Jack Posobiec, Mikey McCoy, Blake Neff, and Cliff Maloney discuss the new time zone, and debate whether or not Central Time is better than Eastern Standard Time. Plus, a debate about gay marriage.
00:06:05.040Because that's where, you know, most things are going on.
00:06:07.120That's where the show time is always on.
00:06:08.680I do like things generally happening earlier in Arizona.
00:06:14.860I do think there's this, like, psychotic need to keep everything very late at night out East.
00:06:20.260So I kind of like that the Super Bowl begins as an afternoon event.
00:06:25.300I like that the NFL basically is rolling as soon as, like, church is over, even if I go early in the morning.
00:06:33.140Yeah, I'm just kind of becoming a sucker for all these things that happen early in the day, which is accentuated by the fact that it's accentuated by the fact that we don't have devilish daylight savings time in Arizona.
00:06:52.980So the sun is rising in the morning, as it should, and then it is setting in the evening when we should be preparing to sleep.
00:07:02.900And so all things are in alignment under Arizona time.
00:07:06.620So as the East Coast goes and they rebel against God because they hate God on the East Coast, and so they keep the sun up later in the day.
00:07:15.320But that's the East Coast and the West Coast.
00:07:26.000They want to stay up late on the East Coast because they want to watch late night television shows like Jimmy Kimmel that are on very late at night.
00:07:36.200And this is just part of their general evil dynamic on the East Coast.
00:07:40.660And yet Jimmy Kimmel is broadcast from the West Coast, Blake.
00:07:44.880That's a little flying appointment, isn't it?
00:07:47.100They air late at night for their East Coast audience.
00:20:07.040Some MAGA supporters are in uproar over Trump's H-1B visa comments.
00:20:12.460So this is, I would say I got some of that feedback.
00:20:16.300When we did the show the next day, it was like absolutely an uproar.
00:20:22.260The emails were ugly for the Trump administration.
00:20:25.320And I think, like, listen, if there's an opportunity where we could get rid of H-1B altogether and maybe expand the genius visa, but actually ensure that they're geniuses, I'd be more open-minded to that conversation.
00:20:39.120But the way that the communication came off, it was kind of rough.
00:21:50.860Because you can come to the U.S., study to get a Ph.D., and in addition to whatever money you're getting, you can get a visa to live and work in America at the end of it.
00:22:00.160And so, effectively, they get paid way more while they're studying because they're getting something hugely valuable, which is U.S. citizenship or a path to citizenship as a side effect of it.
00:22:11.240So, basically, you've made it so you're getting paid way less if you're an American getting a Ph.D. at a school in America.
00:22:21.460And on top of that, you know, we make it lower status because we've kind of signaled, oh, like, certain fields are things tons of immigrants do.
00:22:29.580And, you know, being a fresh-off-the-boat immigrant worker is not as high status as, you know, working in various other high-powered fields.
00:22:37.100So, unsurprisingly, Americans have gone into jobs like finance, like law, like consulting that have fewer immigrants in them.
00:22:45.180A lot of those jobs, you need to know English a lot more fluently than you do in hard STEM fields.
00:22:49.880So, we basically just massively borked our own skill pipeline.
00:22:54.320And then they turn around and they're like, oh, Americans just don't want to do these jobs or Americans are too dumb to do these jobs.
00:22:59.920And it's like, no, we just actively screwed them up.
00:23:03.580And if you look at the America that landed a man on the moon, yeah, there were some immigrants who worked at NASA.
00:23:08.520There were some immigrants who worked on the Manhattan Project.
00:23:10.560But 95-plus percent of that workforce was grown in America.
00:23:15.940And we have a perfectly smart population to continue doing that.
00:23:33.260But what's probably what I've seen, and I've talked to, one of the things I would do when we'd go on these campus tours, I'd talk to people like, hey, why don't you pursue that?
00:23:42.540And some of the more honest kids would just be like, well, listen, like, it's all like Indians and Chinese kids that are in those classes.
00:23:48.720There's something about wanting to be around people that you recognize and that you relate to.
00:23:54.320And when you want, as you're an American kid now and you want to go be an engineer, you want to be a, you know, go into these STEM fields.
00:24:02.140And you look around, you're like, none of them are like me.
00:26:30.820We let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.
00:26:35.420And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers.
00:26:40.500It's one of the reasons why the President of the United States, it's one of the reasons why the President of the United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H-1B reform.
00:26:49.600Because if you look at the H-1B visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company.
00:27:01.100You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else.
00:27:05.700What it's actually used to do is hire an accountant at a 50% discount to an American citizen.
00:27:12.140Because I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United States that would love to work for a good wage.
00:27:28.140I think that's where we all kind of come on this issue because you had Trump kind of sounding a different tone.
00:27:33.080But that was connected to this 600,000 Chinese student visa holders also.
00:27:39.720And I have to read into this a little bit.
00:27:42.520So the timing of this interview, and then you have this press conference with Kash Patel, basically was it the next day or two days after, saying that China has agreed to cut off all these precursors to fentanyl.
00:27:54.860So the sympathetic reading here is that Trump was trying not to scuttle a deal that was in the process of happening and wanted to send friendly vibes to President Xi.
00:28:05.500Yeah, but I think you've got two different problems here, and that is the argument about, hey, do we want to have immigration for manual labor jobs, the jobs that actual Americans likely do not want to do, right?
00:28:18.880Now, will they adjust if they have to?
00:28:21.400But I think J.D.'s point, like, if we're talking about accountants, like, that's a good-paying job that Americans would be very happy to have.
00:28:30.640I just think they're two very different conversations, and I think J.D. understands how to package that in a way.
00:28:36.000Because when people hear that, it's not, oh, hotel workers.
00:33:03.760And we would instantly reverse course.
00:33:06.020And then weak Republicans in the House and, you know, Rand Paul would start saying we need to pass a law to make it so that, you know, people can't do X, Y, Z.
00:33:26.240It took a decade of us having one of the most dramatic political fights of Trump's 1.0, his exile, and Trump 2.0 for us to finally, as a country, go,
00:33:54.460Well, and this debate reminds me of the big Trump moment at the first debate against Hillary, or one of them, in 2016, where he says, you know, the famous line,
00:34:05.660well, you've been in office for 40 years, and you know how I know you're not going to change the tax code?
00:34:27.060That's the battle right now, which is you're going to have tons of CEOs, business owners, different people that are going to be pushing the president and the administration to actually come out and say, listen, we need workers at our hotels.
00:34:57.700It's easy to blame the corporations, but, you know, kind of an interesting thing I was reading just a few days ago that got pointed out.
00:35:04.460It's another way that H-1B stuff actually has screwed everything up.
00:35:07.920And it's if you look at, it actually squares with some of the economic turbulence people have talked about lately, where if you look at the economic data, things are still pretty good if you're an older worker, like an established professional.
00:35:22.360The economy is kind of humming along fine.
00:35:24.120There's actually a good number of job openings.
00:35:25.760Where it's really bad is entry-level workers, the workers just out of college.
00:35:31.040And yet they're still saying we need to bring in a bunch of foreign workers because they can't fill jobs.
00:35:34.680And it's kind of true because where we have a bottleneck is specifically entry-level jobs.
00:35:40.580And this is partly a product of what Charlie would love to talk about, which is college being a scam.
00:35:44.740You don't learn useful things in college.
00:35:48.600Even if you're studying a technical field, you don't really learn how to do the jobs in that field getting that degree.
00:35:54.880You learn those by getting entry-level jobs in that field.
00:35:57.980You learn to be a programmer by being a programmer.
00:36:01.020You learn to be an engineer by being an engineer.
00:36:02.780You learn to work in media by working in media.
00:37:58.300But I bet you don't need to have one to work on the nuclear submarine, including in the nuclear stuff.
00:38:04.920Military trains people do complex stuff all the time.
00:38:07.460The point that I'm making is that actually there is a sorting process when you join the military so that they test people's intelligence, which is kind of like illegal in like every other field.
00:38:18.520I know we've talked about this before, where they actually can, you know, they do sort people by intelligence.
00:38:24.300And they say, OK, you know, you're this type of age range called the ASVAP on the enlisted side.
00:38:29.500So you're you're in this age range, IQ range.
00:38:37.240And it's something that actually works.
00:38:38.920You know, when it's done with the right, you know, when you take like the DEI quotients and all that randomness out of it, it actually can be used really, really well because you can find like certain people just don't have what it takes to be a nuclear engineer.
00:38:52.040And in fact, you can test that while while testing someone's intelligence, you don't have to just like put them through the pipeline and see what happens.
00:38:59.540And so I think it's actually something that we should look to as, you know, probably a pretty good model for, you know, just the rest of these things that we're talking about.
00:39:08.240Like, for example, I don't know the workforce.
00:39:10.420You know, what's interesting as well is that this is brought up brought back up Vivek Ramaswamy's Christmas Saved by the Bell infamous tweet.
00:39:24.880And you know what I didn't realize is that that tweet, that original one that caused all that kerfuffle in December, has 125 million engagements.
00:39:48.400And this is a, this was a snippet of it.
00:39:53.260He says, the reason top tech companies often hire foreign born and first generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation.
00:40:03.580I don't know who was suggesting that it was an IQ deficit.
00:40:13.180And if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth, all caps.
00:40:18.460I mean, do we think that the American culture, Blake, you're saying that the H-1B problem is self-perpetuating, that it creates its own problem.
00:40:29.020When we, when we drown out certain industries with foreign born workers, American workers either get priced out or they no longer go into those fields because they're looked at as foreign based fields.
00:40:40.120Is there an innate culture problem that we have?
00:40:46.720I think like culture to some extent is created by, it's almost an unintended side effect of a bunch of choices we make.
00:40:55.560And, you know, it's often commented, one of the issues, one of the things people complain about with H-1Bs is they will say, like, a company will let in a few H-1Bs, maybe a lot of them are from specifically India, and then over time, it just gets more and more foreign, and eventually it's like a foreign shop.
00:41:12.400Well, that's a real cultural issue, because, you know, you probably reach a tipping point there, where if it's 75% people of foreign origin, now it's like, why would I want to go work there, where a lot of the guys, maybe they don't even talk in English when they're in the office, they prefer to speak a different language.
00:41:29.400It's just very alienating. They may sort of see you in a hostile way. There's all of these dynamics that go on, and then when that happens at a society-wide level, you eventually have a different country, and when you're doing this to important skilled fields, which a lot of the stuff that we do with H-1Bs is important stuff that's important for our most, like, sophisticated and advanced and technical companies, you're messing up the whole country.
00:41:56.580And we have, because we've made it so easy to bring in foreigners for those highly technical fields, we've basically de-skilled the American population in a way that's really damaging.
00:42:09.840And I think, you know, we're focusing on the H-1Bs a lot, because that's been the meme, that's what people talk about, but I think, you know, we also have that other Trump clip with the 600,000 Chinese students.
00:42:20.180I think it's as bad there. The fact that we've made it so easy for colleges to bring in more foreigners to fill their PhD programs, I think is a huge issue.
00:42:30.380And a big reason the colleges do it is just so they can pay PhDs less to be adjunct professors.
00:42:37.440It's absolutely insane to me that we would devalue PhDs for Americans, like, super highly skilled work, just so that, you know, freaking Tufts University can pay an adjunct professor $40,000 a year instead of $55,000 a year, or whatever amount it is.
00:42:55.860I think you just hit on something that's actually, it's the college scam that's behind a lot of this, because the universities can't pay full, native-born students don't pay full freight.
00:43:05.480Like, guess who does? The Chinese students. And they'll pay full freight, not at the top universities, they'll pay it at the B and the C list universities.
00:43:12.940So that's happening a lot. A lot of these student visa problems, when you talk about this clip, 600,000 Chinese students, they're coming over and they're basically keeping the lights on at a lot of these universities.
00:43:24.600Yeah, yeah, excellent take. And then on top of that, just to defend Trump a little bit, the president, our universities are failing our students here in America.
00:43:33.040Like, we're just not producing the type of students that can qualify for jobs like this.
00:43:38.940And instead of it actually being like an in-depth PhD or degree, it would be, you know, the sociology and understanding of accounting for lesbians.
00:43:50.000And these are like the degrees that you're getting instead of actually like producing good students or trade schools, which is what Charlie used to advocate for.
00:43:58.240Let me make, I don't think I've ever talked about this. Before I got in politics, I was a math teacher. Do you guys know that?
00:44:04.220I don't know if I've said that on the air.
00:44:37.420And I went there one time for dinner after school, a couple buddies of mine from college, and I walk in, and he's literally in my fifth grade class, and, you know, he comes running up, says, hello, hey, Mr. Maloney, and his parents were very happy to see me,
00:44:56.520but they made it very clear that he was not to be interrupted until his homework was done, and he had to finish the homework before he could eat, and I just, that was such a cultural moment for me.
00:45:05.900I know it's like very much like the stereotype moment, but you think that's happening with any type of American-born student.
00:45:13.200I mean, yeah, there are some great parents out there doing good things, but the cultural difference is just, you can see it, and I think the discipline that a lot of these cultures have, we just, we don't have it as a whole.
00:45:24.680We really don't, and by the way, they're poor of the poor.
00:45:28.180They're not like, you know, people that are very well-to-do sending their kids to some great school.
00:45:32.180So I don't look at it like that, because if you look at it like that with, you know, let's say white Americans, or, you know, your everyday blue-collar American,
00:45:40.380I think it's even worse the lower you go in the socioeconomic statuses, because there's just no, it's such a lack of discipline that the other cultures have.
00:45:49.420Well, to your point, it's kind of depressing.
00:45:51.800If you throw up image 239, this is UCSD's Math 2 course teaches grade school math, that's grades 1 through 8, to freshmen.
00:46:00.660So UCSD, UCSD is ranked as the nation's fifth best public university.
00:46:09.020And so 25 per student's got this problem wrong.
00:47:21.400And listen, math is going to be our biggest problem because if you miss a couple history lessons, but you, you know, get engaged later in life.
00:47:27.720This suggests that the problem is arising in high school, in middle school, in elementary school.
00:47:33.120Well, the problem, I mean, the problem is it's so many levels and especially with the UC schools.
00:47:38.820What's not kind of being talked about with this going viral, but we 100% know it happened.
00:47:43.260So California bans race-based affirmative action officially under their law due to that thing in the 90s.
00:47:51.120They tried to get rid of it in 2020 and in the same election where, you know, they went for Joe Biden by 30 points or whatever, they failed.
00:47:59.820They tried, they tried to ram it through and everyone was like, no, I don't like racial discrimination.
00:48:04.480So the UC system, what they do is they just try to scam this system because what they do is they have the data for who goes to different high schools and they just start letting people in who are totally not qualified for certain schools if they go to the right high schools.
00:48:21.120And a big reason they do this is they, I'll just say it.
00:48:24.020They want to increase the Hispanic percentage at a lot of the UC schools.
00:48:27.680So UC San Diego has just been caught where they're freezing out.
01:08:08.320However, I also took Blake to a bar, and we met that nice Mexican cop, and he was telling Blake that he should go to Tijuana to get a hair transplant.
01:08:41.540He took his hat off, and he showed his giant full head of hair, and he's like, yeah, I used to look like you until I went down to Tijuana, and there, now I look like this.
01:08:57.440And oddly enough, he looked exactly like Andrew.
01:09:00.700Everyone's trying to rag on me for various things that I'll eat anything, and I don't do all their health woo-woo, and I just feel like I'm really healthy, and I don't have all these weird other problems that people complain about.
01:09:14.120My main problem is I somehow got tennis elbow while I was in South Korea, and I don't know how that one happened.
01:09:57.960Charlie – I always used to tell people that Charlie would actually be one of the – I think I said this on ThoughtCrime a couple weeks ago.
01:10:04.560But Charlie, when you would go on, he actually would be tough at interviews, especially when I'd do his show when it was one-on-one, you know, where he'd just be like, what's going on in PA?
01:10:15.800I mean, we were on for, what, eight hours.
01:10:18.380But he asked me at one point, he said, you know, how does a Ron Paul Libertarian go from that to running a ballot chase effort for Donald Trump?
01:10:28.920And he got mad at my answer, so maybe I shouldn't say it in terms of he thought maybe we'd get demonetized or delisted, whatever it is.
01:10:35.060But I said, yeah, I'm still a hardcore libertarian.
01:10:39.760I have my own definition of what that is, small l.
01:10:42.780But things change when they start to chop the private parts off of our 12-year-old boys and girls and consider it normal.
01:10:53.060There became a breaking point where, like, the things that – do I believe in free markets?
01:11:18.560They want to say, hey, you know, that doesn't pass our purity test.
01:11:23.660Do you want to save the country or not?
01:11:25.060And so, yeah, I have a lot of beliefs that, you know, a lot of Republicans in Congress, you know, a lot of this spending stuff, I got a lot of problems with it.
01:11:35.400But I think 2024 was like the country was on the brink.
01:13:30.560He's talking, when he says gender delusions, he's talking about transgenderism.
01:13:35.300He's not talking about getting rid of women.
01:13:37.720Just, and that's just, that's just accurate, right?
01:13:40.400That's just accurate to what he's saying.
01:13:42.000That, so, you know, you have to, you have to set the frame here.
01:13:45.160And the frame is that they're just lying about what Secretary Hegseth said.
01:13:49.340He's talking about getting rid of the political nonsense in the military, pitting genders against each other, gender quotas, just, just all of this nonsense.
01:14:30.320If you are going to be in a, you know, in the infantry, if you're going to be in special forces, if you're going to be in EOD, any of these capacities, right, any of these serious combat capacities, combat units, you've got to have the same standards.
01:14:48.200If you've got to pull your buddy out from under fire and you can't lift a 200-pound male with, you know, who's loaded with another 100 pounds of gear, then guess what?
01:15:10.760And that's something that, by the way, doesn't just cover gender.
01:15:14.420That's something that would cover people with various health conditions, people – but all sorts of – there's all sorts of reasons that people are denied for certain jobs and certain positions or even entry into the United States military.
01:15:29.920You know, a lot of people know, I think, if you had, like, childhood asthma and you tell the recruiters that, you pretty much can't get into the military.
01:15:36.000So, I mean, there's lots of reasons that we preclude people from the military or certain positions within the military.
01:15:42.040And I think, at the end of the day, what it comes down to is we need to make this – we just need to go back to what is the most important point of the military?
01:15:50.480Is it getting the mission done or is it social engineering?
01:16:07.000And I'm going to use that to go from there.
01:16:08.560I like – in general, Jack, I would agree it would be an improvement to just say you need to hit a certain minimum standard, whether you are male or female, even if that means it's going to be 95% men, 99% men, 100% men.
01:16:23.340But I might go further and I might say I do think there's actually probably something wrong with having women in the military generally outside of, like, truly auxiliary roles, kind of like how we did it in World War II.
01:16:39.400You had certain sort of supplementary roles that you just had lots of women work in.
01:16:43.840But I do think there's actually something – I think you do lose something once you have women in the infantry, women in the armor, women in, like, direct, immediate combat situations, even if they can pass a certain physical qualification.
01:17:00.760I just think there's actually a historical reason these roles in every, you know, advanced society, every advanced civilization were basically, for all intents and purposes, 100% male.
01:17:12.880And I think 100% male institutions and, like, groups have – like, they have certain – they have a certain dynamic to them that you lose once you're introducing women to them.
01:17:25.360And I think we've seen the side effects of that in our own military.
01:17:28.860Once you add women into a group, like, you're introducing a certain competitiveness element for the men that's not there otherwise, you're just changing what kind of –
01:17:40.880you're changing what the team is doing, what – the way the team works.
01:17:44.200And I kind of think it's impossible for us to divorce the way the U.S. military has clearly become less effective as a war-winning organization from the fact that we treat it as, like, a egalitarian gender organization, even if we set the same standards for the sexes.
01:18:02.780But I also have never been in the military, so I'm probably over my skis a bit.
01:18:07.500But I know – who is that Virginia senator, the Democrat – is it Jim Webb?
01:18:12.960I think Jim Webb has actually commented on that.
01:18:15.160He also said he supported hazing in the military for that reason.
01:18:18.000He said once he got rid of hazing, it actually made the military worse.
01:18:19.780Yeah, Jim Webb has said a lot of big stuff about the military.
01:19:36.960But also, I had an opportunity to talk with him at the White House a couple weeks ago.
01:19:40.220And I just told him, I was like, it's a top-down thing.
01:19:43.700When there's a man in a position like that, that's talking like that, it inspires all of the under, you know, like my brothers in the military.
01:19:53.400He had to see under the Biden administration, there was a gay pride flag on the ship that he was on.
01:19:59.420And then on top of that, there was a transvestite that was on his ship with him.
01:20:07.620And he was like, look, when I came in, I saw that they were spending hundreds of millions of dollars on recruiting for the military.
01:20:14.600And when I saw where they were spending this money, they were spending it on The View and these crazy, crazy leftist television shows and programs.
01:20:25.900It's like, what do you think that produces?
01:40:13.480Mikey, I think what Mikey is saying is that you can still celebrate Thanksgiving while you're setting up, while you're celebrating Christmas.
01:40:20.180And Jack, you're saying that no, if you start setting up for Christmas, you're pretty much blunting out Thanksgiving and not giving it its full value.
01:43:00.220You're handcuffed together through all the holidays during this time.
01:43:04.800And then, the guys who don't know that they were just being cuffed, they realize that after Valentine's Day, they get cut loose and they have no idea.
01:43:14.360This reminds me of Baby, It's Cold Outside, the Christmas song.