Jack and Jack are joined by Dr. Charles Cornish Dale (The Raw Egg Nationalist) to discuss the decline in testosterone and its implications for society, politics, and culture. They also discuss the rise of left-wingism and the possible link between testosterone decline and political polarization.
00:01:35.240It's absolutely a pleasure and a privilege to be here, Jack.
00:01:38.760So I wanted to get, let's get into this because your new book is actually going to be our first thought crime.
00:01:45.820Tell us about your new book and what is the thesis?
00:01:48.360So I've got a new book just come out with Sky Horse called The Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity.
00:01:55.840And it's about testosterone. So it's a it's a follow on from the Tucker Carlson documentary that I was in in 2022.
00:02:03.800So I was in a documentary called The End of Men about testosterone decline, about the civilizational decline in testosterone that we're seeing.
00:02:12.980and its uh implications for men and also these the broader implications actually for uh politics
00:02:20.100uh for the political system you know what happens when you have a society that's full of men who
00:02:27.340have basically been been drained of their masculine essence so castrated castrated so what you're
00:02:33.520saying is it's it's sort of like a reverse of what so many people think is going on in society
00:02:38.960see we think that liberal so some people say well liberalism is on the rise and that's why
00:02:43.860you're seeing these new diets veganism etc you're saying it's the opposite it's that it's those
00:02:49.280diets and those uh not just diets but but yeah chemical it's kind of maha actually but it's like
00:02:55.220the synthesis of maha and maga really like trumpism yeah well i i think i think for too long people
00:03:02.020have have considered before maha in particular people have have kind of failed to consider the
00:03:08.080political implications of ill health and they've really failed to consider the
00:03:12.480political implications of testosterone decline. So testosterone, various different
00:03:16.840you know like gold standard studies have showed that actually testosterone is
00:03:20.140declining in the US and actually throughout the rest of the Western
00:03:23.400world at a rate of something like 1% a year, year on year. Now that might not
00:03:27.340sound like very much but that's a quarter in 25 years, it's 50% in half a
00:03:32.180century um and yes i mean i mean broadly speaking i think that a lot of a lot of these uh trends
00:03:40.320that we're seeing uh today are actually downstream of this biological this profound biological
00:03:47.660change that's happening to men and has been happening for decades uh you know among other
00:03:52.780things you could you could talk about the the rise of leftism you could talk about political
00:03:57.660polarization. That's something I talk about in the book, you know, actually, as men lose their
00:04:03.980testosterone, I think they're more likely to become leftists. They're more likely to become
00:04:08.240leftists. So, so Blake, what you you've obviously you've heard about this. What what is your sense
00:04:15.440of this? Is this something that actually bears out? Well, it's funny, because I'm of two minds,
00:04:20.440it does seem obviously we have. If you if you were to just look at society wide, I feel like
00:04:26.580we might have reached peak soy boy or something actually in the past like it felt like 10 years
00:04:32.020ago there was that hipster hipster aesthetic the redditor aesthetic that peak now when i think about
00:04:40.120when i think about young people i always think about the like the the lifting cult guys and it's
00:04:47.120funny because it feels like so omnipresent that you'd assume it's all over the place but like 50
00:04:53.900years ago, nobody was going out and lifting weights three times a week to be strong. Nobody
00:04:59.740was doing a lot of this really ambitious fitness stuff, but it does seem like testosterone was
00:05:04.580higher. Uh, I guess since we have the eggster here, uh, first of all, I guess a lot of people
00:05:09.920are going to ask why raw eggs specifically, but is it, uh, do you think it is primarily an
00:05:17.960environmental thing or do you think it's a lifestyle thing or basically can we act, can
00:05:21.940an individual fix the testosterone crisis or is this a gigantic scientific public health matter
00:05:29.340okay so on the the raw egg thing then yeah so raw eggs raw egg nationalism became a thing really in
00:05:35.540in 2020 it's it's the reason i started posting on twitter um there was this hashtag going around
00:05:41.660raw egg nationalism and it was about people knocking back large quantities slunking is the
00:05:46.600technical term actually slunking large quantities of raw eggs do you have a slunking record what is
00:05:51.700your slunking record uh i think the most i ever slunked in a day was 28 so 28 28 raw eggs in a
00:06:01.060day is cooking them bad because it just kind of sounds gross to me so i yeah i didn't take them
00:06:09.240all at once yeah i mean like hogan would hulk hogan would but i mean he was a different beast
00:06:14.800um you can't look like i would never tell somebody don't eat cooked eggs like if you
00:06:20.680can't stomach raw eggs, then by all means scrambled, whatever, cooked, fried, boiled.
00:06:28.360But the raw thing is largely to do with, A, the quantity that you can consume at any one time.
00:06:34.940So, like, you may have seen Cool Hand Luke, the Paul Newman film, right, where he's challenged
00:06:39.640to eat 50 boiled eggs. It nearly kills him. But you can very easily knock back 50 raw eggs,
00:06:45.780just drinking them. But then there's also the issue of preservation of the nutrients. So
00:06:52.680you get certain nutritional benefits when you consume eggs raw rather than cooked.
00:06:58.660It preserves the cholesterol in particular. And now we've been told for 100 years that
00:07:05.300cholesterol is very bad for you, but actually the opposite is the case. And thankfully now,
00:07:10.380You know, RFK Jr. has upended the food pyramid and restored cholesterol-rich foods to their rightful place as the kind of building blocks of the American diet.
00:07:21.840But I think it's an individual and a societal problem.
00:07:26.420So there are definitely things that you can do as an individual to improve your hormonal health.
00:20:21.360obviously this week yeah we know what's behind you know what's behind home agartha home you're
00:20:29.800definitely gonna have to explain to other people what agartha is but no it is true like there is
00:20:33.720a funny thing like i know you guys are joking about it i have no idea what that is he kind
00:20:37.480of the penguin basically is a meme because people are saying embrace the penguins suicidal surge
00:20:43.900into the unknown it's not what they're saying it's not all i'm not saying it's free suicide no
00:20:49.160So there are these, there are like Redditors I saw who were saying like, oh yeah, the penguin represents the kind of deranged nihilism of capitalism where we're all just heading towards inevitable doom.
00:21:02.640No, it's not that. Oswald Spengler writes about this. It's the Faustian spirit. The
00:21:10.720penguin embodies the Faustian spirit, the will, the desire to know, the desire to overcome,
00:21:17.060the desire to transcend and to achieve the transcendental, even at the cost of death.
00:21:23.260It's the great impulse that has motivated Western society, Western civilization, and
00:21:29.540brought it to greatness it's what built the gothic cathedral it's what resulted in calculus it's what
00:21:35.200it's what drove us to the moon and we'll drive and hopefully will drive us beyond it's this penguin
00:21:41.180is this penguin is is experiencing this profound drive the faustian the faustian spirit and he's
00:21:49.500prepared he's prepared to die the way that the way that people have said this for years the common
00:21:55.400phrase the mountains beckon us the mountains are beckoning us he feels the call of the mountain
00:22:01.800he must go and see what is on the other side he must climb the mountain he must achieve greater
00:22:09.440that's why the penguin will not stop because as we all know outside of death all failure is
00:22:17.620psychological man you're making it sound like we should just make the national we should just change
00:22:21.420national seal and have the the suicide penguin as the official bird of the united states you
00:22:26.600don't know it's a suicidal penguin it could be because you've never climbed the mountain blake
00:22:30.580you don't know what's over there there could be penguin utopia on the other side he's in he's in
00:22:34.740agartha right now he's in agartha right now yeah i mean i would say we could easily make a penguin
00:22:40.740our national bird and put it on the seal if we annexed antarctica i'm gonna keep flogging that
00:22:45.160hobby horse that's how you that's the that's how you square the greenland circle we should just
00:22:49.340sees antarctica tyler tyler what what's what's your take on the penguin you know i kind of i
00:22:54.620think the penguin is just having a rough week and you know what mrs penguin told him he's drinking
00:23:02.960too much we're not we're not even gonna say why we're not even gonna say what cause walking too
00:23:07.860much we're not even gonna say why we're not gonna talk about the garbage he forgot to take out
00:23:12.680or, you know, the, you know, the laundry he was supposed to pick up right away
00:23:38.080I think there's a schlunking connection to me.
00:23:39.900i'm thinking back to fourth grade science and uh emperor penguins i don't know if other penguins do
00:23:45.020it but definitely the emperors they they sit on the eggs right they kind of just squat on those
00:23:48.460eggs to keep them yeah they have they have a huge yeah yeah that's in uh march of the penguins yeah
00:23:53.180the the one has to sit there and the others go out to get food yeah so you can't you can't
00:23:57.500schlong their eggs and there's no other eggs i'm a problem with that maybe they maybe that's why
00:24:02.220they went mad if you sit on the egg constantly but you can't schlong the egg do you go that you
00:24:08.540you have to flee to agartha as it were yeah i'm pro penguin i'm pro penguin me too uh producer
00:24:15.760angelo says mrs penguin found those text messages on his ice phone on his ice phone his ice phone
00:24:21.960very cute now i i like the idea of you know again i i think that there is real need especially when
00:24:30.440you're you're born into a community you've been in a community i think there's probably just
00:24:34.880a a certain percentage of people who have to break away from that and that includes penguins
00:24:40.920too penguins just there's just a certain percentage of penguins who have to just break out and just
00:24:44.800get away to flee and they don't have they don't they don't they don't have screamo music and you
00:24:50.560know i don't know wait you listen to screamo music and espn3 to to lean into so you listen
00:24:57.920to screamo music i'm just saying that just you seem really familiar with screamo music that just
00:25:02.260exist for penguins so they got to just run towards the mountains so but that is the spirit that is
00:25:07.620the western spirit that's the spirit that that's the spirit of why turning point usa was founded
00:25:13.220the spirit that you can do more the spirit that you can that you can do something you don't just
00:25:17.940have to be you don't just have to be a penguin who's in the herd who's in the flock you can go
00:25:23.540and do something different turning penguin us antarctica no no no lake lake turning point
00:25:32.020antarctica turning point turning point agartha turning point mcmurdo turning point agartha has
00:25:39.820been actually has been actually operating for some time now oh it has okay tyler not
00:25:46.080dude we're live we can't yeah don't tell them don't tell them you can't we must protect your
00:25:51.660uh energy crystals yeah at all costs oh man we're in big trouble now um so but the one thing that
00:26:01.480wanted to get into as well which which kind of goes back to alex preddy is obama did you guys
00:26:08.600see this obama statement that he put out like in the wake of all this where he's talking about oh
00:26:14.760we have to like support our neighbors and what's going on in many you guys see this thing yeah i i
00:26:19.960saw it only only because you sent it to me because pozo i don't follow barack obama and actively hang
00:26:26.440on every word that he says but i understand some people are a little different and you know we do
00:26:32.120we do do a show here you know and he's kind of like the leader of the opposition but you know
00:26:35.720whatever um so so he he had this link and that he that he posted up and he was like here's your
00:26:43.640resources that we can use to you know to support our neighbors and it's weird because i guess
00:26:50.280neighbor is like the new comrade the new tovarish right tyler tovarish um to that they they don't
00:26:57.640even refer to um illegal aliens because they because they realize that illegal aliens and
00:27:04.040undocumented and it all just got too wonky and too silly so they're just saying neighbors yeah
00:27:09.160which is the weird to say it's very communist but then here's what's crazy though so it links
00:27:14.680to a box article where it says how to help the resistance to ice in minnesota and beyond and
00:27:23.080you scroll down and it's got all sorts of wild stuff yeah it's got the normal like donate to
00:27:28.040legal funds and stand with minnesota which by the way i'm pretty sure is very similar to the bail
00:27:34.360funds that michelle obama or excuse me kamala harris shared back in 2020 but then if you scroll
00:27:42.760down and keep going down down down down down down down down this is this is the weirdest one
00:27:48.840it says there are other ways to volunteer and my pitbull is family has been helping vulnerable
00:27:57.640families take care of their pets including when an owner is detained by ice and so i clicked on it
00:28:05.160i said my pitbull is family what is this and it says let's lick discrimination let's bite
00:28:12.280discrimination's face off discrimination volunteer with us my pitbull is family
00:28:17.640um what's going on with the pitbulls and why is it i'm sorry what is going why are pitbulls
00:28:25.480considered the the pet of and you look at these people they're they're all antifa
00:28:31.560um why is people like the antifa pet well there's well there's this long um uh history of people
00:28:41.160claiming that actually pit bull is a euphemism for a certain demographic right and so when people
00:28:48.160are talking i'm not familiar with that at all no well so they're saying you know like pit bulls are
00:28:55.180only 13 of the dog population right they commit 60 of the um savage attacks is that true uh i think
00:29:04.260well i mean yeah pit bulls definitely commit a disproportionate amount of this before right
00:29:08.740Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, pit bulls are a giant, you know, killing machines out and about eating babies, which, you know, they're eating the babies other dogs won't eat, as they might say.
00:29:18.520And in fact, I think your friend Cremu just had a situation with this.
00:29:23.520Yeah, Cremu, our friend down in Austin, he was attacked by a pit bull.
00:29:27.040And we were just learning today, one of our staffers, they had a parent who was attacked by a pit bull in the past.
00:29:33.540there's and i know our neighbor uh back in south dakota they had like a cousin who was killed by
00:29:40.840a pit bull like it's amazing how many of these you can find if you yeah killed it that was that
00:29:45.600it was sort of they you have less sympathy because they i think were running like a breeding
00:29:51.680operation or they had some like large number of dogs and you know despite having all those
00:29:55.740lovely dogs that wouldn't hurt a fly uh the dogs consumed them as it were which is disgusting and
00:30:03.000there's there's um there's a ton of of statistics that people can go on this so it's america's most
00:30:09.560dangerous breeds um and and you can find the data it's it's very clear actually where where is this
00:30:16.920from dog bite.org where it says that breeds and types of dogs involved in fatal attacks on humans
00:30:23.400in the u.s from 2005 to 2017 it's got government pincher six boxer seven labs nine huskies 13 it's
00:30:31.160across the united states fatal attack american bulldog 15 mcbree 17 german shepherd 20 rottweiler
00:30:38.04045 pitbull 285 attacks from pitbulls and to this this has to do and and this is this is where people
00:30:48.120get really upset um on on this because it has to do with how pitbulls were bred which happened
00:30:56.920originally in england it did so i'm gonna i'm gonna get through it to you to to explain this
00:31:01.160to us how were pit bulls originally bred uh well as far as i know i mean they were they were bred
00:31:06.840as fighting dogs i mean fighting dogs they're bred to be i mean i think they were literally
00:31:11.160thrown in pits and well that's where the name so the name comes from them being thrown in fighting
00:31:15.080pits yep so you would you breed the most over generations you know constant cycles of breeding
00:31:21.880you you create the most aggressive dog that you can throw in a pit that will rip another dog to
00:31:27.800shreds for the enjoyment of a crowd you know the most it's blood sport you know it's the word bull
00:31:33.320that comes from the fact that they would actually have the the dogs fighting actual cows yeah yeah0.89
00:31:39.480yeah they wouldn't just fight other dogs and they would fight rats but they would also fight bulls
00:31:43.800they were savage enough if you threw enough of them in a pit with a with a bull to kill a bull
00:31:49.320certainly to you know to savage it in a very very nasty way so these are dogs that have been bred
00:31:55.360that are genetically um predisposed their whole existence is violence well i know so here this
00:32:02.440of course is the thought crime because every single time this happens every single time we
00:32:07.660find a story like this we get i get flooded with comments i'm actually looking at the live chat
00:32:13.360right now where people are saying where people are saying oh that's just a bad owner oh that's
00:32:19.100just a bad owner they don't know what they're doing they didn't train them right bad owner
00:32:23.200makes it worse but i mean it's always in there waiting to get out and i mean cremeo i think he
00:32:29.900had the dog on his lap he was petting it yeah well we we met him at the natal con down in austin
00:32:34.860yeah we told me the same story he's a nice guy petting the dog on his lap and it just bites his
00:32:39.300face uh i mean you know what what can you what can you do about that other than wage a relentless
00:32:47.220war of extermination against all pit bulls oh boy uh so so what's the status of of pit bulls and
00:32:54.420bully breeds in the uk uh they're largely they're largely banned and in fact i was going to say my
00:32:59.700cousin in the 1990s was bitten on the eyebrow and still has a very bad scar oh wow they used
00:33:05.380to call them american pit bulls back then oh it's funny yeah which is funny considering they were
00:33:09.860bred in the uk but yeah the reason i knew that the that bulldogs were originally british was
00:33:13.620because of the british bulldog the wrestler at wwe oh yeah classic so good but um yeah i mean i
00:33:20.160think there's so there's been a lot of attacks in the uk as well so they've they've phased out
00:33:24.980the breed completely they have yeah i mean obviously you get the like here then you get
00:33:29.640the sort of people whining and crying and moaning and saying that it's discriminatory and that it's
00:33:34.020not the dogs it's the owners and all the same stuff gets said but yeah they do exactly what0.91
00:33:40.060they do here they attack and kill people kill women kill children so blake what what what do
00:33:45.240we attribute this to because what what he's saying and what we're looking up says the statistics0.71
00:33:50.140are very clear on this that this one breed is particularly violent and look you can just go
00:33:57.620to daily well what's really incredible headline after headline backing it up well what's really
00:34:02.500incredible to me it's like okay this dog is clearly a dangerous one and what's remarkable
00:34:07.940And what I think makes this relevant is the truly pathological response that clearly a lot of people simultaneously, there are people who want to get a pit bull because they know it is a terrible dog.
00:34:22.700And they like want to argue that the pit bull is not a bad dog, that it's like misunderstood or or whatever.
00:34:30.280and i mean we see with this charity supposedly this charity my pitbull is family allegedly it's
00:34:36.120like oh it's just for people who need support with their pets but they didn't say my dog is family
00:34:40.940they didn't say my pet is family they chose a pitbull we if they have that photo that we took
00:34:46.640of their like table that they have like they have a freaking pitbull mascot and like they really
00:34:53.480lean into the pitbull imagery this is specifically a type of dog that there's a ton of them in
00:34:59.440shelters why are there a ton of them in shelters because they're horrible dogs and so people have
00:35:03.180to ditch them because they bite their toddler but they don't want to put it down and it's it's truly
00:35:08.760it's an insight into the psychological state of a lot of people not exclusively on the left frankly
00:35:14.740that they they want to go out of their way to get the dog that is more dangerous for them
00:35:20.740to get the dog that is more dangerous to other people as i suppose a form of pretty aggressive
00:35:26.960virtue signaling either because they want to prove that it's the owner not the dog until you
00:35:32.080know they turn out to be the bad owner whose dog goes goes nuts it it's this it's this true will
00:35:38.520towards ugliness this will towards danger what ended up happening with this kid right though
00:35:43.300is like they know it's dangerous and like they want it to be which kid like that's what they
00:35:47.900wanted what happened what happened with that kid in that video i'm not sure i think we just got
00:35:54.060b-roll on it but yeah there are definitely i i get i've got into like the algorithm on instagram
00:36:00.920i follow every victim of every pitbull attack i don't know why it just pops up on my stuff but
00:36:06.980like well i guess i'm doing it they're gonna i keep watching those algos but there's a lot
00:36:12.660yeah there's like a lot of pitbull attacks that are completely underreported it's crazy
00:36:18.120there's probably so this is the question i have especially for thought crime
00:36:23.080is there more damage done by pitbulls or by school shooters
00:36:28.560probably school shooters what would you find define damage though no i know no i'm like
00:36:37.080genuinely curious dogs as bad as pitbulls are they don't kill that many people in like a
00:36:41.520national context i think maybe what like 10 15 people get killed by pitbulls a year
00:36:46.740okay i mean that that's yeah but but i mean how how many i what i suppose you have to do is you
00:36:53.200have to do some kind of per capita analysis but it's like it's every year and then we're like
00:36:57.560across the world and like i mean there's that's part of it i think pitbulls are an american thing
00:37:03.040and like and like america and its cultural imperialist sphere i don't think you're going
00:37:06.580to find pitbulls if you visit italy or something but my part of my part of my point is i think that
00:37:11.280a lot of this actually goes severely underreported i think there's a lot more pitbull attacks happening
00:37:16.480in america than we actually even know about because nobody ever talks i i tell you i see a
00:37:22.220ton of this content i guess it would only go if it got reported like to the hospital there's
00:37:26.480probably a lot of people who just get bit and just tough it out i mean there's people i mean
00:37:30.560that i mean again yeah like nobody ever gets held to account either like where people i mean this
00:37:36.100happens a lot where dogs will attack and you hear obviously about people suing each other over dog
00:37:41.160attacks but there's also probably significantly more people who actually never sue their family
00:37:47.360member or whoever for a dog attack like you're not going to sue your own family most of the time
00:37:53.140when you get attacked by a dog just doesn't happen it's usually it's not reported no and
00:37:58.020it's something where like i think so obviously right the the thought crime here is the question
00:38:04.700of the tabula rasa right this is the heredity you know heredity genetics you know is is there a
00:38:11.660reason that you know people from certain countries are a certain way you know the somalis the you
00:38:17.400know european whatever um this is the thought crime that that comes up you know can you overcome
00:38:22.540your heredity can you overcome and then certainly you were just talking about that with um with your
00:38:27.400book is to say that there are lots of factors it is kind of a hodgepodge of all these different
00:38:31.740thing however there is still this innate nature and and uh twin studies have borne this out over
00:38:38.540and over and over again uh go go read the book uh blueprint if you want to check that out but also
00:38:45.020i think maybe if we're doing a psa it's hey guys if if your dog's not good around kids
00:38:50.940get the dog out there before before anything bad happens just or or but and and if you do have a
00:38:57.020a pit bull then maybe just don't bring them around kids and also embrace the message from obama
00:39:03.040they embrace the message from obama that pit bulls are a lib breed and a lib cause i say that
00:39:09.240only because two years ago florida banned local bans on on pit breeds they basically said you
00:39:15.720aren't allowed to ban pit bulls from things i don't know why florida did that they had a good
00:39:20.700they had a good run on a lot of things and that is a terrible law wait wait wait florida
00:39:26.620florida at the state level banned local bans on pitbulls so you you you can't stop you can't
00:39:34.760basically can't ban them you can't like locally like a local community can't put in like a city
00:39:41.640or town ordinance against pitbull yeah or like a public housing ordinance against it yeah or like
00:39:47.020even like an hoa couldn't like ban pitbull no no they so that was that was a big mistake by florida
00:39:51.880in my opinion it's like uh it's like when they get psyoped into those hair discrimination yeah but
00:39:56.360you pitbull the rapper probably would be really upset with a pitbull ban in florida i'm just
00:40:02.920saying could we ban pitbull the rapper no but i mean it's just bad for business if there's a
00:40:07.760pitbull i mean that's that's bad for business if like we ban rappers that that headline pitbull
00:40:14.400ban florida like that's not great for i mean i bet a record label was probably had a lobbyist
00:40:20.340involved with that so you might be right just saying no send in your comments send in your
00:40:25.640questions. What do you think about the pit bull question? Let's go around the horn and give
00:40:32.460everyone give out your coordinates because it is a shorter episode today. It is what it is. We do
00:40:37.100what we have to do. Raw Egg Nationalists. Okay, so buy my new book, The Last Men, Liberalism and0.99
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