Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 136 — How Much for a Watch？ Flock Cameras？ Uber on Dates？

00:00:00.680 From the age of big brother.

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00:00:13.440 All right, folks, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all political persuasions. 0.99

00:00:29.920 Wawa supporters and Sheetzians? 0.99

00:00:33.040 We are now back. 0.99

00:00:34.300 All Wawa supporters. 1.00

00:00:35.560 Sheetzians.

00:00:36.340 No, we are, by the way, it's the Wawa Republic.

00:00:39.000 I want to be clear about that.

00:00:39.920 I'm wearing my Wawa shirt for those listening on the pod, and it is amazing.

00:00:45.900 It's a wonderful place.

00:00:47.320 Russ, by the way, who's here, we got Blake, we got Russ, we got Mike McCoy.

00:00:51.700 Russ had his first Wawa this last week.

00:00:55.560 Wow.

00:00:56.280 That's pretty cool.

00:00:57.300 And can we just be honest?

00:01:00.680 It's just cutie

00:01:13.680 Times this past week because I was in seven Springs, Pennsylvania

00:01:17.500 You're in the Pittsburgh area, right? Yeah, I was I was in Pittsburgh. I went to the world board game championships

00:01:22.100 100% only cool kids allowed at that, but we went to Sheetz and what I discovered at Sheetz is you guys know Uncrustables, normal Uncrustables?

00:01:30.020 Yeah, so they sell a brand of Uncrustables at Sheetz and they have Fluffernutter Uncrustables, so peanut butter and

00:01:36.780 Marshmallow, as well as peanut butter and honey and peanut butter and raspberry jam

00:01:40.700 So I tried all three of them because I am a decadent Uncrustables

00:01:44.500 She used to have this really good

00:01:46.500 This really good. They sell buffalo eggs. You guys ever tried buffalo eggs? Buffalo eggs? 0.99

00:01:52.100 So it was basically like hard-boiled eggs that had been somehow they they hard-boiled them in hot sauce

00:02:01.040 Wow

00:02:02.040 It was like a spicy hard-boiled egg. That's depraved. I don't like it. That's sickening and upsetting

00:02:10.360 It gets into the shell. I feel a little ill now

00:02:14.040 But I might eat one. I don't know exactly how they make them, but no

00:02:17.160 No, you don't know you don't buy with the shell. They're already shell

00:02:19.220 and then so it's like the egg itself is like red and then i've no again like i i'm not a i'm not 0.78

00:02:25.080 they like soak it it's like what the japanese do where they soak it in soy sauce the crazier thing

00:02:30.120 i'm imagining is like what if there was some way they could make it so it was a hard-boiled egg and 0.86

00:02:35.920 the yolk was like spicy buffalo sauce flavored wow something the chinese can genetically modify i 0.99

00:02:42.360 will say if the chinese can pull this one off i will probably submit to beijing and we i shall 1.00

00:02:47.500 join their new modern tribute tributary system the noises their uh their proper culinary 0.85

00:02:54.240 appreciation all right so first topic jack you were very you were very amped up you're very

00:03:00.020 passionate about this one and we do we were saying as we all should be this show is named

00:03:05.300 thought crime so we should probably engage with a story that involves literal thought crime and

00:03:11.660 it's related offense word crime we're talking about shiloh hendrix of course that is a woman

00:03:18.220 who went unfortunately viral about a year ago because she got in a confrontation with someone 0.98

00:03:24.680 a stranger at a playground and she did do the unforgivable sin of the post 2020 age which is

00:03:31.360 she said a naughty word and so she was indicted and taken to court jack you can take it from here

00:03:37.680 Yeah, so this was a really interesting case and I think we've all kind of covered

00:03:42.840 it on our respective shows.

00:03:46.840 And there was an interesting question that we got in over the week and I kind of want

00:03:52.740 to just sort of hash it out because I got this in from, you know, conservatives and

00:03:58.440 people saying, and particularly, and I'm just going to say it, I'm just going to say it,

00:04:02.300 particularly got the question in from some women who were saying, I don't understand

00:04:06.580 how what she did is okay i don't understand why you would defend someone who did what she did

00:04:11.700 i don't understand why we're getting behind somebody like this and and i said well first

00:04:16.340 of all it's about freedom of speech like that's number one we don't put people in jail for words

00:04:23.060 which are you know thought crime word crime we don't do that we just don't do that but specifically

00:04:28.420 she wanted to know and people were asking why is it that why is it that this isn't a criminal act

00:04:36.740 and one of the big pieces there and Blake I'll throw it to you because I know you know the

00:04:41.160 details is she was not convicted for anything to do with the child she was acquitted of anything

00:04:49.620 to do with the child she was convicted of this um uh what do they call it it was a disturbing

00:04:56.440 the case disorderly conduct no it literally was that jack that the streamer the context of this

00:05:02.920 is she has this stranger get in her face recording her telling her say this specific thing say this

00:05:11.120 specific word and so she does and she is the one who is criminally charged as a result that is the

00:05:18.980 man who confronted her who you know actually let's just go let's get uh brian carolus is the free

00:05:24.560 speech lawyer he was representing her he had an incredibly viral response to it very energetic

00:05:29.240 let's play that full clip but just before we play the clip if we can uh i just want to be clear

00:05:34.800 about this that just she was acquitted of any of the activity to the child the jury said not guilty

00:05:44.500 toward the child so for people asking that oh but she you know she called a child the n-word

00:05:49.540 she was acquitted. She was acquitted of disorderly conduct. She was only convicted

00:05:54.540 of the activity towards the streamer, the Somali TikTok streamer.

00:06:01.800 Egregious, egregious. But let's let the attorney do it. He got very amped up. There's not many 1.00

00:06:06.220 times where an attorney getting fired up is really great content, but it was this time.

00:06:10.620 Let's play clip three. Let's make something clear here. Let's make something very clear.

00:06:16.180 she's acquitted not guilty right not guilty with the child the state reads a what a five minute

00:06:26.940 victim impact statement about the child she was acquitted about the child she's convicted on the

00:06:34.780 count involving the cameraman who they never called to testify keep this in mind they never

00:06:42.640 called the cameraman to testify. This judge prohibited us from telling the jury that Jamali

00:06:51.460 Shire Jamali had a GoFundMe page $340,000. He testified that it was done in May last year done.

00:07:04.140 That's not true. There's a link on the bottom of the page that goes to another open account.

00:07:10.420 my investigator hit the link last night donated ten dollars it's open you can donate right now

00:07:18.740 you can donate right now to shire jamali's gofund page right now it's open he testified

00:07:26.420 under oath and perjured himself he perjured himself over and over and over and over again

00:07:32.800 i think we need to shut down gofundme what we need to shut down is the state of minnesota

00:07:39.660 because it's

00:07:41.280 every detail of the story

00:07:46.000 is basically like, of course this took place in Minnesota

00:07:48.060 the number one

00:07:49.020 I think Minnesota must generate the most content of any state for thought crime stuff

00:07:52.440 before we get too outraged

00:07:53.660 I just want to, again, I want to try to do this

00:07:55.980 explain the situation

00:07:57.920 so we can clearly explain why we're so outraged

00:08:00.580 she is acquitted

00:08:02.860 for any of the activity

00:08:04.660 towards the child

00:08:05.460 she's convicted of the activity

00:08:07.980 towards the TikTok streamer,

00:08:10.500 who, by the way, was screaming at her while filming her.

00:08:15.800 And she doesn't threaten him.

00:08:19.920 She doesn't advance on him.

00:08:22.560 She's actually walking away.

00:08:23.900 She's holding her child in her arms

00:08:26.260 while she's walking away.

00:08:28.080 And he is the one clearly, clearly provoking her.

00:08:34.020 and that is like to me it just seems so crazy because like you could you could almost see if

00:08:41.980 the charge went the other way i could maybe see some people's um you know i could see some people's

00:08:48.460 reaction being the way that it was like well you did that to a kid but she was acquitted for the

00:08:53.080 the activity towards the kid she was completely acquitted so that to me number one on its face

00:08:58.560 i don't think we should be charging people for speech that's that's first and foremost but second

00:09:02.580 The verdict itself makes no sense.

00:09:05.280 Sorry.

00:09:05.840 So please, let's outrage away.

00:09:09.200 Yeah, I agree.

00:09:11.140 I agree.

00:09:11.960 This culture that we're in right now where the no-no words has just,

00:09:18.760 it's gotten out of hand, and we're now seeing it with multiple things.

00:09:23.360 But it's not just no-no words because he says the word

00:09:26.500 and he was not charged at all.

00:09:29.480 Yeah.

00:09:29.720 I mean, what it really is, is that actually, if you want to get into it, it's like, it's practically like feudal hierarchy of privilege. It's sort of like in feudal Japan, a samurai can carry a katana around, but a peasant could not carry a katana around. And so certain bad words, they're the katana.

00:09:45.680 Yeah, so if you're white, you're a second-class citizen. 0.80

00:09:48.760 If you're white, and that's why I said that it's anti-white, because this is a law or a rule, right, that applies to the white race in a way that it applies differently to other races. 0.94

00:10:00.160 And that's not what we do in this country. 0.92

00:10:02.280 That's just not what we're supposed to be about.

00:10:04.780 We're supposed to be colorblind, and we're supposed to be everyone is treated the same by the same standard.

00:10:09.440 So you can't have one standard for one race and one standard for another race.

00:10:13.940 It just doesn't track.

00:10:14.800 yeah mikey i mean they're yeah i mean the left is the one that that tells us that simultaneously

00:10:22.980 we need to be colorblind and then also see color and then whenever a white person you know does

00:10:29.020 see color or kind of use just the common denominator of you know mentioning things 0.55

00:10:35.520 crime rates things like that all of a sudden they're the evil person but like what you brought

00:10:39.960 up earlier you can do the most egregious disgusting debaucherous thing in the united states

00:10:45.440 as a leftist and then say that you are innocent blame it on the white person and all of a sudden 0.60

00:10:51.500 have millions of dollars raised for you in a gofundme account and i just think that that like

00:10:56.680 it's scary more so just for the future of our country that like we actually have people that

00:11:02.200 are completely blinded like not just we have it on our side too but there's a like millions of

00:11:08.000 people that genuinely think that this guy is innocent that that this woman is insane that

00:11:14.480 like it's crazy but it goes beyond that like there's people that murder people

00:11:19.400 and they're the ones that that are innocent and the people that were murdered are the ones

00:11:24.820 that are guilty they're the ones how much money did carmelo anthony raise

00:11:29.400 no exactly hundreds of thousands although i thought it was way more i thought it was way

00:11:33.980 more possibly over a million yeah so check that out see if you can find it but looking what i

00:11:38.440 will say is i actually feel in a weird way this is a this is a white pill moment uh in that yes

00:11:45.320 she got charged with a crime that i don't think you would have seen much in the past but the

00:11:48.780 reason you would have seen this before is you didn't have tiktok streamers as a profession

00:11:52.700 you didn't have everyone going around with a camera and immediately videotaping everyone all

00:11:56.700 the time i think if you did i think you actually would have seen a ton of this in the 2000s in the

00:12:01.860 bush years in the obama years it actually would have been pretty common to see attempts at that

00:12:06.140 sort of thing what stands out to me about this case is that like let's be frank her behavior was

00:12:11.340 not very great you shouldn't probably yell the n-word at a child i'll be frank and but that

00:12:17.520 people were still able to maintain their composure and say that doesn't matter what matters is they 0.72

00:12:22.540 charged her for a crime basically because of her race and sex they wanted to go get a becky get a 0.99

00:12:29.020 Karen. And they charged her with a, what is essentially a thought crime? What is a speech 0.76

00:12:33.980 crime that this is unconstitutional and we should oppose it. Even if we would say you shouldn't do

00:12:38.860 that sort of behavior period. And people pretty quickly aligned that way. And I think that is a

00:12:45.080 change from where we would have been even five or six years ago. You guys probably remember 2020 and

00:12:50.420 how overwrought people would get about systemic racism and everything else. And we are at the

00:12:56.900 point where we have learned to stand up against bullying in that vein and say that this is

00:13:01.280 unacceptable behavior and in this case we lost at trial and there's going to need to be an appeal

00:13:07.120 and it might not even end the way we want it to but we've finally gotten people to the point where

00:13:11.340 they understand what we're supposed to believe what we're supposed to argue that freedom of

00:13:15.600 speech includes the right to say mean things in an argument in public and we can push back on this

00:13:20.900 i think that is a good change it's the sort of change certainly that charlie fought for yeah

00:13:25.360 A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

00:13:28.180 So that's my white pill take on what is, you know, not a very fun story overall.

00:13:31.320 Well, it's like, it's like, this is, this is the one that's going to produce the backlash.

00:13:36.160 This is the one that hopefully we come back and we say, you know, just as a group of people,

00:13:40.620 no, you, you can't. And by the way, she got a 90 day suspended sentence. 0.78

00:13:43.760 So if she does anything to violate the terms of her probation, she can go to jail. 0.99

00:13:47.860 She can actually go to jail for saying a word. And I don't want to live in that country.

00:13:52.820 And so what I would say to the folks and good people and fans of the program who wrote in with the question, I would say, look, I get where you're coming from.

00:14:03.240 And I do think that obviously the behavior on all sides was rude.

00:14:08.040 And by the way, she is not the one who started that.

00:14:10.220 Shiloh Hendricks did not start that situation at all and would be very clear about that to everyone.

00:14:15.620 And at the same time, though, I don't want to live in a country where in the UK, right, where I just came back from.

00:14:22.820 that 13,000 people a year are arrested for speech crimes.

00:14:28.060 Yeah.

00:14:28.340 13,000.

00:14:29.340 Did you guys know it was that high?

00:14:31.020 No, I didn't even know it was 13,000.

00:14:33.000 It's 13,000.

00:14:34.260 And some of these, it's just like, I should say, some of them are fines, like it's not

00:14:39.460 a full arrest, but like you can be fine, fines and everything else.

00:14:42.500 I met with Lucy Connelly.

00:14:44.200 And if you guys remember Lucy Connelly, her story was, she had made that post after the

00:14:49.740 South Hampton stabbings when three little girls were hacked to death at a Taylor Swift

00:14:56.640 like dance party thing. 0.97

00:14:59.760 And just little girls were just hacked to death by this Muslim migrant. 1.00

00:15:04.580 And you know, she made a post just saying, you know, we got to get them all. 1.00

00:15:08.500 We got to get them all out of here.

00:15:10.280 And you know, you know, maybe included some stuff about the hotels where they live as

00:15:14.760 well. 0.97

00:15:15.920 And she was locked up. 1.00

00:15:16.920 She got a three year sentence for that.

00:15:18.420 I don't think she started the full three years, but she was locked up and put in jail.

00:15:22.280 She's a mother.

00:15:24.360 And I met her and she's a sweet lady.

00:15:26.020 And again, that was a Facebook post.

00:15:28.660 That was a post that, you know, she was, you know, could it be moderated?

00:15:33.380 Could it be, you know, taken down, whatever, you know, that those are all things we can

00:15:37.480 talk about.

00:15:38.480 But the idea of which I also don't stand for, by the way, but the idea that you would put

00:15:44.620 someone behind bars for speech. It just runs against everything, everything that we have

00:15:50.940 fought for as a country for the first amendment. And by the way, the first amendment is about

00:15:56.700 tolerating political speech that you don't like. That's actually what the word tolerance means.

00:16:02.340 You don't tolerate things that you like, you tolerate things that you don't like.

00:16:05.500 Right. And so even though tolerance is not a Christian virtue, but that's a whole different 0.82

00:16:08.280 discussion that the idea being though for freedom of speech, it's about speech you disagree with.

00:16:13.780 It's about speech that you disagree with.

00:16:15.840 And guys, you know, I'm sure we can all say this, that we saw in the wake of Charlie's murder, we saw horrific things stated online and in person and about our friend.

00:16:27.740 And people faced certainly face consequences for that.

00:16:31.760 But I don't recall a single one of us ever saying something like, oh, that person should be in jail for that post.

00:16:38.200 No, because it's just not who we are.

00:16:40.320 Not once.

00:16:40.740 that's a good point jack all right i've been thinking about this i love it yes lovely all

00:16:48.580 right so we actually had a related thought that one of the things i stood out is that

00:16:52.460 she would get she's getting prosecuted for this in part because we live in the modern panopticon

00:16:57.160 there's always people everyone has a cell phone has a camera has a video recorder and they're

00:17:01.980 happy to pull it out and start recording whenever anything happens basically but we're increasingly

00:17:08.020 towards the reality where

00:17:09.620 everywhere is being recorded at all

00:17:12.200 times. Gentlemen, it's time to

00:17:14.160 debate Flock

00:17:15.980 Cameras. We actually got a question

00:17:18.280 about this during the AMA last week,

00:17:20.080 but Jack wasn't on the AMA, so

00:17:22.020 we're going to revisit it. Also, you guys weren't on the AMA.

00:17:24.420 You should join sometime.

00:17:26.400 It's time to revisit Flock

00:17:27.920 Cameras. Everyone here knows that

00:17:29.980 Flock Cameras are, right? For those who don't

00:17:32.100 who are listening, Flock Cameras...

00:17:34.000 I think we should always try to explain

00:17:35.900 thing like whatever something is we're doing we're doing so yeah so flock cameras they are a uh a

00:17:41.460 startup company a tech related startup company they make cameras and okay we've had surveillance

00:17:46.280 cameras forever what's different about these is it's the fusion of camera technology with as you'd

00:17:52.860 expect ai technology the ability to read things on their own collect and assemble data on their own

00:17:59.700 and so what flock cameras are able to do for example is they're able to log every license plate

00:18:05.500 that comes by on a street

00:18:07.360 and then put it into a database

00:18:09.160 what license plates went along this street

00:18:11.500 on this day and put it into

00:18:13.540 gigantic spreadsheets so that

00:18:15.640 law enforcement can go back and look at them later

00:18:17.760 the limiting factor

00:18:19.600 on closed circuit television

00:18:21.860 or any other security footage always used to be

00:18:23.880 you had to actually go back and watch

00:18:26.000 the footage if you wanted to get anything out of it

00:18:28.020 and they usually deleted it especially back

00:18:30.000 in the day it was on tapes they would just reuse the same tapes

00:18:31.940 so you couldn't go back and look at something

00:18:34.100 six months later we are now at the point and they're rolling this out in cities where oh the

00:18:39.760 cops decide that they have a suspect maybe there's a vehicle they're interested in they can go flock

00:18:44.700 which is a private company and say tell us everything about this in this car this model

00:18:50.780 this license plate and they can tell you everywhere that car is driven in the past six months past

00:18:56.620 year possibly ever once there's been enough data and it's all going to be compiled they'll know

00:19:01.780 its patterns of movement throughout the city what are days where it wasn't driving where it would

00:19:05.820 normally be driving just vast amounts of information all coming from from this tech

00:19:11.960 company and being saved by this tech company and being shared with the government and so people

00:19:15.880 are losing their minds and they've decided that their form of i think modern slavery is what some

00:19:20.680 people have said yeah other people are flipping out and they are destroying the cameras we may

00:19:25.420 have people who destroy the cameras go on trial and then are just acquitted because people say

00:19:29.640 yeah smash those cameras that's really cool so how do we feel are we pro flock camera or are we

00:19:37.260 anti i'm very anti-flock you're anti-flock you're breaking away from the flock it's exactly yeah

00:19:44.200 true um yeah no i think they're flocking this way i think flock cameras are another version of

00:19:52.840 essentially the what we saw with prism where the government was able to access uh a lot of data

00:20:02.000 without being able with with essentially no jurisdiction on what they had to do with it

00:20:08.200 they could do whatever they wanted with it um and when we look at even the biden era when we look at

00:20:15.040 instagram facebook all of these companies gave the government a back door and were able to censor

00:20:21.740 anybody so it's like yes flock is a private company but how do we know that the government

00:20:28.840 doesn't have a backdoor that they can just use this data for whatever they want yeah and then

00:20:33.860 at what point and what type of um what type of mass casualty event or um what type of mass

00:20:43.780 casualty event is going to happen where all of a sudden the government goes actually uh we're

00:20:48.800 gonna take control of this so that's that's where my that's where my brain goes when it comes to

00:20:53.900 this kind of stuff and that's where i am very anti uh flock all right is anyone pro flock jack are

00:20:59.860 you pro flock i'm 100 pro flock for blue cities for blue cities all right build this out build

00:21:07.200 this out for us well they deserve it they deserve it they just like like are we declaring philadelphia

00:21:13.160 Punish for the city of Philadelphia city Philadelphia right here totally deserves slot cameras everywhere. These slippery slope you got to understand 0.52

00:21:20.600 Sorry, that's a slippery slope though

00:21:24.860 Have you done what about crime ridden have you seen how bad the crime is and he said that's

00:21:33.260 There's red sure

00:21:35.260 So that was my thought is people point out yeah

00:21:37.720 It can help with crime in bad cities, but the easiest way to help with crime in any of these bad cities would be to

00:21:41.940 enforce the laws and prosecute people like the problem in philadelphia is not that they cannot

00:21:48.920 catch criminals the problem in philadelphia is that they have a da who affirmatively is pro-crime

00:21:54.400 who actively fires effective prosecutors releases people who are obviously guilty

00:21:59.540 but but again it's it's going to be something where it's another tool that that is needed

00:22:06.880 to be able to fight the crime and and possibly by the way there are for example one of the issues

00:22:13.800 with larry kramer that you just brought up there excuse me larry krasner larry kramer is a different

00:22:19.080 guy um larry krasner i think larry kramer is the guy named the guy in the uh in uh bonfire of the

00:22:23.840 vanities um which i've always said they're kind of similar and um that krasner was just slapped

00:22:31.200 down by the pennsylvania state supreme court and said that all of his rulings because they've been

00:22:35.600 so just blatantly riddled with false, um, he's a source DA and with like falsities and mistruths

00:22:42.540 that now all of his decisions need to be secondarily viewed by the attorney general of Pennsylvania

00:22:49.520 who happens to be a Republican.

00:22:52.380 And so, uh, there are ways in, you know, in a state like that, where you've got Republicans

00:22:57.940 say at the state level that can actually overview these things and say like, okay, well, this

00:23:02.760 is obviously a lie and i know it's a lie because i can see the footage on the fly camera

00:23:06.320 yeah i mean i am so it could be a check on the da i am pro flock camera in concept you're pro

00:23:16.260 so even in gen okay well hold on let me explain this a little bit i'm pro in that if it were to

00:23:23.900 achieve its objective which like picture for a second somebody robs a bank and then they immediately

00:23:28.760 hit a freeway they're running away like flock cameras can find them instantaneously somebody

00:23:33.620 commits a murder they found the car they know who it belongs to they run the plates they can find

00:23:38.300 them they know who's going they know what direction he was headed in you know so somebody whatever it

00:23:43.160 is like you can crack down on crime really really fast um and it's actually not like it's not easy

00:23:50.340 for like law enforcement to crack down on stuff really fast i mean they have like 20 tips that

00:23:55.440 immediately come in and then they have to verify all 20 while simultaneously like taking evidence

00:24:00.120 from the crime scene and also like running dna and all these things and so to like remove

00:24:05.920 different situations and have it cut down like that is good in concept um however like powerful

00:24:12.800 tools in the hands of of bad and evil men like throughout the years even charlie's stance like

00:24:18.160 on the death penalty had changed from pro anti i remember asking him like why at one point why

00:24:22.880 were you anti and he was like well i'm pro and the fact that's a good thing i'm anti and the fact

00:24:29.260 that evil men can use it for evil purposes um and so like flock cameras think like january 6th right

00:24:35.840 i'm anti because under the biden administration they were like finding these people they could

00:24:40.980 have found all of them like some of these people probably are like fine now because they waited the

00:24:45.440 four years and then president trump pardoned them right but they could have found all of them in

00:24:51.060 Very fast, too.

00:24:52.840 Also, the future of flock cameras is they're not just going to run license plates.

00:24:56.920 They're going to run facial recognition, too.

00:24:59.400 I mean, they're doing this in the streets of London.

00:25:00.800 But they did have surveillance at the Capitol, and they famously used geofencing.

00:25:06.480 100%.

00:25:07.240 But that's a sure.

00:25:08.540 They didn't have flock cameras.

00:25:10.140 They already had cameras there.

00:25:11.560 But then if flock cameras are all over the U.S., once they left D.C. and the government had to find them fast,

00:25:16.860 what if they moved, what if they have their parents' house, what if they are at a cabin, wherever they were?

00:25:21.060 like i truthfully jack like i know somebody that was no but they did though like they

00:25:25.940 okay but i i fed people like alaska and stuff i okay i'm saying though i know people that were at

00:25:31.800 you know january 6th and were at the capital they were not like in the capital and they were not

00:25:38.100 found in the four years of the biden administration and now they're like does that does that mean they

00:25:43.260 were not found or does that mean they were not prosecuted i am pro flock camera in that i want

00:25:48.400 it to do what its objective is i'm anti and that it's going to collect all this data on people

00:25:53.520 it's going to be easier for them to find you know people under an evil regime and then also like i

00:25:58.120 think during covid like when churches were shut down and like businesses were shut down like

00:26:03.020 there were some turning point employees that were showing up to work when they weren't allowed to

00:26:07.280 and like who's to say that flock cameras or like the state of arizona was going to track charlie's

00:26:13.380 car and be like you were going to work that's the exact thing i was thinking of is like you

00:26:18.520 were hosting home church i'm imagining yeah i'm imagining covid and they could say yeah we found

00:26:24.000 all these cars are going to this specific spot like you could just unleash the ai and say find

00:26:29.360 us examples where all these cars are going in the same direction even if there's no business there

00:26:33.300 and then they say yeah here is your home church yep or or even let's remember for example the

00:26:38.140 administration they had their fascination with uh traditional latin mass as a vector for terrorism

00:26:44.060 now imagine they go well let's find every car that drives to this place that's doing a latin mass

00:26:49.720 within the window where the latin mass is offered bam now we know every single person who goes to

00:26:54.000 the service and by the way i don't i don't just i don't disagree with anything you guys are saying

00:26:58.820 but but i do also just i i just i don't think you can put the toothpaste back in the tube

00:27:04.220 uh the the chinese communist party the nkvd um the the the stasi uh there have been regimes that did

00:27:11.820 things like this far before technology evil isn't a form of technology you're talking about like

00:27:18.320 squeezing before we continue on this debate we should we actually uh you know kairi sent us a

00:27:23.840 donation i'd never heard a flock until the ama please explain these things let's put up the map

00:27:29.060 we have eight this is all the flock cameras in the u.s throw that up number eight so this is

00:27:36.060 already how many of them we have even realized this is not a demo in a few cities they're already

00:27:41.720 basically everywhere i will note everywhere except the dakotas uh the dakotas remain the land of

00:27:46.660 freedom for us and then montana now let's go let's zoom in a bit let's do maricopa county

00:27:52.040 number nine and so this is the phoenix area you can see they're all along uh the major roads of

00:27:58.880 Phoenix. And let's zoom even further. This is the vicinity of TPUSA, sort of in South

00:28:05.000 Phoenix. So this is even just a few blocks. You can see we have a ton of flock cameras

00:28:10.180 right outside that strip club that's by the interstate. And the mall. And the mall. You

00:28:15.720 say and the mall, but no. The biggest cluster of them is the strip club. The biggest cluster

00:28:19.460 is that strip club. Yeah. But Jack, actually, I am, I agree with you. Like, I do like flock

00:28:25.840 cameras I want them in blue cities I also want like under the Trump administration we could use 0.99

00:28:31.380 flock cameras to track down every single illegal like migrant it's but like every bad one every 0.94

00:28:37.320 single one like whatever however we wanted to do it because we have certain data points that we can 0.80

00:28:42.060 use and like that is super useful I'm just I am it gets me scared though when I think of like COVID

00:28:48.840 and when I think of January 6th of course like the toothpaste is coming out of the tube flock

00:28:53.860 cameras like for lack of a better analogy like it just squeezes it out faster we already have

00:28:59.120 by the way go ahead jack no i was gonna say though like like in in beyond that right you

00:29:07.780 already like go back to shiloh hendrix right she's on video because a guy was standing there

00:29:12.480 and started filming her so i mean this mass surveillance even if the flat cameras were all

00:29:17.920 gone you're always going to be around someone who's got a cell phone next to you right totally

00:29:23.260 It's just always going to happen, and this idea, Scott Adams, he's talking about this, that privacy is going to be one of those things that has more, like, I was born with a certain level of privacy that Mikey was not born with, and soon to be a father, right?

00:29:41.280 Congrats, by the way.

00:29:42.520 Thank you.

00:29:43.080 Any day now.

00:29:43.900 Have you said the debate publicly?

00:29:46.900 It's soon, though, right?

00:29:47.540 Any day now.

00:29:48.620 Any day now.

00:29:49.600 Yeah. That's what I was going to say. You might have to run in the middle of the show, which would be great. And that's awesome. Celebrate our blessings. But point being is that your child is going to be born with even less privacy than you were.

00:30:03.640 And so Scott Adams just pointed out that it's just going to go away.

00:30:08.200 But what I would say though is, and this is sort of my general pushback, is that the idea

00:30:14.880 of whether or not these tools are used for good or for evil isn't because of the tool.

00:30:20.440 It's because of who's in charge of the government.

00:30:22.980 And this is where I think the libertarian argument fails because you're always going

00:30:27.100 to find someone who can be in charge of the government.

00:30:29.580 You can't just get away with it.

00:30:31.360 So the only way to respond is to take over the government.

00:30:35.120 So true.

00:30:36.080 For sure.

00:30:37.000 I totally agree.

00:30:39.080 I would say it is kind of a defeatist mindset to say,

00:30:43.620 oh, there's already too much toothpaste out of the bottle,

00:30:46.680 so we're just going to push the rest of the toothpaste.

00:30:50.240 No, no, I'm saying Flock Cameras.

00:30:51.860 There's a defeatist, it's pragmatic.

00:30:53.580 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:30:54.380 But that's to the point, like you said, January 6th.

00:30:57.960 We already have enough mass surveillance at this point that those people were being found wherever they went home to.

00:31:05.280 So let me ask you a question.

00:31:06.600 To me, it's like, why would we want to just continue that trend?

00:31:12.820 Okay, yeah.

00:31:13.240 Let me ask you a question.

00:31:14.140 Life is all about pros and cons.

00:31:15.740 For sure.

00:31:16.300 Yeah.

00:31:16.540 And then you oftentimes have to trade privacy for your security, right?

00:31:20.500 If you're somebody that needs security guards because you get death threats all the time, 24-7, your privacy is gone.

00:31:25.940 You have somebody in the car with you.

00:31:27.220 When you go to the bathroom, they're standing outside.

00:31:29.420 They're going to hear your fart noises, whatever it is.

00:31:31.820 Your privacy is gone.

00:31:33.160 You're uncomfortable, but at least you're secure.

00:31:35.400 And so my question to you is, do the pros outweigh the cons in that everyday criminals are going to get caught much faster?

00:31:42.720 Illegal migrants could be caught much faster. 0.91

00:31:45.200 Bank robbers can be caught much faster. 0.93

00:31:46.940 Murderers, on the small chance that the con is during COVID, during January 6th.

00:31:52.580 That's my problem.

00:31:53.520 I know, but I don't think I have the answer.

00:31:55.540 And so my question is, do the pros outweigh the cons?

00:31:58.320 My problem is I feel the risk of, as we'd say, anarcho-tyranny is higher

00:32:03.180 because I feel we already know we're in that.

00:32:05.740 Like, are we even bothering to prosecute the criminals we already catch with our current tech?

00:32:11.640 And the answer in so many blue cities is no.

00:32:14.220 We saw, for example, Irina Zarutska, stabbed to death by a guy, arrested repeatedly, never put behind bars.

00:32:19.840 We've had multiple murders in Fairfax County where there was one that really bothered me earlier this year.

00:32:25.540 I can't recall the name, but it was an individual

00:32:27.700 from abroad. I think he was from

00:32:29.660 Senegal. And

00:32:31.160 he is repeatedly arrested for

00:32:33.300 stabbing random people.

00:32:35.380 And we have the email where the police send

00:32:37.600 it to Steve Descano, the

00:32:39.420 Commonwealth Attorney for Fairfax, and say

00:32:41.500 can you please convict this guy and stop

00:32:43.380 releasing him? Because he keeps

00:32:45.200 randomly stabbing people. And

00:32:47.440 of course he was released anyway and 0.63

00:32:49.200 randomly stabbed someone to death. 0.69

00:32:51.160 Now that he's finally murdered someone, I guess 0.72

00:32:53.420 he'll go to prison. But

00:32:54.780 that's what we're facing is we already have the ability to arrest more criminals than our

00:33:01.240 progressive governing class is actually willing to put in prison long enough to keep us safe and

00:33:07.860 that means adding all of these flock cameras the chief purpose of them is not going to be to catch

00:33:14.400 those criminals because they don't care it's going to be to skin more tax cattle oh let's find

00:33:19.840 more people that we can find let's find more people who will be those as uh as um tom wolf

00:33:25.180 said the great white defendants you know the people they really want to be prosecuting i agree

00:33:29.300 so that's what i feel can i give i i'm gonna i'm gonna commit like a really really big thought

00:33:34.860 crime uh-oh well you're not in minnesota right now jack right no no i'm not i'm not okay safe

00:33:41.080 So this. So we've talked about and so, Blake, we've talked and obviously we've had Steve Saylor on the shows and talked about how the the the deaths of exuberance, particularly in cities with large black populations, have dramatically increased, not just in terms of murders, but also in terms of vehicular vehicular fatalities in 2020.

00:34:09.480 right yes of course but have you noticed that for example in the city of baltimore

00:34:17.040 the city of baltimore actually has seen a reduction in homicides yeah baltimore is incredibly safe

00:34:24.860 baltimore is ahead of the curve because of their new yeah because of their new program where where

00:34:30.500 basically what they're doing is they're just they're they're they're they're bucking the trend

00:34:35.220 and they're saying, okay, we're just going to arrest the most violent offenders and keep them

00:34:40.180 in jail. And they call it, I pulled it up. It's called focused deterrence and an approach known

00:34:46.140 as the group violence reduction strategy. It started in January, 2022, and it's specifically

00:34:52.280 focused on the high violence Western police district and later expanded citywide. And by the

00:34:57.400 way, we could go through and like talk about all the specifics of it, but it's just policing.

00:35:01.580 it's literally just they've changed

00:35:03.500 the mentality and said

00:35:05.260 we're just going to keep the people who are committing

00:35:07.540 the crimes locked up

00:35:08.420 sadly this is the big cycle because

00:35:11.220 this is what the fourth time we've been through that

00:35:13.520 and it's working

00:35:14.320 create a safe society and then go

00:35:16.860 why do we have all these punitive things they're putting these people

00:35:19.580 in jail for so long we could be more effective

00:35:21.700 if we focus on rehabilitation

00:35:23.840 do they have flock in Baltimore

00:35:25.440 oh the crime rate has exploded

00:35:27.720 what did you say Jack

00:35:28.700 Baltimore I'm talking about Baltimore

00:35:31.020 I don't know if they have, I don't know if they have flock, but like, but well, I mean,

00:35:35.940 I mean, I think it was every flipping city in the U S had flock cameras.

00:35:42.840 I'm seeing some flocksters there.

00:35:44.760 So they have, they have automated. 0.72

00:35:48.260 Okay.

00:35:48.660 So they have, they have a different system, but it's similar to flock.

00:35:51.620 It's automated vehicle tracking technology.

00:35:53.940 Well, okay.

00:35:54.760 So, but to that point, like to your point, they have something called clear instead of

00:36:01.000 flock instead of this mass surveillance right it's the what you just said the

00:36:08.400 the system is we need just policing we just need policing and they do use they do use a flock

00:36:17.600 system that it's it's called it's called clear it's just a different so but then the other the

00:36:22.220 other side to that also is that there are enough private companies that they have surveillance like

00:36:29.920 look at perfect example look at the tyler robinson case we have footage from uvu we have footage

00:36:36.980 from different places that are private entities that they have security turning point has security

00:36:45.300 so we have there's all there's enough i in my opinion there's enough

00:36:49.380 buildings companies you know in cities that have private uh surveillance that you can be able to

00:37:01.760 find people when something goes on so are you against competition i just i just don't i think

00:37:09.740 the problem that i what i think is that with i think this is just like looking at the competitor

00:37:14.560 really well no here's what i'm saying is like looking at the heat map it's taking over the

00:37:20.100 united it's we're getting more and more flock cameras in the united states now and wait actually

00:37:26.220 do we know do we know if that's a heat map of all flock safety or is that a heat map of like all

00:37:32.220 like police cameras it is def uh it's from d flock uh maps.org yeah because like yeah like i'm

00:37:42.800 looking it up right now and it is saying that baltimore does not use flock and yet i'm looking

00:37:46.740 at the map and pretty sure it looks like baltimore's there it i can see like yeah you could see dc

00:37:52.920 baltimore and philly north dakota got off line what's going on there so i think i think that's

00:37:59.660 probably just a list of a map of all cameras actually so deflock they're saying alpr so i

00:38:04.720 think it's the ai supported cameras and there might be several companies that do that or you

00:38:09.420 need some more cameras

00:38:10.840 that state's

00:38:13.640 a little too blue to not have more cameras

00:38:15.600 you know what I'm saying? No, but that's a population

00:38:17.560 map though. That's just a map of all

00:38:19.420 the high-density population centers. You can see if Portland's

00:38:21.560 got them, it's just everywhere else is nothing. I just

00:38:23.480 think we need to up policing and 0.98

00:38:25.600 everybody needs to conceal carry

00:38:27.240 and we'll be okay.

00:38:29.620 One last point before we move on

00:38:31.600 I do think it's funny since we brought up Baltimore

00:38:33.500 that in that annoying show

00:38:35.400 The Wire that everyone had to say was the best show

00:38:37.480 ever made for about a five-year period

00:38:40.040 There's a subplot where they improved the city.

00:38:43.040 Are you crapping on the wire right now?

00:38:44.260 Yes, I am. 0.83

00:38:44.740 I'm crapping on the wire.

00:38:45.680 There's a subplot where they improved the city with Hamsterdam, where they just legalized

00:38:49.780 drugs in a certain area, and it lowers crime dramatically.

00:38:52.840 And I'm getting to kick that. 0.99

00:38:53.700 That's what happened in that dumb lib show. 0.98

00:38:55.540 And then in real life, Baltimore is leading the way by lowering crime, by just grabbing 0.98

00:39:00.780 all the crime.

00:39:01.120 No, no, Hamsterdam is a huge, it's a huge, what are you talking about?

00:39:04.260 It was a huge disaster in the show.

00:39:05.640 Well, it's a huge disaster because everyone's like hooked on drugs and stuff.

00:39:08.400 But I believe the actual lowering, they portray it as lowering crime when they legalize drugs in Amsterdam.

00:39:13.500 I mean, they, you know, they, well, they claim that it did.

00:39:16.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.340 And then, and then in, I think that was season three.

00:39:20.480 And then in season four, they, you know, they're, they do have like a low crime area, but it, it was pretty bad.

00:39:28.520 And, and one of the, and, and if you want to get into real thought crime, it's because the people of Baltimore are actually a little bit different from the people of Amsterdam, as it turns out.

00:39:36.440 and that's why the drug policy there

00:39:38.400 does not work the same way it does in Amsterdam

00:39:40.060 alright well I can't be a full expert

00:39:42.520 on that because I'm only going second hand because I

00:39:44.420 never watched The Wire because I don't watch TV 0.72

00:39:46.480 because it crodes your brain

00:39:48.360 that's how it is

00:39:50.740 you watch TV

00:39:52.700 I don't watch TV

00:39:53.720 I watch like one season of TV a year

00:39:57.240 I watch The Odyssey

00:39:58.240 I sat through all three freaking hours of that

00:40:00.880 which I did not do it three hours

00:40:02.920 you sat through all three hours

00:40:04.440 you didn't even multiply it at like two times speed

00:40:06.380 No, no, no, I did not. I watched it at all. I kind of alternated between I went I went 3x during the

00:40:15.860 And then I went down to like 2.5 to 2.7 during the during this the the speaking scenes

00:40:25.100 It was boring man. Yeah, that's the big thing about it is a for a movie. That's about

00:40:29.260 A dude traveling for 10 years and going to all these cool islands.

00:40:32.040 I liked it.

00:40:33.080 You liked it?

00:40:33.860 I'm not, but we could talk about this.

00:40:36.260 You think The Odyssey was the greatest movie you've ever seen?

00:40:38.500 No, I never said that.

00:40:39.800 Did those words leave my mouth?

00:40:41.400 You literally just said that.

00:40:42.540 Have you ever seen the original version?

00:40:44.720 I won't be gasped on this.

00:40:45.680 I liked it, and it was entertaining.

00:40:48.680 Is it my favorite movie?

00:40:49.960 I thought it was so boring.

00:40:51.620 I'm going to see the entertainment movie.

00:40:53.080 The last 30 minutes.

00:40:54.880 Mikey McCoy just said, I do think the last 30 minutes were the best.

00:40:58.680 and specifically because a rude house guest uh had a very funny thing happened to him when he

00:41:05.260 realizes i won't say more it's a very funny thing that happens the book's been out for

00:41:09.580 thousands of years to read this actually i did read this uh twice and i didn't like really you

00:41:21.200 didn't like reading the odyssey i didn't remember a lot of it until i was it depends on what

00:41:25.300 and it was like coming back to me and then i was like wait the lotus flower there's supposed to be

00:41:30.760 way more about that like there's they're missing that yeah i mean i read yeah i read the odyssey

00:41:35.860 in high school a couple of times and i still don't remember it but again it's one of those

00:41:39.820 it's some of those books that you when you read in high school you're like i understand i remember

00:41:43.420 like parts of this but i don't understand it overall i'm fine i'm like glad i saw the odyssey

00:41:49.360 i'm glad they made the movie and like what's weird is we had all the hype that it was going

00:41:53.120 to be a lib movie and instead like all the reasons it was like bad were just that christopher nolan

00:41:58.260 i think sort of messed up what he decided to focus on and not for a lib reason just for

00:42:02.820 christopher nolan reasons storytelling yeah like i think like yeah there's just like some not good

00:42:07.880 writing in it and the problem he could have even made the movie he could have even made that movie

00:42:13.460 that he wanted to make where he subverts what the odyssey is about and makes it more negative

00:42:18.540 makes it more we're destroying civilization and that's bad he could have done that if he had

00:42:23.400 written it better but instead we straight up have scenes there is a scene in the odyssey if you

00:42:27.320 haven't seen it where odysseus goes to his wife and says yeah we're sailing off to troy and you

00:42:33.560 know agamemnon says it's the bronze age but we're actually doing it he's actually doing it for

00:42:37.980 socio-economic reasons he wants to seize the trade routes bro is this like my ap ap world

00:42:45.120 history the bronze age it sounds like a lecturer would say even if you wanted to say he's doing it

00:42:49.380 for that you should say it like agamemnon he wants to capture where you know every ship that bears

00:42:54.840 spices goes by troy and he wants to have all of the wealth from that like you can say it in a more

00:42:59.860 cool bronze age way yeah instead of he's doing it for modern english yeah modern english it says

00:43:05.540 he cares about the trade routes and socioeconomic factors it's so like wikipedia when he's speaking

00:43:13.560 like that like there isn't even anything in the odyssey that says anything about that at all

00:43:18.740 wait actually i had a question for you on the odyssey i cannot remember in the book is there

00:43:26.320 is that scene where he's throwing the puppies off the cliff is that in the book because i do not

00:43:32.140 remember that and why did christopher nolan decide to add a scene of a guy throwing puppies off a

00:43:37.940 cliff and then make such a big portion of the movie about like zeus's law you must take care

00:43:42.800 the beggar when they come into your home that scene went you have to take care of that scene

00:43:46.720 went hard it's very truly like throwing what about the puppies very truly while watching that i did

00:43:51.840 a double take and thought did i did i see was he just throwing those puppies off the clip

00:43:56.720 it took until everyone else mentioned it that to realize that that was happening uh so yes if you

00:44:00.640 guys haven't seen the odyssey you can see i just looked it up you can see was that the guy played

00:44:05.680 by okay i was like why did christopher that scene went hard that was one of the most uh

00:44:10.800 Robert Eggers scenes you could do just yeah, they would totally do that in ancient times just chuck puppies dude

00:44:15.680 They chucked babies off cliffs if they didn't want them

00:44:18.800 That would be more sparta than Ithaca. No, that's like all of greek civilization would do that. That's the story of 1.00

00:44:26.320 In the movie it was in odyssey. They threw a baby off a cliff

00:44:30.160 It's in the movie remember agamemnon. Oh, yeah, did they have asked? Yes

00:44:34.160 He threw and that's why his wife was so pissed. No, I thought he stabbed her. No, that's if I can

00:44:38.320 Yeah, that's if I can know Agamemnon mixing up two things or did they throw if again a

00:44:42.880 Remember he like walked to this to like the the ocean on the cliff edge the ocean. Yeah, he was

00:44:49.420 Yeah, it was the ocean. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I thought he I thought he or whatever

00:44:53.460 But that's that's so that's a specific sacrifice

00:44:55.700 They did but also just in ancient times they would do that exposure stuff. It was not it was a bleak time

00:45:02.800 She was a that was like for victory in battle that wasn't because she was a runt 0.94

00:45:08.320 That was victory. All right, so it was because it was because I'm glad we did that someone wanted us to give our thoughts about 1.00

00:45:14.860 The Odyssey, so I'm glad we did I really want to hit this wait. Can I?

00:45:19.660 Just one other line about Odyssey just to get it off that I think that the whole thing was just a ripoff of the Hurt Locker and

00:45:26.020 I think

00:45:27.640 No, think about it. Whoa

00:45:29.640 Shane no

00:45:31.640 Revoke that revoke that I think I think he's got a point there

00:45:35.040 It's been a while since I saw The Hurt Locker.

00:45:36.920 I need to watch The Hurt Locker again.

00:45:38.200 I think I saw it when it was literally in theaters,

00:45:39.600 but I think that kind of was.

00:45:41.240 I remember that scene where the Hurt Locker guy

00:45:44.240 goes like, he comes home from the war

00:45:46.940 and he goes, our age of American empire is collapsing.

00:45:53.220 Isn't that like that?

00:45:53.900 It's literally, like if you go watch that movie,

00:45:56.400 the tone and the pacing

00:45:59.140 and the way that it's just like Matt Damon.

00:46:01.460 No, that's not Matt Damon.

00:46:02.560 Matt Damon was in Green Zone,

00:46:03.620 Which is came out around the same time. So I kind of in my head think of the them as very similar

00:46:07.860 But it was like it was it's like he's just so he's brooding and he's like obviously dealing with PTSD

00:46:14.260 And it's like it's like just another Vietnam movie Iraq movie 0.81

00:46:19.020 But now it's like it's like the boomers just making another Vietnam movie like that's really all it was 0.59

00:46:24.860 Was there a giant Cyclops in that one? I can't remember. Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah, there was one

00:46:29.520 Yes, he was named Saddam Hussein.

00:46:32.280 It was actually Uday. 0.78

00:46:33.640 Uday was a cyclops. 0.93

00:46:35.280 He was the son of Saddam Hussein. 0.86

00:46:36.920 No, the cyclops was the son of Saddam Hussein. 0.84

00:46:40.500 And they wheeled a giant goat up to the border of Iraq. 0.89

00:46:44.780 And he makes milk.

00:46:45.600 Wait, wait, wait.

00:46:46.040 That's my assumption.

00:46:47.100 How the hell did the cyclops make the milk?

00:46:51.620 How did he make the milk?

00:46:52.740 They did something a little bit different with the goat over there.

00:46:55.640 I'm just saying.

00:46:56.680 I'm just saying.

00:46:57.340 his hands were so big

00:46:59.960 how did he milk the sheep to make cheese

00:47:02.420 think about it

00:47:04.840 think about the movie

00:47:06.080 okay listen

00:47:08.380 Odysseus walks into this cave

00:47:10.260 and he's like

00:47:10.720 oh cheese delicious

00:47:14.820 okay the bag of cheese is this big

00:47:16.420 you just squeeze the sheep

00:47:18.720 you just squeeze the whole

00:47:19.780 the hand of the cyclops

00:47:22.720 was the size of the studio

00:47:24.360 how did he get the milk

00:47:26.560 the whole sheep. He just picks it up

00:47:28.280 and just squeezes to get the milk out.

00:47:30.000 He squeezes it like a dish rack. He rings it out

00:47:32.420 of a hole.

00:47:33.520 Something's up for this.

00:47:37.800 I don't like

00:47:38.360 the whole cheese sequence rubbed me the wrong way.

00:47:42.100 Cyclops was

00:47:42.620 probably the best part of the film. I'm going to keep thinking

00:47:44.460 about this. Yeah, think, right?

00:47:46.680 I left the theater with a few

00:47:48.580 questions on my mind. Everything was downhill from the

00:47:50.540 Cyclops. Anne Hathaway was terrible. 0.99

00:47:51.980 Anne Hathaway was absolutely terrible. 0.63

00:47:53.920 Oh, I've heard Anne Hathaway

00:47:55.840 Good or terrible. No, she was great. It was fine again. No bad line. So at one point

00:48:15.760 Left the theater I legitimately left theater because I saw it at like midnight

00:48:19.440 And I got out and then I walk out at 3 a.m. And I'm like, why did they throw the puppies?

00:48:25.560 I don't know. How did he get the cheese out of the goats?

00:48:33.200 Those are the only things that you were thinking about. You gotta make things real. Okay, whatever. All right. All right. All right.

00:48:40.280 Glad we got that. We need to talk about watches now. Oh

00:48:44.040 Oh, yeah, all right. So this is watches. This is a fun topic. So this is a Kevin O'Leary famous rich person of America

00:48:53.800 co-host of Shark Tank correctly. Yes. Yeah, so and

00:48:57.960 He's talked he has a viral clip where he's on some he's uh

00:49:01.920 talking about a watch and he's talking about a watch and how excited he was to obtain not merely a Rolex

00:49:08.960 But I guess there's like some Rolex that's like the the Triforce of watches or something

00:49:14.760 Let's do clip 11

00:49:16.560 It is the grail piece of all watches

00:49:20.860 It is the white gold

00:49:23.860 Ruby and diamond Daytona

00:49:26.960 Grown men weep just looking at pictures of this mystical beast

00:49:32.180 Does it exist?

00:49:34.920 And I got on my knees and begged for it

00:49:37.800 begged i said could you consider just after all our relationship time together and and i've been

00:49:46.100 a great steward for the brand i've never sold a rolex i've talked about the importance of the

00:49:50.340 brand isn't this the moment to consider if the mist if the mystical beast exists that i would

00:49:57.540 have it on my wrist and then back and forth back and forth back and forth the the morning here in

00:50:04.780 la before the oscars the phone rings they gave me an address and they said be there and there it was

00:50:11.500 we opened the box the entire rolex staff had never seen it all the dealers from around la came to see

00:50:19.040 it and for for an hour we looked at it didn't touch it we just looked at it said like it's real

00:50:25.260 it's real did you cry i did and i wore it seriously i was i was weeping it was mine

00:50:30.920 I own it I have that piece do you know how many people have that piece maybe nobody like it's it's

00:50:38.200 not known that watch maybe it would trade if it traded for 1.8 million dollars walking around with

00:50:48.960 35 mil uh I I don't uh yeah um this is why we're having a socialist revolution right now

00:51:00.920 that's why i want to talk about it is like this is going this has gone viral on x and the take

00:51:05.920 has basically been are we going to have socialists is ma'am donnie going to win because our rich

00:51:11.020 americans cannot help themselves from going on podcasts and just and talking about their

00:51:16.080 extremely surreal love for a 1.8 million dollar object to place upon their wrist

00:51:21.940 and how they craved it how they connived for it how they begged for it how they sobbed upon seeing

00:51:29.080 it and i just think a lot of people are gonna look at that and say watch you know what wealth tax

00:51:33.720 they're gonna say they're gonna look at it and say wealth tax time we're taking your stuff yeah

00:51:37.680 and i i kind of wonder if they're gonna be right it's very um

00:51:41.600 that's very you know giant diamond chain

00:51:48.600 ask it is yeah it is very low it feels low iq

00:51:55.540 it kind of does it does right i feel like we are getting i i have nothing against it's like

00:52:02.520 rich that all of a sudden you start almost like acting poor like you you start like you go so far

00:52:09.900 one side that you almost like well so it's not it's not like that what i what i think it does

00:52:14.060 show is i think we've had a shift of behavioral values with our rich people and i think it

00:52:20.460 actually reflects i think it reflects hear me out this is my thought crime demographic change

00:52:24.820 in america that america used to have a ruling elite that was it was wasps it was like northern

00:52:32.380 europeans and that came with it certain cultural behaviors and there was a lot of restraint there

00:52:37.120 was a lot of being private it came with this whole noblest oblige like you don't really flaunt wealth

00:52:43.320 in people's faces you don't get too garish about things and in most of the world that's not the

00:52:50.940 norm in large chunks of the world wealth is something that if you possess it you like

00:52:55.260 officially display it you garishly display it you get a gold-plated car and a gold-plated ak-47

00:53:02.660 and a gold-plated watch and and why not and you really rub it in your face like that's the norm

00:53:09.060 you go to saudi arabia and it's not going to be a mystery who's rich whereas in america we have

00:53:13.440 the cultural value of like oh yeah the billionaire who dresses like a farmer and drives around in a

00:53:18.460 station wagon but even with but would you like would you say that's also kind of like kind of

00:53:22.260 british in a way i've just come i was in london so i'm kind of thinking that like you you don't

00:53:26.840 always and i don't know i'm talking about like the palaces i just mean like you know you there's

00:53:31.720 a sort of like when you said about the wasp culture of sort of not flaunting things that

00:53:38.640 it's like a protestant thing really i would say like northern europe probably matches protestant

00:53:43.040 countries yeah like british like there was a whole thing when we were at cpac um uk there was a whole

00:53:50.960 thing that like many of us uh american speakers that came up they said wow you know i had some

00:53:57.360 like bbc um you know interview and they were like they're like do you think that you're mixing god

00:54:03.840 and politics too much and i was like mixing god and politics like what do you mean like that's just

00:54:08.560 how we always talk in the us she's like we don't do that in britain we never do that that's considered

00:54:14.560 like a personal belief that you just don't talk about publicly and and there are a number of other

00:54:20.240 people who said that to me i said i and it kind of goes along with the lines of what you're saying

00:54:23.920 that wealth religious beliefs like it's just like it's a general idea that being reserved is

00:54:30.160 is considered more polite and more well-mannered

00:54:34.700 as opposed to all of this.

00:54:38.380 What's the most that you think is reasonable

00:54:40.440 to spend on a watch?

00:54:42.880 I don't think it matters.

00:54:45.820 I'm not a watch guy.

00:54:46.900 I'm so not a watch guy.

00:54:49.540 Here's my take.

00:54:50.560 Have you ever sobbed over a watch, Mikey?

00:54:54.240 We simultaneously tell people

00:54:56.480 you can make it in America

00:54:58.240 and you can start a business and be successful and enjoy these luxuries and then we're also saying

00:55:05.140 you are now the reason socialism is coming because you are buying expensive things and

00:55:10.740 living luxurious because you have achieved so much and done such a great job in the world of

00:55:15.720 business and on top of that like context is important like kevin o'leary it's no different

00:55:21.140 than somebody that's like super into cars or super into like shoes or whatever it is like there are

00:55:26.480 different luxury items that people obsess over and there's so much about it like watches are

00:55:32.040 actually very cool like the way they work the way that like they're they're built and all these

00:55:36.640 things right and so for kevin o'leary like he actually wears two watches because he has his

00:55:42.020 businesses are in asia so he has one watch that's set to his it's like singapore and then one that's

00:55:47.400 set to like new york and he loves watches like his entire life is about watches for the most part

00:55:52.960 he doesn't live a luxurious life like he lives in a condo and a high rise and like that's kind of

00:55:59.360 his life uh he drives nice cars he wears nice suits he's on shark tank but not just that he

00:56:05.400 also invests in people that have visions like he is a guy that that there's young entrepreneurs

00:56:11.340 and he's like i want you to make it i will invest and like why are why exactly are we supposed to

00:56:17.480 punish him like i get it the rich are like getting richer and they're like rubbing it in the face of

00:56:22.920 people that like can't make you know make the means to like pay for rent or groceries for that

00:56:27.820 matter but i just don't think blaming it on kevin o'leary for the reason we have a climb in socialism

00:56:34.600 is necessary and or good and so that's the flip side i think it is interesting you point out but

00:56:40.120 but that doesn't make it not true and we did and the truth of the matter is we do have a k-shaped

00:56:45.900 economy and we've had one since 2008 and what is k-shaped economy that means the rich are getting

00:56:50.860 richer and the poor are getting poorer and so it's like there's this they call it the um i think we

00:56:56.860 talked about here the silent recession where if you're under a certain um if you're under a certain

00:57:02.380 pay level that income level that you're just living in recession era um recession era uh

00:57:11.260 economics and finances and and then you've got a guy like kevin o'leary talking about buying a

00:57:15.500 two million dollar watch and you wonder why you wonder why mandami's popular you wonder why dsa

00:57:20.380 is like beating the crap out of democrats all over the country and by the way beating us in uh 0.80

00:57:27.020 in general elections it's because of crap like this but that but what's the solution like what 0.98

00:57:32.380 so then we we need to what's the solution the solution is the solution is nationalist populism 0.98

00:57:37.500 no no no actually do what is the solution to getting kevin or leary not to do that take it

00:57:42.300 away from him to shame him make sure that you can't post it on social media absolutely but

00:57:47.100 But we are capitalists like we are fundamentally pro spending their wealth, how they want to spend their wealth.

00:57:53.620 I don't I don't think we should. I don't think we should center our our our country around capital.

00:57:59.380 I think that's I think that's not Christian. I think it is in the same vein as I like I hate listening to Hollywood actors talk about politics because you're not like it's your own personal thing. 0.83

00:58:15.300 quit telling me how to vote or like um the dude who plays hulk uh trying to be a social justice

00:58:23.140 warrior i think it's just one of those things like kevin o'leary can absolutely love watches

00:58:27.600 and i would love like i have no problem wasn't the guy who plays reacher didn't he just pop off

00:58:32.580 yes that same guy the the alan richardson talking about rich richard files and all of this all of

00:58:39.360 this stuff so i think it's that where it's like perfect example like kevin o'leary talking about

00:58:43.920 how much he loves a watch and how much he wants a specific watch dude awesome cut there like don't

00:58:52.320 don't go on don't like but he's theatrical by nature he's theatrical by nature he's a hollywood

00:58:58.920 guy he's on tv all the time you don't think that he's like being funny when he's like grown men

00:59:04.080 no no that's fine to see this i don't have a problem with that i don't have a problem with

00:59:08.320 that i have a problem with him then going it if it goes on the market it'd be like 12 million

00:59:13.960 dollars like that's i think that's where you draw the line it's like people can have hobbies people

00:59:19.520 can people can love expensive cars if you want to go out of your way to figure out how expensive a

00:59:24.620 car is that somebody owns i don't even know i don't even know the question she asked him

00:59:29.160 do you know the question angelo what if she asked him what's the most expensive can i go back to

00:59:34.940 So what Blake was saying about Noblesse Oblige is that the idea was that you give back,

00:59:43.320 that if you have so much that you could perhaps give back to your country.

00:59:48.540 I totally agree.

00:59:50.460 It's Donald Trump building the Walman ice rink or fixing the Walman ice rink in New York City, right?

00:59:56.480 It's, yeah, he's got a bunch of money, but you've got to do something for the little guy too.

01:00:00.800 And with Kevin O'Leary, you know, I don't see anything like that.

01:00:04.540 I don't see Kevin O'Leary turn around and like, hey, we're going to fix up the zoo or we're going to do something around to benefit regular people.

01:00:11.500 I see him just saying, hey, how can I spend more money when I have an opportunity to spend more money?

01:00:16.860 And, you know, meanwhile, like everything's closing, everything's getting run down, certainly in New York, certainly in California.

01:00:24.260 And, you know, he's he's not doing anything to to give back.

01:00:30.160 And so that's that's a huge part of the problem.

01:00:33.060 and yes if you look

01:00:35.440 at the history of socialistic

01:00:37.320 communist revolutions it is behavior

01:00:39.220 like this by the elites during

01:00:41.400 a time when you have we currently call it

01:00:43.340 a k-shift economy

01:00:44.260 Kevin O'Leary does give money

01:00:47.140 actually I want to respond to that

01:00:49.440 specifically about that one thing

01:00:51.500 I think that the billionaires suffer from

01:00:53.260 is that the norm is

01:00:55.300 now like you want to give

01:00:57.320 back so you give to some charitable

01:00:59.480 foundation like a charitable foundation

01:01:01.360 that's, like, relatively less legible.

01:01:03.680 Yes.

01:01:04.620 We need to bring back billionaires who give back

01:01:06.720 with oafish big public things.

01:01:09.220 So Elon Musk comes out and says, like,

01:01:11.320 I want to give back, so I'm just going to build

01:01:14.860 the new stadium, like, for this, like, for a city,

01:01:18.080 and it'll be owned by the city,

01:01:19.200 and I'm just going to pay for it,

01:01:20.080 and it'll be nice and pretty.

01:01:20.940 Wrigley Field was built by the Wrigley family.

01:01:22.940 Exactly.

01:01:23.560 Yeah.

01:01:23.860 Exactly.

01:01:24.320 Oh, you build stadiums.

01:01:25.520 You build monuments.

01:01:26.620 You build, like, you say,

01:01:28.560 I'm going to build a new skyscraper for my company,

01:01:30.660 and it's going to be awesome art deco looking

01:01:33.960 with all the sculpture that we can't have anymore

01:01:36.280 and I'm going to spend on that

01:01:37.620 and it's just going to be a big part of the public

01:01:39.980 and we're going to rent it out to the public

01:01:41.140 and it's going to be part of your skyline

01:01:42.500 and it's going to look awesome.

01:01:44.020 We need our billionaires to be building awesome stuff

01:01:46.320 that you can look at.

01:01:47.520 Is Trump not doing that though with like the ballroom?

01:01:49.840 He is.

01:01:50.020 He's trying to have private donors.

01:01:50.800 No, he is.

01:01:51.220 And then like the Arc de Triomphe.

01:01:52.980 Yeah.

01:01:53.120 He's like, so I actually like Trump's doing that.

01:01:55.380 Like that is a great thing.

01:01:56.300 So Zuzu Pedals has a great point.

01:01:58.460 She just donated.

01:01:59.680 Awesome.

01:01:59.880 It's not the watch.

01:02:01.540 It's the obscene reaction to the watch.

01:02:04.060 People will watch red carpets where people are covered in millions of dollars in jewels and contour.

01:02:10.800 It's his reaction.

01:02:12.040 I agree.

01:02:12.920 Yeah, the theatrical reaction is not necessary.

01:02:15.500 And that's where.

01:02:16.320 The first part of that video is fine.

01:02:17.860 A lot of those red carpet dresses, though, are not owned by them.

01:02:23.660 a lot of it's either rented or like the designer you know sets it up as like advertisement for the

01:02:29.860 designer there's like all sorts of stuff like that i people can have hobbies for the record

01:02:33.760 people can have hobbies people can have interests i have no problem with kevin o'leary having

01:02:38.600 interest in watches but it's like i think it's cringe so i think it's super well okay i think

01:02:44.040 watches are like watches you don't like pokemon cards watches are pokemon cards for adults

01:02:49.580 okay okay but here's somebody that's funny jack there's a fatal flaw i love that jack the fatal

01:02:55.540 flaw with that is pokemon cards are now pokemon cards for adults yeah we have insane that is

01:03:00.300 38 year old millennials who are like looting their stores of the pokemon cards i just remember

01:03:04.980 this story i'm well aware i'm well aware all right mikey story mikey story on on uh charlie's

01:03:09.860 birthday a couple years ago uh we took him to go get a watch and he does not like watches um and

01:03:18.400 the guy was like amazing love charlie and i think you want to give charlie like this amazing deal

01:03:23.500 like almost like basically like free like it was a steal but he like just didn't and it was like

01:03:27.920 a very nice patek philippe like very nice watch and charlie was like we sit down in the room

01:03:34.520 and he like puts on this white glove he like opens the box and he pulls out the

01:03:38.660 watch and he's like here charlie grabs it with his greasy fingers and he's like messing around

01:03:43.600 of the and he's like so so what about this makes this expensive like i what why how much does this

01:03:51.480 go for why does it go for that much why would i want this like this is such a small thing and then

01:03:57.440 uh the guy's like explaining how it's gone up in value it started at you know it used to be this

01:04:01.840 amount now it's you know uh 50 x and charlie's like because of collectors if i buy this i will

01:04:09.380 buy it and i will put it in my safe and i will never wear it and this will just be an investment

01:04:15.440 and the guy's like no it must be worn and i was like well charlie like maybe you could wear this

01:04:20.840 to like big events he's like nah we walked out even a free watch he didn't even want so jack

01:04:28.280 charlie would mostly if he was here he'd probably agree with you uh well so i another thought i had

01:04:33.260 i'm i've just never been a watch guy the only watch i will tell you though the the and i i um

01:04:38.680 I don't wear it anymore, but the only watch that I ever wore for a long time was my bootcamp watch.

01:04:49.360 And that was a watch that I had this position in my bootcamp unit where I was the only guy who got to wear a watch.

01:04:58.540 And it was among like other, it was like one of the leadership members of the unit kind of things.

01:05:03.800 And it just meant a lot to me that, you know, that was the watch I went through boot camp with, with like all my boot camp buddies.

01:05:10.960 And, you know, I just wore that watch for a really long time.

01:05:13.600 And then I kind of stopped wearing it because it was like really like rudimentary and it didn't really look good with like suits and stuff.

01:05:21.220 It just felt odd.

01:05:22.880 And, you know, recently my son had been asking about wearing a watch.

01:05:27.400 So I gave it to him.

01:05:28.940 Nice.

01:05:29.660 My fiance wants me to buy a watch because she's really tired of this garment.

01:05:32.820 a final thought on this we mentioned she's like you need to buy something better let's go get a

01:05:38.400 fossil we mentioned there's the k-shaped economy diverging rich get richer poor get poorer although

01:05:43.100 what this actually stood out to me is the fact that kevin o'leary is so obsessed with the watches

01:05:49.040 and this is a way to express his collecting impulse it's something for him to blow money on

01:05:53.800 frankly yeah is i think in a lot of ways even if wealth amounts are diverging i think lifestyles

01:06:00.440 are converging a lot yeah and one thought i've had is it feels like this is a white pill to me is

01:06:07.100 i've interacted with people who are far richer than i am and as far as i can tell their interests

01:06:12.400 and how they prefer to spend most of their day when they're not working are pretty comparable

01:06:17.840 to mine or it's even stuff i could be doing and choose not to because i don't like it like as an

01:06:24.080 example i've been stunned by the number of very wealthy people i know who watch a lot of television

01:06:30.000 and like bad television in some

01:06:32.400 cases or just whatever's trendy

01:06:34.420 and then the amount who

01:06:35.660 they sit in group

01:06:38.400 chats on their phone and they like talk to other people

01:06:40.240 they know and like okay you can also

01:06:42.400 be in a group chat with your friends

01:06:44.060 and do you guys watch TV?

01:06:47.220 Yes. I watch very

01:06:48.240 little TV. Yeah I do. You guys are all TV

01:06:50.340 nuts. I stay up

01:06:52.280 to the tongue. I'm not a TV nut. All of you are sinners.

01:06:55.180 I'll watch like 0.97

01:06:56.180 Tanya and I will sometimes

01:06:58.140 like sit down and watch a series

01:06:59.620 and it'll be like maybe like we watch one episode a night before bed or something but like that would

01:07:04.780 that that will genuine generally other than like work that will generally be the only time i ever

01:07:10.460 sit down and like watch amanda but also jack i do watch tv and i do the same but i think that

01:07:16.980 might change when the baby comes i don't think i'll be you might watch more my uh you might yeah

01:07:21.420 my brother-in-law you might watch more because it'd be you you know with babies because you're

01:07:24.900 gonna be up late at night yeah you're gonna need my brother-in-law other than

01:07:28.560 every single episode daily anybody in the comments watching house of the dragon i have i have not i

01:07:35.000 have my my brother-in-law watched every single episode of the show looks awful i haven't watched

01:07:39.360 there are a thousand episodes of one piece i don't even know what one piece is an anime that

01:07:44.900 has been running for about 10,000 years i think ali beth stuckey is right that anime causes like

01:07:50.380 weird brain stuff no science to back that claim i don't have a problem i thought that was matt

01:07:56.740 walsh who said that maybe it's both maybe i don't have a problem with with anime in general but the

01:08:02.300 reason that i don't really watch it is just because of that like how do you start there's

01:08:05.900 like a million episodes of every season or every show rather and uh and you're like and i'm like

01:08:11.560 oh yeah well this is like episode 5000 and he's referring to something that happened in episode

01:08:16.120 two attack a titan

01:08:17.740 isn't that one to say

01:08:19.020 everybody always tells me

01:08:20.980 it's actually it's actually it is a bit the opposite

01:08:23.180 jack actually most the thing is

01:08:25.040 most animes are not that many episodes

01:08:27.060 compared to US shows where like

01:08:28.820 we love to have 28 episode seasons and they run

01:08:31.000 for a decade the biggest thing is just there's a million

01:08:33.240 of them a ton and so

01:08:35.040 like oh have you seen

01:08:36.420 have you seen pizza dynasty

01:08:38.600 and it'll be this 28 episode anime

01:08:40.800 about like a family trying

01:08:43.080 to run a pizzeria in Tokyo

01:08:45.060 and then they're like oh no you need to go see rice adventure and it's something it's a slice of 0.99

01:08:53.020 life slice of life show that's about these girls and actually wait no there actually is a real

01:08:59.220 anime that's about girls in boarding school there's a real anime that's about girls in

01:09:04.720 boarding school where they're learning how to drive world war ii tanks and you're not considered

01:09:08.500 an eligible bride unless you're a good tank commander it's called girls und panzer

01:09:14.060 Which is just girls and tank 0.79

01:09:16.720 Anyway, I'm sure I'm sure Dylan in the chat is losing his mind over this way

01:09:20.360 I need to see Dylan. All right. I thought no. I thought oh, yeah Dylan is always trying to get yeah

01:09:24.680 Is he in the chat? I wasn't looking he's always trying to get me to watch stuff

01:09:28.120 Yeah, he's saying watch anime Mikey. Okay, Dylan. He says there are so many

01:09:35.860 I watched Death Note. I thought Death Note was great. I have seen Death Note. I watched Death Note when I was in high school

01:09:41.420 school. It was okay. Did Dylan, okay, I stand

01:09:43.420 corrected by Dylan as well. It was in fact

01:09:45.480 Matt Walsh that said. Ah,

01:09:47.500 alrighty. Right? Yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was

01:09:49.260 well. Okay. But no, I thought Death Note was, I

01:09:51.380 mean, I think it's just a version of

01:09:53.060 like, animation

01:09:55.120 style. Like, I've seen some anime

01:09:57.420 movies that I like a lot.

01:09:59.580 True. And I think that's enough

01:10:01.420 for me. What was the one, Your Name

01:10:03.560 was pretty good.

01:10:06.780 Who was the guy

01:10:07.460 who made that? He made a bunch of movies recently

01:10:09.460 that I thought were pretty good. Yeah,

01:10:11.220 Yeah, it's just a style.

01:10:12.740 I think the real thing is,

01:10:13.960 it is a thing that people will make their entire lifestyle,

01:10:16.940 is being an anime fan and watching lots of anime.

01:10:19.240 And like with anything,

01:10:20.860 I think that can wreck your personality

01:10:23.140 to have it be consumed by one thing.

01:10:25.060 And there's just a lot of them.

01:10:26.820 Like a watch.

01:10:27.800 Juzu's pedals.

01:10:28.780 OMG, you are having a baby.

01:10:30.720 That is, of course, to Mikey.

01:10:31.800 It is not to me.

01:10:32.620 That is so exciting.

01:10:34.240 Congratulations.

01:10:34.840 Prayers for healthy delivery.

01:10:35.860 Thank you, Juzu.

01:10:37.640 I want to get our one last topic

01:10:39.120 because I do think it is very fun.

01:10:40.340 Can I read a comment that just came in on X?

01:10:44.500 This is from the Wuhan clan.

01:10:47.760 And he wrote,

01:10:48.640 I'm only pro-flock to the extent that the sole customer is ice using it

01:10:52.900 to get illegals the flock out of here. 0.99

01:10:55.800 Agreed. 1.00

01:10:57.140 We want to hit this because it does relate to whether others,

01:11:00.840 specifically me, will have any babies,

01:11:02.360 which is the car test.

01:11:04.420 All right.

01:11:04.920 Have you guys heard about this?

01:11:06.600 No, you're going to have to ruin this.

01:11:07.860 We're going to have to summarize this.

01:11:08.920 So let's throw up number 14 and let me bring it up here so that I can read it one second.

01:11:18.460 So this is a tweet someone made and it is this woman Blaine Anderson has an account dating by Blaine and she posts an exchange between a woman and a guy.

01:11:32.000 She was potentially going to go on a debate on and I'm going to read the exchange first date on a date.

01:11:37.600 She was going to go on a date with this guy.

01:11:38.920 and it says good morning what time where is dinner tomorrow and he goes have you been to

01:11:42.960 and she goes i have not it looks gorgeous and then she says okay could you send me an uber

01:11:50.780 for dinner tomorrow and the guy responds no i won't on the way home though happy to pick a

01:11:58.940 restaurant next to you that's what he says this exchange was then sent to this blaine woman and

01:12:03.840 And she says, single girlfriend in New York City had this text exchange with a hinge match.

01:12:08.720 She is upset.

01:12:10.080 In my opinion, she is entitled to whatever expectations of men she wants. 0.54

01:12:14.400 But asking a stranger from the internet to send a car is cringy.

01:12:19.980 And she has no business being upset if he won't.

01:12:22.920 The guy's response is simultaneously fair, abrasive, and weird.

01:12:29.540 Just say, how about I come to you?

01:12:31.640 if you still want the date or if you don't just say i don't think this is a fit hard not to stay

01:12:37.700 stuck single if you interact like this true and then as a follow-up someone who may be joking or

01:12:43.440 maybe not i couldn't really tell uh mads campbell tweeted every good man i've ever been on a date

01:12:48.660 with has sent a car usually black car oh my it's very weird to not send a car and when you're

01:12:56.280 dating you should be on your boyfriend or husband's uber account if you still use ubers i don't see 0.94

01:13:01.280 why this is controversial i just love mikey's size this is but this is cringy and this is dumb

01:13:07.820 it's also like they get upset if man if a guy pays for dinner you know because it's like a

01:13:12.840 feminist thing to get upset so then they want you to i think these women i don't think will 1.00

01:13:16.840 get it's a feminist thing it's a feminist thing if you pay for dinner but it's also a feminist

01:13:21.260 thing if you don't pay for the uber like how does that work yeah yeah it's intriguing i'm kind of

01:13:27.340 wondering how charlie would react to this because charlie was very much man pays for the dinner

01:13:30.760 100 even on the first day he would probably i mean i don't want to put words but i mean i guess like

01:13:37.440 you pick him up like pick him up on the date okay we're in new york here where we're imagining you

01:13:43.620 don't have it's very likely neither of you have a car even if you're well off you don't have a car

01:13:47.420 like meet him at and walk up so like new york's dangerous the streets cannot be safe for a woman

01:13:52.720 alone. I think we should, we should clarify. So this was New York city, right? Right.

01:13:58.480 So in New York city that then chances are, if she's saying like blah, blah, blah, Uber,

01:14:04.400 then chances are she probably doesn't have her own car. Right. So the geography, I think changes

01:14:10.480 the dynamics a little bit here as well, where, you know, you know, I wouldn't want a girl, 1.00

01:14:17.200 you know taking the taking the subway in any city in the united states or or even london i rode the 1.00

01:14:23.680 tube a couple times it was awful it was other than the speed which was good the the actual

01:14:29.440 experience of being on there was horrible and i uh i did not want my children to be there on there

01:14:35.440 for any second longer than uh than we had to but that being said and and the traffic was just worse

01:14:41.280 so it would have taken us like way much longer to get um to get anywhere we actually ended up taking

01:14:44.960 some river taxis which which worked out pretty well and um so so if you're in new york city

01:14:51.680 i feel like i feel like it's not unreasonable for her to ask for an uber i really don't

01:14:56.480 i really like angelo who uh grew up in the new york area and he said uh in the 90s i paid for

01:15:03.240 the cabs both ways because of safety otherwise it's like what take the train yeah that'll get

01:15:09.580 the bird interested no but yeah like if she gets in the taxi and then gets out you're paying for

01:15:17.100 it when she gets there yeah i think that's fair yeah i think you guys make a good point you guys

01:15:24.220 do make jackie make a good point about like new york here's the only thing yeah is being here in

01:15:29.320 arizona obviously it's very different than new york but i did i would run into weird things where

01:15:36.680 i was always the person that like would offer hey i could pick you up right but i also understood

01:15:45.100 again having you know you want to pick very little interaction get him in the car hold on but having

01:15:51.180 little very little interactions obviously it could like they could be like ah not really a fan but at

01:15:58.120 the same time i would always offer like that was always a thing you always offer girls didn't want

01:16:02.940 you to pick them up. I mean, especially if you're dating on the internet. Like I get it. Like I 1.00

01:16:09.360 understand it, but you have to offer. I hated that. She was like, she wants a black car. That

01:16:14.820 one girl. Yeah. I just thought that Zuzu said I spent my twenties dating in New York and the 1.00

01:16:19.600 gentleman did pay for your cab home after 10 PM, but a black car service is ridiculous. Okay. Okay. 0.95

01:16:25.300 You guys, I, I, you've changed my mind. That's only in New York. Yeah. Oh, wait, wait, wait,

01:16:31.460 Wait, actually, Mikey, I'll meet you halfway.

01:16:35.700 I'll meet you halfway on that.

01:16:37.500 Because when I saw this on the topic list, this wasn't my first thought.

01:16:41.720 My first thought was, it depends on the girl.

01:16:46.220 Are you worth black car service?

01:16:49.120 Or is this just like... 0.89

01:16:51.760 It's true.

01:16:52.640 Oh, my gosh.

01:16:53.760 Some random, like, we're passing the time kind of date. 1.00

01:16:57.120 So some girls, yeah, of course, would be worth black car service.

01:16:59.960 and some not so much so i haven't looked do we do we have an image of the girl in question here do 0.78

01:17:06.040 we have any of that information because if we're talking like if you're like i'm sorry but if you're

01:17:10.600 like a six or below like i'm not paying for a black car oh my gosh no way i'm not i'm not paying for

01:17:16.440 black car for that like that's like i'm like but if you're a dime like tanya tay then yeah of course 0.97

01:17:21.800 like black car all day long but she had her now that being said when tanya and i started dating

01:17:26.280 she had her own car and so like we just 1.00

01:17:28.200 would just drive to meet up usually

01:17:29.900 I think part of what goes into this frankly

01:17:35.560 we also weren't in New York City so it's

01:17:37.820 part of what is going into this frankly is I think there's a lot of people 0.56

01:17:42.440 burn because it is frankly a known practice now that a lot of women will

01:17:48.340 just go on dates to get like a free meal out of it 0.98

01:17:51.200 and by the way if you're on Hinge

01:17:55.580 right so she's never met the guy before he doesn't even know if she looks like what her pictures look

01:18:02.340 like so if this is the very first time they've ever met he could be getting catfished right yeah 0.99

01:18:07.740 and if he's getting catfished then why would you send an uber black so so mikey again like 0.74

01:18:13.080 this is where i meet you halfway where i'm saying like it actually depends because if you've you're 0.91

01:18:19.800 maybe second date maybe third date but you've never met before or have you even have they done

01:18:23.840 to facetime see that's by the way guys for guys out there if you're on a dating app that you want

01:18:29.320 to get around the catfish by facetiming right so you got to give them the facetime test before you

01:18:33.640 meet up because then you can say oh well let's let's let me get your digits like get the digits

01:18:37.860 and you say okay let's facetime and if she says no blocker just blocker this is the best thing

01:18:45.500 instagram whatever we got to bring digits back i like that way matter a man and i met on hinge

01:18:51.480 but did you really yes but it was so funny did you send her an uber but did you use the test no

01:18:55.540 no no so i was at you face time did you no i didn't so literally no so we matched and i was

01:19:02.780 already at like one of the uh one of the country bars and her location showed she was in mesa so

01:19:09.460 she was like within like a 15 minute like radius from where i was and i literally said hey you

01:19:15.480 pull up and she was like all right sounds good and that's when we met nice so i i she drove to

01:19:23.020 wait wait wait wait russ hold on she drove to you yes but i had already drove to her side of town 0.53

01:19:29.580 because i was in the area at the bar no no but you're saying no hold on but yes she drove to me

01:19:35.140 you you were already there correct before you matched correct correct and then she drove to

01:19:41.940 you yep and that's that's a green light man that's a green light it was it was a huge green light

01:19:46.660 that's a big that's a big old green light right there it's not a red flag but i no so i would

01:19:52.580 actually i would actually i'm gonna side with the guy here i'm actually gonna side with the guy here

01:19:58.240 and saying that no in in in that situation if they have not done the facetime test if they have not

01:20:05.120 had a date before they've never met they haven't even done the facetime test then no you you don't

01:20:09.880 you do not get to demand an uber black nope that's true you don't i i agree i i think i think the

01:20:15.720 i i get the idea with it being in new york but no even if she had said can you send me an uber

01:20:22.760 like could you call me an uber yeah this is what i will say is this is a disagreement where i have

01:20:28.480 with charlie i think charlie's advice take her to dinner pay for everything makes sense if it is a

01:20:32.640 person you already knew going into it such that it's not really a first introduction my general

01:20:37.740 point of view on dating is because of

01:20:39.700 the whole some people are just faking out

01:20:41.260 both partners both potential partners need skin

01:20:43.740 in the game the very first date to make

01:20:45.800 sure that they're not just purely wasting each other's

01:20:47.820 time

01:20:48.100 that's why

01:20:51.540 you say let's meet up for

01:20:53.480 let's meet up at a bookstore let's meet up for

01:20:55.620 coffee let's meet up for a walk in a park

01:20:57.500 there's so many there's let's go see sunset

01:20:59.760 there's a million different things you can do that are free

01:21:01.900 odyssey in 70 millimeter

01:21:03.600 and see a cyclops

01:21:05.820 milk goat cheese

01:21:07.260 Oh, can't see how a marriage wouldn't come out of that way. This is basically the only the only part of the odyssey that I liked actually was the part where

01:21:18.100 Where he's tied to them to the mast and screaming because that was basically me internally watching that movie

01:21:27.980 Putting wax in his ear

01:21:31.060 Yeah, I was trying to put the wax in my ear as I as I watched it like make it stop

01:21:36.080 So bad.

01:21:37.500 Yeah.

01:21:38.180 All right.

01:21:39.000 We have,

01:21:39.680 this is a real marathon thought crime,

01:21:41.280 but we have one last topic

01:21:42.480 that we do want to hit.

01:21:44.220 Mikey's very fired up about this one.

01:21:46.500 Mikey,

01:21:47.420 you've been around,

01:21:49.000 you've been around some pastors

01:21:50.900 and faith leaders

01:21:51.720 and churches and communities.

01:21:53.680 Who is Catherine Crick?

01:21:56.340 She is,

01:21:58.360 she's an apostle apparently.

01:21:59.460 She is an apostle.

01:22:00.760 She's part of this like

01:22:02.140 new apostolic reformation movement.

01:22:05.180 um which is like n-a-r she uh she used let me just kind of tell the history of her so she started

01:22:14.380 out as an actress like many many years ago she ran a company called like cougars only 0.99

01:22:20.740 have you have you heard about this where she like helped people find cougars oh no and then 0.70

01:22:27.020 she was an actress on like many tv shows um she like played a porn star on a tv show she wasn't

01:22:34.160 she just played one on tv she played one on tv uh and then she you know ended up becoming christian

01:22:41.700 right people can have bad pasts and become christian right um she becomes a christian but

01:22:47.080 her first thing in christendom is she starts making like edm christian music music videos

01:22:53.560 of like her dancing with like all this christian techno music um and then during like covid she

01:23:01.400 started churches outside and it was very small for like many many years um and somewhere along

01:23:08.900 the way she meets this african pastor from tanzania who like is very much so like pentecostal

01:23:18.180 um like apostolic you know making you fall to the floor speaking in tongues and together he like

01:23:27.840 gives her this she she goes out to tanzania she's on the stage i can somebody find this clip she's

01:23:34.500 on stage and the tanzanian pastor gives her the apost you know the apostate like or the this

01:23:42.120 apostle anointing where he's like yeah this is it yeah and then he proceeds to dunk a bottle of

01:23:48.840 plastic water on her head anointing her an apostle so she's a she's now like an anointed apostle

01:23:55.880 she claims she's an apostle and when asked on like multiple q a zoom calls why she's an apostle

01:24:01.720 she quoted well god gave me this anointing and then out of it i was gifted furniture and i was

01:24:10.160 gifted many things and that's why i'm an apostle and so it's like already a very weird origin story

01:24:17.260 but now she will do these she she claims that she does healings right and so she'll do these like

01:24:23.320 mass healings she like puts out videos of her doing healings she'll like have church services 0.53

01:24:28.400 where she'll line people up and she'll just kind of like blow in the microphone and like hit them

01:24:32.180 with the holy spirit and let's do it we have we have uh some clips of this uh let's see what's

01:24:37.060 the what's the best one here how about uh oh i don't know if we have an exorcism as a full clip

01:24:43.120 we've got b-roll okay so yeah and yeah see like this doesn't even really do it just like she'll 0.86

01:24:49.460 go down she'll be like and she'll like blow into the microphone they'll like start shaking on the

01:24:54.860 ground she'll be like you will fall down in three two yeah yeah there you go you can see it here and

01:24:59.260 like it's just it's it's also really bad in that she claims that her anointing needs to be refilled

01:25:08.460 by by donations and so like you must so she'll be like uh what you know the the anointing goes out

01:25:16.760 and it must be fulfilled and refilled

01:25:19.200 because I'm sowing it. 0.98

01:25:21.800 And so that's where she'll ask for money.

01:25:24.140 All right, so some of this stuff is what's been going...

01:25:26.140 It's very, very cult-adjacent.

01:25:27.880 So we bring this up because it's been going viral.

01:25:29.600 Let's do that again, needing to refill through donations.

01:25:34.500 Let's do that first.

01:25:35.400 21.

01:25:38.140 So now we need to sow specifically for his deliverance

01:25:41.800 and speak, this is for his deliverance.

01:25:44.580 and and a good amount the anointing is working right now you need to be open to god to renounce

01:25:49.740 more things and even when god puts on your heart to even sow a seed right now online or something

01:25:54.240 you know like right now this is what god wants you to do be open to renounce and he's going to

01:25:58.680 be free completely i declare in jesus name uh for those who couldn't see uh this woman who was being

01:26:06.100 preached to sow seeds by donating online or something had her child on the ground and he

01:26:11.280 he looks like he's about 12 or so and he's like lashing out like doing kind of air kicks and

01:26:18.060 waving his arms around i do not know if he was delivered this is another thing though this is

01:26:21.800 what's also getting attention uh this is her receiving birthday wishes from supporters uh

01:26:28.160 clip 19. i love you so much mama happy early birthday it is such an honor to serve you i

01:26:37.900 honor you as your spiritual daughter i love you and you're my favorite you're my favorite person

01:26:50.380 happy birthday mama i love you so much i i cherish this ministry so much i love you so much

01:26:58.700 thank you for laying down your life that we may live and be equipped and transformed so i honor

01:27:03.660 you i love you so much happy birthday god bless you i love you happy birthday god bless you

01:27:15.480 it's an honor to serve your apostle katherine and i love you so much happy birthday

01:27:21.380 what's actually bothering me here especially is this title of apostle what's what's going on

01:27:30.860 well it's self-appointed like this doesn't even have to be like a debate about that this is more

01:27:35.940 that like she is she is a self-appointed apostle one two it's very weird in that like they call

01:27:43.540 her mama and then she calls the at her like mentor the african tanzanian guy she calls him daddy like

01:27:51.460 she when on that stage when he's like pouring the water she's like thank you daddy as he's like

01:27:57.220 pouring that it's that's also it's just very weird like there's stuff that's weird about it

01:28:01.080 um also like her saying that like she must be refilled like it talks it almost references

01:28:09.000 like a deficiency and there is no deficiency in the holy spirit like you know i pulled i just

01:28:14.320 pulled this up ephesians 13 through 14 talks about this romans i think eight through nine talks about

01:28:18.480 this um just like they're like her maniple yeah believers are sealed with the holy spirit who

01:28:23.560 guarantees eternal inheritance and yet she's offering inheritance and that it must be refilled

01:28:29.500 with it's it's it's all it's all very odd it's very weird it needs to be called out i mean we

01:28:35.360 as christians have a duty to police our own ranks and we we need to call this stuff out and like

01:28:42.500 the bible warns about this all the time christ warned about this in matthew false teachers and

01:28:46.420 false prophets and like you have to always be on the lookout i found this girl that is a follower

01:28:51.300 and goes to the church she's not big like she has a thousand followers and her her videos get like

01:28:56.780 80 likes and i was like i want to like put myself in her mind like what is she thinking she genuinely

01:29:01.880 believes this and like she has she is a member of this church and she believes that she's an

01:29:07.500 apostle and like all these things and so i immediately just stopped i'm like okay who's

01:29:11.720 my katherine like crick like who is my i have there's something in our lives that we believe

01:29:17.600 so firmly, that must be true. It is true. And you give everything, you give your time, your energy,

01:29:24.060 your money to it. And you don't stop to be like, is this of God? Is this a good thing? And so

01:29:29.480 like, if you're watching this, you're probably cringing. You're like, this is crazy. It is one,

01:29:34.220 but ask yourself, use this as an opportunity. Where in your life do you have something that you

01:29:39.040 could, could be totally false that you're like sowing so much energy being like, that is the

01:29:43.800 truth that is the truth that is the way i am totally behind that like i'm putting all my eggs

01:29:49.340 in that basket like two million dollar watches for example or the odyssey being good no yeah

01:29:55.000 no thank you any other any other just christopher nolan and there are a lot of people who who uh

01:29:59.860 commit idolatry of christopher nolan 100 no 100 yeah i think it comes down to idolatry but this

01:30:05.640 she's she's crazy this is cult adjacent this is cult adjacent for sure a lot of tendencies here

01:30:11.120 but like this is not good for the kingdom of christ and we have a duty to call this out

01:30:17.540 yeah it's a good message i agree i totally agree i agree just i totally agree with this this kind

01:30:24.280 of reminds me of and and mikey i you probably remember when we had the last time i think you

01:30:28.620 were here we had that conversation about like um like uh christploitation and we were talking about

01:30:36.620 like putting jesus on energy drinks and stuff and i think for a lot of us like where we came

01:30:40.980 down on it was like, it's sort of, the problem is when you were using the actual image of Christ

01:30:47.520 and putting that, like just slapping that on your product and without anything other than like

01:30:53.700 saying that like, Jesus wants you to buy this energy drink, you know, and in just a very overt,

01:30:59.740 like, again, garish and gaudy kind of way, as opposed to like, I think we talked about like

01:31:05.880 in and out and they just kind of put like the Bible verse. So then the passage will be on like

01:31:10.100 the bottom of your cup or whatever or if you're putting stuff that is christian but not like

01:31:14.740 you know just exploiting jesus as like jesus drink you know i think it comes down to and

01:31:22.300 this is obviously exploitation it's just it's obviously exploitation and this is the kind of

01:31:26.680 stuff that you will go to hell for it's without if you if you do this without repenting you will

01:31:30.660 go to hell for this kind of stuff i i think this just is a another case where we have to continue

01:31:37.340 to like explore everything like like double check everything with scripture just like the

01:31:44.820 Bereans yeah yeah yeah what whoever whoever you're listening to whatever you're reading

01:31:50.740 anything go back and look for the scripture look look and and hold up God's word as the

01:31:59.360 magnifying glass to figure out what is true and that's that's the biggest thing and we

01:32:04.940 The more and more that we're in just our culture today,

01:32:10.360 it's just that's what we ought to do.

01:32:13.280 Yeah.

01:32:13.620 You know?

01:32:15.600 For sure.

01:32:16.840 Yeah.

01:32:18.900 All right.

01:32:19.620 Ross, are you going to Invictus?

01:32:23.300 I want to.

01:32:24.440 I'm so down.

01:32:25.060 You should pull through.

01:32:25.860 I'm so down.

01:32:26.500 Let's go.

01:32:27.240 Yeah, you should come, actually.

01:32:28.200 I am going to Spider-Man.

01:32:28.940 So I usually listen to the show,

01:32:30.960 so I didn't realize that that was going on.

01:32:32.880 So what do you end up doing?

01:32:34.820 Does anyone know?

01:32:35.980 Invictus?

01:32:36.580 It's like a state secret, I think.

01:32:38.040 Yeah, it's like, I don't think the agenda's public yet.

01:32:40.900 But it's going to be fun.

01:32:42.600 Is this the inaugural men's summit?

01:32:45.000 It's going to be epic.

01:32:45.960 It's the men's summit, but it's different.

01:32:48.240 We advertised it on the show only 18 to 26.

01:32:51.700 Yep.

01:32:52.320 And the idea of it is that it is.

01:32:54.460 And it's very, it's not a lot of people.

01:32:56.580 Yeah, you have to apply.

01:32:58.680 And so it's invitation only to applicants.

01:33:01.140 And there's going to be participants.

01:33:02.720 We're not going to be releasing the speaker list ahead of time.

01:33:08.280 It's very clever.

01:33:09.440 I must say this returning point,

01:33:11.080 they're very aware of what appeals to young men versus young women,

01:33:15.800 and that young men want to do something that's maybe a little harder,

01:33:19.000 that's a little more demanding,

01:33:20.480 that isn't just out front in public and everything.

01:33:24.180 And I think they have a very interesting plan.

01:33:27.400 Yep.

01:33:27.840 But I don't know exactly what's going to be involved

01:33:29.420 because I'm not part of the secret plan.

01:33:30.660 Yeah, that's true.

01:33:31.340 and uh next time i see you guys i might have a baby yeah hey i think zuzu left a little message

01:33:37.960 hey hey hey hey you you already have a baby yeah that's so true so true we are pro-life up in this

01:33:45.140 and we we yeah i know that i know what you're saying but but it's but it's true though it's

01:33:50.820 true that i will have it in my hands that's what i meant you mean you'll literally have like on air

01:33:56.780 hey maybe

01:33:59.500 maybe I'll bring him on air

01:34:01.780 do you guys have a baby

01:34:02.940 attached to your name

01:34:04.620 we have a name

01:34:05.320 we have a name

01:34:06.160 but it's very Invictus

01:34:07.820 we're keeping it private

01:34:09.040 there it is

01:34:10.040 okay

01:34:10.540 that's good

01:34:11.220 so well

01:34:12.040 like

01:34:12.420 kind of like what Charlie and Erica did

01:34:14.820 so like just

01:34:15.400 always private you mean

01:34:16.640 or just private until

01:34:18.120 no no

01:34:18.720 private until

01:34:19.840 until he's born

01:34:21.020 and then I'll tell you

01:34:21.740 okay

01:34:22.100 got it

01:34:22.860 show

01:34:23.200 it's Agamemnon

01:34:25.840 and middle name

01:34:29.500 Odysseus.

01:34:33.480 Agamemnon

01:34:33.980 Odysseus. Call him A-O for short.

01:34:35.820 A-O. When he walks in the room

01:34:37.680 you just go A-O. A-O.

01:34:40.440 A-O.

01:34:41.340 Oh man. Love it.

01:34:43.780 That's what we did with

01:34:44.520 AJ because we did

01:34:47.600 Andre Joseph for our second and I was like

01:34:49.620 Andre Joseph? That's a mouthful. I'm calling him AJ.

01:34:51.740 AJ. That just stuck.

01:34:53.340 I love that so much. Very excited.

01:34:55.280 And I'll ask him, like, do you want us to call you Andre?

01:34:58.240 And he's like, but I'm AJ.

01:35:00.900 I love it.

01:35:01.820 I'm like, okay, so he's just AJ.

01:35:04.260 Nice.

01:35:04.820 All righty.

01:35:05.340 I think that's a perfectly good high note to go out on.

01:35:08.640 So, everybody, thank you for joining us.

01:35:10.340 We got through, like, hate topics tonight.

01:35:12.080 That was a lot of fun.

01:35:13.200 That was a blast.

01:35:14.640 We'll make sure Mikey has fond memories when he's watching all 700 episodes of One Piece with his new baby.

01:35:19.540 I'm on it.

01:35:20.240 And while he does that, we hope that he and all of you will keep.

01:35:23.720 That's a good episode, guys.

01:35:24.480 keep committing thought crimes.

01:35:54.480 You

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 01, 2026

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