THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 125 — Red Button or Blue Button？ AI Car Police？ Shooter Selfies？
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Summary
On this week's episode of the podcast, the boys are joined by their good friend Jack to talk about the latest episode of Thought Crime Thursday, the new episode of The Office, and a very special Christmas song.
Transcript
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From the age of big brother, if they want to get you, they'll get you.
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DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Thought Crime Thursday is upon us.
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They tried to do everything they could, but they couldn't stop it because even without
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songs, even without presents, Thought Crime Thursday always comes.
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I don't know why I did that, but I just did that.
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Let's see who we have here because I was like, where is Jack going?
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it totally works you're a man of boring thoughts no it's just like and on establishment and on
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that day the grinch's thought crimes grew five sizes okay are we are we already getting into
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the jp morgan story no no no no we have a way more important topic that we were talking just
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before we started which is imagine that by we were talking about probably i think this is like
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which is the Crossfire advertisement from the 90s.
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I can't remember because I was like eight when that was on air.
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Then you guys didn't even care about that reference.
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You were just like, started singing a jingle to Crossfire.
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Crossfire, you'll get caught up in the crossfire.
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it was it was on every episode of of double dare i think oh is that where it's from no well no it
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was it it was on nickelodeon like it was a kid's it was a game or a show no it was a game you don't
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know crossfire i don't know you don't know crossfire i mean if they pull up the video maybe i do
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did you not watch nickelodeon endlessly like we did in the fire what is it crossfire
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Andrew was raised by a wild pack of chihuahuas, actually,
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Isn't this like the brutal call from Kylie when she goes, it's not loaded yet?
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And so sometimes I make the call for the video and I hear that in our ear.
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You don't hear it on the other side, but it's not loaded yet.
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She's very thorough about letting us know when something is loaded.
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yeah you know well we can we can we don't need to fixate on it but the point is is crossfire was
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important it was extremely culturally impactful it it fit into the important millennial zeitgeist
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which is you'd watch an ad it would have an amazing song it would make it look like the
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coolest thing ever and then you'd actually get it for christmas and you'd play with it for like
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five minutes and go i just kind of lame and then you became a jaded millennial who voted for obama
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and then they like explode yeah no the kid the kid the way at the end the kid spins out
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watch this yeah yeah the game was awful like i actually got one at one point it was so bad
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the what are we black the board the board was bad no the actual if you played the commercial it was
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it's the greatest it's obviously the greatest commercial of any game for all time but the
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actual game was awful there's no one who still plays it there's no um like i thought this was
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the most important cultural artifact of the 90s ever wait i just googled wait i just googled
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wait i just googled it jack's right i googled greatest commercial for any board game of all
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time the 1989 crossfire commercial is widely considered the greatest most memorable board
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game advertisement board game advertisement featuring high energy rock music laser shooting
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Wait, wait, wait. You want to hear the other four?
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I remember. And we're getting some of the younger people in the chat
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and all I have to say to them. I was not familiar with
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Crossfire. Yeah exactly so all I'm gonna say is
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We're going to have to take away your rights to us.
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You're throwing me the ball, I'm picking it up, and I'm running
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with it so yeah um andrew had watched the ad he would be like his brain would have received
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additional neurons from its power and he would have caught the segue more i would have yes but
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you know it's probably that i'm just shaken up i'm shaken up still i would be shaken up if i
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learned that i missed the coolest ad ever when i was a kid so white house correspondence dinner
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we should address it let's get it let's let's we gotta do the thing so there's many things that
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we can talk about we've talked about on the daily show but in general terms yes i was there um jack
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was actually the second person to call me and get through there was terrible service in the room
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uh but uh my wife was actually the first person to get through which was uh which was i think
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actually a god thing because i tried to call her couldn't get through she ended up getting through
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to me and i knew she was gonna be worried about me but we were all good it was just a it was a
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crazy experience because we got stuck under the tables and i remember thinking the scariest part
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was don't make any abrupt moves because the secret service looked like very very intense like which
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they should have right but it felt like if you moved abruptly that they might have you know
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considered you a threat and taken a shot at you right i mean it was my first memory is i'm hearing
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glasses drop from the back of the room i look over and i see a chair flying through the air
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so a secret service agent had actually picked up a chair and thrown it and that was pretty uh
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terrifying actually then everybody starts diving under the the tables i'm sitting under there and
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all of a sudden it occurs to me did i just was i just present for the assassination of president
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trump you know um that was the part where and and you have to understand in the room nobody knew what
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the hell was going on we had no idea we had no idea because it was so cacophonous that there was
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you you were like i obviously didn't hear what i was supposed to hear and then i kind of think i
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logged like maybe a thump thump in the back of the room but i really didn't know anything so as
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soon as the coast clears and we all sit up and stand up i looked i saw phil wegman who you've
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you've met phil right before tyler many times um and he's with the wall street journal i said phil
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did they shoot the president and he said i don't think so i saw them drag him off the stage i did
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not witness jd vance going off the stage so i was like well do you know if they dragged him off and
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he was injured or if he was shot or or what and he's like i don't believe he was shot but i could
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be wrong so for like 20 minutes we're all in the ballroom trying to figure it out and i think jack
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this is what we talked about before the show what was the wildest part actually what a weird place
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It's just I'm standing up there, and all of a sudden, within a moment,
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this is a room full of journalists, journalists, on-air TV personalities.
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I have this picture in my mind of quite a few videos.
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I'm not kidding when I say at least a third of them within,
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like as soon as everybody kind of started rising their feet,
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at least a third of them were going like this, taking selfie videos.
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and they only were arriving a half hour plus later.
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Yeah, I don't know if it was Signal Jammers or-
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Well, I do think, no, actually, in all seriousness,
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remote controlled ids rc ids that they would um you know they they would block signals just in
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case just in case you know out of uh abundance of caution if there were something that they would
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block signals to prevent it from sending like a like a trigger signal or something yeah but it is
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also an underground yeah like i think it could be like both things are true in addition to all the
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obvious yeah it could be like both things are true but anyways the point is it's just standard
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procedure i just remember like so uh there was somebody on the team that was like you should do
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a selfie that was literally what it took for my team to like tell me i should do a selfie from
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the room because it didn't occur to me even as i was watching everybody all right so now
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wait guys andrew just got his gen y card back no so check this out so i i look up no but i look up
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and freaking brian stelter had jumped up onto the stage like legit like we had i didn't know
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he could jump he's a well i don't know how he got up maybe there were stairs on the side i'm looking
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brian stelter's on the freaking dais there's like there's a ladder also the real brian stelter was
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executed in guantanamo bay that was this is real that's core real raw news lore the the the look
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alike the real raw news i don't know if our is our audience fully like so this is this is an
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interesting thing though is that because i i saw like the selfie discourse actually kind of became
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like uh you know a uh a topic trending online and people were saying like hey note to younger
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journalists if you're in a room where something like this happens you're supposed to point your
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phone at the thing that's happening not at yourself which i admit i i found that to be
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it was interesting i saw yeah i mean listen there was like some journals that weren't doing like i
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think i saw nora o'donnell or whatever um i saw um margaret brent brennan right uh i saw that they
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just looked very very upset and distraught um well you know i actually like i would actually
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kind of push back on some of the people who were like um like hypercritical of the younger folks
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who were doing the selfie videos because when you you know when you're on like tiktok and instagram
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and um you know even twitter as well x that those videos are very relatable when you know with the
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younger audience and those are the type of videos that they tend to look for for authenticity
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and they look for that for a direct connection with the person so i'm not saying you know
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obviously like if there's a something going on you do want that footage but i did see i do think
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there's like a generational gap here where it's like no they do want the selfie videos because
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they feel it has more authenticity than you know you just like being behind a camera in a studio
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with the chyron and like this is what happened like well i feel like it's more real listen uh
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it was we could have what's wildest and i don't think people understand this in the room we did
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not know what happened we had no idea so you got all these journalists that are like all they do
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is like watch the news all day they're all in the dark which is funny because flip side watching it
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at a distance which i was uh it's extremely obvious nothing happened because the camera
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is actually on trump when it happens and then they whisk vance right away they take a little
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while to get trump out as i think i noticed they take a little bit to walk him out there
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was that one dude though that went and stood right but it was so easy for you to rewind it
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and see like okay and right so when i found out at a distance pretty quickly yeah i i actually
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the very first thing that i saw was just a clip of them whisking trump out like someone like came
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over at this place i was at um called my house and uh and was like have you seen this and i thought
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just initially i thought like maybe something had happened to the president the way that they all
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swarmed around him because that's all i saw well then he fell so that was the other thing he like
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went down and so people like there were there were like steps or something i think i don't know but
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I thought they were trying to get him down low.
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I also heard a theory he was going down from Melania.
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because they weren't sure that the room was in control.
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Apparently, this was within 30 minutes of his attack, dressed all in black with a red tie.
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He's got a gun, looks like strapped underneath his arm.
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I don't think you can see the shotgun in this picture.
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He's got like a DreamWorks face, if you guys are familiar with that.
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I just want his big, low-resolution face glaring right at me.
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It's just because he's half black, half white.
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For me, I go to Jim from the office that it's just that, like, you know,
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and J.D. Vance kind of did a similar, you know, smug.
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I think this guy looks like somebody that everybody's seen before.
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To the DreamWorks thing, it's, like, every character on any, like,
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animated thing is, like, always ethnically, like, ambiguous.
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there's like a few white white kids and then everybody else is kind of like i don't think
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you definitely the reason i say dreamworks face they always have that smirk it's like it's a way
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of showing that you're not you're not one of those basic just normal smilers you've got you've got
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punk energy you've got an edge to it all the knives this guy had and dreamworks will always
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do that to show they weren't just a pixar movie okay that's the shotgun down there with the hand
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gun the shotgun so he he he had it uh over slung over his shoulder maybe in that image
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remember somebody was saying this to me at one time i can't remember what incident i don't think
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it's over his shoulder i don't i don't know i can't remember what incident was i just don't see
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it but people people were saying to me when people go in and do stuff like this part of like their
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whole like you know anti-hero arc that they believe that they're like part of is like that
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process of like getting booked and all that stuff so like they're like at peak joy in those moments
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where like you've seen that a lot happen where it's like a lot of them have like sometimes you
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see like people look like they're shaken up and they're like they've lost they've they're like
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have screws loose but some people like this guy this guy this guy was not a quack in that sense
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no no it's similar to similar to uh the what uh to luigi right right so it was interesting
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you know what that's called though you know what that's called that's main character syndrome
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yeah that's main character syndrome it's really like it's the narcissism of it is yeah they all
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think that they're like the hero of a movie and you see this you see this with like a lot of
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redditors you see this with a lot of like people in that lane of you know lane of country where
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it's just this constant like it's like they're performing for someone like like someone's
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watching them so i guess he took this selfie and we don't know i think i read the affidavit i don't
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know if he texted this selfie to anyone which is really interesting to me so it's like did he take
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this selfie knowing that the police would find it and then show it later like like who's the audience
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for this anyway yeah i don't know man maybe he just knew it was documented in history he's like
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this is gonna be the guy that killed a bunch of cabinet members and like should probably be like
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is his tie tucked into his belt yeah like i mean i don't know like a little kid well planned like
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who just runs straight into a well so this this this brought up an interesting thing and so i
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just tweeted about this uh i i want to know uh angelo thinks this is probably not a good idea
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so i i and i trust angelo's wisdom on this stuff but you're gonna ignore it anyway no no no like
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no he's saying it's not a good idea so i shouldn't push no i don't think i mean i don't know i don't
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think he minds if i bring it up the but somebody posted a an ai image of the new ballroom so there
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was two things that happened so then a bunch of people online started saying this is a good reason
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for the ballroom and then uh because you know for security reasons and then um somebody posted this
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the charlie kirk ballroom that trump's that trump's developing and i was like this is a great idea
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because you have the brady briefing room that was brady was shot retweet retweet yeah brady was shot
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at the um uh hilton so we got the brady briefing room how about the kirk ballroom
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and you know and then i think you know the the question is is that like well trump's probably
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going to name it after himself um so maybe we're a lot of things we're giving people like a bad
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choice because the people that want him named trump or kirk they both like each other so you're
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giving them like an impossible i mean i just i think it's just straightforward andrew andrew
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fos is fos is is denying this fos is saying that you are fake news i he's saying that he never said
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it was a bad idea oh it's a positive paradox yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so to be fair to
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what faz said he said if you're loyal to charlie is it cool faz if i read this i'm just making
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sure i want to make sure i get you right um the positive paradox so if you're loyal to charlie
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then you'd be de facto de facto loyal to trump and if you're loyal to trump you're de facto loyal
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to charlie so it's one of those questions where any answer will get you oh you mean you mean over
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wait are you just saying about the name yeah yeah the the charlie kirk ballroom or the trump ballroom
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because everybody i would because i i tweeted this the other day i would um i would just say
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i would go with charles j kirk yeah i just think maybe a little more official charles j kirk as
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opposed to charlie i know we all know miss charlie i know that that's i'm into it you know it's it's
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you know obviously his you know what he went by but i would just say charles j because it's just
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that it just gives it that little extra you know it's like donald j trump yeah yeah donald j trump
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and one thing conservatives love is to give you your whole legal name well that's that's an
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that's an official thing within government what is the chat thing that's the identifier
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we should have the chat actually i think another frankly another good reason to name it after
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charlie is it's possible due to various legal things it might not be done by the time that
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this administration is out and i think if you just pre-announce this is named after charles kirk thank
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you it's a lot harder for baddies to undo it and we don't then we don't end up with the amanda
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gorman ballroom or something and by the and by the way charlie that's a good turning point was
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actually one of the first to host like one of the main galas at mar-a-lago which has become a thing
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like that's kind of a number and and let's be let's be real like this ballroom is like a
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like a basically a ode to mar-a-lago at the white house oh dylan dylan in the chat pointed out we
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have the donald j trump international airport because that's isn't that what they name
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and then and then here's here's kairi mcallen uh saying jack's keeping the formality so
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charles j kirk donald j trump you know the ballroom dylan also i'll just another point i would make
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is um just real quick if if you want to because they're they're talking about the whole point of
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this uh andrew i don't know if you said is is that like there was this like conspiracy theory
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that we were all talking about the ballroom because that like yeah someone had like told
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us to tweet about it or something chat and led to it yeah yeah yeah that there was like a yeah
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yeah exactly no it was we were right there with um with uh it was actually uh just so ridiculous
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it's like you read you read some of this stuff like yeah we're all we're all logged in when you
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couldn't even have access to like you know um wi-fi like we're all logged in it's like no men
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can actually just think independently that's how it works um but what do you call it if if you want
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it to if you want to keep the focus on security and if you want to keep the focus on political
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violence and free speech free speech first amendment um also it just naming it after charlie
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really i mean it's so multi-layered it's just so multi-layered also frankly they already have
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renamed the kennedy center to be the trump kennedy center which is another big events venue and so
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i don't think he needs two events venues named after and by the way to your point if you've
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named it the charlie charles james kirk ball ballroom like you're right i i dare the left
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to try and take his name off that i mean they still might we've got we are a governor here
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Yeah, everything that got vetoed. Wait, but is that
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house room well so so and and that's it's it's a james brady press room but again it's the full
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name we call it the brady press room um where that's what the press briefings happen when
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they're you know when caroline of course is i guess off um on maternity leave and we're all
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praying for caroline of course um but when she's there it's um and when she's not there actually
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it's uh it's called the brady press room also because of political violence so a lot of people
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want to call it the charles j kirk freedom hall you know you want you want a real thought crime
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but then they just probably call it you want a real thought crime i don't like too many things
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being just named the freedom x it's it's like a low effort name for things there's a lot of
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freedom and it's not like what's a freedom it's not a freedom hall it's a ballroom and just maybe
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if you named it specifically after if you said charles j kirk freedom hall because that was on
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his shirt i could i could be okay with it but i think someone even suggested freedom hall and
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then it honors both what i would i would push back on that freedom hall then it's just generic
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you could call it the liberty hall you could call it the i do like having freedom incorporated like
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maybe maybe you use freedom for like a like a you know like the podium or or the stage or like a
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different part of the like this is the freedom stage or something like that as like as like an
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aspect of it and then you could have like a freedom shirt that's put up there so there are
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ways to incorporate it that i think would be cool zuzu's petals i don't know if i put petals has a
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comment oh there we go says i would love for debate hall at a university to be named after
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charlotte that's actually a really good idea like the uh like the oxford like debate you know i think
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something where you could uh create like a do we have any debate halls here in america that's such
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we'll develop one yeah in charlie's name like we could probably get one of those done at what like
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texas a&m or or something i don't know what's the most like a hillsdale one of course but um
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what would be like the most prestigious universe you could see this actually happening at
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probably the most respected most conservative school
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Yeah, why not Georgetown? Or like George Washington.
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First of all, a lot of these schools are pretty mercenary,
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pretty conservative. Texas A&M might be the most
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in a red state where we could just force it on them
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is Libs, so they would flip out about this
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But then people are going to be mad that I said
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Otherwise, all of the A&M cultists will perform a blood eagle on me,
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But, okay, so we talked about this idea of a positive paradox question,
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and there is one that is going wild over the Internet,
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I did not hear about this until at all, until you guys brought it to the show.
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Let me throw up the image here so I can look at it here.
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Just got to find number nine on our stupid list of numbers, so I want to read it.
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So this is a question that made the rounds.
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I don't think it originated with Mr. Beast, but he posted a very high visibility poll of it.
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push the blue button, everyone in the world survives.
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If less than 50% of people push the blue button,
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in other words, if more than half of people push red,
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Presented with this choice, which button do you press?
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they think that the world is overpopulated,
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So super, super libs. It's interesting you're saying that
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i think it's a horseshoe i think a majority of libs will push it but i think there's the rat
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the most radical libs would push red all right so caboose has this whole thing break it broken
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down because people get lost in the language this is actually what the truth is you push the blue
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button you might die you push the red button you definitely won't die so if you but this is that
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way this is no no no this isn't but this this isn't getting to the heart of the question though
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the heart of the question is what do you think most people will push like like in your and by
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the way is this wait is this world or country world the world is the is the mr beast typo
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this is what was the typo right i need we need this from the chat so it's it's also trying to
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understand what do you think most people in the world will push which i think i think blue wins
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In MrBeast's poll, Blue wins with about 56% to 58%.
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The real question I saw someone post after this,
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do all the blue people throw all the red people in jail afterwards?
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they take out their guns and they shoot all the people
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because i think i think the world what we're really voting for is do you want are we well
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you're voting for your own survival but then on top of that do you want the world where all of
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the blue pushers have been purged and are dead or are still with us and i'll be frank i think the
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world with all the blue button pushers taken out is a worse one i think we do not we have not
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improved the world if we take out people who are pro-social but not very good at game theory
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people who are pro-social and not very good at game theory are like the people who make sure
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that the lights remain on they're the people they are the people who put the shopping cart back
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they're the people who put the shopping cart back every but but like every uh but this is the i
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don't know if i agree with you no actually i'm no but i'm pressing it on this shopping cart is a
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perfect analog now here's my fault because there is no game to you people that don't put the
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shopping cart back but expect everybody else no no definitely not no put leaving the shopping
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cart out like an animal is the red button push it's the doing the thing that only helps yourself
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and you're okay with hurting the rest of society because there's no there's no harm to you because
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you'll never be harmed for not putting your shopping cart back you're just inflicting harm
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i feel conflicted about you've got to do the pro social thing you gotta save but blue button
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here's the point the real the real thing is is is more interesting which is what would be the
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outcome afterwards because all of the blue people i agree with you i think blues actually wins
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but they would come after the red pushers if it's not private though how do you know
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how do you know it's private that it has to be somewhere there's no fraud in our elections truly
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private there's nothing truly private and so the the bigger question is the better question is
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would you rather would that change your your vote if you if red loses and you get thrown in jail for
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the rest of your life slash or if red if red wins all the blue people die so it's private right
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there well i i don't think that's like i i don't know i think at that point it just makes it easy
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for blue to win because no one's gonna no one's gonna want to vote for the situation of like i
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might win but just go to prison and i think if that was the case though i think red would win
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what why would red win in the situation where if you push red people wouldn't want to get
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thrown in jail this is only an interesting hypo this is only an interesting hypo if like the red
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red is the answer of 100 self-interested in terms of your own survival but then blue is saving other
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people would you only have republicans left though to stop the blues from doing it because the reds
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would be better at fighting red would definitely be majority republicans i was gonna say every
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every but it would also be radical it would be radical dims too i don't think it's something
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like the rhodesian bush war what are you talking about guys i think like pushing pushing the blue
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button is totally like an evangelical megachurch thing to do yes yes yes gotta save people how
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many how many women yeah like we gotta have women like guys we don't want if red one aren't bad if
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red one how many women would be left there'd be like five men to every one yeah do you want the
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future of like where everyone's fighting over like a tiny number of women who are also the
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I'm a nurse and I put away other people's carts
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or I think I think you might you might be dissociating I would when you think you're
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pushing away those coffee carts make sure you're not experiencing a psychotic episode and actually
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pulling the shopping carts out and creating chaos wait a minute no I just I just make it
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but no I think nation is saying this to Andrew Andrew you there's a question in the chat as to
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whether or not Andrew is in fact the hated non-grocery cart returner no no I put my grocery
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cards back and it's i will tell you it's always a pain because i have to make sure the kids stay
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in the darn car when i'm like trying to return the growth and i'm like buckle up i want to see
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all the buckles so i know you've never once you've never once said these kids are really
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annoying i'm just gonna ditch the cart nope never once nope you're not i it's actually
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no joke i literally put it back every time every time don't you look at me like this
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When you got bad vibes, you don't know, but you know, no back every day.
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I believe you don't, you don't know that I do this, but you, what am I like?
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I paid a guy to follow Andrew around for a month.
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There were a couple times, there were a couple times where there were close calls, but he did remember.
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He did remember close calls, but he remembers.
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Liz claims all the women she knows are red pushers
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a lot would be gone all a lot of them would be gone even if it's not about security
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i actually do have a hot take on this that um that comes to me via uh it was from still boneless
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and he said he said you know why like the nurse ratchet type nurses exist and he said it's because
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um it's because those types of nurses their personal lives are so disordered and chaotic
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and insane that they take it out on their patients and that's why they're just like so incredibly
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like tyrannical and unfeeling when it comes to their actual patients i yeah i mean it's like
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probably for the teachers too that i've just mentioned the really nasty teachers teachers
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like yeah there's a venn diagram there man yeah i'm telling you this is what's weird about this
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question is the overlap of good like amazing people that you would want to be your neighbor
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self-sustaining live off the grid you know wants to take care of their own community their own
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family first and foremost not the government you'd get this weird overlap of really good people that
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are good for the country and really bad is it the whole idea of living off the grid that you're not
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really anyone's neighbor that's what i'm saying but that doesn't make them a bad person they just
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care about their family their church the things that that's close to them that's honestly i'm i
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have no problem with those people but there is like a a concept in christianity where you're it's
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not like pro-government coerced socialism it's it's voluntary um community right it's voluntary
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brothers taking care of brothers you know that kind of thing i just think i think i think without
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question though if red did win it would be predominantly men we would have a huge lack
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of women problem that's the bigger problem that it would not be good and that would cause what
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that would cause is go to the women and be well no actually though but you look at the chat like
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we already have the best women pressing red so sergeant 1978 says as a christian you would want
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to save everyone yeah that's what i was i i argued that too i was saying if you're gonna argue we
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should push red i think you are basically arguing the vast majority of christian clergy should die
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if you're saying we should let the blue button pushers die x y guy has a really important point
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every lawyer russia a red or blue reset button every check every lawyer would be pressing red
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it's usually a red box like i mean buttons are always earlier as well um it was a red
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reset just just give the part a shove and and leave just give what a shove just give the car
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to shove and to get in but get in the car i think what i would do is i think i would press both
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buttons at the exact same time and then just live with whatever happened well you won't live with
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with the button, so the button Hiller gave was red
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oh that's terrible google lied to me then i i have the same question kairi kairi says why does
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it seem like 90 of the libtards are either in the medical or the educational field i literally have
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the same thought at night so again it's it's that's what i'm telling you it's it's this idea
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that they don't have control over their social lives their their individual lives so they want
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to seek control over others and we saw this during covid we saw this with teachers we saw this with
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nurses we saw this with like uh sordices and you know what do you call it flight attendants who
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would just put the mask on waitresses in some cases now i'm not saying all of them i ain't
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saying all of them but i'm saying there were a whole lot of petty tyrants out there and that's
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exactly what it is that's what creates the petty tyrant all i know yeah all i know is if we if we
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If blue won, they would kill all the reds.
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I don't think the blues are going to kill all the reds.
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I don't think the blues would kill all the reds.
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I know they probably wouldn't, but the point is.
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If the blues could kill all the reds, they could do it now.
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Because we're in the reality with all the blue and red people right now.
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All I'm saying is, say the blues won and all the reds died.
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If red won how many members of congress would go
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all it would be like all again it would be the exact that would actually be a great indicator
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of like how society is represented by a representative i think what would happen is
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you would have a lot of the dems gone definitely all the female dems except for the psychopaths
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so the so like aoc's the she'd be gone no she would be around you think she would pick red oh
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Like I said in the office, I would have picked Red.
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If you want to live, I would have pushed Red.
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You're abandoning the pro-social, the cart putbackers.
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God did not create a world where everybody gets saved.
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I mean, if red is confessing Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
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It says, I want to save myself and let others die.
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I just, yeah, I mean, I just don't, I don't trust people.
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Yeah, I think that's essentially what we're getting at here.
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It can be if you want the blue pushers to die,
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then yes that would be unchristian but it could also be that you just want you and your family
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to live and you think that blue is going to lose and if that's the case then you're trying you're
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doing so out of trying to save your family and uh your your position in it so again it it it's a
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tribal thing in a weird way i think it matters it comes down to what's in our heart i think it
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The fact that it's seems pretty clear that blue is ahead in polls, but not extremely decisively.
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So if it was if ever if it was like 30 percent are picking blue and it's like clear that red is going to win, I think it's more acceptable to pick red because you don't really have an obligation to commit suicide here.
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Well, but here's here's what I'd say. The more people understand this question, the bigger the share of the vote red is going to get over time.
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What about every six-year-old who doesn't get it?
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and you're just going to let every six-year-old
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No, you've got to be the head of your household
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going in there with your children then you tell your kids hey the family's
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pressing red we all press red make sure you press red
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yeah that's exactly what i would be doing this is very similar have you guys
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watched beast games no i i've seen a little bit of it
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i've watched both seasons of beast games and there's many games that that
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mr beast puts out that actually forces people into these questions and this is why this is why
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i don't trust people i don't trust people because i think at the end of the day people are going to
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go for this the their selfish nature which is going to be to click red i don't care i i get
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that the poll is showing that we're on a trend of blue but at the end of the day what i'm saying
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nature like like you've seen every selfish nature you've seen every episode of beast
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lean i've watched both hold on one conversation time okay yeah i agree with you i agree once you
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hit 50 percent people are going to start catch getting the memo yeah like you can everybody can
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get saved you know how to tie all pick red to tyler's point beast games is a perfect example
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because the amount of people that it's like hey if you don't do anything if everybody doesn't do
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anything you all get money but if one of you decides to sell out the rest of like your group
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you get all of the money the amount of people who are just like yeah i'm out
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yeah it actually doesn't okay i have one but what's interesting in the show of beast games
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most of the time i would argue and again this is just my recollection most of the time people
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actually go with the group save the group and they get nothing they end up with nothing that
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that is why humanity has thrived though i the ability to put the group i know i'm not saying
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i'm not giving content i'm not giving my commentary on it i'm just saying in the game
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most people have lost because of their willingness to save others yeah and the people the people who
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have gone out on a limb and taken a couple of games where they can press a button and get a
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million dollars but they like sell out like 10 people or like their entire team this is why
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or whatever starts on the show, I can't remember how many, I think it's
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That's what I just said. But they won't, we know that
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won't happen. Okay, but then that's on them, dude.
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I like the intrigue that he injects into all the videos that he does.
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Blippi would probably push the red button, by the way.
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Jack, let's go to the other story of the day, and that would be Michael Jackson.
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I was under the impression that MJ was like, that we all assumed he was guilty.
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Assumed he was guilty even though the jury said he wasn't.
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You thought Michael Jackson was a pedophile just because.
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Andrew thinks Michael Jackson is a pedophile just because Michael Jackson talked like a high pitched voice and would invite children over to his house where he had a roller coaster and he would have sleepovers with them in his room where they would sleep in the same bed.
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You think he was a pedophile just because he did that?
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So, so, hold on, guys, guys, set the premise as usual, like that we usually do when we change topics.
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context here is that so michael is a new movie that's come out a biopic as andrew likes to say
00:51:36.660
biopic um is it just leave me alone last week all right yeah no you're not living that down
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so what are the wait jack jack what are the uh what are the ratings on rotten tomatoes you sent
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me this it's like well well so it's it's currently that i was gonna say it's currently the number one
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movie in the entire world rotten tomatoes was trashing it um russ is like our rotten tomatoes
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guru so i think he probably has the actual numbers but it was one of those ones where it's like
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the critics are trashing it and the audience loves it yeah i mean that that happens a lot i feel like
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that happens that happens more than anything popular at this point it's actually kind of
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funny because i've seen over the last year like couple years now rotten tomatoes people are just
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It's like nobody listens to Rotten Tomatoes anymore.
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Nobody listens to Screen Rant anymore, and it's kind of funny to watch.
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So, Jack, they did not include any of the allegations of pedophilia against Michael Jackson in the film.
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So the controversy – well, there's – actually, yeah.
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I mean, just, yeah, it's that the easiest way to sum it up is that.
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So they cut the movie because the family was involved with creating the movie.
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And so they say, oh, the family is, you know, too much control, et cetera, et cetera.
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But it's like, well, if they're putting up money and they're involved in the movie, then
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But but they were saying that you can't like you're not allowed to like this movie because
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it wasn't a critical enough lens on Michael Jackson.
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and the uh yeah oh angelo um you know angelo says uh he rotten tomatoes is still good just do the
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opposite of what because because to jack's point what the critics say yeah yeah because to jack's
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point the audience scores a 97 dang so it's like well it's a well done story there are still
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occasions where the where the you know the ratings are the same but i don't i don't want to derail
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this but so i wanted to take this in another direction because obviously the the audience
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is like we don't care we like michael jackson and we love the songs and there is a jukebox
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um you know kind of element to this where it's like there's a lot of recreations of him
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performing you know also when he's you know younger with the jackson five and then when
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he's older in his solo career um you know the first moonwalk like the first time he played
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billy jean or you know it ends with the bad tour and he's going up on stage the thriller um movie
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music video sequence when they're doing like the short film etc is in there and you know the
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audience is like we don't care but i i want to do i actually was like guys let's do this and so i
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kind of leroy jenkins did um on on twitter this week and i'm like i'm just gonna come out and say
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i don't i don't ever think that michael jackson was guilty i've never thought this in my entire
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life i followed um many of the cases um you know as in real time as they were live and it's i'm
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sorry it just never passed okay i'm curious tyler did you think did did you just sort of like assume
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he was guilty yeah i grew up thinking that for sure blake you did it never i mean i'm not a
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obsessive true crime junkie and i will admit with as they say where there's smoke there's fire and
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it's like a gigantic smoke machine just constantly spewing fumes and yet i will say i i think with
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michael what stands out is michael jackson is actually so weird and the fact pattern around
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is so strange i'm much more open to the defense which is he's not a molester he actually is just
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a weirdo and yeah what stands out in this as well as some other high profile cases where people were
00:55:28.060
assumed guilty and then it was walked back is a lot of the people until they actually had a very
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strong financial incentive to claim otherwise said nothing happened and so they'll come out and
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they'll say oh this person who was around all the time says michael molested him oh by the way he
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wants 25 million dollars yeah uh caboose made a good point he said i assumed he was guilty after
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that leaving neverland doc and i think that was kind of a big turning point for yeah i was gonna
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yeah i assume he was i assumed he was guilty just based off of growing up yeah that documentary
00:55:58.860
though has been like really really criticized in terms of like did so many things in terms of stuff
00:56:08.140
they pulled out i mean it's basically like a true crime podcast about michael jackson falling into
00:56:13.460
the same lies and half truths and misrepresentations that pretty much all of the true crime genre
00:56:20.880
uh is uh is known for because what was that yeah i was gonna say what was that one uh about the
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the guy in wisconsin the the killer uh making a murderer yeah that one was like so compelling if
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that's all you watched that this guy was innocent but then there was there was like a whole other
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side of the story that wasn't covered um yeah so scott adams actually talked about um uh what's
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it called uh leaving neverland right um i keep want to say finding neverland because that's the
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other uh movie about how uh the peter pan series was created but yeah it's a really good movie
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actually um but the the line was um that scott adams said years ago i guess when he had watched
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this was that you have to beware the documentary effect and when he said the documentary effect
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is this, that when you watch a documentary, typically they take one side of the story and
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they just ride that side all the way home rather than giving you a, you know, a two-sided view on
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things. And typically those are more popular and those get a lot of clicks and a lot of views.
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And then, you know, and they're very persuasive, but you could then go and watch a counter
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documentary right after that and be just as persuaded like andrew like you were saying about
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the the make of a murderer that actually that documentary was full of crap because there's a
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whole bunch of information they didn't include and i'll actually give you guys a great example
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of this that i just know about um from my own life do you guys remember tiger king yeah yeah
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you don't i didn't watch it i've never you're aware i know it exactly i said do you remember
00:57:58.000
it i didn't say if you watch it i said you remember it was like a cultural phenomenon
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is that like a covid one yes that's the thing everybody watched it right everyone else was
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everyone was watching it during covid i did not know it existed for several months after the big
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meme i was totally out of the loop and instead i was reading a bunch of books i read i read a
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bunch of spy novels in the spring of covid but see okay okay okay but but point being is everybody
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watched tiger king it was a huge cultural phenomenon and everybody thought like this
00:58:28.120
guy shouldn't have been in jail and that carl bassett killed her husband and they thought all
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these terrible things right well i actually happened to be in oklahoma in 2020 later on and
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i said um with the guys i was with uh for a reporting for oan at the time i was like hey
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we should actually check out the joe exotic you know tiger place and see what it's actually like
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and i gotta tell you guys when i got there i did not realize how small it was um and i did not
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realize that like he was keeping those tigers and whatever they did with that documentary to make
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each of the pens and enclosures look so much bigger it's just it was all fake um these things
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were actually really small tigers were being kept in closures that were like smaller than a closet
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where they some of them were so small they couldn't even stand up all the way and i'm sitting
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I think any story involving people collecting and raising
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okay am i weird for kind of just getting weirded out by zoos in general i mean i go to them with
00:59:55.240
my kids but like there's a part of me where i'm just like this makes me sad yeah you know what
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i mean like i mean it's like animals they should be able to see animals at the zoo i know i sometimes
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feel that way about house pets before we before we go too off of this though there there is still
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this like huge and i don't want to go through like every claim against uh michael jackson that's
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been made etc etc that that you know it's he settled the first one in 93 and thinking that
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oh if i just pay to make this go away that like the story will go away but unfortunately when he
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paid that that kind of made the story bigger because people are saying oh he paid because
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he did something yeah as opposed to him thinking oh if i throw money at this it's going to go away
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So then other accusers came out and eventually it led to actually charges in Andrew, as you
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I think one of the whole case that, you know, probably took place while you were there.
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Something Angelo pointed out that I found interesting.
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This is one of the this is kind of the first big child sexual abuse scandals involving
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a celebrity or really just making it a big story in general, because.
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and so as a result it sets the template that we've seen and so as an example
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michael really was the kind of guy who yeah he would try to pay people to make it go away and
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i think today there'd be a lot more awareness that oh paying someone 10 million dollars is 100
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going to like make me look guilty and that wasn't the way he would think about it in the early 90s
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this is before the internet this is before we have super refined advanced lawsuit culture
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and so yeah he fell into that trap of thinking that that would work because it was an earlier
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time and so people run with this drax more accusers yeah to your point this was like
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i don't know if it was exactly concurrent but right around the same time as like the oj trial
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so this was sort of the rise of your tabloid culture um this is what the kardash that's what
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the kardashians came from obviously um being that their father was one of oj's lawyers and
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was like possibly intimately aware of the case which uh we should probably get into at some
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point but it was it was right around that time that tabloids were just having a feeding frenzy
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and they sicked all of them on michael jackson and so people have been saying that uh yeah and
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to angela's point this was like the first cancel culture it was like the first iteration of cancel
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culture to say oh my gosh we can get this guy and so you know so is the theory but is the theory
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is the theory that so he does the settlement and then he goes on oprah becomes even bigger or
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whatever and then all these other people came out of the woodwork because they may have had some
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connection to michael and they were just completely motivated by money and that's why there was i think
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there's a lot of that and i think the also well the parents there's like a yeah the parents and
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there's like a the the sort of cancel culture also this weird let's call it what it is sort
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of bully siding of of michael i remember it was just the biggest running joke in the world that
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he you know for example he had the white skin and a lot of people thought oh he might have bleached
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it he might have been all that was the big rumor and the really sad thing is is it appears to be
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genuinely the case he just had a bad medical condition that you know was turning his skin
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but he also he also had all the nose work it's it's it's vitiligo something like that and then
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a reason he would make his skin white is basically you either look like a splotchy disaster or you
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make your skin as white as the whitest parts on it yeah there's there's a couple photos you can
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find of of him i don't know if we want to look for on but where you can see that so when he's
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younger this is why he wore the glove by the way um because when he was younger it started in his
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hands first and so he wore the one glove because his one hand was turning white that's why he wore
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the glove and he was like when i put this on then later it was like the fingertips so that's why
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you'll see uh pictures with him and he has like the tape over the fingertips you know he turned
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it into this like fashion statement and it was actually like you know obviously very iconic
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but it was because of this skin disorder but then later in life he ended up getting um so
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like so white in terms of the skin color that you can see blotches of like dark like brown blotches
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on his arms and stuff where the rest of it is just naturally pale and to your point like it's
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actually very sad and that's why he had to um you know wear um or you know have like uh umbrellas
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when he went out and things like that he couldn't even go into the sun so i still remember i actually
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weirdly enough i remember my mom watching that oprah interview she was always watching oprah
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and so i was all like my brother and i would always catch like whatever oprah interview that
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she had on and i still remember when a couple of the ones that she had michael on i i see some of
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the people in the chat are saying i remember when michael's hair burnt during a pepsi ad i'm sort of
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like these vague that's in the movie oh is it okay yeah yeah they do a huge thing in that in the movie
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it is like like they show it's graphic they show everything so there's two graphic scenes for
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anyone who's seen the movie um the one is there's one scene where they definitely show him getting
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whipped uh belt whipped by his dad um which is you know pretty well known that he was uh that
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he was beaten father was abusive and many people say this is kind of the reason for his later
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behavior in life that he just sort of had this stunted childhood he had the physical abuse in
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childhood also something that people don't know is that his dad would book the jackson five to
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play in strip clubs in addition to other places so he was present you know as a young kid you know
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10 years old and he's being put in these strip clubs and so for you know some of the later
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behavior to blake's point which which is obviously you know abnormal it it's it's it's more of this
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like childlike uh you know psychology that you know comes from a lot of this child abuse it's
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like a rest it's like a rest development literally i think it's i think it's so and then the other
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the other uh physical scene is that they they show his hair setting getting set on fire and i didn't
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realize that he had an entire patch of the back of his head like basically just burned off and they
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told him that you're never going to be able to grow skin back there again you never get your
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hair back and then there's a scene where you know obviously foreshadowing where the doctor says
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hey i can prescribe you these painkillers you're going to need them so that's ultimately what i'm
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killing him and that's kind of well it's yeah it's like what's that on the path right well the
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doctor got the doctor killed him got involuntary manslaughter by the way he was convicted like
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growing up i think it's so interesting that specifically around michael jackson like i
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remember growing up and like the narrative was that he hated his skin color and was trying to
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become white yeah and he was bleaching his skin yeah and then he was trying to look more white
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which is why i got all the nose jobs yeah and then now you could like now you start to realize
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like there was actual like he had actual like like stuff that was going on and then he had uh
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there was a joke the word it's called my dad had a vitroago or whatever my dad had a favorite line
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uh that he would repeat i can't imagine he came up with it originally yeah the joke was uh only
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an American you'd be can you be born a poor black boy and die a rich white woman I think I've heard
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but no I thought I thought that was such an interesting that joke was around a lot that was
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yeah I definitely heard that before having gotten older and like actually looking into the case I
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thought that was always really just fascinating how he was always pretty quiet about it like he
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didn't really weigh in and set the record straight too much I think Michael Jackson that's that's
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possibly would have been a better Pete like from a PR strategy you know to kind of like maybe
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just have somebody go out and talk about that right and maybe these days that might be more
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what someone would do right i think that i mean you look at the last 40 years in american pop
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culture i mean the guys who have become mega mega superstars madonna britney spears you could put
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kanye in there uh michael jackson they've all had like horrifically bad stuff happen to them
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that's a different category of person in my mind
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is the person that's surrounded by so many people
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and is made into like this almost like godlike pop culture figure and they like no human being
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is capable of like i don't think i don't think anyone really is capable of over overcoming that
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situation and i think i actually michael jackson to me you know he's probably a weird guy that was
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created in that in that light in that vein but i kind of feel bad like me for me like i kind of feel
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bad for michael jackson in the same way that i kind of feel bad for kanye west yeah but unless
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he actually did did a little kid no no i i know and that's like the caveat right like of course
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like if he's if he's a criminal but if he's not a true criminal he's just a weird person that
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like said weird things and was weird around people and did and like kind of screwed like
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screwed up at like at the worst possible moments and didn't handle those things correctly yeah
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Like, again, I think Kanye West is actually the most similar person
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in modern culture to that, not in the exact same personality type way,
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but in the way it's like there's nothing that he could do.
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He was kind of crafted into this social pressure situation.
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Of course, he's said and done some things that are really stupid
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but there was no win for him to come out of that.
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And I kind of feel that way about Michael Jackson.
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that's that's an interesting that's an interesting insight wow no and that's what i'm saying though
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it was like the oj trial in the sense that it because this this was the era of three six and
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ten and you know there were there were only a couple of channels so everybody watched them like
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it's it's hard to explain how big oprah was back then and how big just broadcast tv was because
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that's all you had there was nothing else so that that's why we had a monoculture in the 90s for
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many reasons that's why we had so many of these things because everybody was centered around
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television and there's there's like a bigger media story here as well and michael jackson
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dominated on television there's no question and and then eventually mtv which gave rise to that
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and so this none of this is in the film by the way so the film stops right you know i want to
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say like 1989 1988 give or give or take so it stops right before the 90s when all all of like
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this happens where he gets propelled into like insane levels of superstardom but also that you
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know these these hits start coming but it does i think for a lot of people it resets the narrative
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on michael jackson by going all the way back to when he's a kid showing that he did have this
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abusive childhood showing that when you know when he talked about hey i had this neverland because i
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wanted to recreate my lost childhood that which which is a huge piece right so they show him like
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reading peter pan when he's a kid and then eventually gets bubbles the monkey and he's
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like reading it to bubbles and as he gets older he's like talking about it over and over of him
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trying to find neverland that you know the land where you never grow up and then eventually he
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creates it himself and i should just say this while we're on here that uh you know macaulay
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culkin macaulay culkin who was famously friends with him at the time has always defended him has
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always publicly defended him and i believe testified on his behalf under oath that you
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know he was there and nothing ever happened all right but jack thought crime uh-oh thought crime
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Two childhood stars bonding in their weirdness.
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A kid who I will know is capable of building a well-engineered trap engine.
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To, like, take out adult men whom he, like, tortures with blow torches and stuff.
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And micro machines and broken Christmas ornaments.
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No, I almost wonder, I would even go so far, and I tweeted something about this earlier this week where I said, you know, in a way, and what I was getting at was that I wonder if Michael was trying to reach out to, you know, child stars like a Macaulay Culkin to say, hey, you're blowing up the same way I did when I was a kid, but maybe I can get you out of those bad situations that I was in.
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and like, here's a place you can come where none of that stuff is going to
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happen and they can't get to you from here. And,
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and let me try to get you off of that train because, you know, go,
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go look at some of the other nineties kid stars. My gosh, you know,
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like Lindsay Lohan and others that were, you know, just, just Amanda Bynes.
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of child stars from from pretty much the same era or just a little bit thereafter now ariana
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grande is going down that before before you know she's crazy okay she was on the same show right
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wasn't wasn't ariana grande also on a nickelodeon show she was on a nickelodeon show yeah um hey
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guys we're running out of time here well before we run out of time did you know that there's a
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michael jackson arcade game where you have to save children from like pedophile looking dudes
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is there really yes there is let's throw it up let's let's throw up that image i posted in
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let me let me move it over to production uh this is a real a real image from it it's a really small
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literally moonwalker yeah it's called michael jackson's moonwalker is great every single level
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you have to there's a bunch of kids they've been abducted by these fat middle-aged looking white
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guys who are like creepy looking and you have to beat up those guys and rescue the kids and when
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you when you touch when you touch the kids in the game you walk over them they'll be like thank you
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mj you save them yeah yeah you save you save the kids so it's like a big joke the sega version of
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this a lot the ending the ending screen of this game says what about the children that he saved
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well they're smiling because deep down in their hearts they know that michael will return one day
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to share with them another wondrous and magical adventure that's disgusting all right um all right
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so last thing last thing we're all gonna try and watch animal farm i believe this is the last thing
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Well, yeah, but we're going to review it next week.
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I don't believe in trashing a movie before I see it.
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I called because we've worked with Angel Studios for years.
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And by the way, I'm told Seth Rogen will not promote the film once Angel got involved, which is fascinating.
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So Angel Studios is distributing it, but they didn't make it.
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So the other thing I found out, though, is that they did tweak the ending a little bit to like, I guess, in an attempt to make it a little bit more thematically with what the original was.
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I think they want to make it half the year or something.
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The controversy is that it is actually a critique on capitalism,
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But I'm told that the Guild voted for it because there was an assumption
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that it was a critique on just corruption in general.
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i mean it's it's so great yeah well i'm just saying i mean no russ it's real short like you
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could literally read it no i read it i read it all four years in high school i don't know
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as a homeschooler sometimes they're like yeah they're like hey there's nothing better yeah
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so i read it four times um yeah yeah we're gonna watch it at the yes we will i'll get a screener
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for the team so i literally i heard we're gonna talk about this and i was like you know what what
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is it all i know is that uh angel studio does a lot of good stuff can they miss sometimes absolutely
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i'm gonna go into this with an open mind and if if they missed and it is like a crap movie that
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totally bastardized it like a lot of people are saying i will be the first to admit it i'm
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interested but i also don't think you know listen it's just you gotta have a little creative license
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in this in this business and they probably missed on this but i don't know we'll see i will i will
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go into it with open with open eyes um i have you know i i like to come as as everybody knows i like
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to have my own opinion on on things especially films and you know i i don't always overtly he's
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often wrong on films wait wait we can overtly capitalist all at all at two times speed um
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i think oh yeah oh everything at 2x why why would you waste time yeah exactly uh all right so we are
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going to give you a review of animal farm because it's been a big kerfuffle tim pool has been very
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upset about uh this adaptation uh of the of the film and we'll see if he's right i haven't watched
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the screen yet and in in fairness i will say i did try to track down russ and i were uh chatting
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about this this week we tried to track down like an advanced screener of it weren't able to get one
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so we will we will have to wait and report back yeah apparently the guy that directed it is like
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So the star of Lord of the Rings is super left.
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So the main guy from Lord of the Rings is super to the left.