In this episode of Thought Crime, Andrew and Jack dive deep into the conspiracy surrounding the sinking of the Titanic and the possible involvement of the U.S. Navy in a massive search and rescue effort to find the victims of a massive explosion on board the Titanic.
00:01:11.060Yeah, so just a few moments before this story or before we went live and everyone heard, of course, this afternoon that the debris field and some of the major portions of this submarine submersible.
00:01:25.000Actually, it's not a submarine because it's not an independent, independent driver under the ocean was found.
00:01:39.020And I remember thinking that it was more likely that there hadn't been a catastrophic event because the U.S. Navy hadn't said anything.
00:01:47.520And there's, of course, this multimillion dollar rescue effort underway.
00:01:51.240The global Hail Mary Daily Mail is all talking about it.
00:01:53.960Well, we just got from the Wall Street Journal and now it's it's in ABC, it's in Fox News, it's everywhere.
00:02:00.220They're all telling us that actually, no, the U.S. Navy did pick this up on one of the SOSIS arrays that's laid out there on the seabed in the Atlantic.
00:02:09.080These are the sub trackers that we've had out since World War Two looking for originally would have been U-boats, but now Russian subs all throughout the entire Cold War.
00:02:16.960People are saying, oh, those are classified, et cetera.
00:02:19.360So they have a Wikipedia page right there.
00:02:21.440It's not exactly the biggest secret in the world.
00:02:23.160And so they heard this thing on Sunday.
00:02:34.780Dan Crenshaw has been tweeting up a storm saying, you know, it seems like the Coast Guard isn't putting its most capable devices, most capable vessels out on this.
00:02:44.200They have stuff that's very easy to recover people.
00:03:00.960I mean, I suppose there are a couple of reasons.
00:03:03.060But I can certainly think I mean, you might say, all right, we're not sure it could have been another submersible that exploded underwater at the exact same time that this went under.
00:03:12.960But of course, that's obviously quite far fetched.
00:03:14.820There was only one known to be operating in the area.
00:03:16.940We haven't heard any information about other submersibles in the area.
00:03:19.820But obviously, this came at a week that was full of horrible news for President Biden, particularly related to his son.
00:03:28.780They had a huge plea deal that he had to know was coming down.
00:03:32.160These charges that they knew were coming down, they were in the final stages.
00:03:35.380And then today there was a whistleblower that came out on Hunter Biden.
00:03:37.960And look, I'm not usually one of those people who say, why are we focused on one story because it's a distraction from something else?
00:03:44.740That's that's like the last thing I ever say.
00:03:47.060Jack, Jack, I got to make sure I understand.
00:03:48.720And, Blake, feel free to be my sidekick in the devil's advocate.
00:03:55.320So I just want to make sure I understand the theory of Jack.
00:03:56.980So you're trying to say that Joe Biden received the U.S. Navy intelligence and said, let's hold on this to create unnecessary suspense as a multi-day PSYOP so that people won't talk about my son, Blake.
00:04:12.220Oh, I guess we should confirm that's what he.
00:04:26.400Like, if you go to Fox News, they're still leading with all of the sub stuff.
00:04:30.300And if we I think we allow ourselves to as people who consume a lot of news, I think it's way too easy for us to assume any story that's on the news has to be somehow related to any other story.
00:04:43.080And just as someone who's worked in the news before, it doesn't really work that way.
00:04:47.260It's it's hard enough covering everything without trying to, like, decide, oh, we need to push this story to distract from this story or to complement the story.
00:04:55.740It's it just doesn't really what is another explanation, Jack.
00:04:59.180They were just waiting for debris and confirmation.
00:05:01.020They didn't want to they didn't want to be wrong.
00:05:24.540My point is, though, is that there was credible information from Sunday that this thing had suffered a catastrophic implosion within a couple hours of even knowing that it was lost.
00:05:39.580And we get these drips and drabs from, again, official sources saying, oh, we're hearing taps every 30 minutes.
00:05:45.940Oh, it's the size of Connecticut, et cetera, et cetera.
00:05:48.200While they were sitting on this information all along.
00:05:51.000Well, I think Charlie's point is a good one, which is just that if they're coming out with that, they're essentially saying, we believe they're dead.
00:05:59.900And they may have wanted to find debris to make it more of a confirmed thing so they don't rob people of hope while there is still at least some hope out there.
00:08:00.140Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:08:12.320Andrew, do you have strong opinions about the Titanic film?
00:08:15.520You know, I'm old enough to have lived through it as well, and it was unlike any other movie in my lifetime.
00:08:25.320I mean, the thing was in theaters for weeks and weeks and weeks.
00:08:29.180Honestly, I'm a little sad that, you know, this generation will never experience, I think, a movie like that because it – I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the movie.
00:08:55.180So besides those facts, I mean, it was a cultural phenomenon, and, you know, I've seen a ton of memes we all have about this, which I think is actually kind of the heart of this topic.
00:09:06.640It's like this pretty crazy adventure industry made for rich people, and they take their lives into their own hands to do these crazy things.
00:09:20.220And in this instance, this is a five-person submarine.
00:09:24.680It was not spherical, which would have been the preferred shape, the more stable shape, but they made it a sphere – or rather a –
00:09:51.300So the point is this whole thing was fairly crazy, and now we're getting reports from people that had survived these previous dives, and they're saying,
00:10:02.900I'm lucky to be alive, I was fortunate.
00:10:52.460A shocking number of them do, in fact, just watch a lot of TV or just have – it makes you feel good about yourself.
00:10:58.560You're like, okay, what – am I missing out on anything by not being super rich?
00:11:02.120That's not everybody who's rich, but there is a burden of boredom that sometimes sets in.
00:11:09.400And you have to – some people compensate that boredom by finding weird political causes like the Lorene Pal jobs
00:11:15.660or doing extraordinarily goofy things like going into like a makeshift submarine to go see the Titanic
00:11:22.460because it will give you better cocktail party conversation.
00:11:25.600And it pretty much is just that because think about what the sub was.
00:11:29.280It had like a viewing portal that was supposedly large, but it wasn't that big.
00:11:33.880And the main way they actually viewed the Titanic when it isn't imploding is it was like a – it was a computer view screen.
00:11:40.760So you could just be on a boat and you could send a sub and look at it on a computer screen.
00:11:44.820You could also send an unmanned sub and watch it on maybe a VR headset.
00:11:48.420You could watch like an A&E documentary about the Titanic and you'd see just as much of the Titanic.
00:11:53.280So it really is like just the – I'm going to pay $250,000 to say like I was physically near the Titanic.
00:11:59.900And now it seems they will be physically near the Titanic forever.
00:12:03.060So now the most important part of the conversation, which is Jack, how – do you believe the original Titanic sinking has some suspicious aura to it?
00:12:14.140JP Morgan, Federal Reserve, World Banking Cartel.
00:12:19.080I mean, look, in that day and age, there's definitely a lot easier ways to take out people than blowing up an entire ship.
00:12:28.080That being said, obviously there is a line in the movie that kind of refers to this because there were members of the Titanic's crew that were involved in what led to the creation of the Federal Reserve.
00:12:40.180There's an awful amount of suspicious activity.
00:12:44.600So, Andrew, is it just fair to admit the Titanic is filled of sea demons and no one should get close to it?
00:13:37.040You have a pool and you have, like, a cup or a bowl and you sort of, like, press it down on the top of the water and it retains the air, right?
00:13:43.380But then if you turn it, it flips upside down.
00:13:45.540This is the same exact concept just at massive, massive scale.
00:13:50.200But, Jack, they were – there was stories from previous launches of this submarine that they would land on the hull of the Titanic.
00:14:00.540They would land the vessel on the hull.
00:14:02.760And I'm thinking to myself, this thing's janky.
00:14:05.300You and I were showing – or sharing the Daily Mail articles where there was – the ballasts had fallen off on a previous launch and they reattached them with zip ties.
00:14:15.860So, I mean, I don't know about you, but this thing was a walking, you know, floating, sinking, disaster waiting to happen.
00:14:26.760And the fact that they are landing it on the hull of the Titanic to me is just insane.
00:14:43.680Well, to play devil's advocate, you could probably – I bet there's an alternate universe where you could say, like, Charles Lindbergh's flight over the Atlantic was, like, really foolhardy.
00:14:51.200Like, oh, one guy is going to – with his homemade plane is going – not 100% homemade, but, you know, in a shop.
00:14:57.420And he's going to fly over the Atlantic by himself.
00:15:00.380And, you know, there's an alternate universe where –
00:15:02.000Where Lindbergh just crashes and dies and everyone's like –
00:15:04.540But that was – that would have broke a record or something, right?
00:15:13.600They paid their money to – there was no upside except pride.
00:15:17.280Yeah, but, you know, we're advancing – you advance human civilization by making it cheaper and more – advancing our ability to do dumb tourism things.
00:15:27.600Yeah, I mean, I just – go ahead, Jack.
00:15:29.700I was going to say, I think Blake is right in a sense, right?
00:15:32.880Because, obviously, there is something to be said about the human spirit and exploration.
00:15:38.840I don't necessarily think that this was pushing beyond the frontiers of human knowledge or human experience.
00:15:46.080But at the same time, we know that eventually we would like to get back to the point where we're pushing about further into space, where we're understanding more about the ocean depths.
00:15:54.680But, you know, kind of a thought I had earlier when even just thinking about the show that we're on here, we're calling this thought crime, right?
00:16:02.380So these guys, were they pushing boundaries and were they taking on risks in a sense personally?
00:16:07.980Yes, but they were always doing so within the confines of their own walled garden, within the confines of their own – you know, the nursery of the longhouse, if you will, right?
00:16:18.880And then one day they find themselves in the jungle.
00:16:21.060But, you know, you take a guy like that and, yeah, they'll spend money to go down on this rickety submarine, which – and we interviewed a guy today who said this thing wouldn't have even been certified to operate in U.S. waters.
00:16:31.520That's why they had to do it out in international waters.
00:16:34.060But you go and have them – okay, would they talk publicly, though, about any of the topics that we're going to get into tonight, any of the topics that we got into last week, any of the topics that we talk about on a regular basis?
00:16:46.380God forbid they posed something about, you know, going up against transgender orthodoxy or any of the orthodoxies that were forced to talk about inner city crime, any of the various things that you're just supposed to be quiet about.
00:16:59.700They would be completely unwilling to take that risk, even though they were willing to take a risk that ultimately ended in their own deaths.
00:17:07.640Is it healthy to have your richest people spend their money, time, and resources doing things for their own delight and kind of ignoring some of the, I don't know, more pressing issues of humanity?
00:17:20.660I mean, the question – I mean, or is it, hey, I'd rather have Jeff Bezos launching rockets in space than Bill Gates trying to create weird, creepy vaccines that change our DNA?
00:17:31.160Look, what can I say? I'm a believer in the good of the country. I'm a patriot. I think that we should absolutely be pushing the boundaries of science, and I think that it's something as a national project that we seem to have lost.
00:17:49.120We seem to have lost this idea of a national purpose, a national ethos, if you will, to the point where people with money do what you were saying earlier.
00:17:57.140They're just kind of sitting around watching TV thinking about what to do.
00:18:00.480All right. I have a question, though, and we all know about them, and we've been, like, wondering how much we can share, but the meme economy has gotten a massive infusion because of the Titan sub.
00:18:15.500All right. We all secretly laugh a little bit when we see them because some of them are really funny.
00:18:22.660Obviously, this is a tragedy. Nobody's laughing at the loss of life, but honest question, why did this spark so many memes?
00:18:30.360And I think we have a couple of them here. I mean, people are sharing them. They're creating them. Why is that even happening? I think it's a really valid question.
00:18:37.680It's about this entire segment, just for the record. Never laugh about something like this.
00:18:41.960Well, it's because it's hard to have sympathy for a bunch of really rich people doing something dumb that they willingly signed up for and ignored all the warning signs.
00:19:03.300And weird little details like it's driven with a video game controller. And then the CEO with his weird remarks like, oh, 55-year-old submarine veterans are not inspiring, so we need 25-year-old college graduates to drive this.
00:19:20.440And all of that is perfectly set up for a tragic comedy. You can easily imagine a movie being made about this someday.
00:19:27.000But there's also something to say that they signed up for this. This was not just like they were walking on the side of the street and fell into a well.
00:19:37.140They went into this with a fair amount of agency and agreement. And so it's a tragedy. At the same time, here they are bragging about all the woke elements of their personnel selection.
00:19:50.140Yeah, some of it, it's like if you die riding in a barrel over Niagara Falls, as a lot of people have done, actually.
00:20:27.640Annie Taylor. I was right. Yeah. It's drawing from memory.
00:20:31.860Whenever you mention a woman at Niagara, it makes me think of the fantastic film noir movie Niagara with Marilyn Monroe, which is absolutely her best movie by far. I'll watch that anytime it's on.
00:20:44.060So speaking of people that used to be considered the embodiment of perfect beauty, there is a new study out.
00:20:52.380And look, you just got to trust the science. Studies say. The studies have spoken.
00:20:59.260And it's very clear. And if you disagree, you're anti-science. In fact, you probably hate yourself.
00:22:13.020So, but there's definitely a number of people saying like, oh, liberal women are way hotter and you conservative men are too rigid and things like this.
00:32:31.800The concept that social strife is driven by the inequality in looks among individuals of the species, looks and thus proper sexualization leads to productive societies, unattractive looks leads to aggressive social failure and or overcompensation through toxic displays of masculinity among men.
00:32:49.880While among women, it leads to aggressive politics and promoting social discord.
00:32:54.780Bio-Leninism oftentimes gets confused with communism when, in fact, modern day Bio-Leninists, with their disruptive, unaesthetic appearances, simply co-opt communism as a way to express their discontent with their genetic ostracization.
00:33:09.060So basically that's what you're saying, Blake, is that they're co-opting the system as a way to deal with their inability to achieve status.
00:33:16.140Yes, and I think the original blog post gets more into it beyond just, like, you know, innate appearance.
00:33:23.560It's that there's obviously a lot of people who become, like, very repulsive because they're, you know, they're very delusional or they're very mentally unwell.
00:33:30.880And the system actually encourages this because if you expand the number of people who are very mentally unwell and who are dependent on the system to give them any status, any economic standing whatsoever, they'll be more loyal to it.
00:33:45.920And I don't know that it's that this is deliberate that anyone designed this, but I think there is an argument to be made that this dynamic does prop the system up.
00:33:55.020Like, we have a lot of people who need the current system of, like, mass censorship, mass, like, ideological control because, like, for example, with transgender people, that's the only system that keeps everyone from going, like, wait a minute, you're a crazy person in a dress.
00:34:08.960And, you know, Sam Brinton really needs this system to have everyone to have ever have a chance of any news article calling him a hero and not this creep who is clearly stealing women's clothes for apparently like a decade.
00:34:24.880Well, I mean, I get really pretty basic about this.
00:34:27.820My buddy gave me this expression, a liberal, mind you.
00:34:31.640He said that hipsters are just ugly people trying to look cool.
00:34:36.620And that, to me, basically sums it up.
00:34:39.340It's like whenever you see somebody that is intentionally looking grungy with holes everywhere and they're trying to look hard and they're trying to look, you know, progressive.
00:34:48.320I mean, I think it's, you know, I'm not saying all hipsters are ugly.
00:35:08.720We don't even realize how much we're captive to this and how much we play along with it.
00:35:12.460I think half of the conservative battle in the last like three or four years has been waking up to the fact that we're all being subjugated by this word game,
00:35:21.440by this ideological premise that we just basically have to reject.
00:35:25.220Like, Charlie, you tweeted something actually about you said it was assigned at birth.
00:35:30.000This has become a thing that we've just like agreed to lately, that we're assigned at birth.
01:08:45.960It's like you can you can do it now and you'll risk being caught in the crossfire or you can, you know, have her work for you.
01:08:53.200So in five years from now, your entire company will implode.
01:08:55.720Yeah, she's taken over the HR department.
01:08:57.180She's taken over the HR department, holding like a clipboard, looking at you very angrily after, you know, you violated subsection B of provision five.
01:09:05.100And, you know, now you have the Department of Labor all up in your grill.
01:09:10.420And so what's most depressing, Jack, about this now that you're catching up to the real news that the Charlie Kirk show covers, you forget all this submarine stuff.
01:09:38.440Well, again, you know, this is one of those things where with every viral video, I always have a you know, the first question I always ask is show me what happened 30 seconds before.
01:09:48.560So they're saying it had something to do with the pronunciation of the names.
01:09:57.400How often do you think that people have gotten my last name, my Polish last name, Posobiec, as we say in English, in Popolsku Posobiec, that, you know, people in the Anglosphere get it right.
01:10:09.460Yeah, I've never flipped out or like lost my mind because somebody got my name wrong, which literally happens on a daily basis.
01:10:16.400We were just talking about people being polite, people having manners, people being respectful.
01:10:22.500That's not how you act in a civilized society.
01:10:26.240This is the same type of fatherless behavior that we've seen across the country that TikTok and these other social media platforms, by and large, if you're on the left, it incentivizes them.
01:10:37.080It incentivizes them through dopamine rushes.
01:10:38.980It incentivizes them through likes and retweets and shares is the same type of people who were cheering for the ocean because there were a bunch of white rich people as well as Pakistani rich people.
01:12:00.280In fact, the entire, the study they used, which is one, I don't know if it's an update on it, but it's one I've seen before in other contexts.
01:12:07.300And what the study will be is it'll say, you know, if you take black fathers who are in the home, so we're going to, they move past that and they just take the subset that are around, they'll say these fathers are more likely to have played with their child, to have shared a meal with their child, to have helped address, you know, do various household things with the child compared to white fathers or Hispanic fathers.
01:12:32.900And as I will not be remotely the first person to point out, the, you know, subtext of that is they're probably less likely to be employed than fathers in other households.
01:12:44.600And so they're more likely to be around to assist with those things.
01:12:48.340But what they got fact-checked for on Twitter is, you know, even before that, it's just that if you actually check the facts, do we have that?
01:15:22.140Having us be able to say what we want to say on Twitter on any one of these issues, on the Pride stuff, on the Groomer stuff, on the Target stuff, on the Dylan Mulvaney stuff,
01:15:31.300having Matt Walsh be able to say whatever he wants, be able to put what is a woman up there, Jordan Peterson, be able to talk about any one of these issues.
01:15:39.580Blake, that moves the Overton window massively.
01:16:26.400And there's so many things on the left that do require that, like, very oppressive level of thought control, whether you're, you know, I mean, even this topic on the Father's Day thing.
01:16:37.440It's like you can just look up the data and it's transparent that what the reality is.
01:16:41.980And you can only get away with the sort of, like, crap that CNN is putting, pushing with this story if you're basically, if you have unlimited propaganda power.
01:16:53.980Why are blacks more likely to abandon the women they impregnate?
01:16:58.980Well, I think that when you look at something like this, you know, I think there's a thought crime there where you could say, you know, you know, people will expect you to say, like, oh, you know, there's there's it's related to intelligence or it's socially incorporated, et cetera.
01:17:14.920But, you know, I would actually push back a little bit, I guess, on the sort of conservative orthodoxy to this and just say, because there's a lot of conservatives will just say, like, oh, well, if you just bring the fathers around, if you force the fathers to be together, if you force child support, if you force all these different things, then you're just going to solve all the problems in the community.
01:17:32.640You're going to you're going to work everything out.
01:17:35.600And unfortunately, you know, these these are more complicated problems.
01:17:39.460And it's not like the libs want to say, oh, it's just poverty or, oh, it's just root causes.
01:17:43.260You know, I think that by and large, a huge part of this is because what we went through in the 1960s in this country with pushing, pushing for these cities to become what they are today, just completely dilapidated, completely devastated by crime.
01:18:01.120And so many of these societies and then telling telling a lot of people, a lot of people that it's it's your you're racist for wanting to say something about it.
01:18:10.780And so what you had was middle class families completely and they call it white flight, just moved out.
01:18:15.820That's why the United States has suburbs and no other industrialized country really lives that way.
01:18:37.520And yet the 1960s were marred with insane amounts of violence, bombings and riots, race riots throughout every major station that left assassinations of political leaders, a U.S.
01:18:51.500president's brother who was running for president at the time, whose son is now running for president, obviously.
01:18:56.680So when you look back at the 1960s as the start of this sort of massive social upheaval and social revolution in the United States away from the norm, I think that a lot of the problems that we see now go back to that era and the excesses of it that we like aren't even allowed to talk about anymore.
01:21:15.600And there was some dissenters, I will say.
01:21:17.500And Blake will know more about that than I were at the time.
01:21:19.700There was dissenters, but they were basically pushed to the side.
01:21:22.280And what you realize is that Johnson used the assassination of JFK and the nations in mourning.
01:21:29.620And he basically weaponized the the trauma that the nation was under.
01:21:35.720And he said, JFK would have wanted this.
01:21:37.860He was working on this civil rights bill.
01:21:40.420The problem is that JFK was working on like a very narrowly tailored civil rights bill that would have probably addressed some legitimate things.
01:21:47.780Johnson expanded it massively, in part to win over the black vote.
01:21:54.080And he used it to shred the Constitution.
01:21:57.340It wasn't even what people wanted at the time, which is the most powerful part of Caldwell's book.
01:22:02.780Approval polls did not want a civil rights act this wide ranging, did not want this permanent standing army bureaucracy, did not want to have all that.
01:22:12.800Truthfully, that's not even in, one of the craziest things about it is that's not in the bill.
01:22:17.480Like, so the Civil Rights Act of 1964 says you can't discriminate based on race.
01:22:24.060And what we got is over about, you know, the next, it expands slowly over time.
01:22:29.080But basically over the next decade, you get the Supreme Court and other courts and the federal bureaucracy going like, yeah, the law says that you can't discriminate based on race.
01:22:38.880But actually, actually, if you understand the true intent of the law, it requires, it requires discrimination based on race.
01:22:47.720So now we literally, in less than a decade, went from no discrimination based on race to you explicitly have to weigh race in hiring people in, you know, countless convoluted ways.
01:23:00.420But Blake, you brought up the fact that it wasn't even popular then.
01:23:49.600I can't remember the other states off the top of my head.
01:23:53.220But we have like eight or nine different states that have had an up or down vote on racial preferences, whether it's in school admissions or in hiring or in other government programs.
01:24:04.580And so what's, here's a fact, since the Civil Rights Act passed, I think that it's fair to say any sort of racist sentiments that are in America have gone, at least individually amongst white people, towards black people have gone away almost to the way or the other extent where now there's like white guilt, overcompensating guilt.
01:24:21.820But according to Nicole Hannah-Jones and Ibram X. Kendi and others, is that black America has not materially improved since the Civil Rights Act.
01:24:40.680No, the point that I wanted to bring up, though, and this is something that I think conservatives totally overlook, is that, and Andrew, you alluded to it, but you said, well, you know, there are people who opposed it.
01:25:36.760The point is the left has been willing to enact or enforce, I should say, these policies through force.
01:25:45.040While the right will sit there and say, oh, well, you know, we just all want to get along and we all want to play by the standards.
01:25:49.880And that's why the Overton window continues to always move to the left.
01:25:55.120And so when we look at this kind of stuff, we say, look, you know, these are the same, by the way, the same types of policies to get back to, I think, where we started on all this.
01:26:04.380When we're talking about the transgender movement, we're talking about LGBT, they're using the exact same arguments that were born into U.S. law, not through the Constitution, but through the Civil Rights Act.
01:26:17.760That's when the social stratification started.
01:26:21.100And it's also where you just get every single law.
01:26:23.460Like why we currently have it as federal law, thanks to a Supreme Court ruling, that you can't discriminate based on transgenderism or gender identity in hiring.
01:26:32.340And it turns out, big secret was in 1964, when Congress said, you can't discriminate in employment based on sex, they also included transgenderism.
01:26:41.260Even though I looked it up, the word transgender was not invented until a year after this bill was passed.
01:26:48.060But Congress totally voted to do it anyway.
01:27:34.320And you guys can catch us every week at 8 p.m. Eastern.
01:27:39.000You also can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, as you watch it.
01:27:42.740We never got a good answer on the thought crime question, Jack.
01:27:45.560But I guess we'll just leave it to the audience.
01:27:47.820Why is it that 65% of black men abandon the women they impregnate?
01:27:53.020That's a question that would be really interesting to have an answer from our audience, I mean from CNN, but I don't think they're willing to even ask the question.