Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 125 — Red Button or Blue Button？ AI Car Police？ Shooter Selfies？

00:00:00.640 From the age of big brother, if they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:00:05.820 DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:00:09.720 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:20.260 Ladies and gentlemen, Thought Crime Thursday is upon us.

00:00:27.140 They tried to shut it down.

00:00:28.680 They tried to cancel Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:31.180 They tried to do everything they could, but they couldn't stop it because even without

00:00:36.740 songs, even without presents, Thought Crime Thursday always comes.

00:00:42.240 I was going for a Grinch thing.

00:00:43.440 I don't know why I did that, but I just did that.

00:00:45.360 Let's see who we have here because I was like, where is Jack going?

00:00:48.460 How the Grinch stole thought crime?

00:00:49.980 How the Grinch stole thought crime.

00:00:51.080 That'll be our Christmas special.

00:00:53.260 You're a normie, Mr. Grinch.

00:00:56.160 This is no normies allowed.

00:00:57.420 it totally works you're a man of boring thoughts no it's just like and on establishment and on

00:01:04.960 that day the grinch's thought crimes grew five sizes okay are we are we already getting into

00:01:13.280 the jp morgan story no no no no we have a way more important topic that we were talking just

00:01:18.580 before we started which is imagine that by we were talking about probably i think this is like

00:01:23.580 the most impactful video of the 1990s,

00:01:28.700 possibly the most impactful cultural artifact

00:01:30.380 of the post-World War II era,

00:01:32.180 which is the Crossfire advertisement from the 90s.

00:01:37.840 Tyler and I agree on this.

00:01:38.320 Hold on, this is how we got here.

00:01:39.680 The studio goes,

00:01:40.820 can we get a little crosstalk with Jack,

00:01:42.880 because Jack's remote,

00:01:44.660 and I was like,

00:01:45.980 for some reason it made me think of Crossfire,

00:01:49.160 the show with Tucker on CNN back in the day.

00:01:52.100 Who else was on that show?

00:01:53.580 I can't remember because I was like eight when that was on air.

00:01:56.480 Then you guys didn't even care about that reference.

00:01:58.260 You were just like, started singing a jingle to Crossfire.

00:02:02.260 Yeah, because it was amazing.

00:02:03.520 It was super important.

00:02:04.800 Right.

00:02:05.160 Yeah, you agree with me on this, right, Tyler?

00:02:06.700 You remember the Crossfire album.

00:02:08.020 Yeah, we immediately sang it together.

00:02:10.160 No, it was literally harmony in here.

00:02:13.600 They were trying to harmonize.

00:02:15.180 Crossfire, you'll get caught up in the crossfire.

00:02:19.260 I love that.

00:02:20.140 Crossfire, crossfire.

00:02:22.180 it was it was on every episode of of double dare i think oh is that where it's from no well no it

00:02:31.440 was it it was on nickelodeon like it was a kid's it was a game or a show no it was a game you don't

00:02:39.260 know crossfire i don't know you don't know crossfire i mean if they pull up the video maybe i do

00:02:43.640 did you not watch nickelodeon endlessly like we did in the fire what is it crossfire

00:02:51.840 Nickelodeon was all I watched.

00:02:54.740 Nickelodeon raised me.

00:02:56.040 I bet I know it.

00:02:57.260 I just am forgetting.

00:02:57.960 Andrew was raised by a wild pack of chihuahuas, actually,

00:03:01.260 and they never let him watch TV.

00:03:03.380 Wait, is it a board game?

00:03:04.740 Yeah.

00:03:05.200 No, it's not quite a board game.

00:03:06.620 It's like a Hungry Hungry Hippos type game.

00:03:08.920 I mean, it's like similar.

00:03:11.020 Oh, wait.

00:03:11.720 Does it have those little BBs?

00:03:12.500 Is it like little BBs?

00:03:14.680 Do we have this ready to go yet?

00:03:17.300 Do we have this ready yet?

00:03:18.880 They don't have it ready yet.

00:03:19.900 Isn't this like the brutal call from Kylie when she goes, it's not loaded yet?

00:03:24.200 I always do that to her during the live show.

00:03:26.240 I sent that at least 55 seconds ago.

00:03:29.500 I know. 0.98

00:03:30.380 Poor girl. 1.00

00:03:31.620 We give her a lot of last minute demands.

00:03:35.140 And so sometimes I make the call for the video and I hear that in our ear.

00:03:38.520 You don't hear it on the other side, but it's not loaded yet.

00:03:42.300 Yeah.

00:03:42.580 Well, maybe we'll get to it. 0.95

00:03:44.320 She's very thorough about letting us know when something is loaded.

00:03:48.100 yeah you know well we can we can we don't need to fixate on it but the point is is crossfire was

00:03:53.060 important it was extremely culturally impactful it it fit into the important millennial zeitgeist

00:03:58.560 which is you'd watch an ad it would have an amazing song it would make it look like the

00:04:02.120 coolest thing ever and then you'd actually get it for christmas and you'd play with it for like

00:04:06.600 five minutes and go i just kind of lame and then you became a jaded millennial who voted for obama

00:04:11.580 Well, yes

00:04:13.700 That's true

00:04:15.160 Oh, she

00:04:16.120 She said it's loaded

00:04:18.860 Let's do it

00:04:20.520 Play the clip

00:04:21.800 Oh, no

00:04:25.840 No sound

00:04:26.780 I'm watching

00:04:27.900 It's the 90s

00:04:28.880 It's not about

00:04:30.360 It's not about the imagery 0.86

00:04:31.860 White kids in a commercial 0.99

00:04:33.580 I don't believe it 0.64

00:04:34.860 Crossfire

00:04:36.220 Crossfire

00:04:37.980 Crossfire

00:04:39.820 and then they like explode yeah no the kid the kid the way at the end the kid spins out

00:04:47.680 watch this yeah yeah the game was awful like i actually got one at one point it was so bad

00:04:53.520 the what are we black the board the board was bad no the actual if you played the commercial it was

00:04:59.520 it's the greatest it's obviously the greatest commercial of any game for all time but the

00:05:04.620 actual game was awful there's no one who still plays it there's no um like i thought this was

00:05:13.000 the most important cultural artifact of the 90s ever wait i just googled wait i just googled

00:05:18.140 wait i just googled it jack's right i googled greatest commercial for any board game of all

00:05:23.460 time the 1989 crossfire commercial is widely considered the greatest most memorable board

00:05:28.820 game advertisement board game advertisement featuring high energy rock music laser shooting

00:05:33.980 gameplay and iconic streamline

00:05:35.940 tagging, you'll get caught up in the

00:05:38.040 crossfire!

00:05:40.500 Speaking of crossfire,

00:05:42.060 Jack. So this isn't nothing.

00:05:44.320 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:05:45.200 Whoa, whoa.

00:05:46.460 That is quite the segue.

00:05:49.680 Wait, wait, wait. You want to hear the other four?

00:05:51.800 Battleship, Dream Phone,

00:05:53.780 which also was a big deal,

00:05:55.660 the Dream Phone, and Pizza Party.

00:05:57.920 I decided to go bigger,

00:05:59.840 and I asked Google

00:06:01.420 just greatest toy ad

00:06:03.340 of all time and

00:06:05.280 they listed several

00:06:07.200 options but they actually had Crossfire

00:06:09.260 as one of the five along with the original

00:06:11.180 Slinky ad and the board game

00:06:13.180 Mousetrap actually. Mousetrap was a

00:06:15.240 big deal. Yes. But I can't. Oh yeah

00:06:17.120 I remember. And we're getting some of the younger people in the chat

00:06:19.100 are not familiar with Crossfire

00:06:20.720 and all I have to say to them. I was not familiar with

00:06:23.160 Crossfire. Yeah exactly so all I'm gonna say is

00:06:25.240 we're going to have some accountability for

00:06:27.220 this and Russ you

00:06:29.200 have to say on air 0.94

00:06:30.540 I am uncool and lame

00:06:32.600 because I don't know what Crossfire was.

00:06:34.980 Mousetrap was big.

00:06:36.580 DreamFund was big.

00:06:38.020 We're going to have to take away your rights to us.

00:06:40.320 We're going to take them away.

00:06:41.700 Mousetrap was a decent game.

00:06:43.420 Splat?

00:06:45.480 Splat? I've never heard of that one.

00:06:47.120 Chutes and Ladders?

00:06:48.520 Chutes and Ladders did not have any cool ads.

00:06:50.520 They didn't have any cool action.

00:06:52.160 It wasn't an ad. It was just a cool game.

00:06:54.300 Crossfire is a testament to America's

00:06:56.420 greatest cultural export, which is

00:06:58.520 insane commercials for things

00:07:00.940 that are of middling quality.

00:07:03.020 We should be proud of that.

00:07:04.380 Andrew,

00:07:05.680 you mentioned something about

00:07:08.960 Crossfire.

00:07:11.260 Yes, I

00:07:12.580 did.

00:07:14.980 Yes.

00:07:16.120 I mean, you want me to...

00:07:18.740 Is this segue to me?

00:07:20.580 Yeah, I was trying to segue.

00:07:22.320 This is literally the segue.

00:07:23.640 I'm supposed to pick up...

00:07:26.180 You're throwing me the ball, I'm picking it up, and I'm running

00:07:28.400 with it so yeah um andrew had watched the ad he would be like his brain would have received

00:07:34.540 additional neurons from its power and he would have caught the segue more i would have yes but

00:07:39.580 you know it's probably that i'm just shaken up i'm shaken up still i would be shaken up if i

00:07:43.800 learned that i missed the coolest ad ever when i was a kid so white house correspondence dinner

00:07:48.320 we should address it let's get it let's let's we gotta do the thing so there's many things that

00:07:54.740 we can talk about we've talked about on the daily show but in general terms yes i was there um jack

00:08:01.920 was actually the second person to call me and get through there was terrible service in the room

00:08:05.960 uh but uh my wife was actually the first person to get through which was uh which was i think

00:08:11.480 actually a god thing because i tried to call her couldn't get through she ended up getting through

00:08:14.760 to me and i knew she was gonna be worried about me but we were all good it was just a it was a

00:08:18.960 crazy experience because we got stuck under the tables and i remember thinking the scariest part

00:08:26.120 was don't make any abrupt moves because the secret service looked like very very intense like which

00:08:33.860 they should have right but it felt like if you moved abruptly that they might have you know

00:08:39.660 considered you a threat and taken a shot at you right i mean it was my first memory is i'm hearing

00:08:45.860 glasses drop from the back of the room i look over and i see a chair flying through the air

00:08:51.580 so a secret service agent had actually picked up a chair and thrown it and that was pretty uh

00:08:58.600 terrifying actually then everybody starts diving under the the tables i'm sitting under there and

00:09:02.640 all of a sudden it occurs to me did i just was i just present for the assassination of president

00:09:08.360 trump you know um that was the part where and and you have to understand in the room nobody knew what

00:09:15.300 the hell was going on we had no idea we had no idea because it was so cacophonous that there was

00:09:21.260 you you were like i obviously didn't hear what i was supposed to hear and then i kind of think i

00:09:25.820 logged like maybe a thump thump in the back of the room but i really didn't know anything so as

00:09:31.260 soon as the coast clears and we all sit up and stand up i looked i saw phil wegman who you've

00:09:35.440 you've met phil right before tyler many times um and he's with the wall street journal i said phil

00:09:40.620 did they shoot the president and he said i don't think so i saw them drag him off the stage i did

00:09:46.920 not witness jd vance going off the stage so i was like well do you know if they dragged him off and

00:09:53.160 he was injured or if he was shot or or what and he's like i don't believe he was shot but i could

00:09:58.080 be wrong so for like 20 minutes we're all in the ballroom trying to figure it out and i think jack

00:10:04.520 this is what we talked about before the show what was the wildest part actually what a weird place

00:10:09.740 It's just I'm standing up there, and all of a sudden, within a moment,

00:10:13.980 this is a room full of journalists, journalists, on-air TV personalities.

00:10:19.320 They all start doing selfies.

00:10:21.820 I have this picture in my mind of quite a few videos.

00:10:25.160 It was 2,000 people in this room, 2,200.

00:10:28.860 I'm not kidding when I say at least a third of them within,

00:10:32.920 like as soon as everybody kind of started rising their feet,

00:10:35.500 at least a third of them were going like this, taking selfie videos.

00:10:39.740 of what just happened.

00:10:41.380 And there was no service in that dang room.

00:10:43.380 I don't know, like maybe some of them had-

00:10:44.220 Yeah, no, I was getting texts from people

00:10:45.740 who were in the room,

00:10:47.100 and they only were arriving a half hour plus later.

00:10:50.460 Yeah, I don't know if it was Signal Jammers or-

00:10:52.420 No, I think it's just, it's underground.

00:10:53.660 It's a bad, yeah.

00:10:54.500 Well, I do think, no, actually, in all seriousness,

00:10:57.580 that when there is something like that,

00:10:59.900 Signal Jammers will sometimes be employed.

00:11:02.120 It's an EOD strategy for basically

00:11:06.140 that if there's any remote control devices,

00:11:09.000 remote controlled ids rc ids that they would um you know they they would block signals just in

00:11:15.040 case just in case you know out of uh abundance of caution if there were something that they would

00:11:20.860 block signals to prevent it from sending like a like a trigger signal or something yeah but it is

00:11:25.600 also an underground yeah like i think it could be like both things are true in addition to all the

00:11:30.280 obvious yeah it could be like both things are true but anyways the point is it's just standard

00:11:35.540 procedure i just remember like so uh there was somebody on the team that was like you should do

00:11:39.380 a selfie that was literally what it took for my team to like tell me i should do a selfie from

00:11:45.160 the room because it didn't occur to me even as i was watching everybody all right so now

00:11:49.280 wait guys andrew just got his gen y card back no so check this out so i i look up no but i look up

00:11:56.940 and freaking brian stelter had jumped up onto the stage like legit like we had i didn't know

00:12:05.420 he could jump he's a well i don't know how he got up maybe there were stairs on the side i'm looking

00:12:09.380 brian stelter's on the freaking dais there's like there's a ladder also the real brian stelter was

00:12:15.360 executed in guantanamo bay that was this is real that's core real raw news lore the the the look

00:12:21.260 alike the real raw news i don't know if our is our audience fully like so this is this is an

00:12:26.360 interesting thing though is that because i i saw like the selfie discourse actually kind of became

00:12:31.200 like uh you know a uh a topic trending online and people were saying like hey note to younger

00:12:40.680 journalists if you're in a room where something like this happens you're supposed to point your

00:12:45.240 phone at the thing that's happening not at yourself which i admit i i found that to be

00:12:51.600 it was interesting i saw yeah i mean listen there was like some journals that weren't doing like i

00:12:57.540 think i saw nora o'donnell or whatever um i saw um margaret brent brennan right uh i saw that they

00:13:04.220 just looked very very upset and distraught um well you know i actually like i would actually

00:13:12.740 kind of push back on some of the people who were like um like hypercritical of the younger folks

00:13:20.640 who were doing the selfie videos because when you you know when you're on like tiktok and instagram

00:13:27.160 and um you know even twitter as well x that those videos are very relatable when you know with the

00:13:35.540 younger audience and those are the type of videos that they tend to look for for authenticity

00:13:41.040 and they look for that for a direct connection with the person so i'm not saying you know

00:13:47.400 obviously like if there's a something going on you do want that footage but i did see i do think

00:13:53.540 there's like a generational gap here where it's like no they do want the selfie videos because

00:13:58.220 they feel it has more authenticity than you know you just like being behind a camera in a studio

00:14:05.180 with the chyron and like this is what happened like well i feel like it's more real listen uh

00:14:11.460 it was we could have what's wildest and i don't think people understand this in the room we did

00:14:16.560 not know what happened we had no idea so you got all these journalists that are like all they do

00:14:20.720 is like watch the news all day they're all in the dark which is funny because flip side watching it

00:14:24.800 at a distance which i was uh it's extremely obvious nothing happened because the camera

00:14:29.640 is actually on trump when it happens and then they whisk vance right away they take a little

00:14:34.880 while to get trump out as i think i noticed they take a little bit to walk him out there

00:14:39.380 was that one dude though that went and stood right but it was so easy for you to rewind it

00:14:42.740 and see like okay and right so when i found out at a distance pretty quickly yeah i i actually

00:14:48.600 the very first thing that i saw was just a clip of them whisking trump out like someone like came

00:14:54.380 over at this place i was at um called my house and uh and was like have you seen this and i thought

00:15:01.620 just initially i thought like maybe something had happened to the president the way that they all

00:15:06.180 swarmed around him because that's all i saw well then he fell so that was the other thing he like

00:15:10.840 went down and so people like there were there were like steps or something i think i don't know but

00:15:15.860 I thought they pushed him down.

00:15:19.220 I don't know if he tripped or...

00:15:20.320 I thought they were trying to get him down low.

00:15:22.800 I also heard a theory he was going down from Melania.

00:15:25.020 I thought they were trying to push him down,

00:15:27.900 get him down,

00:15:28.880 because they weren't sure that the room was in control.

00:15:31.580 Yeah.

00:15:32.480 All I know is...

00:15:34.160 There is another selfie angle to this, Jack.

00:15:36.640 If you could throw up image one.

00:15:38.200 This is Cole Thomas Allen.

00:15:40.880 He's taken a picture in the mirror

00:15:42.700 just moments before.

00:15:44.840 Apparently, this was within 30 minutes of his attack, dressed all in black with a red tie.

00:15:49.680 He's got a knife in his belt.

00:15:51.360 He's got a gun, looks like strapped underneath his arm.

00:15:55.580 And he had a shotgun, right?

00:15:57.040 Where's the shotgun in this?

00:15:59.480 I don't think you can see the shotgun in this picture.

00:16:01.640 Can we zoom in on his face?

00:16:02.980 He's got like a DreamWorks face, if you guys are familiar with that.

00:16:06.380 He's doing The Office, right?

00:16:09.180 Who's that character from The Office?

00:16:10.960 Is it Jim Halber?

00:16:11.660 It feels more like it.

00:16:13.100 Yeah, Jim Halber.

00:16:14.140 Well, I need to see his face, guys.

00:16:15.960 His face.

00:16:16.220 The face, guys.

00:16:17.100 Not the weapons.

00:16:18.300 The face.

00:16:19.100 The weapons.

00:16:19.660 There's the weapons.

00:16:20.160 I just want his big, low-resolution face glaring right at me.

00:16:23.820 That was actually helpful.

00:16:24.960 I want to go back to those in just a second.

00:16:26.360 We'll get there in a second.

00:16:27.040 We will.

00:16:28.660 Oh, my gosh.

00:16:29.880 That's totally DreamWorks' face there. 0.98

00:16:31.580 It's just because he's half black, half white. 0.89

00:16:33.220 No, no. 1.00

00:16:34.900 He doesn't have an even smile.

00:16:36.460 He's doing that like...

00:16:38.120 He looks like...

00:16:38.920 And every DreamWorks character has that.

00:16:41.580 Shrek, Megamind.

00:16:42.620 Look at all the DreamWorks posters.

00:16:44.140 For me, I go to Jim from the office that it's just that, like, you know,

00:16:49.080 and J.D. Vance kind of did a similar, you know, smug.

00:16:52.420 With Margaret.

00:16:53.520 For the camera when he was at the debate.

00:16:56.160 Oh, that was the debate.

00:16:57.100 You're right.

00:16:58.320 Yeah, which is now, like, a total meme.

00:16:59.900 I think this guy looks like somebody that everybody's seen before.

00:17:03.860 Well, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:17:05.020 It's the mixed race thing. 0.95

00:17:06.320 To the DreamWorks thing, it's, like, every character on any, like,

00:17:10.280 animated thing is, like, always ethnically, like, ambiguous.

00:17:12.580 there's like a few white white kids and then everybody else is kind of like i don't think

00:17:15.980 you definitely the reason i say dreamworks face they always have that smirk it's like it's a way

00:17:20.140 of showing that you're not you're not one of those basic just normal smilers you've got you've got

00:17:25.900 punk energy you've got an edge to it all the knives this guy had and dreamworks will always

00:17:29.860 do that to show they weren't just a pixar movie okay that's the shotgun down there with the hand

00:17:34.560 gun the shotgun so he he he had it uh over slung over his shoulder maybe in that image

00:17:40.160 remember somebody was saying this to me at one time i can't remember what incident i don't think

00:17:45.800 it's over his shoulder i don't i don't know i can't remember what incident was i just don't see

00:17:49.660 it but people people were saying to me when people go in and do stuff like this part of like their

00:17:55.160 whole like you know anti-hero arc that they believe that they're like part of is like that

00:18:01.540 process of like getting booked and all that stuff so like they're like at peak joy in those moments

00:18:08.160 where like you've seen that a lot happen where it's like a lot of them have like sometimes you

00:18:13.400 see like people look like they're shaken up and they're like they've lost they've they're like

00:18:16.800 have screws loose but some people like this guy this guy this guy was not a quack in that sense

00:18:23.200 no no it's similar to similar to uh the what uh to luigi right right so it was interesting

00:18:31.640 you know what that's called though you know what that's called that's main character syndrome

00:18:35.640 yeah that's main character syndrome it's really like it's the narcissism of it is yeah they all

00:18:40.720 think that they're like the hero of a movie and you see this you see this with like a lot of

00:18:45.640 redditors you see this with a lot of like people in that lane of you know lane of country where

00:18:53.920 it's just this constant like it's like they're performing for someone like like someone's

00:18:58.240 watching them so i guess he took this selfie and we don't know i think i read the affidavit i don't

00:19:03.600 know if he texted this selfie to anyone which is really interesting to me so it's like did he take

00:19:08.600 this selfie knowing that the police would find it and then show it later like like who's the audience

00:19:14.200 for this anyway yeah i don't know man maybe he just knew it was documented in history he's like

00:19:19.740 this is gonna be the guy that killed a bunch of cabinet members and like should probably be like

00:19:23.860 is his tie tucked into his belt yeah like i mean i don't know like a little kid well planned like

00:19:31.440 who just runs straight into a well so this this this brought up an interesting thing and so i

00:19:38.280 just tweeted about this uh i i want to know uh angelo thinks this is probably not a good idea

00:19:43.580 so i i and i trust angelo's wisdom on this stuff but you're gonna ignore it anyway no no no like

00:19:49.420 no he's saying it's not a good idea so i shouldn't push no i don't think i mean i don't know i don't

00:19:53.420 think he minds if i bring it up the but somebody posted a an ai image of the new ballroom so there

00:19:58.860 was two things that happened so then a bunch of people online started saying this is a good reason

00:20:03.360 for the ballroom and then uh because you know for security reasons and then um somebody posted this

00:20:09.340 the charlie kirk ballroom that trump's that trump's developing and i was like this is a great idea

00:20:14.460 because you have the brady briefing room that was brady was shot retweet retweet yeah brady was shot

00:20:20.800 at the um uh hilton so we got the brady briefing room how about the kirk ballroom

00:20:27.700 and you know and then i think you know the the question is is that like well trump's probably

00:20:32.920 going to name it after himself um so maybe we're a lot of things we're giving people like a bad

00:20:38.520 choice because the people that want him named trump or kirk they both like each other so you're

00:20:43.000 giving them like an impossible i mean i just i think it's just straightforward andrew andrew

00:20:47.200 fos is fos is is denying this fos is saying that you are fake news i he's saying that he never said

00:20:53.940 it was a bad idea oh it's a positive paradox yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so to be fair to

00:20:59.260 what faz said he said if you're loyal to charlie is it cool faz if i read this i'm just making

00:21:04.160 sure i want to make sure i get you right um the positive paradox so if you're loyal to charlie

00:21:10.440 then you'd be de facto de facto loyal to trump and if you're loyal to trump you're de facto loyal

00:21:15.060 to charlie so it's one of those questions where any answer will get you oh you mean you mean over

00:21:18.680 wait are you just saying about the name yeah yeah the the charlie kirk ballroom or the trump ballroom

00:21:25.200 because everybody i would because i i tweeted this the other day i would um i would just say

00:21:31.860 i would go with charles j kirk yeah i just think maybe a little more official charles j kirk as

00:21:38.220 opposed to charlie i know we all know miss charlie i know that that's i'm into it you know it's it's

00:21:43.020 you know obviously his you know what he went by but i would just say charles j because it's just

00:21:47.720 that it just gives it that little extra you know it's like donald j trump yeah yeah donald j trump

00:21:55.700 and one thing conservatives love is to give you your whole legal name well that's that's an

00:22:01.780 that's an official thing within government what is the chat thing that's the identifier

00:22:07.480 we should have the chat actually i think another frankly another good reason to name it after

00:22:11.900 charlie is it's possible due to various legal things it might not be done by the time that

00:22:16.580 this administration is out and i think if you just pre-announce this is named after charles kirk thank

00:22:20.660 you it's a lot harder for baddies to undo it and we don't then we don't end up with the amanda

00:22:24.840 gorman ballroom or something and by the and by the way charlie that's a good turning point was

00:22:30.940 actually one of the first to host like one of the main galas at mar-a-lago which has become a thing

00:22:37.100 like that's kind of a number and and let's be let's be real like this ballroom is like a

00:22:41.600 like a basically a ode to mar-a-lago at the white house oh dylan dylan in the chat pointed out we

00:22:49.240 have the donald j trump international airport because that's isn't that what they name

00:22:53.160 and then and then here's here's kairi mcallen uh saying jack's keeping the formality so

00:23:02.540 charles j kirk donald j trump you know the ballroom dylan also i'll just another point i would make

00:23:09.560 is um just real quick if if you want to because they're they're talking about the whole point of

00:23:14.620 this uh andrew i don't know if you said is is that like there was this like conspiracy theory

00:23:19.920 that we were all talking about the ballroom because that like yeah someone had like told

00:23:24.920 us to tweet about it or something chat and led to it yeah yeah yeah that there was like a yeah

00:23:30.540 yeah exactly no it was we were right there with um with uh it was actually uh just so ridiculous

00:23:37.700 it's like you read you read some of this stuff like yeah we're all we're all logged in when you

00:23:41.060 couldn't even have access to like you know um wi-fi like we're all logged in it's like no men

00:23:46.160 can actually just think independently that's how it works um but what do you call it if if you want

00:23:50.760 it to if you want to keep the focus on security and if you want to keep the focus on political

00:23:56.400 violence and free speech free speech first amendment um also it just naming it after charlie

00:24:05.800 really i mean it's so multi-layered it's just so multi-layered also frankly they already have

00:24:13.700 renamed the kennedy center to be the trump kennedy center which is another big events venue and so

00:24:17.920 i don't think he needs two events venues named after and by the way to your point if you've

00:24:22.260 named it the charlie charles james kirk ball ballroom like you're right i i dare the left

00:24:29.140 to try and take his name off that i mean they still might we've got we are a governor here

00:24:33.460 vetoing Charles Kirk's

00:24:35.880 highways. Well, we did just get

00:24:37.840 a roadway in

00:24:39.520 Westminster, California.

00:24:42.200 I want the loop.

00:24:44.000 I want the loop. Well, if Biggs gets into

00:24:45.860 office, I bet we could get it. We better.

00:24:47.600 What do you think?

00:24:49.180 It will happen immediately. The 202?

00:24:51.860 Yeah, everything that got vetoed. Wait, but is that

00:24:53.580 Charles or Charlie? I'm not sure.

00:24:56.140 I feel like a road, it's fine being Charlie.

00:24:58.400 A road should be more formal. 1.00

00:24:59.900 Yeah, it's a white

00:25:03.300 house room well so so and and that's it's it's a james brady press room but again it's the full

00:25:10.060 name we call it the brady press room um where that's what the press briefings happen when

00:25:14.880 they're you know when caroline of course is i guess off um on maternity leave and we're all

00:25:19.520 praying for caroline of course um but when she's there it's um and when she's not there actually

00:25:24.260 it's uh it's called the brady press room also because of political violence so a lot of people

00:25:30.780 want to call it the charles j kirk freedom hall you know you want you want a real thought crime

00:25:37.820 but then they just probably call it you want a real thought crime i don't like too many things

00:25:41.000 being just named the freedom x it's it's like a low effort name for things there's a lot of

00:25:45.240 freedom and it's not like what's a freedom it's not a freedom hall it's a ballroom and just maybe

00:25:51.680 if you named it specifically after if you said charles j kirk freedom hall because that was on

00:25:55.720 his shirt i could i could be okay with it but i think someone even suggested freedom hall and

00:26:01.080 then it honors both what i would i would push back on that freedom hall then it's just generic

00:26:04.940 you could call it the liberty hall you could call it the i do like having freedom incorporated like

00:26:09.580 maybe maybe you use freedom for like a like a you know like the podium or or the stage or like a

00:26:16.640 different part of the like this is the freedom stage or something like that as like as like an

00:26:22.060 aspect of it and then you could have like a freedom shirt that's put up there so there are

00:26:28.440 ways to incorporate it that i think would be cool zuzu's petals i don't know if i put petals has a

00:26:32.980 comment oh there we go says i would love for debate hall at a university to be named after

00:26:37.620 charlotte that's actually a really good idea like the uh like the oxford like debate you know i think

00:26:43.800 something where you could uh create like a do we have any debate halls here in america that's such

00:26:49.200 we'll develop one yeah in charlie's name like we could probably get one of those done at what like

00:26:55.600 texas a&m or or something i don't know what's the most like a hillsdale one of course but um

00:27:01.520 what would be like the most prestigious universe you could see this actually happening at

00:27:05.660 actually happening yeah

00:27:08.240 probably the most respected most conservative school

00:27:16.380 that's a good question. Like Clemson?

00:27:19.120 No, it's probably like a

00:27:20.800 really high state school.

00:27:23.280 Like the University of Florida.

00:27:25.620 Or Miami.

00:27:26.700 Or Georgetown. University of Miami.

00:27:28.620 Yeah, why not Georgetown? Or like George Washington.

00:27:31.000 Georgetown. George Washington is way too lib.

00:27:33.060 First of all, a lot of these schools are pretty mercenary,

00:27:34.760 so you get someone to pay for it.

00:27:36.540 They'll probably put up whatever you want.

00:27:38.100 Baylor. Baylor. Well, Baylor's super lib,

00:27:40.940 though. I mean, but they're

00:27:42.660 historically like their board and things

00:27:44.680 like that is historically

00:27:46.420 pretty conservative. Texas A&M might be the most

00:27:48.380 That's maybe one of the most conservative

00:27:50.400 It probably needs to be at a private school

00:27:52.380 So, you know, public schools

00:27:54.460 are probably not going to do it. The highest

00:27:56.360 ranked academically

00:27:58.620 public school

00:28:00.560 in a red state where we could just force it on them

00:28:02.500 would be UT Austin, and UT Austin 0.62

00:28:04.640 is Libs, so they would flip out about this 0.60

00:28:06.480 But it would be funny 0.51

00:28:07.640 Maybe that's the point, you force it down

00:28:10.400 But then people are going to be mad that I said

00:28:12.680 UT Austin is more distinguished than A&M

00:28:14.420 So maybe we should just go with A&M.

00:28:16.080 Otherwise, all of the A&M cultists will perform a blood eagle on me,

00:28:19.540 and I don't want that to happen.

00:28:21.960 While we're coming up, Hillsdale, yeah.

00:28:24.100 Hillsdale would probably be the best.

00:28:25.820 But, okay, so we talked about this idea of a positive paradox question,

00:28:29.920 and there is one that is going wild over the Internet,

00:28:34.140 and that is red button versus blue button.

00:28:38.540 Have you heard about this, Tyler?

00:28:40.340 Yeah.

00:28:41.140 I looked at it.

00:28:42.380 Blake, give us what is the context.

00:28:44.520 I did not hear about this until at all, until you guys brought it to the show.

00:28:49.480 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:28:51.580 All right.

00:28:52.060 So is it the buttons you said?

00:28:53.640 Yeah.

00:28:53.900 All right.

00:28:54.100 Yeah.

00:28:54.220 So this is a question that made the rounds.

00:28:58.020 Let me throw up the image here so I can look at it here. 0.85

00:29:02.500 Just got to find number nine on our stupid list of numbers, so I want to read it.

00:29:05.620 So this is a question that made the rounds. 0.97

00:29:07.880 I don't think it originated with Mr. Beast, but he posted a very high visibility poll of it.

00:29:11.860 He popularized it.

00:29:12.260 It was even going big hit before then,

00:29:15.120 but the question is everyone on Earth

00:29:18.360 is given secretly a command

00:29:21.640 to push either a red button or a blue button.

00:29:24.700 Red button, blue button.

00:29:26.780 And the stakes are if more than 50% of people

00:29:31.380 push the blue button, everyone in the world survives.

00:29:36.900 If less than 50% of people push the blue button,

00:29:39.780 in other words, if more than half of people push red,

00:29:42.260 only people who pressed red survive.

00:29:47.240 Presented with this choice, which button do you press?

00:29:51.320 Tyler? Red, obviously.

00:29:52.460 The logical button to push is the red button

00:29:55.700 because you survived no matter what.

00:29:57.280 So that's the logical button.

00:29:59.760 The pro-social button.

00:30:03.260 The pro-social button is blue.

00:30:05.340 So actually, there's an argument to say

00:30:07.920 that the blue button

00:30:10.320 is...

00:30:12.260 Because this is an interesting thing.

00:30:15.420 Only libs

00:30:16.380 that believe in Agenda 0.73

00:30:17.980 21 stuff that want to

00:30:20.460 eliminate half of society because

00:30:22.300 they think that the world is overpopulated, 1.00

00:30:24.620 those people would all

00:30:26.040 push red. 1.00

00:30:28.140 So super, super libs. It's interesting you're saying that

00:30:30.120 because most people are saying a lot of people

00:30:31.580 are giving the take that

00:30:34.220 blue is the lib button. I know.

00:30:36.040 i think it's a horseshoe i think a majority of libs will push it but i think there's the rat

00:30:41.200 the most radical libs would push red all right so caboose has this whole thing break it broken

00:30:46.780 down because people get lost in the language this is actually what the truth is you push the blue

00:30:51.540 button you might die you push the red button you definitely won't die so if you but this is that

00:30:57.160 way this is no no no this isn't but this this isn't getting to the heart of the question though

00:31:00.920 the heart of the question is what do you think most people will push like like in your and by

00:31:08.260 the way is this wait is this world or country world the world is the is the mr beast typo

00:31:14.000 this is what was the typo right i need we need this from the chat so it's it's also trying to

00:31:21.940 understand what do you think most people in the world will push which i think i think blue wins

00:31:28.040 if somehow you did a global poll of this.

00:31:31.180 I think Blue wins. 0.51

00:31:33.180 I think so.

00:31:34.860 In MrBeast's poll, Blue wins with about 56% to 58%.

00:31:39.960 The real question I saw someone post after this, 0.80

00:31:46.140 do all the blue people throw all the red people in jail afterwards? 0.95

00:31:52.680 No, that was what I said yesterday. 0.96

00:31:54.660 I said, here's what happens. 1.00

00:31:55.900 The blue people 1.00

00:31:59.240 will want everybody to hit blue 1.00

00:32:01.960 and then when they survive 0.98

00:32:03.600 they take out their guns and they shoot all the people 0.99

00:32:05.720 Melshell says blue 0.97

00:32:07.940 everyone can survive

00:32:09.200 See? People like Melshell 0.93

00:32:11.040 are why I'm saying blue will win 1.00

00:32:13.780 I would push red

00:32:15.460 but I think blue would win

00:32:16.460 I think blue will win

00:32:21.440 but more to the point

00:32:21.980 I think we actually should push blue

00:32:24.280 because i think i think the world what we're really voting for is do you want are we well

00:32:30.420 you're voting for your own survival but then on top of that do you want the world where all of 0.62

00:32:34.780 the blue pushers have been purged and are dead or are still with us and i'll be frank i think the 0.99

00:32:39.540 world with all the blue button pushers taken out is a worse one i think we do not we have not

00:32:45.360 improved the world if we take out people who are pro-social but not very good at game theory

00:32:49.880 people who are pro-social and not very good at game theory are like the people who make sure

00:32:55.000 that the lights remain on they're the people they are the people who put the shopping cart back

00:33:00.520 they're the people who put the shopping cart back every but but like every uh but this is the i

00:33:05.080 don't know if i agree with you no actually i'm no but i'm pressing it on this shopping cart is a

00:33:09.260 perfect analog now here's my fault because there is no game to you people that don't put the

00:33:14.040 shopping cart back but expect everybody else no no definitely not no put leaving the shopping

00:33:19.720 cart out like an animal is the red button push it's the doing the thing that only helps yourself

00:33:24.360 and you're okay with hurting the rest of society because there's no there's no harm to you because

00:33:29.280 you'll never be harmed for not putting your shopping cart back you're just inflicting harm

00:33:32.900 i feel conflicted about you've got to do the pro social thing you gotta save but blue button

00:33:37.660 here's the point the real the real thing is is is more interesting which is what would be the

00:33:44.160 outcome afterwards because all of the blue people i agree with you i think blues actually wins

00:33:49.160 but they would come after the red pushers if it's not private though how do you know

00:33:54.640 how do you know it's private that it has to be somewhere there's no fraud in our elections truly

00:34:00.280 private there's nothing truly private and so the the bigger question is the better question is

00:34:05.180 would you rather would that change your your vote if you if red loses and you get thrown in jail for

00:34:13.260 the rest of your life slash or if red if red wins all the blue people die so it's private right

00:34:20.240 there well i i don't think that's like i i don't know i think at that point it just makes it easy

00:34:24.920 for blue to win because no one's gonna no one's gonna want to vote for the situation of like i

00:34:29.300 might win but just go to prison and i think if that was the case though i think red would win

00:34:33.900 what why would red win in the situation where if you push red people wouldn't want to get

00:34:39.660 thrown in jail this is only an interesting hypo this is only an interesting hypo if like the red

00:34:46.180 red is the answer of 100 self-interested in terms of your own survival but then blue is saving other 0.72

00:34:52.300 people would you only have republicans left though to stop the blues from doing it because the reds

00:34:57.120 would be better at fighting red would definitely be majority republicans i was gonna say every

00:35:01.760 every but it would also be radical it would be radical dims too i don't think it's something

00:35:07.580 like the rhodesian bush war what are you talking about guys i think like pushing pushing the blue

00:35:11.800 button is totally like an evangelical megachurch thing to do yes yes yes gotta save people how

00:35:18.240 many how many women yeah like we gotta have women like guys we don't want if red one aren't bad if

00:35:24.180 red one how many women would be left there'd be like five men to every one yeah do you want the 1.00

00:35:28.260 future of like where everyone's fighting over like a tiny number of women who are also the 1.00

00:35:34.180 Like nasty red button pusher 1.00

00:35:37.380 Or super progressive 1.00

00:35:38.380 Who aren't nursery women 1.00

00:35:40.060 Don't care about other people 1.00

00:35:41.000 Just a bunch of battle axes 1.00

00:35:42.980 Lesbians and men 1.00

00:35:44.920 Melchelle just wrote 1.00

00:35:46.920 I'm a nurse and I put away other people's carts

00:35:49.760 I've done it 0.97

00:35:51.840 I've put away other people's carts

00:35:53.020 Liz just wrote I disagree

00:35:55.560 I'm totally pushing red

00:35:56.960 And I always pick up the shopping cart

00:35:58.820 Liz I think you've got to reconsider

00:36:02.240 or I think I think you might you might be dissociating I would when you think you're

00:36:06.800 pushing away those coffee carts make sure you're not experiencing a psychotic episode and actually

00:36:10.900 pulling the shopping carts out and creating chaos wait a minute no I just I just make it

00:36:16.400 but no I think nation is saying this to Andrew Andrew you there's a question in the chat as to

00:36:22.060 whether or not Andrew is in fact the hated non-grocery cart returner no no I put my grocery

00:36:29.160 cards back and it's i will tell you it's always a pain because i have to make sure the kids stay

00:36:34.020 in the darn car when i'm like trying to return the growth and i'm like buckle up i want to see

00:36:37.980 all the buckles so i know you've never once you've never once said these kids are really 0.97

00:36:42.360 annoying i'm just gonna ditch the cart nope never once nope you're not i it's actually

00:36:46.980 no joke i literally put it back every time every time don't you look at me like this

00:36:54.300 When you got bad vibes, you don't know, but you know, no back every day.

00:36:58.160 Okay.

00:36:58.760 I believe you don't, you don't know that I do this, but you, what am I like?

00:37:04.240 Just putting you under the microscope.

00:37:06.620 I paid a guy to follow Andrew around for a month.

00:37:10.420 And I'm sure you did.

00:37:12.000 There were a couple times, there were a couple times where there were close calls, but he did remember.

00:37:17.480 He did remember close calls, but he remembers. 1.00

00:37:19.220 All of my women friends are pushing red. 1.00

00:37:22.580 This is making me worried about women 1.00

00:37:24.620 Women are being a little ice cold here 1.00

00:37:26.700 Wait, women are going red? 1.00

00:37:28.560 Liz claims all the women she knows are red pushers 1.00

00:37:31.520 So, you know 1.00

00:37:33.760 It's true

00:37:35.600 All the depressed people too would push red

00:37:38.380 And then we have Noah

00:37:40.760 The chaos people, the depressed people 1.00

00:37:43.200 If it was all, if the red one 1.00

00:37:45.140 You would end up with 0.84

00:37:46.880 A mix of like very libertarian

00:37:49.660 Like pull yourself up

00:37:51.260 By your own bootstraps

00:37:52.480 Republican conservatives 0.96

00:37:53.580 and really awful people 0.72

00:37:55.740 but here's the point in the chat

00:37:57.880 literally every nurse

00:38:00.020 every firefighter, every police officer

00:38:02.140 for the most part would probably

00:38:04.220 be gone if Red won

00:38:05.700 yeah

00:38:07.340 that's what I'm thinking

00:38:08.320 no not every nurse

00:38:09.360 there are some nurses out there 0.65

00:38:14.040 that are not 0.97

00:38:14.860 a vast majority of them

00:38:18.240 would be gone

00:38:18.960 those nurses would be gone

00:38:21.620 a lot would be gone all a lot of them would be gone even if it's not about security

00:38:25.700 i actually do have a hot take on this that um that comes to me via uh it was from still boneless

00:38:36.340 and he said he said you know why like the nurse ratchet type nurses exist and he said it's because

00:38:43.180 um it's because those types of nurses their personal lives are so disordered and chaotic 0.76

00:38:50.140 and insane that they take it out on their patients and that's why they're just like so incredibly

00:38:55.960 like tyrannical and unfeeling when it comes to their actual patients i yeah i mean it's like

00:39:03.080 probably for the teachers too that i've just mentioned the really nasty teachers teachers

00:39:07.640 like yeah there's a venn diagram there man yeah i'm telling you this is what's weird about this

00:39:11.880 question is the overlap of good like amazing people that you would want to be your neighbor

00:39:17.340 self-sustaining live off the grid you know wants to take care of their own community their own

00:39:22.420 family first and foremost not the government you'd get this weird overlap of really good people that

00:39:27.400 are good for the country and really bad is it the whole idea of living off the grid that you're not

00:39:31.480 really anyone's neighbor that's what i'm saying but that doesn't make them a bad person they just

00:39:35.600 care about their family their church the things that that's close to them that's honestly i'm i

00:39:40.440 have no problem with those people but there is like a a concept in christianity where you're it's

00:39:44.600 not like pro-government coerced socialism it's it's voluntary um community right it's voluntary

00:39:52.620 brothers taking care of brothers you know that kind of thing i just think i think i think without

00:39:58.760 question though if red did win it would be predominantly men we would have a huge lack

00:40:06.080 of women problem that's the bigger problem that it would not be good and that would cause what

00:40:10.360 that would cause is go to the women and be well no actually though but you look at the chat like

00:40:15.860 we already have the best women pressing red so sergeant 1978 says as a christian you would want

00:40:21.380 to save everyone yeah that's what i was i i argued that too i was saying if you're gonna argue we 0.72

00:40:26.700 should push red i think you are basically arguing the vast majority of christian clergy should die

00:40:32.000 if you're saying we should let the blue button pushers die x y guy has a really important point

00:40:36.000 every lawyer russia a red or blue reset button every check every lawyer would be pressing red

00:40:41.480 it's usually a red box like i mean buttons are always earlier as well um it was a red

00:40:46.860 reset just just give the part a shove and and leave just give what a shove just give the car

00:40:53.900 to shove and to get in but get in the car i think what i would do is i think i would press both

00:40:58.660 buttons at the exact same time and then just live with whatever happened well you won't live with

00:41:03.700 whatever happened because if you pressed

00:41:05.640 blue and red one, you would die.

00:41:07.640 I would live with whatever happened 0.99

00:41:09.720 until I die. By the way, a fun thing

00:41:11.520 with the button, so the button Hiller gave was red

00:41:13.420 and it said Peregrushka on it

00:41:15.600 which does not mean reset, it means

00:41:17.820 overload.

00:41:19.520 They mistranslated it.

00:41:21.800 They messed that one up.

00:41:22.880 I think Peregrushka

00:41:24.040 means reset.

00:41:27.500 Does it though?

00:41:28.500 It has two meanings.

00:41:30.480 It can mean both things.

00:41:32.460 oh that's terrible google lied to me then i i have the same question kairi kairi says why does

00:41:37.720 it seem like 90 of the libtards are either in the medical or the educational field i literally have 0.91

00:41:42.760 the same thought at night so again it's it's that's what i'm telling you it's it's this idea 1.00

00:41:49.340 that they don't have control over their social lives their their individual lives so they want

00:41:56.040 to seek control over others and we saw this during covid we saw this with teachers we saw this with

00:42:02.680 nurses we saw this with like uh sordices and you know what do you call it flight attendants who

00:42:08.840 would just put the mask on waitresses in some cases now i'm not saying all of them i ain't 1.00

00:42:13.240 saying all of them but i'm saying there were a whole lot of petty tyrants out there and that's

00:42:18.120 exactly what it is that's what creates the petty tyrant all i know yeah all i know is if we if we 0.98

00:42:24.040 If blue won, they would kill all the reds. 0.98

00:42:28.380 Let's just assume.

00:42:29.440 I don't think the blues are going to kill all the reds.

00:42:31.860 I don't think the blues would kill all the reds.

00:42:32.820 This is what communists do.

00:42:34.300 No.

00:42:34.900 I know they probably wouldn't, but the point is.

00:42:36.620 No, it's not a communist thing. 0.98

00:42:37.960 If the blues could kill all the reds, they could do it now. 0.98

00:42:39.880 It's a collectivist thing. 1.00

00:42:40.020 Because we're in the reality with all the blue and red people right now. 1.00

00:42:42.120 It's a collectivist thing. 1.00

00:42:43.140 Okay, so here's the thing. 0.99

00:42:44.180 All I'm saying is, say the blues won and all the reds died. 0.96

00:42:49.340 If that's the way this hypo worked. 0.94

00:42:50.740 Okay?

00:42:51.000 I'm telling you what you would be left with

00:42:53.020 Is like a 50 state

00:42:54.460 Democrat majority

00:42:55.960 Without question

00:42:58.660 So you might get some of the pro-social

00:43:00.440 But this would be 1.00

00:43:01.620 Good question with the red-blue

00:43:04.300 If red won how many members of congress would go

00:43:07.080 That's an interesting question 0.60

00:43:12.120 You should tweet that

00:43:13.200 All the members of congress

00:43:16.000 If you're not I'm going to do it

00:43:17.240 It would be like

00:43:18.440 all it would be like all again it would be the exact that would actually be a great indicator

00:43:24.500 of like how society is represented by a representative i think what would happen is 0.98

00:43:29.120 you would have a lot of the dems gone definitely all the female dems except for the psychopaths 1.00

00:43:34.800 so the so like aoc's the she'd be gone no she would be around you think she would pick red oh 1.00

00:43:42.680 Yeah, for sure. 0.81

00:43:45.000 Fascinating.

00:43:46.100 Tlaib would pick Red.

00:43:48.280 See, I would have picked them as Blues.

00:43:50.800 Because like I said, the Agenda 21 guys.

00:43:53.300 Russ, what do you think?

00:43:55.540 I don't know. 0.96

00:43:57.780 Like I said in the office, I would have picked Red.

00:44:01.820 You're a Red pusher. 0.59

00:44:03.040 If you want to live, I would have pushed Red. 0.62

00:44:05.080 You're abandoning the pro-social, the cart putbackers.

00:44:08.400 I get the Christian angle, but I don't know.

00:44:13.360 What would Jesus do?

00:44:15.520 He probably wouldn't push red.

00:44:16.980 Let's just be honest.

00:44:17.680 God did not create a world where everybody gets saved.

00:44:20.180 But sin also. 0.99

00:44:22.780 Do you think you'll be saved if you push red?

00:44:26.340 I mean, if red is confessing Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

00:44:30.340 Say that on the button. 0.82

00:44:31.540 It says, I want to save myself and let others die. 0.93

00:44:34.500 I mean, I'm certainly picking the cross.

00:44:36.640 I just, yeah, I mean, I just don't, I don't trust people.

00:44:40.940 I don't think pressing red is unchristian.

00:44:43.200 Yeah, I think that's essentially what we're getting at here.

00:44:46.000 Is picking red anti-Christian?

00:44:49.040 I don't think so.

00:44:49.480 Is that against the values of Christ?

00:44:51.940 No, I think it is.

00:44:53.200 I don't think, I don't equate that.

00:44:55.440 See, this is where we're missing each other.

00:44:57.380 I think Jack hit the most fundamental level.

00:45:00.080 It can be, but it isn't necessarily. 0.71

00:45:02.280 It can be if you want the blue pushers to die, 0.99

00:45:05.160 then yes that would be unchristian but it could also be that you just want you and your family 0.96

00:45:11.160 to live and you think that blue is going to lose and if that's the case then you're trying you're

00:45:18.500 doing so out of trying to save your family and uh your your position in it so again it it it's a

00:45:25.900 tribal thing in a weird way i think it matters it comes down to what's in our heart i think it

00:45:30.800 The fact that it's seems pretty clear that blue is ahead in polls, but not extremely decisively.

00:45:37.600 So if it was if ever if it was like 30 percent are picking blue and it's like clear that red is going to win, I think it's more acceptable to pick red because you don't really have an obligation to commit suicide here.

00:45:48.080 Well, but here's here's what I'd say. The more people understand this question, the bigger the share of the vote red is going to get over time.

00:45:56.820 It's way more compelling.

00:45:58.740 It makes way more logic.

00:46:00.340 And then the point that it breaks 50%...

00:46:03.820 Yeah, it's like self-defense.

00:46:05.800 I'm thinking of even other ones.

00:46:07.120 They're giving this to everyone.

00:46:08.180 What about every six-year-old who doesn't get it?

00:46:10.360 They have to push it, 0.98

00:46:10.940 and you're just going to let every six-year-old

00:46:12.060 who pushes the wrong button die?

00:46:14.240 No, you've got to be the head of your household

00:46:15.920 and take care of it.

00:46:16.420 No, that's why I'm telling them to press red.

00:46:18.340 It's a secret.

00:46:19.120 No, you guys, it doesn't say that there's...

00:46:21.020 This is all like appearance to be secret

00:46:23.420 in the actual hypo. 0.53

00:46:24.920 more boys would pick red than girls and girls

00:46:29.100 going in there with your children then you tell your kids hey the family's

00:46:34.440 pressing red we all press red make sure you press red

00:46:36.900 yeah that's exactly what i would be doing this is very similar have you guys

00:46:41.120 watched beast games no i i've seen a little bit of it

00:46:44.660 i've watched both seasons of beast games and there's many games that that

00:46:50.840 mr beast puts out that actually forces people into these questions and this is why this is why

00:46:56.600 i don't trust people i don't trust people because i think at the end of the day people are going to

00:47:02.540 go for this the their selfish nature which is going to be to click red i don't care i i get

00:47:09.000 that the poll is showing that we're on a trend of blue but at the end of the day what i'm saying

00:47:13.980 nature like like you've seen every selfish nature you've seen every episode of beast

00:47:19.500 lean i've watched both hold on one conversation time okay yeah i agree with you i agree once you

00:47:24.660 hit 50 percent people are going to start catch getting the memo yeah like you can everybody can

00:47:30.800 get saved you know how to tie all pick red to tyler's point beast games is a perfect example

00:47:35.720 because the amount of people that it's like hey if you don't do anything if everybody doesn't do

00:47:41.120 anything you all get money but if one of you decides to sell out the rest of like your group

00:47:48.940 you get all of the money the amount of people who are just like yeah i'm out

00:47:52.740 yeah it actually doesn't okay i have one but what's interesting in the show of beast games

00:47:58.460 most of the time i would argue and again this is just my recollection most of the time people

00:48:04.620 actually go with the group save the group and they get nothing they end up with nothing that

00:48:09.640 that is why humanity has thrived though i the ability to put the group i know i'm not saying

00:48:14.580 i'm not giving content i'm not giving my commentary on it i'm just saying in the game

00:48:18.920 most people have lost because of their willingness to save others yeah and the people the people who

00:48:27.000 have gone out on a limb and taken a couple of games where they can press a button and get a

00:48:31.560 million dollars but they like sell out like 10 people or like their entire team this is why

00:48:37.080 and most don't do that

00:48:39.240 the few that have have actually

00:48:41.520 walked away with a million bucks

00:48:42.780 and the other 500

00:48:45.340 or whatever starts on the show, I can't remember how many, I think it's

00:48:47.360 a 500 or a thousand, they walk away

00:48:49.440 with nothing. And that is why

00:48:51.180 Mr. Beast is correctly named after the

00:48:53.340 Beast of Revelation, because he is

00:48:55.020 sowing moral corruption. Liz has a really 0.68

00:48:57.360 good point. He is sowing evil. If everybody

00:48:59.440 picks red, we lose no one.

00:49:01.440 That's what I just said. But they won't, we know that

00:49:03.420 won't happen. Okay, but then that's on them, dude.

00:49:05.400 I feel like the attribution is not good

00:49:07.760 because X, Y in the chat.

00:49:08.960 No, but the argument is that you lose

00:49:10.460 maybe some of your best people.

00:49:12.180 We must protect the people

00:49:13.540 who are pro-social but bad at game theory.

00:49:15.440 One final thought of all of this.

00:49:17.020 I wonder if people's opinions

00:49:19.020 are at all affected by the fact

00:49:20.540 that in America,

00:49:22.360 red states are the conservative ones

00:49:24.220 and blue states are the liberal ones

00:49:25.520 because this is always a pet peeve of mine.

00:49:27.660 It always is a pet peeve of mine.

00:49:29.400 You should flip it and run it back.

00:49:30.440 Blue is the conservative color everywhere else

00:49:32.620 and it's also a better color 0.74

00:49:34.360 and we should have had blue

00:49:36.560 and I'm annoyed we didn't get it.

00:49:37.540 I actually made that observation

00:49:38.740 in the SBLC op-ed that I wrote this week.

00:49:41.600 I was like, hate crime map for SBLC.

00:49:43.720 It's red, like hate,

00:49:45.700 and the Republican Party. 0.72

00:49:47.180 And the Bolsheviks, and the red flag, 0.73

00:49:49.280 the song they sing. 0.92

00:49:50.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:51.060 All right.

00:49:51.580 I would just like,

00:49:52.660 my last take on this is that

00:49:54.560 I don't get good vibes from Mr. Beast.

00:49:59.120 He gives me Blippi vibes. 0.99

00:50:01.020 Tyler knows how I feel about Blippi.

00:50:02.500 and just doesn't have good energy.

00:50:08.060 I don't think he's a net positive out there.

00:50:11.480 And, yeah, just overtly pagan.

00:50:13.480 I like the intrigue that he injects into all the videos that he does.

00:50:23.880 But I think it's super entertaining.

00:50:25.920 So he's definitely talented. 1.00

00:50:27.460 I don't think he's Blippi. 1.00

00:50:29.800 Blippi would probably push the red button, by the way. 0.82

00:50:32.500 Jack, let's go to the other story of the day, and that would be Michael Jackson.

00:50:38.800 Because apparently I was wrong.

00:50:40.080 I was under the impression that MJ was like, that we all assumed he was guilty.

00:50:45.800 You just assumed he was guilty?

00:50:47.220 You believed the lying fake news media?

00:50:49.000 Assumed he was guilty even though the jury said he wasn't.

00:50:50.340 Yeah, totally.

00:50:51.020 I mean, for real.

00:50:51.820 Like, I'll own it completely.

00:50:53.440 I just kind of have been walking around.

00:50:54.980 You thought Michael Jackson was a pedophile just because.

00:50:58.760 We should present the topic.

00:50:59.980 I would just like to know.

00:51:01.500 Andrew thinks Michael Jackson is a pedophile just because Michael Jackson talked like a high pitched voice and would invite children over to his house where he had a roller coaster and he would have sleepovers with them in his room where they would sleep in the same bed.

00:51:17.580 And he would do it.

00:51:18.320 You think he was a pedophile just because he did that?

00:51:20.260 Andrew, I'm really disappointed in you.

00:51:21.600 Well, OK, let's.

00:51:23.540 So, so, hold on, guys, guys, set the premise as usual, like that we usually do when we change topics.

00:51:29.660 context here is that so michael is a new movie that's come out a biopic as andrew likes to say

00:51:36.660 biopic um is it just leave me alone last week all right yeah no you're not living that down

00:51:44.280 so what are the wait jack jack what are the uh what are the ratings on rotten tomatoes you sent

00:51:49.220 me this it's like well well so it's it's currently that i was gonna say it's currently the number one

00:51:53.320 movie in the entire world rotten tomatoes was trashing it um russ is like our rotten tomatoes

00:52:00.180 guru so i think he probably has the actual numbers but it was one of those ones where it's like

00:52:03.560 the critics are trashing it and the audience loves it yeah i mean that that happens a lot i feel like

00:52:08.820 that happens that happens more than anything popular at this point it's actually kind of

00:52:14.020 funny because i've seen over the last year like couple years now rotten tomatoes people are just

00:52:19.320 It's like nobody listens to Rotten Tomatoes anymore.

00:52:21.280 Nobody listens to Screen Rant anymore, and it's kind of funny to watch.

00:52:26.160 The IMDb rating is 7.7 out of 10.

00:52:29.120 Yeah.

00:52:29.840 Rotten Tomatoes is at 38%. 0.74

00:52:32.120 Yeah, that's ridiculous.

00:52:32.840 So, Jack, they did not include any of the allegations of pedophilia against Michael Jackson in the film.

00:52:40.620 Isn't that the big controversy here?

00:52:42.720 Yeah.

00:52:43.020 So the controversy – well, there's – actually, yeah.

00:52:46.380 I mean, just, yeah, it's that the easiest way to sum it up is that.

00:52:49.220 Yes.

00:52:49.780 So they cut the movie because the family was involved with creating the movie.

00:52:54.980 And so they say, oh, the family is, you know, too much control, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:59.800 But it's like, well, if they're putting up money and they're involved in the movie, then

00:53:02.540 why wouldn't they have any control? 0.51

00:53:04.500 I mean, it's kind of a silly argument.

00:53:05.540 But but they were saying that you can't like you're not allowed to like this movie because

00:53:09.780 it wasn't a critical enough lens on Michael Jackson.

00:53:13.040 and the uh yeah oh angelo um you know angelo says uh he rotten tomatoes is still good just do the

00:53:23.300 opposite of what because because to jack's point what the critics say yeah yeah because to jack's

00:53:27.900 point the audience scores a 97 dang so it's like well it's a well done story there are still

00:53:34.560 occasions where the where the you know the ratings are the same but i don't i don't want to derail

00:53:38.700 this but so i wanted to take this in another direction because obviously the the audience

00:53:44.420 is like we don't care we like michael jackson and we love the songs and there is a jukebox

00:53:50.680 um you know kind of element to this where it's like there's a lot of recreations of him

00:53:56.100 performing you know also when he's you know younger with the jackson five and then when

00:54:00.000 he's older in his solo career um you know the first moonwalk like the first time he played

00:54:04.660 billy jean or you know it ends with the bad tour and he's going up on stage the thriller um movie

00:54:11.280 music video sequence when they're doing like the short film etc is in there and you know the

00:54:18.240 audience is like we don't care but i i want to do i actually was like guys let's do this and so i

00:54:24.080 kind of leroy jenkins did um on on twitter this week and i'm like i'm just gonna come out and say

00:54:30.140 i don't i don't ever think that michael jackson was guilty i've never thought this in my entire

00:54:35.320 life i followed um many of the cases um you know as in real time as they were live and it's i'm

00:54:43.320 sorry it just never passed okay i'm curious tyler did you think did did you just sort of like assume

00:54:49.760 he was guilty yeah i grew up thinking that for sure blake you did it never i mean i'm not a

00:54:57.160 obsessive true crime junkie and i will admit with as they say where there's smoke there's fire and

00:55:02.140 it's like a gigantic smoke machine just constantly spewing fumes and yet i will say i i think with

00:55:09.400 michael what stands out is michael jackson is actually so weird and the fact pattern around

00:55:14.680 is so strange i'm much more open to the defense which is he's not a molester he actually is just

00:55:21.840 a weirdo and yeah what stands out in this as well as some other high profile cases where people were

00:55:28.060 assumed guilty and then it was walked back is a lot of the people until they actually had a very

00:55:34.760 strong financial incentive to claim otherwise said nothing happened and so they'll come out and

00:55:39.260 they'll say oh this person who was around all the time says michael molested him oh by the way he

00:55:43.720 wants 25 million dollars yeah uh caboose made a good point he said i assumed he was guilty after

00:55:48.920 that leaving neverland doc and i think that was kind of a big turning point for yeah i was gonna

00:55:53.320 yeah i assume he was i assumed he was guilty just based off of growing up yeah that documentary

00:55:58.860 though has been like really really criticized in terms of like did so many things in terms of stuff

00:56:08.140 they pulled out i mean it's basically like a true crime podcast about michael jackson falling into

00:56:13.460 the same lies and half truths and misrepresentations that pretty much all of the true crime genre

00:56:20.880 uh is uh is known for because what was that yeah i was gonna say what was that one uh about the

00:56:26.220 the guy in wisconsin the the killer uh making a murderer yeah that one was like so compelling if

00:56:34.300 that's all you watched that this guy was innocent but then there was there was like a whole other

00:56:38.880 side of the story that wasn't covered um yeah so scott adams actually talked about um uh what's

00:56:45.760 it called uh leaving neverland right um i keep want to say finding neverland because that's the

00:56:50.200 other uh movie about how uh the peter pan series was created but yeah it's a really good movie

00:56:55.960 actually um but the the line was um that scott adams said years ago i guess when he had watched

00:57:03.480 this was that you have to beware the documentary effect and when he said the documentary effect

00:57:08.580 is this, that when you watch a documentary, typically they take one side of the story and

00:57:13.820 they just ride that side all the way home rather than giving you a, you know, a two-sided view on

00:57:20.980 things. And typically those are more popular and those get a lot of clicks and a lot of views.

00:57:28.500 And then, you know, and they're very persuasive, but you could then go and watch a counter

00:57:33.800 documentary right after that and be just as persuaded like andrew like you were saying about 0.96

00:57:38.780 the the make of a murderer that actually that documentary was full of crap because there's a

00:57:43.440 whole bunch of information they didn't include and i'll actually give you guys a great example

00:57:46.880 of this that i just know about um from my own life do you guys remember tiger king yeah yeah

00:57:52.160 you don't i didn't watch it i've never you're aware i know it exactly i said do you remember

00:57:58.000 it i didn't say if you watch it i said you remember it was like a cultural phenomenon

00:58:00.960 is that like a covid one yes that's the thing everybody watched it right everyone else was

00:58:08.920 everyone was watching it during covid i did not know it existed for several months after the big

00:58:13.660 meme i was totally out of the loop and instead i was reading a bunch of books i read i read a

00:58:19.120 bunch of spy novels in the spring of covid but see okay okay okay but but point being is everybody

00:58:24.740 watched tiger king it was a huge cultural phenomenon and everybody thought like this

00:58:28.120 guy shouldn't have been in jail and that carl bassett killed her husband and they thought all

00:58:33.100 these terrible things right well i actually happened to be in oklahoma in 2020 later on and

00:58:41.260 i said um with the guys i was with uh for a reporting for oan at the time i was like hey

00:58:46.500 we should actually check out the joe exotic you know tiger place and see what it's actually like

00:58:51.820 and i gotta tell you guys when i got there i did not realize how small it was um and i did not

00:58:58.520 realize that like he was keeping those tigers and whatever they did with that documentary to make

00:59:04.380 each of the pens and enclosures look so much bigger it's just it was all fake um these things

00:59:11.000 were actually really small tigers were being kept in closures that were like smaller than a closet

00:59:15.100 where they some of them were so small they couldn't even stand up all the way and i'm sitting

00:59:19.720 there going like

00:59:20.460 yeah Carol Baskins has a point man

00:59:23.840 Carol Baskins totally has a point

00:59:25.580 and I felt like Netflix totally lied

00:59:27.860 to me about that

00:59:28.540 Carol Baskins like those were not 0.99

00:59:31.620 good conditions for big cats 0.96

00:59:33.400 like Florida was Florida

00:59:35.640 a part of this story or is

00:59:36.680 I think anything involving people collecting

00:59:38.840 Carol Baskins was for

00:59:40.640 I think any story involving people collecting and raising

00:59:43.580 tigers and other exotic animals is

00:59:45.560 spiritually Floridian regardless

00:59:47.460 of where it takes place

00:59:49.640 okay am i weird for kind of just getting weirded out by zoos in general i mean i go to them with

00:59:55.240 my kids but like there's a part of me where i'm just like this makes me sad yeah you know what

01:00:00.160 i mean like i mean it's like animals they should be able to see animals at the zoo i know i sometimes

01:00:04.020 feel that way about house pets before we before we go too off of this though there there is still

01:00:09.720 this like huge and i don't want to go through like every claim against uh michael jackson that's

01:00:15.300 been made etc etc that that you know it's he settled the first one in 93 and thinking that

01:00:25.160 oh if i just pay to make this go away that like the story will go away but unfortunately when he

01:00:30.040 paid that that kind of made the story bigger because people are saying oh he paid because

01:00:34.900 he did something yeah as opposed to him thinking oh if i throw money at this it's going to go away

01:00:39.100 So then other accusers came out and eventually it led to actually charges in Andrew, as you

01:00:46.700 should know, in Santa Barbara.

01:00:48.480 I think one of the whole case that, you know, probably took place while you were there.

01:00:52.480 I take that.

01:00:53.660 Something Angelo pointed out that I found interesting.

01:00:57.420 It's just it's worth remembering.

01:00:58.560 This is one of the this is kind of the first big child sexual abuse scandals involving

01:01:04.260 a celebrity or really just making it a big story in general, because.

01:01:07.640 and so as a result it sets the template that we've seen and so as an example

01:01:13.160 michael really was the kind of guy who yeah he would try to pay people to make it go away and

01:01:18.480 i think today there'd be a lot more awareness that oh paying someone 10 million dollars is 100

01:01:24.140 going to like make me look guilty and that wasn't the way he would think about it in the early 90s

01:01:30.340 this is before the internet this is before we have super refined advanced lawsuit culture

01:01:35.380 and so yeah he fell into that trap of thinking that that would work because it was an earlier

01:01:41.060 time and so people run with this drax more accusers yeah to your point this was like

01:01:47.040 i don't know if it was exactly concurrent but right around the same time as like the oj trial

01:01:51.900 so this was sort of the rise of your tabloid culture um this is what the kardash that's what

01:01:57.220 the kardashians came from obviously um being that their father was one of oj's lawyers and

01:02:02.880 was like possibly intimately aware of the case which uh we should probably get into at some

01:02:07.560 point but it was it was right around that time that tabloids were just having a feeding frenzy

01:02:12.600 and they sicked all of them on michael jackson and so people have been saying that uh yeah and

01:02:18.480 to angela's point this was like the first cancel culture it was like the first iteration of cancel

01:02:22.680 culture to say oh my gosh we can get this guy and so you know so is the theory but is the theory

01:02:29.220 is the theory that so he does the settlement and then he goes on oprah becomes even bigger or

01:02:34.180 whatever and then all these other people came out of the woodwork because they may have had some

01:02:38.740 connection to michael and they were just completely motivated by money and that's why there was i think

01:02:44.200 there's a lot of that and i think the also well the parents there's like a yeah the parents and

01:02:49.480 there's like a the the sort of cancel culture also this weird let's call it what it is sort

01:02:54.100 of bully siding of of michael i remember it was just the biggest running joke in the world that

01:02:59.840 he you know for example he had the white skin and a lot of people thought oh he might have bleached

01:03:04.500 it he might have been all that was the big rumor and the really sad thing is is it appears to be

01:03:08.100 genuinely the case he just had a bad medical condition that you know was turning his skin

01:03:12.660 but he also he also had all the nose work it's it's it's vitiligo something like that and then

01:03:18.720 a reason he would make his skin white is basically you either look like a splotchy disaster or you

01:03:22.920 make your skin as white as the whitest parts on it yeah there's there's a couple photos you can

01:03:26.760 find of of him i don't know if we want to look for on but where you can see that so when he's

01:03:32.320 younger this is why he wore the glove by the way um because when he was younger it started in his

01:03:37.080 hands first and so he wore the one glove because his one hand was turning white that's why he wore

01:03:43.920 the glove and he was like when i put this on then later it was like the fingertips so that's why

01:03:48.120 you'll see uh pictures with him and he has like the tape over the fingertips you know he turned

01:03:53.440 it into this like fashion statement and it was actually like you know obviously very iconic

01:03:57.140 but it was because of this skin disorder but then later in life he ended up getting um so

01:04:04.600 like so white in terms of the skin color that you can see blotches of like dark like brown blotches

01:04:11.660 on his arms and stuff where the rest of it is just naturally pale and to your point like it's 0.54

01:04:16.760 actually very sad and that's why he had to um you know wear um or you know have like uh umbrellas

01:04:22.360 when he went out and things like that he couldn't even go into the sun so i still remember i actually

01:04:29.300 weirdly enough i remember my mom watching that oprah interview she was always watching oprah

01:04:34.940 and so i was all like my brother and i would always catch like whatever oprah interview that

01:04:39.620 she had on and i still remember when a couple of the ones that she had michael on i i see some of

01:04:46.140 the people in the chat are saying i remember when michael's hair burnt during a pepsi ad i'm sort of

01:04:50.220 like these vague that's in the movie oh is it okay yeah yeah they do a huge thing in that in the movie

01:04:55.900 it is like like they show it's graphic they show everything so there's two graphic scenes for

01:05:00.820 anyone who's seen the movie um the one is there's one scene where they definitely show him getting

01:05:05.720 whipped uh belt whipped by his dad um which is you know pretty well known that he was uh that

01:05:12.040 he was beaten father was abusive and many people say this is kind of the reason for his later

01:05:17.760 behavior in life that he just sort of had this stunted childhood he had the physical abuse in

01:05:22.460 childhood also something that people don't know is that his dad would book the jackson five to

01:05:26.880 play in strip clubs in addition to other places so he was present you know as a young kid you know

01:05:33.680 10 years old and he's being put in these strip clubs and so for you know some of the later

01:05:39.260 behavior to blake's point which which is obviously you know abnormal it it's it's it's more of this

01:05:45.380 like childlike uh you know psychology that you know comes from a lot of this child abuse it's

01:05:52.900 like a rest it's like a rest development literally i think it's i think it's so and then the other

01:05:56.540 the other uh physical scene is that they they show his hair setting getting set on fire and i didn't

01:06:01.900 realize that he had an entire patch of the back of his head like basically just burned off and they

01:06:07.700 told him that you're never going to be able to grow skin back there again you never get your

01:06:11.720 hair back and then there's a scene where you know obviously foreshadowing where the doctor says

01:06:16.780 hey i can prescribe you these painkillers you're going to need them so that's ultimately what i'm

01:06:22.820 killing him and that's kind of well it's yeah it's like what's that on the path right well the

01:06:27.620 doctor got the doctor killed him got involuntary manslaughter by the way he was convicted like

01:06:31.620 growing up i think it's so interesting that specifically around michael jackson like i

01:06:36.380 remember growing up and like the narrative was that he hated his skin color and was trying to

01:06:42.300 become white yeah and he was bleaching his skin yeah and then he was trying to look more white

01:06:45.820 which is why i got all the nose jobs yeah and then now you could like now you start to realize

01:06:49.780 like there was actual like he had actual like like stuff that was going on and then he had uh

01:06:55.420 there was a joke the word it's called my dad had a vitroago or whatever my dad had a favorite line

01:07:00.340 uh that he would repeat i can't imagine he came up with it originally yeah the joke was uh only 0.85

01:07:04.600 an American you'd be can you be born a poor black boy and die a rich white woman I think I've heard

01:07:10.260 but no I thought I thought that was such an interesting that joke was around a lot that was

01:07:13.960 yeah I definitely heard that before having gotten older and like actually looking into the case I

01:07:18.380 thought that was always really just fascinating how he was always pretty quiet about it like he

01:07:22.420 didn't really weigh in and set the record straight too much I think Michael Jackson that's that's

01:07:29.240 possibly would have been a better Pete like from a PR strategy you know to kind of like maybe

01:07:34.500 just have somebody go out and talk about that right and maybe these days that might be more

01:07:38.660 what someone would do right i think that i mean you look at the last 40 years in american pop

01:07:45.060 culture i mean the guys who have become mega mega superstars madonna britney spears you could put

01:07:55.040 kanye in there uh michael jackson they've all had like horrifically bad stuff happen to them

01:08:03.420 because I think the amount of pressure

01:08:05.660 and mental fatigue that is created

01:08:07.820 by creating icons like these people

01:08:09.860 I mean Elvis

01:08:11.360 destroys them

01:08:12.780 I mean if drugs doesn't get you

01:08:14.480 yeah but to your point

01:08:15.960 Elvis was pushed there

01:08:18.360 a lot of these guys

01:08:20.300 and a lot of those people die early deaths

01:08:22.740 because of drugs and partying

01:08:24.240 that's a different category of person in my mind

01:08:26.840 the person that I'm looking at

01:08:29.020 is the person that's surrounded by so many people

01:08:31.280 constantly

01:08:31.880 and is made into like this almost like godlike pop culture figure and they like no human being

01:08:39.740 is capable of like i don't think i don't think anyone really is capable of over overcoming that

01:08:45.700 situation and i think i actually michael jackson to me you know he's probably a weird guy that was

01:08:52.000 created in that in that light in that vein but i kind of feel bad like me for me like i kind of feel

01:08:57.840 bad for michael jackson in the same way that i kind of feel bad for kanye west yeah but unless

01:09:02.860 he actually did did a little kid no no i i know and that's like the caveat right like of course

01:09:08.200 like if he's if he's a criminal but if he's not a true criminal he's just a weird person that

01:09:12.260 like said weird things and was weird around people and did and like kind of screwed like

01:09:17.540 screwed up at like at the worst possible moments and didn't handle those things correctly yeah

01:09:22.200 Like, again, I think Kanye West is actually the most similar person

01:09:26.320 in modern culture to that, not in the exact same personality type way,

01:09:31.480 but in the way it's like there's nothing that he could do.

01:09:35.880 He was kind of crafted into this social pressure situation. 1.00

01:09:40.100 Of course, he's said and done some things that are really stupid 1.00

01:09:42.860 and made him look really bad, 1.00

01:09:46.520 but there was no win for him to come out of that.

01:09:49.380 And I kind of feel that way about Michael Jackson.

01:09:52.260 Fawz has a good, interesting timeline.

01:09:54.580 So he does the Oprah interview.

01:09:56.400 What did you say?

01:09:57.820 It was the 14-year silence.

01:10:00.220 So no interviews, just his music.

01:10:02.360 Let's not speak for itself.

01:10:03.580 Six months later comes the first accusation.

01:10:07.600 And so Fawz is saying because he looked weak.

01:10:10.180 So people thought they could take advantage.

01:10:11.700 90 million people watched it.

01:10:13.020 90 million people watched it.

01:10:14.700 That's interesting.

01:10:15.720 Wow.

01:10:15.940 that's that's an interesting that's an interesting insight wow no and that's what i'm saying though

01:10:21.940 it was like the oj trial in the sense that it because this this was the era of three six and

01:10:28.640 ten and you know there were there were only a couple of channels so everybody watched them like

01:10:34.180 it's it's hard to explain how big oprah was back then and how big just broadcast tv was because

01:10:42.080 that's all you had there was nothing else so that that's why we had a monoculture in the 90s for

01:10:48.720 many reasons that's why we had so many of these things because everybody was centered around

01:10:55.680 television and there's there's like a bigger media story here as well and michael jackson

01:11:00.700 dominated on television there's no question and and then eventually mtv which gave rise to that

01:11:06.580 and so this none of this is in the film by the way so the film stops right you know i want to

01:11:12.460 say like 1989 1988 give or give or take so it stops right before the 90s when all all of like

01:11:18.900 this happens where he gets propelled into like insane levels of superstardom but also that you

01:11:26.120 know these these hits start coming but it does i think for a lot of people it resets the narrative

01:11:32.080 on michael jackson by going all the way back to when he's a kid showing that he did have this

01:11:37.520 abusive childhood showing that when you know when he talked about hey i had this neverland because i

01:11:42.700 wanted to recreate my lost childhood that which which is a huge piece right so they show him like

01:11:47.360 reading peter pan when he's a kid and then eventually gets bubbles the monkey and he's

01:11:51.840 like reading it to bubbles and as he gets older he's like talking about it over and over of him

01:11:56.240 trying to find neverland that you know the land where you never grow up and then eventually he

01:12:01.280 creates it himself and i should just say this while we're on here that uh you know macaulay

01:12:06.460 culkin macaulay culkin who was famously friends with him at the time has always defended him has

01:12:13.420 always publicly defended him and i believe testified on his behalf under oath that you

01:12:19.140 know he was there and nothing ever happened all right but jack thought crime uh-oh thought crime

01:12:25.300 What if Macaulay Culkin was guilty?

01:12:28.660 Yeah.

01:12:29.320 What about that, Jack?

01:12:30.320 No.

01:12:30.660 No, he was a kid.

01:12:31.640 Two childhood stars bonding in their weirdness.

01:12:35.340 A kid who I will know is capable of building a well-engineered trap engine.

01:12:40.600 Trap house.

01:12:41.140 To, like, take out adult men whom he, like, tortures with blow torches and stuff.

01:12:46.500 Yeah.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, totally normal kid.

01:12:48.100 And micro machines and broken Christmas ornaments.

01:12:52.460 Yeah.

01:12:52.760 You know.

01:12:53.200 Yeah.

01:12:54.080 Come on now.

01:12:54.500 No, I almost wonder, I would even go so far, and I tweeted something about this earlier this week where I said, you know, in a way, and what I was getting at was that I wonder if Michael was trying to reach out to, you know, child stars like a Macaulay Culkin to say, hey, you're blowing up the same way I did when I was a kid, but maybe I can get you out of those bad situations that I was in.

01:13:19.520 and like, here's a place you can come where none of that stuff is going to

01:13:22.760 happen and they can't get to you from here. And,

01:13:25.560 and let me try to get you off of that train because, you know, go,

01:13:30.140 go look at some of the other nineties kid stars. My gosh, you know,

01:13:33.860 you could go down the list of you know,

01:13:37.000 like Lindsay Lohan and others that were, you know, just, just Amanda Bynes.

01:13:41.440 Amanda Bynes. That's who I was thinking.

01:13:43.300 So many problems that happens that of,

01:13:47.660 of child stars from from pretty much the same era or just a little bit thereafter now ariana 1.00

01:13:52.420 grande is going down that before before you know she's crazy okay she was on the same show right

01:13:59.140 wasn't wasn't ariana grande also on a nickelodeon show she was on a nickelodeon show yeah um hey

01:14:04.420 guys we're running out of time here well before we run out of time did you know that there's a

01:14:08.440 michael jackson arcade game where you have to save children from like pedophile looking dudes

01:14:13.320 is there really yes there is let's throw it up let's let's throw up that image i posted in

01:14:17.300 let me let me move it over to production uh this is a real a real image from it it's a really small

01:14:24.180 literally moonwalker yeah it's called michael jackson's moonwalker is great every single level

01:14:28.780 you have to there's a bunch of kids they've been abducted by these fat middle-aged looking white

01:14:33.700 guys who are like creepy looking and you have to beat up those guys and rescue the kids and when

01:14:38.320 you when you touch when you touch the kids in the game you walk over them they'll be like thank you 0.91

01:14:43.020 mj you save them yeah yeah you save you save the kids so it's like a big joke the sega version of

01:14:48.580 this a lot the ending the ending screen of this game says what about the children that he saved

01:14:54.680 well they're smiling because deep down in their hearts they know that michael will return one day

01:15:00.280 to share with them another wondrous and magical adventure that's disgusting all right um all right

01:15:06.340 so last thing last thing we're all gonna try and watch animal farm i believe this is the last thing

01:15:11.480 and then we'll go.

01:15:13.460 Well, yeah, but we're going to review it next week.

01:15:16.740 Yeah, we're going to review it next week.

01:15:18.440 I don't believe in trashing a movie before I see it.

01:15:20.980 No, I'm not going to trash it.

01:15:22.340 And so here's what I will say.

01:15:24.260 I called because we've worked with Angel Studios for years.

01:15:29.000 The Guild approves all the projects.

01:15:31.180 So you have to green light it with the Guild.

01:15:32.320 The Guild voted for it, which is interesting.

01:15:34.000 And like a lot of our audience are members.

01:15:36.540 They didn't make it.

01:15:37.480 They distributed it.

01:15:38.360 And by the way, I'm told Seth Rogen will not promote the film once Angel got involved, which is fascinating.

01:15:47.480 Which makes sense with being Seth Rogen.

01:15:49.660 Yeah, okay.

01:15:50.140 So Angel Studios is distributing it, but they didn't make it.

01:15:54.000 Correct.

01:15:54.520 Right.

01:15:55.100 So the other thing I found out, though, is that they did tweak the ending a little bit to like, I guess, in an attempt to make it a little bit more thematically with what the original was.

01:16:05.960 I think they want to make it half the year or something.

01:16:07.800 What's the controversy?

01:16:08.880 The controversy is that it is actually a critique on capitalism,

01:16:12.500 where the original is a critique on communism.

01:16:16.060 So they flipped the roles.

01:16:18.420 But I'm told that the Guild voted for it because there was an assumption

01:16:24.300 that it was a critique on just corruption in general.

01:16:28.340 But I'm not going to...

01:16:29.380 Well, I'll have to see it.

01:16:30.120 I'll have to see it.

01:16:31.280 And I've read Animal Farm relatively recently.

01:16:34.920 Yeah, I mean, I've read the book.

01:16:36.420 I don't even know how many times.

01:16:37.580 i mean it's it's so great yeah well i'm just saying i mean no russ it's real short like you

01:16:41.960 could literally read it no i read it i read it all four years in high school i don't know

01:16:45.720 as a homeschooler sometimes they're like yeah they're like hey there's nothing better yeah

01:16:50.100 so i read it four times um yeah yeah we're gonna watch it at the yes we will i'll get a screener

01:16:57.980 for the team so i literally i heard we're gonna talk about this and i was like you know what what

01:17:02.980 is it all i know is that uh angel studio does a lot of good stuff can they miss sometimes absolutely

01:17:09.320 i'm gonna go into this with an open mind and if if they missed and it is like a crap movie that

01:17:14.920 totally bastardized it like a lot of people are saying i will be the first to admit it i'm

01:17:19.640 interested but i also don't think you know listen it's just you gotta have a little creative license

01:17:23.880 in this in this business and they probably missed on this but i don't know we'll see i will i will

01:17:28.100 go into it with open with open eyes um i have you know i i like to come as as everybody knows i like

01:17:35.240 to have my own opinion on on things especially films and you know i i don't always overtly he's

01:17:42.420 often wrong on films wait wait we can overtly capitalist all at all at two times speed um

01:17:50.580 i think oh yeah oh everything at 2x why why would you waste time yeah exactly uh all right so we are

01:17:56.280 going to give you a review of animal farm because it's been a big kerfuffle tim pool has been very

01:18:01.160 upset about uh this adaptation uh of the of the film and we'll see if he's right i haven't watched

01:18:06.440 the screen yet and in in fairness i will say i did try to track down russ and i were uh chatting

01:18:11.780 about this this week we tried to track down like an advanced screener of it weren't able to get one

01:18:16.820 so we will we will have to wait and report back yeah apparently the guy that directed it is like

01:18:23.080 pretty left. Andy Serkis.

01:18:25.340 Call him.

01:18:26.840 The star of Lord of the Rings is super

01:18:29.060 left. He's not a star.

01:18:30.160 So the star of Lord of the Rings is super left.

01:18:33.340 Sorry, I can't hear you, Jack.

01:18:35.040 I can't hear you.

01:18:36.020 Amazing music.

01:18:38.860 It's really drowning it out.

01:18:40.460 So the main guy from Lord of the Rings is super to the left.

01:18:43.120 Wow, that's crazy. And he's ruining

01:18:44.300 a famous anti-communism story.

01:18:46.420 The main guy. 1.00

01:18:47.980 I wonder how gay Animal Farm 1.00

01:18:50.760 is going to be. Oh, no. 1.00

01:18:52.020 I need to get off of this show

01:18:53.960 alright that wraps us up

01:18:57.360 Jack it's been a good show

01:18:59.440 you want to take us home

01:19:00.200 ladies and gentlemen

01:19:02.940 go out there and commit more 1.00

01:19:05.380 thought crime

01:19:06.700 it's sometime in the future

01:19:09.320 the ultimate challenge

01:19:11.900 crossfire

01:19:13.820 crossfire

01:19:17.360 crossfire

01:19:20.540 Crossfire!

01:19:22.540 Crossfire!

01:19:24.540 You get caught up in it!

01:19:26.540 Crossfire!

01:19:28.540 Crossfire!

01:19:30.540 Crossfire!

01:19:32.540 Crossfire!

01:19:34.540 You get caught up in it!

01:19:38.540 Thought crying is death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 04, 2026

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