Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 19 — UFC and Bud Light？ Rich, Childless Countries？ Ebony Alerts？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:04.580 Today, myself, Charlie Kirk, and the boys talk about the truth about college sports,

00:00:11.600 UFC and Bud Light, cancel culture, should we partake, ebony alerts in California,

00:00:18.380 and finally, da Jesus book.

00:00:20.800 I'm not going to explain da Jesus book.

00:00:22.940 You just have to hear it for yourself.

00:00:25.100 Ladies and gentlemen, get ready to commit thought crime.

00:00:28.140 From the age of Big Brother.

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00:00:42.420 Okay, everybody.

00:00:47.540 Happy Thursday.

00:00:48.700 It is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:51.200 Blake, how we doing?

00:00:52.020 We're doing lovely.

00:00:52.820 Fan favorite, Blake.

00:00:54.320 Tyler Boyer.

00:00:55.440 It's good to be here, Charlie.

00:00:56.260 D-backs won.

00:00:57.120 Yeah, Jack, where's your hat?

00:00:59.300 Hey, Jack, how'd the Phillies do?

00:01:00.440 Sorry, I don't watch sports.

00:01:01.380 No, Jack.

00:01:06.040 No, I'm here, guys.

00:01:07.660 I wasn't sure if the waiting for the shot to come up because what can I say?

00:01:12.940 Man of my word.

00:01:13.940 Man of my word.

00:01:15.460 Oh, he found one.

00:01:17.160 Wow.

00:01:17.780 How did he get that?

00:01:20.700 That was the only one that they had for sale out in the middle of.

00:01:23.500 Yeah, the only one that they could overnight was, where's the A?

00:01:26.520 All right.

00:01:26.980 That they could overnight was, was this.

00:01:30.420 The classic one.

00:01:31.160 There we go.

00:01:31.820 Classic one.

00:01:32.520 There we go.

00:01:33.000 I'd like to thank Tyler Boyer as well as Jessica Barshis for letting me know of my newfound and

00:01:43.120 here for a lifelong adoration of what's the name of the team again?

00:01:48.700 The team.

00:01:49.400 No, like the team.

00:01:50.400 No, I know it's Arizona, but what's the dingle bat?

00:01:53.900 Okay.

00:01:54.100 The dingle bat.

00:01:55.140 The Bobcats.

00:01:56.000 All right.

00:01:56.820 And I just, I just really support their endeavors so much.

00:02:02.060 It's the Bobbacks, right?

00:02:03.960 Tyler, you got to explain it.

00:02:05.980 This is the greatest branding disaster in the history of sports.

00:02:09.280 So it made, it made sense in the nineties, like teal and purple made sense in the nineties.

00:02:13.880 Okay, Charlie.

00:02:14.500 So the Diamondbacks, when they were, when they started, they played at bank one ballpark.

00:02:19.480 And so they called it Bob.

00:02:21.420 And so when they were like, we need a mascot.

00:02:24.020 And they, they tried a snake, but you can only do so much as a snake.

00:02:28.860 It was a costume issue.

00:02:30.220 And so they're like, oh, well, we'll just, because it's Bob, we'll call him Baxter for

00:02:35.080 Diamondbacks, the Bobcat as Bob is his home.

00:02:39.640 But then bank one got bought by Chase.

00:02:42.880 And so now it's Chase Field.

00:02:44.300 So now everyone's like super confused.

00:02:46.140 Like, why is your mascot a Bobcat?

00:02:49.260 And the Suns have the gorilla.

00:02:51.340 So we have the Phoenix Suns gorilla, which makes no sense, which is a historical thing.

00:02:55.100 And we have a Bobcat.

00:02:56.460 Wait, you have the gorilla for the Phoenix Suns?

00:02:58.520 Yeah.

00:02:59.520 It's the Suns gorilla.

00:03:00.200 Cause we had no mascot.

00:03:02.120 And so a guy used to show up, just dressed as a gorilla, dancing all around.

00:03:07.540 But Tyler, when did the purple thing stop existing?

00:03:10.720 When did they go to this awful red and black combo?

00:03:12.640 I think when they sold the team.

00:03:14.600 Was that in 2002?

00:03:15.580 When Jerry Colangelo sold the team to the Kendricks.

00:03:19.260 When was that?

00:03:20.220 It was like, it was actually like 2008, I think.

00:03:23.260 I don't like the rebrand.

00:03:24.240 I miss the old.

00:03:25.260 Well, now it's now it's Sedona red and turquoise is like, I like the old, I like the old, the

00:03:31.920 90s.

00:03:32.460 I like the old color scheme.

00:03:33.900 It does.

00:03:34.640 It is super 90s in the way all the teams that joined sports leagues from 95 to 2000 had

00:03:40.440 these, like Utah Jazz had very similar.

00:03:42.860 They had these purple-y metallic colors.

00:03:44.520 Minnesota Timberwolves.

00:03:45.240 Look at the Jaguars.

00:03:46.320 Look at the Jaguars.

00:03:47.020 The Panthers.

00:03:47.320 Seattle Seahawks.

00:03:48.540 Sonics.

00:03:49.520 They had that kind of big letter-y.

00:03:51.920 Even the Rams, the then St. Louis Rams changed to that strange metallic gold color.

00:03:57.640 Now they changed back to the gold color.

00:03:59.000 Charlotte Hornets.

00:04:00.060 Charlotte Hornets were these colors.

00:04:01.200 If everyone had this dark metallic, yeah.

00:04:05.280 And they still are.

00:04:06.060 They re-adopted them.

00:04:07.740 I miss the 90s.

00:04:08.720 Now we're going back to the real golden age, though, which is 70s uniforms.

00:04:12.460 So we were in the chat and Jack said, there's no way that the Phil's are, you know, with

00:04:18.160 their $300 million are going to drop two games of Philadelphia and boom.

00:04:23.880 Happened.

00:04:24.360 Now look at him.

00:04:25.680 Now he's a Diamondbacks fan for life.

00:04:28.320 He has no choice.

00:04:29.560 Go back.

00:04:29.920 You know that the Philadelphia Phillies have the biggest payroll of any team in baseball.

00:04:35.840 Number one, $209 million.

00:04:40.040 And half of it is Bryce Harper.

00:04:42.280 The Arizona Diamondbacks are 23 in payroll.

00:04:46.120 $62 million.

00:04:48.060 You know, they have a big payroll, but they are going to have the second most championships

00:04:52.700 in MLB this year.

00:04:54.880 Zero.

00:04:56.380 Ah.

00:04:56.860 So you're recovering.

00:04:59.540 Okay, Jack, as a Philly fan, you're used to heartbreak tragedy.

00:05:03.080 I mean, Charlie, what can I say?

00:05:04.920 You know, I've been a Philly fan my entire life.

00:05:07.720 So, I mean, you think this L is, is anything for us?

00:05:11.080 Look, we've lost world series is we've lost.

00:05:14.280 You think this is the first game seven.

00:05:15.880 The Phillies have gone down.

00:05:16.860 And then, please, we've lost Super Bowls on the world stage.

00:05:20.840 We've lost, you know, we've had champions go to the Olympics and lose big.

00:05:24.000 So, please, this is, this is like a Wednesday for us.

00:05:26.400 Well, you guys got a Super Bowl recently, though.

00:05:28.380 The Philly special.

00:05:29.420 Was that 17 or 18?

00:05:30.320 It's true.

00:05:30.600 Right?

00:05:31.320 That was when Nick, Nick Foles came in.

00:05:34.180 Was that Nick Foles who came in?

00:05:35.580 Wait, I think it was Nick Foles who came in for a, the North Dakota kid that tore his ACL.

00:05:41.240 Yes.

00:05:41.780 Yeah.

00:05:42.280 Carson Wentz.

00:05:43.060 Carson Wentz got hurt.

00:05:44.260 Greatest tragedy.

00:05:45.140 Greatest tragedy in the North Dakota history.

00:05:47.000 Yeah, but then Nick Foles, a University of Arizona product, right, Tyler?

00:05:49.260 He has a nickname that's pretty famous.

00:05:51.640 Yeah, it couldn't be.

00:05:52.240 You know, everybody thought that Foles was going to, you know, second string quarterback.

00:05:54.720 How could a second stringer win the whole thing?

00:05:57.640 So, this happens not in the Super Bowl, but a couple of games before in playoff.

00:06:01.520 So, Foles takes over who's just a washed up buster and just goes nuts.

00:06:05.580 And just, just rides it out.

00:06:07.840 Just totally rides it out and wins the game.

00:06:09.620 They beat the Patriots, if I remember correctly, in New Jersey.

00:06:14.040 It was in Meadowlands.

00:06:15.080 Yeah, that's right.

00:06:15.780 The Super Bowl was in the Meadowlands, if I remember correctly.

00:06:18.140 Very cold.

00:06:19.100 Yeah.

00:06:19.560 They were so worried it was going to be a snowstorm Super Bowl.

00:06:21.820 Actually, it ended up being okay.

00:06:22.860 Yeah.

00:06:23.160 It was like 38 degrees.

00:06:24.540 It was like a big thing.

00:06:25.420 The best lore on the Phillies, before we move on, is they do have the most losses of any professional team in American sports.

00:06:35.060 Really?

00:06:35.500 The Phillies have managed to lose 11,241 times.

00:06:41.840 So, they were just really, they were an original team that was really bad.

00:06:45.100 They were bad for a very long time.

00:06:46.780 They are bad enough that with Jack's new team, the Dingleberries, Diamondbacks, they would have to lose every single game.

00:06:53.880 Every Dingleberry.

00:06:55.140 They would have to lose every single game for something like 30 years in a row to have lost as many games as the Phillies.

00:07:02.020 We prefer D-bags, okay?

00:07:03.560 That's what they call it.

00:07:04.640 That's what they call it.

00:07:05.440 Yeah, so you see, again, Carly, like, this is nothing for us.

00:07:09.520 This is like, come on, this, I was, I remember actually having.

00:07:12.940 You're talking to a Cubs fan.

00:07:13.920 Okay, fair, okay, fair, so you know, so you know, right?

00:07:17.760 We went 104 years, Jack, okay?

00:07:21.980 No, 106, I think.

00:07:23.380 We actually had, when we were kids, I remember my dad actually had season tickets for the sort of, you know, famous 93 Phillies.

00:07:34.300 And went to, you know, went to a ton of the games.

00:07:37.500 Got to see Nails play, Lenny Dykstra.

00:07:39.880 Got to see everybody, Mike Schmidt, even earlier than that.

00:07:42.720 So it was just a really cool time.

00:07:44.900 And, you know, growing up, that's back when the games were held at Veterans Stadium, which doesn't even exist anymore.

00:07:49.860 And I remember just, you know, we would, you know, we could only, we only had enough money for two tickets.

00:07:54.920 So what my brother and I, what my dad would do is, you know, one of us would go to one game, one would go to the other.

00:07:59.760 Basically, we'd switch off.

00:08:00.680 Well, best of luck in, I think it starts tomorrow, right?

00:08:05.820 First game?

00:08:06.720 Yeah.

00:08:06.960 Texas Rangers?

00:08:08.000 First game in Arlington.

00:08:10.940 In Arlington.

00:08:11.560 Where they don't win a lot of games in Arlington.

00:08:13.260 It's right next to Jerry Stadium.

00:08:14.600 They win on the road, actually.

00:08:15.500 By the way, Tyler, I'm not sure what the confines of our bet were, but this is like a winter cap and I've got the heat on in here.

00:08:21.640 And this is like.

00:08:22.580 Whole show.

00:08:23.200 What?

00:08:23.420 What?

00:08:24.340 Whole show.

00:08:24.880 You just have to pull it to the crown of your head and wear it like they wear it in Philly.

00:08:28.220 Suffering gives meaning to life, Jack.

00:08:29.940 All show.

00:08:30.220 We said, we said, we said the show, but I don't know.

00:08:33.560 Yeah.

00:08:33.660 By the way, whole show or a portion of the show.

00:08:36.180 Tim Pool wears that hat forever.

00:08:38.160 So don't give me that.

00:08:39.220 Okay.

00:08:39.620 I thought this.

00:08:40.200 Is this not Tim Pool?

00:08:42.000 I thought this.

00:08:42.860 I thought this was Tim Pool.

00:08:44.060 I was.

00:08:44.380 For a second, I thought we were.

00:08:45.140 Oh, it's Jack.

00:08:46.340 Oh.

00:08:46.820 Yeah.

00:08:47.060 Yeah.

00:08:47.280 Yeah.

00:08:47.580 No.

00:08:47.840 See, because it's, because it's got the A on it for proposal.

00:08:51.080 All right.

00:08:51.640 I just want to, I want to reiterate something that was said.

00:08:53.780 I just want to fact check real quick.

00:08:55.200 This was the first game seven that the Phillies have ever lost.

00:08:59.280 Is that right?

00:09:00.000 It was the first game seven they've ever been to in their history.

00:09:01.720 Is that right?

00:09:02.780 That's crazy.

00:09:03.260 That's crazy.

00:09:04.160 In a long time.

00:09:05.340 But they won a World Series like in 08 or something, right?

00:09:07.860 Yeah.

00:09:07.960 But they didn't go to game seven.

00:09:09.200 Okay.

00:09:09.620 But they still, like this whole like complaining, if you win one more than every 50 years, you're

00:09:14.080 fine.

00:09:14.940 Yeah.

00:09:15.160 And Bryce Harper, how can you like Bryce Harper?

00:09:17.700 How can you like Schwarber?

00:09:19.040 I mean, Schwarber looks like a dad.

00:09:20.800 Hold on.

00:09:20.960 He gave the Cubs a World Series.

00:09:22.560 He is a relic in the pantheon of Cubs legends.

00:09:25.980 I was laughing at Lauren because we were watching.

00:09:28.500 Schwarber looks like your average dad in the pickup line at school.

00:09:32.200 I'm supposed to not like him for that reason?

00:09:34.320 That makes him sound awesome.

00:09:35.540 He also has the most home runs of any left-handed hitter.

00:09:37.680 He's incredible.

00:09:38.700 He's scary.

00:09:39.500 He's also like the worst hitter to be a big home run hitter.

00:09:43.360 Doesn't he average 190 or something bad on the average?

00:09:46.180 All he does is hit a home run or go out.

00:09:49.080 That's why it's scary when you're only up.

00:09:51.820 Yeah.

00:09:52.520 So we can go in multiple directions.

00:09:54.660 We want to go right into the sports angle, Blake?

00:09:56.380 We might as well.

00:09:57.100 Let's start with the UFC thing.

00:09:59.100 Because, I mean, just so everyone understands kind of how we're approaching this.

00:10:02.020 You got wars and rumors of war.

00:10:04.580 We got mass shootings in Maine.

00:10:05.940 We got houses surrounded.

00:10:07.720 We got another potential mass shooting in New Jersey.

00:10:10.440 We just had a Speaker of the House.

00:10:12.140 We have an invasion on the southern border.

00:10:13.800 We got a lot of negative stuff.

00:10:15.340 In Maine.

00:10:17.260 Right.

00:10:18.320 And we have three hours of that we do every day.

00:10:20.780 Jack does it for a couple hours.

00:10:22.040 And so he said, you know what?

00:10:23.280 Let's just take a temporary little detour.

00:10:24.960 Which, by the way, the sports angle.

00:10:26.640 And then can get into Dana White and UFC and Bud Light.

00:10:29.560 So we can kind of do this.

00:10:31.080 But let's just start with the topic that we'd usually wait for longer.

00:10:35.260 Which is college sports.

00:10:36.520 NIL.

00:10:37.420 Name image likeness.

00:10:38.920 This is a ridiculously interesting topic.

00:10:41.540 Everyone listening.

00:10:42.360 Even if you're not a sports fan.

00:10:43.700 This topic will get your curiosity.

00:10:45.620 Because you are living through a total seismic change in philanthropy, college sports, higher education, young men, and how they get paid when they play football.

00:10:54.420 Blake, walk us through it.

00:10:55.520 Okay.

00:10:55.980 So this has all started our discussion.

00:10:58.500 There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago.

00:11:00.720 It was called, How Rich Donors and Loose Rules are Transforming College Sports.

00:11:05.680 And it's this massive, massive piece.

00:11:07.700 I encourage people to look it up.

00:11:09.040 But I also extracted some details from it.

00:11:12.640 So a few years ago, the NCAA lost a Supreme Court case, which said, you know, you can't stop players from profiting off their name image likeness.

00:11:21.900 And so this opened the door to players receiving some compensation while being college athletes.

00:11:29.220 And it took very little time for this to evolve.

00:11:32.040 This decision was, I want to say, about three years ago or so.

00:11:34.940 Not even.

00:11:35.180 And it's already become this new thing where what donors have realized they can do is they set up these donor collectives, they call them.

00:11:43.840 There's more than 100 of these now at all the big schools.

00:11:46.780 Donor collectives.

00:11:47.920 And they essentially just collect money from boosters of this school.

00:11:51.300 Some of them are for-profit entities or at least not not-for-profit.

00:11:54.700 And some are non-profits that you can donate to and get a tax deduction for it.

00:11:58.220 And these collectives come up with various ways to play players overwhelmingly in D1 college football or D1 college basketball.

00:12:07.240 And some of these details are just crazy.

00:12:09.540 So one player at Michigan State University makes $750,000 per year as a college athlete.

00:12:16.820 At Ohio State University, some players not only get a paycheck, they get a free car lease as well.

00:12:23.780 This is Utah, by the way.

00:12:25.160 Utah.

00:12:25.540 Kyle Whittington.

00:12:26.160 Utah also has this.

00:12:26.780 Who, by the way, is a bully and will hopefully be by the Oregon Ducks this weekend.

00:12:30.040 Just gave every player a Dodge truck.

00:12:32.060 Yeah, $61,000 Dodge.

00:12:33.140 He's like, if you play for me, you all get a truck.

00:12:35.760 Who did it come from?

00:12:37.400 It's just paid for.

00:12:39.200 Larry, what's his name?

00:12:40.720 It's on the Utah Jet.

00:12:42.420 He has a bunch of dealerships down here, too.

00:12:44.340 I have no idea.

00:12:44.840 And just Cade McNamara, he was a quarterback at Michigan.

00:12:48.360 He's not even good, and he was going to transfer.

00:12:49.240 He got hurt.

00:12:49.760 He went to Iowa.

00:12:50.460 He got hurt, and he transferred.

00:12:51.140 And he just essentially openly says, yeah, I'm just looking at the different offers.

00:12:54.280 You know, who's got?

00:12:54.800 It's like LeBron James.

00:12:55.980 Get that cut, Ryan.

00:12:58.260 I will bring my talents to South.

00:12:59.900 Remember that, the announcement?

00:13:00.740 Taking my talents to South Beach.

00:13:01.740 Do you remember that announcement?

00:13:02.720 One of the most ridiculous moments?

00:13:04.400 The decision.

00:13:05.220 That was crazy.

00:13:05.740 That got like 12 million views.

00:13:07.480 Remember that?

00:13:07.840 But at least LeBron James was a full professional.

00:13:11.100 What is crazy about this?

00:13:12.980 So Cade McNamara is at one taxpayer-funded public university where he says, you know, I'm going

00:13:19.220 to transfer and go where the best offer is.

00:13:21.080 He ends up transferring to Iowa, another taxpayer-funded public university.

00:13:25.240 He is paid $600 per hour for a non-profit job of delivering meals to seniors and visiting

00:13:33.140 children in hospitals.

00:13:34.240 $600 an hour is what a New York corporate attorney who's a partner would make.

00:13:38.400 The IRS is going to come after this pretty hard.

00:13:40.620 But they haven't so far.

00:13:42.220 They have.

00:13:42.500 No, they have.

00:13:43.180 There's a letter.

00:13:44.160 There is.

00:13:44.660 There's a guidance letter on collectives, right?

00:13:46.780 That's it.

00:13:47.420 No, their guidance letter said in July that they're basically going to start coming after

00:13:53.540 all these C3s.

00:13:54.840 I will believe it when I see consequences for it.

00:13:58.900 And I think in the medium term, though, it is...

00:14:01.020 Well, it takes them two years to three years to respond to anything.

00:14:04.320 So it does stand out to me, though, that when you think of the reasons people would traditionally

00:14:09.220 give for liking college sports so much, even though it is a lower level of play than

00:14:13.980 professional, it's, you know, they would cite the identifying with the school, the ideal

00:14:20.820 of a student athlete, amateurism historically, just really identifying with a specific place.

00:14:28.800 And it just does seem very jarring, at least to me, that it becomes so mercenary that everyone

00:14:34.640 is essentially just going to pick what place can pay me the most under this new setup and

00:14:39.560 becoming this de facto minor league for a major pro sports league when they're still mostly

00:14:43.740 public schools that are doing this.

00:14:45.000 Well, let's also, let's be honest, though.

00:14:46.800 First of all, with all the conference realignment, this was happening anyway, right?

00:14:49.960 So as far as the kind of professionalization of college sports, the innocence of college

00:14:54.840 sports has been dying for quite some time.

00:14:56.540 But I want to push back a little bit, though, Blake.

00:14:58.400 So I met an individual, I'm not going to say who, Tyler knows who this person is, I'll

00:15:01.940 put it in the chat.

00:15:02.680 And he was a kicker for a Big 12 team, okay?

00:15:04.900 He was in politics.

00:15:06.460 And he was like, hey, look, I remember he hit a game-winning field goal, right?

00:15:10.800 He played for a team in the Big 12, went to his locker, and there's $10,000 cash waiting

00:15:15.520 in his locker.

00:15:16.540 So it happened all the time.

00:15:18.180 So if you think this is new, players have been getting paid hardcore cash.

00:15:24.480 It's just the devil's advocate, Blake, it's just that now it's out in the open.

00:15:27.680 I'll give you another example.

00:15:28.440 I know another college athlete, played for USC, dumb as a boxer rocks.

00:15:31.200 Sweet kid, right?

00:15:32.480 Again, intelligence, as Tucker Carlson said, is not a moral value.

00:15:38.140 Um, and so, dumb guy, they would pay the players in the off-season through the non-profit

00:15:45.880 of the foundation to just literally, like, watch footballs.

00:15:48.920 Like, just watch the footballs.

00:15:51.380 So, Blake, it just seems to be now in the public eye.

00:15:55.580 Reggie Bush was paid, Matt Leinart was paid.

00:15:57.420 Yeah, it's always been there.

00:15:59.080 It does seem, it's more glaring now.

00:16:01.780 And I guess, taking a step back, if people like college football or college basketball,

00:16:07.260 more power to you.

00:16:08.200 What bothers me, I will say, is, again, that we are corrupting institutions that ostensibly

00:16:13.580 have a different purpose.

00:16:14.660 Because these, we still pretend these people are student athletes.

00:16:18.040 We still say they're supposed to take classes.

00:16:20.740 And then, in turn, we corrupt these institutions.

00:16:22.880 So, if you go to some of these schools, UNC's had scandals about this, Ohio State has had

00:16:27.960 scandals about this, where, okay, you're a student athlete, but because you're one of

00:16:32.320 our scholarship student athletes, you have a separate dorm area, you go to a different

00:16:36.120 building for classes, we have special athlete-only classes, we have special athlete-only tutors

00:16:40.080 who, you know, assist you a lot in your scholarly endeavors.

00:16:45.560 And we gut all of these things.

00:16:48.720 We'll gut academic standards.

00:16:49.900 We've had scandals at our military service academies, where professors have complained,

00:16:55.400 we are lowering academic standards for people whose job is to protect the United States in

00:17:00.520 order to make sure that the, you know, the Navy midshipmen are able to win more football

00:17:03.980 games.

00:17:04.360 And they've won a lot of football games as a result.

00:17:07.160 And it does, it just bothers me that this is, apparently, like, the supreme expression of

00:17:12.860 American values is competition in college sports, such that we will dilute illustrious institutions

00:17:18.820 for the sake of getting those victories.

00:17:20.980 Well, so, Tyler, you know, to talk about this, talk about how the money flows.

00:17:24.440 This is what's interesting.

00:17:25.780 So, this has a political overture.

00:17:28.320 Yes.

00:17:28.540 Because the architecture is similar.

00:17:30.160 The architecture is most identical.

00:17:32.120 We happen to think of ourselves a little bit pros on how the left funds itself over at

00:17:39.140 Turning Point Action.

00:17:40.380 Charlie has spent a ton of time on this.

00:17:42.040 So, if you've heard of Arabella Advisors, so you know Arabella, they have become the epicenter

00:17:50.860 at manipulating C3 dollars in order to push a political narrative, right?

00:17:57.520 That's what that, that's all they've done.

00:17:59.060 And how they've done it is very simple.

00:18:00.640 It's very similar to how NIL is doing it, specifically with these collectives, as you've

00:18:05.300 mentioned.

00:18:06.280 These collectives now have been slapped by the IRS saying, we're going to come after you,

00:18:11.200 we're going to audit you.

00:18:11.880 So, they've already started moving into for-profit collectives and then taking C3 dollars from

00:18:17.000 C3 organizations that are legit C3 organizations that have existed for years and years and years

00:18:21.100 and years, because this is the big problem.

00:18:23.360 And Charlie knows this really, really well.

00:18:25.320 New C3s are under a microscope much more often than old C3s.

00:18:31.200 So, like the American Heart Association, probably not going to get, you know, going to get canceled

00:18:37.260 anytime soon by the IRS.

00:18:38.340 But a brand new political C3, like what happened under Obama, is going to get yanked.

00:18:43.980 And so, this is what's happening with the NILs.

00:18:45.320 The NILs, these new C3 collectives, are getting scrutinized.

00:18:50.040 And so, they're going now to old C3s that have existed, family foundations, things like

00:18:55.440 that that have existed, and said, give the money to them.

00:18:59.360 Get your write-off.

00:19:00.660 They will now give money to these for-profit collectives.

00:19:04.140 The for-profit collectives, they don't have to worry about very much there anyways.

00:19:07.740 They're not worried about taxes and paying taxes.

00:19:09.420 They're getting tons of money.

00:19:10.980 And now, those for-profit collectives are now giving the money and the gifts and things

00:19:14.300 like that to the students.

00:19:15.940 And that's the future.

00:19:17.360 And that is exactly how Arabella operates.

00:19:19.420 Arabella operates as a for-profit entity that takes in all these C3 dollars.

00:19:22.860 It's this massive web of money.

00:19:24.860 And so, Jack, your thoughts on this, on college sports in general, but also, you know,

00:19:29.460 has this actually always been as innocent as we like to think?

00:19:34.280 Well, Charlie, I think we, you know, and of course, you've done the yeoman's work on

00:19:39.640 exposing colleges in terms of the general scam of colleges.

00:19:44.200 And so, what we're really talking about here is a subset of the college scam.

00:19:49.600 So, the college sports scam is really, you know, you could write a new chapter or even

00:19:53.700 sort of like a sequel to your last book on this because, again, we've totally gotten

00:19:59.480 away from colleges as an institution of learning, as a place where, again, people were supposed

00:20:06.280 to go.

00:20:06.820 And not everybody, right?

00:20:08.380 Not everybody was going to college when these things originally started.

00:20:11.400 It was a very small subset of people.

00:20:13.620 Most people graduated school and went right into the workforce if they went to school at

00:20:16.600 all or had any of this.

00:20:17.440 But it's become so much of a credentialing factory, a diploma mill, if you will, in terms

00:20:23.460 of this.

00:20:23.960 And so, now, by and large, the same way that you see these endowments, the same way you

00:20:29.220 see these universities being run as essentially hedge funds with an academics department, you're

00:20:34.700 seeing these sports departments and, you know, in many cases, just football.

00:20:38.820 It's not always football.

00:20:39.520 It's generally football that leads it.

00:20:41.180 This has become not just the driver of the institution, but actually its own enterprise

00:20:46.300 unto itself.

00:20:47.460 And, again, the university and all of it, it's just there for show or there, by the

00:20:53.760 way, for them to justify more federal funding that they're able to receive for their giant

00:20:58.960 new center, their giant new center, whatever it is.

00:21:02.480 We've completely lost sight of what the purpose of college or university should be.

00:21:07.880 And, by the way, I say that as a guy who I didn't go there, but my dad, most people in

00:21:12.520 my family went to Penn State.

00:21:13.800 We're a big, actually, Posobics are a huge Penn State family.

00:21:17.300 We are the Nittany Lions, all of that.

00:21:20.720 And, you know, I didn't go myself because I didn't want to live in State College.

00:21:24.500 But the idea is that these universities have become basically a world unto themselves,

00:21:30.060 a money machine unto themselves.

00:21:31.860 And we're seeing it, Charlie.

00:21:32.820 It's become this massive influx and flow of money to the enemies of the republic, to

00:21:40.280 the enemies of patriots, to the enemies, in this case, of civilization.

00:21:44.340 And so when I see something like this going on, you know, my first thought is, why do we

00:21:48.540 allow these people to be non-profit, to go back to what Tyler was saying, why do we allow

00:21:51.720 them to have non-profit status at all?

00:21:53.480 Why do we give them IRS rates when they're taking in this much money?

00:21:56.600 Why do we allow these things to operate with federal funds in many cases at public institutions?

00:22:01.700 We should obviously be cracking up this entire system, opening the books, figuring out if

00:22:07.600 they owe taxes, make them pay taxes on all of these things.

00:22:10.760 And when it comes down to the student debt crisis, you know, I'm not really much of a

00:22:14.900 conservatarian on it.

00:22:16.040 I'm not really a boomer con on this.

00:22:17.780 Take the money from the universities that have it.

00:22:19.920 Use that to pay off the debt.

00:22:20.920 I really don't care.

00:22:22.680 Yeah, Jake Blake.

00:22:23.760 Oh, I was just, there was a comment.

00:22:25.280 I want to respond to a comment in the chat, Ilonzo Musk, where he says, there are many things

00:22:29.820 corrupting colleges and sports is low on the list.

00:22:33.240 I don't know if I agree that it's low on the list.

00:22:34.960 The amount of money that we're talking about here is pretty, pretty substantial.

00:22:38.180 But I do agree there are a lot of things that are corrupting it.

00:22:40.860 We just had an article shared in our show chat that points out, you know, Qatar has funneled

00:22:46.240 tons of money into U.S. universities.

00:22:48.720 We know Saudi Arabia has funneled a lot of money in.

00:22:51.080 The Chinese Communist Party has funneled money in.

00:22:53.000 And then nevermind the sheer number of just normal people of bizarre ideological stripes

00:22:58.380 who put money in our universities and enable all sorts of absolute insanity in them.

00:23:04.100 And I think all of that is true.

00:23:05.820 And I think, but I do think sports, because it is so high profile and because so many people

00:23:12.460 watch it and engage with it and are really aware of what happens.

00:23:15.960 And we're going to get these long articles about it in the New York Times.

00:23:18.580 Because it's maybe a useful way for us to think about our country's relationship with

00:23:22.880 our higher education institutions.

00:23:24.860 Well, yeah, and this is an important point.

00:23:26.440 So you know who the biggest fans of kind of the popularity of college football is?

00:23:32.280 Are the people that want the institutions to remain woke.

00:23:35.880 Hear me out.

00:23:36.740 One of the things that stop major donors from completely detaching from these universities

00:23:43.440 is a successful college football program.

00:23:46.060 Exactly.

00:23:46.360 Let's just take one school, for example, University of Alabama.

00:23:48.800 They are totally captured.

00:23:50.660 DEI, woke, all that stuff.

00:23:52.820 But that football culture is so strong, they're going to keep on raising money.

00:23:56.440 They're going to keep on having a money flow.

00:23:58.360 And so what we're looking at actually is one of the reasons we have not been able to get

00:24:03.080 the rallying cry from conservative America to stop giving money or at least stopping sending

00:24:07.980 kids or stop supporting is because they want to keep on cheering on their favorite college

00:24:12.360 football team.

00:24:12.820 And I'm guilty of this too.

00:24:13.980 It's a huge, it is a form of, it is, it's weaponizing your emotional attachments against

00:24:19.080 you.

00:24:19.940 And I think in other contexts, we're much more aware of them doing that.

00:24:24.800 People have noticed this when they make, you know, woke versions of Star Wars or Lord

00:24:28.740 of the Rings or something that they're trying to take something you care about and use it

00:24:33.300 to hurt you or propagandize you and so forth.

00:24:35.700 And with college, we're seeing this at, you know, once, once removed.

00:24:39.580 So the product itself is not intolerably woke, but it is being used to keep you attached and

00:24:47.020 serving this system that is enormously politicized, is enormously damaging to everything you care

00:24:53.700 about that isn't college sports.

00:24:55.500 Now, maybe that's not saying a lot because at the rate they're spending money on some of

00:24:59.760 these things, it seems there are people who only care about college sports.

00:25:03.020 Yes, so this is a good transition, though, also to the Jewish donors that are starting

00:25:09.000 to divest their funds from higher education.

00:25:12.480 This seems to start to have a lot of momentum today.

00:25:14.760 Leon Cooperman, legend, billionaire, investor, basically went on Fox Business.

00:25:19.160 Do we have that clip he swore?

00:25:20.540 And he's like, these kids are morons.

00:25:22.380 I've given $50 million.

00:25:23.760 I'm no longer going to be supporting Columbia.

00:25:26.160 You see this with Bill Ackman, with Harvard.

00:25:29.480 You see this with Ken Griffin, with Harvard, the Huntsman, with Penn.

00:25:33.700 Tyler, these universities are actually far more fickle and fragile financially than people

00:25:38.000 realize.

00:25:38.460 You sat on the Board of Regents here in Arizona.

00:25:40.740 You know, there is this, there's this belief that they're sitting on billions of dollars,

00:25:45.380 but a lot of it is land and immovable assets and, you know, things they can't liquidate.

00:25:49.760 Tyler, talk about how financially fragile these universities actually are and how college

00:25:54.980 sports is a major part of it.

00:25:57.380 Well, yeah, you just brought up John Huntsman's no conservative, right?

00:26:00.680 No, he's a left-winger LARPing as a Republican.

00:26:03.080 We're talking about like moderates now are starting to pull their money.

00:26:05.840 And now, this has happened in the background, by the way.

00:26:08.920 A lot of the academic enterprise, you know, that's happening in all these different states

00:26:14.560 is now going, holy crap, like all these moderates that we thought, these rhinos that we

00:26:18.740 thought were our friends, are now pulling back money.

00:26:20.560 There's serious talk the president of Penn might have to resign over what their donors

00:26:24.280 are saying.

00:26:25.040 Because like Charlie just said, the only, most of these assets are not liquid.

00:26:30.920 This is what's important.

00:26:31.760 So, for example, like Harvard has a $45 billion endowment, sort of.

00:26:35.580 Sort of.

00:26:36.300 They have, and not to mention, it's all wrapped up in land.

00:26:40.240 It's all wrapped up in investment.

00:26:41.380 A lot of land, a lot of buildings.

00:26:42.220 It's all wrapped up in investment.

00:26:42.980 A lot of 10-year investments.

00:26:44.700 Bonding projects.

00:26:45.780 Yes, exactly.

00:26:46.180 All this stuff.

00:26:46.720 So, you have those three things on top of it.

00:26:48.360 And then, all the money that they have access to is controlled by a large board.

00:26:54.900 Not to mention, there's also, no one ever talks about this.

00:26:57.620 There's an invisible hand that's at almost every university that sometimes controls the

00:27:01.440 board of trustees or regents that they have to work through, which is usually staff.

00:27:05.100 It's usually.

00:27:05.960 Like a deep state.

00:27:06.620 It's like a deep state.

00:27:07.800 University of Arizona, you just brought up.

00:27:09.600 Hate that place.

00:27:10.260 It belongs in Mexico.

00:27:12.380 It should be the University of North Mexico.

00:27:14.540 Honestly, the country would be a better place.

00:27:15.980 It would be honestly such a better place.

00:27:17.440 If Tima County was in Mexico, great country.

00:27:19.780 Yeah, we would.

00:27:20.740 We would win Arizona by 10 points.

00:27:22.360 By a lot.

00:27:22.980 Yeah.

00:27:23.600 And that's eventually all the craziness that's happening.

00:27:25.500 That's a future episode of Swing State Update.

00:27:28.480 But I will tell you this right now.

00:27:30.920 The only money that they do have liquid is in their foundations.

00:27:34.480 And there's not that much capital there, though.

00:27:36.160 No.

00:27:36.520 Because it's hard to raise C3 money.

00:27:38.360 But I mean, look, ASU, you brought up ASU.

00:27:40.600 The number one foundation that exists in Arizona, or maybe it's not number one, but it's really

00:27:45.460 close, is ASU's foundation.

00:27:47.660 They're sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:27:50.940 They raise $150 million a year, $200 million a year.

00:27:55.860 A lot of corporate money, right?

00:27:56.960 Well, they've pushed all that money.

00:27:58.140 So the thing that you just brought up is they've said, hey, stop giving to the university.

00:28:02.880 You should start giving to the foundation.

00:28:04.000 Why?

00:28:04.840 Because now the university president can pay him and all his friends, like, six, seven-figure

00:28:09.800 salaries.

00:28:10.680 You know, Brnovich was the one that actually started to expose this.

00:28:13.920 Yes.

00:28:14.440 To his credit.

00:28:15.260 And, you know, he got attacked big time.

00:28:17.880 So, Jack, you're a Philadelphia guy, as we could tell by your hat.

00:28:21.780 You better still be wearing that hat, Jack.

00:28:24.420 Let me see.

00:28:24.860 Do you mean this one?

00:28:25.880 Yeah.

00:28:26.160 Do you mean this hat right here?

00:28:26.980 Oh, I forgot it was even there.

00:28:28.840 I forgot it was even there.

00:28:29.540 So, Jack, UPenn is kind of the center of this.

00:28:32.840 And Blake mentioned this.

00:28:33.580 Let me just kind of go through this.

00:28:35.020 Wharton megadonor and billionaire Mark Rowan has stopped giving and publicly calling on

00:28:38.900 all large donors to close their checkbooks.

00:28:40.460 Mark Rowan, by the way, is a conservative Jewish donor.

00:28:43.480 He gives money to the NRSC, and he said he's done.

00:28:46.520 Utah billionaire John Huntsman has stopped giving to UPenn.

00:28:49.160 David Megerman, who has helped build Renaissance Technologies, which is the Mercer family.

00:28:53.940 Wait, Huntsman said that?

00:28:54.840 Yeah.

00:28:55.120 Uh, Renaissance Technologies was Mercer and, uh, Simmons or something like that.

00:28:59.780 It was Mercer.

00:29:00.120 No, but you know, the, the, the building at Wharton is named literally Huntsman's.

00:29:04.360 No, and they're done.

00:29:05.580 That's what's amazing.

00:29:06.840 Jonathan Jacobson.

00:29:07.880 Of his father.

00:29:08.340 Yeah, of course.

00:29:10.000 High-saged ventures who has given tens of millions of UPenn his closest checkbook.

00:29:13.220 So, so, Jack, you're, you spent a lot of time in Philadelphia.

00:29:15.900 University of Pennsylvania is kind of the, the, the ivory tower of ivory tower of like

00:29:19.640 the intelligentsia of Philadelphia.

00:29:23.120 So do we have any, and I'm going to ask Blake this question because he went to the Ivy League

00:29:26.660 school.

00:29:26.900 So we have to ask him, but I'll get to him in a second because people, we have affirmative

00:29:29.480 action against Ivy League people.

00:29:31.300 So, uh, let's Jack who should get the question first.

00:29:34.560 Is this, is this real or is this bluster?

00:29:36.500 Is there going to be, well, do you think that these rich guys will eventually have a bunch

00:29:39.880 of meetings and dinners and eventually be kind of like, oh, it's not that bad.

00:29:44.260 And we made some reforms or we actually seeing what we've been calling for, which is a starting

00:29:50.660 of a conscious of the rich, like better elites.

00:29:53.500 We have been asking for rich people to start to act, to act ethically, not to get rid of

00:29:58.260 rich people, just have rich people that care about the nation care about their giving.

00:30:02.900 Jack, is this the beginning of a promising trend?

00:30:06.860 Yeah.

00:30:07.360 I mean, Charlie, when you're, we're talking about the, when you put the name Huntsman out

00:30:10.780 there that really, that really shocked me because I, um, you know, I've, people know

00:30:14.900 Abby Huntsman from her work on TV.

00:30:17.340 Don't need to get into all that right now.

00:30:18.600 People know who she is.

00:30:19.400 They know her father for being the governor of Utah, but Huntsman senior, um, this was

00:30:23.640 the guy who invented like the styrofoam that make egg cartons.

00:30:28.520 He invented the, remember the big Mac clam, you know, the clam, the big Macs, he invented

00:30:33.420 that.

00:30:33.920 Okay.

00:30:34.320 A lot of the plastic that you have in, in, you know, disposable, um, silverware for these

00:30:39.460 types of things that was all Huntsman senior Huntsman chemicals.

00:30:41.740 So the amount of money we are talking about here is, is serious, uh, just, just world

00:30:47.680 level generational wealth that Huntsman's have.

00:30:50.460 And so the idea that they're going to be pulling out, I guess I'll believe it when I

00:30:56.040 see it, Charlie, that's why we need, you know, it, what we really need is some type of

00:31:02.000 watchdog organization to keep an eye on these donors, particularly when it comes to campus.

00:31:08.840 I know if only there was a professor list that was updated in real time, we could call

00:31:15.320 it like a professor watch list and we could actually list the names.

00:31:18.660 I will say, Tyler, you've been around for almost eight years now, right?

00:31:21.980 It's eight years, I think.

00:31:22.900 Right.

00:31:23.340 What is it?

00:31:24.320 Nine years.

00:31:24.980 Tyler's older than eight.

00:31:26.020 No.

00:31:26.340 And I think January is your nine year anniversary, right?

00:31:28.540 Of being 24.

00:31:30.380 15.

00:31:31.200 Yeah.

00:31:31.520 Yeah.

00:31:31.820 Nine years.

00:31:32.420 Like professor watch lists will go down as to one of the greatest thing you've ever

00:31:35.080 done.

00:31:35.500 Period.

00:31:35.860 It's one of the, it's one of the biggest spikes that we've ever had.

00:31:39.640 It's one of the coolest things we've ever done.

00:31:41.460 So, so Blake, you went to an Ivy league school, you're super smart, you know, high IQ, Dartmouth,

00:31:45.940 you know, high society kind of psychology really well.

00:31:49.540 I'm not even being, I'm not being sarcastic.

00:31:51.760 Is this real or is this bluster?

00:31:53.660 What I will want to see is rich people can have their obsessions and be very focused on

00:32:00.440 things.

00:32:00.900 And right now it is driven by a news event with a very narrow application to it, which

00:32:06.580 is these schools are having radical anti-Israel groups that frequently just cross the line

00:32:12.520 into overt anti-Semitism.

00:32:13.920 And the narrow version of this would be, they try to placate either, well, one, they forget

00:32:19.080 about it or two, they placate them by essentially cracking down on this narrow set of groups,

00:32:24.740 which is, you know, students for justice and Palatine, you get the heave ho, you guys suck.

00:32:29.960 And that would be a huge missed opportunity.

00:32:33.140 I think if that's the outcome that we get.

00:32:34.940 And the other risk I would see is if we see conservative leaning donors, instead of us

00:32:41.360 dragging them away from enabling all this hateful rhetoric, we just end up dragging ourselves

00:32:46.740 into it's okay to do lots of censorship and we'll be okay with censoring conservatives as

00:32:52.080 long as we also censor some left-wing groups that criticize Israel or whatever group you

00:32:57.760 have.

00:32:58.860 And I'm not sure what the right outcome is going to be, but I've been, I didn't like

00:33:03.140 how in Florida, Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order, I believe, or someone in

00:33:07.940 his government did, that just said, we're unilaterally de-recognizing, all of our colleges

00:33:12.980 are ordered to de-recognize the following pro-Palestine groups.

00:33:16.360 And I don't like it because one, they're going to lose in court, and two, they're really, they

00:33:22.800 are damaging the fact that we are pro-free speech.

00:33:25.380 And I would rather, instead of just having this turn into a bad for free speech thing, it

00:33:29.300 turns into a don't give infinite money to universities for whatever they want thing.

00:33:33.780 Yeah, so this is important, let's just, so this is, so Florida orders, mostly it's Ron

00:33:38.760 DeSantis, state universities to disband pro-Palestinian student group saying it backs Hamas.

00:33:46.300 So, sorry to interrupt you, Blake, but just so everyone understands, this is a student group

00:33:49.680 that I've gone up against, so is Tyler, it's called Students for Justice of Palestine.

00:33:53.440 They're nearly ubiquitous, in some ways they're the Arab Muslim turning point USA, they're

00:33:58.740 scrappy, would you say that's fair, Tyler?

00:34:00.480 They're activistic, not as well, actually they might be as well funded because they

00:34:03.240 get Muslim, they do get, so Blake, just to play devil's advocate though, they get Muslim

00:34:07.900 brotherhood money, they get suspicious capital flows from the Middle East, that's proven.

00:34:13.600 Why, why should we allow that on campuses?

00:34:16.400 By the way, I tend to agree with you, Blake, but I'm just playing devil's advocate.

00:34:18.780 Why would we allow student groups that receive money from legit terror organizations on our

00:34:25.340 university campuses?

00:34:26.560 If they're getting illegal money, I would say go after the illegal money.

00:34:29.920 Well, they directly aren't, but the national organization is, right?

00:34:33.220 And they spread it out as you well know.

00:34:35.320 Yeah, well, I, again, I'm a bit of an absolutist on speech, so I don't like the idea of anyone

00:34:39.660 just getting shut down for that reason, and that is unfortunately the reason that DeSantis,

00:34:45.600 is that the Florida government was giving, which is they, by speaking in support of what

00:34:49.820 Hamas did, are giving support to them.

00:34:52.560 And that's a standard we definitely do not want to prevail, because what is the argument

00:34:56.600 of every single bad left-wing initiative?

00:34:59.200 That we are a terrorist.

00:35:00.080 Yeah, that we, we're intimidating people, we are threatening them with our political advocacy,

00:35:05.940 Trump caused the insurrection because he said that we're going to fight.

00:35:08.980 We do not want that to become the norm, because if that is the rule, it is a rule that will

00:35:13.300 be used against us far more than it will be used against anyone on the left.

00:35:17.020 And I just personally believe it's immoral for its own sake.

00:35:20.480 So, Tyler, do you think, I see it both ways, honestly.

00:35:22.920 So, are, I mean, some of the language that these kids use, this is not like advocacy at

00:35:26.760 times, this is legit Jew hatred, and like, I want to kill my opponent.

00:35:30.720 It's not about speech, though, to me.

00:35:32.520 It's about, like you said, Charlie, funding.

00:35:35.380 So, it's not about speech, right?

00:35:37.000 I think you should be, I agree, you should be, if you're an American on an American university

00:35:42.080 campus, say whatever dumb thing that you want, right?

00:35:45.900 And that's fine.

00:35:47.280 But if you're an organization that's coming onto the campus that's funded from an outside

00:35:51.240 group, it's just like, it's like the Saudis buying our land in Arizona.

00:35:55.020 It's like Saudis buying up farmland.

00:35:56.840 It's like the Chinese buying up, buying up houses, right?

00:35:59.820 And land.

00:36:00.540 I don't think that that should happen.

00:36:02.080 And so, I think that there is such thing as ideological real estate at our universities

00:36:08.720 that we should fund and allow.

00:36:10.660 And it's the same way.

00:36:11.860 It's like, we shouldn't allow them to be able to purchase that.

00:36:13.560 So, I think what we want here is, you want the direction to not be, you have these groups

00:36:18.820 on campus and must ban them.

00:36:21.000 I would like the focus to be, here's all these professors whose chairs you endowed.

00:36:27.060 We have these endowed chairs, and these professors are lunatics who endorse all of this.

00:36:30.980 I think we can object to having professors who produce no useful scholarship in most cases.

00:36:37.200 They literally have grievance-related positions in, you know, ethnic studies.

00:36:42.500 They'll have Middle Eastern studies.

00:36:44.500 It'll just be a total sham field.

00:36:46.280 And then they do full-time politics.

00:36:47.620 That's what Russell Rickford does.

00:36:48.960 The guy at Cornell who was saying, you know, I was so excited when I saw, you know, a tingle

00:36:53.120 went down my leg.

00:36:53.980 Like, when I saw the scalped babies, like, that guy just has a joke job.

00:36:58.180 So, get rid of his joke job.

00:36:59.900 So, shouldn't...

00:37:00.520 But that does happen with free speech, though.

00:37:02.580 Like, with that, that's with, like, the professor watch list.

00:37:06.320 Like, you can expose that.

00:37:07.740 And, I mean, here's the...

00:37:09.040 To Strongman Blake's argument, then I'm going to play devil's advocate and throw it to Jack.

00:37:12.140 Look, I could see Governor Gavin Newsom signing an order saying Turning Point USA is a terror

00:37:18.100 organization and is not allowed on university campuses in California.

00:37:22.800 That is a...

00:37:23.560 Right, Tyler?

00:37:24.100 I mean, I could see it.

00:37:24.980 Great.

00:37:25.220 That would help more people, conservatives, leave California and go to states that we need

00:37:29.280 to win.

00:37:29.560 But you understand the point.

00:37:30.560 It's that we have a great California network.

00:37:32.460 Some of our best students are California, right?

00:37:34.100 Yeah.

00:37:34.360 Same in New York.

00:37:35.480 So, but Jack.

00:37:36.680 Jack, you're the, you know, terrorist Bengali.

00:37:39.160 You understand this stuff.

00:37:39.940 So, the, is, forget your opinions of Ron DeSantis.

00:37:45.180 Put that aside, okay?

00:37:46.140 Let's just say Governor A, you know, does this, okay?

00:37:49.980 Is Ron, is this the right move to say that Students for Justice of Palestine should not

00:37:54.880 be allowed on campus?

00:37:55.620 And then talk further, Jack.

00:37:57.040 Are you in favor of creating a blacklist for these 31 student organizers at Harvard that

00:38:03.120 came out in support of the Hamas attack?

00:38:05.720 Well, see, and I will actually kind of respond to, I'll just say what I said.

00:38:09.940 To the DeSantis administration on Twitter when they did this.

00:38:13.640 I said, okay, that's fine.

00:38:14.880 But are you going to include all of the Black Lives Matter chapters that are now coming out

00:38:20.300 and praising Hamas?

00:38:22.280 Will you include all Black Lives Matter chapters that exist anywhere in the state of Florida

00:38:26.580 that are associated with any university that falls under public funding, right?

00:38:30.340 So, again, Charlie, the issue that I have here is that there's these half measures that sort

00:38:35.920 of go in a little bit, but don't go all the way.

00:38:38.660 So, they're not actually taking the full, like, if we're going to start banning leftists

00:38:43.140 and banning leftist organizations, let's go all the way.

00:38:45.700 Let's actually go all the way and do it for real.

00:38:47.920 When it comes to the doxing truck and the blacklisting, I saw the latest headline on the

00:38:53.880 docking truck.

00:38:54.580 You guys know about the docking truck, right?

00:38:55.980 Do I have to explain that?

00:38:56.800 Well, we've talked about that.

00:38:59.320 Build it out for our audience.

00:39:00.560 Yeah.

00:39:00.780 So, the doxing truck, just in a quick, you know, TLDR, is this is the truck that is playing

00:39:07.140 all the names and faces on a digital screen, basically a digital billboard on the side

00:39:11.900 of a panel truck that's driving all the way around, basically, the Harvard campus and off

00:39:17.900 campus with the names of every single student that's signed onto this anti-Israel document,

00:39:24.960 Carter, or whatever you want to call it.

00:39:26.780 And now it's gotten to the point where every day the truck is parking in front of one of

00:39:32.180 the people's houses and actually broadcasting their name and face for everyone right in front

00:39:39.420 of their house.

00:39:40.140 And I say, God bless them.

00:39:42.120 Face, face, face.

00:39:44.140 Continue this.

00:39:45.020 Make sure not just the students, but go after the teachers as well.

00:39:48.800 Anyone who went on with this, make sure that you put it out there and you put it everywhere

00:39:53.020 for all to see.

00:39:54.700 Because remember, guys, it's not it's not about canceling.

00:39:58.840 It's about accountability.

00:40:00.760 It's not about censorship.

00:40:02.720 It's about justice.

00:40:04.300 It's not about hate.

00:40:06.320 It's about the arc of morality and the moral justice of the universe.

00:40:10.760 Look, until we start embracing these tactics, the left is just going to continue to use them

00:40:15.520 against us, to use them against our families, to use them against our friends.

00:40:20.180 Anytime you make one wrong move, and I'm sorry, but the conservative response to just throw

00:40:26.600 your hands up and say, no, no, that's not fair.

00:40:29.200 It's not going to work and it's never going to work.

00:40:31.960 You have to fight fire with fire at some point.

00:40:34.740 And I say, I love the docking truck.

00:40:36.660 I wish I knew how to donate to it.

00:40:39.160 So, I mean, I think that some American Jews are embracing that, right?

00:40:42.740 I think that there is such a fresh memory to the horrors of the Holocaust that a lot of

00:40:49.080 American Jews are like, you know what?

00:40:50.100 We have political power.

00:40:51.440 We kind of control a lot of these universities, institutions, at least through boards and

00:40:55.940 donor connections.

00:40:57.420 It's time for them to feel the pain.

00:40:58.820 Do you agree with that, Blake?

00:40:59.700 I mean, you have come out against the blacklisting.

00:41:02.860 I can't remember.

00:41:03.740 I mean, I'm certainly sympathetic to blacklisting these specific people because they're really

00:41:09.500 awful.

00:41:09.900 And it's been delicious to see some of them on Twitter.

00:41:12.660 And we can just drag out their comments in 2017 where they're just, you know, where

00:41:17.380 they're just praising every single cancellation ever.

00:41:19.700 And they're now, whoa, oh no, I just got in trouble because I said that Hamas scalping

00:41:25.500 a baby was good.

00:41:27.740 I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.

00:41:30.340 I do.

00:41:31.760 I mean, I'll be honest.

00:41:32.860 I thought, I think a lot of us did like when America was a country where you could say

00:41:37.380 things and not have horrible stuff happen to you.

00:41:40.040 And if cancellation, if reciprocal cancellation takes us towards a reality where we don't need

00:41:45.120 to cancel everyone, you know, over every opinion they have, I would consider that, you

00:41:49.980 know, an unfortunate but necessary step.

00:41:51.740 But I don't like the idea that we just end up in this ideological terror zone where everyone

00:41:56.600 is going around pulverizing everyone to smithereens because of opinions they had in college.

00:42:01.620 So just to be very clear before the Anti-Defamation League tries to murder me in my sleep,

00:42:05.320 what I was saying is that they'll probably try to murder you while you're awake.

00:42:08.160 Yeah, whatever.

00:42:08.480 So Jews have given billions of dollars to institutions and they're using what leverage

00:42:12.600 they have to try and stop Jew hatred on these campuses.

00:42:16.840 Jack, your thoughts?

00:42:18.220 You say here in the chat, we've always had cancel culture.

00:42:21.040 You disagree with Blake.

00:42:21.960 Jack, explain.

00:42:23.420 Well, I mean, you can talk about supporting freedom of speech and you can talk about supporting

00:42:29.720 the idea of freedom from the, I guess, law enforcement repercussions of speech in the country.

00:42:35.980 But I do think that we've always generally had cancel culture in what we would call the

00:42:41.720 popular culture or the popular mainstream society, for lack of a better term, because

00:42:48.500 it's just been that in the past it was basically pro-civilizational forces, pro-civilizational

00:42:56.560 individuals who held the rungs of power, the reins of power, and now it is anti-civilizational

00:43:02.460 forces that hold on to the reins of power.

00:43:04.500 So, for example, people speaking out against Christ, people, you know, John Lennon's famous

00:43:09.260 comments about, you know, about Jesus being bigger than Jesus, et cetera, that led to a

00:43:15.540 lot of cancellation.

00:43:17.180 Now, it didn't lead to legal repercussions or anything like that.

00:43:21.280 But I do think that moral cancellation has been part of not just America, but Western

00:43:27.000 culture for a long time.

00:43:28.600 Blake, your response?

00:43:29.820 Well, it's always around.

00:43:31.380 It waxes and wanes.

00:43:33.080 And I think over time it's waned a lot.

00:43:36.200 I think the stuff you would get canceled for believing 300 years ago was a wider range and

00:43:41.800 what you would call cancellation could be a lot more severe.

00:43:44.260 You could be executed for it.

00:43:46.320 You have surges of this and then you have periods where it backs off.

00:43:49.940 Most of us were young people in the 90s, early 2000s.

00:43:55.120 It was not that bad then.

00:43:56.520 It was kind of uncool to care too much about politics.

00:43:59.320 The idea of relentlessly digging into someone's past to find some random statement they made

00:44:06.160 and then, oh, you don't get to host the Oscars anymore or appear in a movie or you're going

00:44:09.760 to get fired from your job.

00:44:11.220 The idea that you would have the New York Times or some magazine do a profile on a person

00:44:16.820 who's otherwise a totally normal individual who's not famous just to get them fired,

00:44:21.420 which that was what peak cancel culture was, was Gawker would go and they would just say,

00:44:25.820 here's all these kids who said the N-word on Twitter.

00:44:27.740 And we just contacted all of their colleges that admitted them.

00:44:30.120 And we got these people's admissions rescinded.

00:44:32.540 None of these people are celebrities.

00:44:33.740 None of them are actors.

00:44:34.560 None of them are influencers.

00:44:35.520 None of them are anything.

00:44:36.580 We just wanted to go mess them up.

00:44:38.140 And we've seen that happen to people and we're kind of having it happen with this.

00:44:43.440 And do I think what they said was really ugly?

00:44:45.840 And in this case, maybe it's merited because they're super unhinged and it's probably at

00:44:50.760 least a little problematic if you're going to go work with a bunch of Jewish people in

00:44:54.380 New York and you're on the record saying that every Jew should drink blood and their kids

00:44:58.800 can be decapitated because they're settler colonists.

00:45:01.440 It's understandable that this is an extreme case, but I don't, I don't like the concession

00:45:06.960 or the attitude that's just, well, you know, we're just in a war of one side against the

00:45:11.520 other and you should just do whatever you want to the other side.

00:45:14.740 But given that we are in the war, Blake, don't you want to win?

00:45:16.920 I do want to win.

00:45:17.980 So then, I mean, we have to kind of check our, I mean, I kind of agree with the, the high

00:45:23.100 mindedness that you're pursuing, but we are kind of in this nasty trench knife fight,

00:45:27.960 aren't we?

00:45:28.380 For sure.

00:45:28.720 For sure.

00:45:29.220 I wish there was tactics.

00:45:30.480 I think there are tactics we can do that we choose not to use for some reason.

00:45:34.980 And one of those things is just, okay, if you don't like what these colleges do or they

00:45:38.420 have wacky professors, nuke that department.

00:45:41.040 Like before we decide cancel culture is great, why don't we go to the Arizona legislature and

00:45:45.100 say, why does any publicly funded university in the state of Arizona have an X studies

00:45:49.300 department?

00:45:49.880 It's gone.

00:45:50.480 All the professors fired.

00:45:51.960 None of them are allowed to work for any of our institutions again.

00:45:54.420 That's not cancel culture.

00:45:55.520 That's don't literally give money to people who hate you.

00:45:58.280 I mean, of course, you know, I agree with that.

00:46:01.040 I think what we're at, Tyler, you want to jump in here is that there's this kind of, we have

00:46:05.380 nothing but bad options.

00:46:06.360 We just need to pick kind of the best.

00:46:07.700 I don't think any of us delight in quote unquote canceling somebody.

00:46:11.060 At the same time, I mean, Blake, these people, you know, they're horrific.

00:46:14.300 They want, they want us dead.

00:46:15.540 They want us, they want to exert pain on us, right?

00:46:18.020 They want us to suffer.

00:46:19.100 They're wretched individuals.

00:46:20.300 Yes, they are.

00:46:20.920 They're wretched.

00:46:21.920 And I don't lose sleep over making the people that have made a profession of delighting in

00:46:27.780 our suffering all of a sudden have to fear that they might lose their job because they

00:46:33.240 said something legitimately reprehensible.

00:46:36.320 Not like a joke.

00:46:37.220 And the best argument I think is if this is what, you know, sort of mutual escalation can

00:46:41.720 bring us to a sort of a peace deal that I would appreciate.

00:46:45.140 There's no guarantee of that.

00:46:46.060 It might not.

00:46:46.820 It might not.

00:46:47.540 It might be, it might be a 200 year civil war.

00:46:49.720 You are correct.

00:46:50.400 It is good for Turnabout to come to, to quote Dante's divine comedy.

00:46:54.480 You thirsted for blood.

00:46:56.360 Now drink your fill.

00:46:58.280 And that's where we are.

00:46:59.860 And so, again, I don't love it.

00:47:02.320 At the same time, we're left with really, we, okay.

00:47:05.440 So the really is really, I hate to be binary, but right, Tyler, there's two options.

00:47:08.080 We do nothing and write op-eds and say, it's wrong to cancel people while they're literally

00:47:13.560 transiting our kids and firing us from every major power center and debanking us.

00:47:17.680 Debanking you.

00:47:18.300 Right.

00:47:18.520 Literally debanking us.

00:47:19.620 Or we say, man, war sucks.

00:47:22.680 Time to win.

00:47:23.840 Tyler, your thoughts.

00:47:24.900 Yeah.

00:47:25.140 I mean, the way that I look at it is really simple.

00:47:27.640 It's like, it's like schoolyard stuff, right?

00:47:31.780 Which is like the only way that you get a bully to stop is if you like stand up to the

00:47:35.780 bully and the bully is scared.

00:47:37.880 You could say this about.

00:47:39.300 Well, and yeah, but I mean, I'll just give you my small, I mean, I don't have all the

00:47:44.480 experience in the world, but having like being super involved, like party politics and how

00:47:48.200 nasty, because I mean, I went toe to toe with John McCain and his people.

00:47:51.920 You also have a fun banking story.

00:47:53.500 And yeah.

00:47:53.860 And a lot.

00:47:54.900 I mean, I've, I've gone through these things.

00:47:56.780 The only thing that I've ever seen ever to work is for those people to know that you,

00:48:02.380 number one, are unaffected by what they're doing to you.

00:48:06.440 Number one and number two, that's, that's most important because Charlie remembers.

00:48:11.560 I had many phone calls with him.

00:48:13.060 I tried to lift you up.

00:48:14.480 Nine years ago.

00:48:14.920 I was like, I was like, I'm just going to, I don't need to do this.

00:48:17.740 I don't need this in my life.

00:48:18.780 And he's like, no, no, no, you do like stay in the fight.

00:48:22.000 It's going to be fine.

00:48:22.440 Like nobody's, it's not going to matter.

00:48:24.060 And he was right.

00:48:24.960 But the second then is to go back at them and be like, Hey, you know what?

00:48:27.920 Just FYI, you know, I have legitimate, you know, muscle flex here on you.

00:48:34.840 That's political power.

00:48:35.900 That's knowledge.

00:48:37.100 That's knowing what's going on.

00:48:38.440 And when you do that, they get a little bit scared and they go, okay, I'm going to leave

00:48:42.300 that person alone.

00:48:43.080 And they go figure out something else for a little bit.

00:48:45.920 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 And if you don't do that, and that's like point, we just had something recently with

00:48:49.080 that.

00:48:49.360 Yeah.

00:48:49.640 There, there, there's, there's another element to this, which is that you must not allow

00:48:53.220 them to tell you who to cancel.

00:48:54.720 It's very, very important.

00:48:55.780 Right now, if someone has really done something that you feel reprehensible or that you feel

00:49:00.500 violates your values, or they were deceitful or they betrayed you a hundred percent.

00:49:05.120 Right.

00:49:05.480 But you do not have them set the standard for what you do.

00:49:09.640 Right.

00:49:10.320 That's a very important thing.

00:49:11.620 And I don't think our target has to be to cancel them.

00:49:13.960 It has to be to expose truth, which is, that's the Achilles.

00:49:17.760 I think, I think cancel culture is an element of, uh, Alinsky tactics.

00:49:22.740 I think for us, it's like, Hey, just what's more powerful and what's more righteous is

00:49:28.800 to be like, Hey, I'm just going to expose you.

00:49:31.100 I'm going to tell everybody exactly what you're doing.

00:49:33.260 They hate exposure and they hate the truth.

00:49:35.120 And that, that's the best yield for everyone because more people become educated, more

00:49:39.520 people know to defend themselves.

00:49:40.880 This is like the, the Trump model, right?

00:49:42.720 Which everybody you're up against all the Alinsky model.

00:49:45.320 And Trump is like, I'm just going to tell everyone the truth and more people are going

00:49:48.700 to listen.

00:49:49.180 And he won an election.

00:49:51.520 Jack, your contribution here.

00:49:53.900 Well, I just want to say, we've, we've got some, got some really great comments coming

00:49:57.060 in and, um, you guys mind if I have real quick, just read a few, you know, show them

00:50:01.220 out there.

00:50:02.520 Um, someone's here say, so, uh, DJ Mack, uh, right.

00:50:08.000 Kirk show the rule book.

00:50:09.220 The left goes by, they make up the rules as they go along.

00:50:11.800 Um, Alonzo Mosk, we said that one, uh, Alonzo Mosk had the one, never interrupt your opponent

00:50:17.180 when they're making a mistake.

00:50:18.720 Franklin seven, seven, nine anti-whites get fired, deported and sent to prison.

00:50:22.740 Well, how can we send them to prison after we deport them?

00:50:24.740 But we'll, you know, we'll figure it out.

00:50:26.140 Um, uh, the real, the real W.O., the golden rule.

00:50:29.440 Don't give money to people who hate you.

00:50:31.360 Troll shooter one, no open check.

00:50:32.820 How many different ways you can say it?

00:50:36.480 Uh, where?

00:50:37.520 Okay.

00:50:37.740 We just pulled it up.

00:50:38.720 Um, D 59 or kick the bullet.

00:50:41.800 Bullies, A-Z-Z.

00:50:43.340 That's why we are in the shape we're in because the good people stood down.

00:50:47.400 Man K, always beware the left schools.

00:50:49.900 Always beware using the left schools against them.

00:50:52.260 Unlike us, they also have a political power structure above to follow through on their

00:50:56.780 cultural warfare.

00:50:58.120 Um, I'm just going to say something because I don't know that we've mentioned it yet on

00:51:00.800 the show tonight.

00:51:01.420 It bears repeating.

00:51:02.920 Owen Schroyer is behind bars, right?

00:51:05.780 That's what's going on currently in the United States.

00:51:08.600 He's in solitary confinement.

00:51:09.900 In solitary confinement.

00:51:11.680 He will be there all weekend because he's unvaccinated.

00:51:14.440 We're told, and this is COVID protocol in Louisiana, the same state that our new speaker

00:51:18.920 hails from.

00:51:20.360 Owen Schroyer, guy who does a talk show for a living.

00:51:23.520 A guy who said, I don't even know if you can say said the words, but that the numbers

00:51:27.560 1776, outside the Capitol, outside, not inside, outside the Capitol on January 6th, someone

00:51:35.060 who, uh, he disrupted a congressional hearing by standing up and, and heckling at one point

00:51:42.480 prior to then.

00:51:43.620 Again, all completely covered under the first amendment activities.

00:51:47.300 He is currently behind bars in a federal corrections institution in Louisiana, the federal government

00:51:56.820 in solitary confinement.

00:51:58.080 So it, I'll say to the guys who were saying like, oh, never use the left schools, et cetera,

00:52:02.760 et cetera.

00:52:04.420 Guys understand the situation that we're in right now.

00:52:06.960 Uh, the leader of the Republican party and number one opposition candidate has been arrested

00:52:12.800 four times and faces 91 different charges in various jurisdictions around the country

00:52:18.140 faces actual jail time.

00:52:20.240 You understand that they want to, there's, there's also a guy saying that this judge saying

00:52:23.720 that I'll throw this guy, Trump, this president, your opposition leader behind bars.

00:52:28.260 If he talks too much publicly about the process that's going on, uh, Charlie, are there, have

00:52:34.800 there ever been any books that were written about this where they described the process

00:52:38.760 being the punishment itself?

00:52:40.220 I can't think of any.

00:52:41.340 Can you say that again?

00:52:44.200 Oh, that talk about the, the political trials actually being the point, not so much the actual

00:52:50.100 darkness, the actual punishment, darkness at noon, that's darkness at noon with Mr.

00:52:54.140 Rubischoff by Arthur Kessler, one of the least appropriate books of the 20th century.

00:52:59.060 We wouldn't be having these conversations were we not in the situation that we're currently

00:53:03.960 in.

00:53:04.440 So please don't, you know, understand the world that we're in right now.

00:53:08.560 Don't take things out of context.

00:53:10.160 This is not a vacuum.

00:53:11.080 There are actual people who are friends of ours, friends of everybody on this show that

00:53:15.980 have been put behind, that are behind bars right now named Owen Schroyer for their speech,

00:53:21.540 for their opinions.

00:53:23.060 And so everyone needs to understand this.

00:53:25.000 Everyone needs to understand this.

00:53:26.500 All right.

00:53:26.700 Well, speaking of cancel culture, uh, big news this week, Dana White came on the program on

00:53:31.500 the Charlie Kirk show and we talked about Bud Light UFC and a surprise announcement of

00:53:36.500 the UFC partnering with Bud Light.

00:53:39.320 Let's go to cut one 26.

00:53:41.400 I want to be with people that I'm aligned with.

00:53:43.720 It's not about money anymore for me.

00:53:45.700 It's, it's about being, uh, with like-minded people and everybody that comes into the UFC

00:53:53.640 knows what this business is about.

00:53:57.300 It's, and what I'm about and what I stand for.

00:54:00.180 This decision to go with Bud Light was based on anything but money.

00:54:07.480 Okay.

00:54:08.040 And so Bud Light and UFC are doing a joint partnership and a branding deal.

00:54:12.640 Dana White came on for a full conversation on our podcast and, you know, I really like

00:54:17.060 Dana.

00:54:17.340 I've gotten to know him.

00:54:18.300 He's an entrepreneur, patriot, and he's also had the president's back 100%.

00:54:23.240 But let's ask this question.

00:54:26.280 Is there an opportunity ever, Jack, let's start with you, where we want to say, hey, you know,

00:54:32.080 Bud Light screwed up with the Dylan Mulvaney thing.

00:54:34.640 They're a massive company.

00:54:35.680 Do we want them to just say, only sponsor left-wing stuff.

00:54:39.140 We never want it.

00:54:40.140 Or is there an argument to be made to say, if they start to invest in organizations, sport

00:54:46.100 leagues, and things that are more center-right, like UFC, that is movement in the right direction

00:54:49.860 and them admitting their mistake, aka message received.

00:54:53.340 Jack, how should we think about this?

00:54:55.700 Well, Charlie, I, I've been to, I've been to UFC fights.

00:54:59.080 Um, we were at that, we're actually at that fight in, in Vegas, um, where McGregor broke

00:55:04.240 his, broke his ankle, and like, what round, was that round three?

00:55:08.100 You know, we were there, the one where Trump came in and had the huge pop.

00:55:11.460 Mel Gibson was sitting, like, a couple of rows in front of us.

00:55:13.800 It was awesome.

00:55:14.560 Anything where Braveheart was in.

00:55:16.260 Was it interesting?

00:55:17.180 It was round one.

00:55:17.580 I didn't think it was round one.

00:55:18.340 Was it round one?

00:55:18.920 Was it actually?

00:55:19.380 It may have been that early that I think about it.

00:55:20.660 Um, it was huge.

00:55:21.860 The one where Trump walked in or Rich Chanting USA.

00:55:24.160 Um, but, so, so I'll tell you, that was a huge, that was a huge crowd.

00:55:28.620 But, Charlie, it's, to your point, even though the organization, UFC, is more, is more center-right,

00:55:34.120 I think people need to understand that there's, there's, in, in their organization, in that

00:55:38.220 audience, if you look at, uh, these sporting events like, like the WWE, like UFC, um, there

00:55:44.160 are members of the audience, by the way, there that are gay, um, that are LGBT.

00:55:50.700 And so, you know, I think this is clearly a percentage that they're working into it.

00:55:55.880 But at the same time, obviously, UFC and Bud Blight seem to be moving far away from that

00:56:01.840 at the same time.

00:56:03.100 So, it's sort of like, we did it, we bounced off.

00:56:05.780 And, and I'll be fair about this.

00:56:07.120 And I, I was fair about this when it came up at the time with, even with the, the, the

00:56:10.820 trans, whatever thing that was done, it, it wasn't like they did some kind of, and

00:56:15.440 people will be like, oh, post was being a cuck.

00:56:16.980 No, no, no.

00:56:17.460 It's just facts, right?

00:56:18.300 It's just facts.

00:56:19.000 It wasn't like they did an ad campaign.

00:56:20.740 It was like one beer cozy.

00:56:22.680 It was literally one beer cozy.

00:56:24.580 So, to your point, you know, am I going to take money for them?

00:56:27.700 No, I don't drink.

00:56:28.900 I don't do that.

00:56:29.960 Yeah, I'm in a perpetual boycott.

00:56:31.960 You know, say again?

00:56:33.480 I'm, I'm constantly boycotting.

00:56:36.080 Boycotting what?

00:56:37.340 It's a joke, Jack.

00:56:38.260 We don't drink.

00:56:39.000 So, we're constantly boycotting.

00:56:40.920 I'm sorry.

00:56:41.220 No, no.

00:56:41.540 Some of us have comedic timing and, and, um.

00:56:43.440 No, no, no.

00:56:43.840 I'm saying that you and I are in constant boycotting.

00:56:45.760 You'll work on it, Charlie.

00:56:46.640 You'll get there.

00:56:47.280 Watch a little more Seinfeld.

00:56:48.500 Um, and then, um, and then one day, one day.

00:56:51.540 And then, um, basically, basically, I think, I think you're right.

00:56:55.280 I think it's a carrot and stick approach.

00:56:56.580 I think we need to have a carrot and stick approach with these large organizations.

00:56:59.640 We really do.

00:57:00.480 Yeah.

00:57:00.760 So, so Blake, where do you fall on this?

00:57:03.260 So, first of all, someone called me Bud Light Blake in the comments.

00:57:06.280 And I don't think I've ever drank a Bud Light in my entire life.

00:57:08.800 And I, that even means more coming from me, because I do drink sometimes, but not that.

00:57:13.220 You heathen.

00:57:14.820 You know, if it was good enough for Christ, it was good enough for me, I suppose.

00:57:18.400 He was Lord of all.

00:57:20.120 Yes.

00:57:20.520 He gets privileges we don't get.

00:57:21.780 And he was fully God and fully man, and sometimes he drank wine for dinner, so.

00:57:26.540 But anyway.

00:57:27.000 When you raise someone from the dead, you can have Merlot.

00:57:29.920 I mean, have you seen what alcohol can do to people?

00:57:32.640 That's all I'm saying.

00:57:33.720 Anyway.

00:57:34.000 So, with the Bud Light thing, I worry that the biggest asset of Bud Light is we might be getting too much into the specifics of, oh, have they redeemed themselves and so on.

00:57:46.160 And we've gotten very excited, because this is kind of the first big conservative boycott in recent history.

00:57:52.400 On mass scale.

00:57:53.180 To be big, to really stick, for them to try to fix it, for it to fail.

00:57:58.180 And I think some people were inclined to just think, oh, the right got better at doing boycotts and we can do this again.

00:58:04.500 I don't know if that's entirely the case.

00:58:06.000 I think Bud Light was perfectly situated to be a strong boycott.

00:58:09.420 It's a thing that's sold everywhere.

00:58:12.500 It's really easy to pick an alternative, because there's a million different brands of beer.

00:58:18.700 You don't really need it.

00:58:20.240 It's something you consume socially and publicly, so it's really easy to enforce, because you go to a party and someone's like, you're drinking the gay beer.

00:58:28.620 That's become a thing, right?

00:58:29.880 It's a real thing.

00:58:30.580 That's a big factor behind why the boycott continues.

00:58:33.820 No one wants to be the guy who goes and buys it at a thing.

00:58:36.040 And so the point is, this was a successful boycott for specific reasons, and I'm worried that if it, basically, if it goes away, we're not going to be able to easily replicate it.

00:58:46.820 And it might be that the best way you get value out of the Bud Light boycott in terms of having companies not want to be woke, not wanting to do things that could damage them is, you turn them into an example.

00:58:56.300 And you make Bud Light a smoldering crater, where it's just, everyone will think, everyone will go to business school, and they'll get these case studies that say,

00:59:05.140 Bud Light did this thing, they made Middle America angry, and they took a billion-dollar brand, and it was wiped off the face of the planet.

00:59:13.140 Do you think that message has already been received?

00:59:15.920 It's strong, but I think it could always be stronger, and I'm not going to fault UFC here.

00:59:21.120 UFC's got to make money, and it's a lot of money.

00:59:23.340 And so I think maybe the ideal would be UFC made this deal, they get their money, and then it doesn't work, and people still just don't buy Bud Light anyway, because it's still a beer they don't like.

00:59:33.300 That might be the ideal outcome from this.

00:59:35.860 Is it just to follow up on our last topic, though?

00:59:38.760 You know, isn't that an example of cancel culture having positive effects?

00:59:43.560 Well, I don't want to equate cancel culture on a product that you choose to buy for any number of reasons, especially with beer, where it's all weighted with aesthetic and ideological.

00:59:55.720 It's commoditized.

00:59:56.680 It's true.

00:59:56.980 Boycott is not canceling.

00:59:58.240 And yet people, it's not.

00:59:59.860 It's not the same thing.

01:00:01.040 And it's not, you know, it's the difference between commercial ramifications for a large conglomerate and the individual ramifications for one person's life.

01:00:10.320 And especially one person's life in something that's often unrelated to their ability to work in any other field, whereas this is, you know, what Bud Light chose to do as a beer to market itself.

01:00:22.200 It's just, it is not, I think it abuses the term cancel culture to say that people deciding they don't want to drink Bud Light because it's the gay beer now is cancel culture.

01:00:32.540 It's a much more traditional alienation of your customer base.

01:00:35.520 Let me ask a question just more broadly, okay?

01:00:37.620 Okay, so Tyler or Jack, let's just take Bud Light out of this.

01:00:41.840 We need some rules, I think, right?

01:00:43.940 We need some rules of, do we ever allow a company to redeem themselves to come back into the movement if they want to spend money on the right stuff?

01:00:53.920 Or no, do we say, absolutely not, we're not going to let that?

01:00:57.480 Because I think there is a big difference here, okay?

01:00:59.980 Bud Light, you know, did the can, whatever.

01:01:04.580 Their response was poor, let's be honest, right?

01:01:07.140 It was like they thought they could get away with it.

01:01:08.820 They thought the news cycle would pass.

01:01:10.180 That is different than North Face or whatever, Patagonia, literally just running like gay ads and like owning it and doubling and tripling down, right?

01:01:20.820 So, but I'm just wondering, what should the criteria Tyler be?

01:01:23.680 Do we just say, you know what?

01:01:24.380 No, we're not going to do it.

01:01:26.200 You're not allowed back into the club.

01:01:28.760 But honestly, it's a question we have to have because what I think conservative America is grappling with, both in the speakers race here is like, wait, what do we do with this power that we know?

01:01:38.660 Because we have a lot of it.

01:01:39.840 More than I think we ever realized.

01:01:41.380 I think that people look at this, I think it's like a social thing.

01:01:46.020 I think it's not dissimilar from like what Ron DeSantis is going through right now and also women who change their hair color drastically and then change it back almost immediately afterwards because this happens a lot.

01:01:57.840 Also like Ron DeSantis.

01:01:58.560 Also like Ron DeSantis is that I think what happens, it's more like watching a train, you know, collision or like a train derailment or like you can't take your eyes off it, like a bad accident.

01:02:12.540 And people are going to be intrigued and watching like what they do with UFC.

01:02:16.340 But it's like if it doesn't come off organic and natural and like sane, then it's not going to do anything for them.

01:02:24.200 And people are actually going to be more disgusted by it in the same way as like if like somebody goes crazy and they color their hair, they're like a blonde person.

01:02:32.420 They color their hair, you know, dark.

01:02:34.180 And then all of a sudden they, I know this is a very specific like example of analogy.

01:02:39.000 Speaking from any, have you had recent trauma with this?

01:02:41.300 They try to bleach their hair back and then all their hair falls out and everyone's just like watching the whole time.

01:02:45.260 Like what is that person going through?

01:02:48.060 I'm not going to say gender, but like what is that person going through?

01:02:50.780 You know, and like it's the same thing with like this and like with Ron DeSantis is like or political candidates in general, like you'll see them like go all in and then they try to like make up for it.

01:02:59.340 And then by that point, people are just watching and then they're like, this is so not organic or natural.

01:03:04.600 I'm watching and I'm intrigued because it's a freak show, but like I'm not going to actually subscribe to that.

01:03:10.060 And I think that's what's going to happen with this.

01:03:11.320 It's a momentum based equation.

01:03:12.820 I think Bud Light was so big, it was almost unkillable until they screwed it up so bad.

01:03:17.880 And now it's almost impossible to undo.

01:03:19.800 I think if it was a small brand, if it was a smaller brand, people would be more willing to forgive it because it might be one guy who runs everything.

01:03:27.140 He writes a letter.

01:03:28.380 People identify with that a little bit more and you turn it around.

01:03:32.820 But Bud Light is obviously a giant corporate thing.

01:03:35.620 But let's be honest, UFC is a right wing thing.

01:03:38.180 It is.

01:03:38.680 It is for sure.

01:03:39.420 Right.

01:03:39.640 I mean, it's a right wing thing.

01:03:41.460 You not agree, Tyler?

01:03:42.240 No, I agree with you.

01:03:43.060 I just don't think it has anything to do with UFC.

01:03:45.200 I don't think, I think it's more like UFC is just like.

01:03:47.720 It has eyeballs.

01:03:48.240 Yeah, they're just, they'll take anybody's money.

01:03:52.340 Okay.

01:03:53.040 For the most part.

01:03:53.560 I don't think this impacts UFC at all.

01:03:55.760 What I'm saying though is that some companies wouldn't partner with UFC.

01:03:59.780 Some companies wouldn't partner.

01:04:01.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:01.620 Obviously, Bud Light's trying to like fake it.

01:04:04.700 I don't know that UFC is not right wing on par with, I don't know, maybe a gun manufacturer or something.

01:04:10.660 It's pretty close.

01:04:11.260 Well, look, I mean, here, they have Trump come, you know, Rogan, all that stuff.

01:04:16.000 It's also ridiculously bloody and all that stuff.

01:04:18.000 But, I mean, Dana is super outspokenly Trump, MAGA, conservative, you know, defied the COVID stuff, you know, anti-cancel culture, all that.

01:04:27.560 Jack, do you see what I'm getting at here?

01:04:28.680 Which is, again, I'm not even sure I know the answer, but, you know, Anheuser-Busch is a blue chip company.

01:04:35.920 I don't like the argument.

01:04:36.840 People say, oh, it's an old American company.

01:04:38.300 Like, okay, that's.

01:04:38.980 They're owned by a Belgian.

01:04:39.840 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:40.920 That, exactly.

01:04:41.540 Okay.

01:04:41.680 But the argument that I say, okay, I think that we as conservatives need to reassess what do we do with power, corporate power, government power, right?

01:04:51.620 What do we do with power?

01:04:52.340 We don't know, actually.

01:04:53.240 That's why we're debating it all hour.

01:04:54.760 Do we cancel people?

01:04:56.020 Do we blacklist them?

01:04:57.500 Do we kick, you know, SJP off campus?

01:05:00.980 We don't know.

01:05:01.860 So I'm guessing, like, from this, what do we do?

01:05:04.140 Because in some ways, Anheuser-Busch is acknowledging that they are controlled by the American right.

01:05:11.680 Well, Charlie, what we need to do is we have to remember a couple of things.

01:05:16.560 You know, I'm not going to do the whole, like, first principles spiel, but, right, we are the side that loves innovation.

01:05:22.440 We are the side that loves freedom.

01:05:23.860 We are the side that loves actual creation and entrepreneurship, right?

01:05:28.620 We do actually support those things on this side, right?

01:05:31.640 I know that we have a lot of other fights that we have to do on a regular basis, but those are the things that we support.

01:05:36.120 And so we want to set up a system whereby in those, I say, the ability to achieve greatness is protected.

01:05:46.560 And so that means boundaries, okay?

01:05:47.900 That means setting boundaries on our country.

01:05:50.680 That means setting boundaries on our military, on every institution that we can possibly get in control of.

01:05:56.720 And because these same institutions, whether it be a company like Bud, whether it be a place like the military, we were talking about the universities in the last segment, have been taken over by these radicals who hate excellence, who hate greatness, who don't want achievement.

01:06:13.820 They want to force their radical programs on everybody else.

01:06:17.960 Our goal should be, number one, destroying those programs, but number two, making sure that when someone does return to the normal parameters that have been set up, and by the way, the same parameters that have given this country so much wealth and power and status and greatness over the years, then they should be supported.

01:06:40.800 So once you get back on track, we're good, okay?

01:06:43.560 That's what we want.

01:06:44.680 We want to shut down that kind of stuff.

01:06:46.680 Like, for example, I would love if NASA went back to the space shuttle program and putting men on the moon and putting people in space and having, remember the right stuff and the best man for the job?

01:06:58.360 No, I'm sorry, hidden figures, right?

01:07:00.800 It's not the hidden figures.

01:07:02.960 It's Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong.

01:07:06.840 Those are the ones who matter the most.

01:07:08.980 You know why?

01:07:09.560 Because they're the ones who did it with less technology than you would find in, like, a TI-83 calculator in your pocket when they went to the moon.

01:07:18.720 That's the pinnacle of American greatness is the moon landing.

01:07:21.780 That's the country that we need to be again.

01:07:23.580 And whatever institution gets us there should be the ones that we support.

01:07:30.080 Blake.

01:07:30.440 I'm distracted.

01:07:32.600 We have a guy in chat who's, like, who's trolling me nonstop.

01:07:35.620 So he's calling me Bud Light Blake.

01:07:37.980 I'm going to have to get...

01:07:38.460 It's actually me on my alt.

01:07:40.840 Oh, man.

01:07:42.520 This is a betrayal.

01:07:43.580 This might be the worst betrayal to ever happen to anyone in human history.

01:07:49.340 Worst anime betrayals.

01:07:50.580 Worst anime betrayal.

01:07:51.600 This is worse than Judas.

01:07:54.180 Do we want to get to the deep web reveal?

01:07:56.860 Ooh, do we have the stuff ready for the deep web reveal?

01:07:58.720 I think we do.

01:07:59.740 Wait, I don't have it set up.

01:08:00.820 Wait, go ahead.

01:08:01.760 I'll get it.

01:08:02.640 I'm going to get it.

01:08:03.400 I'm going to get it.

01:08:04.000 So the deep web reveal for this week is very relevant because we just did bring up the worst betrayals of all time.

01:08:09.600 And so there's a lot of translations of the Bible out there.

01:08:12.800 It used to be you were limited to what you could maybe find at your Christian bookstore or your church.

01:08:15.880 I thought this was a troll when you went through that.

01:08:17.880 But now we have the Internet, and the Bible is a public domain book.

01:08:20.560 So basically every translation of it is out there.

01:08:23.180 Christians like to spread the good news.

01:08:24.760 We like to spread the good news everywhere.

01:08:26.400 We've translated the Bible into Japanese.

01:08:28.140 French.

01:08:28.640 We've translated the Bible into French.

01:08:30.300 We've translated the Bible into strange Amazonian dialects that have clicking sounds in them.

01:08:35.260 And one of the languages that we have translated the Bible into is called Hawaiian Pidgin.

01:08:41.140 It is the sort of gobbledygook version of English that you get if you are in Hawaii.

01:08:47.960 And the special thing is, is that the Hawaiian Pidgin version of the New Testament is called, I'm not making this up, Da Jesus Book.

01:09:01.400 Da Jesus Book.

01:09:02.380 So can I tell the story of how this, who, which one of us found this?

01:09:05.380 Was it, was I the one who found this?

01:09:06.920 I think you found it.

01:09:08.300 I think, yeah.

01:09:08.920 So just somewhere in my, in my travels, uh, in, in the, in the deep, dark recesses of the Internet.

01:09:14.360 So I found this the other night and I don't even know what we were doing.

01:09:17.200 And I sent it in the chat as a sort of, Hey, maybe something to talk about on ThoughtCrime this week.

01:09:22.960 And Charlie totally thought I was trolling.

01:09:25.160 No, I thought it was like, he's like, that's not real.

01:09:28.180 That's a meme that no one would ever actually make a Bible and call it Da Jesus Book.

01:09:33.940 And, and then I, and then we thought, right, there it is.

01:09:37.180 There it is.

01:09:38.240 And so I don't know if we have the shot of this, but you can go to Bible.com or Bible Hub or Bible Gateway.

01:09:44.960 Like, you know, those websites where they're, they're pretty popular where you can, you can go through different translations, different versions of the Bible.

01:09:51.740 Just scroll down on one of those and you'll see it right there.

01:09:54.780 Hawaii Pigeon.

01:09:56.900 And, uh, I'll, I'll just read a little bit from now.

01:10:00.980 Normally, for example, you might hear, you might hear something called, well, Charlie, let's, let's go, let's go.

01:10:06.680 You know, let's, let's keep it surface level for folks.

01:10:08.680 We all know you've got the thing memorized front to back, but let's keep it surface level.

01:10:12.060 I don't have the name.

01:10:14.000 What is that?

01:10:14.620 Oh no, that's Erica.

01:10:15.960 Um, what is the name of, I know, right?

01:10:18.580 Now, what is the name of the first book of the Bible?

01:10:20.740 Right.

01:10:20.960 First book of the Bible.

01:10:22.020 Genesis.

01:10:22.220 Genesis.

01:10:22.620 Okay.

01:10:23.280 They call it the book of start.

01:10:26.600 And then the second book is called out of Egypt, not out of Egypt.

01:10:32.620 Out of Egypt.

01:10:33.340 What is Leviticus?

01:10:34.100 Out of Egypt.

01:10:34.400 Leviticus is the laws.

01:10:35.660 It's priests.

01:10:36.560 Priests.

01:10:37.580 And then numbers.

01:10:39.740 In the wild.

01:10:40.720 Census.

01:10:41.520 Census.

01:10:42.320 Okay.

01:10:42.760 Deuteronomy.

01:10:43.400 Two laws.

01:10:43.880 Rules second time.

01:10:45.540 See, I was not wrong.

01:10:46.200 I was not far off.

01:10:47.060 Two laws.

01:10:47.800 Okay.

01:10:47.960 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:10:49.460 Let me guess.

01:10:50.200 Then Joshua.

01:10:50.900 Joshua's Joshua.

01:10:51.760 Okay.

01:10:52.060 Then, uh, then it would be judges.

01:10:54.300 Local leaders.

01:10:55.280 Local leaders.

01:10:56.040 First and second Kings.

01:10:57.180 Those Kings.

01:10:58.140 Ruth, Samuel, Kings.

01:10:59.920 Those are all the same.

01:11:00.640 Hold on.

01:11:00.920 First and second Chronicles.

01:11:02.440 First and second Chronicles.

01:11:02.640 It would be Dem Wright's records, unfortunately.

01:11:05.700 I'm so close.

01:11:07.240 I think the next best good one is we have songs, which is Psalms.

01:11:11.740 And then I think Proverbs.

01:11:12.600 These are great.

01:11:12.880 These are great.

01:11:13.320 Hold on.

01:11:13.440 Um, something with like, like lines of wisdom.

01:11:18.520 Smart guys.

01:11:22.160 Wait, no, the next one.

01:11:23.380 No, you can't be serious.

01:11:24.520 The next one's great too.

01:11:25.400 Wait.

01:11:25.560 It's smart guys.

01:11:26.360 Well, that's Ecclesiastes, which comes after Proverbs, right?

01:11:28.960 Which would be like those musings.

01:11:31.720 Teacher.

01:11:32.620 Teacher?

01:11:33.280 Teacher.

01:11:34.060 Is Ecclesiastes.

01:11:34.900 I, I, I, I, presumably, I guess if they're following the same order and then love song,

01:11:39.620 that's, that song's a song of Solomon's.

01:11:41.300 Yeah.

01:11:41.420 That's actually pretty good.

01:11:42.380 That's, and then lamentations is, hold on, is, uh, regrets.

01:11:46.340 Sad song.

01:11:47.240 Okay.

01:11:48.240 Love song and sad song.

01:11:49.900 There's a theme.

01:11:50.500 There's a theme.

01:11:53.700 There's a lot of the prophets, but that one's great.

01:11:56.760 Can you jump ahead a little bit to, so we have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but what,

01:12:00.660 what do they call acts of the apostles?

01:12:02.320 It's like, uh, it's like the gang of the apostles.

01:12:04.720 Jesus guys.

01:12:05.560 Jesus guys.

01:12:06.460 Jesus guys.

01:12:07.060 I kind of, I want to read just a certain like line from, this is not a joke.

01:12:09.880 This is an actual translation.

01:12:10.860 This is a real translation.

01:12:11.560 By the way, the Old Testament.

01:12:12.640 You read the one you have, and then I have an idea for what I want to do next.

01:12:15.300 So we'll, we'll have Charlie pull it at random.

01:12:16.960 First of all, da Jesus book is technically just the New Testament.

01:12:21.040 The Old Testament is called da be foe Jesus book.

01:12:25.260 You're kidding me.

01:12:26.100 Uh, the first version that I came out of, I, this is just the first one that came out.

01:12:29.120 So there's probably better lines, but this is Matthew one.

01:12:32.040 So, uh, this is the ancestry of Jesus.

01:12:34.020 Yes.

01:12:34.360 The genealogy.

01:12:35.020 So it starts Jesus ancestor guys.

01:12:37.860 Dis book tell about Jesus and his ancestor guys.

01:12:41.580 He da Christ guy.

01:12:42.800 Da special guy.

01:12:44.020 God when sent.

01:12:45.660 He from King David Ohana.

01:12:47.600 And David, he from Abraham Ohana.

01:12:50.280 Dis Jesus Ohana list.

01:12:52.500 Get 14 fathers from Abraham to Jacob.

01:12:55.500 Abraham, he Isaac father.

01:12:57.840 Isaac, he Jacob father.

01:12:59.380 Jacob, he Judah father.

01:13:01.580 It goes on like this for ages and ages and ages.

01:13:03.760 And, uh, I want to, I want to hear.

01:13:05.200 And then we get to the second part.

01:13:06.700 Jesus born before Mary born Jesus.

01:13:09.480 The special guy, God, when said this happened, Mary, she make ready for Mary Joseph.

01:13:15.620 But before they marry, the good and special spirit make her get happy.

01:13:21.140 Happy.

01:13:21.840 Oh, I guess.

01:13:23.820 Is that?

01:13:24.180 Well, I mean, the original Greek is they got to know each other.

01:13:27.360 Something.

01:13:28.580 I actually think it's kind of sweet.

01:13:30.680 I actually enjoy it.

01:13:32.100 I could listen to this on top.

01:13:33.380 I think get happy is pregnant, actually.

01:13:34.980 That's correct.

01:13:35.740 Joseph, the guy that going come her husband, he one guy that do the right thing every time.

01:13:41.800 And he no, like, make her come shame in front da people.

01:13:45.480 So he figure, I no go and marry her, but I no go and tell anybody.

01:13:49.780 Is this on audio, bro?

01:13:50.920 Look at your name, by the way.

01:13:52.120 Can we show that again?

01:13:55.220 I'm going to have to go on.

01:13:56.900 No, we should have Bud Light.

01:13:57.980 We should have this as an audio book from Bud Light Blake.

01:14:00.760 That's right.

01:14:01.220 Bud Light Blake.

01:14:02.040 So, Jack, you want to play a game?

01:14:03.540 By the way, let me guess what Revelations is.

01:14:05.800 End times.

01:14:07.960 No, that's.

01:14:09.840 Whoa.

01:14:10.720 What Jesus Show John.

01:14:12.300 Jesus Show.

01:14:13.700 Jesus Show John.

01:14:14.460 What Jesus Show John.

01:14:15.220 It just says Jesus Show.

01:14:16.960 Like the Charlie Kirk show.

01:14:18.940 What Jesus Show John.

01:14:20.060 Matthew.

01:14:20.460 I do a particular.

01:14:21.740 Is Matthew the tax man?

01:14:24.120 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

01:14:25.800 And for Matthew 2, it says, the smart guys who know plenty about the stars.

01:14:34.160 That's the wise men.

01:14:36.700 They're talking about the wise men.

01:14:38.480 So, Charlie, give me, give me, let's just, just, just give us chapter and verse.

01:14:42.320 Let's go.

01:14:42.920 Let's, let's spin the wheel.

01:14:44.080 This one, one of the most, one of the most famous verses in the Bible.

01:14:46.720 Genesis 1, 26, 1, 27.

01:14:48.820 And God created male and female in his image.

01:14:51.900 And we'll create man and woman in our image.

01:14:53.680 One of the most famous verses in the Bible.

01:14:54.980 Genesis 1, 26, 1, 27.

01:14:57.760 Okay.

01:14:58.260 Then God tells.

01:15:01.560 Now I like make people.

01:15:03.980 I like them be, y'all like me.

01:15:06.360 Y'all like one copy.

01:15:07.900 They go and be in charge of everything.

01:15:10.020 The fish inside the ocean, the birds inside the sky, the animals, all the land, all the

01:15:16.780 small kind animals that go around on top of the ground.

01:15:20.120 So God make the people, same, same, just like one copy of him.

01:15:24.780 He make guy kind.

01:15:27.100 Oh, man.

01:15:28.260 He make guy kind and waheen kind.

01:15:32.100 I couldn't, I can't even get that one.

01:15:34.420 Waheen kind.

01:15:35.220 There you go.

01:15:38.020 John 3, 27.

01:15:39.060 John 3, 16.

01:15:39.920 For God so.

01:15:40.080 I got this.

01:15:40.620 I'll get this one.

01:15:41.280 For God so loved the world.

01:15:42.600 I thought that's what you were going to say.

01:15:43.640 That he gave his one and only son that whomever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal

01:15:47.700 life.

01:15:48.160 God get plenty love and aloha for the people inside the world.

01:15:53.200 That's why, that's why he sent me his one and only boy.

01:15:59.000 Cause of that, everybody, trust me, no going get cut off from God forever.

01:16:04.740 They going get the real kind life that going to stay the max forever.

01:16:10.460 Okay.

01:16:11.080 So, so Jack, I, I just, I, I'm, we're going to get a lot of heat, you know, I hate by the

01:16:14.740 Dartmouth.

01:16:14.960 Can't breathe.

01:16:15.600 That's Dartmouth on display right there.

01:16:17.380 Bud Light Blake.

01:16:18.180 So people are going to say, Charlie, why are you guys making fun of if this brings people

01:16:21.840 to the Lord?

01:16:22.280 Is this a real language, Jack?

01:16:24.080 Like help people understand what dialect is this?

01:16:26.440 I thought this was trolling.

01:16:27.460 I thought the Jesus book was a joke.

01:16:30.660 Like, I thought, I thought this was no way.

01:16:32.700 This is real.

01:16:33.240 Like AI generated.

01:16:34.540 What is, is this an actual language that, that, that people speak?

01:16:38.320 So here's the thing.

01:16:39.420 This, this, keep in mind, this is not the Hawaiian language.

01:16:42.720 This is not the English language.

01:16:44.500 This is a Creole language that is spoken by like some people in Hawaii, but many, but

01:16:52.740 the two official languages of Hawaii are English and Hawaiian.

01:16:56.540 Those are fully developed languages.

01:16:59.160 They allow for things like radiation.

01:17:01.220 They allow for things like, uh, the various, um, and, and key differences in many of the

01:17:07.780 translations to, to come in.

01:17:09.560 And so Charlie, my, yeah, I'm just going to say it.

01:17:12.120 Like I'm literally just going to say it that what I think you're doing here is you're actually

01:17:16.200 lowering the status of the word by putting it into a language like this, quite frankly.

01:17:21.760 And I think you're depriving it of meaning in many cases and you are degrading it so much.

01:17:27.940 So if, if this is being done potentially as a way to help really and truly help a certain

01:17:33.920 subset of people, uh, to put it, to, to bring them into the fullness of Christ, that's one

01:17:39.760 thing.

01:17:40.080 But the idea that you wouldn't also be trying to help those people to fully understand,

01:17:45.020 uh, even the Hawaiian language, by the way, the actual Hawaiian language, I think you're

01:17:50.720 just going to miss so much in terms of the teaching.

01:17:52.720 I think you're going to miss so much in terms of the moral guidance that the Bible and the

01:17:57.660 new Testament gives, because I'm, I'm looking at some of these things and you can just tell

01:18:01.440 that the way that they're, you know, and, and Blake, you, you know, you're looking at

01:18:04.540 the translations.

01:18:05.120 I've got it on you version, so you can do side by side.

01:18:08.040 Uh, it's, it's very simplistic.

01:18:09.800 It's like, basically, it's like when you read one of those, you know, simplified versions

01:18:13.940 of articles, you know, there's different websites, there's simple versions.

01:18:16.800 It's, it's not the fullness of the actual teaching.

01:18:19.640 And I feel like there's a lot lost that way.

01:18:21.280 And I think it's worth highlighting that Hawaiian, the Hawaiian language that the Hawaiian spoke,

01:18:26.400 that was trans, there's a Bible translation for that from the 1800s.

01:18:29.420 And of course, as we all know, the Bible was written, but this is just made up.

01:18:33.060 So yeah, this is just made up, right?

01:18:36.220 So it is, there are real, it is a real pigeon language.

01:18:38.940 There are people who talk this way.

01:18:40.900 I think there is a school of thought that thinks you should bring the Bible to people

01:18:46.420 in whatever manner they speak.

01:18:48.340 But, and there's also an academic thing that will say like all languages are 100% equal.

01:18:53.640 And so Hawaiian pigeon is a language on par with, you know, the queen's English.

01:18:59.000 Yeah, but Bible scholars wouldn't tell them.

01:19:00.640 Yeah, no.

01:19:01.760 You'll get, you know, two Bible scholars, three opinions.

01:19:05.960 But what I think is unfortunately true here is, it is true.

01:19:10.560 It's just a pigeon language by its very nature is going to be a degraded form of a language

01:19:15.180 that struggles to express concepts.

01:19:18.340 And I do worry, you know, just our reaction to it does, does show the downsides of this,

01:19:22.880 which is it is a faintly ridiculous language.

01:19:25.000 I mean, if people get saved through this, it's great.

01:19:27.540 But it feels as if, I mean, I'm just going to be honest.

01:19:30.360 If you learned English, I think John 3.16 is just more powerful than whatever that is.

01:19:35.640 For sure.

01:19:36.220 For sure.

01:19:36.780 Eventually you go through so many, like you go from Greek to Latin to English to pigeon speak.

01:19:43.560 Like you're for derivatives.

01:19:45.060 Like I don't think that.

01:19:45.860 You know what?

01:19:46.280 So this is like when I, this is like when I, this is like when I talk to my kids, this

01:19:50.720 is like when I explain to my toddlers, uh, various stories of the Bible.

01:19:55.500 So, you know, I'm, I'm trying to impart them the, the lesson.

01:19:59.820 I'm trying to impart them the wisdom that's coming through, but obviously it's not going

01:20:04.920 to be direct.

01:20:05.980 So, and I'm teaching them that way because they're children and I'm trying to bring them

01:20:11.160 into a general sense of right and wrong and teach them these basic concepts, teach them

01:20:16.020 the basics of, you know, the, the, the nativity, for example, teaching the basics of, of some

01:20:21.980 of the things that occurred throughout the gospels, et cetera.

01:20:25.180 But this is no way to talk to an adult.

01:20:28.260 I'm sorry.

01:20:28.720 I will say this is better than the message translation of the Bible.

01:20:35.580 The message is really bad.

01:20:36.620 The message is really bad.

01:20:37.900 And their version of the Lord's prayer is.

01:20:40.340 The, the message is used way too much.

01:20:43.340 It's used too much.

01:20:44.580 New, new church world.

01:20:45.680 And they'll just straight up change.

01:20:46.820 They'll probably change the meaning more than the Hawaiian pigeon one does.

01:20:50.220 Yes.

01:20:50.480 Hawaiian pigeon has vocabulary limitations.

01:20:52.820 This is the messages version of the Lord's prayer gospel of Matthew.

01:20:56.380 Our father in heaven, reveal who you are, set the world, right?

01:21:01.300 Do what's best as above.

01:21:03.820 So below.

01:21:04.880 That's not what it says.

01:21:05.840 Keep us alive with three square meals.

01:21:08.180 No.

01:21:08.500 Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

01:21:11.140 No.

01:21:11.340 Keep us safe from ourselves and the devil.

01:21:13.800 No.

01:21:14.320 You're in charge.

01:21:15.460 You can do anything you want.

01:21:17.460 You're a blazing beauty.

01:21:19.240 Yes.

01:21:20.120 Yes.

01:21:21.220 Yes.

01:21:21.800 I, I, I, hold on a second.

01:21:23.020 There was nothing about forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.

01:21:26.060 Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

01:21:28.720 But it just, at this end, it's like God is down and needs a pep talk from people.

01:21:33.040 No.

01:21:33.320 You're like, you, you just, you can go get them, God.

01:21:36.700 You can beat them.

01:21:37.540 You can, you can beat the bad guys.

01:21:40.280 I appreciate it.

01:21:41.020 Just throwing it up there, folks.

01:21:42.020 I'm kind of, I'm kind of upset that one doesn't have aloha thrown in the middle of

01:21:45.520 there.

01:21:46.700 All right, guys, do we have an, we, we, we glanced over one other topic, didn't we?

01:21:50.000 That we were supposed to do really quick.

01:21:51.700 Do we, do we want to hit it?

01:21:52.760 No, I, we're running out of time.

01:21:54.180 There was one really quick, though, that we had on the docket.

01:21:56.640 Oh, ebony alerts.

01:21:57.480 Really quick.

01:21:57.940 Oh, ebony alerts.

01:21:58.400 We have to do it.

01:21:58.720 We want to hit this last week.

01:21:59.660 We want to hit this last week.

01:22:00.700 We have to do it.

01:22:00.720 Ebony alerts.

01:22:01.520 Cue up the, cue up the beeping again.

01:22:02.980 So in, we all have amber alerts in, I think nationwide at this point, there are amber alerts.

01:22:09.040 Yes.

01:22:09.380 Amber alerts are missing child.

01:22:11.100 You can get an alert on your phone.

01:22:12.420 Be on the lookout for this kid.

01:22:13.820 There's also been, uh, silver alerts, which are missing elderly people who might have dementia

01:22:18.780 and have wandered off, but California just came up with by far the most patronizing version

01:22:23.520 of these possible.

01:22:25.140 Okay.

01:22:25.640 That's a lie.

01:22:26.180 I'll, we'll get to that in a second.

01:22:27.260 California just debuted a new one called ebony alerts, which, uh, ebony of course is a,

01:22:32.400 uh, dark colored substance.

01:22:33.600 And, uh, so it is a special form of amber alert that is only for black people.

01:22:39.220 And there are just iterations of it where you can qualify for it if you are black, but

01:22:44.300 you would not qualify for it.

01:22:46.020 So blacks get their own iPhone alerts.

01:22:48.320 Yes.

01:22:48.600 They got their own iPhone alerts.

01:22:50.540 Uh, let's see.

01:22:53.040 The, the official explanation for it was just, there are, they, they need it.

01:22:57.380 And apparently people just ignore amber alerts unless they're for the allegation was people

01:23:02.840 ignore amber alerts unless they're like cute, blonde, white children.

01:23:06.460 And otherwise people would just like smash their phone with a hammer or something.

01:23:11.080 Uh, so that was the claim.

01:23:12.160 So they're going to avoid this by creating an entirely new system.

01:23:15.940 And it's sort of, but what I get about it being patronizing is, or condescending is amber

01:23:21.500 alerts are for children.

01:23:23.200 And the main change, as far as I can tell with ebony alerts is just that if you're a black

01:23:29.100 person, you qualify until you're the age of 25.

01:23:31.480 And so they're saying if we're counting them as children, we just, we need to extend the

01:23:35.500 range at which they're counted as children.

01:23:37.980 And that is, I guess the top priority of the state of California.

01:23:41.280 So here's my question.

01:23:42.220 So when I, when I get an ebony, what got an ebony alert, ebony, ebony.

01:23:46.440 No, when I get an amber alert, it goes like, and when I get an ebony alert, do I get a chirp?

01:23:53.220 I'm going to, you know, you're going to have to find out yourself.

01:23:55.480 I disable all of these.

01:23:57.320 That's the new app.

01:23:58.260 That's the new app from the thought, from thought crime.

01:24:01.600 So the thought crime app, we should set up a new app for not just the shows, but when

01:24:06.380 something comes out, that's a thought crime, we can push a notification to everybody, uh,

01:24:10.480 like a thought crime alert.

01:24:11.540 And the sound would be chirp.

01:24:16.440 You're not, you're not going to believe me, but there's a fourth alert that they already

01:24:21.200 have in California.

01:24:23.060 What is that?

01:24:23.840 It is for American Indians and it is called a feather alert.

01:24:28.680 No, you're kidding.

01:24:29.380 I am not making that up.

01:24:30.700 I thought it was a lie when I read it too.

01:24:32.660 Wait, so we can't call the team the Redskins, but we can have feather alerts, feather alerts,

01:24:37.420 feather alerts for missing American Indians.

01:24:39.740 Who came up with that?

01:24:42.140 Not me.

01:24:42.900 Well, I mean, that's like, that's like, if you were, that's, that's like a 4chan thing

01:24:48.060 that they tried to, that sounds like something that 4chan would do to like, try to troll people

01:24:52.840 into thinking was actually real to see if they could get like some stupid journalist

01:24:56.340 to actually repeat it.

01:24:57.520 Like they did with the okay symbol, um, or like to get some stupid politician to actually

01:25:01.520 repeat it.

01:25:02.240 But one that actually went a little bit too far and ended up actually going into like

01:25:08.680 the actual parlance.

01:25:10.480 I mean, that's just like, it sounds like a parody.

01:25:13.740 Speaking of what would you even do?

01:25:15.680 Speaking of going too far, this is the actual wording state of California website, california.gov.

01:25:20.180 In order for a feather alert to be activated, a law enforcement agency must determine that

01:25:25.220 the following criteria have been met.

01:25:26.220 Number one, the missing person is an indigenous woman or indigenous person.

01:25:33.800 Okay.

01:25:34.660 Indigenous woman.

01:25:35.500 So how many categories?

01:25:36.500 So we have Amber.

01:25:38.000 Amber.

01:25:38.640 Ebony.

01:25:39.460 Ebony.

01:25:40.160 Feather.

01:25:41.080 Silver.

01:25:41.720 For old people.

01:25:43.100 Oh, there's an older one?

01:25:44.200 Yeah.

01:25:44.400 So silver alerts.

01:25:45.340 And that's like dementia person wandered away.

01:25:47.680 That sort of thing.

01:25:47.860 Have you ever received a silver alert?

01:25:49.260 I disable all of these on my phone.

01:25:50.860 Do you really?

01:25:51.520 I believe in, you know, ruthless, ruthless Darwinian selection.

01:25:54.940 And so if people, if people go missing, that's, uh, don't bother my phone.

01:25:59.940 Exactly.

01:26:00.740 I'm just, uh, I'm getting a, I just got a Bud Light alert in my ear for me.

01:26:08.120 All right.

01:26:08.780 Closing thoughts, Jack.

01:26:09.860 Tyler had to run.

01:26:12.640 Yeah, no, look, when it, when it comes down to it, um, I think that when it comes to a lot

01:26:17.820 of these issues, any of the stuff that we've talked about, we shouldn't always just argue

01:26:22.240 about it as if it's in a vacuum.

01:26:23.600 These things are actually happening to us, to conservatives, uh, to white Christian males

01:26:29.480 in the country at this very moment, not just our, not just the United States, but all across

01:26:33.560 the West.

01:26:34.140 So any conversation that we start having about how should we fight back should be about how

01:26:39.240 do we win and how do we crush the people that are literally trying to put us behind

01:26:44.400 bars.

01:26:44.920 And in some cases have us killed.

01:26:47.620 So if you're not talking about that first, you talk about something else, I think you're

01:26:51.100 just out of the conversation.

01:26:53.820 Blake, final thoughts.

01:26:55.480 I bet we could get conservatives to support phone alerts for missing college football players

01:27:00.040 called pigskin alerts.

01:27:03.560 Bud Light, Blake strikes again.

01:27:06.060 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:27:07.920 Watch our program tomorrow at 12 Eastern.

01:27:09.400 Jack follows us on real America's voice until then, keep on committing thought crimes.

01:27:15.580 And to cue us out, Ebony and Ivory by Paul McCartney.

01:27:21.020 I was hoping.

01:27:22.460 The crime is death.

01:27:24.680 The crime is death.

01:27:26.060 The crime is death.

01:27:26.300 The crime is death.

01:27:26.880 The crime is death.

01:27:29.180 The crime is death.

01:27:30.480 The crime is death.

01:27:34.480 The crime has been death.

01:27:35.480 The crime is death.

01:27:36.780 It's death.

01:27:37.480 The crime is death.

01:27:39.340 It's death.

01:27:39.540 The crime is death.

01:27:39.980 It's death.

01:27:40.840 The crime is death.

01:27:41.900 It's death.

01:27:42.340 It's death.

01:27:42.840 It's death.

01:27:44.000 It's death.

01:27:45.020 It's death.

01:27:46.060 The crime is death.

01:27:47.660 It's death.

01:27:48.520 The crime is death.

01:27:48.860 It's death.

01:27:49.600 It's death.

01:27:50.780 It's death.

01:27:51.480 It's death.

01:27:52.240 It's death.

01:27:53.060 It's death.

01:27:53.300 It's death.

01:27:53.920 It's death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 28, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 19 — UFC and Bud Light？ Rich, Childless Countries？ Ebony Alerts？

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