THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 21 — Musk vs. The Masses, Candace Owens vs. Ben Shapiro
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1 hour and 15 minutes
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187.67198
Summary
Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens have a difference of opinion about a major issue of our time, and it's not about Israel and Gaza. It's about genocide, and we're here to talk about it!
Transcript
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DNS specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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All right, everybody, it is thought crime plural,
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This episode is about to get very spicy and mostly peaceful.
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I do have to say, I think the NBA until you get the playoffs wastes the time.
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I think it's actually creative and interesting.
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They're doing in-season tournament games on Tuesday and Friday.
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Well, no, they play them at home, and then the final tournament's in Vegas.
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At least they're trying to make the NBA interesting.
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They're trying to make it into something during football season
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I appreciate the creativity because the NBA is so boring.
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Because we're starting with Ben and Candace, right?
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Oh, of course we have to start with Ben and Candace.
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All right, so we'll start with the most basic facts,
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and just in case Charlie hasn't kept track of this.
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So Ben Shapiro is a well-known conservative voice.
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And they have a difference of opinion about a major issue of our time,
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which is a – actually, I can't really tell what this difference of opinion is about.
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It's sort of just passive-aggressive, apparently.
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This has been bubbling up over the last couple weeks.
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So it's, of course, about Israel-Gaza, ultimately.
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And so Ben Shapiro is about what you'd expect on the Israel-Palestine issue.
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He's very pro-Israel, very pro-Israel's response.
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He's effectively ultra, ultra, you know, whatever.
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She's just sort of – she's kind of been like us.
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She's been a little critical of some of the stuff where, you know, civilians have died
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or they've hit churches or hospitals, and she's, like, worried about this.
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Well, there's two things in particular that I want to get to, Jack.
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And I say this only because I have – I've been texted relentlessly because I defended Candace yesterday.
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And a lot of Jewish Americans who I love – I have a heart for the Jewish people – said,
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So this is what – I don't – by the way, I don't think that their anger or their rancor is, like, even close to being justified.
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No government anywhere has a right to commit genocide, comma, ever.
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I cannot believe this even needs to be said or is controversial.
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Controversial, considered the least piece controversial to state.
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Dave Rubin responded, as I'm sure you know, Candace, the Palestinian population.
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Candace then said, what's amazing about this is I did not name any country in this tweet.
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It's interesting you thought that – it sounds like something, like, you know, nerds will say on internet forums, which they –
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Like, what fun is the internet without gaslighting?
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Candace, I don't think you would have made that tweet if there were not, you know, an Israel-Gaza war going right now.
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It's not like she just woke up and tweeted this for no reason.
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Then the third element was she tweeted out something – we'll get the tweet – around the Princess of Jordan.
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Yeah, the Queen of Jordan, where she said that the term anti-Semitism, anti-Semite, is being thrown around too generously.
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And that – by the way, I totally agree with that.
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Those are three or four different elements, right, of a bubbling up schism.
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And then we'll get to the, you know, as it stands at the recording of this show, a complete civil war, whatever you want to call it, between Ben and Candace.
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Yeah, no, and I think she's done – and on her new podcast, you know, she had done some monologues as well where – pretty similar, I would say, to what you would hear on The Charlie Kirk Show or Thought Crime or Human Events or even War Room, where instead of doing this full-on, like, calling for donations for the IDF, we've been asking serious questions about the geopolitical implications of escalation of the crisis.
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The fact that U.S. bases are currently under attack, U.S. bases that are throughout the Middle East.
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Now, we don't necessarily agree with the U.S. having that many bases in the Middle East.
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We're also talking about the implications of what were to happen if Iran or any of the other proxies of the Muslim Brotherhood or Iranian-based forces start to get involved in a wider dispute and how this would kick off a potential two-front crisis while the U.S. is currently involved in the proxy war in Ukraine, which is just a complete fiasco, an absolute disaster that's going on right now.
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And so, you know, we've also asked questions about the security posture of Israel vis-a-vis the IDF and Bibi Netanyahu prior to October 7th, asking how could such an attack, such an elaborate, sophisticated, obviously well-planned attack take place when we know that Bibi Netanyahu has always portrayed himself as sort of the, you know, the hardline security, I'm going to protect everyone candidate.
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This has been Likud's entire raison d'etre, their entire mantra for the past 30 years.
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So the idea that this happens on his watch, also something, by the way, that President Trump has called out, and to be fair, a lot of people in Israel have called out as well, are really seen as failures of Netanyahu's administration and breakdowns within the intel apparatus there, the security apparatus of the Israeli state on Netanyahu's watch.
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And yet, Ben Shapiro, basically, and I want to be clear because there's this video, so the video that popped off is really the inciting incident, at least of this iteration of the conflict.
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But with this video that really kicked off this week's, you know, dust up.
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All right, so this appears to be, this came out on Tuesday.
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It's not clear when it was recorded, but this came out on Tuesday.
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If you're mystified by the appearance of things, it appears that Ben Shapiro is standing on some sort of object, perhaps a table, perhaps a couch, perhaps some, like, extremely tall Ron DeSantis heels.
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But we want to set the stage for that because it could be a very confusing image otherwise.
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I think her behavior during this has been disgraceful.
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I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous.
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Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying.
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Okay, look, I got to say something, but go ahead.
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Let me tell you my biggest problem with this whole thing, and Tyler will totally agree.
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If someone's on your payroll, someone you're building a company with, you don't go in front of donors or friends and you bash someone.
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That is, if I, if an executive at Turning Point would go and bash one of our people like that, it would be.
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By the way, Ben has to be held to a higher standard.
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Having dealt with plenty of fun things over the last decade, right, Tyler?
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Well, we've dealt with a lot of influencers, people who have worked for us.
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I'll say this from my own perspective, which is like, you're going to disagree.
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And at Turning Point of Action, we actually endorse candidates.
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There will be people that come into our atmosphere that don't like a candidate as much as Charlie likes a candidate or I like a candidate or somebody else likes a candidate or Jack.
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If you go out every time and escalate a situation, you're going to ultimately just completely disassemble what you built.
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I think Ben is breaking all the rules of leadership because he looks at this, right, Blake, as like a religious crusade.
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It really has been that way just for a lot of people.
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And I think the older ones among us, like me, can remember 9-11 and how nationally traumatic it was.
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And we did a lot of things that, in hindsight, we regret.
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You know, got rid of all civil liberties, all that sort of thing.
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You know, so you can hardly blame him for being extremely upset.
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Except for, you know, as some people pointed out, this is a different country.
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And that's kind of been an undercurrent to this is a lot of people saying,
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okay, we understand you're very upset, but this is not the United States.
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So then it escalated further, which here's my theory.
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But let me set the table because I don't think anyone has said this either.
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So Tucker goes, I'm sorry, Candace goes down to Tucker and films an interview.
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She then texts somebody at the Daily Wire saying she bashed Ben.
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And then Ben preempts the Tucker interview by 30 minutes.
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Ben got a tip because Candace probably said, OMG, because love Candace.
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But she tweeted that she was that it was dropping.
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But I think she told people privately she hit Ben.
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So anyway, the Ben then comes out of all the tweets goes after Jack.
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The, the tweet where Candace Owens tweets about blessed are the peacemakers.
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And so it's blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.
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Blessed are they when they persecuted for righteousness sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
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Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you.
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And she'll say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.
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That's of course, from the Beatitudes, Sermon on the Mount, Gospel of Matthew.
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Then she jumps ahead a few verses still from the Sermon on the Mount.
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Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
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And then, uh, number 82, uh, should Ben, uh, responds shortly after, uh, does someone want
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to, uh, imitate, uh, Ben's voice or, uh, just maybe I'll do it.
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Candace, if you feel that taking money from the daily wire somehow comes between you and
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Candace, if you feel like taking money, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Does she not provide a podcast that you monetize?
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You, you, you employ her to drive value for your company or subscriptions.
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Are you, are you exactly, by the way, how many times have I been pushed to daily wire
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Candace, if you think, feel that taking money, I don't want Jack, am I, am I nitpicking here
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No, I, I get what you're saying in the sense of, uh, she is an employee of the daily wire.
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And I don't know the specifics of the contract or however it works out, rev sharing or everything,
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but, but, you know, just from the face of it, uh, her, her name, her visage, her work,
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her profile, it's all done in furtherance of promoting the daily wire in the same way
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that, you know, here on thought crime, we promote it using our platforms, et cetera,
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So all of the work that she's done lately for daily wire plus her great George Floyd documentary,
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her counter documentary to making of a murderer, which dropped recently.
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These were huge events, uh, and they all require daily wire plus signups for anyone to,
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I participated in, and I was asked to by daily wire to promote, and I was more than happy
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to, because I thought they were fantastic pieces of work.
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And so the idea that she's taking money while this, and not explaining it as if it's some sort
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of actual, uh, mutually beneficial contract, I, I think it is, I think it is a little disingenuous
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for him to say that she's taking money from the company when that's obviously not exactly
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what the, the confines of the relationship are.
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So that, that anyway, what goes on here though, is then Ben escalates this publicly in my opinion,
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cause he, he knew the Tucker hit was, do you agree with that Blake?
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And then, so 83, this is minutes before the interview drops.
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Yes, well, because this was, again, this was all right before Tucker drops.
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This is right before, but before we get to Tucker itself, we should have her response.
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Yeah, so 83, and she says, uh, you have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for
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We, we have all had to sit back and allow it and have all tried to exercise exceeding
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But you cross a certain line when you come for scripture and read yourself into it.
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There's another tweet where she says the Bible is not about you.
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Like, I don't think people understand how interesting this point is.
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And this is a real thought crime statement here.
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So I need to be very careful about what I'm about to say.
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The moment you bring Jesus into a debate, it is a like bar none, convo over, total offense,
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anti-Semitic comment because, you know, they're really offended by the fact that basically what
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you're trying to say by quoting anything biblical, anything Christian is that they murdered Jesus.
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And like, this is the bigger, and this, I'm telling you, there's multiple examples of this
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in scripture where they've taken a scripture, completely pulled it out of context and said,
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what you're trying to say with this scripture is anti-Semitic because the Jews killed Jesus.
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And that's like the, actually the deeper conversation here.
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Anytime you get an argument, and this is like, this is so funny to me because I've seen a couple
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of these examples where like Christians don't even think that way.
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Most Christians don't even have that many Jewish friends, especially if you're from the
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And like, that's just, they just don't even have any kind of context or understanding.
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If you're from the Northeast, you have a little bit of a better understanding.
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But the moment this happens, and so this is actually part of the subtext, I think,
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in this tweet, which is like the moment that she says something and he's paying attention
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and he, obviously she's been going after him, he's been going after her,
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whatever's been happening for weeks, months, probably years, who knows?
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This is now, again, reading themselves into the conversation.
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So anyways, it's just, and also, and it's not anti, it's not anti-Semitic to quote Bible
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And by the way, love all my Jewish friends, love all our, our friends.
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We have many, we've been the most pro-Israel in the entire conservative movement.
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We literally, we spend millions of dollars on pro-Israel, millions of dollars, right?
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To, for just to be Christian, like that's just as like at the heart, like there has to be some
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And, and I think Ben is completely in the wrong by trying to read.
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So I think what, what's going on here and, and Tucker gets into this later in the interview
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and it, a lot of it gets extrapolated out is, is really that, you know, I don't necessarily
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think that Candace has come down and said she opposes the IDF going after Hamas or if
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she's, you know, pro October 7th and the attacks on the kibitzes that took place there.
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Uh, I think what we really have here is this is a fault line for a lot of people on the
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right that comes down to sort of more of that America first versus heavy American interventionism.
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You know, some people would say neoconservative type of, of stripe that exists on the right
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in America today, in American conservatism today.
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Whereas in America first, or we'll, we'll look at this and say, yeah, that's a policing
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action. I support Israel going and do that. Go, go take care of business, go get rid of
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those criminals, take care of what you got to do, keep your people safe all, all for
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it. But someone who's more on the neoconservative side, who's probably supporting Nikki Haley,
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who's probably supporting, uh, intervention in general, you know, not a full on Lindsey
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Graham, but you guys know what I mean. You know, there's, they're saying we need to send
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more money to Israel. We need to send bombs, bullets, weapons, whatever it needs, whatever
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we have to get into. You saw Ron DeSantis, uh, getting into this and I'm not trying to make it
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political, but Ron DeSantis jumped onto this train at one point and his spokesman tried to claim that
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they were sending weapons somehow this weird, you know, conflated. And it was totally, um, debunked
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by the way, but they tried to claim that Ron DeSantis and the administration of Florida
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were sending weapons and body armor to Israel to fight Hamas. And I think a lot of people,
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Tucker included are looking at it and saying, look, you know, that's their fight. Why don't
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you have the same type of emotional response when it comes to the American people? Why don't you have
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the same? And Tucker makes the point about fentanyl. He says, why don't we see this, this type of
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emotional response when it comes to the fentanyl deaths, when it comes to, uh, Candace talks about,
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um, wounded warriors. You could also get into the 22 American veteran suicides per day.
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We just don't see that same level of emotional response from our American political leaders,
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who by the way, are supposed to be on the right when it comes to the American people,
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when it comes to, and this, this fall, keep in mind, this comes in line after the 18 months,
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almost two years now of the Ukraine war, where we saw our politicians were so all in the tank
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for, we've got to fight Ukraine. This is the fight for freedom, but people at home,
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forget about it. Yeah. So go ahead, Blake. Oh no. So it's just, we've got to, so I think we,
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we've set this all up and now we get to the real hammer thing, which is you were saying she set
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this up, but she, you know, got Ben to attack her, you know, six day war style just before the
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Tucker interview drops, but the Tucker interview is recorded before the latest stuff. So were you
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thinking that she set that up because then it makes everything she says in the interview work
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better? No, I mean, again, no, the sequence is just this is that Ben's tweet about Candace resigning
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was because he got a tip that Candace's and Tucker's interview was coming and it was, he was involved
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in that interview and he wanted to play offense calling for her resignation and not be totally
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caught on his heels. That, that is Jack. You agree with that, right? That, that, that seems to be,
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well, I'll just say that the way I read that is probably because, and I'm sorry, but you know,
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and nothing but, and I'm not trying to like start anything, but we remember all the contract disputes
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at the daily wire that came out with the Crowder situation and Crowder had that fantastic scoop with
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the Nashville manifesto. And so I have to imagine, and Candace, by the way, went full to bat for the
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daily wire. She defended Ben on Tim. That's right. And in defending them. But when I, I, when I think
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about the contract that they wanted Crowder to sign, which by the way, didn't seem all that insane to
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me. I didn't like Steven handled all that. Yeah, he didn't, he didn't like it. That's fine. But again,
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this is to your point, Charlie, you know, stuff that should be handled behind closed doors, not out
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in public. I have to imagine that Candace is obviously under a contract that's of similar terms.
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And as such, if the daily wire, whether it's Ben, whether it's somebody else no longer wants her to
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be there anymore, I'm sure, look, we all know Candace, she does not come. She is not, she's not
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a cheap date. Let's put it that way. She's not a cheap date. So they're definitely paid top dollar
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to get Candace to sign with the daily wire. That's why, of course, you know, we offered her millions,
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we offered her millions for thought crime, but you know, what can I say? What can I say? Daily wire came
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in a little bit higher than we did. And so that's not true for the record. Media matters that there's no
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truth to that. But then so 100% true. But anyway, so she's under obligation. Daily wire is under
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obligation. It's too expensive for them to get rid of her. It would also cause too many problems.
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So of course, Ben comes out and says, why don't you just quit? And my, my, the thing that I've just
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got a little bit of nagging thought in the back of my head is, you know, is that something that,
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that potentially he wants in that moment is for her to walk away. So he doesn't have to do with it.
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I think he totally wants her to resign. So let's, let's go to some tape here. Let's go to,
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there's several let's play cut 91. So this is the actual Tucker Candace interview. And just so
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everyone is clear that this has just dominated right-wing circles now, right? People are
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everything here. Yeah. Tens of millions. Yes. Play cut 91, please.
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Really? I didn't remember that. Yeah. He was pro the COVID vaccine. I was anti the vaccine. You know,
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we were all idiots for not getting the vaccine. So that's totally fine. I am totally open to people
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having a difference in opinion. Right. I would hope that amongst colleagues that it would always be
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civil disagreement. And I would never in a private event, stand on a table and talk badly about Ben.
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It's a little weird. So he was on the left on those three biggest issues of our time.
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He has converted his opinions. He's accepted responsibility. He said, you know,
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I was wrong about the vaccine. He is, you know, obviously pro pharma, his mom's a doctor. And I
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say to people, I'm very aware of my perspectives on big pharma. And I talk about it on my show openly.
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And I think that that's a tremendous credit to the daily wire that they allow a difference of
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opinions. But I would, as I said, hope that it would remain respectful.
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So just so we're clear, Ben Shapira back in 2020 was going after Elijah Schaefer and said,
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quote, in other words, get the vaccine dopes. And he also was strangely friendly with Gottlieb,
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who was the Pfizer FDA guy that went back and forth. And yeah, I mean, he was a big pusher of
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the vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. Ben was also a very big pusher and still is of the Ukrainian war effort
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and has been. And also, I think he was pretty good on BLM or race.
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So yeah, he's so Tucker says wrong on the three biggest issues. So was it he pro war in Ukraine?
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He still is. Yeah. Okay. So pro, I assume Ukraine's one COVID and then COVID. And is the third one
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George Floyd BLM? No, I think Ben Ben's actually been traditionally very good on race. I mean,
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that has been actually one of his strongest topics. He's never really wavered on that. Honestly,
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I would imagine it's election integrity is probably the third could be if I were if I were to guess.
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He did attack Derek Chauvin initially over the George Floyd situation. Yeah, I know. But I want
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to give Ben credit for years. He actually carried a lot of the more base takes against BLM, I will say
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to great. He received back back in 14, 15, 16. He was he was one of the sharper critics against BLM and
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all these race hoaxes and stuff. But I don't know if that remains. I don't know. But anyway, that's
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talk. I don't know which three issues Tucker's talking about there. Okay, let's continue,
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though, because this this continue that this it was probably one of the most interesting days on
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the internet ever. Right, Blake? I mean, you have Ben and Ben Shapiro and Candace fighting. Well,
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again, just to remind you, Ben Shapiro pays Candace. This is such bad form. You don't do this. Okay,
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you do not do this. It's and and then there's a bigger issue here, too, which is like he's talking
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about when you employ someone, it doesn't matter who it is. But certainly one of your most highly paid,
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most valuable employees, like you're giving yourself a lot of problems, Charlie, when you're
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going out and talking about basically employee issues, telling people to quit. You can't you
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can't do some of those things like you just you just can't like so you're and again, I don't know
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how their contract structure it exactly and everything else. But like, you're like he's setting
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himself up for like a long term multi million dollar, you know, fight. Why doesn't he just go meet
00:27:53.120
with her? Like go be a leader and be like, Candace, let's work this out. But he's but he's he's he's
00:27:57.760
painting himself into a corner a little bit by saying they're talking about these things publicly
00:28:01.700
like you like like turning point would never we would never let you do this, Charlie, because
00:28:06.920
it'd be like, well, she says something on this. Let's actually play clip clip 90. Okay, great.
00:28:14.720
I think that's fair. And just just for clarity, because I really don't know. Is he your boss?
00:28:18.580
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about Ben's involvement. He's not he's not the CEO of
00:28:24.320
The Daily Wire. He is not making the data into The Daily Wire. And I do want to make it very clear
00:28:28.520
because people are like, how could you possibly save Daily Wire after this? I have a very good
00:28:32.420
relationship with the co CEOs, The Daily Wire. I don't want that video to become a reflection of
00:28:37.520
how The Daily Wire works. The Daily Wire operates because I have had a very good experience with the
00:28:43.460
CEOs. And, you know, love Michael Knowles, love Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan. We all get along really
00:28:50.400
great. So here's 94. The last time Candace, Ben and I were all pictured together. There you go. See
00:28:56.700
I don't know. I don't know. Charlie, what's going on with your Rivolino test right there, man?
00:29:03.880
Yeah, the green lines. Let's put some green lines on that. Yeah.
00:29:06.960
Get the green lines up, folks. I don't know why people are laughing.
00:29:09.960
Because it's funny, Charlie. Hey, when you're with, when you're with, it's funny. And Ben is
00:29:15.480
actually standing on a box there. You wouldn't realize it. But, you know, but you got to lean
00:29:19.980
in when you're with people that are half your height. You guys have the same belt. What's up
00:29:24.240
with that? Coordinated. Anyway, sorry. People were, people were wondering. So I guess this
00:29:29.380
will help set up the next topic, too, which I think a lot of people could guess what the
00:29:32.340
next thing will be, which is, you know, so it starts off as this fight between Candace and
00:29:37.640
Tucker. But it's also becoming symbolic for, I think, a larger thought crime dispute that
00:29:45.740
is happening in the wake of kind of the new Gaza war, which is, let me see which number
00:29:52.720
it is because our numbers are a bit jumbled up here. Well, Tucker also said something similar
00:29:56.220
in his interview, too. It's kind of this all of a sudden ADL's on defense.
00:30:01.660
Yeah, they're on defense. But, you know, it's as we've highlighted, which is, you know, a lot of
00:30:05.980
people have jumbled up their opinions because of this recent conflict. They've realized a lot of
00:30:11.380
people on the left hate us. A lot of stuff is going on. And, you know, so we have donors who
00:30:16.820
are pulling donations from this or that nonprofit or especially colleges. And a lot of us are very
00:30:22.860
grateful for that. But what we see in clip number 92 here is Tucker and a lot of others are asking,
00:30:28.040
OK, that's great. But OK, why is it that this is when it started? And they're like mad about the
00:30:33.540
timing of it. Let's just play number 92. However, then I thought, well, wait a second. If the biggest
00:30:39.520
donors that say Harvard have decided, well, we're going to shut it down now, where were you the
00:30:44.140
last 10 years? And that's what Jenna said. You were allowing this. And then I found myself really
00:30:48.580
hating those people, actually, that you're OK with that. On what grounds were you OK with that?
00:30:53.120
And this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby, that what you are seeing is
00:30:56.400
lack of support is people that are asking the question is, where were you as we have endured
00:31:00.480
all of you were paying for it, actually? Right. You were paying for it. You were you were paying
00:31:03.960
for it. You were calling my children immoral for their skin color. You paid for that.
00:31:08.540
And so why shouldn't I be mad at you? I don't understand.
00:31:13.820
He said, shut it down. ADL is not going to like that one.
00:31:18.860
Wait, so why is that? Why do you say that? Candace said the smartest thing here,
00:31:22.320
which is I have received, not hundreds, dozens of really well-meaning messages and calls from Jews
00:31:29.920
saying, why is the right not standing with Israel? I'm like, honestly, guys, where were you when all
00:31:34.360
the white people were called for death? Yeah. Like, where were you when the University of Chicago
00:31:38.360
said we need to have a class against whiteness, right? Yeah. I mean, no. I mean, a lot of like
00:31:44.540
liberal Jews were funding this stuff. And we've said that on this show. And so excuse us while we're a
00:31:49.900
little bit less, I mean, like, again, we're supporting Israel, but like when our enthusiasm
00:31:54.720
wanes, when I don't know, like white people have been, it's been in vogue to kill us.
00:32:01.240
Yeah. It's, I mean, we have like people go on these like, you know, stabbing frenzies or,
00:32:06.800
you know, they'll, they'll shoot cops and it's very clearly driven by, you know, this like
00:32:11.400
vocal, like kind of deranged anti-white animus in, in the media, which has been highlighted.
00:32:16.900
Institutionalized. Institutionalized. Um, I do think, you know, you can pull that back
00:32:21.880
and say, you know, even if they didn't realize it till now and, you know, to quote another
00:32:25.820
Bible verse, you know, it's like you pay the same wage to the laborer, even if he only
00:32:29.280
comes in in the afternoon and, you know, it's good if they realize it through this lens,
00:32:34.140
but there is definitely frustration from, you know, Tucker shows it and a lot of other people
00:32:40.080
are showing it that, yeah, it's like, you know, you didn't see what was extremely obvious
00:32:45.940
until, until this new incident. And a lot of people are upset about that. Yeah. Um, whether
00:32:52.160
it's fair or whether that means you shouldn't, uh, you know, it should change how you feel
00:32:55.940
about this current issue. I think that can be debated of course, but it's very, it's
00:33:00.520
definitely a very jarring evolution to see. And you're seeing a lot more vocal criticism
00:33:05.480
of, I guess, of Israel and how people feel about it than certainly I, than I, I have
00:33:11.280
ever remember in my lifetime. Well, yeah. And then there's also this, this moral expectation
00:33:16.560
of you must now fight for Israel. You must now fight for this very hard and aggressively,
00:33:21.720
which is fine. Everyone has issues they care about, but then we're like, well, time out
00:33:26.740
guys. I mean, weren't you also just simultaneously on board for the Floyd stuff, the CRT stuff,
00:33:31.800
you know, and, and now you want us to come into the arena. Well, and I think this is the
00:33:37.040
point, right. And I just dropped in the chat about how some of America's biggest corporate
00:33:41.840
leaders are like, meanwhile, while all this is going on, right. And any district distraction
00:33:46.720
that's going to take place in the media is going to happen. The biggest corporate leaders
00:33:50.840
in America are plotting, uh, the CCP and San Francisco. So, and they're doing this whole,
00:33:56.760
this whole thing, but this is the point. I think that's the very important element in
00:34:01.660
how we frame this and talk about this is, Hey, if none of these other things, these other
00:34:05.700
problems that you've allowed to, to mustache, uh, metastasize, uh, have grown, then maybe
00:34:13.560
people would have a lot more energy to be able to do that. But we're fighting a multifaceted
00:34:17.500
war here where you've allowed for the anti-white rhetoric and the burning down of our cities
00:34:23.880
to exist. You have now allowed the CCP into our country where they're literally again, and
00:34:29.660
many of these, these, these leaders of these corporations are Jewish by the way, where's the
00:34:34.680
conversation about that? I don't think the CCP is going to be on our side and the defense of
00:34:39.120
Israel last I checked. Yes, exactly. So what, what are you doing? What are we doing? So how about
00:34:44.680
getting on our side a little bit more? How about, you know, many, many prominent leaders in the
00:34:50.160
Jewish community, recognizing that you have more friends in the Republican sphere and the
00:34:54.800
conservative sphere that you do on the Democrats? And there is some positive, um, movement. Mark
00:35:01.440
Rowan, Leon Copperman have, you know, pulled gifts from university of Pennsylvania. We're starting to
00:35:05.880
see more and more, um, you know, uh, traction there, but the big one now, Blake is the richest man on the
00:35:14.640
planet. Exactly. Exactly. So that's the second topic here. So obviously we have the fight between,
00:35:19.540
you know, Ben and Candace, but the same time this is happening, literally the same minutes we're
00:35:24.840
texting back and forth about both. Uh, there's, uh, you know, Musk is, Elon Musk is on Twitter all
00:35:30.660
the time or X, I guess we should, we should be respectful to his new name. He's on it all the
00:35:34.700
time. He's replying to all these people and it just goes, uh, incredibly viral. So kind of for full
00:35:40.560
context, there was this ad that aired on, um, it was airing on television, but it was posted to
00:35:47.940
Twitter and it was sort of this very, uh, do we have, uh, yes. So this is the clip that got it
00:35:55.520
going. And so this is an advertisement. It's about a minute long, but it's, uh, I can, let's just play
00:36:00.560
it. 78. I saw what you've been posting. Hitler was right.
00:36:17.940
I didn't teach you that. You hide behind your screen, spewing all this hatred and ugliness.
00:36:28.900
You got something you want to say? Get out of the truck and say it to their faces.
00:36:45.600
Is that ADL? Uh, it was stand up to Jewish hate. I can't remember. I think that is a project that
00:37:07.140
ADL. Okay. And so a lot of people got, it's a powerful ad. It's, it's not the, I, a lot of
00:37:11.740
people got really angry. I didn't think it was super bad. It doesn't anger. I'm just saying
00:37:14.720
cinematically, objectively, that's, that's powerfully done. So what people got angry about
00:37:18.600
is they thought this fueled what, what's kind of a trope in the media. If, if you want to use that
00:37:25.520
term, which is, you know, it's like this, you know, it's this white dad and his white kid,
00:37:30.280
like very normal American and, you know, kind of mainstreaming the idea that like, oh yeah,
00:37:35.800
the source of antisemitism in American life is, you know, normie Americans who love Hitler and
00:37:42.100
want to do the second Holocaust. And, you know, people saying like, no, the source of, you know,
00:37:47.860
most antisemitism and especially the most violent, deranged antisemitism is, uh, you know, a lot of,
00:37:54.660
you know, groups that we've brought into America recently that have been coddled by the left,
00:37:58.820
you know, the Ilhan Omar of the world, the Rashida's Tlaib of the world. And like, that's the actual
00:38:04.780
source of antisemitism in American life, especially the people who are going to do something really
00:38:09.840
vicious. You know, the people who are throwing rocks and vandalizing, you know, synagogues and
00:38:14.580
all of that. And instead they sort of directed again at the safe target, which is just normal
00:38:21.880
Americans who in reality are just like, no one has ever been more pro Jewish and pro Israel
00:38:28.540
than just, you know, the normal American white middle class.
00:38:33.500
So I want to know after that ad, how many more Googles of Hitler was right are going to
00:38:40.640
be afterwards. And the follow-up ad, which was, there were 140,000 because of your ad here.
00:38:50.500
How many of that 70,000 did you guys actually instigate?
00:38:53.940
And so, so then this leads to just real quick. So that's what the video was. And then Elon Musk's
00:39:00.040
tweet, which is, uh, was he responding to the video? So it happens as 86. So some guy I've never
00:39:06.720
heard of breaking bot, the artist formerly known as Eric, he tweets this, uh, okay. Jewish communities
00:39:13.740
have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want
00:39:19.980
people to stop using against them. I'm deeply dis, uh, crap. I don't have the whole tweet here.
00:39:25.360
I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest bleep now about Western Jewish populations coming to the
00:39:32.080
disturbing, uh, crud. Can we get the rest of this? Let me, let me, let me pull it up. Guys, this is too
00:39:38.000
confusing. People can't track this. You got, you got to be more precise. Okay. So the point is this guy
00:39:43.660
is essentially tweeting that Jewish groups have stoked anti-white hatred rather than, uh, put the
00:39:50.760
focus on, as he says, um, I think hordes of minorities who have been brought into the U S who
00:39:57.040
have actual more antisemitic views. And then all that happens is Musk replies, you have said the
00:40:03.020
actual truth. Okay. Let's summarize. What is the, so this tweet that he said, the actual truth is the
00:40:07.320
following that, that Jewish people have done what? That they have pushed dialectical hatred.
00:40:13.500
Against whites. Okay. So that, that is largely true, isn't it? Well, so dialectical hatred is sort
00:40:19.720
of, it's like a weird buzzword. That's sort of saying they have this like Talmudic drive towards
00:40:26.020
hating whites, I think, which that's kind of a weird take. Uh, but I think the basic idea that there
00:40:32.140
are, especially on the left, like the ADL, that there have been, uh, publicly, uh, overtly Jewish
00:40:40.520
organizations that have promoted left-wing stuff that favors like open borders for the United States
00:40:46.700
while also. So I think what, what Elon was focusing on here to defend Elon, because I mean, I wouldn't
00:40:52.940
say that every Jewish person hates white people. I don't, I don't think that's fair. So I don't,
00:40:57.240
I think what, well, I don't know what Elon will have to defend himself, but I do think that it's fair
00:41:02.680
to say, hold on a second. Their major institutions funded by Jewish people, colleges and nonprofits
00:41:09.380
have been the biggest sponsors intellectually and politically of the importation of the third
00:41:15.180
world into the West and of anti-white sentiments, Jack or Tyler first. Well, I was just going to say
00:41:20.460
real quick, in corporations, right. And, and then also the large Jewish populations that have a
00:41:26.060
responsibility to protect their own community and to stand against this, this type of stuff where this
00:41:30.520
is happening in inner cities where there's, there are larger Jewish populations as well. New York,
00:41:35.600
Philadelphia, a lot, a lot in the Northeast. Well, and so Jack, I mean, just for example, BLM is a
00:41:41.020
great example of this, right? So, so Jack, what was Elon saying? This is a, I'll be honest, this is a
00:41:47.300
weird tweet. I, I, I, I've, I've read it three or four times. It doesn't, I don't think it's easy to
00:41:53.020
understand what this guy was. I sort of get it right. But Jack, you gotta, you gotta interpret it again.
00:41:57.640
I'm, I'm not a moron. So you gotta, you gotta help me out here. Like dialectical hatred. I mean,
00:42:02.700
I know what that means, but I just, I don't, it doesn't resonate. Yeah. I think in, well, in the
00:42:06.660
context, keep in mind that he's, this tweet is a response to the video, which we just played.
00:42:11.480
So this is commentary on that same video. Okay. That's helpful to know. Okay. And so the commentary
00:42:16.940
point being, and I threw this out there as well earlier. So this is a Bob craft funded video,
00:42:21.460
uh, funded through this organization, stop anti-Jewish hate. Um, then they put out this
00:42:27.000
video that's promoting the Roscoe's from Arkansas trope. So I call it the Roscoe trope. This was
00:42:32.940
created by, uh, the guy, the professor, Canadian professor Gad said, who said that Roscoe's from
00:42:38.140
Arkansas with have, uh, from the river to the sea tattooed on their forehead. And I responded to him
00:42:45.120
saying, I don't think it's Roscoe's from Arkansas that are marching in these pro-Palestine
00:42:51.120
pro-Hamas marches across the West, storming Westminster Abbey, by the way, last night,
00:42:58.740
Gad. And then he blocked me for saying that. Yes. It's a bizarre thing. And so,
00:43:03.900
Blake, if I could just finish. And so what I, what I think Elon is pointing out here is that there,
00:43:08.700
there is a sort of cognitive dissonance because they're attacking a group, which by the way,
00:43:14.460
by and large, probably when you're talking about the South and the Midwest, that's a lot of
00:43:19.220
evangelicals, a lot of Baptist, Southern Baptist convention. This is a very pro-Israel, like
00:43:24.020
probably the most pro-Israel group in America. These, and just in general, these are also salt
00:43:29.560
to the earth people. They're not the ones that you should be worried about, but unfortunately it
00:43:34.260
is the people that we've been importing into this country and probably, and Trump of course has been
00:43:38.640
out there saying that we should look at deportations, canceling visas. Many people of all studies are also
00:43:43.240
coming out now saying that a lot of the organizers of these events actually are here on student visas
00:43:48.680
or otherwise some sort of temporary visa to the United States. And so we should be looking at
00:43:55.140
pulling those things because we are actually importing people into our, and let's just say
00:44:00.020
civilization that are not part of it, that don't share our values and that are actually for attacking
00:44:05.380
it and the things that we hold dear. It's as simple as that. And so I think when you look at,
00:44:10.140
in terms of this, I think what Elon is actually saying here is that you guys need the redirect
00:44:15.040
fire. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Yes. Like, and this is the point too. We just saw,
00:44:21.940
and this is again, to refocus this, forget even the people from outside the country who are coming
00:44:27.480
into this country via our university systems and getting visas to attend that have all of these
00:44:33.440
really radical viewpoints that support an anti-Jewish state. Here is the bigger issue is like,
00:44:40.540
you look at ASU the other night, we have had some really incredible student leaders that we've
00:44:45.840
supported through Turning Point USA that have defended against BDS for years. This last, this last week
00:44:53.400
at Arizona State University, Swing State Arizona, Arizona State University, there is a push to pass a BDS
00:45:02.040
resolution, which hasn't been passed in like 10 years, mainly because of what's going on outside
00:45:07.240
the windows. When the student body president gets up and says, we're not doing this. Everyone go home,
00:45:11.820
which was a great, great kid. Great move. Uh, they start throwing rocks outside. So I throw rocks
00:45:18.920
through the windows that those aren't kids from international homes. You know who those are?
00:45:25.000
Those are white, ultra liberal, ultra Marxist kids who have been completely indoctrinated, uh,
00:45:33.520
through the universities at these mega state funded university campuses here in the United States.
00:45:39.560
And, and so you have to look at this and go, you look at the, the Soviet mantra, the CCP mantra,
00:45:44.880
they want chaos. They want division from within. They want to support this craziness. This is happening.
00:45:50.100
Where I will disagree with the tweet is I don't agree with this and this part, because I had to
00:45:55.380
read, I don't think this is well-written. I'll be honest. It sounds like someone who's trying to be
00:45:58.360
too smart. I'll be honest. It doesn't, I've read this three or four times. You have to read something
00:46:01.720
four times. It's, it's, it's on them, not you. That's the Dennis Prager rule for something. No,
00:46:06.720
it's true. He taught me that. He's where he said, quote, I'm deeply disinterested in giving the
00:46:11.100
tiniest, you know, S H I T now. Incorrect use of disinterested, by the way. That's what I'm saying.
00:46:18.280
This is not well-written. I, I, this, anyway, I don't know who this person is, but about Western
00:46:23.380
Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities
00:46:27.040
that support flooding their country don't exactly, I, I disagree. I actually do support. I,
00:46:31.600
I am interested in Jewish people waking up. I, I don't, I don't agree with that. I, am I,
00:46:37.660
am I a little bit like, where have you been? Yeah. At the same time, I think it's good if Jews
00:46:41.380
are pulling their money from universities. So I, I don't agree with, I, that's where he's like,
00:46:45.800
I'm deeply disinterested. There's this huge bitterness to it. No, but I, would you be,
00:46:50.040
but if, if Elon is saying the truthful part is that, that Jewish donors have primarily turned
00:46:55.380
a blind eye to anti-white, anti-Western stuff to support elitist institutions. And they thought
00:47:00.660
that, okay, fine. Yeah. But the part of the tweet I don't like is I am actually super interested in
00:47:05.440
Jews waking up. It's so bitter. Like you were mad for years that these groups were like funding all
00:47:10.900
of this stuff while you're like, guys, it's all going to blow up in your face. And now it's blown
00:47:14.900
up in their faces. And a lot of people are realizing that was a huge mistake. I think we should support
00:47:17.660
any community waking up though. Right. I don't think we should be like, no, I'm, I think, yeah,
00:47:21.820
I'm not interested in your awakening. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, can you go back? I want to go back to
00:47:26.520
not liking you. Such a good point. Yeah. And so, all right. So now we have to talk about the fire
00:47:31.600
because we don't really know what Elon's talking about here. Cause he kind of does. He does follow up
00:47:37.200
tweets that make it very clear. So he talks about, if you have it, Jack, go ahead and bring
00:47:42.440
it up. Otherwise I'll try to race to bring it up here. Cause he does some follow up tweets that
00:47:47.540
just clarify that he's talking about the ADL as opposed to other stuff. Let me try to find
00:47:52.700
it quickly. Tyler, you talk while I bring it up. I can continue here. So again, they're saying
00:47:58.440
it's antisemitic and all this. I got it. And I just, the, the, the, the part of the paragraph
00:48:03.920
that I think is a hundred percent true. Jewish communities have been pushing the exact type
00:48:08.200
of threat. It's dialectical. You're being too cute by half men. Yeah. Hatred. Okay. Let's
00:48:11.720
just get rid of that word. It's you don't understand Hegel probably. So just get out of
00:48:15.060
the way. Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that
00:48:19.400
they claim to want people to stop using against them. That is true. True. Right. The next
00:48:24.080
part is you're, you're not interested in people waking up. I don't like that. So that's
00:48:28.500
just as a, here's, it's kind of elitist. It's also, as Blake said, it's bitter and I don't
00:48:33.500
like bitterness in our politics. If blacks want to wake up against the Democrats, God
00:48:36.980
bless them. If Jews want to wake up against the left, God bless them. Will it actually
00:48:40.600
stick? I don't know. Okay. Then there's this tweet from Elon. Okay. So first he
00:48:45.200
tweets, uh, okay. The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority
00:48:54.080
of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot by their
00:48:59.080
own tenants criticize the minority groups that are their primary threat. It is not
00:49:04.640
right. And it needs to stop. He talks a bit more. Uh, and then there's another reply that
00:49:08.660
he does again at the risk of being repetitive. I am deeply offended by ADL's messaging and any
00:49:15.860
other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.
00:49:24.300
I'm sick of it. Stop now. And in the midst of this, honestly, God bless him for saying
00:49:29.060
in the midst of all this, he replies to another tweet where he says, when people talk about
00:49:32.260
decolonization, they mean destroying like the Jewish state and that's, they mean a Jewish
00:49:36.720
genocide and that's unacceptable. He's right. And so he's just very much this guy in the middle
00:49:42.480
saying like, I don't like anti-Semitism and I don't like anti-white racism or anti-Asian
00:49:49.400
racism. They're all bad. And then you have, you know, these political actors in the media
00:49:55.420
like blowing up at him. So Jake Tapper replies last night, right after this happens, Elon Musk
00:50:01.820
pushing unvarnished anti-Semitism. What would varnished anti-Semitism be by the way? Unvarnished
00:50:08.240
anti-Semitism at a time of rising anti-Semitism. I think people get so mad on Twitter, their grammar
00:50:14.780
just disappears. And he's like rising anti-Semitism and violence against Jews. Elon Musk is the
00:50:21.080
real sinister actor here. And then Yair Rosenberg over at the Atlantic puts out Elon Musk's
00:50:28.660
disturbing truth. The billionaire affirmed the deadliest anti-Semitic conspiracy theory in
00:50:35.200
recent American history. Very fast. They did this all very fast. Yeah. I mean, it's almost as if,
00:50:41.520
you know, well, Yair Rosenberg has been obsessed with Musk for months. So he had another headline
00:50:45.340
all the way back in May when criticizing George Soros is not inherently anti-Semitic, but casting
00:50:52.460
him as an avatar of evil. So George Soros funds all of the woke stuff that has led to the most amount
00:51:00.640
of anti-Semitism in America that we've had probably since, you know, pre-1940. That's correct. And,
00:51:08.720
and they can't take this. This is the, this is the awakening that's happening in the back dark
00:51:16.060
closets of newsrooms right now, which is like, holy crap, we're like losing ground now with Jews.
00:51:21.540
We're losing ground with blacks. We're losing ground with Hispanics. And Donald Trump's going to see
00:51:28.340
maybe like a five to 10 point spike in all these communities and inner cities. Like we are in really
00:51:33.520
big trouble, like really big trouble because that's the only way they can survive is when they
00:51:38.340
don't have to worry about when you look at how they have to chase their, their votes and everything
00:51:41.920
else. This is all they care about. They care about these, these issues as it pertains to the next
00:51:47.900
election. And so it's, it's really, it's really eyeopening. Yeah. And what I think is the bigger
00:51:53.860
takeaway again, cause I I've reread that tweet now for the sixth time. I wish Elon would have picked a
00:51:57.820
different tweet because it's not that smart. The, it is some good, some bad is that the world's
00:52:03.340
richest man is identifying anti-white racism and anti-Asian racism as a moral cancer. Jack, that's an
00:52:12.880
Overton window win that literally during Floydapalooza during the race riots, if you would have told us
00:52:20.180
three years later, the wealthiest man on the planet would be talking about anti-white racism.
00:52:27.600
We were Jack, you and I together, we were on an Island on that with very few allies, right? In the
00:52:33.580
calendar year of 2020, talking about the war on white people, you know, black squares. And now the
00:52:39.460
world's wealthiest man is saying, by the way, this is a moral toxin. Let's just kind of take a step
00:52:46.440
back. Something we're doing is working as far as moving the, forget all the political stuff. We'll sort
00:52:53.460
that out later. This is a huge advancement. Charlie, Jack, you know, let's, let's take,
00:53:00.120
let's take it even back further than that. Let's look at, so we just crossed the one year mark of
00:53:05.040
Elon purchasing Twitter, renaming it X.com has the propensity for freedom of speech increased or
00:53:14.080
decreased in that one year. It's Maggie magnanimously increased. It's so huge. It's absolutely enormous.
00:53:22.320
The fact that people are now able, and now, and again, people will say, well, these are, you know,
00:53:26.660
these are controversial takes. People are just being more controversial. I disagree because when
00:53:30.880
we're talking about freedom of speech, when the founders, you know, not to get all like, like
00:53:34.480
boomer con on everybody, but when the founders were talking about freedom of political speech,
00:53:38.360
they obviously meant things that were not politically correct to say, but may actually be true.
00:53:45.100
And so Elon, he's the kind of guy, because he has this sort of engineering mind, this engineering
00:53:51.220
background, you know, he just wants to solve the problem. He doesn't care about all the, you know,
00:53:56.260
the shibboleths in between. He doesn't care about taboos. He doesn't care about social niceties. He
00:54:00.720
just wants to solve the problem when he's, you know, he wants to put people on Mars, right? What's the
00:54:04.940
best way to put people on Mars? I don't care what race, color, gender, the, the team is of scientists
00:54:10.920
that are building the rockets and building the colonies. I just want to put people on Mars.
00:54:15.000
So he's laser focused on something like that. And when you have that type of mind and you look,
00:54:20.320
and then someone else comes to you and says, oh, well, we need to, we need to make sure that we
00:54:24.180
have this quotient and this quotient. You're not allowed to use that verb. You know, Trump mentions
00:54:28.540
the word, use the word vermin the other day. And some, somehow it's immediately connected to Hitler
00:54:33.460
when it's obviously just a word that kind of popped into his mouth because he was talking about
00:54:37.240
people that he viewed as pests, right? He was talking about Antifa. He was
00:54:40.880
talking about communists, right? There's no direct connection whatsoever. It doesn't matter
00:54:44.840
if Vivek Ramaswamy is, is forced to then, you know, try to respond to this on CNN. It's ridiculous.
00:54:50.100
The whole thing is ridiculous on its face and it always has been. So the fact that Elon bought X,
00:54:55.480
which I don't think is something that anyone Elon included could have actually predicted prior to it
00:55:01.620
actually happening. I would say not only has been an unmitigated force for good in the world,
00:55:07.580
it's also driven us towards number one, uh, more freedom, which by the way is driving peace in the
00:55:15.600
world. I would say, you know what? Elon Musk, Nobel peace prize. Go for it. Honestly, the liberation of
00:55:20.880
X is one of the biggest wins for Liberty in a generation. What Elon did is what billions of
00:55:26.180
dollars of money in conservative nonprofits never could have done. I mean, would you agree? I mean,
00:55:30.220
I never got in a million years, it will go down. Even if tomorrow, like the white paper, even if
00:55:35.560
today the FBI came in and shut down all of X, what has already been accomplished, the ideas that are
00:55:41.260
now allowed to get out there is already significantly enriched our discourse. Yes. And this far into 2024
00:55:48.920
too, the closer we get to the election. I mean, they're going to just try to shut that. And the
00:55:54.140
obsession I'm thinking about is I think really hurting them. Cause like, first of all, it's just
00:55:58.660
inherently absurd to say that Elon Musk is an anti-Semite. Like how many Semites do you think
00:56:03.940
that Elon Musk has had to employ at Tesla, at SpaceX, at any of his companies to make them
00:56:09.420
successful? It's just a sloppy, shallow, stupid argument. I'll bet like 70% of Elon Musk's friends
00:56:13.540
are literally Jewish probably like in like Austin tech scene. Okay. Yeah. And they're like, so,
00:56:20.020
and it's exposing how political it is that they're so obsessed with taking Musk down because
00:56:24.460
he brought, uh, you know, free speech back that he's had these successful companies that he's sort
00:56:29.140
of not on the, uh, you know, on the democratic, uh, you know, they can't keep him on their plantation
00:56:35.280
as it were. And so they're, you know, they've been obsessed for months with taking him down. And so
00:56:43.700
they're, they're seizing on this. So immediately, you know, Jake Tapper comes out,
00:56:47.220
Yair Rosenberg comes out and they're like, they're screaming anti-Semitism at him. So it's
00:56:51.980
immediate. Yeah. And on drudge. And so it's immediately exposing that this is just a weaponized
00:56:56.600
political attack on him. It's going to fail. And then it's going to, I think, cause a wider
00:57:02.860
realization of this. And then also, you know, as far as, you know, donors matter, Elon Musk is the
00:57:07.500
richest man in the world. He has a ton of friends who are also billionaires. I think in the small,
00:57:13.200
much smaller social world of ultra rich Americans who are invested in politics, I think this is going
00:57:20.620
to cause a major revision in how a lot of them maybe view the, uh, you know, elite Democrat media
00:57:26.280
establishment, both in terms of seeing the hostility they can bring against you, how they don't share
00:57:31.640
your interests, the threat that they can be to you. And yeah, maybe if they destroy Musk, they can sort
00:57:37.100
of terrorize these people into quiet, into publicly acquiescing. I think behind the scenes, there's
00:57:43.340
going to be a lot more, uh, wealthy Americans who are, are very opposed to this. I can hope
00:57:48.600
anyway. I just, I mean, as, as, go ahead, Jack. No, I was going to actually ask you something
00:57:53.540
because there's a point that you made recently. It's a, it's a trend. I would say that you identified,
00:57:57.500
um, that I think actually is playing out here. Do you think that this is an example of, by the
00:58:03.480
way, Blake, you mentioned, um, you know, Jewish people that Elon's friends, very close friends
00:58:07.720
with David Sachs. They're clearly, you know, work together very, very closely. They've, they've
00:58:12.340
done a lot together. Um, you know, I'd love to see them, you know, on a stage together, maybe
00:58:16.940
at a stage somewhere soon. Um, and Charlie, you mentioned something before about how it's
00:58:22.660
like this Gen X uprising. That's sort of, there's this Gen X pragmatism versus the sort of like
00:58:29.260
baby boomer moralism that we're seeing go on right now. Do you think what Elon is doing
00:58:35.120
is playing into that right now? Is this not a trend? I have this repeated theory where
00:58:39.140
I think there is this volcano of Gen X that is going to erupt. And it is, they're so sick
00:58:45.320
of baby boomers. They've always been under the shadow of baby boomers. They're also exhausted
00:58:50.000
that millennials are basically overtaking them. They are the closest thing to a forgotten generation
00:58:55.580
in the modern era ever. And they actually wield a significant amount of energy and power.
00:59:00.720
And right now they're up, they're upticking as far as their top of their career. So just
00:59:05.460
everyone knows what ages we're talking about. People born between 1965 and 1980, right? So
00:59:11.340
specifically like mid seventies is when they were born. So these are people in their late forties,
00:59:17.400
early fifties or late fifties, right? So they're, they're definitely culturally different
00:59:21.300
than baby boomers. They have not had adequate representation in corporate life, in politics,
00:59:27.600
in media. Ron DeSantis is Gen X, for example, Elon Musk is Gen X, right? And so my theory continues
00:59:35.360
that Tucker, um, yeah, Tucker is Gen X. They view the world completely differently than baby boomers.
00:59:42.240
They feel as if they've been passed over because it's true. They've been waiting their turn for their
00:59:47.500
whole life. They've been waiting like, okay, eventually we're gonna, we're gonna be in charge
00:59:51.520
and it just hasn't materialized that much. And they see the country falling apart. And I think the,
00:59:59.080
the, the right wing tilt of Gen X is going to be one of the most promising political trends. Um,
01:00:05.540
in and we, yeah, I mean, we see it with, you say Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel, 1967. Yeah. So,
01:00:12.340
I mean, but you could, you go one by one by one, right? And they are, yes. I mean, yeah,
01:00:18.620
you go through the list. You're like, wow, that's, that's a pattern. Um, and the pattern
01:00:23.600
is really exciting. And so anyway, the point is this, is that Elon Musk in some ways is almost
01:00:30.760
pushing back against institutional boomer norms. And that's, what's really driving this is that,
01:00:36.700
you know, him even signaling this out is, I had a boomer come up to me and we, and not a great donor.
01:00:44.280
We just had an amazing lunch with really amazing. People get so mad when we, when we talk this way,
01:00:48.840
but you're, you're, you're just trying to categorize the situation. And this is, this is not even a bad
01:00:54.500
thing. And he says, man, he says, we would not even be allowed to say the word Jew. When I grew up,
01:00:59.940
he said, how are you guys even able to say this? And he's like, it kind of makes me uncomfortable
01:01:05.020
as a boomer, Charlie, when you say Jewish dollars are funding left-wing stuff. He's like, it's true.
01:01:10.360
He's like, you're so courageous. And I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, what,
01:01:15.180
what world do you live in? Like, I love Jewish people, but I'm also not gonna like censor my
01:01:21.020
speech because of some sort of cultural sort of Damocles. And he was, and God bless him. He was so
01:01:26.640
honest. He was like, I don't understand how you guys are able to talk about this. He's like,
01:01:31.840
I'm afraid that I'm playing into some trope. And we, and he said, if I would have said what you
01:01:35.880
guys say now, he's like, I would have lost my job, been canceled, censored, and kicked out to the
01:01:40.880
curb. Elon is kind of looking at boomer norms. It's like, nah, not going to do that, Blake.
01:01:47.660
So it's just an, you know, another dimension of this, which is so, uh, APAC, the American Israel
01:01:54.180
public affairs committee, a major lobby group in the U S very pro Israel, of course. And they've sort of,
01:02:00.060
it's recently been revealed that they're gearing up to spend a hundred million dollars in the 2024
01:02:05.320
congressional races. And their objective is to knock out the so-called members of the squad,
01:02:11.400
AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, um, Presley. There's a few others who've joined a Bowman,
01:02:17.700
I think as a member. And, you know, obviously they're the left wing of the democratic party.
01:02:21.500
They're some of the most critical, uh, of Israel to leave, of course, just got censured in Congress,
01:02:25.720
or at least they had that did pass. Yes. And so their idea is, okay, we're going to unseat them.
01:02:32.540
Well, obviously that means you're going to bankroll people in the Democrat primaries. They're all in
01:02:36.420
incredibly blue seats. No Republican's going to win those. And I think it's very telling that that's
01:02:41.040
their priority, that they're sort of, they're thinking, okay, there's this bubbling up of anti-Israel
01:02:47.340
sentiment in the democratic party, but like, no, the democratic party, that's, you know, that's our
01:02:50.980
party. We're just going to, you know, have a really highly paid challenger and they'll knock
01:02:55.680
these people off and we'll be fine. And I think what they'll find is this is going to be a lot
01:03:00.300
harder than they expect. They're going to be, I think, very surprised by how little enthusiasm there
01:03:05.540
is in these hyper blue districts for this sort of priority for knocking these people out. And
01:03:11.620
so they'll be caught off guard by that. And even if they win, they'll just see more of this bubbling up
01:03:17.320
because this is the trend in the democratic party, but they would rather do this than just,
01:03:20.360
I think, except what is most obvious, which is the most naturally pro-Jewish population in America
01:03:27.240
is just the right. The Roscoe's. The Roscoe's from Arkansas. Hold on a second. Let me play devil's
01:03:34.260
advocate here. So I had a different gut reaction. So the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee,
01:03:39.220
AIPAC, is going to spend $100 million to go after AOC, Ilan Omar, Jamal Bowman, Ayanna Pressley,
01:03:44.980
some other black woman that I don't know, probably a lesbian, Rashida Tlaib, and then another black
01:03:49.240
woman, Ayanna Pressley. So it's all of them. So my initial reaction was completely different.
01:03:54.300
I'm just going to be honest. I said, honestly, God bless moderate Jews for wanting to spend money
01:03:59.760
against Democrats. Because, I mean, I guess my-
01:04:03.140
But they're spending on other Democrats, which, okay, I get it.
01:04:06.840
I get that. But you and I both know then that Democrat, that's a fair point. That's a fair
01:04:12.720
point. But I guess the question is, would you rather see AIPAC spend $100 million on the ADL
01:04:20.620
or say, hey, we're going to go primary Marjorie Taylor Greene, right? I mean, I think it's a
01:04:27.440
somewhat promising thing that they've identified. The AOC now has to go do fundraisers. She now has
01:04:33.800
to go defend her turf, right? Now let's talk politically, Tyler. This is probably a good
01:04:37.900
thing. Misdirection of resources, right? Energy, time. Honestly, that's what I don't like about
01:04:43.020
that Elon tweet that he responded to. I think it's a good thing that Jewish donors are at least
01:04:48.020
signaling out Democrats as the problem. Am I thinking correctly about this, Tyler?
01:04:51.020
Yeah, totally. I mean, we're in a war. And when we lose the worst, right, is when they're able to stack
01:04:59.140
up their resources and attack nothing but Republicans, you have to, and this is really
01:05:05.500
interesting. It's a really interesting point that we have to remind conservatives of all the time
01:05:08.720
is it's all directional. Like you can't turn the ship, right? Like that quickly on things. And so
01:05:15.900
having attacks happen, Democrat on Democrat attacks happen, we need to lean into that,
01:05:21.940
encourage that, encourage that, help that because that's exactly the core, the heartbeat of the
01:05:28.040
problem. And remember that we grow more with, as long as we're prepared, right? With the right
01:05:34.780
resources, the right armies, our own preparation to actually support the right people, do the right
01:05:42.160
thing and get more, gain more conservative ground. But heading into 2024, this is really bad for Democrats
01:05:48.640
because you already have vote splitting and ticket splitting happening with potentially our friend
01:05:55.020
in West Virginia being out. You have Kirsten Sinema here in Arizona. You've got, you know, the RFK
01:06:02.480
junior. I know we're divided on our opinion on that stuff. You've got, you know, Colonel West, you've got,
01:06:08.840
you've got the Green Party nomination here. So you've already got so much splitting, so much resource
01:06:16.740
redirection. And now the question is, it's really to me, Charlie, and this, I think this piggybacks on
01:06:23.040
this conversation, which is not so much, are Democrats going to attack each other and how much,
01:06:28.080
but how prepared are we going to be to take advantage of that situation?
01:06:32.200
Yeah. And I, so I just, having spent time around AIPAC to be on it, and I've been around there,
01:06:37.900
you know, Tyler, I think you have too, right? Yep. There's a ton of Democrats at AIPAC,
01:06:43.380
right? It's mostly Democrats. Mostly Democrats. It's 80% Democrats. Yeah. And they're Jewish
01:06:47.220
Democrats. So, so Blake, it's not the best use, but isn't it better that Jewish Democrats are going
01:06:54.660
to go deploy money to go at least cause a headache and havoc amongst who we consider to be some of the
01:07:00.760
least desirable political creatures in America? Oh, for sure. For sure. Definitely. It is an
01:07:06.000
improvement over what, you know, maybe the worst possible thing they could do is, but we can hope for
01:07:11.800
more. It's, uh, I do think it would be better if, if they were just recognized that, you know,
01:07:18.400
the democratic party is, is, has become, and is going to continue to become something very hostile
01:07:23.620
to, to their interests. And I think it's sort of a, it's a recurring issue, you know, 20 years ago.
01:07:30.600
So you might not remember this, but about around 2004, Philip Roth, a pretty famous American novelist
01:07:36.000
wrote a book, The Plot Against America. The plot of the book is that it's a alt history novel where
01:07:42.240
Charles Lindbergh wins the 1940 presidential election. And on the, the back of this wave of
01:07:47.800
anti-Semitism in America emanating from Kentucky and the Dakotas and, you know, middle America that
01:07:54.120
we kind of have an, an almost Holocaust in America and we like align with Nazi Germany. And the book is
01:07:59.940
fundamentally pretty deranged because the premise of it is again, that there's this huge reserve
01:08:04.820
of Nazi style anti-Semitism in middle America that, you know, if not for FDR, you know, it all would
01:08:10.560
have bubbled up and it could have all been so horrible. And that doesn't accord with historical
01:08:15.960
reality. Like that's just not where anti-Semitism even was in America at the time. And it was not
01:08:21.020
Yeah, it's a mythology. And it's, we're seeing it manifest today where, you know, we have these
01:08:24.980
people who worry about the Roscoe's who are supposedly going to do all this bad stuff. And I think it's
01:08:30.980
really just what they do is they take normal political views, which is, you know, a lot
01:08:35.520
of, you know, a lot of Jewish people are just liberal in the normal sort of way. You know,
01:08:40.020
they favor more socialist policies, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-trans, normal stuff to
01:08:46.100
be liberal on. But what they do is they take the fact that they disagree with middle Americans
01:08:51.320
on those issues and they sort of transform it into they are anti-Semitic against us when that's
01:08:57.820
just, that's just not true. And in this case, it's leading them into a recurring political
01:09:04.740
failure of not seeing where the real danger to them is of, you know, groups we've brought
01:09:10.280
in that actually are for real anti-Semitic, anti-Israel.
01:09:13.720
Yeah. And so that, that is an interesting question. So I had a call recently with a top
01:09:19.400
level Jewish person in media who I really like, not Dennis Prager, somebody else. And if I were
01:09:24.980
to say what he said, I would be called an anti-Semite just, just to be clear. And I said,
01:09:29.420
honestly, you got, I want the truth. Do you think that a majority of American Jews can ever
01:09:37.880
Yeah. But here's, here's the point on what we just talked about, right? Which is what is
01:09:41.420
going to happen? Let's just, I hate living in, you know, the what ifs, what if this happens,
01:09:46.780
but let's just go into this. They spend a hundred million dollars to try to take out any, any one
01:09:53.040
of, or if all of the, the, the, the most awful members of Congress, right? At AIPAC. So let's,
01:10:00.920
let's, let's think about this for a second. The moderate Democrats who run AIPAC are spending
01:10:05.880
a hundred million dollars, as you pointed out, for the right reasons to take them out. What
01:10:12.260
is going to be the result? What is going to be the result? None of them are going to get
01:10:16.040
taken out. Maybe one, that'll be a huge victory for them.
01:10:19.600
They're going to have to raise money to defend themselves. They're well, what do you, what
01:10:23.000
the squad? No, no, no, no. But, but here, my, my point is, is this, is that moderate Democrats,
01:10:28.120
when, when they spend all of that money to try to take them out, there's one of two things
01:10:33.480
that's going to happen. They're either going to give up and retreat and then never do it
01:10:36.540
again, or they're going to get angry because it's going to be, it's going to become a more
01:10:41.020
hostile situation between those two. And they're going to try even harder. And then it's
01:10:46.920
going to move beyond just that gang. It's going to move beyond them. And it's going
01:10:51.120
to go into members of Congress who just pacify those, those members. Right. And then that's
01:10:58.580
it. So I'm actually really hopeful that you talk about the conversion process. Are we ever
01:11:05.080
going to be in our lifetime, see a predominant, you know, Republican Jewish force? Probably
01:11:12.800
not. But is there a good chance that, you know, this could shift 20 points over the course
01:11:18.300
of our lifetime because of that battle, because you're going to have more, but we're not going
01:11:22.800
to have fewer AOCs guys. We're just not, there's going to be more.
01:11:25.800
Yes. And honestly, if the APAC wants to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the rest
01:11:31.840
of the time to fight Marxists and just like cause discord and so that they don't get, they
01:11:38.360
do not get out of primaries without bruising. Good. That's my theory. That's a good thing.
01:11:45.100
My theory is that that's going to happen. No, that's great. Out of this. This is like your
01:11:48.800
point that you brought up is exactly, this is, this is going to happen more and more.
01:11:52.780
Yeah. If American Jews want to unite their political and cultural and financial power
01:11:58.160
and say, honestly, if you're a Marxist that hates Israel, we're going to run ahead. You
01:12:02.580
might survive, but we're going to bruise you up and bloody you up. Honestly, that's a, that's
01:12:07.440
a much better direction of resources than APAC saying, you know what? We're going to give
01:12:11.460
a hundred million dollars to priorities action USA or Biden's reelection. No, here's some sort
01:12:16.480
of weird thing. Will that make antisemitism in the U S worse, which is if they're doing
01:12:22.680
this in the democratic party and they make it so, but that's, that's not like the top
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can, that's not sure. For sure. Like I don't mind the democratic party having problems.
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It will only play into false tropes that Jews are running American politics. I say false
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tropes, media matters, but that's what you're getting at. Right. Yeah. So like you'll have
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the future AOCs, the future Ilhan Omar, and they're going to be growing up in a political environment
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where like all the, you know, all of the new American majority as they are, they're all
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saying to each other, like, yeah, the reason we can't have, you know, single payer or any
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of these things that we care about is that anytime a real progressive runs in a democratic
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primary, the Jews come in and like blow them up. I could see that trope, that, that story
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being one that takes root on the far left and it would be, it'll be very interesting. I don't
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think it, I think it'd be bad for the democratic party and therefore good for America, but it's
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also bad for America in a way. Like we don't, you know, you don't want anti-semitism or anti,
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anti anybody ism to be this rising force in American politics.
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Here's a more interesting point too. The AIPAC lobby, these moderate Democrats are 100% in
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the same car with the chamber of commerce types, like the national chamber of commerce, all of
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that, which is, this is an interesting perspective too. And when you talk about, uh, you get into
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the unions, uh, how the unions are becoming more attracted to the Republican party, how
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there's a shift there that's happening. And the chamber of commerce is becoming significantly
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more moderate Democrat than they are becoming more moderate Republican. And this is a big
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question is, can, you know, the America first unit within the conservative movement, uh, attract
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enough union types of regular Americans while at the same time being able to manage the chamber of
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commerce and moderate Democrats like in AIPAC, the pro Israel lobby to just attack Democrats.
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The, the, the big takeaway of all this though, guys, that I just want to reinforce the, the topics
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that we are now able to discuss comfortably is thanks to Elon's liberation of X.
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Yeah. We still, still on our show, we always get these emails like, I don't trust Elon Musk.
01:14:43.740
I'm so exhausted with these, like take a win guys.
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Judge them by their fruits and the fruits of Elon Musk in the past year.
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Yeah. He's done the, the, the shift in what you are allowed to say, what you're even allowed
01:14:55.340
to email us, whatever is so dramatic. It has been so positive. It has been everything we hoped
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for when he bought it. And then people just complain, you know, he's still a Gen X guy
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who smokes weed. Okay. I don't like the weed either, but this is a positive outcome. And
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compared to what every other billionaire has been doing, there should be a sign. You don't
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And the Charlie Kirk show, you're allowed to be happy. You're allowed to have a good mood.
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All right. So next week, everybody email us freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. I'm sure the Ben and
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Candace drama will continue. We'll see if Elon is still alive a week from today. Keep committing
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thought crimes on thought crime. See you guys next week.