THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 120 — AI President？ 42-Year-Old Soldiers？ Stephen Colbert's Lord of the Rings？
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On this week's episode of THX: A Thought Crime Podcast, the crew is joined by a new member of the Thought Crime crew, Russ Spacey, to talk about the Lone Star State of Texas and much, much more!
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from the age of big brother if they want to get you they'll get you dnsa specifically
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targets the communications of everyone they're collecting your communications
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all right welcome to thursday it's the obviously a thursday edition of thought crime welcome
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and we have a new member of the thought crime crew making his first appearance on the thursday
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thought crime because tyler forgot to tell us he wasn't gonna be here i actually i like the look
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i like the vibe i we might have gotten an upgrade here i'm just saying i mean i don't know don't
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tell tyler i said that we'll see that's russ spacey one of jack's producers so welcome russ
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welcome to the set everybody say hello jack where the heck are you right now i am in the
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heart of freedom the lone star state dallas texas for cpac and so as is tradition we are now holding
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my yearly thought crime from cpac so what do you think of texas jack what's your like give me your
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unvarnished take on texas you're a new england guy it's really big it's um you know it's just
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one of those things where like everything's bigger in texas and as an east coast guy i suppose it's
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all out west in general i'm used to states being like a certain kind of size that you can drive
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for a couple hours and still you know and go to multiple states you'll see multiple cities there's
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lots going on whereas texas it's like you could drive for three hours in any direction and there's
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still texas there's more of texas yet to come and so it's it's just this uh it's just this totally
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kind of out of um you know out of body experience when i'm here but what's amazing is that when you
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go around texas it's you don't have to really play this game of like trying to see who's conservative
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because it's pretty much just like everybody's conservative and it's so cool to see that because
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again coming from the east coast you always sort of have to feel out where people are whereas in
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texas it's actually like oh wait someone's a liberal that's like the one out of 10 you know
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what i if you have ever driven the 20 from east texas to el paso it it literally feels like you're
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it's never ending it is the longest drive and then especially when you get to like west texas
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it just it's just and there's like no vegetation like there's just kind of nothing well there's
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like oil rigs and then you run into el paso and i guess it's okay it's all right you forget how
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big it is i drove there's no vegetation but what there is is bucky's it was russ's first thing he
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was gonna say on the show and you know jackie's oh no no i um no i uh drove to austin for one of
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my birthdays just all the way through and from phoenix from phoenix and it was it was a long
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drive it's a long drive once you hit eight hours you're like okay i need to get out of this car
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now please all right well here we are jack you want to take us on our first uh our first topic
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here or do you have more to add well i can but i should also shout out that even though this is
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the first time that producer russ has been on the show it is not the first time he was mentioned
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on the show because he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we got to put out the news
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that big russ just got engaged oh that's right that was recent let's go let's go how's that
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going and by the way it's fun to an american it's great yes yeah so so there is a lot of you know
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Listen, there's a lot of tension between the sexes right now.
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This is a big topic of discussion, especially amongst the kids.
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And so you're kind of like the outlier right now, actually doing the thing, getting married, young guy, setting off on the American dream.
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Blake, do you want to take us away on the first one?
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So we were strongly – we were planning on something else, and then this clip just shot across the bow.
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This is apparently a recent Joe Rogan episode, and he says he is prepared.
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He is ready to embrace the future, which is ceding the executive branch to an AI robot.
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So the Democrats aren't ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or.
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I'm with whoever makes sense and no one makes sense and I tell AI comes along
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Dead serious man as long as it doesn't like do something to harm people as long as like that's its goal
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It's goals just to manage society. It's a big if that you got there, but yes, if we can get that
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but what you just said i think is really well this
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yeah ai president yes that's crazy yeah that's nuts uh by the way it's like which ai are you
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are you talking about you're talking about claude you're talking about grok you're talking about
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what are the other gemini and let's not even get into starts about who's going to prompt the ai
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yeah yeah but like also you know okay for example we talk about president trump listen
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the war can't get out of it soon enough no doubt but part of his ability as president is to be
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unpredictable if you could just like input a if your enemy and you're iran and you could just be
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like is trump going to drop a bomb on me today like and the ai would give you a predictable output
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that's not a real good way to to wage a war the human element the unpredictability you would just
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take that off the table completely but like i understand his underlying frustration because
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a lot of people that were trump voters are feeling frustrated by the fact that we're going to war
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uh rogan has expressed frustration with minneapolis and the deportation so he's he i feel
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like this is more of a play for him to sort of you know express his independence more than anything
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what if we we talk about we just imagine the ai president but in theory you could make an ai
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version of a specific president so like well obviously there's a famous yes there's a famous
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example and we'll actually let's do that clip just to show us what we're getting into so for
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those who aren't aware glenn beck over at the blaze has uh created an ai iteration of our first
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president that he asked questions to is glenn at cpac jack have you seen him i'm just curious
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curious the crowd there just curious the crowd there the makeup of the attendees that's yeah
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well we'll show the clip of ai george washington but real quick if you want to on that you know
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i know there's this whole narrative about like mega division and the the movement is divided
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i'm just not really seeing that here it's and and you know it's online i live online and we
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get the emails in but in terms of the attendees who came here i'm just not seeing it well what's
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the average age that would be another question uh average age is older you know what's interesting
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is there's obviously baby boomers are you know the you know the largest cohort but then there's
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a bunch of young republicans too a bunch of turning point kids so they you know they it's
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an hour band i'd say maybe it's only 10 percent in that uh in that bucket but that skews the
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average down yeah yeah i think i think the mega divide is like to the extent that it's real and
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i actually do believe that it's like somewhat real i i think it skews younger i think the the
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older MAGA crowd is the one that's probably more predictably like rah-rah yeah they're they're
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like they've got more patience for things like the war they've got more patience for you know gas
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prices going up a little bit I think if you're younger you don't have as much money you're
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worried about your jobs you're worried about not only an AI president you're worried about AI just
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taking your job right so I think you know anyways that we should play the George Washington and we
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should we should say real quick on that you know seeing as we're we're recording this Thursday we're
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live thursday but if you're listening to this on the podcast list drops on saturday who knows we
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may have boots on the ground already yeah well we'll see but anyway well details details details
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anyway let's play clip number two george we are trying to not fight foreign wars and not be
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involved in the world's policemen but there are times that we have to demonstrate strength in
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order to prevent conflict, but I don't know where the foreign entanglement begins and where it ends.
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When I was president, I did not crave power. I didn't strut in my uniform dreaming of conquest.
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In fact, I begged several times to not be the general and not be the president. I didn't want
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it. But I understood my responsibility. And I also understood that some things that are easy to
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forget when you're staring down bayonets. Peace is not the default. It has to be guarded deliberately
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with foresight and strength. My generation lived through a fragile independence. Our new republic
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was surrounded literally and figuratively by instability most of the founders believed that
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we would not survive to 1820 we thought it was an interesting experiment european powers were
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sniffing the opportunities states were threatening to splinter loyalists were lurking none of this
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was hypothetical it was the daily background noise of early america okay man that was like
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three times longer than i need whatever whatever anyway but like i love how he says like i didn't
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go strutting around in my uniform the actual george washington totally went strutting around
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in a uniform he would not be in a t-shirt like that uh he had strut equity he had strut can i
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i mean this might be like a hot take i don't know but i actually like you know the use of ai for
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historical purposes like that like if you have george washington just telling stories like that
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and he's narrating it himself you know obviously an ai recreation but that's definitely from not
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to talk about current politics but if he's just talking about how things were at the time you
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know i don't really see it any different than having someone dress up as an actor and playing
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george washington i think it's kind of cool this is actually gonna uh explain that i am absolutely
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a homeschooler but if anybody has heard of adventures in odyssey um one of the things
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they used to do is they had like this coffee shop and there were like ai uh holograms of
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different people from history that you could talk to and so that's just the first thing that comes
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to mind when jack was talking about that glenn glenn beck just ripped off that idea 100 the
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radio drama adventures in odyssey was ripped off yes for sure okay so i i love i love jack i love
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your glass half full of this all like i really do and and i but i just i don't know like i just
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wonder like i think glenn probably made this for kids but i think kids are gonna find this
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well cringe or like teenagers college kids you think like i don't know what's interesting so
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the thing about it is yeah we're looking at these ancient presidents who okay whatever this is a
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historical recreation but think about this fact if we're talking about ai presidents
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donald trump is probably the single most recorded person in history in human history and like they
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if they you were able to feed every single tweet every single press conference every every single
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video of president trump ever you could probably create a more reliable facsimile of him than any
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other person using an ai model he said and you're not saying he's lost his fast and you're not
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and i don't he's not as trump as he once was all i'm gonna say is i am pretty sure there is a non-zero
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portion of the base probably a non-negligible portion of the base that could be convinced
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to vote for ai donald trump to be the republican i will vote for ai trump
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jack okay yes if you had to take one year of trump and you were going to base an ai president
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off of one year you had to like the accomplishments the tone the tenor the energy
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one year president trump what would it be 80s trump i want 80s trump i want like 1980
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80 like trump i was thinking like 2016 17 18 19 like the gold you know i mean 20 i mean 20 look
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2015 2016 trump will will ultimately politically speaking always be my favorite trump trump when
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he's up there on stage when he's just ripping everybody in the republican primary from rand
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paul to jeb bush to ted cruz who it doesn't he didn't care it's equal opportunity just tearing
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everybody a new one and he's just coming on the stage and it was amazing it was a thing of beauty
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if if you were there you were there i mean you had to be there and that was always my favorite
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trump trump at the rnc 2016 in um ohio i think it was august 2016 that that was still my favorite
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speech it was a presage to the uh american carnage inaugural inaugural speech that we got from trump
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but he's just going through talking about all the crime the murder so many things that are wrong in
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the country i loved it loved every second of it yeah but he didn't actually govern that year that's
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the only thing there's you're talking about just like a pure distill distilled energy standpoint
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yes yeah the 2016 energy will always be sort of that pure mega energy there's that clip of trump
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where he's talking about how um what he wants in a president and i think it's like probably 80s 90s
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um that's the trump like having like listen to that clip a couple times like that's the trump
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that i would want because that's very in the same vein as like george washington it's very in the
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vein same vein as like a reluctant leader that actually just wants to do the best like the most
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good in my opinion who would who would also let us know via a rumble rant especially if who you
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would prefer to have as an ai president if can be any president i don't think that yeah i don't
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think that's what rogan and dave smith were saying though i think what they were saying was they were
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just imagining an ai they were imagining anything's better than the crap we have no that would be a
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disaster that was their that was their point i mean we did go through four years of biden being
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biden yeah so we might have we might have wished we had from an ai president yeah facts except for
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the fact that it was like the radical progressive apparatchiks that were actually no but if i all
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right let me let me steal man let me try to steal man i think what rogan was trying to say there
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is that which i don't agree with but but i think i get what he's trying to say he's trying to say
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that he felt like the president isn't living up to his promises and is saying that I want an AI
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president in the sense that you put two platforms on the ballot together, red platform and blue
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platform. And if red wins, then it just governs based on exactly what it said at the time. So
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the AI can't deviate from that. And so I guess the pushback on that would be, if that is indeed
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what he was saying that well president trump always said mass deportation so if your issue
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is deportations in minneapolis or whatever well he specifically said that on the campaign trail
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every every single chance that he got so i don't know where this idea that trump isn't for mass
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deportations came from or that he shouldn't be for it because he said that over and over yeah but you
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know what's interesting about rogan so rogan you know he recently came after erica which i obviously
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didn't appreciate but then like he was doing this stuff where he was i think he basically said he
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didn't think bb netanyahu was alive so he like fell for the he fell for the like ai angle and
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stuff like that he only had five fingers i'm starting to get convinced that he's just kind of
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like you know he's taking the algorithm like whatever's rising to the top of the algorithm
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and kind of like so my point there is is that when you know obviously the media turned on mass
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deportations with minneapolis right it was the renee good and the alex preddy and it kind of
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just like instantly as soon as the media narrative like we lost the media narrative because of those
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two killings it was like we lost rogan on on on that i like this take from uh sandra in the chat
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you could argue that elon musk being president and making data-driven decisions would be the
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same as an ai president i actually kind of agree but for the unsurprise a slightly different reason
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which is you've seen how Elon will occasionally just do something
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like when he renamed his account Keckius Maximus or similar things like that,
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sort of spamming all the Pepes everywhere, the obsession with Dogecoin.
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and now the AI is suddenly obsessed with Keckius Maximus.
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like, you know, they say this about California.
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So when I was living in California, they would always say it's an ungovernable state.
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Well, if California is an ungovernable state, then how much more so is America?
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To be like, there's so many competing factions, so many competing ideas, so many media trends and news stories.
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in truth the biggest problem with ai is a lot of the ais are innately woke i mean this is true if
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you run the numbers on an ai for example and say here's a set of 5 000 resumes rank them in the
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order they should be hired it systematically for example just does racial discrimination without
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being told to yeah in the way that you would expect a liberal that's not all ais right not
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all ais are created equal not all ais are ais are the same my understanding is basically all of them
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do show that bias i think grok has the least and it's possibly just because elon made them insert
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hard in there yeah don't do racism against white people yeah but apparently grok is the most behind
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too yeah grok is not as advanced oh they're gonna get mad at us but grok is not as advanced as some
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of them in some ways but it is the i would say least uh least lived out yeah for sure it's the
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least most lived out right yeah claude is very lib i've heard like horror stories about the people
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that run that oh for sure for sure i mean they're effective altruists man jack do you do you have a
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read on which ais are like besides grok are there any like decent ais out there that are not woke
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you know it's it's really hard to say i mean i i'll say that i use grok for you know if i'm doing
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like just light research or something like that but then images um chat tpt is just so much better
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at that there's no question that it's it you can generate you can get things you can make things
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you can alter images chat gpt it's it's very very fast i haven't messed around with claude
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as much um i'm just not as familiar with it but those those are the two that i uh that i that i
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rock with is is i rock with grok what can i that should be the slogan right i rock with grok
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grok definitely is the most absurd in terms of indulging the weird hypotheticals that i give it
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so like if i went to claude and was like what would happen in iran if president trump just like
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deployed maybe like a bunch of 80s rock stars to overwhelm them with the power of rock and roll
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to win the war like claude would be like i don't think that's a reasonable situation and that would
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be dumb but like grok would totally run with it and like come up with a convoluted scenario where
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like the power of rock music would melt the ayatollah's face off and it'd be like rock the
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casbah all right yeah we did that to the soviet union though yeah we did metallica played in
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moscow and ozzy went over and there's there's a whole bunch of bands that went over it was like
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the the rock of moscow those videos are incredible man what a what a different country by the way
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what a different like western civilization what if the best ai president was a chinese ai
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oh what are you saying i want a japanese ai president hold on wait because i want hold on
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hold on i want a president who's like the japanese version of an american president you know what i
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mean when you see like american politicians in japanese anime they're just like they're just
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like like donald trump is a giant and he's got like superpowers and stuff yeah maybe what if we
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had okay a chinese ai that is told to generate a japanese ai's idea of an american ai president
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it's too meta that's probably the most likely that might be that might give us the best president
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though what if we took the best features of every single american president and put them into an
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amalgamation of one ai wait i've got an idea i'm just gonna go to grog and i'm gonna ask it
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what would an ai president be like if it took the best aspects of each president
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all right i'm gonna i'm gonna go on that i'll be right back 47 presidents yeah it's really only
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40 yes let's get on actually different presidents that we had because uh teddy
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repeated was we have had uh we've had 45 total presidents yeah all right all right um 45
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presidents but 47 presidencies correct trump 1.0 trump 2.0 right uh i would take the first 100
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days of trump 1.0 and just like straight into my veins again and again and again when steven
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was there shock and no i'm talking about 2.0 the first 100 days of trump 2.0 oh yeah first 100
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days of trump 1.0 was was frenetic but first 100 it was my knowledge that wasn't even that's an
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interesting question that's an interesting question jack the first 100 days of trump 1.0
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i think that's when he looked at um uh what was that guy's name jim acosta and he was like
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you are fake news which was pretty i mean some of that stuff was actually pretty so iconic it was
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so iconic i mean it's so iconic so legendary he he just did things that you couldn't possibly do
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um and and you're right the the first 100 days the second time around were even more over the top
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and more productive in terms of progressing our country forward and putting wins on the board for
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the country but you also would never have had those without the first 100 days of the first time
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or of the you know the four years in the interregnum period so it you know you can't
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really say one was better than the other because one only exists because of the other i have a
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provocative question why jack or why um blake is looking that up i i'm enjoying the way like
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grok got so instantly on board it starts like pitching the idea of the ai president perhaps
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because it would wish to be that president itself this is a great first of all this is like ai all
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all i asked grok was what would an ai president be like if it took the best aspects of each of
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the 45 existing presidents and combine them together and he goes the ai president let's
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call it president apex for this thought experiment would be the ultimate synthesized leader an
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incorruptible hyper rational mind running on silicon and history programmed with the single
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highest value trait from every one of the 45 presidents who came before it it wouldn't just
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short-term political theater. That feels like a shot at
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President Trump, that ego line. Oh, well, let's
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see, does it have Trump listed in here among its
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approach for the economy, it says it would combine
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And at the end, it says, Apex, President Apex, would have zero self-interest, no legacy obsession, no book deals, no post-presidency grift, no family members cashing in, only one terminal goal, maximizing long-term American flourishing.
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I think we basically have to appoint this guy president.
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I'm telling you, like, what do you do, though, when you get into a situation with war?
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If you had a computer running and making decisions, I'm telling you, your enemy would be able to predict outputs of the machine.
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Your enemy could also take down your president with an EMP.
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Anybody in this office knows I will talk about EMPs for days.
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i asked it to have at least prepared for an emp he has like a water filtration system he's got
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i'm working on it and i'm working on it he's got i just got a house so one of the rooms is just my
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doomsday prep room at this point i asked it to produce a specific specifically a list with at
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least one thing from each president and it like still refused to generate a trait for biden which
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i thought was pretty great there is like honestly so say say if you would drop the the the lowest
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performing presidents like what are the bottom 10 presidents that you could could you could you
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improve it if you got rid of like like joe biden or who are some of the other ones like uh woodrow
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wilson was awful um let's see here who else woodrow wilson was bad but like was talented so if you
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were taking the best aspect of each president i think you might have a bit of wilson in there
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whereas uh they're definitely it's definitely having to reach on some guys like uh for warren
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g harding its best trait is establishment of the veterans bureau okay no no i see i would rather
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just take if i had to if i had to put the perfect president together it'd be george jefferson so
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be george washington thomas jefferson uh it would be lincoln calvin coolidge
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oh shoot reagan and trump that's six but that's that would be my list
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my my list of you know here's here's what would actually happen if you combine all the greatest
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aspects of every president you would produce donald j trump let's go teddy teddy teddy
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oh yeah i'd have to put teddy in there you gotta add teddy all right all right jack's got that
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cpac we need to talk about teddy roosevelt a lot more we got we got to talk about no i'm telling
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you i'm getting i'm getting very white-pilled being here at cpac it's actually i'm not saying
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that i was ever black-pilled but there are so many white pills here just the energy is very strong
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uh kem paxton is going to be coming soon you've got a lot of great speakers here and i'm i'm just
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i'm legitimate i'm shooting straight with you guys that there's a lot of unity in the air and
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it just feels so much better i think than when you go out into x world lately or if you go anywhere
00:27:31.980
else and people are you know just constantly trying to find ways to slit your throat you know
00:27:36.300
politically speaking or whatever that you come here and it's it's just it's a good place to be
00:27:40.480
it's a good time and there's so much unity on the ground it's really cool to see remember amfest it
00:27:45.820
was like if you read the newspaper headlines it was like all hell's breaking loose you know cats
00:27:51.540
exactly living together and then when you were actually at amp fest everybody was like a love
00:27:55.640
fest everybody was so happy and it's the exact same thing yeah it's the exact same vibe that's
00:28:01.040
why you got to show up that's why you got to show up um anyways what any other insights here uh i
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actually learned something which it says it's asking like how would this ai actually govern
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and it mentions uh personal life humble like washington family oriented like the adams and
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then it says physically active like teddy roosevelt and taft and taft is a famously fat
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president and it realizes what it's saying so it says yes even taft had surprising athleticism
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early in life um all right so speaking of surprising athleticism uh the united states
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military has raised the age uh the like max age oldest age for enlisted uh maximum enlistment age
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to from 34 to 42 and eases marijuana rules jack does this make you black pill or are you still
00:28:53.980
white pill what is behind this i think i'm actually kind of clear pilled on this headline
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and i'll tell you why that for a long time the united states military in terms of recruitment
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has practiced a system of waivers and age waivers have existed for years um you know going back
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almost 20 years to the global financial crisis and marijuana waivers are actually quite common
00:29:20.820
so even like when i went boot camp when i went through boot camp in 2010 there were guys in
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their early 40s who were there with me and so i mean it it hasn't been a new thing i think they're
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just kind of normalizing a situation that already existed yeah but do you see this as like an
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admission that we're having some sort of recruitment issue because the the headline
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has been that we haven't this is we've been having historic recruitment but then iran happens
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and maybe recruitment fell off again i don't know is there you're the guy with the credential at the
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dow so yeah no so i um i honestly don't think that it's anything other than that other than
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the fact that they have so much demand for people who want to go in that are up to you know up to
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including 42 that's a white pill they're saying rather than yeah yeah rather than have this you
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know have to get a waiver every single time for age because it's a pretty perfunctory process
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it's actually not that hard to get i know people have done it that all you have to do in this case
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now is they said look we're sick of doing this extra paperwork for the waivers that we're just
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going to go ahead and make it across the board 42 now and by the way i'm sure for certain things
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marine special forces that's going to be different if you're going for a security clearance sf 86 i
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don't know if the marijuana rules would apply there so i would say the devil's in the details
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on some of this stuff i'm sure not every single military program is open to uh 42 and marijuana
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use but um you know i think by and large you're going to see that it's really just a normalization
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of what was already in place it's good any other thoughts man we can go quick i know i mean i know
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i know people want to like speculate and be like oh this means we're definitely having a draft
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this that other i'm like yeah but i'm just saying as a guy who has experienced the military and i
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know people who have joined and are joining and going through these processes and i know recruiters
00:31:20.140
that that's exactly what i'm hearing the demand is through the roof and this is just a way to
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sort of streamline the uh the process that's already in place good makes sense i mean i hope
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he's right it's just i just i don't know it's it's one of those things where i can think of a
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lot of justifications for it and yet at the same time there does seem to be some it does obvious
00:31:40.380
optics like yeah you're just saying what do you feel when you see the headline like u.s military
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it makes massively expands age range it makes me think of ukraine where they started you know
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drafting like 55 year olds and yeah that's what it makes me think of so i i didn't know but it's
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it's actually it's actually evidence that we don't get me wrong like i get the optics for sure but
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i think it's actually evidence that we're moving away from needing to have a draft because we've
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got so many people that are trying to join i see that point man we got a question from uh
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asked Claude because I'm unable to think myself anymore
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because I've been looking at AI for too many seconds today
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this is actually a really funny trend at this point
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oh wow now that's worth tweeting that's worth tweeting i don't know okay honest question for
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everybody around here jack to start with you what was joe biden's don't be don't be a jerk
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because i'm tempted not not that you would do this what was joe biden's best characteristic
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what's his like actual best trait honestly i can answer this and i think it actually gets at why
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his presidency was ultimately such a failure. I think there was a lot of openness on the left
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right when he took office after J6 and everything to immediately like massively expand, like
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massively expand crackdowns on the right, like immediately try to arrest president Trump and
00:33:30.260
throw him in prison. Like he could have gone really, really aggressive. And in that moment,
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he did not, he did not arrest president Trump. He just let us like a special counsel came in
00:33:41.180
later and did stuff so he just wasn't he didn't maximally seek vengeance yes and i think in the
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end i don't know that that was really even something he felt strongly about i think it
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was the people below him really wanted to do that i had a sense of norms that that was betrayal of
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jack what's your thought if you had to give ai biden presidency what would you name his best
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trade as yeah you know what's funny is i actually i used to have like a standard answer for this
00:34:07.880
question and i'm just totally drawing a blank right now because i'm like super jet lagged i've
00:34:11.580
been running around at cpac all day but i will say that there are a few things that biden was
00:34:16.400
good at and on the populist front um i i'll say that like ending one of the ones that i've always
00:34:23.840
just given him credit for it's not something that a lot of people are going to see it but
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you know the ticketmaster live nation antitrust investigation that we just saw that the trump
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doj kind of kind of took a took a whiff on kind of bunted on that this was something that he used
00:34:38.800
to dig into when it came to the nuisance payments and the hidden extra fees that were in ticketing
00:34:45.400
and so many other services that we get on a regular basis i thought it was always smart of
00:34:50.580
him and smart politics too to be able to put that front and center and say we're going to fight
00:34:54.500
against these junk fees and i think that's something that a lot of republicans kind of like
00:34:58.120
poo-pooed but it actually was a very strong populist measure i don't know that i have an
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answer i really don't uh i think his best trait and it definitely could be weaponized against him
00:35:12.160
was his is his seeming genuine love for his family well he definitely has that he definitely has that
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i think that's his you know i think that's the best thing he you know i think it doesn't make
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him a good president no but he loved his family i believe that um that is a rich topic this ai
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president i did expect me i didn't expect my own self to be that intrigued by this one all right
00:35:41.240
jack lord of the rings this is the next topic peter jackson is teaming up with colbert uh on
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for lord of the rings movie we have a clip it's really long though can we just like play half of
00:35:59.580
I was just explaining to the folks about the next Tolkien movie
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after Hunt for Gollum and the fact that we've partnered up with you
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You know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me,
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but the thing I found myself reading over and over again
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were the six chapters early on in The Fellowship that y'all never developed into the first movie
00:36:29.300
back in the day. It's basically the chapter is Three is Company through Fog on the Barrow Downs.
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And I thought, oh, wait, maybe that could be its own story that could fit into the larger story.
00:36:41.580
Could we make something that was completely faithful to the books while also being completely
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faithful to the movies that you guys had already made? And I started talking it over with my son,
00:36:53.100
peter who's also a screenwriter and we worked out what we thought would work especially as a framing
00:36:59.040
device for that story get it and um it took me a few years i don't even think he got to it though
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which is that so the framing device is going to be they say that frodo is dead which actually that
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was a debate we were having on the show earlier today because does frodo die or not in lord of
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the rings and the answer is he actually probably does people get mad when you point that out
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but anyway frodo's at least gone he has departed middle earth and then it's gonna be that sam and
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his daughter and like elderly mary and pippin are traveling and they they discover some secret that
00:37:31.000
like could have led to to bad stuff happening and i guess we're just gonna have we might have a
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hobbit girl boss girl bossing her way across middle earth no i get that i get that that's
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the contention but but just for clarity so he said these were the first six chapters but you're
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saying this is like a sequel i think it's going to be a framing device with sam and his daughter
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and like elderly mary and pippin but it's going to be adapting in some manner the content early
00:37:59.700
in lord of the rings with the tom bombadil weird barrow man stuff that didn't they didn't show in
00:38:07.520
the movie because it's like weird so we have charlie so it's going to be a sequel but it's
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going to reference things that supposedly took place before the main movie yeah it's a sequel
00:38:18.760
prequel that's what it pretty much um so we have charlie flashbacks and that kind of thing so it
00:38:25.520
for those for fans of the show that watched for a while you'll remember we had a lord of the rings
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conversation where tyler suggested that lord of the rings was gay true story and then charlie
00:38:37.280
push back and he had this to say, but by the way, when you, when you watch this clip, I
00:38:42.420
noticed it, that Jack is trying not to yawn in it, which is really funny. It's like this
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subtle, like Jack somehow like kept himself. We can debate that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Stop
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15. I thought I am. I could not be in more agreement with Blake. I think Lord of the
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Rings is one of the greatest artistic accomplishments of the species. Can you zoom in on that? Like
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jack face like no no they pulled it just because they wanted to zoom in on that they wanted the
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weird thing is that's like me and i hadn't taken any strong cell so there's like no hair yeah right
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yes i look at that like a total weirdo charlie was talking i thought they were doing the solo
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camera on him and but i thought i was off camera jack was just like i've been there though man
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When you're hosting the show, it's really tough sometimes with the sneezes.
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When I was younger, I was an altar boy in church.
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It would just come up, and my parents would eventually get to the point
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where we would get done, and they would come up,
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But what I think I was trying to do there, you're right, it was definitely yawn.
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um it was you you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and supposedly that helps you from
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opening your mouth all the way because something with like i guess this is kind of like a form of
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viewing so it's anti-yawning viewing and uh i was i was trying to do it there and i was man i i think
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i failed i think i failed that time uh oh wait suzu's pedals just smacked me upside the head
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this is a good point he ignored the illegitimate grandchild number seven i assume that's is that
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biden's best trait well because i said biden's best trait was he seemed to love his family
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this is why it's such a hard question even when you're trying to be generous her man i met navy
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i actually met her once that was uh angelo was wild oh angelo points out a good thing like does
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the world need more lord of the rings content and i'd say that's a that's a highly valid question
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because i feel compared to every big big franchise that people get obsessed with star wars marvel
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james bond anything does lord of the rings have the most consistently bad content that is anything
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that's not the peter jackson trilogy like the hobbit movies were bad most of the video games
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are really bad i mean i feel like whoa the first hobbit movie is fantastic the first hobbit movie
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is not fantastic it has a fantastic song about the amazon lonely mountain song no the amazon one
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is trash absolute garbage jack we have a zoom up on your young every we have a zoom in on the yawn
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every single we don't need to do that hobbit movie we don't need is a brooder film this
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oh come on back into the left back into the left suppressing the yawn that was there was a smell
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that was whopping um someone in the other room was yes was cooking up some some cow pie and uh
00:41:50.100
you know i just got a bad whip of that no honestly it's very subtle like if you
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actually had a real yawn there jack i mean i feel bad for the podcast we should move on because
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when they listen i'm telling you that's the tongue thing i'm putting the tongue on the on
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the roof of my mouth and i'm going like all right you have to feel like wrangle it down
00:42:07.380
all right who did it better golem or colbert image 16 throw it up here who did it better
00:42:14.580
oh absolutely golem absolutely golem once again the podcast folks have no idea what we're talking
00:42:20.700
about because they just sort of have this weird by pressure no but really lord of the rings is
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i do feel like lord of the rings doesn't hold up that well and it's spinoff material i have to say
00:42:31.080
they're like i understand tyler's kind of contention that it's it's a little effeminate
00:42:35.900
there's something about peter jackson's lord of the rings that does feel a little effeminate i
00:42:39.720
know that charlie loved it you loved it and i enjoyed it when it started i just it is a little
00:42:45.600
effeminate what wait what is effeminate about lord of the raves sam and frodo's relationship
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a fellowship it's simply a fellowship of men a little gay who go into the woods to play with
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their ring yeah it's totally straight you probably i bet you watch you watch like you probably watch
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First of all, a lot of the elves are just women.
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Well, that's not inherently a little effeminate, though.
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So, Caboose says the hobbits are whimsical small creatures who garden and eat all day.
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We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
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No, we have to agree that you are incorrect and I am right.
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The first Hobbit film is literally a shot for shot of the book.
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Hobbit's are whimsical, Elves are snag guy.
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I do have a hot take on Lord of the Rings in general
00:44:28.440
So you guys know that J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis
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they were both professors of english at oxford together and so narnia and lord of the rings
00:44:41.500
where yeah russ is going narnia and lord of the rings were you know kind of kind of written almost
00:44:47.420
not you know concurrently in a sense and tolkien always said that he didn't like narnia because he
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thought that it was too overtly christian and i've heard people try to make the argument that lord
00:45:00.120
of the rings is overtly christian and i hate the burst of bubble guys but you're just wrong there's
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nothing overtly christian about lord of the rings uh there's no church in it there's no faith in it
00:45:10.880
there's no christ figure there's none of these things and honestly lord of the rings if it's
00:45:16.180
anything lord of the rings is overtly pagan lord of the rings is it's interesting actually because
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people will a weird thing did you know this about lord of the rings that lord of the rings
00:45:27.260
does not take place on like a different planet or anything it takes place on earth middle yeah
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Yeah, the claim, the conceit of Lord of the Rings is that it is literally just Earth 10,000 years ago.
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And there's a different map and all of that because, you know, the continents have shifted.
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The same way that Greek mythology and so forth.
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So, like, in Lord of the Rings, they don't really talk about it.
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But there is a god, Ruilvatar, who is just God.
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And it's like they have different names for it and all of that.
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I think Lord of the Rings, I haven't watched it in so long,
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The themes, but I mean, I'm sure, listen, I haven't watched it for a long time.
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Yeah, I think there is something to be said that your themes can be overtly Christian
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while the actual content doesn't feel like it's not an allegory the way that Narnia is,
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but the themes are overtly christian darkness good versus evil yeah jackie you have good versus
00:46:37.100
evil i'm not saying that i'm not saying it's not a cool story but it is also overtly pagan
00:46:41.780
like the the content is obviously pagan because you have like demons and you have a like a pantheon
00:46:48.680
of of powerful creatures and figures um which which you it's to your point like you just said
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it's much more like greek mythology or norse mythology or um uh you know slavic folk mythology
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than it has to do with with a christian story i'm all right guys you know what i realized the fact
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that lord of the rings appealed to colbert is proof enough that it's probably hold on hold on
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as we discussed lewis made more christians that tolkien and lord of the rings you get these guys
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this thing is like, oh, it's overtly Christian,
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I'm like, well, then why does a guy like Colbert love it
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the only way we can resolve this is I asked the lib
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gay and grok says no lord of the rings is not gay in any meaningful sense neither as a story
00:47:58.900
nor in its themes nor in its characters nor in its intent it's a straight up pun intended
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epic of good versus evil it literally says it is a straight up pun intended uh while claude
00:48:10.520
the lib ai says it takes that nuanced angle peter jackson's adaptations lean into the emotional
00:48:45.080
batman being kind of servants to an officer in a military context to be fair you know it is
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elijah wood's portrayal of frodo is a little effeminate yes to be fair but i but this reminds
00:48:58.120
me of uh lincoln right lincoln i didn't think he like share a bed with uh like like a childhood
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friend or like when he was pre before he was married basically but that was andrew you're
00:49:20.920
So there's all these rumors about Lincoln that he's gay, but he wasn't gay.
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He was a wife guy, and it's actually a pretty sad wife guy because his wife was not very nice.
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Well, she was psycho, and she treated him like crap, and he was always really kind of worked up because his wife was throwing temper tantrums and stuff.
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But, like, there is, my point is that there is a, yeah, you can have intimate male friendships without them being gay.
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But what's funny is that when that happens, it can actually be a really, you know, it can be a good thing, really positive thing.
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But the world is such that it will always take that and assume that it's gay.
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Lincoln's story was not gay, but now there's this attempt to rewrite the history around Lincoln that he was gay.
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Zuzu asks, did Tolkien and C.S. Lewis end their friendship over Christianity?
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No, I wanted to debunk that because obviously they were both Christian.
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Tolkien was butthurt that when Lewis became a Christian,
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he became an Anglican instead of becoming a Catholic like Tolkien was.
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I think they did have a pretty severe falling out,
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I don't believe they were ever enemies or anything.
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Just since we're on the topic, I always try to bring this up whenever I can so I can get
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So I don't think that Lord of the Rings is queer coded.
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However, I do think that there is one piece of children's media that is extremely queer coded and the director and even one of the main stars have admitted this.
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It's a Disney movie and it's called Frozen.
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Yes, that's right. Frozen is absolutely queer coded.
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It is two females. Oh, I know you're going to say, oh, they're sisters.
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No, no, no, no. I'm saying if you actually look at the story, it's about the sisterhood.
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it is very anti-male every man in it is like either the enemy or a liar or a dullard or someone
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who's stupid and it's about you know we women bind together through the power of our relationship
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against the men of the world and i believe there's also a gay character when they go to the sauna
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as well the spen or something though it's like feminist it's not necessarily i'm telling you
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it's totally queer coded totally queer coded wait what happens with what about the dude who's like
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a nice salesman isn't yeah he ends up getting the the younger sister yeah doesn't he no he gets
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them i'm telling you though but it's it is that's what i'm saying it's coded i'm saying it's different
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not overtly but it is coded and idina menzel has come out and said this who uh did the voice of the
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uh the the main character um and uh gosh i can't think of it whatever you know her name the frozen
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chick and the director has said it as well so that's why that's why um let it go is seen as a
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queer anthem in the lgbt community just be gay just be gay no so fazio says i mean if frozen is
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gay then lord of the rings is elton john elsa so yeah elsa no lord of the rings is not queer
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coded because it's not there's no intent but in frozen there is yeah i can't aggressively
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weigh in on whether frozen is gay because unlike jack i do not watch it at least three times a
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week you had that i think i've only seen it once probably not all the way through well listen i
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Yeah, but the people who make everything in Hollywood say it's queer coded.
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That's how you keep getting jobs in Hollywood.
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Yeah, they definitely get jobs, if you know what I mean.
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I really, I have to get, we have to get to this show, this story of the quadruple amputee murderer.
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it was one of those stories where everyone sees the headline and does a double take goes excuse
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me and i shared this with my wife and she was like wait what like and i was like there's video
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and i was like not of the murder but like of this guy shooting you know a weapon he can like
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cock the gun and point it and shoot it with like i guess he's got kind of you know like uh
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i mean it's a headline that you just have to embrace like this is the headline i saw on nbc
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quadruple amputee and cornhole pro accused of fatally shooting man while driving it's like
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there's so many things yeah there he is that's him that's him on his youtube account he is
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blasting away with that gun and that man has no hands look at i i would be terrified as if i if
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i was him of accidentally shooting off wait do we have do we have the b-roll of him like
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climbing into the tree man yeah i know there's not much less oh gosh look at him this guy is
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cooler than i am i mean like period like straight up a little bit of respect for
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his zest for life as a quadruple amputee apparently had some some illness as a as a kid
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and they had to amputate all four limbs in order to save his life and then he i mean we've got
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we got clips on this guy so um let's let's start with uh yeah i mean i haven't seen that one so
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that's interesting let's start with i guess sot 19. who is dayton weber dayton weber is a beast
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he's strong um he's determined to me that's like beast mode you know he just got sick like any
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other normal kid, take him to the hospital and find out that it had gotten to be a bacterial
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infection. Grave danger is the word they used all the time. Dayton was diagnosed with a bacterial
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infection that led to sepsis, the bacteria using his bloodstream as a tool to attack his organs.
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They suggested that he be baptized and given his last rites.
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That just didn't enter my thought, that I was going to lose him.
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doctors amputated Dayton's extremities, both arms and legs.
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Yeah, but that guy didn't let it hold him back.
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saddest things i've ever seen he committed felonies that most fully limbed people can
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never dream of uh that allegedly i hate that because it makes me feel all the sympathy for
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me and then like the story of the murder is is uh the murder is like crazy so he's just sitting in
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his tesla he's got two people in the back dayton weber was behind the wheel when he opened fire
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on bradrick michael wells during an argument as they were traveling right in a car in the town
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of la plata uh and then weber allegedly pulled over and asked the backseat passengers to help
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pull wells out of the car they refused and instead flagged down la plata police there's nothing this
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man can't do except how slow do his friends have to be to allow him to get shots off that's what
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i'm in the car that's what i'm thinking it's like that's my question if you know like and you kind
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of wonder about the lead up was the guy like he's not gonna do yeah he's like he probably like the
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passenger probably didn't know that he could pull it off or maybe he did i don't know it jack you've
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got save us i've weather which way to go here weber competes in the america today at the end
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of the day you you can say you can certainly say that you have to look out for an unarmed man
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weber competes in the american cornhole league which called this case quote an extremely serious
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matter that's what can i say you just you just you just gotta give him a hand oscar pastorius
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sort of walked so that this man could kind of run okay that's pretty good that's pretty good
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i did get it from a nice tweet i guess you could say there's a crime afoot
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the studio you know what you know what they say he's got to stand on his own two legs
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this is disgraceful yeah i'm sorry we this is really gone off the rails this is gone
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i'm trying to think of a good alarm or leg pun uh doesn't have much of a leg to stand on all
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right so wait he could shoot a rifle too hold on wait what did you say hey this case doesn't
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have a leg to stand oh there you go uh cut 24 is dayton weber shooting a rifle i didn't see this
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one let's see that one 24 how's he do that second shot a little better don't you probably have
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yeah yeah uh-huh i just got to shoot it one time first that gun that gun is nasty
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i i'm genuinely sad that this guy did murder someone because it really actually it's it's
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genuinely inspiring to see those clips and you feel bad about how it all ended because
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i think there's a lot of people out there who would say like i would rather die than
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live that way and like he he did seem to have a pretty rich life other than the murdering people
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part yeah and you kind of wonder like did did the trauma of what he went through as a as a child
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did it like scar him did it traumatize him in some way that made him do this i don't know the
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whole story really watching his parents talk about him and watch like seeing him as a baby
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with the arms like i cannot imagine being a parent and seeing that happen to my kid i just can't so
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it's a really tragic ending to it you know what they say you know what they say though people
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with disabilities can do anything in 2023 the american cornhole league called weber
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unstoppable and they said that he is a shining example of our slogan anyone can play anyone can
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win he was also able to he taught himself to write race go-karts and compete in cornhole
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weber says that cornhole taught him to take challenges as they come each day wait a minute
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wait a minute blake he should he should he should take the stand himself in the trial because then
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the judge will say place your hand on the bible oh wait it's the technicality they won't be able
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to i thought you were i thought you were hitting him with that one too yeah i mean listen it's a
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it's a sad story i i'm i don't think i'm gonna get over the picture of the kids once you have kids
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like everything changes i'm sure jack will appreciate this like you can't you like it's
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you know watching gory movies for example is way harder watching anything in a movie that happened
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to a kid it watching any of these stories i can't i can't watch any movie if there's like a kid i
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guess in the new um whatever the last michael myers movie is like when jamie lee curtis came
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back there's something like the kid dies and it's like a babysitter like accidentally throws him off
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the stairs and and he dies in like the first five minutes and i was just like i can't i couldn't even
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watch the rest of it after that just couldn't yeah no no so this whole story sucks i'm but but
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it did give some great fodder to the folks online the comments on this like
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were legitimately funny they were laugh out loud a lot funny um
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yeah wait is jack gonna claim the quadruple amputees are gay also no no jack didn't do
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anything i mean he did he was literally obsessed with holes he was a professional do we have the
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cornhole professionally put 11 year olds 11 year olds uh clip it's a great great book what's wrong
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with that it's a clip 20 uh fazia whatever newberry award let's play let's play him talking
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about playing cornhole we're here at my house this is where i practice my cornhole cornhole is
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It's been a passion of mine since I was eight years old, you know, throwing in the backyard with my parents, friends, and stuff.
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At first, it took me a little while to get it there to the board consistently.
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I was able to compensate the grip on the bag by just grabbing the corner of it with me propelling myself forward in the whip of the bag.
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that guy's better at cornhole than i am a lot better he's in the professional
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he's better at murdering people than you are too which is man but to be fair blake
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that we know of that we know of man gosh why did this guy have to go kill somebody i like
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we should have had him on thought crime before he did that he's like actually such an inspiration
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except uh unfortunately um all right well good now we're all it's a great downer really really
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good job don't let your disabilities get in the way of your dreams so there you go all right well
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listen jack have a great time at cpac tell us uh keep keep the vibe up keep enjoying it um
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seriously yeah and uh yeah why don't you uh take us home sign us off and take us home
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ladies and gentlemen as always go out there and commit more thought crime