Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 12 — Liberty UnSafe？ Rainbow-Bama？ Mind the Gap？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime with myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang.

00:00:05.960 Today's topics, liberty unsafe, Elon versus the ADL, Barack Obama gay, and finally, the populism debate.

00:00:17.380 What do we stand for? What are we for? What are we against?

00:00:21.420 Ladies and gentlemen, we're about to commit thought crime.

00:00:24.560 From the age of big brother.

00:00:26.940 If they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:00:28.940 The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:00:33.400 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:42.780 Okay, everybody, welcome. What episode number is this?

00:00:47.320 Number 12, Charlie. Are you kidding me?

00:00:49.800 Three whole months. That's three more months than we should have gotten.

00:00:52.920 That's unbelievable.

00:00:54.980 Blake Neff is with us. I have to say, Blake Neff is the most...

00:00:58.940 He is the fan favorite. I've never seen a guest like Blake Neff.

00:01:03.900 Loved by the audience. Tyler Boyer.

00:01:05.740 He's also hated by the audience.

00:01:08.080 That was implied. I am the most, as you say. I am the most, just the most.

00:01:14.160 And then Jack Posobiec.

00:01:16.400 Jack, how we doing?

00:01:19.000 Charlie, we're doing great.

00:01:19.880 I would say, though, rapidly becoming the fan favorite is Tyler's mustache.

00:01:24.840 You know, we're only in September.

00:01:27.440 It is not No Shave November yet.

00:01:29.300 But that thing is literally getting its own zip code.

00:01:33.500 I guess when we're all in the gulags, that thing is going to have a cell next to Tyler's.

00:01:37.120 It's going to need a cell by itself.

00:01:38.280 We're going full handlebars.

00:01:40.620 By September, he'll be the Kaiser.

00:01:42.780 And by December, he'll be a Civil War general.

00:01:46.160 I'm very...

00:01:46.580 We should bring back mutton chop.

00:01:48.620 Blake, you should grow some mutton chop.

00:01:50.320 Yeah, you should.

00:01:51.720 Okay, now we need to move on.

00:01:53.500 All right.

00:01:54.200 Everyone in the comments, should Blake go Asian?

00:01:57.480 I mean, should he grow a mutton chop?

00:01:59.660 No, he should go full linen.

00:02:02.520 Lennon?

00:02:03.040 What is Luigi doing here?

00:02:05.880 I thought that was Tyler, but I see Luigi's here.

00:02:08.180 I'll take the tall, skinny one.

00:02:09.480 That's fine.

00:02:10.460 So we have several topics.

00:02:12.080 We do want to add in the NFL topic, which I think is interesting, because in just a couple

00:02:15.820 minutes, Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs are going to kick off against the Lions.

00:02:20.100 I'll be fully transparent.

00:02:21.420 I said this on the radio show today.

00:02:22.980 I have a tension with this.

00:02:25.020 I struggle, because I love football, and I hate the NFL.

00:02:28.240 And so it's like a constant wrestling match.

00:02:31.040 Listen, the most important guy on the Chiefs is Harrison Butker, who has been to our office.

00:02:36.280 He's amazing.

00:02:36.720 No, he's awesome.

00:02:37.320 He's been to our office.

00:02:37.720 Has he really?

00:02:38.480 I didn't know that.

00:02:38.720 Yeah, he's been here.

00:02:39.300 Yeah, he's been here.

00:02:41.080 He's a super winger.

00:02:42.120 Great dude.

00:02:43.160 Great dude.

00:02:44.300 He was hurt last year for a little bit.

00:02:46.960 Anyway, we'll talk about the NFL, but most importantly, oh, we start with Liberty Unsafe. 0.77

00:02:51.980 I thought we were doing Obama Gay Cokehead. 1.00

00:02:53.940 Soon enough. 0.96

00:02:54.680 Soon enough.

00:02:55.560 But for now, it's Liberty Safe.

00:02:56.940 I wanted to get right to it.

00:02:58.020 Jack, it seems as if a company and organization dares to activate the Posobiec-Kirk matrix, it doesn't go well.

00:03:07.420 It's, you could add, I mean, we have like a list of things that target, you know, ADL.

00:03:14.960 It's the Grim Reaper meme.

00:03:16.060 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:16.840 New Hampshire is that if you activate, because we have another group chat that they don't even know about, right, Jack?

00:03:21.800 It's kind of like our boycott chat.

00:03:23.340 No, we don't.

00:03:24.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:24.860 Jack always denies it.

00:03:26.160 And all of a sudden, it's like, we want, Jack, we have created this kind of thought crime sword of Damocles.

00:03:32.300 You could fall at any moment.

00:03:33.840 I don't think it was on Liberty Safe's bingo card that they would get boycotted.

00:03:38.980 Jack, what's going on with Liberty Safe?

00:03:40.400 Go through all the facts for the uninitiated in our audience.

00:03:42.740 Right, so I'll throw something out, just an interesting observation based on what you said before I go through the recap.

00:03:48.240 But the interesting observation is, remember, from Liberty Safe's perspective, somebody at the company, probably not even the CEO, answered a phone call from the FBI, was asked to provide a passcode.

00:04:00.280 They followed their protocol, provided the passcode, and they went on with the rest of their day.

00:04:04.400 They had no idea what was going on.

00:04:07.220 They had no idea that the Kirk Poso sword of Damocles was about to fall down on them because they didn't even pay attention.

00:04:16.620 They actually said in their statement, right, in the statement, okay, now I'll go back.

00:04:20.980 So they provided a passcode to the FBI for a January 6th defendant where they allude to possibly have being served with a warrant, though there's no actual information as to whether or not the safe was included in the warrant.

00:04:38.080 It just says they were called and that they have a policy regarding warrants, but it doesn't actually say.

00:04:43.620 To do whatever the feds want.

00:04:44.760 That's their policy.

00:04:45.740 It's unbelievable.

00:04:46.000 It doesn't actually say that there's any specific mention of the gun safe in Liberty Safe, their gun safes that have marketed towards conservatives, Second Amendment activists, for a very, very long time.

00:04:59.900 Are we going to play the thing now?

00:05:01.440 Are you just going to play the thing?

00:05:02.020 Okay, so in the statement, they also mentioned we didn't have all the facts of the investigation, which is like, okay, so you said you were contacted by the feds and you didn't even think to push back or ask any basic questions as to what was going on.

00:05:20.640 You immediately gave over the passcode to the safe, which is essentially a manufacturer's code that has access to everyone's gun safe.

00:05:31.460 This is something that would go in for electronic, obviously not mechanical locks.

00:05:36.620 So every gun safe that Liberty Safe owns, essentially this means they can be opened with a phone call.

00:05:43.640 So if you have a phone call and you repeat the magical incantation, you say the right things over the phone, and I got into it with people on Twitter today, them saying, oh, that would never happen to me.

00:05:54.220 I would never do that.

00:05:55.200 I said, okay, what if you call up and I've got all the information about your safe, and I'm not you, and I asked them to give me the code, and I'm, you know, I'm some teenager, and I know mom and dad, where mom and dad keep the receipts.

00:06:06.320 Boom, now I got all your guns.

00:06:07.840 How about that?

00:06:08.620 Is that safety?

00:06:09.280 So this is a January, this is a Jan Sixer, and then I think, are we going to play the footage?

00:06:15.140 Nathan Hughes.

00:06:15.880 Are we going to play the footage?

00:06:16.720 Because I know, I know.

00:06:17.840 I think we're going to play the B-roll.

00:06:19.260 It's incredible.

00:06:19.600 There's two pieces of footage.

00:06:20.800 There's this footage of the cars, I think, at his home, and then this one with the Fed boys, who, it seems at a strip mall that they found him, right, Jack?

00:06:29.980 Is that correct?

00:06:30.880 So there's two things.

00:06:32.160 So they arrested him, and they hit the house at the same time.

00:06:35.720 So this is two separate.

00:06:36.920 It's two separate things we're talking about.

00:06:38.240 Obviously, the gun safe is not at the strip mall.

00:06:40.440 So they arrested him, which, by the way, not a pre-dawn raid.

00:06:44.040 So I guess we've got to give the FBI a little bit of credit here because they did conduct a pre-dawn raid in Utah against this 300-pound, 75-year-old man who was posting Biden names.

00:06:55.720 They didn't make him abandon his baby inside the house while they, like, frog-marched, you know, everyone out.

00:07:02.720 Yeah.

00:07:03.280 It really is something.

00:07:03.960 I'll give them credit for that.

00:07:05.340 I mean, they didn't give him the David Koresh treatment on this one.

00:07:08.560 You know, they actually picked him up in what I would seem, it seems to me, or at least as a very safe manner there on the street, even though they rolled in, like, I mean, look at the way they're tactically, just for the podcast audience.

00:07:21.580 Who do you think you are, FBI, rolling in like that?

00:07:24.480 Yes, he's Osama bin Laden, flak jackets and M4s with lasers and scopes on them. 0.98

00:07:32.180 Like, it's just like some guy at a CVS.

00:07:35.820 No, it's a show of strength intentionally is what it is.

00:07:38.940 It's we're in charge and you are not.

00:07:40.560 It's a show of strength.

00:07:41.740 We have to emphasize why this really stands out because, yeah, they did get a warrant.

00:07:45.940 So, you know, if a warrant goes through all the way, you do generally have to comply with it.

00:07:49.740 But the reason, you know, this stands out is what's a prominent liberal company out there?

00:07:54.520 Apple, Apple Computers.

00:07:55.800 Yes.

00:07:56.300 And they've been battling for years with the FBI over what they, you know, when they get warrants, they say, we don't need to go along with all of these warrants.

00:08:04.080 You know, we believe our phones should be secure for the people who buy them.

00:08:07.900 And we're going to push back on these unless they're very legitimate.

00:08:11.260 So they've been fighting for years over, you know, the government wants them to build a back door into all of their phones that the federal government can basically just pop it open, take everyone's stuff off.

00:08:20.420 Like they have with WhatsApp.

00:08:21.160 Yeah.

00:08:21.540 And Apple's been suing over this, you know, to not have to do this for years and years.

00:08:25.680 And then Apple's not a conservative company.

00:08:28.180 They don't pander to conservatives at all.

00:08:29.940 A lot of us have, you know, a lot of issues with Apple.

00:08:31.800 And yet they still have this kind of old 90s liberal defiance of authority that is playing, you know, to the public's advantage in this case, whereas this company that spent years catering supposedly to conservatives just folds like a house of cards.

00:08:47.600 But at the same time, I think I am a little more sympathetic than a lot of people here in that I don't think I see like a big anti-conservative agenda.

00:08:55.460 I think this is a case where a company, possibly even a low-level person at the company, didn't really understand how norms and expectations on the right have evolved so that we are more suspicious of government investigations like this.

00:09:08.980 Yeah.

00:09:09.280 But when a company is run and owned by people who don't care the same way that.

00:09:13.860 Well, that's the point is that they were purchased.

00:09:15.600 They were purchased, you know.

00:09:17.560 You want to go through that?

00:09:19.400 Yeah.

00:09:19.620 I mean, it's not a ton of investigative work here that we did, but we'll take credit for it.

00:09:25.760 Which is.

00:09:26.600 Just going to FEC.gov.

00:09:27.860 Which is, you know, you just go.

00:09:29.360 And this is what I always do whenever I see something happen.

00:09:31.320 I'm like, well, is there maybe.

00:09:33.020 And I agree, but I don't think it's probably necessarily something where it's like they were written in policy.

00:09:39.220 They're like, the next time the FBI shows up, we're going to hand everything over.

00:09:41.820 But if you don't have people at the top who answer these questions rapidly and are not people who actually care about the customer base, which I don't think the gentleman who runs this company now that runs this investment firm really actually cares about conservatives.

00:10:00.240 Because we know that because his partners and he collectively have spent over $400,000 the last 10 cycles on Democrats.

00:10:08.160 Yep.

00:10:08.720 This is what you get.

00:10:10.340 And so there's a lesson in here, which is, hey, if you're a conservative, you built a company that you want to be proud of and you want to see continue on even after you sell it.

00:10:18.420 And that you can go, wow, I'm glad they agreed to keep having Glenn Beck be my, you know, sponsor or my voice that tells everybody about how great my safe is.

00:10:28.660 You better not sell it to people who are libs. 1.00

00:10:31.740 And we should highlight the scale of this.

00:10:34.900 You know, we checked out their data, you know, who they were bought by this company, Monomoy Capital, I think is the name of it.

00:10:41.980 That was the first problem because Monomoy is in Massachusetts.

00:10:44.420 Yeah, they're in Massachusetts.

00:10:45.260 And then you can look at senior people at Monomoy who they've donated to.

00:10:49.100 And I think you have to go back to 2012 or so to even find a Republican who was worthy of a single cent of a safe.

00:10:55.180 They own a gun safe company.

00:10:56.580 No, no, no.

00:10:56.980 So these guys are from Massachusetts.

00:10:59.220 There was one guy that gave Mitt Romney $10 in 2012.

00:11:03.700 Yeah.

00:11:03.980 You can't even make this up.

00:11:05.260 You can just look through it.

00:11:06.040 You've got like Maggie Hassan for New Hampshire, $2,900. 0.99

00:11:08.980 We have Raphael Warnock.

00:11:10.260 We have $2,900 to $2,900.

00:11:11.640 We have Mark Kelly for Senate, $2,900.

00:11:16.160 Catherine Cortez Masto for Senate. 0.53

00:11:18.420 This person is doing deep cuts in their donations.

00:11:21.560 Their max donations.

00:11:22.400 Fetterman for Pennsylvania.

00:11:23.840 They gave maximum to the official national puppet of the United States.

00:11:28.680 Tim Ryan.

00:11:29.800 Who is terrible.

00:11:31.280 Ugh.

00:11:31.920 Ugh.

00:11:32.840 Ugh.

00:11:33.340 Mark Kelly.

00:11:33.900 And so, but I think that, you know, some people are saying, well, Charlie, how should they have reacted?

00:11:39.080 Well, in one of two ways.

00:11:40.280 They could have sued.

00:11:41.080 You can sue when you get a subpoena or a warrant.

00:11:43.360 You could also just negotiate.

00:11:44.960 Or the third, if they really would have been threatened, they could have done a press release.

00:11:49.000 We are right now.

00:11:49.940 I'm not going to tell you what customer, but the feds have come to us against our will.

00:11:54.260 And we are being told to get our password.

00:11:56.320 And we refuse.

00:11:56.840 Like, they could have made a huge thing about it.

00:11:58.880 Like, senators could have gotten involved. 0.72

00:12:00.140 Just tweet it.

00:12:01.240 Yeah, just put it out.

00:12:02.520 Just be like the FBI right now is telling us to get into our safe.

00:12:05.580 One of the safes of our customers.

00:12:07.120 We don't do that.

00:12:07.960 We're not doing that.

00:12:08.380 We are going to lock ourselves inside one of our own safes to avoid.

00:12:12.020 Remember, Elon paid what, how much of a fine was it?

00:12:15.620 It was like $250,000 or something because the feds were trying to get into Trump's account recently, the Jack Smith thing.

00:12:21.460 And he missed the deadline.

00:12:23.380 And I forget the number.

00:12:24.340 It was six figures, over six figures that he paid because he refused at first.

00:12:29.880 And then missed the deadline.

00:12:32.040 Ended up having to pay a bunch of money over it.

00:12:33.520 I've got to hear $300.

00:12:34.300 Bring it up on screen, guys, if you can.

00:12:36.420 We've got $350,000 because he dragged its feet in complying with a DOJ warrant.

00:12:43.860 There you go.

00:12:44.480 Jack Smith versus Elon Musk.

00:12:46.580 And who knows if that drives all the other stuff that he was looking for.

00:12:49.600 Money where his mouth is.

00:12:51.320 Right?

00:12:51.520 Like, show me that you are willing to fight for the rights of your customers, regardless of who they are.

00:12:58.220 Treat everyone the same.

00:13:00.660 Whether you've got a MAGA hat on or whether you're supporting, I don't know, some other person who's on the other side.

00:13:08.180 Right?

00:13:08.380 The point is that companies, we would love to just go back to the normal playing field.

00:13:12.880 But we can't.

00:13:13.940 And so I'm not going to sit here and beg for fairness.

00:13:16.600 I'm not going to say, oh, this isn't fair. 0.94

00:13:18.860 This is, you know, this is hypocrisy, the double hypocrisy. 0.70

00:13:22.000 No.

00:13:22.520 No.

00:13:23.360 Mutual escalation. 0.97

00:13:25.060 So if you are going to work with the feds, we're going to destroy you. 0.96

00:13:27.520 Simple as that. 0.98

00:13:28.500 Simple.

00:13:28.680 Yep.

00:13:29.280 And so, but here's the tell.

00:13:30.860 Here's the kicker.

00:13:32.620 Because I had some people text me, you know, when Jack, you and I initiated the Death Star.

00:13:37.240 Some people say, Charlie, you're being unfair.

00:13:39.060 You're being unfair.

00:13:40.360 Here's the kicker, Jack.

00:13:42.120 They sent out a new statement this morning, acknowledging we were right.

00:13:45.840 Saying, oh, by the way, now we have a whole new standard operating procedure.

00:13:48.940 Oh, wait.

00:13:50.720 Okay.

00:13:51.020 So we broke your will.

00:13:52.660 24 hours.

00:13:53.720 Now you, you now admit we're never going to do this.

00:13:56.580 We have a new process.

00:13:57.700 So Jack, read the two contracts.

00:13:59.460 It's a story in kind of two parts.

00:14:01.180 First part, we get asked, we tell you.

00:14:03.660 We got a lot of pushback.

00:14:04.360 We got a lot of pushback because there are still a lot of people in the conservative,

00:14:08.880 I would almost call it like the conservatarian movement that still believe like, oh, business

00:14:13.840 should be able to do whatever they want.

00:14:15.260 And we should always support businesses and businesses giving the government stuff, you

00:14:20.180 know, and here.

00:14:22.140 So look at this at Liberty Safe.

00:14:23.980 We are dedicated to safeguarding the rights and privacy of our customers.

00:14:27.580 It's a promise that remains deeply personal to our employees and leadership.

00:14:31.400 Our company, one of America's oldest, blah, blah, blah, blah, fundamental rights, blah, blah,

00:14:34.940 blah.

00:14:35.060 Here we go.

00:14:35.900 Here we go.

00:14:36.640 We've okay.

00:14:37.160 We've long adhered.

00:14:38.380 All right.

00:14:38.800 It's an industry standard of maintaining a secure database of factory set commit combinations.

00:14:43.100 That's them trying to say it's not just us.

00:14:44.500 It's not just us.

00:14:45.460 Industry standard.

00:14:46.500 This practice helps customers.

00:14:48.340 Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

00:14:50.440 And then, oh, wait, there's actually a page three where they get into the new one.

00:14:54.540 It's not there right now.

00:14:55.340 But then in page three, because they put out a one page statement.

00:14:58.840 Oh, yeah, here he is.

00:14:59.640 Page.

00:14:59.840 They put out a one page statement at first.

00:15:01.220 That wasn't good enough.

00:15:02.100 Then they go back.

00:15:02.820 Then there's this huge, the Kirk post, the sword of Damocles comes down.

00:15:06.500 Then they put out a three page statement.

00:15:08.780 We've listened to our customers and update our products and practices in response to their evolving needs.

00:15:16.660 Evolving needs.

00:15:17.720 Today we are announcing a change that empowers our customers with greater control over their information.

00:15:26.580 Now, this is bolded.

00:15:28.640 Effective immediately.

00:15:30.320 Existing customers can visit www.blahblahblah and fill out the form to have records that have their access codes expunged.

00:15:38.080 Why should you opt out?

00:15:39.420 This should be an opt in.

00:15:41.080 This should be an opt in.

00:15:42.360 It should not be an opt out thing.

00:15:44.000 You should not have this when you sign up.

00:15:45.980 Every single person who buys a Liberty Safe should be made sure they understand what the system is.

00:15:50.640 They give an option.

00:15:51.460 Do you want to opt in or do you want to opt out?

00:15:53.560 It's probably a lot easier to not have to maintain a database, by the way, of all the records.

00:15:56.960 So you opt out, you opt out, right?

00:15:58.080 But give people the option when you purchase.

00:16:01.320 So right there, and then it says customers take control, et cetera, et cetera, and then blah, blah, blah.

00:16:05.860 And it doesn't say it, but basically the whole thing is Poso and Kirk are right.

00:16:09.180 Jack, I think part of the outrage of this whole thing was people realized for the first time that there was a database with someone that they can't trust that literally has everyone's codes in it.

00:16:23.100 Which, by the way, it's a de facto gun registry of conservatives.

00:16:26.400 Yeah, it's a de facto gun registry, but that liberals run it, and it's in Utah, and you can't trust a lot of people in Utah.

00:16:35.500 I mean, look at the governor, for crying out loud.

00:16:37.280 Spencer Cox is a very strange guy.

00:16:38.420 Spencer Cox and Mitt Romney?

00:16:40.340 I mean, you're talking about these people put their trust in some bad people in Utah, right?

00:16:45.600 Yep, yep.

00:16:45.920 You know, saying that coming from this.

00:16:46.760 Some of the worst political actors.

00:16:48.020 Some of the worst actors we have in America.

00:16:50.420 Like, you have no defense.

00:16:51.740 Spencer Cox, he, him.

00:16:52.760 And so there's like a, and I'll give the Mormons credit. 0.93

00:16:55.700 The Mormons have a granite vault that's supposed to be like second to none. 0.89

00:16:59.240 It's like almost.

00:17:00.040 Is it a Liberty Safe?

00:17:00.840 Colorado Springs, like almost there.

00:17:03.180 It's almost Area 51.

00:17:03.940 It's Liberty Safe.

00:17:04.500 I can get into it.

00:17:05.140 But it's not, but that's the thing.

00:17:06.900 That's the thing.

00:17:07.440 It's like there's somewhere, it's just some goon that has like everybody's code sitting

00:17:12.100 on, you know, a hard drive somewhere.

00:17:14.380 It's just like.

00:17:14.940 I can't get over this.

00:17:15.780 They told literally the whole world how to get into every single one of their customers.

00:17:19.120 They've told everyone like, attack us in Utah.

00:17:21.860 And have you been to Utah?

00:17:23.220 Is it the Dirty Sodas?

00:17:24.540 Is that what's making this happen?

00:17:26.300 They have soda shops.

00:17:27.880 And that's it.

00:17:28.380 That's the only thing I trust out of Utah is the soda shop.

00:17:30.420 Does Jack not know the Dirty Sodas?

00:17:32.760 Sodalicious is actually the name.

00:17:34.140 I've never actually been to Utah.

00:17:34.880 You've never been to Utah?

00:17:36.180 Well, Jack, let's do some deductive reasoning here, Jack.

00:17:39.840 Why would there be soda shops and not bars in Utah?

00:17:42.740 You can't buy alcohol in Utah.

00:17:44.080 Right, because it's dry.

00:17:45.600 There you go.

00:17:46.160 It's the driest state in the country.

00:17:47.840 Ice cream, soda shops, and soaking.

00:17:51.640 We won't even get into that part.

00:17:52.860 No, no, no.

00:17:53.520 Goodness gracious.

00:17:54.200 Okay, we need to get out of this topic ASAP.

00:17:58.200 I regret everything I've said.

00:17:59.520 Utah culture, you have to understand.

00:18:01.120 But this is, they basically, you're exactly right.

00:18:04.240 They open up the door.

00:18:05.020 They're going over here.

00:18:06.580 They open up the door to tell everybody, come into Utah and figure out everybody's codes.

00:18:14.660 Yes.

00:18:15.300 That's not a defensive state.

00:18:17.940 It's a diet cola over ice with coconut syrup, lime juice, and a bit of half and half.

00:18:24.540 That sounds horrible.

00:18:25.720 No, it's delicious.

00:18:26.800 I'll get you one next time you're here.

00:18:28.420 We have all the places here.

00:18:30.500 But look, if they get rid of Mitt Romney, I'll trust Utah a little bit more.

00:18:33.300 Maybe they can have codes to safes.

00:18:36.340 That should be the breaking point, in my opinion.

00:18:41.380 Dirty soda.

00:18:42.680 You say this tastes, you drink this on purpose.

00:18:45.060 They drink it on purpose.

00:18:46.300 They sell millions of dollars.

00:18:48.100 Don't judge until you've had it.

00:18:49.420 Don't judge until you've had it.

00:18:50.220 This sounds like something that I would make when I was 12, and my dad would take me to

00:18:54.380 McDonald's, and I would put all the sodas together and mix them up.

00:18:57.880 We call those suicides in South Dakota.

00:19:01.900 We used to say that.

00:19:03.020 And then put the salt and pepper in, a little ketchup, some hot sauce.

00:19:06.280 No, not what?

00:19:08.700 We're just talking about creamer.

00:19:12.320 In your soda.

00:19:13.060 That's what they all say.

00:19:13.780 That's what they all say.

00:19:14.700 Yeah.

00:19:14.860 Anyways, we won't trust Utah.

00:19:17.440 We will not trust Utah until they get rid of Mitt Romney.

00:19:19.540 You're not allowed to keep everyone's backdoor codes on a laptop.

00:19:27.280 Utah are just cutting loose now.

00:19:29.860 So, Jack, here's a moral question, and we'll go to the next topic.

00:19:32.860 Should we forgive a company?

00:19:34.080 Should we forgive Liberty Safe that in 24 hours they flipped?

00:19:37.280 Should we show them mercy?

00:19:38.560 Oh, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

00:19:42.900 You know, a lot of people have brought this up, and a lot of people have said, should we

00:19:47.600 show them mercy?

00:19:48.560 And here's the question.

00:19:49.700 And as a Christian, as a Christian, I can say I forgive them on a moral level. 0.62

00:19:56.520 But at the same time, on an economic level, and when we're in a fight for our country,

00:20:01.260 why would I support or promote a company like that that has already worked against my interest?

00:20:07.360 It makes no sense.

00:20:08.520 So on a personal level, sure, I can forgive you, and I can say I forgive you.

00:20:11.900 You feel like you've done wrong.

00:20:13.220 But I'm never going to support you again, and I'm never going to forget what you did.

00:20:18.300 And more than likely, I will find a company that does support my values and continues to

00:20:22.920 support my values, and I will go and support them.

00:20:25.240 And case in point, we're actually having Michael Seifert on the show tomorrow.

00:20:27.960 Yeah, and I don't see any repentance in their statements.

00:20:31.200 I don't see anything that we were wrong.

00:20:32.760 They're like, we updated it.

00:20:34.100 That's a big part of forgiveness.

00:20:38.880 Reconciliation, right?

00:20:39.960 I mean, you have to—

00:20:41.180 Reconciliation, you must atone.

00:20:42.280 Yeah, and I don't see much atonement.

00:20:44.120 It says, oh, we've updated our practices based on our customers' needs.

00:20:47.300 Oh, really?

00:20:47.580 What changed in the last 24 hours?

00:20:48.720 There's one line to draw, and that's it, Charlie, which is if they sell the company

00:20:52.440 to a conservative, then everybody can go back to liberty.

00:20:57.960 That should be the dividing line.

00:20:59.780 I mean, but here's what—

00:21:01.040 Don Jr.

00:21:01.840 Here's why this was—

00:21:02.800 He buys liberty or something.

00:21:03.680 So there's a criteria.

00:21:05.740 There's a criteria that works for these things.

00:21:10.620 When certain companies are woke or go crazy, it's really hard for us to, like, punish them.

00:21:17.080 But when companies where the users are predominantly conservative and there's nothing that special about your product, like beer,

00:21:25.420 then it's very, very easy for us to all of a sudden kind of throw it down, right?

00:21:31.180 It's like, okay, you are reliant on right-wingers, and you don't have that much brand loyalty.

00:21:37.140 It's not like people say, I'm really going to miss my liberty safe.

00:21:40.940 It's like, yeah, okay, you could get 900 different, right?

00:21:44.260 Remember the Benny thing?

00:21:45.940 Can you say the Benny thing?

00:21:47.200 Yeah, I mean—

00:21:47.760 I guess he's working on it.

00:21:48.620 Yeah, Benny's trying to—

00:21:50.120 That's so funny, I'm sorry.

00:21:50.480 He's trying—

00:21:51.040 He texts us at, like, 5 a.m., and he's like, guys, I bought a home that had a liberty safe in it.

00:21:56.820 It's the size of a Volkswagen.

00:21:58.400 How do I get it out of my home?

00:21:59.960 I was like, throw a red-a-crain.

00:22:01.760 Just red-a-crain.

00:22:02.500 No, but what I responded was, right, he should do a whole, like, video series trying to—

00:22:08.220 It would be hilarious.

00:22:09.560 Like, trying to break it.

00:22:12.760 Like, trying to chainsaw it, right?

00:22:14.800 Send us your comments, send us your emails.

00:22:16.860 How should Benny Johnson get rid of his liberty safe?

00:22:19.280 While we're talking about the comments, we do have that—someone wants a promo code for Tyler Stash, so we should look into that.

00:22:27.880 Yeah, promo code Pablo Escobar.

00:22:30.160 Pablo Escobar.

00:22:32.360 There was a tweet yesterday that when Trump returns to office, he's going to turn Mar-a-Lago into a political prison like La Cathedral that Pablo Escobar had.

00:22:42.900 And then he'll just go down and view members of the deep state there.

00:22:46.920 All right.

00:22:47.540 So we mentioned Elon Musk standing up to Jack Smith.

00:22:49.980 Well, he's got another one of his feuds going.

00:22:53.240 So ex-CEO—I hate the name X so much, but—

00:22:56.940 That's a topic.

00:22:57.740 That's what he's called it.

00:22:58.760 Ex-CEO Linda Iaccarino met with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL, formerly—I don't think they are the Anti-Defamation League anymore.

00:23:06.600 I think they are just the ADL.

00:23:07.660 Honestly, they're a bunch of racketeers.

00:23:08.740 Yeah, well, she met with this racketeer last week, caused a lot of people to worry, like, oh, they're going to roll out a new censorship regime and, you know, buddy-buddy with them.

00:23:16.880 We didn't get that.

00:23:18.300 Instead, ban the ADL, started to trend big time on Twitter.

00:23:21.580 I think there were over 130,000 tweets for it, last I checked.

00:23:24.640 And then what really got crazy is Elon Musk got involved in it, and he started replying to all these people bashing the ADL, being like, oh, this is very interesting, all those tweets replies that he does.

00:23:36.700 And now he says that he's blaming the ADL's attacks on Twitter slash X for causing the company to not have its advertisers back, causing it to lose value.

00:23:45.900 And he's saying he's going to sue it for billions of dollars in defamation damages.

00:23:51.820 So, you know, there's speculation.

00:23:53.460 Is Elon Musk going to be the one who finally—you know, the ADL used to have, like, a lot of mainstream credibility.

00:23:59.900 They lost a lot of it over the last few years over Trump, over Tucker.

00:24:04.180 But could Elon Musk be the one who, you know, brings it down?

00:24:07.260 Yeah, I mean, Jack, we've—you and I have both dealt with these, you know, let's just say 501c3 organizations on the left.

00:24:15.180 SPLC is probably more of your—has been more of your fight.

00:24:19.540 I've actually probably fought the ADL more.

00:24:21.700 I want just people—this is so nauseating.

00:24:24.700 They're not a fan of mine either, Charlie.

00:24:26.500 Yeah.

00:24:27.140 I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:24:29.080 This is Jonathan Greenblatt, which—so he goes on CNBC, and he's like,

00:24:34.840 if you dare question that we are shakedown artists, you're an anti-Semite.

00:24:40.240 Play Cut 44.

00:24:42.460 Can I ask a question?

00:24:44.040 Sure.

00:24:44.240 Because I know this has been a critique of your organization and of many.

00:24:48.360 Were you seeking to have some kind of either role at Twitter or any kind of donations made or other things?

00:24:54.700 No!

00:24:55.000 I only say that because there have been folks who've looked at these situations and felt that they were being shaken down.

00:25:01.140 Look, I think—let me be honest about that, right?

00:25:04.240 I think it is a sort of anti-Semitic trope to suggest when Jewish people express a degree of outrage over anti-Semitism, 0.96

00:25:12.260 that somehow that's a shakedown because Jews are greedy. 1.00

00:25:15.300 I don't believe in—and this is really to you, Joe—I don't believe in cancel culture. 0.91

00:25:19.080 I believe in cancel culture.

00:25:20.440 Right.

00:25:20.720 So someone makes a mistake, you help them fix it.

00:25:22.560 So it is a shakedown.

00:25:26.180 That's what they do.

00:25:27.400 And look, I'm not going to say what company this is, but there's a serious entrepreneur that everyone would recognize that I know.

00:25:34.620 And he was running a major company, and he was confronted by one of these organizations, these nonprofits.

00:25:40.380 It was the Organization for the Blind.

00:25:42.740 And they came in, and they said, okay, we want to learn about your company.

00:25:45.480 And he's like, oh, well, here's all the features that we have with our company for blind people.

00:25:49.180 And they weren't satisfied.

00:25:50.520 They said, well, you know, for a $25 million donation, this can be fine.

00:25:55.260 And they were like, well, we don't have any money, and, like, maybe in the future.

00:25:57.980 And within days, they sued, and the whole media.

00:26:00.900 This is what happens.

00:26:01.520 A lot of these nonprofits shake down—Al Sharpton really perfected this.

00:26:05.120 Here is Jonathan Greenblatt at a diner, exclusive footage, PlayCut23.

00:26:09.180 Crazy.

00:26:10.960 Well, look at this.

00:26:14.100 I told them medium rare.

00:26:16.120 It's medium.

00:26:17.000 It happens.

00:26:18.340 I bet that cook is an anti-Semite. 0.85

00:26:20.360 He can't even see you.

00:26:21.060 He has no idea who you are.

00:26:22.340 They don't just overcook a hamburger, Jerry.

00:26:26.040 Fine.

00:26:26.520 Anyway, the point I was making before Goebbels made your hamburger here is this.

00:26:31.480 A man like you could be dating women 20 years younger.

00:26:34.940 Believe me, I thought about it.

00:26:36.600 But she is so perfect in every way.

00:26:39.200 I can't see a floor.

00:26:40.780 Well, keep looking.

00:26:43.840 All right.

00:26:44.660 Jack, ADL, what is the danger that they represent to civil discourse?

00:26:50.620 Oh, the danger, I would really define it as a schtickle of fluoride, Charlie.

00:26:56.100 It's a schtickle of fluoride.

00:26:57.580 If you remember the Seinfeld reference, of course, this is Brian Cranston.

00:27:01.000 Before he went to Breaking Bad, he was Jerry's dentist.

00:27:06.600 He was a dentist.

00:27:07.160 In the famous Jerry's Heinfeld anti-dentite episode, pretty soon you're going to start saying that dentists should have their own schools.

00:27:16.740 They do have their own schools.

00:27:18.040 One of the great lines ever.

00:27:21.340 Yeah, it really is.

00:27:22.500 And if you don't know the context, I guess it doesn't make sense, but whatever.

00:27:25.740 Where he says essentially that he converted to Judaism just for the jokes.

00:27:29.960 That's kind of the punchline there.

00:27:31.920 He's like, this is our sense of humor that's kept us together as a people for 5,000 years, 6,000 years.

00:27:37.160 Even better, right?

00:27:40.460 And then he makes a joke about the Pope.

00:27:42.480 And he's like, no, it's okay, Jerry.

00:27:43.480 I used to be Christian, so I can do those too.

00:27:45.620 Or I used to be Catholic, whatever.

00:27:46.940 And so it's essentially the same kind of logic that you're taking yourself out.

00:27:53.760 Like if I were to say, oh, you're just attacking somebody for being Polish.

00:27:57.100 You're attacking somebody for being what?

00:27:58.400 But it's refusing to take any kind of criticism, refusing to take any kind of situation and playing it into your race, your ethnicity, your religion.

00:28:09.440 This is the same type of thing that you see out of critical race theory, by the way.

00:28:13.220 In critical race theory videos, I remember I was watching one.

00:28:16.800 This video is some documentary about critical race theory and everyday racism, right?

00:28:21.740 So everyday racism was one of these.

00:28:23.080 And there was literally a situation where a woman was recounting almost exactly what Uncle Leo said.

00:28:30.420 She said, well, you know, I was at a, this is a couple of years ago, but, you know, I was at a checkout line and I had to get paid with a check.

00:28:39.920 And the customer, you know, the clerk who was working with everybody, checking us out, said to see my ID.

00:28:46.000 She has to see my ID when I gave a check.

00:28:48.580 But I was there with my sister, who's lighter skinned than me, and she didn't have to show her ID.

00:28:54.140 And then they went on talking a little bit in the interview.

00:28:56.060 And she says, well, you know, I don't usually shop there.

00:28:57.780 I was visiting my sister.

00:28:58.840 Oh, so it's someone that your sister probably knows because she's gone there all the time.

00:29:04.820 And the reason they asked you for your ID was because they didn't recognize you.

00:29:09.300 And people don't usually pay by checking it. 0.94

00:29:11.620 Anyway, it's just ridiculous. 0.72

00:29:13.100 You can, you can turn anything into race. 0.86

00:29:14.880 And what's amazing, though, is if you actually look at that clip, Charlie, go back with Jonathan Greenblatt and Aaron Sorkin, that Jonathan Greenblatt comes very, very close, right up to the line, I would say, of declaring Aaron Sorkin, who is Jewish.

00:29:29.180 Yes, an anti-Semite.

00:29:30.680 An anti-Semite.

00:29:31.220 Very close.

00:29:31.700 Rather unbearable.

00:29:32.860 He's like right there.

00:29:34.260 He's right on the line.

00:29:36.140 So you have some tweets.

00:29:39.120 Yeah, so it's just there's so much history that, you know, one thing that's very promising about this feud between Musk and the ADL is now, like, you can just highlight a lot of, like, the ADL's been doing this stuff for a long time.

00:29:51.860 So Nate Hockman, he's a guy on Twitter.

00:29:55.180 He used to write for some places.

00:29:57.700 And he has, for over a decade, the ADL used undercover spies to conduct a vast, coordinated, and potentially illegal campaign of espionage against the John Birch Society.

00:30:07.980 So that was a right-wing, anti-communist society in the Cold War.

00:30:11.120 Sometimes it got really extreme.

00:30:11.940 Who was right about a lot, by the way.

00:30:12.660 But was right about a lot. 0.81

00:30:14.600 And I can't read the whole thread, but I encourage people to look up themselves.

00:30:20.140 They were basically, like, for years.

00:30:22.680 There's that, too.

00:30:23.280 I'll get to that in a second, Jack.

00:30:24.580 Okay, go ahead.

00:30:25.300 So they just had people infiltrating the John Birch Society.

00:30:28.460 And they were doing things like they would essentially engineer, like, fake John Birch Society meetings so that some major figure would show up that they wanted to get interviewed.

00:30:37.300 They were spying on people.

00:30:39.680 They were getting, like, information.

00:30:42.200 I think they might have been tapping phones.

00:30:43.860 So a lot of it was stuff that either got banned after it happened or was probably illegal at the time.

00:30:50.340 And they were just doing this for years on end to, you know, for the purposes of they thought the John Birch Society, you know, was against their ideological interests.

00:30:58.780 And they would do this to delegitimize public figures by tying them to the John Birch Society or by, you know, linking them with it.

00:31:05.700 And then the other thing here, another tweet I have is from Michael Schellenberger.

00:31:09.300 He's one of those guys who was getting the Twitter files.

00:31:11.180 And he just highlighted this story from 1993, so 30 years ago, where California police discovered that ADL was operating what the Los Angeles Times called a nationwide intelligence network that kept files, quote, on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions, and as many as 12,000 people.

00:31:31.620 This wasn't just things like white nationalist groups.

00:31:34.500 It was also Greenpeace, United Farm Workers, Institute for Palestine Studies, ACT UP, Association of Vietnam Veterans, and the Japanese Americans Citizens League.

00:31:44.420 Much of this information was obtained illegally from law enforcement.

00:31:47.980 And they eventually managed to avoid prosecution by donating $75,000 to anti-hate programs in San Francisco.

00:31:55.500 But it just went on and on.

00:31:56.780 Like, there was evidence that they had sold information about anti-apartheid protest groups to the South African government, which, you know, before apartheid fell.

00:32:05.320 It just, it goes on and on like this.

00:32:07.640 And, you know, obviously the ADL was created as an anti-hate organization.

00:32:13.220 But, you know.

00:32:14.220 They became the monster that they purported to fight.

00:32:16.860 It's the old Nietzschean paradox, right?

00:32:19.920 They are America's, like, them and the SPLC are America's, like, two premier hate groups in terms of who actually fans hatred.

00:32:26.580 In the United States.

00:32:27.680 It's the ADL.

00:32:28.780 It's the SPLC.

00:32:30.000 In that they smear people.

00:32:31.540 They encourage hate against groups of people. 0.68

00:32:34.860 They do this to basically everyone on the right by saying, like, oh, you are white nationalists. 0.99

00:32:39.720 You are racist. 1.00

00:32:40.700 You are anti-Semites. 1.00

00:32:42.080 You are this, that, that.

00:32:43.480 When your real offense is just you're not a liberal.

00:32:46.260 Yeah.

00:32:46.460 And so, look, the ADL is primarily financed by secular Jews who truly believe this is, and this is not an anti-Semitic trope.

00:32:55.300 This is a fact.

00:32:56.500 They are primarily financed by secular Jews who actually believe that the American right is modern Nazi, like, Hitlerian fascism. 0.79

00:33:06.420 And the ADL stokes this.

00:33:07.960 Yes, they stoke it.

00:33:08.780 They feed into it.

00:33:09.660 I have met some of these ADL donors.

00:33:12.020 We didn't get along very well, you know, because I went to all sorts of events.

00:33:15.720 When you're growing an organization, you get invited to something, you go to everything, right?

00:33:19.440 And so I would go to these pro-Israel events, and half the audience would be really conservative.

00:33:24.180 Half the audience would be not so conservative.

00:33:26.340 And I would talk, I would be, like, the only Christian there.

00:33:28.700 Tyler, you remember this.

00:33:29.480 You went to some of them with us, right?

00:33:30.680 All over the country.

00:33:31.380 It was really interesting.

00:33:32.160 We were only a few Christian, non-Jews there.

00:33:34.420 And some people were, like, in favor of the ADL.

00:33:36.860 And you talk to them, and they're super, super liberal.

00:33:39.000 But beyond being liberal, this is before Trump.

00:33:41.120 They were super convinced that the American conservative community, pre-Trump, was, like, the burgeoning up of the Third Reich.

00:33:49.420 Totally.

00:33:50.220 It's sad.

00:33:51.180 It's so sad.

00:33:52.100 SPLC was so good at this.

00:33:53.240 Morris Deese was this direct male kingpin. 0.99

00:33:55.360 And he'd send these things where it's, like, you know, the Fourth Reich is coming, and it's in America, and they're going to reopen Auschwitz and kill all of you. 0.99

00:34:02.560 Totally. 0.99

00:34:03.200 It's deranged.

00:34:04.200 They are manipulating people by fanning hysteria.

00:34:08.280 Playing on emotions.

00:34:08.880 Promoting.

00:34:09.300 Yeah, they manipulate emotions.

00:34:10.640 They promote hatred.

00:34:11.420 And that is, in fact, what real hate groups do.

00:34:13.400 Well, and this is why.

00:34:15.380 Yeah, go ahead.

00:34:16.740 What I would say, and, you know, is, look, I'm going to do that whole stereotypical thing of, like, I've got a lot of Orthodox Jewish friends.

00:34:25.360 But I do, right?

00:34:26.200 And I talk to them on a regular basis.

00:34:28.360 And what I would say is those guys tend to be conservative.

00:34:33.780 They tend to be Trump supporters.

00:34:35.580 So what I would ask is why, if you're an ADL supporter, if you're an ADL donor, go to an Orthodox Jew and ask them, why don't you see it? 0.62

00:34:50.560 Why do you believe something, right?

00:34:52.960 Why do you believe something that these guys don't even see at all, right?

00:34:57.340 When they look at the American right, the conservative movement, Trump supporters, they don't see what it is you're talking about.

00:35:02.520 They don't see what it is you're talking about at all.

00:35:05.000 In fact, they disagree vehemently with what you've said because they see the Abraham Accords.

00:35:10.500 They see the Jerusalem Embassy.

00:35:12.220 They see Jared Kushner and Ivanka, et cetera.

00:35:14.500 You can go down the entire list.

00:35:16.580 But have you ever actually tried having a conversation?

00:35:19.140 It's all masking.

00:35:20.020 Have a conversation.

00:35:21.240 And maybe you could actually come to an agreement on something instead of going in for these pressure campaigns and these crazy emotional – and I get it.

00:35:30.840 It's emotional.

00:35:31.660 It's emotional.

00:35:32.200 I understand that it's emotional.

00:35:33.680 But talk to some people who are in your own community who don't see it and ask them why it is that they don't see it.

00:35:41.920 Maybe there could be something you could chat about.

00:35:43.780 And I just want to reiterate something.

00:35:46.140 You go to ADL.org, this is the supply and demand problem, who Douglas Murray has pinpointed perfectly.

00:35:52.160 I know he's not a fan favorite of everybody.

00:35:53.920 I happen to really like Douglas Murray.

00:35:55.520 But Douglas Murray had this great quote where he says there's a supply –

00:35:58.480 Oh, yeah, North Russia, Douglas Murray.

00:36:00.940 I happen to like Douglas Murray.

00:36:02.920 Douglas Murray – I do.

00:36:04.540 I think he's very smart.

00:36:05.520 He's not right about everything.

00:36:06.400 Whatever.

00:36:06.780 Douglas Murray would say – he would say there's a supply and demand problem of racism and bigotry and hate in the West.

00:36:12.700 And you have these nonprofits that are funded under the premise of fighting hate.

00:36:17.840 And they have to find hate where it doesn't exist.

00:36:20.420 And so, Jack, can you go through the numbers on ADL.org where literally like one-fourth of all numbers are considered hate symbols?

00:36:27.360 I don't have it.

00:36:27.380 Hold on.

00:36:27.700 No, it's a real thing where at ADL.org, like number 1 through 11 and 15, 20, 30, 50.

00:36:34.100 Like it's not a joke where you have like one-third of all the numbers 1 through 100.

00:36:39.320 No, it's not a joke.

00:36:40.760 The numbers 1 to 11, 109, 110, 12, 13, 13, 52, 13, 90, 14, 14, 22, 23, 18, 21, 2, 12, 2, 11, 23, 23, 16, 28, 3, 11, 3, 18, 33, 6, 38, 43, 5, 11, 7, 3, 7, 83, and 88 are all hate symbols.

00:37:03.140 So there was a situation, by the way, a couple weeks ago, Charlie, I know you remember this, where RFK Jr. tweeted something about the Secret Service.

00:37:12.960 And people were actually claiming that because of the numbers in his tweet, it was a secretly coded hate message.

00:37:21.220 Yes.

00:37:21.520 Because some of the numbers in his tweet corresponded with numbers on the ADL's list.

00:37:25.260 So this is what's important, and this is where we need to go a level deeper.

00:37:29.160 This is how the SPLC operates and the ADL.

00:37:31.600 So the ADL, the whatever, the Anti-Defamation League, is near the same amount of budget of Turning Point USA.

00:37:37.880 We actually spend our money on real impact, right?

00:37:40.980 We educate students, millions of people, events, and all that.

00:37:43.940 Tons of staff.

00:37:44.840 Tons of staff, right?

00:37:45.660 The ADL doesn't do, they have some programming and stuff.

00:37:48.800 So what do they do?

00:37:51.060 Okay, this is where it gets real.

00:37:52.820 This is where it's not just an annoyance.

00:37:55.100 They primarily spend their energy and their money on meeting privately with corporations to get them to stop doing business with us.

00:38:04.720 This is what the SPLC has done.

00:38:06.880 And so they basically, they figured out that one of the great expenditures, one of the most effective expenditures on the left, is to give money to these organizations, primarily the SPLC and the ADL.

00:38:17.540 So the ADL has really, they have figured out that social media is going to be their thing, that they're going to lobby the social media companies saying anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism.

00:38:28.420 The SPLC, their big thing is credit card processing, right, Jack?

00:38:32.520 Is that correct, Blake?

00:38:33.780 Like movement of money, banking, credit card.

00:38:35.700 A little of both.

00:38:36.440 I mean, ADL has an agreement with PayPal, which, by the way, obviously ties into an interesting Elon backstory, because, of course, Elon comes directly from what they call the PayPal mafia.

00:38:47.680 This is also where Peter Thiel comes from.

00:38:48.720 Yeah, David Sachs, Peter Thiel, all that.

00:38:50.240 David Sachs, all those guys.

00:38:51.400 There's also a huge line here where a lot of this organization from the ADL was originally bankrolled by the Pierre Omidyar and the Omidyari Network.

00:39:01.280 So the Omidyar Network, funded by him and a lot of the groups that went into this stop hate for profit, stop profiting from hate campaign, originally to pressure advertisers, which was done on Facebook originally.

00:39:16.560 Zuck, of course, cocked immediately on this.

00:39:19.380 Elon is the one actually fighting back.

00:39:21.260 A lot of the organizations are also funded by Pierre Omidyar.

00:39:23.840 Who is Pierre Omidyar?

00:39:24.900 He's a French-Iranian billionaire, the founder of eBay.

00:39:29.600 What's the tie between eBay and Elon?

00:39:31.980 eBay buys PayPal $1.5 billion and really is the one that launched the PayPal mafia.

00:39:38.180 So there's a lot of history here, a lot of background, and what you're actually seeing on a higher level, if you look at it that way, isn't necessarily, Charlie, like the issues that you and I are talking about on the surface level here.

00:39:51.880 There's actually a much higher level at the overstate level where it's a massive oligarch fight, massive billionaire fight.

00:39:57.960 So, Blake, talk about what you just said in the chat.

00:39:59.960 It's important.

00:40:00.320 So the distinction is somewhat just off my memory of how it goes, but SPLC's big talent is they are, you know, they're all about we track hate groups.

00:40:10.800 You know, there's 15 white.

00:40:12.240 And it's a joke.

00:40:12.700 Yeah, you know, there's 15.

00:40:13.360 Moms for Liberty is a hate group. 1.00

00:40:14.540 There's 15 white supremacist groups in Arizona or whatever.

00:40:17.680 They were kicked out of Twitter's trust council even under Jack Dorsey.

00:40:20.460 And so there's a lot of two kind of – so it's sort of this, like, you know, two-fifths where what SPLC will do is they'll be the ones who say you're a hate group, you're a hate figure.

00:40:31.140 So either your organization or your specific person.

00:40:33.840 And then ADL is the one who seemed to have more experience in leveraging that into you get banned from Twitter, you get, you know, you get no advertisers.

00:40:42.420 They're kind of good at that institutional manipulation.

00:40:45.380 SPLC, at least until a few years ago, had much more of that standing of being like, oh, well, they're experts on hate.

00:40:52.180 You know, they track these hate groups.

00:40:53.940 They're the ones who say hate incidents across America are up 45% because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and all of that.

00:41:00.740 And they've also gotten spectacularly rich off that.

00:41:03.140 I think – in fact, they got – I think they got their endowment up to, like, $700 million.

00:41:08.940 At SPLC?

00:41:09.420 At SPLC.

00:41:10.240 They have this huge headquarters in Montgomery.

00:41:11.480 I think it was, like, $400 million.

00:41:12.000 I'll check, yeah.

00:41:12.540 Yeah, the Poverty Palace, I think they call it.

00:41:15.160 Oh, is that right?

00:41:15.920 Yeah, that's the nickname.

00:41:16.640 Even with staff because staffers – I mean, liberals have been attacking the SPLC for decades for basically saying it's a sham.

00:41:24.340 Can I ask you something?

00:41:24.940 I'm not very good at politics.

00:41:26.680 $723 million.

00:41:28.900 Is Alabama – that's, like, a blue state?

00:41:32.060 Are they a purple state?

00:41:33.120 Where do they fall politically, Alabama?

00:41:35.540 I mean, Alabama, they – man, you're right.

00:41:39.160 I mean, they have the SPLC there, and it just – it functions without any harassment.

00:41:43.900 So I have to assume it's a blue state without doing any further research.

00:41:46.980 It's got to be – I mean, deep blue, right?

00:41:48.720 Deep blue, deep blue.

00:41:49.640 I would assume it's one of the most Democrat states in the U.S.

00:41:52.060 As your –

00:41:52.780 As your –

00:41:53.160 They have one of their expenditures on their 990 as voting programs.

00:41:57.420 Yeah.

00:41:57.980 They spend $767,000 as a C3 on voting programs.

00:42:02.560 Yeah.

00:42:03.080 That's – anyway, I'm sure that's all kosher. 0.50

00:42:05.400 But no, but this is what's important.

00:42:06.500 Yeah, you're right, Blake.

00:42:07.160 I mean, I'm just at a loss for words.

00:42:08.940 They have $723 million in total assets.

00:42:13.540 Now, I just have to say, I'm impressed at how ineffective they are with this kind of – if

00:42:17.900 we had this kind of resources at Turning Point, like, game on.

00:42:21.200 That's like a liberal arts college worth of, like, impotently building up –

00:42:24.620 No, I know.

00:42:25.160 I'm actually impressed that, like, actually, besides a couple of lists of lobbying –

00:42:29.160 Charlie, if Turning Point had that much money, we'd all be working four days a week

00:42:32.880 and, like, living rich off of foreign tariffs right now.

00:42:36.480 Yeah.

00:42:36.920 I mean, it's – you go to the SPLC website.

00:42:39.620 They're Hatewatch, which is a joke, right?

00:42:41.880 But this is what's important, is they create fake standards to then go to companies that

00:42:47.600 don't know any better to bully and intimidate them to stop doing business with us.

00:42:51.780 So if you know about cancel culture, deplatforming, it starts with these nonprofits where their

00:42:56.340 full-time job is to do this.

00:42:59.100 Jack.

00:43:01.340 I mean, that's exactly right.

00:43:02.900 And keep in mind that whenever we bring up the SPLC, we all – even though the fact

00:43:06.660 that they were kicked out of Twitter's safety counsel, even under Jack Dorsey.

00:43:12.520 So even on the previous iteration of Twitter, when it was like liberal woke Twitter said, 0.99

00:43:16.480 no, no, you guys are just ridiculous. 0.98

00:43:17.880 They also inspired a mass shooting at a Christian organization, a psychotic individual by the 1.00

00:43:24.800 name of Floyd and Perkins.

00:43:25.240 Family Research Center, I think, right?

00:43:27.120 Yeah.

00:43:27.300 Targeted, yes, to our Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council.

00:43:31.900 And, Charlie, what he did, he went to the SPLC's Hatewatch map, looked up the closest location

00:43:38.720 to him, and before he went there to kill everybody at the Family Research Council – and fortunately

00:43:45.220 he didn't because there was a security guard who was armed, by the way, and a good guy

00:43:48.920 with a gun did what he was supposed to do – Charlie, he stopped at a Chick-fil-A.

00:43:53.500 Do you know why he stopped at the Chick-fil-A, Charlie?

00:43:57.040 Because the Chick-fil-A funded the SPLC?

00:44:00.120 Because the – no, this was actually before that, but yes, that is true.

00:44:04.360 Because this guy – but no, you got to hear this.

00:44:07.760 So this guy, Floyd B. Corkins, his plan was that he was going to kill everybody inside 0.98

00:44:13.140 the Family Research Council and then smear Chick-fil-A sandwiches all over their dead bodies. 1.00

00:44:19.380 So when he showed up, he actually had a bag of Chick-fil-A sandwiches with him.

00:44:23.420 So that's what the SPLC is up to.

00:44:26.280 So, Blake, how can we stop the SPLC?

00:44:28.360 What could the Alabama Attorney General do?

00:44:30.580 I mean, it would help to just be like, okay, you guys have $750 million and you have about

00:44:35.900 30 years of liberals saying like, wow, this organization is kind of bullcrap and lies

00:44:40.280 to everyone. 0.94

00:44:41.100 And they also had a big sexual harassment scandal four years ago, I think.

00:44:45.640 And they were like, we're going to investigate this.

00:44:47.340 We're going to hire Obama alumni to investigate this.

00:44:50.240 That was never mentioned again.

00:44:51.740 That was entirely brushed under the rug.

00:44:53.380 So, like, would it kill the Alabama AG's office to just, you know, detail a few lawyers

00:44:58.640 onto that and, you know, see what they can dig up?

00:45:01.200 It seems like they have a lot of bitter ex-employees.

00:45:03.720 So the other one is the-

00:45:04.620 I mean, James O'Keefe is getting investigated for, you know, riding Uber black.

00:45:07.720 Yeah, by the Westchester DA, a local DA who should be worried about, I don't know, rape,

00:45:12.400 murder, arson, theft, dogs urinating on the wrong lawn.

00:45:16.320 Like, that's what DAs do, okay?

00:45:18.120 Like, I don't know, someone going and smashing mailboxes.

00:45:20.560 DA, okay?

00:45:21.680 Traffic violation.

00:45:22.720 DA.

00:45:23.500 DUI.

00:45:23.940 Do you not, hey, I have a charity and I did Uber black one too many times.

00:45:29.720 By the way, he didn't.

00:45:30.780 Let's just be very clear.

00:45:32.420 And so, but our side doesn't fight.

00:45:34.620 That's how it is.

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00:46:48.920 All right.

00:46:50.180 So many people are asking on thought crimes and there are some rumble rants.

00:46:54.020 Charlie and team, what are your comments about the man who claimed he had sex with Barack

00:47:00.280 Obama?

00:47:01.320 Let's play.

00:47:02.600 I believe him.

00:47:03.360 Hold on.

00:47:04.020 Let's play this piece of tape.

00:47:05.320 Ryan has it. 0.51

00:47:06.520 And this will establish cut 87 man who claims that he had sex with Barack Obama.

00:47:10.640 I want to start by thanking Harvey Weinstein.

00:47:15.740 This is possible because of Harvey.

00:47:18.000 He is a wonderful human being, a good friend, and just a powerhouse.

00:47:24.500 I'm sorry.

00:47:25.600 That's Michelle Obama.

00:47:26.780 Wrong one.

00:47:27.240 Just wrong clip.

00:47:28.280 It's totally the wrong clip.

00:47:30.740 Was that Whoopi Goldberg behind her?

00:47:32.300 Totally.

00:47:32.820 Ryan, I told you not to have that.

00:47:36.020 We have to be more precise.

00:47:37.620 Who was the other person behind it?

00:47:38.840 So Larry Sinclair is obviously what we're talking about, not Michelle Obama.

00:47:42.400 No, no.

00:47:42.780 That's Larry Sinclair.

00:47:43.980 Which we already talked about, too.

00:47:46.800 We brought up today.

00:47:48.520 What's Larry Sinclair's White House?

00:47:49.980 What should we call it?

00:47:50.480 The town that it happened in.

00:47:53.500 Chicago?

00:47:54.280 No, it was.

00:47:54.920 But it wasn't in Gurnee.

00:47:57.340 Is that what they claim?

00:47:59.220 I swear that's the story.

00:48:01.300 That was in Gurnee, Illinois.

00:48:02.720 Oh, did it happen in Gurnee?

00:48:04.460 Right near Six Flags? 1.00

00:48:05.640 That's like the weirdest place to have cokehead gay sex. 1.00

00:48:09.620 We have to tell everybody about Gurnee. 1.00

00:48:11.580 You have to explain Gurnee to people.

00:48:13.160 Okay, so before we get into that, I feel obliged to do this.

00:48:16.180 So we had Jan Cox 04, did pay for a Rumble rant.

00:48:19.340 A vote from you guys.

00:48:20.920 Is Larry Sinclair legit?

00:48:22.840 Raise your hands, RNC debate style.

00:48:26.620 Let's do it.

00:48:27.340 Raise your hands if you think it's legit.

00:48:28.320 We raised the hands and they took it off.

00:48:30.660 No one has that much detail.

00:48:32.600 He said Gurnee.

00:48:33.280 Charlie's pulling a DeSantis on us.

00:48:35.200 He's looking around.

00:48:35.700 Yeah, but let me tell you why.

00:48:36.640 I actually don't trust him, but I do think that, here's what I'll say. 0.96

00:48:40.280 If you grow up in Chicago politics, okay, it is very well known that Obama's gay. 0.96

00:48:46.160 Okay?

00:48:46.560 Have you listened to the music he likes?

00:48:48.180 Yeah, I mean, but by the way, it's just, I heard from so many people.

00:48:52.420 Have you paid attention to literally anything about Barack Obama?

00:48:55.620 Yes.

00:48:55.940 And so do we have any clip of Larry Sinclair?

00:48:59.720 Have you seen him ride a bike?

00:49:01.080 Down low Barry.

00:49:01.180 Have you seen him ride a bike?

00:49:02.080 Barry.

00:49:02.940 Call him down low Barry.

00:49:04.080 Let's put cut 81.

00:49:05.420 This is Barack Obama prancing around.

00:49:08.280 Yep.

00:49:10.640 There he is.

00:49:12.740 It's quite an oppo dump in case they were thinking of all of a sudden putting Michelle Obama as the new candidate.

00:49:17.960 So three-dimensional chess, Joe Biden campaign launches Larry Sinclair out.

00:49:25.980 Four-dimensional chess.

00:49:28.040 Right.

00:49:28.760 Because this isn't the first thing this has happened recently, right?

00:49:31.740 There's been a couple other.

00:49:32.640 There was like some letter that came out recently that Obama had written to a girlfriend when he was in college.

00:49:39.200 I think it was at the University of Chicago about how he fantasizes. 1.00

00:49:42.920 I have sex with gay men every night in my dreams. 1.00

00:49:44.980 And it's like in his handwriting and nobody disputed it. 1.00

00:49:48.480 I feel almost like what's going on here is someone is sending a message to the Obama camp.

00:49:56.000 And it wouldn't surprise me if it was like Hillary or maybe even Newsom.

00:50:00.080 Hillary and Newsom working together to basically send a message that all of this is going to come out.

00:50:05.500 The other explanation that started this is that chef was found dead in the lake, right?

00:50:10.940 And that just kind of just got people thinking.

00:50:13.540 The paddleboarder.

00:50:14.200 Right.

00:50:14.500 Of course, Blake says, nothing to see here.

00:50:15.980 Totally normal.

00:50:16.700 Chef in the lake.

00:50:17.960 Obviously, it's totally normal.

00:50:19.580 We shouldn't even think about it if you do.

00:50:21.060 You're committing a thought crime.

00:50:22.240 Okay.

00:50:22.820 Here's the clip I meant to Ryan play, not of Michelle.

00:50:27.700 Play cut 73.

00:50:29.640 Donald Young is a choir director and a school teacher.

00:50:32.960 He was a choir director at Jeremiah Wright's church in Chicago, the same church that Barack Obama went to.

00:50:39.980 He was also a very openly gay black man, but very well respected.

00:50:46.700 Did you know him?

00:50:47.640 I had never met him.

00:50:49.700 I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed until a good two months after.

00:50:59.900 Donald Young's own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect Barack Obama.

00:51:07.940 Okay.

00:51:08.660 And then let's continue with cut 74.

00:51:10.280 The last conversation that I had had with Donald Young, he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me.

00:51:23.500 As far as who I had spoken to, who I had given any information to, uh, and to get that to them.

00:51:31.120 Uh, he had told me to be careful, to watch myself and to understand that the Barack Obama campaign was not in any way, shape or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything.

00:51:45.440 And he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time and had had an intimate relationship with Barack for quite some time.

00:51:53.800 He told you that?

00:51:54.460 Yep.

00:51:56.320 Okay.

00:51:56.900 So, so first of all, let's just get our facts straight. 0.99

00:51:59.020 This guy allegedly had gay sex with Obama. 0.99

00:52:01.000 So this man, yeah. 1.00

00:52:01.680 Larry Sinclair allegedly did coke, did stuff with Obama.

00:52:05.940 And then now he's saying Donald Young, who was a choir director at Jeremiah Wright's church.

00:52:11.100 You remember that guy.

00:52:12.920 Uh, he also was apparently openly gay and he was killed.

00:52:16.360 And even though Chicago has, you know, what?

00:52:18.820 500, 700 murders a year. 0.92

00:52:21.040 We're going to suppose that this one might've been that the Obama campaign, which didn't kill Larry Sinclair, despite him having sex with Larry Sinclair.

00:52:29.720 They took out Donald Young.

00:52:31.020 And so now we've got, now we've got a murder conspiracy.

00:52:33.660 Got it.

00:52:34.060 It's the perfect crime.

00:52:34.880 I'll admit, I, I find that one a little dubious.

00:52:39.900 You know, I don't, I just like Obama in a lot of ways, but I, I don't think his campaign was going around icing people before the 08 election.

00:52:48.120 For one, I think Hillary Clinton probably would have, would have pointed that out. 0.99

00:52:52.880 Maybe not.

00:52:53.900 There, there, she was incompetent, but I think they would have tried. 1.00

00:52:57.920 So the question is, Jack, is Barack Obama a gay coke head? 1.00

00:53:01.240 I mean, at this point, it seems like we've got a lot of evidence coming forward. 0.99

00:53:09.800 And like I said before, I think that a message is clearly being sent to the Obama camp, the Obama family right now, whether it's from the Chicago machine or you got to understand that the Democrats operate, they are a machine of machines, a mafia of mafias, if you will.

00:53:29.120 And so the Biden side of things was just sort of a, you know, they have no actual power, right?

00:53:35.400 They were a means to an end.

00:53:36.460 And so Biden's propped up there, but nobody actually cares about Hunter.

00:53:39.080 He's causing a lot of problems for people.

00:53:40.800 Nobody cares about Jill.

00:53:41.800 Sorry.

00:53:42.320 Sorry, Dr. Jill.

00:53:43.280 It's just true.

00:53:43.880 And certainly nobody cares about Joe Biden, but they want to use him because he polls well and his name polls well.

00:53:48.240 He's very well tested from his era with Obama being sort of Obama's buddy.

00:53:52.620 So it seems like a message is being sent to Obama from someone in terms of all of this.

00:53:59.900 That's why you're seeing all of this come out right now.

00:54:02.740 And my big question isn't necessarily, OK, does it hurt Obama?

00:54:07.080 My big question is who benefits?

00:54:08.920 Qui bono?

00:54:09.360 Who is benefiting from all of this coming out and why now all of a sudden?

00:54:14.740 I guess a good question is do we benefit?

00:54:17.300 The reaction on Twitter has interested me.

00:54:19.320 Like the left has actually not really responded.

00:54:21.800 They're kind of ignoring it, right?

00:54:23.020 They're ignoring it.

00:54:23.720 Which is amazing.

00:54:24.080 And the right is actually, you know, decently split.

00:54:26.480 Obviously, we have to admit, this is all extremely funny.

00:54:30.000 Like the trailer as Tucker released it is super funny.

00:54:33.380 And it's just like, and then he put his arm on your leg, you know, all of that.

00:54:36.380 But at the same time, you know, obviously we all like Tucker.

00:54:41.980 Tucker's really interesting.

00:54:43.340 And I think there was a reaction of a lot of people on Twitter, which was, is this, should

00:54:49.060 we be talking about this actually?

00:54:50.840 Like, you know, given we've got, you know, it's weird for him to go straight from interviewing

00:54:54.540 like Victor Orban about like how to preserve your country as a citadel of Western Christian 0.98

00:55:00.060 civilization against globalization and LGBT and mass immigration and all that.

00:55:05.240 And then be like, and now we're going to go to this guy who says he did crack with Obama.

00:55:11.000 That there is, that there is.

00:55:13.140 Not just crack.

00:55:14.940 Play cut 31 for the trailer.

00:55:16.880 Blowing whistles.

00:55:17.440 You're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to party.

00:55:22.460 Yeah.

00:55:22.900 Pulled up in a bar outside and there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama.

00:55:28.560 I had given Barack $250 to pay for Coke.

00:55:32.020 I start putting a line on a CD tray to snort.

00:55:35.940 And next thing I know, he's got a little pipe and he's smoking.

00:55:39.480 So I just started rubbing my hand along his thigh to see where it was going.

00:55:43.800 And it went the direction I had intended it to go. 0.98

00:55:46.760 Even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him, watched him smoke crack

00:55:50.080 twice, you had no idea who he was. 0.55

00:55:51.740 I had no idea who he was.

00:55:53.460 This has to be the obvious question.

00:55:54.560 What was Obama like on that?

00:55:56.680 Is it your sense that that's who Obama is?

00:55:58.620 Just transactional or that he's bisexual?

00:56:01.000 Or like, what is that?

00:56:01.760 It definitely wasn't Barack's first time.

00:56:03.880 And I would almost be willing to bet you it wasn't as long.

00:56:07.200 The guy's running for president and credible information comes out that he's smoking crack 0.99

00:56:11.960 and having sex with dudes. 0.99

00:56:13.500 That seems like a story. 0.97

00:56:14.780 Well, it would be a story if the media really cared about telling people the truth.

00:56:21.700 All right, Blake.

00:56:22.640 Oh, so it sounds like he was a selfish lover.

00:56:25.040 Well, I don't, I don't want to get anything in return.

00:56:28.060 I'm just happy to make a man happy.

00:56:30.120 And like, it's just very bizarre.

00:56:32.600 It's the tone of it is very like the dramatic music versus this guy who sounds like a family

00:56:38.060 guy, that family guy, creeper character.

00:56:40.280 So, Tyler, Gurney, Illinois.

00:56:45.260 Is that where this happened?

00:56:46.420 Gurney, Illinois?

00:56:47.240 That's, I, I, I really wasn't paying attention to any of it until I heard Gurney.

00:56:51.540 Well, hold on.

00:56:52.120 That makes me believe it less, to be honest.

00:56:54.260 Like, what was Barack Obama doing up in Gurney, Illinois?

00:56:56.920 Riding rides.

00:56:58.260 He was riding.

00:56:59.120 He was riding lots of rides.

00:57:00.040 It's right near Six Flags, just so we're clear.

00:57:01.600 Right, Six Flags.

00:57:01.940 It's like right on the border.

00:57:03.380 There's nothing.

00:57:03.900 If you've driven between Chicago and Milwaukee, you'll drive right by and you won't really

00:57:09.120 even realize where you're at, but it's the middle of freaking nowhere.

00:57:11.180 It's the middle of nowhere.

00:57:11.980 It's like far away.

00:57:12.580 It's so far away.

00:57:13.420 I spent a lot of, a lot of very important time there.

00:57:16.480 A lot of very, very important time in my life.

00:57:18.260 Not Gurney, but Great Lakes is right there.

00:57:23.180 Yeah, Lake Michigan is right there.

00:57:24.280 That's the Navy, Navy, Navy bootcamp is right there.

00:57:26.520 No, that's right.

00:57:27.120 Right near Zion Benton.

00:57:28.000 U.S. Naval Station, Great Lakes.

00:57:30.140 That, that is true.

00:57:31.480 So, so Jack, what does this matter?

00:57:33.640 I guess the question is, I guess Barack Obama has just been lying to us.

00:57:36.460 If it's true, I guess that's the next media spin story. 0.98

00:57:39.260 Who cares if he's gay? 1.00

00:57:41.860 You know who the real person who's mad is? 0.98

00:57:43.920 Pete Buttigieg. 0.98

00:57:44.500 He thought he would be the first gay president.

00:57:46.340 Well, yeah, LBJ was. 0.88

00:57:48.880 And the thing is, is a lot of people wonder if Pete Buttigieg is really gay.

00:57:52.080 Yeah, Pete Buttigieg is more straight than Barack Obama. 0.98

00:57:54.020 No, LBJ was actually omnisexual because he would have sex with anything. 0.98

00:57:57.520 Who, LBJ? 0.99

00:57:58.780 Yes.

00:57:59.000 I mean, given the stories you can read about LBJ, yeah, yeah, it seems, seems so, yeah.

00:58:05.980 He, it was really, he was really after JFK.

00:58:07.800 Jumbo, he called it.

00:58:08.920 He was really after JFK.

00:58:10.360 So, but, but Jack, should this story matter?

00:58:13.960 Well, I think it should matter for a lot of reasons, Charlie.

00:58:16.100 I mean, when it's, I said to somebody who was involved with the interview the other day when we were chatting about it.

00:58:22.260 And I said, you know, it's amazing to me that the media will force feed us, you know, Donald Trump's second cousin's, IT staffers, you know, roommate.

00:58:32.660 And all of a sudden he's being charged over this.

00:58:34.660 And we know all of these basic facts about Trump's life, his family, his extended family are turning them into stuff.

00:58:40.220 But when it comes to a guy who's Barack Obama, who was president for twice as long as Trump was, right, you could ask any American basic facts about him and they just don't know, right?

00:58:50.380 There's this huge black hole about Barack Obama's past that has always been there and has never really been open.

00:58:59.080 It's just never been open.

00:59:00.200 And so I do think that we should actually ask questions about who our leaders are, how they got there, and how we as a country got to where we are.

00:59:08.740 Yeah, I mean, they pulled up, you know, behind the scenes tape of Donald Trump.

00:59:14.600 They probably listened to thousands and thousands of hours of Donald Trump on camera for decades.

00:59:22.080 But, like, again, like, I was just pulling up in there, like, does anybody ever talk about, you know, Brock's Columbia roommate who happens to be gay and, like, is in hiding in Seattle that never wants to talk to the, you know, to the press?

00:59:35.880 You know, there's all this stuff, like, I mean, it is.

00:59:38.900 Whoa, is that you on the screen there, Tyler?

00:59:40.600 There's so much stuff.

00:59:41.840 I've got that big mustache.

00:59:42.940 Yeah, the mustache.

00:59:43.940 Tyler, I didn't know you were, tell us about your, what was it like being roommates with Barack Obama?

00:59:49.480 Or, as in 79, down low, down low Barry.

00:59:53.900 Well, see, since the first day I was in the movement, in the conservative movement, people in Chicago would be like, you know, Barack Obama's part of the down low gang.

01:00:02.220 And I was like, come on. 0.94

01:00:03.420 And you start to hear it from more and more credible people, like state senators that served with him, and they're like, he's 100% gay.

01:00:09.380 And it's just like, no one, I guess, really cared, Blake.

01:00:11.320 Blake, so where are you at?

01:00:13.200 You're normie on this.

01:00:14.220 Yeah, but have you not watched him ride a bike?

01:00:16.320 We try to know what it's like.

01:00:16.880 As the resident normie here, I don't really think Larry Sinclair is telling the truth, but I do think.

01:00:22.860 I'm with you.

01:00:23.260 I'm not even convinced of him.

01:00:24.320 I think we have a lot of evidence to believe that Barack is a down low brother.

01:00:29.040 I actually was not that convinced by Larry. 0.98

01:00:31.620 He just kind of seems like a crazy person.

01:00:33.100 And Gurney, Illinois, lose me. 0.97

01:00:34.240 There's no way. 1.00

01:00:35.280 But the, I mean, I think Obama's gay. 1.00

01:00:38.180 So, and you would agree. 0.98

01:00:40.100 I think so.

01:00:40.540 I think there's a mountain of evidence. 0.74

01:00:43.600 Now, I guess, as we've said on our show, I don't know how much gay stuff he's done.

01:00:48.380 Now, now here's the real question.

01:00:50.480 Is the, here's the 5D chess.

01:00:52.160 Is the Obama camp leaking this out to increase Michelle Obama's likability?

01:00:56.900 I had a bisexual husband my whole life and we still made it work.

01:01:02.000 Plague cut 64.

01:01:04.760 And do you think that the country will see the first, the United States will see the first gay president or the first woman president?

01:01:09.320 We already have it with Obama.

01:01:11.100 So, let's just calm down.

01:01:13.240 Got it. 0.99

01:01:14.580 You know Michelle is a tramp. 1.00

01:01:17.180 I'm sorry, she's a what? 1.00

01:01:19.800 A transgender. 0.76

01:01:21.500 We all know.

01:01:22.340 Oh my gosh.

01:01:23.180 Oh my gosh.

01:01:24.680 It's okay.

01:01:26.880 Oh my gosh.

01:01:27.820 Now, this is, I'll admit it's funny, but like, I am meeting more and more people who believe this is literally true.

01:01:33.820 And I do, I do have to put the brakes on this.

01:01:35.260 Like, guys, we're projecting back here.

01:01:37.840 Like, we have Michelle Obama's high school photos, like, in her yearbook.

01:01:42.000 We have her thesis, as we've read on the show before.

01:01:45.300 Which is.

01:01:45.540 It's really bad.

01:01:46.560 It's psychobabble.

01:01:47.680 And it's not, it doesn't talk about, you know, her being, you know, a biological male and struggling with that at Princeton.

01:01:54.260 So, it'd be quite the psyop for them to have covered that all up for years in advance.

01:01:59.620 But it is funny.

01:02:00.920 And, you know, so it will endure because it is funny.

01:02:03.460 I mean, the one thing that I will say that it reminds me of is that, so Obama admitted in his memoir that he smoked like a pack of cigarettes a day when he was in the White House.

01:02:18.380 And yet, you can barely find any photos of him.

01:02:22.740 And we all know the White House is one of the most heavily, needily photographed areas in the entire country.

01:02:29.980 Yet, there's hardly any photos of this.

01:02:32.140 And so, this was a secret that the Washington press, the White House, correspondents, et cetera, et cetera, were all in on for eight years.

01:02:42.840 They maintained this.

01:02:43.820 That people would go around and, you know, I remember from covering the White House when I was there in the Trump years, that you would just, you would see the president.

01:02:49.820 You'd see him going here.

01:02:50.900 You'd see him going there.

01:02:51.540 You'd see him at a meeting, right?

01:02:52.340 He worked there, right?

01:02:53.380 He lived there, too.

01:02:54.220 So, you'd see him around all the time.

01:02:55.800 The idea that this guy could hide smoking and the media just wouldn't take photos of it and kept it a secret for eight years leads me to believe that, yes, there are lots of things that they would be willing to hide to protect their guys.

01:03:08.660 And does it matter, Blake?

01:03:10.360 Does it, is this, is this something that matters?

01:03:12.880 In a weird way, I think the answer is no, and it's not, like, because, it's because, like, the entire Obama presidency is actually a black hole.

01:03:20.900 There's another guy on Twitter, Paul Scalas, the Lindy Man guy.

01:03:24.280 Lindy Man.

01:03:24.900 He was president for eight years, and, like, what's his cultural impact?

01:03:28.260 What do you most remember about it?

01:03:29.660 It's, like, even, like, Obamacare.

01:03:31.580 Can you remember what Obamacare did?

01:03:33.180 It's just, his entire presidency is just sort of this, like, compared to Bush before him, compared to Trump afterwards, compared even to Biden.

01:03:40.180 It's just, like, the whole thing never happened.

01:03:42.040 Like, the movies that came out then barely matter.

01:03:44.400 The websites that were big then are, like, all defunct now.

01:03:47.700 Like, there's no, there's no aesthetic changes whatsoever.

01:03:51.260 That's the biggest, the biggest difference is in the effect it had on race relations.

01:03:55.360 Well, he had Obamacare, Kagan, and Sotomayor would be his legacy.

01:03:59.420 Yeah, and, like, the great awokening happens in his second term.

01:04:01.980 But even that's much more associated.

01:04:03.240 And the staffing of the bureaucracy.

01:04:04.340 And that's, but even that's much more associated with Trump, who came after.

01:04:07.740 Like, Obama himself, it's just, like, it's like the dude never happened.

01:04:13.360 Other than on right-wing Twitter, where we still watch funny interviews.

01:04:16.340 Yeah, we barely, this is the first time we've actually talked about Obama in years.

01:04:21.920 Like, as an actual news cycle involving him.

01:04:25.040 Is that anyone who spent time with him in the Senate, he's incredibly lazy. 0.97

01:04:29.260 He's a very lazy person.

01:04:31.580 Now, that is not the case of Kamala Harris, like, incredibly ambitious.

01:04:35.380 Obama's not that ambitious.

01:04:36.880 Kamala Harris worked hard to sleep her way at the top. 1.00

01:04:39.160 No, she did it the old-fashioned way. 0.59

01:04:41.020 She did it with, what, that guy's name, Lamar, or Jamal, or Damar.

01:04:45.040 What was his name?

01:04:46.520 And with, she with Slick Willie. 0.99

01:04:52.160 Yeah, Willie Brown.

01:04:52.940 Willie Brown.

01:04:53.600 Yeah, and then she also, yeah, I mean, she slept with everybody on her way up. 1.00

01:04:57.420 She did it the old-fashioned way. 0.71

01:04:59.000 And, I mean, like, Gavin Newsom works very hard.

01:05:01.200 I think he's got Montel Williams.

01:05:02.480 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:05:03.800 Montel.

01:05:04.120 Montel.

01:05:04.280 I was close.

01:05:05.300 And so, Gavin Newsom was doing everything he, I mean, he's super ambitious.

01:05:08.880 Obama's lazy. 0.99

01:05:10.580 Obama's a very lazy person. 0.98

01:05:12.800 I interned with a senator a decade ago who, you know, played in the Senate Basketball League 0.97

01:05:18.420 because, you know, Obama was famous for, you know, all his basketball shots.

01:05:21.340 Oh, he's so good at basketball.

01:05:22.140 He's like, Obama didn't even play basketball.

01:05:23.940 That was all fake.

01:05:26.220 Yeah, he's not even, I mean, he can't even throw a baseball.

01:05:28.420 Definitely can't throw a baseball.

01:05:30.920 Now, do we have a video of his little limp wrist baseball throw?

01:05:35.380 Do you think him and Sinclair might have done other things with baseball?

01:05:39.080 Like what?

01:05:39.900 I'm not going to, dude, if your imagination can't fill in the rest, I'm not filling it in.

01:05:49.100 Someone say something.

01:05:49.880 I disagree with you guys on the legacy of Barack Obama.

01:05:54.540 I think the greatest legacy that he has is guys like Eric Holder who went on.

01:05:59.800 I mean, the guys that actually have puppeteered this country now and have made such negative impact.

01:06:05.860 And never forget, Eric Holder was originally put in by Ronald Reagan.

01:06:10.360 So, you know, if there's one thing that I actually am very negative about Ronald Reagan about is that you just, you can't put anyone.

01:06:21.500 This is why the conservative movement has to do.

01:06:23.980 Well, I'm just saying if there's one thing that I think has been the biggest negative impact on the country, Eric Holder came straight out of the Obama administration trying to manipulate our entire country.

01:06:33.520 And he's been doing it ever since.

01:06:34.780 And most of the things that we complain about every single day are the product of Eric Holder.

01:06:39.520 If you want to talk about Googling and not finding anything on the Internet about anyone, try to look up where Eric Holder is today. 0.94

01:06:45.160 He's a thug man. 0.94

01:06:46.080 He's an apparition. 0.99

01:06:47.440 You can't find him.

01:06:48.940 No one's tracking him.

01:06:50.240 And yet he's one of the most powerful, most influential people.

01:06:53.180 It's a construct past the Obama administration.

01:06:55.860 Yeah, so your point, Blake.

01:06:56.780 You actually just made a great point.

01:06:58.820 Oh, I was going to say that, Tyler, that could you imagine if we had the power of Google like 2014, 2013 back?

01:07:07.980 Do you guys remember how good Google and YouTube search algorithms used to be where you could actually – you could just type in whatever you want and boom, you would get the information and you would even find information that was relevant to what you actually wanted.

01:07:20.980 This is before all the force algorithms and the SEO and the advertising changed everything.

01:07:27.080 You could find whatever you want on Eric Holder.

01:07:29.100 It was an actual free Internet that existed for this like brief shining moment.

01:07:35.540 And now for anybody who's coming in in the TikTok era or the X era, they have no idea what they missed out on because the Internet actually used to be amazing.

01:07:45.840 And by the way, it's because of groups like the ADL, like the SPLC, like other people that have taken it away from us.

01:07:52.740 And I just want to say this with a piggyback on that.

01:07:56.520 Guys like Eric Holder, they curate every single sentence that's on the Internet about the guy.

01:08:03.380 And it's the same thing as Obama.

01:08:04.780 Every single thing.

01:08:05.920 If you watch it –

01:08:06.520 They're a simulation, man.

01:08:07.680 You will never – you didn't even realize it's happening.

01:08:11.060 Normal people –

01:08:11.720 Buttigieg is the same way.

01:08:12.660 What's that?

01:08:13.120 Buttigieg is a creation. 1.00

01:08:14.340 They have a lot of this.

01:08:15.720 Yeah, he is.

01:08:16.520 And it's crazy.

01:08:18.100 It's unbelievable that nobody ever talks about it.

01:08:20.600 Here's –

01:08:21.380 The word pedophile.

01:08:23.420 Okay, so let's get to Barry Sotero, chief operating officer of the Tomb Gang and member of the Down Low Club, Playcut 92.

01:08:31.720 Commander-in-Chief clad in the white socks jacket and those jeans and lollipop curving.

01:08:41.180 Albert Pujols and – well.

01:08:43.400 They said lollipop.

01:08:45.360 They said it.

01:08:47.540 They said it.

01:08:48.920 Pujols and Pujols. 0.99

01:08:50.740 That's a gay throw right there. 1.00

01:08:52.740 That's a pretty gay throw. 0.97

01:08:53.720 By the way, what's with those jeans? 0.95

01:08:55.300 Can we play this again?

01:08:56.920 Here's Barack Hussein, Barry Sotero, otherwise known as.

01:09:00.960 Playcut 92 again.

01:09:02.000 Commander-in-Chief clad in the white socks jacket and those jeans and lollipop curving.

01:09:10.140 And those –

01:09:10.780 Albert Pujols and –

01:09:12.380 Macho.

01:09:13.060 Charlie, who's the broadcaster there?

01:09:15.100 I don't know.

01:09:15.380 He's probably fired and found on a lake after that.

01:09:17.200 Yeah, he's like –

01:09:17.780 He's like –

01:09:18.560 I think the bike is more of an indictment.

01:09:21.780 The big legacy of Obama, you're right, is the personnel.

01:09:26.940 Is the bureaucracy.

01:09:27.620 And, I mean, the Biden administration is overwhelmingly a bunch of Obama reduxes, as you'd expect.

01:09:33.480 But we do have one positive thing, which is –

01:09:36.900 It's like the sloppy seconds of Obama.

01:09:38.720 He nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.

01:09:41.520 And I think the experience of sharing a court with Sonia Sotomayor for 15 years is probably a pretty big factor in why the Supreme Court did just strike down affirmative action in a lot of America's colleges this last summer.

01:09:54.720 So we could have positive outcomes from the Obama personnel legacy, too.

01:09:59.220 But definitely – I mean, Valerie Jarrett, who is – she's a hard worker. 0.99

01:10:03.200 She was there from day one to the last day of the administration.

01:10:05.540 She never left.

01:10:06.480 Her number one job was staffing the agencies. 0.80

01:10:08.700 And she did a good job of that. 0.82

01:10:09.940 She did a great job of that. 1.00

01:10:11.000 That is absolutely true.

01:10:12.220 So final thoughts on this before – do we have a deep web reveal, too?

01:10:15.260 I'm sure we do, Blake, right?

01:10:16.180 We have a whole additional topic to hit before we even get to that.

01:10:19.260 Oh, my gosh.

01:10:19.500 Unless we're shooting that down.

01:10:21.260 Which is – what is it?

01:10:22.280 Is it – well, how about we talk about – we could audible to the NFL or we could talk about Pence versus populism.

01:10:28.680 That's a good one.

01:10:29.440 Which is the deep web reveal?

01:10:30.920 We can't – we can't.

01:10:31.780 It's a secret.

01:10:32.340 We can't do that.

01:10:32.900 Let's – because we went long on a couple other things, let's save this deep web reveal because it's not a short one.

01:10:37.840 All right.

01:10:38.100 Yeah.

01:10:38.260 Then let's end with Pence and populism because that's –

01:10:40.200 Yeah.

01:10:40.420 So let's end with Pence.

01:10:41.520 All right.

01:10:42.040 All right.

01:10:42.540 Let's end Pence.

01:10:43.760 How about that?

01:10:44.560 It's not as controversial as Barack Obama.

01:10:48.100 All right.

01:10:48.380 Well, topic number four.

01:10:49.560 So Mike Pence –

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01:12:20.600 Okay, let's play Cut 94.

01:12:22.480 Get it ready, guys.

01:12:23.200 Guys, this is Mike Pence, who refers to Donald Trump in a very specific way.

01:12:28.780 There's a lot here to unpack.

01:12:29.900 We'll spend the remainder of our show talking about it.

01:12:31.980 Tyler, I know, will have some very pointed remarks, because he has been warning about

01:12:35.840 Pence for a lot longer than I have, that's for sure.

01:12:38.740 Play Cut 94.

01:12:40.180 And one of the lines you're set to deliver is that, are we going to follow the siren song

01:12:45.100 of populism away from the timeless conservative principles of the Republican Party?

01:12:50.320 To whom are you referring?

01:12:52.140 Right.

01:12:53.860 Well, look, you look at this Republican field, whether it's my former running mate or some

01:13:00.420 of his imitators.

01:13:01.720 And there is a push in this Republican primary to move us away from our party's historic commitment

01:13:09.240 to American leadership on the world stage, to a commitment to fiscal responsibility and

01:13:14.440 reform in the face of a massive national debt crisis.

01:13:17.940 And many of those people I shared the stage with, including my former running mate who

01:13:22.440 wasn't there, want to marginalize the right to life and relegate it to a state's only issue.

01:13:28.560 Okay.

01:13:29.400 So, Tyler, I'm going to throw this one to you first.

01:13:32.160 My former running mate.

01:13:34.160 So, that's a far fall from, you know, after the election ended in 2020.

01:13:41.140 This is important.

01:13:41.980 At the Turning Point USA Summit.

01:13:43.120 We talked about that at the Turning Point USA Summit, reiterating again and again, and we've

01:13:47.680 heard this so many times.

01:13:48.360 How great Trump is.

01:13:49.380 He gives a Reagan quote, and then he says, my second favorite president behind Donald

01:13:56.100 J. Trump.

01:13:56.600 That's actually a great point.

01:13:57.520 Jack, you should do a glamour highlight reel all the times Pence was bragging on Trump.

01:14:01.300 He said that literally 20, like that same line like 20 times.

01:14:04.800 The Trump-Pence administration.

01:14:06.920 He does that weird like loud whisper kind of thing.

01:14:09.180 He's a loud whisperer.

01:14:10.260 No, it's called fake stoicism is what I call it.

01:14:12.800 The Trump-Pence administration is fighting hard to protect the border.

01:14:19.800 And under our administration.

01:14:22.320 Under our administration.

01:14:23.580 I told the president of Mexico, stop.

01:14:28.900 You stop right there, buddy.

01:14:30.320 Yeah, it's a weird like.

01:14:31.980 It's like this over-rehearsed fake.

01:14:34.140 It's like 1994 like action movie president.

01:14:36.680 Yeah, it is.

01:14:37.480 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:38.440 It's like Michael Douglas, you know, in like a, in the tryouts for West Wing.

01:14:43.520 It's like, all right.

01:14:44.280 He's just mainlining West Wing.

01:14:46.380 Come on, get it in.

01:14:47.460 Get it in.

01:14:47.780 Just get it in there.

01:14:48.860 And I will tell you.

01:14:49.640 Nope, try it again.

01:14:50.880 I will.

01:14:52.800 It's so.

01:14:53.800 It's such an injustice to Michael Douglas.

01:14:55.440 It's so preachy.

01:14:57.980 West Wing is pretty preachy too.

01:14:59.220 Well, here's the deal about this subject matter here.

01:15:02.820 Peace.

01:15:03.100 Let's just focus on populism real quickly.

01:15:04.980 There's like this like desire for all of these like rhino, moderate, establishment, coke, weirdos.

01:15:15.300 Yes.

01:15:15.780 To like brand populism as some kind of like real strong.

01:15:20.480 Like a toxin.

01:15:21.520 Issue based ideology, which that's not the case.

01:15:25.820 The case of populism is that we listen to the little guy.

01:15:30.160 You listen to the voters.

01:15:31.160 You listen to the voters.

01:15:32.020 It's not that hard.

01:15:32.800 It's not that hard.

01:15:33.500 So every time it cracks me up, every time they say this, they're trying to make a boogeyman out of populism constantly.

01:15:39.420 Because they don't want to listen to voters.

01:15:40.460 Well, because they just want to like recreate this like false conservative.

01:15:43.680 So what the voters have figured out is like there was actually a fake conservatism that they overuse and nearly destroyed the term.

01:15:50.000 That's this reminds me of the Tories.

01:15:52.280 I said, you know, we could talk more about this against Brexit.

01:15:55.380 But and they and they villainize this term populism, which the left and the right both use, which just means that we're going to listen to the people.

01:16:04.340 And and it's anti-establishment.

01:16:06.440 Right.

01:16:06.680 That's all it is.

01:16:07.320 It's all it means.

01:16:07.780 Yeah.

01:16:07.880 And it's also just we don't want four branches.

01:16:09.900 The government want three.

01:16:10.860 Like, it's really simple stuff.

01:16:11.800 It's anti-establishment, anti-elitism, anti-neoliberalism.

01:16:14.920 Right.

01:16:15.100 Anti-foreign wars, anti-bringing in plastic, anti-keeping borders open.

01:16:19.340 And like you don't even you don't even need to call it like populism if you don't want to.

01:16:22.840 It's so much of it is just a tonal thing of like, hey, guys, I've been around for a long time.

01:16:27.300 And I'm tired of a Republican Party that essentially has ceded all moral high ground to the left in terms of what they're allowed to think and what they're allowed to say.

01:16:36.260 And then also just like keeps shooting itself in the foot by like, oh, let's blow.

01:16:40.040 Let's blow up another Middle Eastern country again. 1.00

01:16:42.000 And, you know, suddenly like that, that fake conservative ideology went on the outs.

01:16:48.660 And so now Mike Pence has to try it out.

01:16:50.760 Charlie, so populism is a big threat.

01:16:53.360 So Charlie, like you're in the biz, right?

01:16:56.520 But isn't it interesting, though, how the way the term populism has really taken off in the last, I don't know, seven, eight years or so, as opposed to the word conservatism, because it's really become.

01:17:09.300 And, you know, and Blake, I get what you're saying is you don't necessarily it doesn't fit necessarily the textbook definition of populism, but it describes the difference and the distinction between whatever MAGA is and whatever came before.

01:17:25.220 And Charlie, do you have you seen that use of the term inside the party that way?

01:17:29.860 Yeah, it's there's I'd say this the rank and the rank and file don't mind the term populism.

01:17:36.400 A lot of think tank people and some donors really don't like it.

01:17:40.140 They hate it.

01:17:40.560 They hate it.

01:17:41.400 And I'll tell you, they hate it because it goes against some of their invested corporate interests.

01:17:45.720 Not all of them.

01:17:46.320 We have plenty of donors that like it, but it's it's kind of a bell curve.

01:17:49.800 You had a huge you had a huge spike of what we would call populism, William Jennings, Brian, Teddy Roosevelt, 100 years ago.

01:17:56.480 And then you had real progressivism.

01:17:58.400 But this is what's the most important thing.

01:18:01.080 They thought they being the bad guys thought Bernie Sanders was going to be the populist person from a socialistic perspective.

01:18:08.440 And the fact that the right has now used populism as a weapon drives them crazy.

01:18:12.600 Drives them crazy.

01:18:13.280 The fact that we are now tapping into this because populism is a thermonuclear weapon.

01:18:17.560 Well, Ronald Reagan flirted with populism.

01:18:19.920 The same thing happened in England, too.

01:18:21.760 I'm sorry.

01:18:22.320 But Jeremy Corbyn was considered a socialist populist.

01:18:26.600 Right.

01:18:27.040 Just like Bernie Sanders.

01:18:28.440 And then what happens?

01:18:29.360 Brexit happens.

01:18:30.720 And then they start talking on the wrong side of it.

01:18:32.780 And they were talking about populism, which, again, a lot of these guys on that side start talking about populism, about a niche thing.

01:18:39.580 And the way that I look at populist philosophy, and this is just me, but the idea, trying to turn into a philosophy, is that it just fills in all the gaps of the ideology.

01:18:50.720 Right.

01:18:50.940 It fills in the things that people don't talk about.

01:18:53.340 Everything that Mike Pence is talking about, we agree with like 99% of the things he's talking about.

01:19:00.320 His issue is that these populist ideas, right, have taken precedent over the boring, archaic, non-needle-moving stuff that has allowed our country to slip.

01:19:12.320 Yep.

01:19:12.480 And so it's very simple, which is that, guys, Mike, we agree on almost everything.

01:19:17.440 You're just boring, and you're not focusing on all these other ideas that matter, that have moved past, that are redefining, that are remolding, recrafting the conservative movement.

01:19:28.320 And we can embrace some of these ideas and move the party forward.

01:19:32.320 It's not changing anything about what we believe and most of the things that we agree on.

01:19:36.880 But, you know, being anti-war makes a ton of sense.

01:19:40.400 You know, that was a populist idea in the 70s by a lot of conservatives that came out of the 60s that helped shape everything that laid the foundation for the Reagan revolution that he loves to talk about.

01:19:53.520 If it wasn't for those populist ideas, Reagan never would have become president and never would have had the chance to appoint Eric Holder.

01:20:01.880 So, Blake, you have a thought on this?

01:20:03.560 Well, so now I got some positive comments in the chat, so now I have to go into the normie mode that'll make them all hate me.

01:20:08.140 And I do think there are hazards to populism.

01:20:11.480 There are downsides to populism.

01:20:13.280 There is a reason I think we would all still say we are conservatives more so than before we would say we're a populist.

01:20:19.720 And the downside of populism can be, like, if you are focusing entirely on pandering to the masses, that can encourage, like, demagoguery.

01:20:28.240 It can encourage, like, very short-term thinking.

01:20:30.600 Like, you know, delaying all student loan repayments essentially forever or trying to forgive them completely.

01:20:35.860 That's a populist thing to do.

01:20:37.320 I think that would be a disastrous mistake.

01:20:39.380 I think all of us would agree on that.

01:20:42.460 Something like the national, like, you know, when we froze all of the rents nationwide during COVID and kept, you know, there was a lot of pressure to keep doing that.

01:20:50.100 That's a populist measure.

01:20:51.280 That's the thing you can do for, you know, I shouldn't say freeze all rents, like freeze evictions.

01:20:55.320 You know, you can maybe do that for a month.

01:20:57.100 Doing it for years on end is, like, very damaging.

01:20:59.700 But it's populist.

01:21:01.380 And, you know, saying, you know, that a problem with Pence is that he's boring and not entertaining.

01:21:05.940 You definitely do need entertainment to, you know, grip the masses.

01:21:09.960 There's a lot to be said for charisma.

01:21:12.220 Donald Trump won because he is, like, a world-class charismatic person.

01:21:16.700 But if you just put charisma above everything, you do get cults of personality.

01:21:20.260 You do get demagogues.

01:21:21.560 And you don't want those things because we are ideological people.

01:21:25.560 We don't just want to be cult followers.

01:21:28.380 I think Pence is mistaken in what he's saying.

01:21:31.120 And he's basically saying, I want to rewind the clock to 2012.

01:21:35.260 But I do think we should take it.

01:21:37.200 I don't want to say take under-advisement from Pence.

01:21:39.320 That's painful.

01:21:39.800 That's excruciating.

01:21:40.880 But we should realize that we are not populists.

01:21:46.600 We are conservatives, and we should always be careful not to worship the entertainment value of politics for the sake of itself.

01:21:54.400 Jack, is Blake right?

01:21:57.380 Well, I mean, I could nitpick on various things.

01:22:00.740 Like, I'd be interested in talking about student loans if the universities have to pay from their endowments, by the way.

01:22:06.660 I'd love that.

01:22:08.000 Right, right, exactly.

01:22:08.820 So – but at the same – and Debt Jubilee, of course, is the number one golden option of populists throughout history.

01:22:16.920 It is biblical.

01:22:18.440 It absolutely is.

01:22:20.040 And though at the same time, I – like I said before, I just don't think that we're necessarily following the textbook definition of populism.

01:22:28.600 Because – okay, so the populist movement right now, the populist energy, put it this way.

01:22:32.220 There's populist energy in the left and there's populist energy in the right.

01:22:35.120 There's also populist energy that's kind of in the center, like your Glenn Greenwald, your Michael Schellenbergers, a bunch of these people that just kind of – Joe Rogan to an extent – that just kind of populate this center that aren't necessarily part of either side.

01:22:47.780 So when I'm talking about this populist movement that's actually – and Charlie, you've talked about this a million times, this realignment that's going on in the country, you could be an RFK supporter and like consider yourself a liberal maybe.

01:23:01.440 But you're also against the big pharma companies and you're against mandates and you're against the Intel corporations and you're anti-war.

01:23:09.900 And yet the Democrat Party doesn't represent you and elements of the Republican Party don't represent you because they have formed a two-party duopoly within Washington, D.C.

01:23:18.600 And lots of people across the spectrum can see this.

01:23:21.920 And so it does work for a – for just tactical purposes because we need a name to call that.

01:23:29.100 So what is that?

01:23:30.000 And I would say there's populist right, there's populist center, and populist left.

01:23:33.820 And I think that's the middle where we can all mix because we do need some nomenclature so we can figure out how to make our way forward.

01:23:41.520 And we can argue about whether or not we fit the doctrinaire version of it.

01:23:44.580 What populism also does is it forces the institutional conservative intelligentsia to prove their points.

01:23:51.920 And Trump, to his great credit, did this on three major issues.

01:23:55.640 People were complaining and they were saying, hey, like all of our factories are closed.

01:24:00.640 And they were never given an opportunity to really voice that concern because we were told that, okay, no, all the think tanks, the experts agree, it's good to send all of our stuff overseas.

01:24:10.200 Trump was like, no, actually, have a seat at the table.

01:24:12.220 You're right.

01:24:13.180 Same with war and same with immigration. 0.92

01:24:14.820 But I think you're right.

01:24:15.420 Of course it can engage in demagoguery, Blake.

01:24:17.800 We are – populism while anchored in conservative principles is a lethal combination against the left, right?

01:24:24.240 Not pandering, but listening, right?

01:24:26.860 Not, you know, overreaching against our principles, but also not being afraid to say, is there a time to use prudence to accomplish an aim or an objective or a goal?

01:24:37.320 I mean, for example, should we break up big tech?

01:24:39.120 Of course we should.

01:24:40.180 Mike Pence, though, is using – who are the – here's the most important thing, though, is that –

01:24:46.240 why is Mike Pence saying this, Tyler?

01:24:49.840 Because his corporate donors don't like what populists want, which more than anything else, the through line of populism is a protection of the middle class.

01:25:00.480 You're right with your concerns, Blake, but what they want more than anything else is a restoration and a preservation of the American middle class.

01:25:07.880 Tyler, what were your thoughts on that?

01:25:10.420 Yeah, I mean, I just think about how the founding fathers were populists.

01:25:16.640 And they didn't start that way, right?

01:25:19.220 They didn't start that way.

01:25:19.980 They started like Mike Pence, which was they were loyal subjects to the crown.

01:25:25.760 They thought they were in America to, you know, do something special, to live a really unique life, right?

01:25:34.400 But they revolted.

01:25:36.740 It was with a couple decades.

01:25:38.940 Everyone was in revolt, right?

01:25:40.880 That's what happened.

01:25:42.300 And it was because they listened to the little guy.

01:25:44.860 And they started talking about things that put their lives in danger.

01:25:49.100 And, you know, that's really the story of a lot of, you know, I think human civilization that have done great things that have built Western civilization,

01:25:58.260 is that it's been listening to the people and standing up for the individual.

01:26:02.280 That's the idea of America.

01:26:03.500 And if you ignore populism, if you ignore what the people want, it doesn't matter if it's good or bad, right or wrong.

01:26:10.860 That's what makes America beautiful, is that populism has the ability to survive here.

01:26:16.860 And if it was up to Mike Pence, I don't know if it would be, right?

01:26:21.280 Like, if it was up to the neocons, I don't know if the individual would really matter at all, right?

01:26:26.060 And so that's, to me, that's what is the defining element of who are the good guys in the conservative movement and who are the bad guys.

01:26:34.460 The ones that want to give a voice to the individual, the Jeffersonian idea that really is a populist construct.

01:26:43.480 Yep.

01:26:44.080 All right.

01:26:44.440 So let's just kind of, in closing here, Jack, this idea of populism, we can admit it can go too far.

01:26:52.660 But honestly, we have not even begun to act in a policy way on any of these things, right?

01:26:58.340 In more, we haven't even begun.

01:26:59.720 China tariffs, maybe.

01:27:01.000 Nobody's even done any of this.

01:27:02.100 I mean, we haven't built the wall.

01:27:03.740 We haven't massively deported these people. 1.00

01:27:05.740 We have this stupid gay war in Ukraine. 1.00

01:27:08.660 So I hear your objections, Blake. 1.00

01:27:10.500 I think they're legit and smart.

01:27:12.220 At the same time, I think populist energy, I wish we would act more like this.

01:27:16.860 I wish we would be actually more restrained.

01:27:19.020 Do you see that, Blake?

01:27:19.900 I mean, I think the best way of squaring it is I wish we had a conservative movement that was more populist towards its populist faction of

01:27:27.600 conservatism, which is really what it was.

01:27:30.700 You know, if you pander too much to overall populism, you're going to get...

01:27:33.800 You need principle and populism.

01:27:35.620 It needs to be both.

01:27:36.440 But if you're too, quote-unquote, principle while you ignore your voters, the principle for corporations, for the sake of...

01:27:41.880 A great example is, we're never going to touch Google because our principles disobey us. 1.00

01:27:45.520 Like, that's stupid, okay? 0.97

01:27:47.360 That's literally looking at the destruction of something beautiful because you want to hide behind your, quote-unquote, principle. 0.99

01:27:52.040 Well, the better example, I think, of like a principle within the conservative movement that's not necessarily always popular, that's not a populist position,

01:28:00.500 has always been the pro-life stance of the conservative movement.

01:28:03.620 So in the Republican Party, in the platform, being pro-life has been there for a long time.

01:28:08.320 I don't know exactly how long, but it's been a really long time.

01:28:10.920 Since the 50s.

01:28:11.680 And so that hasn't always been the most popular position, but that's the position that you take.

01:28:17.080 That's a non-populist position that is important that we hang on to.

01:28:22.340 And there's many of those positions that still remain.

01:28:25.560 Again, this is where I talk about...

01:28:26.420 Guns. I would say guns is like that.

01:28:27.760 Guns, right?

01:28:28.460 Even like we talk about, you know, solutions to protecting kids in schools and things like that, right?

01:28:34.300 Like where this is where people...

01:28:35.420 Debates come up, right?

01:28:37.220 Those are not...

01:28:37.820 Speech over is actually populist.

01:28:39.320 What's that?

01:28:39.860 I was going to say, the free speech is populist.

01:28:42.900 Yeah, free speech is populist. 0.61

01:28:44.340 But that's why I'm talking about...

01:28:47.100 The way that I look at it, the simple way that I describe it to people is it fills in all the cracks of the things that are in between.

01:28:53.360 A lot of minor issues, a lot of new issues, a lot of novel issues.

01:28:57.440 And if you don't have conversations about those things, you never move forward.

01:29:01.260 You don't talk to people.

01:29:02.320 Well, and this is what also scares them up populism.

01:29:05.340 And you agree with this, Blake.

01:29:06.280 Is that what Trump has been able to do is bring in new voters and change pre-existing political paradigms, right?

01:29:12.620 So you could bring in white working class voters.

01:29:14.580 You can bring in Hispanics.

01:29:15.580 You can bring in low-prop voters.

01:29:17.180 That terrifies them, right?

01:29:18.620 They're like, whoa, why are you giving a voice to the people in Prescott?

01:29:21.600 Like, why do the people in Yavapai County...

01:29:24.280 Like, the voter turnout...

01:29:26.240 Tyler, you know this.

01:29:27.080 The Rust Belt.

01:29:27.720 It's up 20% or 30% than it was 10 years ago in these rural areas.

01:29:31.140 Like, all of a sudden, they feel as if they're engaged because someone is actually fighting for them.

01:29:34.860 All right, final thoughts.

01:29:35.760 Let's go around the horn. 0.95

01:29:36.660 We'll start Blake, then Tyler, then Jack.

01:29:38.600 I'm just glad that we're getting out of here because it's halftime and...

01:29:42.480 Is it already halftime?

01:29:43.240 It is already halftime.

01:29:44.580 The Chiefs are up 14 to 7 and...

01:29:46.940 Did you bet?

01:29:47.740 Of course not.

01:29:48.400 That is degenerate.

01:29:49.420 Oh, so you know what?

01:29:50.020 We should actually do a thought crime on the ethics of sports gambling.

01:29:54.380 That is a good idea.

01:29:56.020 Neither the body nor the mind, Charlie.

01:29:58.000 So do you invest in the stock market?

01:29:59.740 Yes.

01:30:00.560 Well, how is it different?

01:30:01.840 That involves ownership and an actual asset.

01:30:04.380 It is not merely like a speculative friendship.

01:30:06.540 So wait, hold on.

01:30:07.200 So you don't do ETFs or VIXs or any sort of speculative of market movement?

01:30:11.420 I don't think so.

01:30:13.000 Okay, but I'm just curious.

01:30:14.500 So you'll never...

01:30:16.340 The stock market is gambling, please.

01:30:18.500 Of course it is.

01:30:19.200 I mean, yeah, like just day trading, yeah, that's totally gambling.

01:30:21.240 No, let's do the opposite.

01:30:22.540 I think sports gambling can be thought of as investing.

01:30:25.520 Investing in what?

01:30:26.640 Well, if you have information.

01:30:28.820 Everything's an educated guess, right?

01:30:30.500 Is that fair to say?

01:30:32.020 Look, I draft...

01:30:33.220 The stock market overall goes up, whereas long term it can, you know, there's a pie that

01:30:38.880 just goes bigger, whereas sports gambling is just winners and losers.

01:30:41.860 And it's an industry that requires...

01:30:43.920 Not the economic question.

01:30:44.740 As an industry, sports gambling requires addicts who ruin their lives doing it.

01:30:48.860 No, no, I totally acknowledge.

01:30:50.180 I'm not even...

01:30:50.520 I actually think that there's a good reason to say that sports gambling might be not biblical,

01:30:54.920 but there's also a...

01:30:56.700 There's a way to look at it where you can get so into it, so much research, so much data,

01:31:02.100 that sports gambling can feel more like an investment in an Apple or a Google or an ETF,

01:31:07.200 a VIX, shorting a market, than it does just kind of randomly throwing money on a roulette

01:31:11.460 table.

01:31:11.980 I just think it makes sports worse.

01:31:13.300 I think it makes...

01:31:14.160 I don't like...

01:31:14.780 I think it's trashy how the NFL is like, gamble, gamble, gamble.

01:31:17.760 Totally do this.

01:31:18.380 Oh, by the way, don't...

01:31:19.380 Yeah, I think that's fair.

01:31:19.980 Athletes can't bet on the sports, but it's just...

01:31:21.700 It saturates everything.

01:31:23.160 But here's the thing.

01:31:23.600 They do bet.

01:31:24.100 They bet on themselves every day.

01:31:25.120 If our money was attached to the gold standard, if our money was attached to the gold standard,

01:31:29.800 then it would be a cent.

01:31:31.560 But because it's made up and fake anyway...

01:31:33.140 Yeah, it's all fake. 1.00

01:31:33.860 It's all fake and gay. 1.00

01:31:35.500 I think that's smart, but I think that there is a place, if you look at it as investing, 0.98

01:31:40.840 because there's people that invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies that is legit.

01:31:45.140 That's gambling more than investing.

01:31:47.280 I've seen it, right?

01:31:48.380 They're like, oh, this...

01:31:49.420 It's fake.

01:31:49.760 This coin and this thing.

01:31:51.300 It's all fake.

01:31:52.520 Jack.

01:31:52.800 If it's fake.

01:31:53.800 Jack, are you a football guy, Jack, or not so much?

01:31:57.160 I mean, are you asking Jack, the Philly guy who grew up B-A-G-L-E-S, or like me personally?

01:32:02.880 No, I don't follow sports that closely.

01:32:05.060 And no, I don't gamble either.

01:32:07.400 I just drafted my fantasy team this week.

01:32:10.460 See, I don't do the fantasy team.

01:32:11.580 I hate fantasy team.

01:32:12.120 That's where I'm...

01:32:12.940 Well, my friends and I from college...

01:32:15.080 Or not from college, from high school, have been going since high school.

01:32:18.640 So we can't break it.

01:32:20.180 So half of us hardly play during the year.

01:32:23.040 We just auto-draft and do all this stuff.

01:32:25.360 But we've kept it going.

01:32:26.820 But my boy Harrison Butker is on my team, and he's two for two tonight.

01:32:31.700 So I got two points.

01:32:33.040 All right, everybody.

01:32:34.720 Until next week, keep committing thought crimes.

01:32:37.160 It is your first full weekend of both college and NFL football.

01:32:42.200 We should do that as a thought crimes next week.

01:32:43.980 The ethics of watching something that hates you, even though you love the thing.

01:32:48.060 I'll tell you this.

01:32:48.800 Quick shout out to Heidi and Guam, by the way.

01:32:52.180 Heidi and Guam.

01:32:53.080 Let Tyler finish.

01:32:53.960 Oh, Heidi and Guam.

01:32:55.120 Oh, also, you're supposed to grow a mustache.

01:32:57.480 That came from the chat.

01:32:58.360 I'm not doing that one.

01:32:59.360 That's a bridge too far.

01:33:00.020 You have to grow the mustache, the chat.

01:33:02.160 What were you saying, Tyler?

01:33:03.940 The thing is here is that we talk all the time about sports going too far.

01:33:08.660 I think the same thing with gambling.

01:33:09.980 I think you can get way into sports.

01:33:11.460 Yes.

01:33:12.040 I made the huge error of spending way too much money

01:33:15.520 and going to all the finals games with the Suns, and we lost.

01:33:18.600 No, that's a good investment, though.

01:33:19.760 I disagree.

01:33:20.160 It was good for it with my kids.

01:33:20.840 I think that's really smart.

01:33:21.740 If I didn't bring my kids.

01:33:22.480 I went to all the Cubs playoffs games when they won the World Series.

01:33:24.740 I'm the best money I ever spent.

01:33:25.680 I get it.

01:33:26.120 And I had, like, no money at the time.

01:33:27.160 It's only going to happen once in your lifetime.

01:33:29.260 I disagree.

01:33:30.080 That's a great thing.

01:33:30.740 It's not a mistake.

01:33:31.460 But the thing is, you've got to pull it back.

01:33:34.520 But that's entertainment more than gambling.

01:33:36.100 But October is the greatest month ever because you've got basketball.

01:33:39.960 The Cubs are going to be in the playoffs, probably.

01:33:41.540 You've got playoffs.

01:33:42.820 And if your team's in, in the MLB, then it's, like, awesome.

01:33:47.760 Yes.

01:33:48.160 And so you've got college football at a climax.

01:33:50.400 You've got NFL football.

01:33:52.220 Hockey is back.

01:33:53.440 And then you have MLB.

01:33:54.560 It's, like, so crazy.

01:33:55.860 Yes.

01:33:56.040 It's, like, the greatest, you know, for a dude.

01:33:58.400 No, that's actually an interesting question.

01:33:59.940 What is the greatest sports month of the year?

01:34:01.800 It's October.

01:34:02.880 Not even close.

01:34:04.320 I think you're right.

01:34:05.320 I would probably put January because that's when the Minnesota Vikings will lose in the playoffs.

01:34:10.400 And once again, not when it's Super Bowl.

01:34:12.220 Like, clockwork.

01:34:12.880 I think January is great because of the college football playoffs.

01:34:15.220 Sorry, Jack.

01:34:15.820 We interrupted your Guam shout-out.

01:34:17.440 It was actually to a listener who sent us in a very nice email, Charlie, to Heidi in Guam,

01:34:24.120 who says that she listens to the show every week on Saturday mornings when she's at the gym.

01:34:28.020 And I just wanted to give her a shout-out because she sent us such a nice email, and I used to be stationed in Guam.

01:34:32.520 And, you know, the Northern Mariana Islands have been terrific for us.

01:34:35.660 Just terrific.

01:34:36.300 Yeah.

01:34:36.720 According to Blake's normie principle, he's like, we must give statehood to all square miles of America.

01:34:42.080 We should actually do a thought-

01:34:42.800 Every country in the world belongs to America. 0.87

01:34:45.320 Are you serious?

01:34:47.340 That's a good demand.

01:34:48.300 It's a line from an old show.

01:34:50.540 No, we got into the statehood thing.

01:34:53.140 Which one was the one that we disagreed on?

01:34:54.940 Northern Mariana Islands.

01:34:56.160 We should just make Guam a state. 0.85

01:34:57.740 Take Guam, Mariana Islands.

01:34:59.160 No.

01:35:00.180 Make them a state.

01:35:01.500 Make them a spam state.

01:35:02.360 I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:35:03.360 This is a very bad idea.

01:35:04.440 We would have, like, immediately eight more Democrat senators. 0.98

01:35:07.400 Makes more sense than Puerto Rico. 0.82

01:35:08.780 It is the most corrupt.

01:35:10.540 It's controlled by, like, two families. 0.91

01:35:12.400 It's so bad.

01:35:13.120 It's so bad.

01:35:13.800 They would chase, all they have to do is chase, like, 1,000 ballots.

01:35:16.140 There's, like, the North family and the South family.

01:35:17.960 They'd have to harvest 1,000 ballots.

01:35:19.860 Well, next week, one of the next couple weeks, make a note, guys.

01:35:22.500 Eastern Oregon needs to be an interesting topic.

01:35:25.560 I like that.

01:35:26.820 Have you heard about the Oregon State?

01:35:28.240 The greater Idaho?

01:35:29.120 Save it for next week.

01:35:29.980 We'll get it.

01:35:30.500 I love that idea.

01:35:32.680 I'm all on board for the greater Idaho people.

01:35:34.700 I love it.

01:35:35.360 And California, they tried to break it into five states. 0.99

01:35:37.680 It's never going to happen.

01:35:38.460 But greater Idaho could happen.

01:35:40.220 It needs to be approved by Congress.

01:35:41.640 We need lots of states, like Texas, too.

01:35:43.740 Oh, and the Western Virginia wants to be part of Virginia.

01:35:46.640 The five counties of Virginia want to be part of West Virginia.

01:35:48.900 Okay.

01:35:49.320 We've got to go.

01:35:50.160 If you watch NFL, don't acknowledge it publicly, but enjoy.

01:35:54.080 See you next week.

01:35:54.740 Don't cry is death.

01:35:58.240 Don't cry is death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 09, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 12 — Liberty UnSafe？ Rainbow-Bama？ Mind the Gap？

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