Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 13 — Willard Romney's Revenge？ Dems Legitimizing Prostitution？ Oliver The Fake？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again for this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:04.580 Tonight's topics for myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang. The end of Romney, an elegy for Pierre

00:00:11.740 D'Alecto. The indictment of Hunter Biden. Why is it coming right now? What does it really mean?

00:00:18.140 This Virginia Democrat hooker candidate, the hot wifing experience. And finally,

00:00:24.860 Oliver Anthony cancels a show, but didn't disclose how much he was getting paid. We're

00:00:32.260 going to get into this and more. Ladies and gentlemen, get ready to commit thought crime.

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00:00:54.860 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to tonight's edition. This week's edition of thought crime.

00:01:08.240 Are you ready to commit thought crime? Because we've got a lot. Let's go around the horn. I'm

00:01:14.060 not even sure because we've got a lot of craziness going on right now. Who's who do we have? We have

00:01:19.460 Blake. Blake, you're I'm in D.C. Blake, you're in Phoenix, right? What's up, Blake?

00:01:24.860 All right, guys, if you want to just open up Mike's Blake's mic in my ear so I can hear him

00:01:33.340 at some point, that'd be really, really cool. Super appreciate that. Blake, you there?

00:01:37.940 Can you hear me? I'm here. Can you can you hear me, Jack? There we go. Now I got Blake. Now

00:01:42.240 I got Blake. And I think I heard Andrew as well. You probably did. That's right. Andrew's Andrew's

00:01:47.560 in Santa Barbara because he because, you know, he just has his West Coast bias. He's doing West

00:01:52.580 Coast bias. What's up, Colvat? I'm I'm doing well. Thanks, Jack. How about yourself? How's

00:01:57.800 the swamp? Oh, the swamp is just delightful. We have a massive note, though. Our gas prices

00:02:04.460 up here are spiking just as much as yours are now. Not we're not nearly as high. But the

00:02:09.300 spike that we've seen just over the last week has been insane. Our gas prices are up almost

00:02:13.440 a full dollar here since last week. Almost. And I was in California about a week ago. And

00:02:19.920 I think are you guys hitting about six, almost six dollars a gallon right now?

00:02:24.140 Yeah, we are. Yeah. It's about five. How do you do it? I mean, honestly, Santa Barbara's

00:02:31.940 a small town, so we don't drive a whole bunch. So we don't feel it as much as probably like,

00:02:36.520 you know, our Los Angeles friends. But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, California is

00:02:41.660 and actually this this includes Arizona, Nevada. I believe Washington and Oregon are considered

00:02:47.020 the same sort of gas island. So they are is it has to do with where the oil comes from.

00:02:55.660 It has to do with where they're getting refined. California has all these special

00:02:59.240 additives and regulations that the refineries, these these benchmarks that refineries need

00:03:06.320 to hit. So it can only come from certain refineries. So it limits the supply even more. It's a whole

00:03:11.800 problem. But all right. And then so I don't actually feel it. So Charlie will be here in

00:03:19.720 a little bit. He's at the pastor summit right now. He's dealing with some stuff. He's taking

00:03:24.640 care of business on assignment, of course, for Turning Point USA, the faith coalition.

00:03:29.260 But we're here. We're going to hold down the fort until Charlie returns. So shoot us your

00:03:33.960 emails. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Let's get into the first topic here. This one, I think

00:03:38.780 we've all talked about it, but we haven't all mentioned it together. This one, the the

00:03:43.360 revenge or should we say the elegy for Willard Romney, Willard Mitt Romney has announced he's

00:03:50.540 quitting the Senate total rage quit right before the 2024 election. So he's going to serve out

00:03:57.460 the remainder of his term. And of course, as befits his character, he's riding off into the sunset

00:04:03.580 by having the globalists at the Atlantic publish a completely obnoxious, passive aggressive interview

00:04:10.240 trashing his colleagues, trashing Trump, trashing the GOP base. So what is the final word on the

00:04:16.420 GOP's 2012 standard bearer, the man who was the nominee for president in 2012? And Blake, I think you

00:04:24.720 actually have an excerpt from the from this article that's by McKay Coppins in the Atlantic.

00:04:30.540 Oh, well, yeah, exactly, Jack. It's it's amazing. So of course, he's everything about Romney is,

00:04:37.200 you know, the supposed like, you know, politeness and decorum and all the damage that Trump does to

00:04:41.320 our democracy by being all the last Boy Scout. Yeah, yeah, the last Boy Scout. So naturally,

00:04:45.400 what he does is he announces he's retiring. And then, you know, in perfect timing with it,

00:04:49.920 McKay Coppins has this biography that he's putting out. That's, you know, all about Romney and has all

00:04:55.860 these like data points in it. And he's basically just like Romney doing like a drive by shooting on

00:05:00.360 other members of the Republican Party as he leaves. Let's see, like one of the lines from

00:05:05.000 it. This is a summary as Axios summarizes it helpfully for us. Romney shares a unique disgust

00:05:12.520 for senators Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, who he thought were too smart to believe

00:05:18.580 Trump won the 2020 election, but quote, put politics above the interests of liberal democracy

00:05:24.480 and the Constitution. And then the even wilder one is for Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio. He says,

00:05:31.520 quote, I don't know that I can disrespect someone more than J.D. Vance. That is a direct quote from

00:05:38.320 Senator Romney describing Senator Vance, who he still has to, you know, share a Senate chamber with for

00:05:43.980 the next year before he actually quits. But, you know, J.D. Vance, I mean, can someone explain what

00:05:49.820 what is J.D. Vance done in his time in the Senate that's been so ill reputable? Does anyone have

00:05:57.160 what when he went to East Palestine and it seems it seems his crime is that went on there. I'm

00:06:02.600 trying to figure this out. It seems his crime is that, you know, J.D. Vance came out of Ohio. He

00:06:07.280 went to Yale, I believe it was. And then he was in finance and was, you know, and then wrote his

00:06:11.840 memoir, which was very well received. And he's this up and comer on the coast. And then I guess he moved

00:06:15.900 back to Ohio, started doing too many appearances on Tucker Carlson tonight. And like, according to

00:06:21.340 Romney, it was like the transformation was just was just too jarring. Like it was too, too much of a

00:06:26.400 transformation for for Mr. Romney, who himself has basically transmuted into this like Democrat,

00:06:32.840 I guess. But that doesn't count. This is an interesting. This is an interesting take on on

00:06:37.280 all of it. And Andrew, maybe you can give us a sense of it, because what I think that Romney's

00:06:42.360 really upset about here is that he's considering J.D. Vance a trash, a class traitor. He's calling

00:06:48.480 him a class traitor and saying, look, you're allowed to make money in finance. You're allowed

00:06:52.620 to make go to Yale. You're allowed to go to the great schools. But the one thing and you're certainly

00:06:56.300 allowed to run for the Senate. But the one thing you're not allowed to do is actually go out to the

00:07:00.880 people of your state, listen to the their interests and listen to their issues and then grow

00:07:07.080 and go and try to actually represent them in the United States Senate.

00:07:12.100 Well, this is this is I think class traitor. I think that's really smart framing, Jack,

00:07:17.420 because at some level, a lot of this is much more about vibe. It's much more about what

00:07:22.720 Mitt Romney thinks is classy versus gross or respectable versus, you know, essentially

00:07:31.020 untoward and beyond the pale. Right. So it's all based on his own little framework of

00:07:36.380 of class structure, of decorum, those sorts of things. So it says here in this, he says

00:07:40.860 he was also highly critical of Senator J.D. Vance, Republican of Ohio, who reinvented his

00:07:46.520 persona to become a Trump acolyte after publishing a bestselling memoir, Bill Billy

00:07:52.240 Elegy, about the working class that Romney loved. So Romney loved the book. So I at some

00:08:00.320 level, I think it was just like, so I love this book. And how can this guy then become like

00:08:04.280 a Trump bootlicker? Go ahead. Right. So I can explain it. There's there. And just real

00:08:09.660 quickly, it's kind of like because in the book, J.D. Vance's conclusions, I would say,

00:08:15.180 and I don't offer this as criticism. I just say it's sort of it's an evolution on J.D.

00:08:19.160 Vance's part because he sort of just says in the book, well, that that sort of that

00:08:23.700 blasé classic Republican line of, you know, and everybody just needs to pull themselves

00:08:29.160 up by their bootstraps. I can do it. So can you. And we should cut, you know, taxes for

00:08:34.340 big businesses. And the one percent pays most of the income tax. And that that's kind of

00:08:39.080 it. And then when he went to actually run for office and started really engaging with

00:08:44.960 people politically, that's when he shifted not socially. Right. But he shifted economically

00:08:51.620 to become more of a populist. Blake, what are you saying?

00:08:54.360 Well, it's what's so telling in this article is like some of the just the little specific

00:08:58.840 anecdotes that it does pick. And you I almost wonder if Coppins is like subtly trolling

00:09:03.840 Romney. Apparently Romney lives by himself and his family like in D.C.

00:09:08.800 It mentions let me get let me get the line here. It talks about his bat his pad that he lives

00:09:15.220 in. And it says the place had not been Romney's first choice for a Washington

00:09:19.520 residence. When he was elected in 2018, he'd had his eye on a newly remodeled condo at the

00:09:25.360 Watergate with glittering views of the Potomac. His wife Anne fell in love with the place, but

00:09:31.020 his soon to be staffers and colleagues warned him about the commute, which, by the way, it's

00:09:35.440 like a mile and a half to the capital. So he grudgingly chose practicality over luxury

00:09:41.200 and settled for the two point four million dollar townhouse instead. And then, of course,

00:09:47.580 this is not good enough for for Anne. So she never visits him when he's in D.C.

00:09:52.260 So it turns into a gross bachelor pad that has it mentions there's crumbs everywhere and

00:09:58.100 seltzer because, you know, you know, Mitt Romney would never he's he's very good.

00:10:02.040 He's a good goody two shoes Mormon. He's not going to crack open a Diet Coke.

00:10:04.980 That's not allowed. And so it's only going to be the seltzer water. And just all these

00:10:10.400 things. He goes after Vance. And one of the things that he criticizes Vance for is that

00:10:14.600 J.D. Vance called Indigenous Peoples Day a fake holiday. It is a fake holiday. It is

00:10:19.960 literally created as an alternative to Columbus Day because, well, Columbus Day is also kind

00:10:24.880 of a fake holiday. Sorry, Italians. But like to kvetch about that, excuse me, the man who

00:10:31.140 discovered the United States of America, that's not fake. That's amazing. That's glorious.

00:10:36.540 Whatever. The country was almost named after him and our capital is partly named after you

00:10:42.280 guys can debate that. Columbus Day is a great holiday. May it rain forever. But here's here's

00:10:47.960 what I will say is that his basic beef with J.D. Vance. And by the way, we we had J.D.

00:10:54.040 Vance on the show on Thursday and, you know, we didn't talk about it. I want to keep it classy,

00:10:58.560 whatever. You know, J.D. has like a whole like U.S. Steel thing. The EPA is coming after

00:11:03.220 U.S. Steel, going to tank the U.S. Steel industry. I mean, the guy's focused on real

00:11:07.820 stuff that affects real people. And if you get down to what his book was about, his book

00:11:11.960 was about, listen, all of these powers that be these greater powers that are, you know,

00:11:19.100 causing this massive drug addiction on ODs, whether that's the border or just the plight

00:11:25.920 of the Rust Belt and how there's no jobs and young men are looking for purpose and meeting

00:11:31.540 and things to do, but they don't. So they fall into drugs, whatever. A lot of that stuff was

00:11:37.140 railing against all of the issues that populism is sort of birthed out of. Right. So yes, J.D.

00:11:44.260 was once a critic of Trump. Yes. But like many on the conservative side that were formerly

00:11:50.100 never Trumpers, I mean, Katie Pavlich comes to mind, right? She was one of the signees

00:11:54.340 of that. Jack, you know this well. You sent me the cover of this 2015, 2016 never Trump

00:12:00.760 from National Review. You know, Katie Pavlich was one of these people. But now Katie Pavlich

00:12:05.620 became a defender of President Trump. This is not because when he actually got into office

00:12:11.900 and we saw the policies, we saw the blue collar boom that the top or the lowest 10 percent

00:12:17.720 were where their wages were going faster than the top 10 percent. Compare that to Joe Biden's

00:12:22.720 economy and not even a chance. Right. So he's basically mad that he thinks Vance sold out

00:12:29.500 to get elected. All right. There might have been some calculation with Vance to get elected.

00:12:33.780 But let us not forget this. Show image 99. Show 99. This image. Oh, yeah.

00:12:43.380 Yeah. Let's talk about sellouts. Let's talk about sellouts. There's even a better part

00:12:49.380 for the podcast audience. Tell us what we're looking at. Yeah. Go ahead, Blake. What are

00:12:55.920 we looking at? Oh, so the image we're looking at is, of course, you know, when Romney met

00:12:59.340 with Trump after the 2016 election, there was discussion he might be secretary of state,

00:13:04.180 I believe, was the office. And they had dinner in D.C. And of course, we have that immortal

00:13:08.300 photograph where it's, you know, Trump has probably the most impish grin we've ever had

00:13:13.760 Donald Trump give. And then that kind of Romney grimace. I think that that was 2016 in a nutshell.

00:13:19.820 Let's build it. This is when Romney December 2016. So this is December 2016 after he's already

00:13:25.940 won secretary of state. Yeah. He just you know, he kind of sucks up to him, doesn't get it. And

00:13:30.660 then, of course, you know, runs for Senate later on, like, I'm going to execute Trump's agenda.

00:13:34.400 But then I'm also going to vote to impeach him over a Ukraine phone call. But but I really want

00:13:39.520 to fixate on that phoniness thing, because there's another great part of this Atlantic profile,

00:13:43.660 where it talks about, you know, Romney considered, you know, this protest run for the presidency

00:13:48.920 in 2024. And then the reason he doesn't do it is because it might, you know, if he runs,

00:13:53.920 it might prevent a Democrat from winning. By the way, Romney's a Republican, allegedly.

00:13:57.800 And it says here, Romney relished the idea of running a presidential campaign in which he simply

00:14:03.860 said whatever he thought without regard for the political consequences. I must admit,

00:14:09.280 I'd love being on the stage with Donald Trump and just saying, that's stupid. Why are you saying

00:14:13.800 that? He nursed a fantasy in which he devoted an entire debate to asking Trump to explain why

00:14:19.120 in the early weeks of the pandemic, he'd suggested that Americans inject bleach as a treatment for

00:14:24.280 COVID-19, which Trump didn't actually do. But we'll set that aside for a moment. Let's get to the

00:14:29.720 thing. Romney, if you ran for president saying whatever you actually thought and saying,

00:14:34.640 that's stupid. Why did you say that? If you'd run like that in 2012, you probably would have become

00:14:38.440 president because that is literally what Donald Trump did in 2016. And it allowed him to become

00:14:43.880 president. He was, as you know, there was nothing fake about Trump. Trump was like pure id as a

00:14:50.300 candidate. And that is so much of what made him so magnetically appealing. And it's so hilarious to

00:14:56.140 read Mitt Romney complaining that he's like, why did, why is JD Vance such a fraud? Why is Josh

00:15:01.860 Hawley such a fraud? By the way, I wish I could run for president without being a huge fraud. Like

00:15:06.900 I was in 2012. Because, because think about it, right? He spent his entire life trying to achieve

00:15:13.700 his father's goal. So George Romney, who of course tried to run for, uh, tried to run for president,

00:15:19.600 failed former governor of Michigan, uh, tied into the auto industry very, very cutely. So

00:15:24.920 the idea was that Mitt Romney and what he's really lamenting here, think about it. This guy

00:15:31.860 has waited very much like Hillary Clinton, by the way, because all the way back to her sophomore year

00:15:36.260 of college, she knew she was going to be president when she's back at Weasalian. And, and Romney was

00:15:42.820 doing the exact same thing. He's been structuring and tailoring and being very careful about every

00:15:48.460 movie made and every, every step and every comment and every quote, even as little 47% that'll never

00:15:56.580 vote for me kind of quote, all of these things, all the way up trying to project the perfect image.

00:16:01.820 And then along comes a guy like Trump who throws all those quote unquote rules of the road out the

00:16:07.820 window and the people embrace him for it because they love the authenticity. Even if they don't always

00:16:13.600 agree with the things that he's saying, um, I think there's a sheer level of resentment there

00:16:19.580 that a guy can just come along and break all the rules and then achieve more success. Cause at the

00:16:25.480 end of the day, Mitt Romney at this point, okay, so he's a one-term governor of Massachusetts,

00:16:30.600 a one-term Senator of Utah, which last time I checked is a different state than Massachusetts

00:16:36.040 and a failed presidential candidate. Mitt, you're never going to be on the big list.

00:16:41.980 Willard. You're never going to be even on the VP list. You are going to be, you're not even going

00:16:47.480 to be a footnote. You're going to be a dingleberry to a footnote on history.

00:16:52.300 You know, Jack, I love that point because in this same article, it talks about how he got all these

00:16:57.400 private messages from senators like Mitch McConnell. Like I wish I could say exactly what you're saying.

00:17:02.780 That's, it shows that Mitt Romney is feeding this biographer lines to pump himself up. He's like,

00:17:11.540 I got all these text messages from these people saying they wish they could be as

00:17:15.120 unfettered in their criticism. So run as I am. And so run, let's do it. Yeah. So, but what's,

00:17:21.660 what the point you're making is that he resents Trump because Trump is unfettered in everything.

00:17:27.240 And now Mitt's trying to slide in there and be like, I'm the real, like, you know, truth teller here.

00:17:32.280 It's totally jealousy. It's total revenge. It's probably for being snubbed for not winning for

00:17:38.420 Trump winning and him not winning. He finds him a gross ogre that gets all the things that he,

00:17:43.020 that he really deserved. And it's just, it's just beautiful. But here, here's, here's the real

00:17:48.340 takeaway from this is that he's now saying, I'm not running. It's time for the old guard to get out

00:17:55.060 of the way. We need some new fresh blood. But if you look one level deeper, you then see reporting

00:18:00.400 that says he entertained a third party run as president, something he fantasizes about still,

00:18:06.120 but Blake and Jack, why did he not run? Because he realized it would help get Donald Trump elected.

00:18:15.660 That's the big bingo. That's it. The whole kit and caboodle is right there. He would rather not run

00:18:21.620 so that a Democrat can continue being in the white house than to allow a conservative populist

00:18:27.300 candidate like Donald Trump to, to oust the Democrats from power, which, and by the way,

00:18:34.180 we should probably, we should probably tie this into, and I, I've been talking about this for the

00:18:40.480 last two days now, but of course the Washington post finally catching up Joe Manchin weighing a run

00:18:46.120 for president as an independent. So right there, this is exactly what the no labels candidacy that

00:18:54.860 I know Charlie's been really banging the drum about, uh, was all about finding candidates like

00:19:00.540 a Manchin or a Romney to get in and then get on the ballot to hopefully, or possibly prevent Trump

00:19:07.680 from reaching that 270. We had Richard Barris on the program and he raised a pretty insightful point.

00:19:13.560 He said, if you do something like this, you run the risk of not hurting Trump, but actually hurting

00:19:20.560 Biden in key States that, yeah, and they may not be normally toss up States, but look at a state like

00:19:25.820 Minnesota that has very similar demographics to a Michigan or Wisconsin. If you, if you split the

00:19:33.580 Biden vote, if you split even any sizable portion of the Biden vote, then he got another Cornell West

00:19:39.140 who might be on the ballot as well. Trump could actually, or potentially expand his map and turn

00:19:47.100 those States that we think of as nominally blue into battleground States under this scenario.

00:19:53.520 And it's a great point. Uh, since Tyler's not here, he's made this point to us, uh, separately,

00:19:58.600 Tyler Bowyer. He's, uh, he's brought up like the biggest obstacle to this working is actually their

00:20:03.520 own vanity and that they can't really collaborate with each other. Cause he's pointed out the way you

00:20:08.300 could actually make it. So a state, um, it's like, let's say they wanted to run Romney for

00:20:14.600 president. The way you could make Romney actually damage Trump is you'd have to have Biden not running

00:20:19.660 Utah. You just be like, you're not going to win Utah. Don't even bother. And then you only have

00:20:23.940 Romney and Trump and you get every single Democrat to vote for Romney. And then maybe you get a few

00:20:29.140 crossover Republicans and maybe you upset in the state or on the flip side, maybe in, uh, you know,

00:20:35.500 you could do this in Minnesota or any number of States, but then you'd have to be like,

00:20:39.260 we are entirely running our campaign to stop Trump, which means we're deliberately running to try to

00:20:44.840 throw it to the house or something. Uh, and they just get, they can't collaborate to that degree to

00:20:49.860 pull it off. And instead you just get these weird fanciful, like, Oh, we're going to, we're going to

00:20:54.620 start a new political party. So I get it. So you're saying like, fine, take a state like that. You know,

00:20:59.380 you're going to lose, right. That, you know, Biden's going to lose like, uh, okay. So Utah,

00:21:03.900 where else like Kansas, Nebraska could be one of those, maybe Missouri, you take all those States

00:21:09.860 and then you throw up this, this by the way is sort of a rehash of the Evan McMuffin, AKA Evan

00:21:15.580 McMuffin strategy from 2016, where they ran him to think thinking that he could block, um, that he

00:21:22.600 could block Trump in Utah. He ended up doing fairly well in Utah. Um, but of course it was a complete

00:21:28.640 failure nationwide. This is, you know, the CIA total hack who was running. So what you're saying

00:21:33.200 is, or what Tyler's strategy, I remember him saying this the other day was that you would

00:21:37.600 then have the Democrats not run a candidate in that state with the hope being that it would,

00:21:43.820 it would essentially neutralize those votes. Of course, the trouble being then you'd have to

00:21:49.120 make sure that you could own up your votes in the other areas, but Hey, if you're not campaigning

00:21:53.500 in these States, then maybe that's money and resources that you can spend in the battlegrounds.

00:21:57.720 Yeah. And it's also unpredictable at that point. Uh, the funny thing is, is we have had a

00:22:02.800 presidential election that works like that. It was one of the ones in the 1800s. I can't

00:22:06.000 remember which one, but the, uh, the Whig party ran for different candidates in different

00:22:11.320 regions of the country to try to just throw the election to the house. And I think camera

00:22:17.220 if they were going against James K Polk, it was one of those, you know, one of those guys

00:22:20.720 before the civil war. And it was just a total disaster in the end because it turns out like

00:22:24.540 if you're running on such a cynical ploy of, we're just trying to throw it to the house

00:22:30.220 and we're not like really playing to win the election outright. That's such a message

00:22:34.520 of weakness. It's a, you know, we don't believe in ourselves. We don't believe in our ability

00:22:38.320 to build a winning coalition. We just really believe in stopping the other guy. And I could

00:22:42.720 just easily see that blowing up in their face. If that's what they attempt.

00:22:46.540 No, I just, I leave it right there. I think Mitt sees the writing on the wall. I think he's

00:22:52.840 blackpilled. I think he's out of it, but don't count him out folks because serpentinus

00:22:58.420 Willardus as I call him is a snake and snakes always turn up underfoot when you least expect

00:23:07.780 them. Uh, we know that Charlie is on his way soon, but I did want to move over to the second

00:23:13.360 topic if we can, because Hunter Biden finally indicted for something, at least in this case,

00:23:21.420 we've got Hunter, but we're going to go out of order just a little bit, guys. It's all right.

00:23:25.140 We'll be okay. Hunter Biden being indicted take two this time around. He's not indicted. Oh,

00:23:33.140 this isn't the tax stuff. This is nothing on the laptop. This is well, sort of, it indirectly

00:23:38.680 involves the laptop and I'll explain why this is lying to the ATF, lying to federal agents,

00:23:44.340 three counts of fraud. This is that ATF form when Hunter Biden purchased that firearm. And when

00:23:50.000 everyone purchased a firearm, you have to make a declaration to the ATF federal authorities that you

00:23:56.700 were not on hard drugs. Well, we've got a copy of laptop. I've got a copy of laptop sitting right

00:24:03.400 here next to my desk. And guess what? I got a lot of proof that Hunter Biden was definitely on hard

00:24:08.600 drugs the entire time that he had that gun. And this is even prior to, uh, him losing it in a fight

00:24:15.420 with his mistress, uh, his ex, his, uh, his, his, his deceased brother's ex-wife, uh, that he was

00:24:23.940 hooking up with that. She took it away from him. Probably smart, by the way, one of the smartest

00:24:28.300 things that she did took the gun away from him and tossed it in the trash can outside of a supermarket.

00:24:36.720 So he was obviously lying to the ATF and he has now been charged with this. Now, the real question

00:24:42.240 isn't why he was charged, but I think the interesting question is why is he being charged now? And I

00:24:48.100 really do think that him being charged now, cause keep in mind, we've known about this for years at

00:24:52.600 this point. I think he's being charged now because that plea deal fell through. And because just in

00:24:58.680 general, you're starting to see some movement within, within the party, within the administration,

00:25:06.380 even to sort of put pressure on Joe Biden and the Biden family themselves. I think they're under a lot

00:25:12.820 of pressure right now. Uh, you're already seeing the New York times, the Washington post drop concurrent

00:25:18.520 op-eds this week calling for the ouster essentially of Joe Biden from office saying you shouldn't run

00:25:25.080 again. Now, all of a sudden his son is being dited. The Republicans are over here talking impeachment,

00:25:30.020 Kevin McCarthy out there talking impeachment, talking criminal behavior. And so there's a lot

00:25:34.540 of pressure that's going on to the Bidens right now. And all of it really being the linchpin of Hunter

00:25:40.280 Biden. All right. So go for it. I'm going to, yeah. So here's the real thing that here's,

00:25:48.520 here's the real thing that our audience needs to be aware of is that Weiss is a proven, uh,

00:25:54.560 crook in my opinion, the U S attorney of Delaware. Now the special counsel, everybody in the, if you

00:26:02.080 read NBC politico, whatever, they always say Trump appointed. Trump loves to remind us. I didn't

00:26:07.420 appoint him. I guess technically he did, but it was by way of recommendation called a blue slip to

00:26:14.360 Democrat senators. Yeah. That, that basically make the recommendation. Okay. Right. So Weiss has been

00:26:21.300 in the Biden pocket for a long, long time. Part of that Delaware machine. Biden's been in power for

00:26:27.080 40 plus years. So here's what people need to understand that if, um, if he, because he is under

00:26:36.500 investigation, that this sort of rescues, uh, Hunter from testifying before Congress, right?

00:26:45.200 There's a couple of different ways this could, this could play out. Is it because he can just say

00:26:49.000 that, Hey, I'm under investigation. Uh, I can't now, uh, testify before Congress. That's not the way

00:26:55.720 this works. Um, so, so a couple of different ways, let me get back to the starting point here.

00:27:00.100 President Biden can't pardon Hunter, right? Politically it would be disastrous, but also

00:27:05.800 if that happens, then Hunter could not plead the fifth. So right now he can say, I can plead the

00:27:11.580 fifth. If he gets brought before Congress, I'm pleading the fifth, I'm pleading the fifth and

00:27:15.460 refuse to testify before Congress. So his fifth amendment protections would also disappear if Weiss

00:27:22.060 gives Hunter a plea agreement with a prosecution waiver or some other immunity. So as soon as you put

00:27:29.100 Hunter in a, in a immune from anything box, he no longer, uh, complete the fifth, you could subpoena

00:27:36.340 him right away before Congress and boom, he has to talk or else he's going to be putting himself at

00:27:42.060 risk. But as long as he is under investigation, as long, I mean, this guy's never going to see jail

00:27:47.080 time. He's never going to go to prison. As soon as he, uh, has immunity of any sort, a plea deal of any

00:27:53.420 sort, any sort, he's under the gun. He has to testify. But as long as they keep dragging this out

00:27:59.220 until 2025, if Joe Biden's, uh, reelected, if that's, that's the game they're playing, then Joe Biden

00:28:05.440 will pardon him or some other, he'll get community service, something else like this. So the, uh,

00:28:10.060 the audience needs to understand this is all about protecting Joe Biden and insulate, uh, protecting

00:28:15.760 Hunter to insulate Joe Biden. Blake, what'd you take? Uh, I think it's probably, I think it's easy

00:28:22.360 to overanalyze these things. You know, like we were asking like, why did they do it out? Okay.

00:28:26.400 Well, it's because they had, you know, a plea deal that got blown up because it was a huge attempt to

00:28:31.680 just, uh, you know, it was garbage, the whole thing under the rug. And so now it's like, it was a

00:28:36.360 corrupt plea deal. It was, of course, of course it was a corrupt. Now this is less corrupt. And I think

00:28:43.360 there was a lot of cynicism on the right. Uh, certainly we've heard, uh, you know, Charlie

00:28:47.460 opine on that, that, you know, this doesn't matter. Well, I mean, it is like, these are felony

00:28:52.500 charges. They do carry a maximum time in prison. I think of like 15 years or something like that.

00:28:57.680 If you stack them all, he won't get that of course, but you know, these are real charges that

00:29:01.920 they were avoiding bringing against him before. And these charges don't preclude charging them for

00:29:06.940 anything else. And I think, you know, we have reason to be happy with that. We have taken something.

00:29:10.960 They tried to first completely scuttle in the 2020 election and they, you know, they managed to

00:29:16.600 probably get Joe Biden elected president, but they didn't manage to completely destroy the story.

00:29:20.880 They had to admit the laptop was real. Then we forced them to bring charges against Hunter when,

00:29:26.380 uh, they previously were trying to not do that. Then they have to throw out their plea deal and

00:29:31.160 they have to do this. Like we're showing signs of progress here at a minimum. We're forcing them to

00:29:36.100 talk about everything that's in it. They have to come up with excuses for why it doesn't matter.

00:29:40.020 They have to deal with all of these whistleblowers who didn't exist, uh, six months ago. It is a

00:29:45.040 situation that is gradually getting worse for them. And, you know, I don't think we want to just

00:29:49.900 howl that the entire thing is, you know, Democrats doing four dimensional chess. Now, whether they're

00:29:55.940 going to try to exploit this to shove Biden aside, if they might be trying to exploit this to shove

00:30:01.220 Biden aside, or some people will, I think it's important to remember Democrats, uh, have factions

00:30:05.200 within their party, uh, just as much as conservatives do. And that's exactly my point. That's exactly my

00:30:10.940 point. This, that you're seeing factional infighting now. That's why there there's leaks coming out on

00:30:16.120 Obama. That's why, uh, Gavin Newsom of course is chomping at the bit. Hillary Clinton suddenly

00:30:21.540 reappearing, you know, Gavin Newsom makes that statement saying, well, I think that Kamala Harris

00:30:26.720 is the natural successor to Joe Biden when he asked if he's going to run. Right. But think about what he's

00:30:32.800 actually doing. This guy's Gavin Newsom is a very shrewd operator. Um, what he's doing is he's tying

00:30:38.980 Kamala Harris to Joe Biden. And he's essentially saying that if we are going to, you're seeing a

00:30:44.680 preview of what actually sounds like a primary candidate attack. Think of the, all the stuff

00:30:49.700 that we're seeing on the Republican side right now, these sort of like thinly veiled attacks.

00:30:53.780 So he's basically saying the failures of Joe Biden are tied directly to Kamala Harris. And if she tries

00:31:00.760 to run that he will tie her to them. So even though it sounds like he's building her up,

00:31:05.780 I think what he's subtly doing is actually burying her. It's possible. Actually. So, so,

00:31:13.180 I mean, Blake, if you have a point, I wanted to make, I think we have, I think we have Charlie

00:31:18.480 here now. So, um, is he joining us? All right. Oh, I've been listening. I've just been one. I've

00:31:25.940 just been wondering when I was going to call them. No, no, go ahead, Andrew. All right. Let's go

00:31:30.340 ahead. Welcome. Welcome, Charlie. I'm going to play cut 67. So I asked, uh, our team, our video

00:31:36.760 team to pull the closest thing that, uh, came to a, uh, a denial that he was going to run from this

00:31:44.780 Chuck Todd, Gavin Newsom interview. And I'm going to play it for the audience to see what you guys

00:31:49.700 think. Is this, is this a denial? I, I certainly don't think it is. I think this is slick, slippery,

00:31:55.520 Gavin Newsom, not answering the question. Play cut 67. And am I supposed to interpret that

00:32:00.380 comment about the vice president that if for some reason the president chose not to run at this

00:32:04.180 point, everybody rallies around her. It's the Biden Harris administration. That's a, maybe I'm a

00:32:08.820 little old fashioned. Maybe I'm a little, maybe I'm a little old fashioned about presidents and vice

00:32:14.120 president. I was a lieutenant governor, so I'm a little subjective. All right. So that's him basically

00:32:20.380 saying, Hey, no, Kamala will be up next because he cannot be seen to be usurping a woman of color

00:32:27.340 in the, you know, the power, uh, echelon and the Democrat party. So it's very fascinating. He didn't,

00:32:35.080 he didn't deny it, which I think is interesting, but here, I'm going to make one final point. And

00:32:38.480 then Charlie, I want you to take it away. Here's the final point. Um, Mike Davis, article three project

00:32:43.560 is making this point on Twitter. He's saying, why don't you just grant immunity right now to,

00:32:50.780 um, Hunter Biden, just give it to him because getting Joe Biden is much more consequential

00:32:56.820 than some crackhead son. It's an interesting take. I don't think a lot of our audience would

00:33:01.200 be happy about that. They want to see Hunter behind bars, but if you do that, then you, you

00:33:05.280 trot his butt right before Congress, you make him testify. He can't plead the fifth. It's an

00:33:09.660 interesting, interesting strategy. All right, Charlie.

00:33:16.600 No, it's definitely interesting. I was having just a tech thing here. So, uh, great to be

00:33:20.660 here guys. It's good to know that you guys can carry the show. Uh, without me, I had,

00:33:25.240 I had full faith and you guys have been doing a great job. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of

00:33:28.340 takeaways here is, is, is Gavin going to be, you know, are they going to replace Joe Biden

00:33:33.840 with Gavin? I think it's important. And I said this earlier in our program that it's worth

00:33:38.220 repeating things are not going very well. All is not well in the Democrat circles right

00:33:42.680 now. And whether it be the, the one that I want to really emphasize though, that we've

00:33:46.520 been playing kind of just for fun over the weekend is the smart guys really felt like

00:33:50.780 this Republican primary was going to be competitive. Uh, the experts thought that this would be

00:33:55.920 a close Republican primary. And I'd love to spend some time on that one. Cause I, I think

00:34:00.200 that that, and no, I, no, this is an important one. I, I, I know Jack, you agree is because

00:34:05.140 I think if they thought that the Republicans were going to beat themselves up and fight

00:34:10.700 amongst themselves, then there was going to be an opening for all the law fair to work.

00:34:16.140 So Jack, let's start with that one. The fact that Donald Trump is so convincingly up in the

00:34:21.680 primary has been one of the false predictions of the regime in this political year of 2023.

00:34:28.600 Jack, why don't you riff on that for a second?

00:34:30.280 Right, Charlie. And, and, and that's why I think it's so funny because I remember having

00:34:36.320 these conversations behind the scenes with strategists, with pollsters, with consultants,

00:34:41.700 people telling me, Oh, these indictments are going to come. Trump is going to drop like a rock

00:34:46.520 in the polls. He's going to knock himself out of the race. The independents won't go for this.

00:34:51.660 They won't stand for it. And I remember kind of scratching my head saying, yeah, I, I, I see how

00:34:57.460 you guys could think that, but I just don't think that's going to be the case. I think people are

00:35:03.120 going to say these indictments are political. These polite, these indictments are, uh, are fake.

00:35:10.840 They're trumped up charges, right? Pun intended, obviously. And they're going to have a backlash

00:35:16.660 whereby in, you will actually see independent centrists and moderates, maybe even people that

00:35:22.920 weren't for Trump in 2020 actually start to take another look at him because they will see every

00:35:29.320 institution completely turned against him. That's actually been the, the difference here. Also,

00:35:36.260 you've, you just have this, this complete crater of a campaign, uh, by Ron DeSantis, which has now

00:35:42.240 actually hurt his standing really just politically, his all political capital that he's had is gone.

00:35:48.180 It's, it's, it's completely gone at this point. And, uh, we're not sure even what his political

00:35:53.700 future will be going from here, but at the same time, the real big, I think blinking lights, the,

00:36:01.620 the system blinking red for the Democrats right now is that if you go to real clear politics and you look

00:36:08.480 up the average, the national average, not just for the primary Charlie, but for the general Trump Biden,

00:36:16.520 Donald Trump is currently leading for, as far as I know, the first time ever in his entire political

00:36:24.060 history, leading in the general election against the Democrat. Uh, he's, it's only by about half a

00:36:30.560 point, but you've never actually seen him up in the real clear politics average. As of today,

00:36:36.920 he is now beating Joe Biden in the national popular vote.

00:36:41.080 It's, it's really remarkable. So let's go through this list. I think it's important.

00:36:47.940 So if just to kind of remind people, the whole idea of DeSantis and this primary evaporating is

00:36:54.720 not helpful to the Democrat algorithm, the awful polling with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris,

00:36:59.120 the Hunter impeachment, but then let's kind of get to the Mitt Romney, no labels thing.

00:37:03.840 Anyone can chime into this. Blake, Andrew, smart money is that Joe Manchin and or Mitt Romney

00:37:09.200 or so coalition is going to run a splinter strategy here. None of this was supposed to

00:37:14.940 happen in 2023. So Blake kind of lead us through this. Do you think we're going to see some

00:37:21.320 competitive by competitive? I mean, marginal defining third party candidates running for

00:37:27.580 office, Blake. I mean, it always feels like such narcissism when they talk about these things.

00:37:31.960 It feels like every four years, they're like, this is the year we're going to have this like

00:37:35.560 real third party that takes off. And really the third party that took off was Donald Trump. And

00:37:41.180 he just took over a major party because he was so successful at it. He's like, I'm going to take

00:37:45.020 the Ross Perot energy of the nineties, uh, mix in a little of the, you know, the Pat Buchanan energy

00:37:50.480 and a little, some little normal Republican stuff and just take over major party. He is the winning

00:37:55.700 third party, but will we see a third party run? I think we could. Cause there is this real sense that

00:38:02.840 as you say, the machine is breaking down that they had this intent that, you know,

00:38:09.300 we could use 2023 to set things up so that 2024 is just this walk over, uh, you know,

00:38:14.840 the election on autopilot. They thought, you know, Donald Trump, he does, you know, he focuses a lot

00:38:20.020 on his own affairs. So if we indict him, he'll like totally implode, obsess over his criminal cases,

00:38:25.260 forget all about the national election. He'll get totally derailed in this primary. And they just

00:38:30.340 thought they could set everything up. So it would all line up and there's no competitive race

00:38:34.440 whatsoever. And instead that plan is cracking apart. And what's very funny is, you know,

00:38:40.000 what none of them were banking on. Clearly none of them were actually making any plan on

00:38:43.700 we'll win because Joe Biden will have a successful presidency that people want another four years of.

00:38:48.740 Nobody was banking on that. They were just banking on, we can make it so that Trump falls apart.

00:38:53.420 They aren't able to mount an effective campaign. We, you know, we have ballot harvesting,

00:38:57.340 we have mail-in voting, we have the machine set up to be so slick and efficient that it's just

00:39:02.780 impossible to have a competitive race, no matter how disastrous things are by 2024. And instead,

00:39:07.860 they're getting caught off guard by, uh, shocker. It turns out that when the walls were closing in

00:39:12.680 on Trump, he was not actually beaten forever. Only the 50th time that's happened. And then on top of

00:39:18.200 that, the Biden administration is even more of a mess than they were originally anticipating.

00:39:23.740 Uh, you know, inflation might be coming back again. We see, uh, gas prices getting more expensive.

00:39:29.460 Uh, the Ukraine war seems to be going really badly again. And, you know, so that could be

00:39:35.380 Afghanistan 2.0 by next year, where this thing just turns into a total disaster. And there's so

00:39:41.120 many things going awry. And then on top of that, Joe Biden has sort of burned a lot of his credibility

00:39:45.460 with the left, which they thought would be fine. And instead they have Cornell West, a person that if

00:39:50.640 you're on the left, you've actually heard of, he's running for president. He's not, you know,

00:39:55.100 he's not won over by all these things that, well, if you run, you're going to let Trump get elected.

00:39:59.120 He's biting that bullet and saying, I don't care. And if enough Democrats are willing to say that

00:40:04.840 they're in a lot of trouble next year.

00:40:08.620 So, so two things on this. I think it's really interesting. I want to play this, uh, Debbie Dingell

00:40:14.080 clip 35. So if you can get that ready, she's saying that Trump could win Michigan. So one of

00:40:20.500 the interesting things, and, and Charlie, you made a great point earlier this week where you kind of

00:40:24.220 tied it into that, uh, uh, what's the document? I'm just playing it more. What's his name? Um,

00:40:31.000 who's the documentarian more, Michael Moore. I was like Russell Moore, David Moore. Okay.

00:40:36.420 Michael Moore. So Trump has this unparalleled ability, at least within the Republican party of

00:40:44.620 winning those Rust Belt States, those upper Midwest States. Yeah. It didn't work out in 2020,

00:40:50.000 but it was close, razor thin. And we're talking 50,000 votes across three States. All right.

00:40:55.620 So here's, here's what's interesting. You put Cornell West in as a third party in these States,

00:41:01.380 he's peeling two to three points off of the Democrat ticket and he doesn't care. But what's,

00:41:08.340 what's interesting here. And we've talked about this before is, and I think it's a really interesting

00:41:13.120 thought, crime intrigue. Is this a revenge tour on behalf of Bernie Sanders? Is this a revenge tour

00:41:21.040 on behalf of Bernie Sanders? Bernie Sanders and, uh, Cornell West are very good friends. Cornell West

00:41:28.540 help him, him write some of the Democrat platform heading into 2020. That was like his consolation

00:41:33.900 prize for Bernie Sanders getting screwed twice by the DNC. So I think Cornell West is in it regardless.

00:41:40.700 He's already qualified for the ballot in Arizona and Florida. He's working on getting those, uh,

00:41:45.020 qualifying for the ballot in other States. I think the, the next one coming up is Nevada,

00:41:49.280 October 15th. He's got to get on before then. I think he's going to do this. I think he's going

00:41:53.420 to play spoiler, at least in a number of these States. I don't know if you'll get to the

00:41:57.220 Jill Stein level in 2016, but it's very, very interesting. And the Democrats simply did not

00:42:03.880 predict in their algorithm that Trump was going to be this resilient with four indictments later.

00:42:09.320 They did not, they did not, uh, factor that in. And I think we're going to see States like

00:42:15.260 Michigan. You're, you're seeing the alarm bells go off, play cut 35.

00:42:20.420 We're heading into another presidential race. If the election were held today in Michigan,

00:42:24.840 do you think Donald Trump as a Republican nominee could beat president Biden as a democratic nominee?

00:42:30.040 I'm going to look at you all right now. Everybody says Michigan's a blue state.

00:42:34.600 Michigan is not, it is purple. It is a very competitive state and Donald Trump would do

00:42:41.320 well in Michigan right now. I'm not, the elections a year away. We're at a very volatile time.

00:42:47.640 But I'm not taking Michigan for granted. And I'm going to say, I've said that very strongly to many people.

00:42:53.720 Do you feel like the Biden team is taking Michigan for granted right now? Should they be doing

00:42:58.920 more already to try to shore things up?

00:43:03.640 Um, let's just say, I think we've gotten their attention.

00:43:10.040 Powerful clip, I think. And we actually do have this Russell Moore one.

00:43:13.800 Charlie, I don't know if Charlie, do you want to like preface it a little bit?

00:43:17.160 Michael Moore. What if Russell, Russell, Michael, I don't know. I don't know where it's up.

00:43:24.120 Look, I, apparently. Yeah. So my, so, so Michael Moore has gone into a relevancy in recent years,

00:43:29.640 but in the Obama years, he was the ultimate, let's just say, before the internet was a thing,

00:43:35.960 troll of right-wing policy.

00:43:37.480 Not even, but this is the Bush year, man. This is a, you know, I don't even know. Charlie,

00:43:42.360 were you in like grade school? Yeah, no, I mean, he did. Bowling for Columbine was his big one.

00:43:48.760 Uh, that was the one right after the Columbine Mass.

00:43:50.920 And then Fahrenheit, Fahrenheit 9-11 is the.

00:43:52.920 Fahrenheit 9-11.

00:43:53.800 Which was totally ripped off of a book, by the way. He did none of the research in that.

00:43:57.800 Yeah, he, he was like the Democrats hillbilly elegy. So he, he is really, the fact that Andrew

00:44:05.880 doesn't even know his name is not an insult to Andrew at all, because he's not in the zeitgeist.

00:44:09.960 Michael Moore's irrelevant, which is interesting. And by the way, Michael Moore is one of a great

00:44:13.880 example in politics of like, when you get famous with fat man energy and all of a sudden you become

00:44:18.360 super skinny, like Al Sharpton or Mike Pompeo. It's like really weird. Okay. Uh, same thing with,

00:44:23.640 with Michael. No, as soon as Michael, as soon as Michael Moore started certain governors,

00:44:27.400 yes, exactly. Michael Moore started to lose weight. It was, it was really strange. Okay.

00:44:31.640 So, and Michael Moore is actually way older than people think. Oh, like just put that in the chat.

00:44:35.560 It's true. Um, anyway, so, but Michael Moore, he is very in touch with the industrial rust belt.

00:44:41.160 He was kind of the ombudsman to the rust belt for the Democrat party for years, always talking about,

00:44:46.680 you know, fair trade and all these different things. He was very similar to kind of what I would

00:44:49.960 call the Garrison Keillor Democrat. Michael Moore and Garrison Keillor were two of the more,

00:44:54.120 uh, trendy, uh, Midwestern based Minnesota, uh, Michigan based Harrison Keillor from Mankato,

00:45:01.480 Minnesota and, um, Michael Moore from Michigan. Anyway, enough of that. This is back in 2016.

00:45:07.000 Michael Moore warned about this. This was a huge clip in 2016. I remember I tweeted it

00:45:11.080 at the time back in 16 and got a huge, um, viral response. Play cut 71.

00:45:15.960 Okay. Because I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump. Donald Trump

00:45:24.040 came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said,

00:45:32.680 if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico,

00:45:37.320 I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them.

00:45:45.560 It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything

00:45:53.080 like that to these executives. And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and

00:46:00.360 Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump's election is going to be the biggest

00:46:07.960 ever recorded in human history.

00:46:13.000 And it will feel good.

00:46:20.280 So, that clip was before the election and he called it. He called it as the FU election and he called

00:46:28.200 the blue wave crumbling. Jack, bring us back in the time machine and connect it to today.

00:46:33.960 Well, so if you go back and, and look at where Michael Moore got his start, right,

00:46:39.960 he's the Mr. Flint, Michigan. Uh, there's the same Flint, Michigan that lost their water supply

00:46:45.080 under Barack Obama. And if you watch his very first book, his very, very first, uh, excuse me,

00:46:52.440 his very first documentary, Roger and me, what was it about? It was all about the closing of the GM

00:46:59.720 plants. This is out in 1989, the closing of the GM plants in Flint, Michigan, the losing of jobs,

00:47:07.640 the fact that they were sending all these jobs overseas, the outsourcing, the fact that they

00:47:12.920 were destroying these American workers, destroying American societies, that they were gutting the entire

00:47:19.320 Midwest. And the whole thing, the, the crux of it is him trying to get an interview with, uh, the CEO

00:47:25.960 of general motors at the time, a guy by the name of Roger Smith. So the name of the documentary is

00:47:30.600 Roger and me. And he's just constantly, he's the guy who created the whole, and you see people do this

00:47:35.400 every day now of standing around and running up to politicians or leaders or people in power with

00:47:41.480 a microphone and a camera and sticking it in their face. He was, Michael Moore was doing it, uh,

00:47:46.440 before Alex Jones was doing it long before Alex Stein was doing it. Now, so many people,

00:47:51.240 everybody does it in DC now, but Michael Moore actually was the first guy to do this on the big

00:47:56.200 stage. And so because of that, uh, it really created entire industry. And so it's, it's almost like he

00:48:03.720 sort of had this, this tie in with those, those populist working class roots that of course he

00:48:11.880 completely lost when he became a multimillionaire and he's very, very wealthy now. Uh, and so that's

00:48:18.600 why he just goes in for all the insane Russia Gatorry and insanity full on TDS. But it does seem like

00:48:24.680 there was this one moment, the addicts call it a moment of clarity where right before the 2016 election,

00:48:30.760 he basically described what was about to happen. And then obviously what did happen on that day in November.

00:48:37.480 Blake, well, Oh, go ahead.

00:48:47.240 Blake, what, what, what, wait, what, what do you need? Oh,

00:48:51.400 Hey, I got something to add. So here bringing it back like full circle is the fact that we're talking about

00:48:57.240 third party candidates and how they, the margins are so tight. Uh, and Jack, you made this point earlier

00:49:02.760 that some of these marginal states that we think of marginally blue or whatever you put

00:49:06.680 Cornell West in there, you put conservative populist energy with Trump. The third party

00:49:12.200 candidacies are going to completely flip the Democrat machine algorithm. And that is why you're

00:49:18.520 seeing the Washington post, New York times put out warning shots. I think if, if we're going to play

00:49:23.640 the back to the Hunter Biden second in this round two with the gun charges, the, if you're going to

00:49:31.160 put a positive spin on it, it's because that's a nether shoe to drop. That's another warning sign

00:49:37.400 that Democrat operatives are saying, you know, we're pulling the alarm bills here. Joe Biden,

00:49:42.520 you really could lose your odds of losing are now greater than your odds of win winning.

00:49:47.160 And how did David Ignatius put it in the Washington post? He said, if he's not good at saying no,

00:49:52.680 in other words, Joe Biden is one of the most stubborn politicians you will ever meet.

00:49:56.360 This is time and time again, the way people describe him, he is stubborn. And so now that

00:50:01.160 he's in there, yeah, the machine wants him out, but he's stubborn. He's not going to come willingly.

00:50:05.560 So they're going to have to start putting out these flares, these warning shots to get him to move.

00:50:09.720 And how did David Ignatius put it? He said, you are at risk of ruining your greatest achievement,

00:50:16.120 which was stopping Trump was stopping Trump. And now we're afraid this in David Ignatius,

00:50:23.240 again, is the CIA spokeshole. They want a press release written. They go to David Ignatius.

00:50:27.960 So David Ignatius doing the bidding of the intel agencies. They know the dirt they have on Biden.

00:50:32.840 And they're saying, hey, you were good for a purpose. You've outlived that purpose. You need

00:50:39.080 to step aside. So it's very interesting. If you're going to look at Hunter Biden,

00:50:42.520 you're going to tie in the third party, you're going to tie in this Democrat algorithm. I mean,

00:50:46.440 that that would be the glass half full. I'm not sure I buy it with Hunter,

00:50:50.040 but I certainly think these third party candidates have them terrified.

00:50:55.000 Can I? All right, let's get to the next segment here. But yeah, sorry, Blake. I'm sorry, Jake,

00:50:59.160 Blake. Jack, Jack, hold on one sec. Let's just let's you have a quick thought, Jack.

00:51:04.520 Yeah, just a quick thought. This is the the from the epilogue of Roger and me. And it's just it just

00:51:08.760 you listen to it. It sounds like something that Trump could say. Michael Moore's go is finally confronts

00:51:13.640 the guy from General Motors and says, Mr. Smith, we just came from Flint where we filmed a family

00:51:19.240 being evicted from their home the day before Christmas Eve, a family that used to work in

00:51:24.120 the factory. Would you be willing to come up with us to see what the situation is in Flint is like for

00:51:28.920 those people? Smith, I've been to Flint and I'm sorry for those people, but I don't know anything

00:51:33.400 about it. Families are being evicted from their homes on Christmas Eve. Listen, I'm sure General Motors

00:51:38.040 didn't evict them. You'd have to go talk to their landlords. Well, they used to work for General Motors,

00:51:42.360 and now they don't work there anymore. Sorry about that. Could you come up to Flint with us?

00:51:46.700 I cannot come to Flint. I'm sorry. That's the Trump movement right there, right there.

00:51:52.800 All right. All right. So we got to set the stage here. So Virginia has a House of Delegates,

00:51:58.400 delegates, the former House of Burgesses. They're a special state, so they get to hold their elections

00:52:03.460 in odd numbered years. They're just like that for some reason. So we're having an election in two months

00:52:09.260 in Virginia. The House of Delegates is very close. I think it's 50 Republicans, 46 Democrats,

00:52:15.040 and some open seats right now. And very close. Who wins that race is going to be very important for

00:52:22.180 what Glenn Youngkin is able to do in his last two years as governor. It's going to be a big deal.

00:52:29.340 And in one of the tightest races in a district that is almost exactly 50-50,

00:52:33.860 there's breaking news this week. So there is a candidate named Susanna Gibson. She is a nurse

00:52:41.500 practitioner and the mother of two young children running in a highly competitive suburban Richmond

00:52:45.740 district. And she has a side job that was recently brought before public attention, which is that she

00:52:51.780 and her husband have performed sex acts on camera for money on a pornographic website. And now the

00:53:00.160 entire world knows about it. And the response of Democrats has been to replace her on the ballot.

00:53:06.540 I'm just kidding. The response of Democrats has been to say that it is totally fine to do paid sex

00:53:12.900 acts on camera and basically be a prostitute as long as you're a Democrat, I guess. And so we have this

00:53:20.840 headline right now in Politico. So what if a candidate live streamed sex acts with her husband,

00:53:27.900 they leave out for money? And that is what we're campaigning on in Virginia right now. And so we

00:53:34.780 may be on the brink of them successfully pulling that one off and taking politicians from merely

00:53:40.180 figurative prostitutes to literal prostitutes. You know, I remember a time when there was a rumor,

00:53:50.400 a very, very nasty, pernicious, disgusting rumor of a certain tape about Donald Trump in Moscow in a

00:53:59.500 hotel that was bandied about across the entire Internet. MSNBC had it for days. Jake Tapper

00:54:07.280 talked about it as if it was a serious thing. And this certain particular tape involved a certain

00:54:14.040 particular act in that Moscow hotel room. And it turns out that it wasn't Donald Trump who was

00:54:22.000 performing acts like that. In fact, it was Democrat women that were performing those and they have

00:54:27.400 actual tapes like that. And in fact, you can pay them to perform them for you. Interesting. And

00:54:32.220 they said interesting thing to note. One of the details here is that there were acts they were doing

00:54:37.980 that they had to take to a private room on this website that they were using. Uh, so much of this

00:54:44.420 basically became public because they were doing it on a website that literally anyone can visit and,

00:54:50.840 uh, you know, horned up porn addicts being who they are. Uh, they have created mirror websites that

00:54:56.520 automatically record all of the videos on this live porn broadcasting website and they archive it so they

00:55:02.620 can watch it later. Uh, so a lot of the reporting, including from the New York times has talked about

00:55:08.300 these videos being leaked onto the internet, which they're about as leaked as your average upload on

00:55:14.500 YouTube is if someone shares a link to it. As leaked as the show is. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's as leaked as

00:55:19.800 this program is. Yeah. If they, if they cover this segment that we're doing, whoa, media matters just

00:55:24.580 leaked what Charlie Kirk said on, on rumble. Oh my gosh. I, I, I just want everyone to understand. So the

00:55:31.560 Virginia house of delegates, it's a very competitive race here and there's a lot of outside money pro

00:55:37.220 abortion groups that flood into Virginia. So this, this woman was definitely at some point sat down

00:55:42.900 with a bunch of consultants, Susanna Gibson, and they said, okay, they're going to run attack ads

00:55:48.000 against you. Susanna Gibson, tell us everything. Tell us all the skeletons that you have in your

00:55:52.960 closet. And she was probably like, well, I think I have a couple unpaid parking tickets. And, uh,

00:55:58.680 I think I jaywalked a couple of times and, uh, we'll tell us everything, anything that they might

00:56:03.560 be able to, and imagine the calculus in her head where either she didn't think this was a big deal

00:56:10.360 or thinking this wouldn't come out being like, Oh wait, you mean that the thing I do every Thursday

00:56:16.420 night where we film with my husband, having sex for money is not going to somehow like, you know,

00:56:23.340 come out in an opposition research file. Like this was not going to be made public.

00:56:29.500 Jack, it's, it's like a weekly Pilates class except, you know, naked and in public.

00:56:34.940 Yeah. So what's for money and taking instructions. I'll say this as, as, as a dad, you know,

00:56:41.640 I can't help but feel bad for the kids. Um, they've, they have, uh, and you'd look on our website and

00:56:46.460 she shows pictures of her children that are their, uh, daughter and little boy. They look,

00:56:51.780 they look like great kids, looks like a happy family. And you just feel bad knowing that

00:56:55.660 this is, I'm, I'm sorry, but it is what it is. Uh, you got to live in the world that those kids

00:57:01.800 are going to be hit with this for the rest of their lives now. So you've now ruined your children's

00:57:06.140 lives because of this, because of your narcissism, because of your self-sent interest. I don't wish

00:57:11.560 it. Oh yeah, they're definitely going to be divorced. Uh, all, all of that stuff is going to come out.

00:57:15.500 But, um, the way they found her was because her username was actually hot wife experience.

00:57:23.020 And, and Charlie, I wasn't sure, are you familiar with the term hot wifing? Do you know what hot

00:57:26.740 wifing is? No. So hot wifing, this is, it's a play on a military, a piece of military slang

00:57:35.600 known as hot racking. So in hot racking, that's when you're, you're stationed at a garrison or like

00:57:42.400 when I was in the Navy, this happens on, uh, the LA class attack sub sometimes and there's not

00:57:46.360 enough birthing for everybody. So you're, it basically means you're sharing a bed, right?

00:57:50.460 So, but at different, on different shifts, if someone's on day shift, then the other person

00:57:54.080 sleeping, someone's a night shift, they take turns, you're hot racking. So hot wifing is the same

00:57:58.860 idea. According, according to urban dictionary, hot wifing, uh, is a term where a hot wife is a woman

00:58:06.120 whose husband likes to share her sexually with other men or likes to watch her have sex with other

00:58:12.380 men. And the wife enjoys pleasing her husband in this way. This is different supposedly from

00:58:19.320 cuckolding where in, wherein the husband is not a sub that's submissive hot wifing supposedly does

00:58:26.380 not involve the humiliation of any of the participants. Uh, the, the section here, the

00:58:32.960 couple spends most weekends hot wifing with men they met online. So just so everybody knows

00:58:38.520 the term hot wifing. Yeah, but that's, that, that actually contradicts some of the reporting

00:58:42.880 that I've seen. So, so I guess he's quoted, the husband is quoted. It's saying in the live streams,

00:58:49.160 it admitted that sometimes she quote unquote makes him allow her to have sex with other men.

00:58:55.200 Uh, so that's interesting. The, the other part of this, that's really galling to me is the fact

00:58:59.760 that she's now claiming she's the victim of a sex crime. And she says she's, uh, she's working with

00:59:07.020 local law enforcement, uh, to get to the bottom of this. Um, yeah, working closely with state and

00:59:13.260 federal law enforcement says her lawyer, Daniel P Watkins. Uh, but this was like revenge porn.

00:59:19.100 If you, if you're sharing your wife, you're cocked. Like if you're, if, if another man is sleeping

00:59:23.880 with your wife, you're cocked, like there's no way around that. Sorry. No guys, no, no, not at all.

00:59:27.420 Here's one last little piece. Yeah, of course. Here's one last little piece of irony of this,

00:59:33.300 right. We all remember the infamous P tapes, the, uh, the allegations that Trump was in a Russian

00:59:38.860 hotel, you know, urinating on, on hotel beds or whatever. This I found interesting. She's quoted

00:59:46.920 as saying in one of these videos, y'all can watch me pee. If you tip me and give me some tokens.

00:59:54.460 So, you know, she hasn't tweeted in about a week. So I think if we give her some tokens,

00:59:58.940 um, then maybe, you know, maybe we can get her up on Twitter. You know, I actually looked up

01:00:03.240 what the, the prices are for the tokens. Cause it sounds, it sounds a lot. It's 500 tokens,

01:00:08.920 a thousand tokens. But when you look it up, it turns out 500 tokens is only equal to something

01:00:13.060 like one of the articles had it. I don't see it right now. It said it was like 40 bucks,

01:00:17.200 40 bucks. That's it. Like I, I give more to into church every weekend. You're paying 40 bucks and

01:00:24.340 you're going to give away that really? I mean, listen, sweetheart, I think you could do a

01:00:28.680 little better and you're probably going to have to now because I don't see any other way that

01:00:31.960 you're going to be able to sustain yourself. I mean, I think this is, this is a vindication

01:00:36.380 of the, uh, the trust all women movement. I want, I want to flag. I think we need to hook

01:00:41.880 her up with Andrew Tate. You gotta be careful with the word hooking up there. Uh, one of the,

01:00:47.220 uh, things I really want to flag again in this Politico headline, the one that says, you know,

01:00:50.760 who cares if our politicians are prostitutes? It's a politicians have always pushed society's

01:00:57.840 sexual boundaries. The next taboo is bound to fall soon. Like, okay. Like how far are

01:01:03.220 we going to go? It's just like, we, we just need Politico to come out and it's just like,

01:01:06.840 you know, so what if a, if a candidate like commits incest? So what if a candidate like

01:01:11.540 is in a polycule? So what if a candidate sold their child to like international pedophile

01:01:16.500 rings? Like who hasn't? It was, the murder was a lot. Those murders were a long time ago.

01:01:21.840 He served his debt to society. Let him run. Come on. Didn't John Fetterman have like some

01:01:27.740 double murderer on his staff at one point, uh, when he was running for Senate, they were

01:01:32.160 like, didn't Democrats take reform? I mean, Democrats took, uh, you know, Ted Kennedy who,

01:01:36.920 you know, killed a girl that he was cheating on his spouse with and they called him the conscience

01:01:41.020 of the Senate. They actually have called him that at some point. And like, you know, one

01:01:45.600 of the greatest senators to ever live. So I guess it was rather inevitable. We'd go from

01:01:49.320 that to, to this and just, it's all very galling. One of the other lines they've taken is that,

01:01:54.760 you know, this is the Republican effort to silence women. We're trying to silence women

01:01:59.920 by saying that we don't like it when people are prostitutes.

01:02:04.400 Yeah. So let's make sure. And if anyone disagrees, Blake, I know, agrees. I think Jack does.

01:02:08.560 She's a hooker and some people are saying, Oh no, she's a hooker. Sex acts for cash. Anyone

01:02:14.100 disagree? I don't disagree. I completely agree. Just cause you're a digital. I think

01:02:20.740 I'm just, it's a shocking. Yeah. It's a shocking word. Uh, she's shocking dude. She's a digital

01:02:28.180 prostitute. Uh, but yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not a word we use though. This is far

01:02:33.220 fans. I mean, half of the, half of the sorority girls at ASU with only fans accounts are hookers.

01:02:40.820 So it's not that shocking of a word. So I mean, if you sell your body for cash, so

01:02:46.980 Wasn't ASU one of the number one schools on sugar daddies.com

01:02:54.580 If not, like, it seems like the experience, you know, they traffic entirely on their reputation.

01:03:03.360 Yeah. They call it the girlfriend experience, right? Where you pay $2,000 to have a girlfriend

01:03:08.500 experience. It's like, you just go to Kappa Kappa Gamma at ASU. Yeah. Those girls, they make a nice

01:03:15.160 income tax free. ASU is currently number four temple university. My school is number three.

01:03:20.740 Uh, number two is UCLA and number one is NYU just looked up for 2023 for, for, for what? Only fans

01:03:28.380 income. Why you know, that is no, that's, that's all for, for the top 10 sugar baby universities in

01:03:35.440 the United States. I don't, that's according to sugar book.com. If you know, I'm like gay men

01:03:42.480 as sugar babies, then NYU would be on the list, but there's no way. NYU comes even close to ASU that

01:03:49.960 that that's a fake list. Well, it could be that ASU is moving to, it could be that they're moving

01:03:55.800 to other sites. They may have some local sites. They may have some, they may just have ASU sugar

01:04:00.620 babies set up. We don't even know. We might need just to get someone to go undercover there

01:04:04.400 to actually find out what's going on. Also, how is, how is UCLA? Honestly, how is UCLA beating USC

01:04:10.820 in the Los Angeles area? That that's like, yeah, no, I don't trust this website. Hold

01:04:15.020 on, hold on. Hold on. Andrew asked now, Andrew asked, what is a sugar baby? So a, um, maybe

01:04:23.660 I don't want to know exactly money for company. No, I mean, I got it. No, no, no. It's not,

01:04:30.680 no, no, no. It's it's companionship. It's no sugar babies. Even more than paying them to

01:04:39.640 leave. So it's the girlfriend experience. It's the work I'm going to buy you. I'm going

01:04:43.640 to pay your tuition. I'm going to pay for your rent. I'm going to pay for basically whatever

01:04:49.260 you wardrobe, whatever you want, total financial pampering travel at times. And then every

01:04:55.220 once in a while, the sugar daddy, you know, gets what's coming to him. I mean, the sugar

01:05:00.020 baby is just a mistress. Like that's what it is. It's just a mistress. Yeah. Yeah. That's

01:05:04.240 but is there like a website? Is there a website? Do you want to know? There's several. Okay.

01:05:09.760 That's why you, that's why you have a list. Okay. I get it. I get it. Oh, several, but

01:05:15.560 no, but so, so, so a lot, a lot of these, a lot of these sorority girls at major state

01:05:21.860 run institutions who go to college who don't actually study, they end up making only fans

01:05:27.080 accounts and sell their bodies for cash. And then on the weekends, they'll dress up and

01:05:32.520 very revealing, you know, type clothes and they'll go on a girlfriend experience with

01:05:37.000 some hedge fund guy in Scottsdale at a nice steakhouse and get $2,000 for companionship.

01:05:45.440 Do you guys remember when only fans tried to get rid of nudity and it just like completely,

01:05:50.100 it completely, uh, backfired. Didn't work at all. Yeah. Well, because they were reaching

01:05:57.160 out to people, um, to try to get them on to say, Oh, you know, didn't they, I think they

01:06:03.000 reached out to James Lindsay at one point, um, to try to get him to come on to only fans.

01:06:08.380 And he was like, well, what would I put up there? And they were like, put up lectures.

01:06:11.380 And he goes, so would you want me to put up lectures? Like, like shirtless or something?

01:06:15.700 And they were like, Oh yeah, that'd be great. And he said, Oh, okay. So there we go.

01:06:18.700 So even though, even the, even the people there, when they tried to rebrand, they didn't know how

01:06:23.080 to do. All right. I get it now. No, but, but, but there are companies that, and it's been sued

01:06:31.780 many times and criminally investigated as prostitution companies that are escort services, right? That,

01:06:38.120 and, and they will go on dates with men and they'll say, Oh, you're just paying for the experience of

01:06:44.080 the girl coming with you. Okay. So let's, uh, we have 15 minutes. Uh, I, we, we need to,

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01:07:48.040 slash Charlie. Okay. I think we're going, this is actually a great segue because we covered the

01:07:52.220 Oliver Anthony thing a couple of weeks ago. Jack Posobiec is Oliver Anthony be really revealing the

01:07:57.280 person that you and I accused him of being a couple of weeks ago. Who is this guy? Jack.

01:08:00.900 So Charlie, this is a really shocking situation. I think for a lot of people who are Oliver Anthony

01:08:08.740 fans and, and look, I came out initially when I saw the video, I saw the song and said, wow,

01:08:13.460 great song. I like it. I love the steel guitar getting in there. But then when he started giving

01:08:18.960 these interviews, all of a sudden it seemed to be a different voice that was coming out than the ones

01:08:23.680 that wrote the words of that song. And now we have a situation where, and I'll explain it in as short

01:08:30.160 terms as possible. A show that he was planning to do with cotton. I Joe was canceled. This was going

01:08:37.540 to be at the Knoxville convention center in Tennessee. It was going to be next week. And

01:08:41.820 he came out and canceled it and essentially said it was over high ticket prices. And they said,

01:08:47.660 why are we canceling? We're canceling over high ticket prices. And he made a post essentially

01:08:52.720 blaming the promoters for setting ticket prices too high. However, the promoters, uh, at the

01:09:01.780 convention center then came out with their own posts saying it's a dang shame what the world's

01:09:07.960 gotten to for customers of the world famous cotton Joe. Many times we show, we say a show has been

01:09:14.500 canceled due to circumstances beyond our control. Well, we are canceling the Oliver Anthony show under our

01:09:20.600 full control. And they are pointing out that the reason that the tickets went up is because and Oliver

01:09:27.460 Anthony had agreed to for an hour long show at 12, $120,000 fee. So they ran the math. They said,

01:09:37.400 look, and, and I'm sorry folks, but if you haven't run a public event before, and we all know that

01:09:43.140 Charlie Kirk has run a million of these things, you don't, you just don't appreciate everything that goes

01:09:49.620 into it. The overhead, the size of the venue, the insurance security, all of the little pieces,

01:09:56.300 the moving parts, the vendors that you need to pay when you're running into these things.

01:10:00.340 And so we were basically saying, look, if this guy wants us to drop our ticket cost without

01:10:05.720 dropping the cost that he's agreed to be paid when we come out from this thing, then what he's really

01:10:12.740 trying to do is make us lose money on a contract that he's already made with us. And of course,

01:10:20.740 Oliver Anthony now has come back saying, Hey, I didn't know this. This isn't my fault. This was

01:10:26.160 a miscommunication. But, but Charlie, I don't know. And I know you've run a lot of events before. I know

01:10:32.020 you've dealt with situations like this. I'd really interested to hear you read on it.

01:10:35.920 Yeah. No, I, I, I'm, I'm on, I'm not on Oliver Anthony's side because he produces noise, not

01:10:41.760 music. But beyond that, the part here that really bothers me, this is such, this is, this is someone

01:10:48.120 who is almost thinking like, I'm not saying is thinking like a trained Marxist that does not

01:10:53.200 understand incentives, understand how markets work quite honestly. Yep. So here's a guy that comes in.

01:11:00.040 He's like, well, I demand $120,000. That's not an unreasonable ask, by the way, that's actually

01:11:04.800 a pretty fair rate, but simultaneously I'm going to price control the tickets and I'm going to

01:11:10.440 basically centrally plan and intervene with the person that is then going to run all the

01:11:15.380 production. And so they say, wait, what, hold on a second. We have to charge a certain amount

01:11:19.320 because there's facility costs, there's security, there's ticketing, there's AV, there's insurance,

01:11:24.480 not easy, not cheap. We're doing it literally right now. So the equivalent would be, you know,

01:11:28.620 with some of the speakers that we pay, they don't get to come in and tell me what I get

01:11:32.120 to charge. Sorry. That's not once I sign your contract and I pay you like once what we're

01:11:37.640 agreed to, then, you know, you're, you're, you're done. And in a good way, right? Like

01:11:41.860 we will pay you what we're agreed to do. And then we'll go from there. You don't get to come

01:11:45.820 in and all of a sudden call shots and be like, well, I want this to be a working class thing.

01:11:49.020 Well then wave your fee, Oliver Anthony, wave your $120,000 fee, right? Or do the show for

01:11:54.500 free. And so I'm completely on the side of the event organizers here.

01:11:58.500 These are hard to put on. These are, these are energy intensive. These are risky by the

01:12:03.140 way. I mean, for example, I don't know if this planned to be an outdoor event, but if

01:12:07.080 it was going to be an outdoor event, you know, bad weather could cancel the event. You know,

01:12:10.280 you could have traffic problems, parking problems. I mean, just, you guys know, act con, we had

01:12:14.480 the secret service completely and totally, um, you know, obliterate our events. And we had

01:12:20.100 to deal with that, that this, you stay up all night in the days that lead up to it, right?

01:12:25.080 You're constantly dealing with customer service problems. And as we run these events, right?

01:12:30.560 You start to learn that the, the appreciation of putting them on is completely, it's, it's

01:12:37.220 not, you know, it's not lost on those of us that do it. But I look at this Oliver Anthony

01:12:42.480 thing and I, and I, I can't help but think that, you know, this, this guy's thinking like

01:12:48.000 the very same people we were fighting, which is like a Marxist, which is, he says, give

01:12:52.320 me all my money and then I'm going to price control the tickets for the rest of them.

01:12:56.120 So, and that, that's an, that's a real Marxist, by the way, that's a real Marxist, right?

01:13:00.260 Because a real Marxist isn't someone who's going to give away anything for free. A real

01:13:04.100 Marxist is going to get rich. Um, there's, there's a, there's a John Lennon line where,

01:13:09.000 um, in, in this playboy famous playboy interview that he gave before he was murdered. And they,

01:13:14.040 they asked him a question about, you know, well, you sing all these songs about no possessions

01:13:18.240 and no borders and, you know, but you've got, you know, multiple houses, you've got your,

01:13:23.240 your, your penthouse in New York, you've got millions and millions of dollars. You know,

01:13:28.500 why don't, why don't you share any of your money? And, and, and John Lennon responds to

01:13:33.120 the interview and he says, well, no, that's different. That's my money. I earned that.

01:13:37.160 So I earned that money. Your money should be spread around.

01:13:40.960 There there's going to be a delay. It's very easy to be generous with other people's money,

01:13:46.400 right? So it's easy for Oliver Anthony to say the working class guy. And now in reality,

01:13:51.040 he's actually depriving his fans from having a great experience to be able to see him because

01:13:57.720 he wanted the price control and say, Oh, you know, I, I think that this is, you know,

01:14:02.260 this costs too much. And so while he's railing against the rich men of, you know, the wealthy

01:14:08.160 man North of Richmond or whatever his whole thing is, which I think there's some fair wisdom in his

01:14:13.560 piece. It's honestly a very well composed piece. It just doesn't sound very good. It's all about

01:14:18.400 resentment. And it's also, this is one of the reasons where we have to be very careful not to

01:14:25.540 allow the, the destruction of markets just based on any sort of seed of resentment that this could

01:14:34.860 have been an above all winner for all people. The event organizer could have won. Oliver Anthony

01:14:40.320 would have gotten paid. People had, would have had a wonderful experience and said, there's no event

01:14:43.860 whatsoever. And Oliver, I don't know, do we have this tape tape him of him now speaking out? And he

01:14:49.860 has no idea what he's talking about, honestly. And so by the way, why doesn't Oliver Anthony just go

01:14:54.680 do a concert for free? Why doesn't Oliver Anthony, since it's such a cultural phenomenon. Why doesn't

01:14:59.940 Oliver Anthony just go to Richmond and go get a free speech permit with his guitar and just go give

01:15:07.240 a free concert for the people, man? Play cut 104. I had to pull off on the side of the road and make

01:15:14.560 this video. I'm, uh, my adrenaline's pumping, man. I'm pissed off right now. And don't buy Cotton Eye

01:15:21.520 Joe tickets for $99 a piece. And sure as hell don't buy VIP passes for whatever bullshit price they're

01:15:26.980 on. Um, I have a buddy of mine who's not a booking agent. He's a friend of mine. He's a full-time plumber

01:15:32.780 and I'm trying to hire him full-time as my booking agent. And, uh, he agreed to this show, I guess,

01:15:39.060 without asking for what the ticket prices are. Um, don't pay $100 for a ticket. That's horse shit.

01:15:45.080 Uh, if we've got to cancel the venue and play somewhere else, we will. Uh, I didn't agree to it

01:15:50.320 and I don't want you to pay it. So please don't just, I'm just trying to get the word out now. It's

01:15:54.040 I don't know when the event got posted, but just wait, hold on a second. Then why are you charging

01:16:01.200 $120,000? Do you understand any economics at all? Why don't you just go do it for free? So let me get

01:16:06.640 this straight. I want my $120,000, but don't go pay money to come here from me. So go do it for free.

01:16:14.460 This is Bernie Sanders as a younger ginger with a long beard is what this is playing a banjo,

01:16:21.240 banjo ginger. Bernie Sanders is what this is screaming about. Well, you know, this is BS

01:16:27.720 price is a hundred dollars is actually a pretty mainstream ticket price in America is actually

01:16:34.500 what this is. And he's saying, Oh no, don't pay this again. Mr. Anthony, why don't you go get a

01:16:42.760 free speech permit and go perform a free concert at Richmond? If you're really a man of the people

01:16:47.040 and you could have a little collection box and people would give you money because you want to

01:16:52.080 get paid. I have no problem with people getting paid. What I do have a big problem with is people

01:17:00.040 all of a sudden complaining that people want to pay you when you are charging to get paid. And with

01:17:07.760 zero understanding how multi-dimensional systems work incentives, ticketing, promotion, insurance,

01:17:16.340 all of it. Okay. You guys can take it from there or just on the flip side, the flip side of it. It's

01:17:22.500 like, don't, if you don't like a $100 price tag for a concert, you know, there's a, there's a radical

01:17:29.360 act that you can do. It's now I want to prepare everyone who's about to say this, but don't go,

01:17:35.220 don't go to the concert. If it's too expensive to you, watch a recording on YouTube, go do something

01:17:40.220 else, go to a movie, even a movie ticket will be like $30 cause it's Biden's America now, but like,

01:17:45.500 just literally do anything else you want. You mean these tickets for like these rock people from the

01:17:50.860 60s that boomers like are all like $700 a piece now. So a hundred dollars isn't even that expensive,

01:17:56.160 but it's all just, it's all just very stupid. Well, listen, here, here's what, what stood out

01:18:04.000 to me and, and hat tip to Cernovich for calling this out. But if you read Oliver Anthony's tweet

01:18:09.920 about it, he goes, cotton. I it's very deceptive. This is to Charlie's point. It's written totally

01:18:16.020 like a Marxist. Cotton eyed Joe claims we are charging people 120,000 per show. They have

01:18:22.800 since turned their comment off, but I want to clarify the most I've ever made on a show is

01:18:28.180 $35,000. We've done two shows in North Carolina that were completely free and have another show,

01:18:33.920 free show scheduled September 30, 23rd in Kentucky for a cancer benefit. Cernovich's reply was amazing.

01:18:41.560 He says cotton. I Joe did not claim he's charging people 120,000 to show. They said, that's the deal

01:18:47.600 they made. Notice he did not deny that he deflects by mentioning other shows and, uh, and free shows

01:18:53.640 irrelevant. This is how they avoid the truth. I totally, totally agree. He doesn't deny it.

01:18:59.760 The event was canceled, so he didn't have to say I was going to get paid that much. Um, so now he's

01:19:04.060 just, he's caught between a rock and a hard place and he can't even, because he thinks he has to be a man

01:19:09.060 of the people. Yeah, go ahead. But no, I just want to say, I mean, how does he think that these

01:19:14.440 events happen exactly? If you demand $120,000, this shows that Oliver Anthony is not a very smart

01:19:21.000 person. Okay. How does he exactly think all the incentive structures were? How do you rent the

01:19:25.720 venue? And by the way, you cannot, and you will not do an event if you don't make money. Okay. Jack

01:19:33.920 told me to stop and lay off. Jack said it's where Oliver Anthony has been, uh, properly handled.

01:19:39.540 Well, no, here's the thing. Here's the question. You want to talk about the workers? What about the

01:19:44.580 people who work for the venue? What about the bartenders? What about the security guards? What

01:19:50.040 about the production crew? What, where do you think the money comes from? Oliver Anthony banjo Bernie?

01:19:56.940 Where do you think all the money comes from? Okay. It comes from the ticket holders. It comes from the

01:20:03.660 ticket buyers. It comes from the people who, by the way, are willing to spend more to do a meet and

01:20:10.140 greet with you, get a selfie with you. Have you maybe record a little video with them or something?

01:20:15.640 That's where the money comes from to get all of those people. It's not just about you, bro.

01:20:22.620 If you notice every single video he makes, it seems to be about himself and talking about

01:20:26.640 how I'm for the people I'm for the people, but it's really not about the people because

01:20:31.700 you wouldn't actually take the time to understand how any of these productions work or have even a

01:20:39.320 little bit of just humility, just basic humility over understanding that you're walking into a

01:20:46.360 situation that a lot of people have walked into before. A lot of people have put a lot of work,

01:20:51.260 a lot of reputations, a lot of credibility on the line, and you're now deciding you're going to

01:20:56.440 dictate to them that what the terms are going to be and how things are going to go. So that's fine.

01:21:02.320 I mean, if you want to charge $25 a head, that's great. Go do what you're going to do, but just

01:21:06.780 understand that you're going to be playing at a different tier of venue, a different size of crowd,

01:21:13.040 a different amount of people, because that's just the way the world works. And you can't change

01:21:19.320 the way the world works just because you wish you want it so bad. I'm sorry. That's Karl Marx.

01:21:26.280 That's communism. That is literally going and taking money away from people that would otherwise,

01:21:32.440 otherwise have to spend it. You're trying to squeeze people because of your own ego. It's

01:21:38.020 all about your own ego, dude. This guy's ego is bigger than his beard. And the beard is very big.

01:21:43.280 It's quite large. It's, it's, it's, it is also quite Marxian, by the way.

01:21:50.860 Yeah. Do we have that, by the way, can we put it up here? Let's put up a 105. Has anyone ever seen

01:21:56.700 Karl Marx and Oliver Anthony at the same place, same time? They haven't. It's never happened.

01:22:00.660 That is cunning resemblance. Das Kapital is going to be his next, his next, his next song is going

01:22:09.200 to be the workers of the world. Unite against the bourgeoisie, the bourgeoisie of Appalachia

01:22:17.440 by Oliver Anthony. Final thoughts, guys.

01:22:24.420 I would just say, be careful, be careful who you put your trust in. Be careful who you put your faith

01:22:30.480 in. People are always going to come around flavor of the month, flash in the pan, and you should not

01:22:36.700 trust people just because they are good actors, good painters, good musicians. Look, I love liberals.

01:22:45.840 I think liberals are great. I think liberals are wonderful. I want liberals in my society. I want

01:22:52.060 them painting nice pictures. I want them making food. I want them styling hair, doing fashion. I don't

01:23:00.800 want them running anything. I don't want them in charge of the military. I don't want them in charge of

01:23:05.180 businesses. I don't want them in charge of police, but I think there's definitely a place for those

01:23:10.600 with the artist's soul, just as long as they understand their place.

01:23:19.680 I don't want liberals in my society.

01:23:25.020 I was waiting for who was going to say that. Final thoughts are, I'm never going to forget Banjo,

01:23:31.000 Ginger, Bernie Sanders. That's a line that's going to stick with me. Bravo, Charlie.

01:23:37.540 His ego is bigger than his beard. Here's the deal. I actually was sort of supportive of this guy when

01:23:41.780 he first came out. I think when we first talked about it on the show, I gave him a pass. I was

01:23:46.400 like, listen, he's new to this. And maybe that's still the case. Maybe he doesn't understand how

01:23:51.020 these deals get made. I don't care. But for him to be, him just be like, it's more tonal for me.

01:23:57.940 He's like asserting the way, I don't know, something about it just strikes me as really

01:24:02.620 arrogant and self-important. And that's the part I don't like. And I think he's not passing the test

01:24:09.940 of how to handle a lot of attention. He's fumbling royally. And expect glowing write-ups in Salon

01:24:18.680 and Daily Beast as a result, unfortunately.

01:24:23.060 There is a, Jack, do you have any final thoughts? Because I have a couple as we wrap this up

01:24:28.180 tonight. Because there's something really deep here that I think that animates Oliver,

01:24:32.380 that Oliver, you just threw something out about hatred. I'll finish it.

01:24:36.740 About the type of people he hates. And I really like for you to get that out. But I think this is,

01:24:41.300 this is based on envy. This is based on anger. And it's looking at the world from a very negative

01:24:50.560 mindset. And it's a very negative mindset, a mindset of scarcity, not a mindset of abundance.

01:24:56.000 And I think that it's not, it's clearly not something that's in tune with what we need in

01:25:02.400 this country. I'm just going to say, I really hope he preys on this and changes his mind. I really do.

01:25:06.660 Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good. And that applies to both Oliver Anthony

01:25:12.480 and that Virginia delegate candidates, you know, well, online page.

01:25:18.720 Yeah. So I have to actually go in a second here, but I want to just prove it to you. Almost every

01:25:22.420 mainstream media outlet is coming to Oliver Anthony's defense. Every single one. As I proved last

01:25:26.960 time, Oliver Anthony cancels event over too high ticket prices. Not true. Not true. And just,

01:25:34.820 okay, a couple of things. It's very clear that Oliver Anthony hates people who owns the means

01:25:38.460 of production. George Orwell called himself a socialist for most of his life. And the more

01:25:43.860 he hung around socialists, he realized they were more animated by the hatred of the rich

01:25:48.560 than trying to take care of the poor. We have to be very careful that our heroes who might say a thing

01:25:58.200 or two to try to represent working people are not animated by trying to go after people who own

01:26:03.960 the means of production. I am all for representation for the working class, the white working class,

01:26:10.040 the black working class, all of it. I'm all for restoring the muscular class in this country.

01:26:16.300 But if we start to get in a direction where all of a sudden we're driven

01:26:18.940 by people that have deep seated envy, anger, resentment, like Oliver Anthony,

01:26:25.100 then we're going to be in a real tough spot and a bad spot actually, because I think deep down

01:26:29.700 Oliver Anthony hates people who start businesses, hates entrepreneurs. And that really is dangerous.

01:26:37.660 I reject that completely. There is a healthy balance between entrepreneurs who make the world

01:26:43.480 a better place and make the world work and the working class. That balance is a healthy one.

01:26:48.500 Oliver Anthony, he is Ginger Bernie Sanders with a banjo. And with that, we wrap up our conversation

01:26:56.180 tonight with Thought Crimes. Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. God bless you guys.

01:27:00.940 And we'll see you very soon.

01:27:02.260 Thank you.

01:27:18.500 Thank you.

01:27:32.260 Thank you.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 16, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 13 — Willard Romney's Revenge？ Dems Legitimizing Prostitution？ Oliver The Fake？

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