Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 27 — Does Epstein Matter？ The End of DEI？ Faith and the Border？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:03.960 On tonight's episode, myself, Charlie Kirk, and the boys get into the latest revelations from the Epstein Files.

00:00:10.820 The question, are we facing the end of DEI?

00:00:14.440 And finally, the Greer Head Pledge. 0.95

00:00:17.760 All this and more ahead. Go out there and commit more thought crimes.

00:00:22.180 From the age of big brother.

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00:00:30.960 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:42.060 Okay, everybody. Hope you are doing well.

00:00:45.180 Happy Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:47.320 Back by popular demand is Blake.

00:00:50.180 You obviously got a lot of sun in South Dakota.

00:00:52.880 Minimal amounts of it.

00:00:54.160 Did you see the sun in South Dakota?

00:00:55.960 It's pretty sunny. We used to be called the Sunshine State, and then Florida kind of stole the name for us.

00:01:01.180 Producer Andrew is here from an undisclosed location in Paradise.

00:01:05.440 Happy to be joining today. I'm the fill-in, and I love it.

00:01:09.900 And Jack Posobiec.

00:01:12.360 Jack, how we doing? Happy New Year.

00:01:13.700 Charlie, Happy New Year, man.

00:01:16.060 It's been a minute.

00:01:16.800 I feel like I've seen you because I've been watching so many episodes of the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:22.060 But really, Blake is the one I have to give the shout-out to.

00:01:24.980 Because, Blake, I don't know if you saw our Chronicles of the Revolution series just went pretty viral, took the internet by storm.

00:01:33.480 And it was the Franco episode that really, really got people mad.

00:01:37.460 The people need to learn the truth.

00:01:39.680 They need to learn. 0.99

00:01:40.680 They've been fed all this diet of weird crap from Ernest Hemingway. 0.99

00:01:44.840 And I'm always on board with that. 1.00

00:01:46.200 Ernest Hemingway was full of crap. 0.99

00:01:47.620 I'm always on board with taking Hemingway down a peg. 1.00

00:01:49.760 I read A Farewell to Arms, and it sucked.

00:01:52.000 So we have to get revenge any way we can. 0.97

00:01:55.200 He wasted my time.

00:01:56.560 Meanwhile, Orwell comes out actually pretty good.

00:01:58.880 Yeah, Orwell comes out great.

00:02:00.280 I strongly recommend reading him.

00:02:01.820 I listened to Animal Farm on an audiobook while driving the other day.

00:02:06.220 So it's a nice fast read.

00:02:07.920 You can get through it in like an hour and a half.

00:02:08.840 How long is it on an audiobook?

00:02:10.160 Yeah, an hour and a half.

00:02:10.860 Yeah, it's not long.

00:02:11.380 If you're on high speed, yeah, you get done with it in under two hours.

00:02:14.360 You learn how pulling the pig is bad.

00:02:17.540 So what you need to do is you have to take the Russian Revolution episode we did and then listen to Animal Farm.

00:02:24.000 And now you've got the whole thing combined.

00:02:25.740 I will say, I last read it when I was in fourth grade or something.

00:02:30.880 And so now I pick up on all of the deeper allegories.

00:02:35.900 Oh, you hadn't read it as an adult.

00:02:39.220 No, I had not.

00:02:39.800 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:41.080 Oh, okay, gotcha.

00:02:42.900 Yeah, see, now Blake gets it.

00:02:44.880 Now Blake actually understands the theme of the show that we host every week.

00:02:48.560 Precisely.

00:02:49.320 All right, so the big news is the Epstein story.

00:02:53.620 Jack, we did, as you well know, a full hour.

00:02:56.320 It's gone viral, covered by a lot of people.

00:02:58.500 On really the intel agent aspect of this, Blake, you and I talked about it.

00:03:03.580 There's tons of wrinkles here, right?

00:03:05.220 The wrinkle is who was Jeffrey Epstein really?

00:03:07.900 Was he a creation of the CIA Mossad, which I believe he obviously was,

00:03:12.000 because there's really no track record of his financial brilliance

00:03:15.620 or what the investments he made to justify this ridiculously opulent lifestyle

00:03:19.960 that he enjoyed of mansions in Paris and mansions in New York

00:03:22.920 and mansions in Palm Beach and an island in the Caribbean

00:03:25.660 and a huge ranch in New Mexico and a couple of Gulf Streams.

00:03:29.100 How did you make this money, man?

00:03:30.360 You were kind of a weird, creepy math teacher at Dalton School

00:03:34.520 and then went to Bear Stearns.

00:03:35.720 You somehow found all this money.

00:03:36.840 But, Jack, let's just talk about the details.

00:03:39.360 This is coming back into the news cycle.

00:03:41.060 I don't think it's going away, because there might be more documents

00:03:43.040 coming out over the years.

00:03:45.200 What have we learned?

00:03:45.940 There's actually more tonight.

00:03:47.220 Okay, well, then walk us through it.

00:03:48.360 What are these documents?

00:03:50.500 Why are we just learning?

00:03:52.040 It's kind of a surprise.

00:03:53.080 Give us the background here, and then what actually was in the documents

00:03:56.400 that is noteworthy.

00:03:58.360 Okay, sure.

00:03:59.060 So the documents, and this is something that a lot of people get wrapped

00:04:02.660 around the axle on when it comes to sort of the Epstein case,

00:04:06.640 the Epstein network, is they say, you know, what's the deal with these documents?

00:04:12.480 Why do we have these now?

00:04:13.880 Why didn't we have these before?

00:04:15.420 Wait, I thought we had some before.

00:04:17.100 So different elements of Epstein's operations have been made public

00:04:22.860 over the years through various lawsuits, cases,

00:04:26.940 and then, of course, actually the, I guess we could say,

00:04:30.960 the aborted prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein,

00:04:34.680 which ended with him dead in his jail cell.

00:04:37.800 He's obviously not going to continue the prosecution after that,

00:04:40.080 but it all goes back to 2017,

00:04:41.620 and our friend Mike Cernovich filing a lawsuit,

00:04:47.140 a freedom of the press lawsuit against,

00:04:49.820 or in the Epstein case, basically getting against a seal

00:04:52.880 that had been done when one of the accusers had come out against Epstein.

00:04:56.540 And at the time, nobody wanted to talk about this thing,

00:05:00.900 and people were running around saying,

00:05:02.480 oh, you guys are a bunch of conspiracy theorists

00:05:04.180 for saying there's elite pedophile rings involving D.C. politicians,

00:05:08.080 including the Clintons,

00:05:09.860 and kind of blew up on the Internet.

00:05:11.920 It's a long story.

00:05:13.100 People have heard it.

00:05:15.020 And it all kind of centers around Epstein.

00:05:19.120 And so Cernovich goes in and files this suit

00:05:21.380 and retains Mark Randazza,

00:05:24.000 who's a First Amendment lawyer, to get in on this.

00:05:26.620 And then nothing happens for about two years,

00:05:29.180 but then Alex Acosta goes up to be Trump's labor secretary,

00:05:33.300 who had been part of the Department of Justice team,

00:05:36.420 which I believe off the top of my head,

00:05:37.780 Southern District of New York,

00:05:40.240 Southern District of Florida,

00:05:42.020 who was involved in getting Epstein this sweetheart deal.

00:05:44.780 So let me wrap this up very quickly.

00:05:47.740 That's the lawsuit that's now coming to fruition five years later,

00:05:51.860 and the people named in this thing

00:05:53.280 have been fighting to keep it sealed.

00:05:55.320 It's finally been ruled.

00:05:57.420 That's how long this stuff normally takes,

00:05:59.540 by the way, in federal court.

00:06:01.020 So for those of you who are tracking the Trump cases

00:06:03.800 on the federal docket right now,

00:06:06.680 nothing usually moves like this.

00:06:08.940 The Epstein case, these files,

00:06:10.420 yeah, something that you filed almost a decade ago

00:06:13.060 takes that long to get out.

00:06:14.600 Now this is coming out.

00:06:15.980 So we had a huge 1,000 document released yesterday.

00:06:18.920 We've got another one,

00:06:19.840 another couple of hundred pages.

00:06:22.000 Libby Emmons over at the Post Millennial,

00:06:23.640 I know is working on this right now.

00:06:25.380 And the key thing in here is you've got testimony,

00:06:28.600 you've got depositions,

00:06:29.780 you've got names,

00:06:30.680 you've got dates.

00:06:31.600 Some of it we knew before.

00:06:32.920 I think the long and short of it we knew before.

00:06:34.700 Now there's a lot of details that we're going into.

00:06:36.740 The big piece, though,

00:06:38.320 that I think everyone had asked about

00:06:40.140 is, is Donald Trump directly implicated?

00:06:43.820 And in fact, his name does come up a few times.

00:06:46.060 And every time his name comes up,

00:06:47.880 they say, did you go to the house?

00:06:49.660 No.

00:06:50.300 Did he go to, or did he go to the island?

00:06:53.260 No.

00:06:53.620 Was he seen on the island?

00:06:54.840 No.

00:06:55.820 Did he participate in any activity with the girls?

00:06:58.460 No.

00:06:58.660 Did he get a massage from the girls?

00:06:59.920 No.

00:07:00.380 So every time Trump is named in,

00:07:03.120 and you're looking at prosecutors,

00:07:05.660 investigators in these depositions,

00:07:07.740 the girls,

00:07:08.280 and this is different,

00:07:09.420 this is different instances.

00:07:10.500 They all say that Trump was not involved in anything

00:07:14.780 other than these just sort of,

00:07:17.140 what everybody knows,

00:07:18.420 that they had,

00:07:19.120 he knew him from sort of the,

00:07:20.300 the Palm Beach social scene.

00:07:21.860 He'd gone to Mar-a-Lago a few times.

00:07:23.400 That's about it.

00:07:24.600 And one, and, and of course,

00:07:25.940 as, as, uh,

00:07:27.040 and Alina Haba was on PPD earlier today,

00:07:29.200 and, uh, as, uh,

00:07:30.800 people want to know that the minute that Trump found out

00:07:33.100 about what Epstein was up to,

00:07:34.200 he not only, uh,

00:07:35.520 not only caught off contact,

00:07:36.620 he actually banned him from Mar-a-Lago.

00:07:38.520 So that's pretty much the long and short of it,

00:07:40.980 as I would say,

00:07:41.580 from a political standpoint,

00:07:43.340 um,

00:07:43.960 in terms of the actual 2024 race as involves Trump.

00:07:47.000 Now, the fact that Bill Clinton is mentioned so many times,

00:07:50.820 I think really just goes to plumb the depths of what actually

00:07:54.640 Bill Clinton was up to.

00:07:56.160 And now this is just a deposition.

00:07:57.580 Is that right, Jack?

00:07:58.560 In a civil suit.

00:07:59.460 Am I understanding that right, Blake?

00:08:00.760 Is that correct?

00:08:01.500 Pretty much.

00:08:01.900 Yeah.

00:08:02.400 It was just a back and forth deposition.

00:08:04.760 There's so much more to the extent of who Epstein was,

00:08:08.080 who financed him,

00:08:09.380 who his clients were,

00:08:11.020 what he was operating for.

00:08:12.620 So,

00:08:12.780 so Blake kind of moderate any of the more extremes of this conversation.

00:08:16.760 And actually,

00:08:17.540 Charlie,

00:08:17.800 just to,

00:08:18.320 just to clarify,

00:08:19.460 it's a deposition from one of the victims.

00:08:21.480 So this isn't like a Lieutenant.

00:08:23.560 This isn't like a whistleblower.

00:08:24.980 This isn't someone who was like high up in the organization.

00:08:27.420 This was a victim.

00:08:28.380 So someone who,

00:08:29.800 yes,

00:08:30.020 she was there,

00:08:30.720 but it's not like,

00:08:31.420 so it was somewhat in the Intel community,

00:08:33.740 we would say she had placement,

00:08:36.060 but she didn't have high access.

00:08:38.480 So,

00:08:38.620 so Blake,

00:08:39.300 do you think it's fair to say that Epstein was probably an Intel asset?

00:08:44.160 I think he had contact with intelligence.

00:08:46.900 I think there's enough smoke there to suspect something.

00:08:51.460 What I think is interesting is I think that sort of,

00:08:53.700 if you want to say the canonical conspiracy theory for Epstein is sort of the idea that Epstein was either with the CIA or Mossad.

00:09:02.900 Those are the most common ones.

00:09:04.020 Sometimes you'll get weirder ones.

00:09:05.200 Or Saudi Arabia.

00:09:05.700 And then it was cultivated.

00:09:06.880 And kind of the idea was to control the world or whatever,

00:09:10.360 that he would get rich and powerful and influential people to go to his island.

00:09:15.020 And then you would get blackmail material on them, 0.98

00:09:16.980 such as having sex with underage girls and it's on video or whatever, 0.96

00:09:20.020 and then use this to sway world events. 0.69

00:09:22.580 And that's sort of the canonical Epstein theory.

00:09:25.580 And then he was going to reveal it all.

00:09:27.460 So something happened to him.

00:09:28.920 So and so what I think is maybe a more plausible,

00:09:32.900 possible possibility and sort of entertaining one is if you imagine Epstein as sort of the ultimate con artist.

00:09:39.980 And this gets brought up with his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell.

00:09:45.820 The newspaper.

00:09:46.360 Robert Maxwell is this sort of sensational British press personality.

00:09:50.600 He runs the Daily Mirror.

00:09:52.840 After he dies, it's revealed that he's he'd stolen a huge amount of money,

00:09:56.600 like I think hundreds of millions of pounds from pension funds of the companies that he ran.

00:10:02.560 And he dies in mysterious circumstances, maybe murder, maybe a heart attack.

00:10:06.680 I mean, he was an old and unhealthy guy.

00:10:08.720 Now, what's funny with Epstein is, you know, we talk about how where his money comes from is mysterious.

00:10:14.140 And this is often brought up as, oh, well, he must have got the money from, you know, the intelligence agencies.

00:10:18.640 But another funny thing is a lot of rich people essentially just claim that Epstein robbed them.

00:10:24.120 So, for example, there's a Rolling Stone article about Epstein in 2021.

00:10:28.400 Was Jeffrey Epstein a spy?

00:10:30.020 I have it on my computer here if you guys want to bring it up.

00:10:32.440 And it gets into one of his oldest relationships is with this guy, Stephen Hoffenberg,

00:10:40.160 who goes to prison for running a Ponzi scheme.

00:10:42.600 So he's kind of a financial criminal who works with Epstein.

00:10:45.120 And what Epstein essentially does is he moves about $100 million of this guy's money offshore.

00:10:51.400 And then he goes to the feds, gives information on Hoffenberg to them.

00:10:55.760 And sort of the implication is he probably was able to steal $100 million of this guy's money.

00:11:00.260 And this guy couldn't really deal with it because he was himself going to prison for all these crimes.

00:11:04.800 And the article that Rolling Stone wrote suggests that if the guy had not lost his nerve and had

00:11:09.820 insisted we're going to trial on all of this, it might have been worse for Epstein than for anyone else.

00:11:13.820 Because all of this is a way of saying is, that's not the only guy, by the way,

00:11:17.580 a Victoria's Secret billionaire claims that Epstein's, yeah, Les Wexner's claim he stole a bunch of money from him.

00:11:24.260 So what if this guy is just kind of robbing a lot of people and then also, you know,

00:11:28.360 likes his thing with, you know, teenage girls and is sort of cultivating this whole aura.

00:11:34.340 And as part of this, yeah, he talks to intelligence agencies all the time.

00:11:37.280 And it was useful to him for people to think he's this intelligence asset for everyone

00:11:42.020 because it makes them scared of him, more or less.

00:11:44.880 And there are other people like this who exist.

00:11:47.520 You know, a lot of people on the right are familiar with Chuck Johnson,

00:11:50.600 who kind of just goes on on Twitter about everyone being an asset for different intel agencies

00:11:55.040 and how he's working for all these different intel agencies.

00:11:57.720 And he's like a downgraded version of this.

00:12:00.640 But, you know, a similar overall phenomenon.

00:12:03.260 Jack, what do you make of that?

00:12:04.160 Look, I do think that there's an element of puffery here.

00:12:11.480 But at the same time, Charlie, you know, you've been talking about the universities

00:12:16.700 more than anybody out there.

00:12:18.360 You're very familiar with these operations.

00:12:21.740 We're going to be talking about Harvard a lot, I think, in the next topic here

00:12:25.040 because the Harvard president just resigned.

00:12:26.740 Yet there's this huge tie between Epstein, Bill Gates, Harvard, massive organizations.

00:12:36.160 And all of this, by the way, coming out after, OK, after Epstein's first, after his first arrest,

00:12:46.160 after it's already come out that he's been doing these things.

00:12:49.060 He continues to have these connections, even continues meeting with Ehud Barak,

00:12:54.080 who is the former, at this point, the former prime minister of Israel,

00:12:57.400 a guy who shows up to Epstein's New York City.

00:13:03.480 They call it a mansion.

00:13:04.440 It's really a townhouse.

00:13:05.540 So his walk up in New York City shows up masked.

00:13:08.120 It's 40 rooms, man.

00:13:09.540 It's huge.

00:13:10.320 Yeah, but when you say mansion, you think of something different, I think, visually.

00:13:15.320 And he's got the scarf over his face and glasses.

00:13:19.460 I should have called for it earlier.

00:13:20.440 And he's really just protecting who he is.

00:13:23.640 We find that he's on the plane dozens of times, potentially more.

00:13:27.100 And he's named in all this stuff.

00:13:29.080 And the fact that he continues holding these types of high-level meetings,

00:13:33.660 even though he's been completely publicly disgraced,

00:13:37.380 continues giving money to Harvard, continues to being involved in all of these high-level circles,

00:13:42.160 where I can only imagine, Charlie, and, you know,

00:13:45.380 we can talk about, you know, I know we get behind the curtain here a little bit,

00:13:49.240 but, you know, around here on this part of the political aisle,

00:13:52.440 if you catch even a—if anyone catches, like, a whiff of that, you're out.

00:13:55.780 You're just totally out.

00:13:56.900 And it's not even talked about anymore.

00:13:59.000 So the fact that he's still holding these meetings shows that there is some level of cachet that he has

00:14:05.200 for some reason that nobody's ever quite been able to put their finger on,

00:14:09.360 the same way that nobody's ever been able to quite put their finger on these missing tapes and videos and DVDs

00:14:15.940 that were supposedly also in that New York townhouse that went missing when the FBI searched it.

00:14:23.280 So, look, there's been a lot of—there's a lot of angles being examined here.

00:14:28.580 Here's one that I want to examine that I think is interesting,

00:14:32.180 because, Blake, I'm going to try to de-normie you, and I think we're getting close.

00:14:35.700 Many have tried.

00:14:36.400 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:14:37.700 Hold on, hold on.

00:14:38.560 I think I finally got a concession from Blake where Blake threw his hands up,

00:14:43.120 was like, I've been waiting for this.

00:14:44.720 I've been waiting for this, okay?

00:14:46.380 So, I'm big on the blackmail thing, as you well know,

00:14:48.700 meaning I think that people are getting blackmailed all the time.

00:14:51.000 I think it's this nonstop blackmail operation, okay?

00:14:54.260 And you say, oh, no, this is not true.

00:14:56.360 You know, stop believing that people meet in private rooms and do this stuff.

00:14:59.420 But you conceded a little bit when this Tim Burchette guy came out, right?

00:15:05.580 Would you agree, Blake?

00:15:06.520 I always was complaining that everyone's, like, saying there's blackmail everywhere,

00:15:10.840 but, like, you know, there's hundreds of people.

00:15:12.640 Someone should come out and say, oh, they're, you know, they're blackmailing us.

00:15:15.500 And finally, Burchette did come out.

00:15:17.020 He did say it rather bluntly.

00:15:18.500 Like, it wasn't cryptic.

00:15:20.360 It wasn't Cody's eye.

00:15:21.340 And then we're kind of sitting there, and I'll say,

00:15:24.240 whether you're like, you're like a woman, you're like a man,

00:15:26.480 they came up here, and they just kind of get a naked picture with you.

00:15:29.680 And so that said, okay, that's cool.

00:15:33.460 Who?

00:15:33.900 Like, would it be nice if you guys gave us a name?

00:15:36.700 Sorry, like, I think you have a moral obligation.

00:15:38.900 If there's a big conspiracy that you know about,

00:15:41.900 and it's not like they can just, you know, publicly whack him once he says it.

00:15:46.160 So just come out and say.

00:15:47.820 We have it here.

00:15:48.600 I'm trying to find – we have two different cuts.

00:15:50.340 We played one on the show today that wasn't – it's from Benny Johnson's show.

00:15:54.060 He did a great job.

00:15:55.040 But let's play cut 38.

00:15:58.040 There's a – I don't know if this is the best one.

00:15:59.720 Let's play cut 38.

00:16:00.540 So you're saying that right now, currently, ongoing in our Congress,

00:16:05.800 there are members of Congress who have been compromised by either special interests

00:16:09.540 or the intelligence community to not give the American public information on Jeffrey Epstein?

00:16:15.620 I believe so, 100 percent, 100 percent.

00:16:19.980 I want to tell you one quick thing.

00:16:21.660 I know this – it's a little different, but I've been involved in the UFO, UAP issue.

00:16:26.000 And, you know, like I said, I'm not going to bring out little green men in a flying saucer, 1.00

00:16:29.480 but it's about transparency.

00:16:31.320 I had an amendment on the FAA reauthorization bill that said if an American pilot sees a UAP,

00:16:38.480 an anomaly or something, and they make a report to the FAA,

00:16:41.760 that report has to be – has to be made available to Congress.

00:16:46.120 I was told by the whip, I said, what happened to my amendment?

00:16:49.160 And he said, it was killed by the intelligence community.

00:16:52.400 And I said, you mean the intelligence committee?

00:16:54.560 And he said, no, the intelligence community.

00:16:57.220 It was not even brought up.

00:16:59.540 And these are unelected bureaucrats that have that much control. 1.00

00:17:04.340 And so, yeah, we've got to start electing people with guts in both parties.

00:17:08.180 This pandering stuff that's going on now, it's just a distraction.

00:17:12.180 Now, there's a better tape, but, Blake, is that persuasive,

00:17:15.240 that the intelligence community would actually interfere with legislation and or blackmail lawmakers?

00:17:21.260 They definitely do that. 0.88

00:17:22.320 I love that euphemism, by the way, intelligence community.

00:17:25.540 The CIA.

00:17:26.320 Like, go visit the intelligence community.

00:17:28.040 They all live on, you know, just by South Mountain.

00:17:30.720 They live in one – they live in a very wealthy community.

00:17:32.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:33.600 So, but first of all, again, you can always think of the sort of normie versions of this.

00:17:38.740 It's like, okay, they don't – the intelligence community doesn't want you to make a report of every UFO sighting

00:17:44.020 because it will turn out that some of them are, you know, the boring old – this is the black, you know, 1.00

00:17:48.620 the blackbird doing its, like, secret flights, and we can't publicize that. 0.99

00:17:53.100 And so they would kill it for that reason.

00:17:55.780 But, again, it's – it is nice that he cannot –

00:17:59.460 If Blake works with Tucker, he used to just, like, throw stuff past Tucker's window every once in a while

00:18:03.700 to try to make him think that there were UAPs going –

00:18:05.940 Yeah, that was always my job.

00:18:07.480 That was a frisbee.

00:18:08.160 So, keep our cameras up if you guys can with the video in the middle.

00:18:11.520 I don't know if you can technically do that.

00:18:12.820 If you can, it'd be great.

00:18:14.140 Can you do that?

00:18:14.680 Thank you.

00:18:15.080 Okay, play this.

00:18:15.720 I want your reaction, Blake.

00:18:17.040 This is as blunt as you're going to get.

00:18:18.480 This is a member of Congress.

00:18:19.920 Again, Madison Cawthorne was ridiculed for this. 1.00

00:18:22.240 Hold on.

00:18:22.560 We got Epstein.

00:18:23.640 We got Madison Cawthorne.

00:18:25.080 We now got Burchette, who's a smooth-talking Southerner, Christian guy.

00:18:28.500 He is as clear as it gets, who says people whisper in your ear to get you to vote a certain way.

00:18:35.720 Okay, all right, let's play this.

00:18:37.100 It's 88.

00:18:37.960 Keep us around the edge, please.

00:18:40.980 Congressman, you represent the state of Tennessee.

00:18:43.020 Marsha Blackburn has been completely blackballed in the Senate for asking for these flight logs to be released 1.00

00:18:49.920 and for this client list to be released.

00:18:51.700 It seems like now you are fighting with her in the House.

00:18:56.040 Why the protection mechanism?

00:18:57.820 And more importantly, you mentioned recently in an interview that there may be some members of Congress

00:19:03.940 who are personally compromised by this, and they don't want the truth to get out.

00:19:09.320 Can you expound on that?

00:19:10.460 Yeah, 100%.

00:19:11.420 You got powerful people, and they write the big checks.

00:19:14.540 Well, let's be honest.

00:19:15.580 And powerful people in this country, they write the big checks.

00:19:19.100 And they're the ones out on the tarmac when the president comes and visits, whichever party they're in.

00:19:25.780 They always either are out on the tarmac or in the private room.

00:19:29.220 They're the ones that write the big checks.

00:19:31.300 They don't care who's in it.

00:19:32.380 They hate this country.

00:19:33.540 They hate what we're about.

00:19:34.480 But they love their portfolios, and they love their money more than they do anything else.

00:19:38.580 And they protect it, and they protect the people that do that.

00:19:42.400 And by doing so, you know, the whole honeypot.

00:19:44.260 The Russians do that, and I'm sure members of Congress have been caught up. 0.98

00:19:47.660 Why in the world would good conservatives vote for crazy stuff like what we've been seeing out of Congress?

00:19:54.900 It's how it works.

00:19:56.120 You're visiting.

00:19:56.880 You're out of the country.

00:19:57.840 You're out of town, or you're in a motel or bar in D.C., and whatever you're into, women or men or whatever, comes up.

00:20:07.860 And they're very attractive, and they're laughing at your jokes, and you're buying them a drink.

00:20:12.500 Next thing you know, you're in the motel room with them naked.

00:20:16.340 And next thing you know, you know, you're about to make a key vote, and what happens?

00:20:21.400 Some well-dressed person comes up and whispers in your ear, hey, man, there's tapes out on you.

00:20:26.100 Were you in a motel room on whatever with whoever?

00:20:29.620 And then you're like, uh-oh, and said, you really ought not be voting for this thing.

00:20:34.800 I mean, you know, and what do they do?

00:20:36.060 It's human nature.

00:20:36.840 It's human nature, and, you know, no man or no woman actually is an island, and they know what to get at.

00:20:43.340 You know, if it's women, drugs, booze, it'll find you in D.C. and in most elected offices, and that's what people of power and influence do. 1.00

00:20:52.080 And it's just, you know, I've been in this game my whole life.

00:20:55.040 I spent 16 years in the state legislature in Tennessee and eight years as county mayor, and now I'm in my fifth year of Congress.

00:21:01.140 But it's just, the stakes are higher, but the game is still the same.

00:21:06.420 Jack, so did you find that persuasive?

00:21:09.420 Well, so, notice the catch where he says, I'm sure members of Congress have this happen.

00:21:14.300 But then, hold on, then he said it gets very specific.

00:21:16.500 It does, but, okay, so then you can turn this around.

00:21:18.780 All right, so, Brichette, if you know specific examples, are there members of the Republican Committee who are compromised this way?

00:21:23.700 Let's get them on the show.

00:21:24.760 Andrew, book them up.

00:21:25.580 I don't want to know it. 0.90

00:21:26.320 Like, I feel like it's such crap where they come out and they're like, yeah, I know all this lurid stuff. 0.98

00:21:32.180 They're compromised members of Congress. 0.98

00:21:33.520 Do you know who they are?

00:21:34.600 If you do.

00:21:35.360 So, Jack, you've been accused of being a foreign spy.

00:21:37.720 Talk about brownstoning and all this stuff.

00:21:40.320 What's going on here?

00:21:41.020 Okay, so this is one of the reasons that I brought up the type of house that Epstein had because the term brownstoning and brownstoning operations, it actually goes back to these types of houses that were used predominantly throughout New York City.

00:21:59.840 They're walk-ups, it's a sandstone facade, and it's because the NYPD and the FBI used to use them to set up sting operations in them, and, you know, the brownstone front is sort of like a fake business.

00:22:10.940 But over the years, it came to be known as, you know, setting up the type of operation of entrapment and blackmail scheme in which individuals, often minors, are used to lure influential people into these compromising situations.

00:22:24.960 The goal is to capture incriminating evidence, so you might get photographs, you might get videos, and then, of course, that can be used to target the, you know, used against the targets as leverage to do their bidding.

00:22:37.660 So, obviously, devastating consequences.

00:22:40.620 This type of operation has been talked about for years.

00:22:45.060 There's been, there are lots of stories written about that Ben Franklin was involved in this type of stuff when he was over in France, for example.

00:22:52.240 They had things called the Hellfire Club, which were known as sort of gentlemen's sex clubs.

00:22:57.680 And, in fact, oh, by the way, you don't have to listen, take my word for it, Jake Tapper wrote a whole book about it called The Hellfire Club, which is set in the 1950s in Washington, D.C.

00:23:08.840 Now, of course, Jake Tapper says that it's all fictional and none of this would ever actually happen.

00:23:14.600 This definitely isn't based on anything that Jake Tapper may have heard about and decided to want to reveal through a fictional novel.

00:23:21.440 I mean, that would just be silly.

00:23:22.700 Who would ever do such a thing?

00:23:24.280 Hold on, hold on.

00:23:25.200 But we have real proof of this.

00:23:26.920 Now, throw up image 87.

00:23:29.000 This is a story from today, an exclusive from Daily Mail.

00:23:32.940 High-end sex ring in Boston and D.C. areas was honeypot schemed by Russia, China, South Korea. 0.75

00:23:38.920 Oh, intelligence agencies would never.

00:23:41.340 No, Andrew, come on.

00:23:43.080 And this is to ensnare U.S. officials, intelligence experts believe.

00:23:46.440 I read this whole piece.

00:23:47.480 And I'll tell you, as the resident former member of the intelligence community, I can confirm that the intelligence agencies would never, ever use sex trafficking or sex to compromise individuals to steal secrets.

00:24:07.840 Never, ever put your life on it.

00:24:10.080 This is why it's actually way more interesting than that, because this story broke.

00:24:15.060 And Charlie will remember the day this broke, because your tweet on it went, like, viral.

00:24:18.980 It was, I think, November 8th or 9th.

00:24:21.280 It was the same day that there was a vote in the House to approve $300 million of additional spending for the FBI HQ, which is supposed to be bigger than the Pentagon, right?

00:24:35.680 And this comes amid all the information, all the grassroots uproar about spying on the Catholic Church, about infiltration on J6, the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

00:24:46.540 It comes amid surveilling white domestic terrorists, domestic extremists, all of this reallocation of FBI resources off legitimate crime and to basically surveil MAGA, right?

00:25:00.120 So we have all of this backstory, and then somehow, miraculously, this brothel gets raided, and then the next day there's a vote in the House.

00:25:10.480 Blake's not convinced.

00:25:11.660 And 70 Republicans vote to expand the footprint of a new FBI HQ.

00:25:17.180 Well, then, okay, so then are we just going to say it?

00:25:19.280 We're just like, okay, here's these 70 Republicans. 1.00

00:25:21.480 They all had sex with hookers, and the FBI blackmailed them. 0.99

00:25:25.300 But nobody does that. 0.97

00:25:26.760 Nobody ever accuses a specific person.

00:25:28.780 And if we're going to accuse anyone, again, I'm not in Congress, but I could start thinking of some.

00:25:35.460 Andrew, can you think of his name?

00:25:36.620 I can think of a lot, and I can think of one who, it doesn't seem to change how he actually behaves in terms of, you know, votes.

00:25:42.560 So let me just make sure I understand.

00:25:44.360 Do you think there's no blackmail?

00:25:45.740 Blake, you're also saying that it changes how he behaves.

00:25:49.020 That doesn't necessarily mean that's what they're after, right?

00:25:52.320 This could be used as a source.

00:25:54.120 They could be used as someone who's procuring things for them.

00:25:56.620 This could be used for a variety of tasks.

00:26:00.180 And, in fact, it could be used for nothing and simply wait as an insurance policy for when you need something. 1.00

00:26:06.460 What I would say is there's a million examples of our intelligence community being, like, an idiot clown show. 0.98

00:26:13.920 I mean, these guys make ads about, like, wise Latinas that they've hired who, like, state their pronouns. 0.99

00:26:20.840 And then as soon as we get into the realm of uncertainty, we kind of require this assumption that they're incredibly effective operators who never screw up.

00:26:29.020 And I think that's what stands out the most to me about this.

00:26:31.440 We know about the FBI's blackmail attempt on Martin Luther King Jr., you know, 50 years ago.

00:26:36.540 So that was real?

00:26:36.900 That was real.

00:26:37.620 Okay.

00:26:37.840 And it was, one, we know about it.

00:26:39.420 Two, it didn't work. 1.00

00:26:41.200 Three, it was clownish and stupid. 1.00

00:26:43.980 Like, they just send him this letter and they're like, hey, Martin, you should kill yourself or bad stuff will happen. 1.00

00:26:51.340 And that's essentially what they tried to do.

00:26:52.900 So we know about this and it didn't work.

00:26:55.060 And so since then, I guess all of the blackmail works and never gets publicized in any way.

00:27:02.040 And, you know, what stands out is that when we're learning about Epstein, when the early CIA, the CIA and the FBI would do all this, like, spy craft stuff.

00:27:11.480 And they're usually sort of bad at it and they get caught and it's, it's, like, embarrassing to them.

00:27:17.300 And all the stuff that is recently alleged requires that they be incredibly effective.

00:27:22.340 You only know about the operations they got caught on.

00:27:24.360 Well, hold on.

00:27:25.360 Blake, you made a point earlier that you said a lot of this is maybe puffery.

00:27:29.500 A lot of this is sort of, like, staging.

00:27:31.620 I mean, I think the way, I mean, Charlie, Jack, we've had conversations about this where people that are, you know, that we run into at different occasions or events and we literally look at each other and we go, yeah, probably an op, probably a spy.

00:27:50.040 Like, be on your guard.

00:27:51.360 But there are always these characters.

00:27:53.340 But, but yes, what I'm, what I'm saying is, is that the way the Intel influence ops tend to work under my understanding, it's very much on a need to know basis.

00:28:04.440 People are not incentivized to expose these things.

00:28:07.480 It's, it's much, the guys in the DEI office are, so you want some, you want some examples?

00:28:12.340 Denny Hassert was Speaker of the House Senator George W. Bush. 0.90

00:28:14.680 He was literally a pedophile. 0.99

00:28:16.540 Well, he was, like, having sex with, like, 16-year-old boys or whatever. 0.99

00:28:19.460 Is that a pedophile, Jack? 0.98

00:28:20.400 No, no, it's not.

00:28:20.900 Last time I checked the criminal code.

00:28:22.320 That's not pretty sure by definition, yes.

00:28:23.580 Technically, that's a pedophile as opposed to a he or a he-bophile. 0.99

00:28:27.420 Yeah, no, it's a pedo. 1.00

00:28:28.240 You're a pedo. 0.98

00:28:29.040 I mean, if he's, like, 16-year-old boys, that's, like, legal in half the U.S. 1.00

00:28:32.320 Okay, I say pedophile. 0.67

00:28:33.720 Whatever. 0.65

00:28:34.520 Okay, so was Dennis Haster blackmailed?

00:28:36.880 Do we have any other things?

00:28:37.740 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:28:38.740 That's the question.

00:28:39.860 So hold on.

00:28:40.520 I gave you to him.

00:28:41.360 Time out, time out.

00:28:42.200 So was he blackmailed?

00:28:43.620 Well, we know all this stuff eventually came out.

00:28:45.960 It's not unreasonable to believe that somebody might have known about his behavior, his shenanigans,

00:28:53.420 and he just kind of did what was necessary.

00:28:56.020 Well, that's the question, Blake.

00:28:57.400 I could go through so many other examples, by the way.

00:29:00.400 Aaron Schock from Illinois is another one, right? 0.98

00:29:02.960 Not the pedophile thing, but being gay. 0.98

00:29:05.860 But here's the thing, Blake. 0.94

00:29:07.380 How about it doesn't all have to be about sexual stuff, right?

00:29:10.160 It might be a stock tip, right?

00:29:12.320 And they have proof that this, you know, congressman or woman took a stock tip, acted on it.

00:29:19.440 They have proof of it.

00:29:20.500 And then they go, hey, we could get you for insider trading or whatever, right?

00:29:24.280 So it might be a variety of different things.

00:29:27.160 And we sort of have to question ourselves.

00:29:28.860 Why does the conservative party, the Republican party, not vote conservative so often?

00:29:34.860 Why are they constantly influenced to vote the other way?

00:29:37.600 So it might not be that the threat is that they're going to completely take them out.

00:29:41.200 It might just be like, hey, vote this way on this vote.

00:29:43.360 You can see your thing on the other vote.

00:29:43.740 Well, I think a pretty straightforward answer is we elect people who don't believe these things that we claim they want to do.

00:29:49.880 We agree with that.

00:29:50.560 But then it also creates raw material for the intel agencies.

00:29:53.920 I guess what I would say is, is there a good example of a Republican who, like, consistently voiced their opinion against these certain things and then just totally flipped on the vote inexplicably?

00:30:05.100 That would be stronger evidence of black men.

00:30:07.180 No, it would be.

00:30:08.160 It would be.

00:30:08.460 Yeah.

00:30:08.640 Or sorry.

00:30:09.100 Go ahead, Andrew, who like the truth is, we just have dozens of Republicans or Ken Buck or there would also is what they do is they create, according to Bershatt and other people, this massive sort of Damocles where it's like they know and you know they know.

00:30:22.900 And over a period of time, you just kind of go with what is fashionable and you don't try to make too many waves.

00:30:29.980 Let's look at another example.

00:30:31.020 Forget the intel agency thing, but just look at how well, actually, it is the intel agency.

00:30:36.420 The facts are part of this, but look what they did to Matt Gaetz.

00:30:40.600 I mean, Matt Gaetz, they went after him so hard because he was making waves, right?

00:30:44.680 Yeah.

00:30:45.100 And they won.

00:30:45.980 They failed.

00:30:46.880 And two.

00:30:47.480 Well, they barely failed.

00:30:48.920 And two, has Matt Gaetz ever come out and been like, I was confronted with blackmail threats?

00:30:53.920 I think that would be a good example.

00:30:55.020 Well, I mean, first of all, he didn't bend the knee to the blackmail threats.

00:30:59.900 He knew these investigations.

00:31:01.080 But if he was making threats, I think he could come out and say, hey, I was approached by someone who said, we're going to make your life really bad on this thing, that thing, that thing, unless you, you know.

00:31:08.880 It was probably more subtle, but I think Matt would agree.

00:31:11.380 He said he was extorted for money, though, right?

00:31:12.300 Yeah.

00:31:12.700 By the way, a guy went to jail.

00:31:14.300 He was extorted.

00:31:14.920 So he got extorted in the private sector.

00:31:16.780 That happens for sure.

00:31:17.720 For sure.

00:31:18.180 He was a guy that was like a former prosecutor.

00:31:19.280 But if anyone, you know, if anyone, well, you know, has the ideology and, you know, the lifestyle that could combine to make him be a blackmail target, it's Matt Gaetz.

00:31:30.360 And yet, it seems that whatever they tried to do to Matt Gaetz didn't involve directly blackmailing him, as in, we will do this unless you change your behavior.

00:31:39.580 Or if it did, he hasn't alleged it.

00:31:41.400 Or maybe he was so disagreeable and just kept on saying he was insistent and that he, then they, they went scorched earth and they said they leaked, the Department of Justice leaked that they had an active trafficking investigation into Gaetz.

00:31:55.440 And I think, I think, to try to put him in a box and in some ways it worked for a little bit.

00:31:58.840 What my frustration here is, is this is a very long running conservative and just really political belief.

00:32:06.400 It's, you know, when people, you know, like when an army loses a battle, they always claim that they were betrayed.

00:32:12.280 That's why they lost the battle.

00:32:13.360 This is what, you know, the Nazis were obsessed with.

00:32:14.800 They lost World War I because they got betrayed by somebody.

00:32:17.040 And when factions lose struggles, they like to look for traitors.

00:32:22.260 They like to look for how someone undermined them.

00:32:25.100 This is true.

00:32:25.900 And it's very tempting.

00:32:27.520 Scapegoats.

00:32:27.980 Yeah, they like scapegoats and they like the idea that, you know, they only lost because someone undermined them.

00:32:32.000 Isn't this the opposite of that?

00:32:32.660 And this is what it manifests as is conservatives love looking for blackmail.

00:32:39.820 They love looking for kind of secret conspiracies, you know, pedophile rings, all that stuff.

00:32:43.560 And what I think can often be the case is more mundane.

00:32:47.420 Like, OK, why do Republicans disappoint us?

00:32:49.200 Well, we nominate and elect Republicans who are kind of pro all these things we dislike.

00:32:54.320 You know, they're not as conservative as we are publicly.

00:32:59.040 And so there's that.

00:33:01.220 And as you say, you know, this can be explained by mundane things like, OK, the DOJ leaked stuff about Gates.

00:33:06.420 That could be because it's fulfilling blackmail or it could be because the DOJ is full of liberals who don't like Matt Gates.

00:33:13.100 And they want to damage him just the same way it was with Trump.

00:33:15.340 You know, all the stuff that's anti-Trump.

00:33:17.060 Let me ask you a hypothetical.

00:33:18.300 Let me finish this, please.

00:33:19.820 All the stuff that's anti-Trump isn't because they're all trying to blackmail Trump.

00:33:23.260 It's because they hate Trump and they do stuff politically to hurt him for political reasons.

00:33:28.880 If Matt Gates would have come out and all of a sudden started to sound like Adam Kinzinger, do you think they would have proceeded?

00:33:36.040 Probably not.

00:33:36.980 OK, that's the point.

00:33:38.380 But is that?

00:33:39.520 No, that's the point.

00:33:40.480 The point is that if you vote and act a certain way, the dogs don't get unleashed.

00:33:45.080 Hold on.

00:33:45.460 You just blackmail, though.

00:33:46.840 That's just like mundane political corruption.

00:33:49.220 Well, like that's Hunter Biden is not, you know, being spared because of blackmail.

00:33:53.440 Hunter Biden is spared because he is the son of a liberal president.

00:33:56.320 And so he's not a target.

00:33:57.460 We are willing.

00:33:58.400 Jack and I and Andrew are willing to go to that step.

00:34:00.300 By the way, definitely someone who had blackmail.

00:34:03.160 Yeah, there's tons of blackmail on him.

00:34:04.940 And yet it doesn't seem to have it seems to just manifest as he gets protected.

00:34:10.120 So the outside of all.

00:34:12.920 And I think it's not just sex crimes.

00:34:14.520 I think Andrew is right.

00:34:15.700 So let me ask you another question.

00:34:17.180 Do you think Bernie Sanders political decisions was influenced at all by his wife being under criminal investigation in Vermont?

00:34:23.960 Yes, I think so.

00:34:26.260 I doubt it.

00:34:27.540 Jack, do you think that Bernie Sanders political decisions were influenced by his wife being under criminal federal investigation for the handling of that defunct university in Vermont?

00:34:38.020 I think Chuck Schumer once said that the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you.

00:34:44.080 And I think that Chuck Schumer knows a lot more about all of this stuff than any of us do.

00:34:48.280 Who, Chuck Schumer, who, by the way, very interestingly, someone that he may know or potentially someone related to him, I'm not sure, appears on page 39 of the Epstein flight logs.

00:34:58.140 And I've been talking about this all week on Twitter and on my programs that there is a guy by the name of Chuck Schum.

00:35:05.160 So Chuck Schumer, almost the exact same name, but Chuck Schum, without the R, who appears on page 39, flew on New Year's Day, 1996, from Palm Beach Island to Teterboro, which is in New Jersey, but also services the New York City area.

00:35:23.680 Very interestingly, right around where Chuck Schumer was.

00:35:28.800 And Gwendolyn Beck also happened to be on the plane at that time.

00:35:33.220 Gwendolyn Beck was the mistress of Bob Menendez.

00:35:36.080 So just, you know, since we're talking about blackmail and brownstoning and all of these things, it's interesting that Chuck Schum and Gwendolyn Beck were on the same Epstein flight. 0.74

00:35:44.000 So, so, this is all...

00:35:45.800 Okay, so I want to...

00:35:46.180 Hold on, let...

00:35:47.360 Go ahead.

00:35:48.000 I just, I want to push back, for example, on the Sanders thing.

00:35:50.960 And it's very easy to build these elaborate stories when it's vague.

00:35:54.940 But, okay, so the specific thing is, Christina Nolan was the U.S. attorney for Vermont, 2017 to 2021.

00:36:01.240 She was a Republican who was appointed by Trump.

00:36:04.420 So are we alleging that the Trump administration, which inherited this investigation from the Obama days, because it began with the Obamas, I believe, and they investigated this thing that they got from Democrats for several years and then decided, we're going to drop it as part of a blackmail deal with Bernie Sanders.

00:36:20.180 Which means that the Trump administration is blackmailing far-left Democrats.

00:36:23.280 I'm not even sure what I'm alleging.

00:36:26.200 I'm bringing it up as a question.

00:36:28.860 So you said, when did the investigation start?

00:36:31.380 Well, I believe it started around 2015 or 2016.

00:36:33.260 Okay, that proves my point.

00:36:34.240 That's when the college failed.

00:36:35.020 It proved my point.

00:36:36.040 So the point is that under Obama...

00:36:38.180 They were prepping for...

00:36:39.300 Well, they didn't want him to run third party and potentially run spoiler against Hillary Clinton, because he had something super special.

00:36:46.780 And they wanted him to get in line.

00:36:49.520 And one of the ways you do that, and I'm sure he was worried about something around this college.

00:36:54.860 It was a warning shot.

00:36:55.780 And it may have not even been a warning shot.

00:36:58.020 But if you find out your wife is under criminal investigation for the handling of a college, you know what that means if you're Bernie Sanders.

00:37:05.520 He runs again in 2020.

00:37:07.260 And this doesn't revive.

00:37:08.760 The investigation doesn't come back.

00:37:10.960 Well, hold on.

00:37:12.140 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:13.180 Because Bernie behaved.

00:37:15.620 Bernie behaved.

00:37:16.280 Bernie had it stolen again in 2020.

00:37:18.420 He ran again in 2020.

00:37:19.520 And it was looking like he was going to win for a bit.

00:37:22.260 They had a fire drill to make it go to Biden, remember?

00:37:25.600 He never did the next thing where he complained about the process.

00:37:29.120 He endorsed Biden.

00:37:30.640 He got in line.

00:37:31.960 Boring explanation for this.

00:37:33.760 But hold on.

00:37:34.140 Bernie is a liberal who didn't want Trump to win.

00:37:36.860 So he didn't want to run third party and sabotage it.

00:37:39.180 Or he's a revolutionary that got blackmailed.

00:37:41.580 I just or I think, you know, are you familiar with Occam's razor?

00:37:45.620 I'm familiar with the concept.

00:37:47.240 Yes.

00:37:47.660 I just think Occam's razor is Bernie is a liberal.

00:37:49.680 And, you know, it's the same thing we would say with a Republican.

00:37:51.800 If, you know, if some Republican loses a race other than, you know, probably Donald Trump would do it.

00:37:56.480 But most Republicans, even if they lose in a shady manner, aren't going to hand a race to a Democrat.

00:38:00.660 Hold on, Blake.

00:38:01.340 Blake, let's play Cup 47.

00:38:02.980 This is the Six Ways to Sunday clip.

00:38:04.880 We played it earlier today.

00:38:06.140 And I noticed something about it that I'd never noticed before.

00:38:09.120 If you play it and you play the wait, wait till he sees, wait, wait till Schumer says they have Six Ways to Sunday of getting back at you, right?

00:38:16.940 You can almost see in the clip that Schumer realizes he said something he shouldn't have said and then he quickly falls in line and then says something positive about the intel agencies, right?

00:38:28.540 It's almost like the guys who know know not to piss them off.

00:38:33.460 And that was the whole point of saying, like, Trump's really pissed them off.

00:38:36.680 And actually, we really need them and they're great.

00:38:38.580 And, you know, you know, and you can see Rachel Maddow gets very surprised.

00:38:43.280 It's a very, very, very interesting clip.

00:38:45.140 So when you talk about Occam's razor, all of a sudden I look at this clip and I go, you're probably right, right?

00:38:51.320 It's like 70 Republicans vote for the FBI the day after the brothel gets raided.

00:38:55.560 OK, maybe not all 70 of them are compromised, maybe like 10, maybe 15.

00:39:01.460 Isn't that, you know, actually the most logical, you know, option here when we know that politicians have been philanderers since time immemorial?

00:39:09.160 I'm just saying.

00:39:09.840 So play Cup 47 and then watch the second half of this clip that most people don't watch.

00:39:15.140 This antagonism is taunting to the intelligence community.

00:39:18.400 Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. 0.98

00:39:23.700 So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. 0.65

00:39:29.440 What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were motivated to? 0.93

00:39:32.180 I don't know, but I, from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.

00:39:39.200 And we need the intelligence community.

00:39:41.320 We don't know what's going on.

00:39:41.960 Look at the Russian hacking.

00:39:43.900 Without the intelligence community, we wouldn't have discovered it.

00:39:47.480 Do you think he has an agenda to try to dismantle parts of the intelligence community?

00:39:51.080 I mean, this form of taunting hostility.

00:39:52.940 Whether you're a super liberal Democrat or a very conservative Republican, you should be against dismantling the intelligence community.

00:40:01.040 Oh, see, he's like the little puppet there at the end because he knew he was out of line.

00:40:06.540 He said too much.

00:40:08.560 So, and remember, Schumer always used to say, I don't have a personal animus against Trump.

00:40:12.960 I'm not like my colleagues.

00:40:14.240 I've known Trump for years.

00:40:15.320 I don't have a personal.

00:40:15.840 It was almost like a bit of humanity that came out of Schumer in that moment where he's like, hey, you know, to my friend, you should knock it off because they're going to get you.

00:40:25.060 And, yeah, at the same time, they kind of didn't.

00:40:29.520 Well, I mean, they tried very hard.

00:40:31.580 But, like, the worst they have is, like, Access Hollywood tape.

00:40:34.120 They went after Flynn.

00:40:34.980 And then they conjured up the fake Russian thing. 0.54

00:40:37.920 It's because Trump was so different.

00:40:40.020 I just feel like if they're capable of all that other underhanded stuff, they probably could have also, like, faked evidence the Russia hoax was real.

00:40:47.160 And they couldn't even manage that.

00:40:49.640 Well, they, I mean, what about all the color revolutions that have been run overseas?

00:40:54.800 I mean, we know that the Intel operations.

00:40:56.800 That's classic, though.

00:40:57.180 We love to, the intelligence community loves to claim credit for things that very well might have happened anyway or probably did happen anyway.

00:41:03.880 And then, you know, they kind of brush all of their other screw-ups under the rug.

00:41:08.480 But we still hear about a ton of them.

00:41:10.240 So, Blake's conspiracy theory is that the Intel agencies are incompetent.

00:41:13.880 It's okay.

00:41:14.220 The biggest conspiracy theory is, you know, again, everyone loves to take credit for things.

00:41:19.180 And yet every supposed success of our intelligence community requires perfect secrecy that they perfectly covered up their involvement.

00:41:25.060 I'm sorry, but the honeypot thing is not that complicated.

00:41:28.600 It's the oldest trick in the book.

00:41:30.060 You lure people and, you know, men, maybe some women in with beautiful women. 0.99

00:41:36.100 I mean, that's not complicated, and that's not that far of a stretch to believe that that would be the way that they operate.

00:41:42.400 And there's also, you know—

00:41:44.060 This is foreign actors in this particular instance.

00:41:47.980 So it doesn't always have to be our CIA or our FBI.

00:41:51.240 This could be Mossad.

00:41:52.180 This could be the CCP or, you know, the KGB.

00:41:56.580 We just don't know.

00:41:57.780 Let's play Cut 86.

00:42:00.060 No, no, no.

00:42:03.800 That's not the right one.

00:42:04.620 I don't know.

00:42:04.860 I'm sorry.

00:42:05.400 We have our numbers confused.

00:42:06.580 Sorry.

00:42:07.020 Continue.

00:42:08.140 No, no.

00:42:08.720 That's her. 0.88

00:42:09.240 That's her. 0.88

00:42:09.700 And that's Bruce Rufo behind the desk.

00:42:11.380 Yeah.

00:42:11.800 I recognize his haircut.

00:42:13.160 Yeah.

00:42:13.440 No, that's Chris.

00:42:14.520 Yeah.

00:42:16.540 So, yeah.

00:42:17.300 Harvard's straightening out.

00:42:19.120 Gay's gone down. 0.99

00:42:20.280 Gay's out. 1.00

00:42:22.040 Gay no more. 1.00

00:42:22.900 Gay no more, I think was the podcast title yesterday. 0.98

00:42:25.840 Wait. 0.99

00:42:26.000 We prayed the gay away. 1.00

00:42:27.020 We prayed the gay away. 1.00

00:42:29.100 Gay's gone. 1.00

00:42:30.440 Don't say gay. 0.99

00:42:32.080 And so. 0.99

00:42:32.620 You're saying God hates gay? 0.98

00:42:33.880 Is that what you're saying right now? 0.99

00:42:35.520 Wait.

00:42:35.800 So, is Harvard anti-gay?

00:42:37.440 It is at least. 0.93

00:42:38.520 They still have a lot of the gay. 1.00

00:42:39.900 I think she's still going to get like 900K a year to work in their African-American studies department. 1.00

00:42:44.800 So, they're just hiding this gay professor in the closet. 0.60

00:42:49.720 But, but, so big picture, of course, she got taken out in a plagiarism scandal. 1.00

00:42:55.620 The plagiarism is real.

00:42:56.780 It was kind of lame.

00:42:58.160 Like, a big highlight of this is sort of that the plagiarism standard at Harvard is extremely strict.

00:43:04.500 And so, it's a lot of things like a slightly rewording a thing and then also citing it.

00:43:09.920 But, like, you didn't cite it enough.

00:43:12.220 Or, like, you didn't put quotation marks around something.

00:43:15.660 The real scandal, of course, and J.D. Vance pointed this out either today or yesterday.

00:43:20.680 The real scandal is just that Claudine Gay was ever treated as a scholar in the first place.

00:43:27.060 She writes 11 papers over the span of about 25 years. 0.97

00:43:31.780 All just sort of, you know, race hustle crap. 0.98

00:43:35.360 And she just relentlessly rises up, you know, through the ranks at Harvard despite this total lack of scholarly excellence, as it were. 0.97

00:43:43.480 And she eventually is allowed to become president of Harvard University, which you don't have to be the best scholar in the world to be president of Harvard University.

00:43:53.420 But this is generally an office that has been held by very distinguished academics.

00:43:57.800 You know, as we mentioned yesterday, Larry Summers.

00:44:00.040 You don't have to agree with Larry Summers on everything.

00:44:01.760 He is an important American economist.

00:44:04.280 He advises presidents.

00:44:06.620 You know, Kagan wasn't head of Harvard, but was head of Harvard Law School.

00:44:09.100 Like, was in a pretty distinguished position as head of Harvard Law School.

00:44:12.740 And eventually ends up on the Supreme Court.

00:44:14.920 And then you just have Claudine Gay. 0.63

00:44:17.040 And she's just this academic bureaucrat non-entity who just, like, rises up as, like, a fungus. 0.99

00:44:26.420 Well, I mean.

00:44:27.960 And it really, I think, it's starting to hit people.

00:44:31.740 Blake Neff compares Claudine Gay to fungus.

00:44:34.820 It's just hitting people.

00:44:35.880 Blake is working hard to win the audience back, folks.

00:44:38.260 He's working hard.

00:44:39.120 Doing my best.

00:44:39.820 Doing my best.

00:44:40.260 There's a whole riot going on right now.

00:44:42.100 You have no, I'm trying to manage an insurrection in our Rumble chat.

00:44:46.380 Oh, in the chat.

00:44:47.280 In the Rumble chat.

00:44:48.180 We are, folks, we are reading the Rumble chat.

00:44:50.040 We are live tonight.

00:44:51.300 By the way, we're the number one stream on Rumble right now.

00:44:53.480 We're the number one stream on Rumble.

00:44:54.800 Text me, friends.

00:44:55.900 We're number one on Rumble right now.

00:44:57.240 The whole Rumble website.

00:44:58.560 Sorry, Blake.

00:44:59.840 Keep on.

00:45:00.180 A fungal, bacterial infection, cancer, tumor, virus, COVID.

00:45:04.420 Is there any other biological.

00:45:06.280 We're not just talking about Ron DeSantis.

00:45:08.780 Easy, Jack.

00:45:09.960 Easy.

00:45:10.340 I got to rein him in.

00:45:11.360 We still like Ron as a governor.

00:45:13.100 Reign it in.

00:45:14.200 Reign it in.

00:45:15.120 So.

00:45:15.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:16.060 He's got a couple more years until it hangs out.

00:45:17.360 And any, like, rat infestation?

00:45:19.240 Anything else you'd like to compare her to?

00:45:20.560 I don't know.

00:45:21.360 She's like, man.

00:45:24.220 The Black Plague?

00:45:26.300 Ooh.

00:45:26.560 That's getting spicy, Charlie.

00:45:29.220 Easy, guys.

00:45:31.020 But she was just.

00:45:32.460 Whoa, whoa.

00:45:33.040 All I said was DeSantis.

00:45:35.200 He started with fungus.

00:45:38.120 Yeah, I didn't call her Black Mold.

00:45:41.420 I didn't say that.

00:45:42.160 Yeah.

00:45:42.980 I didn't either.

00:45:43.940 The chat goes, we need Blake.

00:45:45.900 Blake is okay.

00:45:48.780 Yeah, someone else called me a word that I'm not going to repeat.

00:45:51.680 No, that's Blake.

00:45:51.980 That's just Blake's account.

00:45:54.020 But anyway, so.

00:45:54.940 Big picture. 0.58

00:45:56.560 I debated with my friends before Gay got de-gayed.

00:46:01.620 And I was debating with them.

00:46:04.120 Is it better for Gay to remain as president of Harvard or not? 0.93

00:46:07.180 Like, in a grand political scheme.

00:46:08.840 Because obviously Harvard has been super liberal well before her presidency. 0.91

00:46:14.160 It's been super liberal even when it had really impressive people leading it.

00:46:17.500 It's been a huge force of moving America to the left.

00:46:21.500 Because, you know, it commands a huge amount of prestige.

00:46:24.240 It's this huge producer of elites.

00:46:26.140 It acculturates elites to this sort of liberal mindset. 0.85

00:46:29.520 You know, the sort of Massachusetts standard of Boston Brahmins.

00:46:33.560 And it's been doing that for ages.

00:46:36.220 It will continue to do this.

00:46:37.380 So would it have been good if Claudine Gay remained the head of the university?

00:46:40.600 Because she would kind of discredit it?

00:46:42.640 Like, we want Harvard to have a joke of a president.

00:46:44.940 Because this would symbolically lower Harvard's standing.

00:46:49.620 Which would be good.

00:46:50.180 Yeah, that would be good.

00:46:51.620 And I go back and forth on that.

00:46:52.940 Because it is obviously also good for Harvard hired absolute joke of a president.

00:46:57.980 And she got fired in about a year because she was a joke. 1.00

00:47:01.100 That's also good.

00:47:02.000 But it's also possible that we just end up with a much more effective president of Harvard who is still going to be an arch liberal.

00:47:09.080 Yeah, I mean, I'm actually, I'm surprised they did not double and triple down and not give an inch to any of us.

00:47:17.340 Yeah.

00:47:17.500 I'm actually, I think this is amazing because it shows that we can effectuate change.

00:47:22.700 These people can be moved towards something.

00:47:25.200 Now, whether it's actual progress or not, we'll see.

00:47:28.560 But they're weaker than they have presented themselves.

00:47:31.300 It's kind of like, it's like Kamala Harris.

00:47:33.700 Like, would we rather have Kamala Harris as vice president being this sick joke and they can't get rid of Biden because Kamala is disastrously unpopular? 1.00

00:47:42.040 Or would we rather have, I don't know, for that matter, would we rather have Gavin Newsom?

00:47:46.840 Like a, you know, somehow a straight white guy who managed to claw his way up the Democratic Party, probably really smart and effective for that because he had to overcome all these affirmative action barriers against him.

00:47:56.880 That guy would probably be a lot more dangerous as vice president.

00:47:59.780 So we kind of like that Kamala Harris is there.

00:48:02.240 So similarly, if we view Harvard as this hostile institution whose influence we want to go down, we want this fungus president who's just gumming it up, you know, derailing it, turning it into a joke. 0.72

00:48:12.700 Not if we don't notice, though.

00:48:14.200 Not if we, not if everybody still is, not if everybody's still applying the same amount of prestige.

00:48:19.780 I think one of the best kind of messaging points here is that like, hey, if you go to Harvard, like, you know, we have less esteem for you now than we did before.

00:48:29.940 And that's something that Bill Ackman has been hitting on.

00:48:32.380 He's that the damage to the reputation of the university is something that grieves him, you know, as a former, as a Harvard alum.

00:48:39.640 But but I also think that the the the real issue here that we're kind of like talking around is the fact that all of this came to a head after October 7th.

00:48:49.820 October 7th is what, you know, essentially broke the back of DEI.

00:48:55.380 And, you know, I have a couple of thoughts on this.

00:48:57.760 The the voices like Bill Ackman and what's the guy at Penn?

00:49:03.320 I'm just blanking on his name.

00:49:04.540 Mark Rowan.

00:49:05.300 Mark Rowan, who really helped, like, lead the charge because of the anti-Semitism.

00:49:12.140 I think, you know, Blake, you were the one that shared this tweet.

00:49:15.480 It was a Fisher King tweet.

00:49:17.220 And I thought it was brilliant because what it what it was essentially.

00:49:20.860 I don't know if we can find that, Blake, maybe you know how to find it really quick.

00:49:23.960 But the tweet was that they are forcing the white majority that is, you know, becoming less and less of a majority until we're going to become a plurality soon enough,

00:49:34.980 especially with this border to sort of adopt certain identitarian, I don't know, you know, like a like an identity as a as a group within the with a country.

00:49:44.740 But we have not wanted to do that.

00:49:46.340 But they are forcing the white community, the white population in America to do that, which is a really interesting thing, 0.80

00:49:53.160 because what we watched with after October 7th was we saw the Jewish community sort of organize and coalesce and start, you know, shouting from the rooftops what was going on on campus was wrong.

00:50:03.820 It was wrong.

00:50:04.720 But it also exposed the fact that white Americans have basically and Christians have been the only groups not allowed to sort of say, hey, we're getting we're getting prejudiced against.

00:50:15.720 We're getting we're getting discriminated against. How come we don't have a voice in this, especially as we as we become more and more, I would say,

00:50:24.980 targeted, more and more victimized by this run amok DEI regime. 0.90

00:50:31.980 And then we have this crazy stat that came out. And Charlie, you did a great job highlighting it is that six percent in the year after BLM,

00:50:40.120 only six percent of was it S&P 100 jobs were given to white applicants.

00:50:45.700 Ninety four percent of jobs were given to black applicants.

00:50:49.800 And so now you've kind of got this, I think, interesting opportunity for October 7th tragedy,

00:50:57.420 as it was to sort of open the door to a larger conversation.

00:51:01.120 And people like Bill Ackman are actually getting on board with it.

00:51:04.160 And we're having this conversation with diversity in hiring and you have some people on one side of it, 0.98

00:51:10.320 like Mark Cuban, who's making a total ass of himself. Pardon the pardon the French for the podcast. 1.00

00:51:15.640 But you've got Mark Cuban on one side. You got Bill Ackman, Elon Musk on the other.

00:51:20.000 And it feels like for the first time after October 7th, again, tragedy that we are winning the debate.

00:51:28.160 And now we have X to thank for the fact that for the fact that our voice gets to be elevated and not suppressed.

00:51:33.860 We're winning the debate about this run amok DEI.

00:51:37.580 And I do think, ironically enough, October 7th will be the end of DEI as we know it.

00:51:43.540 Now, it's going to mutate and take other forms.

00:51:46.760 But as we know it, I think we are seeing the beginning of the end. I hope.

00:51:50.620 Yeah, and I hope that it doesn't metamorphosize into DEI with Jewish students protected, quote-unquote, carved out, but anti-white is fine. 0.90

00:52:04.140 That's like the fear.

00:52:05.140 That's where this is heading.

00:52:07.320 And honestly, it's probably the most likely outcome.

00:52:10.720 Yeah, like DEI plus is if you're getting like Hulu plus with an add-on, right?

00:52:14.760 Like, you get Hulu plus live TV, well, you get DEI plus, you know, protections for Jewish kids, but total anti-white hatred, still institutionalized.

00:52:25.380 Because are we really going to cleanse the institutions of all of this anti-white nonsense? 0.60

00:52:34.120 Like, really? No, of course not. 0.98

00:52:35.720 It's in the bones. It's in the fiber.

00:52:38.120 It's too foundational to, like, too much of what they believe.

00:52:40.820 You still see this in everything they write.

00:52:42.700 You know, you'll get these articles.

00:52:44.720 There was just another one, you know, the other day where they'll be like, you know, they'll compare, like, black life expectancy is lower than white life expectancy. 0.95

00:52:51.900 It's become because of white systemic racism, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:54.720 Because of diet. 0.93

00:52:55.240 And guess what?

00:52:55.940 Well, the funny thing about it is whites don't even have very good life expectancy in America. 0.95

00:53:00.660 Hispanics have higher life expectancy than white people.

00:53:03.140 Substantially, like two or three years, I think.

00:53:05.300 And, you know, that's despite being poorer.

00:53:07.420 That's despite whatever, you know, racism they encounter.

00:53:09.660 Sure. That's despite, I think they might even have a higher obesity rate or something.

00:53:13.220 Or it's, you know, it's at least comparable.

00:53:15.320 And then, of course, Asians also have a higher life expectancy. 0.84

00:53:19.140 And, you know, you still get these articles that just are like, hate whitey, whitey, whitey, whitey, whitey, whitey.

00:53:23.180 And that's all these universities, you know, you have people whose entire career. 0.75

00:53:27.600 The thing about Claudine Gay. 0.80

00:53:29.900 Go ahead.

00:53:30.520 The thing about Claudine Gay is that Claudine Gay's entire career is essentially built on, you know, get whitey. 0.80

00:53:37.960 Like, her academic discipline is born out of left-wing critical race theory politics.

00:53:43.260 Her papers, such as they are, are basically plagiarizing other people's work on critical race theory politics.

00:53:48.680 And so to say that you're just going to disassemble that overnight is very unlikely unless you have, you need, like, really revolutionary leadership.

00:53:58.340 You need people to come and say, we're going to, like, burst this, you know, amputate this entire tumor all at once.

00:54:04.680 It won't happen.

00:54:05.340 And, I mean, while the gay resignation, I guess, is good, still getting a $900,000 salary and still teaching at Harvard, it's not going to reform the institution. 1.00

00:54:16.380 You need a revolution in morals.

00:54:20.540 Go ahead, Jack.

00:54:21.200 So it's basically like you're saying that, and I agree with Blake wholeheartedly on this, that, you know, I don't think it's something you can just do overnight.

00:54:30.800 But there's a couple of different things.

00:54:32.700 And Andrew, I think, brought it up as well.

00:54:34.300 So you are dealing with whites now starting to view themselves more as a specific group, mostly because they've been forced to, by people in positions of power like Claudine Gay, constantly categorizing them as such in a way that whites I don't think internally have ever done.

00:54:52.640 It's only been externally through these new factors, but also since October 7th, and I know, Charlie, you took some heat from this because you mentioned, you dared mention Jewish donors when you were talking about the alumni who were very upset about what was going on, specifically in regards to anti-Semitism.

00:55:10.300 And your point was that you now have sort of these two batches or maybe three batches of groups, conservatives, of course, most directly being so upset and targeting these administrators and targeting this system.

00:55:27.120 The real question is, is this going to be enough to actually break?

00:55:31.960 And it's not just DEI because it's all affirmative action. 0.65

00:55:34.240 And Blake, you and I got into this in the Chronicle series in the fourth episode when we started talking about the 1960s, and that all of this, like, if you want to know where a wokeness comes from, you really do have to go all the way back to the 1960s.

00:55:46.940 So you can't just sit there and say, oh, well, this specific program is bad or this specific person is bad.

00:55:53.560 It's like we have to really go out and examine the structures on which all of this was built if we want to go back to the original republic, this idea.

00:56:04.520 And you and I got into it, we go into a lot about, you know, all men created equal, what does that mean, equality of outcomes, et cetera.

00:56:12.740 That, you know, and Charlie, I know in the conservative movement, we like to talk about that all the time, equality before the law, equality before the law.

00:56:18.400 But we've we've imported so many people in this country, millions and tens of millions of people into this country that have no idea what that distinction means.

00:56:28.020 They hear equality.

00:56:28.960 They look at the government and the relationship between the U.S. government and them as basically a social services compact because that's what it's like in their home countries.

00:56:36.840 And so they're like, all right, well, what do I get?

00:56:38.940 What am I getting out of this?

00:56:40.480 And if I'm not getting as much as that group or this group, then I'm going to demand it.

00:56:44.980 And that's how they vote with their politics.

00:56:46.300 And I know we're kind of getting into third topic territory.

00:56:49.440 I do want to get there eventually.

00:56:51.020 But I don't I think this is not necessarily something that's all right.

00:56:56.660 What they're trying to do is they're trying to get rid of DEI, but keep affirmative action. 0.78

00:57:01.440 And that's the problem.

00:57:02.740 You have to actually go back to the heart of it.

00:57:05.820 Well, and by the way, I'm not saying that the DEI is dead yet.

00:57:10.580 What I'm saying is you've got the ideological foundation because October 7th exposed a massive fault line in the ideology, right?

00:57:20.280 It exposed all the contradictions.

00:57:22.240 Now, there's two approaches here that you could take.

00:57:24.440 You could say, I'm pissed off that all the Jews got involved because of the anti-Semitism on campus.

00:57:29.840 Where were you before when they were blatantly anti-white and you didn't say anything? 0.94

00:57:33.980 I'm pissed. 0.84

00:57:34.580 I don't want to talk to you.

00:57:35.380 Some people have said that I take a different approach, although I understand the animosity and the frustration there.

00:57:41.440 But if people like Bill Ackman are going to wake up and include all groups, including white people, that they should not be discriminated against.

00:57:50.980 And, you know, if you read his long sort of screed on Twitter, he's actually saying like, hey, the most qualified person should be the next should be the next president of Harvard.

00:58:03.180 And by the way, you should fire all of the board.

00:58:05.380 So what I'm saying is it might take decades to fully root it out.

00:58:08.900 But for the first time ever, you know, we can go on.

00:58:12.800 Charlie, you've made this point.

00:58:13.900 It's like you can go on Twitter and say replacement theory is real.

00:58:16.820 It's not a theory.

00:58:17.340 It's a fact.

00:58:18.020 And it's like, you know, it's a ripple.

00:58:20.400 It's not even that big of a deal.

00:58:21.920 It's not like the Overton window has now moved.

00:58:24.480 And the people – the folks on the right that need to speak up are finally starting to do it and there's less fear involved.

00:58:30.900 And I would say ultimately that's what – that's why I think that the progress is moving in the right direction.

00:58:37.860 It's not dead yet.

00:58:38.500 It might take for a long time.

00:58:40.300 But ultimately, you know, one thing I would love to get into, maybe for another thought crime, is repeal the Civil Rights Act. 0.72

00:58:50.380 I mean we should reform that.

00:58:53.060 Yeah, we should reform the Civil Rights Act.

00:58:54.740 It's way too far-reaching.

00:58:57.920 Oh, yeah.

00:58:58.200 I mean we – that's – is that a thought crime anymore to say the Civil Rights Act was an awful idea?

00:59:01.960 No, I think over the last like three years it's become – it still probably is.

00:59:05.320 Give an abbreviated rundown of what you said the other day.

00:59:09.260 Well, I mean it's just that – first of all, it's like – it's almost like everyone got conned.

00:59:14.240 Like what we wanted was is in the 1950s we have the remnants of – I shouldn't say remnants.

00:59:20.440 It's still pretty strong.

00:59:21.020 Jim Crow in the south and in a few other places.

00:59:23.200 And people were sold this bill of goods that, okay, we'll pass this law to abolish this like overt government caste system over society. 1.00

00:59:33.000 And, you know, that's all it's going to be.

00:59:34.340 It's just going to be, you know, get rid of the really bad caste system stuff.

00:59:37.200 And then pretty much immediately we get, you know, modern DEI under a different name.

00:59:42.880 We start getting quota systems.

00:59:45.000 We start getting, you know, egregious racial favoritism.

00:59:48.260 Because people basically – equality is kind of traumatic to people.

00:59:52.200 Real equality because actual equal opportunity, it lays bare some things.

00:59:59.720 It lays bare that some people are more talented than others.

01:00:02.380 That some people work harder than others.

01:00:04.580 It lays bare that some people have better habits than others.

01:00:07.700 And that this produces different outcomes for others.

01:00:11.540 And it's very hard for people to accept this.

01:00:14.360 It is a challenging thing.

01:00:15.400 Having a liberal society in the small L sense is difficult for people.

01:00:21.160 And so instead, you know, what people want is they actually kind of do want equality of outcome.

01:00:26.300 A lot of people would prefer that.

01:00:27.820 And so you start getting right away aggressive interventions.

01:00:30.960 And so you start seeing all the stuff that is happening today is this payoff from it.

01:00:34.680 You know, how did Claudine Gay rise through academia?

01:00:37.320 Well, she's an African-American studies professor. 0.94

01:00:39.720 Why does that department exist?

01:00:40.980 Was there an African-American studies department at Harvard in 1820?

01:00:43.920 No.

01:00:44.500 No, there wasn't.

01:00:45.440 It's something that was created in the 60s.

01:00:46.860 No, it should be totally abolished.

01:00:48.040 Because protesters took over buildings and, like, made threats.

01:00:50.840 Yeah.

01:00:51.220 Make this bogus department.

01:00:53.020 Academic terror.

01:00:53.620 And at the time –

01:00:54.080 And Blake, you're –

01:00:56.060 At the time –

01:00:56.980 Oh, sorry, sorry.

01:00:58.400 Go ahead.

01:00:58.680 At the time, there's all these people who are saying, yeah, if you make this department,

01:01:02.280 it's just going to be this bogus political thing.

01:01:04.240 And all the classes will be easy.

01:01:06.200 By the way, African-American studies departments are famously brain-dead easy classes that you 1.00

01:01:10.440 can, like, write in crayon on the paper and get an A.

01:01:13.340 It's true.

01:01:14.040 And, you know, we do this in part because we have affirmative action to get into universities.

01:01:18.420 And so you have people who aren't smart enough to be in the school normally, so they fail

01:01:21.580 other classes.

01:01:22.060 So they need an easy department they can go to so that they can get good grades and then

01:01:25.700 justify all these other things.

01:01:26.840 It's like we've totally screwed up meritocracy at every level because of the DEI monstrosity.

01:01:34.220 And it's so much deeper than people think.

01:01:36.780 It is not even merely someone getting hired or promoted for the wrong reason.

01:01:40.520 It's like it's rotted away at our entire idea of a merit-based system.

01:01:45.400 The line you had that I thought was so great when we were talking about Martin Luther King

01:01:49.740 is you said that conservatives tend to mythologize MLK's I have a dream speech because they love

01:01:57.580 the words that he says in the speech.

01:01:59.840 But then you look at what happened with the movement next.

01:02:02.680 And the very next thing the movement pushed for was affirmative action.

01:02:06.540 So it was just like the Obama era where you have these wonderful, poetic, flowery speeches

01:02:11.460 that don't actually match up with anything that's going on on the ground.

01:02:15.680 Because here he is painting this wonderful picture of a colorblind society, but that's 0.99

01:02:19.920 not actually what the movement was reaching for.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, or it's even if it was what they were reaching for, the reality is traumatic.

01:02:28.320 You know, it's like we end up with race communism. 0.86

01:02:31.020 Yeah, you end up with race communism. 0.77

01:02:32.040 Or, you know, it could even be, you know, they'll say like Frederick Douglass would say,

01:02:35.440 you know, give us an equal chance and, you know, we'll succeed or fail.

01:02:38.320 Well, and then if you give them the equal chance and they kind of start failing in response

01:02:42.960 to it, you kind of have two options.

01:02:44.820 You can say we have severe problems, either culturally or otherwise, and those problems

01:02:50.340 might not even be easily fixable.

01:02:51.900 They might be impossible to fix.

01:02:53.660 Or you can believe actually there's, you know, hidden double secret racism.

01:02:57.300 There's systemic racism that hasn't been taken out.

01:02:59.740 Yes.

01:02:59.920 And it is extremely, you know, there is a strong incentive mentally to believe the second option.

01:03:06.300 It's understandable someone would want to believe the second option.

01:03:09.900 And, you know, you can get away with, get away from race for it.

01:03:12.320 You know, imagine in a religious basis, like let's say, you know, this branch of Christianity

01:03:18.720 does substantially worse on all these different measures from another one.

01:03:23.180 It's, you know, if you're in that community, it's really not pleasant to contemplate.

01:03:27.100 Maybe even if I believe this religion, maybe it has some aspect of it that causes us to be

01:03:32.600 held back culturally or otherwise.

01:03:35.180 And it's just, it's not pleasant to believe these things.

01:03:37.800 People don't like to believe unpleasant things.

01:03:39.840 People will embrace delusions and fantasies.

01:03:43.000 And the problem of DEI is we've essentially rebuilt our entire civilization around a fantasy.

01:03:50.200 And eventually the bill does come due, but it's a big country.

01:03:53.820 It can take decades and decades for it to happen.

01:03:55.880 And now we're seeing it.

01:03:57.200 Well, it's starting to come due.

01:03:57.880 Like South Africa. 0.71

01:03:59.680 Yes.

01:04:00.220 And it's starting to come due for a variety of reasons because it is at odds with truth

01:04:05.020 and justice.

01:04:05.780 Truth and justice are the immune system of any civilization.

01:04:10.460 And you suppress truth and justice, you get very, very sick.

01:04:15.000 And wokeism or DEI cannot exist with truth and justice, period.

01:04:19.060 Cannot.

01:04:19.880 Especially truth.

01:04:20.760 Because justice, you could have, truth is what leads to justice.

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01:05:22.620 All right, guys, we're a little low on time.

01:05:24.340 We can go a little over time.

01:05:25.400 How do you want to navigate and proceed?

01:05:27.020 We have a whole menu of stuff.

01:05:28.500 Should we just do that poll quick?

01:05:29.980 I mean, it kind of flows out of...

01:05:31.160 Well, the pledge.

01:05:31.860 Okay.

01:05:32.460 I think we go to the pledge because we're never going to get to it at this point.

01:05:35.200 I wanted to talk about this for four months now.

01:05:37.980 I think it's interesting.

01:05:39.580 Say what it used to be and now what it is.

01:05:41.000 Because it was so impossible one of them got removed, right?

01:05:44.760 So context is called...

01:05:45.660 We haven't even explained what the pledge is.

01:05:47.380 I'll do that.

01:05:48.140 Okay.

01:05:48.400 So we call it the pledge.

01:05:49.460 That's vague.

01:05:50.000 So it's called the Greer Head Pledge. 0.97

01:05:51.340 Scott Greer is a guy I used to work with at the Daily Caller.

01:05:53.740 He's got a blog now.

01:05:54.720 He's a guy on the right.

01:05:56.940 Controversial, favorable, disclaimer, whatever.

01:05:59.980 Highly respected, I hear.

01:06:01.080 Yeah, highly respected.

01:06:02.080 And so he has a thing he created called the Greer Head Pledge. 0.91

01:06:04.640 Because I guess his followers are Greer Heads for whatever reason. 1.00

01:06:07.880 And it's got four pieces of it.

01:06:10.280 It's like, you know, four things you should do to rebel against modern American cultural rot.

01:06:18.260 And the four things, as they currently are, are I will not smoke weed.

01:06:22.540 I will not get a tattoo.

01:06:24.780 I will not watch Marvel movies.

01:06:28.120 And...

01:06:28.640 Is it no alcohol?

01:06:30.020 No.

01:06:31.140 Weed, Marvel movies. 0.99

01:06:32.860 Crap, I'm totally spacing on the... 0.96

01:06:34.560 You just wrote it earlier. 0.97

01:06:35.660 You wrote it in the chat earlier.

01:06:36.340 I literally did.

01:06:37.560 There was no football either for a while, right?

01:06:38.520 There was...

01:06:38.960 There was...

01:06:39.820 I will not watch the NFL.

01:06:41.180 No rap music.

01:06:42.320 No rap music.

01:06:42.900 So this is easy.

01:06:43.620 I will not listen to rap music.

01:06:44.520 This is not even hard.

01:06:45.260 Don't smoke weed.

01:06:45.780 This is every day.

01:06:46.100 Don't watch a Marvel movie.

01:06:47.280 Don't get a tattoo.

01:06:47.960 Hold on, hold on.

01:06:48.480 Say it once without any crosstalk, Blake.

01:06:54.320 All right, all right.

01:06:54.760 Without any crosstalk.

01:06:55.700 Four parts of the current pledge.

01:06:57.500 I will not listen to rap music.

01:06:58.960 I will not get a tattoo.

01:07:00.260 I will not watch Marvel movies.

01:07:02.220 I will not smoke weed.

01:07:03.960 And I know it's very easy for you.

01:07:05.360 It's very easy for me as well, but it's very hard for a lot of people.

01:07:10.320 Something like 45% of Americans have tattoos now.

01:07:14.140 Rap music is extremely popular for some unfathomable reason.

01:07:17.440 Whoever wrote that must be 6'2 with an IQ around at least 187.

01:07:21.820 I know.

01:07:22.140 Probably measured scientifically.

01:07:23.100 Does it really have an IQ of 187?

01:07:26.580 I find this very hard to believe.

01:07:27.800 Yes.

01:07:28.440 Yes, he does.

01:07:29.620 Are you serious?

01:07:30.360 Yeah.

01:07:30.660 I'm not serious.

01:07:32.400 I can't tell if you're, like, mocking me.

01:07:35.260 No way.

01:07:37.220 It might be 188.

01:07:37.640 Charlie, we have data on this.

01:07:39.460 It was literally tested in the lab.

01:07:42.680 Yeah, he says it on his Twitter account.

01:07:43.840 Why would he put it on his Twitter account if it was not true?

01:07:46.340 Charlie, it's on Twitter.

01:07:48.380 Like, would he lie about his hype?

01:07:49.420 That's where the Epstein files are.

01:07:50.620 We need a community in there also.

01:07:52.280 So, to explain it more, because, again, one, this is bizarrely hard.

01:07:56.540 People love their weed for some reason.

01:07:58.320 People love their rap music for some reason.

01:08:00.160 And kind of each one of them, as he explains it, is sort of pushing back on, like, a degenerate angle of American culture, a way American culture is going rotten.

01:08:10.880 So, tattoo, and so that's why certain things could definitely be there.

01:08:14.600 Like, there's no, I will not use porn, but sort of the, no weed, kind of as part of that, it's that you're pushing back on this. 0.98

01:08:21.640 So, weed is that there's this widespread acceptance of, like, bad, addictive crap in American life.

01:08:27.580 That people are, you know, doing all these drugs, doing all this stuff that's self-destructive, and we just wallow in it. 0.98

01:08:33.280 And it's, you know, it's considered okay to talk about, you know, we have ads for it everywhere, and that's trashy.

01:08:38.600 And he's sort of saying, we should aspire to bring back kind of old 50s and before wasp culture. 0.91

01:08:44.340 Even if we're not wasps, that was a good culture that was good for America that we should aspire to.

01:08:48.840 Rap music.

01:08:49.440 It's about sort of like, you know, the underclass culture of America. 0.69

01:08:54.420 So, you know, extolling, you know, all this, you know, trashy stuff.

01:08:57.580 Rather than, like, good music.

01:08:58.700 And it's not that, you know, we're going to ban rap music, but it probably is not the best thing to extol.

01:09:03.320 Especially when, you know, the lyrics are, like, vulgar and violent and just, you know, very trashy.

01:09:08.720 And, just to finish it.

01:09:10.520 And then, the no Marvel movies thing.

01:09:12.120 It's not that Marvel itself is specifically ultra evil.

01:09:15.120 It's, as he describes it, it's pushing against, like, the Reddit culture of America.

01:09:18.580 So, being obsessed with franchises and, you know, oh, the new Star Wars movie.

01:09:23.580 Oh, my gosh.

01:09:24.480 And, like, being all into that.

01:09:25.460 Well, so, that was a good question.

01:09:26.600 Does Star Wars now count as a Marvel movie because Star Wars is technically under the same umbrella at Disney?

01:09:32.980 Like, there's the same people working on it.

01:09:34.400 I don't think it's not literally a Marvel movie.

01:09:36.280 But, spiritually, refusing to watch Star Wars does adhere with what the pledge is going for.

01:09:41.760 Which, we have all these people who care so much about Star Wars.

01:09:44.980 And, you can now find threads on Reddit.

01:09:47.180 I quit watching Game of Thrones in, what, Season 5, Episode 9.

01:09:53.040 So, I've never seen past Season 5, Episode 9 of Game of Thrones.

01:09:56.100 But, it's like these Star Wars movies.

01:09:57.100 And, I ran, like, a Game of Thrones blog.

01:09:59.000 You can find Reddit threads where people are talking, how can I make sure that my kids grow up to be Star Wars fans?

01:10:05.680 Like, not, like, oh, you know, I'm Catholic.

01:10:07.840 How do I make sure my kids keep going to church?

01:10:10.380 How do I make sure my kids, like, Empire Strikes Back?

01:10:13.680 I was in Pennsylvania recently.

01:10:15.480 So, I was visiting my family.

01:10:16.420 I was up there.

01:10:16.820 Dude, I saw so many millennials with Star Wars stuff all over their cars with children.

01:10:24.540 It's, like, as you say, raising their kids to be pro-Star Wars the same way that, like, my parents raised us to be, I don't know, pro-

01:10:32.140 Eagles fans?

01:10:33.740 Catholic.

01:10:34.060 Well, yeah, Eagles fans.

01:10:35.680 And, especially this week, oh, my gosh.

01:10:38.500 You know, you get the run back.

01:10:40.120 And then, you know, the Eagles have this great thing they do where when you apply a little bit of pressure, they completely fold.

01:10:46.660 Say it's actually a coping mechanism, defense mechanism that's learned, evolved over the years.

01:10:50.820 But, yeah, being Eagles fans or being Catholic or Polish culture, et cetera.

01:10:54.680 No, now, all of that out the window, it's all Star Wars on, like, every car that I saw with kids in it.

01:11:00.880 So, by the way, we're actually taking, in the Poso household, we are taking the Greer Pledge or, you know, or making our own version of this to the next level. 0.60

01:11:12.260 So, not only are we doing, I already don't watch Marvel movies, but we are also raising our children Star Wars free.

01:11:20.680 So, at this point, my kids do not actually do all of it.

01:11:25.760 All of it.

01:11:26.340 All of it.

01:11:27.180 All of it.

01:11:27.660 I think you mean one, two, three.

01:11:29.400 We should put on that part of the debate.

01:11:31.320 And there's no Star Wars whatsoever.

01:11:33.120 My kids have no idea what, like, if you go Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, they're like, what is that?

01:11:38.240 I have no idea what that is.

01:11:39.460 I agree.

01:11:40.320 The Pledge used to not have the tattoo line, and it instead had, I will not watch the NFL.

01:11:45.280 And he actually did a whole essay explaining why he took out, I will not watch the NFL.

01:11:52.120 And I think it's kind of interesting what he's getting at.

01:11:54.640 Because, arguably, the NFL is, like, the biggest one of these things.

01:11:57.820 That, like, conservatives can't quit watching it.

01:11:59.920 It's hyper-addictive.

01:12:01.260 We just love football. 0.99

01:12:02.380 And then the NFL comes out and does these ads that are like, the NFL is gay. 0.97

01:12:06.060 The NFL is trans. 0.98

01:12:07.280 We're going to write in the end zone that, like, we love BLM. 0.90

01:12:10.260 And, you know, they'll just do all these, like, ritual humiliations. 0.96

01:12:13.020 So, it wasn't about sport.

01:12:14.160 And I will meet conservatives who will brag about how the NFL is going woke and going broke.

01:12:20.880 And they still watch the NFL, which hints at the deeper reality that it's not going broke.

01:12:26.300 The NFL is more successful than ever.

01:12:28.340 Its ratings are breaking records.

01:12:30.460 It is ludicrously financially well off.

01:12:33.120 They're forcing us to care about Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelsey, even though I have no organic reason to care about that.

01:12:40.360 It's almost like they're spiking the football.

01:12:42.540 If you want to imagine the future, to paraphrase Orwell, imagine a rainbow-colored football being spiked into your face forever.

01:12:50.200 But he took it out.

01:12:51.760 And what he argued is that the NFL, it's not a raw negative.

01:12:56.220 He kind of says all the other four things are just bad.

01:12:58.680 There's essentially no upside to them.

01:13:00.000 But the NFL, he says, represents the current state of America in its glory and ugliness.

01:13:06.520 It is the ultimate example of American culture.

01:13:09.320 The Super Bowl is the most popular event in our country.

01:13:12.420 It highlights all our cultural and social trends.

01:13:15.040 Many of these trends disgust us, but they do represent the current state of the country.

01:13:20.480 And we can still criticize the NFL, but it does have upside, too.

01:13:23.820 Like, football is a beautiful sport.

01:13:26.040 It is a great sport.

01:13:27.200 You can imagine an NFL that is 100% good, and we can imagine improving the NFL.

01:13:32.440 Whereas we can never make Marvel movies not cringe.

01:13:35.440 Weed is always bad.

01:13:37.160 Tattoos, unless you're, like, a sailor, are always bad. 0.98

01:13:41.140 That's even in the pledge.

01:13:42.060 Like, you can get a tattoo if you're a sailor, basically.

01:13:43.700 I'm so glad I didn't get a tattoo.

01:13:45.540 I'm so glad.

01:13:46.720 I had that.

01:13:47.880 As a guy who was in the Navy, I think I'm the only guy who's ever gone through eight years in the Navy without getting a tattoo or having one sip of alcohol the entire time.

01:13:58.860 Apparently, a majority of women under 40 have tattoos now. 1.00

01:14:03.740 Really?

01:14:04.260 And women are more likely to get tattoos than men now, also. 0.96

01:14:06.700 I believe that.

01:14:08.000 I totally believe it.

01:14:09.180 Can we do an actual pledge that's hard?

01:14:10.860 This stuff's not hard.

01:14:11.780 What would be the harder version?

01:14:12.800 What's the Kirk?

01:14:13.400 Alcohol.

01:14:14.360 No alcohol.

01:14:15.400 Right?

01:14:15.640 Cold shower.

01:14:16.340 18 years strong.

01:14:17.780 It's only nose.

01:14:18.420 Is that right?

01:14:18.920 It's only nose.

01:14:19.560 It's nose.

01:14:19.940 No carbohydrates.

01:14:21.020 No carbohydrates.

01:14:22.520 Or how about, like, no sugar?

01:14:23.860 No sugar.

01:14:25.320 Maybe no refined sugar?

01:14:26.560 No sugar.

01:14:27.260 No sugar.

01:14:27.620 How about no high...

01:14:29.120 It's not impossible.

01:14:30.380 Well, it's darn near impossible.

01:14:31.800 No seed oils.

01:14:32.360 This is our first show after New Year's, so we're doing resolutions, right?

01:14:36.480 No high fruit toast.

01:14:37.420 I would do sugar.

01:14:37.940 I would do sugar.

01:14:38.840 Yeah, okay.

01:14:39.200 No corn syrup.

01:14:39.880 That's good.

01:14:41.300 No corn syrup.

01:14:42.160 No alcohol.

01:14:43.940 No alcohol.

01:14:45.640 Can you get to four?

01:14:47.960 Well, I guess television.

01:14:49.240 No pornography, obviously, but that's...

01:14:51.660 No porn.

01:14:52.380 That's not...

01:14:52.820 That doesn't seem...

01:14:53.880 Or how about no streaming apps?

01:14:57.820 Like, no Netflix.

01:14:58.600 Are we on a streaming?

01:14:59.440 No, like, no Netflix, no Hulu, no...

01:15:01.820 No Amazon.

01:15:05.000 That would be good.

01:15:05.520 I think I like that.

01:15:06.160 I don't...

01:15:06.480 I'd still pass.

01:15:07.380 How about no social media?

01:15:08.500 Still in.

01:15:08.880 I'm still in.

01:15:09.320 No social media.

01:15:09.700 I like that one.

01:15:10.600 I don't use any social media.

01:15:11.760 No social media.

01:15:12.560 Well, you make me do social media.

01:15:14.360 I don't do it, but you can do it for me.

01:15:17.660 Because you...

01:15:18.180 You got to have your social media, Shabbos.

01:15:20.240 Go ahead.

01:15:20.380 No, it's not, because I don't consume it, Jack.

01:15:22.340 I have a whole speech on this.

01:15:23.500 The consumption and production are two different things.

01:15:26.000 Pushing out content...

01:15:26.680 Okay, but the copyright is that you're still asking people to consume it in your name.

01:15:30.140 I'm a drug dealer, not a consumer of the drug.

01:15:32.940 He doesn't use the product.

01:15:34.680 All right, now he's honest, folks.

01:15:36.340 No, but it's true.

01:15:37.440 You never get high on your own supply.

01:15:39.440 Hello?

01:15:40.340 Social media, I do think, is a big underrated evil in America.

01:15:44.000 This is...

01:15:44.180 I thought they should have ended up breaking that, by the way.

01:15:45.080 That's how I'd ruin parties in D.C. 0.64

01:15:46.620 I'm just like, social media is just like porn.

01:15:48.860 If you do a ton of social media, it's like...

01:15:50.580 Mine is harder than Greer's, though, right?

01:15:52.440 I think so.

01:15:53.220 Hold on.

01:15:53.460 What did we just say?

01:15:54.480 No refined sugar, no alcohol.

01:15:55.580 No refined...

01:15:56.040 No fructose...

01:15:56.760 No corn syrup.

01:15:57.380 Let's just say no alcohol.

01:15:58.420 I think that's a good one, right?

01:15:59.660 No corn syrup, no alcohol, no social media.

01:16:03.160 Wait, wait, wait.

01:16:03.220 Producer Fize has a compromise.

01:16:05.500 No social media on the weekends.

01:16:08.100 So, Charlie, this kind of builds off what you do on Saturdays.

01:16:11.340 He's cucking out on that one.

01:16:13.420 It's got to be no.

01:16:13.980 What do you mean?

01:16:14.500 The Greer pledge is not like...

01:16:16.140 Other than the sailor thing for tattoos.

01:16:18.300 It's not like no Marvel movies, except when your kids are really, really excited to see it.

01:16:22.840 We wouldn't even know about it.

01:16:24.000 Yeah.

01:16:24.640 Hold on.

01:16:25.080 All of Greer's are... 1.00

01:16:26.220 There's a structural issue here.

01:16:28.280 Because none of this stuff would exist without social media.

01:16:31.600 Like, our entire field, our entire industry wouldn't exist without social media.

01:16:35.320 So, you can't just say no social media.

01:16:37.040 We would just get mad.

01:16:38.280 I feel like I could concede Twitter.

01:16:40.240 Twitter, I can kind of tolerate.

01:16:41.860 Although, you have to recognize there's very bad ways of doing it.

01:16:45.040 But, like, Facebook?

01:16:46.800 Facebook has gotten...

01:16:48.820 I never have.

01:16:49.640 But Instagram and TikTok are, like, really the two...

01:16:52.720 One, like, that really destroy people's brains.

01:16:54.620 Yeah.

01:16:54.900 And YouTube, for that matter.

01:16:56.060 Like, YouTube is a weaponized algorithm that just...

01:16:59.180 My life got better when I got rid of the YouTube app.

01:17:01.260 And I just got to look at YouTube through Safari.

01:17:02.960 Completely different experience.

01:17:04.120 The YouTube app, it operates like a social media app.

01:17:06.280 Oh, we do that. 0.87

01:17:07.040 Yeah, we actually do that.

01:17:08.480 Yeah, the YouTube app totally manipulates you.

01:17:10.660 You have to, like, push notifications.

01:17:12.140 It's awful.

01:17:12.900 So, I guess my pledge is no corn syrup, no alcohol, no social media...

01:17:18.020 What was the fourth one?

01:17:19.220 No porn?

01:17:19.760 I guess that's...

01:17:20.180 Yeah, yeah, no.

01:17:21.040 I guess...

01:17:21.580 Or how about no streaming apps?

01:17:23.100 Like, no Netflix, no Hulu, no Amazon.

01:17:24.560 I like...

01:17:25.000 How about instead of...

01:17:25.920 How about we just do...

01:17:26.820 We got to either do alcohol or corn syrup, because they're both food ones, so you kind

01:17:29.860 of just want one food one. 1.00

01:17:30.700 Yeah, but there's no positives, so you can't tell people to do stuff.

01:17:32.920 There's only subtraction, right?

01:17:34.100 Is that the whole idea of the pledge?

01:17:34.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:34.600 So, I would say, like, maybe no...

01:17:35.980 So, you can maybe do no alcohol, no streaming apps, no bad social media, no porn.

01:17:41.660 That's a pretty good set of four.

01:17:44.760 Or would you rather have no corn syrup instead?

01:17:47.920 No what?

01:17:48.940 No hookup apps.

01:17:50.000 Those things are destroying our...

01:17:51.720 Yeah!

01:17:52.720 That's a good one.

01:17:54.060 Yeah.

01:17:54.600 So, Ryan asks, how are you going to watch...

01:17:56.040 I'd say...

01:17:56.660 Seinfeld or NCAA, direct TV.

01:17:58.720 You know, rather than no hookup apps, I think you'd just have to say, like, no hookups.

01:18:02.360 Oh, yeah, I mean...

01:18:03.020 That seems more straight to the point.

01:18:03.900 This is not radical.

01:18:04.880 People should save themselves from marriage. 1.00

01:18:06.200 Yeah, for sure, but...

01:18:06.780 So, no premarital sex.

01:18:07.760 Date to marry only.

01:18:09.240 That would be trap.

01:18:09.780 That would be a hard question.

01:18:10.840 Ooh, I like fish.

01:18:11.300 Why is that so trad?

01:18:12.400 I say this and people's eyes light up as if I'm telling them to fast for a quarter.

01:18:18.100 This is a problem.

01:18:19.240 I love that you just called this out.

01:18:20.740 So, if you agree with something that you came to completely independently, but it happens

01:18:26.280 to fit in this bucket of, like, you know, tradcon or tradcath or something like...

01:18:31.460 It's like, I read the Bible when I was becoming a Christian in college, and I was like, well,

01:18:36.720 no sex before marriage, obviously.

01:18:38.880 It's not like a big revelation.

01:18:40.380 I'm not trying to fit into some bucket, you know what I mean?

01:18:43.180 It's like, it's like, anyways...

01:18:45.200 No, but that's where those traditions come from.

01:18:46.660 But also, if you've made that, you have the tradition.

01:18:49.760 But if you...

01:18:50.100 I'm not trying to fit into a bucket, and that's what ticks me off, is that all of a sudden

01:18:53.780 you get, like, labeled and pigeonholed.

01:18:55.140 So, it's not radical.

01:18:56.280 That's what Andrew's saying.

01:18:57.100 It's actually super normy.

01:18:58.440 I actually hated...

01:18:59.060 It's very normal.

01:18:59.780 No, I get what Andrew's saying, though.

01:19:01.120 I get what you're saying, because when I quit drinking, everyone's like, oh, so you're

01:19:05.540 going straight edge.

01:19:06.800 And I was like, no, I'm not going straight edge.

01:19:08.260 I just don't want to drink.

01:19:09.340 And I don't want to smoke me.

01:19:10.380 I don't know what that is.

01:19:11.560 You're like, oh, it's just straight edge.

01:19:12.380 Oh, it's just straight edge.

01:19:13.520 Straight edge was, like, early 2000s.

01:19:15.480 It was, like...

01:19:15.960 Yeah, I was seven.

01:19:16.860 Early 2000s, you have all these punk bands, and they decide to reinvent being a normal person.

01:19:21.480 And so, yeah, I'm straight edge.

01:19:22.840 I don't do drugs.

01:19:24.140 I don't binge drink.

01:19:26.400 I don't do all this other stuff.

01:19:29.260 Okay, so you're like my parents.

01:19:31.320 Congratulations.

01:19:31.820 Oh, it's your straight edge?

01:19:32.640 You're straight edge?

01:19:33.260 I'm like, no, I just don't want to do that stuff anymore.

01:19:35.400 I'm not, like, identifying as...

01:19:38.440 So, yeah, Andrew, I get what you're saying.

01:19:40.620 Yeah, I just... 0.99

01:19:41.440 No, I'm not adopting a bitch. 1.00

01:19:42.740 We just put ourselves in the foot, because, like, all of a sudden, like, I don't know. 0.97

01:19:45.920 I'm not trying to be, like, 100% trad anything.

01:19:49.520 I just want to be what the Bible says to be.

01:19:51.640 I don't know.

01:19:52.020 I just feel like it shoots ourselves in the foot.

01:19:54.080 That's all.

01:19:55.000 Charlie, could you do a pledge to not watch college football?

01:19:58.500 That would be tough.

01:19:59.700 That would be the toughest.

01:20:00.840 I mean, that would be...

01:20:01.880 That is one of the...

01:20:02.520 There's supposed to be something that's hard for you.

01:20:03.540 Why would you do it?

01:20:04.340 Why would you do it anyways?

01:20:06.900 There's a lot of reasons college football is bad.

01:20:09.260 No, I acknowledge it.

01:20:10.220 It's one of my...

01:20:11.300 By the way, the chat loves this.

01:20:12.920 I don't...

01:20:13.880 I don't even try to justify it.

01:20:16.060 I say it's a legit indulgence.

01:20:18.160 I think that's the healthiest way to do it.

01:20:19.760 The way I look at...

01:20:21.620 I've got UW going to the national championship game.

01:20:24.800 Good for you.

01:20:24.820 And I have my...

01:20:25.260 I'm already looking at our...

01:20:26.500 I'm looking at Oregon's recruiting boards today.

01:20:29.080 I'm sick.

01:20:30.080 I'm a sick person.

01:20:31.440 Okay?

01:20:31.840 I'm looking at who they're recruiting in high school.

01:20:33.900 I'm looking at, like, what 18-year-olds are going to Eugene.

01:20:37.280 No, but I mean, why is it bad?

01:20:38.980 I will honestly say when I watch a day of college football, my dopamine is so shot.

01:20:43.040 More so than, like, a crazy day of AmFest.

01:20:45.600 Oh, bro.

01:20:46.280 I'm right, Andrew?

01:20:47.300 Am I right?

01:20:48.640 When UW almost gave up the game against Texas...

01:20:51.220 No, no, no.

01:20:51.840 Can we talk about this?

01:20:53.520 Can we talk about the...

01:20:55.180 By the way, I hate UW more than I probably hate Stalin.

01:20:59.360 Okay?

01:21:00.220 More than...

01:21:01.020 I can't believe you're a Ducks fan.

01:21:02.700 Like, the odds of this, like, happening that you and I work together for this many years

01:21:08.200 and you're a Ducks fan...

01:21:09.260 Better yet, Andrew was into it.

01:21:11.680 So, half of me was like, oh my gosh, the trolling that I would have over this would be...

01:21:17.340 But yet, even with that, I said, I actually feel really bad.

01:21:21.780 We have to tell the audience what happened, okay?

01:21:23.640 So, what happened is, I was like, okay, I'm actually going to cheer for UW because I don't

01:21:27.760 want to see Andrew, like, institutionalized.

01:21:30.100 Because it was getting to that level, right?

01:21:31.720 It was so bad.

01:21:33.100 It's a pure terror.

01:21:34.760 Everything that could have gone wrong against the Huskies for 80 seconds happened.

01:21:39.040 I mean, it was, like, the guy getting injured and the time not going off the clock.

01:21:42.380 The announcers say, ladies and gentlemen, Washington is going to the national championship.

01:21:46.420 It's over.

01:21:47.040 Out of nowhere, the clock is running down.

01:21:49.120 Texas has no timeouts.

01:21:50.320 A guy just collapses on the field for UW.

01:21:52.780 Which, because of a glitch in the rules that Blake disagrees with, it effectively stops the clock

01:21:58.080 and gives the winning team a timeout.

01:22:00.560 They don't want a timeout.

01:22:01.680 So, it's fourth down, and the clock would have been down to 11 seconds.

01:22:05.180 Instead, it's at 50 seconds, and it's stopped.

01:22:08.000 So, they punt the ball to Texas.

01:22:10.080 They interfere with the receiver.

01:22:12.900 15-yard penalty.

01:22:14.140 Texas fuddles around a little bit.

01:22:15.840 Then they throw a 40-yard bomb, and then they throw another out.

01:22:19.480 They have the ball with 15 seconds left on the 12-yard line.

01:22:24.100 Four downs.

01:22:24.680 And, by the way, I'm blowing the chat up.

01:22:27.560 And this is why.

01:22:29.760 One second back on the clock, because apparently the ball went out of bounds.

01:22:33.540 It was unbelievable.

01:22:35.200 At this point, I said, if Texas wins this game, I don't know if there will be a Charlie Kirk show.

01:22:41.420 Was he vaccinated?

01:22:41.640 I just.

01:22:42.280 Was he vaccinated?

01:22:43.320 I was about to quit everything. 0.90

01:22:44.580 And so, this just goes to show, Charlie can't, you know, know how gay college football gets. 0.91

01:22:50.580 And it's gotten. 0.97

01:22:51.960 It's gotten pretty fake and gay. 1.00

01:22:53.540 They just gave some quarterback, like, a seventh year of eligibility. 0.95

01:22:56.640 Like, it's getting really creepy.

01:22:58.200 Wait, Blake.

01:22:59.160 There's a student athlete headed to his fourth college in seven years.

01:23:03.480 Getting way out of line.

01:23:04.840 You lead you out of line.

01:23:06.280 I happen to think that the NIL is actually totally elevated the sport.

01:23:10.200 Because instead of just, like, Georgia dominating everything and Alabama dominating everything and Ohio State, now you've got this transfer portal.

01:23:17.340 And, like, now you're going to have, essentially, you're going to have a 12-team playoff.

01:23:21.080 And you're going to actually have about eight legitimate contenders.

01:23:23.600 Like, this year, Oregon in a playoff would have been pretty, like, I think it would have been really fun to watch.

01:23:29.240 Well, you want a thought crime?

01:23:30.520 Oregon played Washington better than Texas did.

01:23:32.640 Twice.

01:23:33.240 I mean, just like.

01:23:34.480 I mean, and that's like.

01:23:35.180 Twice.

01:23:35.720 You know, 100%.

01:23:36.860 So, anyway.

01:23:37.580 Could I give up college football?

01:23:39.060 That is, like, it would be.

01:23:40.460 It's really, really tough.

01:23:41.960 Like, no TV, no problem.

01:23:44.280 If you said, Charlie, no TV, no NFL, no March Madness, fine.

01:23:49.040 That's one of my few indulgences.

01:23:50.640 Now, is that what the list is supposed to be?

01:23:52.000 Something that really challenges you?

01:23:53.240 I think it's supposed to be pretty challenging, I think.

01:23:55.400 How about gambling?

01:23:57.140 How about gambling?

01:23:57.880 I don't gamble.

01:23:59.180 No fast food ever?

01:24:00.460 That's probably pretty easy for you.

01:24:01.740 In and out.

01:24:02.360 But, like, I could give that up.

01:24:03.480 I mean, that's just.

01:24:04.020 Yeah, no fast food.

01:24:05.020 I don't do fast food.

01:24:06.000 No video games ever would be tough for a lot of people.

01:24:07.440 I haven't played a video game since 2009.

01:24:09.740 That's pretty good.

01:24:10.640 I'm considering playing the new RoboCop game.

01:24:14.060 I am.

01:24:14.780 I hear it's really good.

01:24:16.200 I might come out of retirement for that.

01:24:17.260 What about pizza?

01:24:17.460 Wait, do you need an Xbox to play video games?

01:24:20.160 You can play them on your PC.

01:24:21.140 You can play it on Steam.

01:24:22.940 Do people still play video games?

01:24:25.540 Guys, should we tell them?

01:24:27.220 Should we tell them, guys?

01:24:28.640 I have not had anybody talk about video games in my circle for well over since I was in high school.

01:24:34.040 Video games are now, like, bigger than movie franchises in terms of life.

01:24:37.040 Is that right?

01:24:37.820 See, I see the advertisements, and I think to myself,

01:24:39.920 there's no way people actually waste their time on this stuff.

01:24:42.020 It's staggering.

01:24:42.840 And then there's, like, there's political subcultures linked with video games.

01:24:46.360 Let's have to chat right now.

01:24:47.380 So this is why I get so much done.

01:24:49.420 Like, if you're, this is why I'm so productive.

01:24:52.180 Like, a serious source of, like, right-wing politics is probably, like,

01:24:55.460 autistic dorks who play Paradox games,

01:24:57.600 and they, like, LARP as founding the Spanish Empire or something, 0.66

01:25:00.960 and they end up becoming trad.

01:25:03.780 I know about Gamergate.

01:25:05.000 That was Mila.

01:25:06.000 It's actually about ethics in journalism.

01:25:07.640 But wasn't that all about they were faking reviews of video games or something?

01:25:10.940 It's so much deeper than that.

01:25:12.020 You need, like, five PhDs.

01:25:13.380 But I'm not that far off, though, right?

01:25:14.200 You need five PhDs to fully understand Gamergate.

01:25:15.880 I'm not that far off, though, right?

01:25:17.060 Gamergate is probably the single most complex event in human history,

01:25:19.760 displacing the French Revolution.

01:25:22.040 Yeah, I completely agree with Blake on that.

01:25:23.640 I've had multiple people try to go through the whole list of it with me,

01:25:27.520 and I still can't get there.

01:25:29.080 But I will say, though, what we got out of Gamergate

01:25:31.760 was the fact that gamers were the first people to take on journalists

01:25:35.680 and not actually approach them as the way that conservatives

01:25:39.580 and establishment types always did by saying,

01:25:42.040 oh, these are good-faith people,

01:25:43.260 and we should just talk about their accusations

01:25:44.960 and try to shape the context.

01:25:47.440 No, because gamers don't look at journalists as people.

01:25:50.500 They look at them as enemies in the game,

01:25:53.220 and they start sitting there thinking,

01:25:54.940 how do we defeat the enemies in the game?

01:25:57.180 What can we do?

01:25:58.060 How do we assess their weak points?

01:25:59.500 How do we assess their critical vulnerabilities?

01:26:01.680 How do we use them against themselves?

01:26:04.000 And they basically created the entire playbook

01:26:08.660 that we now use every single day

01:26:10.860 to the point where you're seeing, like,

01:26:12.460 Bill Ackerman's wife is using it on Business Insider.

01:26:16.140 Elon Musk uses it all the time.

01:26:17.900 All of those things that you see right now,

01:26:19.700 the name and shame,

01:26:21.280 get out before the hit piece comes out, etc., etc.

01:26:23.940 This all goes back to GamerGame.

01:26:26.380 They were the first.

01:26:28.280 Well, I'm learning a lot.

01:26:30.280 I mean, I got so much to do.

01:26:32.960 Everything in life is gamified, actually.

01:26:35.100 You think about, we're talking about social media before.

01:26:37.740 The way social media is designed

01:26:40.020 is essentially a gamified dopamine rush.

01:26:43.240 So they use it in marketing.

01:26:44.760 I've always thought about social media as a gamified.

01:26:47.020 What's that?

01:26:47.480 I wonder why there's so many zombies walking around.

01:26:50.780 Geez.

01:26:51.400 No, I'm not even saying you're a bad person.

01:26:52.600 I'm just so stunned that in this amazing world we live in

01:26:55.220 where you could be so productive and...

01:26:57.320 Think about all the college football games they could watch.

01:27:00.060 See, I...

01:27:01.000 I used to play video games and it's just...

01:27:04.560 I don't know.

01:27:05.180 For me, it's not how I'm wired.

01:27:07.460 Okay, so then what is the pledge then?

01:27:09.860 The original pledge or our pledge?

01:27:12.280 We have like eight different options for our pledge.

01:27:14.720 Where do we come down...

01:27:16.300 Where do we come down...

01:27:17.920 Well, the thought crime pledge.

01:27:18.880 The thought crime pledge.

01:27:19.720 Where do we come down on fast food?

01:27:23.480 I think fast food should be eliminated.

01:27:25.300 You shouldn't have any fast food.

01:27:26.200 Read for it or begin it.

01:27:27.520 Begin it.

01:27:28.120 Against.

01:27:30.320 Yeah, so I think no fast food, no alcohol, slash no corn syrup.

01:27:35.160 No.

01:27:36.840 I feel like if we're going to make a pledge, it should be succinct.

01:27:40.280 We don't want this like sprawling 12-point pledge.

01:27:42.740 I would say we should have one food-related pledge item.

01:27:45.500 No alcohol is the strongest of those.

01:27:47.340 Okay, fine.

01:27:48.380 That's easy.

01:27:49.000 Although it doesn't...

01:27:49.780 It does get away.

01:27:51.060 You what, Andrew?

01:27:51.580 I love the no fructose corn syrup because...

01:27:55.280 This is super important.

01:27:56.600 I've seen so many people, no names, people associated with this show, just down like 7-ups and Diet Pepsi.

01:28:06.060 I know there's no corn syrup in Diet Pepsi.

01:28:07.820 There should be no diet anything.

01:28:09.760 But like nothing...

01:28:11.540 Yes, yes. 0.99

01:28:12.640 I'm telling you, real butter is better for you than like all this fake crap. 0.99

01:28:17.940 Whole milk is better for you than 2% milk. 0.99

01:28:20.260 That's right.

01:28:20.660 Anyway.

01:28:21.340 That's all true.

01:28:22.180 But I will say, if Diet Soda was bad for you, someone would have pulled off the big tobacco lawsuit against it at this point.

01:28:29.080 Diet Pepsi?

01:28:30.020 Okay.

01:28:30.660 It's different.

01:28:31.240 Okay.

01:28:31.480 My mother had cancer, right?

01:28:33.400 And she was doing...

01:28:34.280 She was like one Diet Pepsi a day. 0.99

01:28:37.560 It was what she had to get down to.

01:28:39.520 And then a year later, her nutritionist told her to knock it all the way off.

01:28:42.700 It's poison.

01:28:43.360 Aspartame is really bad for you.

01:28:45.680 It just is.

01:28:46.520 And it's addictive.

01:28:47.840 Diet Pepsi and Diet Coke is so addictive.

01:28:50.040 So anyways, I think all soda should be out the window.

01:28:52.740 But you kind of get it with the high fructose corn syrup.

01:28:55.000 So it's got to be clean.

01:28:56.320 All right, guys.

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01:29:02.240 This was a great episode.

01:29:03.240 So we have our pledge.

01:29:04.680 I'm holding to it because I already lived through it.

01:29:07.180 And if you had college football, I will break it on Monday, as will Andrew.

01:29:10.400 But I will not defend it.

01:29:12.240 After a day of college football, I'm done.

01:29:15.160 Like, I need to kind of go in the woods to reset.

01:29:17.560 Just don't say no golf.

01:29:19.300 You would put no golf on there.

01:29:20.640 That would be like the boomer pledge.

01:29:22.420 What a waste of time golf is.

01:29:25.180 A four-point boomer pledge would be like, no golf.

01:29:27.720 You know what?

01:29:28.280 One of the great lies I was told, you need golf to succeed in business. 1.00

01:29:34.140 What a crock of crap that is. 0.99

01:29:38.120 That is the first. 1.00

01:29:39.400 No one plays golf anymore.

01:29:41.500 It is a waste of time.

01:29:44.000 So much business gets done on the golf course.

01:29:46.760 No business gets done on the golf course.

01:29:48.580 It's a total waste of time.

01:29:49.380 It's the avoidance of business.

01:29:51.880 If you go for a business golf outing, most of the time the guys are just, like,

01:29:55.720 drowning in alcohol.

01:29:57.740 And, you know, it's bonding.

01:29:59.520 It's male bonding.

01:30:00.100 So you feel, like, comfortable with the guy the next time you actually talk about business.

01:30:03.240 If you are trying to target someone who is a golfer specifically, then, yeah, sure, fine.

01:30:10.320 Otherwise, guys, do any of us golf?

01:30:12.920 Do any of us on this radio?

01:30:13.880 My brother is a state golf champion.

01:30:15.920 Andrew golf.

01:30:16.740 That's different.

01:30:17.600 Oh, really?

01:30:18.260 That's athletic.

01:30:19.100 That's separate.

01:30:19.680 I'm talking about casual bro-y golf where you could be with your family,

01:30:23.740 and you're there for four hours, and you're schlepping around,

01:30:26.940 and you're like, oh, I'm within 100 yards.

01:30:29.460 Count it.

01:30:30.780 Mulligan.

01:30:31.060 Yeah, I'm on the green.

01:30:34.120 I think there is a famous person we like, though, who is pretty pro-golf.

01:30:38.220 Trump is very pro-golf.

01:30:39.400 No, he's invited me golfing.

01:30:41.280 I'm like, yeah, I...

01:30:42.620 Have you talked about this?

01:30:43.680 But he's also from that generation.

01:30:45.820 Tucker does not golf.

01:30:46.560 No, Tucker doesn't golf.

01:30:47.860 Tucker hunts.

01:30:48.920 Tucker...

01:30:49.280 No, he's talking about this.

01:30:50.780 Tucker also is in woodworking.

01:30:53.240 And Tucker and my brother had a long conversation about woodworking.

01:30:56.340 Tucker could write an amazing essay about fly fishing.

01:30:58.060 He has a whole philosophical thing about it.

01:30:59.720 Kind of like I do.

01:31:00.240 I love that video of Tucker of fly fishing.

01:31:01.840 We should have...

01:31:02.440 Well, we made the four-part before we go.

01:31:03.260 No, Charlie, it's like you and corn.

01:31:05.380 Before we go, the four-part boomer pledge.

01:31:07.720 Like, no golf.

01:31:08.660 No bragging about how you have great investment prowess

01:31:10.860 because you bought a house that just appreciated 500%.

01:31:13.740 No cable TV.

01:31:14.640 No complaining about your wife.

01:31:15.300 No cable TV.

01:31:16.180 No disinheriting your kids to, like, leave the money

01:31:18.380 to some, like, weird dumb thing or blowing it all on a reverse mortgage.

01:31:21.560 Reverse mortgages and spending it all on cruises.

01:31:23.100 No reverse mortgages would be its own pledge.

01:31:24.880 And no donating to your alma mater.

01:31:26.160 No cruises.

01:31:27.000 No donating to your alma mater.

01:31:28.580 That'd be a good one.

01:31:29.880 No, like, giving affirmative action to hire someone

01:31:33.060 who, like, doesn't look like your kids

01:31:34.540 because it, like, helps you feel like you atone

01:31:36.460 for your, like, racial crimes.

01:31:38.980 Jack, we keep talking over you.

01:31:40.420 Finish this off tonight.

01:31:43.280 No, look.

01:31:43.980 I think this is one of our longest episodes ever.

01:31:47.260 I think this is one of our best, certainly,

01:31:48.620 in terms of viewers.

01:31:49.400 This is great.

01:31:50.280 I love that we're doing these live.

01:31:51.840 I'll say one thing right now.

01:31:54.300 2024 is going to be a busy year.

01:31:56.040 We've got a lot of work to do this year.

01:31:57.420 We're going to get very busy.

01:31:58.380 I don't know how many live episodes of these

01:31:59.760 we are going to be able to do.

01:32:01.340 We pledged to you that we will be able to do

01:32:03.140 as many as we can.

01:32:04.960 We were also on the hook for one episode of this a week.

01:32:07.800 I really love that people have just appreciate

01:32:10.620 the thought crime format and, you know, what it is.

01:32:12.960 It's a couple of guys just kind of talking about the news.

01:32:16.280 But, I mean, you know who we are.

01:32:17.460 I know what our background is.

01:32:18.940 Except for Andrew.

01:32:19.660 We're all kind of asking questions about Andrew.

01:32:22.540 But we're going to be here

01:32:24.040 and we're going to be using this show

01:32:25.940 as not just a place to talk about the issues,

01:32:29.420 but also to get into the ins and outs

01:32:31.500 of everything that goes on through this year.

01:32:33.220 We're going to give you the behind-the-scenes look

01:32:35.740 on everything that happens with the election this year

01:32:38.080 right here on Thought Crime.

01:32:39.420 I love it.

01:32:40.760 Hit that follow button.

01:32:41.900 We'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:32:42.860 God bless.

01:32:43.520 And until then, keep on committing thought crimes.

01:32:47.100 See you guys.

01:32:47.660 Thought Crime is Death.

01:32:49.980 He's dead.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 06, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 27 — Does Epstein Matter？ The End of DEI？ Faith and the Border？

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