Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 16, 2024


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 36 — Dead Boeing Whistleblowers？ Aaron Rodgers for VP？ TikTok Ban： Good or Bad？


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In the wake of the House passing a bill that could ban TikTok, the question is, should it be allowed to live on in the United States? Is this a good or bad thing? And is it even a thing at all?

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00:00:00.520 From the age of big brother.
00:00:03.260 If they want to get you, they'll get you.
00:00:05.640 DNS specifically targets the communications of everyone.
00:00:09.580 They're collecting your communications.
00:00:18.360 Okay, happy Thought Crime Thursday, everybody.
00:00:22.060 We have with us Blake, Tyler, and Jack from a very special studio.
00:00:28.460 Let's get right into it.
00:00:29.420 To ban or not to ban, that is the question.
00:00:32.360 Blake, set it up.
00:00:33.580 All right, well, so it seems like people have talked about this for two years
00:00:37.500 and it went nowhere, and then suddenly it just went everywhere in one week.
00:00:40.960 Congress just, like, all unravels, and they're going to ban TikTok, possibly.
00:00:46.640 The U.S. House voted pretty overwhelmingly.
00:00:49.420 Most Republicans, most Democrats advanced a piece of legislation,
00:00:53.920 which, to be specific, it empowers the White House, the president,
00:00:57.920 to designate an app as owned by a foreign adversary government.
00:01:02.060 And then they have a time limit of a few months to divest themselves of that app.
00:01:06.600 And if they do not do so, then it is banned from U.S. app stores,
00:01:09.860 which means the iPhone, Apple App Store, Microsoft App Store, Google's, and so on.
00:01:15.160 So it wouldn't ban it?
00:01:18.940 It would not ban it.
00:01:20.160 It doesn't say, it's not a one-line piece of legislation that says TikTok is banned.
00:01:24.080 In fact, all it does is say, it lets the Biden administration say TikTok will be banned
00:01:30.960 if they do not do the following things.
00:01:33.940 And what they're required to do is, ByteDance, which is the Chinese company that owns it,
00:01:39.520 they would be forced to divest themselves of TikTok in the U.S.
00:01:42.620 so they could just sell its operations to some other company.
00:01:46.520 And if they do that, then it can no longer be banned.
00:01:50.580 So, Jack, where do you fall on this?
00:01:53.040 There's been kind of a division in certain Trump circles or conservative circles.
00:01:57.920 Do you think, do you support this bill, this piece of legislation?
00:02:02.540 So, it's really weird, right?
00:02:05.080 You know, I'm coming at this from a guy who spent the better part of 18 years
00:02:10.240 either learning about the CCP or focused on China.
00:02:14.240 And I've never seen this level of support for something that is just on its face anti-CCP before.
00:02:20.980 So right there, that just gives me pause to say, wait a minute, is there something else going on?
00:02:24.960 Is there something weird, something amiss?
00:02:27.600 Because I've never seen this in Washington, D.C., ever, in 18 years, act like this before.
00:02:34.440 In general, in general, yes, 100% divest TikTok from the CCP.
00:02:41.020 However, comma, I do have pause as to what the actual guts of this bill are.
00:02:47.660 I know you and I both had Raheem Kassam on today.
00:02:50.340 He says he's gone through it and hasn't seen any issues in the exact wording of it.
00:02:55.480 But I'd love to do a little bit more of a deep dive to make sure that there aren't any of these,
00:02:59.800 you know, kind of hidden meanings or hidden effects from the thing.
00:03:04.160 In general, though, of course, this is something that I would support.
00:03:08.180 I don't know about this specific bill enough, but in general, yes.
00:03:12.760 Tyler, how are we scoring this or looking at this?
00:03:14.620 And what was the vote tally in the House?
00:03:16.940 And kind of walk our audience through the Freedom Caucus versus MAGA wing.
00:03:20.280 What's going on here?
00:03:20.960 So not everyone on the Freedom Caucus opposed it, but a good chunk of the Freedom Caucus did.
00:03:26.880 So what I think a lot of people would consider the most conservative members of the Freedom Caucus
00:03:33.480 that are like the kind of go-to, the Andy Bigses and co, like kind of the former Freedom Caucus shell,
00:03:40.820 Matt Gaetz, others, they opposed it.
00:03:44.260 And part of the reason why I'm hearing that their opposition to this is because it gives way too much control
00:03:50.620 to the executive branch to make determinations.
00:03:54.220 And there's a concern that the determination is that they could score an American company
00:04:01.440 as being too foreign or foreign-influenced, in which case then that could ultimately
00:04:08.120 just give the executive branch the control and power to start wheels in motion
00:04:12.540 and really ahead of this next election, shut down social media again.
00:04:17.920 So is that, so Blake, that's what some people have said is that this can be then used and abused.
00:04:23.140 Where do you fall on that?
00:04:25.120 Some people call it fear-mongering.
00:04:26.900 Some people say that's just what the government does.
00:04:29.300 I guess I feel like with any piece of legislation that comes together very quickly,
00:04:34.620 and it just does seem like this came together very quickly after a lot of stalling out,
00:04:40.460 and then everyone's saying we're going to do this right now.
00:04:42.240 In an election year.
00:04:43.160 In an election year.
00:04:44.900 And even if it's not intended to be abused, even if it is written in a manner to prevent abuses,
00:04:49.960 I just, I feel like the trust level with the federal government is low.
00:04:54.580 Is in the negative.
00:04:55.300 And always going lower.
00:04:57.040 And, you know, just like glancing through this, it gives the power to the Attorney General
00:05:00.260 to start investigations into violations of this.
00:05:02.660 So what happens if they just start harassing your company and demanding all of your stuff?
00:05:06.300 Are you actually controlled by a foreign adversary?
00:05:08.860 And that's part of it, is it gets into, it's controlled by a foreign adversary.
00:05:15.200 It's not owned, because I don't believe the Chinese government literally owns TikTok.
00:05:19.380 It's more that, in the sense that every Chinese company is perceived as, to some extent,
00:05:24.740 dominated by the CCP, because it's an authoritarian country.
00:05:27.700 And so you can easily see how definitions start getting loose in there.
00:05:32.200 Well, they'll say, well, any app that's linked with this country is really owned by that regime.
00:05:37.060 And then you get this, you see the chain of events start taking place.
00:05:41.660 Yeah, so Jack, kind of be our China expert here, Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:46.240 Is that, is what Blake is saying correct?
00:05:48.920 I mean, can, saying that it's CCP, or is it factually correct to say that it is owned by
00:05:56.360 the Chinese Communist Party, an owned and operated asset of the CCP?
00:05:59.260 Well, so, I mean, the way that, okay, the way that business in China operates is very different
00:06:08.420 from the way that business in the United States works, where in the United States, you have
00:06:13.160 clearly delineated lines between what is a private entity, what is a public entity, what
00:06:19.640 is a political party, what is not.
00:06:21.380 In China, the party has sort of control over everything, you know, in a sense.
00:06:28.640 Every enterprise is allowed to rise or fall because the party, at one level or another,
00:06:34.400 I'm not saying that they're, you know, Xi Jinping sitting up there, like, making decisions on
00:06:38.180 what, you know, what the algorithm is going to push today.
00:06:40.560 And I've heard people say that. 0.91
00:06:42.380 I think that's a little silly.
00:06:43.700 But it's, you know, it's sort of like, as long as they're, as long as they're respecting
00:06:47.860 the things they need to respect, as long as they're doing the things they need to do,
00:06:51.780 then they're fine.
00:06:52.420 And this, and by the way, ByteDance and Douyin, which is what it's called in China,
00:06:56.700 are not the only, you know, there's a ton of other social medias in China.
00:07:02.640 The main piece of it, of course, is that each of them do have to fall under the auspices
00:07:08.080 of the CCP.
00:07:08.840 Now, to answer your question directly, my big take on this is that the angle has always
00:07:14.580 been, they keep saying, well, you don't need to do this because actually the, they're saying
00:07:19.880 that, oh, the, the servers are in Texas, you don't have to worry about it, your data is
00:07:23.800 not being shared at all.
00:07:24.940 Well, if that were true, then couldn't they just divest it on their own and set up their
00:07:29.780 own new company?
00:07:30.740 So Jeff Yaz, who's this guy that's invested in it, couldn't he just set up like TikTok
00:07:35.140 America and suddenly it comes out and it's founded in Texas, whatever, and do that.
00:07:41.360 But they won't do that.
00:07:42.140 And I, I can only believe that number one, the main reason is cost on one hand, but then
00:07:48.160 number two is because they probably do have a very robust data sharing agreement.
00:07:52.580 I don't think it's a backdoor.
00:07:53.440 I think it's the door between your data and anything that's going on in the server farms
00:07:58.420 in China, which of course are absolutely fully open to any Ministry of State Security, Second
00:08:05.500 Bureau, PLA, Second Bureau operatives in the Chinese Intel community that they want.
00:08:10.000 So the question also is, can it apply to other apps?
00:08:13.880 We're streaming live on Rumble right now as the way the bill is written.
00:08:17.900 Rumble has Canadian connections.
00:08:19.640 That's not necessarily an adversary, but we're literally communicating on one application.
00:08:24.640 Yeah.
00:08:24.800 Well, right.
00:08:25.280 So Tyler, we're literally texting right now on Telegram.
00:08:28.120 We love Telegram.
00:08:29.160 My blessed loved Telegram, but they say Telegram is Russian.
00:08:33.200 Could they use this bill to ban Telegram?
00:08:35.480 Yeah, I think so.
00:08:36.960 I think so, too.
00:08:38.180 I mean, we had Rahim, who I respect, and I reread the bill.
00:08:42.420 The Telegram is totally on the chopping block here.
00:08:44.360 I don't know why anyone would think it isn't.
00:08:46.440 Like, am I wrong?
00:08:47.240 I mean, it's the sort of thing where they could probably sue you and a court could say,
00:08:51.240 well, no, they're not owned by the Russian government.
00:08:54.240 You can definitely make the case.
00:08:55.440 But then you can see them try to abuse the bill.
00:08:57.840 But whatever precedent that they make with TikTok could just be applied.
00:09:02.820 What it's doing is it is creating a new tool in the toolbox that they could use.
00:09:08.760 And I think we always need to be wary of that because I guess this is taking a bigger step back here.
00:09:16.100 I'll be blunt.
00:09:17.220 But what do I see as the biggest threat to American freedoms right now?
00:09:21.360 I'll be honest.
00:09:22.000 I don't think it's the Chinese Communist Party.
00:09:24.420 The biggest threat to American freedoms, as I enjoy practicing them, is substantially other people in the United States. 0.86
00:09:32.460 It's large companies in the United States.
00:09:34.560 It's the United States government.
00:09:36.320 It's ideological actors in the United States.
00:09:39.060 China is an adversary in a lot of ways.
00:09:41.500 They compete with us.
00:09:42.440 They even sometimes want to hurt us.
00:09:44.440 But I don't think they have this same agenda of, like, maximizing restrictions on, like, my personal speech.
00:09:53.120 I don't think China actually cares that much about that.
00:09:55.180 Or even if they do agree, though, China is an enemy of the United States. 0.51
00:09:57.980 They are an adversary of the United States.
00:10:00.040 What is that difference?
00:10:01.720 Well, so I think enemy implies that they really would go out of their way to hurt us even if we were not really important to them.
00:10:10.980 Like, it is an express goal of theirs to hurt us as opposed to having the goal of, like, China being number one, China being the most powerful country, and the U.S. is an obstacle to that.
00:10:22.520 Sure, but that's an enemy relationship, right?
00:10:26.080 Eh, tomato-tomato, but...
00:10:27.980 Okay.
00:10:28.460 It's adversarial.
00:10:28.960 But further than that, I just see a lot of stuff about, like, China owning TikTok is bad because China can use the algorithms in TikTok to destroy the United States. 0.87
00:10:40.220 Well, they're making our kids trans. 0.98
00:10:41.600 That is a real thing.
00:10:42.380 I don't think that's true.
00:10:43.260 I think Americans are making each other trans and making the kids trans, and it's convenient for them to blame China for this. 0.69
00:10:49.860 I don't blame China.
00:10:50.880 I blame TikTok.
00:10:51.760 If TikTok gets sold off to a U.S. company, do you think that will make TikTok more woke or less woke?
00:10:58.280 Less woke.
00:10:59.240 Really?
00:10:59.700 I mean, for example...
00:11:00.720 If Google bought this company, it would be less woke?
00:11:03.180 I mean, I can say things on Google and Instagram and Facebook I can't say on TikTok.
00:11:06.580 Why is that?
00:11:07.580 I don't actually think that's true.
00:11:08.960 That's 100% true.
00:11:09.760 And even if it is, I don't think if they bought them that they would change...
00:11:12.460 So, for example, let's just take Facebook.
00:11:14.340 I can talk about trans issues all day long on Facebook.
00:11:16.960 I cannot on TikTok.
00:11:18.100 Yeah, but that's because Facebook is entirely dependent on boomers who don't like Obama for their bottom line. 0.53
00:11:22.440 But the employees, to the extent TikTok is woke, it is because TikTok's American users and American employees and American political actors want TikTok to be woke.
00:11:35.420 Can I say why I disagree with you on that?
00:11:38.140 Because the way that TikTok is operating and the reason why Charlie's had the experience that he's had, which is what our organizations had in general, is that TikTok is only beholden essentially to the District of Columbia in the United States.
00:11:54.300 So, the way that TikTok views how they moderate content is essentially all through just the District of Columbia, which isn't far off from Google, to be honest.
00:12:04.800 But at least Google and Facebook and other groups are a little bit beholden to the 50 states.
00:12:12.900 And why is that?
00:12:13.940 Because they're so dependent on their income that comes from the stores that they own.
00:12:21.100 The number one fear that the American companies have is that anti-trist laws will be invoked in each of the 50 states.
00:12:32.020 And that's probably, and we don't take advantage of that enough.
00:12:34.860 We don't talk about this enough in the conservative movement.
00:12:37.160 But all 50 states, all the red states together collectively can effectively control Facebook and Google and Apple by flexing that muscle. 0.60
00:12:48.020 That muscle cannot be flexed right now against TikTok.
00:12:52.660 And so, that's a real concern.
00:12:54.540 That's a legitimate concern.
00:12:55.840 That's part of the reason why I believe that the content moderation is much more severe because all they care about is what answer they get out of the District of Columbia as far as operating in the United States.
00:13:07.060 So, having an American ownership element would help because if we do flex that muscle, which the Republicans have not, conservatives have not so far, then that gives some balance of power.
00:13:19.000 And that's part of the reason why I believe Facebook pulled back so significantly over the last two years.
00:13:24.620 But, you know, ahead of this next election, we'll see.
00:13:26.700 They could be worse than ever before.
00:13:28.300 Your argument could be proved valid.
00:13:31.420 I just don't think that we've invoked antitrust laws as much as we should.
00:13:35.560 So, you don't think that the CCP manipulates the algorithm?
00:13:38.480 I don't even think they would know how to manipulate the algorithm.
00:13:41.340 Like, if you wanted to manipulate China, if we owned an app in China, do you even think we could do it?
00:13:46.840 But then why is the Chinese TikTok different than our TikTok?
00:13:49.260 Someone's doing manipulation. 0.97
00:13:49.840 Because China censors the crap out of their internet. 0.98
00:13:51.880 You just said they don't know how to do it. 0.98
00:13:53.120 China censors their internet.
00:13:55.040 And also, they're censoring it for Chinese people in China.
00:13:57.680 But you just said they don't know how to do the algorithm.
00:13:59.040 That's them doing the algorithm.
00:14:00.000 No, I'm not saying they don't know how to do algorithms.
00:14:02.280 I'm saying, how would China, a country that actually doesn't understand America that well at all?
00:14:07.960 They have American assets here.
00:14:09.840 Of course they do.
00:14:10.640 But they aren't really good at understanding America.
00:14:13.040 Do you think Xi Jinping understands what American meme culture is?
00:14:18.000 Do you think he even knows what a meme is?
00:14:19.520 He might not.
00:14:20.080 And China's own censorship in China is imperfect and extremely brute force.
00:14:27.460 They just have to blanket ban things because that's what they're able to do.
00:14:31.840 And then there's some stuff with AI.
00:14:33.720 And AI is very good at flagging, let's say, oh, find anything that looks like Winnie the Pooh and delete it because it's making fun of Xi Jinping.
00:14:42.360 But it's not very good at deducing that Winnie the Pooh is a meme in the first place.
00:14:48.240 You would need someone else to figure that out.
00:14:50.080 So, Jack, split the tie here.
00:14:52.560 Does the CCP, are they in favor of manipulating the algorithm to try to push trans content or just, let's say, the more left wing stuff that we see?
00:15:02.220 I think that it's probably overstated.
00:15:08.280 And this is what I said initially.
00:15:09.820 I don't think Xi Jinping is sitting there or that the Chinese Communist Party have a direct outlet that is focused on manipulating the algorithm.
00:15:19.260 What I do think that they're doing is those intelligence agencies and those intelligence services are using it for those purposes, using it for data collection purposes, reading messages that people are writing on there.
00:15:29.880 If you're, you know, son or daughter or even a high-level, high-profile individual, high-value target, whatever you call it, is using the app, then they're certainly going to be using that.
00:15:42.380 But as far as their algorithm, unfortunately, I think that, number one, they're definitely not trying to make it positive.
00:15:49.960 But I do think that there's something that Blake is pointing out here that I think gets maybe to the heart of why we don't like TikTok.
00:15:57.780 And that's because so many of the users in the United States on TikTok are searching for those things because those things are becoming so popular.
00:16:06.560 And because more people are searching for them, then it's becoming, you know, this sort of like negative feedback loop, a toxic feedback loop, because this is what they know, quote unquote, does well on TikTok.
00:16:19.680 But it's not necessarily because the CCP wants it to, even though, of course, it is to the CCP's interest.
00:16:24.820 I think, unfortunately, it's the United States and the culture, the youth culture and the just really culture of degeneracy in this country that that has taken so much hold.
00:16:34.680 Final thoughts, then let's get to one of our partners here.
00:16:37.540 It reminds me a lot of a lot of conservatives know this video.
00:16:41.280 It's the former KGB guy describing how you would undermine America.
00:16:46.400 And a lot of people see this and think, oh, that means all the things I don't like are a KGB plot.
00:16:51.120 And the answer really is if the KGB was involved in that, they just saw something that was already happening and they amplified it and probably not that effective.
00:16:58.980 Yes.
00:16:59.220 The real truth is, is we're looking at the mirror and not liking what we see and we're deciding like, oh, the Chinese did this. 1.00
00:17:06.420 And mostly we do it to ourselves.
00:17:08.680 And if we want to ban TikTok because the CCP is bad and we should take an asset away from them, that's fine.
00:17:14.520 But I don't think it's really going to fix any of the problems socially that we attribute to TikTok.
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00:18:12.620 What do we have next?
00:18:13.120 Aaron Rodgers for Vice President.
00:18:16.520 So this just broke on, I believe, late Monday, or maybe it was Tuesday, that this is in the New York Times.
00:18:26.680 Aaron Rodgers and Jesse Ventura, top RFK juniors, list for running mate candidates, basically.
00:18:33.280 I think that Aaron Rodgers would be brilliant.
00:18:35.260 You get 20 million eyeballs every single Sunday during election season, and I just think it would be brilliant.
00:18:43.120 I think...
00:18:43.740 What am I missing here?
00:18:45.340 I don't think it would boost his actual take in the November elections, and then I do wonder who it would draw more of.
00:18:52.920 I think it would take him under 1% of the vote.
00:18:54.620 I think it would actually hurt Trump more than Biden.
00:18:56.520 What do you think, Tyler?
00:18:57.180 Oh, for sure.
00:18:58.700 It doesn't help us.
00:19:01.400 Do you think Aaron Rodgers would do it?
00:19:03.900 Leverage it?
00:19:04.480 I don't think so.
00:19:05.400 I don't think the Jets would, like, the Jets might sue or something.
00:19:08.100 They'd release him.
00:19:09.020 I don't think the Jets...
00:19:09.780 You think so?
00:19:09.900 The Jets would have to take all that dead cap money.
00:19:12.220 I think they might just have to have to grit it out. 0.99
00:19:14.320 Suck it up? 1.00
00:19:15.140 What are they paying him, 30 or 40 million a year now? 1.00
00:19:17.500 Something like that, yeah.
00:19:18.840 They'd release him or binge him.
00:19:19.980 You think so?
00:19:20.500 I just, I can't imagine that.
00:19:21.780 It'd be too expensive.
00:19:22.600 They went all in on Rodgers, and then he got hurt.
00:19:25.560 Back to Zach Wilson, everybody.
00:19:27.600 I just can't imagine them doing that.
00:19:29.020 That'd be a...
00:19:29.700 It'd be very funny.
00:19:30.720 I want it to happen just because it would be extremely entertaining, and that's a good
00:19:35.100 rule for what to do in politics these days.
00:19:38.200 Part of the fun, by the way, the Daily Beast reports today, Aaron Rodgers was on another
00:19:42.680 ayahuasca vacation.
00:19:44.540 Another?
00:19:44.880 Yes.
00:19:45.140 You've got to watch out.
00:19:45.780 In Costa Rica.
00:19:46.920 We should do a thought crime on ayahuasca.
00:19:48.480 Yeah.
00:19:49.080 It's not good.
00:19:49.720 Stay away from that stuff.
00:19:49.880 When the news broke, he apparently was blindsided by the New York Times piece.
00:19:54.020 He had no idea it was coming up.
00:19:55.680 He thought he was still on his trip.
00:19:56.920 According to NFL punter Pat McAfee, who has that show now, the world found out while that
00:20:10.160 man was in Costa Rica ready to sit with the medicine, as he calls it, and McAfee said
00:20:18.300 he spoke with a source about the situation, implying the source was Rodgers himself, and
00:20:22.800 said he is not 100% sure that the quarterback for the New York Jets necessarily knew the
00:20:28.560 New York Times was going to be reporting that he was potentially going to be vice president.
00:20:33.660 You guys realize, like, and again, I like Aaron Rodgers.
00:20:37.540 I like him.
00:20:38.440 I like him a lot.
00:20:39.220 I didn't know he had three Achilles heels here, but like, this is, do you understand out
00:20:45.540 of the woodwork, and again, everybody we know gets their entire life completely investigated.
00:20:51.940 The stuff that professional athletes have in their skeletons in their closet is beyond
00:20:58.040 any normal citizen on Earth, and we just let it go, but when you run for president and vice
00:21:03.780 president, those things aren't let go.
00:21:06.560 It will make Trump's, the stuff that they, the skeletons they pull out on Trump look like
00:21:10.340 nothing.
00:21:10.700 Well, with the key difference that, I think we can agree, at the least, RFK is not going
00:21:15.580 to be elected president.
00:21:16.960 He's not polling anywhere.
00:21:18.320 No, but he could decide the next president.
00:21:19.620 He could, if he's polling high.
00:21:21.840 I just, my, the reason I don't think it would boost his candidacy is, I think it would create
00:21:27.180 the sense that this is all a carnival act.
00:21:29.700 It's a joke.
00:21:31.100 That's part of it.
00:21:31.800 A lot of people like Aaron Rodgers.
00:21:33.300 A lot of people agree with Aaron Rodgers.
00:21:34.760 They like that he is willing to say whatever comes to mind on McAfee's show, that he'll say
00:21:39.820 whatever about the vaccine or, or anything like that.
00:21:42.520 But there's a big leap from that to, I literally like the idea of Aaron Rodgers as second in
00:21:48.660 command of the United States of America.
00:21:51.660 And I think.
00:21:53.000 Yeah, but it's, it's a gimmick, obviously.
00:21:54.860 It's a gimmick.
00:21:55.420 Right.
00:21:55.780 Okay.
00:21:56.040 Then you have a president, a presidential candidate who's running as a gimmick.
00:21:59.880 And I think you saw that it was, I think you even saw that with Ross Perot, actually,
00:22:04.660 that it went a bit downhill as a result of that.
00:22:08.080 Like it was just perceived that he was like a little too weird and out there, even though
00:22:11.820 on policy, he had a lot of stuff to like, a lot of stuff we would agree with today.
00:22:16.620 But people do, most voters take the idea of becoming president pretty seriously.
00:22:21.780 And I think it would just make this all a huge joke if he were to do this.
00:22:26.960 So what do you think, Jack?
00:22:28.040 If Aaron Rodgers, first of all, just strategically, you could, you couldn't buy the earned media.
00:22:35.700 You couldn't buy the earned media that Aaron, because Aaron Rodgers would be on Sunday Night
00:22:40.120 Football.
00:22:40.620 They might bench him.
00:22:41.520 You're right.
00:22:41.840 They might release him because he would hijack like the, the prime time of the prime time.
00:22:46.340 He would wear just like a Rogers Kennedy, like socks or whatever.
00:22:50.720 Okay.
00:22:51.160 But before I get to that, we got to play cut 80.
00:22:52.860 Then I want Jack's reaction.
00:22:54.320 Well, there's, there's ideas that some of the noises from the dolphins when they love
00:22:58.780 making the frequency of that is actually healing to the body.
00:23:02.920 So I guess, what is this?
00:23:06.220 I believe Aaron Rodgers listened to dolphin sex sounds to heal his injuries because the
00:23:12.620 frequency aids the healing process.
00:23:14.340 That's when McAfee was at Boulder when people thought Deion Sanders was a good coach.
00:23:17.820 Well, he's not allowed to go on McAfee anymore.
00:23:19.400 No, but by the way, McAfee brought him back.
00:23:21.120 They brought, I think they brought him back.
00:23:22.240 Oh, did they?
00:23:22.880 Or at least, are you sure?
00:23:24.580 I thought he was banned from McAfee.
00:23:25.720 I thought he was banned.
00:23:26.980 I thought they said no, but I actually have a theory about this entire thing.
00:23:30.400 I think this is all a plant to get, to make Kennedy look more conservative by, by the liberal
00:23:38.260 media.
00:23:38.740 That could be.
00:23:39.620 And this is entirely, none of this is true.
00:23:41.800 Like Jesse Ventura, like, like, like literally, uh, Aaron Rodgers is just people that have
00:23:47.860 agreed publicly that are liked more by conservatives and they're trying to give Kennedy and Kennedy
00:23:55.020 might even take the bait with this thing.
00:23:56.740 Right.
00:23:57.360 Which is like, Oh, I need to have someone more conservative as my VP.
00:24:01.220 Jack.
00:24:01.720 Sorry.
00:24:02.080 It's hard when you're this, this remote set up.
00:24:04.840 Go ahead, Jack.
00:24:05.560 The floor is yours.
00:24:08.040 Yeah.
00:24:08.440 I mean, it's not like we were, you know, interview people or whatever.
00:24:11.200 Um, so when we, um, when, when you look at this question with Aaron Rodgers, I just don't
00:24:16.940 know that he would do it to be honest.
00:24:18.340 Like it just doesn't seem like it's something that he would be interested in, you know, that
00:24:23.400 much.
00:24:23.860 It's obviously not a huge part of his life politics.
00:24:27.000 I mean, he's done some podcasts, he's done some stuff, but that's, that's really it.
00:24:29.800 He's never really run for anything.
00:24:31.400 And, you know, I think when people first get involved in something like this, uh, they
00:24:34.520 realize how nasty it is and they just don't want to get into it.
00:24:36.840 But then, you know, what I thought was really interesting though, if you actually read through
00:24:40.280 the report, there were two other names that they mentioned that again, according to sources,
00:24:44.660 um, that, uh, RFK had reached out to one of which was Rand Paul.
00:24:50.400 Um, and apparently one of Rand's, uh, strategists is also working as a consultant for RFK's campaign.
00:24:57.360 Obviously there's a lot of connective tissue and where those guys stand on a number of
00:25:00.580 issues.
00:25:01.560 And, um, and apparently they had had some conversations.
00:25:04.280 Rand Paul though came out unequivocally and said, I don't want to get involved with the
00:25:07.720 campaign.
00:25:08.280 And another person they had been apparently, uh, was, and again, this, you know, if we were,
00:25:13.860 if we trust, you know, the NBC reporting here, but, um, Tulsi Gabbard was apparently being
00:25:19.660 vetted at one point by RFK, but she has now pulled out of that.
00:25:25.120 And as we all know, uh, has been getting a little bit closer to the Trump camp, um, holding
00:25:30.600 a meeting with president Trump at some point over the past year.
00:25:33.880 Um, she's, she was at Mar-a-Lago, I think like last night or the night before for a, not
00:25:38.100 a Trump fundraiser, but a separate fundraiser.
00:25:40.200 Um, but you know, it's, it's very interesting kind of seeing some of these names in the
00:25:45.200 mix in this VP race that could go for Kennedy and then potentially use that as a way to kind
00:25:52.560 of springboard over to Trump to hear, oh, you know, it's, it's kind of like when you're,
00:25:56.460 when you're trying to play one employer after another, get a higher salary.
00:25:59.860 It's like, oh, I might go to Kennedy, but I could come over here.
00:26:01.920 So I don't know.
00:26:02.800 Here's the problem, Charlie, that Kennedy has, and it's the problem for all of us actually
00:26:07.720 to be, to be perfectly square is that all of the polling is showing that Kennedy's dividing
00:26:13.500 the Biden independent support and not really pulling enough from the Trump independent
00:26:19.640 support.
00:26:20.660 So Trump's number on independence is like 40% on most of the polling that we're seeing,
00:26:26.520 uh, where he's pulling 40, uh, within a two way race, you know, Trump may win that, but
00:26:33.420 it's, it's clearly he's pulling more from the Biden independent source.
00:26:38.120 So the way that if I, if I'm just like a, just a very novice, you know, political, you
00:26:44.340 know, onlooker here with, with Kennedy, it's like, well, I need to pull more independence
00:26:49.240 first from Trump in order to have any kind of shot at winning.
00:26:53.740 And then I need to obviously pull more Republicans.
00:26:55.860 If I'm not pulling more independence, conservative independence, I'm definitely not going to pull
00:26:59.880 more conservatives in general.
00:27:01.240 It sounds like a gimmick, but if it happens, I think that I disagree. 0.97
00:27:05.760 I think, I don't think it would be 1%, but I mean, it would be stupid for RFK in the sense 0.78
00:27:10.140 if you want people to take your ticket like super seriously, it would be probably smarter
00:27:15.080 for RFK to pick.
00:27:16.240 Let's think who it would be smart.
00:27:17.560 Like if we were to give him another person named in the article is Yang.
00:27:21.760 Andrew Yang would be interesting.
00:27:23.280 That doesn't pull conservatives though.
00:27:25.120 That like to that point that I'm saying is like, he's looking at it and going to the prism
00:27:29.040 of polling of, oh my gosh, I'm not winning enough conservatives.
00:27:33.000 Think about, so who else would be like a top level free thinker?
00:27:38.220 Just think of who goes on Joe Rogan.
00:27:40.460 It's basically how we, I mean, Joe Rogan.
00:27:42.560 Yeah.
00:27:43.180 Joe Rogan wouldn't do it.
00:27:46.160 Trying to think.
00:27:47.000 The problem with the conservative movement is now is like for him, it doesn't buy him
00:27:52.340 anything to play with like the, the establishment, you know, arm because the establishment arm
00:27:58.660 is effectively in the Republican side is effectively supporting Biden.
00:28:02.280 So he can't pull anyone.
00:28:03.700 And then anyone that's not in the establishment arm doesn't want to cross Trump.
00:28:07.840 So this is part of the problem.
00:28:09.420 And it's interesting just because he's a, he kind of is appealing to moderates, but then
00:28:17.020 his kind of big distinct issue is obviously the vaccine stuff.
00:28:21.480 And so you could think, oh, should he try to get a mainstream politician?
00:28:25.300 Like what if he grabbed mansion or something and played to the middle, but all of that would
00:28:29.580 then go against everything he's done in terms of his advocacy on more eccentric issues.
00:28:35.340 So yeah, maybe it's going to end up being Aaron Rodgers.
00:28:38.320 Apparently, according to the times, Kennedy Rogers got registered on GoDaddy last week.
00:28:43.880 Oh, I'm sure somebody, I'm sure somebody saw someone, someone knew it was someone at
00:28:48.040 the New York times.
00:28:50.900 I mean, I, I think Kennedy's best move, if you were wanting to split conservatives and
00:28:57.640 I, I really, I hate saying this in public cause I don't, I just don't want to give them
00:29:00.880 ideas.
00:29:01.260 I don't want to give people, I don't like putting things into the ether, but, um, I think
00:29:04.900 the smartest move is, is to pick up, uh, like a libertarian-esque, like someone legitimate
00:29:11.900 though.
00:29:12.240 That was like a former governor.
00:29:13.280 Like if, if, in this situation, like Gary Johnson, if, if, if this was years ago, right.
00:29:18.740 And Gary Johnson hadn't already run and destroyed his political career and destroyed his political
00:29:22.240 career.
00:29:22.580 If this was like a Kennedy and Johnson never run type situation, that's a little bit scary.
00:29:26.940 Or Kennedy, Ron Paul.
00:29:28.460 Yeah.
00:29:28.700 Or Kennedy, Ron Paul, right?
00:29:30.020 Like that would be.
00:29:30.940 If we de-age Ron Paul.
00:29:32.160 You know what I'm saying.
00:29:32.500 It's like 90 now, right?
00:29:33.500 But just the premise of it, like, is like, that's what's probably most frightening to
00:29:37.820 splitting the vote.
00:29:38.700 Cause then that basically legitimizes in a significant way.
00:29:41.800 It turns the independent run that is lean Democrat, tilt Democrat, to like a tilt maybe
00:29:46.940 libertarian.
00:29:47.160 That's what he's thinking though.
00:29:48.320 He's thinking towards tilt libertarian.
00:29:51.020 Which is why Jesse Ventura is on the table.
00:29:52.600 And make no mistake, this, this will probably not be the last time RFK runs for president.
00:29:55.660 He'll probably do this two or three more times and build a, try to build a coalition each
00:29:59.560 time and name ID.
00:30:00.960 And by the way, final thing I'll say on RFK before we get to Noble Gold, RFK was not platformed
00:30:06.000 on major news networks.
00:30:07.060 He was kind of a laughingstock, just thought on the vaccine issue.
00:30:10.420 I mean, he has, he's like totally changed his persona.
00:30:14.800 He's taken seriously.
00:30:15.600 He's more viral, more, you know, well-known.
00:30:18.600 So it's been a total win.
00:30:19.720 I mean, he's kind of a guy that will never stop running for president, right?
00:30:22.880 I mean, he's just the guy that.
00:30:23.700 2028.
00:30:24.300 2028.
00:30:25.380 Yeah, go ahead, Jeff.
00:30:26.260 2028 is going to be open seat.
00:30:28.160 Yeah.
00:30:28.660 No, I know.
00:30:29.200 So, I mean, if you're RFK, you know, you're not, you don't become president in this cycle.
00:30:32.280 You might win 10 million votes or 15 million votes and you call it a start, right?
00:30:35.940 You just keep on the small dollar donation army and you just keep on doing interviews.
00:30:39.860 You know what I mean?
00:30:40.760 You just kind of keep on doing interviews.
00:30:43.040 Okay.
00:30:43.320 Boeing.
00:30:44.280 Was he murdered?
00:30:46.880 Well, just talking about Boeing in general, I have to be very careful when I talk about airlines
00:30:50.540 and pilots.
00:30:51.800 That's fair.
00:30:52.400 They just keep making themselves.
00:30:55.160 Who knows, Jack?
00:30:55.700 I said things, I guess, that were too true. 0.98
00:30:57.220 Yeah.
00:30:57.500 So the news story here is there is a whistleblower against Boeing who was in a lawsuit with them,
00:31:05.520 had just recently given testimony in a deposition for his case against them.
00:31:11.200 He was scheduled to give more last Saturday.
00:31:14.420 And then he was found dead in the parking lot of a Holiday Inn with a bullet wound in
00:31:21.160 the head, which had proven fatal.
00:31:23.040 And in fact, already the CEO of Boeing has come out and delivered a public statement about
00:31:29.320 this.
00:31:29.800 Let's play clip 90.
00:31:31.020 I can't believe you committed suicide.
00:31:34.780 I cannot believe you committed suicide.
00:31:38.280 How could you have done this?
00:31:39.900 How could you have committed suicide?
00:31:42.240 What is that from?
00:31:43.460 It's from some bad movie in 2011 or so.
00:31:46.040 But obviously it's very similar to what the reaction of Lewis.
00:31:49.760 It's some guy who's in a centric who makes bad movies, but I don't want to get too far
00:31:55.400 into that.
00:31:56.020 But obviously that's the reaction of a lot of people.
00:31:58.880 You can probably guess what my unpopular reaction is going to be.
00:32:02.040 And all the comments are going to call me Boeing Blake over it.
00:32:04.960 But I suspect he wasn't murdered by Boeing.
00:32:08.460 Why do you immediately go to the normie explanation?
00:32:11.200 I'm not saying you're wrong.
00:32:12.080 Normie explanations are usually true.
00:32:14.340 Are they in like modern time?
00:32:16.660 Yeah, I'd say so.
00:32:17.520 I can name three examples where that wasn't the case.
00:32:19.680 Can you name three examples of whistleblowers getting murdered?
00:32:22.880 Vince Foster.
00:32:23.620 Do you think he killed himself?
00:32:25.680 Probably.
00:32:27.200 Do I think the Clintons murdered him?
00:32:28.800 Is that the question?
00:32:30.020 Vince Foster.
00:32:31.180 I don't know all the details on it, but at least I got you to pause.
00:32:34.660 I don't see why it'd be weird for a guy to basically kill himself or turn into a wreck
00:32:39.260 and die. 0.95
00:32:39.740 I got you to pause.
00:32:40.780 So just on this example.
00:32:42.460 Did Epstein kill himself?
00:32:43.980 Maybe.
00:32:44.680 Probably.
00:32:45.280 No way.
00:32:47.320 I don't know.
00:32:48.140 No.
00:32:48.340 And even if he didn't, it's like Epstein being an actual intelligence operative potentially
00:32:54.140 with possibly multiple countries.
00:32:56.500 There's way more layers.
00:32:57.820 Like this actually ropes in people who would both have a reason to kill him and the means
00:33:03.080 to do it.
00:33:03.680 Boeing or Epstein?
00:33:04.840 With Epstein.
00:33:05.560 Oh, okay.
00:33:05.840 So Epstein, it's like, okay, if he was with Mossad, Mossad actually does kill people.
00:33:09.300 We know they've killed people.
00:33:10.660 I'm just trying to see the line of blaze.
00:33:11.960 But with Boeing, here's what I'll say.
00:33:13.360 I looked into this when the news broke.
00:33:15.920 And yes, he was a Boeing whistleblower.
00:33:18.100 That is true.
00:33:19.040 But they say, oh, he was giving testimony against Boeing.
00:33:21.740 Well, in what?
00:33:22.840 In a lawsuit that he brought against Boeing.
00:33:25.300 It is a wrongful.
00:33:26.100 Look at your new title.
00:33:26.860 Of course.
00:33:27.720 It is a wrongful termination lawsuit.
00:33:30.620 Or I think it was a retaliation lawsuit.
00:33:32.760 He's suing Boeing, saying Boeing ruined his career because he was calling out problems
00:33:38.260 with Boeing.
00:33:39.320 And he's suing them.
00:33:40.280 And he's been doing this for more than half a decade.
00:33:42.860 He, I believe, got pushed out in 17.
00:33:45.060 He's been suing them at least since 2019 because that's when he was interviewed by the BBC over
00:33:49.880 this.
00:33:50.660 He is in a long running legal battle with Boeing on a personal scale.
00:33:56.980 So this is not some trillion dollar lawsuit where if the, you know, his next day's testimony
00:34:02.060 might decide whether they're convicted or not.
00:34:03.980 It's just his personal lawsuit with them.
00:34:06.380 So in that context, it makes a lot more sense to me that this is a guy who perceives his life
00:34:13.240 as getting ruined by Boeing.
00:34:14.620 And he's been doing this for years on end.
00:34:17.000 And unfortunately, maybe this eventually, he's already a depressive.
00:34:21.160 Maybe he had substance abuse problems.
00:34:22.740 It could be any number of things.
00:34:23.820 And this culminated in him killing himself.
00:34:27.820 And no one had heard of this guy until his death.
00:34:30.880 So I guess if he also was feeling suicidal anyway, and he wanted to hurt Boeing, this
00:34:35.520 certainly is a way to do it.
00:34:36.920 Yeah, but I mean, not everybody knew who Jeffrey Epstein was before he killed himself.
00:34:40.260 Everyone knew who Jeffrey Epstein was.
00:34:42.520 Hold on.
00:34:42.760 There were memes about that.
00:34:44.460 Hold on a second.
00:34:45.360 Do you think a majority of Americans knew who Jeffrey Epstein was before he killed himself?
00:34:49.280 Yes or no?
00:34:51.240 A majority?
00:34:52.620 No.
00:34:53.240 Yeah.
00:34:53.460 Okay.
00:34:54.260 Was he pretty well-known?
00:34:57.780 Yes.
00:34:58.560 But not before the level.
00:34:59.660 It was a popular meme that he would kill himself.
00:35:01.560 Before arrest. 0.98
00:35:01.940 It was a popular meme that he would kill himself.
00:35:04.220 Remember?
00:35:04.680 Because there was like a 30-day lag between arrest.
00:35:06.280 Hillary Clinton.
00:35:06.920 Yeah.
00:35:07.540 There was a 30-60-day lag between arrest and suicide.
00:35:10.420 Epstein gradually built up in fame.
00:35:12.680 But he was 100% a big deal before his suicide.
00:35:16.640 Which is why his suicide was such a big deal in the first place.
00:35:21.160 Because people are always claiming everyone who died was actually murdered by the deep state or whatever.
00:35:26.380 So, Jack, I think, Jack, you and I, when we see stories like this, go ahead.
00:35:30.340 What was strange for me, though, what was strange for me, though, was that, you know, I was reading the news, and apparently over in Russia, there was a whistleblower of the Russian, I think, Aeroflot is their big, you know, communist airliner or whatever.
00:35:46.860 And they had a whistleblower, and their whistleblower was found shot in the head as well by Vladimir Putin, who was standing there with a smoking gun.
00:35:59.500 And so, clearly, clearly, there's just an epidemic of suicides going on.
00:36:03.220 The other one I thought of was, what if it wasn't suicide?
00:36:07.100 What if he had actually just ridden a Boeing plane recently and fell out?
00:36:11.280 Yeah.
00:36:11.680 So, this is getting bad.
00:36:12.960 Every day, there's a Boeing problem.
00:36:14.500 I do wonder about that.
00:36:15.820 Do you think it's confirmation bias?
00:36:17.960 I wonder about that, just in a sense.
00:36:19.840 Or a tire, like, hit his car.
00:36:21.680 We know there are feeding frenzy-type stories where something becomes a big deal, so they look for all of these.
00:36:27.040 Some of these are for real.
00:36:28.100 You know, window blows out, and, you know, there's a catastrophic decompression, and the plane nearly crashes, people nearly die.
00:36:34.580 That's a real story.
00:36:35.960 But a lot of these stories we've had this past week are stories like, flight out of San Francisco has minor mechanical issue, turns around and lands again.
00:36:45.360 And I think planes do that.
00:36:48.580 My gut feeling is that happens relatively often.
00:36:52.220 Just like planes turn around because they have unruly passengers.
00:36:56.160 Well, there's only really two companies that even make planes.
00:36:59.240 Airbus and Boeing.
00:36:59.520 So, it's going to be Boeing or Airbus.
00:37:01.300 And so, just from that, and I think there's more Boeings than Airbuses in the U.S.
00:37:05.440 But I think a lot of them were 737s, right?
00:37:07.720 For sure, yes.
00:37:08.660 The 737 Max.
00:37:09.960 The 737 has real issues.
00:37:11.700 I don't disagree with that.
00:37:12.420 737 Max.
00:37:12.820 Yeah.
00:37:13.600 There are real issues, real safety concerns.
00:37:16.080 Didn't they say they used, like, hand sanitizer or something to, like...
00:37:19.160 Yes, they audited after that decompression incident.
00:37:22.260 They did a quick audit, and they found that out of, I think, 96 processes or so, I think 31 of them, they failed.
00:37:29.340 And two of the most notable things they saw is they were using dish soap as an emergency lubricant.
00:37:34.640 And they were using, like, a credit card, a plastic credit card, as a tool in some capacity.
00:37:40.340 So, this is something in their factories.
00:37:43.120 And the big picture here that I think is interesting is everyone's debating what's causing the decline of Boeing.
00:37:50.100 And it's not the easiest thing to answer.
00:37:52.760 Now, an obvious thing to blame is DEI.
00:37:55.920 I don't think...
00:37:56.560 I think you can very reasonably blame that.
00:37:58.060 That's a variable.
00:37:58.740 They're a loud...
00:37:59.540 They're a very loud pro-DEI company.
00:38:01.900 They made big DEI commitments in 2020.
00:38:04.980 That's not surprising because Boeing is such a big defense and government contractor.
00:38:09.060 And all of those companies just fall all over themselves to adopt whatever the Washington ideology is these days.
00:38:15.820 But it's also...
00:38:16.560 Boeing is so immense.
00:38:18.200 They're such a huge company.
00:38:19.580 They produce these products that take, you know, a decade or more to design and prototype and build.
00:38:25.760 And then they have a service life of decades on end.
00:38:30.180 So, stuff...
00:38:31.620 Boeing is very obviously going bad now.
00:38:34.540 We might be looking at things that started to go wrong 20 years ago that are really only manifesting now.
00:38:40.360 And it's interesting to look into this because one of the stories...
00:38:44.400 This is just sort of a more boring take.
00:38:46.480 But a take I've seen in a lot of places is in the mid-90s, Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas, which was another major jet manufacturer.
00:38:55.240 And what's funny is Boeing bought the company, but the sort of take from insiders is it's really more like McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing because they absorbed all of these executives from them.
00:39:07.380 And these guys were better at being executives, basically.
00:39:11.280 And so, they took over Boeing.
00:39:12.780 So, for example, the former head of McDonnell Douglas becomes Boeing's CEO in the early 2000s.
00:39:18.200 And what McDonnell Douglas was is they were not as much an engineering company.
00:39:22.920 Boeing was all West Coast, Silicon Valley, engineering.
00:39:26.440 It was an engineer-led company, very focused on the product.
00:39:29.480 McDonnell Douglas was a businessman-led company, very focused on the bottom line.
00:39:33.700 So, they spun off all of Boeing's operations.
00:39:36.860 So, now their planes aren't built by Boeing and Boeing factories.
00:39:40.620 Instead, Boeing is just assembling parts made by 500 different contractors and subcontractors.
00:39:45.460 And there's a lot of reason to believe this is what ruined Boeing is they spun off everything that they controlled themselves and they ruined their culture of perfectionism.
00:39:54.980 And now we have this company that slaps things together and, you know, thinking, eh, you know, 99% certainty is pretty good.
00:40:01.960 And then they start having all these problems.
00:40:05.260 Final thoughts on this topic, Jack.
00:40:08.560 I think that's a huge part of it.
00:40:10.260 And, and, and, and, and by the way, we really should be asking questions as to Nikki Haley's role or whatever role she played into this, the move from, from the Seattle area to South Carolina.
00:40:22.140 Obviously, Nikki Haley played a huge part in that. 1.00
00:40:24.500 That's what won her the board seat on, on Boeing.
00:40:28.200 And so, why is it that we have this politician who was running for president and yet there was no question about it whatsoever?
00:40:34.820 The media didn't bring it up.
00:40:36.400 I don't even really remember Trump bringing it up that much.
00:40:38.840 And frankly, I think it's something that when we do have politicians that are this clearly bought off by one of these failing companies like this, we should be asking those questions.
00:40:47.160 And especially with Boeing, in, in many ways, similar to Aeroflot and similar to what we were saying about TikTok, Boeing is by and large a state-owned or at least state-related enterprise in the United States.
00:40:58.400 And it's kind of silly that we don't talk about it like that.
00:41:00.240 Okay, next topic.
00:41:02.340 Final topic.
00:41:02.920 This one goes to Jack.
00:41:03.920 It's James K. Polk's America.
00:41:05.680 All right.
00:41:06.180 Yes, how America, Tyler has strong opinions on this too.
00:41:08.580 It's blowing up the chat.
00:41:09.200 I love this.
00:41:09.760 Jack, lead us.
00:41:11.700 Well, so this is a, this is kind of a conception that we've talked about for a long time.
00:41:15.980 And if we have the map, it's probably easier to just show it to everybody.
00:41:19.740 And so, so Polk and people remember that he was a president during the Mexican-American War.
00:41:25.620 And there was this question after the war, kind of like, what would America look like during or after the war?
00:41:33.440 America wins. 0.72
00:41:34.160 Mexico is defeated.
00:41:35.900 It's like this resounding victory.
00:41:38.560 And of course, everyone remembers or everyone knows as now.
00:41:41.300 So we get Arizona.
00:41:42.100 We get California.
00:41:42.860 We get the current borders.
00:41:43.720 We don't get Baja, California.
00:41:46.520 Polk at one point was actually calling for full on, right?
00:41:50.140 Full on Baja, California, the entire northern half of Mexico, the island of Cuba, the Yucatan Peninsula, though notably and perhaps presciently not Haiti.
00:42:05.380 So the question is not necessarily so much.
00:42:08.240 And there's a long conversation that we had offline, you know, kind of about like what would the politics of the region have been had this actually gone forward?
00:42:16.340 But there is a sense, I think, as well of why is it that we as Americans just limit ourselves to thinking that, oh, well, you know, this is where the border is and this is where this treaty was and that's the end of it.
00:42:29.560 And we sort of lost that spirit, that pioneering spirit of Manifest Destiny.
00:42:33.680 I mean, why did Manifest Destiny have to stop?
00:42:35.840 And is that a good thing?
00:42:37.400 Tyler, you have strong opinions about this, about what could have been in the American Southwest.
00:42:41.060 Yeah, I mean, we talk about this all the time, you know, in the Gadsden Purchase, we should have acquired more of Mexico.
00:42:50.300 And the history is pretty simple.
00:42:53.060 Most Americans actually don't know this history at all.
00:42:55.520 The Mexican armies were horrible. 1.00
00:42:59.020 You know, they pillaged, raped, killed most. 0.93
00:43:02.060 I mean, the episode, it's so funny because you see the Marxists today in California, Arizona, talk about how like, oh, indigenous people. 0.66
00:43:13.140 And they loop in, you know.
00:43:15.460 That's like La Raza, right?
00:43:17.180 Hispanic people. 0.99
00:43:18.360 It's like actually the historic Hispanic peoples of Mexico raped and pillaged and killed so many Native Americans. 0.95
00:43:27.820 And actually, the only saving grace was that a lot of, in Arizona, in Arizona history, you know, white pioneers came to Arizona and actually defended some of the Native American tribes from other tribes and from the Mexican armies and pushed them back. 0.63
00:43:41.900 And then that led to the Mexican-American War and yada, yada, yada, yada.
00:43:44.340 But that, fast forward to this whole concept is like, should we have acquired Baja California?
00:43:50.240 Should we have more of Sonora and Chihuahua?
00:43:52.880 And the answer is yes.
00:43:55.740 Like, the reason, why shouldn't we have taken on more?
00:43:59.300 Think about all that prime real estate in Baja California.
00:44:03.100 And the big question is today is if we had Baja California, would that be a more conservative version of California?
00:44:08.820 Would California be less liberal because of that?
00:44:11.620 You know, I don't know.
00:44:12.840 I don't even know if you need to think of it in terms of liberal conservative today.
00:44:17.060 This is a controversial way of framing it, but one of the simplest ways of putting it is, would it have been better for the inhabitants of Chihuahua, Sonora, Sinaloa?
00:44:27.320 Those are all of those states that you can see on the screen are the northern parts of these are all the northern states of Mexico.
00:44:34.460 At the time when this war was being fought, those were almost, I don't want to say totally empty, but they were very lightly populated.
00:44:41.700 I checked a census for Mexico around 1900, and you're looking at about maybe a million people across all those territories, and that's 50 years later.
00:44:50.220 So 50 years before that, it's probably under half a million.
00:44:53.120 And so if those areas had been part of the United States, then they would have had the benefit of United States government, United States stability, United States settlement patterns.
00:45:03.580 Instead, they were in Mexico, and if you read a history of Mexico, it's really bad.
00:45:08.100 Mexico is just entirely drenched.
00:45:10.720 You're big on this.
00:45:11.160 Yeah, I just read it recently.
00:45:12.560 The book was titled Fire and Blood, which tells you everything you need to know about its contents.
00:45:17.460 Mexico is an enormously unstable country.
00:45:20.040 It's an enormously violent country to the extent Mexico is viable at all. 0.99
00:45:24.880 It's mostly just because it's adjacent to this huge economic power of the United States to somewhat keep it viable as a country and not totally disintegrating into warlords like it's some medieval state.
00:45:40.960 And so you think in terms of would it have just been better if the United States, the stronger country, had been running those areas?
00:45:48.400 And it's awkward because you don't like to just say, oh, we should just kick in the door and take stuff over.
00:45:52.780 But that is basically what we did for California, Texas, Colorado, New Mexico.
00:45:57.560 And would you rather live in California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, or would you rather live in Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez in those places?
00:46:07.860 And, well, Ciudad Juarez has its ups and downs, but most years it's one of the deadliest cities on planet Earth.
00:46:15.380 What could have been?
00:46:16.720 You know, all right.
00:46:17.620 Yeah, final thought, Jack.
00:46:19.480 No, I was just going to throw out there.
00:46:21.240 Blake, have you ever heard the story about when L. Ron Hubbard was in the Navy and accidentally invaded Mexico?
00:46:27.620 I have not.
00:46:28.500 Yes, the L. Ron Hubbard, who the founder of Scientology, he was in the Navy.
00:46:35.740 He was supposed to be doing this escort of a new aircraft carrier out of San Diego with, like, this little picket ship, which had, like, actual shells and artillery on it and all this other stuff.
00:46:47.740 And he accidentally went, his navigation was not so great, and so he actually went south of the border there in, like, 1940s, like, during World War II, goes south of the maritime border and ends up on the Mexican side.
00:47:03.140 And, like, the Mexican Navy, this is, like, south of Coronado Island and all that, the Mexican Navy actually sailed up.
00:47:09.060 He's like, excuse me, what is going on here?
00:47:12.440 And, you know.
00:47:13.140 It's kind of amazing.
00:47:14.440 And the whole story of L. Ron Hubbard is incredible.
00:47:17.160 We just mentioned McDonnell Douglas, and in L. Ron Hubbard's Cosmology for Scientology, it was Douglas DC-8s that brought the alien souls to Earth.
00:47:26.740 It was the DC-8s, yes.
00:47:28.080 Douglas DC-8s were to drop the souls into the volcano before they were blown up with atomic bombs.
00:47:33.140 Well, the Phaetans. 0.93
00:47:34.560 The Phaetans, is that what it was?
00:47:35.640 Yeah.
00:47:36.020 We are all Phaetans.
00:47:37.020 We are all Phaetans in Scientology.
00:47:39.020 Yeah, we're all Phaetans inside.
00:47:40.300 A Phaeton is a human. 1.00
00:47:43.320 So Phaetans are what we're in this? 0.97
00:47:45.020 No, it's the same thing.
00:47:45.660 A Phaeton is a human body.
00:47:47.160 Okay.
00:47:47.840 But I think we also have the alien spirits in us, so you want to get rid of them. 0.56
00:47:51.120 A Phaeton is the shell.
00:47:52.180 Yes.
00:47:52.720 So it all circles back to Scientology.
00:47:56.120 That said, I have a problem with that, Matt, before we go.
00:47:58.320 One, we should definitely not take Cancun.
00:48:00.080 If it had been part of Baja California, then he wouldn't have accidentally invaded Mexico, which means he wouldn't, his Navy service may have been better, which means we may not have gotten Scientology if James Polka got in his way.
00:48:11.820 Would have been a win.
00:48:12.820 But the point, the bigger picture for today is we should aspire to a grand, greater America, and that's why we should buy Greenland from Denmark.
00:48:20.920 Yes.
00:48:21.400 And we should annex Antarctica.
00:48:24.820 Hard to disagree.
00:48:25.920 Greenland, 100% Republican state, by the way.
00:48:28.300 All right.
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