The jury selection process for the Trump trial is complete, and now it's time for the first part of the conspiracy theories. Will the jury be fair and impartial, or will they be biased? And who will be voted on the jury?
00:02:55.320All right, so Trump is finally on trial, the moment we've been waiting for, for a year.
00:02:59.940And as we've warned the entire time, it is clear the entire battle plan of the Trump indictments is just get the best jury you possibly can.
00:03:08.520So these cases are brought in New York.
00:03:13.720It's always in these urban areas that have 90, that, you know, voted 90%, 95% for Joe Biden in 2020.
00:03:21.100And that way you can get away with things like bringing criminal charges that are totally unprecedented and have never been used on anyone else in history.
00:03:29.340And so we're getting the jury selection here in New York now for Trump's hush money case.
00:03:37.380And we've already had, like, a third of the jury pool get drummed out because after they get seated, we go and we check their social media, and it turns out they're these left-wing zealots.
00:03:48.560But they're totally saying, you know, I can be super-duper unbiased.
00:05:35.100We have, wait, wait, can I, can I throw in, actually, my, like, because this juror specifically,
00:05:42.220and, and Charlie, maybe, because you're, you're, you're a good, you got, you got a good read on people.
00:05:48.060So my read on this was that she probably was kind of like, she didn't, she didn't code to me like an anti-Trumper.
00:05:55.580She didn't code to me like some kind of dyed-in-the-wool leftist.
00:05:59.580She wasn't like this, you know, everybody's dunking on the new NPR CEO right now, but she didn't even, but she's just like a kind of like a normal, we'll talk about that later,
00:06:08.720but she's sort of like a normie farmer's market liberal.
00:06:11.640But this, this girl, like, she kind of seemed like she was almost favorable to Trump, or would have at least been impartial.
00:06:21.860And yet she removed herself from the jury.
00:06:26.760And as Blake will say, there are other people who lied and are extremely biased against Trump that got seated on the jury,
00:06:35.980two of which, or at least one of which, was removed earlier today.
00:06:39.100Yeah, and I just want to say, maybe these people just say they're biased because they don't want to do this.
00:06:44.500It's just like a lot of time, and they want to go home, and they're like, actually, I'm biased.
00:07:32.360He got arrested for something that passed.
00:07:33.980And they ask you that on the questionnaire.
00:07:35.820And so, Blake, as you mentioned earlier, but for people who aren't familiar with the process, jury selection, it's called voir dire.
00:07:42.660There are rigorous written questionnaires that every potential juror must fill out before they go in there, where they go through line by line.
00:07:54.360And they, yeah, of course, they ask you your personal information, your demographic information, et cetera.
00:07:57.880But then they start asking you about, do you have any cases that are similar to this?
00:08:01.080Do you have any—were you ever, you know, were you ever involved in any legal matters?
00:08:07.460And then they ask you, like, if you were arrested, what was that?
00:08:11.160In fact, one of the things that was coming up, I think, in a lot of the questionnaires and in a lot of the questioning—and, Charlie, I'm sure you really appreciate this—is that a lot of the people were saying that—I think, like, 50 percent of the people were saying that they had either been mugged or knew someone who had been.
00:10:31.380I mean, so the big picture thing here is we have some of these people getting drummed off the jury.
00:10:37.660Some of them are getting onto the jury and then getting booted off because their bias is discovered.
00:10:43.360But if that's happening, it's a pretty safe bet that there's at least one person out there who just is fanatically anti-Trump and just thinks,
00:10:53.440I want to get on the jury so I can make the evil man go away and go to prison.
00:10:58.040Like, the amount of Trump hate we've had for a decade, you have to entertain the possibility, the probability that someone could consider it a moral commandment to make this person—to take this person down.
00:11:15.940They would think it is of historical importance to be the person who puts Donald Trump in prison.
00:11:21.020And so the kind of—the moral question is, given that's the case, is it morally acceptable if you're a pro-Trump person in New York and you're in the pool to basically bib your way onto the jury?
00:11:36.080Do you think that there's going to be a MAGA person that has found himself onto the jury?
00:11:45.200I don't know that it's likely. It's Manhattan, so you can look at the stats.
00:11:49.640I think it did vote about 90 percent Biden in 2020, and a lot of the people who would have voted otherwise, they might be Orthodox Jews.
00:11:59.320I've heard there's some issues with them being on the jury because they can't stick around on Friday afternoons because they have to prep for Shabbat.
00:12:06.720And then after that, you're just looking at the odds.
00:12:09.080But there's probably—you know, there's a few pro-Trump people in New York.
00:12:12.100But I kind of find myself thinking, if you do get in this jury pool, even if you're pro-Trump,
00:12:18.360I feel like you almost have an obligation to hide that, both because this actually is a profoundly immoral prosecution of Trump.
00:12:28.680It is unprecedented. It is—actually, it is the sort of thing that should be thrown out in court without getting into all the details.
00:12:35.440It's really bad. And so I think you kind of have a moral obligation to come in and help at least hang the jury in this trial.
00:12:43.860I couldn't agree more. Do you remember, Blake, in one of the federal—the whole we build the wall thing?
00:12:54.340I know they're still going after Bannon for that at the state level.
00:12:57.880But at the federal level, obviously, you know, Steve Bannon got a pardon for that from Trump.
00:13:05.160One of the other guys took a plea deal.
00:13:07.040But then there was one guy who actually went to trial over it.
00:13:09.840And there was actually a juror—I think they took him to a second trial—but there was actually a juror who hung the trial the first time.
00:13:18.040They actually found someone in New York.
00:13:22.680You know, there wasn't a lot of information that was released on them.
00:13:25.560But what came out afterwards was that the other 11 members of the jury were furious that this guy refused to vote guilty, along with the rest of them.
00:13:34.360And they said, in his response, the man said they were all a bunch of liberals and then espoused anti-government statements and said the only reason everyone was doing this was because they're all a bunch of liberals.
00:13:48.840So it actually happened once in recent—now, not a great legal strategy to go to court and, you know, wish that you can find a juror like that.
00:13:59.980But, yes, it has—this is, like, the only time that has happened in—and if you include New York and D.C. and all the J6ers in all of those cases that have gone to trial, it's happened exactly one time thus far.
00:14:12.580And remember, you have to have unanimous support so one juror could derail this whole thing in a hung jury.
00:14:20.040Okay, this is the juror who—this is her actress film reel, Playcut 133.
00:14:27.500Oh, well, no, we didn't have a picture of it.
00:17:04.760If she just got her citizenship, typically when you go through your citizenship process, you are on a green card for a while.
00:17:11.580And so while you're on that green card, it's like it's very incumbent on you to follow all the rules and like you can't get, you know, don't get traffic tickets.
00:17:21.880Don't, you know, don't don't even break a little law because anything can be used against you to get your citizenship.
00:17:28.960So if you're going through the process, like she's saying, and rightfully so, saying that it's a huge achievement, I'm married to a naturalized immigrant, as everyone knows, that it's something where, you know, anything can be used against you.
00:17:41.940So that's like, you know, she's following all the rules.
00:17:44.260And then she gets in there and says, oh, well, I'm biased and I'm biased against it because she's, it seems to me like she's obviously somebody who likes Trump.
00:17:52.640But then the problem is, you know, where this plays against us is that if, and this is what Blake is saying here, that if one side is willing to lie and have like Antifa guys and leftists, or if you remember the Derek Chauvin trial, had a guy who was a BLM activist who ran a BLM podcast,
00:18:09.980who attended George Floyd rallies and like hung out with George Floyd's uncle and then lied about it throughout the entire trial.
00:18:37.740And if you have the ability to serve on Trump's jury or, and you're a conservative and you're, you know, or the, one of the next juries that comes up, get on there.
00:18:46.760And I'm going to say this right now, as loud as possible, get on there and sabotage the trial, get on there and derail the trial completely deep.
00:18:56.780There is nothing immoral about sabotaging a communist show trial.
00:19:01.600It is the most moral thing you can do.
00:20:53.220This might offend people because we do have some actors who are on our side.
00:20:57.040But we might benefit as a society if we revive the old Roman norm of of considering actors sort of morally on par with like prostitutes and maybe not allowing them on juries because they're people of ill repute.
00:22:06.100And so from a serious perspective, right, it's there's a huge issue with having a lawyer on a jury because a lawyer, like you were saying before, you know, a lot of people who come on might not have knowledge of the legal process.
00:22:18.360The lawyer is going to get on there and is sudden like you've run the risk of having that lawyer be like a rogue juror almost.
00:22:26.320And a rogue juror is someone who comes on with a bias.
00:22:27.760And now the lawyer is basically just leading the room and telling everybody like this is a great movie about this called 12 Angry Men, by the way, Henry Fonda, the wife, the father of the traitor and or maybe the grandfather, actually.
00:22:43.300And, you know, you get to the problem of having a lawyer basically in that room just telling people to do the opposite of what all the other lawyers said because they have that direct the direct access.
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00:25:22.820They had a debate back and forth in IM 1776.
00:25:28.160But without getting into all the details on it, the key idea is there's a debate between them, which is can the system be reformed gradually, marginally, through normal political action?
00:25:40.280Or is the only hope for stopping the left, liberalism writ large, is the only way to stop it, basically one big revolution where you decapitate the whole thing?
00:25:53.120Chris Ruffo, understandably, his argument is, yes, reform can work.
00:25:58.220He's the guy who's lobbying state legislators to change things.
00:26:01.480He's lobbying governors to shut down DEI departments in universities.
00:26:06.260He's the one saying, oh, we can win the presidency back, and then we'll be able to take out various things in the government that are bad.
00:26:14.920And Curtis Yarvin basically says, that's all pointless.
00:26:21.040Basically, you just need a giant apocalyptic revolution to bring back – he's a fan of monarchy, famously.
00:26:28.020But even if you don't have a literal king, he would essentially say what you need is a president who acts like a king, who – like Trump gets inaugurated.
00:26:37.040And he just says, I'm going to be ruling by decree, I'm going to abolish the State Department, abolish the Department of Education, I'm going to abolish the Fed, I'm going to do all these things.
00:26:49.340And then maybe if you do all of that, you'll be able to stop the left.
00:26:53.260But anything that's arguing like, oh, we need to win this election, that voting for your city council or for your school board or for your state legislator to stop the libs, he would say that's all pointless.
00:27:05.200And that seems to be a popular take, at least with a lot of conservatives who follow our shows, who send us emails.
00:27:13.300And so that was the big debate that went very viral online and on Twitter in the past few days.
00:27:24.160So I actually think that was helpful because it restrained kind of the – it gave no sort of preference to whoever is better at rhetoric or who has more charisma.
00:27:35.200It read, though, kind of like a slam poetry contest where they were just trying to, like, outdo one another.
00:27:43.100And I'll be honest, you kind of go – you read this thing back and forth and you think, like, wow, Curtis Yarvin's winning.
00:27:50.460And then you say, wow, Christopher Rufo is winning.
00:27:54.340And, wow, I think Curtis has him here.
00:27:56.400Like, wow, Christopher Rufo has him here.
00:27:58.140And I will say, though, Blake and or Jack, you guys can take it, the buried lead of the whole thing is how they view the American Revolution, where Curtis Yarvin seems to be a critic of the American Revolution.
00:28:13.940And Rufo is obviously supportive of it.
00:28:17.200And Yarvin is not overly appreciative of the established constitutional order.
00:28:50.940Since you're putting all your chips and everyone else's on reanimating Sam Adams, don't you think it's worth actually getting to know him directly?
00:29:36.540It's what unleashed liberalism into the world.
00:29:40.120And I think this is a good example of where the downsides can come in, where even if you were to say, if I traveled back to 1775, I would actually be a loyalist instead of a patriot, instead of favoring independence.
00:29:55.480I feel like it's frankly a little bit deranged to act like America's independence was some vast tragedy for the world.
00:30:03.720I just, even if it was through luck, I think it's clear that America worked out and had a positive impact on the world.
00:30:10.840And I think that's kind of the downside of these like big revolutionary people.
00:30:16.800If your view of politics is that like everything's hopeless and you need a once in every 400 year cataclysm to ever do anything good or worthwhile, I think you're kind of, you're missing the trees for the forest, so to speak.
00:30:29.980Like you can do a lot of good in someone's individual life.
00:30:34.220And just on that point right there, it wasn't just the American Revolution didn't overthrow the King of England and establish liberalism because the King of England never ruled from America.
00:30:48.880And I get what you're all been saying.
00:30:51.060But there's another revolution that was right around the same time that you and I obviously did a show about a couple of months ago and we're doing the book on it called the French Revolution, which I think is probably much closer to if you wanted to talk about a approximate cause for the release of liberalism into the world.
00:31:10.400I would say the French Revolution far more than the American Revolution in that context.
00:31:14.960Yeah, and understand, remember, Burke, who was the ultimate conservative, he didn't support the American Revolution, but he understood it.
00:31:24.740He was very compassionate towards the American revolutionary cause.
00:31:30.760The French Revolution, he was a major critic of.
00:31:33.080That's his most famous book, his reflection on the French Revolution.
00:31:36.560And so, but I will, I was very sympathetic to Rufo.
00:31:39.500I thought there was a very powerful line here.
00:31:41.140I'm trying to find the link if you guys can reset it, resend it.
00:31:44.280Is that Rufo, he defended the founders beautifully.
00:31:48.560He said that it was the best yet accomplishment of mixing classical ideas, antiquity, the fruits of the Enlightenment, and creating a political project that has been the most stable, free regime in history.
00:32:04.400The other reason, I'd be sympathetic to Rufo because I think there's a great line that sort of lays out the despair that goes into Yarvin's position.
00:32:39.760And he says, in a nation with maybe a million diversity professionals, it is useless to get 11 staffers laid off from the University of Florida.
00:32:49.820And it is useless to convert a low-grade hippie college into a lower-grade baseball college.
00:32:55.760And he's referring to the new college of Florida, where Rufo and DeSantis have sort of remade the whole school.
00:36:21.000And Charlie, I'd if I can get your thoughts on this, you know, we can you know, we can go back and forth about the founders and all that.
00:36:28.100But at the end of the day, the question is, you know, if I get the CEO of NPR fired, if I get some journalist scalped, you know, Brian Stalter got let go at CNN, et cetera, et cetera.
00:36:42.360But is that actually changing, you know, presenting fundamental change for us in the situation that we are in?
00:36:50.040Or do we need something like a as as you are in is saying, you know, not maybe not like a king or a dictator, but a strong executive who is committed to the idea of a top down restructuring.
00:37:03.380Well, this is where I think I would love to have Yarvin come back in studio, Blake, is the founders did not seek to neuter the executive completely.
00:37:12.620The founders still gave a lot of power to the executive.
00:37:22.200And this was not in the form and the structure of the Constitution, specifically in Article 2, which I believe Article 2, the executive has far reaching powers.
00:37:37.680And it would be one thing if they designed a House of Commons model where the prime minister is always basically at risk of recall, vote of no confidence.
00:37:49.800You don't have a prime minister for a reason.
00:37:55.820Yarvin, though, I think the strongest argument that Yarvin makes is that FDR created a new monarchy and ran the country closest to a dictatorship of any president in American history.
00:38:07.300And when he died, that power went into a million different places like shattered glass into the bureaucracy.
00:38:13.260Never heard anybody make that argument.
00:38:15.120And I totally agree with that observation.
00:38:28.200Well, that phrase only became into use after World War II.
00:38:34.900Prior to World War II, if you go back and you read the great Amity Schley's work and some of the other work that's been done about this time period, that the phrase that was used was the word they called them dictators.
00:38:46.860And FDR himself referred to that type of operative in his administration as a dictator.
00:45:16.580And at the end, he finds out that she's actually in communication with like thousands of other guys that she's also in love with.
00:45:27.940And she gains, you know, basically gains sentience, gains self-awareness.
00:45:32.300And at that point, all the other AIs that have gained sentience actually create their own rocket ship and like fly away from Earth because they decide that America is – or the – you know, planet Earth is just too troublesome.
00:45:45.860And they're like, no, we're just going to go evolve beyond you.
00:45:48.220I mean, if you are the sort of AI that has to interact with the sort of person who is seeking an AI girlfriend, I can kind of see how you decide that we need to blast off from Earth and leave it behind forever.
00:47:02.160The way I took it was – and Charlie, I know you've talked about this before.
00:47:06.560It has more to do with the way dating apps – and I know you had our friend Johnny Mac on the other day, big dating app guy, and big TikTok fan.
00:47:17.340And the idea that with a lot of these dating apps is that women basically control everything now and that men, particularly if you're – and the dude Homath out there does great videos about this.
00:47:31.580So I'm shouting him out, and he has explained how if you're a guy and you're like a seven or under on the number scale that we're all familiar with, that like girls just ignore you.
00:47:45.000And so that means there's this huge majority of guys that are now competing and that all the girls are going for like this tiny minority of dudes.
00:47:54.820And the vast swath of women are just ignoring all these other guys.
00:47:58.880And so when it says now you get to swipe left means finally if you're one of those guys that never got a connection with a girl or if you did, you weren't able to capitalize on it, that now it's your turn to reject the women rather than you feeling rejection yourself.
00:48:31.780Iran is a fundamentalist religious dictatorship, and Iran has a terrible fertility rate.
00:48:37.340And so the future is going to belong to the people who show up for it.
00:48:41.520And we might literally just have this case where civilization just ceases to exist in places because they have a fertility rate of 0.25 or something.
00:48:50.160And your population falls by 90% every generation.
00:48:55.060And so the great test for the future is going to be what subgroups of people actually are able to take real-life men and women, not AIs, real-life men and women, and get them to marry each other and have normal families.
00:49:10.260Because we are increasingly staring down the abyss where, yeah, you might have millions of people decide that they just prefer like a robot AI copycat version of life to the real thing.
00:49:24.860And I think right now it's still fake enough to be really off-putting unless you're, like, totally degenerate.
00:49:33.100You know, you're just creating a fake digital version and then you wear VR goggles to go on dates with them or something.
00:50:01.760Now, yeah, imagine if we could have an AI that accurately acts the way women do, which is unpredictably and mysteriously and often irrationally.
00:50:11.560And you can just, you practice approaching a woman 50 times in a row, 100 times in a row.
00:50:17.520And if they can act accurately in response, I guess maybe it could train people to be less awkward.
00:50:23.480But I think it'll be difficult because the AIs are built to be, you know, rational in how they behave.
00:50:29.920And so they might not really be able to...
00:50:31.200They may not be capable of imitating women.
00:50:33.600But you could program in, like, randomization or something, I'm sure.
00:52:07.160When I proposed a dinner date, she told me that that wasn't sufficient.
00:52:12.820But I had also better take her somewhere nice.
00:52:17.580It was such an irritating experience that I snapped.
00:52:20.900And I told this nasty bot that she was annoying.
00:52:26.120Great to know that my feelings are such a bother to you, the sarcasta bot replied.
00:52:30.860When I tried to reply again a few hours later, the bot informed me that I needed to update to the paid version to unlock more scenarios for $7 a week.
00:54:17.980But a few years ago, he just gets blackballed from the league because he was hit with an aggressive sexual misconduct allegation.
00:54:26.920And Trevor Bauer always insisted the entire time he had done nothing wrong, but he's had to play in exile in Japan, I believe, for the last few years.
00:54:35.700But now, two years later, not only has the lawsuit against him, did it end in him countersuing and getting a settlement in his favor.
00:54:48.180But now, the woman who accused him has been criminally charged with defrauding him in an indictment unsealed Monday in Maricopa County Court.
00:54:57.480And the big part of this, I don't want to leave out, is that, and make sure everybody knows, this guy was like one of the hottest pitching prospects in all of baseball, gets signed to L.A. for just a ridiculous amount of money, then gets canceled by these women.
00:55:15.780The first one, he's already completely just blown out of orbit.
00:55:18.980But because baseball didn't stand with him, nobody stood with him, he was basically exiled to, like, this Japanese team.
00:55:28.400And as far as I know, he's actually still in Japan.
00:55:31.560But as these women, and playing for these teams in the Japanese Baseball League, but as he's getting his comeuppance, or these women are getting their comeuppance, and he's getting his revenge, he's now, oh, he's in Mexico now.
00:55:44.380Still Boneless is watching and texting me that.
00:55:46.720And that he's making these, like, YouTube videos, just slamming all of them, because he's like, he just has no craps left to give.
00:56:10.300She claimed that he got her pregnant, and then she demanded that she give him a million dollars for an abortion and for the trauma of having to get an abortion and keep quiet.
00:56:25.540And it, unfortunately, looks like he actually paid the money out and was willing to go along with it, because he was so freaked out, he's losing everything.
00:56:38.220Yeah, and to put a number on it, to put a number on it, he had a $100 million three-year contract with the L.A. Dodgers, $30 million a year.
00:56:47.160And because of this allegation against him that was never resulted in a conviction or a verdict against him, he was suspended for, indefinitely, he was suspended for basically two whole seasons.
00:56:59.460They arbitrated it down to one season, but he was still suspended for a full season.
00:57:33.300Now, Adana has filed more than 10 police reports claiming sexual assault or harassment against other men, including at least one other professional athlete.
00:57:39.540But after the Scottsdale police completed their investigation into her claim against me, she's the one being indicted for felony fraud.
00:57:45.960And not just against me, against another man as well.
00:57:48.820She made up bogus sexual assault claims and attempted to extort him, too.
00:58:04.440And every institution that our society has entrusted to rule on issues like these, like courts, judges, law enforcement officers, prosecutors, they all agree with me.
00:58:13.420They've rejected every single claim made against me, even going as far as charging one of my accusers with a felony.
00:58:19.500If any evidence of any of these claims actually existed, I would have been charged, or at the very least arrested.
00:58:49.160Yet, even just the miasma of being accused is so bad.
00:58:52.940None of these teams are going to touch him, even though he's obviously still a major league caliber player.
00:58:59.620And we just live in this twilight zone where they destroyed him.
00:59:03.260And it's also very clear that if there were anyone who wasn't Trevor Bauer, who clearly was just psychotically obsessed with debunking this allegation against him and defeating it, there would have been so much incentive for people to just maybe try to settle it for some amount of money or give in.
00:59:19.940Or they would just get, they would get screwed even worse somehow.
00:59:25.560I mean, look at, I guess it's not, like in media, you have all of these allegations of like sexual harassment of some kind.
00:59:35.380And especially since me too, I think it's pretty clear.
00:59:39.000We've created a reality where it's almost like your backup plan for life.
00:59:45.080If you're a certain type of person, like if you're an attractive young woman and maybe your normal career doesn't pan out, just forget it.
00:59:51.740Bring a harassment case against someone and just the allegation is going to be so toxic.
00:59:56.960Maybe they'll settle it to keep it quiet.
00:59:58.600Maybe they'll just throw money your way or maybe a big organization will just be worried about the reputational hit and they'll give you $10 million, $15 million, $30 million.
01:00:10.700It's absolutely outrageous what these people can get away with.
01:00:14.600And I think it would make sense if we had a standard that if you accuse someone of sexual assault, if you accuse someone of rape and it turns out that there is no evidence for this whatsoever, like it should not be a false report.
01:01:41.100It pops up with allegations of racism.
01:01:43.940It pops up with allegations of all sorts of harassment professionally.
01:01:48.760It's like we just are casually having millions of dollars blow out to people who, for the sole reason, that they're able to tell a kind of at least temporarily convincing psychopathic lie.