00:01:45.980Because he wrote a book, The Unprotected Class
00:01:48.760That's about how it's okay to discriminate1.00
00:01:50.680against white people in america kill all wits and yes kill all wits it says on the cover uh and1.00
00:01:56.760they also they specifically pressed him i believe it was senator chris murphy of connecticut was1.00
00:02:02.100like pressing at him to define what like white identity or white culture was in the context of
00:02:09.560things uh in fact we actually have that clip we could just show that real quick uh 267
00:02:14.100only how you define white identity and what you think is being erased about white identity i am
00:02:19.900concerned with the majority common american culture that we had for some time that through
00:02:26.340particularly mass immigration i think has become uh much more balkanized and i think that weakens
00:02:32.200us and again i'm not running away from that comment i'm not apologizing for it so they went
00:02:38.200back and forth a little bit about that but there's a bigger context of what's going on where some
00:02:42.860people have criticized the idea that it exists uh and so aoc was for some reason at the munich
00:02:49.380security conference i think we know and oh yes indeed and so she was there and she talked very0.98
00:02:55.620incoherently about a lot of security topics but she also talked about those darn whites and so we0.98
00:03:02.000have this uh we have this clip uh 610 there's a very big difference between whiteness and0.98
00:03:12.540national, like your actual culture, right? Whiteness is an imaginary thing. Being German is real.
00:03:23.400Being Italian is real. You know, being English. These are rich cultural heritages that are based
00:03:33.840on values and they are so much a part of what make our our our cultures and our societies what
00:03:42.680they are did why do i feel like she's trying to strangle whiteness while she's talking about
00:03:47.260i'm actually i'm thinking of her like being yeah like a witch like conjuring up like ball
00:03:52.100lightning it's getting different i also want to submit that it should be heritage i i don't know
00:03:57.760why but heritages i don't know it's something like that so i think i think that's kind of
00:04:04.080that's the starting point for this conversation is what aoc was saying she was saying there is
00:04:08.820german culture there is english culture french culture italian culture whatever you like but
00:04:13.040there's no such thing as white culture and i think that's i think that's an interesting question
00:04:19.360does it exist and i think it's an important thing to ask because we need to check the chats on this0.98
00:04:23.900If you're most of, I think if you're most Americans, you're kind of a Euro mutt.
00:04:28.240So I don't think any of us have a strong sense of being specifically Italian or Polish or, or whatever.0.89
00:04:34.660And if we have any identity that's other than just big American, but with every other group in America, you know, we'll have American identity and subgroup identity.
00:04:52.880does it exist i don't necessarily i don't necessarily think a white culture exists but
00:04:58.500i think that uh we have laws that pretty much exclude whites uh or include everyone that is
00:05:04.760not white and so you kind of have to think of it like chris murphy this is going to sound weird
00:05:11.000because usually when i think of politicians i i really think that they have a deeper understanding
00:05:15.480i think he believes what he's saying i think when he asked jeremy like hey do you like are you
00:05:20.840really thinking that whites are the most you know pervasive when it comes to racism against them
00:05:25.820i think chris murphy buys the bs that he's been fed that you know whites have to have white guilt
00:05:31.620and of course you know we have it better than everybody else and he just he believes what he's
00:05:36.540saying um and i just i love when they kind of get caught on this so do i think there's a white
00:05:41.220culture i think that there is enough out there that puts whites in a box whether it's for good
00:05:47.540or for bad that yes we've kind of had this situation where you know i'm what scottish
00:05:52.020irish welsh you know we're all mutts as as you would say um but i don't ever identify as a with
00:05:58.480a white culture i just think that in certain things we just get lumped into that box uh
00:06:05.240all right i'm proud to be white okay okay but does it mean but white culture0.52
00:06:11.660uh singing sweet carolina every wedding i go to oh brutal with every white in the audience
00:06:19.620singing along but also like that's really yeah look okay like all of us will band together on
00:06:27.220that one no but at a wedding i'll do uh resilience determination inevitable genius
00:06:32.400like take a 100 random europeans from different countries okay so we got like scotland
00:06:39.440wales like different areas of even the uk take slovakia hungary denmark sweden norway and put0.62
00:06:48.180them all in antarctica with everything they need to survive leave them for 500 years and you come0.99
00:06:54.440back to this great civilization and every single migrant in the world every single muslim once they0.98
00:07:01.660see this great civilization in antarctica will will want to move there white people are great0.54
00:07:06.560at building they're great at resilience figuring out whatever they need to figure out they're great0.88
00:07:11.720at surviving but here's the thing about white people like what what are we of the world's
00:07:16.300population like seven percent something like that so america or white people no white people
00:07:21.440it's like it like 10 now maybe i think it's going down it used to be 35 actually elon musk tweeted
00:07:28.500about this it was like 35 at some point is high watermark and now we're down to like 10 yeah but
00:07:34.700But to say that there like is no white culture because there's so many different factions of white culture, like German, Italian, French from the UK, is to say that there's no Spanish culture, even though there's like so many different factions of Spanish.
00:07:51.600I think the most important point to illustrate that there probably is a white culture is if we were to say, is there a black culture in the United States distinct from just being American?0.89
00:08:01.160we would obviously say yes there's a ton of cultural traits that make black people stand out
00:08:06.340from the rest of the country and they're still american there's still a lot of american cultural
00:08:10.240traits they have that make black people black americans stand out from nigerians yes or yeah
00:08:15.560exactly and you know what i would say as you as cliff said like there's laws that discriminate
00:08:21.680against us in america so clearly white people are seen as being a discrete group all right if they
00:08:28.320can be discriminated I'm gonna I'm gonna cut through the noise here of course there's a white0.70
00:08:32.340culture of course there's a white culture I'm sorry but I'll go to a football game in the south
00:08:39.000or in the upper midwest or wherever and all the white people celebrate that football game just
00:08:45.320about the same now the Eagles fans may beg to differ uh Cliff Maloney may may feel like there's
00:08:52.600only one fan base that does it the right way but it's like we all know the same drinking games we0.99
00:08:57.700all know the same movies we all know the same songs we all know the same stupid line dances0.97
00:09:02.160and all the things even if you don't know exactly the words or exactly the steps like we're aware1.00
00:09:06.140there is absolutely a white culture it's a hegemonic hegemonic culture in this country
00:09:12.060that's what upsets them all okay uh but you can't fault us for the fact that this was established0.60
00:09:18.440essentially from the turn of the last century into about the 1960s or 70s when there was no
00:09:27.300basic no mass migration going on between the great depression in 1965 and that is when this
00:09:33.560great congealing happened we won a world war we we started dominating the manufacturing around the
00:09:39.580world and productivity around the world and it just congealed all together we were actually0.98
00:09:44.440able to assimilate the polish and the italians and the this second wave of white immigration0.52
00:09:51.740that we experienced at the latter half uh or the last couple decades of the 1800s and the early
00:09:57.060part of the 20th century. But yes, there is absolutely a white culture, and that is all0.90
00:10:02.640rooted in Anglo culture. Why? Because it was the Brits and the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish0.78
00:10:08.720that all came together and created an Anglo-centric culture. That's where we get our laws, our
00:10:13.720customs, our norms, our language. We are an Anglo culture. We are an Anglo-white culture that's
00:10:19.360spiced up with a few different varietals from other parts of the world. And it's a beautiful
00:10:23.760thing. There's nobody in the world that is going to say this white American is like this Australian0.57
00:10:29.360white person. Nobody in the world is going to say this Canadian, well, Canadian is a little bit
00:10:34.320different, or this British is like this American, because over the years, it's congealed and formed,
00:10:39.960as cultures do, their living organisms, into its own thing. And guess what? It's a beautiful thing.
00:10:44.860It's a good thing. It's a thing that landed on the moon, all you moon truthers, get off my back
00:10:51.460here that that won two world wars that uh that settled the plains that built up a beautiful
00:10:57.240civilization that built really rad cars and hollywood and all this we have our culture we like
00:11:02.260baseball we're you know white culture likes baseball we like hot dogs all of this stuff
00:11:08.060is incredibly american and to suggest that it doesn't exist is the height of insanity and it's0.51
00:11:13.420deeply infuriating actually which is why you're seeing the rise of a white identity in the united
00:11:17.900states yeah well i think that's actually that gets at what i would say is truly a white cultural
00:11:23.640practice in the united states and there is a certain self-effacing aspect to it so i for
00:11:31.040example i would say it is specifically in america a white cultural trait to want to
00:11:36.600sort of efface race as a factor to say we were dominant for so long no i don't even think it's
00:11:41.980that i think i think that's actually a little bit more innate than that because notably we kind of
00:11:47.140continue to do it even as we're nearly not a majority of the country uh there is a desire
00:11:53.020to not have any bias towards an in group towards your own group no that's just for the sake of it
00:11:59.160every other group every other group openly does you can run the poll where it'll say they'll ask
00:12:05.500people welcome how what do you on average rate different races as and every race will like rate
00:12:11.460their own high and white people low and then white people are very careful to just rate them every
00:12:15.960race the exact same i think that actually is a cultural value i don't mean to go backwards on
00:12:21.240this so did did secretary rubio do this at the hofbroi house upstairs i don't think so okay
00:12:27.360as long as that wasn't that didn't happen that we're good do what are you just doing a uh
00:12:33.220hitler thing i'm not doing a hitler how dare you say that the hofbroi house in munich is a great
00:48:03.240And he said this. Thomas Massey is a grandstander. His principles are only present when convenient. See his votes against funding the wall and what those show.
00:48:16.360Meanwhile, his principles didn't stop Biden's continuing resolution. So that's what I will say to that point.
00:48:23.000Thomas Massey did not seem to care about the Epstein files when President Biden was in office.
00:48:29.960Yeah. What do you what do you have to say, Cliff?
00:48:33.240Sounds like your number one best friend is being criticized.
00:49:20.460What I get mad at is that the Republican establishment always puts him in a position or him plus a couple of the Freedom Caucus members to be the ones that have to make the tough vote because they put up some sort of moderate bill, right?
00:49:36.200It's never Don Bacon that has to be the one or two no votes because the bill was too conservative or too Trumpy.
00:49:43.100And I think that's why I always do stick with Thomas, because I think a lot of the things he's doing, people can argue, well, he's too principled and we only have a one or two seat majority.
00:49:53.140OK, you can make that argument. But like, why aren't we testing the moderates instead of having to test the people that I would argue are much more America first?
00:53:53.960Same type of thing is that there's been this departure over the course of the last year during the next Trump presidency where there's just been some vitriol pointed at the president.
00:54:09.380And some of it's a little bit concerning to me because, and again, this is a similar type of conversation.
00:54:15.160and and you know this isn't pointed at uh you know just pointed at cliff here but you know
00:54:23.140there there's purist like republican libertarianism where it's like there's some things that
00:54:31.560i think ram paul and thomas massey have done that are exquisite and it's pulled the party
00:54:38.580more to the right and it's good and it's really it's really healthy and it's really good and i
00:54:42.560I like the policies that some elected officials and legislative bodies have where they just vote no on everything because they don't believe that the government should grow and that they shouldn't be passing anything.
00:54:51.920And that's generally been the M.O. of Thomas Massey.
00:54:57.220Well, I know I'm saying, but over the course of this last year in particular, there's been a little bit of a departure.
00:55:03.360But there's signs of this that are a little bit challenging because, you know, there was some there's some jockeying and brokering that happened in Kentucky that I don't like.
00:55:12.380and this is specific to these two gentlemen because there's a lot of like wheeling and
00:55:16.660dealing with the McConnell people and like they basically had like like again a truce that in
00:55:23.640that state and Cliff can speak a little bit more to this I won't put him on the spot to speak to
00:55:28.300why as to why but like where Mitch McConnell really wouldn't attack Rand Paul Rand Paul
00:55:32.620wouldn't attack Mitch McConnell and you know and again that was not like a hundred percent because
00:55:38.720Rand Paul would have you know some words about policies that they use but they wouldn't attack
00:55:43.780each other and I don't think that was helpful in Kentucky like I think it's Kentucky you have two
00:55:48.540of the most pro-liberty guys and at the same time you have one of the worst representations of the
00:55:55.500DC Swamp and Mitch McConnell and now you have a situation too where it's like they've kind of
00:56:00.920stayed out of this race for and I could be totally wrong about this but from what I've seen they've
00:56:06.180largely stayed out of this race to replace mitch mcconnell and that that doesn't help and i i'm a
00:56:11.940little bit more of like a pragmatist when it comes to this is like we want the most conservative guy
00:56:16.380possible getting elected and use your muscle for good i just think like my all this to say
00:56:23.060instead of attacking donald trump which you're not going to change the president by attacking
00:56:26.940donald trump if you're thomas massey but what can you do at home well you could get you know a really
00:56:31.720great guy elected in the u.s senate to replace mitch mcconnell and are you doing are you spending
00:56:36.920all of your political capital to do that no he's not spending he's doing this instead
00:56:41.040watch this clip 603 well that's what bothers me donald trump told us that even though you know
00:56:48.740he he had dinner with these kinds of people in new york city and west palm beach that he would
00:56:55.240be transparent but he's not he's still in with the epstein class this is the epstein administration
00:57:00.960and they're attacking me for trying to get these files released.
00:57:05.720And again, I'm going to say President Trump has not been accused of anything criminal.
00:57:10.360I think there is a lot of truth to just, unfortunately, Massey's had friction with
00:57:16.420President Trump all the way back to his first term. Trump was trying to primary him out even
00:57:19.980then over he wasn't voting for stuff the president wanted. And I think a very real trend is when
00:57:26.660someone, when a lot of people get in friction with President Trump, you can see some people,
00:57:31.280they handle it better than others. Like there are some senators who've had big spats. I think
00:57:36.120even Lindsey Graham's had some spats with Trump and he just, he glides with it. He knows what he
00:57:39.900wants and he's very good at getting back in the president's graces and just deals with it and so
00:57:44.060on. And others, they're very aware. Okay. Sometimes Trump fixates on people and that's just how it is.
00:57:49.020But for some people, they get in it with Trump. And after that, it just gradually curdles
00:57:55.680everything and it starts to consume everything about them you know what the difference is0.87
00:57:59.660you're totally right and we go back to white culture i was thinking of like albion seed or
00:58:04.140whatever right how actually he's a border it's because he's a border no so here's the thing
00:58:08.160look at compare thomas massey's reaction to trump attacks to marco rubio's yeah marco rubio latin
00:58:16.960little cuban so you can do it if you want although that's a mexican song but the point is he's let
00:58:24.500it roll off they put it they put the they buried the hatchet as it were and now marco's like a
00:58:29.740rocket ship whereas thomas massey he's he's like you know appalachia he's he's like a he's he's an
00:58:38.500honor society guy you're right that different people handle it differently but i don't know
00:58:43.120that i'd associate a cuban with burying the hatchet and not caring about that well i think
00:58:49.780he cared obviously for a while but he's he's much more sort of like sly and uh i think listen they
00:58:57.200buried the hatchet that's the bottom line massey has got that honor culture and trump came after
00:59:02.840his honor and he's gonna like you don't just bury that hatchet yeah he's from kentucky he's from i
00:59:08.960think is that where the hatfields and mccoys were go ahead uh well i think that was west virginia
00:59:12.880wasn't it same type of country yeah but it's similar yeah go ahead cliff yeah so two two
00:59:17.820major things to not push back on but to at least respond with number one i don't think massey has
00:59:22.660changed in terms of his his voting pattern at all i think what's changed is that the margins are so
00:59:28.180narrow that now him being mr no ramifications for the trump administration for you know passing
00:59:34.280legislation it's real right ron paul voted no for years but guess what we had a 20 seat advantage
00:59:39.200for most of the time that he was in right or they were in the minority and just it didn't matter
00:59:43.700So I think that's number one. Number two, I think the line in the sand, you know, the difference here is that when Trump decided to go all in against Massey, what do politicians do when they're fighting for their political life? Right. They're going to figure out ways that they can kind of push back. And this is not a shot at Thomas, but we teach this. Right. What do politicians care about? They care about getting elected, reelected and elected to higher office. Right. That's all. Even the good guys. That's what they do.
01:00:09.580So his path to getting reelected is he can't align with Trump if Trump's going after him every single day.
01:00:16.900He's able to raise money on certain things because he's, you know, they're amplifying when he's, I don't want to say anti-Trump, but yes, I think we're seeing much more of the rhetoric.
01:00:27.380But I always say to people, like, what do you expect when your political life's on the line?
01:00:31.020Either A, you retire, or B, you fight to try to win.
01:00:34.860I think Thomas Massey wins his reelection with 55 to 60 points.
01:07:21.140We talked about it a little bit the other day, but we really need to marinate in the lovely poetry of perennial Charlie Punching Bag, Eric Swalwell.
01:07:28.660who's by the way the leading they have they do a jungle primary in california and he's the leading
01:07:33.920dem i'll take it the sad thing is is i'll take it there's some really bad dems in that pile
01:07:38.900who's the girl we're talking about uh porter yeah porter i can't make fun of porter as much
01:07:43.300i i a lot of people got upset because we made fun of potato porter's appearance too much so i will
01:07:47.920not make any comments on porter's appearance listen listen you won't you call ugly ugly all
01:07:53.300Right. And Eric Swalwell is stupid.1.00
01:07:55.820I mean, he's just a I mean, it is curvy.1.00
01:07:59.020It is scary that that could be a governor.
01:08:02.620Like if Eric Swalwell can become a governor of his day, I mean, in no in no normal country do they let guys like Eric Swalwell become governor.
01:08:14.860Yeah. Well, we're not a normal country.
01:08:41.720But the Trayvon hoax is a must watch because he basically proves that the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman trial engaged in witness fraud.
01:08:52.860Rachel Jantel, they had her as Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, and it was a total imposter case.
01:08:58.760They were faking everything, and he proves it stone cold.
01:27:31.960But getting getting back and but they so they have the same thing.
01:27:36.080They have universal basic income on Earth.
01:27:39.120And it's like people just sort of like, but it's still like a wastrel kind of like
01:27:43.780waste of of time and space people don't really have jobs because you know it's sort of like okay
01:27:49.860we have this basic income and yet everything still sucks anyway but then also earth gets
01:27:53.780destroyed in that series and like nobody seems to care again it's a long story yeah i haven't
01:27:58.100seen it but to get back so kind of to get back to the original obviously some people are like oh
01:28:01.960obama has confirmed that the aliens are real i find it unlikely he would reveal it that way
01:28:08.480but I guess why don't we ask Jack do you think that aliens are real especially both alien life
01:28:15.080generally and intelligent life of any kind and if not why not we could we could explore that
01:28:19.720do you have a belief on that one um I mean I'm open-minded on it right I I I think it's possible
01:28:27.200I certainly think it's possible I like the old uh forget what it may have been Carl Sagan or
01:28:31.620someone else who said you know if if there isn't if there isn't anything that's an awful awful big
01:28:36.360waste of space um to you know and and when you look at probabilities um you know the probability
01:28:43.440of this many planets and galaxies existing in the universe would would tend to you know tend to show
01:28:51.620you that that life could have arisen on other planets somewhere out there and we just haven't
01:28:57.040found it yet i also you know this idea of uh interdimensional type things that there's higher
01:29:03.300dimensions that we don't know about and perhaps there's something going on totally open-minded to
01:29:07.980all that stuff love reading about it think it's super cool and i'm not one of those people who's
01:29:12.260like oh it couldn't possibly exist so no i'm not like that but at the same time you know i'm also
01:29:18.840not really and i'll just say it like i'm not really a big believer in this whole like you know0.66
01:29:24.760the uaps and the government is secretly the secret programs and stuff and i just i'm not i'm not and
01:29:32.480And I say that as like a guy who was literally in the intelligence community that I'm like, I've just never seen anything that that strikes me as credible there.
01:29:40.240Yeah, I guess I would just lean towards, I guess, man, I want to have a more decisive one since you're a little more on the fence.
01:29:47.360If I had to say I'm going to go, I'm going to embrace like, I feel like maybe it just hasn't happened.
01:29:52.680Maybe I'd say probably no intelligent life out there.
01:29:55.440I kind of go towards what's the big who's the guy who predicted the singularity?
01:30:02.480what's his name like the singularity is near guy it's not for me is it uh ray kurtzweil
01:30:10.120that's who it was ray kurtzweil he had an interesting take where he since he believes
01:30:13.940in the singularity he actually would argue humans are the first form of intelligent life that's ever
01:30:19.320emerged and he believes it because he thinks kind of the singularity is you know super intelligence
01:30:24.860that would then he thinks we would immediately permeate the whole universe we'd kind of turn
01:30:28.260the whole universe into circuitry and his argument is that that's so inevitable if there were
01:30:33.820intelligent life that humans must be the first form of intelligent life because we don't see the
01:30:38.400evidence of that in our own galaxy or anywhere else in the universe and i kind of i i'm sympathetic
01:30:46.140to that i think you know there's the classic fermi paradox where is everybody if it seems like
01:30:51.000there's a gazillion stars and there's even more planets orbiting those stars it seems like
01:30:56.140it should have happened. And I think it might really be that earth, like a habitable earth
01:31:01.700like planet that can have life that has given enough time to become intelligent life that can
01:31:07.840then, and then that, that in turn develops technology that is able to do things. I could
01:31:12.300lean towards that being the only ones who are out there, but like you, I don't think, well,
01:31:16.400but then there's the, the other, uh, the other corollary to that is of course the great filter,
01:31:20.420right? The Kardashov, um, the Kardashov scale. So which, which I guess the, what's your great
01:31:25.620filter jack what are what are your top three great filters that are keeping civilization from going
01:31:30.380to the stars well so this is the great let me explain it for the audience so the great filter
01:31:34.520theory is like kind of the response to this that says that says okay well what if there's a problem
01:31:40.940that exists and this this is sort of going back to that star trek thinking of of you know industrial
01:31:46.620societies and being you know inherently destructive that the great filter is that some
01:31:51.820for some reason societies only progress to the point where they're just about to um you know
01:31:59.500embark on space travel and then something happens that either destroys the society destroys the
01:32:04.220planet kills all life or you know just prevents them from being able to embark on that level of
01:32:11.100a society so i mean you know probably you know probably just that just nuclear war or something
01:32:16.620along those lines it is not jack jack it's not nuclear by the way relativity just relativity
01:32:22.880itself is a huge problem jack i mean i think i think we can agree wouldn't the greatest great
01:32:28.380filter be be libtards yes exactly just like you know we found well it's it's like you're reading0.55
01:32:38.140the archives of like some historian in a lost civilization and he's like viewing the patterns1.00
01:32:42.620And he's just like, we found this civilization and we found another civilization on this other planet and all of them destroyed themselves.
01:32:48.540And in every single one of them, it was they reached a certain level of development and then they all started soy facing and dying, dying, the things growing out of their heads, different colors and stopping.
01:33:01.100They cease to reproduce and and all of that.
01:33:04.720Yeah, no, that reminds me of some of the mouse utopia experiments where when a society gets to a certain point of self-sufficiency that it becomes almost like it's – this is what we actually – this is the response, by the way, to the replicator argument that when a society has too many resources, when you eliminate the need for resource scarcity or you eliminate all resource scarcity,
01:33:33.040that this actually breaks down society because society is actually governed and along a hierarchy
01:33:39.600of resource distribution and so when there is no competition you you get people who check out of
01:33:46.340society you get low fertility rates you get a i'll just say it they saw a rise in um same-sex
01:33:54.120relationships um again among the mice in these experiments and you you had people who were
01:34:00.600constantly worried about or mice i should say mice mice mice not people who were constantly worried
01:34:06.200about their looks who were trying to uh looks max as the kids would say these days and they lend
01:34:14.200themselves towards essentially destroying their society rather than and it created a behavioral
01:34:19.960sink where they couldn't even raise kids anymore and then the ones who did end up kids had not been
01:34:24.120raised by parents themselves and it just essentially destroyed their society that's a great filter
01:34:28.280right there man yeah your uh angelo's message us he's telling us about the dark forest theory that
01:34:36.760is that the dark forest theory is that life is all over the place like every other planet has
01:34:41.280people on it but the smart ones aka everyone but us realizes that you don't talk to everyone in
01:34:47.340space because if you do it's like you're walking through a dark forest full of wolves and you're
01:34:52.920screaming hey everybody and then the wolves come and eat you
01:34:55.620that's dark wow what was that from is that like the soundtrack so we didn't so so because we're
01:35:06.620not you know so we're not stealthing ourselves um oh wait i i just saw in the chat that you put in
01:35:13.980uh the fermi paradox i wasn't even reading um the stuff you're right um that uh that yeah so it's
01:35:20.320like it's like because we're not using our cloaking systems you know we're the ones who
01:35:24.260we're going to get we're the ones we're going to get wrecked when we we might be we might i mean
01:35:29.280it does feel very like utopian in hindsight where as soon as we get radio waves we're just blasting
01:35:35.580them out into space that we have seti and we're just saying hey we're here is anyone else out
01:35:40.380there we're sending the pioneer probe with those naked people on it and we put a we put beethoven
01:35:45.960on it i think we put we we put a recording on it all of that and then we're sending that out there
01:35:51.200and yeah you can just imagine it gets found by the deep space version of dude we were just
01:35:58.760watching uh i showed my kids the first movie adaptation of war of the worlds the 1950s
01:36:04.640version with like the long the long necks that pop out and the heat rays just like blasting
01:36:09.040everybody and what's interesting about that is like this even comes up in there where they first
01:36:14.740say oh my gosh this is you know it's first contact this is great and then it's like you
01:36:20.020know and then immediately they just start killing everybody and it's like and it's like yeah that's
01:36:26.020that's probably something that could happen and then the fact though that so you know spoiler
01:36:30.280alert even though this came out like 100 years ago um they get they get killed by human bacteria
01:36:35.360the problem though is of course what if the aliens have like martian bacteria that we've never
01:36:42.080experienced before and they kill all of us which could which i think uh stephen hawking even talked
01:36:46.940about before that just direct contact with alien life might be enough to kill us that it would be
01:36:52.540that would be a darkly interesting that would be like a good sci-fi horror thing i think like
01:36:57.200there's first contact between two species and the end would just be they both mutually destroy each
01:37:02.300other and like just of disease everyone drops dead and like that that's the takeaway i i've
01:37:07.500never encountered that i wonder if it's been written that's coming out this is like a huge
01:37:11.540part of it i read the book and then a while ago and if i remember correctly that that was a huge
01:37:15.680issue they had where it was like so it's it's you know in the movie it's gonna be ryan gosling but
01:37:19.900then they so he's like in his pod and then he connects with an alien pod and they're communicating
01:37:24.960but they can never they can never leave their pods because they're worried about that no that's
01:37:28.680interesting and so i'm thinking about what since we're pre-taping this we can't see the emails or
01:37:33.240messages but i'm thinking of what has come in when we've discussed this before and i know a lot of
01:37:37.100people they take the point of view that if aliens do exist this is actually something we've heard
01:37:42.480Tucker's talked about it, just the belief things we think are aliens are actually demonic entities
01:37:47.640or that just in general, there can't be aliens because they're not mentioned in the Bible or
01:37:53.980scriptures. And so they can't exist for that reason. I guess I would push back on that. I
01:38:00.220think I would hear C.S. Lewis said this, that there's nothing really innately implausible that
01:38:06.320God could create non-human creatures that are still, you could say human in the biblical sense
01:38:13.320that they are in soul beings because they have human levels of cognitive development, wisdom,
01:38:19.220whatever we would believe in that sense. Uh, I know I've, I've also, I've mentioned this before.
01:38:23.700I've read short fiction that even speculates there could be aliens that exist. And because
01:38:28.420they exist, they also need their own version of the incarnation, which in theory is possible.
01:38:33.600People have speculated that Christ appears in the Old Testament.