take away the voice

02:10:52.800 of parents,

02:10:53.480 of educators,

02:10:54.100 of students.

02:10:54.860 I think it's important

02:10:55.680 that those same voices

02:10:56.740 be a part of how

02:10:57.640 we lead the system.

02:10:58.380 So are you for

02:10:59.420 or against mayoral control?

02:11:01.400 I've been critical of it.

02:11:02.520 I'm against mayoral control

02:11:03.600 and I think that there's

02:11:04.360 an importance of developing

02:11:05.380 something that actually

02:11:06.780 enshrines all of those

02:11:08.060 voices together.

02:11:08.640 Mr. Cuomo,

02:11:09.120 you also tried to curtail it

02:11:10.800 when Mayor de Blasio

02:11:11.660 was mayor.

02:11:13.180 I'm sorry.

02:11:13.480 Did you hear what she said?

02:11:16.140 No.

02:11:16.500 You proposed a curtailment

02:11:18.520 of mayoral control

02:11:19.300 when Mayor de Blasio

02:11:20.340 was mayor.

02:11:20.980 There's been multiple

02:11:21.940 modifications of mayoral control

02:11:23.600 over the years.

02:11:24.240 But some proposed

02:11:25.140 curtailment at your hands

02:11:26.140 so if you're such a champion

02:11:27.220 tonight,

02:11:28.080 I think it's worth pointing out.

02:11:29.240 I never proposed

02:11:30.300 reversing mayoral control.

02:11:31.600 No, shortening

02:11:32.280 the duration of time

02:11:33.800 he would have control

02:11:34.520 of schools.

02:11:34.980 Yes, for renewal.

02:11:36.520 The renewal period.

02:11:37.380 How much control

02:11:38.300 of schools,

02:11:39.020 Mr. Mondani,

02:11:39.720 how much control

02:11:40.740 of schools

02:11:41.180 would you be giving up?

02:11:42.520 Is it just a sharing

02:11:43.400 arrangement?

02:11:44.140 I know you want to share

02:11:44.840 with the districts

02:11:45.380 and with parents.

02:11:46.380 Or would you be giving up

02:11:47.280 full control?

02:11:48.780 And is that an

02:11:49.540 accountability problem

02:11:50.400 if the buck doesn't

02:11:51.200 stop with you?

02:11:52.260 I think the mayor

02:11:52.960 needs to retain

02:11:53.900 the accountability

02:11:54.920 so that New Yorkers

02:11:55.920 know exactly

02:11:56.700 who they can come to

02:11:57.860 when they have critiques.

02:11:58.680 And I think we also

02:11:59.280 have to develop a system

02:12:00.200 where we don't have

02:12:01.360 what we saw just recently

02:12:02.740 where you have hours

02:12:03.940 and hours of parents

02:12:05.040 and teachers

02:12:05.720 and students testifying

02:12:07.260 only to be overruled

02:12:08.440 without any consideration

02:12:09.500 by the panel on education.

02:12:10.520 Thank you.

02:12:10.880 Mr. Mondani,

02:12:11.460 I have to move on.

02:12:12.380 That's called mayoral control. 1.00

02:12:12.660 Switching now,

02:12:14.080 it's a question

02:12:14.500 for all three of you,

02:12:15.560 switching to students

02:12:16.300 with learning challenges.

02:12:18.000 Parents of students

02:12:18.780 with dyslexia,

02:12:20.160 ADHD,

02:12:21.040 and autism

02:12:21.620 are very well aware

02:12:23.100 of the fact

02:12:24.420 that the school system

02:12:25.440 in New York City

02:12:26.380 is not doing enough

02:12:27.460 to meet their children's

02:12:28.580 educational needs.

02:12:29.580 How will you help

02:12:31.000 these parents and students?

02:12:32.640 We know that Mayor Adams

02:12:33.600 has expanded evaluations

02:12:35.080 specifically for children

02:12:36.360 with dyslexia.

02:12:37.420 It was an issue

02:12:37.860 close to his heart,

02:12:38.820 but what would you do

02:12:39.880 more broadly,

02:12:41.120 Mr. Mondani?

02:12:42.300 You know,

02:12:42.480 I think some of the initiatives

02:12:43.420 that Mayor Adams

02:12:44.260 has launched,

02:12:45.020 especially with this chancellor,

02:12:46.440 have been showing

02:12:47.860 positive signs,

02:12:49.120 especially for literacy

02:12:50.000 and for preparedness,

02:12:51.400 especially as we're in

02:12:52.700 a national crisis

02:12:54.040 on reading

02:12:54.840 and mathematical comprehension.

02:12:56.140 And I think those

02:12:57.060 are programs

02:12:57.720 that should be furthered,

02:12:59.040 should be invested in,

02:13:00.040 all while also ensuring

02:13:01.220 that we're giving teachers

02:13:02.580 greater flexibility

02:13:03.640 in the curriculum

02:13:04.680 that they're actually teaching.

02:13:05.940 Because what I've heard

02:13:06.640 from many of those teachers

02:13:07.640 is that too often

02:13:08.700 the curriculum

02:13:09.200 that's being procured

02:13:10.120 in the $10 billion a year

02:13:11.920 in DOE contracts

02:13:12.960 is one that has

02:13:13.840 little relation to the classroom.

02:13:14.720 Thank you, Mr. Mondani.

02:13:15.540 Mr. Slewa,

02:13:16.020 you have 30 seconds.

02:13:16.920 Yes.

02:13:17.700 We have $41,000

02:13:19.420 that we're spending

02:13:20.320 on each student now.

02:13:21.460 By fourth grade,

02:13:22.320 two-thirds of these children

02:13:24.340 cannot read, write,

02:13:25.400 or do math

02:13:26.100 at grade level.

02:13:26.900 We should be ashamed

02:13:29.600 of ourselves for that.

02:13:30.580 100,000 less students

02:13:32.100 than we had last year.

02:13:33.560 One-third are truants.

02:13:35.420 We have 200 schools

02:13:36.920 with 200 students or less,

02:13:38.980 and Michael Mogu

02:13:39.940 determines which schools

02:13:41.380 stay open.

02:13:42.800 Eric Adams is not exhibiting

02:13:44.240 mayoral control.

02:13:45.380 The mayor should run

02:13:46.600 the Board of Education,

02:13:48.260 the old Board of Education

02:13:49.280 that is now

02:13:49.820 the Department of Education.

02:13:51.320 The bureaucracy...

02:13:51.900 You have 13 deputy chancellors.

02:13:54.980 You have 50 department heads

02:13:56.400 that suck up all the money, 0.97

02:13:58.260 and teachers are still

02:13:59.500 reaching into their pockets

02:14:00.980 to pay for badly needed supplies

02:14:03.140 for the children in the class.

02:14:04.780 The money should be going

02:14:05.900 to the teachers

02:14:06.660 and the children

02:14:07.520 and young adults,

02:14:08.440 and it's not.

02:14:08.940 Mr. Cuomo,

02:14:09.580 what is your specific plan

02:14:11.020 to deal with the challenges

02:14:12.820 of students

02:14:13.320 who have learning differences?

02:14:14.240 We are losing young families.

02:14:16.640 When their child

02:14:17.320 becomes of school age,

02:14:18.800 they leave the city,

02:14:19.780 they go to the suburbs,

02:14:20.660 they go to New Jersey,

02:14:21.520 they're not going

02:14:22.000 to sacrifice their child

02:14:23.280 on what they think

02:14:24.160 is the secondary education system.

02:14:26.400 The core competency,

02:14:28.200 reading and math,

02:14:29.400 below 50%,

02:14:30.480 is a disgrace.

02:14:32.320 The gifted and talented programs

02:14:33.940 gives people hope.

02:14:35.500 I do believe Mayor Adams

02:14:37.200 has made progress

02:14:38.320 on the evaluations

02:14:39.620 and services

02:14:40.420 for children

02:14:41.520 who require special needs

02:14:42.980 and assistance,

02:14:44.160 but obviously,

02:14:45.160 we have to do more.

02:14:46.240 So we have another question

02:14:47.480 about improving schools,

02:14:49.160 and in the last year,

02:14:50.760 the schools enroll

02:14:52.020 more than 36,000

02:14:53.720 migrant students,

02:14:55.080 many learning English

02:14:56.480 for the first time,

02:14:57.740 from class size

02:14:58.900 to bilingual teachers.

02:15:00.240 That puts a big strain

02:15:01.380 in the system.

02:15:02.520 Mr. Cuomo,

02:15:03.340 what can you do

02:15:04.380 to help migrant students,

02:15:06.000 but also the staff?

02:15:07.240 You have 30 seconds.

02:15:08.640 Well, first,

02:15:09.720 I think it was wrong

02:15:11.680 of the state

02:15:12.540 to put so many migrants 1.00

02:15:14.640 in New York City.

02:15:16.120 New York City

02:15:16.740 had the overwhelming

02:15:18.080 majority of migrants.

02:15:19.520 But they were already here.

02:15:20.940 Close to about 80%.

02:15:22.240 The state should have

02:15:23.440 put them all across the state.

02:15:26.040 Nassau, Suffolk, Upstate.

02:15:28.300 So other governments

02:15:29.680 could have also...

02:15:31.640 Well, they were bused

02:15:32.260 here from Texas, right?

02:15:33.300 And we have a situation

02:15:34.080 right now.

02:15:34.100 Yes, but if they're bused

02:15:34.740 from Texas,

02:15:35.360 you could have brought

02:15:35.820 some to Nassau,

02:15:37.220 20 miles,

02:15:37.740 Westchester.

02:15:37.760 Yeah, but they're here

02:15:38.460 right now,

02:15:39.020 and we're asking

02:15:39.760 for the current problem.

02:15:40.680 Yes.

02:15:41.020 Well, that's how

02:15:41.620 the problem was created.

02:15:42.800 Okay, we understand.

02:15:43.560 The state put them here.

02:15:44.620 The state gave the city

02:15:45.820 the bill.

02:15:47.300 It has now increased

02:15:48.740 the challenge

02:15:49.220 in our education system.

02:15:51.120 The state is going

02:15:52.140 to have to help financially.

02:15:53.900 So you didn't answer

02:15:54.520 that question.

02:15:55.120 Mr. Momdan,

02:15:55.800 it's your chance.

02:15:56.840 You know, when I spoke

02:15:57.620 about our community

02:15:58.340 to classroom program,

02:15:59.900 the importance of it

02:16:00.800 is not just bringing in

02:16:01.960 1,000 more teachers

02:16:03.160 every year.

02:16:04.020 It's also that we would

02:16:04.960 bring in a number

02:16:05.940 of more bilingual educators.

02:16:07.800 Because what we've heard

02:16:08.800 from a number of adults

02:16:09.840 who have taught

02:16:10.640 in other countries

02:16:11.400 now live in New York City

02:16:12.400 is the process

02:16:13.340 by which they get

02:16:14.080 their certification

02:16:14.740 approved to teach here

02:16:16.300 is one that is onerous

02:16:17.500 and one that is actually

02:16:18.300 pricing many of them out.

02:16:19.640 That's why this is a program

02:16:20.920 that will directly address that

02:16:22.560 to increase that

02:16:23.780 bilingual capacity

02:16:24.660 in our school system

02:16:26.100 so that we can teach

02:16:27.020 every single child,

02:16:28.160 no matter when they got here,

02:16:29.320 the public education they deserve.

02:16:30.380 But, Mr. Momdani,

02:16:30.540 this certification

02:16:31.260 has been offered

02:16:32.200 and it hasn't been successful.

02:16:33.600 So how can you

02:16:34.360 make more teachers to be,

02:16:36.540 you know,

02:16:36.940 like they want to do this?

02:16:39.160 Part of what I've heard

02:16:40.240 is that the tuition costs

02:16:41.460 as part of the same

02:16:42.320 certification exams

02:16:43.220 are onerous

02:16:43.980 for many of these adults

02:16:44.940 looking to switch careers.

02:16:46.320 That's why this program

02:16:47.280 is built upon

02:16:47.940 providing $12,000

02:16:49.080 in tuition assistance

02:16:50.440 that would lead

02:16:51.320 to 1,000 more teachers

02:16:52.360 every year.

02:16:52.920 And also salaries

02:16:53.620 will be a good...

02:16:54.580 We have not just

02:16:55.500 migrant children,

02:16:56.520 we have the children

02:16:57.640 of the homeless,

02:16:58.760 over 120,000.

02:17:00.720 We haven't yet discussed

02:17:01.880 charter schools,

02:17:02.980 parochial schools

02:17:03.800 that are closing.

02:17:05.040 Normally parochial schools

02:17:06.420 would have been able

02:17:07.080 to take some of these children.

02:17:08.780 We need to expand

02:17:09.680 the number of charter schools

02:17:11.080 that are doing

02:17:11.600 an amazing job,

02:17:12.880 especially in the inner cities.

02:17:14.420 And why not make that

02:17:15.620 available to migrant children

02:17:17.200 and to the homeless children

02:17:18.960 who are coming from shelters

02:17:20.280 all across the city

02:17:21.360 who need the special

02:17:22.900 teaching skills

02:17:23.940 that have lifted children

02:17:25.440 in the charter schools?

02:17:26.620 We need to give choice

02:17:28.620 because that's our most

02:17:29.860 precious resource,

02:17:31.080 our children.

02:17:31.620 So allow me to now

02:17:32.700 move on into the...

02:17:33.740 I agree on the charter schools.

02:17:35.000 Thank you, Mr. Cuomo.

02:17:35.740 So allow me now

02:17:36.460 to enter into the

02:17:37.320 sanctuary city situation.

02:17:38.720 And let's talk about

02:17:40.680 also undocumented immigrants.

02:17:42.980 26 Federal Plaza

02:17:44.360 has become a flagship

02:17:45.760 in federal immigration crackdown.

02:17:48.040 We reported that

02:17:48.880 asylum seekers

02:17:49.680 are showing up

02:17:50.680 for like those

02:17:51.400 routine appointments,

02:17:52.660 not facing

02:17:53.460 any criminal challenges,

02:17:55.440 and they end up

02:17:56.700 being deported.

02:17:57.840 So by the show of hands,

02:17:59.800 we would like to know

02:18:01.040 if you believe

02:18:02.240 that you,

02:18:03.460 any of you,

02:18:04.100 could do something

02:18:04.680 to stop this.

02:18:05.500 So Mr. Cuomo,

02:18:09.600 you have a minute

02:18:10.340 to explain us.

02:18:11.140 What would you do?

02:18:12.340 The law is the law.

02:18:13.920 And I would have

02:18:14.800 an attorney assigned

02:18:16.120 to every person

02:18:17.240 who is undergoing

02:18:18.900 any review

02:18:20.060 by the federal government

02:18:21.380 or any legal proceeding

02:18:22.860 and put the full weight

02:18:25.040 of the city government

02:18:26.380 behind it

02:18:27.160 and make sure

02:18:28.980 they are legally protected.

02:18:30.780 Mr. Sli,

02:18:31.440 what was your plan?

02:18:32.740 Look,

02:18:33.040 going after the criminals,

02:18:35.780 that's the job

02:18:36.720 of Immigration

02:18:37.980 and Naturalization Service ICE.

02:18:40.380 But when they have

02:18:41.560 to perform under a quota,

02:18:43.080 because I speak

02:18:43.620 to many of the men

02:18:44.500 and women

02:18:44.880 who serve this country,

02:18:46.720 it's putting too much pressure

02:18:47.860 to go outside

02:18:48.960 of courthouses,

02:18:50.160 to go Home Depot,

02:18:51.840 shape-ups,

02:18:52.780 or the backs of restaurants

02:18:54.060 and hospitality businesses

02:18:55.740 which have hired

02:18:57.240 these migrants

02:18:58.080 and they are

02:18:58.760 essential workers now.

02:18:59.940 I can tell you

02:19:00.640 I have three sons.

02:19:01.440 None of them

02:19:02.240 are going to do that work.

02:19:03.220 Some Americans will, 0.57

02:19:04.760 but most won't.

02:19:05.900 We need to protect

02:19:07.080 the migrants 0.88

02:19:07.720 who are workers,

02:19:08.680 who are essential workers,

02:19:09.860 and use ICE

02:19:10.660 to go after

02:19:11.480 the drug dealers,

02:19:13.140 the gang bangers, 1.00

02:19:14.540 the sexual predators, 1.00

02:19:17.460 and those 0.87

02:19:18.140 who are sex trafficking

02:19:19.180 and involved

02:19:20.380 in narco-terrorism.

02:19:21.380 Mr. Mamadani.

02:19:22.700 I would be proud

02:19:23.500 to be the first immigrant mayor

02:19:25.300 of this city

02:19:25.760 in generations,

02:19:26.840 and it's a 26 federal plaza

02:19:28.480 that I've seen

02:19:29.380 what used to be moments

02:19:30.500 when New Yorkers

02:19:31.340 would be getting

02:19:31.660 their citizenship

02:19:32.280 turn into moments

02:19:33.400 of tragedy

02:19:34.020 where judges

02:19:34.800 are asking New Yorkers

02:19:35.820 who are there

02:19:36.160 for a routine

02:19:36.840 immigration check-in

02:19:37.800 whether they're prepared

02:19:38.980 to leave

02:19:39.740 in the very same clothes

02:19:40.820 that they arrived

02:19:41.440 to that courthouse.

02:19:42.320 I agree that we need

02:19:43.500 more legal representation.

02:19:44.960 I also think

02:19:45.580 we need to actually

02:19:46.460 be able to stand up

02:19:47.400 to Donald Trump

02:19:48.240 because I heard

02:19:49.220 from Pastor

02:19:50.100 in East Flatbush,

02:19:51.040 Pastor Galbraith,

02:19:51.940 who told me

02:19:52.720 how he accompanied

02:19:53.480 a member of his congregation

02:19:54.840 to 26 Federal Plaza.

02:19:57.060 He sat there

02:19:57.900 as a judge

02:19:58.600 was determining her fate. 0.82

02:19:59.620 They managed

02:20:00.340 to convince the judge

02:20:01.260 to replace

02:20:02.000 the deportation order

02:20:02.980 with a TPS order,

02:20:04.460 but they knew

02:20:05.060 that ICE

02:20:05.900 would not care

02:20:07.020 about that change,

02:20:08.340 and they had to

02:20:08.840 sprint her out 1.00

02:20:09.600 of the building,

02:20:10.480 smuggling her 0.95

02:20:11.120 into the elevator

02:20:12.060 in order to get her

02:20:13.040 back to Brooklyn.

02:20:13.980 Thank you.

02:20:15.820 Candidates,

02:20:16.400 I want to talk about

02:20:17.160 New York City's economy

02:20:18.020 and change the pace

02:20:19.300 a little bit.

02:20:20.400 Everyone supports

02:20:21.180 growing New York City's economy.

02:20:23.000 The mayor

02:20:23.720 is our chief salesman

02:20:25.220 to the business world,

02:20:26.800 so we want to mix it up,

02:20:28.060 test your persuasive power,

02:20:29.260 so we're calling it

02:20:29.940 an elevator pitch,

02:20:30.840 and we'll start with you,

02:20:31.520 Mr. Mondani.

02:20:32.140 In this scenario,

02:20:32.860 imagine you're talking

02:20:34.060 to the CEO

02:20:34.540 of a big tech company

02:20:36.140 deciding to move

02:20:37.540 its headquarters

02:20:38.040 to New York City

02:20:38.700 or to Dallas.

02:20:40.420 The CEO is concerned

02:20:41.340 New York just raised

02:20:42.200 its corporate taxes

02:20:43.120 and employees

02:20:43.960 will pay more

02:20:44.680 for everything.

02:20:46.320 Look into the camera

02:20:47.040 and make your pitch

02:20:47.620 to that CEO

02:20:48.280 to come here

02:20:49.440 and not there.

02:20:50.740 Do it in 30 seconds.

02:20:52.140 New York City

02:20:52.800 has something that Dallas

02:20:53.820 or no other city

02:20:55.080 across this country

02:20:55.780 could actually offer,

02:20:56.800 and that is the quality

02:20:57.500 of life,

02:20:58.000 that is the arts

02:20:58.600 and the culture,

02:20:59.120 that is the people

02:21:00.060 that make the city

02:21:00.740 so special.

02:21:01.600 And I,

02:21:02.120 as the mayor

02:21:02.580 of this city,

02:21:03.240 will deliver

02:21:03.860 that quality of life,

02:21:04.780 will deliver the safety

02:21:05.600 that is the cornerstone

02:21:06.860 of an affordability agenda,

02:21:08.160 and will ensure

02:21:09.100 that companies

02:21:10.140 choose to come

02:21:11.140 to this city

02:21:11.700 and also choose

02:21:12.580 to stay in this city.

02:21:13.700 Because so much

02:21:14.460 of what drives

02:21:15.220 the tech sector

02:21:16.280 is a hunger

02:21:17.260 for innovation,

02:21:18.700 an unrepenting desire

02:21:20.340 to actually innovate,

02:21:21.540 and those are the very things

02:21:22.740 that are going to characterize

02:21:23.460 my city government

02:21:24.280 in this area.

02:21:25.260 But what do you say

02:21:25.680 to the CEO

02:21:26.020 about the corporate taxes

02:21:27.060 and also the staggering

02:21:28.460 costs for the workers?

02:21:30.300 We are going to make

02:21:31.140 this city more affordable

02:21:32.060 so that workers

02:21:32.820 who want to work

02:21:33.500 at those companies

02:21:34.180 can actually be able

02:21:35.480 to do so.

02:21:36.300 And we're going to ensure

02:21:37.380 that this city

02:21:38.220 continues to be one

02:21:39.480 where we see businesses

02:21:40.520 opening and also

02:21:41.580 staying open.

02:21:42.140 All right,

02:21:42.420 thank you.

02:21:42.640 Sally?

02:21:43.320 Mr. Cuomo,

02:21:43.880 something of a reverse

02:21:44.820 scenario for you.

02:21:45.940 The CEO of a similar company

02:21:47.600 with 1,000 good jobs

02:21:49.260 tells you she's very close

02:21:50.560 to moving her headquarters

02:21:51.980 out of New York City.

02:21:53.640 She cites everything

02:21:54.360 from taxes

02:21:55.380 to the crushing cost

02:21:56.420 of living

02:21:56.880 for her employees

02:21:58.040 in New York City.

02:21:59.120 How do you convince

02:22:00.160 that CEO to stay?

02:22:01.320 Please look into the camera

02:22:02.340 and make your elevator pitch.

02:22:03.960 You have 30 seconds.

02:22:05.400 We know that

02:22:06.380 the other companies

02:22:08.840 in New York City...

02:22:10.480 That was Mr. Cuomo.

02:22:11.200 I'm sorry.

02:22:11.940 I'm sorry.

02:22:17.120 The question is to me

02:22:18.540 in this camera?

02:22:19.700 Yes, the question is

02:22:20.640 how you would convince

02:22:21.640 the CEO of a company

02:22:22.940 with 1,000 good jobs

02:22:24.220 who's looking to move

02:22:25.200 out of New York City

02:22:26.220 because of the high cost

02:22:27.280 of living for her employees

02:22:28.440 and taxes,

02:22:29.780 how you would convince her

02:22:30.740 to stay in New York City?

02:22:33.540 In 15 seconds?

02:22:34.940 30.

02:22:35.800 Okay.

02:22:36.180 30 seconds.

02:22:37.580 Okay.

02:22:38.840 I get it.

02:22:39.860 I understand your frustration.

02:22:41.240 I understand that the far left

02:22:43.080 has been raising taxes

02:22:44.320 and making businesses

02:22:46.140 feel like the enemy.

02:22:47.940 We get it.

02:22:48.900 That's gone.

02:22:49.600 The DSA,

02:22:51.280 the socialist orientation.

02:22:53.280 We're not socialists.

02:22:54.780 It didn't work in Venezuela.

02:22:56.200 It didn't work in Cuba.

02:22:57.280 It didn't work here.

02:22:58.780 We know that we have to work

02:22:59.900 with business.

02:23:00.740 We want to be your partner.

02:23:02.340 We want to have taxes

02:23:03.560 that help us grow our city

02:23:06.240 but are competitive for you.

02:23:08.380 We're at times.

02:23:08.900 And we want a partner

02:23:10.020 to grow your business

02:23:11.420 and our city together.

02:23:12.820 Thank you, Mr.

02:23:13.160 Sliwa,

02:23:13.660 let's talk about business

02:23:14.680 because let's assume

02:23:15.840 the big tech company

02:23:17.220 that we pitched

02:23:18.340 to Mr. Mamdani earlier

02:23:20.040 has decided

02:23:21.180 to move to New York

02:23:22.440 and it's a thousand

02:23:24.540 good paying jobs

02:23:25.640 and the CEO

02:23:26.620 wants to be based

02:23:27.720 in Astoria, Queens.

02:23:29.940 But there's a loud pushback

02:23:31.600 of residents

02:23:32.240 who don't want

02:23:33.200 the noise

02:23:33.780 and the traffic.

02:23:34.840 How can you convince

02:23:36.360 the residents

02:23:36.920 to accept the new neighbor?

02:23:39.080 You're speaking

02:23:39.700 to a very powerful community.

02:23:41.260 How can you convince them?

02:23:42.800 Well, we saw that

02:23:43.580 with Amazon.

02:23:44.500 Amazon wanted to come in 0.81

02:23:45.820 and AOC led the charge

02:23:47.800 and local elected officials

02:23:49.700 to say no to Amazon.

02:23:51.100 That was a big mistake.

02:23:52.600 I would say this.

02:23:54.100 Our companies

02:23:54.860 are being recruited away

02:23:56.300 by the day.

02:23:57.560 We have young people

02:23:58.960 who are going to school here

02:24:00.340 who could fill their needs

02:24:02.340 in these high-tech industries

02:24:04.060 who also are being

02:24:05.300 lured away.

02:24:06.520 We need to cut

02:24:07.440 their income taxes

02:24:08.520 for five years.

02:24:09.460 Tell them if you go

02:24:10.060 to school here,

02:24:10.680 graduate here,

02:24:11.700 no income taxes

02:24:12.720 for five years.

02:24:13.700 It's an income tax holiday.

02:24:15.520 And the most important thing,

02:24:16.820 we have to be able

02:24:17.600 to assure the executives

02:24:19.160 that this will be a city

02:24:20.860 where we don't lock up

02:24:22.120 toothpaste any longer

02:24:23.280 but lock up the criminals

02:24:24.660 who make it intolerable

02:24:26.120 to have a good quality of life.

02:24:27.640 Thank you.

02:24:28.280 We need to move on

02:24:29.080 to a subject.

02:24:29.720 That was the Democratic

02:24:30.540 Socialists of America

02:24:31.740 that stopped Amazon

02:24:32.940 and cost us 25,000 jobs.

02:24:35.000 Thank you, Mr. Cuomo.

02:24:36.360 We need to move on

02:24:37.320 to a crisis

02:24:38.040 that is very important

02:24:39.120 to a lot of voters

02:24:39.940 and that is people

02:24:41.140 struggling with

02:24:41.980 mental health problems.

02:24:44.680 Roughly 500 times a day,

02:24:46.860 someone calls 911

02:24:48.000 about an emotionally

02:24:49.540 disturbed person.

02:24:51.180 And in a limited number

02:24:52.340 of those cases,

02:24:53.500 when the person

02:24:54.000 is not believed

02:24:54.940 to be violent,

02:24:56.520 social workers are dispatched

02:24:57.900 instead of police.

02:24:59.500 Mr. Mamdani,

02:25:00.100 you want to do that

02:25:01.320 on a much larger scale.

02:25:03.020 So we want to know

02:25:04.120 how will this work?

02:25:06.120 When will you send

02:25:07.100 police versus social workers?

02:25:09.800 You have one minute.

02:25:11.360 You know,

02:25:12.040 we have a program

02:25:13.040 here in New York City

02:25:13.860 called Be Heard

02:25:15.080 that is attempting

02:25:16.120 to do this kind of work.

02:25:17.520 But we've had a mayor

02:25:18.620 who has ensured

02:25:19.660 that it's been unsuccessful

02:25:20.700 to the extent that

02:25:22.000 even when there was

02:25:22.900 an assessment

02:25:23.420 of about 60% of calls

02:25:25.200 that could have been addressed

02:25:26.200 by Be Heard

02:25:26.780 instead of the NYPD,

02:25:28.660 Be Heard

02:25:28.980 was not actually responsive

02:25:30.180 to it.

02:25:30.780 And that's because

02:25:31.480 we haven't had

02:25:32.100 the political will

02:25:32.880 to deliver on what

02:25:34.020 is a crisis

02:25:34.780 that affects so many

02:25:36.400 New Yorkers,

02:25:37.000 which is the mental 0.97

02:25:37.600 health crisis.

02:25:38.380 What my plan will do,

02:25:40.020 an innovative plan

02:25:41.000 of the Department

02:25:41.500 of Community Safety,

02:25:42.580 will take what has worked

02:25:43.560 elsewhere in the country,

02:25:44.820 a program in Eugene, Oregon,

02:25:46.480 where they took

02:25:46.940 24,000 911 mental health calls

02:25:49.440 out of the police department.

02:25:50.920 They were able to respond

02:25:52.180 to all but 311

02:25:53.960 without police assistance.

02:25:55.880 When there is a concern

02:25:56.960 for safety or of violence,

02:25:58.400 absolutely you would

02:25:59.780 have the police there.

02:26:00.880 But what we are doing today

02:26:02.100 is actually ensuring

02:26:03.360 that every single call

02:26:04.780 is going to the police

02:26:05.820 and not allowing them

02:26:07.220 to do the work

02:26:07.700 that they signed up to do.

02:26:08.480 How will you determine

02:26:09.700 whether there is a concern

02:26:10.980 for safety or violence?

02:26:13.020 What is the line

02:26:13.900 between the calls

02:26:14.780 in which police

02:26:16.380 will be dispatched

02:26:17.320 and the calls to which

02:26:18.280 social workers

02:26:18.960 will be dispatched?

02:26:20.120 The line is also going

02:26:21.020 to be one focused

02:26:21.940 on violence

02:26:22.820 and the threat

02:26:23.520 of violence.

02:26:24.480 And I also trust

02:26:25.720 the operators

02:26:26.600 who will be receiving

02:26:27.420 those calls

02:26:27.960 to make that determination

02:26:28.880 as they do every day today

02:26:30.860 for so many emergency services.

02:26:32.560 And just two really

02:26:33.340 quick points, please.

02:26:34.560 There has been

02:26:35.240 a lot of discussion

02:26:35.980 that you would send

02:26:37.100 social workers

02:26:38.280 to domestic violence calls,

02:26:39.800 which police are concerned about.

02:26:41.440 So you're saying no.

02:26:42.380 Okay.

02:26:43.080 And then the other question is,

02:26:44.520 how can you be sure

02:26:46.140 that a situation

02:26:47.160 that does not sound violent

02:26:48.580 when someone calls 911

02:26:49.840 does not become violent

02:26:51.600 in the moment?

02:26:52.220 Would police be assigned

02:26:53.900 as backup?

02:26:55.280 I think what you do

02:26:56.180 is you actually follow

02:26:57.120 the experts that have shown us

02:26:58.720 this can work

02:26:59.480 when you're willing

02:27:00.380 to ensure that you're trusting

02:27:02.040 the mental health experts

02:27:03.360 who have been doing this work

02:27:04.460 elsewhere in the country,

02:27:05.440 where they call for the police

02:27:06.800 when they need the police,

02:27:07.920 but their initial impulse

02:27:09.040 when there's no violence

02:27:10.000 in that call

02:27:11.200 is to actually address

02:27:12.200 the mental health

02:27:12.760 at the heart of it.

02:27:13.360 Okay.

02:27:13.600 Mr. Sliwa,

02:27:14.380 you have encountered

02:27:15.180 plenty of these types

02:27:16.200 of situations

02:27:16.940 in your decades of work

02:27:18.180 with the Guardian Angels.

02:27:19.180 So do you see

02:27:20.540 this approach working?

02:27:21.800 You're not a police officer,

02:27:23.160 but you've helped out

02:27:24.540 in situations.

02:27:26.180 Oh, Ron.

02:27:27.160 Boy, another fantasy

02:27:28.440 that's not reality.

02:27:29.520 Eugene, Oregon.

02:27:30.880 Have you ever been to Eugene?

02:27:31.860 I've been to Eugene.

02:27:33.180 Come on.

02:27:33.840 This is New York City.

02:27:35.520 We have so many

02:27:36.920 emotionally disturbed persons

02:27:39.220 that are in need of help.

02:27:41.380 I will tell you this,

02:27:42.720 Andrew,

02:27:43.280 you closed the mental health beds

02:27:45.260 that were taking care of them.

02:27:47.200 40,000 when you came into office,

02:27:49.240 down to 4,000

02:27:50.340 because of your cuts,

02:27:51.340 which forced these people

02:27:52.840 to live in the streets,

02:27:54.280 in the parks,

02:27:54.900 and the subways. 0.91

02:27:56.160 These people need to be removed. 0.99

02:27:58.100 They need mental health care.

02:27:59.740 We need to make our shelters safe.

02:28:01.960 I've been in one-third

02:28:03.160 of the 300 shelters

02:28:04.520 run by the Department

02:28:05.520 of Homeless Services.

02:28:07.420 It's Darwinian there,

02:28:08.580 survival of the fittest.

02:28:09.920 If we can make

02:28:10.600 our shelter system safe,

02:28:12.220 we can get men and women

02:28:13.320 who are homeless in there,

02:28:14.980 especially veterans

02:28:16.320 who we're not giving

02:28:17.320 any attention to,

02:28:18.720 who we put out

02:28:19.500 in Ward's Island

02:28:20.500 at 10 o'clock at night,

02:28:22.140 release during the day.

02:28:23.460 Don't give any training.

02:28:24.840 Have them roam about.

02:28:26.180 And obviously,

02:28:27.240 when you have nothing to do,

02:28:28.880 you end up getting into trouble.

02:28:30.640 This is a disastrous,

02:28:32.400 homeless,

02:28:32.900 and emotionally disturbed plan

02:28:34.400 that we have in New York City.

02:28:35.560 And I'm the mayor

02:28:36.440 that can change it

02:28:37.240 because I deal with them

02:28:38.160 every day in the streets,

02:28:39.440 in the parks,

02:28:40.040 and the subways.

02:28:40.660 Okay, Mr. Cuomo,

02:28:41.760 do you think that the NYPD

02:28:43.080 handles these calls

02:28:44.520 for emotionally disturbed people

02:28:45.940 in distress well?

02:28:46.960 Is there room

02:28:48.160 for something in the middle?

02:28:49.640 Yeah.

02:28:49.960 I think the Assemblyman

02:28:52.000 deals in theory

02:28:53.220 there's an advantage

02:28:54.440 when you actually

02:28:55.100 have experience.

02:28:56.120 I've run homeless programs.

02:28:57.940 I ran the homeless programs

02:28:59.200 for the federal government.

02:29:00.400 I've worked with cities

02:29:00.980 all across the nation.

02:29:02.420 When you get a call

02:29:03.840 on a telephone

02:29:04.720 about a mentally ill person

02:29:07.220 who may be violent,

02:29:10.060 it is a very dangerous situation.

02:29:11.960 And I think you should have

02:29:14.900 a mental health worker

02:29:16.020 accompanied with a police officer

02:29:18.940 because these can be

02:29:20.280 explosive situations.

02:29:21.980 I have been in situations

02:29:23.820 that seemed apparently calm

02:29:26.260 and fine

02:29:27.540 and then erupted

02:29:29.140 into violence very quickly

02:29:30.840 and it got very dangerous

02:29:32.300 very quickly.

02:29:33.260 So I would have a social worker

02:29:35.040 with a police officer

02:29:36.920 and get the people

02:29:38.180 off the streets.

02:29:39.580 That's the humane thing

02:29:40.680 and get them the care they need.

02:29:43.080 Not the institute,

02:29:44.340 not institutionalized

02:29:45.560 40,000 people again.

02:29:47.260 We have supportive housing now,

02:29:48.740 which is what we use

02:29:49.700 and forensic beds

02:29:51.200 for people who need them.

02:29:52.280 Let me get this straight.

02:29:53.500 A police officer is there first.

02:29:55.740 He has to wait for the arrival

02:29:56.980 of a mental health worker.

02:29:58.080 No, I would send them as a team.

02:29:59.780 As a team.

02:30:00.780 That's not realistic.

02:30:03.260 You're dealing with fantasy also.

02:30:04.820 The police officers

02:30:06.160 are going to be

02:30:06.620 the first one on the scene

02:30:07.920 and they're always going to have

02:30:09.400 to deal with it first and foremost.

02:30:10.780 Mr. Cuomo says that he has experience

02:30:12.620 running homeless programs.

02:30:14.240 What he has experience doing

02:30:15.320 is cutting funding

02:30:16.540 for the very programs

02:30:17.500 that prevented homelessness

02:30:18.840 here in New York City.

02:30:19.960 As the governor,

02:30:21.000 he cut funding

02:30:22.000 for the Advantage program,

02:30:23.440 which was putting New Yorkers

02:30:24.740 who had otherwise been in shelters,

02:30:26.360 otherwise been homeless,

02:30:27.620 into apartments.

02:30:28.200 I met one of those New Yorkers

02:30:29.540 and she told me

02:30:30.740 how that pushed her out on the street.

02:30:31.440 Thank you, Mr. Mondani.

02:30:32.400 Brief response, Mr. Cuomo.

02:30:33.300 He's talking about a program

02:30:34.040 14 years ago

02:30:35.260 that was a pilot program

02:30:36.780 that had a work requirement.

02:30:38.900 It was very controversial.

02:30:40.220 It was $65 million.

02:30:42.540 Are you talking about Advantage,

02:30:44.020 just so we know

02:30:44.520 what you're talking about?

02:30:45.580 It was 14 years ago,

02:30:47.580 $65 million.

02:30:48.880 I added billions

02:30:50.440 to the homeless budget,

02:30:52.380 funded the homeless budget

02:30:53.500 larger than any governor

02:30:54.800 in history.

02:30:55.660 Okay.

02:30:55.880 Okay, thank you.

02:30:56.940 We want to talk about...

02:30:57.820 He cut that program.

02:30:59.300 Homelessness skyrocketed.

02:31:00.580 Mr. Mondani,

02:31:01.460 we have aired this...

02:31:02.620 14 years ago.

02:31:03.940 All right.

02:31:04.320 It was during

02:31:04.700 the Bloomberg administration

02:31:05.620 and yes, okay.

02:31:07.340 Okay.

02:31:07.860 I want to ask you

02:31:08.400 about climate change.

02:31:10.320 As New York City

02:31:10.860 confronts the impact

02:31:11.880 of climate change,

02:31:13.040 one issue already

02:31:13.800 on the desk

02:31:14.300 of the next mayor

02:31:14.960 is Local Law 97.

02:31:17.440 It's passed in 2019.

02:31:18.500 The law requires

02:31:19.100 large buildings

02:31:19.680 to gradually reduce

02:31:21.120 greenhouse gas emissions

02:31:22.480 by 2030.

02:31:23.420 That may require

02:31:24.300 very expensive upgrades

02:31:25.760 to buildings

02:31:26.400 which some landlords

02:31:27.820 and co-op owners

02:31:28.640 say they just simply

02:31:29.520 can't afford.

02:31:30.920 We're wondering

02:31:31.340 how each of you

02:31:31.880 would enforce the law.

02:31:33.600 You have 30 seconds.

02:31:34.580 Mr. Cuomo.

02:31:36.260 Local Law 97,

02:31:37.600 I support.

02:31:39.300 Implementing the law

02:31:40.040 is going to be the key

02:31:40.900 because it has to be done

02:31:42.500 in a way that

02:31:43.300 isn't so disruptive

02:31:44.900 to businesses

02:31:46.380 and residences

02:31:47.760 that they just give up

02:31:49.620 and pay the fine

02:31:51.220 and don't even

02:31:51.960 try to comply,

02:31:53.120 which is what

02:31:53.780 is going to happen now.

02:31:54.800 It will be cheaper

02:31:56.160 for them to pay

02:31:57.360 the fine

02:31:58.140 than comply.

02:32:00.260 And that obviously

02:32:01.000 will accomplish nothing.

02:32:02.420 So, yes,

02:32:03.840 I support the law.

02:32:05.480 Yes,

02:32:06.040 we have to implement it,

02:32:08.060 but we have to implement it

02:32:09.540 in a way that is feasible.

02:32:11.100 Thank you,

02:32:11.360 Mr. Cuomo.

02:32:11.700 Mr. Sliwa?

02:32:12.780 Local 97

02:32:13.640 will destroy 0.99

02:32:15.080 those people

02:32:16.220 who have invested

02:32:17.020 in co-ops

02:32:17.820 and condos.

02:32:18.860 There's 100,000.

02:32:20.320 It's forcing them

02:32:21.320 to electrify.

02:32:22.800 Now,

02:32:23.020 you,

02:32:23.220 Andrew Cuomo,

02:32:23.780 took Indian Point

02:32:24.660 offline,

02:32:25.560 25% of our

02:32:26.680 electrical capacity

02:32:27.760 with no replacement,

02:32:29.040 which has caused

02:32:29.760 skyrocketing

02:32:31.120 electricity bills.

02:32:32.560 And now we're

02:32:33.060 going to force

02:32:33.640 condo and co-op

02:32:34.740 owners to electrify.

02:32:36.280 Maintenance fees

02:32:37.040 will go up 30%.

02:32:38.360 These people

02:32:39.420 will be leaving

02:32:40.060 their condos

02:32:40.820 and they need relief.

02:32:43.060 When I'm mayor,

02:32:44.100 I slow that process down.

02:32:45.940 We need our co-op

02:32:47.220 owners and condo owners

02:32:49.300 to stay here

02:32:50.000 in New York City

02:32:50.660 and not only.

02:32:51.420 Briefly.

02:32:52.520 Yeah.

02:32:53.440 Indian Point

02:32:54.260 was started

02:32:55.180 before me.

02:32:56.380 It was a

02:32:57.020 very dangerous

02:32:57.940 situation.

02:32:59.220 We have nuclear

02:32:59.860 facilities upstate

02:33:01.080 and my proposal

02:33:03.260 and what I did

02:33:03.860 is run cables

02:33:04.880 from the nuclear

02:33:05.520 facilities upstate

02:33:06.480 to bring the power

02:33:07.120 to downstate.

02:33:08.560 Indian Point

02:33:09.360 had 20 million

02:33:11.080 people in the kill zone.

02:33:12.880 Thank you,

02:33:13.140 Mr. Cuomo.

02:33:13.660 Mr. Mamdani,

02:33:14.420 local law 97,

02:33:15.640 how would you enforce

02:33:16.280 the law as mayor?

02:33:17.440 I support the law

02:33:18.520 and I would also

02:33:19.120 make it easier

02:33:19.960 for condo

02:33:21.220 and co-op owners

02:33:21.900 to comply with the law

02:33:23.020 because what I've heard

02:33:23.740 from so many

02:33:24.380 is that it's cheaper

02:33:25.340 to pay the fine

02:33:26.160 than to actually

02:33:26.840 get into compliance.

02:33:27.980 I think the city

02:33:28.500 has a role here

02:33:29.400 in procurement

02:33:30.340 at a large scale

02:33:31.460 of so much

02:33:32.300 of what is necessary

02:33:33.140 in these infrastructure

02:33:33.920 investments.

02:33:34.760 We've seen it be done

02:33:35.680 in the clean energy

02:33:36.520 challenge within NYCHA.

02:33:37.820 It's time to do it

02:33:38.680 right here in New York City

02:33:39.720 to assist those condo

02:33:41.100 and co-op owners

02:33:41.800 in meeting the standards

02:33:42.860 we desperately need to hit.

02:33:44.520 Okay.

02:33:45.000 Gentlemen,

02:33:45.540 New York City

02:33:46.060 loves its parades

02:33:47.480 and the mayor

02:33:48.120 is often front

02:33:49.120 and center.

02:33:50.160 You have all said

02:33:51.000 that you want to be mayor

02:33:52.000 for all New Yorkers.

02:33:53.500 So will you march

02:33:55.020 in all the parades

02:33:56.220 that mayors

02:33:56.960 have traditionally

02:33:57.860 marched in

02:33:58.580 or are there any

02:33:59.900 that you would boycott?

02:34:00.960 Mr. Sliwa?

02:34:02.740 I think a mayor

02:34:03.380 has a responsibility

02:34:04.560 whenever possible

02:34:05.840 to march in parades

02:34:07.100 to celebrate

02:34:08.300 whatever that parade

02:34:09.680 is performing as.

02:34:12.100 I've been a grand marshal

02:34:13.080 of the Pulaski Day parade.

02:34:14.400 I was proud

02:34:15.200 to celebrate

02:34:16.360 my Polish heritage.

02:34:17.240 Are there any that you would

02:34:17.260 boycott though?

02:34:17.820 I just need to move this along.

02:34:19.300 Excuse me?

02:34:19.900 Would you boycott

02:34:20.820 any of the city's parades?

02:34:22.300 No, I would not

02:34:22.940 boycott any parades.

02:34:23.840 Mr. Cuomo,

02:34:24.420 would you boycott?

02:34:25.200 There are many parades

02:34:33.820 that I would not be attending

02:34:34.800 because I'd be focusing

02:34:35.620 on the work

02:34:36.120 of leading this city.

02:34:37.300 Which parades?

02:34:38.400 A number of them.

02:34:39.220 I've already missed

02:34:39.920 a number of those parades

02:34:40.860 because I've been trying

02:34:41.460 to speak to as many

02:34:42.600 New Yorkers as possible.

02:34:43.720 Okay.

02:34:44.120 I don't have the list

02:34:44.940 of all the parades I've missed.

02:34:45.900 Wow, that's a lot.

02:34:46.680 I may or should be going

02:34:47.780 to all parades.

02:34:48.760 Let me ask you this.

02:34:49.580 Are there any parades

02:34:50.380 that don't exist

02:34:51.520 that you think should?

02:34:53.480 Mr. Mamdani?

02:34:54.120 I haven't thought much

02:34:55.620 about parades

02:34:56.280 to be honest with you.

02:34:57.460 Mr. Cuomo?

02:34:58.540 I have not thought...

02:35:00.380 I don't even know

02:35:01.980 what parade doesn't exist.

02:35:03.720 Could be for anything.

02:35:04.660 Mr. Sliwat?

02:35:06.420 Every parade has the right

02:35:08.480 to exist in New York City.

02:35:10.020 I would ask you...

02:35:10.860 David, thank you.

02:35:11.500 Mr. Mamdani,

02:35:12.280 would you protect

02:35:13.660 the Christopher Columbus

02:35:14.600 statues that exist

02:35:15.680 here in the city?

02:35:16.680 I'm telling you

02:35:17.220 my focus is on affordability.

02:35:18.680 I'm not thinking

02:35:19.080 about statues.

02:35:19.180 Well, you're not

02:35:19.600 answering the question.

02:35:20.680 Thank you.

02:35:21.460 You're not answering

02:35:22.280 the question.

02:35:22.300 He gave the finger

02:35:23.600 to the Columbus Day statue.

02:35:25.960 That issue has come up

02:35:26.660 earlier in the day.

02:35:26.680 That's what we call

02:35:27.420 a disgraziado.

02:35:28.960 Listen, we're in

02:35:29.380 the last couple of minutes

02:35:30.100 and we thought

02:35:30.460 we'd have some questions.

02:35:32.380 We thought we'd have

02:35:33.160 some questions

02:35:33.620 that maybe give a glimpse

02:35:34.800 into your life,

02:35:35.640 your personality,

02:35:36.300 away from the political podium.

02:35:38.480 What's your go-to breakfast

02:35:39.760 order at the bodega?

02:35:41.240 Mr. Sliwa?

02:35:42.480 Oh, eggs and cheese

02:35:44.460 on a roll.

02:35:45.240 No salt, please.

02:35:46.620 Mr. Cuomo?

02:35:47.620 Same thing.

02:35:48.860 No salt also.

02:35:50.720 Mr. Mamdani?

02:35:51.940 Egg and cheese

02:35:52.660 on a roll with jalapenos.

02:35:53.840 Yeah.

02:35:54.800 Have you ever purchased

02:35:55.800 anything in a cannabis shop?

02:35:57.600 And if so,

02:35:58.120 what did you buy,

02:35:58.920 Mr. Mamdani?

02:36:00.200 I have.

02:36:02.780 I have purchased marijuana

02:36:04.220 at a legal cannabis shop.

02:36:05.420 Okay.

02:36:06.020 Mr. Cuomo?

02:36:07.300 No.

02:36:08.020 Mr. Sliwa?

02:36:09.480 When I was shot five times,

02:36:11.220 I've had Crohn's disease.

02:36:12.600 I did use medical marijuana.

02:36:14.520 Yes.

02:36:15.200 Okay.

02:36:16.220 In a dream scenario,

02:36:17.340 we know it's not possible,

02:36:18.200 but the Mets are playing

02:36:19.100 Game 7 of the World Series

02:36:20.360 on the same night

02:36:21.260 as the Knicks are playing

02:36:22.300 Game 7 of the NBA Championship

02:36:24.080 and you can only go to one,

02:36:25.980 which one will it be,

02:36:27.360 Mr. Sliwa?

02:36:28.600 Again,

02:36:29.020 which baseball team?

02:36:30.280 This is the Mets,

02:36:31.240 Game 7,

02:36:32.040 Knicks Game 7.

02:36:33.000 I'm not going to the Mets game.

02:36:34.500 I'm a Yankee fan.

02:36:35.600 True baseball fans,

02:36:37.160 either like one or the other.

02:36:38.540 I'm going to the Knicks game.

02:36:40.420 That's my team,

02:36:41.180 the Knicks.

02:36:41.640 Mr. Cuomo?

02:36:42.200 I'm going to go half and half.

02:36:45.320 I can make it back and forth.

02:36:46.600 All right.

02:36:46.980 Mr. Mamdani?

02:36:47.680 This is what New Yorkers are sick of.

02:36:49.000 Just pick a team.

02:36:49.820 What's your answer?

02:36:50.380 I'd be there for the Knicks.

02:36:51.420 Okay.

02:36:52.300 There's a lot of ground covered.

02:36:54.020 We'll leave it on that light note.

02:36:54.980 Thank you, candidates,

02:36:56.040 for a spirited debate.

02:36:57.240 We thank you as well.

02:36:58.800 We hope you got a lot out of it,

02:37:00.680 New York City viewers,

02:37:01.420 New York City voters.

02:37:02.720 The New York City Campaign Finance Board,

02:37:04.320 we thank heartily,

02:37:05.200 and we urge you to check out

02:37:06.100 their website,

02:37:07.260 nycvotes.org.

02:37:08.780 From all of us here,

02:37:09.540 we certainly thank you

02:37:10.500 for watching.

02:37:11.320 And remember,

02:37:11.740 go vote Tuesday,

02:37:13.280 November 4th.

02:37:13.900 Have a good night.

02:37:14.300 Okay.

02:37:27.680 So we just saw

02:37:28.900 the New York mayoral debate.

02:37:32.920 It was a two-hour debate.

02:37:34.560 I want to thank you

02:37:35.160 for everyone who had to watch

02:37:37.100 all of that communism,

02:37:39.220 all that socialism.

02:37:41.440 And honestly,

02:37:42.320 I just got to say

02:37:43.020 right off the bat,

02:37:44.840 well-run debate.

02:37:46.020 I thought it was

02:37:46.400 a well-run debate.

02:37:48.540 I thought it was

02:37:49.720 a good job

02:37:50.900 by the moderators.

02:37:51.940 All right.

02:37:52.160 I'm being told now

02:37:53.240 that we have everyone here.

02:37:55.060 That is good.

02:37:56.700 So Andrew, of course,

02:37:57.980 had to leave earlier.

02:37:59.940 He was making his way

02:38:01.460 to a flight.

02:38:03.140 We've got the great

02:38:04.000 Cliff Maloney.

02:38:04.780 What's up, Cliff?

02:38:06.060 Good to see you all.

02:38:08.320 Good to see you.

02:38:09.180 Mikey McCoy is there.

02:38:10.240 He's the only one of us

02:38:11.260 actually in Phoenix

02:38:12.200 right now for once.

02:38:13.220 This feels weird

02:38:14.260 being the only one

02:38:15.180 in the studio right now.

02:38:16.240 I've got to be honest.

02:38:17.420 Yeah.

02:38:18.740 And Tyler Boyer

02:38:19.820 who is on assignment.

02:38:22.860 What's up, guys?

02:38:23.600 How we doing?

02:38:26.520 What's up?

02:38:27.320 So I kind of threw

02:38:29.320 my piece out.

02:38:30.520 Cliff, you were earlier.

02:38:32.480 Let's go Tyler.

02:38:34.000 You know,

02:38:34.520 what were some

02:38:35.600 of your takeaways

02:38:36.080 from the debate?

02:38:36.680 Yeah, I agree

02:38:38.700 with you, Jack.

02:38:39.380 It was a really

02:38:40.000 well-run debate.

02:38:41.160 I was expecting

02:38:42.200 absolute chaos

02:38:43.380 because you have

02:38:44.700 a communist,

02:38:46.200 a guy who has

02:38:48.880 a lot of piercings,

02:38:49.840 and another guy 0.86

02:38:52.540 who really can't

02:38:54.660 usually stop talking

02:38:56.360 all on the stage

02:38:57.720 at the same time.

02:38:58.440 And my expectation

02:39:00.040 was just an absolute

02:39:01.140 circus of a debate.

02:39:02.400 And it actually was

02:39:03.640 like an enjoyably

02:39:04.840 long debate.

02:39:05.800 I think actually

02:39:06.360 most debates

02:39:06.920 should be about

02:39:07.440 that length

02:39:07.960 and cover as many

02:39:09.980 substantive topics

02:39:11.280 like they did.

02:39:12.040 I mean,

02:39:12.200 it's a lot of stuff

02:39:12.880 that most Americans

02:39:14.860 really can't

02:39:16.220 totally comprehend

02:39:17.460 because it's

02:39:18.180 New York City

02:39:18.900 specific,

02:39:19.760 you know,

02:39:20.220 inner city 0.96

02:39:20.780 garbage stuff 0.87

02:39:22.460 that really 0.99

02:39:24.360 shouldn't exist.

02:39:25.340 But you have to

02:39:26.260 talk about,

02:39:26.820 I guess,

02:39:27.020 if you're from

02:39:27.460 New York City.

02:39:28.320 So, yeah,

02:39:29.520 anyways,

02:39:29.860 I thought it was

02:39:30.520 a really great

02:39:31.620 well-run debate.

02:39:35.100 Mikey,

02:39:36.180 what do you think, man?

02:39:37.440 Yeah,

02:39:37.740 I thought this was

02:39:38.760 the most New York

02:39:40.140 debate ever

02:39:41.040 because you have

02:39:41.980 these two New Yorkers

02:39:43.400 on stage

02:39:44.120 arguing on

02:39:44.920 who loves the Jews more.

02:39:47.020 And then you have

02:39:47.600 Mom Donnie

02:39:48.400 saying the craziest

02:39:50.260 stuff on stage.

02:39:51.400 And you have,

02:39:51.960 you got Mom Donnie

02:39:54.160 saying,

02:39:54.820 we need rent

02:39:55.500 control buildings

02:39:56.800 and we need

02:39:57.640 to fix

02:39:58.620 everything.

02:39:59.800 And then you got

02:40:00.320 Sliwa going up there 0.99

02:40:01.400 and every other

02:40:01.860 sentence he's going,

02:40:03.100 you know,

02:40:03.500 in my day

02:40:04.100 when we had

02:40:04.660 the guardian angels,

02:40:05.680 we would patrol

02:40:06.800 the streets

02:40:07.480 and keep it clean.

02:40:09.100 And then Cuomo

02:40:10.040 doesn't really know

02:40:10.860 what's going on,

02:40:11.660 somehow ties it

02:40:12.500 all back to,

02:40:13.260 you know,

02:40:14.280 protecting the Jewish

02:40:15.260 community,

02:40:15.660 which is great.

02:40:16.580 You know,

02:40:16.940 that's a big community

02:40:17.740 in New York.

02:40:18.780 But I did think

02:40:19.940 it was very New York.

02:40:20.740 And then on top

02:40:21.620 of that,

02:40:21.860 you have the two

02:40:22.420 DEI sign language

02:40:23.920 hires who have

02:40:24.940 the green sheet

02:40:25.840 behind them.

02:40:26.700 And I think

02:40:27.780 that they automatically

02:40:28.700 thought that maybe

02:40:29.880 a set would pop up

02:40:31.000 if they put a green

02:40:31.820 sheet behind them.

02:40:33.100 But I thought

02:40:34.200 it was good.

02:40:34.700 I thought the moderator

02:40:35.400 did well.

02:40:36.480 I thought maybe

02:40:37.200 the moderator

02:40:37.860 could have started

02:40:38.580 by holding up

02:40:39.280 a Chipotle bowl

02:40:40.120 and saying,

02:40:41.000 Mr. Mom Donnie,

02:40:42.220 how do you eat this

02:40:43.420 with your hands

02:40:44.120 or a fork?

02:40:45.260 I thought that we

02:40:46.400 really missed out

02:40:47.180 on that one.

02:40:47.840 But other than that,

02:40:48.900 I thought it was

02:40:49.360 a pretty good debate.

02:40:51.460 Oh, my gosh.

02:40:54.160 Okay, so Mikey's

02:40:55.240 canceled.

02:40:56.400 He's like going

02:40:57.300 for the Media Matters

02:40:58.260 article at this point.

02:41:01.280 Mikey came in

02:41:02.320 on ThoughtCrime today.

02:41:04.160 Mikey had,

02:41:04.840 we had a clip last week

02:41:06.000 of he's like,

02:41:06.940 I really like ThoughtCrime.

02:41:08.580 And he's been thinking

02:41:09.260 about it all week.

02:41:10.540 And he just came in

02:41:11.720 with the most content.

02:41:14.220 I mean,

02:41:14.420 I think we can close up shop.

02:41:15.840 That's great.

02:41:16.640 He covered everything.

02:41:17.220 Yeah, it's pretty good.

02:41:17.840 I was like trying

02:41:18.340 to be all serious.

02:41:19.100 I'm like,

02:41:19.500 oh, yeah,

02:41:19.880 it was a good debate.

02:41:20.740 Tyler's like,

02:41:21.400 oh, substantive issues.

02:41:23.580 No easy.

02:41:24.520 Let me jump in real quick

02:41:27.320 and say that,

02:41:28.400 you know,

02:41:28.660 what was fascinating

02:41:29.340 to me is this idea

02:41:30.560 that it's the true

02:41:31.880 Democrat party,

02:41:33.580 which means

02:41:34.420 both Cuomo

02:41:36.800 and Mom Donnie,

02:41:38.980 you could tell

02:41:39.460 every answer was not,

02:41:41.200 oh, I want to present

02:41:42.140 something because

02:41:43.060 I have a plan

02:41:43.760 or I have some sort

02:41:44.540 of vision.

02:41:45.260 It was,

02:41:46.280 who am I not allowed

02:41:47.180 to offend?

02:41:48.360 Every single answer,

02:41:49.340 you could see him

02:41:49.740 kind of pausing.

02:41:50.840 I don't want to offend

02:41:51.540 this group,

02:41:52.120 so I have to answer

02:41:52.680 this correctly.

02:41:53.420 I don't want to offend

02:41:53.980 that group.

02:41:54.880 You know,

02:41:54.980 at least Curtis went in

02:41:55.960 as the Republican

02:41:56.620 with some actual solutions.

02:41:58.500 But I just feel like

02:41:59.100 that represents

02:42:00.000 the Democratic Party today

02:42:01.460 is they're just worried

02:42:02.960 about offending people.

02:42:04.580 It's all about this,

02:42:05.760 these classes

02:42:06.420 and virtue signaling.

02:42:07.500 And to me,

02:42:09.140 it was a good debate

02:42:10.040 and that the structure

02:42:11.280 I think went well,

02:42:12.760 but there was no real

02:42:13.460 policy positions

02:42:14.420 that got anybody excited.

02:42:16.340 I didn't think they really

02:42:16.940 went deep on any of that.

02:42:18.400 Donnie said,

02:42:19.060 hey, we want everything

02:42:19.580 to be free.

02:42:20.660 They didn't really

02:42:21.160 push back on him.

02:42:22.400 I will say this,

02:42:23.140 though.

02:42:23.660 I thought they went

02:42:24.380 after Cuomo

02:42:25.000 pretty tough

02:42:25.680 on a lot of the follow-ups.

02:42:26.960 I mean,

02:42:27.100 they really inserted

02:42:28.160 themselves as if

02:42:29.600 they were kind of

02:42:30.300 fact-checking

02:42:31.220 in the moment,

02:42:31.780 but they only seemed

02:42:33.160 to do that for him.

02:42:34.020 Yeah,

02:42:35.460 they went really easy

02:42:36.880 on Mom Donnie

02:42:37.940 on a lot of the follow-ups,

02:42:40.200 which was,

02:42:40.900 you know,

02:42:41.960 kind of expected

02:42:42.940 because it's just

02:42:43.860 the communist propaganda

02:42:45.580 that you see

02:42:46.740 coming out of the

02:42:48.400 elections department

02:42:49.520 in New York City.

02:42:50.560 But,

02:42:51.140 I mean,

02:42:52.300 everything Mom Donnie

02:42:53.960 said was just

02:42:54.800 totally rehearsed,

02:42:56.660 totally fake,

02:42:57.980 nothing he actually

02:42:59.080 believes.

02:43:00.920 You know,

02:43:01.300 Cuomo did a nice job

02:43:03.100 saying that

02:43:04.240 a lot of times

02:43:05.340 of just pointing out,

02:43:06.960 hey,

02:43:07.280 you actually said this

02:43:08.460 and now you're here.

02:43:09.420 And then he didn't

02:43:10.160 really give any real

02:43:11.200 explanations as to

02:43:12.700 why he changed

02:43:13.480 his tune

02:43:14.060 in very short format

02:43:15.620 after becoming

02:43:16.780 the Democratic nominee.

02:43:18.620 But,

02:43:19.020 here we are

02:43:19.760 with,

02:43:20.340 you know,

02:43:21.380 a potential communist

02:43:22.300 as mayor of New York City

02:43:23.280 here.

02:43:23.920 And that's the direction.

02:43:24.700 Yeah,

02:43:24.720 I'm just going to say it,

02:43:25.680 right?

02:43:26.160 You know,

02:43:26.440 so coming in,

02:43:28.560 Mondami was the front-runner

02:43:30.180 and,

02:43:31.340 you know,

02:43:31.900 Sliwa,

02:43:32.280 a lot of people

02:43:33.020 are looking at him

02:43:33.800 as kind of like a spoiler.

02:43:35.380 They're saying,

02:43:35.920 okay,

02:43:36.740 you know,

02:43:37.060 you'd put,

02:43:37.780 and I think the latest

02:43:38.560 Quinnipiac poll said

02:43:39.560 Sliwa's at 15,

02:43:41.520 Cuomo's at 33,

02:43:42.700 and then Mondami's at 46.

02:43:44.900 So if you put the two

02:43:45.740 of them together,

02:43:46.440 they'd be at 48,

02:43:47.480 and that Cuomo

02:43:48.720 would be the lead.

02:43:50.540 But instead,

02:43:51.340 and obviously not all

02:43:52.380 that 15 would go over,

02:43:53.560 but instead,

02:43:54.920 you know,

02:43:56.020 it's just this split ticket.

02:43:58.380 And so Mondani was the one

02:44:00.080 who needed to have

02:44:01.260 a pitch-perfect night.

02:44:02.400 And I got to say,

02:44:03.300 I don't know that either

02:44:04.480 of those guys

02:44:05.060 laid a finger on him.

02:44:06.300 I'm just going to say it.

02:44:07.080 Do you guys think

02:44:07.820 there was any moment

02:44:08.580 where they,

02:44:09.440 you know,

02:44:10.000 where they got in

02:44:10.920 and really got some shots in,

02:44:12.500 scored some points?

02:44:13.500 I didn't really see anything.

02:44:15.100 I'll throw it to you guys,

02:44:16.000 though.

02:44:18.140 I'll jump in and say that

02:44:19.260 I think when it comes

02:44:20.020 to authenticity,

02:44:21.500 Mondani destroyed it.

02:44:23.120 He just,

02:44:23.980 he comes across

02:44:24.620 as a likable guy.

02:44:25.520 He's young.

02:44:26.120 He looks fresh.

02:44:27.540 Obviously,

02:44:27.900 the things that he stands for,

02:44:29.220 we all vehemently disagree with.

02:44:31.320 But I think that's the,

02:44:32.500 almost reminded me,

02:44:33.700 I hate to say it like this,

02:44:34.680 but it was almost like

02:44:35.860 Trump versus the other candidates.

02:44:37.300 Now, look,

02:44:37.600 a lot of the other candidates

02:44:38.480 in the debates,

02:44:39.260 especially 2016,

02:44:40.960 you know,

02:44:41.600 I like a lot of them.

02:44:42.800 They're good on policy.

02:44:44.220 But, you know,

02:44:44.640 Shane Gillis,

02:44:45.340 in his stand-up bit

02:44:46.540 about the debates,

02:44:47.960 he's like,

02:44:48.340 this wasn't fair.

02:44:49.200 You know,

02:44:49.340 they brought Trump in,

02:44:50.320 who's a professional at this,

02:44:52.000 the TV guy,

02:44:53.200 and he's up against

02:44:54.260 all these other people

02:44:55.220 that are professional politicians.

02:44:57.040 And that's what tonight felt like.

02:44:58.720 I felt like Cuomo and Sliwa, 0.92

02:45:00.980 you know,

02:45:01.280 they didn't do bad,

02:45:02.680 but they really struggled.

02:45:03.920 Even just looking at the camera,

02:45:05.380 you know,

02:45:05.580 we know this

02:45:06.020 because we do this game,

02:45:07.120 but like every single answer,

02:45:09.280 Mom Dami,

02:45:09.840 is eyes to the camera,

02:45:11.840 talking confidently,

02:45:13.760 calmly,

02:45:14.540 smiling at the end,

02:45:15.920 answering questions directly.

02:45:17.720 I mean,

02:45:17.860 I've never said

02:45:18.400 this many positive things

02:45:19.440 about a socialist

02:45:20.120 in my entire life,

02:45:21.180 but the other two

02:45:22.300 just seem to be

02:45:22.960 the old school

02:45:23.780 of just thinking

02:45:24.940 that they're going to answer

02:45:25.720 the political way.

02:45:27.180 I think Mom Dami connected.

02:45:30.500 Yeah,

02:45:31.080 I think it's important

02:45:32.300 to point out

02:45:33.300 how likable he is

02:45:35.020 also to the younger generation,

02:45:37.100 both millennials

02:45:37.880 and Gen Z.

02:45:39.480 And I keep talking about this,

02:45:40.960 but there's a crossroads

02:45:42.040 that's coming

02:45:42.720 where young people

02:45:44.560 need to pick

02:45:45.320 as a solution

02:45:46.600 to their problems

02:45:47.680 to go to the right

02:45:49.180 or to turn to the left.

02:45:50.400 But either way,

02:45:51.120 there's going to need

02:45:51.640 to be radical change.

02:45:53.680 And so Mom Dami

02:45:54.400 is this young,

02:45:55.640 fresh cut,

02:45:56.860 good looking,

02:45:58.040 looks at the camera,

02:45:59.160 clean cut,

02:46:00.180 and he's offering

02:46:01.500 a solution.

02:46:02.500 Though radical,

02:46:03.500 it's a socialist solution.

02:46:05.260 And when you think about it,

02:46:06.320 Gen Z and millennials,

02:46:07.600 these are the ones

02:46:08.180 that are the users

02:46:09.660 of BNPL programs.

02:46:11.360 They're the generations

02:46:12.580 most in debt.

02:46:14.140 And so they're being offered

02:46:15.320 a solution

02:46:15.900 that's out of the norm.

02:46:17.180 And for a lot of them,

02:46:18.700 the ones living in New York,

02:46:20.540 they've had Cuomo

02:46:21.620 and they've had

02:46:22.760 kind of the status quo

02:46:24.220 for so long.

02:46:25.520 And I think they're hopeful

02:46:27.180 to see change.

02:46:28.500 And the only change

02:46:29.700 that they're actually offered

02:46:31.280 is Mom Donnie.

02:46:32.860 And so I think

02:46:33.420 he's really appealing

02:46:34.560 to a lot of them.

02:46:36.060 And I think you're spot on, Cliff.

02:46:38.460 I think he was super appealing

02:46:40.020 on this entire debate.

02:46:41.860 Do we have, guys,

02:46:45.060 I want to go in

02:46:45.780 and play some of these,

02:46:47.060 play some of the clips.

02:46:48.320 I want to ask, though, as well,

02:46:49.620 do we have that clip

02:46:50.520 about the mosques

02:46:51.580 by any chance?

02:46:53.800 I don't know if we have that.

02:46:55.820 Let's play real here, though.

02:46:57.380 This kind of speaks

02:46:59.840 to what Mikey was just saying, though.

02:47:01.760 Play clip 314.

02:47:04.320 Andrew Cuomo

02:47:05.040 is a politician of the past,

02:47:06.680 and all he can speak about

02:47:07.680 are the tweets

02:47:08.240 of the past in 2020.

02:47:09.920 Those are tweets

02:47:10.740 which I have apologized for

02:47:12.060 to New Yorkers

02:47:12.800 and police officers directly.

02:47:14.820 And they are not

02:47:15.740 what I am actually running on. 0.94

02:47:17.020 You're incapable

02:47:17.760 of actually speaking

02:47:18.880 about the platform

02:47:19.540 that we have here,

02:47:20.520 which is one that will

02:47:21.000 keep New Yorkers safe.

02:47:24.940 And there, I mean,

02:47:25.920 you just hear it.

02:47:27.440 He's the politician of the past.

02:47:29.660 He's the one that is,

02:47:31.460 you know, from, you know,

02:47:34.560 time immemorial.

02:47:35.800 He's obviously tied to,

02:47:37.060 you know, his family

02:47:38.520 being in New York

02:47:39.200 for a long time.

02:47:39.920 And so it's tough

02:47:41.000 to be a Cuomo

02:47:41.720 and say you're running

02:47:42.420 as a change candidate.

02:47:43.980 I mean, I just don't really know

02:47:44.900 how you do that politically.

02:47:49.100 Yeah, and I, you know,

02:47:50.440 just kind of piggybacking

02:47:51.560 on that, it's, you know,

02:47:52.900 Cuomo's just such an

02:47:53.920 unlikable guy

02:47:55.400 that it's just such

02:47:56.760 an unfortunate situation

02:47:58.140 where you have,

02:47:59.000 you know,

02:47:59.300 the juxtaposition

02:48:00.240 of likable

02:48:01.920 bad policies

02:48:02.920 and unlikable

02:48:03.920 and unlikable

02:48:05.120 really just slightly

02:48:07.100 less bad policies

02:48:08.380 and unlikable

02:48:10.320 good policies.

02:48:12.260 You know,

02:48:12.480 that's just,

02:48:13.080 that's the,

02:48:13.640 that's unfortunately

02:48:14.520 the construct

02:48:15.840 of every good campaign

02:48:18.360 that runs,

02:48:19.680 you have to be likable.

02:48:20.880 You have to become across 0.86

02:48:21.880 as someone

02:48:22.340 that people connect with.

02:48:23.520 And Mom Donnie

02:48:24.940 is, you know,

02:48:26.760 a, you know,

02:48:28.980 outsider-looking

02:48:31.020 Obama-esque

02:48:32.620 young messenger

02:48:35.300 who he clearly

02:48:37.200 sat down

02:48:37.960 and was told

02:48:38.720 and coached

02:48:39.660 that he could not

02:48:41.000 come across tonight

02:48:42.520 as, you know,

02:48:44.520 angry or defensive

02:48:46.080 or, you know,

02:48:49.220 opportunistic.

02:48:50.600 He was really smart

02:48:52.160 in how he answered questions

02:48:54.060 which was moderation

02:48:55.800 and quiet

02:48:57.340 and calm

02:48:58.320 and likable.

02:49:00.480 And so,

02:49:00.940 that's just the,

02:49:02.240 that's the winning formula

02:49:03.840 for him right now

02:49:04.680 because it's his race

02:49:05.580 to lose at this point,

02:49:06.520 unfortunately.

02:49:07.820 And all he had to do

02:49:09.040 was make,

02:49:10.440 you know,

02:49:10.660 take more away

02:49:11.700 from,

02:49:12.440 you know,

02:49:12.860 a bad, 0.95

02:49:13.720 unlikable Democrat candidate.

02:49:15.800 And I think he was successful,

02:49:18.120 unfortunately,

02:49:18.600 at that tonight.

02:49:19.740 And that's part of the reason

02:49:20.600 why so many people

02:49:21.420 have hesitancy

02:49:22.140 to tell Curtis Lee

02:49:23.140 to get out of the race

02:49:24.740 because you've got

02:49:26.880 a guy

02:49:27.620 that is not

02:49:28.480 good at all.

02:49:29.520 And I'll point to one

02:49:30.400 specific example

02:49:31.520 is they were like

02:49:32.640 arguing over

02:49:33.660 why Mom Donnie

02:49:34.920 hasn't endorsed

02:49:35.760 Kathy Hochul.

02:49:36.980 Well,

02:49:38.060 that's not exactly

02:49:39.160 the person

02:49:40.660 that instills

02:49:42.320 a lot of confidence

02:49:43.100 with all the Republicans

02:49:44.520 that you have to try

02:49:45.380 to win over

02:49:45.980 in the city

02:49:46.580 is, you know,

02:49:48.160 making the point

02:49:49.040 in the debate

02:49:49.800 that, you know,

02:49:51.360 the governor

02:49:51.900 deserves, you know,

02:49:53.520 an endorsement

02:49:54.380 from, you know,

02:49:55.680 the Cuomo clan.

02:49:57.120 So, again,

02:49:58.580 and that governor

02:49:59.700 may end up

02:50:00.460 and Curtis Lee,

02:50:01.940 what was right,

02:50:02.960 is that there's

02:50:03.620 a really good chance

02:50:04.540 that you're going

02:50:05.100 to have

02:50:05.540 a Republican governor

02:50:07.000 in the state

02:50:07.380 of New York.

02:50:07.860 and that may be

02:50:09.140 the only way

02:50:10.520 to hold

02:50:11.220 Mom Donnie

02:50:12.360 in check.

02:50:13.660 But, you know,

02:50:14.980 Cuomo didn't get

02:50:15.680 the message

02:50:16.280 and he showed up

02:50:17.060 tonight

02:50:17.420 and he was like

02:50:18.600 carrying the water

02:50:19.380 for the Democratic

02:50:21.160 establishment,

02:50:22.680 which that may be

02:50:24.360 the only thing

02:50:25.300 that you can do

02:50:25.900 at this point.

02:50:26.420 I don't know.

02:50:27.260 But it doesn't instill

02:50:28.220 a ton of confidence

02:50:29.000 in the person

02:50:30.260 that's trying

02:50:30.680 to pull together

02:50:31.480 a unit

02:50:31.940 to take out 0.68

02:50:32.600 the communists. 0.93

02:50:34.620 Well, let's talk

02:50:35.160 about Cuomo's

02:50:36.020 biggest drop ball

02:50:37.400 and that to me

02:50:38.340 was when they

02:50:39.040 asked him,

02:50:40.140 hey,

02:50:40.980 is there anything

02:50:41.700 that you've learned

02:50:43.040 or somehow

02:50:44.040 that you've improved

02:50:45.060 and experienced

02:50:45.700 or something

02:50:46.260 of a deep level?

02:50:47.580 And he literally

02:50:48.180 said,

02:50:48.860 social media.

02:50:50.160 He said,

02:50:50.500 I wasn't on TikTok

02:50:51.460 before,

02:50:52.460 but now I'm going

02:50:54.000 to focus on...

02:50:54.840 And then they went

02:50:55.360 back to him.

02:50:55.880 They said,

02:50:56.160 sir,

02:50:56.540 we're talking

02:50:57.280 about you learning

02:50:58.140 about something

02:50:58.980 that you feel

02:51:00.600 like you've gained

02:51:01.500 some experience on.

02:51:02.620 But Cliff,

02:51:02.880 his answer was so bad.

02:51:04.980 They tried to give

02:51:05.780 the old man

02:51:06.480 a second chance.

02:51:07.400 It's not just

02:51:10.200 TikTok, buddy.

02:51:11.080 There's a couple

02:51:11.580 other things.

02:51:13.100 Yeah, I mean,

02:51:14.040 just echoing

02:51:14.800 how unappealing

02:51:16.140 both of these candidates

02:51:17.280 other than

02:51:18.340 Zoran Mamdani

02:51:19.500 are to the younger

02:51:20.560 generation.

02:51:22.680 Sliwa,

02:51:23.500 look,

02:51:24.280 personally speaking,

02:51:25.140 I think he is

02:51:25.740 so unlikable 0.72

02:51:26.900 and unappealing

02:51:28.240 to the younger eye.

02:51:29.760 I think he's just

02:51:30.380 this...

02:51:31.400 He keeps quoting

02:51:32.980 the Guardian Angels

02:51:33.820 over and over again.

02:51:35.040 And to us,

02:51:35.500 we don't even know

02:51:36.200 what that is.

02:51:37.140 And I was texting

02:51:38.100 my friends

02:51:38.560 who live in New York.

02:51:40.140 They don't even know

02:51:40.740 what that is.

02:51:41.100 That's from, like,

02:51:41.680 a different generation,

02:51:43.000 I feel like.

02:51:43.740 And then on top of that,

02:51:44.980 you have him saying,

02:51:45.980 you know,

02:51:46.620 for transportation,

02:51:48.000 he's not going to

02:51:48.620 take a yellow cab

02:51:49.460 because, you know,

02:51:50.260 the Gavitis

02:51:50.840 and the Gambonis 0.99

02:51:52.060 shot me when I was 0.60

02:51:53.200 in the back of a cab.

02:51:54.180 And it just seems

02:51:55.000 too, like,

02:51:55.740 theatrical at times

02:51:57.080 with him.

02:51:58.100 And for Cuomo,

02:52:00.220 he's saying that

02:52:01.460 he's one of the

02:52:02.400 biggest takeaways

02:52:02.920 or one of the

02:52:03.440 newest things he's done

02:52:04.180 is get on TikTok

02:52:05.000 on social media.

02:52:06.080 It's just he doesn't

02:52:07.020 understand the younger

02:52:07.980 generation.

02:52:08.740 I don't think

02:52:09.140 either of them do.

02:52:10.400 I think Zoran Mamdani

02:52:11.900 to the independent

02:52:12.820 voter is just,

02:52:13.920 you know,

02:52:14.400 if I'm going to vote,

02:52:15.400 I might as well vote

02:52:16.280 for Mamdani

02:52:16.960 since he's the only one.

02:52:18.120 But they didn't

02:52:19.060 spend enough time

02:52:19.840 talking about

02:52:20.620 his policies

02:52:21.660 that are so

02:52:22.500 beyond radical,

02:52:23.760 things that could

02:52:24.340 actually sway voters

02:52:25.980 away from him,

02:52:27.260 which is,

02:52:27.760 you know,

02:52:28.160 the decriminalization

02:52:29.380 of prostitution

02:52:30.320 or bringing

02:52:31.660 OnlyFans culture,

02:52:33.180 which is just

02:52:33.640 so toxic.

02:52:34.860 He wants this

02:52:35.620 on the streets

02:52:36.340 like you want to

02:52:37.020 turn New York

02:52:37.580 into a third world

02:52:38.500 country.

02:52:39.520 And they didn't

02:52:40.040 talk about this

02:52:40.560 enough.

02:52:40.940 They didn't bring

02:52:41.340 it up enough.

02:52:42.120 They didn't hammer

02:52:42.920 him on it enough.

02:52:45.020 It's,

02:52:46.240 I don't know.

02:52:47.080 I don't think

02:52:47.760 that they did

02:52:48.620 enough that they

02:52:50.360 should have done.

02:52:51.660 to push back

02:52:52.400 on him

02:52:52.760 and his policies.

02:52:53.940 I mean,

02:52:54.200 he's literally

02:52:55.460 the most radical

02:52:56.480 candidate in the

02:52:57.480 country right now

02:52:58.280 when it comes

02:52:59.100 to some of

02:52:59.540 his policies.

02:53:00.900 I want to give

02:53:02.080 a point of that

02:53:02.660 because this is

02:53:04.860 a clip that

02:53:05.280 will actually

02:53:05.820 illustrate what

02:53:07.180 you're saying.

02:53:07.620 Play clip 305.

02:53:10.160 He literally

02:53:10.740 has never had

02:53:11.640 a job.

02:53:12.800 On his resume

02:53:13.600 it says he

02:53:14.140 interned for his

02:53:14.840 mother.

02:53:15.720 This is not a

02:53:16.840 job for a

02:53:18.100 first-timer.

02:53:19.140 Any day,

02:53:20.220 you could have

02:53:20.680 a hurricane,

02:53:21.120 God forbid,

02:53:22.580 a 9-11,

02:53:23.780 a health

02:53:24.260 pandemic.

02:53:25.520 If you don't

02:53:26.140 know what you're

02:53:26.840 doing,

02:53:27.340 people could die.

02:53:28.500 And if we have

02:53:30.580 a health pandemic,

02:53:31.420 then why would

02:53:31.980 New Yorkers

02:53:32.480 turn back to

02:53:33.100 the governor

02:53:33.480 who sent

02:53:33.980 seniors to

02:53:34.460 their death

02:53:34.820 in nursing homes?

02:53:35.700 That's the

02:53:36.200 kind of experience

02:53:36.980 that's on offer

02:53:37.540 here today.

02:53:38.240 What I don't

02:53:38.520 have an experience,

02:53:39.240 I make up for

02:53:39.760 an integrity.

02:53:40.560 And what you

02:53:40.980 don't have an

02:53:41.440 integrity,

02:53:41.820 you could never

02:53:42.280 make up for

02:53:42.840 an experience.

02:53:43.240 I mean...

02:53:45.720 Literally

02:53:46.000 just torched him.

02:53:46.660 Come on.

02:53:47.300 Literally

02:53:47.580 torched.

02:53:49.080 Yeah. 0.92

02:53:49.760 Buried him.

02:53:51.120 Yeah,

02:53:51.480 again,

02:53:52.760 I mean,

02:53:53.200 he basically

02:53:54.020 just gave

02:53:54.820 points over

02:53:55.480 to the younger

02:53:55.940 generation.

02:53:56.780 For Gen Z,

02:53:57.880 they're graduating

02:53:58.720 college with a

02:53:59.840 labor market that's 1.00

02:54:00.620 already shrinking

02:54:01.540 with degrees and

02:54:03.480 jobs that don't

02:54:04.560 even exist.

02:54:05.800 And so they see

02:54:06.540 this candidate who's

02:54:07.660 getting made fun of

02:54:08.500 on a national stage

02:54:09.480 for not having a

02:54:10.380 job when most

02:54:11.400 Gen Z can't even 1.00

02:54:12.320 find jobs right

02:54:13.440 now.

02:54:14.160 So you just

02:54:14.920 basically won him

02:54:16.060 more points with

02:54:16.940 the younger

02:54:17.260 generation.

02:54:18.320 And then on top

02:54:18.920 of that,

02:54:19.420 they just saw

02:54:20.240 Zoran Mamdani

02:54:21.700 absolutely destroy

02:54:22.980 Cuomo.

02:54:24.460 He's winning more

02:54:25.320 points.

02:54:26.320 Congratulations,

02:54:27.020 Cuomo.

02:54:28.280 Well,

02:54:28.800 and I think

02:54:29.200 Cuomo's problem is...

02:54:30.240 that's exactly what

02:54:30.320 I was going to ask

02:54:30.820 you,

02:54:31.080 because how does

02:54:32.560 that...

02:54:33.320 Like,

02:54:33.480 you think that's

02:54:33.960 going to work

02:54:34.560 with younger

02:54:35.380 voters?

02:54:36.020 Or you think

02:54:36.300 that's going to

02:54:36.720 work with his

02:54:37.240 base?

02:54:37.620 He's appealing...

02:54:38.320 You're burnishing

02:54:39.720 his credentials to

02:54:40.800 his core

02:54:41.340 base by saying,

02:54:42.640 oh,

02:54:42.800 you've never

02:54:43.360 had a real

02:54:43.800 job.

02:54:44.140 And it's like,

02:54:44.600 well,

02:54:44.800 neither have so

02:54:45.800 many of them.

02:54:46.820 That's kind of

02:54:47.420 the whole point,

02:54:48.740 right?

02:54:49.200 And then you

02:54:49.840 turn around and

02:54:50.360 it's like,

02:54:50.680 dude,

02:54:50.860 you're a Cuomo.

02:54:51.800 Like,

02:54:51.980 you want to

02:54:52.280 talk about

02:54:52.820 somebody's dad

02:54:54.020 and mom being

02:54:54.880 famous and

02:54:55.600 help you get

02:54:55.960 a job?

02:54:56.540 Like,

02:54:56.760 your whole

02:54:57.160 career is based

02:54:57.880 on nepotism.

02:54:58.680 So,

02:54:58.880 I mean,

02:54:59.140 it is what

02:55:00.080 it is.

02:55:00.520 Like,

02:55:00.660 I just wouldn't

02:55:01.100 open myself up.

02:55:01.940 And then he

02:55:02.260 opens his

02:55:02.620 off with COVID,

02:55:03.760 which is going

02:55:04.340 to blast him

02:55:05.440 with anyone who

02:55:06.020 might still be

02:55:06.660 undecided or

02:55:07.820 independent.

02:55:08.400 I mean,

02:55:08.740 it,

02:55:09.600 like,

02:55:10.220 I thought this

02:55:11.540 guy was supposed

02:55:11.920 to be a good

02:55:12.340 politician.

02:55:12.980 I'm like,

02:55:13.300 not really sure

02:55:13.980 what happened

02:55:14.400 here.

02:55:15.600 Well,

02:55:15.960 and I think,

02:55:16.420 look,

02:55:16.600 you have to

02:55:17.020 pick a lane,

02:55:18.080 right?

02:55:18.360 You have to

02:55:18.880 pick a lane.

02:55:19.440 And I think

02:55:19.680 Cuomo's problem

02:55:20.440 is he's just

02:55:21.020 all over the

02:55:21.680 map.

02:55:22.500 I mean,

02:55:22.720 and when you're

02:55:23.180 running as a

02:55:23.760 change candidate,

02:55:24.600 the problem is

02:55:25.700 the past that

02:55:27.380 you want to

02:55:27.760 change,

02:55:28.240 you used to

02:55:28.860 be governor.

02:55:29.760 So,

02:55:30.180 you're running

02:55:30.480 this whole

02:55:30.880 campaign trying

02:55:31.720 to call out

02:55:32.320 that we need

02:55:32.700 to fix things

02:55:33.400 because obviously

02:55:33.980 New York

02:55:34.500 is in the

02:55:35.680 gutter at the

02:55:36.640 moment.

02:55:37.320 And you have

02:55:38.500 to then call

02:55:39.140 out things

02:55:39.560 from the past

02:55:40.220 and to bring

02:55:41.060 up COVID,

02:55:41.700 to me,

02:55:42.240 like,

02:55:42.820 that was just,

02:55:43.740 I mean,

02:55:44.400 everybody knows

02:55:45.740 how bad he was

02:55:46.720 on COVID,

02:55:47.300 even people on

02:55:47.960 the left.

02:55:48.760 I mean,

02:55:48.900 when I was in

02:55:49.300 New York City,

02:55:49.680 you guys remember,

02:55:50.400 you had to have

02:55:50.780 the COVID pass

02:55:52.080 just to literally

02:55:53.120 eat,

02:55:54.220 right?

02:55:54.600 Luckily,

02:55:55.080 I won't want to

02:55:55.500 admit this on air

02:55:56.220 because it might

02:55:56.560 be a felony,

02:55:57.160 but luckily I had

02:55:57.820 a card on me

02:55:58.620 and was able to

02:55:59.880 get into some

02:56:00.340 restaurants,

02:56:01.000 but like,

02:56:01.980 that was horrific

02:56:02.940 and so many

02:56:03.660 people,

02:56:04.040 I don't care

02:56:04.380 what side

02:56:04.880 of the aisle

02:56:05.180 you're on,

02:56:05.820 they don't

02:56:06.120 forget that

02:56:06.680 stuff.

02:56:07.220 And so you

02:56:07.500 can't run

02:56:07.960 as a change

02:56:08.520 candidate if

02:56:09.540 you were part

02:56:10.200 of the things

02:56:10.680 that you're

02:56:10.920 now trying

02:56:11.380 to change.

02:56:11.900 It doesn't

02:56:12.320 add up.

02:56:13.900 Yeah,

02:56:14.560 I just imagine

02:56:15.580 if Cuomo

02:56:16.180 hit back

02:56:17.060 with a long

02:56:17.880 list of,

02:56:19.100 wait,

02:56:19.300 aren't you

02:56:19.600 the candidate

02:56:20.100 for end

02:56:20.720 cash bail,

02:56:21.620 repeal walking

02:56:22.460 while trans 0.99

02:56:23.160 ban,

02:56:23.560 decriminalize

02:56:24.200 sex work,

02:56:24.940 legalize marijuana,

02:56:25.940 permit safe

02:56:26.520 injection sites,

02:56:27.760 state run

02:56:28.180 grocery stores,

02:56:29.840 restrict

02:56:30.140 solitary

02:56:30.600 confinement,

02:56:31.560 enact elder

02:56:32.120 parole.

02:56:32.580 He could

02:56:34.320 have hit

02:56:34.660 him back,

02:56:35.240 but I don't

02:56:36.240 even think

02:56:36.660 he prepped

02:56:37.160 for this

02:56:37.620 debate.

02:56:38.280 I don't.

02:56:42.580 No,

02:56:43.140 his prep

02:56:43.680 was like,

02:56:44.080 I'm going 0.97

02:56:44.300 to hang

02:56:44.580 out and

02:56:45.080 I'm going

02:56:45.340 to beat 1.00

02:56:46.300 him up

02:56:46.620 because he

02:56:46.920 never had

02:56:47.280 a real

02:56:47.620 job.

02:56:48.300 I'm going

02:56:48.920 to show

02:56:49.420 how good

02:56:49.880 I am.

02:56:51.080 I'm Andrew

02:56:51.840 Cuomo and I'm

02:56:52.720 going to do

02:56:53.120 this.

02:56:53.500 It's going

02:56:53.800 to be great

02:56:54.420 and I'm

02:56:55.640 going to come

02:56:56.040 in there

02:56:56.520 and talk

02:56:57.320 about all

02:56:57.860 the things

02:56:58.360 that I

02:56:58.680 did when

02:56:59.060 I was

02:56:59.460 the governor

02:57:00.380 and Trump

02:57:01.660 and COVID.

02:57:03.300 I'm sorry,

02:57:04.120 it's like,

02:57:05.000 where's

02:57:05.700 trying to

02:57:07.580 connect

02:57:07.800 to voters?

02:57:09.260 It was

02:57:09.480 very Biden-esque.

02:57:10.480 It wasn't

02:57:11.260 obviously as

02:57:11.820 bad and

02:57:13.140 empty as 0.62

02:57:15.480 Biden was,

02:57:16.360 but it was

02:57:16.900 the same

02:57:17.380 type of

02:57:17.820 attitude,

02:57:18.500 which was

02:57:18.820 like,

02:57:19.520 we're going

02:57:19.920 to run

02:57:20.180 it back

02:57:20.700 like what

02:57:21.120 I did

02:57:21.420 with Obama

02:57:22.000 and we're

02:57:22.420 going to

02:57:22.600 come back

02:57:23.240 and we're

02:57:23.480 going to

02:57:23.660 do this

02:57:24.020 all over

02:57:24.480 again.

02:57:24.800 And again,

02:57:26.640 that just

02:57:26.880 never works.

02:57:27.800 People just

02:57:28.300 don't believe

02:57:29.020 it.

02:57:29.440 They don't

02:57:29.820 believe that

02:57:30.780 Cuomo was

02:57:31.880 good to

02:57:32.380 begin with.

02:57:33.580 He's right

02:57:33.940 now just

02:57:34.380 like,

02:57:35.080 I'm a little

02:57:36.720 scared of

02:57:37.240 Mom Donnie

02:57:37.860 and so I'm

02:57:39.240 going to

02:57:39.420 throw my

02:57:39.800 vote his

02:57:40.260 way,

02:57:40.600 but he

02:57:40.900 did nothing

02:57:41.480 to actually

02:57:42.140 show he's

02:57:42.820 a qualified

02:57:45.300 leader for

02:57:46.920 any party

02:57:48.360 and certainly

02:57:49.260 not for the

02:57:49.820 largest city

02:57:50.340 in America.

02:57:51.660 I would

02:57:52.340 also point

02:57:53.620 out one

02:57:54.200 thing too

02:57:54.660 is that

02:57:55.160 his intent

02:57:59.000 to go

02:58:01.020 after Mom

02:58:01.940 Donnie

02:58:02.440 seemed like

02:58:03.580 it was just

02:58:04.060 like axe

02:58:04.620 grinding type

02:58:05.560 stuff throughout

02:58:06.640 the whole thing.

02:58:07.420 He was just

02:58:08.320 upset that

02:58:09.220 Democrats

02:58:09.760 within the

02:58:10.780 city had

02:58:11.720 kind of

02:58:11.960 cast him

02:58:12.440 aside.

02:58:13.600 And again,

02:58:13.920 we've seen

02:58:15.060 this over

02:58:15.540 and over

02:58:15.960 again throughout

02:58:17.240 American history.

02:58:18.360 Whenever you

02:58:18.860 try that,

02:58:19.420 even when

02:58:19.760 you're

02:58:19.960 extraordinarily

02:58:20.540 popular,

02:58:21.980 people sense

02:58:22.940 that and

02:58:23.840 they sense

02:58:24.260 the kind

02:58:24.980 of self

02:58:25.340 righteousness

02:58:25.760 when you're

02:58:26.380 in that.

02:58:26.860 And that's

02:58:27.100 all that

02:58:27.640 came through

02:58:28.060 tonight was

02:58:28.780 I'm great

02:58:29.920 just like Joe

02:58:30.780 Biden would

02:58:31.320 do when

02:58:32.660 he would

02:58:33.220 talk and

02:58:33.820 everyone would

02:58:34.200 be like,

02:58:34.500 oh no,

02:58:34.880 Joe,

02:58:35.140 stop talking.

02:58:36.420 And it

02:58:37.080 just comes

02:58:37.520 across

02:58:37.960 extraordinarily

02:58:39.120 disingenuous.

02:58:40.100 I think one

02:58:41.660 of the biggest

02:58:42.180 missteps

02:58:42.860 from both

02:58:44.260 not

02:58:45.080 Mondani

02:58:45.520 but the

02:58:45.780 other two

02:58:46.180 was they

02:58:46.520 really didn't

02:58:47.360 paint him

02:58:48.080 into the

02:58:49.440 radical corner

02:58:50.140 and to

02:58:50.640 expose him

02:58:51.340 for a lot

02:58:51.680 of things.

02:58:52.020 Mikey,

02:58:52.280 you just

02:58:52.500 read off

02:58:52.840 a lot

02:58:53.080 of the

02:58:53.280 list.

02:58:54.180 But the

02:58:54.600 funniest

02:58:54.860 part was

02:58:55.460 the moment

02:58:56.080 that showed

02:58:56.840 me just

02:58:57.260 how radical

02:58:57.940 Mondani

02:58:58.500 is was not

02:58:59.900 the others

02:59:00.300 calling him

02:59:00.740 out.

02:59:01.140 It was him

02:59:01.660 saying FDR

02:59:03.140 was his

02:59:03.780 favorite

02:59:04.200 president.

02:59:05.320 That to me

02:59:05.840 was like,

02:59:06.320 it's such a

02:59:06.940 calculated response,

02:59:08.300 but the

02:59:09.000 fact that he

02:59:09.460 didn't say

02:59:09.860 Obama,

02:59:10.860 I was

02:59:11.200 thinking to

02:59:11.540 myself,

02:59:12.160 I didn't

02:59:12.740 know he

02:59:13.060 had past

02:59:13.420 statements

02:59:13.780 against

02:59:14.100 Obama.

02:59:14.620 I mean,

02:59:14.760 this guy

02:59:15.180 is about

02:59:15.480 as far

02:59:15.840 to the

02:59:16.060 left as

02:59:16.380 you can

02:59:16.660 get.

02:59:17.440 But that

02:59:17.920 to me

02:59:18.180 was a

02:59:18.440 pretty big

02:59:18.840 moment.

02:59:19.200 That he

02:59:19.560 would say

02:59:19.900 FDR over

02:59:20.880 Obama.

02:59:22.080 I don't

02:59:22.660 really know

02:59:22.900 what that

02:59:23.160 says or

02:59:23.880 who he's

02:59:24.200 playing to,

02:59:24.900 but that

02:59:25.160 to me

02:59:25.360 was pretty

02:59:25.740 wild.

02:59:27.580 I want

02:59:28.200 to play

02:59:28.740 this clip

02:59:30.220 here because

02:59:30.760 this is

02:59:31.120 something that

02:59:31.740 Charlie

02:59:32.560 talked about

02:59:33.460 a lot.

02:59:35.020 And

02:59:35.460 here it

02:59:37.040 is coming

02:59:37.600 up

02:59:37.880 live in

02:59:39.120 the New

02:59:39.300 York City

02:59:39.660 mayoral

02:59:40.060 debate.

02:59:40.380 It's

02:59:40.440 clip

02:59:40.620 332.

02:59:42.580 In the

02:59:43.060 Democratic

02:59:43.480 primary for

02:59:44.200 him to

02:59:44.480 set foot

02:59:45.020 in a

02:59:45.320 mosque.

02:59:45.820 He had

02:59:46.160 more than

02:59:46.460 10 years

02:59:47.480 and he

02:59:48.020 couldn't

02:59:48.300 name a

02:59:48.680 single

02:59:49.020 mosque at

02:59:49.480 the last

02:59:49.800 debate we

02:59:50.200 had that

02:59:50.540 he visited.

02:59:51.240 And what

02:59:51.560 Muslims want 1.00

02:59:52.220 in this

02:59:52.500 city is

02:59:52.840 what every

02:59:53.360 community

02:59:53.760 wants and

02:59:54.260 deserves.

02:59:54.920 They want

02:59:55.240 equality and

02:59:56.080 they want

02:59:56.360 respect.

02:59:57.020 And it

02:59:57.300 took me

02:59:57.900 to get

02:59:58.480 you to

02:59:59.200 even see

02:59:59.820 those

03:00:00.080 Muslims as

03:00:00.600 part of

03:00:00.920 this

03:00:01.080 city.

03:00:01.520 And that

03:00:01.820 frankly is

03:00:02.900 something that

03:00:03.540 is shameful

03:00:04.100 and is why

03:00:04.840 so many

03:00:05.480 New Yorkers

03:00:07.880 I've worked

03:00:10.300 with the

03:00:10.620 Muslim

03:00:10.880 community

03:00:11.480 for many

03:00:11.980 many years.

03:00:12.760 Name a

03:00:12.940 single mosque

03:00:13.680 you went to

03:00:14.060 when you

03:00:14.220 were the

03:00:14.400 governor.

03:00:15.260 Can you

03:00:15.740 name a

03:00:16.000 single mosque

03:00:16.500 you went to

03:00:16.840 in 10

03:00:17.140 years?

03:00:17.640 Before you

03:00:17.660 were ever

03:00:18.000 here.

03:00:19.240 Before I

03:00:19.760 was here.

03:00:23.000 So we

03:00:24.460 are what

03:00:25.220 24 years

03:00:27.100 since 9-11

03:00:28.620 two and a

03:00:30.820 half decades

03:00:31.380 give or take

03:00:31.980 and at the

03:00:33.600 New York

03:00:34.160 City

03:00:34.560 mayoral

03:00:35.840 debate

03:00:36.160 a serious

03:00:38.040 question is

03:00:38.700 being held

03:00:39.660 an accusation

03:00:40.700 you didn't

03:00:41.780 go to a

03:00:42.440 mosque.

03:00:43.280 How dare

03:00:43.720 you not

03:00:44.320 go to a

03:00:45.180 mosque?

03:00:46.600 Charlie

03:00:46.980 always warned

03:00:48.100 about the

03:00:48.900 Islamization

03:00:49.780 of America.

03:00:51.800 I think

03:00:52.080 that and

03:00:52.800 we were

03:00:53.180 talking in

03:00:53.580 the preview

03:00:53.900 a little

03:00:54.180 bit and

03:00:54.880 that with

03:00:55.880 Andrew that

03:00:56.480 you know I

03:00:57.220 think going

03:00:57.720 to London

03:00:58.320 and seeing

03:00:59.040 how far

03:00:59.680 it had

03:00:59.940 come and

03:01:00.460 then coming

03:01:00.900 back and

03:01:01.440 realizing that

03:01:02.120 that was

03:01:02.420 coming to

03:01:02.860 New York

03:01:03.200 I think

03:01:03.480 that had a

03:01:03.880 huge

03:01:04.080 impression on

03:01:04.720 him and

03:01:06.080 there you

03:01:07.020 go that's

03:01:07.680 exactly what

03:01:08.520 Charlie predicted

03:01:09.240 that that

03:01:10.100 becomes a

03:01:10.740 question and

03:01:11.320 a huge

03:01:11.800 moment inside

03:01:12.780 the debate

03:01:13.400 in New York

03:01:14.580 City itself.

03:01:16.340 Mikey you

03:01:16.740 were on that

03:01:17.360 trip with him

03:01:17.860 to Oxford

03:01:18.700 and Cambridge

03:01:19.300 and when he

03:01:20.440 came back

03:01:21.040 and made

03:01:22.360 those comments

03:01:23.000 is that

03:01:23.440 something that

03:01:24.480 you think

03:01:24.780 really kind of

03:01:25.560 drove where he

03:01:26.000 was coming

03:01:26.300 from?

03:01:27.140 Yeah big

03:01:27.660 time but

03:01:28.440 not just in

03:01:29.480 London which

03:01:30.460 is now

03:01:31.260 basically a

03:01:32.400 third world

03:01:33.100 Sharia 0.99

03:01:33.620 hellhole and

03:01:35.040 and when

03:01:35.400 you're in

03:01:35.740 your hotel

03:01:39.500 room in

03:01:40.200 London you're

03:01:41.320 going through

03:01:42.100 the TV

03:01:42.580 channels and

03:01:43.760 you realize

03:01:44.380 that they

03:01:44.960 have Qatar 0.68

03:01:45.680 TV and

03:01:47.200 they have

03:01:47.620 Omar TV

03:01:48.520 and it

03:01:50.060 goes down

03:01:50.560 to the

03:01:50.780 Syria TV

03:01:51.580 and they

03:01:52.360 have every

03:01:52.920 single Middle 0.89

03:01:54.140 Eastern countries

03:01:54.960 TV networks

03:01:56.000 and you

03:01:57.220 realize this

03:01:57.880 is no

03:01:58.760 longer

03:01:59.440 London

03:02:00.560 this is no

03:02:01.240 longer the

03:02:01.560 United Kingdom

03:02:01.920 and recently

03:02:03.100 it's debated

03:02:04.140 right now

03:02:04.680 if Qatar

03:02:05.300 actually owns

03:02:06.440 more land

03:02:07.180 in London

03:02:07.620 than the

03:02:08.340 royal family

03:02:08.920 does and

03:02:09.800 I'm 99%

03:02:10.860 sure that's

03:02:11.440 true and

03:02:12.620 they're just

03:02:13.240 buying up land

03:02:14.140 non-stop and

03:02:15.060 it's not just

03:02:15.480 in London it's

03:02:16.100 in Oxford it

03:02:16.920 was in

03:02:17.200 Cambridge both

03:02:18.380 in the student

03:02:18.860 body that we

03:02:19.480 saw but also

03:02:20.420 in the towns

03:02:21.140 you'd see these

03:02:22.060 beautiful towns

03:02:23.220 that are

03:02:23.680 picturesque from

03:02:24.900 medieval England

03:02:26.420 that have just

03:02:27.440 been destroyed

03:02:28.400 and desecrated

03:02:29.100 by a big

03:02:29.820 mosque that's

03:02:30.700 blaring music

03:02:31.920 in the middle

03:02:32.700 of the day

03:02:33.180 like Dearborn

03:02:33.820 Michigan

03:02:34.240 and I think

03:02:35.980 the trajectory

03:02:36.680 is really scary

03:02:37.600 here in America's

03:02:38.440 biggest city

03:02:39.060 that the debate

03:02:40.360 is about

03:02:40.880 visiting a mosque

03:02:42.200 Charlie warned

03:02:43.680 about this all

03:02:44.100 the time but

03:02:44.640 what's going to

03:02:45.500 be next

03:02:46.080 did you as

03:02:47.080 governor not

03:02:48.040 approve

03:02:48.960 Sharia law

03:02:49.960 10 years from

03:02:50.860 now I'm

03:02:52.120 really worried

03:02:52.900 with the

03:02:53.620 trajectory that

03:02:54.400 this is headed

03:02:54.960 Charlie was a

03:02:56.080 big advocate

03:02:56.780 about warning

03:02:57.680 of the Islamization 0.97

03:02:59.700 of America

03:03:01.220 it's coming

03:03:01.880 it's a threat

03:03:02.620 they outbreed

03:03:04.000 they will take

03:03:05.560 over everything

03:03:06.260 they touch

03:03:06.880 and then the

03:03:07.920 sword comes

03:03:08.500 so I think

03:03:09.780 this is a big

03:03:10.540 threat and a

03:03:11.240 big warning sign

03:03:12.080 to America

03:03:12.580 that in America's

03:03:13.760 biggest city

03:03:14.240 this is a

03:03:14.780 debate topic

03:03:15.640 what

03:03:16.620 what

03:03:17.240 that's

03:03:20.520 that's

03:03:20.840 wild

03:03:21.080 and look

03:03:21.500 so let's

03:03:22.320 let me ask

03:03:22.980 one of the

03:03:23.260 other old heads

03:03:23.940 around here

03:03:24.540 Cliff

03:03:26.740 can you

03:03:29.100 believe that

03:03:29.760 we're sitting

03:03:30.180 here

03:03:30.680 again two

03:03:32.620 and a half

03:03:32.980 decades after

03:03:34.020 watching those

03:03:34.720 towers come

03:03:35.340 down finding

03:03:36.060 out who did

03:03:36.660 that and

03:03:37.720 then and

03:03:39.020 then this

03:03:39.480 becomes a

03:03:40.040 centerpiece of

03:03:40.600 the debate

03:03:41.000 New York

03:03:42.480 same city

03:03:43.100 yeah and

03:03:44.660 like I said

03:03:45.080 I mean this

03:03:45.660 debate really

03:03:46.240 didn't go

03:03:46.960 deep on a

03:03:47.560 lot of

03:03:47.820 issues so

03:03:48.420 for them to

03:03:48.820 spend so

03:03:49.380 much time

03:03:49.940 on this

03:03:50.380 issue you

03:03:51.420 know to

03:03:51.660 me just

03:03:52.000 shows that

03:03:52.480 the party

03:03:52.900 has kind

03:03:53.300 of lost

03:03:53.640 its way

03:03:54.180 no I

03:03:55.280 would have

03:03:55.480 never guessed

03:03:55.920 that you

03:03:56.320 know two

03:03:56.620 decades later

03:03:57.280 that this

03:03:57.660 becomes a

03:03:58.160 topic that

03:03:58.660 we discuss

03:03:59.320 but I

03:04:00.460 agree with

03:04:00.800 you guys

03:04:01.080 I mean I

03:04:01.460 went to

03:04:01.940 London and

03:04:02.300 I think the

03:04:02.740 trips when

03:04:03.680 you see it

03:04:04.320 it's very

03:04:04.660 different I

03:04:06.020 think Elon

03:04:06.420 Musk was the 0.96

03:04:06.920 first person

03:04:07.460 to really post

03:04:08.060 about it I'm

03:04:08.500 like well you

03:04:09.100 know but when

03:04:09.440 you go there

03:04:10.100 and you kind

03:04:10.520 of see how

03:04:11.540 they turn

03:04:11.920 into third

03:04:12.360 world countries

03:04:13.040 with this

03:04:13.480 endless

03:04:13.900 immigration and

03:04:15.660 then we're

03:04:16.540 looking at

03:04:16.960 New York

03:04:17.280 City the

03:04:17.960 finance capital

03:04:18.740 of the world

03:04:19.300 and that's

03:04:20.780 the topic of

03:04:21.440 discussion I

03:04:22.200 mean that

03:04:22.480 should be a

03:04:22.880 moment of

03:04:23.240 self-reflection

03:04:23.900 for all of

03:04:24.500 us right

03:04:25.260 we're not

03:04:25.540 talking about

03:04:26.060 lowering taxes

03:04:26.820 we're not

03:04:27.100 talking about

03:04:27.500 creating jobs

03:04:28.380 we're doing

03:04:29.240 a litmus test

03:04:30.180 on if a

03:04:31.440 person running

03:04:32.020 for political

03:04:32.600 office has

03:04:33.760 been in a

03:04:34.180 mosque I

03:04:34.920 think that's

03:04:35.280 a wild

03:04:35.940 wild interaction

03:04:37.180 yeah and I

03:04:40.060 would just

03:04:40.360 point out too

03:04:41.060 it's really

03:04:42.040 scary what's

03:04:43.200 going to be

03:04:43.480 happening here

03:04:43.960 to New York

03:04:44.580 because we've

03:04:45.400 talked a lot

03:04:46.000 about the

03:04:47.980 the communization

03:04:49.880 whatever you want

03:04:51.020 to call it

03:04:51.580 you know adding

03:04:52.820 more communism

03:04:53.680 and socialism

03:04:54.700 to the city

03:04:55.560 I mean this

03:04:56.560 guy is literally

03:04:57.300 a member of

03:04:58.000 DSA the

03:04:59.160 democratic

03:04:59.560 socialists of

03:05:00.320 America these

03:05:01.120 guys celebrate

03:05:02.160 the Russian

03:05:03.040 revolution as a

03:05:04.120 holiday that

03:05:05.000 that's who these

03:05:05.540 people are they

03:05:06.280 celebrate the

03:05:07.720 Russian revolution

03:05:08.520 and we're going

03:05:10.780 to see this

03:05:11.580 this complete

03:05:12.460 change in New

03:05:13.300 York of in

03:05:14.020 groups and

03:05:15.180 out groups with

03:05:16.140 with as far as

03:05:16.800 culture goes but

03:05:18.440 as people are

03:05:19.380 coming in I

03:05:20.060 mean we're going

03:05:20.480 to have an

03:05:21.220 eradication of

03:05:22.860 culture within

03:05:23.680 New York City

03:05:24.340 as we know it

03:05:25.180 with people

03:05:26.000 leaving the

03:05:26.680 city we

03:05:27.980 already had

03:05:28.700 literally hundreds

03:05:30.920 of thousands of

03:05:31.540 people leave the

03:05:32.240 city permanently

03:05:32.940 from New York

03:05:33.760 during COVID

03:05:34.840 and now you're

03:05:36.740 going to have

03:05:37.180 because of the

03:05:37.900 election of this

03:05:39.280 mayor tons of

03:05:41.080 people leave but

03:05:41.840 it's not just the

03:05:42.800 communism that

03:05:43.600 you're going to

03:05:44.020 see take place

03:05:45.740 and take footing

03:05:46.940 you're going to

03:05:47.440 see a dramatic

03:05:48.560 increase of

03:05:50.160 Islam in the

03:05:51.000 city certainly

03:05:52.620 I mean it's

03:05:53.340 and this isn't

03:05:54.780 you know looking

03:05:55.320 at this from

03:05:55.880 just a pure

03:05:56.700 racial standpoint

03:05:58.140 or ethnic

03:05:58.660 standpoint it's

03:05:59.780 just it's just

03:06:00.460 the facts of

03:06:01.240 that when you

03:06:02.220 have somebody

03:06:02.680 that represents

03:06:03.440 the city New

03:06:04.540 York City

03:06:05.060 they're likely to

03:06:06.640 attract more

03:06:07.640 of of that

03:06:09.500 culture to the

03:06:10.420 city and if

03:06:11.400 you have a ton

03:06:12.140 of people leaving

03:06:12.940 because they feel

03:06:13.840 like communism's

03:06:15.280 taking over the

03:06:15.960 city who is

03:06:17.380 going to move

03:06:17.880 into the city

03:06:18.500 and that's

03:06:20.040 why the

03:06:20.540 Islamization of

03:06:21.860 London and

03:06:23.040 other European

03:06:24.040 cities is is

03:06:25.760 so in line

03:06:27.420 with New York

03:06:27.860 City where you're

03:06:28.460 going to see

03:06:28.920 this you're

03:06:29.860 going to have

03:06:30.420 this really

03:06:31.040 happen in a

03:06:32.440 big way to

03:06:33.180 the same way

03:06:33.640 that we've seen

03:06:34.140 it happen with

03:06:35.740 different subgroups

03:06:36.760 like in Toronto

03:06:37.520 like we just

03:06:38.380 talked about

03:06:38.820 London within

03:06:40.120 Berlin you know

03:06:42.500 cities that we've

03:06:43.160 seen all over

03:06:44.060 Europe including

03:06:45.880 Italy where

03:06:46.700 there's you

03:06:47.540 have this

03:06:48.020 infighting that's

03:06:48.720 happening it's

03:06:49.980 going to create

03:06:50.940 such tension

03:06:52.280 because culture

03:06:53.700 is unstable and

03:06:55.180 that people are

03:06:55.820 leaving in such

03:06:57.180 big numbers that

03:06:58.900 it's going to be

03:06:59.720 really really bad

03:07:01.060 and what that

03:07:02.000 means in the

03:07:02.480 very simple

03:07:02.960 terms for most

03:07:04.000 that we're not

03:07:05.320 really talking

03:07:05.740 about very

03:07:06.640 directly is crime

03:07:07.640 is going to go

03:07:08.280 up there's going

03:07:09.920 to be instability

03:07:10.980 amongst our

03:07:12.920 caregivers within

03:07:14.500 the medical

03:07:15.800 community police

03:07:17.380 are going to

03:07:18.160 struggle to

03:07:19.100 fill jobs

03:07:20.020 because when

03:07:21.800 you have people

03:07:22.320 leave the city

03:07:23.280 that's not just

03:07:24.520 you know

03:07:25.200 businessmen who

03:07:26.340 don't like

03:07:26.800 communism it's

03:07:27.720 also you know

03:07:29.040 good Republican

03:07:29.940 police officers

03:07:30.920 and conservative

03:07:31.480 police officers

03:07:32.320 whether they're

03:07:32.800 conservative

03:07:33.280 Democrats or

03:07:34.120 they're actual

03:07:34.580 conservatives

03:07:35.060 they're going to

03:07:36.200 be leaving the

03:07:37.020 city and getting

03:07:37.520 better jobs

03:07:38.160 elsewhere within

03:07:38.800 communities that

03:07:40.120 they feel more

03:07:40.540 comfortable serving

03:07:41.320 so this is a

03:07:42.960 real problem for

03:07:43.840 New York City

03:07:44.480 there's a number

03:07:46.020 of chain reactions

03:07:47.620 that are going to

03:07:48.120 take place that

03:07:48.940 come from the

03:07:50.140 decision of the

03:07:51.760 Democrat Party to

03:07:52.800 basically hand over

03:07:53.920 all of their the

03:07:55.620 cultural elements to

03:07:56.700 communists and

03:07:57.700 Islamists and that 0.77

03:08:00.020 is what's going to

03:08:00.800 start to make up the

03:08:01.640 context of the

03:08:02.560 future of the

03:08:03.040 Democrat Party and

03:08:04.800 that I mean the

03:08:05.780 winner here is the

03:08:06.720 Republican Party if

03:08:07.720 we can pull

03:08:08.860 ourselves together

03:08:09.700 and actually

03:08:10.720 represent core

03:08:11.600 values to American

03:08:12.920 citizens in a 0.79

03:08:14.440 very clear and

03:08:15.320 concise and open

03:08:16.820 way but Mom

03:08:18.560 Donnie is now

03:08:19.360 going to be the

03:08:20.080 face whether they

03:08:20.680 like it or not he

03:08:21.480 will be the face of

03:08:22.420 the Democrat Party

03:08:23.220 in America

03:08:23.740 I think that's

03:08:25.760 right I want to

03:08:27.200 throw it here by

03:08:28.160 the way to a very

03:08:29.780 good friend of

03:08:30.260 ours play clip

03:08:31.120 three three five

03:08:32.260 and people say I

03:08:34.360 like Mom Donnie

03:08:36.000 because he's

03:08:36.500 authentic but

03:08:37.440 authentic to what

03:08:38.200 and what is he

03:08:38.800 aiming towards he's

03:08:40.500 aiming towards a

03:08:41.680 devolution it's

03:08:42.840 bad either way by

03:08:43.540 the way if he eats

03:08:44.220 with his rice with

03:08:44.900 his hands whether

03:08:45.380 he means it or not

03:08:46.160 he's either

03:08:47.000 authentically gross or 0.99

03:08:48.160 he's being a fake 0.99

03:08:48.920 disgusting person and 0.99

03:08:50.740 in some of the 0.95

03:08:51.280 comments of a

03:08:51.820 TikTok video I made

03:08:52.620 people said but

03:08:53.160 Charlie who are you

03:08:54.080 to judge other

03:08:54.740 cultures no no no

03:08:55.920 that's the point we

03:08:57.780 in Western culture

03:08:58.780 believe that our way

03:08:59.800 of life is the best

03:09:00.660 we're better than

03:09:01.980 Mohammed ism we 0.92

03:09:03.400 don't do female 1.00

03:09:04.520 genital mutilation 0.93

03:09:05.460 well I guess the 0.98

03:09:06.120 trans people do but 1.00

03:09:07.080 we don't do female 1.00

03:09:07.960 genital mutilation we 0.66

03:09:09.600 in the West don't

03:09:10.200 have child marriages

03:09:11.220 we don't believe in

03:09:12.320 honor killings we 0.84

03:09:13.480 don't believe in

03:09:14.340 polygamy we believe in

03:09:16.020 American exceptionalism

03:09:17.140 we believe our

03:09:17.840 culture is better you

03:09:19.500 see in the modern

03:09:20.480 world happiness is the

03:09:22.360 goal feelings are the

03:09:23.900 guide judgment is the

03:09:25.200 ultimate sin and God

03:09:26.580 is the ultimate guess

03:09:27.640 and let me say that

03:09:28.440 again judgment is the

03:09:29.940 ultimate sin you're not

03:09:31.280 allowed to judge others

03:09:32.140 guess what I'm going to

03:09:33.000 judge you if you eat

03:09:33.760 rice with your hands

03:09:34.480 that's bad that's

03:09:35.980 wrong assimilation is a 0.99

03:09:37.840 necessity not a

03:09:38.920 suggestion so good

03:09:43.200 man the the part where

03:09:47.640 he where he corrected

03:09:48.980 himself on the fly he's

03:09:50.240 like we don't do female 1.00

03:09:51.320 genital mutilation well 0.97

03:09:53.040 except for the trans 0.92

03:09:54.300 it's like oh no well

03:09:56.560 listen Charlie Charlie's

03:09:58.620 line on authenticity

03:09:59.420 legend I really think you

03:10:02.480 know Trump showed us

03:10:03.540 that people do care

03:10:05.140 about authenticity I

03:10:06.120 think that's a big

03:10:06.760 reason why Trump won in

03:10:07.840 24 but it's also a

03:10:09.880 problem when the other

03:10:11.600 side the evil side is

03:10:13.840 beating us at the

03:10:14.480 authenticity game I

03:10:15.400 think tonight's debate

03:10:16.180 showed that I think the

03:10:17.540 most authentic person on

03:10:18.900 that stage based on no

03:10:20.900 politics no policies but

03:10:22.360 just watching them hearing

03:10:23.920 them was mom Donnie it 0.94

03:10:25.940 was the same thing with

03:10:26.680 Obama people thought he

03:10:28.400 was authentic we can

03:10:29.400 disagree with their

03:10:30.040 politics all day so

03:10:31.780 sometimes it helps us and

03:10:33.100 I think Charlie's right

03:10:33.880 though you know what is

03:10:34.560 the authenticity pushing

03:10:35.680 towards is it pushing

03:10:37.020 towards radicalism where

03:10:38.640 we want to have

03:10:39.100 government as our God or

03:10:40.940 is it pushing towards

03:10:41.740 free enterprise free

03:10:42.660 markets the things

03:10:43.500 America was founded on

03:10:44.980 but that's the that's the

03:10:46.480 thing with authenticity it

03:10:47.540 does go both ways yeah I

03:10:51.220 mean it's just it's

03:10:52.600 Nietzsche's reevaluation of

03:10:54.240 values and it's just I

03:10:56.960 Charlie is the best I love I

03:10:59.520 could listen to him every

03:11:00.760 day all day and I do

03:11:01.940 listen to him every day

03:11:02.920 all day but it's just the

03:11:04.300 whole you know that's

03:11:05.600 offensive to other

03:11:06.500 cultures you can't no he's

03:11:08.360 spot on we don't do that

03:11:10.160 here you can go back to

03:11:12.480 where you came from to go

03:11:14.120 do that but in America we

03:11:15.940 do not eat with our hands

03:11:17.120 we do not poop on the

03:11:18.360 streets like there there is

03:11:19.980 a there's a line that you

03:11:21.380 cross that we just we have

03:11:23.820 to lay the line truth is

03:11:25.340 truth and we need to have

03:11:26.920 our standards and you do

03:11:28.300 not cross those standards

03:11:29.360 and I was talking to a big

03:11:31.460 donor this last week and

03:11:33.740 he said look listen I when

03:11:36.900 I give I disagree with a

03:11:38.820 lot of the people I give

03:11:39.560 to I weren't but nobody

03:11:40.700 you're ever going to be

03:11:41.340 aligned with you're going

03:11:42.320 to agree with 100% as long

03:11:44.160 as I agree with you 60% of

03:11:45.880 the time that's great as

03:11:47.300 long as the 40% isn't make 1.00

03:11:49.380 communism great again you

03:11:51.020 can count on my support and

03:11:52.860 that's kind of the mentality

03:11:54.080 that we need let's be real

03:11:56.180 Sliwan needs to kind of 0.99

03:11:57.340 drop out of the race and

03:11:58.460 endorse Cuomo but I don't

03:12:00.100 blame him like why would

03:12:01.480 you want to drop out of

03:12:02.400 the race and endorse this

03:12:04.440 candidate that it's kind of

03:12:06.320 a joke was a joke as

03:12:08.160 governor and it's going to

03:12:09.080 be a joke as mayor and it's

03:12:10.840 it's again the Nietzsche's

03:12:12.320 reevaluation values this is

03:12:14.140 why mom Donnie is so 0.73

03:12:15.440 appealing to those people

03:12:16.940 that are saying that's

03:12:18.100 offensive to other cultures 0.89

03:12:19.420 that's racist that these are

03:12:22.300 the people that are going to

03:12:23.460 vote for mom Donnie because 1.00

03:12:24.660 he is changing the standards

03:12:26.080 in a bad way we are not

03:12:28.940 going to move forward as a

03:12:30.120 society we're going to move

03:12:31.020 back as a society as

03:12:32.140 backwards as a society

03:12:33.280 because he's changing the

03:12:35.460 norms he's changing what we

03:12:36.940 stand for in America like

03:12:39.000 eating with a fork I mean

03:12:43.400 there's so much with that it's

03:12:44.820 just demographics is destiny 1.00

03:12:46.080 right and I remember JD Vance

03:12:48.460 had this clip I don't have to

03:12:50.400 pull it up right now but he

03:12:52.380 was talking about how you

03:12:54.200 know there's so much of the

03:12:56.220 demographic that voted for

03:12:57.960 Mondani it's your it's your

03:13:01.100 like young urban creatives your

03:13:04.520 Gen Z but then also so many

03:13:06.480 recent migrants from from South

03:13:10.360 Asia and whereas like Cuomo in

03:13:13.720 the primary that they held he

03:13:15.360 got a lot of blacks he got a lot 0.98

03:13:16.820 of Hispanics and so it's sort of

03:13:19.360 like that was the actual

03:13:21.500 working class vote that went

03:13:23.420 for Cuomo and then instead it

03:13:26.740 was these you know the the artsy

03:13:29.720 urban creative types Scott

03:13:31.720 Greer has this great line he

03:13:32.680 calls them the yuckies why you

03:13:34.180 see like as opposed to the

03:13:35.300 yuppies the young urban

03:13:36.220 professionals and that the

03:13:37.760 yuppies weren't really going for

03:13:39.560 Mondani at all it's it's these

03:13:42.020 these yucky types these artists

03:13:44.880 and again just these you know

03:13:46.780 the migrants and so for some

03:13:49.120 reason after 9-11 we decided

03:13:50.940 just open up our borders and we 0.99

03:13:53.440 were going to get into a war

03:13:55.660 with the Middle East but then

03:13:56.820 also invite the Middle East to

03:13:58.380 come into our country and then 1.00

03:14:00.120 Barack Obama put that on

03:14:01.500 absolute steroids and started

03:14:03.060 just like mass importing whole

03:14:05.600 populations like the Somalians and

03:14:07.960 others directly to the Midwest

03:14:10.020 and you know now we've got like

03:14:11.880 thousands of Haitians in you know

03:14:14.880 Springfield Ohio and all the rest

03:14:16.040 of it and you look at a city like

03:14:17.620 New York how could it happen how

03:14:19.560 could it happen well there you go

03:14:21.800 and people want to take about you

03:14:24.180 know talk about you know the the

03:14:25.900 demographic replacement and it's

03:14:27.260 like it's not a theory it's just a

03:14:28.980 description of something that's

03:14:30.080 happening and we can all see it and

03:14:31.840 you know write me up again about

03:14:33.900 it write me up again it's just the

03:14:35.860 truth it reminds me of Dr. James

03:14:38.780 Orr's tweet which was such a good

03:14:40.560 tweet that when he was in town I

03:14:42.700 printed it out I was like Dr. Orr

03:14:44.540 would you please sign this for me

03:14:45.980 import the Arab world yeah of course 1.00

03:14:49.020 I could why wouldn't you look I'll

03:14:51.800 get you a copy next time I see him

03:14:53.540 Jack because I know you're secretly

03:14:54.640 jealous but import the Arab world 0.99

03:14:56.940 them like we had dinner and I didn't

03:14:58.940 realize that he was signing tweets

03:15:00.320 yeah yeah well you could have asked

03:15:01.980 you know yeah you have you should

03:15:04.380 have now now the only solution is

03:15:06.240 for you to travel to Cambridge and

03:15:07.760 get it signed but his tweet was

03:15:10.460 import the Arab world become the 1.00

03:15:12.720 Arab world and this is happening 0.64

03:15:15.420 actively in America right now

03:15:16.880 Dr. Orr the UK is probably 10 15

03:15:20.040 years ahead maybe less probably less

03:15:22.860 than we are in the trajectory that we

03:15:25.180 are headed but it's definitely

03:15:26.860 happening and when Charlie and I were

03:15:28.480 in Maine that this this couple months

03:15:30.900 ago we spent a day in Portland and we

03:15:33.480 were talking to police officers and the

03:15:35.020 police officer said there are so many

03:15:37.080 Muslims coming here and Somalians that 0.96

03:15:40.520 we will get police calls where we check

03:15:42.820 in on a house and it's a one bedroom

03:15:44.620 one bathroom house or our apartment and

03:15:47.620 when we come in there's 18 Somalians and

03:15:50.920 they're beating up one woman or or there's 0.71

03:15:54.040 trash everywhere and there's feces on the

03:15:56.280 ground this is happening right now in 0.98

03:15:59.300 America and the mayor of South Portland

03:16:01.620 at the exact same time that this was

03:16:03.800 happening the police officer said she was

03:16:06.240 a Muslim that this is happening while 0.98

03:16:09.160 you are getting elected Muslim officials

03:16:11.140 to office there are Muslims and Arabs

03:16:14.480 and the Somalians coming in and living 1.00

03:16:18.160 in 18 of them living in a one-bedroom

03:16:20.140 house beating up women they don't have 0.98

03:16:22.900 the same values that we have as

03:16:25.140 Americans and that's why Momdani is 1.00

03:16:28.000 he's kind of appealing to some of these

03:16:30.760 immigrants because they see their third

03:16:34.120 world mentality in him and they're

03:16:36.280 hoping well maybe he can make this a

03:16:38.560 little bit more like our home that we

03:16:40.360 came from and then when our home mentality

03:16:43.920 speaking of third world mentality I

03:16:46.200 wanted to play clip 336

03:16:47.420 it's genocide and I find the comments

03:16:51.760 that Hassan made on 9-11 to be

03:16:53.980 objectionable and reprehensible and I

03:16:55.880 also think that part of the reason why

03:16:57.860 Democrats are in the situation that we

03:16:59.560 are in of being a permanent minority in

03:17:01.600 this country

03:17:02.060 so that's that's Hassan Piker on his

03:17:06.880 live stream tonight watching himself

03:17:09.120 get disavowed by his his his little boy

03:17:12.520 Momdani so he's he's disavowing him on

03:17:16.140 in in the debate itself and that's that's

03:17:18.740 him watching he needs that little that

03:17:20.500 little pat on the back from that I don't

03:17:23.180 even know what his little sidekick Jack

03:17:24.960 can I like can I Hassan Jack let me ask

03:17:28.200 the question I asked earlier before the

03:17:30.260 debate but I want to ask it now to Tyler

03:17:31.760 and Mikey do we think in any world it is

03:17:35.440 a good thing for Momdani to win and you

03:17:38.380 guys know what I'm talking about to have

03:17:39.840 an actual poster child that is elected and

03:17:42.560 to see the results of socialism earlier on

03:17:45.100 the show we said no we all agreed on that but

03:17:47.540 it's an honest discussion right it's an

03:17:49.060 honest question does him winning and

03:17:51.320 creating a actual hey look this is what

03:17:54.140 socialism is is that a net negative net

03:17:57.660 benefit what do you guys think

03:17:58.980 yeah I mean it could rally the troops I

03:18:06.240 guess but I I don't know I'm really

03:18:09.740 worried about that if he wins which he

03:18:12.020 most likely will I think that Republicans

03:18:14.960 this is going to be a wake-up call for

03:18:16.360 them when they see the trajectory that

03:18:18.160 New York is headed in what actually

03:18:19.740 happens but I would like to see how much

03:18:22.240 he actually pulls through on some of his

03:18:23.900 promises do we actually think that

03:18:25.620 state-run grocery stores will happen 1.00

03:18:27.720 under Momdani or is he just saying this

03:18:29.920 to kind of get elected I I think it's a

03:18:32.280 lot of talk versus what he will actually

03:18:34.240 do but I do think that it yeah if New

03:18:38.160 York becomes the hellhole of America and 0.89

03:18:41.340 a third world pocket of our country then 0.51

03:18:44.480 yeah I definitely would be a wake-up call

03:18:46.820 to Republicans but why do we need that

03:18:49.160 why can't we just have action now why

03:18:52.180 doesn't the donor class wake up and fight

03:18:54.420 this immediately now why don't the

03:18:56.680 Republicans fight this right now instead

03:18:59.480 of waiting for this to fester into a

03:19:01.380 pocket of a third world country in our

03:19:03.940 biggest city in America to wait for

03:19:05.600 action to take place I just a little

03:19:07.540 confusing to me for well so so I do agree

03:19:09.880 with with you like obviously defeating

03:19:11.860 communism is good letting America's 0.82

03:19:14.920 greatest city fall to communism is bad

03:19:16.660 but Tyler look you've been putting

03:19:19.120 together the turning point action 26

03:19:21.120 plan midterms obviously are right

03:19:24.640 around the corner I'd be remiss if I

03:19:27.340 didn't mention Virginia and New Jersey

03:19:29.840 something about 19 days away 18 days

03:19:32.560 away huge huge elections going on

03:19:35.960 working hard in New Jersey action event

03:19:37.600 in in North Jersey this Sunday but Tyler

03:19:41.600 let's you know talking about the

03:19:43.980 midterms if I'm Donnie is the mayor do

03:19:46.780 you think that would have an effect on

03:19:49.140 the midterms and the way it plays out

03:19:50.720 yeah for sure is I mean and the probably

03:19:54.040 the best analogy is when your favorite

03:19:57.860 restaurant closes down nobody really is

03:20:01.680 really happy about that for whatever

03:20:03.400 reason there's a lot of different

03:20:04.360 reasons people close down restaurants

03:20:05.840 sometimes they just runs their core

03:20:08.420 sometimes the the people who own or

03:20:10.200 retire sometimes you know the kovat and

03:20:14.500 2020 happens in BLM it's harder

03:20:17.300 and you never go back that restaurant is

03:20:27.520 permanently damaged or closed but what

03:20:30.220 the natural the natural impact that

03:20:32.660 happens is that people go other other

03:20:35.500 places they go elsewhere they stay stand

03:20:38.640 up they eat elsewhere they open up new

03:20:40.560 restaurants and new places and that's

03:20:43.580 what we're going to see happen coming

03:20:45.320 out of New York whether we like it or

03:20:47.000 not I don't think anyone celebrates or

03:20:49.760 enjoys the fact that their favorite

03:20:50.840 restaurants now closed but they are

03:20:53.300 going to have to go other places the

03:20:56.160 question is is are Americans going to

03:20:58.060 defend those other restaurants so the

03:21:00.780 old one or the new one doesn't close

03:21:02.660 like the old one did and and that's the

03:21:05.120 real problem that we have in America

03:21:06.800 right now is that we have a lot of

03:21:08.580 people have taken themselves their

03:21:10.220 community for granted they haven't got

03:21:12.420 involved and are active enough they

03:21:14.560 haven't defended the local public policy

03:21:17.360 that has enabled cretins to come in and 0.99

03:21:22.480 really dismantle the culture of America

03:21:24.480 and and you have to keep again keep

03:21:28.220 supporting and and loving your local

03:21:32.060 legislators your local city council members

03:21:34.460 your local school board members recruiting

03:21:36.760 them running yourself for those

03:21:39.320 positions in order to protect your

03:21:40.880 community and unfortunately the story of

03:21:43.460 of New York City is that that has all

03:21:46.180 been handed away and that is why you are

03:21:48.920 where you are at in New York City now and

03:21:50.800 that also means that people are going to

03:21:52.540 go elsewhere and New Jersey and

03:21:54.760 Connecticut are going to see huge spikes

03:21:56.400 in conservatism both moderate and

03:22:00.120 conservative Democrats and conservatives

03:22:02.240 the question is again is there are the

03:22:04.320 Republicans going to take those people

03:22:06.920 in embrace them and then convert them to

03:22:10.780 be permanent members and fixtures of the

03:22:12.760 party and say no more of this we're going to

03:22:16.100 have a new community here that it protects

03:22:20.060 culture instead of allow all the again like I 0.99

03:22:24.600 said these cretins to come in and hijack your 1.00

03:22:27.980 community and that's to be seen but I think 0.98

03:22:31.400 people are going to look back at this and say

03:22:33.380 that was not a good thing that New York

03:22:36.420 has gone the direction that it's gone

03:22:38.440 whether you're you're it benefits the

03:22:40.400 Republican Party or not this is going to be

03:22:42.720 very disruptive and dismantling to our

03:22:45.240 culture it's going to create friction that's

03:22:48.180 not good and healthy for America it's going to

03:22:51.040 create more violence it's going to create

03:22:52.580 more animosity between Americans people who

03:22:56.340 think America is something different than

03:22:58.500 culturally what it what it actually is and has

03:23:01.520 been and that's a real problem for America

03:23:04.080 well and and and look it it gives for the

03:23:08.860 midterms I'll say for 26 you know as as we see

03:23:12.220 New York do this it will give people something

03:23:14.440 to push against look the very first thing that

03:23:17.200 Vandami is going to do if and when he gets

03:23:20.180 elected mayor and you know we'll see we'll see

03:23:22.440 New York may may go otherwise but I think the

03:23:26.320 very first thing he does day one is block any

03:23:30.440 cooperation with ice he will absolutely turn New

03:23:33.980 York back into the sanctuary city that it was

03:23:36.340 prior to Eric Adams where people were just

03:23:39.540 remember this they were flooding the streets

03:23:41.480 they were going through hotels they were getting

03:23:43.720 like taxpayer funded vouchers for sleeping in

03:23:47.780 hotels all over the place and you're going to see

03:23:52.220 that happen again again immediately so there's

03:23:55.240 going to be this huge and by the way that's why

03:23:56.960 they talked about we didn't mention this they

03:23:58.460 talked about Trump more than anything else during

03:24:01.460 the entire debate and why because they want they

03:24:05.040 know that that if Trump gets you know Trump still

03:24:08.500 president that they have this election they can

03:24:10.620 turn it into a referendum on Trump and then make

03:24:12.600 it be this you know thorn in the side of Donald

03:24:15.320 Trump the mayor of New York the mayor of Donald

03:24:17.480 Trump city refuses to agree with him refuses to

03:24:20.020 endorse him refuses to go along with ice etc etc you

03:24:23.100 know and they're going to deny the National Guard

03:24:25.820 they're going to have standoffs it's going to be I

03:24:28.200 could see a scenario where a Mondami you know mayoral

03:24:32.340 term mayoral tenure turns a lot of New York into the

03:24:36.260 new Portland I can really see that

03:24:37.860 it's going to be worse Jack it's going to be worse than

03:24:43.800 Portland you know why it's gonna be worse than

03:24:45.320 Portland is because you you already have massive

03:24:49.380 racial tensions and a scenario with within New York

03:24:55.220 that is far more far more of a hotbed for crime and

03:25:00.380 criminal activity you have significantly more people

03:25:05.600 obviously which always causes massive disruption

03:25:08.600 you have a historic you know New York police department

03:25:14.300 uh and fire department that has has relied on the backs

03:25:20.140 of multi-generation multi-generational talent that has

03:25:24.980 made that kept that city safe and guess what all those

03:25:28.280 people are going to probably finally make the decision to

03:25:30.760 leave and this is really again I cannot bring this back

03:25:33.860 enough is that a community is not a community built on just

03:25:38.320 ideas and looks and and and just values it's it's a culture that is sewn

03:25:46.480 together with heritage and again multiple generations of people

03:25:52.220 standing together to build something special and New York has existed and

03:25:57.600 worked for this many years because again you've had a lot of people that

03:26:01.680 have you know dedicated themselves to public service and I just don't see I I

03:26:07.520 cannot we've heard it from people I mean we've seen it from people they got an

03:26:11.460 injection of that post 9-11 9-11 caused people to turn their hearts back to the

03:26:17.740 city the difference between you know that that happening nearly 25 years ago after

03:26:25.020 next this next year and to where we are today is people's hearts are turning away

03:26:29.440 from the city you have coven where you have a candidate that's on stage who

03:26:35.140 literally killed had you know had people oversaw people dying within the city that

03:26:41.480 they were forced to die within the city because they wouldn't properly take care

03:26:46.600 of them they wouldn't institute policies that were you know both freedom loving and

03:26:52.360 then also you know using just you know cooler and letting letting cooler heads

03:26:57.180 prevail and you now have a candidate who's going to be become New York or New York City's mayor

03:27:02.520 who is going to radicalize the city in such a way that there's not going to be very many

03:27:10.380 people left that are going to keep that that culture together and so we're going to see just a

03:27:15.600 complete departure and and representation of what New York City looks like it's going to change

03:27:21.680 dramatically and drastically and there's going to be a lot of heartache and sadness uh in the in the

03:27:27.440 tri-state area for people to say well that's what New York City used to be or I remember how New York

03:27:33.120 City was and now look at it today and that's what the next 20 years is probably going to look like

03:27:38.500 uh because Momdani is just the beginning of this this is not this is not something that's going to

03:27:43.740 get corrected very quickly because the Democratic Socialists of America yeah I I back to what Cliff

03:27:50.820 said just on what what the reaction will be in in the country I feel like there should already be

03:27:57.100 a massive reaction to this because following the 2024 presidential election you would have thought

03:28:03.140 that the left would move a little less radical on their policies since the huge 80-20 issue of men

03:28:11.980 in women's bathrooms and other radical stances that they've taken lost them the presidency and the 1.00

03:28:17.480 senate etc and you would think that they would take less radical stances but they're not and you see Momdani

03:28:24.040 coming in with these crazy crazy stances but then on top of that what's really scary about this that I

03:28:31.760 think Republicans need to spend more time talking about is the fact that this is a municipal power

03:28:37.360 that he's threatening BDS against Israel and that he would arrest the leader of a foreign nation if he stepped

03:28:44.600 foot in New York City it since when is a municipal power acted in in this way and if this is the way Momdani

03:28:52.520 is going and this is the way the left is going in the Democratic Party what what is going to continue not just in

03:28:58.740 New York but across the country with with with candidates running for office across the country in their stances how are they

03:29:05.360 going to abuse their power and are they going to continue to move further and further left I just

03:29:10.640 think that not enough Republicans are really warning about the trajectory of this

03:29:16.280 Mikey let me make a plug I never get to make just real quick Jack yeah this is why local go for I want

03:29:23.340 to wrap uh I want to start rapping soon it's now this is why this goes Angelo's let me know this is why

03:29:30.060 local elections matter okay I've been trying to say this me and Tyler can debate this forever obviously

03:29:35.020 we got to do the big national races but local elections this mayoral race obviously it's not

03:29:40.780 that local it's a New York City mayor race but this is why Republicans need to adopt the strategy of the

03:29:46.760 left which is building a bench building a minor leagues and understand that we need America first

03:29:51.780 patriots across the country to run at the local level school board dog catcher I don't care what it is

03:29:58.000 county-wide especially state level but if you want to really enact change these local races are the way 0.94

03:30:04.040 to do it because it takes less money it takes less of a grassroots but you're not dealing with the big

03:30:09.700 money that you deal with when you run the federal races been dying to say this on Charlie's show for

03:30:14.760 probably two years but local races matter and I think tonight's debate shows you it has an outsized

03:30:20.360 impact and it helps you to build the bench for the future there you go Cliff where can people follow

03:30:26.960 you and get access to citizens alliance on x at Maloney we're running the PA chase again this year

03:30:34.640 and of course we've got the New Jersey chase just under three weeks left to try to elect Jack

03:30:39.640 Cittarelli want to thank turning point and all the partner groups out there that help us make it possible

03:30:44.160 amen Mikey working to follow you uh on x it's Michael underscore McCoy with two y's and then on

03:30:52.320 instagram mikey.mccoy crushing it on the gram I've been seeing that stuff insane traction there and

03:31:00.000 great content I love the um I just love all the video polls you have man it's like like endless

03:31:04.640 Charlie content and I love it it's so all the behind the scenes stuff videos that no one's ever seen

03:31:09.160 it's so cool Tyler Boyer yeah you can follow us at Tyler Boyer and then uh of course with our team

03:31:19.160 at tpaction uh it's tpaction underscore on on x but we need your help we can get involved right away

03:31:27.000 go to tpaction.com sign up become a member of our coalitions you can go to coalitions.com

03:31:33.160 where we're recruiting in every swing state we've got a lot of work to do this next year

03:31:39.480 we do but we've got a lot of work this weekend too because I don't know about you guys but I am so

03:31:43.880 excited for the no kings protest I'm gonna be out there I'm gonna be bringing my walker maybe my

03:31:51.640 wheelchair man it's gonna be it's gonna be so good I really hope by the way that'd be a good like Alex

03:31:57.880 Stein bit to just like dress up as like like remember when um uh Johnny Knoxville used to dress

03:32:03.160 in like old like dress like an old man and then like he just walked go to the no kings protest

03:32:07.880 I should uh I sent my brothers uh into doing that this weekend or something I'm gonna be there

03:32:12.840 of course I am Jack Posobiec you can follow me at Jack Posobiec and the show is Human Events Daily

03:32:17.800 we are live every day thank you so much for tuning in with us the Charlie Charlie always loved doing

03:32:23.560 these debate watches and debate recaps and so that's why we decided that uh we're gonna continue

03:32:28.840 the tradition and make sure that we do it tonight and so as always go out there and commit more thought crime

03:32:37.880 it's death

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 18, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 101 — The New York City Communist Debate？ MAGA vs. Mamdani？ Medal of Freedom Reactions

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