THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 36 — SUPER TUESDAY SUPER STREAM
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Jack and Jack are joined by Charlie Kirk and Tyler Boyer to discuss a variety of topics, including the latest in the 2020 Democratic primary election, the rise of the "Uncommitted" movement, and much, much more!
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DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.
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Charlie Kirk is on his way, but with me now are currently our Blake Neff.
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Tyler, who has, I wouldn't necessarily say shaved, but he at least shaved his mustache.
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Yeah, I haven't had a mustache for a while, but I got a haircut yesterday.
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That wasn't one of your kids doing that, like in the, okay.
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I'll just throw out real quick, because it is breaking news.
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President Trump held a meeting at Mar-a-Lago on Sunday down there in Palm Beach with Elon Musk.
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We're going to have more exclusive details on that very soon.
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So Robinson once said that transgender women should be arrested for using the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity and suggesting that they should go outside instead.
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Charlie was going outside because of his gender identity.
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Yeah, so interestingly enough, I was listening to MSNBC on the way in.
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I got stuck in terrible Phoenix traffic, and all they were talking about is the North Carolina governor's race.
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They haven't elected a Republican governor in quite some time.
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And by the way, they were if I was Mark Robinson, I would sue MSNBC.
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They kept on saying Mark Robinson's a Holocaust denier.
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Did I because I was just reading the ABC hit piece against him, and that's not here.
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They've got a bunch of stuff, but that's not on this particular scattershot.
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So, of course, by the way, we haven't even started talking about Kyrsten Sinema not running in Arizona.
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Yeah, so we're going to find out a lot about tonight, but in Minnesota, Blake,
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the uncommitted movement, can you explain our audience about this?
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A lot of Arabs, a lot of Muslims, a lot of Muslim community there.
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All right, so obviously this all stems from the war in Gaza.
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Biden has stepped up pretty strongly in support of Israel and sending them money,
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sending them some weapons, sending them support, and that's really alienated the more left-wing
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part of the Democratic Party, the younger factions of the Democratic Party, and of course, this
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not large, but substantive part of the Democratic Party that is Muslim now.
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And that's especially the case in, as you say, Michigan, Minnesota, a few other states.
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None of them have tons, but it's a few percent.
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They had an effort to vote for none of the above, basically, in Michigan.
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I can't remember the exact wording they used, but basically, don't vote for Biden, even though
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And they're doing the same thing now in Minnesota.
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And the goal is to send a message, hey, there are a lot of people on the left who oppose what
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He should be putting more pressure on Israel to end the conflict.
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And they got about 14%, I believe, 13 or 14% in Michigan.
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I think if they could get a similar number in Minnesota, that would definitely get them
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The question, of course, is, will these people refuse to vote in the general election?
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And it also just, when you're having this sort of problem, even, it creates a bad vibe
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And that can be really devastating when you're the incumbent president and trying to rally
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And I think these things are very hard to measure, perhaps impossible, but they definitely
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That's going to affect, are we going to be able, are we going to have all the volunteers
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we need, are people going to put in that effort if they are tired on election day?
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And if the vibe around Biden is just bad and everyone's mad about this or that, he's not
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So, Tyler, are we seeing currently more base enthusiasm for Donald Trump or for Joe Biden?
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That sounds like a simple question to answer, but given their ability to mobilize on the
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abortion issue, the ability to micro-target, who has the base advantage right now?
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The Democrats right now are micro-targeting like crazy to their base.
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And they've been doing this now since 2008, since 2007, right?
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So, you know, when people, we talk, we have this conversation pretty frequently with people
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It's not because of the actual fight over abortion.
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We have, you know, arguably, I mean, look at polls.
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Polling in a lot of states, we have more pro-life people than there are pro-choice people.
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There's nothing wrong with standing on the pro-life issue.
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The reason why Democrats attack the pro-choice issue is because it's the number one issue with
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low-propensity voters as a single-issue vote, right?
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And so when you talk about micro-targeting, when you're trying to micro-target into a
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community and get low propensity or less likely voters to vote, if you knock on the
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door and you have nothing else to talk about, what's the go-to for them?
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So if you talk about abortion more often, it's going to be the easier go-to.
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Our side has walked away for some reason from the Second Amendment.
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We have to look at the abortion issue and say, okay, what are going to be the single-issue
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voter issues for us and walk back towards those as the fallback specifically with low-propensity
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And we have to look at the community of less likely or low-propensity voters and say, what
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Well, again, when you talk about moms and dads, what do they care about?
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When you look at the Virginia thing, it really had nothing to do with Glenn Youngkin, in my
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So you think that we need to do a better job of creating low-propensity pressure cooker
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issues that can win over low-prop, and we unintentionally stumbled into it in Virginia.
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The trans issue became a triumphant over the abortion issue.
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It applies for everything, every election moving forward, especially when you're targeting
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nothing but low-propensity voters, which the left is doing.
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The left has said, Charlie is a high-propensity independent voter.
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I'm not going to talk to him ever because the likelihood of me changing his mind is low because
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he's probably already made up his mind six months ago.
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Yes, and the credit goes to Libza TikTok, to Dr. Miriam Grossman, to Matt Walsh, a little
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When we talk about the emotionality, so abortion is a toughie for us because it involves something
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that you have or you think you have being taken by an external force.
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Now, again, abortion is the quote-unquote ability to massacre a child, but that's how they
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They said, hey, can we talk to some Zin swing voters?
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Can I tell you one of the biggest missteps that Donald Trump made ahead of the 2020 election?
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So there was this huge issue that was happening that's very similar on the Zin front, which
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They found workarounds, obviously, that the entire lobby found workarounds.
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But didn't that hurt the black vote in particular?
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There was an article about how there was like, you know, people are rebelling against.
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Well, they tried to, a lot of places were banning menthol-flavored cigarettes.
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Honestly, someone else is going to have to answer that.
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They're nicotine pouches that you're just sticking in your lip.
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But it's basically what vape is to smoking, Zin is to chewing tobacco.
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So the Democrats, who are all about do whatever you want with your body, you can trans your kids, massacre them, put them on Lupron, hormonal practices.
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Now they're basically saying you can do all the weed you want, but we're going to come after your Zin.
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I think of like 24-year-old people that listen to Joe Rogan, white baseball players.
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So how is this a – this is a winner for us, right?
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Famously, there's one famous – I guess you could call him, I don't know, right-wing or at least right-coded influencer type host who is famous for promoting Zin.
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Zin kind of like a whole gimmick on his show almost.
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He says you get like spiritual experiences from having Zin, right?
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Tucker spent – when I was around him at least, I think he spent more on nicotine than I spent on rent.
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But nicotine has no side effects as far as I know other than positive ones.
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Showing tobacco does stimulate neurological benefits.
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Nicotine does – studies have been shown it's a stimulant that allows you to think –
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I know people who have intentionally addicted themselves to nicotine just because they think it's –
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Orwell smoked a pipe like literally all day and he died at age 48 or something.
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I know people these days who they just have, you know, those e-cigarettes or whatever.
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But the Mayans had like a tobacco energy drink kind of thing that I think we should possibly try here on the –
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Well, it's not thought crime, but here on the SuperStream audience.
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We should try to recreate that and remarket it.
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Yeah, the Mayans also did other things we're not going to do.
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Zen, okay, so Chuck U. Schumer comes out and says, I want to take Zen away.
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You're the Svengali of the Republican movement.
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So this is a – I mean, again, I'll go back to the Juul situation.
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So when Juuls and vapes were banned and meanwhile, you know, they're accessible all over the world
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and across the border and everything else in massive quantity, you know, again,
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when you take something away from a voter and the messaging –
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It becomes very personal, especially if it's a daily part of your life.
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Medicare, Social Security, right, guns, abortion.
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It would be like taking away – I mean, it would be like taking away your favorite fast food,
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you know, you're doing something like shutting down – like people are not going to respond
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And then the more people talk about it and it becomes – it's easy to turn that into a dialogue
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And so we probably don't do this enough, quite frankly.
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I mean, think about how the Democrats are banning so many different things in cities.
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I mean, we talk about it somewhat within the political circles, but it's not like massive conversations.
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Gas vehicles, gas stoves, you know, banning food, certain foods that were like considered too fat for people.
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This is the same thing when you look at jewels and vapes and zen is that people, you know,
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And people, when you start taking things away, we need to be placing that squarely on the shoulders
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And I just – the Democrats, I think, again, zen is a little bit silly, but it isn't.
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It's a strategic error because they currently have been benefiting from the – they're trying
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to take stuff away from you type of issue, right?
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And again, I don't want to go totally rural and with men.
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You know, one of the things that we hear about all the time is like, we have to win the female
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Actually, I actually – you know, of course, we have to – we want to win the female vote.
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But I think we should lean and double and triple down into the male vote.
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I think we could – I think we could do 10 points better with the male vote.
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We should triple down with the male vote and say, guess what's trying to happen – guess
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what's happening to you in your community right now?
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They're trying to take away your gas-powered vehicle.
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I just – I don't know if anyone that has a testosterone rate over 500 or 600 could vote
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I mean, if you have any sort of self-determination or awareness or grit or resolve or, I don't
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know, disagreeable attitude, who likes what's going on here?
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Like, then this is why the dude numbers are skyrocketing because people are going, wait,
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And this is the other – the counterargument actually that's like really deep that's almost
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just like built into the DNA of every human being that is an American on the abortion issue.
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Every time that they're talking about giving females more control over making determinations
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with the future of, again, families and planning, that actually is attacking males in a specific
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So that's actually – we haven't gotten deeply enough into taking away father's rights.
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We haven't talked about getting into the male rights within America and –
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Again, they're not necessarily talking about restricting it policy-wise yet, but –
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I mean, they're talking about how it's a pollutant.
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By the way, there's no evidence of that at all.
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I don't know if that's driving people's votes just yet.
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But the point is that the Democrats at the core are the – they are the party of the
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They're the party of – they're the party of just meat.
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Yeah, it's – I think one of the most strongest things here is just – oh, man.
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I sound like one of those weirdy arts guys, but, like, the vibe shift of the parties and
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the Zin thing – I don't know how many people really do it, but the attacks on it and certain
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other things the left is obsessed with pushing is the left has become this Dolores Umbridge
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They've become the party of that Colorado's –
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Blake, I just had an entire conversation about this yesterday.
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Yeah, so she was a – she's the villain of the fifth book.
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She's the villain of the fifth book and is total schoolmarm, lecturer, government bureaucrat,
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par excellence, and very much like the – that Colorado Secretary of State we saw the other
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day with those horrifying doll's eyes gazing into your soul, telling you that you need to
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fill out your paperwork and not be the insurrectionist and not be on the ballot.
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And this is the – this is – Democrats have become this type of person.
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And the truth is, is for 100 years really, the right was considered that type of person.
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You could call it the church lady stereotype, the sort of person who's prying into your
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business, making sure you're not doing a bad thing, not thinking the wrong thoughts.
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And this was a stereotype of someone who was conservative, apparently or not.
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Well, before we get into that, this is how this is going to be at the doorstep of females.
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I was talking about menstrual cups versus tampons.
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The environmentalists – this is very real for women.
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They're going to have disposable diapers taken away.
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And women need to be thinking about this as much as men do.
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Everything that they want to take away – this isn't just impacting men.
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We're talking about impacting the everyday usage stuff that makes life easy that is – not
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Who do you want Donald Trump to choose as his vice president?
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We're going to have the results and tally them up.
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Look, this is where – and we haven't talked about it a lot yet, but maybe it's a good time
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to get into it because this is where you've seen Trump start to make moves now to pick
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This is where this meeting with Elon Musk that just came out as – really as these
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results were breaking tonight, I think plays a huge role because Elon Musk, his takeover
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of X, which I'm sure, by the way, came up in any discussion that those guys were having.
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I'm sure we know that Elon wants Trump to come back very, very much.
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I'm not saying his support would be contingent on something like that.
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They just – it's like Trump built the place and then walked away.
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And it's – there's a whole – there's a very Shakespearean dynamic to the whole endeavor.
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But going to the politics of it, Elon speaks to a base of people that are your Zin voters,
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your Zinfluencers, your Joe Rogan voters, your barstool guys.
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He speaks to people that are kind of in sort of more the tech bro-coded world, the futurists.
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These people are inherently, by and large, college degree holders.
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And it represents a way for Trump to reach them in a way that he wouldn't necessarily
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be able to just going through traditional conservative media.
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And I say that, of course, as a guy who's a noted denizen of said conservative media.
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I want to tell you guys the top two vote-getters for the vice president – who do you think
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won the vice presidential poll just based on our amazing audience?
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By the way, we're going to keep – that's just as of right now.
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No, I've been at events with Vivek over the last couple of months.
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I mean people are really, really warming up to him.
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Vivek is going to come out all the way to California and speak at our investor conference
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He's nice enough to fly all the way across the country for that.
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So if you guys want to contribute to the vice presidential poll, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
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So Kirsten Sinema delivered what sounded like a gubernatorial election speech today, which was all focused on Arizona.
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She announced that she was no longer considering running for Senate.
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This has been speculated for the last number of weeks, really last couple of months, because she hadn't announced that she was going to run.
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And you need a significant amount of signatures to make the ballot in Arizona for U.S. Senate.
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And so everyone was speculating, like, how hard is it going to be for her to collect it?
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That would be really embarrassing for her not to make the ballot and decide to run.
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And so a lot of people had come to the conclusion she wasn't going to run.
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But the question, big question is, is, well, what is she doing then?
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Is she going to try to make a presidential run?
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Is she going to try to, you know, get some kind of high paid lobbying gig?
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And her speech today, to me, if you listen to her speech that she gave and she posted, so she posted on Super Tuesday, which a lot of people speculated, again, that that was strategic, that she didn't want to make massive news, that she wasn't trying to rock the boat.
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She was trying to just slip in, you know, and catch the early cycle before all the results came in.
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And she basically gave a speech that talked about how moderate she is and how good she's been to Arizona.
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So you think she might run for governor of Arizona?
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If all I had to go off of was basically today alone, for the most part, I would suspect that there seems to be an undercurrent.
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There's an undercurrent that clearly is trying to get her to consider to run for governor because the Chamber of Commerce, who's been best buddies with Kyrsten Sinema, the State Chamber of Commerce, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, who's been really close with Kyrsten Sinema, is looking at Kyrsten Sinema and going,
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she would be much better than Katie Hobbs, and we don't like anyone that's pro-Trump, and Arizona's probably going to produce a pro-Trump Republican as their nominee for governor.
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And so why not try to encourage Kyrsten Sinema to run for governor?
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So let me ask you then, does just all, and we love Kyrsten Sinema, we've endorsed Kyrsten Sinema, but I need to ask the tough question.
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Does Kyrsten Sinema not running in the Senate race help Kyrsten Sinema or hurt Kyrsten Sinema?
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It would be foolish to say that it helps Kyrsten Sinema, because Kyrsten Sinema, what she was doing was muddying the waters and winning votes for people that really don't really care or know what's going on or didn't want to vote on any issues because they viewed her as like the alternate candidate.
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More Democrats will end up voting for that type of a person than Republicans today.
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That's just like we're seeing that come to play, seeing that come to fruition.
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So Kyrsten being out of the race, it's good and it's bad.
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It's bad because probably more Democrats are going to defect from a bad candidate like Ruben Gallego, like Joe Biden and vote for that person, like an RFK or a Kyrsten Sinema or an alternate alternative candidate.
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The good news is, is that we have a clear opportunity now to paint a picture in Arizona for here is what Republicans stand for.
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And honestly, Charlie, it's kind of like when you look at a football game and people are like, should we kick the extra point and go into overtime, the second overtime or go for the win or go for the win or two and go for the win?
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It's kind of one of those moments where it's like, go for the win, right?
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And some people, you, you, you, you, you flub it.
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Kansas State flubbed it against University of Texas this year and they went for two and they lost the game.
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And everyone looks at you and goes, you're an idiot for that.
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But when you, but when you win, you're the hero, you're the hero.
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Jaden Daniels, former Sun Devil last year against number one or number two, Alabama went for the win and they got it.
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One of the best college football games last year.
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If, if no labels becomes a thing involving Sinema in some capacity, who would she be running with?
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The problem for no labels is they're not in every state.
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So having a, because they haven't collected signatures.
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And at this point, if you don't have a ticket to go out and get the, the record, it's different every state to get on the presidential ballot.
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If you haven't done the required work to do that, you're not going to get on.
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And so you don't have a viable pathway forward.
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Now, the question is, is, is no labels, not a real thing.
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And just trying to sink the Republican ship, Donald Trump ship, whatever.
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And, and the no labels, people will tell you, no, that's not the, that's not the point.
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And the Democrats have tried to can no labels because they're afraid that no labels will actually take more votes away from them.
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So I don't think that, I think at this point, if you would, we would have seen the strategy, the no label strategy already play out.
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If it's just targeted, could it get hijacked by, hold on.
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If they target, let's say Romney runs and they go Idaho, Utah, Arizona, the three most populous LDS states in Nevada.
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But they would have to hijack the, the, the national nomination.
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So not, it doesn't take an MSNBC very long to call everybody a bunch of racists.
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Joy Reid, Republican voters don't base on economics, vote based on economics.
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They don't vote based on economics or based on the benefits they're getting economically from the president.
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They're increasingly from the Tea Party on, they're voting on race.
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They're voting on this idea of an invasion of brown people over the border.
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The idea that they can't get whatever job they want.
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Therefore drive all the blacks out of the colleges, get rid of DEI.
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They're just voting specifically on racial animus at this stage.
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What's amazing is she doesn't, I mean, it's not amazing, but Blake, she doesn't cite this at all.
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She, she makes this wide sweeping generalization with no evidence, no data.
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It's just, just kind of this gut, awful, tribal, racist feeling.
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It's just the same thing they've been doing since 2016.
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They just, they're, they're hitting the same button over and over again.
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Some of them are having that the button isn't quite working as well as it used to.
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The stuff, their old tactics are not working nearly as much anymore.
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And it's causing quite a few of them to go berserk.
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And I think we'll see, I think we'll see a lot of that really unhinged state they got into in 2020 come back.
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And I think a promising thing is, I think that will turn off a lot more people than it used to.
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CBS talks to black voters as polls show that support for President Biden among black voters has gone down.
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I'm going to have a nice dialogue with Blake on this.
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Blake is very black pilled on the black voter issue.
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Why did you vote for President Biden in the last election?
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And he was in the White House for the eight previous years.
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But definitively, right now, I couldn't tell you that.
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If they open the polls tomorrow, I'm voting for Joe Biden.
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The inflation and the things that we're going through right now.
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I want the right person so that I'm not paying $8 for eggs, $15 for gas.
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Even though things may be improving economically, you feel there's a disconnect.
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So how are they proving economically if you don't do massive SPAC deals?
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All right, Blake, you've said that this is kind of a twitch on the right?
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It's the right, for understandable reasons, but the right is very obsessed with winning
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And we should probably win all votes because it's good to win votes.
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Do you think that Trump is probably doing better with this community?
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I think Trump will possibly do better with this group in this election cycle than he did
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I think he's going to do much better with that.
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I think it's worth remembering that black voters are the ones who made Joe Biden the
00:29:50.540
Joe Biden has done a lot to entrench black voters role within the Democratic Party.
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He made South Carolina their first primary state and they basically are the Democrats in
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So he went and said black voters get the first crack at voting on the Democrat nominee.
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He's made a lot of black political operatives in the Democratic Party very powerful within
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You know, we were talking earlier today about the rules committee of the DNC.
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He's put a lot of black Democrats on that committee.
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So I think there's it's easy for Republicans to miss this because understandably, we don't
00:30:29.500
really track internal Democrat Party drama, but he's done a lot to build up that faction
00:30:37.200
It's definitely possible that a lot of them are going to look and say, oh, wait, open
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Joe Biden has low energy, has all this bad stuff.
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There is a certain magnetism to Trump that seems to override everything else that people
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But what I would just say is the Republican Party has a cyclical habit of of bluntly fixating
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And I don't think we should do that because we are supposed to be the party that is does
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There are more Hispanic voters in the United States than there are black voters.
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For that matter, there are more white voters in the United States.
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But I think that we can say that when you're underperforming a group by 90 plus percent
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and that group is in a battleground state like Georgia, it doesn't hurt to try to do
00:31:30.640
Whereas, for example, white voters, especially working class white voters swing more 20 or
00:31:35.600
They're they're they're bigger swingers, if you want to put it that way.
00:31:40.200
Well, but so come on, they are they are more swingy in the sense that look at Iowa.
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Iowa is a state that went for Obama pretty easily.
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Sort of moderate white voters are the ones who are swingy.
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They are the ones who can be one by one party or the other based on what's going on.
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He actually did do better with black voters and with Hispanic voters.
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But he lost because he lost a lot of the white vote.
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We use the word that we that thwarted from power, not lost thwarted from whatever.
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But I'm I would never say I'm helping you out here, Blake.
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I would never say don't campaign for the black vote.
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But what I would say is it's a it's a tick you notice where the Republicans sort of concede ground to the Democrats that these are the most important votes and that Republicans don't have legitimacy as a political party if they're not winning these votes.
00:32:56.700
But so some of the polling shows, New York Times polling, a 20 point swing with black voters.
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But what I would say is, well, I have been around these elections for a while.
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I've seen several elections and every single one of them, except 2008.
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No, no one ever thought no one thought Biden was or Obama was getting less than, you know, 97 percent of the black vote that election.
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But every single time I will see the narrative that this is the time there's this poll or that story.
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This is the time Republicans are breaking through and they're going to get 25 or 30 percent of the black vote.
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And the reason you have to be careful is they will throw a lot of resources at this.
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They will throw a lot of emphasis on this and then it doesn't pan out.
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But if you're talking about Georgia, you win 50,000 black voters.
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It makes it very difficult for the Democrats to win Georgia.
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Well, I think there's a different type of there's a different type of black issue based voter in Wisconsin than Georgia.
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OK, I think I don't know what the big difference would be.
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Well, I think there is probably a slightly more Midwestern wrinkle.
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I think there's a slightly more active churchgoer that's that's in Georgia.
00:34:30.400
So there's a more working class in Wisconsin, which which, again, that that number will still probably go up.
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But I would I would expect that the hospital you see the religious vote go significantly up.
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Maybe that's why the Democrats are going to abandon Georgia a little bit more.
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Maybe that's why they're going to abandon Arizona.
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You see the Hispanic votes, you know, going up 10 points for Trump.
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So the bigger issue for us is how are they trying to make up those votes?
00:34:57.960
So the same argument that we were making about losing college educated, middle class white people, you know, and for Republicans, they're looking at this and going, oh, they're already two steps ahead of us going.
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And we're already expecting to lose X amount of the minority communities.
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And by the way, many of those votes only turned out because we chased them.
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So all we have to do is not chase those people and that are going to potentially vote against us and focus on the other pockets that are going to vote for us.
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Which in this case, again, is middle class, college educated white women.
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Right. And so that's where the Democrats are shifting.
00:35:38.080
And that's why they're so far ahead of us is because they can isolate those pockets, message micro target to those pockets and say we can make up 20 or 30 or 40,000 votes here or there in different parts of the state.
00:35:50.640
Jack, your thoughts on the emphasis on black voters?
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In fact, I don't think it gets nearly the resources that it warrants or it deserves.
00:36:06.820
So there's different, you know, there's different ways to look at this as well, because in the sense that, you know, I get the aggregate question about are you going to get enough voters over marginally of a group that is less than 20 percent of the country in order to swing any of the key states that we need?
00:36:26.300
So the states that we need, we're going to be talking about, of course, the Rust Belt.
00:36:28.920
So Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, those are the swing states in the Rust Belt.
00:36:34.240
Then in the Sun Belt, you have Georgia and Arizona.
00:36:36.860
Georgia, of course, is a state with about, we just got the data here in the chat here.
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And so that's a state at least where you could you could really see some dig in.
00:36:50.980
Of course, Georgia, a lot of people remember this, the state that supposedly gave Biden the presidency and certainly the nomination.
00:36:56.560
And so what I would also point out, though, is that in the very same way that we were just talking about how people in the Midwest have adopted, you know, through and I think I think the jury's still out on where exactly it comes from.
00:37:09.620
But from this Midwest nice perspective, there's just generally a sense that people want to see a candidate that is campaigning for all votes.
00:37:17.240
The Americans want to see and certainly the American moderate and certainly the American independent want to see a candidate that's not cutting off demographic groups.
00:37:25.140
And we can argue over whether or not too much time is spent on one thing or another.
00:37:38.000
If you do have a candidate who seems like he's genuinely attempting to achieve all of those, all those, the support of all those groups.
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OK, MSNBC panel mocks the fact that immigration is a top issue for voters across the country, including in Virginia.
00:37:58.560
They laugh at illegal storming into the country, breaking into homes.
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I mean, if you look at some of these exit polls, I mean, I live in Virginia.
00:38:15.080
Well, Virginia does have a border with West Virginia.
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Can you imagine having to be one of the people has to.
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Commit your vote to Nikki Haley at the convention.
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It'd be like you get like picked on like the like what's his face on the
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They're gonna be like, you're a Nikki Haley delegate.
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But to your point, Charlie, I mean, this is I mean, we're in a we're in a time
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that this is and this is what Republicans have been saying for a long time in
00:39:12.800
Not many years ago was a law passed called SB 1070 in Arizona, which
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basically gave the police the ability to aid and assist ICE.
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And it still is today in Arizona because, you know, you have victims of violent crimes
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happening, not just in Arizona now, but all over the country where we're seeing
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infiltration and Democrats are getting very uncomfortable, even in big cities where
00:39:40.100
they're seeing just large drop offs of military aged men, individuals who have
00:39:47.260
I mean, look, if I was an enemy of America, I wouldn't be sending my best and brightest
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And you have to expect the opposite is true, too, which is that they're going to encourage
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and incentivize the worst people ever to flow across the border.
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It's but it's a big part of what you're seeing.
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And as a as a person in Arizona, my family has had very close people within our family as
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victims of violent, sexual, violent crime, a violent crime.
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And I won't go into details about it because it's private to my family.
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And it wasn't just one or two people impacted impacted rings of people.
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And and this is the same thing that goes for a lot of people are looking to this and they're
00:40:38.180
going, we just had a report in Arizona come out today that we lost a lot of local farmers
00:40:43.020
and local farmings down and big monopolized farming is increasing.
00:40:47.700
And part of this is because, you know, there is a there is a it's a difficult place to do
00:40:54.220
business along the border states to grow crops, to manage things, to manage a business, whether
00:40:59.560
it's we think of the stores and the burning that happened in Minnesota with everything with
00:41:04.740
So when you have infiltration of your of your cities, of your of your state, it becomes
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more difficult and more what's the what's the word I'm looking for, more risky for you
00:41:20.340
to enter into business and keep your business in that state.
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And I think people are buckling down on the immigration issue and saying, I'm not going
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to own a bunch of land and subject my family and my farming to what's happening, flowing
00:41:33.680
across the border, especially in southern Arizona and southern Texas.
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It's met with mockery on MSNBC, if you believe that it is the top issue.
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Let's talk about Texas here because we'll have a nice little dialogue.
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Is it a good I think it's a great idea to go after Dade feeling all of this.
00:41:54.480
They think that Texas is no longer going to be read because of it.
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And then coming down the other side to Texas will never be blue.
00:42:06.660
But the part of it just switch to Texas used to be blue.
00:42:16.120
I think the Republicans are I think it could take a minute.
00:42:19.500
But the Republicans there hate each other so much that it usually isn't the rise of another
00:42:27.320
It's the weakening of the dominant party and I think nothing weakens a party like a civil
00:42:32.320
Can you talk Chris a little bit about what's going on right now with the Texas down ballot
00:42:36.060
I mean the Texas state house basically is a three party operation.
00:42:39.700
It's the Democratic Party and then the Republican Party is in two factions which is basically
00:42:48.420
I mean look the good old boys are hardcore right wing like ideologically right.
00:42:51.860
But there's a sort of this kind of MAGA contingent that was even there before MAGA became MAGA
00:42:57.340
and has always been this sort of process where they have super majorities but basically these
00:43:02.500
And right now those two factions are in the most open war with each other they've ever
00:43:05.820
been for a bunch of reasons but largely because the Attorney General Ken Paxton was impeached
00:43:10.600
by the Texas House and then acquitted by the Texas Senate.
00:43:13.360
Now after being acquitted he and his allies are out for revenge.
00:43:26.200
Like to your point Charlie the runoff rules in Texas exist so if you don't get 50% then
00:43:33.040
All these preemptive people putting on social media.
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Well there was early that it looked like it was over 50% but now we're seeing some of these
00:43:42.660
late votes coming in and we don't have a good idea of how what percentage has been
00:43:47.140
counted but it does look like a number of insurgent candidates that are on the Paxton side of
00:43:58.380
They are getting over 50% very clearly and then there's a bunch of drag out races that
00:44:03.860
have some some of them have four or five candidates in them where it's it's it's under
00:44:09.320
50% and because of that this thing is going to go to a runoff.
00:44:16.100
She is now neck and neck with the person but there's a third candidate in the race so she's
00:44:23.340
You have the Dave Phelan race so he's like there that one's likely going to a runoff unless
00:44:28.680
there's more votes to be counted that we're not aware of and that had a third person in
00:44:34.400
So the one thing I'll point out and this is good to pay attention to is a lot of conservatives
00:44:39.600
will get excited tonight going yeah we made it to the runoff or yeah we're showing them
00:44:45.360
but very it's very likely or very there could be a real possibility that the person that's
00:44:52.180
the third person or fourth person that's in this race were recruited by the establishment
00:44:56.560
with the intent to try to split the vote for the insurgent because they know how unpopular
00:45:01.180
they are and this is a common tactic that's used by the by the establishment and there's
00:45:06.080
a lot of Bush money that's floating around Texas so I wouldn't put it past them I don't
00:45:09.560
know these candidates I'm not intimately involved with any of these races so that may not be
00:45:13.680
true for every one of these races but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case in some of
00:45:16.980
these which means that the conservatives are going to have to work really really hard
00:45:20.280
in the runoff to beat Dade Phelan to beat other people to make sure all their votes turn back
00:45:26.040
out because it's a it's a weird runoff election date and that the third party candidate isn't
00:45:32.120
there just to play spoiler to them this is one of the advertisements that was being run
00:45:37.660
against Mark Robinson Rachel Maddow breaks down all this crap again I'm telling you they have
00:45:45.440
to sue MSNBC for what they're saying here play cut 51 when you have to say the holocaust was real
00:45:53.180
and Hitler was evil both in a primary ad you know that this is not a normal primary year but
00:46:01.320
Mark Robinson is not a normal primary winner he will be the republican nominee for governor in
00:46:06.460
North Carolina he has in fact called the holocaust hogwash he says Beyonce is satanic he says the moon
00:46:14.440
landing in 1969 may have been fake he says the civil rights movement in the 1960s was quote crap
00:46:21.100
and that Martin Luther King was a communist he also says there is a secret ruling cabal that is part
00:46:28.120
reptile meaning part human part reptile I don't know have you seen some of these people they look
00:46:34.100
pretty reptilian to me shall we show when Mark Robinson on thought crime when I think we have to go
00:46:40.400
through each of these one at a time yes because there's some things that there if he did say them
00:46:44.740
so the reptile thing totally real so no I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm by the way I have I
00:46:49.620
have I looked up his quote about this this the main one I'm telling you they said that he called the
00:46:54.600
holocaust hogwash and it's just not true that's not what he said but they host I'm telling you get the
00:46:59.420
whole clip guys on gravy they call him a holocaust denier on MSNBC we got to tweet that out we have
00:47:06.360
to get the drum this will help Mark Robinson by the way get get the get this out there right now
00:47:12.440
and it gets the high ground for Mark Robinson Tyler Blake and Jack thank you guys so much we also had
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some great thought crime conversation within it as well so it was time well spent God bless you guys