THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 49 — Taxing Tips? SPLC Implodes? Europe Lurching Right?
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Summary
Jack Posobiec and his co-hosts Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer are in Detroit, Michigan. They discuss the importance of the Black vote in Michigan, why the Democratic Party is losing ground in the state, and why they need to win in Michigan.
Transcript
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DNSSEC specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Here we are, Detroit, Michigan, for once of our very rare, very rare in-person Thought Crime episodes.
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Charlie Kirk is currently wrapping up a few assignments for the People's Convention around the building.
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Though we are on site, and his arrival is imminent.
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Because Detroit's arguably one of the most important places that we need to win.
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Well, I mean, we've gone through this so much on Charlie's show and on your show and everything else.
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There's six states that we've known coming into this election that will ultimately decide who becomes president.
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Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada.
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Statistically, Arizona, Wisconsin, we've landed on statistically are the most important.
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Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan are all right there.
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Michigan has been elusive for conservatives because it has some of the worst election laws in the country.
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However, recent polling has shown that people are pretty pissed off here.
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And for that reason, and we can see the slide that's happening with the Democrat Party, especially the African-American community and the black community, this is an important place.
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And so the Republican Party has really done not enough, not nearly enough in Michigan.
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So we looked at this and said, Georgia is looking like it's shaping up in our column.
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The the RNC convention is going to be in in Wisconsin.
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Obviously, we're doing everything that we're doing in Arizona.
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How much stock do you give that 10 points up for Trump in Arizona?
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Well, look, you know, they were saying the same thing about Carrie Lake.
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So we know this is that the election manipulation schemes that the Democrats run, I believe and I think a lot of people have landed on you're right in that seven, eight percent that they have the ability.
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So if a 10 point poll means you're really up if they're manipulating in full force, you're up maybe two points.
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I'm not comfortable until we get to like polls that are like 12, 13, 14 points where I know when we know Democrats are fighting as hard as they are funding tens of millions of dollars in that state.
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It's like I'm not comfortable until that kind of like dorky guy in MSNBC who does their election map.
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Oh, until we get reports that he's like been seen throwing himself out of a window.
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Yeah, I was thinking about why we're in Detroit specifically.
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And what I do like to point out to people is there is this sort of narrative with 2020 that we lost because like they had a ton of ballots come out in these big cities.
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But actually, it wasn't like that in Michigan or even in Pennsylvania.
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If you look at the county by county results and how they changed from 2016 to 2020, Wayne County, which is where Detroit is, it was one point more Democrat than 2016, which was basically nothing compared to, you know, the overall shifts.
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All the other counties in Michigan, Macomb County, Oakland County, Livingston County, Washtenaw County, which is where Ann Arbor is, they all swerved a lot more.
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And so you could kind of see in Wayne County in Philadelphia where you have the building blocks of what we're hopefully seeing now, which is where you have non-white voters, younger voters, sort of marginal voters, low propensity voters being much more open to voting for Trump than they've ever been in the past.
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And for Republicans generally, well, and that's but that's the game plan.
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So that's how the the left works. Right. So the left operates looking at where their targets are.
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So, you know, they they've already maxed out the amount of.
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Come on, you're taking over for me. Save him. Yeah, we're just going to change the camp.
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We're going to throw them out. I'm going to finish this thought. I'm actually going to Charlie fight him for it, is that you have.
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The Democrats have tapped themselves out in most of these deep blue areas, but you have these other deep blue areas in places like Grand Rapids, for example, and that's where they haven't excavated enough votes.
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And so that's where you see a lot of places outside of Wayne County.
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And this is the same goes for all the other states. Right.
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Which is that they're going they're finding the deep blue pockets, whether it's the colleges and universities, whether it's extrapolating out as many of those votes as they can from the senior communities.
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They're doing that all across the rest of the state.
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And that's why you saw that shift really outside.
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Nothing. There was really no change in Wayne. Right.
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Because they already had taken they moved out beyond Wayne in 2020 and they had to do that and they will continue to do that.
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Now they're in the position where they're like, oh, now we've got to replicate what we did moving outside of Wayne in 2020.
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And with that, we welcome in Charlie. Well, it's what we'll do is while you guys are switching out, I think we have a we have the promos you can run 112, 113.
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So let's run those promos real quick. And Charlie's going to get situated.
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We are here. Sorry I'm late. I got caught up at the Blexit thing. It's amazing. It's like 800 people.
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Yeah, that's exactly right. I had to do a CK exit from Blexit.
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We're just going to keep going past that one. We're not going to.
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I've been looking at Canada all day. I keep catching glimpses.
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I think the whole thing is like a big sigh up, which is they're flying that Canadian flag.
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Are you referring to the giant pride flag that we saw in the convention center?
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No, exactly. That's why the Canadian flag outside of the convention center.
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So you know what's really weird actually being in Detroit is that's actually south.
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So you're in Detroit and you're going south into Canada.
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I have a very good sense of direction. Detroit challenges that.
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Because you're kind of like sloped up against – that's the Detroit River, right?
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And it's international boundary waters or something.
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That's technically like half of it's in America, half of it's not.
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Well, we were just – we were kind of going through and we're talking about why – and Tyler was giving us the rundown – why Detroit?
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It's like, Tyler, what are we doing in Detroit?
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So he was giving us the rundown from that perspective of this is a Rust Belt swing state.
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It's a state that if we can pick up Michigan, that requires the Democrats to have to put funding all over the place in the areas that they wish they wouldn't have to.
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And it currently looks like – although day-to-day there might be some shakeups, it does look like it might be the best Rust Belt pickup for us.
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But, I mean, Jack, you could speak about that probably better than I, being a Pennsylvanian.
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See, the reason I always discount Pennsylvania is because I'm so biased on it.
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It's that I won't allow myself to have any hope for it.
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It's like me with Arizona, meaning like I won't – yeah, I won't accept it.
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And by the same time, there's a poll that says Trump's up eight.
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And I'll be there every single day of the election.
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What I will say about the blue wall strategy is you need to compete in all three.
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You have to make all three close or else you allow Joe Biden to have way too much –
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to allow you know which one that you like the best, you have to keep the other campaign guessing.
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For example, micro-issues could end up making Michigan the best of the three states
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And Cornell West having the – Abdullah, is that her name?
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And then Jill Stein was going to appoint the Dearborn-Michigan mayor as her vice president.
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We don't know what RFK ends up doing in Michigan.
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And so we don't exactly know what that's going to look like.
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Pennsylvania, structurally, from a voter registration standpoint, looks at it the best out of the three.
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However, I will say, though, out of the three, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
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Wisconsin, the polling is the worst or the toughest, but it is the hardest to cheat of the three.
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It has 118 counties, and Trump overperforms Wisconsin polling the most of any polling.
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With Wisconsin, each of them, like you say, has a different thing.
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I'd say with Pennsylvania, what you have is – like rural Pennsylvania, it's like the reddest area of any of these states.
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Michigan, you have those factors you just brought up.
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With Wisconsin, you have – it's hard to poll.
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It has the most, like, rural white voters, not college educated.
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It has the most midtowns, too, though, meaning, like, they're middle-sized towns.
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I think it has the lowest college graduation rate of those three states, so you have more non-college voters, which we've done pretty well with.
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And as you say, we've just – we've overperformed in it multiple times, and it's the only one that's not Democrat-dominated right now.
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And to the RNC's great credit, they're doing the convention exactly where they should be doing it, in Milwaukee.
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And interestingly, my theory is the Democrats are doing their convention in Chicago because they wish they could have done it in Milwaukee and it has overflow media effect.
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Because meaning, like, they believe that the Midwest is so important.
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They said, I'll just put it in Chicago because you get – and they're kind of right.
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I think there's a J.D. Pritzker element to this, too, where – or why didn't they do it in Detroit?
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Or try to be aggressive and put it in Phoenix and be like –
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If they would have done it in Phoenix, that would have – I mean, weather is a little bit prohibitive.
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In Phoenix, I mean, but that would have been really ballsy.
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But as far as – I just have to give the team credit because I pushed the team really hard.
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So we actually have a down payment in Palm Beach that we are parlaying with the Believer Summit coming up in July.
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I never – yeah, I've been meaning to get this story out of you because it's usually the summer event is down in Florida.
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Because, I mean, look, we had a great event last summer.
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So this was this day when the Secret Service gave us, what, three magnetometers?
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Was it two magnetometers at Atcon in Palm Beach last year?
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Charlie goes out dressed basically as he's dressed now in full suit, sweating profusely, handing water bottles out.
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I had moved to Phoenix about two months before that event.
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I moved to Phoenix two months before that event.
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I come out to Palm Beach and I had to walk like a mile from the air – from where we were at the airport or whatever to the hotel.
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And I'm just like, this is a million times worse than –
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And so – anyway, so we were supposed to do it in Palm Beach.
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We had this down payment because typically when you –
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So you literally went as far away from the heat as you could.
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I mean, but just to be clear, we wanted to go to Atlanta.
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So the original plan was – this all happened in August, September of last year.
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We said, Palm Beach, like that's just going to be underwhelming.
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Let's go to where it really matters, where we can draw a local audience, local media attention.
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So we said, okay, let's first Atlanta because Georgia, obviously a flip.
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In fact, they said you have to book things three to four years out.
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And so how about North Carolina because it's kind of a swing state.
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And so all of a sudden we were like, are we going to find a space?
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And so just by an act of God, we said, what about Detroit?
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So Lauren and the events team, the best events team in the country.
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And they went on a crazy – they spent like three full days calling every major convention center in what the states, the parameters.
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From Des Moines to Columbus, Ohio to Cleveland to Detroit to Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo.
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And the only space that had an opening of all of them in the parameters we said because we wanted to do it before the RNC, we wanted to do it in June, was Detroit.
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And we said, are we crazy enough to do an event in Detroit?
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I want to just – and this was before October 7th.
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So this was before – this was before the Israel thing, which has materialized in the unaffiliated Muslim vote here in Michigan, which might – it puts even more in play for Trump, right?
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The tragedy of October 7th, which has been a political nightmare for Democrats, before the uncommitted type movement.
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And so as the months have gone by, the more promising Michigan polls were like, yo, we're hosting like it in the middle of the battleground state in like the central nervous system of the Democrat Party.
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Three things have happened in this convention center.
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Wait, wasn't Detroit where they were covering up the windows and – we're in the building?
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We're in the building where – we're on Rumble, right?
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Look up Huntington Convention Center 2020 election.
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This is where they were like not allowing people in.
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Yeah, because in – I know in Philadelphia –
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Number two – and this is even more telling and more powerful.
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In the last couple of weeks, both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have visited this convention center.
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They've both made independent visits to Michigan.
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That tells us their internal polling shows that Michigan's collapsing for them.
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And now we have Trump doing his, like, first really big event after the law fair.
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Yeah, and he did the Arizona one, but this one will be even bigger.
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And so I told the team back in March, I said, if we get 3,000 people, I will be thrilled.
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Okay, so it wasn't called Huntington Place back then.
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I have to – we have to find these – we have to, like, recreate this photo.
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That's such a POSO thing to, like, go and find it.
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So this location is kind of the place to be at.
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They could have canceled this event, and they didn't, and they deserve a lot of credit for that.
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I mean, they still can, but it's happening tomorrow, so I don't think they will.
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But, yeah, no, we're in the belly of the beast.
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We might actually have triple that, right near 10,000.
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We're almost right there, which is an unbelievable show of force.
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Or if you live – Ohio is very close to the driving distance.
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I know – Charlie, I know people who are driving from Indiana.
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I know people who are driving from Nebraska to be here.
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People who are obviously all over Ohio driving to be here.
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Yeah, and so understand that the naming the People's Convention was done while Rana was still chairman.
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And so the other thought was, like, hey, we might have to put on our own RNC because the RNC in Milwaukee might be lackluster.
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Now it actually is ending up being, like, a super compliment where the RNC is in Milwaukee and we're in Detroit.
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I mean, if you were from a 30,000-foot view, who's doing the summer better from an event standpoint, the Democrats or Trump?
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Like, they don't have an equivalent at all anyway.
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Obviously, we're all targeting the Midwest and we're targeting the Rust Belt.
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But we're strategically targeting the Rust Belt, whereas they're in Chicago, which is not an area where they need it at all.
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There's also, to me, something very funny about it where, obviously, the party convention is your biggest show of the summer for each party.
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And it's also – we wanted to do the Turning Point way.
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And the name is aptly put because, I mean, you guys will both be in Milwaukee and we'll get you guys tickets.
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But it's very hard for the commoner to be able to get tickets to the convention.
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So the idea was how do we do an event for the everyday person, the citizen, that they otherwise would not be able to have access to.
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And that's why we call it the People's Convention.
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And we put together an amazing – and I will give presidency – this is the most President Trump story ever, which I had a scheduling request in and they were busy.
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Hey, hey, tell him I'm doing Charlie's thing at Detroit.
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It was within 20 seconds to his – his instincts were like, we're going to take Michigan.
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And, by the way, he said, without them cheating, I win Michigan by 10.
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And he literally – and his team was – called me back and they're like, wait, you're doing an event in downtown Detroit?
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He was in – he went – visited Congress today, you remember, and he met Glenn Youngkin.
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And apparently what he was talking about with Glenn Youngkin was, of course, he's like, you know, we're going to win Virginia and all that.
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But as we've said before, I love how he basically sees every – why wouldn't I win every state?
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Part of my time when I spend with him is he's talking about New Jersey, New York, Washington, Oregon.
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It's our job to make sure the resources go to the right spot.
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But him thinking he can win anywhere is why he's Donald Trump.
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There is a deep connection, though, between President Trump and the state of Michigan because as longtime Trump supporters and followers would know – and I know Charlie knows what's up.
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But I said, Charlie, where was the final rally held in the 2016 election?
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Wasn't that the one where he didn't even start until actually it was election day?
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That was the one where certain people on the media said he's going to win.
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That was the one where the people that were in the traveling crew – because I was at the New Hampshire one, too.
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And that's where Bill Belichick endorsed Donald Trump.
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Then Trump gets on Trump Force One and literally – I think it was Grand Rapids or Kalamazoo.
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The line was like wrapped around until like literally 1.30 in the morning.
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He went back and did Grand Rapids again in 2020.
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What I pitched to the Trump campaign, and I literally – it's on my – I have a list of things to go over with them.
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I say, guys, you need to allow time zones to work in your favor.
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And your other – you should move east to west on the night before the election.
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Do a rally in Michigan, then do a rally in Phoenix, and then close the night out in Vegas.
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Well, the difference is that Vegas and Phoenix didn't used to be quite as important as they are now.
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Well, in 2020 – but in 2020, they didn't think they could win Nevada.
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And I know this because I was in the White House when I told Jared about it.
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That all of a sudden, Georgia and Arizona could be flipped.
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I remember I was in the hall of the White House on election night, and I saw Jared as we were going to the bathroom.
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I was like, I don't think we're going to win Georgia.
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I was like, yeah, look, I'm not an expert, but the New York Times forecast is a 53% chance that Biden's going to win Georgia.
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And I'll never – like, the idea of us losing Georgia was so foreign to the campaign.
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And understand, we didn't have much of an operation there.
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And I remember Tyler, even a week up from the election, he's like, yeah, I know the polls look bad.
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And Arizona's like, I can't believe the idea that, like, Trump would lose Arizona.
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Now it's been tattooed into my soul to avenge this.
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I mean, it is like a heat-seeking – it's like it's our Rana times 1,000.
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I just wanted to shout out Lisee Lee in our comments.
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We mentioned people could drive here from, you know, Ohio, elsewhere in Michigan, from Nebraska.
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And she says they are driving up from Florida for this event.
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Tell them that we'll give them free VIP tickets.
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Anyway, I drive the events team nuts with my promises.
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I just – I want to – again, I feel like I'm bragging on the team.
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It really is one of the most remarkable political accomplishments of event production in conservative movement history.
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I heard a lot of the events team didn't even –
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Lauren and her layover to Detroit did a layover in Milwaukee and then did a site visit for the RNC because we have this huge presence.
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And then she came over from Milwaukee to Detroit.
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So – but, yeah, no, the team – literally, Mikey's wife, Elizabeth, has – he hasn't seen her for two weeks, literally.
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Now, did Lauren see how horrible Milwaukee was?
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It's actually not as bad as – because I know bad.
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But it's very clear to me – so we've seen this happen with President Trump how many times over the years where there'll be something he said –
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When he gets into – well, I'll put it this way.
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And he can shift and parry and thrust and go in different directions all the time.
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So somehow the topic of Milwaukee gets up – and we don't have a recording of this.
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We only have like secondhand reports, and that's what makes it worse – that Punchbowl put out that Trump says Milwaukee is a horrible city.
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The entire mainstream media runs with this everywhere.
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If you type Trump Milwaukee, you'll get Trump says Milwaukee is horrible.
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And then Trump goes and is being interviewed by – how do you say her name?
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Asa Hashney on Fox, their congressional correspondent, Capitol Hill correspondent.
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And she asked him, and she said, well, yeah, I was referring to the crime in the state of the city as it's been.
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And he's obviously said the same thing about New York City, his own city, many, many times.
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But, of course, it's one of those classic, oh, you know, Trump said whatever.
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They're talking about all of these conventions that are going on.
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They're putting the onus on you for turning point action.
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They're putting the onus on Trump for Milwaukee.
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Nobody's talking about the Democrats in Chicago because everyone knows.
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And the dirty little thing they're trying to worry about, Blake, is they don't want a repeat of Chicago in 1968.
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By the way, I looked it up, and Milwaukee has a higher murder rate than Chicago.
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As of whatever the latest stats are on Wikipedia or whatever.
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So I got 19.83 per 100,000, which is a bit above Chicago.
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I just I think Milwaukee is a really decent city.
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And so one of Andrew asks, which blue wall state is most likely to go for Trump?
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If I were a betting man, if I were to say, hey, Trump wins, what is the math?
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I think the map is Trump flips Georgia, flips Arizona, wins Pennsylvania.
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OK, Jack, Pennsylvania, the voter registration.
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That the Josh Shapiro, the village idiot who is acting as our governor and and Al Schmidt,
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the traitor, the absolute turncoat traitor who I and many others helped get elected
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in Philadelphia many moons ago as a Republican city commissioner, is now acting as the Pennsylvania
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secretary of state under Josh Shapiro, the village.
00:27:47.360
And so and so they instituted this new rule change where you can't opt out of motor voters.
00:27:54.000
A motor voter is when you go to get your license registered or renewed that you get registered
00:28:00.860
It's just like somebody was telling me back home that it's really deep in the system and
00:28:06.980
And but the problem is, though, in 67 of the 67 counties of Pennsylvania.
00:28:15.180
So 100 percent of counties, people are picking are it's breaking red.
00:28:19.680
And people are saying are now the problem, though, that this creates is that by din of what
00:28:25.620
we just explained, those are people who don't vote.
00:28:28.040
And so well, and that's that's where universal mail in voting could potentially help us.
00:28:33.040
So potentially the of the three, though, Trump has this.
00:28:37.740
So so I the way I'm looking at this election is based on Sunbelt polling of North Carolina.
00:28:42.340
Florida is its own animal, Georgia and Arizona.
00:28:45.020
There is a built in two and a half to three point polling advantage that Trump has just
00:28:51.980
It's just kind of this little lift, as we could call it.
00:28:59.580
So if we if we apply that logic to a lesser extent to Pennsylvania, in addition, Trump
00:29:04.340
has a love affair with the working class in Western Pennsylvania.
00:29:11.700
It's the former industrial steel town that he has that bravado they love.
00:29:16.280
And there's one city that will determine the future of Pennsylvania.
00:29:21.300
Braddock or Bradford, Erie, Pennsylvania, Erie, Pennsylvania.
00:29:33.060
Now, remember, the Joe Biden did the whole Scranton Joe thing.
00:29:42.100
Can you see who won Erie, Pennsylvania in 2020?
00:29:44.440
I think you're I think you're right that it flipped.
00:29:51.980
But Erie, Pennsylvania is that is the is the by the way, we're not far from Erie, Pennsylvania
00:30:05.040
Sandusky, Cleveland, well, Toledo, Sandusky, Cleveland, Erie, then Buffalo, Erie County went
00:30:14.140
So if Trump wins Erie County, that's not enough.
00:30:17.080
How much did Trump fall short of in the state of Pennsylvania?
00:30:26.280
So, I mean, that that that right there percentage wise is actually better than Michigan, if I'm
00:30:31.020
Michigan was the worst of the three blue wall states for Trump in 2020, if I'm not mistaken.
00:30:39.140
I can definitely see the path where it's the breaking point state, just because, as
00:30:43.300
we've said, not just that the, you know, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, there's more
00:30:49.300
of them and they're angry, but just they're angry.
00:30:52.540
And there's so many candidates that are specifically playing to them.
00:30:56.960
It's that like three different third party candidates have decided to make Michigan the
00:31:01.460
state where they're going to try to make a big splash.
00:31:08.100
So I just want to remind people that, again, I'm not saying Trump's going to win.
00:31:12.340
But in 2020, there were no other candidates on the ballot.
00:31:15.780
Trump does better when the options are expanded.
00:31:21.100
And even with the worst being binary, he only fell 41,000 votes short.
00:31:37.880
And I think it has to be said, I think of the three elections, this is going to be the
00:31:42.440
one with the lowest amount of Trump frenzy, for lack of a better term, that you had people,
00:31:48.340
especially in 2020, they went totally berserk off the charts committed to getting Trump
00:31:57.760
Any well beyond anything they did with the ballots, the stuff they did with our laws and institutions
00:32:02.420
to get Trump out, the frenzy, can they, they can't do it again.
00:32:10.980
Whereas in 2016, you had a lot of people say, I don't care if Trump wins.
00:32:14.820
I'm mad at Hillary over what they did to Bernie.
00:32:16.800
I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, or I'm not going to vote at all.
00:32:21.140
Now we're all the way back around to this again.
00:32:24.820
So guess how many votes Joe Jorgensen got, the Libertarian candidate got in, guess how
00:32:36.360
Either or, but I'm telling you, that's your delta right there, 80,000.
00:32:39.920
Yeah, I mean, according to Politico, I don't think they made the ballot, though.
00:32:45.920
I think it was, we kept the Greens, maybe they kept the Greens off the ballot.
00:32:50.060
Definitely in Pennsylvania, they kept them off.
00:32:59.420
Yeah, so the Greens were, so you're right on that one.
00:33:05.060
Yeah, this is an example of where their lawfare was better.
00:33:07.940
Democrats were better at keeping Greens off the ballot than they got.
00:33:14.700
Yeah, so a very funny thing is, historically, of course, Republican voters are more likely to
00:33:19.240
vote for Libertarians, and Democrats are more likely to vote for Greens.
00:33:22.720
So the opposing parties are the best legal support those parties have.
00:33:27.320
And so, traditionally, Republicans try to do stuff to keep the Libertarians off the ballot
00:33:35.220
And in 2020, there was a particularly bad divergence in terms of Democrats successfully keeping the
00:33:41.820
Greens off the ballot, which they did in Pennsylvania.
00:33:44.100
It was extremely shady what they did, extremely underhanded.
00:33:54.580
The Delta in Wisconsin between Trump and Biden was 20,000 ballots.
00:34:14.580
So this time, you have RFK, you have Cornell-West, you have Jill Stein, and you have the gay
00:34:19.040
race communist Libertarian, who is potentially a protest vote.
00:34:30.860
And yeah, the Delta, 10,000 Delta in Arizona, 51,000 for the Libertarian, Green, not on the
00:34:37.600
Starting to sense a little bit of a pattern here.
00:34:39.800
However, if you have Green now in Arizona, and you have Green now in Georgia, and you
00:34:44.720
have Green in Pennsylvania, you might be in a better spot.
00:34:56.960
If you were running the Trump campaign, Blake, would you go equal in all three?
00:35:01.540
Let's just say Arizona and Georgia are a given.
00:35:16.800
And I can just easily see the reality where we...
00:35:19.560
You'd fall short by 20,000 votes in the state that you decided was actually unwinnable.
00:35:28.380
And just as a general rule, one, I think the Trump campaign in general, they respond to
00:35:32.760
the energy of fighting in more states, being more go-getter about it.
00:35:38.000
And also, there's diminishing returns when you just spend a ton in one state.
00:35:42.300
I think you don't get as much out of it as you do from just...
00:35:49.020
Of course, what I would also like is if we can get our progress that we want to make on
00:35:53.860
the you-know-what issue, then we don't need to win any of these.
00:35:59.800
So, how bullish are we that Trump's going to win Nevada?
00:36:11.780
Producer Andrew's sitting here, so everyone knows.
00:36:17.980
Trump is stronger in Nevada than he is in Arizona.
00:36:37.040
I'm like, I refuse the good news, get to work, chase ballots.
00:36:51.980
I'm actually getting messages from, well, I shouldn't say, but someone who's working
00:37:15.120
And then it's going to come down to Arizona and one of the blue wall states, that kind
00:37:31.540
And for those hotel workers and people that get tips, you're going to be very happy.
00:37:35.920
Because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips.
00:37:53.440
Because those people that have jobs in restaurants, whatever the job may be, a tipping job, we're
00:38:06.180
First, before I answer, because someone pointed out, we should read the super chats because
00:38:14.060
Valseco 16 says, I live in southern Oregon, massive Trump country.
00:38:25.560
Register your friends, that, or register your friends until Oregon is polling at, you know,
00:38:30.520
Biden plus two instead of Biden plus ten or whatever it is.
00:38:38.420
You've got to focus on the states that are the most likely to go our way.
00:38:45.840
Blake, when you say not for now, are you referring to the separatist movement up there?
00:38:58.920
Franklin is the one they would have made in Tennessee.
00:39:01.380
So, I guess with the tipping thing, I will say it feels politically very savvy to me
00:39:09.840
We've already got the images of people where you leave a nice tip and then you say, like,
00:39:17.420
I will say, I saw one photo where someone wrote that and they also tipped really badly.
00:39:23.240
If you're going to do this, you have to over-tip.
00:39:26.940
We should have an ethical conversation on tipping.
00:39:30.060
I feel like we've gotten a creep from 15% to 20% over the last few years.
00:39:37.880
Definitely a minimum of 20 if you're going to make a political pitch to someone.
00:39:47.940
Um, so I've actually kind of changed this recently.
00:39:53.420
Um, I was usually, you know, 20 to 30, but lately because I've, depending on where I go.
00:40:01.860
Depending on where I go, especially if it's a place.
00:40:06.280
I've been doing, I've just been, I've been over tipping.
00:40:23.420
Kids, you got to go, you got to go, you got to go 30, 40 with kids.
00:40:26.960
These are places where we go that we go to frequently.
00:40:36.080
Well, yeah, not if it's bad service, obviously.
00:40:37.940
Well, no, but I'm talking about when they're like totally.
00:41:07.560
So if a waiter or a waitress is really attentive and you have a child who is making noise and
00:41:32.220
Like I said, I just sort of round it for the most part.
00:41:43.000
Actually, I was once for not only did I not tip.
00:41:47.020
I was watching a Packers game at a place in Arizona.
00:41:50.140
And I'm going to do it by name because I want to drag them a bit.
00:41:59.240
And they kicked me off the bar where I was seated, even though I had ordered food, because
00:42:09.360
And so, and like they were kind of jerks about it.
00:42:11.580
And so I literally just read, I was like, I am not tipping you over this.
00:42:16.220
One time I didn't pay at all because we had a server who was, I guess, having a bad day
00:42:22.100
And he thought we were laughing at him or something because we were laughing at an unrelated
00:42:29.060
And as we walked down, we just said, our service was really bad and we are not going
00:42:36.080
Well, so, I mean, obviously you're asking the question like in the United States, but,
00:42:40.440
but so when I lived in, when I lived in China or what any of the time I spent in Asia,
00:42:48.160
It's like a foreign concept and like when they, when Americans leave 20%, they think
00:43:01.200
They don't tip at all because they consider good service to be part of their, so it's
00:43:07.160
And so they would view tipping the way that we would do like a bribe almost like, oh,
00:43:15.060
I mean, if you want to get your luggage from a airport, $5 a year, $10 a year, no, it's
00:43:24.460
I was just in Morocco and it was just like that the entire time.
00:43:27.220
So before Media Matters clips this, Jack, in Morocco, is it pay for play?
00:43:35.420
But by the way, they wouldn't also, they also wouldn't consider that a bribe.
00:43:47.660
So, so what do you, how, so people that leave like a 5% tip, how do they live it themselves?
00:43:55.760
Like consistently, as like a matter of principle.
00:43:58.420
I'm surprised, I'm, I'm kind of surprised anyone would leave 5% consistently.
00:44:02.520
I think you'd be more likely, you'd be more likely to run into someone who says, I'd be
00:44:06.500
saying it's more likely that someone would just never tip and they would just go, I'm
00:44:11.800
Like I pay the price that is listed on the menu and tipping is bad.
00:44:18.500
I, I, I, here, here's, we have to understand that the, the, you guys know this, they pay
00:44:27.320
What happens is if you are a tipping company, that is the amount you are required to pay
00:44:33.560
them, but they are required to have their total compensation be at least U.S. minimum wage.
00:44:38.420
So if they are not getting that amount in tipped wages, then you have to make sure they get
00:44:46.960
So meaning, meaning it's like no one comes in the restaurant, they have to at least make
00:44:49.560
Or if you weren't getting tipped or whatever, you have to make at least the U.S. minimum
00:44:55.740
And so their employers are allowed to pay them less, but they have to make at least
00:45:00.000
So you, you're checking in an airport and you are checking luggage at the curb.
00:45:10.200
You are at an airport checking luggage and you are checking it at the curb.
00:45:16.300
I think this is like some rich people problem that I cannot empathize with.
00:45:24.620
Jack, dude, when you check your bags, do you give him a tip?
00:45:32.420
How on earth do you go to Europe without checking a bag?
00:45:41.660
Tanya is actually really, really good at packing.
00:45:44.740
Wait, you bring the kids on the plane instead of checking them in the luggage?
00:45:47.820
Angelo says $10 per bag if you don't want your bag lost.
00:45:57.740
Okay, we have to get into more controversial territory.
00:46:01.080
Have you noticed they've added the tip screens to everything now?
00:46:19.220
If you go too fast and all of a sudden it's like 20% built in.
00:46:22.940
The place I got lunch today had 18% gratuity automatically for all dine-in and they like hide
00:46:28.140
it on the bill like when you get the final thing and then ask for a tip on top of that
00:46:39.460
So I like the idea of a tip too because it's like someone's worked...
00:46:48.000
But the one that I hate is when they spin the tablet around now and it's like 20, 25,
00:46:56.300
They don't even look at you when they spin it around.
00:47:21.180
Did you know that in North Dakota parking meters are illegal?
00:47:28.320
Yeah, but how many states have been courageous enough to ban them?
00:47:32.560
I don't like getting my car valeted, so I try to avoid it as much as possible because
00:47:47.440
I've gotten away with not having to valet at Mar-a-Lago.
00:47:53.420
When you valet and you don't tip because you don't have any cash, they give you bad energy.
00:48:10.260
You might know how to actually do the hex, you know.
00:48:19.900
They're playing a Ouija boards while they're waiting for the cars.
00:48:22.020
They got all sorts of weird satanic activity for people that don't tip them.
00:48:30.640
Look, if somebody is driving your car and parking it and dealing with that, that job sucks.
00:48:38.000
You probably get someone who's freaking out at you at some point during the day.
00:48:44.440
There's a restaurant Eric and I like going to, and it's at a resort, so you have to valet.
00:48:49.740
...is when I don't have cash and they don't believe you.
00:48:57.600
This is why Trump always carries a little bit of cash, though.
00:49:06.760
It's funny that it just occurred to me, though, that Trump is famously a huge tipper.
00:49:11.220
No, by the way, he has wads of $100 bills that he'll bring out.
00:49:16.060
And you've heard stories of this where he's gone in somewhere and he's had an event, and
00:49:41.000
You tip dealers at poker tables if you get a good hand.
00:49:47.080
I haven't played a ton of it, but if you win big, you should do that.
00:50:17.580
Ryan, when do you think of the last time I got food delivery?
00:51:00.020
So wait, you call it the loo, but you don't call her the loo lady?
00:51:06.560
A maid who claims bedrooms and bathrooms, especially in a hotel.
00:51:23.240
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:51:25.360
What, what do you think she goes around and she calls herself?
00:52:02.860
When they knock, they usually say, chambermaid is here.
00:52:08.920
Do you take vacations, like, in the past, and this is why we don't actually know?
00:52:12.620
Because, like, you're time-traveling to the past.
00:52:20.040
The other Google is, what did a chambermaid do in the Middle Ages?
00:52:30.160
Charlie's like, I was just reading this, uh, the Codex of Jerome, and, uh...
00:52:45.720
I usually put up the, like, nocturnal activity sign, because I don't like the cleaners cleaning
00:53:01.100
It messes stuff up, and I'm usually not in a hotel for more time.
00:53:04.760
When you're in a hotel, do you lock up your stuff, or do you trust them to be in your hotel
00:53:24.780
Which, hilariously, it's actually probably more dangerous in America than it is overseas,
00:53:35.800
So, this is like one of those, you know, it was on Daily Mail one time or something, and
00:53:40.360
it was like secrets of flying, and they said that if one thing that you can do for flight
00:53:45.400
attendants is tip them right when you get on the plane, is the idea.
00:53:54.700
And some people say, also, gift cards is a big one.
00:53:56.960
Yeah, Ryan says, I do it sometimes, and it turns out great.
00:53:59.340
So, gift cards, like, 20 bucks at Starbucks, or maybe even 10, you know, a $10 Starbucks
00:54:05.740
gift card, or whatever it is, and then suddenly your entire service...
00:54:08.940
And by the way, even if she doesn't end up being your, you know, because you're, like,
00:54:13.820
in a different section or whatever, she might not be the attendant for your section, they're
00:54:17.360
going to know, and they're going to know, like, they know who's on the plane, right?
00:54:20.800
They're, like, you know, the big guy who's looking at, who's watching thought crime in,
00:54:24.900
you know, in row six was the guy who gave the gift card.
00:54:29.380
And so, it's, like, this cheat code that when you first get on, that's when you get it.
00:54:33.280
We should get it so, like, Delta has thought crime episodes on the little TV screen.
00:54:39.840
I'm trying to look at the Trump electorate here, okay?
00:54:47.240
Does he actually think that all these people are declaring their cash tips as income?
00:54:53.220
But a lot of people tip in non-cash ways, I suppose.
00:54:57.620
Do people ever tip, like, house cleaners or, like, lawn mowers, stuff like that?
00:55:22.420
Do you think that conservatives or liberals tip better?
00:55:29.880
Yeah, there have been a lot of studies that showed this.
00:55:34.940
Blake is, like, black pill by conservative culture.
00:55:38.360
I will say there is a stereotype of a common Democrat voting bloc that they don't tip great.
00:55:45.860
Yeah, I know the trans community really is cheap.
00:55:52.220
There's certainly, like, the irate libertarian type might be, like, I don't tip because it's not required of me.
00:56:03.820
Normally, like, you think of conservatives as caring more about, like, social norms, as it were, and it is a social custom and norm.
00:56:15.060
It probably is conservatives' tips slightly better.
00:56:18.400
Maybe that shifted because of the way the elections change.
00:56:20.540
Oh, Charlie, I saw a good line, by the way, on libertarian.
00:56:23.680
Like, there's this, like, very, very, you know, strict libertarian the other day that I thought you'd appreciate.
00:56:29.720
They're trying to replace God with contract law.
00:56:45.000
Joe Biden gave his babysitter a different kind of tip.
00:56:55.340
It's just debatable whether they were an item before his wife died.
00:57:07.700
Well, I think, I just think she babysat the boys before the car accident and all that.
00:57:12.020
I always thought that was, like, one of those internet things.
00:57:14.600
Now I'm going to look it up, because otherwise I'll get in trouble.
00:57:33.040
I give money to local charities that help people in need, and I give generously to them.
00:57:36.940
I do not give money to people that I see routinely that ask for money with signs.
00:57:41.240
If I feel moved to do it, I sometimes will, um...
00:57:49.140
I do, but I do think it is very clear, like, I don't know, like, in the Gospels there's a lot of beggars who make appearances, and it doesn't necessarily dwell super hard on whether they're, like, virtuous or deserving or not.
00:57:59.980
So I feel it's one of those things, if you feel moved to do it, you should... it's probably not the end of the world, to help them out a bit.
00:58:06.720
Even if it's probably a waste, even if it's almost certainly a waste, uh, I don't think it's a bad impulse to do sometimes, so...
00:58:13.820
I kind of want to take a detour and talk about the Logan Paul deal.
00:58:17.780
Uh, have we had a chance to walk it... watch it yet, guys, or... is the episode up?
00:58:22.580
Have you guys watched it or seen any clips of it?
00:58:24.220
I have not, but I saw a tweet from Raheem that said it's must-watch, the interview.
00:58:29.480
So let's... I mean, we don't have... what other topics do we have?
00:58:34.060
So, well, I don't know what... I haven't really been blown up about it yet.
00:58:39.280
Oh, well, we can talk about the SPLC imploding.
00:58:50.360
So the SPLC, of course, has a war chest of something like $762 million, I think.
00:58:56.300
Well, it depends on if you're counting the money that's in this country versus the money that's held in the Cayman Islands.
00:59:04.620
I think I was wrong in the babysitter thing, so I guess it'll be too late.
00:59:12.480
Yeah, I mean, I want to believe, and that's almost like it being true.
00:59:15.480
But anyway, so the SPLC just executed 25% of its staff.
00:59:37.060
I mean, it's debatable whether they were actually alive.
00:59:40.060
So, the SPLC, they laid off 25% of their staff.
00:59:43.080
They're trying to focus more on racial justice or whatever it is.
00:59:46.980
And the union of SPLC Employee Union, because of course they have one, did an extremely irate
00:59:58.200
SPL Center, an organization with nearly a billion dollars in reserves, given an F rating by
01:00:04.360
Charity Watch for hoarding donations, gutted its staff by a quarter.
01:00:13.700
This will have a catastrophic impact on the organization's work in support of immigrants
01:00:21.580
So, Charlie, going into the 2024 election, where we know, obviously, immigration is probably
01:00:27.740
going to be the number one issue on the Republican side that's pushed, the SPLC is actually slashing
01:00:33.460
all of their immigrant or immigration-focused workers, because apparently it's gotten so bad
01:00:41.300
that even the SPLC can't hire these people anymore.
01:00:44.900
And so, what is the reason they're giving for this?
01:00:47.440
They have a huge endowment, a $400 million endowment.
01:00:52.120
I mean, they say the standard, you know, they're refocusing their work, all the butt-covering
01:00:57.860
What I think is funny to imagine is to just think of what the SPLC is.
01:01:01.860
So, the SPLC, just in case anyone doesn't remember, by the way, SPLC, Southern Poverty
01:01:06.260
Law Center, they exist to basically go around and they warn against hate as a threat.
01:01:12.300
And so, they label every conservative group under the sun as either a hate group or adjacent
01:01:18.620
And then they collaborate with the FBI and government.
01:01:20.920
So, this is how they launder the whole thing, where they'll be able to say, like, Turning
01:01:24.680
Point USA, which has platformed this person, labeled a hate speaker by the Southern Poverty
01:01:33.300
What they actually are is, they're an organization, I think they were started in the 70s, and they
01:01:37.540
were started by Morris Dees, who was basically a junk mail god.
01:01:42.520
He was extremely good at writing junk mail that would make, like, liberal housewives freak
01:01:48.520
So, in the 70s, it was all like, the KKK is going to come back and kill everyone.
01:01:53.080
And then, in the 90s, he got, you know, he's, especially in the Trump era, they made tons
01:01:57.980
And it's basically, send junk mail to people and say, Donald Trump is Hitler and he's
01:02:02.180
going to do the American Holocaust unless you give us money to stop him.
01:02:05.560
And they made tons of money doing this, hundreds of millions of dollars.
01:02:09.780
And even in the 90s, you had liberals writing magazine pieces about this, where they would
01:02:14.640
just say, this company, or this charity is a scam, they're just piling up tons of money
01:02:20.140
by scaring people, the amount of work they do compared to it is minimal.
01:02:24.140
Morris Dees himself is this hilarious figure, I think he's been married seven times, very
01:02:30.340
And in 2019, they kind of ginned up a Me Too scandal against him in his late 70s or early
01:02:37.360
And they sent him to a farm in upstate New York, and he hasn't been seen since.
01:02:47.060
And they promised at the time, they said, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
01:02:50.820
We're going to bring in someone from the Obama administration.
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It was like Michelle Obama's or her former confidant, something like that, to do this
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And nobody has heard anything about it ever since.
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And what I think is going on now is they're now just fighting over the giant pile of money
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Because they took out the guy who actually built the SPLC into this giant money-raising machine.
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Both of those orgs kind of, we don't like them, but they do things.
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The SPLC just runs a website calling Charlie Kirk a racist.
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And I think they hired a bunch of dumbs who don't know how to make the money.
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And they're just sort of staggering around and trying to find ways to spend it and give
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themselves bonuses and get rid of the people who they don't want to be getting part of
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And it would be really amazing if they were headquartered in a red state that could investigate
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But I guess, I assume Montgomery, Alabama must just be in some deep blue state.
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Who is Logan Paul for our audience that doesn't understand, Jack?
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Yeah, I mean, the easiest way to put it is a YouTuber who got started doing kind of prank
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They did YouTube prank videos, got super big by doing it, and it branched out into other
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And Logan would definitely have been anti-Trump in 2020.
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There's this really cringe video of him doing the Kendi anti-racist incantation.
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I have realized that I am part of the problem if I do not actively take steps against racism.
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And it's easy to crap on Logan Paul, but he has built an insanely valuable energy drink
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That thing is going to be sold for billions of dollars.
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It's really, I don't know if it's going to be good anymore, but they say it's going to
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So, Logan Paul has 27 million YouTube subscribers, very popular with ages 18 to 25 in particular.
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He does this impulsive podcast, and he just welcomed Donald Trump on it.
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And, like, 15 seconds later, he shows me my speech.
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So beautifully, I said, I'm going to use this sucker.
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I'm going to, I'm going to use, I've never seen anything like it.
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What did you say to your speech writer after that?
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Let's play, by the way, we're all seeing this for the first time.
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In our country, and these are not people that are going to make America great again.
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These are people that have a lot of issues, and we're going to have a lot of issues as
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long as they're here, and we're going to get them out.
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And that is, he's talking about the foreigners and the illegals that are here in the country.
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You know, people, they've got a lot of problems.
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They're coming here, and some, I assume, are good people.
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This is Donald Trump saying that Brittany Griner should have been kept in a Russian prison.
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Who knows what that means, but he was a great arms dealer.
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For the basketball player that wouldn't stand up during the national anthem, she thought
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And that was not exactly the greatest trade, but he gave $6 billion on top of everything.
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The question is, did Logan Paul talk at all in the interview, or did Trump just alpha him
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Wait, so Trump didn't actually say she should be kept?
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By the way, first of all, the Biden team is saying that Trump says immigrants do not make
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He's talking about foreigners that are illegally here.
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By the way, their Biden-Harris HQ is the most desperate, paranoid Twitter response team
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And it's like, you can debunk the things they're saying without even watching the clip.
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It's just you know what obviously happened, because they do the same lies over and over.
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So even then, with Brittany Greiner, he didn't say she should have been kept.
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This is Donald Trump asking Logan Paul, who makes more money, him or Jake?
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Yeah, well, eventually, because I went to college.
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Look, something's propelling him to fight world champions to a draw, right?
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We actually made this American Prime special for this episode.
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Guys, if you're using $1.2 billion in revenue, that's insane.
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I just realized there was a South Park special that was making fun of these guys, and that's
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There was an entire thing where the subplot was an influencer who had their own energy
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drink line that people were killing themselves for and stuff, but I didn't know who they were.
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Logan Paul tells Donald Trump that he actually approached Netflix to step in for Mike Tyson.
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But I was willing to step in for Mike Tyson when Tyson got sick and had to postpone his fight,
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and we actually ran it up the chain at Netflix.
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Well, me and Jake decided that I knew I'd come from a place of love, and whatever the
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outcome would be, we'd have to be okay with it.
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It's just one time, though, for the rest of his time.
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Let's play Cut 133 of Logan Paul on the Donald Trump podcast.
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We'd like to extend the invite to Joe Biden if he'd like to come on this podcast.
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You know what chance you have of getting him on?
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But Trump keeps on doing these situations where he's contrasting himself with Joe Biden.
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It straight up feels like Trump is younger than he was a year ago, two years ago.
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It's like the campaign really has revitalized him to a strong degree.
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So in closing here, guys, I want to tell you about – I'm going to watch the whole interview tonight.
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Charlie, the chambermaid clip is already going viral.
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Charlie, are we going to launch an energy drink line?
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You know, I was actually thinking of what is my prime, and I don't know what it is.
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Here's the thing about energy drinks, though, is that people will consume three or four of those in a day.
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So energy drinks is like people will just go right through.