On this week's episode of Thought Crime, Jack, Andrew, and the gang discuss the best way forward to deal with the 15-week shootout that this snap election has become between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. And also, a sidebar: What's the right way to say Kamala?
00:09:31.940Michael Anton calls the celebration parallax, where when we say something is going on and it's bad, it's either racist or a conspiracy theory or both.
00:09:44.940When they say something is happening and it's good, it's, of course, true and it's wonderful.
00:09:50.620So when you're celebrating DEI, of course, you're able to say DEI.
00:09:54.580But when you're attacking DEI, you're a racist, which is also amazing because he says, when you hear DEI, I want you to think about the N word.
00:10:02.500And it's like, but you guys came up with DEI.
00:10:05.620This is your, we, the right doesn't come up with weird acronyms like this.
00:10:09.760And, you know, throw stuff out there like that.
00:10:12.340We come up with lots of words and phrases.
00:10:13.840We do red pill, blue pill, black pill, white pill.
00:10:33.700I guess we should just ban it across the country.
00:10:35.840We should probably ban anyone who's using that from using bank accounts or PayPal or Square or any of the, you know, Venmo or Cash App or anything.
00:15:47.740So where is the open process he was talking about now that she's already cinched the delegates?
00:15:51.160The state of the race, though, of course, is that all of the entire mainstream media Hollywood reality machine is lining up behind Kamala Harris.
00:16:04.960And by the way, the data that's coming in now is still not even quite reflective of that because there was the Kamala Harris who didn't have the full support of the media reality machine.
00:16:16.340But now they do. Now she does. And so once that starts kicking in, we've already seen it.
00:16:21.480Right. She and Van Jones, of all people, announces this even before me.
00:16:25.180He says, well, look at this. She's the number one trending topic on TikTok.
00:16:30.320She's gone from cringe to brat. She's gone from cringe to awesome.
00:16:35.000And it's like, well, wait a minute. Now, Republicans and conservatives and your independent moderate types might be looking at that saying, well, I don't understand.
00:16:42.540You said she was cringe before. Now she's awesome.
00:16:46.740Tens of millions of voters believe whatever television and their push notifications tell them.
00:16:52.300They just do. It's a fact of life. It's a fact of the situation.
00:16:56.520We've been fighting it. We've been doing very well with it.
00:16:58.940But it still is part of what we have to deal with with that entire machine getting behind her.
00:17:04.320And now it's going to be pumping her and pushing her across the finish line for the next 15 months.
00:17:10.060We have to understand that only through social media, thank God, by the way, that Elon has freed the bird and given us X to allow us at least a fighting chance to come back.
00:17:19.660Where we can point out these phrases, these times when she makes these gaffes, when she says these ridiculous things on the stump.
00:17:25.520But again, the people on her side are going to watch.
00:17:28.940And President Trump has already agreed to a couple of debates with her where they're going to watch the debate.
00:17:34.320But then they'll see the media coverage and the media coverage will say she did fantastic.
00:17:38.100She did amazing. No matter how she does.
00:17:40.720That's what the media is going to say. And these folks will believe that.
00:17:43.720And so it's incumbent on us to to absolutely try to frame this as immediate as possible.
00:17:50.940And I'm not seeing, though I've been starting to put a couple of shows, Charlie, you and me, of course, is is frame this not just as, OK, she's a lib, but also the fact that this is someone who is heartless.
00:18:03.820This is someone who's ruthless. This is someone who's uncaring.
00:18:06.500She's not caring about the lives of the people in San Francisco, which she completely destroyed and then moved on.
00:18:11.620The people of California, which completely walked all over and then moved on.
00:18:15.500Andrew, obviously, can talk about that. And then her tenure in office, not caring after Afghanistan fell, not caring after after what everything that happened in Ukraine and her direct role in that, by the way, nearly provoking World War Three at the Munich conference just days before Putin invaded.
00:18:30.340And then, of course, not caring about people like Lake and Riley, who was raped and murdered by illegal immigrants that came across during her watch.
00:18:38.680This is what people need to explain all the laughing, the cackling, the me, me, me.
00:18:42.920It's narcissism. It's repackaged narcissism. Kamala Harris only cares about power, ambition, herself, vainglory, pride.
00:18:52.440That's who she is. She has no connection, no empathy. And the media is going to try to tell you, yes, she does.
00:18:58.120Yes, she does. Yes, she does. That's going to have to be the split.
00:19:01.560And you know what, Charlie? They did the same thing with Hillary. This is kind of like the Hillary 2.0 campaign.
00:19:08.040So it's almost like in these last 15 weeks, we're getting a replay of Trump v. Hillary, only it's Trump v. California Hillary with California commie coming up.
00:19:20.140And what Andrew's saying is right, and I think, by the way, that Republicans and Trump need to do two things.
00:19:25.720Number one is remind, in terms of demographics, remind these people hate men.
00:19:30.920Democrats hate men. It is explicit. It is explicit in their platform. It is their program.
00:19:37.480Kamala Harris is first and foremost among this. They specifically also hate white people.
00:19:42.680This is huge as a part of that. But I think really first and foremost that they hate men.
00:19:46.700Number two is, look, you've got to have the power of narrative versus the power of narrative.
00:19:51.660They're producing their narrative. Donald Trump's single strongest narrative right now.
00:19:56.100Yes, he has a great record. Yes, he has great experience. Yes, he has a great business.
00:20:00.180But his single strongest record is not that. He survived an assassin's bullet.
00:20:05.120And I think that, and Charlie, you and I were talking offline about this earlier,
00:20:08.380that there was perhaps a missed opportunity at the RNC because the Trump family,
00:20:15.300that Trump's son and his granddaughter spoke about this at length,
00:20:19.900but the rest of the family didn't make this a huge, Laura and Eric, the emotional side of it
00:20:27.680is what I'm getting at. The emotional side wasn't really played up. We haven't seen any interviews
00:20:31.980with Melania Trump talking about this or potentially even Barron, who appeared at a rally,
00:20:36.960but then also was conspicuously not at the RNC. I think there's a lot of stories still left to be
00:20:42.040told. And honestly, I'd love to see a story of someone interviewing Donald Trump on camera,
00:20:46.700talking about those events and, you know, perhaps show, right, show that there was a real possibility
00:20:54.420of, remember, just half an inch away from the end of everything and potentially massive unrest in
00:21:01.740the United States. And show that human side, show that human side. Let me ask you a political
00:21:08.420question here, Jack. Play devil's advocate. Is that what if, comma, la, is able to use this
00:21:16.600multi-billion dollar machine that has never existed until Donald Trump came along because it was part
00:21:21.900of the resistance? She's able to excite younger women, able to excite urban minorities in those
00:21:28.280corridors, is able to do a lot of ballot harvesting and ballot chasing, and they're able to overperform
00:21:33.740the polls. What if, I'm playing devil's advocate here, what if Kamala is able to rebuild the Obama
00:21:40.240coalition, pick a moderate vice president like Shapiro or Kelly, and make this a very tight race
00:21:46.940where they defeat us in trench warfare? What do you think of that as a potential vector
00:21:52.980of what could materialize this fall if we're not on our guard?
00:21:57.940Charlie, that's exactly what they're doing. That is 100% what they're doing. And so all of this,
00:22:02.940oh, we're not enthusiastic for Joe Biden and there's no interest, et cetera. No, no. They are
00:22:09.720absolutely putting everything behind her, that 81 million, which I'm sure totally came from just
00:22:14.420small dollar donors. No, no, that was a message, okay? That was a message that, guess what? The
00:22:18.660regime is still here. The regime is still going to fight. And the ballot operations are going to be
00:22:23.840turned on. Clyburn and his operations and his networks are going to be turned on through the
00:22:28.020churches in the inner city churches. So you're going to see a ton of this. This is
00:22:32.780But I will say, I will also say, they would not be going through to such an extent of switching
00:22:40.100out a candidate, putting up someone new, if they could just press a button and win an election.
00:22:45.000They would not be spending all this money. They wouldn't have to. And so to folks out there who
00:22:48.520think they're, you know, totally blackpilled and they say, oh, all is lost. No, there's no
00:22:52.780blackpilling, no despair. That's not going to happen on our watch. They would not be making desperate
00:22:58.220moves like this if all was lost. Something has changed between 2020 and now, right? And we know
00:23:05.120some of that, maybe we don't know all of it, but something has changed where their election winning
00:23:09.920machine isn't working the way it used to. They're terrified of going up against in a one-on-one fight
00:23:15.480against Trump. And I think that we're in an absolute real political night fight now for the
00:23:20.500next 15 weeks going up to, I think, 103 days to November 5. This is a real fight. People need
00:23:26.380to understand that. But it's going to be a lot, a lot tighter than it would be having Joe Biden up
00:23:31.120there. Yeah. So, Andrew, I want to throw to you, these things go back and forth. And so the Democrats
00:23:35.500are going to have some momentum. Then we're going to regain some recentering and then there'll be air
00:23:40.500cover, ad cover. Donald Trump is the best finisher in American politics. Andrew, if we lose,
00:23:47.600why would that be? What is the scenario where Kamala is successful?
00:23:56.200I think the best scenario is that, you know, she plays tough in Georgia. She activates the black vote
00:24:04.020and she picks somebody like Shapiro in Pennsylvania and they pick off those two states. I think that's
00:24:11.540their best, their best bet. They're going to have the ground game advantage. They're going to have the
00:24:15.340dark money network advantage. We know this dark money is going to be trench warfare. As you pointed
00:24:21.800out, try, let's get out the vote ballot chase. That's why what we're doing at turning point action
00:24:25.820is so important to offset that. And we've got a heck of a ground game in PA. We've got a heck of a
00:24:31.380ground game in the Rust Belt in Michigan and Wisconsin, obviously in Arizona. I like the, the,
00:24:37.340the fundamentals in Georgia a lot right now. So I'm less worried about Georgia, but that would be
00:24:41.700her play, the Georgia, Pennsylvania play. Um, I, I think, you know, it, the money advantage and
00:24:48.120abortion, she's going to play up women's issues. She's going to play up, um, she's going to play
00:24:52.720up the abortion, uh, issue. I, I still fundamentally don't think that that's going to be enough because
00:24:58.780she's going to alienate even more voters than she brings in. But you know, the, the media is going to
00:25:03.640be all behind her. We've seen it. They have pivoted full, full swing. So, but here, can I point out
00:25:08.560one thing on this media pivot, you know, as we talk about the way people are consuming their media
00:25:13.560and Jack, you know, this very well, uh, also, you know, you've got an older demographic that's
00:25:18.660watching media. Um, I think that despite the media's propaganda, where they're going to be most
00:25:24.380successful on the airwaves cable that that boomer audience, uh, an older ex audience is not, they're
00:25:30.520not going to take kindly to a radical from California. It's just, it's going to alienate that
00:25:35.220Trump was a little bit softer with, with the boomers than in previous cycles. So we were
00:25:39.460watching that. I think Kamala is going to, Kamala is going to bring them. I see, look at
00:25:43.620I'm catching myself in the net. I think she's going to bring those people back to the fold.
00:25:47.880I think she's going to alienate them. They're going to switch over. We're going to see Trump
00:25:51.420support with boomers increase. Um, and I think when you, when you talk about that, she's, you
00:25:56.980know, doing really well on, on X, I don't think that that you're going to see, or, or on a
00:26:01.220TikTok, I don't see, I don't think you're going to see those numbers go back to the 2020 numbers
00:26:05.720that black Biden enjoyed. So I just think structurally the way the media landscape is
00:26:10.260now, uh, sorted, we've got a much better fighting chance with the younger voters who
00:26:15.240might be attracted to her message on, uh, TikTok and X, uh, Charlie's doing between five
00:26:20.340and 10 million views on, on TikTok a day. Uh, you got Don, you got Joe Rogan, you've got
00:26:25.420president Trump. I think we've got a fighting chance on those mediums. And then the, the,
00:26:29.500the airwaves for cable older, I just think Kamala is not going to appeal to that audience.
00:26:34.260Let's just also remember, not every younger voter is made the same. If the Kamala Harris
00:26:38.380is very popular on TikTok with New Yorkers, that doesn't, that means nothing. Okay. If she's super
00:26:44.300popular in Los Angeles or in Denver, okay. The swing state, younger voters are showing to be more
00:26:52.100moderate or center right in their disposition. She is America's most liberal Senator. And by the way,
00:26:58.120Jack, I'm going to let you riff on the memory holing of what the media has been doing with
00:27:02.440Axios, who should be ashamed of themselves, a complete humiliation for Axios in the last 24
00:27:08.100hours. In addition to the scorecard that did this interview, play cut one 38.
00:27:14.760You're very different in the policies that you've supported in the past. You're considered the most
00:27:19.840liberal United States Senator. I, somebody said that in it actually was Mike Pence on the debate
00:27:26.740stage, but yeah. Well, actually the nonpartisan GovTrack has rated you as the most liberal Senator.
00:27:35.020You supported the green new deal. You supported Medicare for all.
00:27:40.300And now the nonpartisan GovTrack has put new footnotes because they're getting hit up by the
00:27:46.120radical left so much. She was the most liberal U S Senator. Jack, that statement right there
00:27:53.560means we should have a boomer landslide. So the way I look at it, we're going to lose a little bit
00:27:58.400more with blacks and with young women, but we can run up the score with men, working class whites,
00:28:05.640with Hispanics, crypto bros, and boomers. Boomer energy is ascendant. Jack.
00:28:12.920Yeah. And Charlie, I think one piece that just to mention again, this, this was late breaking news.
00:28:19.580So, uh, you know, obviously all of this is subject to change, but there was a story where she would
00:28:24.680not be speaking at the Bitcoin conference that's coming up, I believe it's in Miami. And I mean,
00:28:29.780that's just a huge, a huge loss also shows you where her money's coming from. Look, you've got a
00:28:35.400significant pool of resources there in the crypto community, not just financial, but also intellectual.
00:28:42.400These guys are smart. They're forward thinking. They're trying to figure out new ways to make
00:28:46.960things work. Uh, the Winklevoss twins, obviously we know are very long into crypto. So many other
00:28:52.520people, Elon of course has been big on that David Sachs. And so this has been a huge, huge, I think
00:28:58.760windfall for president Trump to move into this territory and for the Biden campaign. Now the
00:29:03.680Harris campaign to just totally shunt it as well as for, from their administration, moving to
00:29:08.880regulate Bitcoin, regulate crypto and come in, they have absolutely taken the side of what we've
00:29:14.800always accused them of saying is that you guys are the regime. You guys are the death star. You
00:29:19.440guys are the ones on that side. We are the ones who stand for freedom. We are the ones who stand
00:29:23.440for the individual spirit. We are the ones who actually stand for future forward principles,
00:29:28.560future forward ideas and solutions, not these top down government controlled solutions. And so
00:29:34.800when, when you're looking at the politics of all that, that's a huge piece, uh, as far as her being
00:29:39.680the most liberal Senator and, and now what GovTrack has done though, this is, this is significant.
00:29:44.560What they've done is that they've come in and started to change their ratings. If you go back
00:29:50.240in Axios, Axios actually says just like a 1984, what do you mean? Kamala Harris was never the border
00:29:57.120czar and the exact same reporter, Winston Smith, just from 1984 himself. That's not the reporter's
00:30:05.840name. I'm making an analogy here. This was the same person who wrote the story saying Biden appoints
00:30:13.040Kamala as border czar just three years ago. So now she's not the most liberal Senator. Now she's
00:30:20.480not the border czar. Again, this is the power of media performative effect, immediate condition
00:30:25.760response. And the media condition response is if you're one of these people who, and there are
00:30:30.720tens of millions of them in the United States, uh, Russia used to refer to low information voters.
00:30:36.960They are affected by chronic propaganda all the time. And they're simply, they are simply used to
00:30:43.920being in perceived mode. When they see the news, they say, Oh my gosh, you can't believe that happened
00:30:47.280on the news. Oh my gosh, I can't believe that happened. There's the image. Uh, there's no skeptical,
00:30:52.720right. There's no skepticism. There's no, there's no, wait a minute that doesn't comport with whatever
00:30:57.280I, um, and then the government amnesia effect is of course, always that say there is every once in a
00:31:02.640while. So the government amnesia effect, it comes up a lot. So say there every once in a while, you
00:31:07.520see a story on the news that, that perhaps, perhaps you have a direct connection to, uh, you work in that
00:31:14.080field. You are in that, you're in that industry. You know that there's something that the media gets
00:31:19.440wrong. You say, wait a minute, you know, let's say, um, you know, let's say you work in the stock
00:31:24.160market and you're reading a story in the wall street journal and it's a company that you personally
00:31:29.280know, or a startup that you personally know some of the people that are involved with. And here's
00:31:33.680this report and it's completely wrong. It's got facts wrong. It's got dates wrong. And you're reading
00:31:38.480it going, man, these guys totally got this wrong. But the young man amnesia effect is that you turn to the
00:31:43.920next article and you accept, you completely accept everything they say verbatim as gospel. So this is
00:31:51.600a huge issue. This is what the media's power has been. This is, by the way, this is a huge reason
00:31:57.360that they pulled Biden in the first place. Okay. Because the media credibility was on the line
00:32:04.480because the media had been saying for years and years and years that Biden's health and Biden's mental
00:32:08.400status and Biden's condition was a right wing conspiracy that we were the ones who were making it all up.
00:32:13.200But then the debate happened. Everyone tuned in and watched it live in real time, 50 million people.
00:32:18.800And suddenly everyone saw that the emperor had no clothes. So the issue wasn't that Biden had
00:32:24.400dementia. They don't care that Biden had dementia. They liked that he had dementia that meant he could
00:32:27.680be their puppet. But the issue was the media's credibility was called into question. That's why
00:32:33.600who was the lead person who was most harsh on him after the debate was Jake Tapper. Why? Because Jake
00:32:40.400Tapper was at the debate and not saying it in real time. Why would Jake Tapper go so hard on Joe Biden
00:32:45.600and make that pivot so quickly right after the debate? Well, it's very clear because his credibility,
00:32:52.560low that it is, was still on the line. That's why they pushed him out to say, we agree with you.
00:33:00.080There's a problem here. Now we're pivoting. They lied to us. And there were all these stories coming out of
00:33:05.040Axios and other places saying that the White House lied to us. It's on them. It's their fault.
00:33:09.920The Kimberly Cheadle's, the Jill Biden's, the inner circle. It was all them. They all lied.
00:33:14.480And now we get to go. Now we had that bump in the road and now we could go back to your regularly
00:33:19.600scheduled programming. And all you normies out there, don't worry about that politics stuff.
00:33:23.440We got this great young Kamala Harris. She's so much younger than, than Donald Trump. By the way,
00:33:27.920I also predict that they will start painting Trump as the older out of touch kind of guy. You can
00:33:33.600already see that starting to happen, which as you say, Charlie, you also will help run up the
00:33:37.680boomer vote because they'll see the contrast. Um, and, and I just need to explain it. I need
00:33:43.840conservatives or anyone listening to understand this. The tens of millions of normies just believe
00:33:48.560it. They, it's not cynical. It's not political. It's not partisan. They just are in this trance-like
00:33:55.360state where whatever the media says across the screen, that's what they believe. And then they'll go back
00:34:00.720to it. The single person who's been able to break through that is Donald Trump.
00:34:03.760Yeah. But yeah, the breakdown in the demographics here, I'm telling you the cable news audience
00:34:11.520is older. The people that are consuming so much of this propaganda are older. And I don't think
00:34:18.400that Kamala is going to do well with older voters. I just don't. I think we're going to have the,
00:34:22.080the, the boomer redemption arc here. And so, you know, the truth is getting out. I mean,
00:34:26.960this Axios piece got community noted hard, right? Where they, where they say the Trump campaign
00:34:33.360and Republicans have tagged Harris repeatedly with the borders are a title, which she never actually
00:34:37.680had immunity note on April 14th, 2021, Axios is Shauna Chen confirmed Kamala Harris had been
00:34:44.240appointed Biden's borders are in writing. So, and that's, that's got 8 million views. I mean,
00:34:50.080we know she was appointed the borders are there's receipts everywhere on that. We also know that,
00:34:56.000and we could throw up this image guys that, uh, that, uh, she was the most liberal one 41.
00:35:02.480So we know this gov track, most liberal, the internet lives forever compared to all other
00:35:08.400senators, but this is a nonpartisan gov track. We have the clips, we have the, her reaction to it.
00:35:14.320We have it writing. It's all over again, millions and millions of impressions. So they can try and
00:35:19.120memory hole things, but they don't have the advantage that they did in 2020, because as you said,
00:35:24.080Musk freed the bird tick tock has been opened way up, way up. We can, we can express, uh, we can
00:35:30.480testify to that. Right. Charlie, I mean, we used to get, uh, strikes for sneezing wrong on explosive
00:35:37.680reach now. Yeah. A huge, huge reach. Our Instagram is huge. Um, Charlie's Instagram, I would venture to
00:35:45.760guess is the most popular conservative Instagram in the movement. Jack, you're, you're squatting these,
00:35:50.560these lies down like flies on X. We're doing our best, but I mean, it's just the landscape
00:35:55.760is such that the people that she would normally appeal to are getting bombarded with both sides
00:36:00.640of the message. Meanwhile, cable news, Pravda older, not going to go for that's my, I mean,
00:36:05.720that's where I'm, I'm settling on this. So yeah, I mean, look, there's so much back and forth.
00:36:10.380It's going to happen here. Let's hear what to remember. So I'm just looking at all that in
00:36:13.280the national average of polls, which is Trump is enjoying like a point and a half in a national
00:36:17.600poll advantage over Kamala, maybe two points. Joe Biden had a four point final advantage,
00:36:26.740four point final advantage at the end. If you count all the nonsense, all the ballot stuff,
00:36:32.120and yet it was determined by 40,000 votes. So four points nationally, 40,000 votes,
00:36:39.060four points nationally, 40,000 votes. Now this is without the Trump campaign running a single ad.
00:36:46.520This is with the outside groups being spent 30 to one, Jack. We are being outspent on television
00:36:52.48030 to one. That's going to close. There are hundreds of millions of dollars that are about
00:36:56.040to be deployed. I know that it's all in public filings, by the way, the money is getting ready
00:37:00.300and you might say, Oh, I wish they would have spent it earlier. Really? Maybe it was brilliant
00:37:04.540for them to wait. Maybe it was brilliant for us to not actually spend anything over the summer.
00:37:09.660And I will say this, Jack, can we like go a little bit back in memory lane here?
00:37:13.240And Tyler's going to come here in a second. Donald, something happens in the month of October.
00:37:19.140Something happens to Donald J. Trump. He gets that tunnel vision. He gets Tom, he gets Tom Brady in
00:37:24.360the fourth quarter. He gets Patrick Mahomes in overtime and the dude finishes. The only reason
00:37:30.1002020 was as close as it was, was not because of a brilliant run campaign is that Donald Trump was a
00:37:36.100madman. I was texting with the New York times reporter that, you know, Andrew knows this text.
00:37:40.140I sent him a copy of it and I was, and he said, how do you think the race is? I said, well, honestly,
00:37:43.980it's gonna go back and forth, but Trump is the best finisher. He said, dude, honestly, I've never
00:37:47.680seen anything like it in politics. The last two weeks, he just goes nuts. He goes ballistic, Jack.
00:37:52.500And we have to understand that we're going to embrace early voting, but October comes and Donald
00:37:57.260Trump hates to lose. And if we are even in the margin of error going into October, I feel good about our
00:38:03.640movement coalescing, about our movement coming home, about driving turnout in that voting month.