Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 29 — DEI or DIE？ DeSantis's Bus Seat？ The Drowning Gap？

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00:01:45.460 Okay, everybody.

00:01:47.240 Happy Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:49.440 We are here after a big streaming week, and we have Blake Neff.

00:01:53.080 Howdy.

00:01:54.000 Andrew.

00:01:54.880 Producer Andrew's in person.

00:01:56.940 Got you.

00:01:57.360 And remotely is Jack Posobiec.

00:02:00.640 Jack, how are we doing?

00:02:01.480 I'm just really excited that producer Andrew was able to slip over the border

00:02:05.760 after that swimming incident he had on the Rio Grande.

00:02:11.360 It's like, where is he going with this?

00:02:13.520 Yeah, it's true.

00:02:14.620 It's true.

00:02:16.140 The feds want me to report soon, but I'm here tonight.

00:02:20.780 That's not true.

00:02:21.400 They don't care about tracking anyone who crosses.

00:02:23.680 That would be one deportation they would do.

00:02:26.620 They asked where I wanted to go in the interior.

00:02:29.040 I said Phoenix.

00:02:29.740 That's where all the illegals are hanging out.

00:02:31.400 So that's where I'm here.

00:02:32.540 That would be one deportation they would.

00:02:35.440 Yes.

00:02:36.080 I'll tell you what.

00:02:37.300 All right.

00:02:37.620 So, Jack, I spoke over you a lot during the Iowa live stream.

00:02:41.380 Sorry.

00:02:41.700 So, therefore, we're going to give you uninterrupted time to talk about the back of the bus.

00:02:47.480 The wheels on the bus go round and round.

00:02:51.820 What is the bus?

00:02:53.700 Shall one go to the back of the bus?

00:02:56.120 Go under the bus?

00:02:57.300 Does the bus go forward?

00:02:58.320 Is it better to be in front of the bus or on the bus?

00:03:02.200 And is this a Rosa Parks moment?

00:03:04.560 Well, there are many spots on the bus.

00:03:06.200 Yeah.

00:03:06.420 So, I made the comment and I was doing a live stream, I guess, on – well, my show.

00:03:11.900 It wasn't a live stream.

00:03:12.400 It was my show the day after the Iowa primary – after our live stream.

00:03:15.440 And this sort of debate had been raging online and then you had mentioned it on air and, you know, you come on right before me.

00:03:23.980 So, everyone was sort of having this conversation.

00:03:25.660 It bled over into our shows as these things do on social media and then just sort of in the information space.

00:03:32.720 And the question, of course, becomes what to do with the people who say they want to unite the party now that they realize that they were on the losing end of the primary.

00:03:43.600 And, you know, the question is – I think it's multifaceted.

00:03:48.100 And I had Raheem on and we had some great questions and some great repartee about this.

00:03:51.940 And, you know, we've all been through a few election cycles at this point.

00:03:55.000 So, it's not like this is the first time we've been – we've encountered this question.

00:04:00.000 And I basically said it like this.

00:04:01.580 I said, look, there's a big bus.

00:04:03.180 The bus has a lot of seats on it.

00:04:05.260 But not all seats are the same.

00:04:07.000 Some seats are in the front.

00:04:08.320 Some seats are in the middle.

00:04:09.480 Some seats are in the back by the bathrooms.

00:04:11.260 And, yes, I was obviously playing off of the MLK stuff earlier in this week.

00:04:16.200 And then I said, you know, but there are some people who don't get on the bus because, you know – well, I should say, by the way, there's also strap hangers, you know, for the people who are standing on the bus.

00:04:25.000 There's a roof rack.

00:04:26.080 There's people who maybe they can push the bus for a little while.

00:04:29.040 Over here in the northeast, we've had a lot of snow.

00:04:31.520 So, we'll need people to plow the roads in certain parts of the bus.

00:04:35.220 Iowa as well.

00:04:36.840 But then there's snakes.

00:04:37.840 Snakes are a lot allowed on the bus because there will be no snakes on the bus.

00:04:42.140 And I think that's pretty much where I come down on this.

00:04:44.980 You yourself said on the show that, you know, there's circles to this.

00:04:49.120 Inner circle, outer circle, far outer circle.

00:04:52.840 And then the one thing, though, that I would like to address – and I was on Sean Spicer's show yesterday.

00:04:57.660 We had the same conversation.

00:04:59.260 And maybe if I wasn't completely clear about this, I'm not talking about the voters, okay?

00:05:04.020 People said, whoa, whoa, if I supported someone else in the primaries – no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:05:08.000 I'm not talking about voters.

00:05:09.680 I'm not talking about anything like that.

00:05:11.280 Look, I've been through enough election cycles to know politics, you win through addition, not subtraction.

00:05:16.520 So, yes, we want every vote.

00:05:18.460 And everyone is welcome to vote for Donald Trump now.

00:05:21.020 I think everyone probably should have done that a year ago and saved us this ridiculous exercise.

00:05:25.320 But, okay, here we are.

00:05:26.200 And so, look, yes, we do need every single vote that we can get.

00:05:30.440 That being said, what I was talking about were thought leaders, specifically thought leaders.

00:05:37.720 And for those thought leaders that weren't, you know, doing the things that they could be doing during the primary, there's one space.

00:05:45.380 But then there's a certain type of person that did not comport themselves very well during the primary.

00:05:52.140 And, you know, I got a call earlier today from my good buddy, Danny Lipman, over at Politico.

00:05:59.960 And he said, who are you talking about, Jack?

00:06:01.860 Who are you talking about?

00:06:02.540 And I said, did you see Jeremy Redfern on Twitter today?

00:06:06.160 And I said, this is just a perfect example.

00:06:08.180 And I understand that he's, you know, the governor's official staff as his press secretary.

00:06:11.880 But he's also an influencer in many ways.

00:06:14.980 You can be official staff.

00:06:16.360 You can be campaign staff.

00:06:17.400 In fact, by the way, if you are being a good staffer in modern politics, you should be an influencer.

00:06:22.280 And that's another discussion.

00:06:24.340 And I think you'll agree with me on that, that, you know, you should be out there every day defending your candidate, pushing narratives, responding to things in the news.

00:06:32.180 Everything is comms anymore.

00:06:34.440 And yet Jeremy Redfern posted a tweet today from, again, he's being paid by, I don't know, I don't think he was off today.

00:06:39.640 So it looked like he was on the clock being paid by the taxpayers of Florida saying that Donald Trump was missing from the campaign trail.

00:06:46.360 And not only was he missing, but the fact that he was in his basement.

00:06:49.800 Yeah, there's a major news cycle over the past 24 hours that Donald Trump asked to be let out of court today so that he could attend the funeral for his mother-in-law, for his wife's mother, who died, his son's grandmother, okay, Amalia Kvas.

00:07:07.720 And this was a situation where these same people, these very same people, maybe not Jeremy directly, but the DeSantis camp had been attacking Melania Trump because she didn't appear at any of the holiday parties for Mar-a-Lago over the holidays, whether it be Christmas, whether it be New Year.

00:07:25.040 She was, you know, conspicuously absent from Christmas photos and things, and they were attacking her as missing and saying that she was on the outs.

00:07:31.740 And there's something Brian Stelter had done as a conspiracy theory during the administration at one point as well.

00:07:36.140 Well, it turns out that instead of just asking around, I mean, they're in Florida, it wouldn't be that hard to figure out if you had, like, actual sources.

00:07:41.600 Um, she was attending her mother while she was on her deathbed.

00:07:46.320 And so, you know, when I say no snakes on the bus, I'm, I'm thinking of people like this specifically, people like this, absolutely.

00:07:54.000 You're not just off on the back of the bus, we're throwing you out the back door of the back of the bus.

00:07:58.060 Uh, and people like Jamie Dimon, when they want to suddenly run around up there, plapping his gums at Davos, at the World Economic Forum, on CNBC, wearing his Ukrainian lapel pin, Ukrainian flag lapel pin, suddenly, suddenly this guy who, yes, was, did pay $75 million to Jeffrey Epstein's, um, uh, victims because JP Morgan, which he's the chairman of, was the banker for Epstein's money.

00:08:23.720 You know, he's suddenly talking about how important it is that he loves MAGA and Trump's a great guy and we shouldn't insult Trump voters.

00:08:30.220 And it's like, okay, I can see what's going on here.

00:08:32.560 I can see what's going on.

00:08:33.940 Certain people are on the bus.

00:08:35.120 Certain people are off.

00:08:38.880 So, your take, Andrew, your response.

00:08:41.880 Well, I think, Jack, where this is coming from, people have to understand where this comes from in the context of everybody, at least at this table.

00:08:49.520 We've, we've been through this in 2016, 2020, and I think universally there's a, a love, especially much, you know, I don't mean to talk for you, Charlie, but massive influencers within the MAGA movement, Jack, Charlie, you guys have a universal love for Trump.

00:09:07.680 The person, you guys have sat with him, had dinner with him, like, there is a genuine affection, I think, that goes both ways.

00:09:13.720 Where it starts breaking down, at least in past experiences, is there are certain people that glob onto power within the inner circles of the Trump orbits, right?

00:09:24.520 And that has created a lot of consternation in the past, a lot of burned bridges, a lot of hurt feelings, not necessarily with people here, but we've all heard about it.

00:09:33.700 And it is, on the one hand, something that's just necessary.

00:09:37.020 It's going to happen.

00:09:38.100 It's inevitable, rather, that you're going to have certain people that you're close with, not so close with within the Trump orbit.

00:09:43.500 But what we're saying is, listen, this has been a, a season where we know who our true friends are.

00:09:51.380 You have seen the people that will stick by you through thick and thin in this last season, because it was very easy for a lot of people, because we saw so many examples of people taking the paycheck, people going on.

00:10:03.560 I mean, for the record, you know, Charlie does not get paid a dime to say something nice about Trump.

00:10:09.540 No, I get nothing but, you know, we've lost tons of donors.

00:10:11.840 I, I'm going to, I'm going to just be very transparent with the audience, and I want everyone's advice.

00:10:18.180 So I got a text message from somebody this week, and I didn't respond, and I prayed about it, and I wanted to respond a certain way, and I didn't respond a certain way.

00:10:27.720 And it's, it's somebody that's actually being debated online of whether or not forgiveness shall be offered, and it's Steve Cortez.

00:10:35.220 Ah.

00:10:35.700 And I like Steve a lot.

00:10:36.840 Yeah, I like Steve, too.

00:10:37.600 He came on, so I'm being very transparent.

00:10:38.680 He's been on our, he's been on our show multiple times.

00:10:39.840 This is not an anti-Steve thing, but it's a principled thing, right?

00:10:42.780 Right.

00:10:43.120 Because I was very bothered by how I.

00:10:44.860 I threw him a retweet.

00:10:46.440 Oh, you threw him a retweet.

00:10:47.480 Great.

00:10:48.080 So, so, so I just, I want the audience.

00:10:50.760 Remind me, what did Steve do?

00:10:52.160 Well, okay.

00:10:53.060 So he, he didn't, he didn't burn down a Wendy's.

00:10:56.360 But no, but let me tell you.

00:10:57.420 Well, he'd be a saint.

00:10:57.860 We'd have a statue of him.

00:10:58.620 Yeah, let me tell you, let me tell you.

00:11:00.220 And Steve texted me, and he's, he's texted me this tweet about uniting behind, behind Donald John Trump.

00:11:05.040 And here's what happened, is Steve was super MAGA all spring.

00:11:07.780 MAGA, MAGA, MAGA.

00:11:08.640 He was frequently on War Room, great economic analysis.

00:11:10.660 On our show.

00:11:11.200 He was on our show.

00:11:12.200 And he goes dark for a week, and out of nowhere he becomes a spokesperson for DeSantis.

00:11:15.700 Out of nowhere.

00:11:16.620 Doesn't tell anyone.

00:11:17.660 It was like a really weird, abrupt shift.

00:11:19.040 That was the weirdest one.

00:11:20.100 His daughter still works for the Trump campaign, and her daughter was subtweeting her dad.

00:11:23.960 And then all of a sudden he, like, wouldn't respond to texts and was like, DeSantis can be the nominee.

00:11:29.000 And was like, bro, how much money is involved in this?

00:11:32.020 And, like, it was just kind of not.

00:11:35.020 Cringe.

00:11:35.840 Yeah, it wasn't the way you do things, I think.

00:11:38.180 Again, I'm, but, I'm not.

00:11:40.640 Usually when someone you, when someone you talk to, it would be like, it would be like if I suddenly went to work for DeSantis out of nowhere.

00:11:48.280 And, by the way, hadn't, like, sent a message to anyone I talk to on a regular basis to say, hey, guys, by the way, I'm thinking of doing this.

00:11:58.120 Here's my thought.

00:11:58.840 Just none of that, right?

00:12:00.440 You know, none of, didn't pick up the phone to call anybody.

00:12:02.760 And just one day, boom, this is all of a sudden happening.

00:12:08.120 Raheem, who, you know, I think, as everybody knows, is another, what do you call it, co-host, guest host, you know, kind of on the war room roster.

00:12:17.960 And, you know, he said something quite prescient, I think, on the show.

00:12:21.100 He said, look, get out there and do the work.

00:12:24.080 Get out there and do the work and show us that you're interested in actually winning and actually defeating Joe Biden.

00:12:30.700 And that's the way back, right?

00:12:33.220 You know, it really isn't this big test of, like, should we let you in or not?

00:12:38.020 It's just go out there and do good work.

00:12:39.800 And these things will kind of happen on their own.

00:12:43.220 I agree with that.

00:12:44.760 Sorry, Charlie.

00:12:45.520 No, I'm just, I, so I'm, I'm battling and wrestling.

00:12:49.400 Do we let him immediately back into the camp?

00:12:52.340 Because it was all DeSantis, all the time, sudden shift as if nothing happens.

00:12:57.520 But I would say, Charlie, and just on Steve, just on Steve, and I'll say this quickly, is that he, he did not comport himself the way that, like, a Jeremy Redfern did, right?

00:13:07.240 I don't remember him getting anything personal.

00:13:09.320 I don't remember him attacking Donald Trump personally. 0.98

00:13:11.960 I don't remember him attacking any of us personally, calling us stupid, calling us names, saying things like Ashley Babbitt should have died, which Jeremy Redfern did say. 0.84

00:13:21.180 So, you know, when I talk about people who comported themselves a certain way, that's kind of who I'm talking about. 0.51

00:13:27.760 Now, the question of letting someone back into the camp, where do they sit on the bus, do they sit on the bus?

00:13:31.960 Those are all different questions, but I would not put him in the category of, you know.

00:13:35.960 Would you, would you let him back on the bus, Jack?

00:13:38.980 He retweeted him.

00:13:41.260 Oh, I gave him the retweet, Charlie.

00:13:42.360 Retweets, retweets are not necessarily endorsements, though.

00:13:45.100 So, as, as they all say, as they all say.

00:13:48.220 Blake, where do you fall in this?

00:13:49.340 Well, look, they said, the bus might need some pushing.

00:13:50.740 But, Blake, and I know that you very well might be tempted to say, come on, don't hold the grudges.

00:13:56.700 However, Trump world should be a little on guard.

00:14:00.360 For sure.

00:14:00.960 About personnel that are not in alignment with.

00:14:03.820 They definitely should be.

00:14:05.100 I feel like that's probably the funny thing is, I feel like we'll get this MAGA bloodlust almost, like, don't let any of the traitors back in.

00:14:12.980 And then we'll turn around, and it'll be a year from now, and we'll be like, why are there three Democrats in the cabinet?

00:14:17.880 And why is he only giving interviews to the New York Times again?

00:14:21.460 Blake thinks he's going to win.

00:14:22.440 He might, yeah.

00:14:23.320 He might win.

00:14:24.180 And he easily could win.

00:14:25.560 And I think the big fear a lot of people have is, what if all the mistakes that were made in 2017, that could easily be chalked up to inexperience.

00:14:33.320 It was a totally unprecedented time.

00:14:35.040 But what if we fall back into the same habits again?

00:14:37.880 Yeah.

00:14:38.320 I'm not sure the easy way to answer that.

00:14:39.940 This is what's driving a lot of this conversation is because there was really two pieces of it.

00:14:45.900 There was the behind-the-scenes piece, right, people getting close to Trump, Jack, you know this really well, that would either block out or embrace.

00:14:53.200 And we all sort of knew who the true believers were and who they weren't, you guys better than I.

00:14:57.900 And then there was the front of house people, the people that were public that you were like, these people ended up being the biggest snakes in the grass that you can imagine.

00:15:06.620 And I think, Jack, you tweeted out something like that these people that are trying to come back to Trump and cozy on up to Trump after Iowa are getting the snake in the grass poem.

00:15:15.160 And from a personnel standpoint, we saw time and again how his policies were thwarted by bad personnel choices, right?

00:15:25.920 So we're all saying like, hey, we've got a very hardcore agenda here.

00:15:29.160 We're going to deport 10 million illegals. 0.99

00:15:30.840 We're going to knock off the DEI.

00:15:33.080 We've got stuff to do.

00:15:33.620 We've got stuff to do.

00:15:34.440 And we don't want these globalists that like secretly wish Nikki won the, you know, nom, but, you know, don't want to be irrelevant either, trying to cozy back up to the guy that's supposed to be leading the charge here.

00:15:45.680 And here's the issue, too, is with appointments.

00:15:49.260 And I'm not – by the way, I'm not talking even about appointments at this point.

00:15:52.380 I'm talking just very loosely like, you know, I don't even know, like retweets, right?

00:15:57.480 Like throwing somebody a retweet is, you know, what did we learn from the first administration that you cannot trust anyone?

00:16:05.880 You can't even trust paper pushers.

00:16:07.520 What was this guy, Miles Anonymous Taylor or something?

00:16:10.240 He was like –

00:16:10.660 This is a great example.

00:16:11.500 Second low level –

00:16:13.800 Miles Taylor.

00:16:14.220 By the way, this guy was part –

00:16:15.440 Cheaper staff.

00:16:16.200 I'm not going to say it.

00:16:16.960 I was once at a social function with him.

00:16:18.960 I never liked him. 0.99

00:16:19.780 He's a weasel. 0.80

00:16:20.880 And by the way, he's the one that literally wrote these – remember this in the New York Times? 0.94

00:16:24.860 I am anonymous.

00:16:25.920 He was anonymous.

00:16:26.880 And I am a heartbeat away, and I keep things off his desk, and I am the true check and balance.

00:16:33.060 The founding fathers would be proud of me because I am the true – you know, right?

00:16:37.300 I am the conscious of the nation.

00:16:39.140 Remember that, Jack?

00:16:40.100 That I, 29-year-old, you know, who went to Yale and –

00:16:44.020 And then we had the guessing game for like a couple weeks of, you know –

00:16:47.100 I'd say a couple things.

00:16:47.440 We all thought it would be like someone serious.

00:16:49.200 Sorry, Blake.

00:16:49.660 Go ahead.

00:16:50.180 Oh, I just think there's a couple things worth bringing up.

00:16:52.480 One, as Angela points out in our chat, we do – you know, Trump has the nomination locked up.

00:16:58.780 But even though I have just predicted that he will win, I don't – you know, it's not guaranteed.

00:17:02.880 No, no.

00:17:03.060 We all can.

00:17:03.500 And one of the hazards is if you have DeSantis or Haley people, I guess, feel really bitter about the way the primary went and it ended,

00:17:11.460 they can, of course, not vote, or they could throw in with RSK.

00:17:15.680 We're already seeing a few people do that.

00:17:18.020 Can I ask you a question?

00:17:19.000 What does history tell us about the best process to heal these wounds yet keep your standards high?

00:17:24.640 Where can we point to of someone who's done that the best?

00:17:26.860 Team arrivals.

00:17:27.880 It's hard for me.

00:17:28.600 I'm not – I don't think team arrivals is a good example.

00:17:30.880 I feel like –

00:17:31.560 Oh, I know.

00:17:32.160 Truthfully, traditionally –

00:17:33.440 Hold on.

00:17:33.800 Let Blake answer the question.

00:17:35.000 Hold on.

00:17:35.260 I want to hear it, Blake.

00:17:35.760 Traditionally, this has just sort of been self-healing because partisan instincts in the U.S. are so strong, pretty durable,

00:17:43.160 that people would just think, oh, I don't want Biden –

00:17:46.060 You know, the moving principle here is no one wants Biden to win.

00:17:49.480 And so over time, as you get closer and closer to the election, wounds do organically heal.

00:17:55.000 And the most obvious case of this is 2016.

00:17:57.400 2016 was a wild time.

00:17:59.420 People said wild stuff.

00:18:00.640 You had people who were big fans of Ted Cruz.

00:18:03.480 Me.

00:18:03.700 Of Marco Rubio.

00:18:04.820 Of all these, you know, of all these, you know, conservatives who'd done a lot.

00:18:08.600 And Trump really ridiculed them.

00:18:11.020 He embarrassed them.

00:18:12.720 And this was really bitter.

00:18:14.000 Remember –

00:18:14.800 Ted Cruz didn't endorse him.

00:18:15.940 Ted Cruz would not endorse him at the convention.

00:18:18.780 And people were enraged at that.

00:18:21.360 I was enraged about it.

00:18:22.600 Just how can you do this?

00:18:24.560 And then just – well, we didn't want Hillary to win, so people got over it. 1.00

00:18:28.960 Even Cruz didn't endorse by Election Day, correct?

00:18:31.460 It's a – I can't remember.

00:18:33.680 He did just endorse, ironically.

00:18:35.100 But I will never forget.

00:18:37.560 And I wonder if Jack, Charlie, Blake, if you guys remember this moment.

00:18:41.700 It was like two weeks before the election in 2016.

00:18:45.200 You've got this firebrand, Trump, this unknown commodity.

00:18:48.180 He brings Pence along.

00:18:49.880 And I do think, you know, Pence obviously is not the most popular guy in the movement these days.

00:18:53.820 He was well-respected at the time.

00:18:55.240 Yeah, got into a public feud with Charlie, actually, ironically recently.

00:18:58.680 During ActCon.

00:18:59.300 During ActCon, during the summer.

00:19:00.840 But the – he said – I remember it was like on 60 Minutes or something, one of these old establishment kind of outlets.

00:19:06.900 And he said – he looked right in the camera and he said, it's time to come home.

00:19:11.300 Just super boring.

00:19:13.160 Like, you know, it's time, everybody, just come on home.

00:19:16.080 And I remember thinking, like, that was a powerful moment because it spoke to the people that probably are backing DeSantis right now.

00:19:25.080 But it was a healing moment.

00:19:26.680 And it was like, okay, if Mike Pence, old, boring, you know, Mike Pence is telling you to come back and back this guy, okay, that's comforting somehow.

00:19:35.020 And, man, the funny thing is, is when you said he had a feud with Mike Pence, I had to pause and think, why would he have a feud?

00:19:41.320 Oh, wait.

00:19:42.620 Mike Pence ran for president.

00:19:45.160 I totally forgot about that.

00:19:46.640 It was also – by the way, it was – Charlie tweeted out a clip of the Tucker takedown in Iowa.

00:19:52.860 It was with the family leader, whatever.

00:19:54.800 And it was like, you know, these people love Ukraine more than America.

00:19:58.780 And he was like, pardon me, Charlie.

00:20:00.580 Back where I come from, this is called fake news.

00:20:03.520 And it was like, no, we literally just posted what you said.

00:20:06.640 Anyway.

00:20:07.680 So what is the process then, Blake, you would recommend?

00:20:10.860 Because you – and then here is the other provocative question.

00:20:13.960 Does Trump forgive too easily?

00:20:16.220 What's funny is I feel like Trump can forgive too easy and not enough because what he really does is he fixates on these enemies.

00:20:22.580 And this is what I worry about a bit with DeSantis is that DeSantis was not merely an opponent that Trump had to, you know, cast – drive aside in order to get the nomination.

00:20:32.440 I think that's kind of what Ted Cruz was like in 2016, for example.

00:20:35.960 DeSantis became the Jeb Bush of the 2024 primary.

00:20:41.700 That's true.

00:20:41.820 He became this figure that Trump, like, fixated on really early.

00:20:45.680 He was attacking DeSantis even before the midterms.

00:20:48.620 And he really seemed to relish, you know, coming up with all the nicknames, really humiliating him.

00:20:56.180 And I feel like any person who gets in that role with Trump, I don't know that Trump has ever rehabilitated someone from that.

00:21:05.080 And I could see that causing a good amount of long-term bitterness, at least in some quarters.

00:21:11.580 Like, we talked about people getting nasty politically – you know, people saying nasty stuff about Trump supporters in support of DeSantis. 0.57

00:21:17.820 But the Trump campaign implied – or at least people linked with the Trump campaign implied that DeSantis' wife faked having cancer and that DeSantis was a pedophile.

00:21:27.440 What did he say about Cruz, though?

00:21:28.940 Cruz, his dad –

00:21:30.140 He said he killed JFK.

00:21:31.640 Killed JFK.

00:21:32.380 Oh, yeah. 0.95

00:21:32.720 Something like that.

00:21:33.540 Well, but that's a factual statement. 0.92

00:21:35.100 He's a Zodiac killer.

00:21:36.440 The stuff lines up.

00:21:38.140 Yeah, the Zodiac killer.

00:21:39.280 But I think that was more mean energy.

00:21:42.680 They both went after each other's wives.

00:21:45.420 They did.

00:21:45.800 There was a lot of bad stuff like that, but I do feel like things got very – there were some very wild allegations that were made against DeSantis' family from at least people pretty adjacent to Trump world.

00:21:59.940 I can't remember if there was ever a truth about it or anything like that.

00:22:02.440 I don't think that they went as hard at DeSantis as they did against Ted Cruz.

00:22:09.040 I really don't think so.

00:22:10.100 I don't think they ever suggested Ted Cruz. 0.97

00:22:11.820 The thing about the Zodiac killer is it's sort of silly, but it's insane. 0.95

00:22:16.500 You're not old enough to be the Zodiac killer. 0.98

00:22:18.300 Trump went very savage against Heidi Cruz.

00:22:20.120 You forget.

00:22:20.780 He put up a picture of Heidi Cruz.

00:22:22.800 Remember that?

00:22:23.680 That was really aggressive.

00:22:25.620 I feel like it's hard – in my head, it's hard to top earnestly implying that a candidate is a pedophile. 0.69

00:22:32.140 That was pretty wild to me.

00:22:33.460 So the question then remains the bus analogy.

00:22:39.180 Yeah, so does he forgive too easily?

00:22:41.140 He definitely – he will welcome people.

00:22:43.180 There is a criticism of some people.

00:22:45.640 They'll say why on earth are some of these people even being entertained back into the orbit?

00:22:50.740 What will stink, I think, is Trump – like I said, he fixates on a few people who he will never forgive.

00:22:57.660 I think Jeff Sessions is probably an example of that where Trump blames him for these things.

00:23:02.920 For the Russia investigation.

00:23:03.860 For Russia and all of this. 0.95

00:23:05.560 And so never again.

00:23:07.320 And I feel like he could end up doing that to DeSantis just in the sense that he loves beating up on DeSantis.

00:23:12.120 But if he doesn't perceive himself as having this feud with a person and there's only a few people that's really like, yeah, he'll just get over it immediately.

00:23:21.200 And he'll have the dinner conversation with them and three hours later it'll just be, Nikki Haley is back in MAGA camp.

00:23:29.580 We're going to appoint your secretary of state.

00:23:31.420 Well, to that statement though, I mean look at the dust up with Vivek from the last time that we were on a live stream together.

00:23:40.020 All four of us on a live stream, we were all talking about the dust up with Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:23:45.580 We were talking about the fact that, oh my gosh, Trump is going so hard at him.

00:23:50.080 He's calling him not MAGA.

00:23:52.460 He's calling him a snake.

00:23:53.600 He's saying all of these things.

00:23:54.900 And then within 24 hours, maybe not even 24 hours, all of a sudden he's getting the handshake and they're on stage together.

00:24:02.720 That surprised nobody though.

00:24:04.620 No one was shocked by that.

00:24:06.480 Well, because Vivek, okay, I think you, you talked about this earlier, Jack, you were talking about the way they comport themselves.

00:24:12.400 And I will say, you know, I was watching the chat.

00:24:15.520 It seemed like the chat was like, you know, screw Steve Cortez.

00:24:19.900 I tend to be like, want to show some magnanimous love for Steve, but I don't, the timing I think.

00:24:26.900 And I don't disagree.

00:24:27.620 I'm just, I'm, I'm wrestling.

00:24:28.580 Cause you know, my temptation, let me just say my, my fleshly temptation wanted to say, oh, Steve, thanks for the text, man.

00:24:35.980 Where were you over the summer when you were pumping DeSantis for an unnecessary primary, probably being paid way too much money by a now defunct bankrupted super PAC.

00:24:44.240 I didn't say that, but like I was tempted to, you know what I'm saying?

00:24:47.880 Like I was saying like, but I didn't think while we were laboring through the fields of trying to get this nomination over with.

00:24:53.340 Yeah. 0.92

00:24:53.920 And being called cult members and all this crap.

00:24:56.040 And I didn't text it.

00:24:57.060 Yeah, of course.

00:24:57.620 And you know, you just said it.

00:24:59.040 I texted what I was tempted to.

00:25:01.000 I said what I was tempted to do.

00:25:01.820 Boring question.

00:25:02.340 It's like, okay, well, politics is a mercenary business.

00:25:04.540 Was he offered a thing by the Trump campaign or was he only offered something by DeSantis?

00:25:08.220 No, I don't know.

00:25:09.060 That's the difference.

00:25:09.900 That's a good question.

00:25:10.560 I mean, I don't know.

00:25:11.180 I don't want to believe that he was definitely in MAGA's.

00:25:14.460 No, that's fair.

00:25:14.960 He was in MAGA's circle, but his daughter was working for the Trump campaign.

00:25:17.460 But I don't know that I want to think of politics as mercenary.

00:25:21.280 And maybe that's just me being –

00:25:22.380 Wasn't Mike Lee's wife working – Senator Lee's wife was working for Never Back Down when he endorsed Trump? 0.88

00:25:27.780 Oops.

00:25:28.820 Well, I mean, there's a lot of that.

00:25:30.120 I mean, I just don't want to think of it as so mercenary.

00:25:32.420 And I think this is why it strikes a certain chord when we're talking about it and why you were tweeting about it, why it was such a –

00:25:38.460 I mean, I want to say it was the Jamie Dimon clip that actually set all of this off.

00:25:45.100 I mean, Charlie, you tweeted it and went kind of viral that morning.

00:25:47.980 I think it's – I don't look at – so Jamie Dimon is a different bucket, right?

00:25:52.540 I mean, Jamie Dimon is one of these guys that goes where the wind blows.

00:25:55.660 He's a weather vane.

00:25:56.560 He says things that are moderately popular in the center, whatever.

00:26:01.220 He's a good businessman, actually.

00:26:03.180 And I think that's one category.

00:26:04.880 Should you let somebody like that into your administration or your cabinet?

00:26:08.240 In my opinion, absolutely not.

00:26:09.820 Absolutely not.

00:26:10.420 But you do want somebody like that to come do the photo op at the White House.

00:26:13.760 You want to keep him at arm's length.

00:26:15.200 So let me ask a question, though.

00:26:16.460 Is someone like Steve Cortez more trustworthy than a silent establishment person that just lurks in the water and doesn't have any strong opinions?

00:26:25.280 100%.

00:26:25.760 Right?

00:26:26.100 The kind of Elaine Chao's of the world.

00:26:28.840 Yeah, right.

00:26:29.780 The turtle Chinese Communist Party wife. 0.78

00:26:32.120 I agree.

00:26:33.180 I would rather have Steve Cortez than all of a sudden the establishment figure that appears when Trump looks like he's going to be the nominee.

00:26:39.980 There's a million people who just, yeah, stay below the surface, don't say too much.

00:26:43.940 It's amazing.

00:26:44.640 This is a cottage industry I have not – I'm going to write a piece on this, and I think it's so important.

00:26:49.740 And I'm just learning – because all of a sudden as Trump's getting the nomination, I'm seeing texts and calls of people I haven't in a long time.

00:26:55.840 And I thought to myself, they –

00:26:56.740 Same here, man.

00:26:57.880 No, but it's interesting, though.

00:26:58.980 They weren't anti-Trump.

00:27:00.740 They were kind of doing the circuit and doing the thing.

00:27:03.020 They were just gone.

00:27:03.800 They were just kind of gone.

00:27:04.420 Yeah, they were just kind of gone, and it's as if like a beacon went out, and they're like, here I am.

00:27:10.440 Yeah.

00:27:11.040 Wait, wait.

00:27:11.720 I tweeted about this.

00:27:13.100 I said, all of a sudden my phone is chirping more than the smoke alarm in Joy Reid's living room with people that I haven't heard from in years.

00:27:21.160 But I wanted to get this out that Raheem had a great point about this, and Raheem and Steve have – I'm not going to speak for him, but they were obviously very close before all this war room posse, et cetera.

00:27:30.980 And Raheem had a point, and he said, look, there was a time in my life where I would have said, screw them all and kick them all overboard.

00:27:37.880 But one thing is, what are you bringing to bear?

00:27:41.440 And I think, Charlie, this is kind of what you're getting at as well, is what do you bring to the table?

00:27:45.640 And one thing that Steve Cortez had, and he still does have this, is that he was an excellent communicator, that he did have that communication skill.

00:27:55.820 He did have that chalk talk.

00:27:57.620 He had that ability to bring this to bear.

00:27:59.660 Now, he never really was able to put it into play for DeSantis, which, by the way, is a whole interesting story that I'd love to get to because I remember he wasn't really doing these things for DeSantis.

00:28:09.820 It's like they kind of put him on the shelf really, really far.

00:28:12.820 And then the question is, do you want a guy out there every day making chalk talks like that for Donald Trump?

00:28:19.340 And I was like, you know, on average, on net, I would rather have that on margin.

00:28:24.100 It makes sense.

00:28:24.700 So, Jack, as far as high-level appointments and things, that's, you know.

00:28:29.280 Well, and Jack, I think what's interesting about 2020, 2026 versus now is 2026, it made sense to unite the clans, right?

00:28:39.220 Like bring everybody home because Trump did not have an established backing.

00:28:43.440 But what made 2023 awkward was, A, and I think, Jack, you know this better than anybody, is how vitriolic and obnoxious the DeSantis influencers became.

00:28:55.260 And then, B, the mere fact that all of them used to back Donald Trump.

00:29:00.540 So it was – but whereas in 2016, you know, the people that were anti-Trump, never Trump, they had never backed him before.

00:29:07.300 Now, let's be fair.

00:29:08.060 Some of the Trump influencers were a little –

00:29:10.600 Fair, no.

00:29:11.640 But it's okay if you're winning.

00:29:14.440 That's my rule.

00:29:15.440 If you're winning, I give you more – it's like you're taunting.

00:29:19.660 You're up in the game.

00:29:20.760 Well, it's also –

00:29:21.540 I kid you not.

00:29:23.120 If you're losing and you're obnoxious, then I really got a problem.

00:29:25.840 Well, like Eric Erickson going like –

00:29:27.020 But it's also a different standpoint.

00:29:27.700 He's going to win Iowa.

00:29:28.800 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 If you're DeSantis, if you're – just look at a basic game theory here.

00:29:33.760 If you're DeSantis, you need to convert Trump voters to win.

00:29:38.940 And so if your team is running around calling everyone members of a cult, then you're not going to get those people on your side.

00:29:45.740 Meanwhile, if you're a Trump supporter, yeah, you can shave off a couple of points of hardcore DeSantis supporters because, again, as you say, he is the presumptive nominee.

00:30:00.700 So just basic game theory would say that the guy in the lead is able to do that.

00:30:04.340 It didn't feel welcoming to be – they felt like it was an antagonistic – I don't know why – Blake, I know you disagree with me on this.

00:30:11.420 I just – I cannot express this.

00:30:14.320 And you guys know, like I'm very – to this day, I still feel warm feelings about DeSantis because of what he's done in Florida.

00:30:23.840 And early on, I was – I was – I really was against all the vitriolic.

00:30:27.960 I know we don't say it.

00:30:30.140 Hey, I was against the vitriol in general.

00:30:32.980 I didn't like it.

00:30:33.720 But the bottom line is I felt like there was – once – it hit me that they were very obnoxious, very obnoxious.

00:30:45.360 And I don't know that I can fully articulate why, but I know that you think that it went both ways, and it did.

00:30:51.020 But I don't know why the feeling –

00:30:52.520 I agree with Tucker.

00:30:53.620 There was a repulsion I felt at times with some of the DeSantis people.

00:30:57.820 And maybe it was just the snobbery, the elitism.

00:31:00.340 I don't know.

00:31:00.960 I think a lot of that was probably – one, it was –

00:31:03.440 Is it confirmation bias?

00:31:04.200 I think it was being too online, and people on Twitter are terrible – or on X are terrible.

00:31:09.200 And also, I don't know.

00:31:10.660 I think it is really just – it goes both ways, and you decide to only notice one.

00:31:15.700 Like, I truthfully think there can be a lot of nasty behavior.

00:31:19.120 But what about Cernovich?

00:31:20.280 Cernovich is a guy that basically – and Jack, correct my facts here if I'm getting it wrong.

00:31:25.500 I read Cernovich as being an OG Trump guy, but he was, like, very critical, ultimately, of some things that happened.

00:31:33.380 So then he was very positive DeSantis, and then he just turned.

00:31:37.120 He was like, this is obnoxious.

00:31:38.480 You people are, like, grossing me out, and I don't want to be a part of it. 0.99

00:31:41.460 Plus, you just have loser energy. 0.96

00:31:43.300 So I – that's a guy that was completely in DeSantis' camp. 0.95

00:31:47.820 Everybody thought he was, like, pro-DeSantis.

00:31:49.560 I don't think it was – for him, it was that far.

00:31:51.520 He was.

00:31:51.840 He was at one point.

00:31:52.620 Yeah, but then he turned on him.

00:31:54.420 He was Curtis DeSantis at one point because he was like, I want competency.

00:31:58.080 He was like, I want – he was like, I get it.

00:32:00.460 Like, I love the funny bad boy stuff, the funny tweets and all.

00:32:04.000 But at the end of the day, sure, you can win an election, but what does it matter if you don't get anything across the board when you're actually in office?

00:32:11.600 And, you know, he said this publicly, so I'm not putting words in his mouth.

00:32:16.920 But it was more this idea that if we can get a guy in who's competent and also has all of these beliefs but without the drama, then maybe we can actually move the needle.

00:32:26.700 The problem was the drama ensued.

00:32:28.600 And case in point is that you had people who were on staff acting this way online, on staff, Jeremy Redfirm and others on staff who were doing this – engaging in this type of behavior.

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00:36:13.540 Topic number two, thematically, I think we can open with a clip.

00:36:17.600 So we have a clip 115.

00:36:19.800 Welcome aboard, folks.

00:36:22.920 We are very proud to share that your pilot is the most diverse pilot on record.

00:36:28.400 She is a three foot two inch transgender pansexual Native American man who identifies as a six 0.98

00:36:33.840 foot tall Korean woman. 1.00

00:36:35.880 Any volunteers to help reach the controls are welcome.

00:36:39.160 You will want to buckle up as her epilepsy is often triggered by the flashing lights in

00:36:43.980 the cockpit.

00:36:45.160 Remember to keep a whisper volume level as she may have to consult instructional videos

00:36:49.780 as a refresher during the flight.

00:36:52.300 Now, can we get a big cheer for diversity?

00:36:58.700 I think that's Final Destination.

00:37:02.500 Final Destination.

00:37:05.700 Plane explodes.

00:37:06.960 Everyone dies.

00:37:07.500 And then he then gets back to being in the terminal, if I remember the movie.

00:37:10.280 Yeah.

00:37:10.820 Yeah.

00:37:10.960 Because it's like a Ford backwards.

00:37:12.280 Faith kills off.

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.120 Exactly.

00:37:13.700 Yeah.

00:37:13.920 Good for you.

00:37:14.760 What a I don't think I saw more than that scene.

00:37:17.800 I just remember that so vividly because it happens and then he goes back to the terminal.

00:37:21.240 But who wants to take it?

00:37:23.400 This is what's going on.

00:37:24.180 So United Airlines, do we have the Kirby clip?

00:37:27.000 Can we get to this?

00:37:27.740 Andrew, I want you to riff on this from a PR perspective.

00:37:29.600 You had a beautiful take on it earlier.

00:37:31.580 And we have the Kirby.

00:37:33.580 Just while they get it.

00:37:35.160 So the reason, of course, it's in the news is people have dug up remarks that United Airlines

00:37:39.340 CEO Scott Kirby made in, I think, 2021.

00:37:42.560 But he says, you know, United Airlines is very committed to making sure that 50% of their

00:37:47.980 pilots are women or people of color. 0.93

00:37:50.540 I want to get that.

00:37:50.780 Yes.

00:37:51.120 And by the way, just Andrew had three really good takes.

00:37:53.700 First, from a PR perspective of just how the questions were asked.

00:37:57.040 Oh, yeah.

00:37:57.420 And remember, just like the framing, it's kind of, and I want you to just play this tape.

00:38:01.020 And then I want you to walk people through just because you listen to this from a PR

00:38:04.580 kind of standpoint.

00:38:05.840 Let's play cut 93, please.

00:38:07.200 Yeah, that's it.

00:38:08.500 How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy?

00:38:13.100 We have committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color.

00:38:19.220 Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color.

00:38:24.220 And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in

00:38:27.380 the country.

00:38:28.120 White males don't just dominate in the cockpits. 0.99

00:38:29.820 Also, in the C-suite at United Airlines.

00:38:32.380 Well, look, at United, I'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our C-suite.

00:38:35.980 I think if you look around corporate America, one of the things we do is for every job when

00:38:40.460 we do an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process. 0.95

00:38:46.140 So I just want to say, white males dominate on the hosts of ThoughtCrime.

00:38:49.700 This is not a diverse race. 0.89

00:38:50.860 We have 100%.

00:38:52.700 We have a diversity problem here on ThoughtCrime.

00:38:55.240 Yeah, we do.

00:38:55.620 We have – our demographics here exactly match the demographics of the men who wrote

00:38:59.620 the Constitution.

00:39:00.340 So, Andrew, just riff on this because the buried lead here is not even the CEO answering

00:39:05.560 the question.

00:39:06.500 It's the Axios propagandists, the way he asks the question.

00:39:10.080 No, this is why we say that the media is the enemy of the people because the way he asks

00:39:15.080 these questions, he's assuming that this value system that's completely arbitrary, it's

00:39:22.060 just the next new thing.

00:39:23.380 So he's assuming the virtue in his line of questioning.

00:39:26.720 So he's demanding that the respondent, in this case Kirby, CEO of United, fits into this

00:39:33.400 moral framework that he's just establishing the question.

00:39:36.120 You could call it leading the question.

00:39:38.000 Yeah, but the way that – imagine Musk pushing back on this.

00:39:42.940 He would basically be like, well, your question's BS. 0.94

00:39:45.680 But instead, you have this weak, effeminate, turns out, drag queen CEO that doesn't push 1.00

00:39:52.500 back on the premise, doesn't reject the premise at all, instead parrots it back. 0.94

00:39:57.000 And there's a striking moment here.

00:40:00.060 19% of United's pilot corps is minority or women.

00:40:05.740 Now, no coincidence, 19% of their flights are never on time.

00:40:11.320 Correlation without causation?

00:40:13.000 They have to get ready.

00:40:14.020 Yeah, it's a –

00:40:16.020 Get ready.

00:40:17.280 I was going to riff on that again.

00:40:18.800 So here's what's crazy.

00:40:21.400 Going from 19% to 50-50 – he's still laughing at himself.

00:40:27.600 Going from 19% to 50-50 in one year.

00:40:31.740 He said our class in 2023 in one year is actually impossible.

00:40:36.440 And I think, Blake, you made this point.

00:40:38.120 Are there even enough women or minority potential pilots out there that want to be a pilot? 1.00

00:40:45.260 Where are they going to find these people?

00:40:47.120 It's the funny thing because they want –

00:40:48.520 Where's the supply going to come from?

00:40:49.640 There's a diversity push in literally every industry in America.

00:40:53.300 So they're like, okay, we need to have more women and people of color physicists and pilots and finance gurus and film directors. 1.00

00:41:03.660 Don't forget surgeons.

00:41:04.860 But we can't – also, it's okay that they're more common than the population in professional sports or hip-hop or any of these industries.

00:41:13.000 And we don't want that to go away.

00:41:14.320 And you just – you need only a very basic brain here to do the math in your head and say this doesn't work out.

00:41:23.400 And then if you just go back to the source, okay, well, what's the intake from this?

00:41:27.300 Well, the reason that pilots are all male is to become a pilot is hard.

00:41:31.280 You need a ton of hours in the air to become a commercial airline pilot.

00:41:35.160 And a lot are veterans.

00:41:35.740 Let's just put –

00:41:36.320 So you get people who either are veterans, and those go through a pretty tough winnowing process, or people who care enough about it and have the resources to be hobby pilots at a high amount of time.

00:41:48.060 Or their parents paid for flight school when they're 16, 17, or 18 years old.

00:41:51.020 Exactly.

00:41:51.580 Which is a thing of upper-middle-class society.

00:41:53.480 And so, man, you have to be careful saying that because soon we'll get Congress just allocating $50 billion to the, like, women-in-flight program to pay for underprivileged people to just get flight hours.

00:42:05.120 And then they'll just be crashing small planes all over the place.

00:42:07.960 But this is – I think this is the red pill of the red pill.

00:42:11.620 Every issue where anyone who's remotely normie in my orbit goes 10 out of 10, it's the flight one.

00:42:19.860 I have to be honest.

00:42:20.660 Or, like, surgeons.

00:42:21.440 Surgeon and flight are the top two where it's, like, no one really cares when it's HR managers.

00:42:26.240 No one cared when it was, you know, just kind of paper shufflers or even engineers.

00:42:31.800 But now when it's, like, wait, wait, hold on a second. 1.00

00:42:34.540 You're going to remove my appendix, and you're a black lesbian? 1.00

00:42:39.300 Well, you bring these – 1.00

00:42:40.480 Did you have to go through the same –

00:42:43.160 I say this all the time on the show.

00:42:44.260 When I get on an airplane, you know, I want my pilot to be like, hi, this is Chad.

00:42:50.380 And maybe, like, a little bit of a southern accent.

00:42:52.980 Chad Buckworth here.

00:42:54.460 No, Chad.

00:42:55.020 This is my 31,000th hour.

00:42:59.320 I'm kind of bored, honestly.

00:43:00.920 I could do this in my sleep.

00:43:02.180 Charles.

00:43:02.620 Exactly.

00:43:03.580 I want just, like, cookie cutter.

00:43:06.020 Like, yeah, this is so easy to me.

00:43:09.440 I don't want Laquisha James.

00:43:11.900 They have that, like, pilot voice.

00:43:13.460 And she's just like, hi, ladies and gentlemen.

00:43:17.840 Pray for me.

00:43:19.900 And the truth is, this is a creation that the left wanted.

00:43:24.520 And they think you can't say anything about it because they'll call you a racist.

00:43:29.180 And this is where we really have to take the gloves off and say your name calling will not get in the way of people's safety at 35,000 feet.

00:43:38.100 They're like, it's offensive to call someone a diversity hire.

00:43:40.160 You guys are the ones who legally require diversity hires.

00:43:42.460 You are the ones who say we need to hire people based on skin color. 0.99

00:43:46.000 If we didn't hire people based on skin color, this wouldn't happen because every pilot would be qualified.

00:43:50.980 Jack is chomping at the bit here.

00:43:53.200 We said this on the show today, and I was like, I'm going to get in trouble.

00:43:56.700 I was with Mike Davis.

00:43:57.540 I said, fine, I'm going to say it.

00:43:58.600 We're on human events.

00:43:59.680 And I said, am I supposed to just not notice that Fannie Willis is on the exact same Soros prosecutor trajectory as Kim Gardner was in St. Louis?

00:44:10.340 The exact same trajectory.

00:44:13.240 And I'm sorry, but they look almost exactly the same other than the fact that one had long hair and one had short hair.

00:44:20.200 They have almost the same background.

00:44:22.620 They have this very questionable legal experience.

00:44:24.580 And one of them, if you remember, Kim Gardner had the prosecutor that was like lying to the grand jury.

00:44:31.540 And I don't think there was ever any evidence of a relationship, but something funky was going on there.

00:44:36.000 She's she's gotten so far out that even the mayor of like the far left liberal mayor of St. Louis was like, you need to resign.

00:44:42.860 Like you need to leave.

00:44:44.600 And this was like, like what last year?

00:44:46.120 And then all of a sudden, Fannie Willis is like, come on.

00:44:49.580 She's not actually using the money for the prosecution for paying her lover off into.

00:44:54.160 Oh, she is. 0.88

00:44:54.880 And they're going on all these trips and stuff.

00:44:56.040 So I'm just like, like, we're not supposed to know.

00:44:58.300 We're not allowed to notice these things.

00:44:59.800 We're not allowed to buy rich leather bound books by Steve Saylor.

00:45:03.920 We're definitely not allowed to read any of his columns.

00:45:06.540 And we're certainly not going to talk about anything that he's written later on the show today.

00:45:11.040 But it's like, at what point do and I guess, Charlie, that's to your point, right?

00:45:15.620 It's the point where your life is literally in their hands that you say, all right, I can't do it anymore.

00:45:20.720 Because the lies that you are forced to hold in your head.

00:45:23.320 19 percent are already diversity higher.

00:45:25.540 So one out of five flights, you guys are putting your life in your own hands.

00:45:29.140 I want this united.

00:45:30.220 Wouldn't it be great if you just would have pushed back and been like, well, OK, hold on.

00:45:33.740 We're making some headway here.

00:45:35.120 We're trying to, you know, at a young age, want to get him exposed to flying.

00:45:38.620 But half the problem is that it tends to be white young men that want to get into the pilot.

00:45:42.080 Why does it matter?

00:45:42.880 We want excellence. 1.00

00:45:43.820 Like, screw you, weird white little pushback would have been a relief. 1.00

00:45:47.900 You just assumed the premise was accurate. 1.00

00:45:49.980 And as if it's, like, perfectly fine.

00:45:51.760 Like, yes, we need the most diverse flight crew ever because obviously when – by the way, Rob Schneider has the best – I love Rob Schneider.

00:45:59.060 We've become friends.

00:45:59.920 Can we play that tape, Ryan?

00:46:01.000 We had it for the show.

00:46:01.760 It's so well done.

00:46:02.680 But there's just not an acknowledgment of certain constraining limitations here.

00:46:07.100 And I think that's what's so troubling is in that clip he doesn't acknowledge that there is structural and cultural reasons for this disparity.

00:46:13.980 And so you're sitting here as, like, a potential victim in the back of the plane going, like, oh, my gosh.

00:46:19.640 Like, he's just going to force this through.

00:46:21.520 And there's – he doesn't seem to care about the fact that if some people can't fly so good.

00:46:26.060 If Delta wanted to just dominate, they should do an ad and be like, Delta Airlines, excellence is how we hire our pilots.

00:46:33.100 And you'll be safe.

00:46:34.280 I'm telling you, they would have 20% more, like, ticket sales.

00:46:37.360 You know they'd get boycotted, too, by the –

00:46:39.740 No, look, everything is going to be fine, man.

00:46:42.680 300 people – I hope I'm wrong.

00:46:45.020 It's just someone's going to die because we could joke about this all we want.

00:46:48.260 You cannot have – it's very, very sophisticated.

00:46:52.160 You hire people for sophisticated, high-stakes, immediate call jobs with 50 checklist items, and you do not have competency as the core reason.

00:47:03.380 Somebody's going to die.

00:47:04.740 You're –

00:47:05.340 Okay, so –

00:47:06.440 Okay, go ahead, Jack.

00:47:07.860 Sorry.

00:47:08.080 Yeah, no, I actually looked this up recently when this whole sort of discourse began.

00:47:13.960 And in the Soviet Union, it was known and it was well-known at the time that it was the worst air travel in the entire world because, again, pilots in the Soviet Union, Aeroflot, were chosen for political reasons.

00:47:27.820 Now, it wasn't diversity reasons, but, again, it was another political non-quality, non-qualified reason.

00:47:33.820 So you had to be – you know, you had to be of the right moral character, which, of course, was run through the KTV and run through the party and your family couldn't have any dissidents in it and all of this stuff.

00:47:44.560 And you would get literally hundreds, almost 1,000 plane crashes throughout the history of the USSR, like something like 700, like this insane number.

00:47:55.080 All the way up to the point where – and this is why people still, to this day, ride the train a lot in that part of the world because they're just used to that.

00:48:02.860 They're used to air travel being incredibly dangerous.

00:48:05.800 Up to the point in the 1990s, if anyone remembers this – I don't remember this, but I know about it because Michael Crichton wrote a whole book about this, but it actually took place – his book takes place in the U.S., but this is an incident that actually happened in Russia in the 1990s.

00:48:21.820 So it's a couple of years after the Soviet Union fell, but you still kind of have this pilot corps that's made up of like political apparatchiks and such where – yeah, the pilot allowed his 15-year-old son and his 13-year-old daughter to take the controls while everyone's asleep on like a long-haul flight.

00:48:41.160 And they accidentally disengaged the autopilot and were flying the plane itself and literally flew the plane into a mountain in Russia and killed everyone on board.

00:48:52.820 And this was like Aeroflot, full commercial flight, just completely insane, completely insane.

00:48:58.980 It lets his kids take the controls.

00:49:00.880 And sorry, by the way, I just spoiled the book for anyone who was reading it or wanted to read it.

00:49:04.640 But this stuff has actually happened and like not that long ago in our history, which by the way – and you know this is going to happen next because whenever there was a whistleblower anywhere in the Soviet Union who wanted to like come out and actually explain what was going on, you can only imagine what happened to them.

00:49:20.860 And I guarantee that's the exact same thing the federal government will do when it comes to the diversity hire captains on our end.

00:49:26.440 If anyone's at Boeing or at United, that's why they've got to run to – and I implore you, please go to James O'Keefe and get the information out now because people are going to die.

00:49:34.760 We are going to have planes raining, raining down on the United States before this is done.

00:49:42.000 I hope you're wrong.

00:49:44.220 Yeah, that's the truth of it.

00:49:46.500 But can I make two points?

00:49:49.040 Charlie, you've been zeroing in on these issues.

00:49:52.060 And I don't know if you've been doing it on the show as much or on the chat, but you say, that's a red pill issue.

00:49:57.020 Trust me, this is a red pill issue.

00:49:58.520 And what we're really getting at is –

00:49:59.960 Because I talk to a lot of normies.

00:50:00.940 Yeah.

00:50:01.360 What you're really getting at – and see, this is why I've always been like migration, migration, migration, or illegal immigration, whatever you want.

00:50:07.500 Because it's something that you feel very viscerally.

00:50:11.480 It's primal.

00:50:11.960 You walk on your streets and you're like, man, 10 years ago, my street used to have my neighbors on it, and now it doesn't.

00:50:19.980 And there's all these people that don't speak my language.

00:50:22.540 And it's very disorienting.

00:50:25.760 And people will vote that way.

00:50:27.840 We're seeing this upend the Western world, right?

00:50:31.800 Guns are like this because it's very personal.

00:50:34.160 You're trying to take something away that makes people safe.

00:50:37.780 You're talking about the Chilean robbery rings.

00:50:41.240 Yes.

00:50:41.620 Because people are like, I don't feel safe in my home.

00:50:43.820 And we can see from the crime statistics that they're going up, inflation, it hits personally.

00:50:49.480 And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off.

00:51:06.480 And I feel better now thinking about that.

00:51:08.100 I mean, like, you want to go thought crime?

00:51:09.300 Like, I'm sorry. 0.78

00:51:10.500 If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. 1.00

00:51:14.260 Well, that's the game theory.

00:51:15.560 You wouldn't have done that before.

00:51:17.320 That's not an immediate.

00:51:18.520 No, you wouldn't have done that before.

00:51:19.800 That's not who I am.

00:51:20.100 That's not what I believe.

00:51:21.280 It is the reality the left has created.

00:51:23.020 I want to be as blunt as possible because now I'm connecting two dots.

00:51:27.160 Wait a second.

00:51:27.700 The CEO said that he's forcing that a white qualified guy is not going to get the job.

00:51:32.900 So I see this guy.

00:51:33.860 He might be a nice person.

00:51:34.860 I say, boy, I hope he's not a Harvard style affirmative action student that has points for. 0.77

00:51:41.000 And he like he he landed half of his flight simulator, you know, trials.

00:51:45.780 That's the thing.

00:51:46.440 And I just I such a good and by the way, it also it creates like unhealthy thinking patterns.

00:51:51.940 I don't want to think that way.

00:51:53.600 And no one should.

00:51:54.680 Right.

00:51:54.800 I mean, I so then I kind of sit down.

00:51:56.780 I'm like, boy, I hope you have these.

00:51:58.680 Yeah.

00:51:58.960 And by the way, then you couple it with the FAA air traffic control. 0.99

00:52:02.580 They got a bunch of morons and affirmative action people. 0.98

00:52:05.560 Yeah, it's play cut 112. 1.00

00:52:07.000 What is it?

00:52:07.500 Can you can you give me some context?

00:52:08.920 This is this is a so when you land, there's a dialogue that goes on between the pilot and air traffic control.

00:52:15.140 So you've got this pilot.

00:52:16.260 Is this real?

00:52:16.840 This is real, apparently.

00:52:18.340 And he's he's having a debate.

00:52:20.580 It's going around.

00:52:21.400 Somebody probably leaked it to James O'Keefe.

00:52:23.340 But like he's having a debate with air traffic control and she's trying to tell him how she thinks she should she he should land.

00:52:29.800 And he's saying, woman, I've been doing this for 15 years.

00:52:33.180 I think I know what I'm doing.

00:52:34.520 And she goes, I just Googled this.

00:52:36.360 Do you remember when I said this a couple of weeks ago?

00:52:38.060 I said, what, they're they're hiring a bunch of blacks for no reason at air traffic control for and they're there. 1.00

00:52:43.240 This started in the Obama years.

00:52:45.080 No, I know.

00:52:45.840 I'm saying, though, this has been going on and I've been getting whistleblowers from the FAA for years.

00:52:49.500 And people and say, you're a racist, you're this.

00:52:51.620 Play cut 112.

00:52:53.780 For a short approach, if you're going to do a power up 180, that's my point.

00:52:57.720 Well, OK, I will remember that from now on, no problem.

00:53:00.820 Yeah, when you ask for a short approach, I expect you to turn your base between the numbers.

00:53:04.480 All right, this will be a full stop for 6-5-Charlie.

00:53:09.900 And maybe we need to talk about that some more because you're the first controller in 15 years that's ever said that.

00:53:15.300 Well, I'm just, you know, if you ask for a short approach, a short approach is when you turn your base and mean the numbers.

00:53:22.840 If I know you're a student asking for a short approach, I know you're out there practicing and you probably will extend.

00:53:30.500 But if you're doing something other than a short approach, don't ask for a short approach.

00:53:35.840 Well, I will definitely look up the definition of short approach because I've never seen where it says you turn base or beam the numbers because I don't see how you could possibly do that.

00:53:43.920 Well, I Googled it, actually.

00:53:45.860 I Googled short approach and it says you turn your base or beam or before the numbers and you will win.

00:53:51.520 Is this real?

00:53:53.320 It sounds real.

00:53:55.720 Can we make, can I, where did this come from?

00:53:58.520 Can we get the chirp?

00:53:59.500 I need the chirp.

00:54:00.580 Where's my chirp?

00:54:02.280 Come on, guys.

00:54:03.140 We got to be quicker on the chirp.

00:54:04.280 Can you find this where this came from, Blake?

00:54:06.340 I'll look into it.

00:54:07.000 I want to make sure this is 100% right, by the way.

00:54:08.740 I never heard this before.

00:54:10.800 I didn't know that was coming.

00:54:12.840 God, no.

00:54:14.000 We're all dead. 1.00

00:54:15.080 This is a pilot who's 35,000 feet in the air trying to land a plane full of passengers communicating with some moron. 0.99

00:54:21.520 Who is no better than, like, you know, just customer service. 0.97

00:54:26.260 To be honest, though, she sounded somewhat knowledgeable.

00:54:28.900 The woman is Brenda Mooney, and she's apparently an air traffic controller at the small airport of Denton, Texas.

00:54:34.800 So this was a real dialogue.

00:54:36.860 At least they've fingered a real person.

00:54:38.920 And there's a petition with 1,700 signatures to have her removed.

00:54:43.040 Well, look, my money's on the pilot, okay?

00:54:45.560 I'm going to be honest.

00:54:46.560 I don't know the technical stuff of what they're talking about at all.

00:54:49.580 I have plenty of pilots that I can ask.

00:54:50.900 But I can say this.

00:54:52.080 You know, a lot of people email the show.

00:54:53.520 I have had pilots and air traffic control say, Charlie, you have no idea what's happening in air travel.

00:54:58.420 The woke mind virus has taken over.

00:55:00.320 People are going to die.

00:55:01.340 Planes are going to fall out of the air.

00:55:02.340 Even the New York Times has covered this.

00:55:03.960 They've covered how there's this huge increase in near misses.

00:55:07.260 Well, because at some point, the New York Times wants to go to the Bahamas.

00:55:10.440 Yeah.

00:55:10.700 And even they are like, I don't know how I'm going to be exempt from this one.

00:55:14.480 Part of it, though, is that there's just simply more air travel, right?

00:55:17.980 And so there used to be a rule in aviation, and I'm out of my depth here, but this was explained to me,

00:55:23.440 that you used to have to fly 2,000 feet apart, like on top of each other, right?

00:55:29.020 So you had to have 2,000 feet of clearance, plane over plane, if you were going to come within a certain proximity to one another.

00:55:35.860 At some point, that was deemed to be too much trouble for the aviation industry, and so they lowered the threshold to 1,000 feet of clearance,

00:55:46.560 which just means the planes are flying closer together midair, especially as you approach busy, you know, airports and things like that, cities.

00:55:55.580 Because remember, it's not just commercial air travel.

00:55:57.980 We've got Cessnas, you've got private jets, you've got, you know, hobby flyers.

00:56:04.340 So it's a complicated – I just want to say, it's a complicated field, and there's a lot going on and a lot of variables.

00:56:12.620 Wall Street Journal, FedEx, Southwest planes come within 100 feet of each other during close call.

00:56:17.160 I mean, this is happening all the time.

00:56:18.700 Remember, it's a complicated field, but it is one where we're also endlessly messing with it.

00:56:23.740 It's not that complicated because we actually came to a place of agreed-upon standards and safety,

00:56:30.200 and now we're deciding to destroy that.

00:56:32.960 And to Andrew's point, my working hypothesis, which I think is rather unique to us and me,

00:56:38.340 is that the politics of taking is way more powerful than the politics of even giving.

00:56:43.480 You're taking someone's abortion rights away, you're taking their guns away, you're taking their country away, you're taking kids away. 0.69

00:56:49.560 It is immediate, it's personal.

00:56:51.700 You imagine your life without that thing, taking of gas stoves, the taking of your car.

00:56:56.620 And the side that is doing the taking tends to not be as popular.

00:56:59.800 And that's why abortion tends to be not a winning issue for us currently,

00:57:03.080 is it feels as if we're going in and interfering and taking something away from people.

00:57:06.760 Now, putting that aside, it doesn't, I just, I can't imagine how the Democrats will spin this one.

00:57:13.400 And by the way, House Republicans, you want to get a PR win?

00:57:16.400 Drag the United Airlines CEO. 1.00

00:57:18.300 Oh, yeah.

00:57:18.700 I mean, just the same way that what Elisa Fonick did with Harvard, bring this guy up.

00:57:24.160 I forgot about how bad it was with the FAAs gutting the standards.

00:57:28.620 So this was covered with Tucker Carlson back when I was there in 2018.

00:57:31.420 You can take the screen if you guys want.

00:57:32.360 And so part of this was they took a lot of the skill-based stuff

00:57:37.140 and they replaced it with a biographical questionnaire.

00:57:39.540 Do you have the right traits to be a pilot?

00:57:41.900 They loved it.

00:57:42.460 Anytime you're running into affirmative action crap, they do this biographical questionnaire stuff. 0.93

00:57:46.320 That's how they always get away with hiring criminals and stuff.

00:57:48.680 So starting in 2014, the FAA added a biographical questionnaire

00:57:52.440 to the application process for being an air traffic controller.

00:57:56.200 Applicants with a lower aptitude in science got preference

00:57:59.720 over applicants who had scored excellent in science

00:58:02.900 and applicants who had been unemployed for the previous three years

00:58:07.300 gotten more points on the quiz than licensed pilots got.

00:58:12.040 They actively were looking for unqualified people to hire them.

00:58:16.640 And they do this.

00:58:17.600 They do this a lot.

00:58:18.340 It's only really broken into the thought crime lab.

00:58:22.100 And it's unreal.

00:58:24.120 And a story I linked this with in my head just now is,

00:58:27.820 did you hear that the moon landing got delayed again?

00:58:32.340 So NASA was supposed to land on the moon in 2025,

00:58:35.280 and I think that was already delayed from 2024.

00:58:37.580 Oh, I thought this was like a joke setup.

00:58:39.080 No, no.

00:58:39.540 They're delaying the moon landing.

00:58:40.360 I actually thought it was a joke setup, too.

00:58:41.660 To 2026.

00:58:42.300 Even though I knew it was in the show chart.

00:58:43.820 SpaceX or NASA?

00:58:44.500 NASA, because we have that Artemis program, 0.94

00:58:46.280 which we named because it's going to send the first woman to the moon. 1.00

00:58:49.200 By the way, Elon would never mess around with this stuff.

00:58:50.600 The first woman on the moon needs more time to get ready. 1.00

00:58:53.840 They're suing Elon because he doesn't have enough refugees.

00:58:56.520 I have an Elon theory after.

00:58:58.080 By the way, Jack and I are both reading the book together.

00:59:00.300 He wants to go to Mars to get away from diversity mandates. 0.89

00:59:03.100 Wait, Charlie, can I just say, though?

00:59:04.540 I knew that the, and it's along these lines,

00:59:08.340 I knew that this mission was not going to work.

00:59:11.360 You know how I know that the moon landing wasn't going to work,

00:59:14.560 this latest one they were talking about?

00:59:16.120 Because Elon hadn't talked about it.

00:59:17.780 If I heard it from him, I might say, okay, all right,

00:59:20.540 yeah, if he was hyping it.

00:59:21.780 But the fact that he hasn't even mentioned it once is like,

00:59:24.540 okay, yeah, it's not happening.

00:59:27.580 So let's get to the next topic here,

00:59:29.160 because we're already in an hour.

00:59:30.700 Oh, yeah, okay.

00:59:31.440 So this was, we've got it.

00:59:33.900 I think we have it.

00:59:34.560 I think I sent it to you guys earlier,

00:59:35.780 but if not, I have it on the screen, too.

00:59:37.480 So this is an article, actually, from Steve Saylor,

00:59:40.560 who we've had on the show before.

00:59:41.540 He's great.

00:59:42.000 He had a thing in Tacky's Magazine

00:59:43.820 where he has a weekly column.

00:59:45.060 I encourage people to read it.

00:59:46.580 And he calls it Drowning in Data.

00:59:48.380 And one of Steve's big things is he's famous

00:59:51.500 for covering homicide stuff,

00:59:52.940 but he also likes to talk about traffic deaths,

00:59:56.500 and he likes to talk about drowning.

00:59:58.040 And a good number of people are aware

01:00:00.080 there are racial gaps in how often people drown. 0.93

01:00:03.760 Black people, unfortunately, 1.00

01:00:05.020 don't know how to swim as often. 1.00

01:00:06.080 They have a higher rate of drowning deaths.

01:00:08.100 And, in fact, it can be pretty bad

01:00:10.020 if you look at the CDC's own data,

01:00:13.500 drowning deaths per 100,000 people.

01:00:15.560 It's about 1.5 per 100,000 for black Americans,

01:00:19.140 and it's more like 1 per 100,000

01:00:21.420 for Hispanics and Asians, for example.

01:00:25.480 And that's many hundreds of people

01:00:27.940 over the course of a year difference.

01:00:30.940 And he just points out,

01:00:33.000 one of the ways we used to fight against that

01:00:34.540 was we used to encourage learning how to swim.

01:00:36.960 And so, for example,

01:00:38.640 American colleges used to have a swim test

01:00:40.580 very frequently in order to graduate.

01:00:42.400 In fact, when I went to Dartmouth,

01:00:43.360 that was a requirement at Dartmouth.

01:00:44.760 You had to pass a swim test when you showed up.

01:00:47.060 And if you did not pass it...

01:00:48.460 So you actually had to do it?

01:00:49.120 You had to do it.

01:00:49.620 You got in a pool?

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:50.320 And there were even stories of people

01:00:51.760 who didn't know how they didn't do it

01:00:54.160 when they matriculated.

01:00:55.220 They put it off,

01:00:55.980 because you could take a class, of course.

01:00:57.140 They put it off,

01:00:58.100 and then it comes time to graduation,

01:00:59.960 and they're like,

01:01:00.600 you guys haven't passed the swim test,

01:01:02.120 and they have to go do it.

01:01:03.140 You don't get to walk.

01:01:03.800 And I'm pretty sure they got rid of it

01:01:05.300 during COVID.

01:01:05.880 It feels very old Americana,

01:01:08.200 like a really cool vestige of the past.

01:01:10.720 But what's depressing is

01:01:11.900 they're getting rid of this.

01:01:13.140 And the justification is...

01:01:14.760 You can probably guess...

01:01:15.680 Charlie, take a wild guess

01:01:16.580 what the justification

01:01:17.200 for getting rid of swim tests for college is.

01:01:19.880 Racist?

01:01:20.340 It's racist.

01:01:21.220 It's not okay. 0.99

01:01:22.100 Because black kids don't swim. 1.00

01:01:23.540 They're less likely to know how to swim, 1.00

01:01:25.120 and this is embarrassing for them.

01:01:27.200 And what Steve points out is,

01:01:28.720 he's like,

01:01:29.880 as opposed to being anti-racist,

01:01:31.620 I'm anti-drowning.

01:01:33.120 And I think we should not have people drown,

01:01:35.480 even if it's of a certain race,

01:01:37.660 and it makes people feel awkward to confront it.

01:01:39.440 So his other point, though,

01:01:40.700 is that it's actually...

01:01:43.540 He makes a point that

01:01:45.020 it's about black women and their hair 1.00

01:01:47.800 and getting wet. 0.99

01:01:48.760 Not just that,

01:01:49.280 also that they have a higher obesity rate,

01:01:51.360 is what he says.

01:01:51.860 Right, right.

01:01:52.320 So they don't want to get in the water.

01:01:54.800 It's distressing, all of this stuff.

01:01:57.120 And so he ends the piece...

01:01:58.400 I got the quote here.

01:01:59.480 Okay, go ahead.

01:02:00.160 My guess is that the chief agitators...

01:02:03.260 And you can just see how Steve would say this.

01:02:05.260 My guess is that the chief agitators

01:02:08.220 for abolishing college swim requirements 0.98

01:02:11.620 are black women 0.98

01:02:13.580 who tend to be more overweight 0.98

01:02:16.980 than their rivals.

01:02:19.700 And he says, 0.97

01:02:20.840 while many obese black women 1.00

01:02:22.220 believe they look fine, 0.97

01:02:23.300 the kind who get into Williams,

01:02:24.620 that's a big liberal arts school...

01:02:26.300 Yeah, it is the liberal arts school.

01:02:27.840 They tend to be aware

01:02:29.200 that they don't match

01:02:30.420 elite society's beauty standards

01:02:32.100 while wearing bathing suits.

01:02:33.940 In turn, though,

01:02:34.900 the chief victims of anti-swimmism,

01:02:37.900 as he says, 0.99

01:02:38.500 are black men. 1.00

01:02:39.840 They're more likely to drown. 1.00

01:02:41.380 But in this age of black lives matter, 1.00

01:02:43.200 who cares about black lives? 1.00

01:02:45.080 Now, I don't know if he's correct

01:02:46.440 about that hypothesis

01:02:47.500 of what's driving it.

01:02:48.880 It's very Steve...

01:02:49.500 It's super fascinating.

01:02:50.060 It's very Steve to think of that one.

01:02:52.020 And this is the same guy

01:02:53.840 that we should tell the audience

01:02:55.140 if you're not aware

01:02:55.860 has done really incredible work

01:02:59.620 highlighting traffic fatalities

01:03:02.060 in post-BLM,

01:03:03.720 and how it's actually killing 0.98

01:03:04.780 a lot of black drivers 1.00

01:03:06.680 because they don't get pulled over anymore

01:03:08.460 because that would be racist

01:03:09.780 and racial targeting.

01:03:12.640 And so it's actually killing 0.99

01:03:13.560 a lot of black men. 0.99

01:03:14.780 And this is sort of a similar vein

01:03:16.180 where it's like,

01:03:17.020 well, racism is now killing 1.00

01:03:18.320 more black people. 0.99

01:03:19.660 Steve Saylor has the radical point of view 0.99

01:03:21.400 that fewer black people should drown, 1.00

01:03:23.360 fewer black people should die in car wrecks, 1.00

01:03:24.960 fewer black people should be run over 1.00

01:03:26.800 and fewer black people should be murdered. 1.00

01:03:28.200 And for that, 1.00

01:03:28.640 he's considered super racist.

01:03:30.660 Again, this...

01:03:31.440 So I...

01:03:32.040 Go ahead.

01:03:32.600 Go ahead, Jack.

01:03:33.460 No, I was just going to say,

01:03:34.600 you know,

01:03:34.920 I do have some lived experience

01:03:36.280 with this.

01:03:38.100 You know,

01:03:38.540 so I was in the Navy,

01:03:40.100 which means I went through

01:03:40.720 a Navy boot camp.

01:03:41.500 And when you go through

01:03:42.640 a Navy boot camp,

01:03:43.720 you...

01:03:45.240 And a lot of people,

01:03:46.360 I guess,

01:03:46.680 didn't know this,

01:03:47.640 or at least I found out

01:03:48.540 didn't know this,

01:03:49.080 that when you join the Navy,

01:03:50.160 it is a requirement

01:03:51.420 that you know how to swim

01:03:53.020 so that if you fall off the boat,

01:03:55.840 that hopefully there will be

01:03:57.380 some chance of recovering you.

01:04:00.060 This, you know,

01:04:01.060 I don't want to make light of that

01:04:02.580 because apparently

01:04:03.360 we actually lost two Navy SEALs

01:04:05.560 earlier this week

01:04:06.960 in a situation like this.

01:04:08.440 Now, obviously,

01:04:08.880 we're a Navy SEAL.

01:04:09.560 Probably more than

01:04:11.820 just falling happens

01:04:12.760 and you've got a lot of equipment

01:04:13.740 with you and such.

01:04:14.520 And so I certainly hope

01:04:15.540 that their remains are recovered

01:04:17.740 off the coast of Yemen,

01:04:19.880 I believe is where it was,

01:04:21.740 Babel-Mendeb area.

01:04:23.100 But the situation being that when...

01:04:26.080 So here's how it works.

01:04:26.860 You take the test

01:04:27.900 and, you know,

01:04:28.720 you jump off of...

01:04:30.040 It's like 15 foot high diving board.

01:04:32.120 You jump in the pool.

01:04:33.060 I think you swim like 500 meters.

01:04:35.280 It's an L shape, you know,

01:04:36.580 as you have to do a turn

01:04:37.400 and then you're allowed to do

01:04:38.240 one of three.

01:04:39.560 Different strokes as you swim.

01:04:41.480 Breast stroke,

01:04:42.660 the combat side stroke,

01:04:44.580 or basically like the frog stroke.

01:04:46.220 So, you know,

01:04:46.960 it's pretty simple

01:04:47.880 and, you know,

01:04:49.520 most people don't have a problem with it.

01:04:50.640 Then you have to show

01:04:51.240 that you can float prone

01:04:52.280 for five minutes

01:04:53.060 without touching the sides

01:04:54.820 and then you also have to show

01:04:55.780 that you can...

01:04:56.760 Or the bottom.

01:04:57.420 And then you have to show

01:04:58.040 that you can use your coveralls

01:04:59.060 as a flotation device.

01:05:00.660 And it's, you know,

01:05:01.180 it's...

01:05:01.560 Most people pass it

01:05:03.120 on the first go-around.

01:05:04.200 But if you have not passed it

01:05:06.320 on your first go-around,

01:05:07.360 you then have to go

01:05:08.820 every single day,

01:05:10.860 twice a day,

01:05:11.820 until you pass the test.

01:05:14.620 And I will just say

01:05:16.280 that after, like,

01:05:17.300 the first couple iterations

01:05:18.400 of that,

01:05:19.480 you know,

01:05:21.320 it...

01:05:22.140 Most of the people,

01:05:24.400 most of the people

01:05:25.320 who were showing up

01:05:26.500 for the remedial swim class

01:05:27.900 in Navy boot camp,

01:05:28.840 let's just say

01:05:29.460 they shared

01:05:30.420 similar characteristics, right?

01:05:32.140 It was mostly black guys.

01:05:34.540 And, you know,

01:05:35.720 I remember...

01:05:36.340 The point is, Jack,

01:05:37.320 it's not racist.

01:05:38.440 It's a cultural thing.

01:05:39.920 And they get to go to the Navy

01:05:41.480 and they get to learn

01:05:42.220 how to swim.

01:05:42.800 It actually might be

01:05:43.420 biological, too.

01:05:44.300 They have lower body fat

01:05:45.220 percentage on average,

01:05:46.080 I think.

01:05:46.260 Yeah, but come on.

01:05:47.140 Jack,

01:05:48.100 tell me the story ends 0.99

01:05:50.020 with the black dudes 0.99

01:05:51.460 learning how to swim

01:05:52.480 even though they didn't

01:05:53.180 grow up in communities' 0.86

01:05:54.420 homes that, like,

01:05:55.360 took them to swim class

01:05:56.180 when they were four.

01:05:57.040 Well, generally.

01:05:57.940 And generally,

01:05:58.940 people would try

01:06:00.060 to help them,

01:06:00.920 you know,

01:06:01.180 or you get washed out, right?

01:06:02.920 And so,

01:06:03.780 I remember,

01:06:05.300 you know,

01:06:06.120 which is,

01:06:07.280 you know,

01:06:07.560 I think it's gonna be funny.

01:06:08.400 It's like,

01:06:08.600 oh, yeah,

01:06:08.940 all right,

01:06:09.620 Jack Posobiec

01:06:10.200 was trying to help

01:06:10.940 like his black shipmates, 0.95

01:06:12.620 you know, 0.99

01:06:12.880 learn how to swim

01:06:13.620 or whatever.

01:06:14.780 Far right extremist

01:06:15.560 Jack Posobiec

01:06:16.420 pictured teaching

01:06:17.760 black men to swim.

01:06:18.760 Yeah. 0.64

01:06:18.960 I mean,

01:06:19.300 I said this line,

01:06:20.300 I was like,

01:06:20.940 I was like,

01:06:21.380 it's,

01:06:21.600 I was like,

01:06:21.920 guys,

01:06:22.220 all right,

01:06:22.440 it's all psychological.

01:06:23.380 It really is all psychological,

01:06:24.360 by the way.

01:06:25.320 And what I would say is,

01:06:26.580 all right,

01:06:26.740 if your body is 75% water,

01:06:28.800 that means you only have to worry

01:06:30.480 about floating 25%.

01:06:32.140 You guys can do 25% of effort.

01:06:34.680 It's not that hard.

01:06:36.320 And it was,

01:06:37.220 it just struck me as so wild that,

01:06:38.760 you know,

01:06:39.700 even after so many days,

01:06:40.940 there were a lot of people

01:06:41.820 that couldn't get it.

01:06:42.740 But I will say,

01:06:43.920 like,

01:06:44.360 I have definitely 100% seen this

01:06:46.800 with my own eyes.

01:06:48.180 It's not something that was,

01:06:49.540 was not known.

01:06:50.520 But unfortunately,

01:06:51.180 we're now being told

01:06:52.740 that we have to lower our standards

01:06:54.200 in order to help with this.

01:06:55.640 And then more importantly,

01:06:56.660 which is even crazier,

01:06:57.640 I was just looking this up

01:06:58.740 in show prep today for this.

01:07:00.720 The U.S. Navy,

01:07:02.780 the United States Naval Institute

01:07:05.160 up in Rhode Island

01:07:06.120 is now calling for the Coast Guard

01:07:08.240 to lower their swim test

01:07:10.220 because they're saying

01:07:11.140 the Coast Guard isn't diverse enough

01:07:13.080 because their swim test

01:07:14.000 is much more involved

01:07:15.380 than the one that I just said.

01:07:16.780 And I said,

01:07:17.140 but wait a minute,

01:07:17.760 shouldn't the Coast Guards

01:07:18.620 be more involved?

01:07:19.560 Their job is literally

01:07:20.540 to save people

01:07:21.840 who are in distress at sea.

01:07:24.280 That's the point of the Coast Guard.

01:07:26.480 So they want to take those people 0.95

01:07:27.900 and then,

01:07:28.780 and I quote tweeted Steve Saylor

01:07:29.980 for saying this,

01:07:30.660 and it's gone quite viral,

01:07:32.140 is to take the people whose job,

01:07:34.620 imagine, right,

01:07:35.700 imagine your,

01:07:36.600 you know,

01:07:37.360 your Salman James O'Keefe,

01:07:38.580 we mentioned him again,

01:07:39.220 you know,

01:07:39.360 he's a guy who enjoys

01:07:41.060 sailboating,

01:07:41.960 imagine something happens,

01:07:43.260 you get caught up

01:07:43.740 in a storm squall,

01:07:44.600 whatever,

01:07:45.380 and you need Coast Guard assistance

01:07:47.220 and then,

01:07:47.840 now imagine you got someone coming

01:07:49.560 that barely even knows

01:07:51.580 how to swim

01:07:52.240 or pass the checkbox 0.93

01:07:53.680 and you're all dead, 0.95

01:07:55.000 including the people 0.97

01:07:55.840 trying to save you,

01:07:56.480 by the way.

01:07:57.660 Well,

01:07:58.160 this is where we need humor

01:07:59.240 to come back

01:08:00.120 because I grew up

01:08:01.160 in an America

01:08:01.760 where black people

01:08:02.800 joked about themselves 0.97

01:08:03.940 not knowing how to swim

01:08:05.540 and it was just kind of like

01:08:07.300 culturally baked into the cake

01:08:09.180 and they all knew

01:08:09.720 it was hilarious.

01:08:10.980 And they say,

01:08:11.460 yeah,

01:08:11.540 and you ladies all know

01:08:12.260 how to dance.

01:08:12.480 On the flip side,

01:08:13.280 I'm spacing on the name,

01:08:14.660 but there was a,

01:08:15.440 there was an NFL player

01:08:16.540 or at least a draftee

01:08:17.800 in the 80s

01:08:18.780 who drowned

01:08:20.180 while trying to save

01:08:20.940 some kids

01:08:21.320 who were drowning.

01:08:22.500 He himself did not

01:08:23.660 know how to swim,

01:08:24.740 but he saw some children

01:08:25.720 drowning and tried

01:08:26.460 to save them

01:08:27.120 and he died

01:08:27.860 and he was like

01:08:28.200 a national hero for this.

01:08:29.300 It was a big deal.

01:08:29.920 I don't remember this story.

01:08:30.720 But wouldn't the solution

01:08:31.440 just be teach him

01:08:32.200 how to swim?

01:08:32.820 Well,

01:08:32.940 that's the thing.

01:08:33.580 But this is a healthy mindset.

01:08:35.040 Anyone can learn

01:08:35.600 how to swim.

01:08:36.040 No, but listen,

01:08:36.060 this is the problem.

01:08:36.620 It's sort of growth mindset

01:08:37.780 versus that's racist mindset.

01:08:40.260 Like the best way

01:08:41.020 you close the gap is

01:08:42.180 just imagine if we had

01:08:43.680 a national thing.

01:08:44.500 Everyone should know

01:08:45.000 how to swim in America.

01:08:45.840 Everybody,

01:08:46.420 okay,

01:08:46.960 in this group,

01:08:48.420 who grew up

01:08:49.140 with their parents

01:08:49.680 taking them to swim class

01:08:51.040 when I was a kid?

01:08:51.560 It was a priority.

01:08:51.940 Yeah,

01:08:52.300 I went to swim lessons

01:08:53.060 when I was like four,

01:08:53.800 and my parents told me.

01:08:54.860 They said,

01:08:55.140 I never want you to be afraid

01:08:56.140 on a boat

01:08:56.660 or near water

01:08:57.460 and I'm not.

01:08:58.280 But in black culture,

01:09:00.120 that is not as,

01:09:01.620 the percentage is lower.

01:09:03.100 I don't know

01:09:03.720 what the percentage is

01:09:04.560 of how many black families,

01:09:05.420 maybe look it up,

01:09:06.060 it's like how many black families. 0.96

01:09:07.660 Of course,

01:09:07.800 it's in the article.

01:09:09.700 It's de-emphasized.

01:09:10.740 Yeah,

01:09:10.940 it's culturally de-emphasized.

01:09:12.080 That's not because of racism though.

01:09:13.540 No,

01:09:13.820 it's culturally de-emphasized.

01:09:14.760 Unfortunately though,

01:09:15.800 unfortunately,

01:09:16.420 and this is mentioned

01:09:16.960 in the article as well, 0.57

01:09:18.080 that black children

01:09:19.900 dying in like motel 0.96

01:09:22.260 or hotel pools

01:09:23.480 because they see the pool

01:09:25.040 and they want to get in

01:09:26.420 and they want to have fun.

01:09:28.000 Unfortunately,

01:09:28.560 it's at a much higher rate

01:09:30.320 than white kids 0.75

01:09:31.900 or Hispanic kids.

01:09:32.880 And of course,

01:09:33.560 you know,

01:09:33.740 here we are on Throckheimer

01:09:34.620 where it's like,

01:09:35.240 oh,

01:09:35.340 it's like,

01:09:35.700 oh,

01:09:35.980 ha ha,

01:09:36.300 we're going to laugh.

01:09:36.840 It's like,

01:09:37.080 no,

01:09:37.240 actually,

01:09:37.620 we're not laughing.

01:09:38.420 We're saying this is obviously

01:09:39.800 of a problem

01:09:41.240 in the United States

01:09:42.340 that we would like to see fixed.

01:09:44.020 Same as the homicide problem,

01:09:45.780 same as the car,

01:09:47.440 you know,

01:09:47.640 the traffic fatality problem.

01:09:49.040 Again,

01:09:49.300 we want to live in a world

01:09:50.560 where these things

01:09:51.160 aren't happening,

01:09:52.340 but we have to actually

01:09:53.680 be able to talk about them

01:09:55.280 first

01:09:55.880 before we can deal with that.

01:09:57.380 I just want to say

01:09:59.660 the name of the player

01:10:00.600 is Joe Delaney

01:10:01.380 is the,

01:10:02.060 so he got a

01:10:03.340 presidential citizen.

01:10:04.540 I mean,

01:10:05.620 let's just be honest,

01:10:06.360 75% of blacks 0.87

01:10:07.640 don't have a dad around

01:10:08.960 and learning to swim

01:10:10.220 is largely the dad's

01:10:11.180 like deal.

01:10:12.120 My mom took me.

01:10:13.320 I'm not sure about that.

01:10:14.680 I do.

01:10:15.520 Right,

01:10:15.940 Jack,

01:10:16.120 do you agree?

01:10:17.320 Yeah,

01:10:17.620 my dad would

01:10:18.860 trap my floaties on

01:10:20.320 and then throw me in,

01:10:21.520 just throw me in

01:10:22.240 the above ground pool

01:10:22.940 at my Nana's house.

01:10:23.580 I was going to say,

01:10:24.020 dads take the kids

01:10:26.180 on the adventure.

01:10:27.340 My experience is

01:10:28.360 it's sort of,

01:10:28.940 it's one of those

01:10:29.460 like parenting things,

01:10:30.580 you know,

01:10:30.780 mom shuttles you

01:10:31.820 to swim class.

01:10:32.680 No,

01:10:32.980 that's different though,

01:10:33.740 but the instructors,

01:10:34.560 at least from my experience,

01:10:35.900 were largely male.

01:10:36.780 It's more hands-on.

01:10:37.840 It's more,

01:10:38.160 I don't know,

01:10:38.400 maybe I'm wrong.

01:10:39.140 Yeah,

01:10:39.420 I had the exact opposite experience.

01:10:41.180 That's the only reason

01:10:41.740 why I'm kind of going like,

01:10:42.820 my mom took me to swim class

01:10:44.120 while my dad was at work

01:10:45.020 or whatever,

01:10:45.420 but I will tell you,

01:10:47.000 I went on more

01:10:48.040 water adventures

01:10:49.180 with my dad

01:10:49.820 where I actually

01:10:50.220 had to put it into practice

01:10:50.980 where I got comfortable

01:10:51.860 in the water,

01:10:52.680 so at lakes

01:10:53.280 and things like that,

01:10:54.500 fishing,

01:10:55.700 so yeah.

01:10:56.280 Oh yeah,

01:10:56.700 this is another reason

01:10:57.700 to be sad.

01:10:58.640 The Boy Scouts

01:10:59.260 are terrible now

01:11:00.020 because swimming's

01:11:00.720 a huge part of the Boy Scouts.

01:11:01.540 don't get Charlie started on it.

01:11:02.580 I'm an Eagle Scout.

01:11:03.740 Same here,

01:11:04.520 and it's really heartbreaking.

01:11:05.660 What's the other one,

01:11:06.660 Charlie?

01:11:07.020 What's the replacement organization?

01:11:09.500 Trail Life,

01:11:09.880 yeah,

01:11:10.060 Trail Life,

01:11:10.400 thank you.

01:11:11.000 I just read their,

01:11:11.880 they just did a partnership

01:11:12.640 with Brave Books actually.

01:11:15.420 Oh, did they?

01:11:16.240 That's good.

01:11:16.940 Yeah, yeah,

01:11:17.320 we just read it the other day,

01:11:18.300 but of course,

01:11:18.840 I can't remember

01:11:19.640 off the top of my head.

01:11:20.260 Yeah, Trail Life.

01:11:20.760 So I want to do

01:11:24.280 a little audible guys here

01:11:25.340 if that's okay,

01:11:26.320 but Jack,

01:11:26.680 I think that'd be

01:11:27.080 a fun last segment

01:11:27.780 because you and I

01:11:28.260 were involved in this.

01:11:29.020 What do you think?

01:11:29.560 Is kind of an audible

01:11:30.300 at the end

01:11:30.900 because it's this week?

01:11:32.120 Just replying

01:11:32.960 to all the MLK incoming

01:11:35.080 that you and I got?

01:11:37.040 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:11:38.500 I think it'd be really great.

01:11:40.100 These people

01:11:40.640 that I actually know

01:11:41.660 that refuse not to text

01:11:42.780 or email or call,

01:11:43.700 but they write

01:11:44.280 these incredibly,

01:11:45.380 dare I say,

01:11:45.880 sanctimonious,

01:11:47.360 snobbish op-eds.

01:11:48.740 And from a totally

01:11:51.120 emotional standpoint,

01:11:52.420 by the way.

01:11:52.700 I just want everyone,

01:11:53.720 this is what's so cool

01:11:54.700 is that I had somebody texted.

01:11:56.000 There was one guy,

01:11:56.240 his name rhymes with

01:11:57.140 Saurabh Amari.

01:11:58.920 Yeah, I even forgot about him.

01:12:00.820 What an awful piece.

01:12:01.580 It was barely legible.

01:12:02.940 I mean, it's like

01:12:03.400 his vocabulary.

01:12:05.380 And I texted him that.

01:12:06.360 I said,

01:12:07.140 what is this?

01:12:09.000 You were on the text,

01:12:09.900 by the way.

01:12:11.320 I was so disappointed

01:12:12.900 in that piece.

01:12:13.140 I'm glad you brought that up

01:12:13.860 and reminded me

01:12:14.340 because there's one piece

01:12:15.260 that I like Saurabh.

01:12:16.380 Wait, wait, wait, Charlie.

01:12:17.080 You haven't explained

01:12:17.520 what they're talking about.

01:12:18.140 We haven't explained

01:12:18.620 what we're talking about.

01:12:18.920 It was intellectually

01:12:19.880 so shallow.

01:12:21.300 Okay, but Saurabh has,

01:12:22.740 we like him on one issue.

01:12:24.580 Well, he was great

01:12:25.220 against David French.

01:12:26.020 Well, he's not great anymore.

01:12:27.420 Well, okay.

01:12:28.220 Hold on.

01:12:28.900 He even admitted

01:12:30.380 in his text message.

01:12:31.200 Wait, wait, wait, guys.

01:12:31.420 Guys, we haven't explained

01:12:32.520 what exactly we're talking about.

01:12:33.600 What are we explaining?

01:12:34.900 What are we explaining?

01:12:35.300 I don't know.

01:12:35.780 People can't understand

01:12:36.460 the conversation

01:12:38.120 if you don't say

01:12:38.760 we're talking about MLK.

01:12:40.440 MLK.

01:12:40.840 I think we said that.

01:12:41.740 The MLK stuff.

01:12:42.460 Well, maybe we didn't.

01:12:43.260 I don't know.

01:12:43.840 So, Charlie took on MLK,

01:12:46.300 but this is what was funny about it.

01:12:47.500 Charlie, you brought it up

01:12:48.160 in a passing comment,

01:12:49.780 Wired somehow got the clip

01:12:51.520 and was like,

01:12:51.960 Charlie's going to...

01:12:52.720 Well, we said it at AmFest, too,

01:12:54.040 at a breakout,

01:12:54.880 and we posted it

01:12:56.160 to our podcast feed,

01:12:56.820 which is fine.

01:12:57.180 I mean, I owned it.

01:12:58.180 Yeah, so then we were like,

01:13:00.120 oh, we really should go hard on it.

01:13:01.320 Honestly, we probably

01:13:02.020 wouldn't have gone so hard on it.

01:13:04.520 Jack, you were extremely supportive,

01:13:06.240 I will say.

01:13:07.800 Not even just during

01:13:09.100 Martin Luther King Day,

01:13:10.180 but before you caught the vision.

01:13:13.580 And Charlie, to your credit,

01:13:15.240 you said, listen,

01:13:15.980 I grew up,

01:13:18.480 you know,

01:13:18.720 sort of like everybody else,

01:13:19.800 thinking MLK could do no wrong.

01:13:21.840 Then we found out more,

01:13:23.300 and we changed our mind,

01:13:24.820 because...

01:13:25.660 And by the way,

01:13:26.140 you didn't major on this

01:13:27.740 on MLK Day.

01:13:29.700 I'm telling you

01:13:30.560 my personal visceral reaction

01:13:32.260 reading some of the FBI accounts

01:13:34.200 of this man.

01:13:36.720 When we say he was

01:13:37.940 a serial adulterer,

01:13:39.920 that does not do justice 0.99

01:13:41.600 to just how disgusting he was, 0.74

01:13:44.320 according to the FBI. 0.96

01:13:45.180 Orgies. 0.91

01:13:45.920 We're talking orgies. 0.99

01:13:47.240 Running train on parishioner women 0.92

01:13:49.280 that, and I think you can say that.

01:13:52.040 Can you say that?

01:13:52.800 That's what Vince Ellison said,

01:13:55.400 so I'm just quoting him.

01:13:56.560 By the way,

01:13:56.860 he was brilliant on the show.

01:13:57.520 And by the way,

01:13:57.900 the media ignored him. 0.97

01:13:59.060 Totally, because he's a black man. 0.99

01:14:00.820 Not a single piece 0.93

01:14:01.660 attacking me

01:14:02.300 mentioned Vince Ellison.

01:14:03.500 No.

01:14:03.740 And Vince called him

01:14:05.500 a false prophet.

01:14:06.520 He said,

01:14:07.220 look at the fruit

01:14:07.780 of his movement.

01:14:08.660 The black community 0.99

01:14:09.340 is worse off. 0.99

01:14:10.660 But I'm telling you,

01:14:11.940 what's the author's name?

01:14:13.000 Gallo?

01:14:13.860 Garo.

01:14:14.400 Garo.

01:14:15.380 He's an MLK scholar.

01:14:16.960 He's a Pulitzer.

01:14:17.780 What a Pulitzer.

01:14:18.340 Yeah.

01:14:18.820 He is documented.

01:14:20.480 He basically says

01:14:21.260 there's no reason

01:14:22.120 to doubt the FBI's

01:14:24.360 telling of events

01:14:25.020 because there was

01:14:25.620 no precedent at the time

01:14:27.080 for these hidden files

01:14:29.220 to be released

01:14:29.800 to the public.

01:14:30.360 So this was

01:14:30.780 pre-church committee.

01:14:33.040 And they're basically,

01:14:34.240 and you could tell

01:14:34.940 they got a dog,

01:14:35.620 they were like

01:14:35.900 a dog with a bone.

01:14:36.840 They saw what 0.99

01:14:37.520 a degenerate he was. 0.91

01:14:38.920 He even distinguishes 0.59

01:14:39.900 it from some of

01:14:40.920 the communist stuff

01:14:41.720 on King,

01:14:42.180 which we went into.

01:14:43.100 A lot of his friends

01:14:43.780 were associated

01:14:44.300 with communists.

01:14:45.100 But he's written stuff

01:14:46.200 where he says

01:14:46.580 there's no reason

01:14:47.380 to believe MLK himself

01:14:48.880 was a communist.

01:14:50.400 Maybe friendly with them,

01:14:51.820 maybe too close to them,

01:14:53.000 that's up to interpretation.

01:14:54.040 Sympathetic, certainly.

01:14:54.700 But not himself a communist.

01:14:56.020 And then he distinguishes that

01:14:57.280 from the adultery stuff

01:14:59.160 where he says,

01:15:00.160 and he also says

01:15:00.840 a lot of the communist stuff

01:15:01.960 on King

01:15:02.420 is second hand,

01:15:03.660 third hand.

01:15:04.260 Someone's like,

01:15:04.660 I knew him

01:15:05.340 and he seemed sympathetic.

01:15:06.600 And then with the adultery stuff,

01:15:08.060 it's all these FBI guys

01:15:09.260 saying,

01:15:09.720 yeah, we bugged his phone,

01:15:10.780 which they did do.

01:15:12.040 And it's just,

01:15:12.620 it's crazy what we're hearing.

01:15:14.220 And then Hoover,

01:15:15.920 who, you know,

01:15:17.720 he has some issues.

01:15:19.360 Historically,

01:15:19.760 we could get into that.

01:15:20.560 But you could tell

01:15:21.600 it was like,

01:15:22.380 it captured his imagination.

01:15:24.160 So he's like,

01:15:24.580 bug that place 0.94

01:15:25.220 and bug that place. 1.00

01:15:26.120 So every hotel he's going to,

01:15:27.860 they're bugging

01:15:28.680 and getting ahead of him

01:15:29.700 in advance.

01:15:30.480 And they are like,

01:15:32.200 whoa,

01:15:32.940 he just has another woman here 0.99

01:15:34.740 and he's got another woman here

01:15:35.880 and he's so flagrant about it.

01:15:37.900 And so,

01:15:39.120 what was the word he used,

01:15:40.520 Gero? 0.88

01:15:40.700 He said body.

01:15:41.520 He had this body sense of humor. 0.89

01:15:42.880 He was like this sick, 0.99

01:15:44.020 maniacal, 0.98

01:15:44.800 joking disposition 0.97

01:15:46.200 toward these women 0.93

01:15:47.180 that he used 0.75

01:15:48.100 and abused

01:15:48.640 and threw out.

01:15:49.480 And he was a pastor.

01:15:51.140 Pastor.

01:15:51.460 That's what's important.

01:15:52.540 There is an allegation

01:15:53.880 in one of,

01:15:55.180 I can't have it in front of me,

01:15:56.220 it was one of the articles

01:15:56.940 I read while researching this,

01:15:58.380 but apparently

01:15:59.200 they got a phone call

01:16:00.860 where Coretta Scott King,

01:16:02.620 his wife,

01:16:03.420 is complaining,

01:16:04.240 you don't spend enough time

01:16:05.480 at home.

01:16:06.020 And he apparently replies

01:16:08.060 by saying,

01:16:08.680 yeah,

01:16:08.820 you should have a guy 0.98

01:16:10.200 on the side too.

01:16:10.920 Go have some affairs.

01:16:12.500 Yeah.

01:16:13.040 And this is the part

01:16:14.800 that is just so crazy to me.

01:16:17.320 How you cannot see this,

01:16:18.720 people.

01:16:20.800 You do not live

01:16:21.860 a private life like this

01:16:23.520 and have it not affect

01:16:25.620 what you believe

01:16:27.160 and your value set

01:16:28.260 and the way

01:16:28.740 that you approach the world.

01:16:30.060 You cannot look at this man

01:16:32.080 the same way

01:16:32.940 once you know this about him.

01:16:34.420 Well, and so also,

01:16:35.660 he has a higher approval rating

01:16:37.080 than Jesus.

01:16:37.820 Yes.

01:16:38.340 And he called himself a reverend.

01:16:39.780 So 96% approval rating. 0.99

01:16:41.400 He's a fraud.

01:16:42.000 Jesus is at 90.

01:16:43.220 And there's so much more here,

01:16:44.740 but I just want to kind of

01:16:45.380 just read some of this here.

01:16:46.900 And one of my favorite,

01:16:47.960 I mean,

01:16:48.160 I just,

01:16:48.500 I chuckle at this.

01:16:49.580 This guy,

01:16:49.940 Armstrong Williams,

01:16:50.680 who I like

01:16:51.160 and he's a friend.

01:16:51.800 He could have called me

01:16:52.460 or emailed me,

01:16:52.920 but he's afraid

01:16:53.560 to call me or email me

01:16:54.900 because he know

01:16:55.280 I wouldn't put up with it.

01:16:55.980 So instead he just writes

01:16:56.560 the article

01:16:56.940 and then hides behind it.

01:16:58.060 Quote,

01:16:58.500 Kirk's assault on Dr. King

01:17:00.160 is as farcical,

01:17:01.180 is that how you say it?

01:17:02.040 Farcical.

01:17:02.760 Yeah.

01:17:02.920 Not a word I use.

01:17:04.020 As would a middle school student's

01:17:05.900 critique of Albert Einstein's theories 0.79

01:17:08.080 as ludicrous 0.70

01:17:09.720 as Pontius Pilate's declaiming 0.96

01:17:12.020 against Jesus's sermon

01:17:13.460 on the mount.

01:17:14.720 Oh,

01:17:15.420 so questioning MLK

01:17:16.800 is challenging the laws of physics

01:17:19.480 and Jesus Christ.

01:17:20.780 What's great is

01:17:21.340 it just,

01:17:21.900 it actually supports

01:17:22.860 what we said,

01:17:23.460 which is he's become

01:17:24.160 a Christ-like figure in America.

01:17:25.980 We pick dangerous fights.

01:17:27.440 It's so funny.

01:17:28.240 It's like people say,

01:17:29.080 oh no,

01:17:29.280 he's not a Christ-like figure.

01:17:30.300 By the way,

01:17:30.820 going after him, 0.89

01:17:31.800 you might as well attack Jesus. 0.67

01:17:33.140 Like, 0.77

01:17:33.320 whoa,

01:17:33.540 whoa,

01:17:33.740 whoa,

01:17:33.920 which is it?

01:17:34.620 And mind you,

01:17:35.300 not a single one of these articles

01:17:36.740 by this other guy

01:17:38.020 I've never heard of,

01:17:38.640 Delano Squires,

01:17:39.800 the blaze attacked me.

01:17:40.840 I don't know why the blaze

01:17:41.600 is attacking me.

01:17:42.300 Would love an explanation for that,

01:17:43.800 why they're writing articles

01:17:45.120 against us.

01:17:46.200 You know,

01:17:46.680 anyway,

01:17:47.100 it really ticks me off.

01:17:48.260 It gets...

01:17:49.140 And so,

01:17:49.420 yeah,

01:17:49.540 he writes this,

01:17:50.040 Martin Luther King

01:17:50.800 versus Charlie Kirk

01:17:51.920 and the irreverent right.

01:17:53.900 And this is my,

01:17:54.420 he says,

01:17:54.900 quote,

01:17:55.380 conservatives claim

01:17:56.280 that the history of slavery

01:17:57.380 in America

01:17:57.940 should not be judged

01:17:59.080 by today's moral standards.

01:18:00.620 This is, 1.00

01:18:00.860 this guy's such a moron. 1.00

01:18:01.940 This is a dumb argument. 1.00

01:18:02.960 This is really dumb. 1.00

01:18:03.640 Yet they blame Dr. King, 0.99

01:18:04.980 quote,

01:18:05.300 for ideas they find objectionable today

01:18:07.220 more than 50 years after he was assassinated.

01:18:09.140 Wait a second.

01:18:09.660 No,

01:18:10.000 running train on congregants

01:18:11.340 was wrong 50 years ago, pal.

01:18:13.040 This is what we point out. 0.98

01:18:13.900 And raping women 1.00

01:18:14.640 was wrong 50 years ago. 1.00

01:18:16.100 Yeah.

01:18:16.440 We point out that

01:18:17.560 at the time,

01:18:18.680 he just,

01:18:18.980 he actually was,

01:18:19.820 he was a very disputed figure

01:18:22.260 and his popularity

01:18:23.180 was going down.

01:18:24.280 He wasn't popular.

01:18:25.540 And then the best argument

01:18:26.520 that I hope people understand,

01:18:27.820 and then,

01:18:28.680 okay,

01:18:28.920 so I dialogue with people

01:18:30.280 I respect who disagree.

01:18:31.300 They say,

01:18:31.520 no,

01:18:31.620 no,

01:18:31.700 the myth of MLK must live on.

01:18:33.260 Oh,

01:18:33.400 okay,

01:18:33.600 so acknowledge it's a myth.

01:18:34.700 That's fine.

01:18:35.140 Is it a helpful myth?

01:18:35.780 Is it the best myth?

01:18:36.340 That's fine.

01:18:36.680 But the people that like defend this bitterly,

01:18:38.480 I just want to make this final point,

01:18:39.900 which is,

01:18:40.560 hold on a second.

01:18:41.820 You do realize

01:18:42.560 as he got the Civil Rights Act passed

01:18:44.420 and the Voting Rights Act passed

01:18:45.540 and the Great Society,

01:18:46.600 he got angrier

01:18:47.600 and demanded more money 0.84

01:18:48.900 from white people.

01:18:49.620 He was,

01:18:50.120 he was like revolutionary

01:18:51.100 by the time.

01:18:52.080 Oh yeah,

01:18:52.440 let me,

01:18:52.780 let me read some of these quotes.

01:18:54.000 I was just texting this.

01:18:55.100 Let me just read some of this

01:18:56.060 because I think it's important.

01:18:57.640 He said,

01:18:58.100 white Americans,

01:18:59.080 this is near the end of his life,

01:19:00.620 must recognize

01:19:01.500 that justice for black people

01:19:03.240 cannot be achieved

01:19:04.600 without radical changes

01:19:06.100 in the structure of our society.

01:19:08.500 That's how a race Marxist talks.

01:19:10.680 That is how Taha Nisi Coates 1.00

01:19:12.380 or Eva McSkendi 0.55

01:19:13.720 or Kimberly Crenshaw talks.

01:19:15.720 Jack,

01:19:16.800 we both tweeted about this.

01:19:18.900 Talk about it.

01:19:20.420 Look,

01:19:21.040 you know,

01:19:22.580 and it's,

01:19:22.880 and we've talked about

01:19:23.700 the personal failings here

01:19:24.600 and this is huge,

01:19:25.700 right?

01:19:26.000 And I know that Matt Walsh

01:19:27.680 wrote a piece about this as well

01:19:29.280 and said,

01:19:29.700 you know,

01:19:29.860 if we're going to talk about,

01:19:30.840 you know,

01:19:31.380 Thomas Jefferson

01:19:31.960 and Washington holding slaves,

01:19:33.460 then we can talk about

01:19:34.100 the personal failings of others.

01:19:35.440 But I think it's different

01:19:37.000 because Thomas Jefferson

01:19:39.060 and George Washington

01:19:40.060 have a legacy

01:19:41.560 which is called

01:19:42.280 the United States of America

01:19:44.120 and our constitutional republic.

01:19:47.440 And,

01:19:47.740 you know,

01:19:47.940 obviously we're trying to fix that

01:19:49.640 and Charlie,

01:19:50.520 you had a fantastic interview

01:19:51.380 with Curtis Yarvin

01:19:52.040 all about that this week.

01:19:53.020 But they have a legacy

01:19:54.440 that you can point to.

01:19:55.740 Whereas,

01:19:56.800 it's really the legacy

01:19:57.960 of Martin Luther King

01:19:59.060 that we're also questioning,

01:20:01.000 okay?

01:20:01.680 Rather than just the personal life,

01:20:03.700 we're also questioning

01:20:04.660 the public life.

01:20:05.500 And we're saying,

01:20:06.140 did it make sense

01:20:07.240 for him to not fully condemn

01:20:09.260 the rioting

01:20:10.260 that was going on

01:20:11.060 during the time?

01:20:11.720 Did it make sense

01:20:12.480 for him to push

01:20:13.580 for these bills

01:20:14.180 that radically changed

01:20:15.760 our government?

01:20:16.800 Interestingly enough,

01:20:17.580 the Libertarian Party

01:20:19.200 came out in,

01:20:20.040 like,

01:20:20.260 full support

01:20:21.080 of everything

01:20:21.680 that we were saying.

01:20:22.980 They talked about

01:20:23.640 the Civil Rights Act.

01:20:24.420 They talked about

01:20:24.780 how the Voting Rights Act

01:20:25.800 is just completely racist

01:20:28.040 in the way it deals

01:20:28.780 with district gang

01:20:30.460 and the way it gerrymanders.

01:20:31.440 It requires districts

01:20:32.480 to be gerrymandered

01:20:33.340 along racial lines.

01:20:35.880 It talked about

01:20:36.620 how the Civil Rights Act

01:20:37.520 essentially enshrined

01:20:38.820 race consciousness

01:20:40.120 in federal policy.

01:20:42.020 And there's many,

01:20:42.800 many more examples of this.

01:20:44.260 And so the question is,

01:20:46.020 you know,

01:20:46.700 are we questioning

01:20:47.700 Martin Luther King's status

01:20:49.080 as an American myth

01:20:50.380 or are we questioning

01:20:51.500 whether or not

01:20:52.360 the legacy

01:20:53.260 of Martin Luther King,

01:20:55.040 which we live under

01:20:56.140 now today,

01:20:57.520 is something

01:20:58.060 that we still want

01:20:58.980 to live under

01:20:59.520 because if we're actually

01:21:00.500 fighting this stuff,

01:21:01.340 we've got to fight it

01:21:01.860 at its root.

01:21:02.640 Frederick Douglass,

01:21:03.660 Ben Carson,

01:21:04.780 Thomas Sowell,

01:21:06.160 and Justice Clarence Thomas

01:21:07.640 are far better

01:21:08.820 black role models

01:21:09.780 to celebrate

01:21:10.500 than Martin Luther King.

01:21:12.140 Period.

01:21:12.680 End of story.

01:21:13.500 But I don't want to get

01:21:14.300 too deep into this.

01:21:14.880 I can listen to the episode.

01:21:16.020 But Blake,

01:21:16.360 you were part of this.

01:21:17.140 What's your reaction

01:21:17.780 on this whole week?

01:21:18.440 This has been interesting.

01:21:19.240 I definitely agree with Jack.

01:21:20.900 The reason,

01:21:21.640 I think you would have a point,

01:21:22.780 like,

01:21:23.000 why are you just going

01:21:23.780 after this long dead martyr

01:21:25.440 if that was kind of

01:21:26.520 the only thing it is?

01:21:27.660 But he is a linchpin.

01:21:29.760 He's a key figure

01:21:30.440 of a narrative

01:21:31.460 that kind of dictates

01:21:33.940 the way America is today

01:21:35.500 in a lot of ways

01:21:36.360 that all conservatives

01:21:38.140 find objectionable.

01:21:39.580 We're always like,

01:21:40.460 why does political correctness

01:21:41.800 rule everything?

01:21:42.620 Why does everything

01:21:44.280 seem race-obsessed?

01:21:45.780 Why is the government

01:21:46.620 kind of trying to socially

01:21:48.160 engineer everything

01:21:49.040 in all these ways?

01:21:49.900 And it all goes back

01:21:51.100 to the 60s.

01:21:51.880 Well,

01:21:52.140 why can't we change

01:21:52.780 any of the laws

01:21:53.320 in the 60s?

01:21:54.080 Because they aren't

01:21:55.140 normal laws.

01:21:56.400 They've become

01:21:56.920 this sort of sacred scripture.

01:21:59.480 They've become

01:21:59.900 the testament

01:22:00.920 of a national martyr

01:22:02.680 and hero

01:22:03.240 that we've made

01:22:03.800 a holiday out of.

01:22:05.140 It's just untouchable.

01:22:06.840 And so,

01:22:07.600 this is especially

01:22:08.660 what I think

01:22:09.100 has to be brought up

01:22:09.760 when we talk

01:22:10.580 to conservatives

01:22:11.140 about this

01:22:11.680 who complain

01:22:12.180 and they're just like,

01:22:12.980 how can you do this?

01:22:13.960 This is not productive.

01:22:15.400 Well,

01:22:15.900 as we said on Monday,

01:22:17.800 if you want to change this,

01:22:19.560 this actually is something

01:22:20.460 that you're going

01:22:20.900 to have to confront

01:22:21.760 because to make

01:22:23.060 the necessary changes,

01:22:23.940 you have to get over

01:22:24.580 the hump of,

01:22:26.040 well,

01:22:26.140 we have these laws

01:22:26.900 from the 60s

01:22:27.800 that make it impossible

01:22:29.180 to do otherwise.

01:22:30.460 And what's funny to me

01:22:31.500 is we actually were able

01:22:32.600 to get over it

01:22:33.360 with the Voting Rights Act

01:22:34.580 a few years ago.

01:22:35.520 Like,

01:22:36.040 in the early 2010s,

01:22:37.660 we were getting serious

01:22:38.780 Republican legal challenges

01:22:40.500 to parts of the Voting Rights Act

01:22:42.060 that made it

01:22:42.840 essentially impossible

01:22:43.780 to do certain forms

01:22:45.080 of election integrity.

01:22:46.560 We just said,

01:22:47.180 hey,

01:22:47.440 this is a massive restriction

01:22:49.500 on states' rights.

01:22:50.960 One of the big ones was

01:22:52.100 the Voting Rights Act

01:22:53.340 had components of it

01:22:54.160 where you just,

01:22:54.880 huge chunks of America,

01:22:56.160 specific counties

01:22:56.820 and entire states,

01:22:58.160 we singled them out

01:22:59.120 and we just said,

01:22:59.720 you're not allowed

01:23:00.140 to make your own election laws

01:23:01.180 unless the Department of Justice

01:23:02.540 clears it.

01:23:03.980 And so,

01:23:04.760 you'd get these things

01:23:05.380 where the Department of Justice

01:23:06.520 would just say,

01:23:07.340 oh,

01:23:07.520 yeah,

01:23:07.680 you can't have

01:23:08.440 nonpartisan elections

01:23:09.520 because,

01:23:10.000 would hurt Democrats.

01:23:11.620 Sorry,

01:23:11.800 you can't do it.

01:23:13.020 And so,

01:23:13.500 they sued and said,

01:23:14.180 okay,

01:23:14.420 at a minimum,

01:23:14.940 it has to be possible

01:23:15.700 to get off this list.

01:23:17.180 And the Supreme Court

01:23:17.780 ruled that way.

01:23:18.440 And that was a challenge

01:23:19.360 to the Voting Rights Act.

01:23:21.140 And then you had to campaign

01:23:22.060 against the Voting Rights Act.

01:23:24.480 And that's kind of

01:23:25.800 the bigger picture of this

01:23:26.800 is if you want to have

01:23:27.780 strength as conservatives,

01:23:29.220 you have to have

01:23:29.900 an internal moral locus

01:23:32.400 of control

01:23:33.100 where you can

01:23:33.800 go against something

01:23:35.160 and they're like,

01:23:35.580 but this is called

01:23:36.280 the,

01:23:36.560 you know,

01:23:36.960 Good Things and Happy Children

01:23:38.240 and Puppies Act.

01:23:39.000 You don't oppose

01:23:39.620 the Good Things and Happy

01:23:40.380 Children and Puppies Act.

01:23:41.580 And we're like,

01:23:42.160 yeah,

01:23:42.380 we do because that law

01:23:43.340 is bad.

01:23:44.500 And that's kind of

01:23:45.060 what you have to learn

01:23:45.560 to be able to do

01:23:46.020 with the Civil Rights Act.

01:23:46.960 You can say

01:23:47.420 civil rights are good.

01:23:48.520 You can say

01:23:48.940 equality is good.

01:23:50.220 Non-discrimination is good.

01:23:51.620 But the Civil Rights Act

01:23:53.180 is a specific law

01:23:54.360 with specific effects.

01:23:56.100 Many of them

01:23:56.800 are harmful.

01:23:58.120 And we kind of

01:23:58.600 have to train

01:23:59.300 conservatives to think

01:24:00.320 that way.

01:24:00.840 And it might be that

01:24:01.520 this is a way

01:24:03.020 we have to do it.

01:24:03.600 I will say

01:24:04.100 outside of

01:24:05.460 8 to 10

01:24:06.980 strongly worded op-eds

01:24:08.160 and 100,

01:24:09.740 200 tweets

01:24:10.440 of the intelligentsia,

01:24:11.880 the rank and file

01:24:12.920 have been overwhelmingly

01:24:14.300 supportive.

01:24:15.300 And that's really,

01:24:16.140 really promising

01:24:16.660 about this week.

01:24:17.580 I'm talking about

01:24:18.500 very few negative emails,

01:24:20.020 in fact,

01:24:20.340 overwhelmingly positive,

01:24:22.320 very few negative

01:24:23.280 text messages.

01:24:23.980 And it kind of

01:24:24.620 goes to show

01:24:25.140 that sometimes

01:24:25.720 the intelligentsia,

01:24:26.920 they're not in touch

01:24:28.160 with what the people

01:24:28.980 actually want.

01:24:29.720 They desire truth.

01:24:30.640 Running out of time,

01:24:31.320 final thoughts,

01:24:31.820 Jack?

01:24:31.980 Look,

01:24:34.060 there are times

01:24:35.060 when you need

01:24:36.660 to push the Overton window.

01:24:38.300 Okay?

01:24:38.580 There are times.

01:24:39.380 And I think this is,

01:24:40.500 I don't think it should

01:24:41.380 be done for fun.

01:24:42.700 I don't think it should

01:24:43.320 be done lightly.

01:24:44.560 I don't think it should

01:24:45.280 be done without purpose.

01:24:46.820 And I think in this

01:24:48.120 situation,

01:24:48.640 we actually have

01:24:50.280 found and struck

01:24:51.900 all three of those.

01:24:52.980 It is not being done

01:24:53.980 lightly.

01:24:54.560 It is being done

01:24:55.160 for purpose.

01:24:55.680 And it's not just

01:24:56.320 being done for fun.

01:24:57.720 In fact,

01:24:58.360 I wouldn't say

01:24:59.040 this was very fun,

01:24:59.940 actually,

01:25:00.280 in terms of all the

01:25:01.000 things that we got

01:25:01.740 into.

01:25:02.520 But it actually

01:25:03.460 does serve this purpose

01:25:04.660 because if we were

01:25:05.340 going to get to,

01:25:07.020 and Blake and I

01:25:07.720 talked about this

01:25:08.440 on our episode

01:25:11.420 that kind of

01:25:11.860 kicked all this off,

01:25:12.960 that we do want

01:25:14.180 to get to this

01:25:15.000 ideal of a

01:25:16.720 colorblind society,

01:25:17.960 but you're never

01:25:18.820 going to do that

01:25:20.040 with the weight

01:25:21.100 of the 60s

01:25:22.020 hung around our necks

01:25:23.020 like an albatross.

01:25:23.700 All right,

01:25:25.660 guys,

01:25:26.000 we are out of time.

01:25:27.000 Keep committing

01:25:27.360 thought crimes.

01:25:28.060 Email us

01:25:28.400 freedom at charliekirk.com

01:25:29.520 thought crime.

01:25:30.240 The whole existence

01:25:31.460 is a big thought crime.

01:25:32.520 These are our

01:25:32.980 thought criminals

01:25:33.620 to the audience.

01:25:35.800 Steve Saylor,

01:25:36.380 shout out to the

01:25:36.920 grandfather.

01:25:37.040 Whether they sit

01:25:37.760 at the front of the bus

01:25:39.000 or the back of the bus,

01:25:40.300 the bus driver

01:25:41.220 should be hired

01:25:41.960 purely on merit.

01:25:43.320 Jack,

01:25:43.700 what did you say?

01:25:45.360 I said,

01:25:45.860 oh,

01:25:46.060 I said shout out

01:25:46.720 to Steve Saylor,

01:25:47.500 the grandfather

01:25:47.980 of thought crime.

01:25:49.080 It's no joke.

01:25:50.880 God bless you guys.

01:25:51.740 See you next week.

01:25:54.220 Thought crime is death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 20, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 29 — DEI or DIE？ DeSantis's Bus Seat？ The Drowning Gap？

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