Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep 116 - What Is 'White Culture'？ Eric Swalwell's Poetry？ Thomas Massie, Friend or Foe？

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00:00:11.240 all right i think we're live now yes i believe so did you guys hear the promo music i didn't

00:00:26.700 hear anything but you know it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we're here and it's thought crime

00:00:31.040 thursday and helping us to navigate all of the various thought crimes is cliff maloney

00:00:36.540 backed by popular demand cliff welcome back man it's good to see you all been a while i know we

00:00:43.200 uh we needed a break from you and uh but now we're ready again just kidding to be here just

00:00:49.260 kidding we you know we're gonna talk about thomas massey later in the show so yeah you gotta step

00:00:54.120 up for your man yeah exactly a lot of people are getting very agitated about him but that's not

00:00:58.620 where we're starting and by the way tyler boyer is going to be joining us in just allegedly we'll

00:01:02.740 see he better he better get his get his i just saw him he's he's around we start we we delayed

00:01:08.120 our start for him he's gotta he's gotta hustle up so the first topic up for bids is white people

00:01:15.700 what what is white which is another reason we had cliff maloney exactly yeah we needed to get

00:01:21.560 America's math teacher 0.54

00:01:23.120 We needed a white person to make sure 1.00

00:01:25.420 We needed to make sure we had a white person around 1.00

00:01:27.160 To discuss this topic 0.88

00:01:28.200 I'm insufficiently white apparently 1.00

00:01:30.180 He's too Mexican 1.00

00:01:31.160 Yeah, exactly

00:01:33.900 You called that too

00:01:35.440 So, no, we wanted to talk about this

00:01:38.460 So we had a Trump nominee

00:01:40.400 Jeremy Carl on the show the other day

00:01:42.000 He also is up for a nomination in Congress

00:01:44.700 And they really interrogated him

00:01:45.980 Because he wrote a book, The Unprotected Class

00:01:48.760 That's about how it's okay to discriminate 1.00

00:01:50.680 against white people in america kill all wits and yes kill all wits it says on the cover uh and 1.00

00:01:56.760 they also they specifically pressed him i believe it was senator chris murphy of connecticut was 1.00

00:02:02.100 like pressing at him to define what like white identity or white culture was in the context of

00:02:09.560 things uh in fact we actually have that clip we could just show that real quick uh 267

00:02:14.100 only how you define white identity and what you think is being erased about white identity i am

00:02:19.900 concerned with the majority common american culture that we had for some time that through

00:02:26.340 particularly mass immigration i think has become uh much more balkanized and i think that weakens

00:02:32.200 us and again i'm not running away from that comment i'm not apologizing for it so they went

00:02:38.200 back and forth a little bit about that but there's a bigger context of what's going on where some

00:02:42.860 people have criticized the idea that it exists uh and so aoc was for some reason at the munich

00:02:49.380 security conference i think we know and oh yes indeed and so she was there and she talked very 0.98

00:02:55.620 incoherently about a lot of security topics but she also talked about those darn whites and so we 0.98

00:03:02.000 have this uh we have this clip uh 610 there's a very big difference between whiteness and 0.98

00:03:12.540 national, like your actual culture, right? Whiteness is an imaginary thing. Being German is real.

00:03:23.400 Being Italian is real. You know, being English. These are rich cultural heritages that are based

00:03:33.840 on values and they are so much a part of what make our our our cultures and our societies what

00:03:42.680 they are did why do i feel like she's trying to strangle whiteness while she's talking about

00:03:47.260 i'm actually i'm thinking of her like being yeah like a witch like conjuring up like ball

00:03:52.100 lightning it's getting different i also want to submit that it should be heritage i i don't know

00:03:57.760 why but heritages i don't know it's something like that so i think i think that's kind of

00:04:04.080 that's the starting point for this conversation is what aoc was saying she was saying there is

00:04:08.820 german culture there is english culture french culture italian culture whatever you like but

00:04:13.040 there's no such thing as white culture and i think that's i think that's an interesting question

00:04:19.360 does it exist and i think it's an important thing to ask because we need to check the chats on this 0.98

00:04:23.900 If you're most of, I think if you're most Americans, you're kind of a Euro mutt.

00:04:28.240 So I don't think any of us have a strong sense of being specifically Italian or Polish or, or whatever. 0.89

00:04:34.660 And if we have any identity that's other than just big American, but with every other group in America, you know, we'll have American identity and subgroup identity.

00:04:42.800 So does, does a white culture exist?

00:04:46.120 And if so, what actually is it?

00:04:49.160 I think we need to throw Cliff Maloney in the hot seat.

00:04:51.540 Cliff, to you, you're first.

00:04:52.880 does it exist i don't necessarily i don't necessarily think a white culture exists but

00:04:58.500 i think that uh we have laws that pretty much exclude whites uh or include everyone that is

00:05:04.760 not white and so you kind of have to think of it like chris murphy this is going to sound weird

00:05:11.000 because usually when i think of politicians i i really think that they have a deeper understanding

00:05:15.480 i think he believes what he's saying i think when he asked jeremy like hey do you like are you

00:05:20.840 really thinking that whites are the most you know pervasive when it comes to racism against them

00:05:25.820 i think chris murphy buys the bs that he's been fed that you know whites have to have white guilt

00:05:31.620 and of course you know we have it better than everybody else and he just he believes what he's

00:05:36.540 saying um and i just i love when they kind of get caught on this so do i think there's a white

00:05:41.220 culture i think that there is enough out there that puts whites in a box whether it's for good

00:05:47.540 or for bad that yes we've kind of had this situation where you know i'm what scottish

00:05:52.020 irish welsh you know we're all mutts as as you would say um but i don't ever identify as a with

00:05:58.480 a white culture i just think that in certain things we just get lumped into that box uh

00:06:05.240 all right i'm proud to be white okay okay but does it mean but white culture 0.52

00:06:11.660 uh singing sweet carolina every wedding i go to oh brutal with every white in the audience

00:06:19.620 singing along but also like that's really yeah look okay like all of us will band together on

00:06:27.220 that one no but at a wedding i'll do uh resilience determination inevitable genius

00:06:32.400 like take a 100 random europeans from different countries okay so we got like scotland

00:06:39.440 wales like different areas of even the uk take slovakia hungary denmark sweden norway and put 0.62

00:06:48.180 them all in antarctica with everything they need to survive leave them for 500 years and you come 0.99

00:06:54.440 back to this great civilization and every single migrant in the world every single muslim once they 0.98

00:07:01.660 see this great civilization in antarctica will will want to move there white people are great 0.54

00:07:06.560 at building they're great at resilience figuring out whatever they need to figure out they're great 0.88

00:07:11.720 at surviving but here's the thing about white people like what what are we of the world's

00:07:16.300 population like seven percent something like that so america or white people no white people

00:07:21.440 it's like it like 10 now maybe i think it's going down it used to be 35 actually elon musk tweeted

00:07:28.500 about this it was like 35 at some point is high watermark and now we're down to like 10 yeah but

00:07:34.700 But to say that there like is no white culture because there's so many different factions of white culture, like German, Italian, French from the UK, is to say that there's no Spanish culture, even though there's like so many different factions of Spanish.

00:07:51.600 I think the most important point to illustrate that there probably is a white culture is if we were to say, is there a black culture in the United States distinct from just being American? 0.89

00:08:01.160 we would obviously say yes there's a ton of cultural traits that make black people stand out

00:08:06.340 from the rest of the country and they're still american there's still a lot of american cultural

00:08:10.240 traits they have that make black people black americans stand out from nigerians yes or yeah

00:08:15.560 exactly and you know what i would say as you as cliff said like there's laws that discriminate

00:08:21.680 against us in america so clearly white people are seen as being a discrete group all right if they

00:08:28.320 can be discriminated I'm gonna I'm gonna cut through the noise here of course there's a white 0.70

00:08:32.340 culture of course there's a white culture I'm sorry but I'll go to a football game in the south

00:08:39.000 or in the upper midwest or wherever and all the white people celebrate that football game just

00:08:45.320 about the same now the Eagles fans may beg to differ uh Cliff Maloney may may feel like there's

00:08:52.600 only one fan base that does it the right way but it's like we all know the same drinking games we 0.99

00:08:57.700 all know the same movies we all know the same songs we all know the same stupid line dances 0.97

00:09:02.160 and all the things even if you don't know exactly the words or exactly the steps like we're aware 1.00

00:09:06.140 there is absolutely a white culture it's a hegemonic hegemonic culture in this country

00:09:12.060 that's what upsets them all okay uh but you can't fault us for the fact that this was established 0.60

00:09:18.440 essentially from the turn of the last century into about the 1960s or 70s when there was no

00:09:27.300 basic no mass migration going on between the great depression in 1965 and that is when this

00:09:33.560 great congealing happened we won a world war we we started dominating the manufacturing around the

00:09:39.580 world and productivity around the world and it just congealed all together we were actually 0.98

00:09:44.440 able to assimilate the polish and the italians and the this second wave of white immigration 0.52

00:09:51.740 that we experienced at the latter half uh or the last couple decades of the 1800s and the early

00:09:57.060 part of the 20th century. But yes, there is absolutely a white culture, and that is all 0.90

00:10:02.640 rooted in Anglo culture. Why? Because it was the Brits and the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish 0.78

00:10:08.720 that all came together and created an Anglo-centric culture. That's where we get our laws, our

00:10:13.720 customs, our norms, our language. We are an Anglo culture. We are an Anglo-white culture that's

00:10:19.360 spiced up with a few different varietals from other parts of the world. And it's a beautiful

00:10:23.760 thing. There's nobody in the world that is going to say this white American is like this Australian 0.57

00:10:29.360 white person. Nobody in the world is going to say this Canadian, well, Canadian is a little bit

00:10:34.320 different, or this British is like this American, because over the years, it's congealed and formed,

00:10:39.960 as cultures do, their living organisms, into its own thing. And guess what? It's a beautiful thing.

00:10:44.860 It's a good thing. It's a thing that landed on the moon, all you moon truthers, get off my back

00:10:51.460 here that that won two world wars that uh that settled the plains that built up a beautiful

00:10:57.240 civilization that built really rad cars and hollywood and all this we have our culture we like

00:11:02.260 baseball we're you know white culture likes baseball we like hot dogs all of this stuff

00:11:08.060 is incredibly american and to suggest that it doesn't exist is the height of insanity and it's 0.51

00:11:13.420 deeply infuriating actually which is why you're seeing the rise of a white identity in the united

00:11:17.900 states yeah well i think that's actually that gets at what i would say is truly a white cultural

00:11:23.640 practice in the united states and there is a certain self-effacing aspect to it so i for

00:11:31.040 example i would say it is specifically in america a white cultural trait to want to

00:11:36.600 sort of efface race as a factor to say we were dominant for so long no i don't even think it's

00:11:41.980 that i think i think that's actually a little bit more innate than that because notably we kind of

00:11:47.140 continue to do it even as we're nearly not a majority of the country uh there is a desire

00:11:53.020 to not have any bias towards an in group towards your own group no that's just for the sake of it

00:11:59.160 every other group every other group openly does you can run the poll where it'll say they'll ask

00:12:05.500 people welcome how what do you on average rate different races as and every race will like rate

00:12:11.460 their own high and white people low and then white people are very careful to just rate them every

00:12:15.960 race the exact same i think that actually is a cultural value i don't mean to go backwards on

00:12:21.240 this so did did secretary rubio do this at the hofbroi house upstairs i don't think so okay

00:12:27.360 as long as that wasn't that didn't happen that we're good do what are you just doing a uh

00:12:33.220 hitler thing i'm not doing a hitler how dare you say that the hofbroi house in munich is a great

00:12:41.680 place for families to go and enjoy

00:12:43.940 a great... Nothing historically

00:12:46.060 important has ever happened there.

00:12:47.840 Nothing historic has happened upstairs.

00:12:50.140 No historic things have happened in Munich

00:12:51.860 beer halls named the Hofbrauhaus.

00:12:53.720 Which they have one in Vegas,

00:12:55.940 but I don't think they have...

00:12:56.600 I don't think they have a Nazi upstairs. 1.00

00:12:59.900 But look, put an Australian,

00:13:02.480 a British person,

00:13:04.580 us,

00:13:05.860 in a room with a bunch of Chinese,

00:13:07.840 Kazakhstani, 0.97

00:13:09.340 Japanese... What do the Kazakhstanis have? 0.65

00:13:11.680 Africans, and we will, all the white people will bond together. 0.69

00:13:16.700 We'll figure it out. 0.72

00:13:17.060 Like, same page.

00:13:17.700 Me and the British person, you know, they'll come over and go,

00:13:20.140 oh, look, I love you guys.

00:13:22.980 Listen, I think Trump's lost his mind a little bit.

00:13:25.720 Look, like, Trump's lost his mind, but, like, we're on the same page.

00:13:29.820 Listen, common history, right, mate?

00:13:32.200 Common history.

00:13:34.240 You're talking with a black British accent, though, right now.

00:13:36.760 Yeah, you are. 0.57

00:13:37.300 No.

00:13:37.820 No, it's not.

00:13:38.840 No, no, no, that's definitely not.

00:13:40.440 Blake and I were just there recently.

00:13:42.760 Wait, that's not a black British accent?

00:13:44.100 No, it's not. 0.99

00:13:44.640 Give me your best black British accent. 1.00

00:13:47.000 Well, they all sound the same. 1.00

00:13:48.360 So here's the deal.

00:13:49.020 No, that's not true.

00:13:50.060 Here's the deal, though.

00:13:51.220 What he's explaining is actually really true.

00:13:54.320 It's not that different races are not able to share a same culture.

00:13:58.860 It's the distance between culture actually is felt socially.

00:14:03.300 Meaning, I might have a really great black friend, and that's great.

00:14:08.520 But if you put me in a room full of strangers

00:14:11.660 I'm going to naturally share more in common

00:14:13.660 With other white people from other countries

00:14:15.620 And you see that play out culturally 0.95

00:14:17.400 Because the distance, cultural distance

00:14:19.680 Is shorter

00:14:20.780 And that's okay, we shouldn't be so afraid of that

00:14:24.040 Culture is emergent as well

00:14:25.500 So why do white people 0.72

00:14:26.800 Are white people a discreet group? 0.73

00:14:29.560 Yes they are, because everyone basically says they are 0.97

00:14:31.640 Our statistics all say they are

00:14:32.980 All popular discourse says they do

00:14:35.360 And then are there things

00:14:36.240 that what are their cultural practices that white people in particular do in america and you know

00:14:42.040 you know there are because for the past five six years we've had endless freakouts over things 0.73

00:14:47.700 that are too white i remember our national parks were too white do you remember the black uh the

00:14:53.140 smithsonian the african-american museum that yes literally defined whiteness on top of that but

00:14:57.360 not even just that it's that like go to a go i'll pick my favorite i've been to a few heavy metal

00:15:03.360 concerts in my time and i went to i went to a judas priest and saxon concert in uh that was

00:15:09.780 great judas priest and saxon in washington dc in washington dc and i'll say washington dc is a

00:15:15.640 very diverse city any number of hispanics and black people and indians and whoever could have

00:15:20.480 gone there and i will say that was a very european crowd and one native american you're saying there

00:15:28.200 an anglo-saxon crowd at the saxon yes here here is my here is my that's so that unexpected this

00:15:37.140 is my theory that you remember what was that one supreme court justice that said you know porn when 0.95

00:15:41.780 you see it whatever that oh uh i can't remember who said it some old but an old dead white this 0.71

00:15:46.600 is the thing and cliff i'm gonna i'm about to flash one of your favorites here you know whiteness 0.66

00:15:53.160 when you see it throw up 592 ron paul throw up image there whiteness that is white culture

00:16:02.340 that is that is dawson's creek see i knew cliff was gonna have my back yeah i guess a little

00:16:08.540 shout out to james vanderbeek who we lost good man a good family man the six babies by the way

00:16:13.660 it's six kids god bless him great great white guy this is uh yeah real 10 out of 10 white guy

00:16:20.020 it would have been so funny for us to like rate that that's our culture

00:16:24.960 cliff do you agree that you know it when you see it or am i wrong no you're right and i think you

00:16:32.780 guys uh use me as a guinea pig to start here and when i say like what i think of white culture um

00:16:38.520 no you're right i mean it's it's it's i do think humans avoid assimilation right i mean we we want

00:16:45.560 to be with people we look like that we get along with that we connect with i mean this is the big

00:16:49.960 argument a lot of the migration in the u.s is like or around the world you look at europe like

00:16:55.740 the refusal to want to assimilate so yes i think you know white culture when you see it or whiteness

00:17:01.660 or whatever you're saying um but yes dawson's creek great reference by the way if if people

00:17:07.900 are confused about the b-roll right now we're literally just flashing through b-rolls of white

00:17:12.420 culture wait no cliff has in the background he's got lots of white culture behind him right now

00:17:18.660 He's got a Ron Paul sign, super white, super, super white.

00:17:23.060 Did Ron Paul not appeal to the, to the minorities?

00:17:25.220 I would say this, I would say, I would say his policies could be appealing,

00:17:30.340 but if you looked in the Ron Paul revolution of, of 22, between 2008 and 2012,

00:17:37.000 it was a very white crowd.

00:17:39.820 You know what's interesting? 0.62

00:17:41.420 I, I, I got mad because Ron, like always was ahead of his time,

00:17:46.200 but in like 2018 he uh said at some event that like multiculturalism is bad and like all these

00:17:52.680 radical left libertarians were like losing it you know and like i mean he was once again ahead of

00:17:59.440 his time but like he's right that was nobody was talking about that back then right that the

00:18:03.120 migration and just you know everyone thought oh well you know multiculturalism hanging out with

00:18:08.000 each other of course that's a good thing it was like the the height of woke and he was like the

00:18:11.980 one guy saying that so let me just be very clear on that note who's on who's wait who's on the

00:18:17.460 painting behind you uh up here yeah where am i hold on yeah right there all right this is a gag

00:18:24.480 gift let me figure out how to our gag gifts white culture of course hold on only white people give

00:18:30.860 each other gags martin van buren yes it's martin van buren yes i know that portrait white culture

00:18:37.200 white culture i don't even i couldn't even see the face i could just see the pose i knew it was

00:18:40.940 the pose of the my face painted on martin van buren's yes that was a great nothing nothing's

00:18:50.380 wider than gag gifts that's first all right but here's what we're saying listen i i i think race

00:18:55.520 does sometimes matter it does i mean just ask the nba but we what we're talking about is

00:19:01.320 african-american over here if you were you've been holding they've been waiting on that um

00:19:07.180 didn't you say that jesse jackson was the guy who popularized african-american that jesse

00:19:13.180 jackson popularized that and which is which is news to me um so here's the deal but you if so

00:19:18.860 for example i went to high school with a bunch of kids that were not white but they kind of grew up

00:19:22.960 in the dominant american culture and i didn't feel any i didn't feel any separation from them

00:19:29.340 and this is the thing so when you talk about multiculturalism multiculturalism is where you

00:19:34.420 celebrate all the groups staying distinct and they they move here and then you got the indian

00:19:38.900 neighborhood and you're just going to celebrate the indians say oh the food or whatever um they've

00:19:44.340 been sitting on a bunch of these i can tell this is fun okay but i mean genuinely to ron paul's 0.67

00:19:51.820 point probably i didn't see what he said but multiculturalism actually does make us weaker

00:19:56.500 because we don't have a dominant central through line of our culture shared values shared morals

00:20:01.220 and shared heroes, shared myths, shared legends.

00:20:05.060 And that's really, really, I think, what people don't like living around

00:20:08.820 because they don't go to, like, if my kids go to school with those people's kids,

00:20:13.740 they're not going to, like, celebrate Easter together.

00:20:15.700 They're not going to, the holidays are going to be different.

00:20:18.740 The language is going to be different.

00:20:20.900 Everything's going to be different. 1.00

00:20:21.860 And that's not what you want.

00:20:23.040 You want your kids going to school with a bunch of people that share the culture

00:20:26.000 and share the holidays and share the interactions

00:20:28.120 and that share culture more broadly.

00:20:31.220 And I think there's actual, genuine, weird fear to acknowledge

00:20:36.580 that there just might be some things, certain groups,

00:20:39.240 just naturally, for whatever reason, like more than other people.

00:20:44.120 Like, there's going to be... 0.95

00:20:44.980 Are you going to Black Pilots again?

00:20:46.660 No, no, there's going to be some folk concert. 0.92

00:20:50.220 It's going to be a bunch of white people with guitars,

00:20:53.640 and they're going to be singing their folk songs, 0.99

00:20:55.540 and it's going to be really annoying.

00:20:57.000 And I would hate it.

00:20:57.700 Is that folk music?

00:20:58.160 I would hate it.

00:20:58.940 I actually hate that music.

00:21:00.160 but but i acknowledge it's a ton of white people who like that sort of thing they love their bob

00:21:06.020 dylan and whatever and i know that these organizations are just endlessly having

00:21:09.520 meltdowns because they're all white libs and they freak out because not enough people who

00:21:14.340 aren't white libs like it and nevertheless that's white culture because it's about something a bunch 0.87

00:21:20.220 of white people like and want to do and will do if not blocked from doing it by things like having

00:21:25.920 a gigantic politics-related meltdown.

00:21:29.160 Look, white culture is so incredible 0.76

00:21:30.980 that you have people that aren't white,

00:21:33.200 Mexicans like Andrew, 0.93

00:21:34.700 trying to pretend they are white. 1.00

00:21:37.900 No, I would actually say this. 0.95

00:21:40.240 So this is how America works.

00:21:42.500 Explain to us how America works. 0.55

00:21:44.220 America works very similar. 1.00

00:21:46.540 Black culture, 0.99

00:21:48.540 white people try to copy all the time. 0.97

00:21:51.700 So they adopt black culture all the time. 0.92

00:21:53.540 It caused a lot of damage in the early 2000s. 1.00

00:21:54.780 You can say his name.

00:21:55.580 Just say his name, Eminem.

00:21:57.740 Okay, go ahead.

00:21:58.120 Clothing, all that stuff, like words that we say. 0.97

00:22:01.460 It's actually like white people trying to like steal black culture. 1.00

00:22:04.920 White trash culture, Mexicans steal all the time. 1.00

00:22:09.380 All the time. 1.00

00:22:10.660 Just because they wear the same jeans.

00:22:11.860 It's true. 0.93

00:22:13.080 It's genuinely one of my favorite things about Mexican immigrants.

00:22:17.020 They love pro wrestling. 1.00

00:22:18.480 They love monster trucks.

00:22:20.500 WWE.

00:22:21.660 They love pizza parties at Pizza Hut.

00:22:23.740 They love all of that stuff.

00:22:24.960 I love that.

00:22:25.580 They love our parks.

00:22:26.860 Parties and parks.

00:22:28.120 Oh, my God.

00:22:28.640 They love stuff that has fallen off.

00:22:30.700 I'm sorry, but Saturday.

00:22:32.060 Sitting on your lawn.

00:22:33.180 Sitting on your lawn.

00:22:34.000 Saturday in California, it's like you just don't even try the parks.

00:22:37.020 Every park.

00:22:37.640 Don't even try the parks.

00:22:38.280 Fishing off like a dock.

00:22:39.460 Sunday.

00:22:39.940 No, but I actually.

00:22:41.060 That's so true.

00:22:41.740 Oh, yeah.

00:22:42.060 On rivers.

00:22:43.140 Like just posting up along rivers and creeks and things like that. 0.94

00:22:46.280 What are some examples of white people stealing black culture? 0.95

00:22:49.440 I'll jump in. 0.98

00:22:51.560 Go ahead.

00:22:52.400 This was me in high school.

00:22:53.560 You guys should see photos of me in 10th grade.

00:22:55.180 oh i went to a very very uh how do i put this without offending my life philadelphia

00:23:01.460 outside of philadelphia let's put it that way and i had to assimilate and i had to try

00:23:07.520 i had the huge stud earring just my left ear pierced um i would wear the fubu pants

00:23:14.420 big baggy pants but the number one thing that i changed is i wanted to play cards and gamble at 0.67

00:23:22.360 lunch and only the black folks were like out there actually doing this and so i had to assimilate 0.73

00:23:28.780 and join the culture and play tunk uh to try to gamble some uh some lunch money so that was a lot 0.78

00:23:33.940 of fun you would just imagine i could just imagine blake with his or blake uh cliff with his fubu

00:23:39.580 pants and his stud earring like smoking a black and mild out there gambling at recess high school 0.93

00:23:45.640 high schoolers are peak are peak white kids trying to adopt black culture it's yeah because 0.64

00:23:52.840 of rap it's rap listen to rap music but listen i also think that white kids have been told that 0.98

00:23:57.980 their culture sucks and so they're looking for but it's beyond that it's cool it it's like there's a 0.98

00:24:03.980 there's a level of cool and swagger that that black culture produces in america that's promoted 0.99

00:24:10.260 by the media that is cool this is why my theory behind gen z gen z is adopting like cowboy uh 0.97

00:24:17.880 like costumes like almost like they're a lot of them wear boots and they like to go to country

00:24:22.140 concerts and rodeos like yeah i think it's because they're looking for something that's defined

00:24:26.900 that's something that they could like be like oh i can do that i can wear those clothes and i can

00:24:31.420 feel black black culture has created a whole thing around especially around products and

00:24:36.920 things like that cars specific cars brands of cars rims in our era our era remember it went 1.00

00:24:43.080 big big uh big uh subwoofers i just i hate that that came from black culture this entire era 0.99

00:24:51.240 of american culture it was a blight on my life and on america oh come on dr dre chronic come on 0.99

00:25:00.020 yeah i can think of all the songs i love off that album uh i i definitely was that high school kid

00:25:06.900 that was like bumping speaking of people for sure a final thought on this and then we should

00:25:15.240 a final thought on this and then we'll pivot to the next thing if you want to get a good sense of

00:25:18.900 what white culture is go look at what japanese people do when they're ripping off stuff from

00:25:25.080 america because they're great at imitating american subcultures there are uh japanese

00:25:29.620 people who really love like the greaser

00:25:31.480 subculture from the 50s like wear

00:25:33.700 leather jackets

00:25:35.040 and have like motorcycle culture

00:25:37.820 they love uh they also love

00:25:39.740 jazz so i guess that's an element of black culture there

00:25:41.720 but they

00:25:43.600 they really are good at

00:25:45.460 skate uh they're really good at skateboarding

00:25:47.680 so skateboarding like tony hot 80s california

00:25:50.040 culture they pick up a lot

00:25:51.780 of that stuff more of like a 90s right

00:25:53.820 80s 90s no i definitely

00:25:55.700 listened to rap in high school

00:25:57.080 You had like Dr. Dre

00:25:59.780 No, mine was like Young Thug

00:26:02.220 Travis Scott

00:26:03.580 DaBaby 0.99

00:26:04.780 That was like the dumbest name 0.99

00:26:07.120 DaBaby 1.00

00:26:07.860 The fact that we are laughing at it means we're part of white culture 0.73

00:26:12.420 We got a great

00:26:13.500 We got a rumble rant from Zuzu's Petals

00:26:16.200 We'll close it out with this

00:26:17.840 $5. 1980s John Hughes

00:26:20.400 Movies were the best of things ever

00:26:22.440 And appealed to white teenage audiences

00:26:24.640 Now people would say

00:26:26.100 these amazing movies

00:26:27.060 aren't diverse enough.

00:26:28.380 That actually is 1.00

00:26:29.320 a very good point.

00:26:30.960 Those films are very

00:26:32.040 suburban white culture

00:26:33.420 of the 80s

00:26:34.380 and they were definitely...

00:26:36.340 Yeah, Home Alone

00:26:36.860 didn't have a single

00:26:37.600 black person in it. 0.99

00:26:38.660 Yes, it did. 0.99

00:26:39.180 No, it did not.

00:26:39.840 Wait, what are the

00:26:40.320 other John Hughes movies?

00:26:41.660 John Hughes,

00:26:42.100 he had Sixteen Candles,

00:26:44.500 Planes, Trains,

00:26:44.960 and Automobiles,

00:26:46.340 Pretty in Pink.

00:26:47.520 People always say

00:26:48.060 I look like

00:26:48.540 Breakfast Club,

00:26:50.420 Weird Science.

00:26:50.960 Yeah, was there a

00:26:51.980 pinata in Breakfast Club?

00:26:53.220 I haven't seen

00:26:53.920 The Breakfast Club.

00:26:54.760 I don't think so.

00:26:55.340 People always say

00:26:56.080 look like the kid from 16 candles uncle buck uncle buck is amazing okay i can see you younger

00:27:02.060 all of these things all of those things are great my son this is a good transition point

00:27:09.960 because john hughes sadly he died he retired pretty young and then died quite young uh he

00:27:15.140 was like out of hollywood by the time he was 50 but we could make more john hughes movies today

00:27:20.320 because the ai that we've been covering ever since this show was created has advanced remarkably

00:27:25.840 quickly and we're now at the point where there are just absolutely terrifying ai recreations of 0.86

00:27:33.100 every actor every film you could ever imagine c dance c dance is the latest chinese ai model that 0.71

00:27:38.860 is being used for making these videos and it will watch some clips here and you'll think okay that's 0.94

00:27:43.380 not 100 the same as a movie but remember everything you see with ai it is like today's ai is the worst

00:27:52.320 it will ever be versus the future that's kind of it will only get better so let's got we have a

00:27:57.600 we have a fight between uh tom cruise and brad pitt 584

00:28:02.880 so tell me do you guys think that looked real

00:28:20.740 It looks like them.

00:28:25.160 It definitely did.

00:28:26.100 Why are people paying actors?

00:28:27.920 I could nitpick the fighting about it,

00:28:29.940 but the actual face is 100%.

00:28:31.720 Can I see 587?

00:28:33.980 All righty, let's do that one.

00:28:35.040 That's Will Smith fights a spaghetti monster.

00:28:37.520 I've seen the other one.

00:28:50.740 i would watch this movie i think i would find this movie entertaining i think my children

00:28:57.380 would find that movie my my worry is that there's going to be no like creative art anymore like

00:29:02.060 actors will just sign a contract wait what about the nil for 10 million that's part of it you need

00:29:07.160 actors anymore you just create new nil well and the part of well part of what's amazing though is

00:29:11.940 this gets into another cultural factor which is we don't really generate new movie stars anymore

00:29:16.860 like yeah who is a super famous movie star on par like on par with tom cruise or brad pitt when

00:29:23.800 timothy chalamet yeah that's the only one timothy chalamet and besides him sydney sweeney sydney

00:29:29.100 sweet okay oh wow what's the sydney sweeney movie you've watched dude who are the new

00:29:32.940 okay glenn powell is another one there's so much like that's a banner no no there's no

00:29:38.040 army hammer he's in like one thing no i mean on in terms of being think what i actually don't

00:29:43.460 know who that is he's miles teller miles teller also i don't know who that is maybe you're just

00:29:48.240 watching old i don't watch that many movies overall but i mean they might be famous they

00:29:52.060 might be well paid but on par with how big brad pitt was when he was 35 on par with how big

00:29:57.460 like leonardo dicaprio those guys are huge names and they've been huge name they were huge names

00:30:05.960 in their 20s every film that was released by them was like a big event to every every tom

00:30:11.680 cruise film is massive i don't think there's anyone out there where every film they make is a

00:30:16.380 presumed tentpole big deal event even timothy chalamet sydney sweeney that's city sweeney's

00:30:22.520 movies bomb she was in a movie that no one watched partly i watched it movies are that is part of it

00:30:28.720 but i think i think i will go to every sydney sweeney movie all set up this is all set up to

00:30:33.480 say he's doing research for ballad chaser this is all set up hey if we had an army of sydney sweeney's

00:30:39.760 We would never lose an election again.

00:30:41.380 This is all set up to say,

00:30:41.940 we don't have that many famous actors,

00:30:43.720 but people are endlessly attached to the same old ones.

00:30:47.040 Tom Cruise is still making action movies.

00:30:48.720 He's in his 60s.

00:30:49.400 And he's in his 60s.

00:30:50.240 No, okay, that's not actor's fault.

00:30:52.200 That's not actor's fault.

00:30:53.340 That's description models.

00:30:54.920 Yeah, but his point.

00:30:55.540 That's TV shows.

00:30:56.660 It doesn't matter who's fault it is.

00:30:58.380 There was a peak adoption in specific archetypes

00:31:02.740 around actors, and that's in the heavy decline.

00:31:06.820 And the point is, Tom Cruise.

00:31:08.120 And 2020 didn't help.

00:31:10.060 Tom Cruise, I want to finish this thought.

00:31:11.700 Tom Cruise would, in the past, Tom Cruise, by the time he's 65,

00:31:16.660 he would fade out of being this big action star.

00:31:19.480 But he keeps being one because he is the big brand name.

00:31:22.820 We basically can't make new action stars on par with Tom Cruise or Arnold

00:31:26.780 or any of the ones we had in the 80s.

00:31:27.900 And that creates the opening where you just sell away Tom Cruise's AI rights

00:31:33.940 and you just get Tom Cruise forever.

00:31:36.060 In fact, we could de-age him.

00:31:37.100 So we have 40-year-old Tom Cruise again.

00:31:38.240 Well, this is the same with fast food restaurants and chains.

00:31:40.460 I would make the argument.

00:31:41.900 There's only so many that can make it into the marketplace, like new ideas.

00:31:47.100 And then people become so accustomed to that.

00:31:49.760 It's like McDonald's has grown huge, Subway.

00:31:53.880 Like Subway is not the best sandwich, but Subway is still the largest chain in America

00:31:58.180 or second largest or third largest chain in America, I think first in food,

00:32:01.840 because people just become so accustomed to something that they can't get off it.

00:32:05.220 yeah how does that that shrinks over time maybe but like again that goes back i think actors is

00:32:12.120 like there's a brand of actor that you become point this this you didn't see this in the past

00:32:16.620 because the whole mechanism of delivering the new food if you will the new actor was so powerful

00:32:21.640 that it would overcome the barriers to entry and we would get new entrance into the space

00:32:25.760 we don't really do that anymore because i think our attention is so diverted and so

00:32:29.920 siloed everybody's balkanized to use jeremy carl's word um wait can we

00:32:34.960 can we watch 591 sure yeah do it

00:32:37.860 i'll say my name

00:32:49.260 heisberg

00:32:50.960 what you're holding is mine

00:33:06.880 so for those watching that later that was uh captain america and scarlett johansson from

00:33:19.260 i can't remember her superhero title and it was heisenberg from breaking bad the driver show

00:33:25.560 they did not cross over in real life but now they have crossed over in the world

00:33:30.980 of ai movies and then scarlett johansson beat him up you remember that was like a really big thing

00:33:36.180 you never watched breaking bad no charlie used to give me such i haven't watched it either dude

00:33:39.560 it's one of the greatest best television show i can make it even how did you make it through all

00:33:44.620 of covid you didn't watch breaking bad i can make it even worse i watched two episodes of breaking

00:33:48.720 bad and didn't find it that interesting and i stopped oh no listen i did lock down a day

00:33:54.620 i judge every single opinion you ever have from here on out blake by the fact that you couldn't

00:34:00.580 get through two episodes of breaking i got through two and then i i didn't really want to watch it

00:34:04.020 if you want i guess let's force watch it cliff get in here man what are you thinking yeah it is

00:34:09.300 the best uh gif or jif whatever we don't have that argument ever for door knocking which is

00:34:14.700 the walter white i am the one who knocks you gotta that's true that is a good point no there

00:34:22.080 was somebody that did a took all the seasons and did a super cut and and and and put them into like

00:34:30.700 three hours yeah and made it like a cinematic movie and it was out on the internet i think

00:34:35.860 you still find it like on so you could just get like straight into your veins distilled version

00:34:40.460 no but they've said they said like i didn't get a chance to watch it but it's it's in like the

00:34:44.960 dark web or like pirates bay or whatever you could do like that download it but it's three hours and

00:34:49.940 it's supposed to be incredible like a full-length movie but it's all like and they've only taken the

00:34:54.880 most important parts but they they edited it perfectly i'll believe that when i see it by the

00:35:00.500 way we know it's great it's supposed to be like people watch it and they like people were like

00:35:04.000 raving about it was like a big deal by the way since we had that breaking bad clip this is this

00:35:08.280 is where we're headed sony actually just sent bite dance who are the guys uh they i believe is

00:35:14.380 bite dance the company that was also behind tiktok well they also are behind the c dance model and

00:35:19.320 they got a letter from sony that says you have to take all of our breaking bad and spider-man stuff

00:35:23.620 out of your ai training data i'm sure china will get right on that one uh but i think that's the

00:35:29.820 future like it's kind of interesting that the great the blocker on ai development might not be

00:35:35.400 computer chips it might not be science it might be input that all of the big legacy media output

00:35:40.980 lists are going to come in and get the courts to say you can't just take everyone's stuff and use

00:35:45.420 it yeah it's what it's garbage in garbage out so but it right now they're stealing the best stuff

00:35:51.480 that human beings have ever created and using that to generate their ai models so if you block

00:35:57.260 successfully what they're able to ingest it would beg to you know i it could be a way to block some

00:36:04.980 and that could be what's actually interesting is i can see a positive outcome here where that is

00:36:10.800 actually what causes more original stuff to be made using ai because let's say they win and they

00:36:15.980 say okay you can't use a bunch of this pre-existing stuff in the training data as a result ai becomes

00:36:21.860 really bad at replicating batman superman star wars what have you but it's better at more generic

00:36:29.620 stuff and so they use the generic output stuff okay here's star battles and it's totally different

00:36:36.540 from star wars it's interesting also to me that your upper midwest accents takes takes that word

00:36:41.780 generic generic or something generic generic i say it with a long e this is this this is my white

00:36:49.640 person folk way that's this is a different way i don't recognize this way my white culture is

00:36:54.360 pronouncing things the way god intended all right the way a south i think this kind of melds really

00:36:58.500 well with the next topic social media ban for kids i think this is uh fascinating well we can't

00:37:04.380 quite move on that before we do that we have to have the goat and the exploding gas station so

00:37:08.200 really quick play 588 the exploding gas station sure i'll take those please you need to pay for

00:37:14.360 those oh uh i seem to have forgotten my money you would ban children from accessing social media to

00:37:30.660 view that clip i just think it's a fascinating debate and we should have it uh why don't we

00:37:35.780 play 598 this on a polina luna hr 7399 to prohibit users who are under the age of 13 from accessing

00:37:43.040 social media to prohibit the use of personalized recommendation systems on individuals under age

00:37:47.520 17 and limit the use of social media in schools so there's three parts to that if you're under 13

00:37:55.000 no social media at all to prohibit the use of personalized recommendation systems

00:37:59.640 on those under 17 and limit the use of social media in schools is this good or bad cliff maloney

00:38:06.580 gosh uh you're our getting we all get to like pile on when you say something that we disagree

00:38:14.120 with yeah my my views on this have vastly shifted in the last five years you know i used to be much

00:38:19.880 more libertarian and think you know the government shouldn't get involved but honestly i think a lot

00:38:24.600 of this stems from the idea that if there's one thing the government should do it should be to

00:38:27.740 protect those under the age of 18 you know we've seen that with all the transition surgeries and 0.87

00:38:32.380 all the woke bs with that ruining people's lives cigarettes guns i'm on board i do think it's the 0.99

00:38:39.400 one thing uh that the government should come in and you know set some parameters to make sure the

00:38:44.680 kids are not getting mind warped uh at you know 10 years old not a republican government

00:38:51.120 what's your take a republican government should not do that my people would be so pissed my take

00:38:58.100 is that social media

00:39:00.320 was a mistake.

00:39:03.600 We should ban all social media

00:39:05.120 and if someone tries to recreate it,

00:39:07.520 they get the death penalty.

00:39:08.940 Okay.

00:39:09.440 You're caught with an Instagram-like

00:39:13.680 app in your home

00:39:15.380 computer lab.

00:39:16.300 Tyler has kids.

00:39:18.480 Tyler, to ban or not to ban?

00:39:21.520 Like you, I have children.

00:39:25.620 We kept our kids

00:39:27.660 so my oldest kid is 17 which is crazy he has had a phone since he was 12 or 13 which was too early

00:39:39.060 his mom wanted him to have a phone because of getting a hold of him but we had it on lockdown

00:39:44.880 so he couldn't download any apps he was not allowed to download social media till he turned 16

00:39:50.780 so i'm kind of like okay with it because like i personally in my own house was like i don't think

00:39:57.100 i didn't want my kids on social media before they turned 13 i don't think like i if it was

00:40:02.260 up to me i probably wouldn't have given my kids i wouldn't give my kids a cell phone until they're

00:40:05.560 16 but so what's i'm a little old school okay one thing i think we could all agree on and maybe we

00:40:12.180 can't i don't know but i would think banning so i'm i'm like for full ban of tablets devices phones

00:40:19.160 at school yeah 100 or restaurants and they they basically they basically found that within about

00:40:26.060 six months kids start acting like

00:40:28.060 students did like in 2000

00:40:29.820 or 2005 so they revert back

00:40:32.100 they actually get their attention spans back

00:40:33.860 they're cool and they start smoking cigarettes

00:40:35.760 yeah they're gambling out in the 0.81

00:40:38.200 quad with Black and Miles

00:40:40.160 and Cliff they're playing Pogs

00:40:41.500 Pogs came back

00:40:44.240 wow

00:40:44.720 when we talk about banning phones

00:40:48.100 in schools it's always the focus is on the kids but we

00:40:50.080 actually need to make the parents more

00:40:52.040 normal too because when they've tried to do this

00:40:54.120 in some schools, they get so much pushback

00:40:56.480 from the parents who flip out.

00:40:57.920 I can't immediately contact my child at all times.

00:41:01.500 No, you can have a phone in a backpack or something.

00:41:05.660 But honestly, I...

00:41:07.380 Keep it in your locker.

00:41:09.140 I think an old-fashioned way,

00:41:11.760 if your parents need to reach you,

00:41:13.420 call the school and the school will get you.

00:41:14.920 Yeah, but they're going to push back

00:41:16.360 because of school shootings or whatever.

00:41:19.240 Pagers.

00:41:20.560 Whatever.

00:41:21.620 Honestly, what they should do

00:41:23.060 is you can have a phone,

00:41:24.260 but it has to be a flip phone. 0.99

00:41:25.800 It has to be a dumb phone, 0.98

00:41:26.860 not a smartphone. 0.99

00:41:27.760 No, just keep it in your locker.

00:41:28.840 You can access it at lunch.

00:41:29.980 No, but if there's a school shooting,

00:41:31.420 you in theory couldn't get to your locker.

00:41:32.740 If there's a school shooting,

00:41:33.240 them having the phone

00:41:34.420 isn't going to save their lives.

00:41:36.000 Can I blow your mind right now?

00:41:37.560 We're not that far away from...

00:41:39.800 So I just had this thought that came to me,

00:41:42.840 and I don't really understand it.

00:41:44.680 When my phone's on airplane mode,

00:41:46.800 why can't I set a setting

00:41:48.100 so that it automatically texts people who call me

00:41:50.640 and tells them that I'm on a plane

00:41:52.900 if it's i'm on airplane anyways this is this brings me to this point is we're not that far

00:41:57.560 away from when kids are at school they're being an automatic setting that locks down their phone

00:42:04.080 essentially by being there where you can still make calls like a flip phone but you can't do

00:42:09.680 any of the data like you could probably a state could probably pass a law but it's like the

00:42:13.900 technology is not that far off no it's probably there already you're there like you just like you

00:42:18.300 you can't do data you have airplane you have airplane mode you have school mode yes there

00:42:22.360 should be a thing there's like there should be a little a little toggle yeah but that's you can't

00:42:26.020 do an opt-in it has to be like no you're in this you can force but you can force it with the g

00:42:29.860 tyler's right you can do this so there's a company called brick okay and so you it like sticks onto

00:42:35.120 your fridge yeah and so a lot of gen z people are addicted to social media so they buy this company

00:42:41.100 called brick and what you do is when you get home for the day all you do is you take your phone and

00:42:45.500 you touch it to the brick it's like a little box and it automatically shuts off and locks all social

00:42:52.000 media on your phone for six hours or five hours or two hours you can preset it so there can be

00:42:57.080 companies that once you enter school you brick your phone at the door so no social media is allowed

00:43:03.080 no texting is allowed only a phone call to your parent like only phone calls right sounds awesome

00:43:09.240 yeah so you can do that that is a thing tyler's right so we do that's like a person where they

00:43:13.640 touch the brick and they can't talk for six hours so this is totally tension but this is totally

00:43:17.240 plausible right now like we should be able to do that you know there's gonna be all these civil

00:43:20.000 libertarians like uh um like cliff that are going to be already gaming out how this gets

00:43:25.560 you know abused by the censors or whatever i think schools so here's my baseline schools

00:43:31.940 kids got to be learning from books old school books and here's but here's the tension a lot

00:43:37.600 of schools have run into is they'll institute a a phone ban or a device ban in the school but then

00:43:44.660 they'll give them homework that requires a device in order to complete it and this so this is a

00:43:49.440 central tension is we tell all these schools hey no no phones none of this but we also want you to

00:43:56.300 be the at the cutting edge of ai we want to be the cutting edge of programming and and all these

00:44:00.680 you know so how do you bridge that divide how do you square that circle because our kids are

00:44:08.200 getting good at these things that'll be the the tools of the future when they're young but if you

00:44:13.240 block them from developing those skills then we're not going to be leading those fields yeah no i

00:44:20.200 agree i don't know all i can think is i don't know that there's any top ai person or really any top

00:44:25.440 computer person in general who got there because of their public school computer programming class

00:44:31.880 that they took to fill their elective in high school i don't know it's it's it's also emergent

00:44:36.560 it's it's tough to know exactly where the next iterations are going i mean the ai world right

00:44:41.820 now is essentially progressed by about 200 engineers or across the world there's like

00:44:45.820 200 people that are just in india waiting for us like literally 200 people that are advancing the

00:44:50.800 field dramatically so it drives the best computer engineers that makes me feel like i'm back in

00:45:00.520 dallas again um whole neighborhoods of dallas by the way so zuzu's pedals has another rumble

00:45:08.000 rant she says we have so many videos of bullies beating up a kid in school and it's the camera

00:45:12.980 phone that happened to uh catch it so they could post it and uh no social media in school

00:45:19.600 uh oh wait the so the camera phone was on waiting for it to happen to post it so i think she's

00:45:25.120 saying we shouldn't have social media in school because people are literally beating other kids 0.69

00:45:29.020 up no that's true posted on social media like that one black girl that just absolutely beat up

00:45:33.960 that that young white girl on the other hand it exposes those it does expose things i think a lot

00:45:39.300 of crazy left-wing teachers get caught because of recordings in school well that's why we should

00:45:43.360 just have cameras in classrooms well how about you keep the camera on and you keep the phones on

00:45:49.260 and everything else is off what if all classrooms were just a permanent panopticon you could just

00:45:54.460 log into any class in america and watch it nice every single teacher is 100 of the time just 0.71

00:46:02.260 visible we'd smoke out a lot of wokies that way we would smoke out a lot of things but these poor

00:46:07.420 teachers couldn't do anything the most conservative teachers would have like woke parents down their 0.93

00:46:12.700 neck like why are you saying this about the constitution it would be it would be mayhem

00:46:19.740 actually but but we brought i mean this is what happened during covid is that we saw a lot of

00:46:24.400 what our students were learning across the country people were outraged i think it would i think it

00:46:28.700 certainly demystify a lot of what modern education is like i it's very clear a lot of people are

00:46:34.880 attached to like one good teacher they had 30 years ago and that informs their entire understanding

00:46:40.520 of how modern education works.

00:46:41.420 They totally black out all the bad ones.

00:46:42.780 That's true, that's true.

00:46:43.620 But I think this is really interesting

00:46:45.120 because it kind of plays into another topic here.

00:46:50.240 We're talking, of course, about civil liberties.

00:46:53.320 We're talking about the concern

00:46:54.860 that we might be censoring people

00:46:56.360 if we put social media bans on people.

00:46:58.340 By the way, this whole thing is happening

00:47:00.180 at a court house, a superior court in Los Angeles

00:47:03.520 where Meta and Google are getting sued

00:47:05.840 because a young woman named KGM,

00:47:08.780 this is her acronym in the courthouse, 0.99

00:47:10.520 Assuming that they've made it too addictive 0.83

00:47:12.800 And that she has depression, anxiety

00:47:14.960 By the way, all of which is true 1.00

00:47:16.360 Young women, especially that go on social media

00:47:18.300 Have massive spikes in anxiety and all this stuff

00:47:20.460 So there is a downside

00:47:22.400 This is very real

00:47:23.560 They're delusional, Andrew

00:47:26.200 They're delusional

00:47:27.560 Who is? 1.00

00:47:30.100 Women on the internet 1.00

00:47:31.500 They are 1.00

00:47:32.720 They're definitely not doing great

00:47:36.040 They're not doing great

00:47:37.020 No, Jim bros and a lot of women are not in a great place. 0.99

00:47:42.380 That's true.

00:47:43.620 But then we have Thomas Massey, who is a libertarian-minded Kentucky congressman who is now at odds with President Trump.

00:47:52.520 Basically, the whole Trump administration.

00:47:54.100 I mean, they love to tee off on this guy.

00:47:56.360 Is that what's going on?

00:47:58.140 So we did get – I wanted to get this.

00:48:00.140 So J.M. Denton donated $50.

00:48:02.260 Thank you very much, J.M.

00:48:03.240 And he said this. Thomas Massey is a grandstander. His principles are only present when convenient. See his votes against funding the wall and what those show.

00:48:16.360 Meanwhile, his principles didn't stop Biden's continuing resolution. So that's what I will say to that point.

00:48:23.000 Thomas Massey did not seem to care about the Epstein files when President Biden was in office.

00:48:29.960 Yeah. What do you what do you have to say, Cliff?

00:48:33.240 Sounds like your number one best friend is being criticized.

00:48:38.220 Cliff's going to be like that.

00:48:39.760 Did you see this week the episode?

00:48:41.620 He's like, what?

00:48:43.120 Oh, yeah.

00:48:43.680 He's like, I can't hear the question.

00:48:46.900 You're mic cut out.

00:48:49.320 He's breaking up here.

00:48:51.400 I love Thomas Massey.

00:48:54.140 He loves Thomas Massey.

00:48:55.800 There it is.

00:48:56.940 I do love Thomas Massey.

00:48:59.040 I think on the Epstein thing,

00:49:00.420 I think a lot of people have cherry picked some of the, well, he wasn't that vocal during Biden.

00:49:07.060 He was able to get it through.

00:49:08.560 The president signed the bill.

00:49:10.300 I think there's been a lot of drop balls here.

00:49:12.240 I think there's a lot of things that, you know, we could have done differently.

00:49:15.500 Massey could have done some of the things differently.

00:49:18.460 But I think it's so easy for people.

00:49:20.460 What I get mad at is that the Republican establishment always puts him in a position or him plus a couple of the Freedom Caucus members to be the ones that have to make the tough vote because they put up some sort of moderate bill, right?

00:49:34.880 It's never Don Bacon.

00:49:36.200 It's never Don Bacon that has to be the one or two no votes because the bill was too conservative or too Trumpy.

00:49:43.100 And I think that's why I always do stick with Thomas, because I think a lot of the things he's doing, people can argue, well, he's too principled and we only have a one or two seat majority.

00:49:53.140 OK, you can make that argument. But like, why aren't we testing the moderates instead of having to test the people that I would argue are much more America first?

00:50:03.240 That bothers me.

00:50:05.120 That's a fair point. I hear that.

00:50:07.640 um i'm trying to think of actual examples tyler might know this better than i would because you

00:50:13.060 run the scorecard over turning point action oh i can give you i can give you tommy thomas

00:50:17.640 tommy massey's uh current score hey are you interested yeah while you're pulling that up

00:50:23.620 do you buy into this whole theory that he's changed since he got remarried cliff

00:50:28.220 uh i was at his wedding so i think i'm positioned to answer this uh no and i don't appreciate you

00:50:36.400 know certain people taking shots at his new wife she's wonderful um and i think a lot of people

00:50:41.260 have kind of cherry-picked uh i'll say this and he might not like that i say this but at the

00:50:45.660 ceremony you know they talked about his ex or his uh his wife next away ronda and i thought it was

00:50:51.160 i thought it was beautiful um because a lot of people try to jump on the fact that he got

00:50:54.940 remarried too quickly he was one of the best husbands to ronda the best dad i totally believe

00:51:00.600 i believe that completely that i've ever met and he did everything right started dating carolyn a

00:51:05.800 couple you know after she passed away um so that bothers me a lot that people have kind of gone low

00:51:12.040 on that issue and what's carolyn supposed to do you know when these things are blown up like she

00:51:17.100 has no way to respond and so no i don't think he's changed at all he's one of the best people i know

00:51:21.760 and you know he's been principled in congress for years but now it matters because we have such a

00:51:27.200 majority i will say this is something i had forgotten about but i remember being very upset

00:51:32.560 about it at the time and it's really irking me again to be reminded of it right after right after

00:51:38.880 Charlie's death they asked Massey about it and he said he said everyone needed to turn down their

00:51:44.120 rhetoric but especially the president where he complained that he said there is a lot of rhetoric

00:51:49.600 and the president himself engages in it he called it a hostile act to co-sponsor the Epstein

00:51:55.320 resolution and maybe I'm being nitpicky because it's something so personally close to me but

00:52:01.780 i don't really like that massey took a left winger murdering charlie and said yeah but like let's

00:52:10.000 remember that the president got mad at me for co-sponsoring an epstein resolution i didn't like

00:52:15.880 that yeah it seems like so cliff i actually totally ascribe to a couple things i think

00:52:23.900 thomas massey is a remarkable man i think he is unique the stuff he does at his home living off

00:52:29.980 the grid and that's all cool that's all very cool and i think he was a great husband i think he's a

00:52:35.080 great family man i think he has a stellar personal sort of like there's no skeletons in thomas

00:52:40.000 massey's closet if you will but it does feel like he's become so animated especially after trump

00:52:47.820 came after him and maybe listen i you know i know that that probably came with personal cost i know

00:52:54.440 that that probably has increased his security detail and i know that those wounds go go deep

00:52:59.800 deep when you when you feel actually afraid for your own life because somebody of prominence is

00:53:05.700 attacking you i understand that intimately but it does feel like he's kind of animated by

00:53:14.740 this feud with president trump and it's kind of clouding some of the the messaging some of the

00:53:20.540 judgment some of what he majors on and it does kind of feel like you know he's against us now

00:53:26.760 in a general i mean i would say he there was that blow up on the internet i actually was confused

00:53:32.880 about it too he voted no on the rule but he eventually voted yes on the save act so i think

00:53:36.220 some of it gets lost in disinformation online but that's that's my that's my vibe yeah i i would say

00:53:44.420 this you know thomas massey's actually been a friend of the organization for a long time he

00:53:48.360 I spoke at a ton of Turning Point events.

00:53:51.720 Came on our show.

00:53:52.360 Similar to Rand Paul.

00:53:53.660 Came on the show.

00:53:53.960 Same type of thing is that there's been this departure over the course of the last year during the next Trump presidency where there's just been some vitriol pointed at the president.

00:54:09.380 And some of it's a little bit concerning to me because, and again, this is a similar type of conversation.

00:54:15.160 and and you know this isn't pointed at uh you know just pointed at cliff here but you know

00:54:23.140 there there's purist like republican libertarianism where it's like there's some things that

00:54:31.560 i think ram paul and thomas massey have done that are exquisite and it's pulled the party

00:54:38.580 more to the right and it's good and it's really it's really healthy and it's really good and i

00:54:42.560 I like the policies that some elected officials and legislative bodies have where they just vote no on everything because they don't believe that the government should grow and that they shouldn't be passing anything.

00:54:51.920 And that's generally been the M.O. of Thomas Massey.

00:54:55.140 Well, he's crossed some lines.

00:54:57.220 Well, I know I'm saying, but over the course of this last year in particular, there's been a little bit of a departure.

00:55:03.360 But there's signs of this that are a little bit challenging because, you know, there was some there's some jockeying and brokering that happened in Kentucky that I don't like.

00:55:12.380 and this is specific to these two gentlemen because there's a lot of like wheeling and

00:55:16.660 dealing with the McConnell people and like they basically had like like again a truce that in

00:55:23.640 that state and Cliff can speak a little bit more to this I won't put him on the spot to speak to

00:55:28.300 why as to why but like where Mitch McConnell really wouldn't attack Rand Paul Rand Paul

00:55:32.620 wouldn't attack Mitch McConnell and you know and again that was not like a hundred percent because

00:55:38.720 Rand Paul would have you know some words about policies that they use but they wouldn't attack

00:55:43.780 each other and I don't think that was helpful in Kentucky like I think it's Kentucky you have two

00:55:48.540 of the most pro-liberty guys and at the same time you have one of the worst representations of the

00:55:55.500 DC Swamp and Mitch McConnell and now you have a situation too where it's like they've kind of

00:56:00.920 stayed out of this race for and I could be totally wrong about this but from what I've seen they've

00:56:06.180 largely stayed out of this race to replace mitch mcconnell and that that doesn't help and i i'm a

00:56:11.940 little bit more of like a pragmatist when it comes to this is like we want the most conservative guy

00:56:16.380 possible getting elected and use your muscle for good i just think like my all this to say

00:56:23.060 instead of attacking donald trump which you're not going to change the president by attacking

00:56:26.940 donald trump if you're thomas massey but what can you do at home well you could get you know a really

00:56:31.720 great guy elected in the u.s senate to replace mitch mcconnell and are you doing are you spending

00:56:36.920 all of your political capital to do that no he's not spending he's doing this instead

00:56:41.040 watch this clip 603 well that's what bothers me donald trump told us that even though you know

00:56:48.740 he he had dinner with these kinds of people in new york city and west palm beach that he would

00:56:55.240 be transparent but he's not he's still in with the epstein class this is the epstein administration

00:57:00.960 and they're attacking me for trying to get these files released.

00:57:05.720 And again, I'm going to say President Trump has not been accused of anything criminal.

00:57:10.360 I think there is a lot of truth to just, unfortunately, Massey's had friction with

00:57:16.420 President Trump all the way back to his first term. Trump was trying to primary him out even

00:57:19.980 then over he wasn't voting for stuff the president wanted. And I think a very real trend is when

00:57:26.660 someone, when a lot of people get in friction with President Trump, you can see some people,

00:57:31.280 they handle it better than others. Like there are some senators who've had big spats. I think

00:57:36.120 even Lindsey Graham's had some spats with Trump and he just, he glides with it. He knows what he

00:57:39.900 wants and he's very good at getting back in the president's graces and just deals with it and so

00:57:44.060 on. And others, they're very aware. Okay. Sometimes Trump fixates on people and that's just how it is.

00:57:49.020 But for some people, they get in it with Trump. And after that, it just gradually curdles

00:57:55.680 everything and it starts to consume everything about them you know what the difference is 0.87

00:57:59.660 you're totally right and we go back to white culture i was thinking of like albion seed or

00:58:04.140 whatever right how actually he's a border it's because he's a border no so here's the thing

00:58:08.160 look at compare thomas massey's reaction to trump attacks to marco rubio's yeah marco rubio latin

00:58:16.960 little cuban so you can do it if you want although that's a mexican song but the point is he's let

00:58:24.500 it roll off they put it they put the they buried the hatchet as it were and now marco's like a

00:58:29.740 rocket ship whereas thomas massey he's he's like you know appalachia he's he's like a he's he's an

00:58:38.500 honor society guy you're right that different people handle it differently but i don't know

00:58:43.120 that i'd associate a cuban with burying the hatchet and not caring about that well i think

00:58:49.780 he cared obviously for a while but he's he's much more sort of like sly and uh i think listen they

00:58:57.200 buried the hatchet that's the bottom line massey has got that honor culture and trump came after

00:59:02.840 his honor and he's gonna like you don't just bury that hatchet yeah he's from kentucky he's from i

00:59:08.960 think is that where the hatfields and mccoys were go ahead uh well i think that was west virginia

00:59:12.880 wasn't it same type of country yeah but it's similar yeah go ahead cliff yeah so two two

00:59:17.820 major things to not push back on but to at least respond with number one i don't think massey has

00:59:22.660 changed in terms of his his voting pattern at all i think what's changed is that the margins are so

00:59:28.180 narrow that now him being mr no ramifications for the trump administration for you know passing

00:59:34.280 legislation it's real right ron paul voted no for years but guess what we had a 20 seat advantage

00:59:39.200 for most of the time that he was in right or they were in the minority and just it didn't matter

00:59:43.700 So I think that's number one. Number two, I think the line in the sand, you know, the difference here is that when Trump decided to go all in against Massey, what do politicians do when they're fighting for their political life? Right. They're going to figure out ways that they can kind of push back. And this is not a shot at Thomas, but we teach this. Right. What do politicians care about? They care about getting elected, reelected and elected to higher office. Right. That's all. Even the good guys. That's what they do.

01:00:09.580 So his path to getting reelected is he can't align with Trump if Trump's going after him every single day.

01:00:16.900 He's able to raise money on certain things because he's, you know, they're amplifying when he's, I don't want to say anti-Trump, but yes, I think we're seeing much more of the rhetoric.

01:00:27.380 But I always say to people, like, what do you expect when your political life's on the line?

01:00:31.020 Either A, you retire, or B, you fight to try to win.

01:00:34.860 I think Thomas Massey wins his reelection with 55 to 60 points.

01:00:38.560 That's what I think.

01:00:39.580 I could be wrong.

01:00:40.680 Oh, I think he's going to win.

01:00:42.860 And, you know, over the next couple of months for the May 19th primary.

01:00:46.780 But I think if he wins, my dream, let me say this, I'll say this for Rand and for Thomas,

01:00:54.400 my dream is we get through this cycle, you know, we can make amends, bring together more

01:00:59.580 of a better coalition that's America first.

01:01:02.200 I know you guys laugh about it now, but there have been a lot of people that have kind of

01:01:05.120 come full circle. And I'd like to expose the moderates, not the people that are far right.

01:01:11.100 But that's, but that's goes back to my point. That's like, so that's, what's so frustrating

01:01:15.060 is that, you know, Rand did the truce thing with Mitch, which was, and again, I'm not trying to

01:01:23.160 put you on the spot cliff. So I'm not expecting a response from you because we love you. And I

01:01:27.700 want to do that to you. Um, but it's, you know, it's like, you know, Rand could have used his

01:01:33.180 political capital to go after mitch you know all for all these years and from time to time i i think

01:01:41.120 it's easy i think it's a cheap shot you know to go after the president you know it's a cheap it's

01:01:47.060 a cheap shot to know that we only have a couple of um a couple seat majority you know in both

01:01:54.540 chambers you know and and to use that leverage that against the the president's administration

01:02:00.960 uh it's it's the harder to go after the moderates it's harder to take out the moderates and make

01:02:09.220 this country a better place by going after the uniparty and and again that's not to say that

01:02:15.720 both of these guys haven't been warriors on that it's they haven't been focused enough warriors 0.99

01:02:21.760 and the left is really good at going after our people in a focused way where they don't do this

01:02:28.660 kind of stuff they they never like joe biden couldn't turn on a light switch in the white

01:02:35.520 house by himself you know at the end of his term and his party wasn't attacking him they're like

01:02:42.360 oh he's so great you know we're gonna miss him so much i was so i mean they did oust him from

01:02:48.340 the president no but no he no that's not what they said they were like that was so brave of him

01:02:53.600 to step down like that was so brave and our side is like our best warriors you know can't remain 0.70

01:03:00.780 focused enough to go after the radical commie left and the uniparty who's aiding those guys

01:03:06.400 so that's my that's my one big thing and i know that's exactly what you're saying in so many ways

01:03:11.280 cliff is that like i i have that dream too is that like hopefully you know people will win and that's

01:03:17.700 what elections are for primary elections are for and then everyone can lay off and then they can

01:03:21.420 be friends again and trump's really good at that he's really good at being like oh well you know

01:03:25.400 now we're friends again and we figured out ways to work together and and he's always actually

01:03:30.400 been really good at that and he deserves a lot of credit if that happens but i'm a little bit

01:03:34.540 worried that you know if if it goes the other direction and let's say you know something bad

01:03:39.480 happens and he loses right like that people are going to be like pick up you know take their ball

01:03:44.440 and go home type thing and the liberty community within the republican party is super important

01:03:48.900 in a lot of different states for the republican party to survive and be good and they're a big

01:03:54.040 part of maha and there's a big part of uh a big elements of like kind of the the neo you know

01:04:00.760 you know trump 2.0 world that we have here that i think is really unhealthy for the direction that

01:04:08.300 we could go if we don't have them as part of the table so i i'm actually horrified by the idea

01:04:12.780 that that could happen because i don't that i think that fractures the party he's gonna win

01:04:18.200 I think he's going to win.

01:04:18.780 Yeah, I think he's going to win, too.

01:04:20.080 But your point's made.

01:04:21.480 He makes the coalition stronger if we can all sort of sing from the same song.

01:04:25.640 But yeah, to close point, if they don't come together,

01:04:28.560 we're still fractured as if he lost.

01:04:31.700 Right?

01:04:31.940 So you have a situation here where it's like, guys,

01:04:35.920 the Republican Party has to realize we're kind of like kids in gym

01:04:39.920 in elementary school when we had that big parachute tarp thing

01:04:45.400 that they made all American kids. 0.69

01:04:47.100 circle talk about white culture full circle here like they made all of us like you lift it up and

01:04:52.820 you pull it down and everybody's under there for a few seconds everyone's like we're all friends

01:04:57.280 everything's great like everyone's but it takes everybody to do that together for it to work

01:05:01.920 that's a big tent party you just described it's it's a it's a pe parachute party is the parachute

01:05:08.340 party i i mean i don't like big tent we're pe parachute what percentage of the conservative

01:05:13.380 movement cliff do you think is kind of like this liberty movement this libertarian right

01:05:17.940 you know segment of it well i i separate it by people that live in reality and don't right if

01:05:24.640 you're not willing to vote republican then you know i don't put you in that that camp of like

01:05:28.980 hey you're a realist you understand that losers don't legislate like either you get that or you

01:05:33.960 don't right so i think it's probably a solid 10 to 20 percent of the republican wing is what i

01:05:41.080 would call still tea party liberty it's not 50 percent right i mean most people this is not a

01:05:45.760 shot at voters but as we all know most republican voters are working class trying to put food on

01:05:50.940 the table taking their kids to basketball practice right they're not ideologues but i think it is

01:05:56.260 somewhere between 10 10 to 20 percent that i would consider to be hardcore liberty slash tea party

01:06:01.240 slash hey the debt's a problem uh we need less government well i wish it was more yeah that's

01:06:06.500 Charlie used to be a little bit more libertarian-minded,

01:06:11.740 but then he started raging against it

01:06:13.160 because he thought a lot of bad ideas worked their way

01:06:15.340 into the conservative movement because of it.

01:06:17.900 But it doesn't mean that it's all bad.

01:06:20.540 Some of the abstractions are pretty fun to think through.

01:06:22.780 But yeah, to your point, if they're realists,

01:06:25.400 then we can work with them.

01:06:27.460 And the question with Thomas Massey is,

01:06:29.880 say you get a new president there,

01:06:31.640 will he be willing to work with a J.D. Vance or a Marco Rubio?

01:06:36.500 No, no, no. It's an interesting question.

01:06:39.580 I think I think 2028 J.D. Vance, you know, let's God willing gets in the White House. Right.

01:06:45.380 I think you're going to see a big liberty push. I think J.D. is going to embrace a lot of it.

01:06:49.960 And that doesn't mean he's disagreeing with Trump. I'm just saying I just think the timing of that.

01:06:53.520 If Massey and Rand are in, I think the freedom call is I think J.D. is going to be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.

01:06:59.600 And I think it's going to be a huge opportunity. But like Tyler said, if it doesn't happen under J.D., it's not going to happen.

01:07:04.900 I mean, I would argue for 30 or 40 years that the actual limited government wing has a voice.

01:07:11.040 This is probably the biggest opportunity we have.

01:07:12.720 And right now, everybody's fighting, which is a problem.

01:07:16.220 Yes, it is.

01:07:17.540 All right.

01:07:18.200 Final topic.

01:07:19.320 Well, we wanted to read this.

01:07:21.140 We talked about it a little bit the other day, but we really need to marinate in the lovely poetry of perennial Charlie Punching Bag, Eric Swalwell.

01:07:28.660 who's by the way the leading they have they do a jungle primary in california and he's the leading

01:07:33.920 dem i'll take it the sad thing is is i'll take it there's some really bad dems in that pile

01:07:38.900 who's the girl we're talking about uh porter yeah porter i can't make fun of porter as much

01:07:43.300 i i a lot of people got upset because we made fun of potato porter's appearance too much so i will

01:07:47.920 not make any comments on porter's appearance listen listen you won't you call ugly ugly all

01:07:53.300 Right. And Eric Swalwell is stupid. 1.00

01:07:55.820 I mean, he's just a I mean, it is curvy. 1.00

01:07:59.020 It is scary that that could be a governor.

01:08:02.620 Like if Eric Swalwell can become a governor of his day, I mean, in no in no normal country do they let guys like Eric Swalwell become governor.

01:08:14.860 Yeah. Well, we're not a normal country.

01:08:16.740 We're the United States of America.

01:08:18.140 What I love about this story, by the way, is that Eric Swalwell's old poetry was discovered by a big favorite of mine.

01:08:23.960 It was conservative filmmaker Joel Gilbert.

01:08:26.660 That name will not mean anything to anyone, but Joel Gilbert did the Trayvon hoax.

01:08:32.340 Does anyone know about that one?

01:08:33.640 He also did the Michelle Obama's going to run for president.

01:08:39.960 That one didn't pan out as much.

01:08:41.720 But the Trayvon hoax is a must watch because he basically proves that the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman trial engaged in witness fraud.

01:08:52.860 Rachel Jantel, they had her as Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, and it was a total imposter case.

01:08:58.760 They were faking everything, and he proves it stone cold.

01:09:01.320 You can find it.

01:09:01.940 I think it's on YouTube somewhere.

01:09:03.520 You can watch it.

01:09:04.320 Proves it stone cold.

01:09:05.300 Anyway, this guy went.

01:09:06.800 He's a great friendly autist, as I like to say.

01:09:09.640 He's really a big details guy

01:09:11.380 He really dives into it

01:09:12.320 And he went and he dug up all the old college writings

01:09:15.060 Of Eric Swalwell

01:09:16.220 Which includes this lovely poem

01:09:19.620 That he published

01:09:20.800 If you have children watching this show

01:09:24.120 For whatever reason you may want to

01:09:25.560 Lead them away

01:09:26.180 It is not entirely appropriate

01:09:27.600 But it is funny 1.00

01:09:28.400 Hungover from Burgundy

01:09:30.800 And there beauty was

01:09:33.180 Can we get a music track here?

01:09:34.720 If we have any smooth jazz

01:09:38.100 Look at that guy

01:09:39.620 Now picture this man reading this to you

01:09:42.500 Imagine this man on a stage

01:09:44.220 He's doing this at a poetry slam

01:09:46.660 At whatever school

01:09:47.920 Campbell University

01:09:49.260 Hungover from Burgundy

01:09:50.520 And there beauty was

01:09:52.900 Formless and magnificent

01:09:54.780 A flurry of limbs and nails 1.00

01:09:57.720 She chased and I ran 1.00

01:10:00.360 I chased and she ran 1.00

01:10:03.000 Atop my hotel she stopped 1.00

01:10:05.340 And I leapt for cloth and tan 1.00

01:10:08.020 My anxious arm, she bit

01:10:10.180 My scar is beautiful 1.00

01:10:11.800 While I screamed, she bent her lips to mine 1.00

01:10:15.480 Kissing till veins imploded and exploded 1.00

01:10:19.640 Till blood rolled down our chins

01:10:23.040 For bounded mouths cannot speak of parting

01:10:26.780 In the morning, I awoke beside beauty's shadow 0.62

01:10:30.460 Her form sloppy, her legs pale

01:10:33.980 My scar lost, my lips cracked and dry

01:10:37.860 and we groaned simultaneously.

01:10:41.200 Oh, gosh.

01:10:41.660 I just groaned. 0.99

01:10:42.540 Is this like weird vampire sex stuff? 0.99

01:10:46.460 Yeah, why is he biting? 0.95

01:10:47.680 I think they're drinking wine,

01:10:50.080 so it's burgundy, and it gets them animated.

01:10:52.680 But then they bite each other.

01:10:55.340 That's how I read it.

01:10:56.380 Yours is giving him way too much credit.

01:11:01.560 This is weird.

01:11:02.700 He's probably some weird vampire. 0.91

01:11:04.380 He's like rubbing himself on peanut butter 0.96

01:11:06.280 in the middle of the night. 0.96

01:11:07.220 he's some goober

01:11:09.380 there's something weird 1.00

01:11:10.700 he likes like female books 0.99

01:11:12.760 like vampire books 1.00

01:11:13.980 I bet he reads that trashy 0.96

01:11:15.880 what do you call those romance novels 1.00

01:11:18.560 that are basically female porn 0.99

01:11:19.880 I think he does 0.99

01:11:22.040 he actually wrote an op-ed

01:11:25.880 in the Campbell newspaper

01:11:27.220 saying I'm not a Republican

01:11:29.800 nor am I a Democrat

01:11:31.540 is there really a difference between an elephant

01:11:33.640 and a donkey

01:11:34.320 he also he also did columns like on his spring break trips and stuff you talk you talked about

01:11:41.260 going to cancun just uh why does it say the conservatives companion i don't i'm not sure

01:11:46.960 why i'm not sure why don't forget he did he consider himself he might have i don't i think

01:11:52.500 he might have rejected all labels maybe he was the most conservative guy they had at campbell

01:11:56.520 university yeah maybe that's a good sign for the california if he wins um but here's the thing he

01:12:04.320 Who's uglier, Eric Swalwell or Katie Porter?

01:12:08.280 Oh, come on. 0.79

01:12:09.600 Show that picture of him again.

01:12:10.800 Oh, come on.

01:12:12.240 He's got like...

01:12:13.020 He is pretty freaky.

01:12:14.300 There's some like smoothness going on.

01:12:18.180 Describe him, Andrew, with the music.

01:12:19.800 It just looks like...

01:12:21.460 There's just something...

01:12:25.360 The wrinkle of the chin.

01:12:26.580 There's like fat in the wrong places or something.

01:12:29.160 I can't...

01:12:30.020 I don't know.

01:12:30.760 It just...

01:12:31.320 I don't know.

01:12:32.700 Okay, well, we're going to get a very different voice.

01:12:34.800 This is him describing his trip to Cancun,

01:12:37.180 which instead of being poetry voice,

01:12:39.180 has to be, I guess, dude bro voice.

01:12:42.800 At each club, we did a stage show,

01:12:45.280 usually karaoke to various popular summer anthems,

01:12:48.560 but we were not limited to song and dance.

01:12:50.920 One club asked a friend and me

01:12:52.500 if we would be interested in being honorary guest judges

01:12:55.880 of the largest swimsuit contest in Cancun.

01:12:59.520 Being the opportunists that we are,

01:13:01.860 We gladly obliged

01:13:03.960 Other perks included

01:13:05.620 Unlimited jet skiing the whole week

01:13:08.280 Complimentary meals

01:13:09.780 At Fat Tuesdays

01:13:11.320 And a heavily discounted scuba diving trip

01:13:14.140 To Cozumel

01:13:15.220 And he goes on like that for several pages

01:13:17.820 So we have

01:13:18.900 Bro Eric Swalwell

01:13:20.680 The most horrifying picture

01:13:24.240 Ever taken

01:13:25.200 Was this one of

01:13:26.920 Swalwell and Ruben Gallego

01:13:30.140 Shirtless on camels

01:13:31.420 We got it.

01:13:32.200 We're just about to put it up.

01:13:33.580 There it is.

01:13:34.940 The swalwell on a camel.

01:13:37.440 Oh, yeah.

01:13:38.780 All right.

01:13:39.280 Who's that other guy?

01:13:40.220 Is that Ruben Gallego?

01:13:41.180 That's Ruben Gallego.

01:13:42.360 That's Fatty Gallego.

01:13:43.900 That's amazing.

01:13:44.740 I can't wait.

01:13:45.200 That's Ruben Marine Lorena.

01:13:46.940 His actual name.

01:13:48.460 That's his cartel.

01:13:49.900 Marine and Barack Obama.

01:13:51.040 Do you know this?

01:13:51.940 Hold on.

01:13:52.440 Is that Ralph Rue in the bottom of the front?

01:13:55.040 Ruben Gallego.

01:13:56.560 Ruben Gallego.

01:13:56.980 No, that's Malik.

01:13:58.760 That's Malik.

01:13:59.920 That's Malik Obama.

01:14:01.040 no no but no uh ruben his his actual name is ruben marine lorena he changed it because his

01:14:10.220 dad's a cartel you know felon well didn't he like leave his wife or something when she was pregnant

01:14:17.760 so no this is how crazy it is ruben's actual name that he just changed like a handful of years ago

01:14:22.840 his name is ruben marine lorena his dad was a cartel pawn he's like thrown in the slammer it's

01:14:30.020 like a total like it's like a real thing like you can google it's like everywhere this all makes

01:14:34.240 sense and he changed his name to his like stepdad's name or whatever gallego marries kate who is the

01:14:42.140 the mayor of phoenix her name's kate gallego now and uh and then they got divorced and she kept his

01:14:49.820 name so she's mayor gallego that wasn't even like a blood name he just changed his name but that

01:14:55.400 helps that probably helps her get elected in in as a democrat well yeah i mean it's just an easier

01:14:59.320 your name to remember so uh didn't he dump his wife when she was pregnant though uh it's like a

01:15:04.820 whole thing yeah yeah and then the other thing is uh so i ran into so i was i was doing a fox hit

01:15:11.080 in dc and i'm walking out and there's like a there's nbc there's all these other outlets that

01:15:15.820 are there i'm walking out and i i go past ruben gallego and i didn't even recognize him at first

01:15:22.440 i just heard people talking off to my side he's only four feet tall and yeah he's very short

01:15:27.580 That was the thing that shocked me.

01:15:29.040 You can easily miss him.

01:15:30.100 Yeah, it's how short he was.

01:15:31.220 Wait, where's Ruben?

01:15:32.020 And I heard a guy just swearing up a storm, like swearing like a sailor.

01:15:36.780 Bra, bra, bra, like three or four in a row.

01:15:39.380 And I look over, I'm like, dude, that's Ruben Gallego is just swearing like a sailor.

01:15:44.260 Right in the lobby to get into the Fox Bureau.

01:15:46.860 And I was like, that fits.

01:15:49.100 And now that I hear that he has cartel ties.

01:15:51.220 This is unrelated.

01:15:52.320 Did you see that?

01:15:53.160 Did you see all those love handles that Eric Swallow was hanging on to?

01:15:57.180 throw it up again i don't want it to be thrown up again they were sharing a camel at one point

01:16:01.980 i feel like and they were just you know it was just like it was right into the egyptian sunset

01:16:06.980 it was just eric swalwell and ruben guy i feel like eric swalwell needs a bro dude what if he

01:16:12.980 needs a bro it's top two it's top two obviously we want a republican to advance in california but

01:16:17.260 what if swalwell could get both of the top two spots because we could have dude bro eric swalwell

01:16:23.580 and we could have tender lover eric swalwell and the and then california voters could choose

01:16:28.880 between like ai swallow many we could have ai conservative the conservative option or whatever

01:16:34.680 he called himself this has been wonderful any go ahead last question is there any chance

01:16:40.620 the two republicans get the top two or is that math totally possible if the democrats don't drop

01:16:45.880 out there they just keep splitting the vote there's a chance but i mean it's very slim

01:16:50.860 what needs to happen based off a turnout one of the republicans needs to drop out and consolidate

01:16:55.760 and obviously charlie endorsed steve hilton so chad bianco we would be love we would just love for you

01:17:01.640 to consolidate forces right behind steve hilton and make sure we got a republican on that but i

01:17:07.000 would argue i think the best chance is honestly that idea of like because of the top two that

01:17:12.520 the voter registration numbers the reality is that for a republican to win and the general is like

01:17:17.800 almost is very difficult you're i mean you're like under a million votes yeah but we got voter

01:17:22.960 id on the ballot too there's gonna be a lot that is going to generate a lot of energy for the i

01:17:26.960 get i get it but what cliff's saying is like that would be an awesome situation if like steve and

01:17:33.460 chad managed to squeak out a situation where they make it through and in the top two primary that

01:17:39.900 may be the the reason why democrats want to eliminate the top two primary in a state like

01:17:45.340 california is if that happens because this type of thing may never happen again or for a long time

01:17:51.360 because democrats are really good at like trying to they game the system yeah scare everybody out

01:17:55.760 of the race so the dem usually the republicans in california they'll they'll they'll run like 15

01:18:00.160 candidates yeah and and then the democrats run like one or two and then the dems end up a lot

01:18:06.340 of times winning the top two in each of these in those races this is part of the reason why

01:18:10.320 the republican party has been eradicated in california there's the top two primaries javier

01:18:13.960 Becerra. You got Antonio Villaraigosa.

01:18:16.200 Do you know that Antonio, we're talking about last names

01:18:18.000 with Gallego, his last name used to be

01:18:20.240 Tony Villar.

01:18:22.300 And he literally changed it to get the

01:18:24.260 Hispanic vote when he ran for LA mayor

01:18:26.040 to Antonio Villaraigosa.

01:18:28.000 Robert Francis O'Rourke became

01:18:30.120 Beto. Meanwhile, Rafael Cruz

01:18:32.360 goes by Ted. I think that

01:18:34.000 is like the greatest illustration of American

01:18:36.580 sort of

01:18:38.580 politics. That's what I'm saying.

01:18:40.320 You get Hispanics always picking 1.00

01:18:42.220 up on uh white white trash like charlie would never tell her uh on a polina it's like wayne 0.99

01:18:49.080 just would call her on a polina because that was her name and then she added the luna to run in 0.97

01:18:52.720 florida let's you know that's neither here nor there it's um this has been fun cliff thanks for

01:18:58.660 joining us tonight on our thursday thought crime and uh tyler and actually i i missed a few so i'm

01:19:05.400 excited to be here yes no it's a lot of fun but you know who wasn't here was was jack and he's

01:19:10.280 been on every single episode so he wanted to make sure he would get involved so we did do a segment

01:19:16.560 what'd you talk about we talked about barack obama and whether he confirmed aliens existed

01:19:21.980 whether aliens do exist whether aliens should exist whether it might be good if they destroyed

01:19:26.000 us all trump chimed in on that today he did but unfortunately obama just you know disclosed some

01:19:31.900 classified material and he shouldn't have done that big trouble he might bail him out in thanks

01:19:36.220 well we don't have time travel ability so we weren't able to hit that but we hit a lot of

01:19:40.020 other very fun stuff so we'll make this transition by throwing to you and jack that guy himself

01:19:46.200 obama are aliens real uh they're real but i haven't seen them and and and uh they're not

01:19:54.640 being kept in uh what is it area 51 uh there's no underground uh facility unless there's this

01:20:03.460 enormous conspiracy and they they hid it from the president of the united states

01:20:08.040 jack whoa so i want to let everyone in on this so you know uh we're pre-recording this obviously

01:20:18.020 as you can see it is ash wednesday where i'm at uh i am currently with the president right now

01:20:24.620 probably on air force one at the moment um flying with him around on uh on this board of peace

01:20:31.040 situation and then going down to down to georgia for the uh for the speech that he's having over

01:20:37.440 there seeing if we're going to strike or ran anytime soon so doing all this yeah it occurs

01:20:42.100 to me jack by the time people remiss if i missed a thought crime so here i am virtually it does

01:20:47.920 it does occur to me jack by the time people see this and hear this like you we might be like deep

01:20:52.560 in it like you might be you know on the plane as they just like blow up tehran or whatever there

01:20:58.760 could be like really dramatic look at it this way like if there's anywhere you want to be it's air

01:21:02.100 force one right it's like literally the safest like the safest plane you could be on it's designed

01:21:06.780 to withstand but jack it's not where you want to be because you would want to be with us covering

01:21:12.220 it live because i assume we've got to be going live if that if that does in fact happen so

01:21:16.320 we'll see well we certainly know we certainly know that that's what charlie would have wanted

01:21:20.060 yes go live also i don't know how safe it would be because if president obama is telling the truth

01:21:27.240 and the aliens are real i'm pretty sure they could they could take out uh air force one like

01:21:32.560 they're just swatting down a fly so well so here's the thing though if he knows aliens are real but

01:21:37.940 they haven't revealed himself to obama then it's sort of like have they revealed themselves to

01:21:43.440 trump does trump know about the secret maybe what if they did that like they revealed themselves to

01:21:48.260 trump and he says like why didn't you reveal yourselves to obama and they're like well we

01:21:52.040 needed to wait for a real president or like a more or the aliens watch too much tv and too much

01:21:58.200 movies and they they they only think it's a real president if he looks more tv appropriate it's

01:22:04.780 kind of wasn't that the plot of that galaxy quest movie like it was a civilization that based itself

01:22:09.600 on watching star trek episodes that got beamed into space i think you're i haven't seen that

01:22:14.480 forever i think you're right though it was something like that i'm don't don't play dumb

01:22:20.260 with me jack i know i know that you're watching you've watched every single episode of star trek

01:22:25.180 i know you you're gonna i've watched okay so i've watched all of tng i've watched all of deep space

01:22:31.600 nine which is of course the best trek and i've watched most of enterprise but not the original

01:22:38.340 i've not watched all the original no okay all right i've seen i've seen probably except uh

01:22:44.700 beyond like the last the most recent of the jj abrams movies okay i've seen i think i've seen

01:22:50.500 about 15 to 20 tng episodes and that's it believe it or not jack i am not a big star trek guy

01:22:56.780 wow that is weird that is that i did i did not have you pegged for that at all as a matter of

01:23:02.300 fact i'm a man who's full of surprises well it's what's crazy though is the people who believe in

01:23:07.480 like so i i'm 100 sure that barack obama is a huge star trek guy and more than likely a tng guy which

01:23:14.980 is the next generation for people who you know are following at home uh because tng is like it's

01:23:20.960 basically like libtard future and uh it's like are you just wildly speculating jack because i 0.85

01:23:27.160 remember i think right when he took office there was some notorious white kind of all the guys 0.85

01:23:33.140 soy facing except soy face wasn't a meme yet because he did the he did the vulcan salute to

01:23:37.740 somebody the vulcan event yeah he totally did the thing yeah no he totally did this he played that

01:23:42.640 up that you know that because but for people who like believe in star trek as like a political

01:23:50.440 ideology they sit there and go like well wouldn't it be great if we have like because there were a

01:23:54.200 bunch of episodes in the next generation where they kind of like crap on capitalism and they

01:23:59.400 say like oh we've there's there's one episode where a guy who's like a a businessman was i

01:24:05.740 don't know he's like cryogenically frozen or something and he gets he gets reanimated in the

01:24:10.400 24th century and he starts kind of talking about like business and stuff like that and and picard

01:24:15.700 is sort of like hoo-poohing him and say oh we've we've outdone we've we've all we've out you know

01:24:22.080 moved beyond such outdated versions of yeah and i remember money and we don't have those things

01:24:29.300 anymore yeah i remember it's like one of the episodes and they're like we serve for the

01:24:34.600 progress of science i remember one of the few episodes i have seen it was like he has he

01:24:41.900 intervened it was like someone was posing as a magical goddess who'd blessed this planet and

01:24:47.340 like picard has to come in and you know he reveals that she's a charlatan because it's like they

01:24:52.460 thought that she'd save them from destruction but they'd saved themselves and the way they'd 0.78

01:24:56.020 save themselves is they dismantled their backwards industrial economy and moved to an

01:25:01.080 rarian socialist economy and this had saved them from annihilation and it might be one of the

01:25:06.600 movies actually that it was definitely an episode i remember because it was when it was on yeah

01:25:10.680 there's a movie that's like similar to that but but it's it's it's very clear that like next

01:25:17.200 generation is extremely anti-religion it's extremely um it's again it's it's just very

01:25:23.540 communistic it's very social it's probably like democrat socialism more than communism directly

01:25:28.560 because it's this weird idea that like oh if you remove scarcity then everyone's just going to get 1.00

01:25:34.720 along and like the klingons are bad because they just they just don't go along with the rules-based 0.94

01:25:39.920 order of the federation and it's it's it's it's like the globalist future and they they have this 1.00

01:25:47.360 and of course the question comes up it's like how do you okay so how do you get rid of the scarcity

01:25:51.840 problem and the scarcity problem is of course resources so competition for resources is what

01:25:57.440 what we have in the in in not just the us the whole world right so this is why you know wars

01:26:02.700 do tend to break out we have scarcity of land scarcity of minerals etc etc right so how do

01:26:09.520 they get away with that in star trek magic literally they had to come up with magic

01:26:14.760 call with which is something called the replicator and the replicator is this magical device which

01:26:22.240 again they don't even try to explain in star trek that just gives you whatever food or whatever like

01:26:30.040 drink or beverage or meal you want um at like you know the the snap of your fingers and and of

01:26:37.260 course picard is always like gee oh ray hot you know and it just appears and it's like well well

01:26:42.180 what went in like like even if you have a 3d printer like you have to put something into that

01:26:46.680 it's just a true perfect matter converter and yeah just magical post-scarcity situation uh and

01:26:53.260 it's it's so funny because i know there's been other works of fiction where they develop the

01:26:56.820 same thing like oh they have perfect post-scarcity and some of them are interesting because a lot of

01:27:01.200 those societies the way they portray them is they get like total ennui like nothing can give them

01:27:06.000 interest or joy anymore so like they literally like want to kill themselves they want to just

01:27:10.360 like well that kind of happens in the expanse actually okay so in the expanse series um which

01:27:15.420 I'm actually not a fan of, but I have read all of it and seen all of it.

01:27:18.780 It's it's a long story.

01:27:19.920 I have I have a love hate relationship with sci fi, as you could tell.

01:27:24.620 You're like, Jack, you've seen every episode of The Next Generation.

01:27:26.660 Yes. Do you like it? No.

01:27:29.080 But then why did you don't ask?

01:27:31.960 But getting getting back and but they so they have the same thing.

01:27:36.080 They have universal basic income on Earth.

01:27:39.120 And it's like people just sort of like, but it's still like a wastrel kind of like

01:27:43.780 waste of of time and space people don't really have jobs because you know it's sort of like okay

01:27:49.860 we have this basic income and yet everything still sucks anyway but then also earth gets

01:27:53.780 destroyed in that series and like nobody seems to care again it's a long story yeah i haven't

01:27:58.100 seen it but to get back so kind of to get back to the original obviously some people are like oh

01:28:01.960 obama has confirmed that the aliens are real i find it unlikely he would reveal it that way

01:28:08.480 but I guess why don't we ask Jack do you think that aliens are real especially both alien life

01:28:15.080 generally and intelligent life of any kind and if not why not we could we could explore that

01:28:19.720 do you have a belief on that one um I mean I'm open-minded on it right I I I think it's possible

01:28:27.200 I certainly think it's possible I like the old uh forget what it may have been Carl Sagan or

01:28:31.620 someone else who said you know if if there isn't if there isn't anything that's an awful awful big

01:28:36.360 waste of space um to you know and and when you look at probabilities um you know the probability

01:28:43.440 of this many planets and galaxies existing in the universe would would tend to you know tend to show

01:28:51.620 you that that life could have arisen on other planets somewhere out there and we just haven't

01:28:57.040 found it yet i also you know this idea of uh interdimensional type things that there's higher

01:29:03.300 dimensions that we don't know about and perhaps there's something going on totally open-minded to

01:29:07.980 all that stuff love reading about it think it's super cool and i'm not one of those people who's

01:29:12.260 like oh it couldn't possibly exist so no i'm not like that but at the same time you know i'm also

01:29:18.840 not really and i'll just say it like i'm not really a big believer in this whole like you know 0.66

01:29:24.760 the uaps and the government is secretly the secret programs and stuff and i just i'm not i'm not and

01:29:32.480 And I say that as like a guy who was literally in the intelligence community that I'm like, I've just never seen anything that that strikes me as credible there.

01:29:40.240 Yeah, I guess I would just lean towards, I guess, man, I want to have a more decisive one since you're a little more on the fence.

01:29:47.360 If I had to say I'm going to go, I'm going to embrace like, I feel like maybe it just hasn't happened.

01:29:52.680 Maybe I'd say probably no intelligent life out there.

01:29:55.440 I kind of go towards what's the big who's the guy who predicted the singularity?

01:30:02.480 what's his name like the singularity is near guy it's not for me is it uh ray kurtzweil

01:30:10.120 that's who it was ray kurtzweil he had an interesting take where he since he believes

01:30:13.940 in the singularity he actually would argue humans are the first form of intelligent life that's ever

01:30:19.320 emerged and he believes it because he thinks kind of the singularity is you know super intelligence

01:30:24.860 that would then he thinks we would immediately permeate the whole universe we'd kind of turn

01:30:28.260 the whole universe into circuitry and his argument is that that's so inevitable if there were

01:30:33.820 intelligent life that humans must be the first form of intelligent life because we don't see the

01:30:38.400 evidence of that in our own galaxy or anywhere else in the universe and i kind of i i'm sympathetic

01:30:46.140 to that i think you know there's the classic fermi paradox where is everybody if it seems like

01:30:51.000 there's a gazillion stars and there's even more planets orbiting those stars it seems like

01:30:56.140 it should have happened. And I think it might really be that earth, like a habitable earth

01:31:01.700 like planet that can have life that has given enough time to become intelligent life that can

01:31:07.840 then, and then that, that in turn develops technology that is able to do things. I could

01:31:12.300 lean towards that being the only ones who are out there, but like you, I don't think, well,

01:31:16.400 but then there's the, the other, uh, the other corollary to that is of course the great filter,

01:31:20.420 right? The Kardashov, um, the Kardashov scale. So which, which I guess the, what's your great

01:31:25.620 filter jack what are what are your top three great filters that are keeping civilization from going

01:31:30.380 to the stars well so this is the great let me explain it for the audience so the great filter

01:31:34.520 theory is like kind of the response to this that says that says okay well what if there's a problem

01:31:40.940 that exists and this this is sort of going back to that star trek thinking of of you know industrial

01:31:46.620 societies and being you know inherently destructive that the great filter is that some

01:31:51.820 for some reason societies only progress to the point where they're just about to um you know

01:31:59.500 embark on space travel and then something happens that either destroys the society destroys the

01:32:04.220 planet kills all life or you know just prevents them from being able to embark on that level of

01:32:11.100 a society so i mean you know probably you know probably just that just nuclear war or something

01:32:16.620 along those lines it is not jack jack it's not nuclear by the way relativity just relativity

01:32:22.880 itself is a huge problem jack i mean i think i think we can agree wouldn't the greatest great

01:32:28.380 filter be be libtards yes exactly just like you know we found well it's it's like you're reading 0.55

01:32:38.140 the archives of like some historian in a lost civilization and he's like viewing the patterns 1.00

01:32:42.620 And he's just like, we found this civilization and we found another civilization on this other planet and all of them destroyed themselves.

01:32:48.540 And in every single one of them, it was they reached a certain level of development and then they all started soy facing and dying, dying, the things growing out of their heads, different colors and stopping.

01:33:01.100 They cease to reproduce and and all of that.

01:33:04.720 Yeah, no, that reminds me of some of the mouse utopia experiments where when a society gets to a certain point of self-sufficiency that it becomes almost like it's – this is what we actually – this is the response, by the way, to the replicator argument that when a society has too many resources, when you eliminate the need for resource scarcity or you eliminate all resource scarcity,

01:33:33.040 that this actually breaks down society because society is actually governed and along a hierarchy

01:33:39.600 of resource distribution and so when there is no competition you you get people who check out of

01:33:46.340 society you get low fertility rates you get a i'll just say it they saw a rise in um same-sex

01:33:54.120 relationships um again among the mice in these experiments and you you had people who were

01:34:00.600 constantly worried about or mice i should say mice mice mice not people who were constantly worried

01:34:06.200 about their looks who were trying to uh looks max as the kids would say these days and they lend

01:34:14.200 themselves towards essentially destroying their society rather than and it created a behavioral

01:34:19.960 sink where they couldn't even raise kids anymore and then the ones who did end up kids had not been

01:34:24.120 raised by parents themselves and it just essentially destroyed their society that's a great filter

01:34:28.280 right there man yeah your uh angelo's message us he's telling us about the dark forest theory that

01:34:36.760 is that the dark forest theory is that life is all over the place like every other planet has

01:34:41.280 people on it but the smart ones aka everyone but us realizes that you don't talk to everyone in

01:34:47.340 space because if you do it's like you're walking through a dark forest full of wolves and you're

01:34:52.920 screaming hey everybody and then the wolves come and eat you

01:34:55.620 that's dark wow what was that from is that like the soundtrack so we didn't so so because we're

01:35:06.620 not you know so we're not stealthing ourselves um oh wait i i just saw in the chat that you put in

01:35:13.980 uh the fermi paradox i wasn't even reading um the stuff you're right um that uh that yeah so it's

01:35:20.320 like it's like because we're not using our cloaking systems you know we're the ones who

01:35:24.260 we're going to get we're the ones we're going to get wrecked when we we might be we might i mean

01:35:29.280 it does feel very like utopian in hindsight where as soon as we get radio waves we're just blasting

01:35:35.580 them out into space that we have seti and we're just saying hey we're here is anyone else out

01:35:40.380 there we're sending the pioneer probe with those naked people on it and we put a we put beethoven

01:35:45.960 on it i think we put we we put a recording on it all of that and then we're sending that out there

01:35:51.200 and yeah you can just imagine it gets found by the deep space version of dude we were just

01:35:58.760 watching uh i showed my kids the first movie adaptation of war of the worlds the 1950s

01:36:04.640 version with like the long the long necks that pop out and the heat rays just like blasting

01:36:09.040 everybody and what's interesting about that is like this even comes up in there where they first

01:36:14.740 say oh my gosh this is you know it's first contact this is great and then it's like you

01:36:20.020 know and then immediately they just start killing everybody and it's like and it's like yeah that's

01:36:26.020 that's probably something that could happen and then the fact though that so you know spoiler

01:36:30.280 alert even though this came out like 100 years ago um they get they get killed by human bacteria

01:36:35.360 the problem though is of course what if the aliens have like martian bacteria that we've never

01:36:42.080 experienced before and they kill all of us which could which i think uh stephen hawking even talked

01:36:46.940 about before that just direct contact with alien life might be enough to kill us that it would be

01:36:52.540 that would be a darkly interesting that would be like a good sci-fi horror thing i think like

01:36:57.200 there's first contact between two species and the end would just be they both mutually destroy each

01:37:02.300 other and like just of disease everyone drops dead and like that that's the takeaway i i've

01:37:07.500 never encountered that i wonder if it's been written that's coming out this is like a huge

01:37:11.540 part of it i read the book and then a while ago and if i remember correctly that that was a huge

01:37:15.680 issue they had where it was like so it's it's you know in the movie it's gonna be ryan gosling but

01:37:19.900 then they so he's like in his pod and then he connects with an alien pod and they're communicating

01:37:24.960 but they can never they can never leave their pods because they're worried about that no that's

01:37:28.680 interesting and so i'm thinking about what since we're pre-taping this we can't see the emails or

01:37:33.240 messages but i'm thinking of what has come in when we've discussed this before and i know a lot of

01:37:37.100 people they take the point of view that if aliens do exist this is actually something we've heard

01:37:42.480 Tucker's talked about it, just the belief things we think are aliens are actually demonic entities

01:37:47.640 or that just in general, there can't be aliens because they're not mentioned in the Bible or

01:37:53.980 scriptures. And so they can't exist for that reason. I guess I would push back on that. I

01:38:00.220 think I would hear C.S. Lewis said this, that there's nothing really innately implausible that

01:38:06.320 God could create non-human creatures that are still, you could say human in the biblical sense

01:38:13.320 that they are in soul beings because they have human levels of cognitive development, wisdom,

01:38:19.220 whatever we would believe in that sense. Uh, I know I've, I've also, I've mentioned this before.

01:38:23.700 I've read short fiction that even speculates there could be aliens that exist. And because

01:38:28.420 they exist, they also need their own version of the incarnation, which in theory is possible.

01:38:33.600 People have speculated that Christ appears in the Old Testament.

01:38:37.820 He's just not identified as Christ.

01:38:40.640 I know one take is that Methuselah is actually like a case of the incarnation.

01:38:47.360 Not Methuselah, Melchizedek. 0.93

01:38:49.800 That Melchizedek is like a Christ appearance in the Old Testament. 0.99

01:38:54.400 Or that when the three men visit Abraham, that that is the Trinity visiting him.

01:39:00.280 It's interesting to speculate upon, in my opinion.

01:39:04.080 yeah there's there's also a couple things in the bible in the old testament again um ezekiel's

01:39:08.480 wheels of course are is is like a common thing that people refer to the wheels within wheels

01:39:14.320 with eyes and some now some people say well that was angels but then other people point out to say

01:39:20.240 you know could could that have been some kind of extraterrestrial being or extra dimensional

01:39:25.920 in this case being um elijah's chariot of course the chariot of fire that elijah took to heaven you

01:39:32.080 know could that have been a ufo could that have been a spacecraft the nephilim which of course

01:39:36.640 come up in genesis you know these these these sons of god or humans who made it with some kind of

01:39:42.400 you know did they mate with fallen angels did that turn into you know did that turn into something

01:39:47.200 and again you know of course tucker has talked about this a lot of people to joel rogan has

01:39:51.520 gotten into this mel gibson um that you know could what we describe as aliens just be non-human life

01:40:00.400 that's from another plane of existence and so when i was talking about interdimensional or

01:40:05.280 extra dimensional earlier on you know the bible certainly talks about beings from other planes

01:40:10.880 of existence ones which are benevolent angels and ones which are malevolent which are demons which

01:40:17.280 we refer to and so it's it's simply just you know i would say a point of view or a matter of

01:40:22.320 perspective as to say well would those count as aliens or something like that because the bible

01:40:27.600 certainly does talk quite a bit about non-human entities exactly uh it's i think it's what i

01:40:36.660 always would caution people who say like oh the bible says emphatically that there can't be aliens

01:40:41.900 is among other things i would just say well then what if we find them is that going to disprove

01:40:47.480 the bible for you and i sometimes i'll get angry when you ask that doesn't mention america yeah

01:40:51.920 the bible is that's why some would say that's why america is unbiblical that's why america is

01:40:55.720 is a demonic entity america's well the masonic uh something like that yeah yeah it's not biblical

01:41:03.540 so they put the weird mason eye on the on the u.s dollar but uh actually i was messing with uh

01:41:11.060 on a quick quick side note but since we're on the show i might as well mention do you if if folks

01:41:15.200 were uh uh long-term super listeners and ogs might remember that when charlie spoke at the rnc

01:41:23.540 in 2024 um they were doing like theme nights at the rnc and he was his night was make america

01:41:32.380 wealthy again and like you and i were there together and um and because he spoke that night

01:41:38.580 they had while he was speaking on the stage behind him they were they were using like stock images of

01:41:44.440 money and they happened to have the all-seeing eye like directly behind him when he was speaking

01:41:50.660 and i remember giving him so much crap about that i was like charlie kirk illuminati confirmed

01:41:57.380 and he was like i'll just say it he was like he was like i he was like i asked them about that i

01:42:03.760 said could we just get like an american flag or something they were so sold on this you know no

01:42:09.780 it's it's it's wealth it's money that's a picture of money that's something on it and it's like

01:42:14.160 it's like gosh you know do you guys know how the internet is it's going to react to that

01:42:20.060 but then of course blake what if it was actually the illuminati behind the whole thing to begin

01:42:26.080 with man i feel like illuminati conspiracies have really have have petered out a bit that

01:42:32.780 was so big falling off i think totally falling yeah totally falling out there was so much of

01:42:36.000 that you know a great historical note i love the first the first political party in america and i

01:42:42.120 think maybe the first political party in what world history to have a political platform

01:42:49.340 explicitly published i believe was the anti-masonic party the uh anti-mason conspiracy

01:42:55.900 party that the u.s had in the 1830s and 40s i think is when they grew out based if i remember

01:43:02.800 right i think the the anti-masonic party even basically evolved into like the same people who

01:43:09.260 were into it a lot of them were then in the know nothing party which then a lot of those people

01:43:14.200 went into the republican party and so fun fun american political history there you know and

01:43:21.860 i'll certainly put this out you know you know um catholics it is still on uh the books in

01:43:28.520 catholic doctrine that you cannot be a catholic in good standing and be a member of the freemasons

01:43:32.740 you can't or i think any secret society correct uh yes obama is the antichrist

01:43:38.620 alex jones joining us all of a sudden well alex jones i remember he he said once that the reason

01:43:47.880 the illuminati and um you know the the masons like aren't as powerful as they used to be is

01:43:53.720 that they're just in control of the intel community now oh man yeah you think about the

01:43:59.580 purposes like why why that actually came out is that the masons and their secret meetings were

01:44:06.160 more vectors for anti-religious sentiment and it was almost like the the secretive deep state

01:44:12.520 group chats of their day that you could have these meetings that you would plot to overthrow church

01:44:18.040 overthrow monarchy and nowadays yeah you could just have that as your your signal chat where

01:44:22.760 you guys coordinate on how to undermine these things did exist they and they existed for a

01:44:27.880 reason and there certainly were conspiracies to overthrow monarchies like we we saw them we saw

01:44:32.580 we saw them happen in real life and and so and it made sense because if you you know if you spoke out

01:44:39.140 against the crown when the crown was still in power like you're done for you're out you know

01:44:43.700 the same way that there are you know many secret society it's like it's like there's secret

01:44:48.340 societies in china right now there are you know secret societies in in russia i'm sure if these

01:44:54.740 opposition gosh secret societies in russia you have any russian music

01:45:01.060 got nothing they got nothing heartbreak all right all right secret societies in

01:45:09.940 really guys really the jeopardy uh secret societies in mexico

01:45:18.980 there we are

01:45:24.740 secret society is all over the place but you're not allowed to join though you are

01:45:28.760 your favorite secret society is freedom at charliekirk.com and if you're in a secret society

01:45:34.560 we should we should do like a late night episode where we do just like uh art bell style if you if

01:45:39.340 anyone remembers the old art bell coast to coast am uh remember like i think that's still on air

01:45:44.000 isn't it it's it's on air but he's he hasn't run it anymore because he ascended to a higher plane

01:45:48.720 i think george nori runs it and um and but he used to do these things where he'd be like

01:45:54.720 he'd be like all right time travelers call in it's time traveler hour if you're a time traveler

01:45:58.960 call in and people would call in so good it's great content so if you're in a secret society

01:46:07.100 send us your email and if you're a time traveler also please send us your email tell us uh tell us

01:46:12.840 what bets to make tell us how to win all the the prediction market stuff um you know tell us tell

01:46:19.060 us everything tell us the super bowl winners the rest of it please do because you know we need to

01:46:23.680 make all the money tell us tell us how the guy who brought us who started this tell us how

01:46:28.120 barack obama is uh remembered in the chinese language histories that they write about this

01:46:33.760 country 200 years have you heard that uh by the way have you heard that because it's it's now the

01:46:40.480 year of the horse in um in china that draco malfoy has from harry potter has now become like the

01:46:46.960 mascot of the year of the horse why draco malfoy because uh like ma fu is it means like that's how

01:46:58.300 you say horse in like horse year or horse something in chinese and so it's it's like the

01:47:04.540 same as his the way his name is transliterated so if you go i'm dead serious if you go and look up

01:47:10.240 anything about horse year in china it's like draco malfoy is everywhere

01:47:14.300 okay then yeah i mean apparently it's that his name his translation is marfu and that basically

01:47:22.960 means horse and good fortune which they need because i believe it's specifically i believe

01:47:28.440 it's specifically the year of the fire horse and that is a bad luck omen in yeah that would be

01:47:34.240 huo like huo ma huo is fire yeah because it is specifically that year and it's so severe if you

01:47:41.280 if you check like the number of births they'll have will drop by a third because no one wants

01:47:46.100 to have a kid during the fire horse year because it is inauspicious could you imagine having a kid

01:47:50.600 during the fire horse year couldn't be me couldn't be me all right but uh they're telling us they're

01:47:56.540 telling us we're at time blake telling us we're at time uh of course i've got all the time in the

01:48:00.880 world because I only exist virtually in this space. Or do I

01:48:04.820 perhaps I am a time traveler because I am a time traveler.

01:48:08.260 You're hearing me yesterday from tomorrow. Whoa, think about

01:48:13.480 that. Ladies and gentlemen, as always go out there and commit

01:48:16.240 more thought crime.

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