THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 114 — All-American Halftime Hoopla + AI Scott Adams? + Roblox ICE Raids?
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Summary
The gang is back, and this time we have all four of the current co-hosts on the show to discuss the upcoming All-American Halftime Show and much more! Also, we talk about Kid Rock's new album, and whether or not it's actually good.
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DNS specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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day we're here i believe and we have a great show in store for all of you and i believe and i think
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i'm having seen that confirmed now that we have all four of the current co-hosts of course our
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fifth co-host on assignment in heaven but we've got blake tyler and andrew all here we hear you
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We have all four standard people at the standard time.
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Everything would all in our correct chairs, in our correct postures.
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We're so excited about the all-American halftime.
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Everything would be perfect, except that Andrew forgot the dress code rules,
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and so he's in an undershirt or something right now.
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We all took Andrew out back, beat the crap out of him, and took his jacket away.
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I have an iconic jacket, and you don't see me wearing it on this show.
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Blake is wearing the Dwight Shrew outfit a little bit.
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If you guys have comments, send us the comments.
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We'll totally read them and react to them and possibly hate on them.
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But but as so, here's our ground rules, ground rules.
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Right. So we all know different bits and pieces about the All-American Halftime Show.
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I imagine we're going to get a lot of questions about that.
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So we should probably set some ground rules because I know Kid Rock has been going around saying that he's got a surprise, but he doesn't want to reveal it.
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obviously we all know things so what what are the ground rules for talking about the all-american
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halftime show which will be the only halftime show this weekend the ground rules are that we
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call it the game a game there's a lot of games this weekend it's a sporting event a sports game
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it's an important game that that lots of people tend to wear yeah it's like all of the preliminary
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hockey rounds of the winter olympics and i was watching them and we can also say definitively
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that uh that it is part of a league that a lot of people are familiar with league of legends
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league of legends we're gonna call it the league of legends we put that would be your legend we
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put out some some tweets about it i think people know about it now uh but we can't talk about
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anything because well i mean we'll explain probably a little bit more after all this is
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We are excited to be bringing Kid Rock, Brantley Gilbert, Lee Bryce,
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Gabby Barrett, all to the All-American Halftime Show.
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It will be streaming live around 8 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.
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He has a song that samples Werewolves of London.
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What I want to say is you can watch the show right here on Rumble.
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All of Turning Point's social media channels are going to have it,
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all of you people have a YouTube app on your TV these days,
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so you can have it ready to go if you want to switch over that way.
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Other ways to watch it, Sinclair's broadcast OTT channel, Charge.
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So that's Samsung Plus, YouTube TV, Hulu, Sling, all those things.
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uh daily wire plus tbn real america's voice where we have the charlie kirk show and jack
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posobics uh daily show speak for yourself andrew you say everyone's got a youtube app on their tv
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now but i will have you know i watch television the way god intended on a wooden cathode ray
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tube television set with that wait wait do you have bad bunny ears on your tv it does not have
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the bunny ears it has knobs it has literal physical knobs he will forever be known as
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conejo malo conejo malo conejo malo because we have four months to learn spanish i've been
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practicing it because you guys all know yes yes i'm quarter mexican so i have a i have a total
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pass today just to go ham on all that kind of conversation because i'm one of them well we
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had talked on on our group chats trying to agitate the government into doing flyovers
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It's like four hours away with traffic from San Francisco.
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If you were going to plan a bunch of, you know, flights, you know, just test flights.
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I think they should be going over Santa Clara over and over and over.
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I think what they should do genuinely is load up a couple DHS deportation planes bound for Seacott, load them up there, fly them over, buzz the stadium, and then do a big ad during the Super Bowl of all the killers that they got out, like child sex traffickers.
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Just drop leaflets on the top of the entire Super Bowl.
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right at halftime. I was going to say, what if they use
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some of those sonar... Don't hurt innocent people
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to make sure everyone's safe they all need to go through you know this this advanced scanner that
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they have for security and then you only give them one that's what they would do that's what
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the biden administration would do for our event yeah exactly exactly we've been there we've been
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there that's what they did do you think our audience knows the stories how we would host
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president trump during the campaign and secret service would basically like we've got this and
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they would just jerk us around they'd give us they'd give us two mags for like 17 000 people
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and people are waiting out in the hot sun the the um metal detectors yeah metal detectors so people
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are like i'll never forget this by the way it's a it's a classic charlie story we were in south
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florida president trump was coming to our west palm president trump was coming to the event so
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secret service has to go and advance everything joe biden's president they give us like prop what
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was it like a legitimate number what was it like six mags in an event that size required it was
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one mag 12 it may have been like i think it was literally it was literally like i think it was
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two it was two mags very minimal there was one choke point entrance it was one choke point so
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one entrance with two mags all these people insane go i mean we've got thousands of people that are
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trying to get into this event and everybody had to go twist around in circles like we had to twist
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the line around this parking structure and so what we had to do because the secret service was
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jerking president trump around and jerking us around is we had to go by a bunch of big fans
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to like blow air on these poor people that were stuck out in the mass humidity in the super hot
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sun at least they were shaded but it was very hot humid it was it was probably hotter in that
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parking garage even though they were out of the sun than it was outside so we had to get this
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This was when Biden was president, just so everybody knows.
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Yes, they were jerking Trump around because Biden was president.
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And then Charlie was supposed to go up and speak, I think, or something.
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He had an interview, I think it was with Megyn Kelly, if I remember right,
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and pushed that back and back and back because Charlie wanted to go out
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in the parking structure, shake everybody's hand.
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And, man, did he get dressed down by a bunch of, like, mad people.
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and he's like listen this is not our fault this like we've done everything right we can't get
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in the secret service to give us any more mags so we had to go one by one and deal with all the
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pissed off people because the secret service was trying to kill people out in the what he went to
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every single i'll never forget that it was the whole day it was like a two-day event and basically
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every single person in line yeah it took him hours and he was flaming mad flaming mad i've
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never seen charlie was that mad he was he was in rare form he was in rare form and by the way he
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was getting it he was getting into it with people that were trying to blame this on turning point
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because he's like this is not us you know like and but he was very gracious with people and tried to
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just make things right and had all the staff out their hand and water bottles it's so funny because
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otherwise my own my main memory of that event is just that i think that was the day on the show
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we talked about michelle obama's uh princeton thesis i think that was like was it we did the
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show and we talked about that that day so is that when the quote of the uh raw horsepowers of the
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something like that which they take to they which they took to apply to all black women but he was
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being very specific it was about uh katanji brown jackson michelle obama and sheila jackson lee right
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yep that was the black women so that was that was all around it was a memorable day
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in in the lore of turning point history mortal in the immortal lore uh but you know there's a lot
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happening this weekend. That is one of those sports
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We are talking about it, aren't we? Even though there are certain things we have to keep
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like you said for the surprise. Most of it will be a surprise to me.
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Most of it will be a surprise to me because they've
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Blake's like, I don't even know any Kid Rock songs, so the whole thing is a surprise.
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I don't know any Kid Rock songs, and I will admit.
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I know one Kid Rock song, and I had not heard of the other three people we've had on,
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and I believe that they're pretty notable performers.
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Caboose, you've got to get me a song from each of our artists.
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I have a Brantley Gilbert story that, I mean, it's not a super story,
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But as people know, and we've talked about, Charlie was not a super big country guy.
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And about, I think it was 10 years ago, about 10 years ago, when Tanya and I first started dating,
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we, or at some point, you know, when we were like first started dating,
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that we, she, for whatever reason, comes to this country, born in the Soviet Union,
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falls in love with country music and she's like oh i really want to i really want to go out and
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you really want to come and i was like well you know i really want you to come to the show and
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like i'm going with some girlfriends but it'd be great if you came and i was like well who is it
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she goes brantley gilbert and i was like what's that and she goes well it's country and i said
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okay send me a picture of your ticket and she goes okay fine so i uh i i may have snuck into
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the brantley gilbert concert using using a screenshot of her ticket to go in and i actually
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liked it i actually liked it so uh we had a good time i grew up listening to country music but it's
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more like the uh george straight version you know what's interesting is they they had uh george
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straight there's a petition going around pushing george straight as the you know as the to replace
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But also, you know, the family should have something,
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this shouldn't this shouldn't be on us to do this like so much else in this country and politics and
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culture but we're doing it and jack why don't you tell because this is this is something i've heard
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a lot of like i've gotten this question a lot and i always give you a shout out how did this come to
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be jack yeah so um i mean ultimately it starts with charlie just like everything um it it starts
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with charlie and i know you guys did this a while back where charlie used to always talk about
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the halftime shows um he had this one uh tweet there it is right there yeah 2022 i'll never
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forget this one the nfl is now the league of sexual anarchy this halftime show should not
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be allowed on television and like i remember us being in the group chat like that evening you
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Clothing optional halftime performance, question mark.
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By the way, I love that he doesn't mention the league.
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It's pretty perfect for right now, which is great.
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Look, the Super Bowl halftime show has a reputation.
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people say it's a spicy program okay listen spicy it's supposed to be boundary pushing
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when you have the most televised event this is true most televised event for the entire year
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one of the most televised events on the planet by the way that should be a reflection of the virtue
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that hopefully you want society to embody like tposa has this is tyler's telling me here this
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is like flashback charlie because it's old so this is so this is the old set at the other building
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the first set the original set the original one and there was a moment where charlie started
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wearing we we got the set those were some of our first tposa hats it was just an american flag
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one and he was wearing a hat like every day which i i always was like because he never wore a hat
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he like was he like having a balding scare or something no i just think he just was like coming
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to the office he had the crazy he had the craziest mop of hair his hair started getting long that's
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well eventually he embraced it eventually he embraced it but it but like it was he would
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literally just roll into the studio well i would wear that hat every day too so we were just like
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we we were wearing that hat like i think that was like summertime ish if i feel if i'm remembering
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right but it was like during that covet era it was like right after covet i think yeah well
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charlie uh that's funny i whenever i see him wearing a hat in those clips i'm like oh i know
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exactly what year that was what era that was yeah yeah and the studio at which studio was in like
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what was going on at that time i think that was like literally like during covid when we had to
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like because we we didn't take any turning point didn't take any covid money didn't take any ppe
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money and so we had to like figure it out i wonder what what year was that do we know what year i
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think that was 20 i think that was during covid it could be 2020 21 i remember that studio because
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charlie and i were in that studio broadcasting on j6 so that's like whenever i see that studio i
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think about me and charlie on j6 going like i'm really glad we're not there because it sounded
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like he was referring to the same thing he was referring to in that tweet so this is what's
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funny about that so that tweet the famous sexual anarchy tweet was about uh dr dre and i think
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snoop dogg was in there and they actually did a pretty good job compared to the year before of
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And so Charlie's reaction to it, sexual anarchy,
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was a line that he was getting from, who am I thinking of?
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You remember he had that book called Sexual Anarchy?
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Was he just going to say it no matter what the show was?
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So anyways, I was literally part of the protocol on Super Bowls
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uh for when you were you would tweet what he was going to tweet yeah and uh i went to go i was at
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a barbecue went to go get some food and in like 10 minutes for me like not watching my phone he
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fired that bad boy off and i was like did you did you watch it i remember we were in the group shot
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and it was the same thing like i wasn't paying attention all of a sudden i see this come through
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i think i called you i was like what do we do instantly at at like trending and charlie
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shot to number one trending within like and of course three minutes of course me being me i'm
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like i'm like egging him on i was like keep going go harder go harder go max go max charlie
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it was like literally took over the internet so but this was deep and and i said this story
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on bannon actually in january 2025 so we just had won the election we're there in dc for the
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inauguration charlie and i sat down with a reporter who was writing a profile on him in the new york
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times magazine robert draper and draper asked draper yeah yeah do you like so you've won the
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election you've won all the house the senate like what else is there to accomplish and charlie goes
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win the culture like didn't pause just goes i want to win the culture and um and so all this
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is like very full circle that uh it got memed into existence it's very us that jack starts
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tweeting about it and then i start getting actual legitimate press inquiries going like are you guys
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going to be doing a halftime show like is this really happening and i was like geez like this
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thing has taken a life of its own on the internet and i remember that one show i think we were on
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with temple right jack and i was like i think that's what we did the um the cross stream if
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i remember correctly like yeah and i was like well well we weren't going to yeah we we weren't
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going to but now maybe i think there was a certain song we were playing when the sombreros were on
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if i remember correctly oh gosh okay anyone know that yeah all right speaking of songs
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and your song so yeah we just kind of went rogue and it it it blew up it took over the internet
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It was trending all day when we announced our lineup.
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For those who don't know, Caboose, play a Gabby Barrett song.
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That's when you're native Gabby Barrett, by the way.
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This sounds like every country song I've ever heard in the last 25 years.
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Jack said that Charlie wasn't big on country music.
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I think saying he likes classical music, I think, is his way of saying he doesn't listen to much music.
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I think Charlie was kind of, you know, rates the music a 4 out of 10.
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i don't know this one actually this guy's wait brantley's a great conservative
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did we have brantley at american fest a few years ago yeah we did yeah we did yeah yeah yeah he was
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at american fest and i met him and his wife backstage and i told them the whole story he's
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I may have left out the sneaking into the concert part.
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Well, I mean, I can't say any of these songs are going to be played, by the way.
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I feel like he'd be missing an opportunity to play this song.
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I have a good feeling that that's probably going to get touched.
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He can't say it right because he's not a native English speaker.
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I just want to see more of those old people at the RNC convention going like this.
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He did, I think he did Cowboy, like maybe like one verse.
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And then he may have done a little bit of All Summer Long,
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but I don't believe he played Ball with the Boss.
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If the RNC was smart, how they would do this would be like,
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but then for the concerts they would bring in like.
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it's gonna be awesome jack jack you've seen the rehearsal uh video i know you have what do you
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think i've seen yeah give give us like take us in the room take us in the room not too much don't
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give away any what did the rehearsal look like so you know it's it's kind of like i would compare
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it to like um like when you see it like the grammys like one of those performances or like
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an oscar performance you know what i mean it's a where it's like yeah yeah like like you're you're
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you're it's it's not you know it's a stadium but it's like a big it's big like it's really big
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it's expansive and the energy through just through the roof um the level of the performances
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just just incredible you know just it takes you know you could you could tie i suppose
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a line between you know having brantley and some of the performers at um am fest and a couple of
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the music nights that we had done there and then carry that forward but you know nobody you know
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i think thought that we'd ever get a guy like kid rock who actually did perform at a halftime show
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once before in his own right and uh it was i believe he actually played the same night as the
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so a lot of people don't remember that he played.
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So he performed in the most famous Super Bowl halftime show of all time.
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Yeah, well, that's all you're going to remember.
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In fact, he was the immediate predecessor to it.
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and then it went into the Janet Timberlake songs
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you're saying that if tomorrow's Olympic opening ceremony
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I mean, the world could, I'll put it this way, man.
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you know, best performing and best performances
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I'd put them up against anyone in the world, you know, Olympics or otherwise.
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And producer Fahs and I were crunching some of the numbers on this last night because people want to play this game.
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Like, oh, Bad Bunny, you know, oh, you know, well, he's got more streams.
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But but really streaming is kind of like Internet radio.
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So it's like, OK, he's played on the radio more than anyone.
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But does that mean that he's actually like people are putting up money in the United States for it?
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and so the way to look at this you know and andrew i know you have a background in this
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where you know people are saying that you can there's there's like a formula where they say
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okay this amount of streams would equate to this many album equivalent um purchases and there's
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nowhere near like it doesn't even come close to kid rock like does not even come close again
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in the united states to rock i didn't realize how big kid rock was i genuinely didn't when
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when we made the announcement it was like they call him kid yet he is fully grown he is fully
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grown there were so many people that were like i can't believe you got kid rock and by the way
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kid kid rock was has been legitimately amazing in this and he's put his heart and soul into this
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um i the the rehearsal footage that i saw was of him doing his special thing and i'm just gonna
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leave it there i was yeah i we cannot talk about the special thing it's i'll put it this way it's
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kind of just like like you know how kid rock so we play ball at the ball and everybody knows that
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that's sort of like the kid rock the first came out he's like blending rap and metal and you know
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then he has cowboy which brings country into it but then he kind of pivots and he was like full
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country then there's christian elements in some of the later albums that he's done you're i'll put
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it this way you're gonna see the full spectrum of kid rock you know i mean it's not it's not long
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right it's not like you know he's not the only performer obviously each person only gets a couple
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of minutes and we're not talking about the tism nature of these things we're just talking about
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i think it's gonna be yeah we're just i think you're gonna see uplifting you're gonna see
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Yeah, level of performance that, you know, I'm just going to say,
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like, this is something that, as a country, this is what you would want to see.
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I just, I hope everyone in the country watches it.
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And I hope everyone in the country gets to see it because it's that good.
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Listen, I know there's going to be haters and all that stuff,
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because, like, anytime you do anything that's, like, worthwhile,
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people just, like, you know, the keyboard warriors are going to come hate.
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I invite the haters because this is just, there's not much to hate on.
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The other big thing that's happening somewhere else,
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doing something in the midst of a sport, I don't know.
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That it makes it like the opening is just like so great.
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that that's why i think that executing on this on jack's vision was just a really smart thing to do
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and i'm glad that it's happening so thank you jack for uh you know memeing this into existence
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we appreciate you i take quarter of the credit i take quarter of the credit i just good job i'll
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just say like i just again like like andrew was saying wait you take a quarter of the credit and
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you're a quarter mexican so that's an eighth it's like it's like channeling what charlie
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always said right it's just channeling what charlie always said you got to go for the culture
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00:30:12.680
you got and charlie understood that the halftime show was all about culture this is like the
00:30:17.420
pinnacle like the most watched event and the biggest thing and you know kind of i think the
00:30:24.260
announcement came of uh bad bunny um like right you know kind of in yeah it was sort of like
00:30:32.160
gonna be a week or two after the well we held the memorial and people were kind of saying like hey
00:30:38.840
you know more people watch this in the super bowl and they were talking about production values and
00:30:44.720
sort of that all of that was sort of floating in the ether right around the same time and people
00:30:50.840
were saying you know what event is turning point going to do next what event is turning point going
00:30:54.960
to do next and just like charlie always said you know it's not about winning elections it's about
00:31:00.420
winning the culture and it's like what bigger cultural event is there than this than a halftime
00:31:06.640
show yep and it's gonna be i'm just really proud of the team for pulling it off and i'm i really
00:31:12.260
i'm grateful for you jack having the idea and for ponying up all the production dough as well so
00:31:18.060
thank you for yes yes i did committing us to that out of my pocket you know we tapped out all of our
00:31:23.620
mx cards so if you want to donate to help underwrite the cost we'd appreciate that well
00:31:29.520
there's one interesting thing too while we're here i've got upset i i got a lot of messages
00:31:34.720
i sold half of tanya tay's uh shoes um so she came home she's like jack where are my shoes i'm
00:31:40.480
like sorry sweetheart we needed kid rock we needed it we needed a lot of people have been asking
00:31:46.360
questions about like why isn't so-and-so involved or why isn't so-and-so involved oh oh one of the
00:31:50.940
things i would just just on that tyler um just so you know um blake is still selling his bath
00:31:56.980
water um you know so i know he's got like some fans and he's bottling it he's selling the blake
00:32:03.000
bath water um this is really impressive because i don't even have a bath which makes it even more
00:32:09.660
rare yeah yeah it's even rarer you know it's harder to come by tyler i think you're making
00:32:15.520
an important point here so i've got a lot of messages from people that are like why isn't
00:32:19.000
so and so involved why didn't this artist get asked why didn't this artist get asked
00:32:22.100
and uh and i just want everyone to know throwing something like this together is actually really
00:32:28.500
really tough and people just don't have any any awareness of that i didn't know we didn't know
00:32:32.460
how hard i didn't know how hard it's going to be but most artists have contractual obligations
00:32:37.660
there's certain songs they can't and can't sing there's certain songs they can't and can't sing
00:32:41.700
without backup performers, their band, all of their tour people.
00:32:49.820
There's performers that can't perform things like this while they're in tour.
00:32:54.600
There's performers that can perform things like this geographically close to certain things.
00:33:00.020
There's people who can't compete with other productions ever because they have tie-ins.
00:33:06.620
it's actually way more far more difficult to get uh performers to perform within months just a few
00:33:13.440
months time yeah most of these things are actually planned a year plus out and they have to go
00:33:18.260
through insane amounts of litigious paperwork to be able to get people to do stuff so i just want
00:33:24.560
to say this is like that that's even more impressive that the team was able to pull anything
00:33:27.820
together it's really really tough you have to go through 90 jump over 90 uh you know blockades
00:33:36.600
uh jump through hoops like go through fire like to get you have to get through all of it and and
00:33:42.040
on top of that one thing that people don't think about is all of the different artists performing
00:33:46.920
together so that's the other thing so certain artists can't perform with other certain artists
00:33:52.040
like it's like certain labels can't work with it's like crazy amounts of of work uh and so
00:33:57.620
it's just even more kudos to everybody for getting it done and having an alternative that's out there
00:34:02.180
yeah i'll uh i'll just add on that that that uh you know people know there was one band that you
00:34:07.480
know i was i was i was pulling for originally but turns out there's a tour that's going on at the
00:34:12.960
same time that conflicted and you know people are going to be out of the country like literally on
00:34:18.440
the same day and it's just like like just as you say geographically like it just didn't work and i
00:34:23.420
didn't i didn't even check that before i you know went to look and it was like you know you can't
00:34:27.920
ask people to like fly across the world and you know cancel concerts and stuff because as as tyler
00:34:33.480
saying it's like you know you get into a lot of contractual issues well you get lawsuits and stuff
00:34:38.160
like this yeah lawsuits and all the rest and this song is playing for no particular reason i have
00:34:44.520
no idea what song this is right now is that is that blake are you strumming in the background
00:34:49.080
there was enthusiasm though uh from from people that were going to be but uh i will say though
00:34:54.940
i'll just say you know hey maybe if this goes well uh you know something to work on for next year
00:34:59.860
um so yeah well let's see let's see how this one goes first you know here's here's what i would say
00:35:07.420
is that we want our institutions to do the right thing and i'll say it again we shouldn't have to
00:35:14.080
do this because the the guys that are supposed to be doing this should do it the right way that's
00:35:19.540
all i'll say uh i do think this is interesting though by the way uh caroline levitt was asked
00:35:35.420
with Bad Bunny or the halftime show with Kid Rock?
00:36:34.860
Kid Rock, this is Kid Rock's top 10 on Spotify.
00:36:52.340
number six is cocky number seven is born free which i'm surprised that's number seven number
00:36:58.220
eight is you never met a mother effer i think like me uh and then number nine is american
00:37:05.800
badass number 10 is first kiss so that's his top 10 baw with the baw official music video
00:37:12.000
on youtube has 65 million views whereas all summer long released basically at the same time
00:37:18.080
on youtube has 166 million so yeah i think ball with the ball is is very closely associated with
00:37:27.200
him because he does open a lot of his shows with it and i think it was like his first big signal
00:37:32.400
single so it was kind of like like the song that put him on the map like that was like the one also
00:37:38.720
it's just i mean it's just objectively a really really good song okay well there you go um
00:37:45.120
Um, uh, Jack, we, you want to hit this, this, uh, Scott Adams story.
00:37:55.480
Well, actually one thing I'd love to do before we switch topics, there was something that
00:38:00.040
I didn't get a chance to throw this in, uh, to the, to the mix, but it's like a really
00:38:04.880
just interesting situation because, uh, you guys remember how we had president Maduro
00:38:10.240
here on the program a couple of, a couple of weeks ago, right.
00:38:13.080
You know, we stopped by and we're very honored to get to score that first jailhouse interview with him here on thought crime.
00:38:20.240
Did you guys know that there is a direct link between Bad Bunny and the Venezuelan communist regime?
00:38:33.380
I'm dead serious. You can you can look this up and you like this is not a joke.
00:38:37.480
I'm not doing a bit. So his record label is called Remus Entertainment.
00:38:41.920
And Remus Entertainment, the record label behind global star Bad Bunny, has raised suspicions due to its founders' ties to the regime of former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.
00:38:59.180
previously served as Hugo Chavez's vice minister
00:39:04.560
and was raising questions about the label's finances
00:39:08.460
and connections to Venezuela's violent political past
00:39:12.640
he led the National Police Reform Commission under Chavez
00:39:20.800
part of you know involved with chavez is like secret police um he was in he implemented quote
00:39:28.500
transparent and inclusive public policy reforms and public compliance with the rule of law
00:39:33.680
and that this guy ended up fought you know starting the record label that signed bad bunny and so of
00:39:42.820
course there's a lot of questions coming up but just go look it up it like it'll pop up i've got
00:39:47.840
at yahoo news um dallas express and you know a lot of people have said you know hey did any of
00:39:56.340
is it is it possible that any of this money could have come from you know the the petro narco regime
00:40:02.400
of the venezuelans and you know he denies it of course but it's it's really interesting because
00:40:06.920
you know you talk about like jay-z and you talk about the rock nation which runs of course the
00:40:11.920
halftime show for this the uh the other the other sports event that's out there there's some really
00:40:18.420
interesting ties to bad bunnies label and the venezuelan regime of of uh you know the communist
00:40:25.860
regime of venezuela i don't know that's maybe if we get if we get maduro back on we can ask him
00:40:31.100
about it maybe we can we should that's wild didn't see that coming but why am i not surprised i i
00:40:39.740
just i was digging around yesterday and it popped up and i was like well what like i first i thought
00:40:44.920
that's got to be a meme that's a joke there's no way and i started going further i'm like
00:40:48.720
huh vice minister of police of the regime of venezuela well uh jack i am actually genuinely
00:41:00.300
super interested in this scott adams story what is it okay so this has been a huge controversy
00:41:07.140
over the past couple of days it's you know in in many ways it started out i think quietly and then
00:41:14.800
it blew up because you know both sides you know kind of getting getting very strident about it
00:41:20.300
and um you know being very emotional obviously for a lot of people so scott adams passed away
00:41:25.940
a couple of weeks ago the great scott adams and he was known for ai being a huge one of his main
00:41:34.740
topics of conversation that he would always talk about for years. And for a long, long time,
00:41:40.120
Scott had talked about that if he were ever to pass away, that he would love for there to be
00:41:46.160
an AI version of Scott Adams to sort of carry the show and to grow and evolve the same way that he
00:41:54.840
would. And he would talk about simulation theory and he would say, well, they could study my work
00:42:03.400
And then that just becomes the next level of the simulation.
00:42:07.780
And so it looks like somebody took him up on it
00:42:19.000
Let's play, all right, let me go through this a little bit.
00:42:28.140
that I would like to be a model for one of the first AIs. I would like to give permission
00:42:36.680
that any AI that's built based on me has my permission to extend my personality.
00:42:46.680
So if my AI wants to say things that I never said, but seems to be compatible with what I
00:42:54.100
might have said, I'm okay with that. We all evolve, right? You've certainly changed over
00:43:00.820
your lifetime. You're not the same person you were as a kid. So if you can change over your
00:43:06.420
lifetime in your organic entity, once I become a digital entity, once I become a digital entity,
00:43:18.060
okay so that's that was real scott just so everybody knows now i want to play a clip of
00:43:26.340
ai scott adams which is clip 497 good morning everybody welcome to ai coffee with scott adams
00:43:37.000
yes it's still coffee yes the printer is still broken and yes according to parts of the internet
00:43:44.940
I'm dead. Which is interesting, because I've never had fewer meetings. Turns out
00:43:52.860
when you remove the biological body, you also remove back pain, food decisions,
00:43:59.620
and about half the reasons people make bad arguments. So overall, I'd say death
00:44:05.580
has been a productivity upgrade. Not recommending it, just reporting the data.
00:44:18.380
I don't even know why printers ship with buttons anymore.
00:44:21.920
They should just come pre-jammed, so expectations are aligned.
00:44:27.840
All right, before we get into the news, we're going to do this properly.
00:44:32.140
All you need for that is a cup or a mug or a glass, a vessel of any kind.
00:44:36.360
Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee.
00:45:07.320
that looks weird that was like yeah but i do wonder is like do you know the worst it's ever
00:45:11.500
going to look is it you know like this is like all ai generated or just like did someone script
00:45:18.100
that and then make a video to go with it i bet it was ai generated that's my guess and then i guess
00:45:24.020
to what extent also that that bit that he does at the very end is um that was like he would open
00:45:29.560
every show with the simultaneous sip so that's like something he said every every show but you
00:45:35.380
know it's but like it seems more than likely that what he's done is like gone to you know some llm
00:45:42.580
grok or whatever and said you know produce an intro of scott adams talking of talking about
00:45:48.360
himself as if he was ai i'll be honest though when he was the real scott adams giving permission
00:45:53.800
for an ai version of him i i was like i felt uncomfortable i felt you felt uncomfortable
00:46:00.420
with the ai version i felt uncomfortable with him giving permission i was like felt like pandora's
00:46:05.660
box was getting open yeah because because i just felt like it felt like he didn't know what he was
00:46:10.460
actually agreeing to have you seen the ai i mean obviously everyone's seen this the ai where it's
00:46:14.560
like you keep asking ai to redo the image and it changes the image like dramatically right like yeah
00:46:21.520
i think it's i think the biggest fear i have of this isn't necessarily like the out front content
00:46:29.360
i think it's the slow walk away from the intent over time so like ai you mean the actual like
00:46:37.140
words in this case yeah i mean like the words like the actual content is that like
00:46:41.060
and a daily scott ai will start sounding like scott but slowly will transform or could transform
00:46:51.280
over time and be so far away from what the original intent was that everyone will forget
00:46:57.360
what the original scott was like so and what the concept was like that it's part of the reason why
00:47:04.520
i was thinking about that and i'll just finish this thought part of the reason i was thinking
00:47:07.760
about that is uh most people a lot of people have gotten upset because they're like where
00:47:11.980
the old charlie episodes go on apple it's apple makes it really expensive to store
00:47:18.320
and so we're trying to figure out how to get them yeah we'll get we'll get all of his old
00:47:22.360
episodes up eventually this is on apple they're on their web they're online on our website they're
00:47:26.920
pain in the butt to get there so we're hoping to change the website so they're an easier to get
00:47:30.400
and all streams are still on the rumble account rumble i know but i'm saying people lose their
00:47:34.980
minds because they're like i wish i could go back and watch it all and so i think regularly about
00:47:39.840
like like i like it weighs on me like every day because i feel bad because i want people to be
00:47:43.820
able to listen to it i can't imagine again with charlie doing that every single day and then like
00:47:48.680
producing content that would end up so off base it feels like it would be maybe a slap to the face
00:48:02.420
and it seems to me that someone's scripting it,
00:48:04.580
you know, to at least an extent or at least prompting it,
00:48:09.700
Obviously, we didn't play any of the real content,
00:48:11.860
but you could hear some of the humor was very similar,
00:48:17.060
It's clearly someone who watched Scott a lot has made this.
00:48:20.920
And so what they're doing with it is they haven't,
00:48:23.260
they haven't had it like taking positions on things.
00:48:27.540
What they're doing is, just like Scott would do on a regular basis,
00:48:31.140
read the news headlines, see what kind of like what's trending,
00:48:36.280
and then break it down in a Scott Adams analysis fashion.
00:48:41.560
So rather than say, oh, I'm for this or I'm against this,
00:48:44.380
it's more like just Scott explaining here's what happened
00:48:52.040
rather than a I'm for this or I oppose this kind of way.
00:48:55.640
So that's sort of how they're keeping it, I think, a little bit tighter
00:49:02.300
and not jumping in and saying, oh, I'm all for this or I'm all against this
00:49:06.900
when obviously we don't have the ability to ask Scott.
00:49:09.080
But here's what was so key about what you just said, Tyler,
00:49:12.560
because Scott Adams himself, so for years he talked about,
00:49:17.840
I give permission, I want this to be permissible,
00:49:20.040
I want this to be allowed, as you would play one clip there.
00:49:23.840
But as he was facing his approaching demise, as we all know,
00:49:29.440
and he kept doing his show, he actually kind of changed his mind
00:49:33.540
on the AI version based on pretty much the same thing that Tyler just said.
00:49:44.300
that I plan to build an AI robotic clone of myself
00:49:56.400
I thought it was just the greatest idea in the world
00:50:01.580
there'd be like a version of me that could grow
00:50:04.540
and change with technology and be upgraded and stuff.
00:50:09.820
Do you know what happens when you mention that to people you know?
00:50:17.980
right and that's the part that was invisible to me because in my planning i'm not really there
00:50:25.220
anymore so i don't have to deal with the fact that people would find it uncomfortable because
00:50:30.400
it's not me but exactly like me and i can imagine that that would hit that creepy zone and you'd be
00:50:37.460
like why did you even do this like why did you do this it's not you so here's how i decided to fix
00:50:44.600
that i'm not going to create a digital clone of myself i'm going to create a digital sun
00:50:53.860
okay yeah well okay so so yeah are you going to do like a reverse willy style now where it turns
00:51:02.960
out that video from early 2025 is actually from yesterday and it's no no no well i agree with his
00:51:10.760
walk back that was real i agree with his walk back and here's the reason why what i've seen
00:51:14.840
since since charlie was murdered i've seen people i mean there's not a digital clone of charlie
00:51:21.160
saying stuff every single day and i'm glad that doesn't exist and the reason being that i've
00:51:26.340
already we've already seen because charlie's been like an mlk level figure here where people have
00:51:31.920
used charlie's own words against charlie charlie's own words against his you know or they've or they've
00:51:38.700
said things they've plucked little things i can't even imagine what people would start to do
00:51:43.860
nefariously with things that like an ai bot would say well it's going to get increasingly more
00:51:49.380
difficult to to trace what's real and what's not well that i mean yeah that's true i mean it's
00:51:53.380
going to happen and people are going to be like charlie said something no he didn't yeah
00:51:56.780
no he didn't so just and it starts that whole argument too blake blake was about
00:52:01.520
no i'll let jack go here no i just i just wanted to say so you know just kind of finish the story
00:52:08.500
because i know the topic we're going to get into and this is what we should get into but you know
00:52:12.660
the family has and really the community i think has come out and said look we're respecting scott's
00:52:19.380
we we want to respect scott's last wishes here and he did say that he changed his mind and that we
00:52:26.340
would prefer this not to continue um because you know be based on what he said before and you know
00:52:33.780
know that this is not that he did actually change his mind on it and so that's that's kind of led to
00:52:39.220
this back and forth now where they're putting out statements and the community is putting out
00:52:45.900
statements like his the the community people that were in like his locals and chats and like his
00:52:50.460
community manager and stuff but then also ai scott adams or i guess the guys running it are like
00:52:55.900
debating this argument with them saying well i did have permission it's clearly labeled ai it should
00:53:02.380
fall under parody fair use etc and i and i think this is kind of where we're getting to and
00:53:07.840
obviously you know you know obviously for me i you know i side with the family no question
00:53:13.020
if that's the family's wishes that's the family's wishes but ultimately you know do we even i guess
00:53:19.200
more of a late question like do we even have laws that govern this sort of thing
00:53:24.760
i'm not so sure well so actually so much of it ends up in court like it goes to the deeper ai
00:53:32.860
thing because ai in a lot of ways is basically a wild west uh so there's like the ongoing lawsuit
00:53:39.740
for example of all of the copyrighted works that get fed into ai and is it legal for them
00:53:45.040
to produce it and is some of that straightforward on the level of like oh is it okay for the ai to
00:53:50.540
ai generate a mickey mouse thing when that's owned by disney but then it's like is it okay for the
00:53:56.380
ai to rip off a company like a specific artist's art style and say like oh yeah i did this in the
00:54:03.160
style of this specific person and then you get into like yeah is it legal for i think it's pretty
00:54:09.700
clearly not okay if you're gonna if you were gonna use it fraudulently so if you made a video that's
00:54:14.260
like oh this is charlie and something he said and you're trying to use it to profit but then
00:54:19.140
if you're going even further than that and it's just the likeness of a deceased person
00:54:23.680
made in that style in the past there'd be a lot of fair use stuff that could go into that but
00:54:29.400
i i actually do feel we're probably in somewhat legally uncharted territory here and there's
00:54:34.400
you're gonna have to have well first of all there's gonna have to be like the rights to
00:54:38.720
your likeness but i'd even wonder if it'd be worth going further and say like
00:54:43.460
somewhat limit your ability to sell your likeness because i don't think we're gonna like the reality
00:54:48.860
for example where it's routine for a company to just for example permanently own the rights to
00:54:55.620
your likeness going on decade like decades after your death like would it be okay for anyone to
00:55:00.860
permanently own your family members way they act or behave well i mean but you gotta imagine so you
00:55:07.320
might start building like trusts and like uh estates or whatever with that the usage rights
00:55:14.740
built into it as a matter of sort of common practice you know because this is going to be
00:55:19.880
such a you know a common thing especially if you're a high profile individual i mean everybody
00:55:24.960
on the show right now this video could be plugged into an ai and eventually be used to mimic stuff
00:55:31.640
we say so how do the viewers know this isn't a it'll be really easy it'll be really easy for ai
00:55:36.920
to mimic tyler just always going on his phone like that yeah no but i was i was actually saying
00:55:42.620
actually that's why my head's down like this so i'm not getting like you guys andrew's gonna be
00:55:47.840
the most easy to ai guy ever because there's so much freaking andrew colvette content now
00:55:52.860
no there's gonna be and you've got this same square face like there's gonna be a scandal
00:55:57.080
yeah but andrew hasn't looked at the ai the ai he'll the ai will generate him
00:56:01.740
wearing a jacket but then it will not generate us and i'll have giving him
00:56:06.320
for wearing the jacket and that's how people will realize that yeah i'm gonna say this so
00:56:11.160
Jack looks a little bit different from time to time
00:56:37.800
I have long hair I wear different hats every single
00:56:39.700
day i have steady you have the exact like you have the same look every day same hair you wear
00:56:44.760
generally the same stuff but here's the thing too right beyond beyond just ai copies like you're
00:56:52.340
gonna get to the point where there's like ai people right where something will go viral so
00:56:59.020
the example i used earlier today was like when i was having this conversation i was like okay
00:57:03.780
remember you guys remember the hawk to a girl just yeah whatever her name was um point being is
00:57:09.940
what if she was ai all along and none of us knew yeah she was just made up
00:57:14.900
right like they're gonna make up stories moment yeah well i mean i don't think she was but she
00:57:23.420
could have been and how do you know the next one won't be like how like the airplane lady
00:57:27.340
or the airplane lady that was there what did oh yeah yeah what what is that what what that
00:57:33.780
that that uh that is not real or whatever oh that yeah yeah like stuff like that to see stuff like
00:57:42.680
that and we've talked about this on the show before that facebook and youtube are replete
00:57:48.900
with this type of content um i think instagram and tiktok are like getting better at labeling it
00:57:54.920
but at some point it's just going to get so good that you really won't know and and so what happens
00:58:01.600
then when like those people go on to do their to like do their own stuff you know and do their own
00:58:07.900
um podcasts and content and movies and it's like so we talk about who owns our digital likeness
00:58:15.160
but then like if you create a digital being a digital entity like do you own them like how
00:58:24.060
does that work well they're already doing that because there's tons of people on the internet
1.00
00:58:27.900
who are making tons of money on instagram and all that with with fake we're getting the fake women
00:58:34.600
they're getting the basic elements which is like fake e-girls fake only fans kind of this like
00:58:41.720
thought tier or like the scam tier what i think will be really interesting fake e-girls because
00:58:47.400
the real e-girls um never seem to work out so maybe fake e-girls would be better yeah you know
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So, but I think what will be interesting, let's, as an example, like we live, we do
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live in the age of streamers, podcasters, all of that, that, that all exists.
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You can fake a lot of that, but what could be interesting to me, imagine someone who's
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like an up and comer podcast, they just do like commentary on something and they just
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And we're basically at the point where, or if not very soon will be, where a person could
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basically be generating a solo show in their home in their basement in like a personal studio
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and have it be a fake person but otherwise be like entirely realistic looking or something like
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someone who could become a star as like a popular show and yet the entire person is fake like maybe
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it looks you know maybe it looks like an attractive young woman and it's actually a 40 year old guy
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who might be like authoring the takes but it's entirely through this ai filter and that person
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could like rise and become more and more prominent maybe even appear on other shows once ai is fast
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enough that they could kind of just generate it live on the spot and then it would like suddenly
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come out maybe five years into this person's career that they're a fake persona and there's
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a different a person who looks totally different behind them well that will be interesting and then
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and then you could also get to the point where that person owns the rights to them they get that
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they monetize this fake person that this person could have merch well we had talked we had talked
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about this too is that a lot of news is just going to be delivered by ai persona they're
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going to take personas do we do we actually think that for example with ai scott adams it was creepy
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and it was like we don't like it because it's not really him yeah but how would you feel that way
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well if you don't know you don't know i'm saying that's what i'm saying on day on daily news 24
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hour but imagine imagine they did that on the daily news and you're like tyler it's already
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moving to that but those are already happening andrew like what they're gonna do is they're
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going to be like you don't even have to like wait for they don't have to go pick somebody up and
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drive them to the studio or even like count on them to like like fire up yeah their computer to
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go on they're just going to use makeup and hair it's gonna be like hey here's the script are you
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okay with us saying this with your face i don't know man it's like i i gotta believe that it is
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uh there's just something about a soul something about a living person it's the same pushback and
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when you find out it's not living maybe in certain contexts people won't care and it'll prove to be
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profitable and fine some people already believe what we're already doing is that so tyler i i
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know for a fact that there are media markets that are doing this already yeah on in in news because
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especially for like the daytime news where it's just sort of like news packages and it's like
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here's the you know the reporter or you know and they're on the scene or they're just like someone
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behind the desk talking and giving you like the rundown of it like 95 why not 95 the news is
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someone behind a desk in front of a screen that's all that's 95 98 it's not even on-site reporting
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of stuff like literally 95 at a company i used to work at we used to just get like you know kids
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from you know the local state university who were in the broadcasting program and say hey why don't
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you come and you come on and here's your shift and you might have like a 2 a.m shift you might
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have a 4 a.m shift you might 6 whatever and you just came in and worked your shift and like that
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was you know hey it's a way to get started etc but you know if you're looking at it from a company
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perspective and you're saying you know what's cheaper is it going to be cheaper to just like
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buy an ai model that i can turn into as many different you know news people as i want who
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are never going to get old who never have to pay them and they're never going to get sick
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they're never going to need hair makeup etc and they'll work 24 7 like just saying like that's
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that's very that's going to be very highly incentivized there's going to be a premium
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on that for people who run news networks that's incredible it's going to be a horrifying we have
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two minutes before i have one more thing i was going to say to you guys that sports what if
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there's an entire there could be a future where all the sports is just completely no i don't
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believe that i'm just saying it could happen and how would you know he's right okay like they could
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have an entire league that's nothing but simulation you never would know you want and also by the way
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yeah but what if somebody's like what if this is the coolest fantasy football like it would be like
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fantasy football where you can like say oh here's my fantasy team versus your fantasy team but it's
01:03:26.440
It's like each player is based on a real player,
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but they're actually playing each other in a team that would never exist.
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You could watch your fantasy team simulate a game.
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If that appealed to people, you could already...
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Guys, you can go like freaking play simulated franchise mode in Madden.
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They love it because it's like a simulacrum of the NFL
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Dude third world countries will totally buy into
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all of their ads are already like the low effort ai slop no but here's my theory america has all
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these different pro sports because we're wealthy and we have so much capability of doing that
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we're the wealthiest nation in history we have all this capable that we created all this
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entertainment for ourselves other countries don't have it because they don't have that
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they can literally just make it out of thin air now like who knows like there's a ton of people
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in africa and they have no sports yeah they have sports they have they have soccer okay they have
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it's not the same as here here we have we have literally 32 sports in every high school in
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america like nobody else in the world has that they have two major sports and most kids don't
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play sports i'm saying that now there's like you can just create all entertainment it's totally
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fake totally made up and even third world countries will be able to monetize that
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because like unfortunately poor people get punked by this but like it's it's not it's all going to
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be low tier when you know it there's not a human involved but poor people are going to get totally
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owned by this like it's like they're going to be totally taken advantage is that a white pill
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no it's no i do have a white pill i have a big white pill on this and this actually goes into
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one of the reasons that we chose the name of this program the way that we did because no one
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no one especially in the mainstream is ever going to come for this show or any of our work
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and why is that because ai will never be allowed to commit thought crime boom oh i see what you
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did there but this is the least program it in such a way this is the most unaiable show well
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but this was not to be fair this was not a whole lot of thought crimes involved in this because
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We should do so to B-roll as we fade out here, at least.
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They're doing ice raids in the kids' video game Roblox.
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and we got to get out of here for another thing.
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it's here we are talking about it and this is already user generated computerized content
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they're like firing guns they're firing guns what if this is like this is like the liberal
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you could go so meta like what if what if instead of actually deporting illegals they just did ai
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videos showing deportations and then that could happen too bam and everyone's like oh the admin
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fulfilled all its promises i saw the clips all the illegals the government no no no blake here's no
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what's even better what we should here's the real thought crime on that what we should do is create
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ai videos where it's just like ice letting people go and we'll we'll spread that everywhere like in
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spanish and be like see trump totally changed we could just have he's not doing it anymore
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reality totally divorced reality totally divorced everyone just gets their ai generated preferred
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reality yeah you put in your you put in your like your political positions and no one will know
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And Blake, but like, we just got to say, let's take it for a second.
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Guys, we put something together to became the number one story in the country.
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It's going to be the most watched halftime show.
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And, you know, you got to sometimes you just have to give time for that, give space for that.
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And somehow, somehow we seem to have gotten to the precipice of incredible greatness.
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And it really feels like there's so many people.
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We didn't even play the amount of people that are coming in who are supportive of this and are coming out of the woodwork.
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So this Sunday, we're giving everyone some homework.
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Go and change the channel, turn off Bad Bunny, put on Kid Rock and the gang, and go commit thought crime.