Trump is going to jail for contempt of court. Will it be a good or bad thing? Is it a good thing or a bad thing, and what will happen if he does go to jail? Jack and Tyler discuss this and more on Thought Crime Thursday.
00:01:07.400He's being threatened with jail for contempt because he just keeps truthing up a storm.
00:01:12.180And a lot of fans say, they've been saying this for a few weeks at this point, that Donald Trump should call the judges bluff and intentionally try to go to jail for contempt.
00:01:23.020A lot of people are saying, or they were saying he should go to Barron's graduation and make them throw him in jail for that.
00:01:51.480Because it would be one thing if the country was not completely falling apart economically,
00:01:55.020but the stuff that, excuse my language, piss people off the most, like high rent, high gas, high credit card, is not going away.
00:02:02.740And I think people, they get crushed with their bills every night, and then they see Trump going to jail.
00:02:08.300It's kind of like a super insult to them.
00:02:10.840For someone who's not as politically sophisticated, it feels and sounds like, I can't pay my rent, and you guys are wasting your time with this.
00:02:18.380It seems as if that's the way that a lot of Americans are processing it.
00:02:23.700I mean, so far, this election cycle, I mean, the story of 2024, when I think in the history books, is going to be every time they came at Donald Trump,
00:02:31.060he got more popular with the base, with conservative movement, with independence.
00:02:35.860And so I think that the Democrats are really looking at this, and they're not unified on the decision to jail Trump.
00:02:46.440It's the ultra, ultra radical part of the party.
00:02:49.240And so, just like our, you know, our law corrupt chants, right, that probably would have actually made Hillary Clinton.
00:03:41.860You just don't know what is beyond that.
00:03:44.120And so, it could be good, but it could also be really bad.
00:03:47.060It could be that a lot of normal people who are following this lightly would just see this and be like, whoa, Trump's in jail?
00:03:53.240He must have done the thing really bad that the judge did that.
00:03:56.040And they won't necessarily follow the whole, like, oh, yeah, the gag order he's on was, like, BS, and they did all this stuff to, like, throw him in.
00:04:04.240They would just think, oh, he did a clownish thing, and now he's in jail, and then they're going to convict him.
00:04:09.740And that might be the only way he goes to jail, because even if they convict him, they have to do sentencing.
00:04:54.600Like, why were all of these, again, state-level trials, Kyle Rittenhouse, another state-level trial, they were all televised?
00:05:01.840And then with the power of social media, which obviously didn't exist during OJ's time, but with the power of social media and all those other cases, the clips go viral.
00:05:09.760When you see these high-profile cases at the state-level put on television and then we get the video out.
00:05:15.980Now, under New York, for whatever reason, this is a state-level case, and yet it's not televised.
00:05:21.820And that's the first reason that this is just getting no traction whatsoever with the media, because otherwise you'd be getting these clips of Stormy Daniels, and the left would be pushing that.
00:05:32.780But then Trump's defense team would be cross-examining her, and she'd be tripped up, and then that side would be pushing that.
00:05:39.560And, or Trump would make some kind of face and, you know, BS, you know, kind of comment, and then we'd all be, you know, talking about it right now on ThoughtCrime.
00:05:47.660But of course not, because we're not getting clips.
00:05:49.580So that's how the world works right now, is everybody gets their clips out.
00:05:52.580However, there's the second part of it, too, is that no one can actually under, like, explain what the crime is.
00:05:59.420And when I say no one, I don't mean the people here who, like, we're, like, political wonks for a living, and, you know, we're all involved in the process in one way or another.
00:06:08.360It's because the average person who's watching this, I think they're understanding that.
00:06:14.560And I've talked to people about this who are kind of, like, outside of the, what you were just saying, like, outside of the bubble.
00:06:19.020And they're like, so he went to jail for having, or they want to put him in jail for having an affair with a stripper or something?
00:06:37.820And so it's so confusing to the average person what exactly the crime is that it just kind of plays out like a Stormy Daniels thing from, and again,
00:06:47.940she's been around for, like, eight years.
00:09:20.200So the normie right, okay, says, eh, I don't know, there's a more middle-of-the-road left element here that sees the radicalness of, like, the...
00:09:30.920I don't know. You mean the principle of it?
00:09:32.020I would say it's more of, like, the...
00:11:00.940I have a question for Blake, actually, because I get the sense you've been following the trial.
00:11:06.780I've been following the trial as well.
00:11:08.420And you mentioned something a couple of times that I hadn't even really considered.
00:11:12.920I got a phone call from someone today who is, like, not a, you know, regular Trump supporter, but, you know, someone I'm friends with and, you know, from the D.C. area.
00:11:22.300And was like, you know, there's a real chance that Trump actually gets acquitted or there is a hung jury here because the case is just so incredibly bad.
00:11:33.320And I wanted to ask, have you been following it?
00:11:35.780And were you coming to that conclusion as well based on how bad the case is?
00:11:39.440The New York case is weird because what's so bad about it is kind of at a higher level where I don't know the whole process for appeals.
00:11:48.760But it's something that should just not be on trial.
00:11:51.480It is the sort of thing that there should be a federal judge or some level of judge who comes in and says, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and we are not allowing this travesty to happen.
00:12:02.420Where you are, again, for anyone who hasn't followed this in New York, what they are doing is they are saying that Donald Trump made hush money payments to someone and he falsified business records to do this.
00:12:15.180Because that is a crime, a felony, because he's doing it to cover up another crime.
00:12:20.820They can't tell you what that other crime is.
00:12:22.300Well, so it's only a felony if you're covering up another felony.
00:12:26.000So the felony they're alleging is that he broke federal election law, which means one, New York is prosecuting him for supposedly breaking laws in a totally separate jurisdiction.
00:12:49.820They considered it and they declined to press charges.
00:12:53.560So this is an offense he has explicitly been cleared of.
00:12:57.080And then New York is just saying, actually, we think you did it.
00:13:00.420And so we're going to prosecute you for this.
00:13:02.980And even then it would be a bullcrap case because it would be saying any money you spend that can help your reputation is actually a campaign expenditure,
00:13:12.140which would be a massive expansion of what we count as a campaign expenditure.
00:13:16.620Every level of this is completely insane.
00:13:20.060Whether the jury recognizes that, I don't think we're going to get an acquittal.
00:13:30.820What I wonder is, would that be enough to make the left decide we need to get rid of unanimous juries?
00:13:35.840We need 10 to something like that, which they have until now really hated.
00:13:40.520They've always hated it because you can.
00:13:43.580And it makes it more likely that people will go to jail, basically.
00:13:47.080And, of course, the left loves having criminals be out of jail as long as they just murder people or rob people and aren't just politicians they dislike.
00:17:19.840Yeah, I just I think that if you tell the story to a normal person, they get outraged about it and they get outraged that these kids got kicked out of school.
00:17:27.600And I think that the same sort of thing.
00:17:29.100I mean, for example, this kid at Ole Miss, he got kicked out of his fraternity.
00:17:32.540He hasn't been kicked out of school yet.
00:17:33.640But I got so many emails from Ole Miss alumni, insanely mad that this is even an issue.
00:17:46.680Meaning in 2020, alumni would have been like, oh, well, you know, if you're racist, you have to play, you know, you have to pay a price for it.
00:17:53.200Here's here's a thought provoking question.
00:17:58.560Again, I'm not a big believer in destroying people's lives over blackface, even if it is legit blackface.
00:18:03.080Now, if again, context matters, but I cannot see a context where other than if you are, especially if you're a kid.
00:18:09.480But if you're an adult and you're wearing blackface and you're doing it to try to be racist to a black person, that's a separate issue.
00:18:15.300But I don't mean meaning like and has that ever happened?
00:18:17.160I just want to qualify it, which is what.
00:18:19.680But for example, like plenty of Megan Silverman, Sarah Silverman wore blackface and Joy Behar wore blackface and they haven't had their careers canceled.
00:18:30.160And you're saying Megan Kelly, who did get canceled.
00:18:32.660Yeah, but it's selective cultural enforcement.
00:18:34.900And I don't think there should be a kid.
00:18:37.760Let's say those kids were wearing blackface.
00:18:39.220I don't think those kids should have been canceled.
00:20:46.660Well, I was going to say that the thing that it reminds me of is this similar to, I guess, the situation with the frat boy at, I believe it was Ole Miss.
00:20:58.880And, you know, or at least I don't know if he was, or I guess he was a frat boy.
00:21:02.140He's been kicked out of his frat for, I guess, you know, he was part of a group that was taunting this black pro-Hamas, you know, pro-Hamas person.
00:21:11.320And the question is, you know, was he really making racial tones?
00:21:17.520And, you know, or even if it was, you know, the question is like, are you really going to cancel him over that versus like pulling him off?
00:21:24.480Like, I think a good way there's this economist, Brian Kaplan, who's a libertarian, but sometimes when they have a cancel frenzy, he likes to ask like, okay, rationally speaking, is this worse than a husband cheating on his wife and like leaving her and his kids to be with his mistress?
00:21:41.040Something that, one, happens all the time, two, people often remain friends with those who do it, and like three, we allow public figures to do it and basically suffer no criminal or even not much social sanction for it.
00:21:53.500And so is anything like this, is doing blackface and having a photo of it appear on Twitter worse than that, is making like a King Kong noise at a protest worse than that?
00:22:04.620And I would say in both cases the answer is no.
00:22:07.120And at the least, we are, and for that matter, we're more forgiving of people who like commit assaults and robbery or who point guns at women's abdomens and then later become career criminals.
00:22:17.960Like, we have some sort of bizarre moral hierarchy problem where something that makes people kind of mildly uncomfortable in their stomach is treated as this grave moral atrocity.
00:22:30.400It's because the ultimate sin is thou shalt not be racist.
00:22:33.840Yes, and like, I think if we have a collective exhaustion with that, and maybe we see that in the form of this jury ruling, or when you might see it in the sense of even like the roast of Tom Brady, like the roast of Tom Brady had all of these transgressive jokes, and everyone seems to agree that it was amazing and hilarious.
00:22:51.220That can be a good sign, and we see more comedians just making extremely anti-woke humor part of their brand, and if this continues, we can win, I think.
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00:25:11.320So the hook story on this was we have this new study out of the U.K. from the Center for Policy Studies, which sounds like the fakest organization in the world, which they studied immigration into the United Kingdom.
00:25:22.560And they found, surprise, surprise, that all of the immigration that was going to save their economy and their pension system and everything actually had basically no positive effect on their economic growth.
00:25:33.220But it was driving up housing costs because London is an incredibly crowded city and they can't build anything because you can't build anything in modern countries anymore.
00:25:41.120So let me ask you, when I go on campus, an activist or a student will commonly say, well, immigrants are a net benefit to society and they are, the refugees, they'll pay into society, they'll pay taxes.
00:26:58.180Or, you know, they'll work this amount and that'll often just account for the fact that they might come here like they're disproportionately of working age.
00:27:07.120We don't have as many people come here who are one year old or 75 years old.
00:27:11.520But when we check the numbers in some countries, especially in Europe, Europe, it's it's actually like worse than here where they just love to admit people who are a total drag on their country.
00:27:23.700Like they'll run the numbers in Germany and Afghan migrants and such who they let in, you know, a million of them in 2015, a million, half a million, some big number like that.
00:27:32.600And something like only 62 percent of them have any form of employment years later.
00:27:38.960You know, it's almost been a decade now.
00:27:40.780There's like 10, 15 percent below overall German adults.
00:27:45.140And then these adults from Afghanistan, way less likely to work.
00:27:48.840And when they do work, they work for less.
00:27:51.020And the ones who are not working are more likely to be on X, Y, Z social program.
00:27:55.400But that's not what this discussion is about, Charlie.
00:27:57.960We're going to talk about something more important.
00:29:26.940They're a total head case here because they're kind of having this like a Hick Lib post Catholic weirdo guilt thing where they've decided that being a Christian country all those years was a big mistake.
00:29:38.280And they're acting out in a really wild way now.
00:29:40.600Like abortion was banned in Ireland a decade ago.
00:29:43.000And now they're basically running around being like abort everything.
00:45:39.660Yeah. Crowder's a hundred percent right there. There's, there's no question is this is something
00:45:44.340that we've all faced at one point or another, you know, in, in America, right? So we've talked
00:45:49.340about that stuff on this program, on our separate programs, birthright citizenship, uh, as well as
00:45:54.360illegals getting citizenship, various things that we've all, that we've gone even further than that
00:45:58.700at times tripping citizenship. And the issue is not whether or not we have the courage to say those
00:46:05.520things. The issue is the fact that because of the color of our skin, which happens to be white or
00:46:12.320classified as white, that we don't get the same kind of pushback or excuse me, we get pushback
00:46:18.040that a guy like Vivek or a guy like, uh, you know, any, you know, what do you want to call it?
00:46:24.240Any non-white conservative would not receive because we are, we all get called racist for
00:46:29.240saying those things. Whereas they don't get the same kind of pushback because they don't have
00:46:34.100white skin. And it's as simple as that. This is a basic form. And that's what Crowder is explaining
00:46:38.180right there, that this is a basic form of the anti-white regime that we have in this country
00:46:42.660that will always push back and will always go straight to that. If you are white and espouse
00:46:48.520any of those, uh, any of those statements. Yeah. So I just want to make sure I understand.
00:46:53.780Let's, let's pretend that Anne wasn't saying this is for clicks. And she said it as bluntly
00:46:57.960that I won't vote for an Indian, right? But is Vivek not American? She, she thinks that
00:47:04.580a country he wasn't born in is his country just because his parents are from that country. Is
00:47:09.340that her position? I would take the position. I want to vote for an Ohioan. I'd vote for JD Vance.
00:47:14.260I'm just kidding. I'd vote for Jim. For a president? For JD Vance? For president? A hundred percent.
00:47:19.920One day, JD Vance for president. If he was on the ballot. Yeah, of course.
00:47:22.940Against every other day. I said for JD as vice president. I'm just teasing Ohioans. Oh my God.
00:47:27.640I do think what she's partly getting at that maybe she's miss assigning it to him being Indian as
00:47:34.300opposed to something else. But there is a strong sense that Vivek is, he is a strong upstart. So
00:47:40.440he doesn't have a super political background. And in the last four or five years, he's, he writes a few
00:47:47.400books criticizing like wokeness and business runs for president when he's 36, 37, uh, is pretty recently
00:47:55.360taking all of his views. I remember he like hadn't really decided an immigration view even like a year
00:48:00.600ago. So he's saying really based stuff now, but it's like, it's so quick that you could easily just
00:48:07.140say he essentially has, you know, consultants go, tell me what the most based thing to tell
00:48:12.280Republicans is right now to appeal to them. Like there's a sense that could he be, is he saying
00:48:18.540stuff we agree with? Yes. Does he seem to get it? Yeah. He's doing it really well, but could he be like
00:48:24.060see, you know, manipulating us as his path to like slingshot his way into a cabinet seat,
00:48:29.980into the vice presidency, into the white house? I, I, I think the criticism of the, again,
00:48:34.600I don't want to, I will chalk it up to Anne's very impressive career on the topic saying something
00:48:40.420either they got clicks or that she doesn't actually necessarily mean, because I bet, I bet
00:48:43.480I could drill Anne down on this where it's like, okay, if Vivek did everything he said he was going
00:48:48.480to do. And he was running up against like Bernie Sanders, who's waspy or he's Jewish, but I mean,
00:48:54.180like, let's just pick a, pick a wasp left winger. Okay. Okay. Who would you vote for? Anne Coulter,
00:49:00.640like waspy socialist, you know, open borders or Vivek. So I, I just, I, I don't, I don't like that.
00:49:07.560And on a funny level, it's kind of like modern American politics. When you think about it,
00:49:11.860a huge portion of the conservative Republican electorate is like non-wasp people who have
00:49:18.680assimilated to old wasp values while the wasps themselves have become these sort of secularized,
00:49:25.160you know, modernist liberals who have abandoned all of that. Like when you, so when you think of
00:49:29.640who founded the Republican party, when the Republican party was created, it was the most
00:49:33.560wasp thing to ever exist. Pure Yankee dumb, all of these Episcopalians and Methodists in Northern
00:49:39.940States. And the descendants of those people are overwhelmingly pretty liberal. And then the
00:49:44.940people who love the old Republican platform from 1860, 1880 are, you know, the children of Irish
00:49:52.580immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, these days, like Mexican immigrants, like you're
00:49:59.220getting sort of this latter day adoption of the old Yankee values. And that's probably the best display
00:50:05.060of American multiculturalism. Let me just say the other question of this, did Vivek push back
00:50:09.860enough? I actually, what that's my, I would say if I, if somebody would have told me, I can't vote
00:50:15.260for you, Charlie, cause you're a white person, I would explode on them. What if they said that to
00:50:18.820you and you were in India? If I was in India, like if you'd immigrated somewhere else, it depends on
00:50:24.120what the Indian value system is. Like you immigrated, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. If I
00:50:28.280would have assimil, if I would have like assimilated to Indian culture, like Vivek has assimilated to
00:50:33.460America. You would never win an election though. Well, okay. This is very hypothetical, but I wouldn't want to say
00:50:38.540never. India, India let an Italian become their, their prime minister. Go ahead, guys. Uh, no, sorry.
00:50:44.980No, no, you can do it. Keep going. No, it's good. No, keep going. Uh, I, I, but that keep going with
00:50:50.420that. No, I was saying if I would have gone to India and India had the same values, India doesn't
00:50:55.300have American values though. They don't treat like outsiders very well. They have a caste system.
00:50:59.600That's what makes it, should make America a little different is that it's about your value
00:51:03.440system, not about your skin color. It should be. I, maybe that's not an ideal that we hold up
00:51:08.120anymore. It's a bad example because Indians with the caste system don't really love English
00:51:15.260colonizers. So I don't think, I think they have a bad rap. So I think you're not going
00:51:20.140to get elected in India to anything. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not the same,
00:51:24.560right? But I mean, I'll, I'll, I'll repeat this though, which is, I mean, the, the question
00:51:30.360is, did Vivek push back enough? Well, I was just going to say, I think that she just is very
00:51:36.780representative. She's very boomerish in how she looks at things, how she responds to things
00:51:42.660is very boomerish. She's like the cool boomer in the room that like all the boomers are like,
00:51:47.920that's the coolest boomer. And like with that are on our side, more conservative, like tea
00:51:52.880party ask, whatever. She just is very boomer and how her immediate like knee jerk reaction
00:51:58.500responses. And I think like, she just says stuff to like, kind of be cooler sometimes with this
00:52:04.880stuff. And you know, Vivek is great. Like your point is exactly right. Charlie is like, why would
00:52:09.940you take a open borders, you know, Coke products? Like, like, uh, Blake was saying like super lib
00:52:18.680waspy guy over a Vivek who's like heading towards the right direction. Does it make sense?
00:52:25.140Jack, Jack, where do you fall on this? Do you think Vivek pushed back enough?
00:52:27.540So I've heard that argument a couple of times. And I remember people saying this as well in the
00:52:35.640Tucker Carlson Putin argument. Oh, you didn't push back enough. Tucker didn't push back enough. He
00:52:40.240didn't push back. I come down this on the side of an interviewer, right? If you're an interviewer and
00:52:46.060you're doing a show, Charlie, you have people on all the time. And the question of like, did you push
00:52:51.460back more? It's like, well, I look at it this way. Did I bring someone on with the intention? Did I,
00:52:58.600you know, did I, I book it as a debate? Did I explain it was going to be a debate? Or did I say
00:53:03.360it was going to be an interview and I'm interested in actually seeing what that person has to say?
00:53:07.480And so those are two separate things. If I'm interested in what that person has to say,
00:53:11.060I'm not going to push back because then you're going to get more information out of them. Then you're
00:53:15.100going to be able to actually have a more, um, a more free flowing conversation and open
00:53:19.500conversation. But the minute you start pushing back, the minute you start attacking someone,
00:53:22.700that's when your physical and mental defenses start raising up. You, you know, like your
00:53:26.080pressure arms, you lean back more, your body language completely changes, your micro expressions
00:53:29.560change. So you're going to have a completely different situation. So I think it's a, I think
00:53:34.120it's a false argument when people say, Oh, you didn't push back enough. And it's something
00:53:37.560that I just don't, um, yeah, I don't really, I don't really hold against interviewers and I don't
00:53:41.500think I ever will. Do you, do you think you should have pushed back more? It was his show.
00:53:46.180She came on, I think they've interacted before. Um, it was a little weird. I, I, I'm never
00:53:53.280going to, uh, like say someone was really awful because they didn't get really mad because
00:53:58.900it's, it's good to have mastery over your emotions. Uh, it might be a little too slick
00:54:04.800where he's just like saying like, Oh, you know, Ann says her thing, but we were just saying
00:54:08.780don't, I guess don't flip out about things that are allegedly racist. And maybe we should
00:54:12.640include explicitly saying, I will not let you do things because of your race. Yeah. I just, I mean,
00:54:19.100I don't, I think it's just, it's on, it's needlessly like shallow where it's like, okay.
00:54:24.480And would you rather have like a left-wing waspy president or someone like Vivek, who's a Hindu
00:54:29.620who might do like really based things? Yeah, I guess not. I, I, I suppose that the policy
00:54:34.760doesn't mean as much to her. Does that worry, uh, you at all? I guess like America has every
00:54:40.020president we've had has at least nominally been Christian. Does America lose something
00:54:44.920if we have a president who is just not Christian? I asked, I mean, I talked to Vivek about this
00:54:50.320recently and I, I want, he, he, he espouses a form of Hinduism that is dualism or non-dualism,
00:54:58.840meaning he believes, he says he's a monotheist. So there's a, uh, there's a separate part of
00:55:03.740Hinduism that is monotheism. You'll see this with modern Hinduism. They'll say like all the gods
00:55:08.760are manifestations of like a single divine essence. So that bothers me less because polytheism
00:55:15.180is like directly at odds with ethical monotheism. But no, I mean, I would take Vivek over like David
00:55:21.140French in a second for president. Would you? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Like David French is
00:55:26.760like a Christian, right? Or I mean the guy that wrote this like ridiculous book. David French.
00:55:31.600How about Joe Scarborough who pretends, he pretends he's a Christian every morning on Morning Joe.
00:55:35.700I feel like David, the thing is, is that Vivek would be able to read the Bible and he'd be able
00:55:39.900to find like a good number of books in it that he agrees with. Whereas David French kind of like
00:55:44.120condensed the Bible down to that turn the other cheek verse. And then he like cut out all the other,
00:55:48.660it's like the Jefferson Bible, except you cut out everything but one verse.
00:55:51.400Yeah, you cut out the sword and you, cause like all the, like the most wimpy like interpretations.
00:55:55.740Yeah. I think we honed in on it. I think it was her dating history with Dinesh that that's what she
00:56:01.860was really saying between the lines. That's getting too psychological for me. I'll never date or vote
00:56:07.260for an Indian. Steve, final thoughts, Jack, on that. Uh, I, I have, I, I, uh, I had a rule about
00:56:17.060Italian women after my first girlfriend that I've talked to since then. See, for sure. All right.
00:56:24.160Next topic. Two options. We can talk about the onion or we can talk about surrogates.
00:56:28.060Onion. Onion. All right. So absolute earthquake in the media landscape. The onion, a publication
00:56:35.180you last read 15 years ago when it was funny, has new management. And it's actually the funniest
00:56:41.940thing the onion has done in at least 10 years. I would say the onion got bought by some Silicon
00:56:47.700Valley gigalib and he decided to let Ben Collins be in charge of it. Now, Ben Collins, for those
00:56:55.080of you who don't know, he's the like lame half of the reporting deal with Brandy Zadrosany
00:57:00.520and Ben Collins. Yes. And all he does, you can go read his Twitter. He's made something
00:57:05.140like 80,000 tweets by now, I bet. And all Ben Collins does is sit on Twitter or until he
00:57:10.280left. I think he left cause like Twitter was too offensive and moan and be like, there's so
00:57:14.980much hate on this website. There's so much hate. They're threatening people's lives. Charlie
00:57:21.880Kirk is a Nazi. And he's just like freaks out like this. And so they made him the editor
00:57:26.600in chief of, he gets really sweaty. He cries. He once almost went into tears talking about
00:57:32.340Elon Musk buying Twitter cause he was so upset about it. And big picture, he is the least
00:57:39.040funny person. I will pay someone $50. If they can send me a funny thing that Ben Collins has
00:57:47.020posted that makes me laugh. I dare all of you. I will pay you if you can do it. And so we
00:57:52.620have modern, like the modern onion is like we have new articles and they're all just like
00:57:58.020the worst lectures in the world. Let's see if we can like bring some of this up on screen.
00:58:02.460Um, cause we were checking some of their headlines, like with the, uh, campus. What's that one
00:58:09.160there? Can you read that one? Yeah. Like Florida's near total abortion ban by the numbers. And
00:58:14.180I'm sure there's allegedly a joke in that, but it's really just like Florida there, they're
00:58:18.840taking away a woman's right to cheese. It's so serious. It's not funny. There's no joke
00:58:23.480we can make about it. Yes. And I'm just going to go to the website right now. Are they succeeding?
00:58:28.480Is the onion doing well? Well, I mean they got, they got sold. So whoever owned it, the AV club
00:58:34.660thought it was an asset worth spinning off. Yeah. Trump drapes jacket overhead. So nobody can tell
00:58:40.160he's sleeping in court. Meanwhile, the Babylon bees actually funny. Yeah. Babylon bees is amazing.
00:58:51.960And so their new woke Jesus video is hilarious. Yeah. And the big picture is, I think a lot of us
00:58:57.480did read the onion 20 years ago and we weren't liberal and it didn't always hit, but there
00:59:03.320used to be a world where people on the left were often funny and now they're just not.
00:59:09.760And I guess it's an interesting evolution. And is it that too many things became sacred
00:59:14.660and the nature of comedy is being able to poke fun at things?
00:59:18.860That's a good topic, which is, uh, and I think you were in the car when we were talking about
00:59:22.800this, you said the Tom Brady roast was like one of the few like reemergences of old comedy.
00:59:28.880Can you talk about that? Oh yeah. I don't think we have any clips of it, but that shows that's
00:59:33.080a tension with the onion thing though. Yeah. And so, but it was, I guess you would say is
00:59:38.800it felt almost like, I don't want to say right wing comedy cause that's going too far, but it
00:59:43.220was a lot of jokes that certainly like smug left wingers would say like, that's not okay.
00:59:49.560That's punching down. Like they made jokes about, uh, Aaron Hernandez hanging himself in
00:59:54.380his prison cell, uh, which is definitely pretty dark. That would be like triggering to a million
00:59:59.360people. There were no trigger warnings for a bunch of this. Um, it's like, I guess good
01:00:07.200comedy requires the ability to take a risk. And if the risk doesn't work out, it won't be
01:00:11.560the end of your life. And I think that might be the big flaw of left wing comedy is you cannot
01:00:17.100take a risk on the left because if your joke falls flat, it's not just an unfunny joke.
01:00:22.320It might be the end of your life. You will lose your job. You'll, they'll make your wife
01:00:27.280divorce you. They'll try to find a way to throw you in prison. They'll, they'll do every
01:00:32.600manner of bad thing. And unsurprisingly, this is a situation that doesn't lead to very good
01:00:38.260comedy. I'll bet that they had comedians in the USSR and I suspect that they were not very
01:00:42.780funny. Tyler, did you watch the roast? Yeah. It was incredible. It was incredible. It was
01:00:47.660like throwback two thousands comedy central. How are they able to stop doing the roast
01:00:52.020like years ago on comedy central because comedy central got too woke, but how are they able
01:00:56.540to get it? Just, they wanted the ratings. Netflix didn't care because they went there. They
01:01:00.740broke a lot of the rules of modern comedy. So Netflix has, uh, was doing this. I don't
01:01:06.860know if everybody knows this, but they had a, a convention, a Netflix comedy convention
01:01:11.480that they were doing. Netflix is a joke. They have a radio station on. So they're trying
01:01:15.320to make money. Right. And it turns out in order to make money, you have to actually be
01:01:19.860funny. So this is, this is in perfect juxtaposition to the onion and why it's going to fail is that
01:01:25.660and nothing could be greater and grander than looking at, like, I mean, we saw with daily,
01:01:30.740the daily show, right? What happened with the daily show? The daily show got, I think they're
01:01:35.140bringing back part of it, right? They brought back Jon Stewart. They had to bring back Jon
01:01:38.960Stewart with three other people just to try to like revive it. They have, this is the
01:01:43.920new onion. Advisors assure Biden, this will blow over once all Gazans dead. Say that again.
01:01:51.000Advisors tell Biden that all of this will blow over once all the Gazans are dead. Okay.
01:01:56.420Is that the onion? That's the onion. That's the onion. I'm just going through Ben Collins'
01:02:00.300Twitter. He's now just spamming, you know, his new onion articles from his super duper funny.
01:02:04.960But the Babylon Bee is hilarious. Let me, let me read this top. Bob Iger insists Disney stock drop
01:02:09.880not caused by failure of latest movie. Gay black Pinocchio protests for Palestine.
01:02:14.340It's hilarious. Yeah. Let's go back and forth here. Like, so the onion, sorry, I'm late. These
01:02:19.000protesters were a nightmare. Says blood spattered, riot gear clad Biden entering press conference.
01:02:25.180Babylon Bee, Biden strikes deal where Hamas gets to keep American hostages in exchange for 15
01:02:29.560electoral votes in Michigan. That's good, right? It's like, it's real comedy. So, oh man.
01:02:38.320I'll have this one. Stormy Daniels offers hush money to courtroom sketch artists to please stop
01:02:41.980drawing her. It's like, that's actual comedy. All right. Here's Dana White who gets pretty upset
01:02:50.320about the Tom Brady, uh, uh, uh, roast. Played at 145. Actually, let me get into this real quick. It pisses me off. I flew all the way out here. And you guys give me 60 seconds. My name is Dana. Is that not trans enough for you liberal fuckers?
01:03:07.320I think at another point, someone said they were like Tom Brady, like you only brought like one black wide receiver here or something real woke of you. Some joke like that. I heard it secondhand, but it was, it was pretty nasty though. I mean, like it got there. So nine 11. Oh yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe was so funny too. Who made the nine 11 joke? Was it, was it Brady himself? Tom Brady. Yeah. Yeah. Two jets slammed into a drew blood.
01:03:36.500Two jets were slamming into two blood. So in September, 2001 in September. Yeah. It was, it was like, Whoa, Whoa. So this is, this is kind of like the theory. So we should, we should actually go, go around. Like, um, there's a theory that kind of running around the, um, you know, like right wing frog Twitter right now. And the idea is have we reached peak woke? Um, and a lot of people, so this, the theory has been posited and even like the New York
01:04:05.660Times has written about this, uh, financial times, a bunch of people saying it, but the real question is, have we at this point and is the roast of Tom Brady, um, you know, have we reached peak woke?
01:04:17.780I would also, I would also say, uh, that, um, uh, that peak woke is, is also exemplified by the fact that, um, you notice that like Hollywood is starting to actually cast like, like really attractive women again in movies.
01:04:35.780And SNL has, you know, a lot of these different, um, a lot of the actresses are like not, what's the word to say? The traditional standard of beauty, uh, has now returned. And so I guess this is my question. Have, have we reached peak woke?
01:04:51.480Uh, it depends where, I mean, I, I just, I think that at some point the Lords of easy money, you can't sustain a business enterprise just by force putting forward a revolution.
01:05:02.380I think, I mean, I think it's going to matter a lot that for example, if the onion is not funny and the Babylon Bee is young people do like what is funny and that's a cultural power. We, you know, we haven't had for a long time.
01:05:16.440I'd say going back maybe at least like 70 years, the funniest comedians by consensus are usually left leaning as a whole, uh, not 100% of the time, but most of the, you know, they would be left of center culturally. And now we're actually at the point where I feel if you ask people like, who do you consider like the, what's the funniest website, you know, or who are the funniest people, you know, they're just not, they're definitely not going to be normie libs.
01:05:43.560It's at most, they would be some sort of libertarian leaning person or maybe some like actual total, like weird commie Marxist whack job.
01:05:51.900Well, because comedy is supposed to go up against the norm and the culture, the dominant.
01:05:55.660It subverts your expectations as they would say.
01:05:58.120At the very least up against the dominant.
01:05:59.600Yeah. Even if they say like, oh, good comedy punches down, which I don't, or punches, it's punches up, punches up, punches up, which I don't actually fully agree with. You can totally punch down and it's hilarious.
01:06:08.660But if you believe in that, well, punching up is always going to be targeting left-wing things. There is no conservative establishment anymore. And no matter how hard they try to pretend that this is the case, like if you're, if you're protesting at Columbia, you are protesting against a bunch of liberals. You are not protesting the man.
01:06:24.920So I saw this clip super early and this is a, this is an example of comics going right. This is one of my favorite clips. This is a, I don't know what this comic's name is. If you guys can get me his name, I want to make sure I give him credit.
01:06:34.860He's at the laugh factory, which Andrew used to go to a lot. And the best part of this is that he starts doing improv kind of with the guy in the front row. Like, Hey, what do you do for a living? And the guy takes his job so seriously. I worked for the Biden administration. Not thinking he's going to get roasted. And then he like keeps, he, the guy in the crowd is like, oh no, no, no. I go, I traveled to Southern States. Not realizing like, how dare you make fun of me type thing. This is, this is an amazing clip. Play cut 146.
01:06:58.720Nick, what do you do for a living now? You work for the Biden administration. Is your job to wake them up or what's your job?
01:07:08.000Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, there's a war. Okay. What do you do for the Biden administration? What a show of a job you have. I can't believe you admitted that in front of all these people. You have the freedom to lie. You could have said you were a hooker and I would have been prouder of you. What do you do?
01:07:28.720You go to the South and try to sell them on Biden. You're f***ing r***ed. What the f*** are you talking about? That's your f***ing job.
01:07:48.800You go, Hey, listen, I know you guys like Trump, but Biden, I mean, wow. Um, are you ready to be unemployed or what's your vibe?
01:08:00.400This guy is Arab. His name is Josh Ocean Thomas. When you lose the frontline comics like that, that's a bad sign.
01:08:08.800Not even just lose them, but when the clips go viral and they're, they're authentically funny.
01:08:12.460Yes. I've been around a while. I think you and I can probably recall there have been attempts at conservative comedy, like in the Bush years, in the Obama years, and they didn't stick.
01:08:24.240They would be kind of cringe, kind of lame. They just, they didn't quite get what made things funny. And especially since Trump, it's just been different.
01:08:33.300The people who are the funniest Twitter accounts you can follow, they, they like code. I'm not saying they're explicitly right wing in the sense that they're saying like, go vote Republican, but they code as right wing.
01:08:44.200They are much more offensive to liberals than to conservatives. And that's a big change. And I don't think Ben Collins is going to change it.
01:08:52.660But even though like someone coming up and telling me Ben Collins was just named the head of the onion is one of the funniest things that I have heard in my entire life.
01:09:16.380And he's going after like one guy in one of the interviews was like, Hey, there are not enough white people in your audiences. And he's like, are you serious? And then like, just like going after all sorts of stuff. Cause he's like, yeah, they're killing comedy. The left is killing comedy. He's, I think he said the left is killing comedy.
01:09:32.560Speaking of killing comedy, we have some troll in our, our comments who's saying, uh, suck my farts over and over again for eat my butt 12. He's actually funnier than the onion.
01:09:42.100Rumble. Like all week. He was on my show. Yeah. He's probably an onion contributor. He might be Ben Collins. If you, if you do follow Ben Collins's Twitter, one of the secrets you discover is Ben Collins is like never, never not posting on the internet, never offline, never not coming up with reasons to call people racist Nazis. He is truly the most humorless person I have ever seen online.
01:10:10.220And that's saying something. Cause there's a lot of very pouty liberals on the internet.
01:10:15.780Well, I wanted to say this one thing about the comics. It's just so many of them, they've attempted to cancel, including, uh, what's his face that we just dropped in the chat that they canceled off SNL. Um, you guys know that whole history with him, right?
01:10:44.680We have Shane Gillis's tape right here. Let's play cut one 47.
01:10:47.880The night the United States killed the leader of ISIS, Trump comes out of the situation room at like midnight, walks up in front of the entire world at midnight and just goes,
01:11:29.080but he actually kind of is as a cultural presence,
01:11:31.460like the funniest person in the world.
01:11:33.740Like the amount of comedy that has been earnestly generated by Trump supporters who love Trump is higher than the comedy we get from anything else.
01:11:42.420And that is Donald huge cultural importance.
01:11:49.540he once went on an interview and was saying that he actually went to a Trump rally once and was was talking about Trump's public speaking skills.