THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 20 — Bootgate？ Is Halloween Dead？ Which Islam is Correct？
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1 hour and 9 minutes
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Summary
The greatest political scandal ever. Bigger than Watergate and Teapot Dome, which is otherwise known as Bootgate, is the story of Ron DeSantis wearing cowboy boots on Bill Maher's show and the controversy surrounding his height.
Transcript
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DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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No use in suspense, the greatest political scandal ever.
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Bigger than Watergate and Teapot Dome, which is otherwise known as Bootgate.
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I want to play the tape, Jack, and we'll just set it up.
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Okay, Patrick Bett David, who is an American legend,
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he had a very good interview with Ron DeSantis.
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Actually, DeSantis was doing, I think, very well.
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I'm sure your marketing team points out how they're trying to troll you in the marketplace.
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I know you were on, what do you call it, on, what was it, Bill Maher,
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Okay, what they're trying to say with this is that in your boots, you have heels.
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Those are just standard, off-the-rack, Lucchese.
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Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes?
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So the greatest and most important political scandal of this, really, of this or any historical
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You thought all the uranium won, you know, all of it, Benghazi.
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Oh, of course, you know, I see some folks in the chat are already saying 9-11, which Bush
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You know, I see people in the chat saying that.
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I, you know, I don't know if I'm prepared to go there, but, but I am saying this is rough.
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You know, it really started hard to say exactly when Bootgate started, but certainly there
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was, you know, there was a, you know, a precursor to Bootgate of Bootgate 1.0.
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So there's actually a two part section to Bootgate because Bootgate began with the original
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white boots that, I think it was Hurricane Ian, that he was wearing that kind of looked
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like the boots that the green M&M wears, where they do the M&M's commercials on the, like
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This is the, his origin story, almost like a Marvel hero, if you will, where then he said,
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okay, I'll never wear those again, but I'm going to wear cowboy boots.
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And the cowboy boots laid, led people to start questioning things about the height of Governor
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DeSantis, as well as people who have conducted events with Governor DeSantis.
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I'm sure most of the people on this, uh, on the show have met Governor DeSantis at one
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And we've noticed that his height seems to kind of fluctuate in a way that, you know, a,
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a, a, a normal person's height just, just doesn't.
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And then there was the way he was sitting with these boots on the Bill Maher show.
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Uh, you can see his height here in tennis shoes with, uh, Bill Malugan from Fox where actually
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the he's, excuse me, Bill is wearing tennis shoes in this picture.
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Whereas DeSantis even, and I don't know if we can zoom in and enhance folks back in the,
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uh, yeah, the CSI thought crime, uh, lab there, but actually those boots as well that he's
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wearing do contain fake heels, uh, Bill Malugan, by the way, who, uh, through a thought crime
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investigation, our investigatory team found, uh, is actually about six, four.
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That's why he's easily able to wear tennis shoes like that and tower over just about anybody.
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The problem is if someone were actually five 11, that's not what they would look like
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if they were standing next to someone who was six.
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Can we just take a second, go back to that image.
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The, the pigeon toed stance is something that we've identified through mimology of Governor
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DeSantis that goes really back all the way until when he was a, a congressman, it goes
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back to the time where he first ran for office.
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Uh, this stance you will find in numerous instances.
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So there was an issue by the way, as well, where Ashley St. Clair, who is at Babylon B did
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a Tik TOK video, making fun of the boots and just kind of like a silly boot video of herself
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And, uh, the DeSantis campaign responded to her.
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They make jokes for a living over there in case anyone doesn't know that by now.
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It's, it's, it's literally what they're paid to do.
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Um, but the DeSantis campaign launched a, a very strong attack on the Babylon B and Ashley
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St. Clair for making this, again, satirical video.
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Um, this all leads to Patrick, but David asking this question.
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I have, I have about 500 of these memes, um, at this point in my, in my phone.
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Um, then, then it, it just got to the point where it started blowing up and, uh, I launched
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Uh, many people then guided on this and hashtag boot gate, believe it or not, became the number
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So we couldn't beat, couldn't unseat happy Halloween on Halloween day itself.
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But number two, I'm going to say that's basically number one, because, you know, you're never
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going to beat a holiday hashtag on a holiday, but we were, we were basically number one.
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The memes were flying, people were screaming and, and Andrew, I want to, I want to throw
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something else out there as well, because this is something that, um, that really speaks
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to the heart of it, because there were people who were claiming that I was making fun of
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his height or that any of us were making fun of his height.
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And I wanted to point this out for, just to be very clear for people, we're not making
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We're making fun of the fact that he's obviously lying about it and he's lying to everyone about
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Have you ever met someone who says they're 5'11"?
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Just in all seriousness, have you ever met someone who says that?
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When people ask me how tall I am, I kind of say, I don't know.
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I'm like, I guess I'm, I mean, once you kind of hit 6'2", like an actual 6'2", 6'3",
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It's like height is not part of your identity, right?
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Oh, well, yeah, it's your identity, but it's not something you consciously think about all
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And by the way, so Ron DeSantis is offered a gift.
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And instead of, like, playing along, this is, of the whole, it's cursed energy, cursed
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All right, I have to say, the whole part of the tape, this is what bothered me the most.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, play it, play it, play it, play it, play it.
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Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes?
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I'd love for you to wear, okay, I shop at Fergamo.
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No, I mean, but, you know, it would have been funny if DeSantis was like, what, he got a
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I think that was the hard part to watch about it, because I think of us four on this show
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right now, I might have been the most enthusiastic about DeSantis.
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I was always Trump, but I wanted, my heart went out to him, especially at the beginning.
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But it's so hard to watch this, because you know that that's essentially an admission
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that he is putting heels in his boots, because you could see the sweat, like, beads forming
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on his forehead, going, if I take these off, he'll know that, you know, I actually do have
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And so he instantly went to this almost, like, autistic response.
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Even just the bad energy in his voice as he interrupts, I can't accept it.
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Just, you could, one, if Donald Trump was presented, let's just imagine an alternate
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universe where Trump is getting offered the same thing.
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But two, even if you were, he was for whatever reason constrained to say the same thing, he
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He would say, like, you know, Patrick, you know, like you said, you got the gold bars
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I have a shoe store that is worth more than Ron DeSantis's.
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But I mean, so there's many layers here, right?
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So, Jack, I know you want to continue to emphasize the cover-up of the height.
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No, and it's not just the cover-up of the height, but to your point about the, you know,
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the rudeness here that when you come from Eastern cultures, to offer someone a gift is one of
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the, it's one of the highest signs of generosity.
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And quite possibly the rudest thing that you could do is to publicly reject a gift from
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And even if, which by the way, I'm pretty sure I've seen Ron DeSantis accept gifts before
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in public and people have found, you know, pictures of him doing so.
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But it's also, it's also like millions of people are watching.
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I mean, like you, you could have been like, thanks, Patrick.
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And I actually pulled up the ethics, you know, code and it says, you know, accepting gifts
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in understanding of it influencing government policy.
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That's, that's exactly what he can, we can't have Christmas.
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We, we, we, we really think that there's going to be an ethics investigation launched
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into Ron DeSantis over Ferragamo's given on a live stream.
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You could have just, you could have just like, you just could have just like, yeah, thanks,
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And then afterwards be like, Patrick, I appreciate the gesture.
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And I like, it's also, by the way, I don't do gifts.
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It's like, have you never been on, like, have you never seen a podcast, bro?
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Like he's obviously trying to do a bit on a podcast where it's Ron DeSantis wearing
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Ferragamo's and then like, that's like, he's trying to, it was, here's the real thing
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Well, it's also that if DeSantis took off his shoes and showed he wasn't wearing, you know,
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lifts and put on the Ferragamo's, he could have just ended the whole thing.
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He took off the shoes and reveals he's also standing on stilts.
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It reveals he's just three, he's just three children in a suit.
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Three eight-year-olds all stacked on top of each other, like the, you know, like Donald
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So I had an opportunity, I had an opportunity to sit down with someone close to the DeSantis
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campaign recently and it was a very candid conversation.
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And I said, you guys do realize you are sort of a running joke right now in conservative
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They said, we have a whole, you know, we spend a lot of money.
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They said, we spend a lot of money every month.
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They're like, we spend a lot of money and people love us.
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And the influencer, I was like, look, guys, I, I don't, I'm actually trying to help you
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I know the bit like, meaning that they're like, and, but with what they were referencing
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is, you know, that piece that showed that, you know, DeSantis waged war online and lost.
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They thought it was like a great piece that like, you know, they're fighting the meme
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war and that there's going to be, Blake, just as objectively as you could take, is DeSantis winning
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I was like, who's worse, Israel or Braun DeSantis?
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You know, it's, I'm, I'm like, you know, I'm like Andrew.
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I kind of, you know, broadly speaking, like you, I like you.
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I like, I've always said kind things about him.
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I like, essentially, a lot of, I like a lot of aspects of his governing style, but, you
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know, politics is as much about narratives and vibe.
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And there's this, just, there's a very doomed vibe over the entire DeSantis operation.
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If you, you know, people want to follow people who have the right energy, who have that leadership,
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And what we've seen over the last, uh, over the last six, eight, 10 months is the DeSantis
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It would be very difficult to turn it around right now.
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And, you know, I hear a lot of people say like, oh, he needs to get out and save himself for
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At this point, it's like, he has to get out so that we can make sure that Florida still
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Well, now this has launched a big investigation.
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Have we ever seen Ron DeSantis and Jose Altuve?
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Did you guys see there were people actually counting the steps because they were saying,
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okay, it's 90 feet from, uh, home plate to first base.
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And so if Ron DeSantis is stride is usually about three feet, how many steps does it take
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to get, you know, from one of the, and people are counting.
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It was about 24, by the way, most people are saying 24, but I actually know a guy who is,
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you know, a fan of the show, fan of, uh, thought crime and human events.
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And I said, who, uh, was, is a former MLB scout is one of these guys who would go all
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around the world, you know, scouting high schools, et cetera, um, for, for players.
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And so someone who I knew could probably watch a piece of baseball footage and see somebody
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and look at the strike box and, and kind of know what it's on strike box.
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Um, that, that it was basically like, not, you know, knees to shoulders, et cetera, where
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And that's why I showed it to him two seconds later, he goes five, nine, five, nine.
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Remember in the chat, when I saw that, when I saw that clip, I said, you know, and him
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at the same time, you know, it's so funny as, as someone who is on the verge of being
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freakishly tall, this actually doesn't bother me.
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You know, who it bothers the most is short people.
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That's who I've actually seen the most outrage from is they're like, no, you should suffer
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with the rest of us and not fake your way to it.
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I mean, it is a question of morality and, you know, we're getting into really lurid topics
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here because, you know, what, what are the worst atrocities we've ever seen?
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You know, Edward Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, he killed a girl.
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Uh, you know, we had Watergate, we've had, you know, 9-11, which Bush did, killed all
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And I think if you took all of those scandals combined, you would maybe be at one, you
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know, one 10th of the moral atrocity that Ron DeSantis faking his height is, uh, maybe
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it might be, it might be better to round to one 100th.
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This is probably the worst scandal to ever happen in the history of the human species.
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I mean, none of those were disqualifying Blake, but this actually could be the nail in the
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coffin for, uh, but it's the lack of, Andrew explain how his team doesn't get this.
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I mean, without, without getting, I, I, yeah, I want to put all the like caveats that like
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We, we, we keep our conversations with the campaigns, you know, mostly private unless,
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The essence of it is that it was like, wait, what do you mean?
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And, and, and, and Jack actually knows this better than, than anybody.
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Actually, you were really reserved with Ron DeSantis at first.
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I remember it was that you and I were chatting a lot offline about it, but you know, some of
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the stuff that was coming out and how we were going to approach it publicly, how we're going
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And, and you were really reserved, but then it just got to a point where I remember you
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It was like the absolute insufferability of a DeSantis influencer online.
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I don't, you know, it's so impossible to stay on the sidelines and deal with these people
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They just got so unhinged that it, it, it forced everybody into these, into these corners.
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And what the DeSantis camp doesn't understand is that their influencers are not influencing
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anybody to do anything except run as far away from that guy as they can.
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And you got like this Bill Mitchell guy who, who literally doesn't let anybody reply in
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his comments except approved followers because he's gotten so badly trolled.
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These people do more harm to the DeSantis campaign than they, they have any idea.
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And we tried to tell them, we tried to tell them you're getting cornered into this, you
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You're getting cornered into this like nerd dork box.
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And when I saw this story break boot gate, I was like, there's nothing we could do for
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I genuinely don't know that you can save him for 2028, let alone to Blake's point.
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If, you know, if we got to start worrying about Florida now.
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So there's, there's a couple of things going on with this, right?
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Number one, it's, it's the reason why the meme works.
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And, and this is like, I'll, you know, kind of peel back the veil a little bit on, on why
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Um, first is, as you guys have all said that it's because they, they can't, uh, allow this
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They try to, uh, put community notes on the memes.
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They kind of, they attack the people for posting the memes.
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And so then that forces you to double down on it.
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That forces, that makes you want to continue it.
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And, and again, it's because they won't even lean into it and joke like other people that,
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you know, like, uh, Steve Bannon, for example, isn't like super tall or anything.
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Uh, Senator Rand Paul is, I would say he was, he's shorter than average.
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Um, but nobody cares because he just sort of like wears it and owns it and does his thing
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and he does great work and we all love Senator Paul and it's just a thing, right?
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Nobody, he doesn't make it a thing himself with DeSantis because he's so insecure about
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And this is something that, um, Charlie, I'm sure you remember that Patrick, that
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David had actually said a couple of months ago about Ron DeSantis.
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And it was interesting to me that Patrick, but David was the one who had identified this
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because I wondered if that played into him then sort of having this, obviously making
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the decision as anybody does as an interviewer of what you're going to play, what you're,
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what topics you're going to bring up because Patrick, but David had said that Ron DeSantis
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seems like the kind of guy who's structured his entire life about being terrified of,
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Like the kind of guy who tries to get a perfect score on his SATs, who tries to do everything
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perfect, but who will say, Oh, well I, and this is, you know, Patrick, but David, and I'm
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Well, I can't punch that guy in the face because then this, this, this would happen.
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I might run for office one day and that might come back at me.
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And it just becomes so insecure and so terrified of ever breaking a rule that it leads you down
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these paths where if you're confronted with something that isn't within those, you know,
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uh, those set lines, if you're not coloring within the lines that they just completely
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And that's exactly what he did when DeSantis was on.
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I'm not saying that he intended to do that, but I do find it interesting that that's how
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The other piece of this is why does boot gate matter so much?
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Because when you play on this specific thing, something like a person's physical stature,
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And in this case, what it really is, is a sexual humiliation.
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And when I say that it's because we're showing that this is someone who's insecure.
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This is someone who feels like he can't defend himself.
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This is someone who's worried about being able to defend his family, defend his immediate
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And so when you sexually humiliate somebody, that is something that nobody can come back
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This is why the rise of the word cuck and the term cuckervative, which is the full term
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Cuckervative became so, um, so prevalent online in 2015 and 2016.
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It's because we would be going around to these people like Paul Ryan, like Mitt Romney, and
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It wasn't that we were saying that you're not a conservative.
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We're saying that you are a wuss, that you're low T, that you're low energy.
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You don't have the ability to back up anything that it is that you're saying.
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And interestingly enough, um, these are the same people who also seem to push for war.
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These are the same people who use appeals to authority, et cetera, et cetera.
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This gets into the, you know, the weak men, uh, hard times sort of fourth turning cycle.
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And so when you're painting somebody with that brush and then you have successfully painted
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them with that brush of a sexual humiliation, that's really something that becomes very,
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So, I mean, I, I, I want to, if he just comes across in that podcast as somebody insecure,
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And that's a hard thing to shake once that is the, the vibe that people receive, right.
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It's hard and it's just, it's totally incompatible with being a president of the United
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I don't think we've had a variety of personalities become president, but I don't know that we've
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ever had a profoundly insecure person become president.
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Cause it's just how, how does that come to pass?
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Well, it's, it's also that it's just such a misunderstanding for their team to think they're
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I'm not, I'm by no means an expert, but I'm an, I'm, I'm enough where I can see who's
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winning and losing in meme culture and who's actual, who gets it and who doesn't Jack,
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you're going to have to, Jack, you have to call for the tape.
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I refuse or Andrew, if you really want to play this, but this is just one of hundreds
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It's one 14 and, um, you know, let's just go for it.
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I feel a lot more freedom, a lot more empowered when I don't let my clothes show my gender
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They make me feel like I'm riding hard and nobody knows just how tiny I am.
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It's from the great C3B meme from the great C3B meme.
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And, and again, it's, it's, it speaks to sexual insecurity.
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And there's something about Ron DeSantis that's always given off an air of insecurity.
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Uh, it's something that if you're, if you're, you know, conducting a meme campaign, or if you're
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just involved in politics, marketing, you identify these things, you, you size them up.
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And so, you know, looking at a guy that that's clearly that uptight, that insecure, you would
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obviously want to, you know, go through all of these things.
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And, and by the way, like I want to explain to people that this isn't something that just
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This is something that the meme warriors have been focused on and have been researching
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for really months when it comes to Ron DeSantis.
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This is something, uh, where people have in, in, and I'm, I'm in hundreds of chat rooms
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where people are talking about these chat groups, just all, all areas of the night.
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Posted this one from the courtroom of, uh, that's Ron DeSantis and, uh, his, his, the,
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the state of Italy, the country of Italy has become his, um, his boots, his, his, his high
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That's actually one where, uh, Brent, the guy who made it, actually, that's his body.
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He went and took a picture of himself standing at that angle.
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So it would perfectly fit with the boot of Italy.
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And, and again, this is something where, and Andrew and to the rest, like, you know, we
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explained to them what would happen a year ago, that, that all of this would come to pass
00:27:04.660
if they decided to take a run at Trump and that this was, was always in the cards.
00:27:15.200
Number two trending on X was covered on all of the mainstream media networks.
00:27:20.080
Um, the liberals were covering it, the conservatives were covering it, every article it's all over
00:27:27.760
And we're playing that video earlier where he's just walking very awkwardly in his boots.
00:27:31.200
And, um, I, I think this is just something where it's become sort of a forever label that
00:27:40.320
The AI, that AI clip, I'm just thinking how that's going to totally revolutionize politics.
00:27:48.500
Like how much stronger is it going to be in a year where it's going to totally fool people
00:27:54.780
Like there's a lot of old voters who they already struggle with text articles.
00:27:58.420
Like you've seen the emails we get where it's like, people say, Charlie, did you hear Katie
00:28:06.000
Now imagine we have video clips where it's, you know, we have the scene and Donald Trump
00:28:12.440
And it also makes me wonder, will Donald Trump be the GOP nominee forever?
00:28:17.120
Because even after he's sadly departed this world, people won't accept that he's dead.
00:28:30.580
He's probably the most AI-able person in the world.
00:28:39.100
It's because it plays into all of the little whisper, rumor mill stuff that was already circulating
00:28:51.420
That all the local politicians, I mean, when you have all of Florida, basically, and just
00:28:56.200
breaking this week is Rick Scott has now endorsed President Trump for 2024.
00:29:02.580
When you have all of Florida that's supposed to know you best, say, and I think Stube,
00:29:07.780
Congressman Stube said that, you know, he never heard from Ron DeSantis before he was
00:29:14.840
And, you know, so he just said, hey, if you're not going to call me, I'm going with, yeah.
00:29:21.000
So you have all of these things that we hear about and everybody's kind of whispering about
00:29:34.160
I'm just saying people, people, people, this is what everybody just says.
00:29:37.460
By the way, by the way, I can, I can, yeah, go ahead.
00:29:40.420
Andrew, and I'll just say this because you and I had this conversation, was it October?
00:29:47.180
You and I had this conversation about DeSantis.
00:29:49.200
And I said at the time, what he needs to do is very clear, is you need to lean into it.
00:29:56.260
Drop the Florida guy act because it's clearly not working.
00:30:01.440
Go, go change your uniform, change your stripes.
00:30:05.880
And do you remember when, when Bill Maher gave him this, this shout out the one time
00:30:10.160
and said, you know, something that's interesting about Ron DeSantis, that he actually reads,
00:30:13.580
he understands the data, he understands COVID, he understands vaccines.
00:30:16.260
And, and people were really talking about that.
00:30:18.140
You lean in on the Ron DeSantis is a wonky, you know, maybe a little bit awkward, but nerdy
00:30:27.520
And so I would have, I said, drop the boots, uh, drop the vests.
00:30:33.120
He's got to keep the boots because he's, he's already.
00:30:35.880
He's leaning forward because, uh, but, um, you, you, and honestly, what I said, the best
00:30:42.680
thing that he could do is just put a pair of glasses on him, literally just put a pair
00:30:48.060
They could just be the blue blockers or something.
00:30:49.580
And he will come across as, you know, kind of like more of a Blake and it's just more accurate to what
00:31:01.280
Is this a flaw of our modern political system though?
00:31:08.180
He's a good manager of the state of, well, yeah.
00:31:11.220
I mean, but it kind of, it makes me think, it makes me think back to when they first televised
00:31:18.420
And Richard Nixon looked all sweaty and gross and JFK came off well.
00:31:23.960
I mean, it's sort of the modern iteration of that.
00:31:26.160
And you, you have a situation here where you've got a guy that, yeah, he's pretty nerdy.
00:31:40.560
But in our modern system, that is de-emphasized as opposed to the fact that he's just a dork
00:31:55.000
Blake, to his credit, was the only one in the voice.
00:31:56.940
He said, by the fall, post-Labor Day, everyone in the MAGA movement will hate and make fun of
00:32:02.980
And Blake saw forth a prophecy of the collapse of Ronnie D.
00:32:17.500
By the way, this clip is really driving people insane.
00:32:21.800
And whenever there is a micro video that sometimes confirms a macro suspicion, people lose their
00:33:00.000
okay so jack for on podcasting describe what we just saw so what you're seeing is a it starts out
00:33:15.760
as a sort of typical halloween night uh kids are going and by the way this is we we have now video
00:33:21.840
of trick-or-treating because of the prevalence of you know ring cameras and home surveillance
00:33:27.100
systems that are that are just everywhere because we live in this uh we live in a high-tech low-trust
00:33:31.540
society now as opposed to a low-tech high-trust society which is a much larger conversation
00:33:36.440
and i hope we can get into but what you see in this video is a couple of kids out trick-or-treating
00:33:41.940
having a good time and then you have what appears to be some sort of third world uh migrant just
00:33:49.720
running up and essentially stealing all of the candy uh someone who's obviously far older than
00:33:56.540
the other kids were there or anyone who should be trick-or-treating at any uh serious age and is
00:34:01.980
obviously just out to steal candy and throw into a pillowcase so andrew you you did a fair amount of
00:34:08.500
trick-or-treating is this a foreigner thing or is this a built is this just a human nature thing
00:34:13.500
why did this video trigger so many people well i mean i have a couple things to say here first i want
00:34:20.980
to acknowledge that i myself was guilty of doing similar things when i was a kid when they would
00:34:28.180
put the sign out and say just one um i told i said that in the chat and everybody was like oh andrew
00:34:33.740
you gotta share that all right so okay i'm sharing that i but i never raided the whole bowl that is
00:34:38.960
out of line i maybe took like a handful but it's the parent involved that triggered people that's the
00:34:44.720
yeah but this this this clip uh this clip triggers me actually to use the expression the favorite
00:34:51.080
leftist expression in so many ways you've got the fact that they're speaking spanish that is
00:34:56.100
infuriating to the normal public i'm sorry but if you know it's funny charlie you tweeted about it
00:35:01.600
and then we got a bunch of media inquiries like how do you know that these are illegals and i was like
00:35:06.000
uh you know just based on odds you know we just had you know 10 million are going to come across
00:35:11.220
with biden there was always there was perpetually 11 million in the country to begin with uh but
00:35:15.900
besides that it doesn't matter if they're legal or illegal they're speaking spanish and it's that
00:35:19.760
that part is infuriating it really is because you probably got some normal american home saying hey take
00:35:26.220
one and they rate it they don't leave a single piece of candy so you got parents teaching their kids
00:35:32.840
speaking spanish rating a whole i mean there's a lot of candy in there and then some of them drop to
00:35:38.660
the floor charlie and they have to get those too so so not only like they are making sure they don't
00:35:45.440
leave any scrap behind and then and then this poor guy comes up behind him and looks in is like oh
00:35:51.720
there's none left like i don't think that guy was with them i i'm pretty sure the second guy wasn't
00:35:57.000
with them it was another trick-or-treater coming behind them saying you know looking for candy and it
00:36:01.600
was all gone because of this awful family so anyways i i think it's absolutely obnoxious
00:36:08.320
this clip by the way went so viral like everybody posted it uh and and everybody got it just it it
00:36:16.040
inflamed the public well it went it went viral for similar reasons why the floyd thing went viral
00:36:22.320
because people have a belief in their head of something they see that's happening macro and then
00:36:27.180
micro confirms it so what is it well they see foreigners coming in and leeching off our social
00:36:31.800
services and taking what is ours and it's being sponsored by the adults in the room not the kids
00:36:37.300
i think it's i think it's less the symbol and it's actually more the direct thing it's that
00:36:42.340
there are for me it was the symbol when you when you have high amounts of social trust and like
00:36:48.400
kind of a shame a guilt shame driven culture where you i i should say guilt versus shame honor shame
00:36:56.940
culture guilt honor that sort of thing where you have an internal locus of morality you won't do a
00:37:02.380
bad thing because you will feel terrible and then shame is the outward version of this that if you are
00:37:07.580
caught doing something bad you will feel terrible but if you can get away with it in secret it
00:37:12.620
essentially doesn't matter and so when you have guilt driven you can do things like just you leave out
00:37:19.160
a box and you say take one and they will only take one and if you have the right group of people
00:37:26.060
that can sustain itself and there's huge surpluses that come from that that is where how you get
00:37:30.760
the nicest countries yes countries where people follow the law even if you don't have a policeman
00:37:37.200
there who will catch you if you break the law even if no one is going to actually punish you
00:37:42.540
when you do it anyway that is what creates the nicest societies and they see people who have come
00:37:47.780
into here and they see that society going away and we know america had it so there's a great story
00:37:52.180
in one of my favorite books the book is called the book that built your world it's about the bible
00:37:56.040
it's written he's been on our show vishal mengelwalde and he's an indian guy grew up in india and he
00:38:00.560
went to a conference in the netherlands and it was a christian pastor's conference and a friend of
00:38:05.360
his said hey let's go to the countryside so they go to the dutch uh countryside and they're rolling
00:38:10.080
through the hills they pull over to the side of the street and there's a an area it's a dairy
00:38:13.960
country there right so they have an opportunity to go get some milk and so there's a milk stand
00:38:18.340
they are completely unattended and it says please take whatever milk you get and pay for it and vishal
00:38:24.220
being from india first time really coming to the west was fascinated by this and he asked the guy
00:38:28.600
with him and he said how does this work so go well you know we all trust each other we're all you know
00:38:33.340
homogenous you know homogenous and christians and we're all the same place and so you just take the
00:38:38.040
milk you like and you leave some money and he says is this not how it would work in india and vishal
00:38:42.080
says work in india it's like not only we would steal the milk steal the money and the cows
00:38:46.380
he's like this would never happen and that because india is a very low trust society right
00:38:51.400
a lot of caste system sectarianism tribalism and to him you know the netherlands at the time it's
00:38:56.420
probably changed a lot because of arab muslims it was this ideal high trust society that's the
00:39:02.480
equivalent right dairy milk stands on the side of the street in the rolling hills of holland
00:39:07.220
could you have that today well you can't have halloween candy out anymore without it getting pillaged
00:39:14.280
or plundered yeah so oh no i was just gonna say kind of just double tap what you were saying
00:39:21.260
blake earlier that um you know trick-or-treating is something that could only arise in a high trust
00:39:28.340
society with bonds of community with a locus of morality um and obviously internal locus of morality
00:39:35.780
not where you one where you've got like the you know the moral police running around all the time
00:39:40.420
you know that's that's trick-or-treating you know it's funny i was talking to my mom about this
00:39:43.740
because i said i wanted to bring it up as a as a topic i'm glad that we did and she was talking
00:39:49.280
about growing up in the 60s um and she was saying in the king of prussia pennsylvania area she was saying
00:39:56.740
when i was a kid i don't even remember my parents ever going with us when we trick-or-treated we all
00:40:01.680
just i'll just went out she's one of five and she said when we were little we would just go out
00:40:06.080
we we'd be out there as kids we run around we'd come back there was no question of of it being an
00:40:12.800
issue whatsoever whereas these days you know maybe you could say it's a little more awareness but i
00:40:17.720
think it's also this level of you know lack of trust in our societies that's why you're seeing uh
00:40:24.800
trunk retreats are kind of the new big thing a lot of churches do this other churches do like the
00:40:28.780
harvest festival which is really just like a halloween without um without the name um then you you know
00:40:35.600
you find these areas where they'll do that and then you can find certain neighborhoods that will
00:40:39.360
still do this and i but i would also point out in the clip that that's a pretty big porch that you're
00:40:44.860
looking at with a pretty long driveway it looks pretty nice i'm guessing that's that's on four or
00:40:50.560
five bedroom house you know that's not some small house that's an affluent neighborhood where so we're
00:40:56.100
talking ballpark of you know they've got a column right look at the column there on the on the porch
00:41:01.920
so you know this is a very well that that means also why it's being targeted yeah the foreigners
00:41:07.480
in their head were rationalizing they're rich we're not we're taking your candy it's probably
00:41:12.500
literally there was the lower like go here you'll get more candy yes of course obviously everyone's
00:41:17.340
big home we're getting we're getting our peace they rationalized the i don't want to say it's evil but
00:41:23.460
the immer that's an immoral act right that is that is not glorifying to goodness i wouldn't use the
00:41:28.600
word evil for that i think that's evil i think it's evil to do that in front of your kids fine
00:41:33.360
i i mean honestly fair enough i mean i just i'm i don't want to do a prager here but i'm going to
00:41:38.260
be careful not throwing out evil like frisbees now i do i want to you know on the thing about the
00:41:43.120
parents out with them and i want to even double back to obviously i don't know the specifics here
00:41:47.480
there's a million reasons it could be fine but i think if we imagine an idealized halloween this
00:41:53.160
wouldn't happen not just because people wouldn't steal but i think we are losing the social element that
00:41:57.580
you know you ring the doorbell you come to the door you see the costume you say hello to the
00:42:03.480
children you give them the candy and you know i think that actually is the ideal way to do it and
00:42:10.000
it should be preferred you want to create the sense of community it comes from the communal act of doing
00:42:15.840
this which is the children go around and one reason they can do this is because there are adults
00:42:20.980
everywhere who look out for people in your neighborhood and so what you're seeing here in
00:42:25.320
microcosm is the decline of neighborly communities that they're not engaging in the halloween thing
00:42:31.540
except for leaving out a thing of candy neighbors i mean are less and less of a thing uh at least
00:42:38.000
in in some i don't know andrew if you agree or not but at least in the type of neighborhood
00:42:43.080
connectedness that i grew up with is largely a foreign concept in a lot of suburban well i you know i
00:42:48.800
remember i always go back to a conversation you had i think it was with chris buzzkirk and you guys
00:42:53.840
were talking about some something similar and he said that the norms that he grew up with
00:43:01.320
just normal middle class american lifestyle is becoming more and more of a luxury
00:43:07.020
so you in order to achieve what what just was normal you know 30 40 years ago now you gotta now
00:43:14.760
you gotta be making like high six figures you gotta if you want that house i mean to jack's point i think
00:43:19.840
that looks pretty affluent so what i see happen a lot is that there's target neighborhoods that are
00:43:25.800
known for having good halloween and you know i live in california and it's like you know one
00:43:32.600
neighborhood is like the go-to spot maybe there's a couple spots and it's like you know it's not
00:43:37.620
uncommon to hear a lot of spanish uh going on and i think blake you made the observation in the chat
00:43:43.400
earlier you were like you know honestly mexicans really love halloween i'd maybe it's the dia de los
00:43:47.860
muertos thing or whatever but it it's one of those cultural things that translates very very easily
00:43:53.240
it's a bit of that but it's that really if you look at honestly probably the best trait about
00:43:59.380
mexican americans is they do love a lot of stuff people kind of liked about older like 80s 90s
00:44:05.880
america a lot of stuff that's kind of cheesy more i don't want to say lower class but very much uh
00:44:11.740
you know pro-coded normie coded like they love you know they love cartoons they love anime they
00:44:17.860
love monster trucks they love pro wrestling and they love a very classic celebration of classic
00:44:23.560
american holidays like machismo let's go let's go well yeah and like let's go do halloween let's do
00:44:28.680
christmas stuff let's go to the park and that's all great and i think we do have to say like it's bad
00:44:35.740
that we're losing that neighborhood character i do worry it might just be inevitable like why did
00:44:41.260
we have why do people have this memory of stronger neighborhoods well in the past we had a lot of
00:44:47.140
ethnic neighborhoods even with europeans you'd have your polish neighborhood your ukrainian neighborhood
00:44:52.220
your jewish neighborhood and those disappeared and some of that's because of urban decay in the 60s
00:44:57.580
you know they would do you know crime exploded so people fled cities but you know they they could
00:45:02.700
have fled and still tried to recreate those neighborhoods but they didn't we just sort of had
00:45:06.200
suburbs people mixed up more and so you lose things that used to be common in neighborhoods you used to
00:45:12.300
have a neighborhood where everyone went to the same church now you'll have a lot of churches but people
00:45:16.760
just go to different ones so you don't have the assumption that you are at the same church as the people
00:45:21.200
if they even go at all and you don't necessarily have the same overall background you some of this is
00:45:29.000
language but it's a lot of additional things and then just people are more mobile people move all
00:45:32.640
the time yep and it's sad we lost that i don't know if there's an easy way to recreate it without
00:45:39.660
giving up a lot of things that we've also gotten used to and taken for granted and then just
00:45:43.760
everyone's online now you you build online communities and such instead of having to be
00:45:49.360
engaged in your community to do anything tyler who's not present here but in the chat made one of
00:45:54.520
the smartest points let's replay the tape what's missing in this tape replay it don't say it out loud
00:45:59.560
let's see if anybody watching replay the tape guys what what's missing here
00:46:05.580
such a smart point it's such i mean it's the most obvious point jack did you see the chat or anybody
00:46:14.740
make jack don't look at the chat look at the video what's missing what's missing i think a lot of
00:46:25.760
things that are missing it's very obvious it's so obvious but it's it's like i missed it until it
00:46:32.220
was someone noticed it is that none of the kids are dressed up for halloween there's one one kid's
00:46:36.640
wearing a costume no no no look at that that one with the hood is that there's a hoodie and then
00:46:42.900
there's like a hoodie there's a kid one of the kid no no wait till he comes around again the kid in
00:46:46.960
yellow is in a woody costume sheriff woody that's yeah that's woody from toy story
00:46:50.680
there's some kids there woody would not do that that is defamation of sheriff also a father is
00:46:56.800
missing is the other thing that's obviously that that guy that's maybe olav from uh from uh frozen
00:47:02.480
no i think i think i think it's not the kids under the adult it's just cold like the adults should
00:47:08.320
have costumes too but i guess you know most a lot of adults should not wear costumes yeah they should
00:47:13.500
come on have fun with it saturday well we usually do like a family theme so we do like yeah you know
00:47:19.660
we did scooby-doo this year we did uh we did batman and like the batman villains last year we
00:47:25.300
did uh adam's family one year so he dressed up as ash ketchum and then the baby stroller was a giant
00:47:33.960
pokeball that's funny all right so we're losing halloween just like we're losing our country
00:47:39.780
but here's here's the good news guys i went i went trick-or-treating with my kids and it was
00:47:44.280
it was like a flashback to childhood it really was so i i think i think we can make the mistake
00:47:49.640
of saying that this stuff is everywhere and it's everything's going to hell all i we had a good
00:47:55.100
halloween i will say that we had a great halloween very safe lots of families great to see the young
00:47:59.580
kids running around so hopefully hopefully to your point charlie or blake you know we can sort of hold
00:48:06.640
on to some of these things and i also want to say harvest festivals have been going on for a long time
00:48:12.580
because christians are very skeptical about halloween in general so we did that actually on on sunday so we
00:48:19.140
did a big harvest uh festival at our at our church and then we went trick-or-treating on tuesday
00:48:24.240
okay blake set up this no kids thing because i had a breakthrough that i didn't mention with berenson
00:48:29.140
but said it all awesome awesome so uh we had alex berenson on the show the other day but this is all
00:48:34.660
because of a hugely viral thing on his sub stack you can bring it up on it's on my laptop here if you
00:48:38.980
want to show it uh he did a post on his unreported truths sub stack which is why are so many
00:48:45.040
adults in rich countries refusing to have kids and as he points out it's not just the united states
00:48:51.740
it's not just europe it's not just japan it's south korea is down to like 0.78 children per women so
00:48:58.600
your population will fall by two-thirds every generation it's uh china china is not even a very
00:49:03.840
rich country yet already down way down uh latin america it's low the middle east it's gotten really
00:49:10.280
low it's basically dropped essentially everywhere except large chunks of africa still have pretty
00:49:15.140
high fertility but everywhere else and and gaza and gaza and afghanistan afghanistan's very high
00:49:21.320
uh your median afghan was born after we invaded afghanistan 20 uh 22 years ago and so it's just
00:49:29.600
it's falling everywhere it's not just in rich countries it's uh even in relatively more religious
00:49:35.920
countries you still see it down like iran iran has low fertility uh it's just it's falling all over
00:49:42.880
the place and kind of the question is why because a lot of the things we would blame are factors in
00:49:48.420
some of these countries but not all of them and so it's a very big question why do people not have kids
00:49:56.660
jack what is i did a whole show on this uh what is your theory jack
00:50:01.520
so i think there's a correlation between and i actually i actually haven't read alex berenson's
00:50:10.420
piece on this um not that not that i'm any against alex berenson i think i'm the only guy who's read
00:50:15.340
all of his like fiction and non-fiction um but uh just having a chance to get to it even though i know
00:50:21.360
i did i was one of the guys who dropped it in the chat the first time that i i think there's a
00:50:26.160
correlation between having more disposable income more things to do in society more choices more
00:50:33.120
opportunity and basically a falling out of so the first correlation is that if there's a falling out
00:50:40.980
of religion and there's a falling out of uh that central focus that central focus of society central
00:50:47.140
moral core of religion as societies become more affluent they tend to become more secular we've seen
00:50:52.960
that around the world certainly we've seen that in europe uh we're facing that in the united states
00:50:56.820
um in asia you know it's kind of a jump ball because uh they're some of their religions aren't
00:51:02.040
like religion religions the way we would kind of classify them but that's a much longer story um
00:51:07.000
and because of that the sort of moral imperative to have children is sort of diminished or it's or it's
00:51:14.180
lost and so therefore you end up getting the situation where people think of kids as you know the more
00:51:20.840
money you have you start to think of do i want kids should i have kids how many kids do i have
00:51:25.320
whereas in you know previous times it might just be oh well you know we got married let's have kids
00:51:32.420
or oh we you know we uh we're not married let's have kids anyway you still do see these things going
00:51:38.420
on but the trend lines are there but i would just i guess i would say that within a country at the
00:51:43.700
different social levels um this is something that also plays a role as well but i you know i really
00:51:50.180
do think that on you know on on whole we're talking about those big halloween neighborhoods you know
00:51:56.180
those big neighborhoods where people want to go you know the the the full bar neighborhoods right
00:52:00.240
everybody knows where the full bar neighborhoods are um that's that yeah they they they tend to have
00:52:06.280
more dogs these days than they do kids yeah so i think part of it is it's just harder to have kids
00:52:12.820
because there's something in our food that is actively poisoning people's fertility uh that's
00:52:17.920
100 percent happening it's the food or the toxins or the air that's not the only thing you know going
00:52:23.400
off that wouldn't really count that wouldn't cover europe though well so like well i would say what
00:52:27.640
stands out to me go ahead guys like with catholics so there are catholics who basically say don't use
00:52:32.160
birth control and as as the pope says and so people who are catholic know families that have
00:52:37.380
quite a few kids sure but even there you know i think my grandparent my great grandparents had
00:52:42.740
i can't remember off the top of my head i think they had 10 plus kids even if you know traditional
00:52:47.960
catholic families who have a lot of kids they'll have seven kids or eight kids i don't know i've never
00:52:54.340
seen a family that had 10 11 12 very very and i'm not saying that used to be commonplace they used to be
00:52:59.700
common and i guess i'm not what i'm saying that means it's a cultural psychological it's i think
00:53:04.120
it's a bit cultural psychological but it might go towards the biological thing that even people
00:53:08.420
who are essentially saying we'll have as many kids as god decides to have us have they end up having
00:53:13.840
seven or eight instead of 12 there is there is something that is suppressing testosterone rates
00:53:18.420
i mean it just is it's true i don't know what it is yeah yeah blake just to just throw on that so
00:53:23.780
you know going to uh you know we have our kids in a catholic school and you know i'll i'll see
00:53:29.460
as the uh you know as the kids um you know as the families we drop our kids off in the morning
00:53:34.300
and yeah you see the minivans that you know that you're used to seeing but yeah it i haven't seen
00:53:39.360
anyone with like the huge brood of kids that i even i remember in the 80s 90s you know there would
00:53:45.680
always be a couple of families that were like six plus seven plus as you say i'm not seeing that as
00:53:52.300
much anymore yeah and so the definitely they're one of the roles is women are getting married later
00:53:59.220
and later i i think in the west i didn't talk about this berenson that's huge that's the amount
00:54:02.840
of the amount of young gay people plays a role we we didn't mention that with berenson but if you got
00:54:07.000
10 to 15 you got 20 of people that are gay you're not going to procreate right so that that but that
00:54:11.360
doesn't explain why even the monogamous couples are having less kids right that explains the macro
00:54:16.640
population collapse it doesn't explain why the actual family units are there and then again i
00:54:22.820
there's evidence that corn or other things are really having a lot of negative impacts on
00:54:27.760
testosterone rates and can block um can actually uh be andro what they call androcon endocrine
00:54:33.580
disruptors thank you that there's there's a lot of evidence to support that but it's it's deeper
00:54:37.860
than that because i mean countries that are largely um that have insulated food supplies that are
00:54:44.560
that are not as you know um let's just say into corporate farming as we are here where we are
00:54:50.840
food is trash in the west uh they they seem to also have i don't know if their testosterone rates are
00:54:55.980
low but their fertility fertility rates are low so andrew what what is it i mean this is a global
00:55:01.240
phenomenon outside of i think nigeria somalia and andrew as a theory and and blake i know certainly
00:55:09.180
does we'll get there second but andrew yeah i mean i've got three kids um i could tell you that
00:55:17.040
the fact that we even got to three was a like a it had to do with spiritual our faith
00:55:23.160
b it had to do with values um but see i really i really relate to people that are struggling with
00:55:31.460
whether or not they want to have kids now i am like a big champion of kids i'm trying to get
00:55:35.360
everybody knocked up and pregnant everyone all my married friends where i'm always like go for the
00:55:39.740
third go for the fourth um but i i think what's interesting and i forget who hit on this but as a
00:55:46.720
country gets a little bit more affluent it's that kind of lower middle class to middle class realm that
00:55:54.840
i think this is really affecting because once you get to the upper upper class they have enough money
00:55:59.860
to afford babysitting they have enough money to and and then it becomes like a status symbol right
00:56:05.140
where you want to have a lot of kids to because it's some sort of status thing but the the what
00:56:10.780
happens is i think we're more online we're more distracted the incentive structure's all off and
00:56:15.140
we're more secular so it's it the short-term payoff is you get to you know travel i mean our generation's
00:56:23.080
obsessed with experiences and traveling all these very selfish things that our parents were like hey we
00:56:28.640
thought of a vacation is like loading up the family wagon and going to yosemite now it's like
00:56:34.040
no we're gonna go to the south of france for three weeks and we're gonna work remote and yeah the kids
00:56:38.820
just don't really fit into that um and they're more online it's more social media more distracted
00:56:43.740
and i i think i think it's i think it's actually modernity as a whole has flipped the incentive
00:56:50.280
structure on its head so that a lot of people just aren't aren't uh incentivized i think it's for
00:56:55.600
different people different things though i don't think you could i don't think you could
00:56:59.140
i don't think you could name one or even two that's reasons why it's lower i think it's like
00:57:03.740
five or six yeah but that that blake blake has a theory because that doesn't usually if there's not
00:57:11.400
if there's not a one or two input explanation you simply usually don't see a global phenomenon is
00:57:16.280
that right blake is that i mean to see a global phenomenon that's this transcultural this
00:57:20.620
transcontinental this you know that transcends socioeconomic lines usually it takes i don't
00:57:26.000
know like a virus like covid to have data like that but what what's going on here in your opinion
00:57:31.000
i definitely agree that it's a lot of things i want to say when i've looked into it and researched it
00:57:36.620
the single most decisive one tends to be women's education when women get educated essentially on the
00:57:45.480
level of men that is when you start seeing fertility decline and i think that happens for a few reasons
00:57:50.500
it gives young women something to do besides get married they have greater uh they have greater
00:57:55.800
economic independence if they can work in the economy equally which means there's less economic
00:58:00.500
reason to get married even if you're otherwise not as inclined to do it um it means this is just
00:58:07.140
blunt it means they have more knowledge about how to prevent pregnancy uh in various ways
00:58:11.900
and all of these factors combined drives down fertility and you see accounts of this even in
00:58:18.840
relatively traditional cultures like um like india for example you'll have mothers in india who will
00:58:24.940
still encourage their daughters even if they promote you know arranged marriages even if they
00:58:29.840
promote having kids they still encourage them complete your education and so that's pushing the date
00:58:34.500
back and if you delay marriage by five years that's five years where you might have in the past had
00:58:39.700
two kids three kids those are wiped out you're starting later and you're giving people reasons they can
00:58:47.500
essentially be more selective in a spouse in the past women had very little economic independence
00:58:54.520
very little economic stability and they got that by getting married and this created upsides in
00:59:03.040
society but it did create a lot of downsides this does cause this did cause women to get married to
00:59:08.440
people they probably wouldn't have gotten married to otherwise to have kids they probably wouldn't
00:59:11.860
have had otherwise and there's upsides to them not having to do this but it is a big feeder in people
00:59:19.340
overall getting married less uh another thing i would note is it's actually it was actually
00:59:25.720
somewhat historically unusual in western society for everyone to get married in the past we were
00:59:31.820
very dependent on people who didn't marry having a ton of kids and you saw it a lot who would opt out i
00:59:37.520
mean if you think of like catholic societies the number of people who would become nuns the number
00:59:42.260
of people who'd become uh priests the number of people who just wouldn't marry for one reason or
00:59:47.140
another was actually pretty high and this is just offset by the people who do marry will have five
00:59:51.900
kids sick kids seven kids more uh now you're going back to a reality where you know people don't
00:59:57.760
become nuns and priests as much anymore but they become you know whatever people identify as these
01:00:03.860
days and they don't get married well it could it be though that modernity gives it gives something
01:00:09.280
else for men and women to aim for other than just child raising and child rearing does life expectancy
01:00:16.280
yes does life expectancy getting longer actually make you less like because you almost have a new life
01:00:22.580
after the kids become 20 right i know that might i'm just trying to understand what a global psychology
01:00:28.440
would be well we we definitely have the idea of a career i don't think that if you are a farmer in
01:00:34.680
the 1800s you think like i'm going to not have kids because i want to be really focused on my
01:00:39.420
agriculture career no that's what i'm saying that's why you would have eight or nine that was your
01:00:42.440
wealth that the eight or nine kids your wealth it was also just what was done the idea was i mean
01:00:47.080
people have a pretty natural drive two out of eight would die too yeah they would die and so
01:00:52.180
it's almost hard for us to get into the head of that that it's so psychologically inculcated
01:00:56.620
that one there wasn't a lot of easy ways to prevent pregnancy back then or it wasn't easily
01:01:01.140
known and on top of that just it's so baked in it's just it is what one does it is what happens
01:01:09.220
and it we almost can't imagine that anymore because now we are in a society where it is an option it is
01:01:15.260
something that you can choose and we can't really rewind the clock to a time where it was otherwise
01:01:20.600
there's there's another there's one other angle that i just want to mention so we're all in the
01:01:25.380
conversation i know you know we're getting kind of long on it but um with with a lot of like
01:01:29.980
millennials elder millennials people i talk to um you know we talk about the country becoming richer
01:01:34.800
but that doesn't necessarily mean that every every rung of that society has gotten richer and with a lot
01:01:41.920
of the millennials that are millennial situation i've got people coming to me because you know most
01:01:46.960
elder millennials are hitting you know starting to look at 40 right they're starting to see it right
01:01:50.760
around the corner um and some people who have gone through the you know the economic you know economic
01:01:57.760
turmoil i guess of of that decade that decade plus of graduating college then hitting boom uh great
01:02:04.780
recession going through all of it which parallels the you know at the same time as war paralleling not
01:02:10.080
not i'm saying not the same as but it's it's a parallel structure to uh almost the great depression
01:02:16.060
world war ii in terms of time uh where you have this huge economic turmoil that people have been
01:02:20.980
delaying family formation which then ties into obviously what blake is saying about um that the
01:02:27.560
fertility window is just closing so you can't delay that because there is a biological clock on this
01:02:32.700
and so for a lot of people who are middle class even upper middle class they're realizing that they
01:02:38.060
they're not hitting that career career goal where they wanted to so they're trying to hit that first
01:02:43.700
before they can go back to the family goal but they're realizing they can't do that uh people
01:02:48.820
were told a lot of a lot of girls were told back in in college in the mid-2000s oh freeze your eggs
01:02:53.500
you know you can go do that you know it'll be on the shelf when you need it but then you find out
01:02:57.000
there's more complications with that there's ivf complications that people run into uh turns out
01:03:01.840
it's not that easy to have kids when you hit that age and then also the fact that people aren't
01:03:07.080
getting married as much anymore in general that which goes on you know a whole nother line about
01:03:11.380
the relationship between the sexes and women in this country um you know has been pushed off so
01:03:17.300
far that but it basically put it to say i know a lot of millennials i know a lot of elder millennials
01:03:24.160
who wish they had kids who want to have kids but for one reason or another that usually harkens back
01:03:30.820
to one of those uh one of those factors does not have kids okay uh closing thought andrew
01:03:38.320
andrew is muted right now oh okay here we go um steve jobs said that before he died he went all
01:03:50.540
around the world after the the iphone and he realized something profound i think this was in his
01:03:57.100
biography just before he died that there was something he called the globalization of youth
01:04:02.240
right the globalization of youth he was seeing that among older generations they were very different
01:04:08.680
from one another the cultural norms still still held between germany and turkey and china but when you
01:04:15.940
got to younger generations they were all reading the same stuff exposed to the same ideas the iphone
01:04:22.200
revolutionized everything because you could and it made so when you're talking about a global trend
01:04:28.780
charlie you're talking about something that is becoming more and more the norm because those
01:04:33.120
people in 2010 are now you know 13 years older and they're they're a larger part of the working
01:04:39.860
population the globalization of youth is now the globalization to jack's point of 40 year olds
01:04:44.760
okay so when you've got we're more distracted we have more options we i think that that's so so
01:04:53.960
important when you're talking about global trends i think we're going to see more and more global
01:04:58.220
trends that people are grasping at at uh reasons for but it's just because you're simply exposed to
01:05:04.200
so much i mean tiktok's a global phenomenon twitter's a global phenomenon so we're consuming so much of
01:05:09.720
the same content i wouldn't be surprised uh to see that again you know the last the last the last
01:05:15.880
takeaway which is obvious is that it's now more and more acceptable to have sex outside of marriage
01:05:21.100
aka use birth control outside of marriage and that is a global toxin that is spreading
01:05:26.760
and that that's you fight you factor that in with all the other stuff okay you know that gavin newsom
01:05:33.360
went to china but did you know that donald john trump also speaks fluent chinese play cut 116 the media
01:05:44.040
jack what is he saying it's it's accurately translated what is he i don't i don't see it what is he saying
01:06:04.140
uh you must cross the road you must cross the mountains search of flowers this will be the new
01:06:13.700
it will be the new flowers do not be scared the fireflies will fly
01:06:25.900
that pick of him on the great wall go with the sword goes so hard
01:06:36.680
or it could liberate us is this is this is this elevating content
01:06:42.200
uh yeah yeah i think it's pretty strong i like it but this is so wait tie this back though to the
01:06:48.260
desanis memes versus the trump meme like the trump memes are absurdist and always make him look like
01:06:54.200
some kind of uh otherworldly superhero type figure where he can you can throw him into because there's
01:07:02.440
another one where he's doing like a daiwali dance at an at a hindu wedding uh where it's it's it's
01:07:09.340
incredible it's just amazing and then and then you throw him into traditional chinese song and it's
01:07:15.400
also amazing right there's some there's a certain x factor to trump that makes him one of the most
01:07:20.900
memeable people on the face of the planet and it it is very hard to describe but i would say probably the
01:07:27.520
the main reason that he's so memeable is because it's it's there's something just so wrong about it
01:07:34.140
it's so taboo to have donald trump who's portrayed as a a racist and a xenophobe and and all of this
01:07:40.480
to be not only fully embracing chinese culture but also fluently speaking and singing in mandarin
01:07:46.660
it's just deep down trump is basically the funniest person in the world yeah not not like a stand-up
01:07:52.820
comedian way necessarily but in like a deep way he is profoundly incredibly he's like that person
01:07:59.080
personally and just the concept of trump everything about it well that's the thing is that trump is
01:08:04.040
bigger than a person he's an aura vibe he's an archetype i have seen videos trump is not an
01:08:09.760
archetype of something trump is the archetype there's a video from 2016 that portrays donald trump
01:08:14.520
as a nazi who will blow up planet earth and the video makes you like trump more that's the anime one
01:08:21.040
right yes the anime one yeah yeah there's like it's like this anime one where he's also like got like an
01:08:26.460
army of gundams and yeah he's like a giant robot and he blasts off into space and he blows up planet
01:08:31.220
earth and you're like yes trump 2016 people say that you know trump is playing a part or is the
01:08:36.020
part playing trump that's the question that's chinese philosophy that's that's really deep all
01:08:41.780
right everybody keep committing thought crimes audi the virtue how do you say goodbye in chinese