Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 21 — Musk vs. The Masses, Candace Owens vs. Ben Shapiro

00:00:00.400 From the age of big brother.

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00:00:13.660 All right, everybody, it is thought crime plural,

00:00:20.540 but you can commit thought crimes here.

00:00:24.400 Now, I got to warn all of you.

00:00:25.680 This episode is about to get very spicy and mostly peaceful.

00:00:30.560 Blake, welcome back.

00:00:31.580 Hello, Charlie.

00:00:32.500 Blake is now a cultural phenomenon.

00:00:34.900 It's just there's no getting around it.

00:00:36.580 He's an installation.

00:00:37.860 Tyler, are the Suns above 500?

00:00:40.020 I think we're at 500.

00:00:42.000 Maybe at 500 now.

00:00:43.200 I do have to say, I think the NBA until you get the playoffs wastes the time.

00:00:47.380 I love this in-season tournament idea.

00:00:49.220 I'm a sucker for it.

00:00:50.080 I think it's actually creative and interesting.

00:00:51.800 I don't get it.

00:00:52.800 It's total marketing.

00:00:53.880 What's the prize?

00:00:54.580 Do they just get money for it? 0.88

00:00:56.080 No, the whole goal.

00:00:56.740 They're doing in-season tournament games on Tuesday and Friday.

00:00:59.420 It's smart.

00:01:00.060 In Vegas, right?

00:01:01.240 Everyone's in Vegas.

00:01:02.020 Well, no, they play them at home, and then the final tournament's in Vegas.

00:01:06.540 I kind of love it.

00:01:07.240 At least they're trying to make the NBA interesting.

00:01:08.940 They're trying to make it into something during football season

00:01:11.600 because football's every other day.

00:01:13.880 So Tuesday and Friday is now NBA day.

00:01:16.220 I kind of like it.

00:01:16.900 I don't like the NBA.

00:01:18.180 I appreciate the creativity because the NBA is so boring.

00:01:20.580 Jack, welcome back.

00:01:21.940 Okay, so we have tons to cover.

00:01:23.260 Or who wants to be our leader here on this?

00:01:28.800 Because we're starting with Ben and Candace, right?

00:01:30.420 Oh, of course we have to start with Ben and Candace.

00:01:32.340 So, Blake, just facts.

00:01:35.540 What's going on, Ben and Candace?

00:01:36.760 All right, so we'll start with the most basic facts,

00:01:38.500 and just in case Charlie hasn't kept track of this.

00:01:39.900 So Ben Shapiro is a well-known conservative voice.

00:01:44.720 He runs an organization called The Daily Wire.

00:01:47.260 He's not very tall.

00:01:49.000 And he has an employee named Candace Owens.

00:01:52.280 And they have a difference of opinion about a major issue of our time,

00:01:58.140 which is a – actually, I can't really tell what this difference of opinion is about.

00:02:02.740 It's sort of just passive-aggressive, apparently.

00:02:05.140 Well, I can explain that.

00:02:06.520 I can explain that.

00:02:06.700 Yeah, but also, Blake, let's be clear.

00:02:09.140 This has been bubbling up over the last couple weeks.

00:02:11.320 We've kind of seen this schism.

00:02:13.000 This is not overnight, right?

00:02:14.180 Of course, of course.

00:02:14.500 So it's, of course, about Israel-Gaza, ultimately.

00:02:17.620 And so Ben Shapiro is about what you'd expect on the Israel-Palestine issue.

00:02:23.240 He's very pro-Israel, very pro-Israel's response. 0.63

00:02:26.800 Yeah, effectively the IDF.

00:02:28.260 Effectively, yeah.

00:02:29.040 He's effectively ultra, ultra, you know, whatever.

00:02:32.980 Ultra-MAGA, but ultra-IDF, whatever.

00:02:35.740 And Candace hasn't said that much.

00:02:38.860 She's just sort of – she's kind of been like us.

00:02:40.540 She's been a little critical of some of the stuff where, you know, civilians have died

00:02:46.540 or they've hit churches or hospitals, and she's, like, worried about this.

00:02:50.380 But she's not pro-Hamas.

00:02:51.700 Well, there's two things in particular that I want to get to, Jack.

00:02:55.020 And I say this only because I have – I've been texted relentlessly because I defended Candace yesterday.

00:03:00.860 And a lot of Jewish Americans who I love – I have a heart for the Jewish people – said,

00:03:04.800 Charlie, you're out of line.

00:03:05.540 I said, okay, well, what did Candace do?

00:03:06.640 So this is what – I don't – by the way, I don't think that their anger or their rancor is, like, even close to being justified.

00:03:13.960 Let me be honest.

00:03:14.740 So the first one is this, okay?

00:03:16.280 And we can get this up.

00:03:17.160 I'm going to put – it's a text to you guys.

00:03:18.200 First one is Candace Owens texted this.

00:03:20.580 No government anywhere has a right to commit genocide, comma, ever.

00:03:24.080 I cannot believe this even needs to be said or is controversial.

00:03:26.500 Controversial, considered the least piece controversial to state.

00:03:29.400 This is on 11-3.

00:03:30.720 So this was back on November 3rd.

00:03:32.620 Dave Rubin responded, as I'm sure you know, Candace, the Palestinian population. 1.00

00:03:36.980 Candace then said, what's amazing about this is I did not name any country in this tweet.

00:03:41.080 I just said genocide is wrong, always.

00:03:43.620 This is not a controversial stance.

00:03:45.280 Interesting how you interpreted it.

00:03:46.860 But that's a little – I mean, it is –

00:03:51.580 It's interesting you thought that – it sounds like something, like, you know, nerds will say on internet forums, which they –

00:03:58.640 You ever spend time like –

00:03:59.580 Yeah, of course I do.

00:04:01.080 Yeah, but this is standard Reddit gaslighting.

00:04:03.840 Yeah, yeah, total Reddit, yeah.

00:04:05.120 But that's what the internet's all about.

00:04:07.060 True, true, true.

00:04:08.200 Like, what fun is the internet without gaslighting?

00:04:10.080 No offense.

00:04:11.420 Candace, I don't think you would have made that tweet if there were not, you know, an Israel-Gaza war going right now.

00:04:16.300 It's not like she just woke up and tweeted this for no reason.

00:04:19.880 So, yeah, so that's what she –

00:04:21.200 Then the third element was she tweeted out something – we'll get the tweet – around the Princess of Jordan.

00:04:28.480 There was something –

00:04:29.740 Queen of Jordan.

00:04:30.860 Queen Reina.

00:04:31.180 Oh, thank you.

00:04:31.780 Yeah, the Queen of Jordan, where she said that the term anti-Semitism, anti-Semite, is being thrown around too generously.

00:04:42.120 And that – by the way, I totally agree with that.

00:04:43.580 I think that's totally right.

00:04:44.640 So, Jack, am I missing anything?

00:04:46.540 Those are three or four different elements, right, of a bubbling up schism.

00:04:51.820 And then we'll get to the, you know, as it stands at the recording of this show, a complete civil war, whatever you want to call it, between Ben and Candace.

00:05:03.260 Jack, what are we missing?

00:05:04.000 Yeah, no, and I think she's done – and on her new podcast, you know, she had done some monologues as well where – pretty similar, I would say, to what you would hear on The Charlie Kirk Show or Thought Crime or Human Events or even War Room, where instead of doing this full-on, like, calling for donations for the IDF, we've been asking serious questions about the geopolitical implications of escalation of the crisis.

00:05:29.700 The fact that U.S. bases are currently under attack, U.S. bases that are throughout the Middle East.

00:05:35.200 Now, we don't necessarily agree with the U.S. having that many bases in the Middle East.

00:05:39.180 We're not saying that we promote that.

00:05:40.700 We're just saying that's what it is.

00:05:42.220 We're also talking about the implications of what were to happen if Iran or any of the other proxies of the Muslim Brotherhood or Iranian-based forces start to get involved in a wider dispute and how this would kick off a potential two-front crisis while the U.S. is currently involved in the proxy war in Ukraine, which is just a complete fiasco, an absolute disaster that's going on right now.

00:06:02.580 And so, you know, we've also asked questions about the security posture of Israel vis-a-vis the IDF and Bibi Netanyahu prior to October 7th, asking how could such an attack, such an elaborate, sophisticated, obviously well-planned attack take place when we know that Bibi Netanyahu has always portrayed himself as sort of the, you know, the hardline security, I'm going to protect everyone candidate.

00:06:30.480 This has been Likud's entire raison d'etre, their entire mantra for the past 30 years.

00:06:36.880 So the idea that this happens on his watch, also something, by the way, that President Trump has called out, and to be fair, a lot of people in Israel have called out as well, are really seen as failures of Netanyahu's administration and breakdowns within the intel apparatus there, the security apparatus of the Israeli state on Netanyahu's watch.

00:06:56.660 And yet, Ben Shapiro, basically, and I want to be clear because there's this video, so the video that popped off is really the inciting incident, at least of this iteration of the conflict.

00:07:08.980 It's not clear that this was a public event.

00:07:11.780 It looks like it was a private event.

00:07:13.460 I know that we have the video.

00:07:14.380 I'm sure we're going to be getting to it.

00:07:15.660 Yeah.

00:07:15.820 But with this video that really kicked off this week's, you know, dust up.

00:07:21.180 This was the Pearl Harbor of the whole deal. 0.87

00:07:23.260 Blake, set the stage.

00:07:24.520 All right, so this appears to be, this came out on Tuesday.

00:07:27.660 It's not clear when it was recorded, but this came out on Tuesday.

00:07:31.140 I guess let's just talk to it.

00:07:32.400 If you're mystified by the appearance of things, it appears that Ben Shapiro is standing on some sort of object, perhaps a table, perhaps a couch, perhaps some, like, extremely tall Ron DeSantis heels.

00:07:46.600 But we want to set the stage for that because it could be a very confusing image otherwise.

00:07:49.640 So let's roll 85.

00:07:51.140 Yes, the question is about Candace Owens.

00:07:55.480 I think her behavior during this has been disgraceful.

00:07:58.040 Without a doubt.

00:07:58.860 I think it's not a true person.

00:08:02.000 I can't, what was that?

00:08:03.600 Yeah.

00:08:04.780 Yeah, she still works for my company. 1.00

00:08:07.140 I think she's been absolutely disgraceful. 0.98

00:08:09.320 I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous. 0.98

00:08:14.220 It's not faux sophistication. 0.99

00:08:15.520 It's ridiculous. 0.94

00:08:16.460 Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying. 0.92

00:08:18.980 Okay, look, I got to say something, but go ahead. 0.98

00:08:23.100 Faux sophistication, disreputable, ridiculous. 0.98

00:08:26.640 That's a lot of stuff to say. 0.89

00:08:28.220 Let me tell you my biggest problem with this whole thing, and Tyler will totally agree.

00:08:32.640 You don't act like this is a leader, Ben.

00:08:34.640 This is not how leaders act.

00:08:36.580 You don't do that.

00:08:37.320 If someone's on your payroll, someone you're building a company with, you don't go in front of donors or friends and you bash someone.

00:08:44.320 Leaders go in private and you hash it out.

00:08:46.360 Or you say, we're done.

00:08:47.500 Right, Tyler?

00:08:48.420 That is, if I, if an executive at Turning Point would go and bash one of our people like that, it would be.

00:08:55.740 Publicly, on video.

00:08:57.600 You'd be done.

00:08:58.800 That is not good behavior.

00:09:02.620 By the way, Ben has to be held to a higher standard.

00:09:05.280 Ben is a business owner here.

00:09:06.280 She's an employee. 0.98

00:09:08.660 He's the boss.

00:09:09.540 He's the boss.

00:09:10.440 You know what he should have said?

00:09:11.380 It's like, boy, we're on different planets.

00:09:13.440 I'm not going to comment on that.

00:09:15.020 We're trying to solve it privately.

00:09:16.620 You don't do that.

00:09:18.420 That's been my biggest problem here.

00:09:21.140 Having dealt with plenty of fun things over the last decade, right, Tyler?

00:09:25.940 Well, we've dealt with a lot of influencers, people who have worked for us.

00:09:30.980 Where we don't always see things the same way.

00:09:32.940 Every day.

00:09:34.220 Every single day.

00:09:35.460 Literally every day.

00:09:36.280 Including Candace. 0.96

00:09:37.520 Correct.

00:09:37.940 We've worked with Candace before. 0.98

00:09:39.600 Had many situations.

00:09:41.140 I'll say this from my own perspective, which is like, you're going to disagree.

00:09:44.580 You disagree with your own spouse.

00:09:46.420 We talk about this all the time.

00:09:47.920 We have people on our staff.

00:09:49.260 And at Turning Point of Action, we actually endorse candidates.

00:09:51.880 So this is different than even TPUSA.

00:09:54.100 We'll have a disagreement.

00:09:55.140 There will be people that come into our atmosphere that don't like a candidate as much as Charlie likes a candidate or I like a candidate or somebody else likes a candidate or Jack.

00:10:05.300 Something Jack says on his show.

00:10:06.640 Something Charlie says on his show.

00:10:08.380 If you go out every time and escalate a situation, you're going to ultimately just completely disassemble what you built.

00:10:18.860 It is bad leadership.

00:10:20.760 I don't think anyone has done that take yet.

00:10:22.500 That is bad leadership.

00:10:23.880 Forget all the ideological stuff, okay?

00:10:26.300 I think Ben is breaking all the rules of leadership because he looks at this, right, Blake, as like a religious crusade.

00:10:33.780 And I don't mean that negatively.

00:10:34.820 This, to him, is so personal.

00:10:37.700 It really has been that way just for a lot of people.

00:10:40.620 I think it's understandable.

00:10:41.820 It's extremely traumatic.

00:10:44.020 We've made the comparison to Israel's 9-11. 0.52

00:10:46.280 And I think the older ones among us, like me, can remember 9-11 and how nationally traumatic it was.

00:10:55.280 And we did a lot of things that, in hindsight, we regret.

00:10:59.520 You know, got rid of all civil liberties, all that sort of thing.

00:11:02.500 It's very easy to overreact.

00:11:03.700 Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, all that stuff.

00:11:05.820 You know, so you can hardly blame him for being extremely upset.

00:11:08.520 Except for, you know, as some people pointed out, this is a different country.

00:11:13.220 And we're very upset on their behalf.

00:11:16.040 And that's kind of been an undercurrent to this is a lot of people saying,

00:11:19.800 okay, we understand you're very upset, but this is not the United States.

00:11:24.260 So then it escalated further, which here's my theory.

00:11:28.400 Should we read the tweets first?

00:11:30.140 No, that's what I'm going to get to.

00:11:31.340 But let me set the table because I don't think anyone has said this either.

00:11:35.340 So Tucker goes, I'm sorry, Candace goes down to Tucker and films an interview. 0.87

00:11:38.800 Okay.

00:11:39.560 And here's my theory.

00:11:41.400 Candace bashes Shapiro and Tucker.

00:11:44.420 She then texts somebody at the Daily Wire saying she bashed Ben.

00:11:47.760 And then Ben preempts the Tucker interview by 30 minutes.

00:11:52.280 You look at the timestamps.

00:11:53.620 This was not.

00:11:54.520 It was insane how quickly this happened.

00:11:55.780 This was not a mistake.

00:11:57.340 Ben got a tip because Candace probably said, OMG, because love Candace.

00:12:01.820 But she tweeted that she was that it was dropping.

00:12:04.320 No, no, no, no, no.

00:12:04.960 But I think she told people privately she hit Ben.

00:12:07.780 Okay.

00:12:08.560 That she was like, I went after Ben.

00:12:10.280 Like, this is going to be big.

00:12:12.380 Ben gets.

00:12:13.760 And so Ben wants to play offense.

00:12:16.420 So then he decides of all the tweets.

00:12:18.680 Wants to do a six-day war. 0.90

00:12:20.580 More than that.

00:12:21.760 And honestly, I just, I think this is really.

00:12:27.400 And so that's not true.

00:12:29.540 So Candace and Tucker recorded yesterday.

00:12:32.480 Okay.

00:12:33.040 On Wednesday.

00:12:34.460 Okay.

00:12:34.920 So someone in the chat.

00:12:35.760 I know that for a fact.

00:12:38.140 Let me, let me finish this.

00:12:39.680 So anyway, the Ben then comes out of all the tweets goes after Jack.

00:12:48.520 The, the tweet where Candace Owens tweets about blessed are the peacemakers.

00:12:53.360 Yeah.

00:12:53.600 So we've got that bring up number 81.

00:12:56.180 And so it's blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

00:13:00.900 Blessed are they when they persecuted for righteousness sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

00:13:05.140 Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you.

00:13:07.680 And she'll say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.

00:13:11.320 That's of course, from the Beatitudes, Sermon on the Mount, Gospel of Matthew.

00:13:14.340 Then she jumps ahead a few verses still from the Sermon on the Mount.

00:13:17.300 No one can serve two masters.

00:13:19.180 Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

00:13:24.600 You cannot serve both God and money.

00:13:27.540 And so she tweets that.

00:13:29.380 And then, uh, number 82, uh, should Ben, uh, responds shortly after, uh, does someone want

00:13:36.360 to, uh, imitate, uh, Ben's voice or, uh, just maybe I'll do it.

00:13:41.860 Candace, if you feel that taking money from the daily wire somehow comes between you and

00:13:45.120 God, by all means quit.

00:13:46.220 And that's pretty good.

00:13:47.980 Yeah.

00:13:48.360 And so hold on.

00:13:50.580 I got to keep doing, I'm sorry to hold on.

00:13:53.440 She ain't taking money from you, Ben.

00:13:55.440 She's earning money. 1.00

00:13:56.580 Okay.

00:13:57.380 What are you accusing her to be a thief? 0.90

00:13:59.520 I gotta be honest.

00:14:00.500 What, what are you doing here, man?

00:14:02.880 Candace, if you feel like taking money, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:14:05.920 Taking money.

00:14:06.760 Does she not provide a podcast that you monetize?

00:14:10.260 You, you, you employ her to drive value for your company or subscriptions.

00:14:14.520 Are you, are you exactly, by the way, how many times have I been pushed to daily wire

00:14:18.300 plus ad with Candace's face? 0.68

00:14:20.340 Candace, if you think, feel that taking money, I don't want Jack, am I, am I nitpicking here

00:14:25.180 or is that nitpicking a little bit?

00:14:28.320 Jack, am I nitpicking?

00:14:29.560 No, I, I get what you're saying in the sense of, uh, she is an employee of the daily wire.

00:14:37.600 And I don't know the specifics of the contract or however it works out, rev sharing or everything,

00:14:41.720 but, but, you know, just from the face of it, uh, her, her name, her visage, her work,

00:14:47.580 her profile, it's all done in furtherance of promoting the daily wire in the same way

00:14:53.660 that, you know, here on thought crime, we promote it using our platforms, et cetera,

00:14:58.560 et cetera.

00:14:58.880 So all of the work that she's done lately for daily wire plus her great George Floyd documentary,

00:15:05.140 her counter documentary to making of a murderer, which dropped recently.

00:15:09.360 These were huge events, uh, and they all require daily wire plus signups for anyone to,

00:15:16.400 and I was involved in promoting both of those.

00:15:18.560 I participated in, and I was asked to by daily wire to promote, and I was more than happy

00:15:22.560 to, because I thought they were fantastic pieces of work.

00:15:25.120 And so the idea that she's taking money while this, and not explaining it as if it's some sort

00:15:30.140 of actual, uh, mutually beneficial contract, I, I think it is, I think it is a little disingenuous

00:15:35.940 for him to say that she's taking money from the company when that's obviously not exactly

00:15:41.120 what the, the confines of the relationship are.

00:15:42.760 So, so we, we, we might be nitpicking.

00:15:44.540 I don't think I am.

00:15:45.440 Um, but that, that's a separate issue.

00:15:47.120 So that, that anyway, what goes on here though, is then Ben escalates this publicly in my opinion,

00:15:52.820 cause he, he knew the Tucker hit was, do you agree with that Blake?

00:15:55.140 Like, it's possible.

00:15:56.300 I, I don't know.

00:15:57.220 I'm not, I, it's too coordinated.

00:15:58.860 They had to suspect this.

00:16:00.320 And then, so 83, this is minutes before the interview drops.

00:16:04.020 The what?

00:16:04.540 Uh, now we have 83.

00:16:05.840 This is her response to Ben.

00:16:06.920 Yes, well, because this was, again, this was all right before Tucker drops.

00:16:10.020 This is right before, but before we get to Tucker itself, we should have her response.

00:16:13.260 This is the last thing that hits.

00:16:14.100 Which I think is an excellent response.

00:16:15.340 Yeah, so 83, and she says, uh, you have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for

00:16:22.880 weeks now.

00:16:23.880 Weeks.

00:16:24.280 And we have all had to sit back and allow it.

00:16:28.260 We, that's interesting.

00:16:29.440 We, we have all had to sit back and allow it and have all tried to exercise exceeding

00:16:34.460 understanding for your raw emotion.

00:16:37.580 But you cross a certain line when you come for scripture and read yourself into it.

00:16:43.080 I will not tolerate it.

00:16:44.300 There's another tweet where she says the Bible is not about you.

00:16:46.980 Yes, yes.

00:16:47.700 She does say that.

00:16:48.500 This is a really interesting point.

00:16:50.400 Like, I don't think people understand how interesting this point is.

00:16:52.520 And this is a real thought crime statement here.

00:16:54.620 So I need to be very careful about what I'm about to say.

00:16:58.700 I have lots of Jewish friends.

00:17:00.820 Charlie has lots of Jewish friends.

00:17:02.740 The moment you bring Jesus into a debate, it is a like bar none, convo over, total offense,

00:17:10.820 anti-Semitic comment because, you know, they're really offended by the fact that basically what

00:17:17.880 you're trying to say by quoting anything biblical, anything Christian is that they murdered Jesus.

00:17:25.000 Right?

00:17:25.240 And like, this is the bigger, and this, I'm telling you, there's multiple examples of this

00:17:29.640 in scripture where they've taken a scripture, completely pulled it out of context and said,

00:17:34.820 what you're trying to say with this scripture is anti-Semitic because the Jews killed Jesus.

00:17:40.700 And that's like the, actually the deeper conversation here.

00:17:43.360 Anytime you get an argument, and this is like, this is so funny to me because I've seen a couple

00:17:48.000 of these examples where like Christians don't even think that way.

00:17:50.820 Most Christians don't even have that many Jewish friends, especially if you're from the

00:17:54.820 South, right?

00:17:56.100 And like, that's just, they just don't even have any kind of context or understanding.

00:18:00.900 If you're from the Northeast, you have a little bit of a better understanding.

00:18:03.220 But the moment this happens, and so this is actually part of the subtext, I think,

00:18:07.000 in this tweet, which is like the moment that she says something and he's paying attention

00:18:11.260 and he, obviously she's been going after him, he's been going after her,

00:18:15.300 whatever's been happening for weeks, months, probably years, who knows?

00:18:18.740 This is now, again, reading themselves into the conversation.

00:18:23.000 I've seen this happen all the time.

00:18:25.140 You'll see it all the time.

00:18:25.940 So anyways, it's just, and also, and it's not anti, it's not anti-Semitic to quote Bible

00:18:30.620 tweets.

00:18:31.140 And by the way, love all my Jewish friends, love all our, our friends.

00:18:35.740 We have many, we've been the most pro-Israel in the entire conservative movement.

00:18:40.560 We literally, we spend millions of dollars on pro-Israel, millions of dollars, right?

00:18:44.860 For what?

00:18:45.340 To be called anti-Semites?

00:18:46.780 To, for just to be Christian, like that's just as like at the heart, like there has to be some 0.96

00:18:51.880 meaning of the, of the middle there.

00:18:53.580 And, and I think Ben is completely in the wrong by trying to read.

00:18:56.240 He's totally wrong.

00:18:57.140 So we have, yeah, Jack, please.

00:18:58.640 Yeah.

00:18:59.600 Yeah.

00:18:59.880 So I think what, what's going on here and, and Tucker gets into this later in the interview

00:19:05.040 and it, a lot of it gets extrapolated out is, is really that, you know, I don't necessarily

00:19:11.860 think that Candace has come down and said she opposes the IDF going after Hamas or if

00:19:19.100 she's, you know, pro October 7th and the attacks on the kibitzes that took place there.

00:19:24.920 Uh, I think what we really have here is this is a fault line for a lot of people on the

00:19:31.340 right that comes down to sort of more of that America first versus heavy American interventionism.

00:19:38.880 You know, some people would say neoconservative type of, of stripe that exists on the right

00:19:44.920 in America today, in American conservatism today.

00:19:47.920 Whereas in America first, or we'll, we'll look at this and say, yeah, that's a policing

00:19:51.980 action. I support Israel going and do that. Go, go take care of business, go get rid of 1.00

00:19:56.720 those criminals, take care of what you got to do, keep your people safe all, all for

00:20:00.640 it. But someone who's more on the neoconservative side, who's probably supporting Nikki Haley,

00:20:06.080 who's probably supporting, uh, intervention in general, you know, not a full on Lindsey

00:20:11.060 Graham, but you guys know what I mean. You know, there's, they're saying we need to send

00:20:14.620 more money to Israel. We need to send bombs, bullets, weapons, whatever it needs, whatever 0.99

00:20:20.740 we have to get into. You saw Ron DeSantis, uh, getting into this and I'm not trying to make it

00:20:25.020 political, but Ron DeSantis jumped onto this train at one point and his spokesman tried to claim that

00:20:30.880 they were sending weapons somehow this weird, you know, conflated. And it was totally, um, debunked

00:20:36.260 by the way, but they tried to claim that Ron DeSantis and the administration of Florida

00:20:40.480 were sending weapons and body armor to Israel to fight Hamas. And I think a lot of people,

00:20:47.400 Tucker included are looking at it and saying, look, you know, that's their fight. Why don't

00:20:52.180 you have the same type of emotional response when it comes to the American people? Why don't you have

00:20:58.100 the same? And Tucker makes the point about fentanyl. He says, why don't we see this, this type of

00:21:02.020 emotional response when it comes to the fentanyl deaths, when it comes to, uh, Candace talks about,

00:21:07.200 um, wounded warriors. You could also get into the 22 American veteran suicides per day.

00:21:13.040 We just don't see that same level of emotional response from our American political leaders,

00:21:18.560 who by the way, are supposed to be on the right when it comes to the American people,

00:21:23.180 when it comes to, and this, this fall, keep in mind, this comes in line after the 18 months,

00:21:27.720 almost two years now of the Ukraine war, where we saw our politicians were so all in the tank

00:21:33.820 for, we've got to fight Ukraine. This is the fight for freedom, but people at home, 0.79

00:21:37.800 forget about it. Yeah. So go ahead, Blake. Oh no. So it's just, we've got to, so I think we,

00:21:45.100 we've set this all up and now we get to the real hammer thing, which is you were saying she set

00:21:48.760 this up, but she, you know, got Ben to attack her, you know, six day war style just before the

00:21:54.140 Tucker interview drops, but the Tucker interview is recorded before the latest stuff. So were you

00:21:59.420 thinking that she set that up because then it makes everything she says in the interview work

00:22:04.380 better? No, I mean, again, no, the sequence is just this is that Ben's tweet about Candace resigning

00:22:10.060 was because he got a tip that Candace's and Tucker's interview was coming and it was, he was involved

00:22:16.980 in that interview and he wanted to play offense calling for her resignation and not be totally

00:22:22.180 caught on his heels. That, that is Jack. You agree with that, right? That, that, that seems to be,

00:22:27.600 well, I'll just say that the way I read that is probably because, and I'm sorry, but you know,

00:22:33.800 and nothing but, and I'm not trying to like start anything, but we remember all the contract disputes

00:22:41.060 at the daily wire that came out with the Crowder situation and Crowder had that fantastic scoop with

00:22:46.260 the Nashville manifesto. And so I have to imagine, and Candace, by the way, went full to bat for the

00:22:54.140 daily wire. She defended Ben on Tim. That's right. And in defending them. But when I, I, when I think

00:23:02.480 about the contract that they wanted Crowder to sign, which by the way, didn't seem all that insane to

00:23:06.540 me. I didn't like Steven handled all that. Yeah, he didn't, he didn't like it. That's fine. But again,

00:23:11.400 this is to your point, Charlie, you know, stuff that should be handled behind closed doors, not out

00:23:15.620 in public. I have to imagine that Candace is obviously under a contract that's of similar terms. 0.98

00:23:22.020 And as such, if the daily wire, whether it's Ben, whether it's somebody else no longer wants her to

00:23:27.340 be there anymore, I'm sure, look, we all know Candace, she does not come. She is not, she's not

00:23:32.820 a cheap date. Let's put it that way. She's not a cheap date. So they're definitely paid top dollar 0.99

00:23:37.020 to get Candace to sign with the daily wire. That's why, of course, you know, we offered her millions,

00:23:41.380 we offered her millions for thought crime, but you know, what can I say? What can I say? Daily wire came

00:23:45.700 in a little bit higher than we did. And so that's not true for the record. Media matters that there's no

00:23:50.360 truth to that. But then so 100% true. But anyway, so she's under obligation. Daily wire is under

00:23:58.000 obligation. It's too expensive for them to get rid of her. It would also cause too many problems. 1.00

00:24:02.380 So of course, Ben comes out and says, why don't you just quit? And my, my, the thing that I've just

00:24:08.300 got a little bit of nagging thought in the back of my head is, you know, is that something that,

00:24:12.980 that potentially he wants in that moment is for her to walk away. So he doesn't have to do with it.

00:24:17.280 I think he totally wants her to resign. So let's, let's go to some tape here. Let's go to,

00:24:23.240 there's several let's play cut 91. So this is the actual Tucker Candace interview. And just so

00:24:30.640 everyone is clear that this has just dominated right-wing circles now, right? People are

00:24:35.580 everything here. Yeah. Tens of millions. Yes. Play cut 91, please.

00:24:40.840 Really? I didn't remember that. Yeah. He was pro the COVID vaccine. I was anti the vaccine. You know,

00:24:45.680 we were all idiots for not getting the vaccine. So that's totally fine. I am totally open to people 1.00

00:24:50.260 having a difference in opinion. Right. I would hope that amongst colleagues that it would always be

00:24:54.880 civil disagreement. And I would never in a private event, stand on a table and talk badly about Ben.

00:25:00.500 It's a little weird. So he was on the left on those three biggest issues of our time.

00:25:05.640 He has converted his opinions. He's accepted responsibility. He said, you know,

00:25:08.940 I was wrong about the vaccine. He is, you know, obviously pro pharma, his mom's a doctor. And I

00:25:13.520 say to people, I'm very aware of my perspectives on big pharma. And I talk about it on my show openly.

00:25:19.020 And I think that that's a tremendous credit to the daily wire that they allow a difference of

00:25:23.020 opinions. But I would, as I said, hope that it would remain respectful.

00:25:27.840 So just so we're clear, Ben Shapira back in 2020 was going after Elijah Schaefer and said,

00:25:35.860 quote, in other words, get the vaccine dopes. And he also was strangely friendly with Gottlieb,

00:25:42.940 who was the Pfizer FDA guy that went back and forth. And yeah, I mean, he was a big pusher of

00:25:49.880 the vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. Ben was also a very big pusher and still is of the Ukrainian war effort 0.86

00:25:57.880 and has been. And also, I think he was pretty good on BLM or race.

00:26:04.000 So yeah, he's so Tucker says wrong on the three biggest issues. So was it he pro war in Ukraine?

00:26:10.140 He still is. Yeah. Okay. So pro, I assume Ukraine's one COVID and then COVID. And is the third one 0.90

00:26:15.240 George Floyd BLM? No, I think Ben Ben's actually been traditionally very good on race. I mean,

00:26:21.200 that has been actually one of his strongest topics. He's never really wavered on that. Honestly,

00:26:26.580 I would imagine it's election integrity is probably the third could be if I were if I were to guess.

00:26:32.020 He did attack Derek Chauvin initially over the George Floyd situation. Yeah, I know. But I want

00:26:38.300 to give Ben credit for years. He actually carried a lot of the more base takes against BLM, I will say

00:26:44.060 to great. He received back back in 14, 15, 16. He was he was one of the sharper critics against BLM and

00:26:51.780 all these race hoaxes and stuff. But I don't know if that remains. I don't know. But anyway, that's 0.63

00:26:55.980 talk. I don't know which three issues Tucker's talking about there. Okay, let's continue,

00:26:59.160 though, because this this continue that this it was probably one of the most interesting days on

00:27:04.280 the internet ever. Right, Blake? I mean, you have Ben and Ben Shapiro and Candace fighting. Well,

00:27:09.680 again, just to remind you, Ben Shapiro pays Candace. This is such bad form. You don't do this. Okay,

00:27:14.160 you do not do this. It's and and then there's a bigger issue here, too, which is like he's talking

00:27:20.440 about when you employ someone, it doesn't matter who it is. But certainly one of your most highly paid,

00:27:27.440 most valuable employees, like you're giving yourself a lot of problems, Charlie, when you're

00:27:32.060 going out and talking about basically employee issues, telling people to quit. You can't you

00:27:36.920 can't do some of those things like you just you just can't like so you're and again, I don't know

00:27:41.820 how their contract structure it exactly and everything else. But like, you're like he's setting

00:27:46.420 himself up for like a long term multi million dollar, you know, fight. Why doesn't he just go meet

00:27:53.120 with her? Like go be a leader and be like, Candace, let's work this out. But he's but he's he's he's

00:27:57.760 painting himself into a corner a little bit by saying they're talking about these things publicly

00:28:01.700 like you like like turning point would never we would never let you do this, Charlie, because

00:28:06.920 it'd be like, well, she says something on this. Let's actually play clip clip 90. Okay, great.

00:28:14.720 I think that's fair. And just just for clarity, because I really don't know. Is he your boss?

00:28:18.580 I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about Ben's involvement. He's not he's not the CEO of

00:28:24.320 The Daily Wire. He is not making the data into The Daily Wire. And I do want to make it very clear

00:28:28.520 because people are like, how could you possibly save Daily Wire after this? I have a very good

00:28:32.420 relationship with the co CEOs, The Daily Wire. I don't want that video to become a reflection of

00:28:37.520 how The Daily Wire works. The Daily Wire operates because I have had a very good experience with the

00:28:43.460 CEOs. And, you know, love Michael Knowles, love Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan. We all get along really

00:28:50.400 great. So here's 94. The last time Candace, Ben and I were all pictured together. There you go. See

00:28:56.700 I don't know. I don't know. Charlie, what's going on with your Rivolino test right there, man?

00:29:03.880 Yeah, the green lines. Let's put some green lines on that. Yeah.

00:29:06.960 Get the green lines up, folks. I don't know why people are laughing.

00:29:09.960 Because it's funny, Charlie. Hey, when you're with, when you're with, it's funny. And Ben is

00:29:15.480 actually standing on a box there. You wouldn't realize it. But, you know, but you got to lean

00:29:19.980 in when you're with people that are half your height. You guys have the same belt. What's up

00:29:24.240 with that? Coordinated. Anyway, sorry. People were, people were wondering. So I guess this

00:29:29.380 will help set up the next topic, too, which I think a lot of people could guess what the

00:29:32.340 next thing will be, which is, you know, so it starts off as this fight between Candace and 1.00

00:29:37.640 Tucker. But it's also becoming symbolic for, I think, a larger thought crime dispute that

00:29:45.740 is happening in the wake of kind of the new Gaza war, which is, let me see which number

00:29:52.720 it is because our numbers are a bit jumbled up here. Well, Tucker also said something similar

00:29:56.220 in his interview, too. It's kind of this all of a sudden ADL's on defense.

00:30:01.660 Yeah, they're on defense. But, you know, it's as we've highlighted, which is, you know, a lot of

00:30:05.980 people have jumbled up their opinions because of this recent conflict. They've realized a lot of

00:30:11.380 people on the left hate us. A lot of stuff is going on. And, you know, so we have donors who

00:30:16.820 are pulling donations from this or that nonprofit or especially colleges. And a lot of us are very

00:30:22.860 grateful for that. But what we see in clip number 92 here is Tucker and a lot of others are asking,

00:30:28.040 OK, that's great. But OK, why is it that this is when it started? And they're like mad about the

00:30:33.540 timing of it. Let's just play number 92. However, then I thought, well, wait a second. If the biggest

00:30:39.520 donors that say Harvard have decided, well, we're going to shut it down now, where were you the

00:30:44.140 last 10 years? And that's what Jenna said. You were allowing this. And then I found myself really

00:30:48.580 hating those people, actually, that you're OK with that. On what grounds were you OK with that?

00:30:53.120 And this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby, that what you are seeing is

00:30:56.400 lack of support is people that are asking the question is, where were you as we have endured

00:31:00.480 all of you were paying for it, actually? Right. You were paying for it. You were you were paying

00:31:03.960 for it. You were calling my children immoral for their skin color. You paid for that. 1.00

00:31:08.540 And so why shouldn't I be mad at you? I don't understand.

00:31:13.820 He said, shut it down. ADL is not going to like that one.

00:31:18.860 Wait, so why is that? Why do you say that? Candace said the smartest thing here, 0.99

00:31:22.320 which is I have received, not hundreds, dozens of really well-meaning messages and calls from Jews

00:31:29.920 saying, why is the right not standing with Israel? I'm like, honestly, guys, where were you when all

00:31:34.360 the white people were called for death? Yeah. Like, where were you when the University of Chicago 0.90

00:31:38.360 said we need to have a class against whiteness, right? Yeah. I mean, no. I mean, a lot of like 1.00

00:31:44.540 liberal Jews were funding this stuff. And we've said that on this show. And so excuse us while we're a 0.54

00:31:49.900 little bit less, I mean, like, again, we're supporting Israel, but like when our enthusiasm 0.97

00:31:54.720 wanes, when I don't know, like white people have been, it's been in vogue to kill us. 0.98

00:32:01.240 Yeah. It's, I mean, we have like people go on these like, you know, stabbing frenzies or, 0.93

00:32:06.800 you know, they'll, they'll shoot cops and it's very clearly driven by, you know, this like

00:32:11.400 vocal, like kind of deranged anti-white animus in, in the media, which has been highlighted. 0.88

00:32:16.900 Institutionalized. Institutionalized. Um, I do think, you know, you can pull that back

00:32:21.880 and say, you know, even if they didn't realize it till now and, you know, to quote another

00:32:25.820 Bible verse, you know, it's like you pay the same wage to the laborer, even if he only 0.70

00:32:29.280 comes in in the afternoon and, you know, it's good if they realize it through this lens,

00:32:34.140 but there is definitely frustration from, you know, Tucker shows it and a lot of other people

00:32:40.080 are showing it that, yeah, it's like, you know, you didn't see what was extremely obvious

00:32:45.940 until, until this new incident. And a lot of people are upset about that. Yeah. Um, whether

00:32:52.160 it's fair or whether that means you shouldn't, uh, you know, it should change how you feel

00:32:55.940 about this current issue. I think that can be debated of course, but it's very, it's

00:33:00.520 definitely a very jarring evolution to see. And you're seeing a lot more vocal criticism

00:33:05.480 of, I guess, of Israel and how people feel about it than certainly I, than I, I have

00:33:11.280 ever remember in my lifetime. Well, yeah. And then there's also this, this moral expectation

00:33:16.560 of you must now fight for Israel. You must now fight for this very hard and aggressively,

00:33:21.720 which is fine. Everyone has issues they care about, but then we're like, well, time out

00:33:26.740 guys. I mean, weren't you also just simultaneously on board for the Floyd stuff, the CRT stuff,

00:33:31.800 you know, and, and now you want us to come into the arena. Well, and I think this is the

00:33:37.040 point, right. And I just dropped in the chat about how some of America's biggest corporate

00:33:41.840 leaders are like, meanwhile, while all this is going on, right. And any district distraction

00:33:46.720 that's going to take place in the media is going to happen. The biggest corporate leaders

00:33:50.840 in America are plotting, uh, the CCP and San Francisco. So, and they're doing this whole,

00:33:56.760 this whole thing, but this is the point. I think that's the very important element in

00:34:01.660 how we frame this and talk about this is, Hey, if none of these other things, these other

00:34:05.700 problems that you've allowed to, to mustache, uh, metastasize, uh, have grown, then maybe

00:34:13.560 people would have a lot more energy to be able to do that. But we're fighting a multifaceted

00:34:17.500 war here where you've allowed for the anti-white rhetoric and the burning down of our cities

00:34:23.880 to exist. You have now allowed the CCP into our country where they're literally again, and

00:34:29.660 many of these, these, these leaders of these corporations are Jewish by the way, where's the 0.74

00:34:34.680 conversation about that? I don't think the CCP is going to be on our side and the defense of

00:34:39.120 Israel last I checked. Yes, exactly. So what, what are you doing? What are we doing? So how about

00:34:44.680 getting on our side a little bit more? How about, you know, many, many prominent leaders in the

00:34:50.160 Jewish community, recognizing that you have more friends in the Republican sphere and the

00:34:54.800 conservative sphere that you do on the Democrats? And there is some positive, um, movement. Mark

00:35:01.440 Rowan, Leon Copperman have, you know, pulled gifts from university of Pennsylvania. We're starting to

00:35:05.880 see more and more, um, you know, uh, traction there, but the big one now, Blake is the richest man on the

00:35:14.640 planet. Exactly. Exactly. So that's the second topic here. So obviously we have the fight between,

00:35:19.540 you know, Ben and Candace, but the same time this is happening, literally the same minutes we're

00:35:24.840 texting back and forth about both. Uh, there's, uh, you know, Musk is, Elon Musk is on Twitter all

00:35:30.660 the time or X, I guess we should, we should be respectful to his new name. He's on it all the

00:35:34.700 time. He's replying to all these people and it just goes, uh, incredibly viral. So kind of for full

00:35:40.560 context, there was this ad that aired on, um, it was airing on television, but it was posted to

00:35:47.940 Twitter and it was sort of this very, uh, do we have, uh, yes. So this is the clip that got it

00:35:55.520 going. And so this is an advertisement. It's about a minute long, but it's, uh, I can, let's just play

00:36:00.560 it. 78. I saw what you've been posting. Hitler was right. 1.00

00:36:17.940 I didn't teach you that. You hide behind your screen, spewing all this hatred and ugliness.

00:36:28.900 You got something you want to say? Get out of the truck and say it to their faces.

00:36:34.100 Is that ADL?

00:36:45.600 Is that ADL? Uh, it was stand up to Jewish hate. I can't remember. I think that is a project that 0.70

00:37:07.140 ADL. Okay. And so a lot of people got, it's a powerful ad. It's, it's not the, I, a lot of

00:37:11.740 people got really angry. I didn't think it was super bad. It doesn't anger. I'm just saying

00:37:14.720 cinematically, objectively, that's, that's powerfully done. So what people got angry about

00:37:18.600 is they thought this fueled what, what's kind of a trope in the media. If, if you want to use that

00:37:25.520 term, which is, you know, it's like this, you know, it's this white dad and his white kid,

00:37:30.280 like very normal American and, you know, kind of mainstreaming the idea that like, oh yeah,

00:37:35.800 the source of antisemitism in American life is, you know, normie Americans who love Hitler and

00:37:42.100 want to do the second Holocaust. And, you know, people saying like, no, the source of, you know, 0.77

00:37:47.860 most antisemitism and especially the most violent, deranged antisemitism is, uh, you know, a lot of,

00:37:54.660 you know, groups that we've brought into America recently that have been coddled by the left,

00:37:58.820 you know, the Ilhan Omar of the world, the Rashida's Tlaib of the world. And like, that's the actual

00:38:04.780 source of antisemitism in American life, especially the people who are going to do something really

00:38:09.840 vicious. You know, the people who are throwing rocks and vandalizing, you know, synagogues and 1.00

00:38:14.580 all of that. And instead they sort of directed again at the safe target, which is just normal

00:38:21.880 Americans who in reality are just like, no one has ever been more pro Jewish and pro Israel

00:38:28.540 than just, you know, the normal American white middle class.

00:38:33.500 So I want to know after that ad, how many more Googles of Hitler was right are going to 0.85

00:38:40.640 be afterwards. And the follow-up ad, which was, there were 140,000 because of your ad here.

00:38:50.500 How many of that 70,000 did you guys actually instigate?

00:38:53.940 And so, so then this leads to just real quick. So that's what the video was. And then Elon Musk's

00:39:00.040 tweet, which is, uh, was he responding to the video? So it happens as 86. So some guy I've never

00:39:06.720 heard of breaking bot, the artist formerly known as Eric, he tweets this, uh, okay. Jewish communities 0.68

00:39:13.740 have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want

00:39:19.980 people to stop using against them. I'm deeply dis, uh, crap. I don't have the whole tweet here. 0.99

00:39:25.360 I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest bleep now about Western Jewish populations coming to the 1.00

00:39:32.080 disturbing, uh, crud. Can we get the rest of this? Let me, let me, let me pull it up. Guys, this is too

00:39:38.000 confusing. People can't track this. You got, you got to be more precise. Okay. So the point is this guy

00:39:43.660 is essentially tweeting that Jewish groups have stoked anti-white hatred rather than, uh, put the

00:39:50.760 focus on, as he says, um, I think hordes of minorities who have been brought into the U S who

00:39:57.040 have actual more antisemitic views. And then all that happens is Musk replies, you have said the

00:40:03.020 actual truth. Okay. Let's summarize. What is the, so this tweet that he said, the actual truth is the

00:40:07.320 following that, that Jewish people have done what? That they have pushed dialectical hatred. 0.99

00:40:13.500 Against whites. Okay. So that, that is largely true, isn't it? Well, so dialectical hatred is sort 0.97

00:40:19.720 of, it's like a weird buzzword. That's sort of saying they have this like Talmudic drive towards

00:40:26.020 hating whites, I think, which that's kind of a weird take. Uh, but I think the basic idea that there

00:40:32.140 are, especially on the left, like the ADL, that there have been, uh, publicly, uh, overtly Jewish

00:40:40.520 organizations that have promoted left-wing stuff that favors like open borders for the United States

00:40:46.700 while also. So I think what, what Elon was focusing on here to defend Elon, because I mean, I wouldn't

00:40:52.940 say that every Jewish person hates white people. I don't, I don't think that's fair. So I don't,

00:40:57.240 I think what, well, I don't know what Elon will have to defend himself, but I do think that it's fair

00:41:02.680 to say, hold on a second. Their major institutions funded by Jewish people, colleges and nonprofits

00:41:09.380 have been the biggest sponsors intellectually and politically of the importation of the third

00:41:15.180 world into the West and of anti-white sentiments, Jack or Tyler first. Well, I was just going to say

00:41:20.460 real quick, in corporations, right. And, and then also the large Jewish populations that have a

00:41:26.060 responsibility to protect their own community and to stand against this, this type of stuff where this

00:41:30.520 is happening in inner cities where there's, there are larger Jewish populations as well. New York,

00:41:35.600 Philadelphia, a lot, a lot in the Northeast. Well, and so Jack, I mean, just for example, BLM is a

00:41:41.020 great example of this, right? So, so Jack, what was Elon saying? This is a, I'll be honest, this is a

00:41:47.300 weird tweet. I, I, I, I've, I've read it three or four times. It doesn't, I don't think it's easy to

00:41:53.020 understand what this guy was. I sort of get it right. But Jack, you gotta, you gotta interpret it again.

00:41:57.640 I'm, I'm not a moron. So you gotta, you gotta help me out here. Like dialectical hatred. I mean,

00:42:02.700 I know what that means, but I just, I don't, it doesn't resonate. Yeah. I think in, well, in the

00:42:06.660 context, keep in mind that he's, this tweet is a response to the video, which we just played.

00:42:11.480 So this is commentary on that same video. Okay. That's helpful to know. Okay. And so the commentary

00:42:16.940 point being, and I threw this out there as well earlier. So this is a Bob craft funded video,

00:42:21.460 uh, funded through this organization, stop anti-Jewish hate. Um, then they put out this

00:42:27.000 video that's promoting the Roscoe's from Arkansas trope. So I call it the Roscoe trope. This was

00:42:32.940 created by, uh, the guy, the professor, Canadian professor Gad said, who said that Roscoe's from

00:42:38.140 Arkansas with have, uh, from the river to the sea tattooed on their forehead. And I responded to him

00:42:45.120 saying, I don't think it's Roscoe's from Arkansas that are marching in these pro-Palestine

00:42:51.120 pro-Hamas marches across the West, storming Westminster Abbey, by the way, last night,

00:42:58.740 Gad. And then he blocked me for saying that. Yes. It's a bizarre thing. And so,

00:43:03.900 Blake, if I could just finish. And so what I, what I think Elon is pointing out here is that there,

00:43:08.700 there is a sort of cognitive dissonance because they're attacking a group, which by the way,

00:43:14.460 by and large, probably when you're talking about the South and the Midwest, that's a lot of

00:43:19.220 evangelicals, a lot of Baptist, Southern Baptist convention. This is a very pro-Israel, like

00:43:24.020 probably the most pro-Israel group in America. These, and just in general, these are also salt

00:43:29.560 to the earth people. They're not the ones that you should be worried about, but unfortunately it

00:43:34.260 is the people that we've been importing into this country and probably, and Trump of course has been

00:43:38.640 out there saying that we should look at deportations, canceling visas. Many people of all studies are also

00:43:43.240 coming out now saying that a lot of the organizers of these events actually are here on student visas

00:43:48.680 or otherwise some sort of temporary visa to the United States. And so we should be looking at

00:43:55.140 pulling those things because we are actually importing people into our, and let's just say

00:44:00.020 civilization that are not part of it, that don't share our values and that are actually for attacking 0.61

00:44:05.380 it and the things that we hold dear. It's as simple as that. And so I think when you look at,

00:44:10.140 in terms of this, I think what Elon is actually saying here is that you guys need the redirect

00:44:15.040 fire. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Yes. Like, and this is the point too. We just saw,

00:44:21.940 and this is again, to refocus this, forget even the people from outside the country who are coming

00:44:27.480 into this country via our university systems and getting visas to attend that have all of these

00:44:33.440 really radical viewpoints that support an anti-Jewish state. Here is the bigger issue is like,

00:44:40.540 you look at ASU the other night, we have had some really incredible student leaders that we've

00:44:45.840 supported through Turning Point USA that have defended against BDS for years. This last, this last week

00:44:53.400 at Arizona State University, Swing State Arizona, Arizona State University, there is a push to pass a BDS

00:45:02.040 resolution, which hasn't been passed in like 10 years, mainly because of what's going on outside

00:45:07.240 the windows. When the student body president gets up and says, we're not doing this. Everyone go home,

00:45:11.820 which was a great, great kid. Great move. Uh, they start throwing rocks outside. So I throw rocks

00:45:18.920 through the windows that those aren't kids from international homes. You know who those are?

00:45:25.000 Those are white, ultra liberal, ultra Marxist kids who have been completely indoctrinated, uh,

00:45:33.520 through the universities at these mega state funded university campuses here in the United States.

00:45:39.560 And, and so you have to look at this and go, you look at the, the Soviet mantra, the CCP mantra,

00:45:44.880 they want chaos. They want division from within. They want to support this craziness. This is happening.

00:45:50.100 Where I will disagree with the tweet is I don't agree with this and this part, because I had to

00:45:55.380 read, I don't think this is well-written. I'll be honest. It sounds like someone who's trying to be

00:45:58.360 too smart. I'll be honest. It doesn't, I've read this three or four times. You have to read something

00:46:01.720 four times. It's, it's, it's on them, not you. That's the Dennis Prager rule for something. No,

00:46:06.720 it's true. He taught me that. He's where he said, quote, I'm deeply disinterested in giving the

00:46:11.100 tiniest, you know, S H I T now. Incorrect use of disinterested, by the way. That's what I'm saying.

00:46:18.280 This is not well-written. I, I, this, anyway, I don't know who this person is, but about Western

00:46:23.380 Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities 1.00

00:46:27.040 that support flooding their country don't exactly, I, I disagree. I actually do support. I, 0.98

00:46:31.600 I am interested in Jewish people waking up. I, I don't, I don't agree with that. I, am I, 1.00

00:46:37.660 am I a little bit like, where have you been? Yeah. At the same time, I think it's good if Jews

00:46:41.380 are pulling their money from universities. So I, I don't agree with, I, that's where he's like,

00:46:45.800 I'm deeply disinterested. There's this huge bitterness to it. No, but I, would you be,

00:46:50.040 but if, if Elon is saying the truthful part is that, that Jewish donors have primarily turned

00:46:55.380 a blind eye to anti-white, anti-Western stuff to support elitist institutions. And they thought

00:47:00.660 that, okay, fine. Yeah. But the part of the tweet I don't like is I am actually super interested in

00:47:05.440 Jews waking up. It's so bitter. Like you were mad for years that these groups were like funding all 1.00

00:47:10.900 of this stuff while you're like, guys, it's all going to blow up in your face. And now it's blown

00:47:14.900 up in their faces. And a lot of people are realizing that was a huge mistake. I think we should support

00:47:17.660 any community waking up though. Right. I don't think we should be like, no, I'm, I think, yeah,

00:47:21.820 I'm not interested in your awakening. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, can you go back? I want to go back to

00:47:26.520 not liking you. Such a good point. Yeah. And so, all right. So now we have to talk about the fire

00:47:31.600 because we don't really know what Elon's talking about here. Cause he kind of does. He does follow up

00:47:37.200 tweets that make it very clear. So he talks about, if you have it, Jack, go ahead and bring

00:47:42.440 it up. Otherwise I'll try to race to bring it up here. Cause he does some follow up tweets that

00:47:47.540 just clarify that he's talking about the ADL as opposed to other stuff. Let me try to find

00:47:52.700 it quickly. Tyler, you talk while I bring it up. I can continue here. So again, they're saying

00:47:58.440 it's antisemitic and all this. I got it. And I just, the, the, the, the part of the paragraph

00:48:03.920 that I think is a hundred percent true. Jewish communities have been pushing the exact type 1.00

00:48:08.200 of threat. It's dialectical. You're being too cute by half men. Yeah. Hatred. Okay. Let's 1.00

00:48:11.720 just get rid of that word. It's you don't understand Hegel probably. So just get out of

00:48:15.060 the way. Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that 1.00

00:48:19.400 they claim to want people to stop using against them. That is true. True. Right. The next

00:48:24.080 part is you're, you're not interested in people waking up. I don't like that. So that's

00:48:28.500 just as a, here's, it's kind of elitist. It's also, as Blake said, it's bitter and I don't

00:48:33.500 like bitterness in our politics. If blacks want to wake up against the Democrats, God 0.99

00:48:36.980 bless them. If Jews want to wake up against the left, God bless them. Will it actually 1.00

00:48:40.600 stick? I don't know. Okay. Then there's this tweet from Elon. Okay. So first he

00:48:45.200 tweets, uh, okay. The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority

00:48:54.080 of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot by their 1.00

00:48:59.080 own tenants criticize the minority groups that are their primary threat. It is not

00:49:04.640 right. And it needs to stop. He talks a bit more. Uh, and then there's another reply that

00:49:08.660 he does again at the risk of being repetitive. I am deeply offended by ADL's messaging and any

00:49:15.860 other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.

00:49:24.300 I'm sick of it. Stop now. And in the midst of this, honestly, God bless him for saying

00:49:29.060 in the midst of all this, he replies to another tweet where he says, when people talk about

00:49:32.260 decolonization, they mean destroying like the Jewish state and that's, they mean a Jewish 1.00

00:49:36.720 genocide and that's unacceptable. He's right. And so he's just very much this guy in the middle 0.73

00:49:42.480 saying like, I don't like anti-Semitism and I don't like anti-white racism or anti-Asian

00:49:49.400 racism. They're all bad. And then you have, you know, these political actors in the media 0.96

00:49:55.420 like blowing up at him. So Jake Tapper replies last night, right after this happens, Elon Musk

00:50:01.820 pushing unvarnished anti-Semitism. What would varnished anti-Semitism be by the way? Unvarnished

00:50:08.240 anti-Semitism at a time of rising anti-Semitism. I think people get so mad on Twitter, their grammar

00:50:14.780 just disappears. And he's like rising anti-Semitism and violence against Jews. Elon Musk is the

00:50:21.080 real sinister actor here. And then Yair Rosenberg over at the Atlantic puts out Elon Musk's

00:50:28.660 disturbing truth. The billionaire affirmed the deadliest anti-Semitic conspiracy theory in

00:50:35.200 recent American history. Very fast. They did this all very fast. Yeah. I mean, it's almost as if,

00:50:41.520 you know, well, Yair Rosenberg has been obsessed with Musk for months. So he had another headline

00:50:45.340 all the way back in May when criticizing George Soros is not inherently anti-Semitic, but casting

00:50:52.460 him as an avatar of evil. So George Soros funds all of the woke stuff that has led to the most amount

00:51:00.640 of anti-Semitism in America that we've had probably since, you know, pre-1940. That's correct. And,

00:51:08.720 and they can't take this. This is the, this is the awakening that's happening in the back dark

00:51:16.060 closets of newsrooms right now, which is like, holy crap, we're like losing ground now with Jews. 1.00

00:51:21.540 We're losing ground with blacks. We're losing ground with Hispanics. And Donald Trump's going to see 1.00

00:51:28.340 maybe like a five to 10 point spike in all these communities and inner cities. Like we are in really

00:51:33.520 big trouble, like really big trouble because that's the only way they can survive is when they

00:51:38.340 don't have to worry about when you look at how they have to chase their, their votes and everything

00:51:41.920 else. This is all they care about. They care about these, these issues as it pertains to the next

00:51:47.900 election. And so it's, it's really, it's really eyeopening. Yeah. And what I think is the bigger

00:51:53.860 takeaway again, cause I I've reread that tweet now for the sixth time. I wish Elon would have picked a

00:51:57.820 different tweet because it's not that smart. The, it is some good, some bad is that the world's

00:52:03.340 richest man is identifying anti-white racism and anti-Asian racism as a moral cancer. Jack, that's an 0.58

00:52:12.880 Overton window win that literally during Floydapalooza during the race riots, if you would have told us

00:52:20.180 three years later, the wealthiest man on the planet would be talking about anti-white racism.

00:52:27.600 We were Jack, you and I together, we were on an Island on that with very few allies, right? In the

00:52:33.580 calendar year of 2020, talking about the war on white people, you know, black squares. And now the 0.99

00:52:39.460 world's wealthiest man is saying, by the way, this is a moral toxin. Let's just kind of take a step

00:52:46.440 back. Something we're doing is working as far as moving the, forget all the political stuff. We'll sort

00:52:53.460 that out later. This is a huge advancement. Charlie, Jack, you know, let's, let's take,

00:53:00.120 let's take it even back further than that. Let's look at, so we just crossed the one year mark of

00:53:05.040 Elon purchasing Twitter, renaming it X.com has the propensity for freedom of speech increased or

00:53:14.080 decreased in that one year. It's Maggie magnanimously increased. It's so huge. It's absolutely enormous.

00:53:22.320 The fact that people are now able, and now, and again, people will say, well, these are, you know,

00:53:26.660 these are controversial takes. People are just being more controversial. I disagree because when

00:53:30.880 we're talking about freedom of speech, when the founders, you know, not to get all like, like

00:53:34.480 boomer con on everybody, but when the founders were talking about freedom of political speech,

00:53:38.360 they obviously meant things that were not politically correct to say, but may actually be true.

00:53:45.100 And so Elon, he's the kind of guy, because he has this sort of engineering mind, this engineering

00:53:51.220 background, you know, he just wants to solve the problem. He doesn't care about all the, you know,

00:53:56.260 the shibboleths in between. He doesn't care about taboos. He doesn't care about social niceties. He

00:54:00.720 just wants to solve the problem when he's, you know, he wants to put people on Mars, right? What's the

00:54:04.940 best way to put people on Mars? I don't care what race, color, gender, the, the team is of scientists

00:54:10.920 that are building the rockets and building the colonies. I just want to put people on Mars.

00:54:15.000 So he's laser focused on something like that. And when you have that type of mind and you look,

00:54:20.320 and then someone else comes to you and says, oh, well, we need to, we need to make sure that we

00:54:24.180 have this quotient and this quotient. You're not allowed to use that verb. You know, Trump mentions

00:54:28.540 the word, use the word vermin the other day. And some, somehow it's immediately connected to Hitler

00:54:33.460 when it's obviously just a word that kind of popped into his mouth because he was talking about

00:54:37.240 people that he viewed as pests, right? He was talking about Antifa. He was

00:54:40.880 talking about communists, right? There's no direct connection whatsoever. It doesn't matter

00:54:44.840 if Vivek Ramaswamy is, is forced to then, you know, try to respond to this on CNN. It's ridiculous. 0.92

00:54:50.100 The whole thing is ridiculous on its face and it always has been. So the fact that Elon bought X, 0.94

00:54:55.480 which I don't think is something that anyone Elon included could have actually predicted prior to it

00:55:01.620 actually happening. I would say not only has been an unmitigated force for good in the world,

00:55:07.580 it's also driven us towards number one, uh, more freedom, which by the way is driving peace in the

00:55:15.600 world. I would say, you know what? Elon Musk, Nobel peace prize. Go for it. Honestly, the liberation of

00:55:20.880 X is one of the biggest wins for Liberty in a generation. What Elon did is what billions of

00:55:26.180 dollars of money in conservative nonprofits never could have done. I mean, would you agree? I mean,

00:55:30.220 I never got in a million years, it will go down. Even if tomorrow, like the white paper, even if

00:55:35.560 today the FBI came in and shut down all of X, what has already been accomplished, the ideas that are

00:55:41.260 now allowed to get out there is already significantly enriched our discourse. Yes. And this far into 2024

00:55:48.920 too, the closer we get to the election. I mean, they're going to just try to shut that. And the

00:55:54.140 obsession I'm thinking about is I think really hurting them. Cause like, first of all, it's just

00:55:58.660 inherently absurd to say that Elon Musk is an anti-Semite. Like how many Semites do you think 0.99

00:56:03.940 that Elon Musk has had to employ at Tesla, at SpaceX, at any of his companies to make them

00:56:09.420 successful? It's just a sloppy, shallow, stupid argument. I'll bet like 70% of Elon Musk's friends 1.00

00:56:13.540 are literally Jewish probably like in like Austin tech scene. Okay. Yeah. And they're like, so,

00:56:20.020 and it's exposing how political it is that they're so obsessed with taking Musk down because

00:56:24.460 he brought, uh, you know, free speech back that he's had these successful companies that he's sort

00:56:29.140 of not on the, uh, you know, on the democratic, uh, you know, they can't keep him on their plantation

00:56:35.280 as it were. And so they're, you know, they've been obsessed for months with taking him down. And so

00:56:43.700 they're, they're seizing on this. So immediately, you know, Jake Tapper comes out,

00:56:47.220 Yair Rosenberg comes out and they're like, they're screaming anti-Semitism at him. So it's

00:56:51.980 immediate. Yeah. And on drudge. And so it's immediately exposing that this is just a weaponized

00:56:56.600 political attack on him. It's going to fail. And then it's going to, I think, cause a wider

00:57:02.860 realization of this. And then also, you know, as far as, you know, donors matter, Elon Musk is the

00:57:07.500 richest man in the world. He has a ton of friends who are also billionaires. I think in the small,

00:57:13.200 much smaller social world of ultra rich Americans who are invested in politics, I think this is going

00:57:20.620 to cause a major revision in how a lot of them maybe view the, uh, you know, elite Democrat media

00:57:26.280 establishment, both in terms of seeing the hostility they can bring against you, how they don't share

00:57:31.640 your interests, the threat that they can be to you. And yeah, maybe if they destroy Musk, they can sort

00:57:37.100 of terrorize these people into quiet, into publicly acquiescing. I think behind the scenes, there's

00:57:43.340 going to be a lot more, uh, wealthy Americans who are, are very opposed to this. I can hope

00:57:48.600 anyway. I just, I mean, as, as, go ahead, Jack. No, I was going to actually ask you something

00:57:53.540 because there's a point that you made recently. It's a, it's a trend. I would say that you identified,

00:57:57.500 um, that I think actually is playing out here. Do you think that this is an example of, by the

00:58:03.480 way, Blake, you mentioned, um, you know, Jewish people that Elon's friends, very close friends

00:58:07.720 with David Sachs. They're clearly, you know, work together very, very closely. They've, they've

00:58:12.340 done a lot together. Um, you know, I'd love to see them, you know, on a stage together, maybe

00:58:16.940 at a stage somewhere soon. Um, and Charlie, you mentioned something before about how it's

00:58:22.660 like this Gen X uprising. That's sort of, there's this Gen X pragmatism versus the sort of like

00:58:29.260 baby boomer moralism that we're seeing go on right now. Do you think what Elon is doing

00:58:35.120 is playing into that right now? Is this not a trend? I have this repeated theory where

00:58:39.140 I think there is this volcano of Gen X that is going to erupt. And it is, they're so sick 1.00

00:58:45.320 of baby boomers. They've always been under the shadow of baby boomers. They're also exhausted 1.00

00:58:50.000 that millennials are basically overtaking them. They are the closest thing to a forgotten generation 0.57

00:58:55.580 in the modern era ever. And they actually wield a significant amount of energy and power.

00:59:00.720 And right now they're up, they're upticking as far as their top of their career. So just

00:59:05.460 everyone knows what ages we're talking about. People born between 1965 and 1980, right? So

00:59:11.340 specifically like mid seventies is when they were born. So these are people in their late forties,

00:59:17.400 early fifties or late fifties, right? So they're, they're definitely culturally different

00:59:21.300 than baby boomers. They have not had adequate representation in corporate life, in politics, 0.99

00:59:27.600 in media. Ron DeSantis is Gen X, for example, Elon Musk is Gen X, right? And so my theory continues

00:59:35.360 that Tucker, um, yeah, Tucker is Gen X. They view the world completely differently than baby boomers. 1.00

00:59:42.240 They feel as if they've been passed over because it's true. They've been waiting their turn for their 0.99

00:59:47.500 whole life. They've been waiting like, okay, eventually we're gonna, we're gonna be in charge

00:59:51.520 and it just hasn't materialized that much. And they see the country falling apart. And I think the,

00:59:59.080 the, the right wing tilt of Gen X is going to be one of the most promising political trends. Um,

01:00:05.540 in and we, yeah, I mean, we see it with, you say Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel, 1967. Yeah. So,

01:00:12.340 I mean, but you could, you go one by one by one, right? And they are, yes. I mean, yeah,

01:00:18.620 you go through the list. You're like, wow, that's, that's a pattern. Um, and the pattern

01:00:23.600 is really exciting. And so anyway, the point is this, is that Elon Musk in some ways is almost

01:00:30.760 pushing back against institutional boomer norms. And that's, what's really driving this is that,

01:00:36.700 you know, him even signaling this out is, I had a boomer come up to me and we, and not a great donor.

01:00:44.280 We just had an amazing lunch with really amazing. People get so mad when we, when we talk this way,

01:00:48.840 but you're, you're, you're just trying to categorize the situation. And this is, this is not even a bad

01:00:54.500 thing. And he says, man, he says, we would not even be allowed to say the word Jew. When I grew up,

01:00:59.940 he said, how are you guys even able to say this? And he's like, it kind of makes me uncomfortable

01:01:05.020 as a boomer, Charlie, when you say Jewish dollars are funding left-wing stuff. He's like, it's true. 1.00

01:01:10.360 He's like, you're so courageous. And I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, what,

01:01:15.180 what world do you live in? Like, I love Jewish people, but I'm also not gonna like censor my

01:01:21.020 speech because of some sort of cultural sort of Damocles. And he was, and God bless him. He was so

01:01:26.640 honest. He was like, I don't understand how you guys are able to talk about this. He's like,

01:01:31.840 I'm afraid that I'm playing into some trope. And we, and he said, if I would have said what you

01:01:35.880 guys say now, he's like, I would have lost my job, been canceled, censored, and kicked out to the

01:01:40.880 curb. Elon is kind of looking at boomer norms. It's like, nah, not going to do that, Blake.

01:01:47.660 So it's just an, you know, another dimension of this, which is so, uh, APAC, the American Israel

01:01:54.180 public affairs committee, a major lobby group in the U S very pro Israel, of course. And they've sort of,

01:02:00.060 it's recently been revealed that they're gearing up to spend a hundred million dollars in the 2024

01:02:05.320 congressional races. And their objective is to knock out the so-called members of the squad,

01:02:11.400 AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, um, Presley. There's a few others who've joined a Bowman,

01:02:17.700 I think as a member. And, you know, obviously they're the left wing of the democratic party.

01:02:21.500 They're some of the most critical, uh, of Israel to leave, of course, just got censured in Congress,

01:02:25.720 or at least they had that did pass. Yes. And so their idea is, okay, we're going to unseat them.

01:02:32.540 Well, obviously that means you're going to bankroll people in the Democrat primaries. They're all in

01:02:36.420 incredibly blue seats. No Republican's going to win those. And I think it's very telling that that's

01:02:41.040 their priority, that they're sort of, they're thinking, okay, there's this bubbling up of anti-Israel

01:02:47.340 sentiment in the democratic party, but like, no, the democratic party, that's, you know, that's our

01:02:50.980 party. We're just going to, you know, have a really highly paid challenger and they'll knock

01:02:55.680 these people off and we'll be fine. And I think what they'll find is this is going to be a lot

01:03:00.300 harder than they expect. They're going to be, I think, very surprised by how little enthusiasm there

01:03:05.540 is in these hyper blue districts for this sort of priority for knocking these people out. And 0.98

01:03:11.620 so they'll be caught off guard by that. And even if they win, they'll just see more of this bubbling up

01:03:17.320 because this is the trend in the democratic party, but they would rather do this than just,

01:03:20.360 I think, except what is most obvious, which is the most naturally pro-Jewish population in America 0.94

01:03:27.240 is just the right. The Roscoe's. The Roscoe's from Arkansas. Hold on a second. Let me play devil's

01:03:34.260 advocate here. So I had a different gut reaction. So the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee,

01:03:39.220 AIPAC, is going to spend $100 million to go after AOC, Ilan Omar, Jamal Bowman, Ayanna Pressley,

01:03:44.980 some other black woman that I don't know, probably a lesbian, Rashida Tlaib, and then another black 1.00

01:03:49.240 woman, Ayanna Pressley. So it's all of them. So my initial reaction was completely different.

01:03:54.300 I'm just going to be honest. I said, honestly, God bless moderate Jews for wanting to spend money 1.00

01:03:59.760 against Democrats. Because, I mean, I guess my-

01:04:03.140 But they're spending on other Democrats, which, okay, I get it.

01:04:06.840 I get that. But you and I both know then that Democrat, that's a fair point. That's a fair

01:04:12.720 point. But I guess the question is, would you rather see AIPAC spend $100 million on the ADL

01:04:20.620 or say, hey, we're going to go primary Marjorie Taylor Greene, right? I mean, I think it's a

01:04:27.440 somewhat promising thing that they've identified. The AOC now has to go do fundraisers. She now has 0.79

01:04:33.800 to go defend her turf, right? Now let's talk politically, Tyler. This is probably a good

01:04:37.900 thing. Misdirection of resources, right? Energy, time. Honestly, that's what I don't like about

01:04:43.020 that Elon tweet that he responded to. I think it's a good thing that Jewish donors are at least 1.00

01:04:48.020 signaling out Democrats as the problem. Am I thinking correctly about this, Tyler?

01:04:51.020 Yeah, totally. I mean, we're in a war. And when we lose the worst, right, is when they're able to stack

01:04:59.140 up their resources and attack nothing but Republicans, you have to, and this is really

01:05:05.500 interesting. It's a really interesting point that we have to remind conservatives of all the time

01:05:08.720 is it's all directional. Like you can't turn the ship, right? Like that quickly on things. And so

01:05:15.900 having attacks happen, Democrat on Democrat attacks happen, we need to lean into that,

01:05:21.940 encourage that, encourage that, help that because that's exactly the core, the heartbeat of the

01:05:28.040 problem. And remember that we grow more with, as long as we're prepared, right? With the right

01:05:34.780 resources, the right armies, our own preparation to actually support the right people, do the right

01:05:42.160 thing and get more, gain more conservative ground. But heading into 2024, this is really bad for Democrats

01:05:48.640 because you already have vote splitting and ticket splitting happening with potentially our friend

01:05:55.020 in West Virginia being out. You have Kirsten Sinema here in Arizona. You've got, you know, the RFK

01:06:02.480 junior. I know we're divided on our opinion on that stuff. You've got, you know, Colonel West, you've got,

01:06:08.840 you've got the Green Party nomination here. So you've already got so much splitting, so much resource

01:06:16.740 redirection. And now the question is, it's really to me, Charlie, and this, I think this piggybacks on

01:06:23.040 this conversation, which is not so much, are Democrats going to attack each other and how much,

01:06:28.080 but how prepared are we going to be to take advantage of that situation?

01:06:32.200 Yeah. And I, so I just, having spent time around AIPAC to be on it, and I've been around there,

01:06:37.900 you know, Tyler, I think you have too, right? Yep. There's a ton of Democrats at AIPAC,

01:06:43.380 right? It's mostly Democrats. Mostly Democrats. It's 80% Democrats. Yeah. And they're Jewish 0.99

01:06:47.220 Democrats. So, so Blake, it's not the best use, but isn't it better that Jewish Democrats are going 1.00

01:06:54.660 to go deploy money to go at least cause a headache and havoc amongst who we consider to be some of the

01:07:00.760 least desirable political creatures in America? Oh, for sure. For sure. Definitely. It is an

01:07:06.000 improvement over what, you know, maybe the worst possible thing they could do is, but we can hope for

01:07:11.800 more. It's, uh, I do think it would be better if, if they were just recognized that, you know,

01:07:18.400 the democratic party is, is, has become, and is going to continue to become something very hostile

01:07:23.620 to, to their interests. And I think it's sort of a, it's a recurring issue, you know, 20 years ago.

01:07:30.600 So you might not remember this, but about around 2004, Philip Roth, a pretty famous American novelist

01:07:36.000 wrote a book, The Plot Against America. The plot of the book is that it's a alt history novel where

01:07:42.240 Charles Lindbergh wins the 1940 presidential election. And on the, the back of this wave of

01:07:47.800 anti-Semitism in America emanating from Kentucky and the Dakotas and, you know, middle America that

01:07:54.120 we kind of have an, an almost Holocaust in America and we like align with Nazi Germany. And the book is

01:07:59.940 fundamentally pretty deranged because the premise of it is again, that there's this huge reserve

01:08:04.820 of Nazi style anti-Semitism in middle America that, you know, if not for FDR, you know, it all would 0.78

01:08:10.560 have bubbled up and it could have all been so horrible. And that doesn't accord with historical

01:08:15.960 reality. Like that's just not where anti-Semitism even was in America at the time. And it was not

01:08:19.860 of that nature.

01:08:20.540 It's a mythology.

01:08:21.020 Yeah, it's a mythology. And it's, we're seeing it manifest today where, you know, we have these

01:08:24.980 people who worry about the Roscoe's who are supposedly going to do all this bad stuff. And I think it's

01:08:30.980 really just what they do is they take normal political views, which is, you know, a lot

01:08:35.520 of, you know, a lot of Jewish people are just liberal in the normal sort of way. You know,

01:08:40.020 they favor more socialist policies, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-trans, normal stuff to

01:08:46.100 be liberal on. But what they do is they take the fact that they disagree with middle Americans

01:08:51.320 on those issues and they sort of transform it into they are anti-Semitic against us when that's

01:08:57.820 just, that's just not true. And in this case, it's leading them into a recurring political

01:09:04.740 failure of not seeing where the real danger to them is of, you know, groups we've brought

01:09:10.280 in that actually are for real anti-Semitic, anti-Israel.

01:09:13.720 Yeah. And so that, that is an interesting question. So I had a call recently with a top

01:09:19.400 level Jewish person in media who I really like, not Dennis Prager, somebody else. And if I were

01:09:24.980 to say what he said, I would be called an anti-Semite just, just to be clear. And I said,

01:09:29.420 honestly, you got, I want the truth. Do you think that a majority of American Jews can ever 1.00

01:09:34.740 move right wing? And he said, no.

01:09:37.880 Yeah. But here's, here's the point on what we just talked about, right? Which is what is

01:09:41.420 going to happen? Let's just, I hate living in, you know, the what ifs, what if this happens,

01:09:46.780 but let's just go into this. They spend a hundred million dollars to try to take out any, any one

01:09:53.040 of, or if all of the, the, the, the most awful members of Congress, right? At AIPAC. So let's,

01:10:00.920 let's, let's think about this for a second. The moderate Democrats who run AIPAC are spending

01:10:05.880 a hundred million dollars, as you pointed out, for the right reasons to take them out. What

01:10:12.260 is going to be the result? What is going to be the result? None of them are going to get

01:10:16.040 taken out. Maybe one, that'll be a huge victory for them.

01:10:19.600 They're going to have to raise money to defend themselves. They're well, what do you, what

01:10:23.000 the squad? No, no, no, no. But, but here, my, my point is, is this, is that moderate Democrats,

01:10:28.120 when, when they spend all of that money to try to take them out, there's one of two things

01:10:33.480 that's going to happen. They're either going to give up and retreat and then never do it

01:10:36.540 again, or they're going to get angry because it's going to be, it's going to become a more

01:10:41.020 hostile situation between those two. And they're going to try even harder. And then it's

01:10:46.920 going to move beyond just that gang. It's going to move beyond them. And it's going

01:10:51.120 to go into members of Congress who just pacify those, those members. Right. And then that's

01:10:58.580 it. So I'm actually really hopeful that you talk about the conversion process. Are we ever

01:11:05.080 going to be in our lifetime, see a predominant, you know, Republican Jewish force? Probably 0.98

01:11:12.800 not. But is there a good chance that, you know, this could shift 20 points over the course

01:11:18.300 of our lifetime because of that battle, because you're going to have more, but we're not going

01:11:22.800 to have fewer AOCs guys. We're just not, there's going to be more.

01:11:25.800 Yes. And honestly, if the APAC wants to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the rest

01:11:31.840 of the time to fight Marxists and just like cause discord and so that they don't get, they

01:11:38.360 do not get out of primaries without bruising. Good. That's my theory. That's a good thing.

01:11:45.100 My theory is that that's going to happen. No, that's great. Out of this. This is like your

01:11:48.800 point that you brought up is exactly, this is, this is going to happen more and more.

01:11:52.780 Yeah. If American Jews want to unite their political and cultural and financial power

01:11:58.160 and say, honestly, if you're a Marxist that hates Israel, we're going to run ahead. You

01:12:02.580 might survive, but we're going to bruise you up and bloody you up. Honestly, that's a, that's 0.98

01:12:07.440 a much better direction of resources than APAC saying, you know what? We're going to give

01:12:11.460 a hundred million dollars to priorities action USA or Biden's reelection. No, here's some sort

01:12:16.480 of weird thing. Will that make antisemitism in the U S worse, which is if they're doing

01:12:22.680 this in the democratic party and they make it so, but that's, that's not like the top

01:12:27.380 can, that's not sure. For sure. Like I don't mind the democratic party having problems.

01:12:30.480 It will only play into false tropes that Jews are running American politics. I say false

01:12:37.720 tropes, media matters, but that's what you're getting at. Right. Yeah. So like you'll have

01:12:41.600 the future AOCs, the future Ilhan Omar, and they're going to be growing up in a political environment

01:12:46.640 where like all the, you know, all of the new American majority as they are, they're all 1.00

01:12:52.580 saying to each other, like, yeah, the reason we can't have, you know, single payer or any

01:12:56.520 of these things that we care about is that anytime a real progressive runs in a democratic

01:13:00.720 primary, the Jews come in and like blow them up. I could see that trope, that, that story 0.98

01:13:06.820 being one that takes root on the far left and it would be, it'll be very interesting. I don't

01:13:12.540 think it, I think it'd be bad for the democratic party and therefore good for America, but it's

01:13:17.620 also bad for America in a way. Like we don't, you know, you don't want anti-semitism or anti,

01:13:22.900 anti anybody ism to be this rising force in American politics.

01:13:26.980 Here's a more interesting point too. The AIPAC lobby, these moderate Democrats are 100% in

01:13:36.120 the same car with the chamber of commerce types, like the national chamber of commerce, all of

01:13:42.140 that, which is, this is an interesting perspective too. And when you talk about, uh, you get into

01:13:47.660 the unions, uh, how the unions are becoming more attracted to the Republican party, how

01:13:55.220 there's a shift there that's happening. And the chamber of commerce is becoming significantly

01:13:59.980 more moderate Democrat than they are becoming more moderate Republican. And this is a big

01:14:05.500 question is, can, you know, the America first unit within the conservative movement, uh, attract

01:14:14.460 enough union types of regular Americans while at the same time being able to manage the chamber of

01:14:20.940 commerce and moderate Democrats like in AIPAC, the pro Israel lobby to just attack Democrats.

01:14:27.500 The, the, the big takeaway of all this though, guys, that I just want to reinforce the, the topics

01:14:32.380 that we are now able to discuss comfortably is thanks to Elon's liberation of X.

01:14:38.060 Yeah. We still, still on our show, we always get these emails like, I don't trust Elon Musk.

01:14:42.780 He's going to take over the world.

01:14:43.740 I'm so exhausted with these, like take a win guys.

01:14:46.140 Judge them by their fruits and the fruits of Elon Musk in the past year.

01:14:49.580 Take a win.

01:14:50.140 Yeah. He's done the, the, the shift in what you are allowed to say, what you're even allowed

01:14:55.340 to email us, whatever is so dramatic. It has been so positive. It has been everything we hoped

01:15:01.740 for when he bought it. And then people just complain, you know, he's still a Gen X guy

01:15:06.700 who smokes weed. Okay. I don't like the weed either, but this is a positive outcome. And

01:15:12.300 compared to what every other billionaire has been doing, there should be a sign. You don't

01:15:16.860 have to hate everybody. Yeah.

01:15:18.060 And the Charlie Kirk show, you're allowed to be happy. You're allowed to have a good mood.

01:15:21.580 No, I'm not. No.

01:15:23.420 All right. So next week, everybody email us freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. I'm sure the Ben and

01:15:28.140 Candace drama will continue. We'll see if Elon is still alive a week from today. Keep committing

01:15:37.580 thought crimes on thought crime. See you guys next week.

01:15:41.980 The crime is death.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 18, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 21 — Musk vs. The Masses, Candace Owens vs. Ben Shapiro

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