THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 22 — Canceling Candace？, Air Force vs. Conservatives, The Black Death
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Join Pastor Jim and his co-conspirators Jack Posobik, Jack and Charlie as they discuss the events of the Turning Point Action rally in North Dakota, the U.S. Air Force is publicly warning personnel against attending a patriot rally because an alt-right member of the group, tyler boyer, would be at the event, and more!
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from the age of big brother if they want to get you they'll get you dnsa specifically
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targets the communications of everyone they're collecting your communications
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hello everybody happy thanksgiving week of thought crimes honored to be with all of you i'm here at
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calvary chapel signal hill with my great friend pastor james cadiz uh speaking tonight and joining
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me are my co-conspirators uh we have jack posobik who just saw the napoleon film and he's going to be
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reviewing that time so bad great okay that topic's done never have to say it again and uh blake knapp
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who is uh so bad so blake neff who is deciding to spend thanksgiving in krakow poland totally
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normal and that's not a joke by the way he leaves for krakow tomorrow which i think is hilarious
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and tyler boyer who is the most viral member of the turning point team today and this is the
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following story the u.s air force is publicly warning personnel against attending a patriot
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rally event in north dakota because an alt-right member of turning point action would be at the
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event the warning said quote participation with groups such as turning point action could jeopardize
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continued service in the u.s military tyler boyer explain yourself yeah i mean uh it was kind of a low
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key i mean every one of us here has been to a tea party meeting or two in our time right in our day
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blake blake especially right yeah probably blake used to run a tea party i mean i have also been to
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normal tea parties of course so and that's pretty much what this was this was like uh this is the
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conservatives that exist within dakota and i don't know if you know uh burgum who's running
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still for president i don't know why i he's still running he could become president everybody if all
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the other candidates were were to die and it was too late to add anyone else to the ballot i suppose
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he could become president so so burgum's running and is from north dakota he's the governor of north
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dakota he all these people hate him he's the conservative this is the conservative group that's
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trying to protect all the conservatives in the legislature there so they invited me to speak it
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was like 500 people it was a great event barbecue they raffled off guns normal tea party stuff right
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like the events already already happened yeah and and so i i show up i speak and then afterwards i get
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blown up with all these messages from people friends that are in the military and in the air
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force they're like did you see this this is like everywhere and it was like telling everybody to
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like avoid us because we are all right or something i'm all right that was an all right speaker at this
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event and uh yeah and that was it and like i actually texted charlie right after i was like i think this is
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gonna be big it was like oh it's like a little event in north dakota i don't think it's gonna go that
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big and then all of a sudden like i'm in the dentist today this morning and like it was going crazy so
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so why did you accept hatred into your heart why did you embrace extremism why did you become a
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domestic terrorist yeah is your dentist all right as well is that is that something a dentist does
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do you do you have a racist dentist my my dentist is middle eastern i mean so okay so he's definitely
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racist then so probably he's the kind of yeah i was gonna say yeah so probably so yeah i mean that
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was it and then like these these people like the nicest people ever good conservatives they're like
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kicking butt up in uh in north dakota really pushing i get back against burgom who's done right like
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these these toast and uh yeah they just they came out of them they're like this is crazy because
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minot north dakota it's like literally on the border of canada it's a mill nowhere they have an air
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force base there and like 98 of them are probably like super conservative well we can't assume that
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anymore because it's the u.s military so you know it's north dakota some of them might have joined
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to get taxpayer funded mastectomies or something like that probably that's probably that's probably
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a solid so i want to get this i want to get this straight so the u.s military essentially said
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that their members were banned from hearing tyler speak because he had committed too many thought
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crimes and that if they went to hear tyler speak which i mean just admittedly probably isn't the best
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use of anyone's time to begin with but if they went to go to listen to you speak that it would
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jeopardize their military career the same u.s air force by the way that just crashed a p8 into the
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ocean off the coast of hawaii that air force that air force yes same the same exact air force but we're
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gonna have to change the logo of the show because we've got those kind of artsy outlines of of charlie
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and jack but now now tyler is the actual thought criminal i'm the criminal i'm the yeah i didn't
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think i was going to make it across the border out of the dark horse candidate here we thought you
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know tyler's the guy in the background tyler's the guy who i thought they're going to stop me at
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the airport honestly in north dakota you might never be able to leave this state again i might if
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you go to well i mean we've got doj j6 attorney general's office now i got the u.s air force
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i mean we're just stacking them up right so i mean yeah you know we have our you know our
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terrorist suspect less people who can't enter the united states you might be on the list of
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every other country so you can't leave the united states you can't board a plane
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one of one of the guys that's one of our influencers at turning point uh like our
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ambassadors was like tyler's like this really nice dad from arizona what is the air force afraid of
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like like a dad from arizona okay yeah yeah well when when charlie's the uh when charlie's the
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governor of arizona hopefully he'll have some swing to be able to get you off the list buddy
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yeah i mean i might need to be uh we'll need swing to keep you from swinging i might need
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someone to commute my sentence yeah well i'm not the mormon around here yeah so i mean so it wasn't
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that it wasn't that crazy of a thing but it is the bigger thing that's crazy is that they're tracking
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turning point action and all we do is register voters and recruit precinct committeemen and
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precinct captains that's like all we're doing and you have all these groups like this is what's so
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crazy this is what people have to be aware of right now that's happening out there
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there's not very many conservative groups that do this stuff right like charlie knows like we're the
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only we're like one of the only ones that do it the left has hundreds of organizations that do this
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hundreds like each state has 50 to 100 of these organizations and they're literally trying to
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prevent and doing everything that they possibly can to make sure that we don't do this work which
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tells you that we're like right over the target i guess yeah and and to get into the bigger thought
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crime issue of this it's that this is so obviously going to be the ramification of uh you know back in
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2021 just after january 6th there was that military stand down order where they all got the speech that
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you know the military members of the military aren't allowed to join extremist groups and they're going
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to be tougher on this and it took us okay uh 20 28 months or so for that to just turn into oh you
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can't you can't join turning you can't listen to someone from turning point action speak well
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actually even even before then do you if you remember when they were um they were bringing
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the national guard members into like in like the week of january 6th when they declared that the
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national guard uh guardsmen were going to be coming into dc they occupied dc for a period of months all
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the way up through i think it was march or may of 2021 i just remember the uh barbed wire being all
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around the capital troops marching up and down the square uh like it's a monty python sketch or
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something but fully armed um you know humvees everywhere and i remember them saying they wanted
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to because the democrats in congress and pelosi were saying oh we need to be sure that these troops are
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loyal so they said okay we're going to start going through their facebook pages and going through
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their facebook likes and inside the pentagon one of some of the things they were targeting were
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like the gadzin flag if you were a member of any pages that used that or if you had posted that
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they're looking at maga hats they were looking if you had liked or interacted with nra content
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and one of the other pieces on facebook was whether or not you liked or were a follower of turning point
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usa well i will i will say this i think that the people might not the the few liberals that exist in
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my not uh north dakota they were excited my not why not my not that's what i learned why not my
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not okay why not my not that's where they have the uh that's where the state fair is for north dakota
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anyways that's where we were at we're at the state north i think they thought that this is this is
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like the only big public building in my not probably is the state fair you know whatever that the
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building that we were in i think they maybe thought this was like the liberals thought this was like
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their their capital riot opportunity so they're trying to you know you know why not if you look
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at the why not if you look at the old soviet uh or the old estimates the u.s military did of what
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would get hit in a nuclear exchange with the soviet union you know minot's got an air force base and
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it's got all the icbms there so if you look at the map you know they lob a couple nukes at new york
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and then they drop about 500 nuclear weapons on minot north dakota and it basically just obliterates the
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state and so really they were just anticipating that you might be there that was it and that's
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that's why it had to be destroyed yeah so charlie what does this really let's let's wrap this up
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because i know we have other stuff we're going to get to but charlie i know you covered this on the
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show today but but break give us your take after you've had some time to think about this
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what does it mean that you know tyler boyer and the just turning point enterprise are now being
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treated this way by our military and the fact that by the way i believe there's been some senators
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that have responded to this yeah i mean honestly i'm really proud of tyler that he's uh he's finally
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joining the gang and he's on the list so it's uh i've been on the list charlie you put me on the
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list a long time ago i'm i'm very proud of him i gotta be honest i saw this i said this is this is
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really good this is what we do at turning point we create new influencers and voices and when i said
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wow you know when i'm uh when i'm just spending a weekend in phoenix we can get the department of
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defense fired up over tyler i said that's really amazing i said we barbecue it really it really was
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great no i'm very proud of him it's and by the way it's about the work we're doing a lot of a lot of
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dimensions here no i it's clear the department of defense is declaring war on us it probably
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was somebody at the high level of the department of defense that doesn't understand turning point and
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they're going to pay for this uh there's going to be hearings there's we're going to find out is
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there a written policy at the department of defense we're entertaining lawsuits the law is
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very clear precedent is very clear and by the way some people are misinterpreting this intentionally
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they say oh well you can't when you're in uniform go to um you know certain events they know those
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rules not what this is no no no they know those rules that's not what that's not we're talking
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about here we're talking about on private time off duty this is about getting removed from rank
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getting removed from the military based on like terrorist type um activity and so this is
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completely different but yeah look the the big takeaway that i think we need to get drilled down
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to is how widespread is this happening this has struck a chord because it's the military and of
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all places the military should be welcoming of pro-american type ideas by the way who's actually
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staffing the military it used to be the people staffing the military were primarily conservative
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center-right patriotic not anymore i mean it's changing rapidly unfortunately um and that's
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why recruitment is going down so dramatically and so intensely and so look there's a lot of takeaways
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here we're going to be pursuing legal action and uh we very well might be going to my not um
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north dakota sometime soon to go do an event i'm not going to put up with this this is the i've been
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i've been encouraged i've been encouraged by the response by republicans uh it's been pretty good
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hopefully i i mean cory mills wants me to come testify uh i would love to testify
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next to john kirby and jake sullivan uh in a armed services committee jack do you think that would be fun
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uh i think that would be amazing because jake sullivan would spend the entire time like wiping
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that comb over that he has and so he'd be like trying to stick it up the entire time on his head
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please charlie please don't bring up russia gate please don't bring up the dossier that i helped get
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to the fbi during the 2016 election please don't uh let anyone know that i was the direct cutout between
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the hillary campaign and james comey please don't bring up any of those things and then and then kirby
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i mean the guy is just completely lost up there i mean you talk about like some people at least
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you know you can give them credit because they're good at spin they're good at running angles
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uh they're good at tap dancing he's just an idiot i mean kirby is is just an absolute idiot and he's
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been an idiot since afghanistan since the fall of afghanistan and our uh grotesque pull out of there
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and i think charlie you would just be kind of running absolute uh absolute rings around them so i guess for
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a good a good amfest warm-up you could go and absolutely destroy these guys down at uh at the
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u.s house but i'd also love to say that since we are live for once just throw out if anyone is from
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north dakota let us know in the comments would you like us to come uh come up there would you like us
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do an event do a live thought crime let us know yeah and to add to that i know that we have some lag
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issues and the team is doing great navigating those i i would love to just ask some basic
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constitutional trivia of our armed forces and jack you hit it perfectly look i mean military
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mistakes happen but they're certainly mounting lately aren't they there's a lot of military
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mistakes happening training exercises and blunders when they prioritize the intimate movements
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of the rank and file to can't go to hear tyler boyer then we got some serious problems i mean i i'm
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sorry i just i i'll say it again i've been working with tyler for nine years it'll be nine years in
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january i'm the funny part is like people are like he's on the rnc like i'm literally on the rnc like
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it's not like it's not like this is like a charlottesville type you know really so you're just
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saying the rnc is an alt-right organization the rnc is all right yeah maybe we misjudged uh you know
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maybe there's a lot maybe we misjudged rana there's a lot more rnc's that right wing you know maybe
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we're in the guys we're not allowed to talk about what rana does at the you know the secret
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meetings of the 168 now that's you know with the hoods and the torches you know that's going to get
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we're on rumble we can talk about it a little bit right yeah i mean it was in the nixon tapes he
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talked about the bohemian grove a bit yeah i mean maybe we shouldn't have done the tiki torch
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is leading into the to the north dakota rally maybe that maybe next time tyler come on you can buy
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look you you don't have to wear all white golf golf shirts khaki shorts come on it's winter to begin
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with north dakota it's a little i don't know yeah it was a little oh a little sad that some some bad
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let's get to our next story canceling candace blake i think you are perfect to drive this
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all right uh yeah sure thing charlie uh so here you guys can uh if you guys want to bring it up
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on our screen we can uh show everyone the article so this is published in uh front page magazine so
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there's an organization uh the david horowitz freedom center david horowitz was a progressive
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who later moved to the right set up the david horowitz freedom center to uh promote conservative
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ideals and they notably are one of the places that uh candace got her start uh she was invited to an
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event of theirs uh i believe that is in fact where she uh where she met you charlie and you know then
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she worked with uh turning point became a big star and has been around ever since but obviously we you
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know we talked last week about her uh little tiff with ben shapiro some of the stuff she'd said on
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twitter now x and some people are uh taking it badly and the david horowitz freedom center is among
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them so they published this piece goodbye candace and they suggest that candace is complicit in
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bringing about i i am not making this up a second holocaust i'll just read the quote because it's
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remarkable uh the david horowitz freedom center wishes to express its deep disappointment with
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candace's ignorant hateful and morally obtuse remarks about israel and the jews but of course it's not
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just about the jews the jews are the canaries in the mine the west is next and america above all
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it's one thing to have been alive in the 30s and not realized where the nazis were headed it is quite
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another to be alive during a 75 year campaign by islamic jihadis to finish the job that hitler
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started and to fail to stand against their open campaign to create a second holocaust so
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so yeah i mean i'm friends with everyone involved i'm really close with david i actually
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think i wrote in either an intro or a dedication to david's book and david's been really good to me
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and obviously i'm going to talk to candace almost every single day and and i think really highly of
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her this um this exposes the fault line that we saw coming and i want jack to riff on this but let
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me kind of segue here um because we saw this kind of fault line growing which is the israel issue is
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breaking the left but it's simultaneously also not breaking the right but it's it's not it's not
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helping uh and it's exposing some of these these lines and i mean i'll let david speak for himself
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and the freedom center they've been really good to me and if you know people can agree or disagree
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or go back at i think some of that is very charged language and you know candace i think
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at least in my estimation has deserved better than that but there's there's a lot of personal
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friendships are being ruined over this and i think as an onlooker it's a tragedy
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it's it's a reality but it's a tragedy i i have not seen this heated discussion i i thought the
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primary is what was going to divide right-wing politics in 2023 i think jack agrees jack has
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been basically a belligerent in the dividing of the right um and that's well i didn't start that
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all jack is trying to do is add a you must be this tall to joint to go on the ride for the gop
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i am i am a napoleon defender i'm on team jack 100 but jack has definitely been involved in the
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primary wars and he's been awfully effective i mean he's winning and they're losing but i think
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we would all agree that we thought 2023 was going to be the year where the the right was divided over
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de santis v trump and nikki hayley v de santis and it looked that way i mean remember in the spring
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in the early summer how nasty the influencer wars were i mean some of these articles that were being
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written in the tweets and the exposés i mean it was nasty i i can now say that the israel issue
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has has reached a whole nother level and this isn't this is an example that i was there at the david
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horowitz freedom center it's where i met candace it's where i offered her a job um i just spoke at
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david's deal last year and i think what he's done to the movement is incredible i think what candace is
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doing for the movement is incredible and super so i'm friends with both of them and i'll remain
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friends with both of them and they both hate the left and they're gonna keep fighting the left
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i do think that there is a part that kind of the straw that broke the camel's back that isn't included
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in this article which is candace's discussion with professor professor finkelstein uh from
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princeton who got in a huge dispute with alan dershowitz years ago accusing him of plagiarism
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and is one of the most hated intellectuals uh in pro israel circles and candace uh had him on the
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show um and i i think that's probably what set off the david horowitz freedom center in addition to
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many other things but i'm just speculating with that but jack can you riff on this for a second
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because you know having stating that we're friends with people on both sides and reiterating that and
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clearly i think we can also look at this you know from a 35 000 foot view we thought that the
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desantis trump you know primary was going to be the bloody glorious english civil war revolution
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we were wrong out of left field you know the the most deadly day of jewish killing since the holocaust
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1 500 jews and the reaction that came from it is actually what is dividing the right it is very
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fascinating jack how should we think about this yeah it's really amazing reading this um david horowitz
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and i first met almost almost 20 years ago so show my age there a little bit but it was when i was in
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college um and it would have been yet but it would have been 18 years ago when we first met that's when
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we were doing students for academic freedom when i was the college republican chairman at temple
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university and we actually sued because temple is a publicly rated um school we were able to sue
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our teachers basically in um in open pennsylvania legislature uh we brought members of the state
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legislature and keep in mind this is before twitter before social media even existed the blogosphere
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was still a thing um uh rush limbaugh dominated the airwaves you know this was the conservative
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movement back then this is even pre-tea party so it's almost a pre-tea party kind of grassroots
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activism that really uh i consider david to have been a mentor someone i looked up to and still do
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look up to very much but i just mean for all these years and then of course going to the events
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volunteering at many of the events the restoration weekends going back just just years over a decade
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um almost two decades at this point and so everybody at the freedom center knows how much i love
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them and how much i care about their work and it just i i think though that when we create these
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types of firing squads these circular firing squads about cancellation right and canceling people
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because we have a disagreement over a specific issue and it's it's interesting to me i guess what i would
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say is what is is is to ask people what is the specific policy of candace's that she has um iterated or
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promoted or stood for that you disagree with because when it comes to just okay tracking
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down hamas wiping them out getting them off the map turning hamas into hummus uh turning them into
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pico de gallo like suleimani i don't really see much disagreement there but you know this has been
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one of the huge things and of course we talked about this last week but you know the idea that
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we're going to cancel candace over this because people don't like her tone people don't like and
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that's really what it comes down to it's tone policing and concern trolling this idea that candace
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isn't allowed to do the same thing she does to every single other issue that she looks at whether
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it be ukraine whether it be vaccines whether it be blm she says she asks pointed questions she wants
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to figure out what's going on she wants serious answers and she refuses to go along with emotional
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arguments that's the candace owens that i know that's the candace owens that i see present herself to
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every single issue that she's ever gone after and so i don't think and obviously with great passion
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because i mean it's candace after all right so i don't think that she's really changed her stripes
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here in any way it's just that you know it's just that this issue and obviously coming on the heels of
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such a horrific attack i think for a lot of people it's very emotional there's a lot of you know emotions
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are high passions are high but i do think that it just doesn't make sense that we're gonna you know go
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around and start shooting people inside our own tent over politically um and and i think it's
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great by the way and i'll just throw it out there i said this on twitter but i think it's great that
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on the same day that we saw people calling for candace to be cancelled a lot of conservatives that
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i look up to shared this article echoed these sentiments and i went and looked and i saw over at
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the turning point america fest site candace's name was still there was still featured prominently i think
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the top wrote a little slightly higher than mine but that's probably because her name is just a
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little shorter that's the only reason and uh and i thought it was great the turning point was
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sticking with her for this event the same way that they stuck with her throughout all the years
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100 by the way can't we're not gonna back are you kidding me i mean candace is she's on our team
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she's the best right i mean we're we're on team candace and i'm also you know i i'm on team freedom
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center too but you know i got i got a text message from some lunatic charlie why do you have
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her still speak at an am fest i said lose my number i said lose my number wow i said you
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obviously haven't been through the charlie tyler remembers the charlie candace thing i mean from
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they thought you remember charlie they were like are they buried remember oh it was it was like
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by the way it was that one got me unsubstantiated internet rumor yeah that's not true not true but
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it's not true okay i'm remembering some choice memes that i i definitely don't have saved on
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on my backup hard drives i disagree with jack can i can i take a moment to
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i disagree with jack she's not higher than him on the graphic because her name's shorter she's high
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she's higher than him on the graphic because he's a white male wow wow racism racism at turning
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i mean we have to you know what maybe tyler is all right did that blake was the one that is all right
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after all wait no no white males i'm i'm i'm woke this is the world yeah we're anti-racist i'm trying
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to make up for my not all right yeah i guess okay well we'll accept the new you tyler we're a forgiving
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organization unlike all the people i'm looking at all around there's so much insane stuff being
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published here so on national review uh jade nordlinger is uh blogging at the corner of their
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blog and he just has his rundown of different things and his response to uh i think charlie was
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right it was the finkelstein interview that really set people off he replies to this uh he links the
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video on uh twitter and he says this was inevitable written in stone and where there's
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finkelstein david irving can't be far behind they have long gone together like peas and carrots or
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choose your simile uh david irving for those who don't know is a uh holocaust revisionist so he
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believes the uh the holocaust i i don't know exactly what he says either it didn't happen or they all
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died of disease or it was all fake so basically a holocaust denier and so he's saying that candace is
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is quickly on her way to just saying the holocaust didn't happen uh which again is we're jumping to
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these very wild things for was he the guy who said that like nato was going to be um like the world
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police and that you know they were going to be the sort of enforcing the new world government
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that's right that's david ike no that's david ike okay yeah no david irving as far as i know is
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mostly just known for the hollow hoax stuff and yeah okay if candace starts doing holocaust denial
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okay that that would be alarm bells but she hasn't and that's what they're doing here is we have
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multiple allegations of just you know trying to make candace owens adjacent to holocaust denial and
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you know norm finkelstein okay yeah he's a liberal he has had spats with a lot of people you know we're
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friendly with he's uh very not popular with you know a lot of pro-israel people but okay like you
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know as someone on on twitter i saw mentioned uh candace owens interviewing norman finkelstein
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what's next tucker carlson interviewing glenn greenwald which he already has and if anyone
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doesn't know there's also a critic of of israel and sympathetic towards palestine and again much
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like finkelstein he's jewish like those these people exist uh you know jews are on the entire
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ideological spectrum even on israel palestine uh and it's just i feel like what's going on here is
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just people have really it's unsettling that the last month two months people just have sort of lost
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their minds over this issue they're kind of willfully psyching themselves up into these extremely
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wild takes they want to be extremely angry and i worry that yeah it's damaging the movement and it's
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it's a lot like the the primaries where people get very attached to either you know they're still for
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trump or they're decide they're in the tank for desantis or they're vivek mania or they're you know
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the five people who supported mike pence or the you know one person who supported doug bergham assuming
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anyone in his did anyone in his family support him hopefully someone did but uh you know people get
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amped up about the primary and then they decide like oh the people very close to them ideologically
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are actually the biggest enemies and they need to be taken out and we're doing this over now this
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israel palestine conflict uh he's got this gaza war which one might be over soon they're apparently
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negotiating a ceasefire right now and it's in a different country and overall like you know yes the
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terrorist attack is very bad but it is already in the past at this point so it is something that is not
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ongoing it is something that is in a foreign country and we're using this as a reason to
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justify like oh candace owens has to be expelled from the movement because she is leading us towards
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the second holocaust and i would urge everyone to take a deep breath and you know realize that sounds
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yeah i mean that's language i wouldn't use that and that's not helpful but it's i mean this is the
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issue is and i was trying to get here with jack jack this is not an isolated example of that type of
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language we're seeing this thrown around on twitter i mean the relationships and friendships that have
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been built up for years the the right is fracturing over it is it not
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well charlie i think that's exactly right because you know i'll you know i i'll i'll just say that i
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had i don't want to bring up private stuff but i had dinner earlier this week with a guy who's uh
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been involved with one of the primaries that's you know not a on the trump campaign and it's like
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i didn't care we didn't talk about it right we just went on with our lives and went on with
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our friendship in the real world because we're not going to go and burn down relationships over
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things like that uh i actually talk to people on all the primary campaigns all the time i've got
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friends with them with the ones that have like real campaigns not like the fake ones like chris christie
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and others um because i've got friends that are supportive of all different you know parts of
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the of the of the right and sure there's been a lot of online stuff a lot of online back and forth
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but at the end of the day when people are serious you just don't do that um when it comes to this
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though i found people very willing to burn down relationships that they've had for a long time
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over and when you when it comes down to it charlie that that's what it really gets me is because
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can anybody point to something that candace said that is so horrific so disastrous that she should be
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uh completely excised and excommunicated from the movement that we should cut all off in um okay in
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the church of scientology they have this um this concept of declaring someone a suppressive person
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blake i i i i'm betting that you you've heard of this one a little bit a little bit but you should
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probably elaborate on before i do okay when when someone is declared a suppressive person that means
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they possess a distinct set of characteristics and mental attitudes that cause them to suppress the
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other people in their vicinity and this is called anti-social it's calculated to be disastrous against
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them and so it what when someone is labeled this it's like an official label that's given by the
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church of scientology to say a family member or a friend that means that every single other member
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of the church even if they're your own family even if they're your immediate family must cut off
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contact with you both publicly and privately you must shun this person you must disavow this person
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like uh who's the one uh leah ramony she does the the you know she left scientology so she would be
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declared a suppressive person none of the people that she knew in scientology that are still involved
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with it are declare are able to even communicate with her anymore including immediate family this is
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what they're trying to do to candace and i haven't seen a single thing she said that's been racist
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that's been xenophobic that's been you know evil that's been you could see there's stuff that you
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disagree with that's fine but shouldn't that be what free speech is all about
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the other takeaway here is i i would like everyone to exhaust private speech before public speech this
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was my big issue with ben shapiro don't you guys have each other's phone numbers i i i don't understand
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this just pick up the phone and this is the tyler please sorry i was just gonna say charlie you're 100
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right this is like the number one problem in the conservative movement in general and the
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republican party it's like guys before you start going on like fox and like railing against people
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it's like why don't you pick up the phone like i totally i totally appreciate when like things get
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too far and like you've exhausted all avenues and whatever and things have to be said because
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the movement deserves it but like it's like dude like you don't need to get in front of crowds of
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people and like donors and other people and like you know hit your your own team especially if you
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employ the person like i don't i will never understand this about this situation it's one
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thing to have disagreements within the movement within the party with one or whatever but how do
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you how do you like have this this problem in your own organization i just don't get it i don't
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understand that um you know you should be trying to find every avenue possible to try to try to
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resolve these these issues it's crazy so come to america fest everybody amfest.com where uh
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and this owens will be there and dennis prager will be there and tucker carlson and patrick bet david
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like i just have to brag on our team i one day i'll be able to tell you the difficulties we had around
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this particular event and some of the restrictions for a very careful observer you'll notice that there's
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a certain type of speaker that isn't there that was there in years past but i'm not going to say
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what but the the ability of our team to capture what i think is the best lineup we've ever had at
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a turning point action turning point usa event vivek ramaswamy steve bannon donald trump jr
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kimberly guilfoyle josh holly marjorie taylor green matt gates mike lindell cory mills and alina
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haba with turning point action tyler is the maestro conductor of that that will be the sunday program
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and more to be announced uh on turning point usa which is bookending the action uh deal is tucker
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carlson uh patrick bet david which he doesn't do a lot of events everybody patrick bet david if there
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is a stock to buy i'll tell you what that guy's stock is ascendant isn't it jack that guy is getting
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clipped more than almost anybody i've seen in a long time he's he's he's terrific um are you in a
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fight with patrick back david too jack am i am i unaware of this why do you what is this like i'm
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in a fight with everybody just because i'm going to fight with one guy who's on the entire panel
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suddenly it's like oh poso's in a fight with everybody he's in a fight with patrick bet david
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he's in a fight with roger stone he's in a fight with whoever he has a fight no they come at poso and
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poso poso doesn't take shots on goal poso only wins goals poso only scores goals that's all you
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ever going to get i don't play games folks i win them yeah jack please never refer yourself in the
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third person okay it's very weird i kind of liked it no kirk isn't going to do this kirk kirk isn't
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gonna let that happen on kirk's podcast no no there there's a great seinfeld episode about that
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what was it was uh it was uh george is doing this and george is doing it was george is angry
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candace owens glenn beck rob schneider roseanne barr dennis prager ali beth sucky james o'keefe riley
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gains ben carson jason whitlock i'll get to the other one in a second brandon tatum seth dylan
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benny johnson yanmi park michael seifert james lindsey john amichukwu john benzinger pastor rob
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mccoy lean munsell eric metaxas and then jack sobek and gad sad will be wrestling in mud
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uh is it gonna be white mud is it gonna be or are we talking like the ice cream kind of mud sort
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of stuff because i've got allergies and i want to make sure blake what is our next topic
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uh this is this is a great one so uh as we all know a big historical movie came out this week uh
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it's napoleon apparently it's terrible so we're not going to say anything more about that instead
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we're going to look ahead to the next historical movie that will disappoint us
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and that is they are have announced that at netflix they're going to be making
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a movie about the famous carthaginian general hannibal bane of the roman republic and it's
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going to start denzel washington uh it's been a project that's been in development hell
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i think for about 20 years now uh so the actual general hannibal was about 30 when he took on rome
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denzel washington is like twice that more actually but uh he's still going to play hannibal whatever
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uh and so you know maybe the movie will be good maybe it'll be bad but there's a interesting
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thing about this which is uh well denzel washington is is black of course and so they're going to be
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portraying uh hannibal as african and so this is uh carthage is in modern tunisia it uh is in africa
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but the carthaginians themselves were actually uh they probably would have looked uh kind of would
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have looked like israelis to us or middle easterners they were phoenicians they're
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homeland was in uh kind of modern lebanon and they built all these colonies across the middle
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east they had a maritime empire and they're the ones who fought rome but now it is uh they're
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going to be portrayed as as fully african which is kind of a it's a common uh argument people have
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made uh kind of much like how they argued that the you know the egyptian pharaohs may have been
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african and the pyramids were built uh by uh by black africans and this pairs with another
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yeah and this pairs with another story that also came out this week there is a wild story from the
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british broadcasting company in the uh once free nation of great britain uh this headline is it
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really has to be heard to be believed black women most likely to die in medieval plague museum of london
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says and so this is no joke some researchers at the museum of london dug up some skeletons uh from
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a medieval grave and they started measuring the skulls exactly like you would do in like 1800s you
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know kind of what we would call like racist pseudoscience today where they just measure skulls
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and kind of derive racial traits from this and that's always bad you're not supposed to do that
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except if you're doing it to say that white people are bad which is what they were doing here so they
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measured these skulls of people who died in the black death in about 1350 and they said based on these
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skull measurements we think that these skeletons are of black people and then they said black people
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were proportionally more likely to have died in this cemetery that is for plague victims and so
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we believe that black people were more likely to die in 1300s london than white people from the black death
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the bubonic plague because of systemic racism in 1300s england now a few contextual things here
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before we dig into it uh one in 1350 the portuguese hadn't even you know gotten past the sahara yet so we did
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not have the ability to sail to central africa where you know sub-saharan africans live
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uh there are really no sources on africans being in london at this time i'm sure one might have
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popped up as a novelty but they seem to be arguing that london was about eight to ten percent black
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like it is today and then i guess they just all disappeared perhaps the black death killed them
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and that's why london didn't have any of them from 1400 until you know the 20th century and
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so that's that's what the bbc is writing about that systemic racism is what killed medieval british
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diversity and otherwise they would have been exactly as diverse as today um but no more and so i guess
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the big picture is well i don't know you guys tell me it seems like we're going to we have this trend
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of taking historical figures and making them black which we don't ever really do i mean we certainly
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don't ever allow that today in the opposite direction i think if you made a biopic where
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frederick douglas was paid by keanu reeves or something people would get pretty angry about it
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and also i just don't think you'd uh have people going around measuring skulls in any context other
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than arguing that medieval london was full of racism well so this is this has been the thing for me is
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it's not even the you know the denzel hannibal etc uh piece because this is a huge meme of course
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right for netflix that every time netflix does a biopic they always have to race swap it to do this
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sort of like woke casting and so you have to pay the woke total to get on netflix and so the original
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uh setup for this was that you had to include like some lgbt content even if it was shoehorned in
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even it had nothing to do with the plot whatsoever there had to be some sort of woke toll that was
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paid on any netflix and then of course the casting of it um has really turned into this meme and so
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it seems as though they're playing into that very same uh trope that they're just leaning into the
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meme basically that netflix wants to go ahead and and make this for everybody but i guess what's more
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interesting to me isn't so much the fact that they're doing it but the fact that even in the uk
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especially when it comes to bbc and especially when it comes to their dramas their history
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their news that's like this article that came out today about the black plague that it seems like
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they're going through this huge push where they're trying to you know revamp their history
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to make it quote unquote equitable or more in line with what today's demographics are
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and you didn't see that for the longest time in in any historical perspective i would argue though
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that one of the first places that we saw that was the musical hamilton where they went in and race
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swapped all of the founding fathers and decided to make them you know not british and and then
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emmanuel miranda is what like puerto rican and and all these different things and i remember getting
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into discussions with people at the time i think it was what 2014 2015 when that came out
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and i was like okay why are we doing this they're obviously british they said well that makes it more
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equitable for the people who live there now to be able to feel that they've got a strong tie
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into the past of america and you see it in england as well they've this they have like children's uh
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songs we're gonna try to get the song up here where they're teaching kids that black people have
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always been around in england when it's like that's just you're just lying you're just absolutely
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lying to people and saying that this has always been this way it's totally normal um everyone's
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been like this and i think that's kind of insane um blake you were noticing too i think we were
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chatting before the show about the show bridgerton or something how the books aren't even like that
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but they changed it for the show as well oh it's a super bizarre one so bridgerton is a series i think
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it's on netflix or one of the streaming services yeah and what's unbelievable first of all don't watch it
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it's incredibly dirty it's one of those shows where they just throw in heaps of sex and nudity
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but it's prestige television so you're not watching you're not watching porn everyone you're watching
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you're watching very serious television and so it's based on a series of romance novels that are set in
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regency era england so the early 1800s and the books are just normal romance books you know women read
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them i don't and but when they made the adaptation what they did is they made an extremely high share
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of the characters uh black like much higher than it actually even is in uh england today and this
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required an entire alternate history setup where the idea was there was a member of the british royal
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family in the 1700s i want to say who was you know slightly darker than usual and it was because
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she had some blood from i think iberia like portugal and so they turned this from oh she was slightly
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dusky because she had some iberian blood too we're gonna imagine that she was black somehow even though
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she was a princess from germany and no one else comments and none of the portraits portray her this
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way but we're going to imagine that she was black and then her marrying into the british royal family
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caused a rejection of racism and so they got rid of slavery earlier and then they had black people
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incorporate into the british upper class and so that is why now in our adaptation of bridgerton
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there are black people everywhere in what is otherwise a period romance drama set in you know 1815
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and that's what they did that was bridgerton we've gotten we've got the we've got the we've got the
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the song do you guys are you guys ready for this god help us number let's play clip 73
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Queen Catherine and Henry had a trumpet to coach on, and a man called Castaneda.
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The naked Georgian writers and the stars of boxing rings, to the battlefields of York, and the wave rush I can sing.
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I think we're all missing the point here, though, which is that even if all of that didn't happen, right?
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Estelle still would have had to wait for racism to make his way through America.
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Well, I'm saying to sing the song American Boy.
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Hey, Tyler, why don't you just throw up a salute to your Fuhrer here?
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Estelle is the most famous black female artist.
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Estelle is the most famous black female artist from England, ever.
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And one of the greatest songs ever was Kanye and Estelle.
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We can't play it because it'll get us kicked off.
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Not after that last song that they inflicted on us.
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Well, you know, that's one of the greatest jams ever is Kanye West and Estelle singing American Boy.
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But the whole point is, is it, you know, the line had to...
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I don't listen to whatever, like, Nazi radio station you listen to, Tyler.
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Whoa, now the mustache seems a little bit different there, Tyler.
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Do you need us to shave it down and get a trimmer, Tyler?
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Wait, you guys aren't familiar with the most famous black artist coming out of England?
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No, I don't listen to any music that was made after...
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Probably after Nirvana's Nevermind came out, because that's when music went bad.
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Please tell me all you guys in the studio are American Boy fans.
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Andrew had this on his MP3 CDs probably back in the day.
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There was that two, three-year period where having a CD burner on your computer was...
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Did you drive it to the levee because the levee was dry?
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And it said, the license plate said, riding clean.
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And that's the only thing I could hear over and over and over.
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But do you ever notice that nobody mentions ever missing CDs?
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Like, we all kind of knew inherently that that technology was awful.
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I think we all hated them for like, I don't know, 15 years.
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And now that they're gone, not a single person misses them.
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You're the first person I ever know of to describe a CD as hard to use.
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Like, were you confused which side to put on top when you looked at it?
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So, you could, like, look at a CD and it would stop working.
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You know, maybe the Pasovic household was different.
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I think the best symbol of that was I only learned that my computer didn't have a disk drive
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That was the first time I ever thought, oh, I should put a CD in my computer.
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You know what's funny is my kid, we got one of those, like, I don't know, we got some
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kids, you know, like, reading book, like, you know, kids first read or whatever.
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And he was looking at it going, he was like, Daddy, what is this?
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And I was like, oh, it's, I guess it comes with a CD.
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And he goes, he goes, where do we, okay, where do we, where do we play it?
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And I'm thinking, I don't have a CD player anywhere.
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So, we, I said, let's go to the car and play it.
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And we, and sure enough, it was a book on tape.
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So, let's, let's go back to the thought crime topic.
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Just wait, do we have to do the clip from the music video?
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So, before we get to that, but, you know, obviously you don't need everything to be 100%, you know,
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They did this movie, Memoirs of a Geisha, like 15 years ago, and it had a Chinese woman
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But what annoys people is just when they feel like their art is designed as political propaganda
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And I think that's what a lot of people will worry about, you know, with this, with this
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It's obviously what's going on with something like Bridgerton, that we're going to make this
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thing totally not what matched reality, and you're going to accept it.
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I'm so glad that you brought up the Bridgerton thing.
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I didn't even know this was coming today because I walked in on my wife watching Bridgerton with
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There's no way this, I was like, is this supposed to be like, is this like, so I asked my wife,
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And she's like, uh, yeah, I mean, I think it's historical fiction.
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The reason this propaganda works so well is because a lot of women don't know any history.
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Well, this is like the Romans, the Roman Empire thing.
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We're just, I started asking questions because then I was like, I'm totally disinterested
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with Bridgerton, by the way, like whatever, however long she's been watching this, this
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But when this came out, I started asking questions like, so where, what, what, uh, what principality
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So I started having this like dialogue with my wife.
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It's the most I've ever cared about Bridgerton was like how, and then she's like, oh, I don't
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Like, it's just, I'm like, where did, where did she get that British accent from?
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Like, why does she have an accent from like whatever, I think, I think she's from somewhere
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How does this not like just bother you the entire time you're watching it?
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And then, and then the most important part too, if that truly happened, then we never
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You and your, so what you're saying is that Megan Markle isn't the first black Royal.
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That we didn't actually Prince Harry is part black already.
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Prince, so Prince, no, what I'm saying, but he's already part black.
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If this is true, or is he just, or Blake, cause he just parked dusky.
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I think, I think Bridgerton doesn't go that high in, well, maybe it does.
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Reluctantly, cause most of this press don't f*** with me.
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Estelle once said, tell me, cool down, down.
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There's a part where she talks about it being five foot nine.
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Holler at the next chick soon as you're blinking.
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Wait, actually, to be fair, I didn't know that was a Kanye song,
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Yeah, that's what the Fortnite kid song is from.
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No, but she talks about him being five foot nine in this.
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Does she say, like, you like Ron DeSantis in five-inch heels?
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I mean, he, I think, I think probably Kanye had to wear heels in this.
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But it's, like, also like a Seinfeld episode, right, Charlie?
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You know, George, are those Timberlands with black Sharpie all over them?
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Yeah, that's right, where everything went backwards.
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You should also say something we're thankful for.
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Because it's way cooler than, you know, no offense, I love my family, but I also like
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going to extremely distant countries to look at their extremely old things because I was
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born in South Dakota, which has no history whatsoever.
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The oldest settlement in South Dakota is like 150 years old.
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There are, there are like toilets in, in Poland that are older than that.
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I'm going for, I'm going for 10 days and I can exploit America's, uh, lovely long holiday
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weekend to be gone for a longer length of time.
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Wait, did you know that Poland is the number one, uh, producer of Turkey per capita in the
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Well, they're also good at killing people from Turkey.
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Well, it makes perfect sense to go get, it makes perfect sense to go get Turkey meat from
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Also, as my dad pointed out, I want to go to a country where I'll be the smartest person
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Are you going to eat Turkey while you're there?
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Do they celebrate, uh, Turkey in the, in the fall winter?
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I mean, yeah, you can get Turkey in Poland, but no, Thanksgiving is not celebrated anywhere.
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Well, I know Thanksgiving is not celebrated, but do they eat a lot of Turkey?
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Jack, do, do they put screen doors on planes in the Polish, uh, national airway?
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You know what, you know what else they do is they bring in a bunch of Palestinian immigrants,
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Well, everybody have a great Thanksgiving, Blake.
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Hope things work out with the air force and have a great Thanksgiving, everybody.