Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire？ White Rural Rage？ Shoot Squatters？

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:29.180 Jack Posobiec here. Your host, Charlie Kirk, is on his way. I'm here in Washington, D.C., where it was a little bit cold today, but we're going to talk a little bit about some ways that the local residents are using to heat themselves this week on the cold, cold streets of Washington, D.C.

00:00:50.760 But joining me back in studio over in warm and sunny Phoenix, we've got Blake and we've got Tyler. What's up, guys?

00:00:58.380 Howdy, Jack. What's up, Jack?

00:01:01.700 What is the weather like? I honestly know it's like 38 and we had a crazy windstorm all last night throughout the night.

00:01:11.160 So I constantly kept getting woken up in the middle of the night thinking that people were like breaking into the house or that the kids were running around.

00:01:17.940 So let's just say the Second Amendment was well exercised.

00:01:20.940 Well, it is a chilly 72 degrees here. So that's why I'm wearing a jacket. It's freezing, freezing.

00:01:27.700 Literally got a jacket on.

00:01:28.860 We had a couple of clouds yesterday. It was terrible.

00:01:30.840 Yeah. You know, I'm thinking about I'm thinking about this proverb I heard once, Jack, which is if you start a man a fire, he'll be warm for an evening.

00:01:41.060 But if you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

00:01:45.060 And that that, of course, gets into our first topic, as we've been alluding to here.

00:01:51.820 I call him Colonel Crispy. I don't know if others have their own nicknames for this fellow, but it's been a surprisingly long lived story.

00:02:00.640 I saw a lot of predictions when it happened that this was a super pointless gesture because our media cycle is so fast that if you do a stupid kill yourself stunt, everyone will move on within 24 hours.

00:02:13.200 But this this Bushnell guy, he's made it a solid week.

00:02:17.500 Let's let's let's let's give some context before we before we start, you know, getting into the thought crimes of it, because in a sense, this was a thought crime which became a sort of physical crime, actual crime in the real world where so this we are going to play a video.

00:02:35.520 And many people have seen this and heard of the story where a young airman.

00:02:40.820 So active duty Air Force member, a guy who, by the way, was an intelligence analyst, intelligence analyst in the in the United States military working on Fort Meade, which is not far away from Washington, D.C.,

00:02:57.700 decided to protest the war in Gaza, Israel's war in Gaza by going to the Israeli embassy and lighting himself on fire.

00:03:08.780 And so I'll throw a warning out that if you have young people watching right now, you should probably just kind of turn this off for the next probably about the next 10 minutes or so.

00:03:19.080 If you want to skip the topic completely, definitely for the next minute, because we are going to play the video.

00:03:23.760 And as a reminder, and I see folks in the chat saying this, that, yes, it is still Lent and I must I must keep my promise to not be mean to anyone online during Lent.

00:03:33.780 So can't be mean about the story in any way.

00:03:35.940 Blake, I assume we'll be we'll be picking up the slack.

00:03:42.980 OK, so without further ado, let's play cut one one eight.

00:03:53.760 Oh, hey!

00:04:10.140 Oh, create.

00:04:12.140 Oh my oh.

00:04:12.860 Oh my oh!

00:04:15.300 Oh my okay

00:04:16.680 Oh okay.

00:04:18.120 Oh my madam.

00:04:18.980 Oh my my youw

00:04:21.040 Oh.

00:04:22.040 you know i was watching this with some family members the other day and they they did point

00:04:39.420 out it's it's not the best look for the local police to whip out their gun and point it at the

00:04:44.500 guy who's 100 on fire and screaming it didn't seem like the most useful response but it's also

00:04:51.540 pretty unusual to run into someone just setting themselves on fire so i'm not sure what i would

00:04:56.140 you never you do never know because um i'll say this from someone who's run um you know security

00:05:03.040 operations and been in the military that when you're in a situation like that you never know

00:05:07.520 what's going to come next uh you don't know if this guy had a suicide device on him you don't know if

00:05:12.360 he's going to get up and start attacking you you don't know what's going to happen and so if you're

00:05:17.040 a security officer and your job is to protect the security of the consulate or you know just

00:05:22.240 the people who are walking around or the embassy i think it is the embassy um it you know that would

00:05:26.380 certainly be following the training and maybe that actually and by the way at the same time protecting

00:05:31.340 the first responder who's going in to try to help because in washington dc of all places this wouldn't

00:05:36.700 be the first time that there had been a fire and someone tried to attack the person who was putting

00:05:40.240 it out absolutely absolutely and of course the bigger thing here that that's really interesting

00:05:45.840 is just the the meta responses to it uh one of the big ones that happened over the last oh i will

00:05:51.860 throw out that um uh just for anyone who still doesn't know the story um he did end up passing away

00:05:57.660 so he died from not immediately but from um i think i think it was actually just just a totality of

00:06:04.580 injuries later on that evening he didn't wait he didn't die on the spot no he didn't die on the

00:06:11.340 spot they actually got him to the hospital how did they get it how did they put him out i think they

00:06:16.780 had fire extinguishers of then yeah i don't know no no there is a fire maybe we we may have clipped it

00:06:22.400 off um but there is so he there is a fire extinguisher that did we forget if we played or not but yeah

00:06:32.160 there's um okay so we have the longer do you guys want to play clip 119 so this 119 it's without the

00:06:38.260 audio but towards the end of it you can see it has the yeah let's go ahead and play it because at the

00:06:43.380 end of it it has the um what blake is talking about there's this it's hard to tell i think it's

00:06:49.220 someone from embassy security who does have a firearm uh that comes out and then someone else who seems to

00:06:55.800 be an emergency support that has um that has the fire extinguisher that's putting them out so

00:07:00.860 right you've got sort of the gun and the person with the fire extinguisher at the same time well

00:07:05.460 if it makes you feel better tyler if you have third degree burns it stops hurting because you burn

00:07:10.920 away the pain yeah i mean he must have been he must have been in a coma until he died right i don't know

00:07:16.700 i'm not an expert it's unlikely it's unlikely he was conscious he's very unlikely i mean but still the

00:07:24.040 excruciating pain of oh they put him out wow okay so you haven't seen this video all right well

00:07:31.720 that's why i didn't see that i i i was telling you guys at least that are showing up um this area dc

00:07:38.720 um does have a lot of police in it as as a regular basis on a regular basis i remember when i worked in

00:07:44.360 capitol hill if there was ever an incident um there's certain you know problem areas obviously the

00:07:49.680 israeli embassy has been since you know really since october 7th has been a place that has higher

00:07:54.400 security higher police presence just because of the hostilities um and but i remember the you know

00:08:00.600 on capitol hill the police response was incredible it was like like three minutes four minutes you'd

00:08:05.140 have people there wow yeah so obviously we should also say um that uh one piece of information so i

00:08:12.620 remember when i first saw the video on twitter i was like i was wondering how do we have the video

00:08:16.420 because obviously he did not upload the video himself later and turns out that when i dug into

00:08:23.120 it he went and so this guy full-fledged member of antifa uh full-fledged antifa supporter while

00:08:30.140 currently serving in the military um blake i'll have a question for you about that in a minute

00:08:33.900 um but had been participated in numerous antifa events in the past and he was actually an active

00:08:42.380 twitch user and so this video of himself and there's a whole other aspect to this that we have

00:08:48.760 to talk about where he actually did this essentially to go viral because he was live streaming to his

00:08:55.840 twitch account uh when he killed himself and that's how we have the video of it oh no way well we've got

00:09:02.500 i mean people live stream everything now i think we've we're at more than one mass shooting that's

00:09:06.840 been live streamed so multiple we definitely live in the age of one suicide you know going as viral

00:09:13.960 as possible in a very macabre way but man this i mean i can't think of any suicide that's that's

00:09:21.540 gone this big before not not like this well the last the other famous guy to self-immolate got on the

00:09:27.520 cover of a rage against the machine album so maybe this guy will get on the inside of a re-release on

00:09:33.040 vinyl or something he'll get but he may he may end up uh tattooed on someone's face but so but to get

00:09:40.720 into the bigger big picture thought crime elements of it so first of all one of the funniest outcomes

00:09:46.600 of this after it happened is obviously a lot of people on the left really support the cause bushnell

00:09:53.240 was killing himself over and so they wanted to have a positive response so some people said uh rest in

00:09:59.580 power aaron bushnell aaron bushnell was the guy's name i'm not sure if we ever said that and so they

00:10:05.400 say rest in power which is the same thing they've said about uh george floyd um trayvon martin a lot of

00:10:11.760 those kind of blm cause celebs and this caused backlash because several people were saying you can't say

00:10:18.640 rest in power for aaron bushnell because that's actually a phrase you should only use uh for black

00:10:25.820 for black people who are killed now i will note aaron bushnell did become black but they don't

00:10:32.100 seem to be recognizing that transition so for example we have this image some random twitter user

00:10:38.240 uh can we not use this phrase on white men please i get the sentiment but rest in power is historically

00:10:44.780 used to mourn black people who were killed by hate crimes and police and that's been a somewhat

00:10:52.680 common response and so there's a very it feels like something out of a black comedy or something

00:10:58.820 where this guy literally kills himself to get cred with the left and instead they complain about

00:11:06.680 whether you know they're using the right terms and their perpetual you know grievance hierarchy

00:11:12.460 i'm sorry i've tried so hard to not laugh this entire time but it's like it is so out of control

00:11:18.920 ridiculous the what they did to this guy afterwards like the fact that there are questions you know i i

00:11:26.060 didn't make a lenten promise to not laugh at people on the internet so i i'm going to embrace it yes he

00:11:31.840 died but some deaths are funny and there's a lot about this death that is funny and it's grim too

00:11:39.520 i wish he had not made the decisions in his life that led to him making this decision becoming the

00:11:45.840 stay puff marshmallow man yeah but you know he chose to do a dumb thing in in the service of a

00:11:52.680 cause i will note that is repugnant as well he he did this in like to support palestine in the

00:11:59.720 context of hamas just went and murdered a thousand people and is then throwing this butthurt temper

00:12:04.900 tantrum that israel didn't take this very well and is behind them and they're all like oh

00:12:09.800 here's an aspect to ask about this what are we to make of the fact that this was a guy who as far

00:12:19.460 as we know was was not muslim so i don't think there's a religious aspect here that that could

00:12:24.840 come out so i don't know but what do they make of the fact that this guy is a u.s air force member

00:12:29.120 in the united states who's not directly involved in the conflict uh presumably doesn't have any family

00:12:36.060 members who are involved in the conflict yet he's willing to become so radicalized by something that

00:12:40.700 he basically got into online over it when you don't have people who like i don't know live in the

00:12:46.300 region or any of these jihadist organizations that are like literally right there you know either

00:12:53.260 operating throughout the sinai muslim brotherhood and others or like hezbollah that are even getting

00:12:58.240 involved i think the leader of hezbollah came out and said something like oh we're monitoring the

00:13:01.940 situation and you don't have anybody that's doing things like this in the region and you get this

00:13:07.400 guy who says well i'm going to go viral on twitch to uh to show people how hardcore i am well with the

00:13:13.760 i will say with the islamic angle of it where they're closer to it they definitely do a lot of suicide

00:13:18.860 stuff but they can do what's more effective suicide if you will you know you do a suicide bombing you

00:13:26.460 we wear a suicide vest you ride on a paraglider to attack a concert full of hippies and this you

00:13:35.140 know you're less able to do that and i think it also goes against a lot of our moral intuitions it

00:13:40.280 is bad to do something like that whereas we do have a long tradition of of protest and i guess it

00:13:48.100 doesn't immediately get to me what people have different responses to this because my personal moral

00:13:54.620 intuition is that it is not heroic to kill yourself purely to purely as a stunt but clearly like did

00:14:04.920 this work did bb netanyahu come out and say oh my gosh i i watched this terrible video it's it's what

00:14:11.260 was i thinking it's all um you know everybody pulled back we're over now it didn't work with him but i do

00:14:17.460 think there's a sense that there are a decent number of normies or normal-ish people who seem

00:14:23.000 awed by this who seem in some way impressed that this person was so committed to it that it in some

00:14:31.480 sense boosted the cause or you know gave him raised awareness or something like that well i mean here's

00:14:37.820 but here's the reality and like everything i was thinking about there's no way this guy had this idea

00:14:42.660 on his own right i think he might have had this idea you think so so somebody did americans somebody did

00:14:49.940 this in december um there was a girl i just looked this up really before the show yeah there was a

00:14:57.500 girl who and it was reported but it wasn't live streamed and i don't have it in front of me i have

00:15:03.560 something else in front of me but i think it was like the con because i think it was at the consulate

00:15:07.980 in well there's there's a history of people you know you performing self-immolation it's all it's

00:15:12.900 really old and then famously from the vietnam yeah it's the uh can we if you guys want to look

00:15:19.360 it up quick i'll here i'll just bring it up the rage against the machine album and then and then

00:15:23.620 the um the whole arab spring was you know outside of the cia elements was kicked off by a guy who um

00:15:30.520 what was his name uh a guy doing it in tunisia oh the tunisian guy yeah so it's definitely something

00:15:37.080 that by the way which by the way blake you'll you'll appreciate it has also been um has also been

00:15:42.320 denounced ritualistically yeah yeah but so the the rage against the machine album cover the the guy's

00:15:47.700 name was uh thick quong duke i can't pronounce vietnamese but he was a monk who monks do this

00:15:56.900 well yeah but monks do this but they're not supposed to shout and scream in the middle of it

00:16:00.620 yeah well it depends on who's who's doing it i guess yeah he famously completely he was the

00:16:07.000 israeli consulate in atlanta georgia december 1st so december 1st he's really consulate

00:16:12.240 in atlanta but monks monks are are you're not supposed to do you're not supposed to scream

00:16:17.400 so that's what i'm saying so we're so if he got the idea from the girl i'm trying to trace this

00:16:22.420 back jack we have to do some tracing here if he got the if they got the idea from monks monks don't

00:16:28.340 scream so they didn't do it right so he didn't do it right he didn't light himself on fire well

00:16:33.740 it's just it i don't i cannot i don't know there's really rules for all of no there's rules

00:16:37.560 monks will tell you there's rules to self-immolation but i don't think they take they take a vow of

00:16:41.560 silence maybe maybe because this guy i wish this guy had taken a vow of like cringelessness because

00:16:47.820 unfortunately well he didn't do it very well this is going to i wish he had taken one because

00:16:53.220 unfortunately this is going to live on forever it's kind of hard to watch something like that

00:16:57.700 and you you know you just can't unsee it you can't unsee it and so i guess my question no it's

00:17:03.520 what's really interesting is you know blake i i don't know if this has had any effect on people's

00:17:09.360 opinion of the war i i think it's it's gotten some it's gotten people more involved in it and it

00:17:15.440 sparked a conversation but i kind of feel like if you've got a position on this you're not changing

00:17:20.100 it at this point what were his last words what did he say free palestine ala akbar free free

00:17:26.560 palestine welcome charlie welcome to your your studio yes thank you sorry i was stuck in traffic

00:17:31.980 um but it was like free palestine right yeah yeah it was just kind of free palestine maybe his last

00:17:38.400 words were he kind of it is quite painful to set yourself a muslim was that a muslim prayer was that

00:17:45.080 the was that the call it was that the always hard to tell always hard to tell i have seen some

00:17:49.700 speculation that he may not have actually intended to die uh some people have kind of thought he

00:17:55.680 might have been looking around like were people gonna put him out he might not have expected the

00:17:59.580 fire oh wow in which case wait he set up the he set up the fire extinguishers by his phone oh did

00:18:06.940 he i didn't know i'm asking that question is that where they get fire extinguishers or could he

00:18:11.080 maybe he called 911 before he did it or or he just might have not expected the fire to be that

00:18:16.440 live streamed maybe someone yeah he live streamed it so maybe he thought i don't i don't kind of

00:18:20.200 rush in and save i don't think he called it in i think that's just in an area of dc that has a ton

00:18:25.140 of security around it at all the times yeah but what was the what was the sound that was that rolling

00:18:30.660 sound that's that's cleveland park like that's up by no it sounded like a camera going out towards

00:18:36.480 did he knock over the uh the fire extinguisher i don't know i don't know the whole the whole like

00:18:42.200 you know this isn't the zap rooter film here it's not it's not the mechanics of his death that

00:18:47.100 are most interesting to me what's most interesting to me is that he did it that people are again like

00:18:53.820 jack said that people are this radicalized about something that's in a different country that he

00:19:01.060 our military is not directly involved in our country is not super directly involved in and yet

00:19:06.400 he killed himself over it and then the other fascinating thing to me is is the reaction to it and

00:19:11.840 like in the bigger picture it's the way that a lot of people even on even on the right i've noticed

00:19:19.260 there's more sympathy support for the palestinian cause especially on twitter and the like in a way

00:19:26.740 i definitely don't feel i saw in the past no i think that's exactly right um hi everyone i'm here now

00:19:33.900 everyone did such a great job i was watching on my way in um so a couple thoughts it's just it's

00:19:39.340 amazing how this this is how a service member gets talked about more than anything else is they light

00:19:45.400 themselves on fire for a foreign country's conflict than like dying for the american cause i think that's

00:19:51.900 the buried lead here is that like you want to get remembered as a service member okay light yourself

00:19:56.820 on fire in support of like a foreign conflict yeah and i agree blake i think that there's more i think

00:20:03.560 that the i mean i'm very pro-israel and i just i think that the pro-israel position in the conservative

00:20:08.720 movement is weakening do you see that definitely it's weakening uh it's you know you'll see it last

00:20:15.220 at the congressional level i think you still see a bit of that massey has said stuff critical of us

00:20:20.420 just sending tons of money there for example uh and that's where i think you see that going away

00:20:25.900 first is there's much more skepticism of sending as much money as we can to israel there you know

00:20:31.660 we'll say moral support we'll say you know in a geostrategic sense we support them but you know

00:20:37.300 america has an open border america is broke maybe we don't unthinkingly send 20 billion dollars to

00:20:43.220 them every time something seems up uh but you do see it even on the more extreme end especially on

00:20:49.180 twitter you can find a lot of personalities who just are vocally they just favor so they support

00:20:56.660 palestine in this though why do you think that is honestly people might get mad at me for saying

00:21:02.620 this but it is called thought crime i think i think a little bit of this is there's two things i would

00:21:08.320 say one is just genuine anti-semitism i think it's a brain virus that gets inside people it's uh you

00:21:15.500 know waxes and wanes but it's just something that pops up a lot and so that manifests that way and then

00:21:20.960 another thing is it's sort of like it's no secret in america that the left that democrats are sort of

00:21:29.160 the they're they're the regime as we say they are the prestige ideology that is what academia is that

00:21:35.380 is what elites are in class yeah the ruling class and so by comparison the normie they'll it's lower

00:21:41.100 status to be conservative that's just how it is i'm conservative it is lower status to be conservative

00:21:45.380 you don't get as many perks benefits and treated as well it's like solidarity with another group

00:21:50.680 that is the lower status group that they're the palestinians they are poorer they are weaker

00:21:59.920 wait are you saying that like around white rural voters see themselves in the palestinians i don't

00:22:04.840 think it's so much white rural voters yeah exactly because of the msnbc thing yeah are you getting that

00:22:10.600 a maga voter in ohio that feels disenfranchised from their government has like weird solidarity

00:22:17.120 with the palestinian maybe not maga ones but definitely on twitter you can find it okay so

00:22:22.020 like a young 26 year old conservative blogger for i mean i agree there there seems to be a splintering

00:22:28.860 10 years ago there was like unanimous support for israel right tyler and the conservative movement it

00:22:36.220 was it wasn't even a question it's still like 95 you think you think it's still overwhelming yeah

00:22:42.180 it's like 95 but blake you're seeing something different i mean i see it among some influencers

00:22:46.540 yeah well it's like you know jackson hinkle is a guy who went on tucker carlson's show and i

00:22:51.820 believe he's a big palestine supporter uh there's that guy keith woods i think i can tell you some guy

00:22:57.640 in ireland i can tell you why though i mean i think that you know there's going to i still think it's

00:23:03.380 like predominant and that's why we're winning over jewish voters like incredibly at incredible

00:23:07.840 amounts but here's the difference is that you have the same educational problem that we have for all

00:23:16.060 young conservatives that are going through this so they're finding themselves as libertarian

00:23:22.260 conservatives they're anti-war now which is a big deal which is a really big deal when you talk about

00:23:27.200 israel and like every i think there's going to be a a natural place to be like i don't want to send

00:23:31.140 money to israel i don't want to go to war uh but then also you overlay that with like what's like

00:23:36.160 triggering the background is that they've been they've been taught to hit israel because of these

00:23:40.660 leftist you know professors and teachers and so people are going to figure out over time and

00:23:46.720 ultimately i think what's going to end up happening is that that we're going to as people age and they

00:23:51.820 become more conservative and they become more family friendly they also become more friendly to

00:23:55.880 israel because they understand that that's like a not such a bad thing to have friends in the

00:24:01.640 middle east right like like again but most people are we're so far detached from foreign policy i think

00:24:07.000 in modern america where it's it's totally different from the even the 70s 80s and 90s where people had

00:24:13.020 like some leftover foreign policy experiencing following world war ii i think yeah i i think just to

00:24:20.600 you know throw out there i mean there's a couple of things like that are going all around the same time

00:24:24.340 but you know i think one of the biggest things is that we are living through the america first era

00:24:28.960 now and we've spent you know two years on the right uh blake as you say starting with with tucker

00:24:36.380 but also with sort of the trump era going in and saying how does this directly affect americans how does

00:24:42.900 this directly affect americans and it wasn't you know during any of that time focused on israel but now

00:24:48.120 that israel has come around i think you're getting that same sentiment come up so it doesn't mean i don't

00:24:53.580 think it necessarily means that by and large people are becoming more anti-israel i mean obviously this

00:24:58.520 there is a very vocal anti-israel uh segment but i just think in general when it comes from a

00:25:04.380 political sense that you're hearing people and thomas massey i think is reflecting at the most in

00:25:08.020 congress that are just sick of foreign wars for sure that is definitely you see the reduction in

00:25:16.020 people you see the things why does this have to do with america why do we need to spend money there

00:25:19.980 why do we need to care about this i definitely see more of that but you do see on the edge a group

00:25:26.580 that is just overtly pro-palestine no that anti-israel yeah and yeah oh i think andrew said

00:25:35.760 said in our chat here he thinks some of it is a sense they've been hoodwinked hoodwinked and on

00:25:40.780 whatever hoodwinked on israel and i kind of get that that there's a sense that you can support israel but

00:25:48.600 there's a lot of stuff where if you hear enough about it you start to feel like you know it's the

00:25:54.200 classic like google the uss liberty thing like you know people if they've never heard of stuff and

00:25:58.880 sometimes they they get oversold stuff i think there are some evangelicals who think israel is

00:26:03.800 like a christian country or whatever and uh it gets i mean it's not without fault it's not without

00:26:09.340 faults and you know you can learn stuff about it where if you've been fed what's almost this like

00:26:14.720 propaganda level version of it you feel like you've been lied to so and i just i mean i'm biased

00:26:21.280 because i love israel and i visited twice and it changed my life and being able to go to the garden

00:26:25.500 of gethsemane and see the garden tomb in the old city and go to capernaum and hebron i just i mean

00:26:31.860 jack you share my love of israel so i always have to preface this is that i just i love the country i love

00:26:38.640 it in its current form i was treated super well when i went there and i don't know if i'd have the same

00:26:43.380 access to my precious holy sites if it was under arab control yeah now this is a recent thing uh that

00:26:48.500 has been in the news so you know jonathan pollard uh yeah he's the spy he was a spy am i right he's a

00:26:55.340 spy who sold u.s seeker uh who spied on the u.s on behalf of israel and i believe i think he got paid

00:27:05.640 for it and there was some bad elements but we caught him and we imprisoned him for life but then

00:27:10.480 we gave him clemency released him and then we let him move to israel and now jonathan pollard is

00:27:18.200 advocating for the palestinians to be sent to the west and you know there was a large political

00:27:27.060 lobby that just doesn't help it doesn't help things there's i think there's often a sense

00:27:32.660 and like you know those op-eds that were running that we reacted to saying like oh you should take

00:27:37.000 the palestinians because that's the great thing to do i think there's a lot of sense people feel

00:27:41.460 like we're dupes so and i will say on that particular topic that one really fired we went hard at that

00:27:47.360 one really hard for sure and then i had people i really respect that come on our show about israel

00:27:52.480 call me and say oh no that's not what the op-ed says and i'll say please stop yeah right blake i mean

00:27:58.500 in clearest language or they say oh it's not the government saying this like this is the foreign

00:28:03.920 affairs minister saying that the west should take palestinian refugees i think they backpedaled

00:28:09.260 from that pretty quickly though yeah and what i told my friends in israel and my friends that

00:28:13.960 advocate for israel i said if you start losing right-wing evangelicals on israel on the like it's

00:28:19.660 gonna go bad like you can't you get you like you have to draw a line in the sand no palestinian

00:28:24.380 refugees to the west like you this is your base i remember that you know there was another thing

00:28:29.420 where someone in the knesset proposed a bill that i think was gonna restrict or abolish uh christian

00:28:34.720 proselytization in in israel and then netanyahu came out and she says yeah no we're scuttling that

00:28:41.460 guys you're not gonna do that yes and i i want to the the problem israel in america does share a

00:28:47.080 problem which is that there's some sus activity in the intel agencies right is that i i love israel as

00:28:53.680 far as it's a place for the jewish people access to holy sites i do believe that there's a place in

00:28:57.640 god's plan for israel we don't have to debate that but some of the israel intel agencies i don't

00:29:01.860 think we have to be an apologist for you know and that's okay i mean i don't apologize for the cia

00:29:07.000 yeah exactly five eyes that's where people lose their minds they you know they read oh israel did

00:29:12.200 this intel op 30 years ago well bros 30 years ago get over it but it's also just i mean base any

00:29:18.980 modern country has pretty clandestine intel operations yeah i mean that's kind of whether it be the

00:29:24.520 uk germany five eyes australia yeah and on your friends and then i feel the need to take a step

00:29:31.480 back and remind people okay well why did this war happen did israel just bomb gaza no this happened

00:29:37.180 because the situation was more peaceful than ever and things were actually looking up they were having

00:29:42.360 all these guest workers come out of gaza they're making more money you can easily imagine a world

00:29:46.860 where that leads to things getting better for everyone they already had the settlements go away so you

00:29:51.740 know they have reasons to be think israel might be a good actor here and then they just go shoot a ton

00:29:56.940 of people kidnap a ton of people out of nowhere you know one of the least expected massive terrorist

00:30:03.980 attacks that we know of and that is why this happened and i think there is a real element this is some

00:30:11.180 sort of brain virus that works on people it's like how people like pit bulls because they're the most

00:30:17.460 violent dog that attacks people yeah yeah we have we done a pit bull not yet we can talk about it

00:30:22.940 another time great but it's like the palestinians gaza is like the hamas they're like the pit bull

00:30:28.840 of global geopolitical causes i also you know this whole like i have to say two things one is there is

00:30:36.340 this kind of uh emphasis like the jews run the world conspiracy if that was if that was true why is the

00:30:43.520 cause of israel getting slaughtered online and in the media like if that really was legit now and as

00:30:49.360 dennis prager would say i will lean on dennis prager that yes jews do happen to do very very well in

00:30:55.300 certain industries right and then the next question is okay so what what does that then mean but i also

00:31:00.100 think it's just largely sloppy thinking of people that want to try to blame a group for some of their

00:31:06.680 own problems yeah and i just i don't i don't like it yeah and it's like oh man jews jews control the

00:31:11.980 media and control all these things well there aren't that many of them and you know there's a

00:31:15.200 billion muslims in the world why don't you guys get your get your act together and it's also just

00:31:20.940 like there's nuance too and i mean i went i was very clear and i stand by these statements that some

00:31:26.080 people in the jewish community have funded the worst left-wing causes out there and then also the

00:31:30.220 number one republican donor the last 10 years is sheldon adelson who gave like 150 million dollars a year

00:31:34.560 and he was you know as pro-israel as it gets i mean there's some nuance there i do want to uh jack can

00:31:39.260 you walk us through this tattoo is it legit jack i i find this you know so it's it's it's everything

00:31:45.120 else we can see on on the internet but yeah there's there's this guy so just to show um you know and

00:31:53.120 and maybe like if you're if you're watching thought crime and you know you're not uh someone who spends

00:31:58.400 a lot of time on the internet that he has become an absolute cause celeb on online i'll say online

00:32:04.400 where you've got elements of as blake says of some people who are super far to the right uh other

00:32:11.160 people that are in different pockets of the right and then a lot of people on the left that are totally

00:32:17.220 um not only just on board with aaron bushnell but they are turning him into a sort of new george floyd

00:32:24.220 almost to the point where where this guy vasa boy on uh on instagram has apparently gotten aaron

00:32:31.720 bushnell's name tattooed along his jawline uh so there you can see aaron bushnell in you know it's

00:32:41.080 not quite cursive but you know quasi cursive lettering um there you go jawline he has to live

00:32:46.880 with that for the rest of his life i think that's aj mclean from backstreet boys is that not

00:32:51.200 no aj put it on a lot more weight than that

00:32:54.620 i don't know i'm not a backstreet boys listener can't comment tyler's gonna be on his own on that

00:33:02.100 one no i'll show i mean i think it's aj mclean it's clearly i mean that looks like fresh ink to me

00:33:07.480 i i say that as a sing along with backstreet boys songs back in the day oh man we got the guy

00:33:12.580 we're trying to win over moms okay we have to win over mom this is the we're going for the mom

00:33:17.340 when the guy sings in the song am i sexual did you go like yeah along with all the backs i don't

00:33:23.160 know looks like aj mclean to me i just dropped in the chat i yeah it looks very show me the meaning

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00:36:05.960 comment this is hilarious people will be asking this dude if he tattooed his boyfriend's face on

00:36:11.460 his name on his face for the rest of his life all right our next topic our next topic charlie is

00:36:19.740 the veep stakes ah okay trump's gonna win the nomination who's he gonna pick as the vice

00:36:24.880 presidential pick turns out there's been a lot of discussion of this lately the odds

00:36:28.960 are shifting rapidly i'm super curious about that then i'll tell you about my uh conversation with

00:36:33.940 trump oh that's amazing so the betfair favorite right now and this caught me really off guard

00:36:39.520 looking it up just now currently the favorite on betfair which is a british betting site you can bet

00:36:44.440 on this thing in the uk you're blocked if you try to visit in the u.s but they have the favorite right

00:36:48.380 now is christy gnome five to one so still not strong odds but uh second place is vivek and then

00:36:57.260 uh at least stefanik and then the next three this is another strange one um tim or no tim scott

00:37:06.080 nikki haley ben carson and then in seventh place tulsi gabbard hmm so top seven uh i'm not gonna say any

00:37:15.480 like name details but the president has not made up his mind and very much open to a lot of different

00:37:21.540 ideas and uh we had a real robust conversation about it and he wants to win and he's getting

00:37:28.160 i'll tell you right now there are here's what i can tell you he is being actively lobbied by like

00:37:33.240 five or six different camps on this right now i'd be shocked and the name i the name i think that we

00:37:38.700 should really push for to be in the mix as a finalist is jd vance i think jd vance is a finalist

00:37:43.800 right tyler do you think that would make sense yeah jd vance is a top pick um i you know i think

00:37:49.440 at least stefanik would be the first little person ever as vp so she's she's right tall is she i i think

00:37:56.060 she's an lp she's not that little she's not i'm gonna look it up i i'm looking at no i just saw her

00:38:01.260 the other day she's not that little she's not no or what that's okay as a normal height limb length

00:38:08.860 yeah tanya is tanya is five three yeah but she's okay well i mean so you're saying tanya should be

00:38:18.540 vice president jack is that what you're saying yeah but i just think i just don't know if that's

00:38:26.040 going to add much to the ticket i can't believe jack's calling to override the constitution i like

00:38:30.540 jd because he's a very thoughtful communicator of the america first agenda he's from a younger demo

00:38:37.300 he's in his 30s still i i have a plan the perfect plan yes is it the ohio switcheroo the ohio

00:38:43.980 switcheroo yes you get jd in as svp and then you force dewine to put in the vague as senator

00:38:52.300 that's the how do you force him what if dewine just says no gunpoint whatever not at gunpoint

00:38:58.780 no wrong nerf gun nerf gun he means nerf gun yeah i mean so so just you know we asked our audience

00:39:05.360 on youtube over 124 000 people responded and vivek won with 67 of the vote of youtube now mind

00:39:15.480 you that makes sense youtube is a lot of young right right wing bitcoin but you know men kind

00:39:23.200 of like crypto oh my goodness ripple is gonna go to ten dollars like no it's actually still at 50 i think

00:39:27.980 i want i want vivek to have a political job before he gets i love it i think vivek would be great i've

00:39:34.380 liked what he said i think vivek helps with independence i think he helps with a very particular

00:39:38.520 demo which is late 20 early 30 something high iq professional college educated millennial men

00:39:44.540 who listen to rogan listen to long-form podcasting that kind of rfk demo i think that vivek could help

00:39:51.940 with do i do i think rfk do i think vivek helps with single women no do i think he helps with

00:39:57.240 suburban moms probably not um but i do think and i also old people love vivek like they love vivek

00:40:02.500 now the question is do you need vivek on a ticket to get that benefit i think he could be a great

00:40:06.680 surrogate yeah he could be a surrogate yeah uh i guess the ship has sailed here i agree he could

00:40:11.480 have been a cool guy with the rnc some sort of role like that no he'd be a great u.s senator

00:40:16.000 hopefully because the the problem is is you lose jd you got to win the that that happens after the

00:40:21.880 the winning i understand but you you lose jd though like that then vivek can become this

00:40:27.860 solid he'd be awesome because he'd be front face super popular we have no one cool in the u.s senate

00:40:33.460 if we if it isn't a couple people we got holly he's cool i yeah but like even holly like isn't

00:40:38.940 vivek right holly that's true vivek could do things because of the way that he's run his campaign thus

00:40:45.400 far where it's like he can literally be the front face of opposition for everything that the democrats

00:40:53.000 do and get away with it do you think jack that this vp selection will be the more important i want

00:40:59.800 to say the most but one of the more important vp selections of our lifetime so yes and no um

00:41:08.400 i think that it's it's important because but for not the reasons that we're talking about

00:41:14.100 so i think it's important because trump is termed limited to one term um now as far as we know he

00:41:21.440 doesn't at least as of now intend to declare himself president for life the way that uh msnbc

00:41:27.960 is telling us uh then again of course msnbc has has many things to say lately so we'll see but no

00:41:34.020 if you just look at it on on paper whoever gets the vp nod from trump on this one while he's the odds

00:41:40.240 on favor to become president is really launched into contention for being a potential two-term

00:41:45.940 president so you could take a guy like jd vance who hasn't even been in office now for two years

00:41:52.500 the same way barack obama was only in office also from the midwest by the way um well i'm not gonna

00:41:57.440 say barack obama's from the midwest but a midwest state uh where he was senator that um he you know

00:42:03.820 had only been a senator for two years and then springboarded into the presidency this is a huge

00:42:07.600 springboard for somebody going forward and really someone who's going to be that kind of that

00:42:12.420 working you know that that working horse putting the plow to the wheel every single day for the party

00:42:18.580 going forward that especially a young guy like jd that'd be incredible but then as far as the actual

00:42:24.740 electoral benefits of it i just i'm not seeing it um i i you know people have said um there's a lot of

00:42:31.420 buzz around tulsi gabbard saying oh put put on a you know she's female she's non-white i have the

00:42:37.260 democrats i gotta draw the line and then tulsi gabbard i just don't buy it i'm sorry that is a bad

00:42:41.800 idea to have a liberal who used to run the dnc as the vice president of the united states

00:42:46.700 to finish sorry it's i don't think any of these ideas are going to pick up votes i don't think

00:42:54.340 there's any any of the names are going to change anyone's opinion of donald trump at this point

00:43:00.120 it's baked in people know what it is they know who they're voting for um pete no one is going to

00:43:05.640 change their votes based on who donald trump picks as vice president this is this is why i did

00:43:10.680 i like this is why i liked tucker carlson last fall i would talk about this i don't think it can work

00:43:16.020 anymore i still i like certain elements of it i'm worried he's increased potential downside with

00:43:23.920 you know the russia stuff that we've talked about not so much the interview they were going to complain

00:43:28.140 about stuff like that anyway but you know him going into the subway system and talking about how great

00:43:33.100 it is that that can get you open to attacks that are just annoying to deal with the reason i liked

00:43:38.200 tucker was it wasn't so much that you flip people's votes it's that you create a vibe a narrative around

00:43:45.360 the campaign it would make it oh you have trump and you have tucker they're both transgressive they

00:43:50.460 both drive people you don't like absolutely insane they both are really you know they're credibly

00:43:56.180 promising to do big changes and people can kind of trust them to execute on that and you give a whole

00:44:02.060 energy to the campaign and that can drive your rallies that drives the news coverage and it

00:44:06.780 increases your turnout and it sort of subtly affects how people view the whole campaign and that i can

00:44:13.040 see having a positive outcome but all this stuff that's just you know you're going down a checklist

00:44:18.880 and like okay well this candidate is not white but this candidate is a woman this candidate's both

00:44:25.040 but they're not really from you know a swing state it's like a committee you're just grabbing

00:44:30.800 biographical facts about them and trying to get the ideal veep i don't think you get many votes that

00:44:36.060 way and i dislike that that's what a lot of the candidates feel like to me like like at least

00:44:41.080 stefanic at least stefanic they like her because she's a woman i think and has said nice things about

00:44:47.460 a couple things at least is young she's a mother she's in leadership of the house conference so that

00:44:52.440 goes some way she has a legit scalp that has moved donors to really like her when she went after the

00:44:58.980 ivy league schools and she has leaned in and capitalized on that i was just in palm beach

00:45:04.120 and to elisa's credit she's a smart cookie tyler she gave a speech in front of donors and activists

00:45:10.480 she mentioned turning point three or four times wow we had one staffer there she you know she's a

00:45:15.180 smart she gets it she knows what she's she was like i can't say you know she we had josh there

00:45:19.040 and she was she was all we didn't ask her to i this makes me uncomfortable elisa stefanic was not a

00:45:25.480 conservative member of the house and then she latched really hard onto trump she is an ambitious

00:45:31.120 woman she wants to rise as high as she can there's nothing wrong with ambition there is a lot that's

00:45:35.880 wrong with ambition the bible does have much to say condemning pride and ambition is a type of pride

00:45:40.940 that depends you could be ambitious for good purposes but yes yes but what i would say stefan

00:45:46.620 this is just a read of mine stefanic doesn't give me a 100 trustworthy vibe unfortunately king david was

00:45:53.500 ambitious he started and king david sent off a woman's husband to get murdered not a great moment

00:46:00.240 she's never been hungry about coming to turning point events no that's true i'm just what i'm

00:46:04.700 saying is which is which is my ruling that's my ruler it's a data point and i've known elisa for a

00:46:09.880 while is i'm just saying that that particular venue she knew what she was doing by mentioning

00:46:14.900 turning point a couple times right and i was just saying i was in palm beach last week met with trump

00:46:19.720 the amount of people that were talking about elisa and donor circles was like a fever pitch

00:46:25.380 it was like the elisa phonic fan club and i was like you know great fine i i don't actually i don't

00:46:32.200 share that like anti-elisa sentiment but i'm open to it i will say on foreign policy we're on different

00:46:37.680 planets yeah she has relative relative to other veep picks i think it is important that a major

00:46:45.260 consideration here be the person trump picks will be has frankly a measurable chance of becoming

00:46:52.420 president trump is old he could die or be incapacitated or go to prison just also he only

00:46:58.660 has one term so whoever his veep is is very much an automatic favorite to be the next nominee should

00:47:04.540 he win can i add something into this because we brought him up a few different times but truly

00:47:09.860 every poll from 2015 to today the most popular likable republican that exists in america is ben

00:47:18.460 carson i i'm a big ben carson believer i know there's a lot of naysayers not for any people say oh

00:47:24.040 chart you know we get these emails dei it's not about any of that he's qualified no no he's i don't

00:47:27.980 even care about that i i don't even care about qualifications skin color anything he's likable

00:47:32.500 yes he's like ben carson if the only thing that mattered was get you know to the end of november and

00:47:40.680 you are the president-elect i would love ben carson as a pick because all the reasons you say i think he

00:47:46.660 is likable i think he's ethical he's likable he's ethical he will there's like zero downside to him

00:47:53.200 uh gives you know kind of more of a stable aura to things it's sort of you know mike pence without all

00:48:00.100 the things that have discredited mike pence but i guess i have to imagine if ben carson is president

00:48:06.880 would he be able to execute on the agenda we want a u.s president to execute and he just i think he's

00:48:12.920 a good guy i think he'd be great if he were a president in one of those countries where the

00:48:16.160 president is a much more of a ceremonial low activity leader but i guess this is gonna sound

00:48:23.400 weird ben carson seems lower energy to me it's hard for me to imagine him just like ruthlessly making

00:48:28.500 sure that a mega agenda is carried this is the number one thing that people say is that he's

00:48:33.240 low energy that he's he's not sleepy he's sleepy he's timid he's he's uh but i actually think that

00:48:41.940 that's the balance you need in a trump run because again we have to we have to get across the finish

00:48:48.320 line here and ben carson next to really anyone the democrats could potentially put up for vp

00:48:56.140 is going to make the republican party look good no matter no matter what i can't think of a single

00:49:01.640 person that that would be able to hurt us with a ben carson and again this is just like you then

00:49:09.560 you can utilize ben carson surrogate wise as a legitimate him him not being vp can you imagine

00:49:15.620 him debating kamala harris okay but let's let's go to one number that i think is important donald trump

00:49:21.400 he won the presidency in 16 won 81 of evangelical voters in 2020 it was 77 percent do you think ben

00:49:28.000 carson could get us back to 81 or above yes or no i i don't see him as super important in that

00:49:34.760 you know the grassroots i say yes jack you know i know that you have some reservations of ben carson

00:49:39.680 but do you hear me out evangelical winning over evangelical voters in wisconsin georgia

00:49:43.680 do you think we would get above project 81 above 81 right with evangelical voters because we had a

00:49:51.540 four-point dip in 2020 um well well so here's here's one of the issues maybe but here's one of the other

00:49:59.200 issues there that could that could really come back around is does ben carson make abortion and and now

00:50:08.380 lately ivf uh more central to the campaign while president trump has has as we've saw from last

00:50:15.220 week you know i think during our show he had a uh not a tweet but a truth up about ivf uh at a time

00:50:21.840 where he's trying to not make those central i think ben carson would would have the same effect of

00:50:27.320 turning out the left by making those issues central which the democrats want okay fair enough i do think

00:50:33.420 though that he can neutralize some of the and it's kind of bubbling up if you were a left-wing

00:50:40.000 op you would want all of a sudden the right to be talking about covet again like some of the kind of

00:50:43.420 covet skepticism that people have towards trump ben carson was great on those sort of issues do we have

00:50:49.640 to worry that they'll you know did we did we speak about i was looking at did we speak about the the

00:50:55.220 pyramids thing i think it's hilarious i think it's funny but do we worry he could get like they'll just

00:50:59.840 try to smear him as a nationalist well not even christian national let's try to say he's dumb

00:51:03.160 because what he said about the pyramid definitely they were built to store grain they they just were

00:51:07.780 not built to do that hold on though they do give you a free granary in the civilization game is it

00:51:12.060 true that there were no hieroglyphics found in any of the pyramids i feel like i heard that somewhere

00:51:15.860 hold on he said he said that the pure and i don't hold to this view he said they were built by

00:51:19.700 joseph to store grain so did i say david sorry yeah just just just be clear and i mean look ben

00:51:25.680 carson is objectively a genius you could be a genius and believe in a couple things that might

00:51:30.300 be unsubstantiated i mean you don't separate conjoined twins and then you call him like oh

00:51:36.740 he's a moron can i also say something literal brain about ben carson ben carson is the only one out of

00:51:43.260 this group that we can confidently say will will not likely run for president in 2028 so that's the

00:51:50.780 question is do we want jack i'll throw this to you yeah we want an heir apparent or do we want

00:51:56.000 kind of a bridge placeholder do we want someone that is going to try to be a george hw bush or do

00:52:02.200 we want someone that's like i'm serving one term as vp this is great so yeah this has been my vote

00:52:08.460 from the start all going all the back to 2022 on this question it's something that's a name that

00:52:14.580 nobody has mentioned yet and and it's more of a credibility kind of thing where trump is really

00:52:20.560 making this and abc actually had this as a headline at one point that trump's value proposition for it

00:52:24.700 going into 2024 is uh i will be your weapon against the federal government and uh you know of course

00:52:32.040 every time i post that it gets you know a ton of retweets people love it and i've actually said you

00:52:37.580 know why don't you get a guy who wants to go after the federal government in a way that we've never

00:52:42.840 seen before and isn't concerned at all with running for president again and pick a guy who can actually

00:52:50.220 go to work during the administration not just someone who can you know sort of be a placeholder

00:52:55.720 or someone who fits the you know the checklist like blake was talking about or someone who uh is

00:53:01.820 just trying to just trying to spend all this time being the heir apparent i say pick somebody like a

00:53:06.500 rand paul i say rand paul is sitting right there there's no one with more credibility against foreign

00:53:11.520 wars there's no one with more credibility against uh the federal government uh you turn them loose

00:53:16.400 on the nih turn loose on the intel community you turn them loose on uh the the 702 and the

00:53:22.860 warrantless wiretapping the system uh there there's your guy right there and imagine what kind of

00:53:28.120 administration you would have with that sort of energy being involved yeah and i think that in a

00:53:33.200 multi-candidate race i think we have to be careful not to try to make the vp the 2028 era parent

00:53:40.780 right tyler i think that regardless what happens we need a very robust 2028 primary that doesn't

00:53:48.080 have like the incumbency of the vp like that's way too consequential so from trump's calculus but

00:53:54.140 you'll have that either way yeah but not if you have like kind of the i don't think ben carson

00:54:00.740 is gonna maybe i'm wrong okay yeah right ben probably not right but if you have jd vance jd vance

00:54:06.820 would definitely look at that as like i am the heir to the maga throne right um whether that whether

00:54:12.880 that's trump's intent or not right and so these are all things that trump has to consider so tyler

00:54:19.920 what who would be the worst pick not the worst person they speak at our events i'm talking about

00:54:27.600 who could potentially do the most damage because we saw with mccain palin in 2008 that if you don't

00:54:34.720 pick person and i like sarah palin a lot it just wasn't a good pick you know i think the worst pick

00:54:39.220 he could make is joe biden that would be a bad choice i don't think you should pick joe biden to

00:54:46.100 be his view out of the ones being considered that are on like the longer short list you know obviously

00:54:52.040 the conversation is is like don't pick nikki haley right so like nikki haley would ultimately result

00:54:58.440 in this becoming a massive problem for the party in 2028 especially if she's if she's smart which

00:55:04.120 she hasn't proven she is to act maga for four years which she probably couldn't contain herself

00:55:10.740 to do uh but outside of that i think that's part of the reason why a lot of people have issues with

00:55:15.960 at least stefanik is they just don't trust her anyone in leadership you inherently yeah all of

00:55:21.220 those people are there so it's like you want kind of a new face which is the part of the reason why i

00:55:25.680 think colt tulsi is being considered part of the reason i mean and i'll remind people too christy

00:55:30.040 know him was one of the worst voters in congress as a republican yeah she was her score and i'll

00:55:35.060 just say this from my my point this is i'm not gonna say this for charlie or speaking on behalf

00:55:39.080 of the organization and i get along with christy i've known her for a while yeah yeah she's been

00:55:41.480 she was she's been a really good governor uh i don't know if i put her in the great category but

00:55:46.660 good trans thing was no good yeah a good governor she was one of the worst congressmen that we had

00:55:52.140 and even on covid which is the main reason she rose so quickly it's just that the south

00:55:58.100 dakota legislature didn't pass anything well it's also that the state is socially distanced by default

00:56:02.220 yeah yeah exactly you know i left and half the population was gone the only one was left who

00:56:06.160 takes 45 minutes to find your neighbor yeah on jd vance i like vance you like vance we all of us

00:56:13.500 here love vance and he's great to us sounds like trump is is vance a great politician because

00:56:21.640 all i'll say is he's a great person i'm sure he is i don't know i and you know i have friends of

00:56:27.740 mine who worked with him they all have to say positive things great but he ran in ohio and he

00:56:33.760 didn't like crush the ohio primary it was a pretty tough primary i can't remember who he was that guy

00:56:38.940 he was running against but it was a tough primary he needed you know some help with trump to to get over

00:56:45.100 the hump and so do we think that he will add a lot to the ticket veep wise i think that j i mean

00:56:51.940 look every single one of these people adds something i think jd is far smoother with the

00:56:57.400 media than we give him credit for jd is a true believer he is the closest that he that if there

00:57:02.740 was someone like who's who's more in the mold of what turning point believes jd is as close as we get

00:57:08.100 in like american government i mean seriously yeah um he he showed us some real bona fides in munich

00:57:15.720 germany at that conference while being contrarian and being very agreeable in the way he did it

00:57:22.760 right he also he's incredibly polished he has a high iq he went to yale which you know we don't

00:57:28.720 necessarily like but he he but i'm saying though that he has a law degree from yale served in the

00:57:34.080 military checks a lot of those boxes serves in the heartland but i will go back to the age

00:57:38.820 you have cammy joe biden trump and you have just a younger face i do think that if there was

00:57:45.900 a pick i would think less in terms of oh black voter or female and more in terms of younger and older

00:57:52.720 contrast that's actually i think that actually strikes more of a age is good what i like is like

00:57:59.520 i said with tucker narrative who is strengthening the themes that make a person want to vote jd a lot

00:58:07.460 the media does that they do and i can just see and you know you can see it pushing their buttons

00:58:12.540 where they'll just like they won't be able to help themselves and they'll come out and they'll say

00:58:15.320 two white men on a ticket what is this a year where america was still a great country

00:58:21.780 well and don't forget that jd vans also is somebody who has a ton of name id because of the book

00:58:31.420 because of the netflix movie and the fact that i believe uh which i know we're going to be talking

00:58:38.340 about in a minute he represents the white role rage well and think about this too and here's the

00:58:44.060 other point that's really important so like let's look let's look at the legit so charlie asked the

00:58:47.720 question who's okay basically right in my book who's okay is ben carson jd vance byron donalds

00:58:57.100 and throw vivek in there but i don't think vivek has a real shot so but let's throw vivek in there

00:59:03.320 my here's the reason why i agree with a lot of people that the slow thing to not not pugnacious

00:59:09.880 enough thing on the front with ben carson just slightly under that so if you got to break it down

00:59:15.380 i think byron is a better pick than tim scott because tim scott gives you what charlie said

00:59:20.500 is like you've got chamber of commerce influence at least a phonic ish tight mold right so you have

00:59:25.820 elise you have tim you have you know really bad former congresswoman christy noem decent governor

00:59:31.760 christy noem that really doesn't add anything to you but so it comes down to me it's like okay

00:59:35.900 jd and byron both similar ages uh that's right young they're about byron about my age they're a

00:59:43.480 little older i think the thing with byron is you would need let let tyler well let me just say

00:59:48.560 this on byron so then the question then becomes which which is less tricky out of the two which

00:59:54.540 like what what gives you more i like just from a marketing standpoint trump vance says a lot like

01:00:00.300 trump pence it's real easy but here's more important or the donalds the you have the diamond

01:00:04.980 charlie said you have the donalds so you have trump you have trump vance like replacing trump pence

01:00:09.520 and then you have the donalds so donald trump and byron donalds no you know you do with that by

01:00:14.180 the way you do you do you do jack i was just gonna say here's the here's the difference because i'm

01:00:17.960 taking forever to get to this jd speaks midwest we have to win wisconsin amen we have to win

01:00:25.420 michigan he's right over the border he's the only he makes the most sense that is why i do bring up

01:00:31.900 the politician question is because vance did win i i agree he is totally turning point i agree

01:00:37.200 rather convincingly won by eight points he won well he won by eight points i guess a good

01:00:41.860 candidate in the context good candidate he came out of nowhere it was an open seat with a retiring

01:00:46.800 republican in a year where we didn't get the red wave but hold on tim ryan's a good candidate though

01:00:52.120 he had a lot of money he's the rust belt name i'd be that wasn't a two or three point race i think

01:00:56.140 it might be six or eight points well i guess what i mean is he underperformed trump but still i mean

01:01:00.800 so let me check what how ohio did jd was hated by like 11 and 20 that's what

01:01:07.160 i mean so trump won ohio of course also by eight in 2020 can i can i 2022 was more in our favor

01:01:13.300 overall because you know we won the house and yet so if vance won by eight he underperformed trump

01:01:18.620 in ohio against a very good candidate who was an incumbent congressman who had a district to run

01:01:23.200 and he raised a lot of money a massive he was like the most popular democrat ryan was like he was running

01:01:28.340 for senate ryan ran well for sure i guess i'm just saying if we're looking at this as he has special

01:01:33.840 political appeal i'm not sure that vance has proven he's really dominant to but as a contrast

01:01:40.940 is that what you want we've mentioned right ron ron johnson several times what ron johnson has done

01:01:46.080 in wisconsin is a lot more impressive than what vance did in ohio ron johnson is not in the running

01:01:51.880 for a couple reasons number one they don't think the way we do about wisconsin number two you lose a

01:01:56.260 senate seat like you just you lose a senate seat and we learned the lesson from alabama

01:02:01.300 with that you don't do that like that's a bad idea don't make your vp or a cabinet secretary where

01:02:07.640 you lose a senate seat i love the johnson idea i would be open to it i just think jd is a better

01:02:13.340 pick because again you ron can help you i think you i think you you make ron the ultimate surrogate

01:02:21.060 in wisconsin and you just you have to make him chairman of the trump campaign for wisconsin total

01:02:26.100 you have to make him chairman of the trump campaign for you know co-chair or just yeah i mean

01:02:29.940 literally ron johnson's that important so the but so byron donald's you had a concern is it that

01:02:35.120 they're both in the same state blake so they're both from florida so i mentioned that to president

01:02:38.820 trump i was like you know he's gonna have to get a condo in houston he's like that's a good point

01:02:42.900 and so how would that work with his congressional seat would he have to give up his congressional

01:02:46.340 seat because you have to be a resident of the state you of you represent you don't have to be in

01:02:51.240 the district you have to be in the state yes so then if you were to get a condo would have to move

01:02:55.480 or you'd have to resign and trump will not move that's exactly what i mean it's just it's not in

01:02:59.400 trump's character too even though he has all these properties yeah so so then byron would move to

01:03:04.760 houston or or like to georgia and lose his congressional seat he would have to i believe

01:03:09.220 he would have to resign further shrinking our house minority majority and him losing a very popular

01:03:13.980 collier county deep red seat i think trump would just take residency in new jersey no i don't at all

01:03:19.180 i suppose i think trump is he's enjoying paying zero percent tax and like he's got all of his

01:03:23.540 businesses in florida i don't think that's going to happen at all oh with the oh the truth the

01:03:28.320 truth money the truth deal he wants to pay 11 he wants to pay 11 new jersey income tax with the

01:03:34.320 social the truth money keeps him in florida truth is about the d-spac and is supposed to like the is

01:03:40.060 gonna go he's gonna like make four billion dollars he wants to have zero percent income tax now maybe

01:03:44.780 trump goes to vegas for his trump hotel there it takes up residency in nevada i will admit this annoys me

01:03:50.960 this annoys me a little bit zero percent income tax it annoys me a little bit that trump the trump

01:03:56.600 hotel trump could easily move he could still sit in mar-a-lago as much as he wants it would be easy

01:04:03.520 for him to do it given the range and the fact that he's not representing anywhere but it's just not in

01:04:08.180 his character to do that pain in the butt thing trump will not move florida at florida he just won't

01:04:12.980 move out of florida so therefore he didn't live in florida when he ran last time byron would have to

01:04:18.740 forsake his house seat which would then further shrink our house majority it's a bad idea yeah i

01:04:24.000 don't love that specifically he would have to give it up i believe while running because he'd have to

01:04:29.800 i don't think we touched on this so that's well that's an interesting question like ron johnson at

01:04:33.580 least he doesn't have to quit wait for the chat just so everybody is no no i think it's while he's

01:04:37.940 running but you can't be president and vice president coming from the same state yes that means that he has

01:04:43.080 to get all this sorted out before the electoral college i'm saying ron johnson wouldn't ron johnson

01:04:47.160 would have to like buy a condo in texas exactly and so everyone knows it's the 12th amendment

01:04:54.680 right to the constitution if i'm not mistaken yeah but i mean but they're not worried about that because

01:04:59.580 they can replace byron with anybody because of desantis yeah but well first of all it's not an

01:05:05.540 appointment right it's a special election usually uh it's a governor appoints senate seats oh i guess

01:05:10.360 it would be because it would be 12th amendment yes well it might be too close to the election so it

01:05:14.000 would be oh no i guess they would have to do a special election that's yeah they have to do

01:05:18.440 but it would be a mess it would create a mess and by the way our house majority is like yeah well so

01:05:22.280 the funny thing is by the way so the exact specifics are it's not that you can't have a president and

01:05:28.720 vice president from the same state it's that electors cannot cast their president and vice president

01:05:34.640 florida electoral votes would be exactly so in theory that's really a bad idea in a landslide but

01:05:40.080 let's like not even get near this like we finally turned florida into a deep red state and we're

01:05:46.920 finding a way to like royally put this into jeopardy that's a bad idea now i guess what you could do is

01:05:53.240 in theory you could really stretch the limits of this you could run if you get the landslide it

01:05:57.960 doesn't matter and then if it is close enough after the election but before the electoral college

01:06:03.900 meets you quickly have byron donald no they would sue and they would say that the electors were

01:06:10.620 actually elected under the pretenses that they were in the same state oh wow right and we're getting

01:06:16.240 in layers like lord's tribe would file that lawsuit oh yeah we don't we don't want to mess around let's

01:06:20.380 not give them any any rope here are you saying that they wouldn't no they wouldn't certify they would

01:06:26.000 not certify the democrats would not live up to the rules they play for us ever so in closing here

01:06:31.080 we've gotten almost nowhere on the veep stakes so jack all that being said who do you like

01:06:35.120 rand paul okay that's not gonna happen who who do you say so rand paul it's not gonna happen i i think

01:06:42.720 it's interesting but that's he's not in the rank by the way trump and rand paul are like kind of like

01:06:47.200 arguing right now okay let's let's pick each let's pick one of the top seven we'll repeat the top

01:06:54.400 seven and we'll each pick one from that how about so the top seven that we have are uh gnome

01:07:02.440 donald's gabbard tim scott vivek desantis uh is that so did i miss one there so if i were to say my

01:07:10.800 who i think trump just kind of based on everything i think that elise byron and tim scott and jd seem to

01:07:18.640 have the most chatter in trump world okay tim scott would be such a mistake so tell us why

01:07:25.320 look i we call him all the time the chamber of consultants tim scott you saw how much gravitas

01:07:33.200 he had in the in the run for president nobody likes him he basically is just like i look at tim scott i

01:07:40.320 just see him just as like a smiling guy just like standing by but he is literally a puppet of the chamber

01:07:46.700 of commerce he is so tight like that well we don't like that because the u.s chamber of commerce is

01:07:51.300 going to have this is the if you want to set up like an h.w bush situation again and by no means do

01:07:57.520 i think tim scott is nearly the political animal that h.w bush was that's part of the reason close

01:08:02.180 that's part of the reason why you wouldn't assume control of the cia but it's more it's yeah right

01:08:07.240 he just would the former chair of the rnc turn you know cia head so i mean he's not that guy but he is

01:08:14.340 a puppet for the types of people who are like h.w bush and that's bad enough and so you just got

01:08:19.780 to say no to that and and and personally that's why i kind of have questions about christy noem that

01:08:26.120 personally that's why i have questions about at least devonick personally that's why i have

01:08:29.220 questions about some many of these other picks so when it comes down to it that's why byron is

01:08:33.520 probably a little bit arm's length from all that stuff jd for sure is he's his own man we've known

01:08:39.440 him he's he's his own guy and uh and yeah that's where we're at i just feel for the reasons people

01:08:44.840 want to pick tim scott you should just pick either donalds or carson instead okay you mean for we want

01:08:54.200 a black i think i mean i think i don't think we should kid ourselves that is a major reason all

01:08:58.440 three of those guys are being considered and of those three i think tim scott has the most strikes

01:09:03.980 against him obviously the biggest strike is south carolina can't be trusted there's something wrong with it

01:09:09.020 i'm sorry to any listeners in south carolina it does something's off it does have a bad track

01:09:14.640 record in modern politics it doesn't have or in you know older politics it didn't have the best track

01:09:18.980 record john c calhoun uh secession yeah i mean and the off the authorship of of the defense of slavery

01:09:26.040 let's i actually think there's another name that's that's tell us yeah let's go to wild off the wall

01:09:31.080 name we all have to not the jack kind of already did this around paul give us an off the wall name

01:09:35.260 so there's a congressman in georgia who we really like a lot uh named mike collins who is like truck

01:09:44.780 driver born and bred uh businessman he's he's like a perfect look he's hilarious he looks like he looks

01:09:52.580 like he came out of a movie he's literally the greatest guy and he comes to all of our events

01:09:57.980 he should he like he attends as like an attendee for our stuff like just loves everything have you if

01:10:04.200 you're not following mike collins you need to start following mike collins today he is like the he is

01:10:09.980 in my opinion the greatest congressman out of georgia he's a little bit low-key he posts a lot of funny

01:10:14.600 memes on twitter uh but he's smart he's a businessman he's a regular guy and he's from a state that we

01:10:20.100 have to win long term right so like this is when it comes down to the ron johnson conversation like

01:10:25.280 how about we put up again likable people who are normal that people connect with that would be

01:10:30.700 really fantastic ron johnson is really not like a normal guy he's you know a you know a very wealthy

01:10:36.840 dude that comes from a big background but he's super likable in wisconsin right that's great ben

01:10:42.160 carson super likable i think jb vance is actually really likable mike collins really likable blake an

01:10:48.140 unusual pick before we move on an unusual one you know the weird one that popped into my head that

01:10:54.860 would be a terrible idea so but you put me on the spot who clarence thomas we would lose a supreme

01:11:01.000 court seat well only if you win gosh no he's not he's not retire anyway if we win no no no no no

01:11:07.020 no we win we need clarence he doesn't need to quit until you win no we need we need clarence on the

01:11:12.520 court plus by the way we already went through the whole florida thing so i won't rehash that

01:11:15.940 but anna polina anna polina being uh vp pick would drive the left crazy too is she so the other the

01:11:22.900 ones that are in contention for sarah huckabee sanders uh the other one that is going to surprise

01:11:28.700 people if you really want to force the border issue and raise record money is greg abbott i'm not a big

01:11:35.620 abbott fan but you can get a lot of booze from the the texas right i would have i would lose votes in

01:11:43.220 texas i would do i would do greg abbott over tim scott oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah okay oh yeah all right

01:11:50.440 well then by the way um i i got so i got um asked uh by media a couple of times about coming out

01:11:59.220 you know forcefully against tim scott uh recently and you know not forcefully i guess i would just

01:12:05.200 say is is probably not the best word but just just openly against tim scott being on the pick

01:12:09.540 and i said look i'm just gonna say it tim scott's a neocon he's a nice guy uh he's he's a friendly

01:12:15.280 guy i think he's i think he's probably you're probably not a bad guy in any way but he's a

01:12:20.320 neocon um he's full-throated for endless wars all over the place on foreign policy he is indistinguishable

01:12:28.260 from nikki haley and i don't think he would be a good pick based on policy all right um let's move

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01:14:44.040 the next uh let's go to the next topic the next topic is crucial to our discussion of the vice president

01:14:49.600 and everything else it is white rural rage we have to play the tape so we have to play the tape do we have it

01:14:57.440 ryan the tape because i think that this is being misunderstood a little bit the the way that on social media

01:15:03.280 they're saying oh my goodness msnc panelists called you know no they wrote a book about it that's what this is that

01:15:09.880 that's the key this is a published book where they have a these are professors this you know i don't know if

01:15:17.780 these guys have a romantic relationship or something but they're sitting awfully close to it's got the mansion romney thing

01:15:21.860 going and and even mika was a little taken back by this guy even mika was like all right that's a little

01:15:28.780 too hard play cut 120 white rural rage the threat to american democracy and tom we'll start with you

01:15:39.280 uh why are white rural voters a threat to democracy at this point i mean we lay out the fourfold

01:15:44.800 interconnected threat that white rural voters pose to the country first of all and we show 30 polls and

01:15:50.420 national studies to demonstrate this so we provide the receipts in chapter six they're the most racist

01:15:54.980 xenophobic anti-immigrant anti-gay geodemographic group in the country second they're the most

01:16:00.680 conspiracist group q anon support and subscribers election denialism covid denialism and scientific

01:16:06.480 skepticism obama birtherism third anti-democratic sentiments they don't believe in an independent

01:16:12.460 press free speech they're most likely to say the president should be able to act unilaterally without

01:16:16.600 any checks from congress or the courts or their bureaucracy they're also the most strongly white

01:16:22.220 nationalist and white christian nationalists and fourth they are most likely to excuse or justify

01:16:27.040 violence as an acceptable alternative to peaceful public discourse is that holy cow you haven't seen

01:16:34.120 that clip i hadn't seen the clip like that is oh my so so jack i have i have some please yes for me

01:16:40.860 riff please um well i don't know if you uh yeah i mean i'm sure guy everyone knows and the whole world

01:16:48.000 knows that uh msnbc has been going after me for basically a week straight um saying that that i'm going

01:16:59.540 to end democracy that i'm the uh the illegal despot and you know all this crazy stuff out of the world

01:17:08.420 and then msnbc including mika by the way and she goes and this isn't because you have to put this in

01:17:15.300 context too these these people mika and rachel maddow and joy reid and all of them and remember i have to

01:17:21.160 be nice so i have to be nice because it's lent um that they spent all day yesterday freaking out

01:17:27.580 that trump is going to be allowed on the ballot by the supreme court and saying it's the end of

01:17:32.500 democracy that people are allowed to vote and then here are two guys who are very very upset

01:17:39.220 that american citizens are going to vote in an election but at the same time they're screaming at

01:17:47.180 like make it make sense somebody please just make it make sense no i mean i i joked in the chat here

01:17:52.320 i said do they want pinal county to vote 90 trump i mean which is oh man there are places already

01:17:57.080 i wonder if we can get like sheridan county where my grandparents live to get to 95 percent now

01:18:01.440 can we get copies of this book and like put it's funny jack i actually ordered it today you're gonna

01:18:07.200 make me read this book all right 100 and you're gonna do a book summary on it oh boy um i'm not

01:18:11.300 gonna read that crap i'm gonna just i'm just gonna show it up on tv to get people fired up

01:18:14.780 so but white rural rage is the title they say white rural voters are the most racist most conspiracy

01:18:22.440 against immigrants like yeah they should be against illegal foreigners come to their country

01:18:26.800 let's really dig into this because i'm actually really angry now first of all most conspiracists

01:18:30.880 like okay first of all what are they even defining as a conspiracy because i think all of these people

01:18:36.020 believe in the biggest conspiracy theory in america which is systemic racism where racism is like the

01:18:40.960 force it's a miasma that like is the reason that all the schools in baltimore are bad because all of

01:18:45.780 the teachers there are secretly klansmen at night like they all believe that crap they believe all of the

01:18:50.880 police departments that are blacker than any other institution in the united states like oh the nypd is

01:18:55.120 you know 30 black or whatever but they're all systematically racist the detroit police department

01:18:59.380 they're all racist they all believe that crap that's a conspiracy theory but oh it doesn't count

01:19:03.660 oh they're against the freedom of the press yeah you guys are against the freedom of the press you guys

01:19:08.080 flip out anytime the press doesn't all believe the exact same things oh they're against immigration

01:19:14.200 so what if a majority of people want less immigration which polling shows they do

01:19:20.520 that is in fact the democratic position small d democracy the people want to vote for less

01:19:27.620 immigration you're the one saying they can't who's against democracy well to be fair jack is a play cut

01:19:33.860 130 so now my dear friends i will reveal my plan of attack to you we will begin with ending paper

01:19:43.820 ballots and ending election day we will remove all voter id and all citizenship requirements for

01:19:52.500 voting we will replace in-person voting with low integrity mail-in options and drop boxes we're going

01:19:59.280 to arrest the opposition leader four times we'll flood the nation with millions of invaders who vote

01:20:06.540 the way we want release violent criminals into the cities disarm the populace remove religion from the

01:20:13.420 public square i'm going to do it all and you can't stop me folks this is their democracy this is the

01:20:22.980 regime that we will overturn so now my dear friends i will reveal my plan of attack okay jack

01:20:30.000 well you you think they uh that was a good that's good but they buried the lead because

01:20:35.240 the phrase that i used that triggered all of them was that i said i'm going to end democracy i'm going

01:20:43.100 to overthrow democracy and and i said and it's funny because i'm like laughing in the clip and i go and

01:20:49.640 that's right you know we didn't we didn't quite get all the way there on jan 6 folks we still got a

01:20:53.460 little bit of democracy left so we gotta we gotta stamp it out in the next election with which you know

01:20:58.960 you'd you'd think that people would get the irony of that statement that we're we're voting to end

01:21:03.280 democracy but but no you know the left just just just isn't like with that and then so what i go

01:21:08.220 on to do is um is list all of the things that are currently being remember again we have a guy who's

01:21:16.140 running for president right now who's who's leading in i think the majority of all the polls and

01:21:20.680 certainly in all the swing states um so the guy who's currently lead in the lead for the president

01:21:25.760 of the united states that the entire media is championing to be stricken from the very ballot

01:21:31.700 itself and we're basically being told now i guess based on this book that we're talking about that

01:21:37.380 people shouldn't even be allowed to vote if you're if you're white if you're rural you know is there

01:21:44.280 going to be a test i don't know blake maybe you could design some kind of test to determine whether

01:21:48.480 or not someone is a rural light and if they would be allowed to vote or not uh based on their rural

01:21:54.900 nicety no the the funny part is they want to run elections like putin runs elections they have all

01:22:00.500 this uh they have all this animosity against putin no it's envy really as envy for yeah envy it's like

01:22:08.520 but we only want moscow to vote okay and we don't want any opponents isn't that is that the whole

01:22:17.920 argument they have has an election coming up yeah just all of this is the biggest projection in the

01:22:22.640 universe the atlantic just ran an article the other day by uh russell berman whoever that is

01:22:27.780 uh i have it on my screen if you guys want to bring it up how democrats could disqualify trump

01:22:32.600 if the supreme court doesn't without clear guidance from the court house democrats suggests they might

01:22:38.720 not certify a trump win on january 6th so we already have them laying the groundwork okay well first of

01:22:45.540 all we try to have courts take trump off the ballot then we're going to go to the supreme court have

01:22:49.140 them try to keep trump off the ballot if the supreme court doesn't keep trump off the ballot we can have

01:22:54.380 congress go and not let him win and in fact even three years ago we had another article in the

01:23:01.160 atlantic saying it might be kamala harris's job to stop the steal in 2024 where they were literally

01:23:07.180 just laying the groundwork to say kamala harris should do what some people wanted mike pence to do

01:23:11.340 on january 6th it's all the biggest projection in the universe they want to literally take the

01:23:18.260 opposition candidate off the ballot and they're holding they're throwing this temper tantrum what

01:23:22.800 else did they say in that video they said in the video oh they're the people who believe the most

01:23:26.520 it was something like like violent political action or whatever yeah in 2020 i don't think anyone

01:23:32.440 burned down you know a drugstore in mccluskey north dakota a lot of people burned down their drugstore

01:23:37.880 in milwaukee in minneapolis in st louis they tried to do it in atlanta and actually the police

01:23:43.600 stopped them good for them but they did these people all do they view riots as a way of achieving

01:23:50.980 political change they're the ones who go out and say well mlk told us that riot is the language of

01:23:55.900 the unheard they're the ones who said oh all of the lockdowns are canceled for as long as we need to

01:24:00.660 have giant marches against racial justice they're the ones who organize lawsuits against cities to get

01:24:05.500 multi-million dollar payouts to rioters after all this stuff happened these people are just full of

01:24:11.000 crap and uh why are they doing it blake because a book like this it actually every time now i go do

01:24:19.020 a lincoln reagan day dinner in rural america i'm gonna bring up this book and be like they hate you

01:24:23.720 i mean this is a way where we get to 90 95 and by the way i'm not kidding right tyler if we get to like

01:24:29.460 90 in mojave county or if we get to like you know i don't know 88 in some of these rules you can you

01:24:39.040 could start to forgive some of the losses and some of the excerpts am i right well and that's

01:24:43.140 like in wickenburg for example if there's actually a story to be told about america if you look and

01:24:48.180 this is the most interesting thing that nobody's talking about is how a lot of these rural places

01:24:52.240 in america have gone from moderately blue to deep deep red deep red deep red and this is including

01:24:58.780 iowa this is part of the story of iowa and the outskirts of iowa this is parts of georgia that

01:25:03.440 we're talking about is there is animosity that's it's brewing there and don't forget you in covid

01:25:09.460 had the one negative impact that happened during covid was you had a lot of semi-liberals move out

01:25:15.380 to the rurals and those rural areas didn't get more blue a lot of these places became more red

01:25:22.220 and so i mean that's that's something that's very scary for them because they're kind of

01:25:26.920 setting the table for themselves i mean take so big time take yavapai county for example which is

01:25:31.920 growing it's grown since 2001 significantly prescott prescott valley if they if we do two

01:25:37.780 points better in yavapai what does that mean oh yeah and that's that's 20 000 30 000 votes but

01:25:42.700 that's the reason why they want to suppress the vote right with a lot of these writing books like

01:25:46.700 wait wait wait guys guys guys so so super super in the weeds you know yavapai penal etc charlie for

01:25:56.160 the people that are kind of like you know on the other side of the country that have no idea what

01:26:00.740 those places are these rural counties the exurb suburbs what exactly 30 000 foot view are you

01:26:06.680 talking about is so important if we drive out these low propensity voters yeah and tyler knows it even

01:26:12.080 better than i do i mean as it goes if you win maricopa by one vote you win the entire state and

01:26:16.080 that's our goal at turning point action however you look at some of these areas in arizona prescott i

01:26:22.300 think is the second or third largest city in the state right tyler i mean it's and prescott is in

01:26:26.600 yavapai county no it's it's not nearly that big but the fastest rate of growth oh for fastest not

01:26:32.500 population yeah it's it's up there i mean a lot of these rural places i mean this is the same as

01:26:37.440 happening in idaho it's happening in utah if we can run up the score in these areas overall well

01:26:43.100 that's why it's important for us to prepare the table to make sure that we maintain these places

01:26:48.360 so that i mean look the way that they're they want to manipulate the vote a lot of these places they

01:26:53.480 want to build cities up high and be able to control people close together so even some of these places

01:26:59.460 that are uh that are growing we want to make sure people have access to land that they can move out

01:27:05.500 they can have their own stuff uh that's the way that you keep these things but when people learn

01:27:11.540 the american dream what is the american dream i always talk with people about this kids property

01:27:15.780 it's property yeah it's pro at the end of the day it's property it's owning stuff when you take that

01:27:21.780 away from people you're in despotism and and that is when people unlock that they become more

01:27:27.920 conservative organically naturally so just just so we know prescott has grown by seven percent since

01:27:33.640 2020 that's big i i actually do want to push back here overall rural america is shrinking a lot of

01:27:39.620 this rage a lot of this hatred is hatred of like this remnant group in america the rump

01:27:46.140 traditional american population because if you went back to 1950 or 1920 or whatever the vast majority of

01:27:54.880 americans would resemble these rage-filled white rural people that would have been the vast majority of

01:28:00.740 the voters and frankly america was a pretty successful and great country then and these

01:28:05.840 people have rebelled against this in a large way there are a few cities like prescott that are growing

01:28:12.020 but if you look at a map like sedona and you know flagstaff that are more resort there's a few and

01:28:17.180 arizona is a growing state generally so it's just but the cup overflowing the people they're

01:28:21.220 attacking ohio for example ohio wisconsin yeah you southeast ohio is not seeing a seven percent

01:28:27.800 population growth like press they might be seeing a 10 population decline correct and these are the

01:28:32.720 people they're really singling out for hatred and what frankly it's said but probably not said enough

01:28:40.740 is it really the way they despise they being the left-wing regime elites whatever the way they

01:28:50.760 despise rural white people it is it functions at least in the same way you imagine other types of

01:29:00.180 like racism functioning even if it's white against white where they actually do just they hate them

01:29:05.520 they hate the group they hate the group they hate them in very in ways you could not get away with

01:29:10.760 against other groups any group like the way you can just casually make a joke about people in

01:29:16.340 like alabama they they have sex with their cousins and they're all inbred you'll you can casually make

01:29:22.740 that joke in all sorts of places and you can't for example you can't casually make that joke about

01:29:27.960 people from somalia or pakistan where it's actually a problem that they marry their cousins a lot

01:29:32.520 correct and you can and potentially do it while in congress yeah and you know you can you can do

01:29:37.800 caricatures of them the way you can't do caricatures of other people like it's almost like they are an

01:29:43.380 outlet that the left is allowed to take their it's the only regime accepted punching bag exactly

01:29:51.060 they are only one and especially aim that you can have a mean-spirited punching bag it's also just

01:29:56.760 how sinister this is these people have like very little money like they're very decent i mean

01:30:02.500 you know what i mean if like there was a group to hate like you hate earl who lives in like

01:30:08.440 billings montana and hunts and fishes and like has two kids and is a welder and earns 65 000 a year

01:30:15.340 yeah it's it's actually that's who we hate we hate the guy that goes to church and like drives a

01:30:20.620 pickup truck and this is like mildly overweight like we hate him but this is even more wild than this

01:30:25.560 like i want to get no i know jack but i mean i want to get being facetious this is an article

01:30:30.500 there's an article that came out in 2021 that really illustrates how deranged this is there's

01:30:37.380 it was in the la times in 2021 it was by a woman named virginia hefferman and let's look her up it's

01:30:45.140 like the the article opens this way oh heck no the trump bites next door to our pandemic getaway

01:30:51.460 who seem as devoted to the ex-president as you can get without being q fans just plowed our driveway

01:30:58.560 without being asked and did a great job so this woman flees the a city being run under the you know

01:31:06.740 the policy she wants of you can't you know go outside or do anything so she flees from her own

01:31:12.420 policies to go to mega country because she actually likes living there more and then this is entire this

01:31:18.900 like long article complaining about the horribleness of people who literally went out of their way to

01:31:24.480 help her for free by just plowing her driveway because people do that in nice parts of america

01:31:29.440 and she's frightening well but they voted for the wrong person they're bad people

01:31:32.920 and this happens all the time you run into you can find all these bizarre think pieces what should i do

01:31:39.680 about all of like my trump neighbors or my trump family members my parents who raised me and you know

01:31:46.000 and clothed me and fed me and cared for me and maybe paid for my college should i break off contact

01:31:50.700 with them because they voted for trump they would say yes yeah they'd run into this all the time every

01:31:54.960 single year we have to get guidebooks about how to you know lecture your family at thanksgiving

01:31:59.260 correct it's no and i i said this before blake and is it an exaggeration where they if they could

01:32:06.040 they would drone white rural america oh absolutely he said in that clip that they're a threat to the

01:32:11.780 country he's talking to us like we're al-qaeda when the those uh the bundy ranch people took over the uh

01:32:18.120 the i can't remember the name that place in nevada i believe it was you can find people on twitter

01:32:23.960 saying like why don't they drone them drone them these people literally will do that sort of thing you

01:32:28.620 know the future there's this dark future where we have some like this kind of like emotional

01:32:35.200 woman at the fbi sobbing while she hits the button to fire the drone missile saying you made me do this

01:32:42.460 and then blowing up their house and yes seriously yeah i mean these are people who did waco and it's

01:32:46.920 not even that i like the guy who david korech i don't it's not that i like david koresh davidians

01:32:52.580 but think about the context of that where they wanted to arrest this guy and instead of just reno

01:32:56.620 and instead of just arresting him when he went to a walmart because he did leave all the time he went for

01:33:02.680 runs every morning they had to do this macho thing to assault it and then it didn't work out

01:33:07.300 and they're like oh well better besiege it better let the thing burn down what do you think spray it

01:33:11.700 with gunfire better kill all the children who are inside why do you think they need we need self-driving

01:33:17.460 cars it's they're gonna just drive us raft cliffs yeah like these people have these sick impulses this

01:33:24.300 is another line in the story you know uh where is it here uh this is kind of weird this is referring

01:33:30.640 to the plowing your driveway back in the the city people don't sweep others walkways for nothing

01:33:35.380 yeah this is one of my favorite cities aren't as good as rural america rural america is better than

01:33:42.020 you and you should think about what that means when they don't vote the way that you do but these these

01:33:48.360 people are wretched they are bad people no they really are they get to go on television instead of

01:33:54.760 having rocks thrown at them in public so blake there's actually this interesting like like flip

01:34:00.420 on so you know we talk about hick libs a lot and we talked about like oliver anthony and we talked

01:34:04.680 about this whole um you know genre of of i don't know like a new archetype that's arisen on you know

01:34:13.960 will stansell is kind of one of these guys a person who's from sort of a more rural area

01:34:18.240 uh or a midwestern area in his case and and yet has liberal tendencies even though they sort of have

01:34:24.460 like more more rural aesthetics i i think i've i've been trying to think of what the opposite to

01:34:29.240 that is because you see a lot of this on the new right that there's a lot of people who aren't

01:34:33.320 necessarily rural at all uh donald trump of course is probably as far from rural as you can get the guy

01:34:39.320 announced his presidential campaign uh literally on fifth avenue next to tiffany's in a giant skyscraper

01:34:45.480 bearing his name while you know wearing a suit that was worth several thousand dollars

01:34:48.840 um flying around in a helicopter in an airplane with his name on it so i was like i was like would

01:34:53.460 the would the flip side of that be like an urban con and so and if so are the urban cons like the

01:34:59.600 conservatives who grow up not able to stand all the liberals that they're surrounded by all the time

01:35:04.740 the same way that the hick lib hates all the rural conservatives that are around them it's a i don't

01:35:09.720 know it's interesting dynamic to get into at some point maybe for a later show let's get to the last

01:35:13.880 topic what is it the last topic is squatters actually yeah this is way more way more chill

01:35:20.140 i'll start with this one i was first made aware so squatting's a long this is not a new thing

01:35:25.540 is it we should before we talk about it we should have the news hook i suppose well we should have

01:35:29.540 the news hook so we were talking about this today there's a story in the new york post a queen's couple

01:35:34.760 bought a two million dollar home to care for their special needs their special needs sonia down

01:35:40.380 syndrome and they show up and they discover that a squatter is living in the building and new york

01:35:46.140 laws being what they are you can't evict the squatter because so explain what that what does

01:35:51.000 that mean that means someone literally is living in your house so you can't remove them exactly a lot

01:35:55.320 a surprising number of jurisdictions have laws where if a person has resided in a structure long

01:36:02.360 enough even if they're not paying anything even if they have no legal right to be there if they have

01:36:06.400 been there long enough they get tenant rights regardless of how they caught in right exactly

01:36:11.420 they could have broken in you will literally get cases where for example people move and then their

01:36:15.800 house is for sale or they leave for a few months and someone just breaks in and changes the locks

01:36:21.340 and maybe they don't find out because they are gone several months and they get back and the people

01:36:26.520 just say we have squatter rights here they'll call the police and the police will say sorry this is a

01:36:31.300 matter for the courts now we can't we can't remove this person so so in new york city um i don't have

01:36:37.420 the date when this went into went into existence but in new york city it's probably one of the most

01:36:42.440 radical in the entire country so in some places adverse possession this takes you know over like

01:36:46.720 for seven years of being you know on in a in a facility or in a location or like 10 years in some

01:36:53.820 states in new york city it's 30 days it's literally 30 if you can prove that you live somewhere

01:36:58.620 for 30 days then they can't evict you which is insane like you could be uh you know you could

01:37:04.600 be visiting family or some or like somewhere for 30 days you could be like away or some people do

01:37:09.680 the snowbird thing where they you know they'll be in uh in florida for the winter and then come back

01:37:14.640 after 30 days and now all of a sudden someone lives in your house it's insane it's pretty funny because

01:37:21.780 this is like a relic of really old law like anglo-saxon common law it's a relic of times

01:37:28.220 where land title isn't quite as well defined as it is or where you know like a war happens and people

01:37:35.040 flee and so you need some way where oh yeah stuff happened and these people ended up living here and

01:37:40.680 after 10 years it's their stuff now and we get these relics of this and now we're in a time where you

01:37:47.860 really don't need those standards anymore but we still have these laws and it's much worse in europe

01:37:53.960 this happens all the time in europe so where they'll have like romani people just move into

01:37:58.780 their house and correct and never get them out i first was gypsies they're called gypsies okay

01:38:02.880 we'll say gypsies okay go ahead guys gypsies i'll tell the story a different time i'm exhausted so

01:38:10.460 anyone else got something to say no no i tell the story okay we were just making sure to offend people

01:38:15.000 okay so i was first exposed to um squatters when i was like 10 years old and i was in highland park

01:38:22.140 illinois there was a very very nice house that a guy owned and he vacated it for like a year and he

01:38:28.900 went to sell it uh a homeless guy broke in and started living there and he didn't know it for the

01:38:35.000 first like 35 40 days and it took him literally years to get him out he just lived in the house

01:38:40.100 couldn't do anything about it yeah and so and so is his house and literally had to go to the court

01:38:45.520 and it got like delayed because squatters rights at that time we're like yeah if you live there long

01:38:50.600 enough it's your house that's so terrible yeah and so isn't that unbelievable it just total trespassing

01:38:56.120 i mean this is gonna this is gonna grow by the way with all the illegals and stuff they're gonna

01:38:59.660 start breaking into people's vacations homes and being like it's my house oh yeah and this is part

01:39:03.800 of you know what though like they can get those it's also it's it's covid and the housing just the

01:39:08.480 housing crisis that we're in right now so those people aren't able to afford properties or like

01:39:12.840 banks and blackrock and other things aren't going to be able to afford to maintain their properties

01:39:16.980 and then they can't rent them out so you're going to have all these properties that people speculated

01:39:21.280 on for rentals that are just going to sit open people are going to move right in and and your

01:39:25.280 supply the way you can go on tiktok right now i saw this in the new york post that uh they're

01:39:30.320 they're like tutorials on how to target a house for squatting and like there are guys who just do this

01:39:35.040 there's even there's literally cases where they'll they'll scope out houses that are for sale

01:39:40.820 and then people will fake lease them to people and then get them in there long enough that they'll

01:39:46.780 have squatters rights and then the person who actually sold them the lease just skips town

01:39:51.080 the chinese may not even need to buy up our land anymore they can just send in a bunch of squatters

01:39:55.620 yeah yep ccp our own ccp we're gonna get tiktok it'll be tiktok videos you know here's how to fly

01:40:01.860 to mexico here's how to cross the border here's what you tell them here's how you apply for the

01:40:05.280 fifteen thousand dollar a year credit card new york will give you here's how you get housing you

01:40:09.500 just break into this place here's the ngo that you will call that will give you free legal

01:40:13.480 representation uh against these poor saps who are stuck trying to evict you yeah and uh here's this

01:40:19.980 giant corporate law firm that'll chip in here's their pro bono here's the ngo to call yeah in trouble

01:40:24.360 and just it truly is a vast apparatus all right i want to close with a tease uh we have made the

01:40:30.580 decision we are going to street stream live on tuesday for super tuesday um so hopefully

01:40:35.900 i think trump's gonna win every state and that will just be kind of fun to watch and see and go

01:40:40.340 through all the states and also just kind of talk about different political dynamics in each of those

01:40:43.520 states as it comes in what are the super tuesday states by the way they change every time there's a

01:40:48.240 bunch so uh a couple move this year let's go through the list um really quick because i think

01:40:54.020 it'll be really fun to kind of do that and make a 2024 preview i think the stream will do really

01:40:58.220 well uh and i i mean will nikki haley even know virginia off the top of my head virginia alaska

01:41:03.160 california vermont i think i'll go through some of the big ones alabama alaska arkansas california

01:41:11.740 colorado california uh you have uh gc is a few days before so that that's that shifted idaho's a few

01:41:20.760 days before uh vermont utah virginia tennessee minnesota do you think do you think nikki could

01:41:27.780 surprise in california i don't think so no they trump they love trump in california the california

01:41:33.000 republican party is actually pretty very right wing they're just they only get 35 now like hey

01:41:38.720 the question is is andrew voting in the california primary on tuesday that's oh snap got to put he

01:41:44.080 says not here but he's gonna put on his maga hat he's gonna go vote for trump i love that andrew i

01:41:49.220 know you're just in the chat but producer andrew do you do you actually vote in california general

01:41:53.500 elections or do you just not waste your time yeah he does okay yeah he does all right no the

01:41:58.040 real question is does he vote in the races that don't matter at all does he show up to get massacred

01:42:02.420 in the santa barbara elections why not i love it so it it's fun to you know what i do i uh i tell

01:42:11.500 everyone you want to make sure your ballot counts find a race you don't care about or write in

01:42:16.360 a random name so you can always go back when uh they hand count the ballots that's exactly right and

01:42:21.820 check if it uh if it worked or not i have like three of your friends do the same thing like

01:42:25.080 write in harry potter for the uh water commissioner and you would know it should at

01:42:28.880 least have four votes all right everybody see on super tuesday what a great episode that was

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 02, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire？ White Rural Rage？ Shoot Squatters？

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