Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 107

00:00:00.480 From the age of Big Brother.

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00:00:20.880 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a special Thanksgiving Tuesday edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:26.640 We decided we'd go live today because, for one, we're actually all in studio, which is cool.

00:00:34.980 We're all here.

00:00:36.840 And, of course, Thanksgiving itself is a day we're definitely not going to be working.

00:00:41.600 So I think we've got – we're doing pre-tapes.

00:00:43.880 Are you guys going live?

00:00:45.240 We've got –

00:00:46.260 We have a Charlie episode.

00:00:47.520 You're doing a Charlie episode?

00:00:48.180 We have a Charlie episode.

00:00:49.040 We also have some – we have an interview with Kelly Shackelford,

00:00:53.560 and then we have an interesting autism conversation.

00:00:55.800 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:56.740 So we've got two sort of –

00:00:58.740 No, not Leela.

00:00:59.080 In the can.

00:00:59.780 It's an actual doc here.

00:01:01.500 Yeah, a doctor here that's described some different treatments and drugs that have been approved recently.

00:01:07.340 It kind of builds off –

00:01:07.920 Some Maha.

00:01:08.660 Some Maha energy.

00:01:09.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:10.120 That's a Maha energy.

00:01:11.140 That's great.

00:01:11.540 So, yeah, it's going to be good.

00:01:12.460 We've got some content in the can, and then we'll be playing some Charlie.

00:01:15.400 We're actually going to be doing – I've got in the can two episodes about Tyler Robinson

00:01:23.660 and the turkey tom, like the leaks, and some of these messages that came out.

00:01:30.520 One, it's me and Liz Wheeler.

00:01:32.520 We just kind of go through all of it.

00:01:33.980 So for people who hadn't seen this, this is one of the former roommates of Tyler Robinson

00:01:39.120 comes forward to this YouTuber that I guess he followed and talks about their friendship

00:01:45.240 and how it became toxic and just –

00:01:47.980 It's so crazy.

00:01:49.000 It's really crazy.

00:01:50.140 That guy is who you get now because people who have interesting stories, interesting evidence,

00:01:56.640 they're like, who could I take this to?

00:01:58.080 And they're not reading the Wall Street Journal.

00:02:00.540 They're thinking, I'm going to go to this YouTuber who doesn't really detail basically documentaries.

00:02:05.540 He did a great job.

00:02:06.280 Yeah, and he does.

00:02:07.220 If you see his stuff, he makes these two-hour documentaries on internet drama.

00:02:12.560 Sounds like he's great for this sort of thing.

00:02:14.700 I know.

00:02:14.960 He did a great job.

00:02:15.800 And so we go through it in the first episode, and in the second episode, I've got Dr. Chloe Carmichael,

00:02:21.740 and we do like a psychoanalysis kind of the situation.

00:02:26.040 So it's like, hey, if these guys came to you for relationship therapy, what would you do?

00:02:32.020 So I would say we'll get out of the relationship.

00:02:33.700 Some of the details that are exposed in the Turkey Tom coverage was – it was really revealing.

00:02:40.180 I mean, as far as there was LSD, the kid was like this – the Lance Twiggs guy, right?

00:02:45.520 It was – he's vaping THC constantly.

00:02:49.300 He's drunk a lot.

00:02:51.560 He had these nesting fits where he would just basically –

00:02:54.380 Nesting phases.

00:02:55.380 Yeah, where he would just basically go down into the – it sounds like the downstairs,

00:03:00.020 pile a bunch of blankets, pillows, and then just garbage, junk food, drinks, and just –

00:03:07.340 almost like a little bit hoarder-esque, I would say.

00:03:10.440 And he would just not leave.

00:03:12.300 Well, and what's interesting, though, is – and Turkey Tom mentions this in his video –

00:03:16.760 Theo Vaughn said the exact same thing about when he was using cocaine that he used a phrase of,

00:03:23.220 I was like an owl building a nest.

00:03:25.060 And he says this on Joe Rogan, and he said something similar when he had Trump on.

00:03:29.580 And it's like – I don't know that he was on coke specifically, this guy,

00:03:34.060 but it's just – it's interesting that they use kind of the same phraseology.

00:03:37.920 Yeah, well, it must be something that happens when you're exposed to a massive amount of drugs

00:03:44.320 and stimulants or uppers or downers.

00:03:47.860 Tyler, you're familiar.

00:03:48.880 Yeah, totally.

00:03:49.800 Tyler, resident expert of nesting.

00:03:53.020 Tyler doesn't leave the house for months on end.

00:03:55.980 Yeah, never touched a drug.

00:03:58.060 So I have no idea.

00:03:59.020 Not even once?

00:03:59.860 Not once.

00:04:00.400 Caffeine.

00:04:00.800 Caffeine.

00:04:01.400 But I don't think – I don't think Utah is the place you should be experimenting with drugs, so.

00:04:06.640 There's a black market HRT.

00:04:08.960 Jack, explain what that is.

00:04:10.700 Yeah, right.

00:04:12.400 Well, what's interesting is that – so you've got to put it together because in the first video,

00:04:17.280 he was talking about how his mom was using Venmo to pay for his transition therapy and his prescriptions.

00:04:29.060 But then I get – I don't know if his mom cut him off.

00:04:32.660 This is Twigs, by the way.

00:04:34.040 I don't know if his mom cut him off or whatever happens.

00:04:37.120 But then by the time of the second video, they're talking about how he's using black market HRT.

00:04:42.620 And I scratched the surface of this a little bit, but apparently this is actually really well-known

00:04:47.700 that there's like Chinese stuff that you can order from these like fake pharmacies.

00:04:54.100 You don't need a prescription or anything.

00:04:55.800 And they just mail it to you and it'll be like some pharmacy that's like headquartered in Vanuatu or something like that.

00:05:03.500 And, you know, obviously it's an internet-based business.

00:05:05.360 They just need an address somewhere to set up the website and you just get this like really random like Chinese medication.

00:05:12.160 And then you start taking it because, you know, either you can't get an actual doctor to prescribe you.

00:05:17.440 And this is hormone replacement therapy.

00:05:19.260 So this is – if you are transing, this is what you would take.

00:05:24.660 So China is transing our kids?

00:05:27.340 I think it would be safer to say just China is doing black market pharmacy work.

00:05:31.440 Yeah, more like – I mean, it's anything, right?

00:05:34.180 Because China, it just – you know, what do they call them, the amoral neutral in terms of this?

00:05:38.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:38.960 They will sell you anything and they don't care.

00:05:41.400 They don't care.

00:05:41.900 It reminds me – there used to be this cool idea I read once.

00:05:44.460 Like what if there was one store in every state or one store in America where it was just the zero liability store

00:05:52.640 and you could buy things that were otherwise illegal like drugs or substances and such.

00:05:57.120 You mean Silk Road, fireworks.

00:05:58.640 But categorically illegal to ever sue or have any liability for stuff you bought there.

00:06:04.800 So not like Silk Road.

00:06:06.300 Yeah.

00:06:08.380 Like it could be – so it could be like, for example, a pharmacy where you can buy anything, no questions asked,

00:06:13.380 but it's only in that place.

00:06:15.260 You have to physically travel there to get it.

00:06:16.780 You can't order it off the internet.

00:06:18.720 So like a Buc-ee's but for illegal.

00:06:20.740 This is – sorry, Ross Ulbricht, right?

00:06:24.960 Well, that was the whole point of Silk Road, though.

00:06:26.820 Silk Road was like eBay for stuff that you can't put on eBay.

00:06:31.540 And then, of course, obviously there were legal ramifications to this.

00:06:36.020 Oh, man.

00:06:36.400 We have someone who says – Dylan Ivey in the chat says he's enjoying the totalitarian novels course.

00:06:41.400 Oh, there you go.

00:06:42.420 Hillsdale.

00:06:43.140 History.

00:06:44.140 Dylan Ivey.

00:06:45.040 What is it?

00:06:45.240 The Great Works of Literature.

00:06:46.580 Yeah.

00:06:47.180 History, The Great Works of Literature.

00:06:48.540 Did you study these things in school?

00:06:49.640 Did you study these things in school?

00:06:50.740 Well, no.

00:06:51.180 So now he's reading.

00:06:51.860 Probably not.

00:06:52.500 But even if you did.

00:06:53.100 That hideous strength.

00:06:54.060 Even if you did, it's probably time for an enjoyable refresher.

00:06:56.760 Let the good folks at Hillsdale.

00:06:57.800 Exactly.

00:06:57.960 I know it by heart.

00:06:59.080 That's a great stuff.

00:06:59.560 The book –

00:07:00.400 All of you, by the way, even if you're – now taking it, you can look up the books that are on that.

00:07:04.620 You can read one of those every day over this weekend.

00:07:07.820 By the way, shout out to Hillsdale.

00:07:10.120 People don't understand what a transformational moment that was when Charlie started taking the Hillsdale online courses.

00:07:16.100 It's like, yeah, they're –

00:07:17.260 You mean because he wouldn't shut up about them?

00:07:18.680 The sponsor – they sponsor the show, but it's really more than that.

00:07:22.240 Like, Charlie –

00:07:23.280 He really liked it.

00:07:23.900 It's funny because I've had two interviews with people asking me about Charlie's transformation over the years, and I'm like, literally, it was Hillsdale.

00:07:29.720 Different kind of transformation, folks.

00:07:31.060 It's very different.

00:07:32.020 Not the –

00:07:34.060 We might need a black market.

00:07:36.620 Maybe the Chinese one day.

00:07:37.600 Ruben Gallego.

00:07:38.480 Ruben Gallego was talking about those in some text messages, wasn't he, Tyler?

00:07:42.160 Yeah.

00:07:42.520 About transformation.

00:07:43.700 I'm sure in an alternate universe, China as amoral neutral could be supplying us with, like, black market books.

00:07:49.920 Black market books in the universe where Kamala Harris becomes president.

00:07:54.000 Get Camp of the Saints from your Chinese publisher.

00:07:55.660 Exactly.

00:07:56.220 So Darkness at Noon, actually, Charlie was really, really into that novel, and he – I remember he got, like – as Charlie typically would, he got, like, super into it, and he was like, Jack, you need to read this article.

00:08:09.740 You're the book.

00:08:10.500 You need to read this book.

00:08:11.280 Read the book.

00:08:11.720 We're going to do a podcast about it.

00:08:12.640 We're going to break down everything.

00:08:13.620 Just – I need you to read the book right now.

00:08:14.800 Just read the entire book.

00:08:15.720 And I literally did that.

00:08:16.720 So I just spent this whole weekend reading – it was a great novel, by the way.

00:08:20.780 And a lot of, like, the communist novels do have, like, a kind of similar, you know, setup.

00:08:25.320 But this one was actually interesting.

00:08:26.320 What if the guys who said that they were good were actually bad?

00:08:28.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:29.200 But this one was actually interesting because it had an interesting dynamic where you see in communism where, like, the old revolutionaries are being purged by the new revolutionaries, which you kind of see actually happening in the Democrat Party right now.

00:08:41.160 I got to meet Nandami the other day, for example.

00:08:43.520 Hey.

00:08:43.880 Hey.

00:08:45.400 What up, Zoran?

00:08:47.160 And we had a lot of fun.

00:08:49.400 We had a lot of fun.

00:08:50.740 And Charlie and I were – he had always said that we were going to do a podcast on it, and that we never did.

00:08:57.200 So I actually have potentially a plan in works to actually cut a podcast on that because we just never did it.

00:09:06.800 Yeah, no, that would be great.

00:09:08.300 I mean, I should just – I haven't read it yet.

00:09:09.740 I should go read it.

00:09:10.300 All right, just go read it.

00:09:10.840 It's not that long.

00:09:11.660 It's, like, 150 pages.

00:09:12.280 No, no, it's not long ago.

00:09:13.340 None of these are long.

00:09:13.880 It's, like, they're, like –

00:09:14.680 That hideous strength is kind of long.

00:09:16.340 And it's the third book in a series, so.

00:09:20.380 I'm thankful for Hillsdale.

00:09:22.640 Oh, yeah.

00:09:23.240 Are we doing –

00:09:23.520 That's part of the gimmick here.

00:09:24.640 That's part of the gimmick.

00:09:25.400 It is Thanksgiving.

00:09:26.340 And especially – we talked about this earlier today.

00:09:29.400 Especially because this has been a tough year, a tough fall for us.

00:09:33.480 We have to be thankful to God, because pilgrims did that.

00:09:37.060 They held their Thanksgiving through a period of immense trial.

00:09:40.860 And suffering.

00:09:41.500 Immense suffering.

00:09:42.240 Many of them did not live another year or two after the first Thanksgiving.

00:09:46.040 And we must be the same way.

00:09:51.220 I was going to say, I'm really thankful for – while we're talking on the topic of gratitude, I'm really thankful for everybody here, especially Andrew, for holding down the fort with the show and keeping everything going.

00:10:05.280 And I know everybody in this building here is incredibly grateful for the work that he's put in and picking up his life and moving it here.

00:10:13.000 It's a big deal.

00:10:13.980 It's hard.

00:10:14.580 And couldn't do it without Blake.

00:10:16.260 He's our not-so-secret weapon.

00:10:18.000 You have to come up with something else to call me.

00:10:19.860 It works, but we say it every day.

00:10:22.520 Blackpill Blake.

00:10:23.440 That works.

00:10:24.280 Contrarian Blake.

00:10:24.860 We could go with that.

00:10:25.900 Blackpill Blake.

00:10:26.700 The Blake should be.

00:10:27.860 The surprisingly not gay Blake.

00:10:29.140 Wait a minute.

00:10:30.100 Hold on.

00:10:31.100 Hold on.

00:10:31.480 I'm super thankful that you're not.

00:10:32.560 You are wearing a turtleneck.

00:10:33.760 Yeah.

00:10:33.960 Okay, first of all, this is because I have entirely ceded all control over my sartorial choices to someone else, which is certainly a man thing to do.

00:10:42.200 A straight man thing.

00:10:42.880 Well, the glow up is helping.

00:10:45.560 The glow up is helping.

00:10:46.460 It does actually look nice.

00:10:47.700 Blake, actually, I'm going to say this because I saw you for the first time.

00:10:51.980 We went to church the other day.

00:10:54.600 And I turned to Tanya and I was like, Blake's looking kind of good.

00:11:00.100 You know what it is?

00:11:00.540 No homo, but like –

00:11:02.000 So hold on.

00:11:02.460 And I'm the one getting called out here.

00:11:05.080 Surprisingly not gay, Blake.

00:11:06.080 I'm secure in my sexuality enough to say that, Blake, you look like you lost some weight.

00:11:10.640 You're looking trim.

00:11:11.820 You're looking good, man.

00:11:12.880 To quote one of my favorite Charlie-isms, as someone with an unblemished record of heterosexuality, I can say that – well, you know what's funny?

00:11:20.940 I saw Blake – we played a clip, remember, just recently, and you had a completely shaved head, and you had a completely shaved beard, and I basically didn't recognize you.

00:11:30.140 I was like, whoa.

00:11:30.980 I forgot Blake.

00:11:31.520 He looked like a newborn baby.

00:11:33.480 Yeah.

00:11:34.600 Something like that.

00:11:35.060 Like a baby that had been left at the hospital on purpose.

00:11:37.680 I am thankful – in this fall, I am thankful for my bald head because it preserves me from vanity.

00:11:43.200 It's also a little chilly.

00:11:44.460 That sounds like Cope.

00:11:45.400 Yeah, I mean, it kind of is.

00:11:46.640 There's a great – speaking of Hillsdale, this is a true Hillsdale Collision article from about a decade ago.

00:11:52.520 It's about guys who are going bald while they're still an undergrad, and the line at the end of the article, 100% not making this up.

00:11:59.620 You can look it up.

00:12:00.700 This guy says, if you have a full head of hair, that's a blessing from God.

00:12:06.020 But if you're going bald, that's a blessing from God, too.

00:12:09.200 It's God telling you that you're getting uglier and you're going to die soon.

00:12:12.180 Well, I thought we were going – because people have said that – we mentioned going down to Tijuana, and we met that Mexican cop who said that if we go down, that he's got a hookup down there, hair replacement surgery.

00:12:26.040 Oh, yeah.

00:12:26.400 Blake.

00:12:27.180 You're really into that Tijuana hair replacement surgery.

00:12:30.180 No, because he pulled his – no, because he pulled his hat off, and he had, like, a perfect, you know, hairline, and he was like, I used to look like you, too, boy.

00:12:39.100 But then I went to TJ.

00:12:40.560 Can you imagine Blake's like – he comes to me and he's like, I can't do the show on Thursday and Friday.

00:12:45.720 I'll be back by two weeks from now.

00:12:48.720 I think that would be – that would be a great documentary.

00:12:52.860 Blake goes to –

00:12:53.300 Do a whole documentary of it, yes.

00:12:54.660 Blake goes to Tijuana and has his hair transplants.

00:12:57.420 Blake's Tijuana hair transplant.

00:12:58.520 You don't understand how many men are interested in the hair transplant thing.

00:13:02.660 That is true.

00:13:03.600 It is, like, one of those weird under-the-radar male internet –

00:13:08.840 Elon did it famously.

00:13:10.940 Oh, yeah, Elon did it.

00:13:11.640 Yeah.

00:13:12.020 Oh, yeah, he was really bald.

00:13:13.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:14.040 If you go pull up Elon's pictures from the 90s, I mean, you can see it.

00:13:18.520 There's, like, a picture – there's, like, that one picture of him and Peter Thiel from the PayPal era.

00:13:23.080 And you could just see.

00:13:23.920 I mean, it looks like – you know, he looks like – you know, he looks like a chia pet that nobody was really paying attention to for a couple months.

00:13:30.080 And now –

00:13:32.100 Could it just be, like, hair pills?

00:13:33.900 No, no, no, because –

00:13:35.100 You don't go back too much of it?

00:13:36.180 No, because he's got – so the old way they used to do it, there – you would have, like, this very unique, like, M scar on the back of your head.

00:13:47.680 And people have gone through his hair, and they can pinpoint a little bit.

00:13:52.480 Like, if you're – you wouldn't see it if it's just you're, like, in, you know, in person walking by.

00:13:57.500 But if you're actually looking for it, you can kind of see the line in the back of his head.

00:14:01.580 And they say that's the old way that they used to do hair transplants.

00:14:05.320 You would actually pull, like, a strip off of the back of the head and then pull the roots from there.

00:14:12.160 But, Blake, don't worry, because that's not how they do it now.

00:14:15.480 Not in TJ.

00:14:16.900 Down there, what they do is they actually go –

00:14:19.040 We could get a GoFundMe for this.

00:14:20.460 They go, like, root by root now.

00:14:22.200 So there's no scar.

00:14:23.240 This could be a GoFundMe thing.

00:14:25.040 You should do it.

00:14:25.940 Okay, but you should do it.

00:14:26.760 Send in your Rumble rants.

00:14:28.720 Should Blake go – use Rumble rants to fund Blake going down to TJ?

00:14:34.140 If we get over, I would say, $300.

00:14:37.760 $1,000?

00:14:38.240 Okay, $1,000 in Rumble rants.

00:14:39.900 You were going to sell them out for $300?

00:14:40.980 $300?

00:14:41.980 Yeah, $300.

00:14:43.620 If we get over $1,000 in Rumble rants –

00:14:46.040 You see who the actual Mexican is, by the way.

00:14:47.840 Then we will take this to a step two, which is undetermined.

00:14:52.180 Yeah.

00:14:52.580 What?

00:14:52.920 You just have to go – it's a consultation.

00:14:55.200 Yeah, we'll go down to Tijuana consultation.

00:14:58.120 Guys, I've said Tijuana, like, a hundred times.

00:14:59.920 I'll go – we have people to go with you.

00:15:02.020 You don't have to do this alone.

00:15:03.640 I'll do it.

00:15:04.300 I'll do it.

00:15:04.780 Where is the studio?

00:15:05.860 Yeah, I know.

00:15:06.480 We've got –

00:15:07.380 I'm good, but –

00:15:08.440 Wait, did you say you were going to do it?

00:15:09.320 I would love more hair.

00:15:10.360 You would do it?

00:15:10.760 Yeah, I would love to have that.

00:15:11.660 This guy – no, you weren't there that night.

00:15:13.080 This guy, I'm telling you –

00:15:13.760 I'm not balding.

00:15:14.420 I'm not balding, but like –

00:15:15.620 You could touch it up.

00:15:16.280 I need it.

00:15:17.020 You could touch it up for sure.

00:15:18.100 Yeah.

00:15:18.380 This guy, I'm telling you, like, his hairline –

00:15:21.760 Steve Carell did this during the office years.

00:15:23.980 I can't believe we're talking about hair this much.

00:15:25.360 I can't believe we're talking about hair this much.

00:15:25.460 That you could do this.

00:15:26.520 His hairline was like – like, your hat, like, that straight across line.

00:15:30.880 That's what his hairline was.

00:15:32.160 And it was crazy.

00:15:32.900 He's like, I used to look like you.

00:15:34.300 And didn't he show us his license?

00:15:35.940 He had, like, a driver's license.

00:15:36.880 I think he did.

00:15:37.460 I think he did.

00:15:37.900 And he showed us that.

00:15:39.160 And you could see that he was just bald.

00:15:41.300 He was, like, regular bald.

00:15:42.360 And then he pulled his hat.

00:15:43.260 It was very dramatic.

00:15:44.400 Right?

00:15:44.560 And he just pulled his hat off.

00:15:45.820 And it was like, oh, my gosh.

00:15:46.780 It was like his locks just, like, going flowing.

00:15:48.640 Yeah.

00:15:48.760 And he said he got that in – no, I mean, you know, your mileage may vary.

00:15:52.760 But he said he did that in, like, less than a year.

00:15:55.540 It was, like, a couple of months since he had it done.

00:15:57.120 And, you know, enough time that he hadn't –

00:15:58.420 You just can't miss that much show time.

00:15:59.960 He hadn't redone his –

00:16:01.000 I just feel like there's probably not a lot of –

00:16:02.620 You can put him on the show.

00:16:03.340 I feel like there's not a lot of upside to a person who publicly is bald

00:16:08.060 becoming abruptly not bald.

00:16:09.440 Why?

00:16:10.360 It's great.

00:16:10.900 It just seems like people would make fun of that.

00:16:13.160 No.

00:16:13.300 It's not for the town.

00:16:14.160 Not at all.

00:16:14.460 Who cares if people make fun of it?

00:16:16.140 Also, I don't really care about being bald.

00:16:19.420 Oh, okay.

00:16:20.040 All right.

00:16:21.180 I don't know.

00:16:21.760 You can always look better.

00:16:23.080 It's not about caring.

00:16:24.440 No.

00:16:25.180 It's about content.

00:16:26.380 It's about content.

00:16:27.280 Content is king.

00:16:28.100 Yeah.

00:16:29.820 Blake.

00:16:30.600 All right.

00:16:31.240 Hey.

00:16:31.920 Blake is on assignment.

00:16:33.340 In Tijuana.

00:16:34.260 You can always shave off your hair.

00:16:36.160 There's the song.

00:16:37.140 Finally.

00:16:39.100 Okay.

00:16:39.720 So we are here because we want to do this –

00:16:43.240 this is going to be a shortened episode because, you know,

00:16:45.980 it's a short week.

00:16:46.860 Well, it'll be a full episode but short in a sense.

00:16:49.840 Okay.

00:16:50.620 Shorter than Blake's hair.

00:16:53.280 No, nothing shorter than that.

00:16:54.640 That's pretty –

00:16:55.580 Nothing shorter than Blake's hair.

00:16:56.280 Just try to work that in.

00:16:57.200 So we're here to be thankful.

00:16:59.300 As Blake said, this has been a tough year.

00:17:01.460 We've got to practice gratitude.

00:17:06.920 This was one of Charlie's favorite holidays.

00:17:10.180 And he – I remember just the – it was like a string of gratitude

00:17:15.420 and Thanksgiving tweets last year after we won the election.

00:17:19.280 And, you know, here we are a year later without Charlie.

00:17:22.040 And, obviously, he was stolen from us.

00:17:25.080 And I think it's tempting not to be grateful this year.

00:17:28.160 But we have to practice it as a discipline because there are many things

00:17:31.880 to be grateful for.

00:17:33.420 I'm thankful for this team.

00:17:34.940 I'm thankful – you know, Jack, you've been in studio and in town so much.

00:17:39.420 I've been grateful for that.

00:17:41.060 You've been a mensch in just making sure that everybody's doing well

00:17:44.520 and making sure you keep touching base.

00:17:46.780 It's pretty great.

00:17:47.780 I'm appreciative of that.

00:17:49.000 I'm grateful for that.

00:17:49.880 No homo.

00:17:50.820 And I'm grateful that –

00:17:52.820 You have to say no homo.

00:17:53.720 You have to say that.

00:17:54.400 I'm – well, no homo.

00:17:56.240 Okay.

00:17:56.580 There you go.

00:17:57.260 But when you say it that way, it's like you're not thinking it.

00:17:59.440 Did you really mean it?

00:18:00.300 Did you really mean it?

00:18:01.020 Did you really mean it?

00:18:02.200 This is the great feminization.

00:18:03.880 Helen Andrews.

00:18:04.720 Please check that episode out.

00:18:05.900 It was so good.

00:18:06.320 Hold on.

00:18:06.920 Hold on.

00:18:07.340 We got one.

00:18:07.960 We have five towards the hair fund.

00:18:09.860 Oh!

00:18:10.340 Aha!

00:18:10.640 Susan's Pedals.

00:18:11.700 We're $9.55 short.

00:18:13.620 God only gives hair to people with lumpy heads, the perfect heads.

00:18:17.900 He makes bald to show them off.

00:18:20.080 This is from Zuzi's Pedals.

00:18:21.460 I can attest.

00:18:22.500 I have a very lumpy head.

00:18:23.540 If I went bald, I'd be way uglier.

00:18:25.500 Totally.

00:18:26.260 Okay.

00:18:26.700 So, the other thing I'm grateful for, actually, is that I got to spend eight years working

00:18:31.200 with Charlie.

00:18:33.380 Pretty wild, actually, to think about what Charlie is going to mean in the whole scheme of history

00:18:38.620 and just the passage of time and as we write history books, as documentaries come out, which

00:18:44.980 they will, as movies come out.

00:18:46.520 And the thought that I got to work with Charlie so closely and got to know him as personally

00:18:51.740 as I did, it's a real blessing, because he was a great guy.

00:18:56.180 The best.

00:18:58.040 Mr. Cannabis69, quite the name, says, I am thankful that Charlie Kirk helped me have faith again.

00:19:05.480 Oh, that is very nice.

00:19:07.200 Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:19:08.260 It's got so many.

00:19:09.180 Though you should also honor Charlie by not being Mr. Cannabis anymore.

00:19:12.380 That's what Charlie would say.

00:19:13.340 Well, that's true.

00:19:13.920 Yeah, I agree with you, Andrew.

00:19:15.700 It's been, as a point of reflection, obviously, this year, as we start to close out this year,

00:19:20.720 it's going to be really weird to be, they always say that the holidays are always harder

00:19:24.900 after you lose people, because you think about those people a lot more.

00:19:29.200 And obviously, we're praying for Erica and the family and all those that were close family

00:19:35.440 members of Charlie's, because this is going to be a really tough year for them.

00:19:38.700 But yeah, I mean, it can't help but like our entire Turning Point family, the show family,

00:19:43.120 everybody, it just is a different, it's a different holiday season this year, where I think we get

00:19:48.720 to take the time away.

00:19:51.960 Like I was telling the team today, we had a little Thanksgiving lunch before going off into

00:19:58.260 break. And, you know, there was a, there's a lot of similarity with, you know, the type of sadness

00:20:09.540 that can come from, from just tragedy, and coming out of that and figuring out kind of what will be

00:20:18.020 birthed. And like America, when it was born, had just a lot of trial, a lot of struggle, and a lot

00:20:24.840 of people who kind of wanted to give up on it. But out of that came a lot of good. And we had a lot

00:20:31.020 of people, you know, sacrifice themselves across history to give their lives to create something

00:20:38.220 that's really special. And, and so it's really about what you do with it now, at this point,

00:20:42.220 is, you know, as we reflect on kind of the sadness, the, the loneliness, some of that that comes from

00:20:49.220 not having Charlie here with us, is, is figuring out and really reflecting on, you know, where do we

00:20:54.220 go from here? And what do we do with it? So we're six minutes to our heart out, and then we're going

00:20:58.360 to be showing a flashback bit where we have when Charlie was still with us, and we talked a lot

00:21:03.420 about Thanksgiving. But before we go to that, how about we read some of Charlie's tweets? Because I

00:21:07.780 don't think we did, I don't think we were, did that in the actual show. I was going to do it if

00:21:10.700 you didn't. So we have, uh, first of all, we're going to flash all the way back, I think, because

00:21:15.340 we were discussing what types of, uh, food he appreciates, I think. Do we have that image? Do we

00:21:21.520 have that? Yeah. So first up, put up 218, Charlie's preferred Thanksgiving recipe with the Norman

00:21:26.720 Rockwell painted in the background, turkey, gravy. I remember this cranberries, and you have to

00:21:31.480 literally have the cylindrical can of the cranberry gelatin. And you just put it right in the

00:21:37.760 the pie. You just put it straight down. No alterations, no additions. You'll see that

00:21:42.300 in a bit. Stuffing, has to be cornbread, celery, carrots, sausage, green beans, not casserole.

00:21:47.580 Wrong. Totally wrong. And there's no pie mentioned, so we had to go dig back. We found a tweet put

00:21:53.920 up by, I believe, 220, is it? All the way back from 2012. That is wee lad Charlie. Teenage

00:22:00.620 Charlie, I guess. He got one retweet and zero likes. No, you go back here, I'm looking at his

00:22:06.100 2012, 2013, you know, 2014 tweets about Thanksgiving that Charlie put out. I mean, zero likes, zero

00:22:14.380 retweets. Yeah. Older time. He says pumpkin pie. He's just doing it, doing it for love of

00:22:18.740 the game. This is what, doing it for the love of the game. This was the first Thanksgiving

00:22:23.020 era that I had known Charlie. It was 2015. He had, yeah, he got like five, ten likes.

00:22:28.640 Why didn't you retweet him, Tyler? I'm going to. I'm going to all Thanksgiving. Why didn't you

00:22:32.140 retweet him back then? You didn't even care. Wow. Some friend you are. Yeah. That was

00:22:36.400 back in the era where I rejected having Twitter. Charlie was the one that made me get on Twitter.

00:22:40.920 I didn't, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it wasn't. It doesn't even, how do you even find out

00:22:44.140 who retweeted it? It got two bookmarks. Is that just those? You can see. It might be

00:22:47.960 us. You can see who retweeted. I think you clicked the thing. Yeah, repost. But we have

00:22:51.640 better, we have better, more recent Charlie tweets as well. Let's just run through some

00:22:55.300 of them. We got 217. This was last year. Psalm 100 verse four, enter his gates with

00:23:02.960 thanksgiving and his courts with praise, give thanks to him, bless his name. In 2020, which

00:23:09.060 that was another tough year. That was COVID year. That was the election went very bad year.

00:23:14.260 That was George Floyd year. And he tweeted, Jesus Christ is the King of the world. He died

00:23:21.000 for you this Thanksgiving. Give your life to Christ. It's the same thing he'd say if

00:23:25.400 he was here right now. He's saying it right now in another place, we believe. And we also

00:23:31.200 have, this is the one we showed earlier today, 208, also from last year. Happy Thanksgiving

00:23:36.100 from our family to yours. We are thankful for the gift of salvation for our amazing children

00:23:41.680 and God's mercy on our great country this year. Take a moment today to be grateful that

00:23:48.160 we did it. By God's grace alone, we took our country back. And that's one of the best things

00:23:53.860 with Charlie in everything he did is he was always very eager to turn it into praise towards

00:24:01.460 God. He was not one to collect praise on himself. He was not one to tout his own doings. As he

00:24:08.780 always said, it's all on God. All on God. And another one, 2024, I am overwhelmed with gratitude

00:24:16.760 this Thanksgiving. What a time to be alive. This is my personal favorite.

00:24:24.240 11, 21, 12. I am getting increasingly upset that the left is trying to paint Thanksgiving

00:24:29.860 as a day of Native American persecution. Banger. Yeah. No one liked retweeted. Zero likes, zero

00:24:38.320 retweets, zero cares given. That was, that was in the past. Yeah. I just, I just quote tweeted

00:24:45.220 it. Donnie, Donnie Dougal says Christians are heirs with Christ and notice he spelled

00:24:50.440 it heirs correctly. It's not hairs with Christ. It's heirs, not hairs. I feel like I remember

00:24:57.020 Charlie saying last year, and we're going to play this again. I feel like I remember him

00:25:01.780 saying, it may have been, may have been off air. He said to me, it's like, I eat one piece

00:25:04.440 of pie every year. And he was like, and he had ice cream on his birthday and on, I want

00:25:11.040 to say New Year's. 4th of July. Was it 4th of July? 4th of July. It was 4th of July.

00:25:15.640 You're right. Yeah. So he had ice cream and it was one scoop. Just twice a year. Would

00:25:21.540 Charlie have gotten, would Charlie have gone bald if he had stuck around? No, but Eric and

00:25:26.160 then I don't think he would have. Would he have, would he have, would he have gotten

00:25:28.340 Erica, Erica would have, Erica would have taken him out of Tijuana. She would have gone

00:25:33.860 for the Tijuana? Erica said, Erica said she found one gray hair on his head. One gray

00:25:38.120 hair. Just before he died, she saw one gray hair on his head, which is, man, he earned

00:25:45.520 every ounce of that one. So essentially the day he started aging was when he was taken off

00:25:50.280 this earth. Yeah. Reminds me of that eulogy that you helped write. Yeah. Yeah. From the

00:25:55.380 poem. He'll be forever. He shall not grow old. Age shall not weary him, nor the years

00:26:01.960 decay, degrade, something like that. Yep. And we who remain, I'll read it again. We can

00:26:10.060 close before we go to that. Let's see. I want to throw out, I was asked, by the way, Tyler,

00:26:15.460 your staff was very adamant that I have to say this. So the new hats and shirts, and he was

00:26:23.540 interested, we got the black ones now, black freedom hats, black freedom shirts, turningpoint.com,

00:26:29.580 as well as Tyler's hat there, One Nation Under God. Is it tpusa.com? No, turningpoint.com.

00:26:36.260 This is turningpoint.com. So this is the action. The action store is separate from the tpusa.

00:26:40.920 So did you not have turningpoint.com before? No, we did. So you did, but you never used

00:26:44.920 it. No, we used it. We've used it for the store. If you want the OG, if you want the OG,

00:26:48.680 the white shirt, that's at charliekirk.com. Yeah. Charliekirk.com is the freedom shirt.

00:26:53.940 Oh, yeah. I think you and I have something else to show, right? A little sneak preview

00:26:57.600 that we got. Comes out December 9th, 2025. It's Charlie's last book. There it is.

00:27:02.860 Stop in the name of God. Stop in the name of God. Why honoring the Sabbath will transform

00:27:06.300 your life. Charlie loves taking a Sabbath. So the backstory here is Charlie had to learn

00:27:11.640 how to manage everything that was on his plate, and he had incredible discipline on Friday night.

00:27:17.440 So he used the Jewish Shabbat as kind of his model, but he obviously was not Jewish, but

00:27:24.700 it gave him the framework to do it. So Friday, when the sun would set, he'd turn his phone

00:27:31.020 off, and he would literally just spend time with his family until the sun went up or went

00:27:35.580 down again on Friday or Saturday night. And he would just spend time with Eric and the

00:27:40.120 kids. That was it.

00:27:41.200 And that's so...

00:27:43.440 And it transformed his life.

00:27:45.980 And it's so perfect because the foreword, which was added after the fact, obviously,

00:27:51.360 is written by Erica Kirk.

00:27:53.320 Yeah.

00:27:53.840 It's amazing.

00:27:54.820 So this is the foreword by Erica Kirk.

00:27:58.180 All right, Blake.

00:27:58.540 We have a hard out.

00:27:59.580 We have a hard out.

00:28:00.420 You got to hear my Charlie theory, though.

00:28:02.460 No.

00:28:02.740 I'm going to say my Charlie theory.

00:28:03.820 You got to let Tyler run.

00:28:05.940 I got to jump on the phone.

00:28:07.240 He has a big thing.

00:28:07.820 You can go on the phone.

00:28:08.820 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

00:28:09.240 You can go on the phone, but you got to hear my Charlie theory, all right?

00:28:11.360 So we know that Charlie...

00:28:13.700 Two things that Charlie absolutely loved.

00:28:15.300 Three things, right?

00:28:16.460 One of his favorite movies was The Big Lebowski.

00:28:18.860 He said this to me so many times.

00:28:20.380 He loved this movie.

00:28:21.140 I'm saying it, Andrew.

00:28:21.820 I'm saying it.

00:28:22.300 And what does one of the characters do in The Big Lebowski, John Goodman's character?

00:28:27.780 He practices Shabbat.

00:28:29.940 He calls it Shomer Shabbat.

00:28:31.660 So he practices Shabbat.

00:28:32.600 I can't go bowling on Saturday.

00:28:34.100 It's Shabbat.

00:28:34.820 Shomer Shabbat.

00:28:35.360 It's Shomer Shabbat.

00:28:36.060 I can't do it.

00:28:36.880 And then, Blake, do you know where they go to eat in that movie?

00:28:40.960 I've never seen The Big Lebowski.

00:28:42.560 What?

00:28:42.740 They go to eat at In-N-Out.

00:28:45.960 Yeah.

00:28:47.460 So your theory...

00:28:48.620 Think about this.

00:28:49.460 I'm telling you, there's something about this.

00:28:51.440 The Big Lebowski, Charlie, it's got Shabbat, and In-N-Out in it.

00:28:55.780 The very earliest seeds may have been sown by Charlie's love of the Coen brothers and

00:29:03.060 The Big Lebowski.

00:29:04.440 It's possible.

00:29:05.020 It's my theory.

00:29:05.320 It's possible.

00:29:05.800 It's my theory.

00:29:06.300 Unlikely, but possible.

00:29:07.580 It's incredibly likely what you're talking about.

00:29:09.940 So we will continue.

00:29:11.160 We're going to be playing a flashback to last year or two years ago when we had all the

00:29:17.880 discussion on what to eat for Thanksgiving, what the tradition should be.

00:29:22.280 But it's with Charlie.

00:29:23.480 We wanted everyone to revisit that and enjoy it again.

00:29:27.580 And how about we just close?

00:29:29.620 Well, I didn't say what I was thankful for.

00:29:31.640 What are you thankful for?

00:29:32.740 I'm thankful for you guys.

00:29:33.720 Oh, well, thank you.

00:29:34.800 That's pretty good.

00:29:35.940 It's a good ending.

00:29:36.440 And of course, we're thankful for all of the audience, you guys who tuned in.

00:29:41.360 We hope all of you have a great Thanksgiving.

00:29:43.520 And I think let's close for the toss with the adjusted version of that poem we were talking

00:29:50.680 about, as we remember Charlie.

00:29:52.760 What's the name of the poem?

00:29:53.860 For the Fallen is the original name of the poem.

00:29:56.980 It's just one stanza within a larger one.

00:29:59.180 It was written, of course, about the people who died in World War I.

00:30:01.920 World War I, yeah.

00:30:02.360 He shall not grow old as we that are left grow old.

00:30:05.960 Age shall not weary him, nor the years condemn.

00:30:09.680 At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember him.

00:30:14.880 And be thankful.

00:30:17.380 Okay, everybody.

00:30:18.360 Hello.

00:30:18.720 It is Thought Crime Week.

00:30:21.040 It is Thanksgiving week.

00:30:23.660 And we are here.

00:30:24.840 By the way, the official uniform of Thought Crime this week is the Thanksgiving uniform.

00:30:28.920 I decided to go as Charlie Kirk for this Thanksgiving.

00:30:32.360 I didn't fully shave.

00:30:34.120 I might later.

00:30:35.040 And then your hair thing where you do the down up.

00:30:38.400 Hey, it's the natural collage.

00:30:40.040 It's like a Nike swoosh.

00:30:41.820 It is.

00:30:42.400 I have it trademarked.

00:30:44.000 Is that why you only wear Nikes?

00:30:45.420 I actually don't only wear Nikes.

00:30:48.060 But I should.

00:30:49.220 So we also have Blake and Tyler as well.

00:30:51.540 What are they wearing?

00:30:52.240 Let's see.

00:30:52.860 Blake is probably wearing a t-shirt.

00:30:53.900 I'm wearing my turkey hat.

00:30:55.500 I believe this is a Kirkland shirt.

00:30:57.940 I don't actually have a Costco membership.

00:31:00.300 But I'll be honest.

00:31:01.480 My mother buys a lot of shirts for me.

00:31:03.180 I'm wearing my turkey hat.

00:31:04.920 My Native American shawl.

00:31:06.900 I hear all you guys in there.

00:31:08.120 And then my Arizona State t-shirt.

00:31:10.200 Because we're going to the Big Tall Championship.

00:31:12.120 Unless things go awry on Saturday.

00:31:13.820 Well, maybe.

00:31:14.740 Hold on, Tyler.

00:31:15.420 You know the story of Arizona football.

00:31:17.200 Whatever is predictable.

00:31:18.760 No, Tyler knows this.

00:31:19.960 They will curse whatever inevitable path they have.

00:31:22.860 They mess it up.

00:31:23.780 It is an inevitability of Arizona State football.

00:31:27.380 I've got a front row seat, Charlie, on Saturday with my two brothers.

00:31:31.460 Right behind Kenny Dilliham.

00:31:33.800 So.

00:31:35.240 And down in Tucson.

00:31:36.840 This is a very dumb question.

00:31:38.540 Oh, you're going.

00:31:39.240 But.

00:31:39.640 Going down to Tucson.

00:31:40.500 Like they play out.

00:31:41.340 I'm going down to Tucson.

00:31:42.760 And front row seat.

00:31:44.380 I like Tucson.

00:31:45.260 Tucson's nice.

00:31:45.660 So it's going to be a miserable drive back.

00:31:48.060 This is a dumb question.

00:31:49.300 Having never gone to an ASU football game.

00:31:51.460 Do they just like suffer in complete agony for their first like three home games of the

00:31:56.320 season?

00:31:57.480 Because.

00:31:58.460 Oh, no.

00:31:58.740 They do evenings.

00:31:59.600 Evenings.

00:32:00.060 They do them in the evenings.

00:32:01.320 It's actually really nice.

00:32:02.040 It's still 95 degrees in Arizona.

00:32:03.620 It's a nice brisk 98.

00:32:06.100 But here's the factoid for everybody that's listening.

00:32:09.920 Arizona has the longest rivalry game in the country.

00:32:14.120 The Territory Cup.

00:32:15.640 Between Arizona State and Arizona.

00:32:17.620 People don't believe it.

00:32:18.440 Look it up.

00:32:19.980 No way.

00:32:20.480 Oregon, Oregon State has to be older.

00:32:22.040 I'm looking so.

00:32:22.640 Look it up.

00:32:23.600 Territorial Cup is the longest recognized NCAA football.

00:32:29.020 Longest played or longest uninterrupted?

00:32:30.300 Here come all the caveats.

00:32:31.260 It's the oldest.

00:32:31.920 Yale Princeton goes back to 1873.

00:32:34.500 No, it's the oldest.

00:32:35.900 It's the oldest.

00:32:37.120 Is it like the oldest that has a trophy for it?

00:32:38.040 How is it older than 1873?

00:32:40.500 Yale Princeton is pretty.

00:32:42.140 I mean, Yale Princeton was 1873.

00:32:44.520 No, but it's a rivalry game.

00:32:46.000 I'm surprised it's not older than that.

00:32:47.400 Yale Princeton is a rivalry game.

00:32:49.480 They hate each other.

00:32:49.960 You have to look up the territory.

00:32:51.580 Montana, Montana State, 1897.

00:32:54.580 That's pretty old.

00:32:55.520 Illinois State, Eastern Illinois, 1901.

00:32:57.100 Arizona wasn't even a state back then.

00:32:59.080 No one lived in Arizona State.

00:33:00.180 There couldn't be an Arizona State because there wasn't a state.

00:33:03.020 That's why they lived there.

00:33:04.140 I'm looking online and it says the duel in the desert is just 1899.

00:33:08.400 And there's many rivalries that are older than 1899.

00:33:11.680 There's Michigan, Notre Dame, 1887.

00:33:16.300 Duke, North Carolina, 1888.

00:33:18.520 Guys, it's the oldest one that Tyler knows about.

00:33:21.380 No, no, no.

00:33:22.060 It actually goes to.

00:33:22.560 Look at Google, Territorial Cup.

00:33:24.860 Army, Navy game, 1890.

00:33:26.560 I feel like the Army, Navy game is pretty old.

00:33:30.020 Like, they're, and they're still going.

00:33:32.440 Territorial Cup, the nation's oldest rivalry trophy.

00:33:35.400 Oh, oldest trophy.

00:33:36.940 That's, so the trophy is physically.

00:33:38.440 You can't really have a cup without a trophy.

00:33:41.160 You can just spiritually have one.

00:33:43.380 That's it.

00:33:44.460 So, and that's, and that was Territorial.

00:33:46.720 That's what's called the Territorial Cup.

00:33:48.020 Sounds like your Territorial.

00:33:49.680 Arizona State was the normal school.

00:33:51.980 And that was it.

00:33:52.900 Big time.

00:33:53.340 Okay.

00:33:54.120 All right.

00:33:54.860 I'm not saying it's good football.

00:33:56.160 I'm just saying it's, it's.

00:33:57.500 I have, by the way, since it is a Thanksgiving Day episode,

00:34:00.020 I wanted to flag that we have all something very important to be grateful for.

00:34:05.080 You remember Real Raw News, Charlie?

00:34:08.380 You remember Real Raw News?

00:34:09.840 America's only trustworthy news source.

00:34:12.260 They have a breaking report today, just before Thanksgiving.

00:34:15.420 Special Forces have arrested Kamala Harris.

00:34:19.260 She has come back from her vacation in Hawaii, but they nabbed her.

00:34:25.060 According to the story, there were moles inside of her Secret Service detail,

00:34:30.400 and they couldn't get her in Hawaii.

00:34:32.160 I guess Hawaii is like the deep state safe zone where they control things,

00:34:36.460 but they got her back to D.C., which is also a deep state safe zone,

00:34:39.840 but not as safe.

00:34:41.140 And so they managed to take her into custody.

00:34:44.380 She and Doug Emhoff will be sent to Gitmo to stand trial for treason.

00:34:49.200 I'm glad Real Raw News was able to get.

00:34:52.700 Happy Thanksgiving.

00:34:53.640 Ladies and gentlemen.

00:34:53.960 I mean, I was worried that she might be out there making those greens.

00:34:57.500 So Tyler's half right.

00:34:58.740 It's the oldest trophy.

00:35:01.020 It's the oldest trophy.

00:35:03.500 Okay.

00:35:04.120 That is legit.

00:35:05.460 So it is the oldest trophy, the Territorial Cup.

00:35:09.420 It's pretty impressive for Arizona.

00:35:10.320 It doesn't sound like it's a trophy.

00:35:11.580 It sounds like it's a cup.

00:35:12.600 Nothing's older than it.

00:35:13.360 No, he's right.

00:35:13.840 The Territorial Cup was created 125 years ago for the 1899 championship.

00:35:18.280 It's the oldest rivalry trophy in college football.

00:35:21.080 But what was the school even called before?

00:35:23.840 I don't know.

00:35:25.020 My ASU was called the Normal School.

00:35:27.660 It was called the Normal School.

00:35:28.540 It was literally called Tempe Normal.

00:35:31.040 Tempe Normal.

00:35:31.780 And Arizona.

00:35:33.260 Huh.

00:35:34.020 And then it was called Arizona State Teachers.

00:35:36.300 The Territorial Cup is so old that it literally is like a cup.

00:35:40.700 It looks like a vase that you would put flowers in.

00:35:44.600 I'm actually impressed that I thought no one lived in Arizona until like 1930.

00:35:47.640 No, my ancestors were there.

00:35:49.480 It was literally just two football teams.

00:35:51.280 I said accept, Tyler.

00:35:52.080 Prior to 1912, it was just two football teams.

00:35:55.580 Yeah, I just, it's remarkable.

00:35:57.240 And to go that you had to replace someone on the team.

00:36:00.680 Arizona's population in 1890 was 88,000 people.

00:36:07.080 When did your family move here?

00:36:08.660 We chased twice as many, more than twice as many.

00:36:10.900 65% of them were related to Tyler.

00:36:13.260 I'm a seventh generation Arizona.

00:36:14.820 When did the oldest Boyer show up here?

00:36:17.520 It wasn't Boyer.

00:36:18.280 It was lambs and those people.

00:36:21.960 But it was the 1860s.

00:36:24.400 In 1860, the population of Arizona was 6,482 people.

00:36:30.000 Better not.

00:36:30.680 That is, that is OG.

00:36:32.620 Second cousins with Sheriff Lamp.

00:36:34.120 Yep.

00:36:35.300 Man.

00:36:36.360 Now there's 6,000.

00:36:38.300 There's like probably more than that within like a couple blocks of here.

00:36:42.760 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:36:44.000 All right.

00:36:44.360 Speaking of getting out into the wild, they say evolution has gone soft and that men have

00:36:49.300 traded their strength for comfort.

00:36:50.600 But if you're not about to let your instincts go dull, sign fuel up with something raw and

00:36:55.320 real.

00:36:56.200 You hear that?

00:36:56.760 It's in the script, Blake.

00:36:58.460 Raw and real.

00:37:00.320 Right there.

00:37:01.320 Right there.

00:37:01.540 It's in the script.

00:37:02.300 Right, Jack?

00:37:02.700 Am I making it up?

00:37:03.620 Something raw, real, and primal.

00:37:06.640 By the way, we should do a spinoff called Primal News.

00:37:10.820 Primal News, yes.

00:37:12.240 By the way, Blake could be a millionaire running Primal News as a spinoff of Real Raw

00:37:16.660 News because he understands that language so well.

00:37:19.920 We should just call it, is there a Primal News?

00:37:21.720 I don't even want to see what that would do.

00:37:22.700 I don't think there is.

00:37:23.400 No, there's no Primal News.

00:37:24.340 I'm sure that would be crap.

00:37:25.240 I'm going to ruin.

00:37:25.840 Primal News, okay.

00:37:26.840 This is going to end wrong.

00:37:28.160 Not good.

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00:37:31.480 It's called Naked Organs.

00:37:32.740 We're talking pure bison liver, kidney, heart, and testicles, some of which are very nutrient

00:37:37.380 dense on the planet, nutrient dense foods on the planet.

00:37:40.400 Bison liver alone packs up more than three times more vitamin A than muscle meat, along

00:37:44.020 with high levels of vitamin B12, iron, and folate, all essential for energy, immune

00:37:47.780 health, and keeping you sharp.

00:37:49.020 And the best part, you get all these powerhouse nutrients in a form that's easy to take.

00:37:52.880 No raw organs required.

00:37:55.080 Head to bnaked.com, use promo code Charlie, and get 15% off.

00:37:58.360 Time to silence the noise, reclaim your power, and get back to being unstoppable.

00:38:02.380 Okay, guys.

00:38:03.040 We have to talk about Thanksgiving.

00:38:05.720 Is it okay to eat steak on Thanksgiving?

00:38:09.260 I really worry.

00:38:10.360 Yes, but not if it's the only thing you eat on Thanksgiving.

00:38:12.560 No.

00:38:13.120 No.

00:38:13.360 That's incorrect.

00:38:14.480 Incorrect.

00:38:15.000 Not allowed.

00:38:16.340 No.

00:38:16.660 You can have...

00:38:17.580 Tyler and I were discussing this.

00:38:19.020 You're saying not at all?

00:38:19.800 Not at all.

00:38:20.500 Not at all.

00:38:20.960 You can have...

00:38:21.780 You must have turkey.

00:38:23.160 It is required to have turkey.

00:38:25.460 You may have ham if it is supplementary to the turkey, but, like, it should be...

00:38:32.540 Any meat you have should be from, like, a central meat dispensing entity.

00:38:38.620 You cannot have individualized servings of meat.

00:38:42.380 That is my position on Thanksgiving.

00:38:44.360 So steak is not from a central meat dispensing...

00:38:46.560 No, like, you don't make a giant...

00:38:48.540 You don't make, like, a 50-pound steak and then take, like, a piece of it and, like, pass

00:38:52.840 the giant super steak around.

00:38:55.220 Like, that's what you do with ham or turkey.

00:38:57.720 Like, you make the whole turkey or you make the whole ham and you, like, cut a little bit

00:39:01.740 of it.

00:39:02.060 But you don't do that with steak.

00:39:03.300 No, but that's what I'm saying.

00:39:04.420 That's what I'm saying.

00:39:05.080 You can have a separate serving of a plate of steak for people.

00:39:09.900 Similar to the ham.

00:39:10.940 No, it's just wrong.

00:39:13.260 Like, because ham is, like, supplement to the turkey taste.

00:39:19.540 You have to have turkey and ham on your plate.

00:39:22.860 You don't need ham, though.

00:39:24.500 No, you don't need ham.

00:39:25.680 You have to have turkey.

00:39:26.400 No, no, I'm a turkey purist.

00:39:28.160 But some people think that they can start to get really...

00:39:31.000 Now, Christmas is a completely different ballgame.

00:39:33.480 There are no rules with Christmas.

00:39:35.100 Ham is usually center, but steak is acceptable.

00:39:37.560 You want the ham.

00:39:37.740 Yeah, but no, but still, Christmas is a whole...

00:39:40.040 Thanksgiving, it is un-American not to have either turkey, some sort of dressing, cranberries.

00:39:48.260 But here's the thing about the cranberry thing.

00:39:49.980 If you want to be an ultra-traditionalist, it must be straight out of the can, taken vertically

00:39:55.080 with no adjustments.

00:39:57.200 And now, if you want to have the...

00:39:58.420 Is it, wait, is this some Chicago thing now?

00:40:01.040 Hold on.

00:40:01.520 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:40:03.220 And if you want to have cranberry with adjustments, that could be supplementary.

00:40:07.040 But, however, it must be out of the can, and you just take it vertically, and it just jiggles.

00:40:12.280 Walk me through your stuffing.

00:40:13.640 The stuffing is very interesting.

00:40:15.060 Okay.

00:40:15.740 Now, here's the big question.

00:40:17.100 Yes.

00:40:17.420 Does the stuffing go in the turkey, or is it prepared outside of the turkey?

00:40:21.400 Is that stuffing versus dressing?

00:40:22.780 Do you prepare it and then put it in, cook it with the turkey?

00:40:24.440 Or some people will prepare it and then just put it in for, like, the final...

00:40:27.700 See, that's a little...

00:40:28.700 The final leg.

00:40:29.040 You got to go the full lantha.

00:40:32.440 So, dressing has to be, obviously, cornbread.

00:40:37.760 Yes.

00:40:38.480 Some sort of celeries and carrots.

00:40:40.200 Sure.

00:40:40.880 Sausage.

00:40:41.480 You need your crunch.

00:40:41.960 A little crunch.

00:40:43.220 Mix that all together.

00:40:45.340 But you know what makes the stuffing really kicker?

00:40:48.320 The gravy.

00:40:49.240 Yes.

00:40:49.560 And so, you need the gravy.

00:40:51.740 You have the stuffing.

00:40:52.980 You have the jiggling cranberry.

00:40:55.460 You got the turkey.

00:40:57.580 And that's all that's accepted.

00:40:58.780 And then, also, maybe green beans and then sweet potatoes.

00:41:01.440 Green bean casserole.

00:41:02.160 How do you make the sweet potatoes?

00:41:03.420 No, no, no.

00:41:04.120 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:41:05.420 What's the issue with green bean casserole?

00:41:07.400 I just...

00:41:08.080 It's not allowed.

00:41:09.540 What do you mean it's not allowed?

00:41:10.100 You're getting too cute.

00:41:10.920 Green bean casserole is not cute.

00:41:11.760 No, green bean casserole is not cute.

00:41:12.060 No, it's a staple.

00:41:12.780 It's a staple.

00:41:14.020 It's a total staple.

00:41:15.440 With the...

00:41:16.080 No, no, with those little crunchy things on top.

00:41:17.740 Fried onions.

00:41:18.940 Fried onions.

00:41:19.700 No, no, no.

00:41:19.980 I like...

00:41:20.460 What?

00:41:20.880 I like the long, uninterrupted, unblemished green beans.

00:41:25.460 With butter?

00:41:26.120 With butter.

00:41:26.620 Yeah.

00:41:26.900 That's good, though.

00:41:27.480 No, those are good, too.

00:41:28.160 No casserole.

00:41:29.820 I never said casserole.

00:41:30.760 The casserole is a...

00:41:31.760 No, we are saying casserole is a staple.

00:41:33.900 It's an absolute Thanksgiving staple.

00:41:35.080 I don't think it's a staple.

00:41:37.080 100%.

00:41:37.480 And then, let me think what else.

00:41:40.040 Okay, yes, then the sweet potatoes.

00:41:41.780 Sure.

00:41:42.340 But none of this marshmallow stuff.

00:41:44.040 You see, this is new age, and it's a mistake.

00:41:46.640 We're all of a sudden...

00:41:47.300 We're going full trad.

00:41:48.140 No, no.

00:41:48.400 It's a mixture of...

00:41:49.960 It's like 1950s Thanksgiving.

00:41:52.020 Right.

00:41:52.300 It's like...

00:41:52.700 That's why it's like the...

00:41:53.640 No, no, no.

00:41:54.360 I'm saying no marshmallows.

00:41:55.440 No, no, no marshmallows.

00:41:56.100 The marshmallow thing is a disgrace.

00:41:58.160 Well, Charlie, hold on a second, though, because there is one thing...

00:42:01.960 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, there is one thing, one dish, that we know for a fact was served

00:42:06.740 at the original Thanksgiving, Charlie.

00:42:08.800 You know where I'm going with this.

00:42:09.880 Smallpox?

00:42:10.700 No, no, no, Charlie.

00:42:12.120 Not what we served.

00:42:13.840 What was served to us.

00:42:15.100 Oh, got it.

00:42:16.020 Corn.

00:42:16.900 Oh, see, no, no, no.

00:42:18.300 Oh, corn...

00:42:19.520 Corn was served at the original Thanksgiving, Charlie.

00:42:21.020 The only corn that is acceptable is cornbread.

00:42:22.980 I will say, you have to bend the knee to the corn god, and cornbread has to be either

00:42:26.520 the dressing, the stuffing...

00:42:27.700 Do you agree, Tyler?

00:42:28.620 Well, long-time thought-time listeners will remember that Charlie is like...

00:42:33.580 Blake radicalized me against the corn god.

00:42:35.240 He's an anti-cornite.

00:42:36.480 I think corn has no redemptive value, unless it is for Thanksgiving, because then it is

00:42:41.620 a sacrament to Squanto.

00:42:44.120 No, no, corn is good in the summertime.

00:42:46.340 We eat the corn on Thanksgiving to show our thanks that the angry corn god has not destroyed

00:42:51.900 us.

00:42:52.120 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:42:52.980 No, corn on the cob is summer.

00:42:54.420 Exactly.

00:42:55.120 This is exactly right.

00:42:56.280 I forgot his name.

00:42:57.020 I forgot the corn god's name in the movie.

00:42:58.260 No, no, we're not talking about corn on the cob.

00:42:59.520 We're talking about corn elements.

00:43:01.300 Cornbread, for example.

00:43:02.940 Cornbread is great.

00:43:03.880 Even, wait, wait, wait, even Charlie Kirk, like the chief anti-corrent.

00:43:08.280 Wow, this is huge.

00:43:09.300 No, this is what Thanksgiving...

00:43:10.080 This is big.

00:43:10.760 This is...

00:43:11.000 Let's be very clear.

00:43:11.920 Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do.

00:43:14.620 Ooh, okay.

00:43:14.960 It is what your ancestors did.

00:43:17.840 Okay.

00:43:18.340 And it doesn't matter if you don't want to...

00:43:19.980 What you must do.

00:43:20.940 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:43:22.000 It's not about...

00:43:22.740 I don't care about it.

00:43:23.380 If you don't like cranberries, you don't like turkey, suck it up.

00:43:25.680 It's Thanksgiving.

00:43:26.920 There is no...

00:43:27.800 This modernity, like, I'm going to put, like...

00:43:31.320 Tanya doesn't...

00:43:31.980 Tanya will not eat turkey.

00:43:33.140 She won't do it.

00:43:33.300 It doesn't matter.

00:43:34.040 She'll make it.

00:43:34.660 She won't eat it.

00:43:35.040 Figure it out.

00:43:35.520 She won't eat it.

00:43:35.980 So here in Arizona...

00:43:37.420 I don't know what to tell you.

00:43:38.460 I completely agree with Charlie.

00:43:40.040 I think the canned cranberry is a must on the table.

00:43:45.160 However, you have to have...

00:43:47.520 Boom!

00:43:47.900 You have to have a sec...

00:43:48.960 In Arizona, we have jalapeno cranberries.

00:43:53.020 Incredible.

00:43:53.940 If you haven't had it...

00:43:54.700 I know you're regionalizing this too much.

00:43:56.280 Jalapeno cranberries.

00:43:56.580 No, it's good.

00:43:57.200 It adds a little spice.

00:44:00.380 It's just a little bit.

00:44:01.660 I like when I went to the Grand Canyon last summer and I discovered that, I guess, they

00:44:04.860 just sell, like, prickly pear everything at every Arizona tourism thing.

00:44:09.820 That's anywhere in Arizona, really.

00:44:13.020 So I have a question for everybody, though.

00:44:15.760 And this is getting deep into the weeds.

00:44:18.000 So we talked about stuffing or dressing.

00:44:20.760 Moist stuffing or dry stuffing?

00:44:23.040 It's got to be dry, but the gravy makes it moist.

00:44:26.800 If you make it too moist, you're...

00:44:28.640 Before the gravy.

00:44:29.160 Because you always make it more moist.

00:44:30.240 Before the gravy.

00:44:30.820 You can't...

00:44:31.260 It has to be on the spectrum of tilt moist, but not too much, because if it's too dry,

00:44:38.040 then it's just...

00:44:38.780 It's too brittle.

00:44:40.200 And brittle...

00:44:40.820 There's nothing worse than brittle dressing.

00:44:43.180 So...

00:44:43.860 You call it dressing or stuffing?

00:44:44.680 Scoopable.

00:44:45.300 I'm noticing that you call it dressing.

00:44:46.900 It should be stuffing.

00:44:48.180 However, I've been corrected many times.

00:44:49.980 I've always called it stuffing, even though it's not technically stuffing.

00:44:53.100 Unless it's within the turkey.

00:44:54.880 Yes.

00:44:55.880 Dressing is outside the turkey.

00:44:57.020 It's still called stuffing.

00:44:57.500 No, it's not.

00:44:58.220 No, I grew up calling it stuffing, even though we never put it in the turkey.

00:45:02.380 No, but it's the...

00:45:02.940 I mean, I get that.

00:45:03.760 But the type of food would be called still stuffing.

00:45:06.920 Dressing is like for salads.

00:45:08.500 No.

00:45:09.220 No, no, no.

00:45:09.960 Dressing is outside.

00:45:11.740 Tyler knows you're right.

00:45:12.760 For me, it's stuff.

00:45:13.740 No, I reject that completely.

00:45:15.100 I totally reject that.

00:45:15.580 For me, stuffing is like a type of food.

00:45:17.280 And it should be used to stuff in it.

00:45:19.520 But it is still stuffing, even if it's not doing the stuff.

00:45:22.280 There's lots of things that we have where we don't use the name properly, but we still

00:45:26.720 call it that because it used to be done that way.

00:45:28.000 I'm excited for Thanksgiving at this point.

00:45:29.660 This is great.

00:45:30.300 So people know we're pre-taping this.

00:45:33.180 Yeah, ahead of...

00:45:33.900 Yeah, we are...

00:45:35.060 Today is we are on Tuesday.

00:45:36.700 No, no, we are...

00:45:36.780 We actually blew off Thanksgiving.

00:45:37.920 We blew off Thanksgiving to do this broadcast.

00:45:40.360 We're supposed to be eating right now.

00:45:41.880 Yeah.

00:45:42.340 Yeah.

00:45:42.540 So now, let's now go to the more fundamental question.

00:45:46.800 Okay.

00:45:47.260 Dessert.

00:45:48.980 Okay?

00:45:49.820 Because that really is what...

00:45:51.480 Do you need a set...

00:45:52.040 Well, for me, I mean, if...

00:45:53.640 Hold on.

00:45:53.860 I have...

00:45:54.240 I have...

00:45:54.560 All right, go ahead.

00:45:55.160 No, no, you go.

00:45:55.680 You go...

00:45:55.900 No, this is...

00:45:56.320 I have...

00:45:56.980 I have at times, and my mom knows this, I have left the house, gone to the store,

00:46:03.260 and purchased the ingredients for pumpkin pie and brought it home and made it myself

00:46:08.400 because there was no pumpkin pie available.

00:46:10.880 It is required.

00:46:12.100 Oh, I completely agree.

00:46:13.720 It is like...

00:46:14.240 100% required.

00:46:14.980 The first commandment of Thanksgiving...

00:46:17.100 Oh, yeah.

00:46:17.500 ...of Thanksgiving...

00:46:18.180 Oh, yeah.

00:46:18.600 ...is thou shall have pumpkin pie with whipped cream.

00:46:21.020 With whipped cream, yes.

00:46:21.700 It is a non-negotiable.

00:46:23.360 Right.

00:46:23.520 If it's not there, like, I got up, I got in my car, I was like, I'm just gonna go.

00:46:27.680 I'm not gonna go.

00:46:27.960 Now, Ryan asks a really good question.

00:46:30.200 Is Thanksgiving meal a lunch or a dinner?

00:46:32.140 The answer is around 3.30 to 4 p.m.

00:46:35.320 Yeah.

00:46:35.600 That is the sweet spot.

00:46:37.000 Right as the sun is going down in Chicago, boom, you sit down, right?

00:46:40.620 It is...

00:46:41.020 Thanksgiving dinner is...

00:46:41.700 That is way too late.

00:46:42.800 It is itself its own meal.

00:46:44.940 No, no, no.

00:46:45.260 That is...

00:46:45.620 That's way too late.

00:46:47.080 You do it...

00:46:48.120 I would say Neff family tradition is maybe 1 to 1.30 p.m.

00:46:53.000 Ah, it's so early.

00:46:54.180 It's super early.

00:46:55.380 What are you doing?

00:46:56.400 Half time of the second football game.

00:46:59.060 When are you going to sleep?

00:46:59.920 Half time of the second football game.

00:47:02.140 No, you got to smell it.

00:47:04.160 The first football game is the Lions.

00:47:06.400 The Cowboys are always second.

00:47:07.820 We have a tradition in our house.

00:47:09.600 Half time of Cowboys, we get seated.

00:47:11.540 Because we're cheering that the Cowboys will lose.

00:47:14.300 Yes.

00:47:15.320 Well, that's good, but...

00:47:16.880 We're in Philadelphia.

00:47:17.360 That's just way too...

00:47:18.360 That's way too late.

00:47:19.940 We share that tradition as well.

00:47:22.600 Like...

00:47:22.840 Oh, TV's off during the meal.

00:47:24.300 No, it's in the other room.

00:47:25.560 TV should be off.

00:47:26.400 Yeah, like...

00:47:28.480 I greatly dislike the, like, TV sanctification of Thanksgiving.

00:47:33.840 Like, I don't know.

00:47:35.100 I would watch...

00:47:36.940 I would consider it...

00:47:37.980 Like, if the Packers are on, I would watch the Packers.

00:47:40.820 But I do not consider it essential to watch.

00:47:43.300 Now there's three games on Thanksgiving.

00:47:44.900 Well, we usually have, like...

00:47:46.140 No, this is true.

00:47:46.780 There has been a desecration.

00:47:48.160 It used to be only two games.

00:47:49.920 And it was on Fox.

00:47:51.560 It would be the Lions, who used to be bad.

00:47:53.160 And now they're good.

00:47:54.640 And...

00:47:55.080 Actually, who do they play this week?

00:47:56.320 Let me see.

00:47:56.720 I bet it's actually a pretty good lineup.

00:47:58.400 And then it was the Cowboys.

00:48:00.100 But now NBC got greedy.

00:48:02.420 Because it was Fox had their game.

00:48:04.040 CBS had their game.

00:48:05.240 And then NBC got greedy.

00:48:06.620 And they snuck in their own.

00:48:08.120 So, is that this week?

00:48:09.460 No.

00:48:09.700 Okay, let me see here.

00:48:10.280 What do we got?

00:48:10.660 We got a new week of football.

00:48:12.380 Okay, there's three games.

00:48:13.960 Oh, Blake, you're in luck!

00:48:16.020 Yeah, I know.

00:48:16.660 I know.

00:48:17.120 I'll see it.

00:48:17.580 It's the evening game, too.

00:48:18.260 The Dolphins are visiting.

00:48:19.620 Lambeau.

00:48:20.420 Okay, I'm going to be watching that.

00:48:21.900 Oh, and Chicago plays on Thanksgiving.

00:48:24.240 Oh, wow.

00:48:25.160 They're going to get annihilated.

00:48:27.160 They're going to die.

00:48:29.140 At Detroit.

00:48:29.860 It's going to be bad.

00:48:30.320 At Detroit, that's...

00:48:30.980 Yeah, that's not going to be bad.

00:48:31.440 By the way, you can tell who's having a better season.

00:48:33.260 Tickets start at Ford Field for $181.

00:48:36.860 Tickets start at Jerry Stademan, $28.

00:48:39.520 Yeah, my son asked me the other day,

00:48:41.840 because he saw when we went to the Eagles game,

00:48:44.300 and he was, like, all jealous that we went.

00:48:46.160 And so he was like,

00:48:46.940 Oh, Daddy, give me some Eagles tickets.

00:48:48.400 We'll go.

00:48:48.660 And so we looked up the ones for Thanksgiving weekend,

00:48:50.460 and I was like,

00:48:51.100 I got to sell a lot more pillows.

00:48:53.320 Yeah.

00:48:53.540 Like, Eagles tickets right now are...

00:48:55.580 It was...

00:48:56.500 $500 was, like, the highest nosebleed.

00:48:59.340 311 is where they start at.

00:49:00.920 Insane.

00:49:01.620 Yeah, this week.

00:49:02.060 You're seeing, what, 311, and that's in Baltimore.

00:49:04.220 But Baltimore's so close, you're basically in the same...

00:49:06.940 Filly light, right?

00:49:07.780 Yeah, you're pretty much in...

00:49:08.600 I mean, it's, like, 90 minutes.

00:49:10.000 You know, the way I drive, it's 90 minutes.

00:49:11.540 Okay, so now that we have developed something...

00:49:14.100 By the way, by the way,

00:49:15.100 I don't want to throw my mom under the bus,

00:49:16.440 because every single year,

00:49:17.700 and I know she's going to watch this,

00:49:18.680 every single year post that,

00:49:20.400 there's, like, a selection of pumpkin pies

00:49:22.780 that is always available.

00:49:24.600 That's the way it must be.

00:49:25.180 By the way, do you think that pecan pie

00:49:27.260 can also make an appearance?

00:49:28.620 Of course.

00:49:29.240 Okay, good.

00:49:29.720 Most of other pies can be there,

00:49:31.320 but pumpkin is the only one that's a pie.

00:49:32.140 No, pecan pie, I actually prefer more than pumpkin pie.

00:49:34.780 Yeah, easily.

00:49:34.980 However, I must have a slice of pumpkin pie first.

00:49:37.360 Wait, wait, wait.

00:49:37.740 Were you always like that, though?

00:49:39.980 When you were little, you liked pecan pie first?

00:49:40.760 My mom makes a killer pecan pie.

00:49:43.140 Okay.

00:49:43.480 Like, destroys the world.

00:49:45.720 Okay.

00:49:46.140 What about chocolate pie?

00:49:47.280 So when I was younger, I was always pumpkin,

00:49:49.840 but then pecan pie...

00:49:51.180 Well, now we're getting into chocolate pecan pie,

00:49:54.080 and that's where you just surrender.

00:49:55.800 You're just done at that point.

00:49:56.980 It's just...

00:49:57.420 So you throw...

00:49:59.080 Because, guys, folks who don't know,

00:50:00.500 Charlie, you're usually pretty strict with your diet.

00:50:02.540 You're usually...

00:50:03.000 Pretty strict.

00:50:03.400 It's like...

00:50:04.020 Yeah, you're usually like...

00:50:04.760 No, no, no, but Thanksgiving's different.

00:50:06.440 Thanksgiving, you go all in,

00:50:08.260 and it is a holy day.

00:50:10.060 By the way, I think Thanksgiving's

00:50:11.380 one of America's greatest traditions.

00:50:13.460 It is.

00:50:13.760 Because it's a day just to give thanks.

00:50:15.360 I think it's uniquely awesome.

00:50:17.380 Talk about that for a little bit,

00:50:18.820 because there's, you know, a lot of people say,

00:50:21.260 well, it's just about the Indians,

00:50:23.300 it's the pilgrims.

00:50:24.620 Well, everything is what you make of it, right?

00:50:25.760 Who cares?

00:50:26.840 There's no God involved.

00:50:28.140 Why do you...

00:50:28.940 Well, no, first of all,

00:50:29.640 the pilgrims were definitely giving thanks to God.

00:50:31.560 They were.

00:50:31.900 They were not giving, you know, thanks to Brahman.

00:50:34.280 But they were giving thanks to the Almighty God.

00:50:36.240 Mm-hmm.

00:50:36.800 And...

00:50:37.200 But, yeah, secondly,

00:50:38.280 I just think it's amazing,

00:50:39.700 especially during this season

00:50:40.780 where we have such abundance

00:50:41.700 and we won the election,

00:50:42.820 that there's a day where you just stop

00:50:44.180 and you say thank you,

00:50:45.440 which then, of course,

00:50:46.140 acknowledges you're saying thank you

00:50:47.180 to a higher power.

00:50:48.560 And I don't know of another nation

00:50:50.720 or another country

00:50:51.780 that has a day of gratitude.

00:50:53.340 I think I actually said this once,

00:50:54.660 and I guess there was, like,

00:50:55.860 some random African country that has it,

00:50:57.800 and that's fine.

00:50:58.440 I got, like, in trouble

00:50:59.280 for saying this last year.

00:51:00.320 Yeah, okay.

00:51:00.600 Okay, so fine.

00:51:01.180 I guess Senegal has a day like that.

00:51:03.420 I'll look it up.

00:51:04.120 However...

00:51:04.440 Great job, Senegal!

00:51:05.700 Or whatever.

00:51:06.580 But...

00:51:06.860 Following in some good footsteps.

00:51:08.600 But a day of gratitude...

00:51:10.180 I subscribe to the Prager.

00:51:12.480 Hopefully he's doing better.

00:51:13.640 He's fighting like crazy right now.

00:51:15.080 Belief, he's really struggling.

00:51:16.800 That happiness is impossible

00:51:18.140 if you are not grateful.

00:51:19.380 And I believe that.

00:51:20.020 I do not think you can have joy.

00:51:21.260 I do not think you can be content

00:51:22.640 if you're not grateful.

00:51:23.860 And I think it's a beautiful thing.

00:51:25.000 As a nation,

00:51:25.400 we have a day to say thank you.

00:51:26.480 We have to dunk on the nation.

00:51:28.260 Who always...

00:51:28.860 Who always gave us the story of Thanksgiving.

00:51:33.100 Real quick, no, just real quick.

00:51:33.940 You know, shout out to the OG

00:51:34.960 who always told us

00:51:35.720 the true story of Thanksgiving.

00:51:37.240 Rush Limbaugh.

00:51:38.220 Oh, man.

00:51:38.980 He was an OG on that.

00:51:40.300 He just did it every year.

00:51:42.020 I've still got...

00:51:42.500 I've got a recording of it somewhere.

00:51:44.560 We used to play it.

00:51:45.900 And...

00:51:45.980 I gotta re-listen that.

00:51:47.020 And try to...

00:51:47.360 It's so good.

00:51:48.100 Send that to me tonight.

00:51:49.220 I gotta re-try to recreate it.

00:51:50.600 I did something on the show

00:51:51.980 last year where I sort of like...

00:51:54.760 I didn't try to do it like Rush did it,

00:51:56.760 but I told the story.

00:51:58.040 And people just have to keep

00:51:59.200 telling that story

00:51:59.940 over and over and over.

00:52:01.040 They tried socialism.

00:52:02.060 It failed.

00:52:03.320 Then they tried giving people ownership

00:52:06.000 of their various plots of land.

00:52:08.660 And then they had an overabundance

00:52:11.360 of their harvest.

00:52:13.440 And so they gave thanks to God.

00:52:16.660 What a concept.

00:52:18.140 What an incredible concept.

00:52:19.960 But instead, now it's all like,

00:52:21.160 oh, the pilgrims were dying

00:52:22.160 and the Indians had to come

00:52:23.700 and they saved the pilgrims

00:52:25.860 because they were stupid Europeans,

00:52:27.240 didn't know anything.

00:52:28.280 Even though Squanto had actually

00:52:29.540 lived in Europe,

00:52:31.140 even...

00:52:31.700 He had been in London

00:52:32.940 more recently

00:52:34.540 than the pilgrims had.

00:52:35.880 It's how he spoke English so well,

00:52:36.960 but of course, you know,

00:52:38.040 facts are...

00:52:38.900 Blake, you were saying something.

00:52:40.380 Well, so first of all,

00:52:41.280 I was saying

00:52:41.680 we should make fun of Canada

00:52:42.900 for having their knockoff Thanksgiving.

00:52:45.340 That is just one month before ours.

00:52:47.460 I think we should always use

00:52:49.080 every opportunity to bully Canada

00:52:51.640 because it's fun.

00:52:54.120 And...

00:52:54.560 But also,

00:52:55.340 even like the full story of Thanksgiving

00:52:57.440 because evil liberals

00:52:59.580 always want to dunk on it.

00:53:00.900 Like, it's even more beautiful

00:53:01.940 than just the pilgrims doing it

00:53:03.380 when they settled here.

00:53:04.920 Like, the very first, like,

00:53:06.860 annual Thanksgiving national holiday,

00:53:09.380 fourth Thursday in November,

00:53:12.100 like, clockwork,

00:53:13.000 that was started by Abraham Lincoln

00:53:14.660 in 1863.

00:53:16.060 Yep.

00:53:16.280 Middle of the Civil War,

00:53:17.460 the peak of the Civil War.

00:53:19.080 I think that's probably

00:53:19.680 the bloodiest year of the Civil War.

00:53:22.060 And he says,

00:53:23.080 yes, like, in the middle of this,

00:53:24.420 we're going to have

00:53:25.280 a celebration of national Thanksgiving.

00:53:28.100 And, like,

00:53:28.540 that was what set it

00:53:29.800 as a national holiday.

00:53:31.040 George Washington declared

00:53:32.540 a day of Thanksgiving.

00:53:33.740 It's truly...

00:53:35.280 You know, it's a great thing

00:53:37.280 because it is possibly

00:53:39.080 the one great national tradition

00:53:41.780 that was created in America

00:53:43.960 that we have had

00:53:44.900 for the entire history of America.

00:53:47.460 That is just totally our own thing.

00:53:49.040 And then us being America,

00:53:50.460 we have exported it

00:53:51.220 to the rest of the world

00:53:52.040 in various ways.

00:53:54.780 Someone was very shocked to learn.

00:53:56.620 I was talking to a foreigner

00:53:58.000 who was like,

00:53:58.540 wasn't Black Friday this week?

00:54:00.180 No.

00:54:00.980 No, Black Friday is this week.

00:54:02.640 And it's kind of terrible.

00:54:03.840 Well, now we...

00:54:04.460 Yeah.

00:54:06.460 I used to be a Black Friday person,

00:54:08.280 but now I'm done.

00:54:09.940 It's awful.

00:54:11.020 It's just so awful.

00:54:12.540 And it's not even Black Friday anymore

00:54:14.020 because Black Friday...

00:54:15.840 There's, like...

00:54:16.260 Well, Charlie,

00:54:16.740 given everything that you just said

00:54:17.840 about the importance of Thanksgiving,

00:54:19.920 what do you think about the people

00:54:20.880 who leave Thanksgiving dinner early

00:54:22.900 to go and start shopping?

00:54:24.340 First of all, first of all,

00:54:25.380 I totally...

00:54:25.840 Sick.

00:54:26.660 When I grew up,

00:54:27.920 it was actually Black Friday.

00:54:29.600 Yeah.

00:54:29.840 Now it's, like,

00:54:30.760 Black Thursday evening.

00:54:32.220 Right.

00:54:32.700 And it's not like you start lining up.

00:54:34.460 Like, the sales actually begin.

00:54:36.420 It's actually interesting.

00:54:37.200 For younger listeners that don't know,

00:54:39.140 after so many people

00:54:40.300 got trampled in the Walmart raids

00:54:42.120 because people would line up,

00:54:44.260 they keep the stores open.

00:54:45.680 Right.

00:54:45.980 They don't close them and reopen them.

00:54:47.960 Because it used to be

00:54:48.540 the Walmart would close

00:54:49.760 and then you line up and you go.

00:54:51.340 And then all the deals

00:54:52.380 and the sales would be set

00:54:53.380 and then people would get trampled so much.

00:54:54.840 I think someone almost died

00:54:56.100 and they got hospitalized

00:54:56.800 and there were tons of lawsuits.

00:54:57.880 No, people did die.

00:54:58.220 This is the plot of that.

00:54:59.000 They did die.

00:54:59.400 This is the plot of that.

00:55:00.220 Did people die?

00:55:00.580 Is that right?

00:55:01.000 I didn't know that.

00:55:01.360 Yeah, people died.

00:55:02.020 That's terrible.

00:55:02.360 People got ran over.

00:55:03.520 That Thanksgiving...

00:55:04.600 No, I didn't know they died.

00:55:06.240 There's that Thanksgiving horror movie.

00:55:08.380 This is actually the plot

00:55:09.300 where people get killed

00:55:10.180 and then, like,

00:55:10.760 someone's getting revenge

00:55:11.680 on the people who started

00:55:12.620 the stampede.

00:55:14.660 So, I had no problem with,

00:55:17.480 like, you have a really,

00:55:18.420 really good Thanksgiving

00:55:19.100 and then you want to get

00:55:20.520 good deals on stuff.

00:55:22.000 And I think that was fine.

00:55:23.000 It was, like,

00:55:23.280 a good kickoff

00:55:23.920 to the Christmas season.

00:55:25.300 But, and it used to be,

00:55:27.300 when I grew up,

00:55:28.500 there was a grittiness

00:55:29.660 to Black Friday.

00:55:31.240 There was, like,

00:55:31.760 it took real spirit.

00:55:34.040 So, you have to understand,

00:55:35.200 like, I grew up in Chicago.

00:55:37.400 It would always be, like,

00:55:38.180 sub-20 degrees.

00:55:39.700 And if you wanted

00:55:40.800 to get a Black Friday deal,

00:55:41.960 you had to earn it.

00:55:42.960 So, you had to, like,

00:55:43.600 leave with your family

00:55:44.480 at, like, 10 p.m.

00:55:45.520 after all that turkey's full

00:55:46.920 and you, like,

00:55:47.720 stood in line at Target

00:55:48.760 from the open their doors

00:55:49.760 at 12.01.

00:55:50.720 Yeah.

00:55:50.940 Right?

00:55:51.440 And you would, like,

00:55:52.060 shop all night

00:55:53.060 and you would, like,

00:55:55.060 get 7-Eleven coffee

00:55:57.220 and get home by, like,

00:55:58.140 5 a.m.

00:55:58.700 and you felt like,

00:55:59.380 I earned this deal.

00:56:01.100 And it was, like,

00:56:01.560 it was, like,

00:56:01.880 a sense of accomplishment.

00:56:03.160 And, you know what I mean?

00:56:03.920 And you had to have,

00:56:05.560 there was, like,

00:56:05.960 a limit to what you could get to.

00:56:07.480 Of course, no.

00:56:08.300 And it was very narrow.

00:56:09.760 And also,

00:56:10.340 one specific thing.

00:56:11.420 We would go through catalogs

00:56:13.020 and go through what was on sale.

00:56:14.820 Yep.

00:56:15.080 This was all before internet.

00:56:16.740 I'm going to throw to Blake

00:56:17.340 in a second.

00:56:18.220 But there was...

00:56:19.020 The internet ruined it.

00:56:19.760 There was a...

00:56:20.320 Also, there was a divide

00:56:21.640 and conquer strategy

00:56:22.620 of what stores

00:56:23.600 are we going to hit?

00:56:24.400 Are we going to go to Best Buy?

00:56:25.600 Are we going to go to Home Depot?

00:56:27.380 Because, like,

00:56:27.800 and you're shopping

00:56:28.420 for other people.

00:56:29.760 And there was, like,

00:56:30.160 a real, like,

00:56:31.040 conquest, like,

00:56:32.180 chess game.

00:56:32.980 Oh, yeah.

00:56:33.220 Where it's like,

00:56:33.600 oh, wow,

00:56:34.380 Best Buy opens at 11.30

00:56:35.940 and Walmart's at midnight.

00:56:38.000 My strategy would always be,

00:56:39.600 like, I would find

00:56:40.200 the one store

00:56:41.020 that was, like,

00:56:41.680 within a 45-minute drive.

00:56:43.380 Yes.

00:56:43.540 But in, like,

00:56:43.960 a non-populated area.

00:56:46.300 And it was so much fun.

00:56:47.220 That people didn't think about.

00:56:48.580 Or, like, a Staples

00:56:49.440 because nobody thinks

00:56:50.220 that Staples would have stuff.

00:56:51.400 But they do have computers

00:56:52.340 and different, you know,

00:56:53.660 hide items.

00:56:54.960 So, like,

00:56:55.320 what's the thing

00:56:56.260 that people aren't

00:56:56.980 going to think about?

00:56:57.700 And that's where I'm going to go.

00:56:58.420 And now you just wait

00:56:59.160 for Cyber Monday

00:56:59.920 and click a couple buttons.

00:57:01.060 And so,

00:57:01.620 all the adventure of it,

00:57:03.240 and you don't earn it anymore.

00:57:04.720 It used to be

00:57:05.220 you'd get home

00:57:05.760 at 3.30 in the morning

00:57:06.640 and you're like,

00:57:07.140 I got a good deal

00:57:08.260 on a big screen TV.

00:57:09.220 It was a teenage rite of passage

00:57:11.900 in suburban Chicago.

00:57:13.060 Blake, your thoughts?

00:57:14.440 Yeah, it was really,

00:57:15.800 I can still think of,

00:57:17.200 like, individual things

00:57:18.100 I went out of my way

00:57:19.060 to get on Black Friday.

00:57:20.560 I think I still have

00:57:21.780 a PlayStation 3

00:57:23.020 that I got in 2011.

00:57:24.860 I think I can remember

00:57:25.520 the exact deal.

00:57:26.260 It was a PS Slim,

00:57:27.440 $250.

00:57:28.600 It came with

00:57:29.180 Little Big Planet

00:57:30.300 and, like,

00:57:30.780 some crummy Ratchet

00:57:31.780 and Clank game.

00:57:32.340 Who cares?

00:57:33.020 But, like,

00:57:33.640 that was the best deal

00:57:34.580 you could get

00:57:35.160 for, I think,

00:57:36.340 like, two years

00:57:37.060 after that point.

00:57:38.160 But what ended up

00:57:39.000 killing it was,

00:57:40.500 as you said,

00:57:41.100 you know,

00:57:41.300 you'd go for the time

00:57:42.600 and it used to be,

00:57:43.160 okay,

00:57:43.300 it was on Black Friday

00:57:44.240 normal hours.

00:57:45.100 Then they would open it

00:57:46.220 at, like,

00:57:46.960 6 a.m. in the morning

00:57:48.160 and people would show up before.

00:57:49.300 Then someone got ahead

00:57:50.180 and made it,

00:57:50.980 oh, let's open

00:57:51.600 exactly at midnight.

00:57:52.820 And then what finally

00:57:53.740 killed it,

00:57:54.800 I think,

00:57:55.620 the rise of the internet

00:57:56.640 was a factor.

00:57:57.360 But another thing

00:57:57.880 that killed it was

00:57:58.700 companies decided

00:58:00.120 to get so green

00:58:00.720 and they just said,

00:58:01.440 we're doing Black Friday

00:58:02.440 on Thanksgiving.

00:58:03.880 And they would just

00:58:04.660 be open on Thanksgiving

00:58:05.720 with those deals.

00:58:06.940 And I think,

00:58:08.020 to America's credit,

00:58:09.040 there was popular

00:58:09.880 backlash to this

00:58:11.060 where they're saying,

00:58:12.140 wait,

00:58:12.400 you're forcing

00:58:12.960 employees

00:58:13.960 to skip Thanksgiving

00:58:15.780 to come in

00:58:17.100 and work

00:58:17.760 on Thanksgiving.

00:58:19.560 Though,

00:58:20.160 I must hedge,

00:58:21.180 I have to be

00:58:21.780 personally grateful

00:58:22.900 for the fact

00:58:24.080 that stores are open

00:58:25.620 on Thanksgiving,

00:58:26.380 some of them,

00:58:27.280 because I visited

00:58:28.400 a friend,

00:58:29.380 this is about

00:58:29.760 10 years ago,

00:58:30.660 I went down

00:58:31.180 to a friend

00:58:31.600 in Tennessee

00:58:32.160 for Thanksgiving

00:58:33.440 and I took

00:58:34.820 a megabus down,

00:58:36.800 you know,

00:58:37.560 poor,

00:58:37.780 we have to travel

00:58:38.180 by bus,

00:58:39.000 and I took

00:58:39.380 a megabus down

00:58:40.180 and I had a bag

00:58:42.320 under it

00:58:42.820 and I had to get off

00:58:43.840 in Chattanooga,

00:58:44.740 which was the final

00:58:45.440 destination was Atlanta.

00:58:47.040 And they get out

00:58:47.940 and they're like,

00:58:48.280 okay,

00:58:48.480 where's your bag?

00:58:48.880 I'm like,

00:58:49.080 oh,

00:58:49.220 it's under the thing

00:58:49.860 and they open it

00:58:50.500 and they feel around

00:58:51.620 and they're like,

00:58:51.980 ah,

00:58:52.400 yeah,

00:58:52.680 we can't find it,

00:58:53.440 we have a schedule

00:58:54.060 to do,

00:58:54.820 we have to go.

00:58:55.880 And they just drove away

00:58:57.240 with my bag,

00:58:58.900 with all of my changes

00:59:00.000 of clothes

00:59:00.640 and I arrived

00:59:01.740 late Wednesday night,

00:59:03.260 so I had to go

00:59:04.580 to a Walmart,

00:59:05.680 which thanks to

00:59:06.380 American capitalism

00:59:07.560 was open on Thanksgiving

00:59:09.320 and I had to buy

00:59:10.280 an entire set of clothes

00:59:11.820 for the whole weekend.

00:59:12.960 So I had that perspective.

00:59:14.360 I actually,

00:59:14.960 one of my

00:59:15.320 first jobs

00:59:16.080 was in high school.

00:59:17.680 I took the

00:59:18.980 seasonal job

00:59:20.940 at Target

00:59:21.460 and my first day,

00:59:23.480 like first real day

00:59:24.280 was Thanksgiving

00:59:25.220 or Black Friday.

00:59:27.180 So I had to wake up

00:59:28.480 after Thanksgiving

00:59:29.340 when I was like

00:59:31.100 a sophomore

00:59:32.020 in high school

00:59:33.040 at like literally

00:59:34.120 4 a.m.

00:59:34.980 I had to be at Target

00:59:36.060 at 4.30,

00:59:37.780 help stock everything.

00:59:38.860 This was still

00:59:39.320 the days

00:59:39.940 that they still

00:59:41.100 open the doors

00:59:41.680 like Charlie

00:59:42.060 was talking about

00:59:42.780 before they just

00:59:43.780 like leave it open

00:59:44.540 or open like super early

00:59:45.940 and there would be like,

00:59:47.300 I get there

00:59:47.780 at like 4 o'clock

00:59:48.700 and there would be

00:59:49.900 a line wrapped

00:59:50.720 around the building

00:59:51.280 of people waiting

00:59:51.820 to get in

00:59:52.280 and we had to

00:59:53.360 stock everything.

00:59:53.920 So here's a crazy story.

00:59:56.160 So you guys,

00:59:58.060 there's a myth

00:59:59.240 that Black Friday

01:00:01.280 is the day

01:00:02.140 after Thanksgiving

01:00:03.640 and you know

01:00:04.300 why that's a myth?

01:00:06.680 Because the real truth is

01:00:08.640 the real truth

01:00:10.440 is that Thanksgiving

01:00:11.680 is the day

01:00:13.120 before Black Friday

01:00:14.360 and that is because

01:00:16.020 let me finish the story.

01:00:17.860 This is because

01:00:18.660 I am not making it up.

01:00:20.080 The current date

01:00:20.940 of Thanksgiving

01:00:21.660 is because of like

01:00:23.480 an evil plot

01:00:25.180 by FDR.

01:00:27.040 No,

01:00:27.180 I'm not making this up.

01:00:28.200 So Lincoln's proclamation

01:00:29.800 of Thanksgiving

01:00:30.440 is Thanksgiving

01:00:31.440 is on the last Thursday

01:00:32.900 of the month.

01:00:33.620 Yes,

01:00:33.940 it is on the last Thursday.

01:00:35.120 Right.

01:00:35.760 It is not on the last Thursday.

01:00:37.360 It is currently on

01:00:38.780 the fourth Thursday

01:00:39.980 of the month.

01:00:41.060 That is what

01:00:41.340 the federal law is.

01:00:42.760 So there are sometimes

01:00:43.220 five...

01:00:43.940 Which requires a Friday.

01:00:45.160 So there are sometimes

01:00:46.540 five Thursdays

01:00:48.460 in November

01:00:49.280 and then it would be

01:00:50.040 on the fourth.

01:00:50.400 It used to be on the fifth

01:00:51.420 and then during

01:00:52.400 the Great Depression,

01:00:53.400 I believe in 1939,

01:00:55.320 FDR got in his head

01:00:57.560 if there's a longer,

01:00:59.700 like if there's a longer time

01:01:01.240 between Thanksgiving

01:01:01.980 and Christmas,

01:01:03.120 there will be a longer

01:01:03.960 Christmas shopping season

01:01:05.440 and so people will shop

01:01:07.040 more and this will

01:01:08.200 stimulate the economy

01:01:09.660 and so he intervened

01:01:12.380 and he moved Thanksgiving

01:01:13.680 to be a week earlier

01:01:15.000 and this became

01:01:16.640 a partisan political issue

01:01:18.180 and so for a few years,

01:01:20.680 Republican states said,

01:01:22.920 we're not doing this

01:01:23.800 and we're refusing

01:01:24.560 to go along with it.

01:01:25.420 So you had

01:01:25.940 a Democrat Thanksgiving

01:01:27.600 on the fourth Thursday

01:01:29.380 and you had

01:01:29.760 a Republican Thanksgiving

01:01:30.980 on the fifth one

01:01:32.540 and I think Texas,

01:01:34.640 because they were

01:01:35.260 a Democrat state

01:01:36.320 but had a lot of

01:01:36.920 like conservative Democrats

01:01:37.960 who didn't like FDR,

01:01:39.400 they called the truce

01:01:40.500 and they just had,

01:01:41.180 they said,

01:01:41.600 they're both holidays

01:01:42.680 and they had two

01:01:43.320 Thanksgivings

01:01:44.060 and then sadly,

01:01:46.840 Congress submitted

01:01:47.740 and now it's just

01:01:49.040 on the fourth Thursday

01:01:49.920 and we lost

01:01:51.220 that culture war battle.

01:01:52.380 Well, what you were saying

01:01:53.140 though,

01:01:53.700 what you were saying

01:01:54.300 though,

01:01:54.960 there's a deeper

01:01:55.760 and producer Fazz

01:01:57.380 talks about this

01:01:57.960 all the time.

01:01:58.480 His birthday was this week

01:01:59.320 by the way,

01:01:59.760 shout out.

01:02:00.640 He calls it

01:02:01.460 micro wins,

01:02:02.520 micro W's

01:02:03.400 and how,

01:02:04.360 so Charlie,

01:02:04.860 you'd appreciate this

01:02:05.860 is that like

01:02:06.640 in your teenage years

01:02:09.280 and working retail,

01:02:10.760 you know,

01:02:11.080 used to be part of this too

01:02:11.840 but in your teenage years,

01:02:12.800 there used to be

01:02:13.240 a variety of things

01:02:14.080 that you would do

01:02:14.640 as a rite of passage

01:02:15.960 that have all been

01:02:17.460 pretty much completely destroyed

01:02:18.980 because of new technology.

01:02:20.920 One of those,

01:02:21.800 of course,

01:02:22.120 was waiting in line

01:02:23.020 like this.

01:02:23.740 Another one of those,

01:02:24.680 you know,

01:02:24.920 having those retail jobs

01:02:25.980 again with no phone

01:02:26.960 to like just,

01:02:28.340 you know,

01:02:28.600 constantly be there

01:02:29.520 getting you through it,

01:02:30.400 monotony going through it.

01:02:32.540 One of the other ones,

01:02:33.600 we,

01:02:34.000 I don't know how I got into this

01:02:35.220 the other day on Twitter

01:02:35.980 was like,

01:02:36.440 it's not even Thanksgiving related

01:02:37.340 but it was like

01:02:37.980 when you used to have to

01:02:39.200 call someone's house

01:02:40.180 and if you wanted to,

01:02:41.640 if you wanted to call a girl,

01:02:43.620 you had to call her house

01:02:44.760 and you had to get through

01:02:45.940 mom or potentially dad

01:02:48.620 and so it's like

01:02:50.000 the elimination

01:02:50.540 of all those things

01:02:52.960 in society

01:02:54.200 has now created men

01:02:56.120 or adults

01:02:57.160 who don't actually go through

01:02:59.200 any meaningful rite of passage.

01:03:01.440 No, I mean,

01:03:01.700 I totally agree with that.

01:03:02.800 I mean,

01:03:03.000 some of these other

01:03:03.760 rites of passage

01:03:04.800 were like elementary things

01:03:06.720 such as

01:03:07.280 be home before dark.

01:03:09.040 Like that was like

01:03:09.980 a very simple thing, right?

01:03:12.900 I mean,

01:03:13.520 other rites of passage

01:03:14.320 were that

01:03:14.840 you need to memorize,

01:03:16.720 like you say,

01:03:17.260 the home phone numbers

01:03:18.180 of at least five people

01:03:19.300 that you know.

01:03:19.620 Yeah, memorizing phone numbers.

01:03:20.780 Right?

01:03:21.200 I don't think anybody

01:03:21.960 does that anymore.

01:03:22.580 Like anybody.

01:03:23.240 I know Tonya's.

01:03:24.500 I know my parents.

01:03:26.360 I know all the phone numbers

01:03:27.280 from when I grew up.

01:03:28.560 I know a bunch

01:03:29.020 from when I grew up, yeah.

01:03:29.800 Like I know a bunch

01:03:30.340 of my buddies,

01:03:30.960 but like my brother

01:03:32.680 got a cell phone later.

01:03:33.800 I don't know.

01:03:34.100 I also think

01:03:34.640 it was really important

01:03:35.800 that when I used

01:03:37.820 to call somebody's house,

01:03:39.200 I had to speak to an adult.

01:03:40.420 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:41.120 I think that was

01:03:42.000 a very profound.

01:03:43.120 Think about that.

01:03:43.920 Think about that.

01:03:44.220 I think it's a very

01:03:44.980 underappreciated,

01:03:46.520 there was no texting.

01:03:47.380 It didn't exist.

01:03:48.060 No.

01:03:48.580 When I was in sixth grade,

01:03:50.600 AOL Instant Messenger

01:03:51.660 was just starting.

01:03:52.980 Okay.

01:03:53.420 And that was a thing.

01:03:54.440 But it had to be

01:03:55.840 on a like publicly available

01:03:57.300 computer in my house.

01:03:59.080 And it wasn't like

01:03:59.880 you couldn't like

01:04:00.320 bring it with you

01:04:00.940 at all times.

01:04:01.580 It was like,

01:04:02.180 there was like a very,

01:04:03.520 you know, like.

01:04:04.200 So it was just like

01:04:05.140 logging on and logging off

01:04:06.580 was a thing.

01:04:07.240 Oh, it was totally a thing.

01:04:08.240 They had the away message.

01:04:09.180 You had the away message.

01:04:10.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:10.860 And like you would come home

01:04:12.000 to see if you got any messages.

01:04:14.200 And I actually,

01:04:15.320 again, I don't even know

01:04:16.100 if that was a healthier version

01:04:17.440 of this crap

01:04:18.040 that we have right now.

01:04:19.100 Much healthier.

01:04:19.800 And so I loved AOL Instant Messenger

01:04:21.980 for the record.

01:04:22.500 I thought it was really fun.

01:04:23.600 Oh, yeah.

01:04:23.920 And it was actually

01:04:24.800 a really, really good service.

01:04:26.400 It was really, I mean.

01:04:27.980 I really liked it.

01:04:28.820 And it was a precursor

01:04:29.920 to a lot of them.

01:04:30.480 A lot of our social norms.

01:04:30.940 A lot of our social norms

01:04:32.120 on texting

01:04:32.660 came from AOL Instant Messenger.

01:04:34.540 Oh, yeah.

01:04:34.980 That's right.

01:04:36.740 LOL comes from that.

01:04:38.300 LOL, BRB.

01:04:39.260 LOL.

01:04:40.000 TTYL.

01:04:40.740 LOL absolutely comes

01:04:42.280 from AOL Instant Messenger.

01:04:44.080 AOL still exists, by the way.

01:04:45.700 There are still millions

01:04:46.580 of people getting dialed up.

01:04:48.040 They shut down Instant Messenger.

01:04:49.420 Instant Messenger's been dead.

01:04:50.660 Not only is Instant Messenger

01:04:51.600 dead.

01:04:51.660 Is that right?

01:04:52.160 It's been dead

01:04:52.520 for like seven years.

01:04:53.580 AIM is done?

01:04:54.320 AIM is gone.

01:04:54.920 AIM is dead.

01:04:56.160 Charlie, it's even older than that

01:04:57.640 because I was on Instant Messenger

01:04:59.600 because Jack and I

01:05:01.400 are a little bit older than you.

01:05:02.460 I was on Instant Messenger.

01:05:03.440 No, but I'm saying

01:05:04.020 it was big in my community.

01:05:04.740 I would just like to know

01:05:05.380 it started to grow.

01:05:06.300 Tyler is way older than Charlie

01:05:08.560 and he's way older than me.

01:05:08.920 Way older.

01:05:09.300 So, Jack's older than me.

01:05:11.840 Yeah.

01:05:12.580 Tyler actually is the first.

01:05:14.420 That's right.

01:05:14.900 That brings back like...

01:05:15.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:16.580 Oh, that's so cute.

01:05:17.240 Yeah.

01:05:17.640 I loved AOL Instant Messenger.

01:05:18.720 Yeah, AOL Instant Messenger.

01:05:19.840 On my wedding invite.

01:05:21.100 It was Yahoo, MSN.

01:05:22.120 Here's another...

01:05:22.860 Here's another rite of passage.

01:05:24.540 Okay.

01:05:26.680 Playing a video game so much

01:05:28.120 that it overheats.

01:05:29.960 Oh, yeah.

01:05:31.180 Yeah.

01:05:31.820 What was overheating?

01:05:32.540 That's like a real thing.

01:05:33.600 Or playing a game...

01:05:34.900 Oh, no.

01:05:35.240 Jack knows what I'm talking about.

01:05:36.140 I know exactly what you're talking about.

01:05:36.800 Yeah.

01:05:36.980 Especially computer games, though.

01:05:38.440 Oh, yeah.

01:05:38.540 No, no, no, no.

01:05:38.960 If you play for too long

01:05:40.300 and your computer wasn't that sophisticated or good...

01:05:42.420 Your computer would...

01:05:43.000 The whole hard drive would start to overheat, right?

01:05:45.860 That's a real thing.

01:05:46.440 100%.

01:05:46.880 Or how about another one?

01:05:49.480 Playing on either Age of Empires or Sims

01:05:52.040 or whatever it was

01:05:53.220 and it malfunctioning

01:05:55.720 before you save

01:05:56.760 or you can log your progress.

01:05:59.320 Right?

01:05:59.880 Mom unplugging the Nintendo before...

01:06:03.380 Well, when you were on level 8 of Mario

01:06:05.780 and there was no way to save.

01:06:07.880 No way at all, boys and girls.

01:06:10.220 Mom telling you to pause the game

01:06:11.700 when it's actually online

01:06:13.120 and you're playing against other people.

01:06:15.060 Yeah.

01:06:16.060 I had numerous times

01:06:17.660 defeating a level of Super Mario

01:06:21.060 and then forgetting to save it

01:06:23.740 and you shut it off

01:06:24.680 and you go back.

01:06:25.500 You're like,

01:06:25.980 Oh, that's shameful.

01:06:27.920 It's just so funny.

01:06:28.520 The things we worried about back then

01:06:29.660 were just so insignificant.

01:06:31.120 I miss...

01:06:31.500 I'll say this.

01:06:32.460 I don't know if any of you guys remember this one.

01:06:34.020 I miss New Music Tuesdays.

01:06:36.080 Does anyone else remember New Music Tuesdays?

01:06:37.640 So that was when...

01:06:38.440 Yeah, albums would release on Tuesdays, right?

01:06:40.560 I think games still released on Tuesdays a lot.

01:06:42.800 They did at least when I was a kid, I think.

01:06:44.240 Oh, thank God.

01:06:44.420 There's something.

01:06:45.720 Yeah, so an album,

01:06:46.540 which was a thing.

01:06:47.720 A group of music

01:06:48.740 and it was always Tuesdays

01:06:50.700 that would come out.

01:06:51.300 So you used to have

01:06:51.800 like these mini Black Friday type things

01:06:53.480 where you'd go on...

01:06:55.100 I guess people still kind of do it for games

01:06:56.460 where you would come out

01:06:57.260 for, you know, new music

01:06:58.880 or, you know, a new album was dropping.

01:07:00.600 So back when music actually was like good.

01:07:04.260 And that being said,

01:07:05.160 I did see Creed again this week.

01:07:07.180 So I'm trying to think of other rites of passage.

01:07:10.120 Oh, yeah.

01:07:10.620 Knowing the dial-up sound

01:07:11.900 is definitely a rite of passage.

01:07:13.480 Like not having super fast internet all the time.

01:07:17.180 It's definitely...

01:07:18.000 Just having to sit.

01:07:18.800 Remember waiting for websites to load?

01:07:20.900 Do you remember asking friends for rides?

01:07:23.980 Oh!

01:07:24.820 Uber existed.

01:07:25.460 Wait, wait, Charlie.

01:07:26.300 What about asking directions

01:07:27.780 and having to know directions?

01:07:29.720 I'm still really good at directions.

01:07:31.420 Partially because you had to know

01:07:32.820 where you were going.

01:07:33.520 Like this was before GPS.

01:07:34.920 How about this?

01:07:35.300 How about no one?

01:07:35.960 Printing out MapQuest directions.

01:07:37.780 Printing it out.

01:07:38.340 Well, see, I used to...

01:07:38.920 Was that not the best?

01:07:39.860 I used to be cheap,

01:07:40.640 so I would just write it down.

01:07:42.380 Charlie, were you around...

01:07:43.260 That was a big MapQuest guy.

01:07:44.260 Charlie, were you...

01:07:44.840 I would go to MapQuest

01:07:46.140 and then I would write down the directions

01:07:47.600 and then I'd just like

01:07:48.620 bring my little note card with me.

01:07:50.120 What were you saying, Blake?

01:07:51.060 Charlie, you might be too young.

01:07:52.360 I once had a journey

01:07:54.360 where my parents made me actually

01:07:56.160 narrate the turns to make

01:07:58.880 on an actual physical map

01:08:01.080 that we had purchased

01:08:02.240 like with, you know,

01:08:03.340 the highways of America.

01:08:04.420 Oh, yeah, no, no.

01:08:04.860 All the time.

01:08:05.740 100%, yes.

01:08:07.120 I remember I was living in New Jersey

01:08:09.060 for two years when I was in junior high

01:08:10.480 and my mom printed them out on MapQuest

01:08:13.300 and was going somewhere

01:08:14.040 for my brother's football game

01:08:15.340 and got so lost and turned around

01:08:18.920 she like pulled over

01:08:19.940 in a gas station crying

01:08:21.780 because she didn't know where to go

01:08:23.640 or how to go anywhere.

01:08:25.040 She was like completely lost

01:08:26.480 like in any place.

01:08:28.320 I had no idea.

01:08:29.460 It makes you think like actually

01:08:30.940 sorry, mom, for sharing that.

01:08:32.020 Is it a good thing or a bad thing

01:08:33.140 we have the GPS?

01:08:34.040 I mean, in some ways

01:08:34.820 like we're probably more efficient.

01:08:36.980 When China comes after us,

01:08:38.580 that's the first thing

01:08:39.300 they're going for.

01:08:40.080 Oh, yeah.

01:08:40.500 Number one.

01:08:41.280 Day one.

01:08:42.240 It's that one

01:08:43.060 and like all of our online banking.

01:08:45.420 It's crazy how it used to be.

01:08:47.020 I don't know if you still

01:08:48.160 have to do this

01:08:49.080 but I know in London

01:08:50.940 in the UK

01:08:51.560 to become a cab driver

01:08:53.660 you used to have to

01:08:54.600 maybe you still do

01:08:55.720 but you had to pass this test

01:08:57.180 called the knowledge

01:08:58.500 and it was basically

01:08:59.880 you had to memorize

01:09:01.240 the location of like

01:09:03.140 27,000 different things

01:09:05.480 in London

01:09:06.540 and like people would like

01:09:07.520 lose their minds

01:09:08.600 attempting to pass this thing

01:09:10.120 and obviously

01:09:11.000 if it's still around

01:09:12.120 it's obviously just a gate

01:09:13.400 it's more difficult

01:09:15.280 to become a cab driver

01:09:16.220 in London

01:09:16.560 than pass the bar.

01:09:18.740 I feel like Uber

01:09:19.760 could use a little bit of that.

01:09:21.180 They've done brain scans

01:09:22.100 of cab drivers

01:09:23.340 that have mastered

01:09:24.500 the knowledge

01:09:25.200 and their hippoclamus

01:09:26.580 which is the actual part

01:09:27.800 of memory

01:09:28.240 is bigger in their brain

01:09:29.740 than the average person

01:09:31.020 and so in order

01:09:32.580 for that to be true

01:09:33.700 in order

01:09:34.640 and this is actually

01:09:35.380 So that's self-selecting then?

01:09:36.860 No, no, no.

01:09:37.260 In order for that to be true

01:09:38.280 the one of two things are true

01:09:39.260 either that these are people

01:09:40.520 with disproportionately

01:09:41.840 big hippoclampuses

01:09:43.160 that are coming

01:09:45.180 into the taxi business

01:09:46.080 or your brain can change

01:09:47.620 which is

01:09:48.420 all three of you guys

01:09:49.420 have giant hippoclamuses

01:09:51.300 No, but

01:09:52.520 sorry

01:09:54.080 hippocampus

01:09:55.920 thank you

01:09:56.340 It's the thing

01:09:57.380 that was indelible

01:09:58.380 in Blasey Ford's brain

01:10:00.960 remember?

01:10:02.160 Indelible in the hippocampus

01:10:03.540 However

01:10:03.840 It is indelible

01:10:05.180 in my hippocampus

01:10:06.320 It was the most

01:10:07.040 profound development

01:10:08.420 of neuroscience

01:10:09.200 in the last 20 years

01:10:10.500 discovery

01:10:10.920 to show that

01:10:11.900 your brain

01:10:12.400 raw material

01:10:13.180 can change

01:10:13.880 based on your environment

01:10:15.140 and your circumstances

01:10:15.940 Potentially

01:10:16.460 There is no other explanation

01:10:18.700 There's no way

01:10:19.340 that people that

01:10:20.000 have disproportionately

01:10:21.100 active parts

01:10:22.240 of the hippocampus

01:10:23.020 all just want to become

01:10:23.740 taxi drivers

01:10:24.420 Right

01:10:24.720 It's just that

01:10:25.320 this is not a thing

01:10:25.960 Well, no, no

01:10:26.300 The idea would be then

01:10:27.680 that those are the only ones

01:10:28.720 who can pass the test

01:10:29.500 No

01:10:30.600 Again, it's just

01:10:31.640 it defies logic

01:10:32.840 because you're in the

01:10:33.840 sub-one set

01:10:35.040 of the standard deviation

01:10:36.700 Right

01:10:37.040 These people

01:10:38.020 just happen to all

01:10:39.340 want to become cab drivers

01:10:40.380 No

01:10:40.700 No way

01:10:41.220 Meaning that your brain

01:10:42.440 can actually become

01:10:43.180 better at a certain task

01:10:44.340 when applied

01:10:45.060 So it's like a muscle

01:10:45.960 Yeah, actually

01:10:46.640 let me find the study

01:10:47.500 It's super interesting

01:10:48.320 So the more you work

01:10:48.940 It was in Sean Astor's book

01:10:50.540 called

01:10:51.080 The Happiness Advantage

01:10:53.380 Let me see here

01:10:54.200 So the idea being then

01:10:55.860 the more you

01:10:56.680 yeah, the more you work it out

01:10:58.420 the same way

01:10:59.000 like when you go to the gym

01:10:59.980 and you're like

01:11:00.380 I'm going to focus on

01:11:01.580 whatever muscle

01:11:02.640 This is it right here

01:11:03.520 A taxi driver's knowledge

01:11:05.200 is often linked

01:11:05.980 to an enlarged hippocampus

01:11:07.280 blah, blah, blah

01:11:07.820 Key points

01:11:08.840 and the study here

01:11:09.920 shows about brain plasticity

01:11:11.280 This phenomenon demonstrates

01:11:12.320 the brain's ability

01:11:12.920 to adapt and change

01:11:13.660 based on the experience

01:11:14.580 where the hippocampus

01:11:15.700 can grow in response

01:11:16.520 to intensive spatial learning

01:11:17.720 So let's put this

01:11:19.000 on the flip side then

01:11:19.820 The fact that we're

01:11:20.820 all using GPS now

01:11:22.400 It makes us dumb

01:11:22.960 Is literally

01:11:24.240 and apparently physically

01:11:25.720 Unless you do what I do

01:11:26.620 which is you try to

01:11:27.480 you try to anticipate

01:11:28.460 where the GPS

01:11:28.880 is taking you before

01:11:29.700 Because the GPS

01:11:31.380 is like AI

01:11:31.920 It could be an enhancement

01:11:32.780 to you

01:11:33.140 or it could just make you

01:11:33.980 totally check out

01:11:34.900 Well, it's sometimes wrong

01:11:36.020 Well, the GPS

01:11:36.940 is wrong all the time

01:11:37.520 Yeah, all the time

01:11:38.220 All the time

01:11:38.820 when Mikey's driving

01:11:39.480 I'm like

01:11:39.720 why is it taking us

01:11:40.460 this way, not that way

01:11:41.220 Yeah

01:11:41.540 That's a good sign

01:11:42.140 If you are fact-checking

01:11:43.040 your GPS

01:11:43.480 you are getting actually

01:11:44.960 I did this

01:11:45.600 when we were driving

01:11:46.600 around Pennsylvania

01:11:47.300 with my brother

01:11:48.040 during the election

01:11:49.040 and we were

01:11:49.540 we were driving

01:11:50.540 from Penn State

01:11:51.680 to Philadelphia

01:11:52.580 and at one point

01:11:54.000 it wanted us

01:11:54.640 to go on this road

01:11:55.380 which would take us

01:11:55.920 to Baltimore

01:11:56.420 and I was like

01:11:57.340 why are we driving

01:11:58.980 to Baltimore?

01:11:59.860 It's 83 South

01:12:00.680 We need 76 East

01:12:02.600 because we need

01:12:03.240 to go to Philadelphia

01:12:04.100 because we're going

01:12:04.660 to the Eagles game

01:12:05.400 and now it eventually

01:12:07.660 like picked up

01:12:08.760 but I remember

01:12:09.560 sitting there

01:12:10.000 looking at it

01:12:10.820 and it was just

01:12:12.100 it was just clearly wrong

01:12:13.020 It was clearly wrong

01:12:13.880 I put it in the chat

01:12:14.620 Scientific American

01:12:15.420 Okay, I got to dash

01:12:16.240 you guys keep talking

01:12:17.180 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody

01:12:19.280 and you guys

01:12:20.980 hold down the fort

01:12:21.460 Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie

01:12:22.720 Have a great Thanksgiving, Charlie

01:12:24.620 Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie

01:12:25.360 Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie

01:12:26.360 Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie

01:12:28.140 Thank you

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 26, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 107 — A Thoughtcrime Thanksgiving

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