Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 55 — Kamala's First Interview

00:00:00.800 Tonight from Battleground, Georgia, a watershed moment in the 2024 campaign, and you will see it only here on CNN.

00:00:11.920 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris and vice presidential nominee Tim Walz.

00:00:17.900 Hello. Hi. Hi. How are you?

00:00:20.380 Tonight, the new Democratic ticket in their first interview.

00:00:24.380 Hi. Hi, crew.

00:00:26.480 In the final sprint to Election Day.

00:00:29.320 One, two, three.

00:00:30.940 Their top priorities for the country.

00:00:33.140 What would you do on day one in the White House?

00:00:35.840 The tough questions on their records.

00:00:38.200 The steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?

00:00:41.100 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

00:00:45.300 Taking on Donald Trump.

00:00:46.980 People might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face to face.

00:00:51.320 That fateful phone call from Joe Biden.

00:00:54.060 I'll give you a little too much information.

00:00:55.380 And their take on those viral convention images.

00:00:59.900 It's very humbling.

00:01:01.080 It's very humbling in many ways.

00:01:03.120 I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that.

00:01:07.300 With just days until early voting begins, a defining moment in the race for the White House.

00:01:13.000 CNN's exclusive interview of the Democratic nominees starts now.

00:01:18.340 Good evening.

00:01:31.620 We're live from Savannah, Georgia.

00:01:33.540 I'm Dana Bash.

00:01:34.500 And this is a state very much up for grabs.

00:01:37.300 In between a whirlwind series of stops, I sat down with the Democratic candidate for president

00:01:42.040 and her running mate today at Kim's Cafe here in Savannah.

00:01:46.300 Inside, nothing was off the table.

00:01:48.620 And you will see our interview in its entirety.

00:01:51.900 The vice president's first as her party's standard bearer, responding to her critics and answering our questions.

00:02:01.040 Welcome on board.

00:02:02.300 Thank you.

00:02:03.020 It's good to see you.

00:02:03.780 This is not where Vice President Harris thought she would be. 0.97

00:02:07.760 We're going to Georgia.

00:02:08.740 Yes.

00:02:09.580 Seventh trip there this year for me.

00:02:12.060 A surprise nominee for president just months from Election Day.

00:02:16.340 Set in motion after a stunning debate.

00:02:19.300 Look, if we finally beat Medicare.

00:02:24.820 Some within your own party are wondering if President Biden should even step aside.

00:02:29.620 What do you say to that?

00:02:30.280 There was a slow start, but it was a strong finish.

00:02:33.780 And then an extraordinary decision.

00:02:36.600 I've decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. 0.93

00:02:41.440 Philadelphia!

00:02:43.380 What usually takes years of planning coming together in a matter of weeks.

00:02:48.300 Tim Wall!

00:02:52.680 After a historic nomination at the convention in Chicago.

00:02:56.440 On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on earth.

00:03:07.260 I accept your nomination to be president of the United States of America.

00:03:14.320 The Harris-Walls ticket is now pushing forward with the shortest presidential campaign in modern history.

00:03:25.100 What did you hear from voters here?

00:03:26.820 People are very optimistic.

00:03:29.060 We join them on the trail as they visited the battleground of Georgia.

00:03:33.040 Just 68 days from the election.

00:03:44.700 Madam Vice President, Governor Walls, thank you so much for sitting down with me and bringing the bus.

00:03:49.600 The bus tour is well underway here in Georgia.

00:03:51.980 You have less time to make your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history.

00:04:00.900 The voters are really eager to hear what your plans are.

00:04:04.040 If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House?

00:04:08.840 Well, there are a number of things.

00:04:10.560 I will tell you, first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.

00:04:20.080 When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people,

00:04:27.080 I think that people are ready for a new way forward.

00:04:33.500 In a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.

00:04:38.800 I think, sadly, in the last decade, we have had in the former president someone who has really been pushing an agenda

00:04:51.180 and in an environment that is about diminishing the character and the strength of who we are as Americans,

00:05:00.120 really dividing our nation.

00:05:03.120 And I think people are ready to turn the page on that.

00:05:05.600 So what would you do day one?

00:05:06.600 Day one, it's going to be about, one, implementing my plan for what I call an opportunity economy.

00:05:12.140 I've already laid out a number of proposals in that regard,

00:05:15.760 which include what we're going to do to bring down the cost of everyday goods,

00:05:19.500 what we're going to do to invest in America's small businesses,

00:05:22.340 what we're going to do to invest in families.

00:05:25.640 For example, extending the child tax credit to $6,000 for families for the first year of their child's life

00:05:31.780 to help them buy a car seat, to help them buy baby clothes, a crib.

00:05:36.840 There's the work that we're going to do that is about investing in the American family around affordable housing,

00:05:43.500 a big issue in our country right now.

00:05:45.200 So there are a number of things on day one.

00:05:48.300 What about you?

00:05:49.480 Well, I'm excited about this agenda, too.

00:05:51.340 As I said, the idea of inspiring America to what can be.

00:05:54.620 And I think many of these things that the vice president is proposing are things that we share in values.

00:05:59.280 And the child tax credit is one we know that reduces childhood poverty by a third.

00:06:02.940 We did it in Minnesota to have a federal partner in this.

00:06:06.560 Unbelievable, I think, in the impact that we can make.

00:06:08.720 You talked about, you call it the opportunity economy.

00:06:13.600 You are well aware that right now many Americans are struggling.

00:06:18.360 There's a crisis of affordability.

00:06:20.760 One of your campaign themes is we're not going back.

00:06:24.320 But I wonder what you say to voters who do want to go back when it comes to the economy specifically

00:06:30.580 because their groceries were less expensive, housing was more affordable when Donald Trump was president.

00:06:36.860 Well, let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden and I came in office, during the height of a pandemic,

00:06:45.100 we saw over 10 million jobs were lost.

00:06:50.100 People, I mean, literally, we were all tracking the numbers.

00:06:54.660 Hundreds of people a day were dying because of COVID.

00:06:57.620 The economy had crashed.

00:07:00.020 In large part, all of that because of mismanagement by Donald Trump of that crisis.

00:07:04.480 When we came in, our highest priority was to do what we could to rescue America.

00:07:10.340 And today, we know that we have inflation at under 3%.

00:07:14.680 A lot of our policies have led to the reality that America recovered faster than any wealthy nation around the world.

00:07:21.840 But you are right.

00:07:23.880 Prices, in particular for groceries, are still too high.

00:07:26.420 The American people know it.

00:07:27.400 I know it, which is why my agenda includes what we need to do to bring down the price of groceries.

00:07:32.260 For example, dealing with an issue like price gouging.

00:07:34.920 What we need to do to extend the child tax credit to help young families be able to take care of their children in their most formative years.

00:07:43.100 What we need to do to bring down the cost of housing.

00:07:45.600 My proposal includes what would be a tax credit of $25,000 for first-time homebuyers.

00:07:52.620 So they can just have enough to put a down payment on a home, which is part of the American dream and their aspiration.

00:08:00.580 But do it in a way that allows them to actually get on the path to achieving that goal and that dream.

00:08:06.760 So you have been vice president for three and a half years.

00:08:09.100 Now, the steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?

00:08:14.680 Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, and we have done that.

00:08:18.640 I'm very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%.

00:08:23.180 The work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors.

00:08:28.160 Donald Trump said he was going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

00:08:32.540 It never happened.

00:08:33.800 We did it.

00:08:34.380 So now, as I travel in the state of Georgia and around our country, the number of seniors that have benefited.

00:08:41.280 I've met, I was in Nevada recently, a grandmother who showed me her receipts.

00:08:47.860 And before we capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month, she was paying hundreds of dollars, up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin. 0.98

00:08:56.380 She's not doing that anymore. 1.00

00:08:57.460 You maintain Bidenomics is a success.

00:09:00.080 I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000,

00:09:10.980 when we do what we did in the first year of being in office to extend the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty in America by over 50%,

00:09:20.140 when we do what we have done to invest in the American people in bringing manufacturing back to the United States so that we created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs,

00:09:31.040 bringing business back to America, what we have done to improve the supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to supply American families with their basic needs,

00:09:42.260 I'll say that that's good work. There's more to do, but that's good work.

00:09:46.360 I want to get some clarity on where you stand on some key policy issues. Energy is a big one. When you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal.

00:09:58.400 And in 2019, you said, quote, there is no question I'm in favor of banning fracking. Fracking, as you know, is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must-win state of Pennsylvania.

00:10:08.580 Sure. Do you still want to ban fracking? No, and I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020, that I would not ban fracking.

00:10:17.680 As vice president, I did not ban fracking. As president, I will not ban fracking.

00:10:23.500 In 2019, I believe, at a town hall, you said, you were asked, would you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking on your first day in office?

00:10:31.840 And you said, there's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking. So, yes. So, it changed in that campaign?

00:10:38.580 In 2020, I made very clear where I stand. We are in 2024, and I've not changed that position, nor will I going forward. I kept my word, and I will keep my word.

00:10:47.460 What made you change that position at the time?

00:10:50.500 Well, let's be clear. My values have not changed.

00:10:53.920 I believe it is very important that we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate.

00:11:04.420 And to do that, we can do what we have accomplished thus far, the Inflation Reduction Act, what we have done to invest, by my calculation,

00:11:13.800 over probably a trillion dollars over the next 10 years, investing in a clean energy economy, what we've already done, creating over 300,000 new clean energy jobs.

00:11:24.200 That tells me, from my experience as vice president, we can do it without banning fracking.

00:11:29.440 In fact, Dana, Dana, excuse me, I cast the tie-breaking vote that actually increased leases for fracking as vice president.

00:11:39.560 So, I'm very clear about where I stand.

00:11:41.340 And was there some policy or scientific data that you saw that you said, oh, okay, I get it now?

00:11:47.340 What I have seen is that we can grow and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without banning fracking.

00:11:57.040 Okay.

00:11:57.800 Another issue, a big one, is immigration.

00:12:00.140 As vice president, you were tasked with addressing the root causes of migration in southern countries.

00:12:08.960 Northern part of Central America.

00:12:10.400 The northern part of Central America that deals with, that affects the southern border of the U.S.

00:12:16.180 During the Biden-Harris administration, there were record numbers of illegal border crossings.

00:12:22.220 Why did the Biden-Harris administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping asylum restrictions?

00:12:28.760 Well, first of all, the root causes work that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president

00:12:35.080 has actually resulted in a number of benefits, including historic investments by American businesses in that region.

00:12:42.560 The number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced since we began that work.

00:12:49.880 But I will say this, that Joe Biden and I and our administration worked with members of the United States Congress

00:12:58.040 on an immigration issue that is very significant to the American people and to our security, which is the border.

00:13:05.940 And through bipartisan work, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Congress,

00:13:12.060 a bill was crafted, which we supported, which I support.

00:13:16.640 And Donald Trump got word of this bill that would have contributed to securing our border.

00:13:23.720 And because he believes that it would not have helped him politically, he told his folks in Congress,

00:13:32.480 don't put it forward.

00:13:33.280 He killed the bill.

00:13:34.740 A border security bill that would have put 1,500 more agents on the border.

00:13:39.780 And let me tell you something, the Border Patrol endorsed the bill.

00:13:43.480 And I'm sure, and I'm sure in large part because they knew they were working around the clock

00:13:47.500 and 1,500 more agents would help them.

00:13:50.540 That bill would have allowed us to increase seizures of fentanyl.

00:13:54.200 Ask any community in America that has been devastated by fentanyl

00:13:58.680 what passing that bill would have done to address their concern and a pain that they've experienced.

00:14:04.800 So you would push that legislation again?

00:14:06.500 Not only push it, I will make sure that it comes to my desk and I would sign it.

00:14:11.580 There's one other question about something that you said in 2019 when you first ran.

00:14:17.420 There was a debate.

00:14:18.100 You raised your hand when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized.

00:14:24.580 Do you still believe that?

00:14:26.220 I believe there should be consequence.

00:14:28.180 We have laws that have to be followed and enforced that address and deal with people 0.67

00:14:34.000 who cross our border illegally and there should be consequence.

00:14:37.700 And let's be clear, in this race, I'm the only person who has prosecuted transnational criminal 0.94

00:14:44.820 organizations who are trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings.

00:14:48.300 I'm the only person in this race who actually served a border state as attorney general to enforce

00:14:55.200 our laws.

00:14:55.700 And I would enforce our laws as president going forward.

00:14:58.620 I recognize the problem.

00:15:00.700 Generally speaking, how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made,

00:15:06.740 that you've explained some of here in your policy?

00:15:09.920 Is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information?

00:15:15.500 Is it because you were running for president in a democratic primary?

00:15:19.960 And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be

00:15:24.700 your policy moving forward?

00:15:26.660 Dana, I think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions

00:15:34.240 is my values have not changed.

00:15:36.640 You mentioned the Green New Deal.

00:15:38.140 I have always believed, and I have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that

00:15:45.700 it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to

00:15:51.800 deadlines around time.

00:15:54.260 We did that with the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:15:57.000 We have set goals for the United States of America and, by extension, the globe around when

00:16:02.140 we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

00:16:06.040 As an example, that value has not changed.

00:16:08.800 My value around what we need to do to secure our border, that value has not changed.

00:16:13.560 I spent two terms as the Attorney General of California prosecuting transnational criminal

00:16:19.300 organizations, violations of American laws regarding the passage, illegal passage of guns, drugs,

00:16:25.820 and human beings across our border.

00:16:27.380 My values have not changed.

00:16:29.740 So that is the reality of it.

00:16:31.800 And four years of being vice president, I'll tell you, one of the aspects to your point

00:16:36.920 is traveling the country extensively.

00:16:40.400 I mean, I'm here in Georgia.

00:16:41.420 I think somebody told me 17 times since I've been vice president in Georgia alone.

00:16:45.520 I believe it is important to build consensus, and it is important to find a common place

00:16:53.740 of understanding of where we can actually solve problems.

00:16:57.180 On that note, you had a lot of Republican speakers at the convention.

00:17:01.140 Will you appoint a Republican to your cabinet?

00:17:03.540 Yes, I would.

00:17:04.880 Anyone in mind?

00:17:05.560 Yes, I would.

00:17:05.960 No one in particular in mind.

00:17:07.640 I got 68 days to go with this election, so I'm not putting the cart before the horse.

00:17:12.000 But I would.

00:17:12.720 I think it's really important.

00:17:16.040 I have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion.

00:17:21.860 I think it's important to have people at the table when some of the most important decisions

00:17:25.780 are being made that have different views, different experiences.

00:17:30.120 And I think it would be to the benefit of the American public to have a member of my cabinet

00:17:35.300 who was a Republican.

00:17:38.500 That was just the start of our wide-ranging conversation.

00:17:41.380 And we have some never-before-shared details about the phone call that changed everything

00:17:46.380 between President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

00:17:51.660 I'm just curious, staying on President Biden, when he called you and said he was pulling out

00:17:57.620 of the race, what was that like?

00:17:59.640 And did he offer to endorse you right away, or did you ask for it?

00:18:02.780 It was, um, it was a Sunday, so here, I'll give you a little too much information.

00:18:09.780 Go for it.

00:18:10.780 There's no such thing.

00:18:11.780 Madam Vice President.

00:18:12.780 And her running mate.

00:18:14.780 I asked him about some of the controversies that have sprung up since Harris put him on

00:18:19.780 the ticket.

00:18:22.780 Governor Walz.

00:18:23.780 The country is just starting to get to know you.

00:18:26.780 I want to ask you a question about how you've described your service in the National Guard.

00:18:31.780 You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed, actually, in a war zone.

00:18:38.780 A campaign official said that you misspoke.

00:18:40.780 Did you?

00:18:44.780 The debate stage in Philadelphia, and when I say meet, I mean literally meet.

00:18:49.780 Would you believe they have never talked face to face?

00:18:52.780 The only time they've even been in the same room was when Harris was a senator watching

00:18:56.780 Trump's State of the Union address.

00:18:58.780 Now, it's Trump watching Harris on the campaign trail with money and momentum behind her and 0.93

00:19:04.780 making her case directly to voters.

00:19:07.780 As voters are getting to know Kamala Harris, they want answers on how she will make their

00:19:14.780 lives better.

00:19:16.780 She heard that here at Sandfly Barbecue in Savannah.

00:19:19.780 What we're going to do to increase access to capital for small businesses, I'll be rolling

00:19:23.780 out next week.

00:19:24.780 Part of what we're going to be doing in terms of a tax credit.

00:19:27.780 On the trail, she talks about her experience, years in the courtroom as a district attorney

00:19:32.780 and eventually California's attorney general.

00:19:35.780 She wants to reframe the contest as the prosecutor versus the felon.

00:19:39.780 I know Donald Trump's type.

00:19:43.780 I've been dealing with them my whole career.

00:19:46.780 The former president is turning to a well-defined playbook of personal attacks.

00:19:51.780 I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, 0.96

00:19:56.780 and now she wants to be known as black. 1.00

00:19:58.780 And in just 12 days, the nominees will meet face to face for the first time. 0.89

00:20:03.780 She's not a good debater. 1.00

00:20:04.780 She's not a smart person.

00:20:05.780 She doesn't want to debate.

00:20:06.780 If you've got something to say, say it to my face.

00:20:16.780 I want to ask you about your opponent, Donald Trump.

00:20:19.780 OK.

00:20:20.780 I was a little bit surprised.

00:20:22.780 People might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face

00:20:26.780 to face.

00:20:27.780 That's going to change soon.

00:20:28.780 But what I want to ask you about is what he said last month.

00:20:32.780 He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes,

00:20:37.780 questioning a core part of your identity.

00:20:40.780 Yeah.

00:20:41.780 Any same old tired playbook.

00:20:46.780 Next question, please.

00:20:47.780 That's it?

00:20:48.780 That's it.

00:20:49.780 OK.

00:20:50.780 Let's talk about some foreign policy issues that would be on your plate if you become commander-in-chief.

00:20:55.780 President Biden has tried unsuccessfully to end the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

00:21:02.780 He's been doing it for months and months along with you.

00:21:05.780 Would you do anything differently?

00:21:07.780 For example, would you withhold some U.S. weapons shipments to Israel?

00:21:11.780 That's what a lot of people on the progressive left want you to do.

00:21:14.780 Yeah.

00:21:15.780 Let me be very clear.

00:21:17.780 I'm unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel's defense and its ability to defend

00:21:24.780 itself.

00:21:25.780 And that's not going to change.

00:21:27.780 But let's take a step back.

00:21:30.780 October 7, 1,200 people are massacred.

00:21:36.780 Many young people who are simply attending a music festival. 0.57

00:21:42.780 Women were horribly raped.

00:21:45.780 As I said, then I say today, Israel had a right, has a right to defend itself.

00:21:50.780 We would.

00:21:51.780 And how it does so matters.

00:21:54.780 Far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.

00:21:59.780 And we have got to get a deal done.

00:22:04.780 We were in Doha.

00:22:06.780 We have to get a deal done.

00:22:08.780 This war must end.

00:22:09.780 In the meantime.

00:22:10.780 And we must get a deal that is about getting the hostages out.

00:22:15.780 I've met with the families of the American hostages.

00:22:18.780 Let's get the hostages out. 0.68

00:22:19.780 Let's get the ceasefire done.

00:22:21.780 But no change in policy in terms of arms and so forth?

00:22:25.780 No.

00:22:26.780 We have to get a deal done.

00:22:28.780 Dana, we have to get a deal done.

00:22:30.780 When you look at the significance of this to the families, to the people who are living

00:22:36.780 in that region, a deal is not only the right thing to do to end this war, but will unlock

00:22:45.780 so much of what must happen next.

00:22:47.780 I remain committed since I've been on October 8 to what we must do to work toward a two-state

00:22:54.780 solution, where Israel is secure and in equal measure the Palestinians have security and 0.57

00:23:01.780 self-determination and dignity.

00:23:04.780 Governor Walz, the country is just starting to get to know you.

00:23:09.780 I want to ask you a question about how you've described your service in the National Guard.

00:23:15.780 You said that you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed actually in a war zone.

00:23:21.780 A campaign official said that you misspoke.

00:23:24.780 Did you?

00:23:25.780 Well, first of all, I'm incredibly proud.

00:23:27.780 I've done 24 years of wearing the uniform of this country.

00:23:30.780 Equally proud of my service in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.

00:23:35.780 My record speaks for itself, but I think people are coming to get to know me.

00:23:39.780 I speak like they do.

00:23:40.780 I speak candidly.

00:23:41.780 I wear my emotions on my sleeves.

00:23:43.780 And I speak especially passionately about our children being shot in schools and around guns.

00:23:50.780 So I think people know me.

00:23:52.780 They know who I am.

00:23:53.780 They know where my heart is.

00:23:55.780 And again, my record has been out there for over 40 years, to speak for itself.

00:23:59.780 And the idea that you said that you were in war.

00:24:03.780 Did you misspeak, as the campaign has said?

00:24:05.780 Yeah.

00:24:06.780 I said we were talking about, in this case, this was after a school shooting.

00:24:09.780 The ideas of carrying these weapons of war.

00:24:11.780 And my wife, the English, she told my grammar, is not always correct.

00:24:14.780 But again, if it's not this, it's an attack on my children for showing love for me, or it's an attack on my dog.

00:24:20.780 I'm not going to do that.

00:24:21.780 And the one thing I'll never do is I'll never demean another member's service in any way.

00:24:25.780 I never have, and I never will.

00:24:27.780 I just, one other question, because again, this is all new.

00:24:30.780 Yeah.

00:24:31.780 I mean, this was not however many days ago.

00:24:34.780 This was not on either of your bingo cards, especially yours.

00:24:37.780 You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.

00:24:50.780 And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.

00:25:00.780 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

00:25:06.780 Well, I've been very public.

00:25:07.780 I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they do, they vouch for me.

00:25:13.780 I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.

00:25:15.780 The one thing I'll tell you is I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.

00:25:19.780 I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell, and families know this. 0.92

00:25:23.780 And I spoke about the treatments that were available to us that had those beautiful children there.

00:25:28.780 That's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to take those rights away from us.

00:25:33.780 And so I think people know who I am.

00:25:37.780 They know that record.

00:25:38.780 They've seen that.

00:25:39.780 I've taught thousands of students.

00:25:40.780 I've been out there.

00:25:41.780 And I won't apologize for speaking passionately whether it's guns in schools or protecting

00:25:47.780 reproductive rights. 0.98

00:25:48.780 The contrast could not be clear between what we're running against.

00:25:51.780 The vice president's position on this has been clear.

00:25:53.780 And I think most Americans get it if you've been through that.

00:25:57.780 I don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI.

00:25:59.780 I think what they're cutting hairs on is an abortion ban and the ability to be able to deny families the chance to have a beautiful child. 0.82

00:26:05.780 Up next, the moment that changed everything when Kamala Harris got a phone call from President Biden that he was dropping out of the race.

00:26:15.780 It was, um, it was a Sunday.

00:26:20.780 So, here, I'll give you a little too much information.

00:26:23.780 Go for it.

00:26:24.780 There's no such thing, Madam Vice President.

00:26:26.780 Um, my family was staying with us.

00:26:29.780 And, um, including my baby nieces.

00:26:34.780 Speaking of those baby nieces, the vice president also opens up about a viral picture from the convention that meant so much to so many.

00:26:43.780 And Tim Walz talks about that convention moment with his son that brought many viewers to tears.

00:26:52.780 You were speaking.

00:26:53.780 The camera caught him.

00:26:54.780 So incredibly proud of you.

00:26:56.780 So emotional.

00:26:57.780 Saying, that's my dad.

00:27:00.780 Yeah, I, uh, I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that.

00:27:04.780 I'm trying to, I would love to hear you.

00:27:05.780 Thank you.

00:27:06.780 Thank you.

00:27:07.780 Thank you.

00:27:08.780 Thank you.

00:27:09.780 Thank you.

00:27:10.780 Thank you.

00:27:11.780 And I'm welcome back.

00:27:12.780 Welcome back.

00:27:13.780 Live from Savannah, Georgia, and our exclusive interview with the Democratic presidential and Vice

00:27:15.780 Presidential nominees, Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

00:27:19.780 It's hard to believe it was just 39 days ago President Biden shocked the world via tweet.

00:27:26.200 That's how we found out he was dropping his re-election bid.

00:27:29.200 But before he tweeted the news, Biden called his vice president.

00:27:32.580 And for the first time, we are hearing about that phone call

00:27:35.200 and exactly what Kamala Harris was doing when she answered.

00:27:38.920 But we started this discussion with the moment that set all of this in motion,

00:27:42.780 CNN's presidential debate,

00:27:44.200 and whether President Biden was strong enough to lead this nation again.

00:27:50.160 Vice President Harris, you were a very staunch defender

00:27:53.680 of President Biden's capacity to serve another four years.

00:27:56.820 Right after the debate, you insisted that President Biden is extraordinarily strong.

00:28:01.900 Given where we are now, do you have any regrets about what you told the American people?

00:28:07.180 No, not at all. Not at all.

00:28:09.600 I have served with President Biden for almost four years now,

00:28:16.500 and I'll tell you, it's one of the greatest honors of my career, truly.

00:28:19.000 He cares so deeply about the American people.

00:28:24.080 He is so smart and loyal to the American people.

00:28:31.360 And I have spent hours upon hours with him,

00:28:34.760 be it in the Oval Office or the Situation Room.

00:28:37.660 He has the intelligence, the commitment, and the judgment,

00:28:41.320 and disposition that I think the American people rightly deserve in their president.

00:28:49.440 By contrast, the former president has none of that.

00:28:53.580 And so, one, I am so proud to have served as vice president to Joe Biden.

00:29:00.020 And two, I am so proud to be running with Tim Walz for president of the United States

00:29:06.920 and to bring America what I believe the American people deserve,

00:29:12.020 which is a new way forward,

00:29:14.040 and turn the page on the last decade of what I believe has been contrary

00:29:20.840 to where the spirit of our country really lies.

00:29:24.340 But the last decade, of course, the last three and a half years,

00:29:27.140 has been part of your administration.

00:29:28.520 I'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago

00:29:33.140 where there is some suggestion, warped, I believe it to be,

00:29:38.800 that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down

00:29:43.940 instead of where I believe most Americans are,

00:29:48.180 which is to believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader

00:29:51.280 is based on who you lift up.

00:29:53.160 That's what's at stake as much as any other detail

00:29:55.800 that we could discuss in this election.

00:29:57.700 Because we haven't had a chance to talk,

00:30:01.700 I'm just curious, staying on President Biden,

00:30:04.880 when he called you and said he was pulling out of the race,

00:30:07.960 what was that like?

00:30:09.360 And did he offer to endorse you right away,

00:30:11.640 or did you ask for it?

00:30:12.540 It was a Sunday, so here, I'll give you a little too much information.

00:30:19.760 Go for it. There's no such thing, Madam Vice President. 0.94

00:30:22.520 My family was staying with us, including my baby nieces,

00:30:29.900 and we had just had pancakes and, you know,

00:30:35.600 Auntie, can I have more bacon?

00:30:37.060 Yes, I'll make you more bacon.

00:30:38.280 And then we were going to sit, we were sitting down to do a puzzle.

00:30:45.460 And the phone rang, and it was Joe Biden.

00:30:48.040 And he told me what he had decided to do.

00:30:51.700 And I asked him, are you sure?

00:30:56.040 And he said yes.

00:31:00.120 And, um...

00:31:02.040 And that's how I learned about it.

00:31:05.520 And what about the endorsement?

00:31:06.740 Did you ask for it?

00:31:08.620 He was very clear that he was going to support me.

00:31:11.180 So when he called to tell you,

00:31:12.260 he said, I'm pulling out of the race,

00:31:13.660 and I'm going to support you?

00:31:14.820 Well, my first thought was not about me,

00:31:16.700 to be honest with you.

00:31:17.440 I think history is going to show a number of things

00:31:26.940 about Joe Biden's presidency.

00:31:29.140 I think history is going to show

00:31:31.160 that in so many ways it was transformative,

00:31:35.420 be it on what we have accomplished

00:31:38.540 around finally investing in America's infrastructure,

00:31:42.300 investing in new economies, in new industries,

00:31:45.060 what we have done to bring our allies back together

00:31:49.560 and have confidence in who we are as America

00:31:51.820 and grow that alliance,

00:31:53.980 what we have done to stand true to our principles,

00:31:57.360 including one of the most important

00:31:59.660 international rules and norms,

00:32:01.180 which is the importance of sovereignty

00:32:02.420 and territorial integrity.

00:32:04.580 And I think history is going to show

00:32:07.040 not only has Joe Biden led an administration

00:32:10.260 that has achieved those extraordinary successes,

00:32:15.060 but the character of the man

00:32:17.640 is one that he has been in his life and career,

00:32:24.280 including as a president, quite selfless

00:32:26.480 and puts the American people first.

00:32:31.320 A passionate defense of the man who chose her

00:32:34.100 to be his running mate four years ago.

00:32:36.700 Four years later, Harris made a choice of her own.

00:32:39.400 And with Governor Walz's rise to national prominence,

00:32:43.280 a star was born at the convention, Gus Walz.

00:32:46.320 We'll hear about that moment between father and son

00:32:49.500 and the woman who could make history in the Oval Office 0.99

00:32:52.420 on this iconic photo.

00:32:56.980 Madam Vice President, the photograph that has gone viral.

00:33:01.380 You were speaking.

00:33:02.840 One of your grandnieces that you were just talking about

00:33:04.900 was watching you accept the nomination.

00:33:08.520 You didn't explicitly talk about gender

00:33:10.520 or race in your speech,

00:33:12.600 but it obviously means a lot to a lot of people

00:33:14.940 and that viral picture really says it.

00:33:18.220 What does it mean to you?

00:33:22.060 We're back live from Savannah, Georgia

00:33:24.620 and our CNN exclusive interview

00:33:26.680 with Vice President Kamala Harris

00:33:28.220 and her running mate,

00:33:29.340 who was supposed to be,

00:33:30.720 if you listened to some experts,

00:33:32.480 it's a big name,

00:33:33.500 a prominent leader from a swing state,

00:33:35.340 Pennsylvania or Arizona.

00:33:37.560 But it is a little-known guy

00:33:39.620 outside of his home state

00:33:41.200 where Minnesota nice is a source of pride.

00:33:44.420 But behind all of that folksy humor and flannel,

00:33:47.040 Tim Walz is far from just being Mr. Nice Guy

00:33:49.880 when it comes to needling Donald Trump.

00:33:54.560 Governor, you obviously have spoken to voters

00:33:56.720 all over your state for years.

00:33:58.720 What are you learning in a place like Georgia?

00:34:00.400 We're seeing explosion in small business growth.

00:34:02.820 The one thing is his workforce and child care

00:34:05.100 because workers have to have child care.

00:34:08.420 Campaigning with Tim Walz.

00:34:10.000 Don't do it.

00:34:11.020 Finding his role in this historic campaign.

00:34:14.120 Would you be my running mate

00:34:15.440 and let's get this thing on the road?

00:34:18.700 I would be honored, Madam Vice President.

00:34:21.240 After bursting onto the national stage with this word.

00:34:25.120 These guys are just weird.

00:34:26.080 Known as a folksy father of two from rural America,

00:34:30.400 now a running mate who is not holding back.

00:34:33.580 Listen to the guy.

00:34:34.720 He's talking about Hannibal Lecter and shocking sharks

00:34:37.380 and just whatever crazy thing pops into his mind.

00:34:41.240 And finding his own rhythm with his new boss.

00:34:44.400 What did you order?

00:34:45.500 Brisket and greens and mac and cheese.

00:34:48.320 What about you?

00:34:48.860 I had the brisket and coleslaw on this.

00:34:51.320 And what about the spice situation, the Tabasco?

00:34:53.720 What's happening with that?

00:34:54.640 I'm going to live in the street for himself. 0.99

00:34:55.960 The Vice President's growing peppers at her residence.

00:34:58.500 So she's trying to like bring me along on this.

00:35:00.280 You know, Minnesotans.

00:35:01.580 It's okay.

00:35:02.420 I'm getting there.

00:35:02.940 It's okay.

00:35:03.740 You just do you.

00:35:06.320 I just have to ask you both about two standout moments.

00:35:10.100 Aside, of course, from the addresses that you both gave.

00:35:13.800 But standout moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention.

00:35:18.340 You mentioned one of them, Governor.

00:35:20.180 A moment that you shared, that the world shared with your son, Gus.

00:35:26.520 You were speaking.

00:35:27.840 The camera caught him.

00:35:29.180 So incredibly proud of you.

00:35:30.960 So emotional.

00:35:32.220 Saying, that's my dad.

00:35:34.900 Yeah.

00:35:35.520 I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that.

00:35:39.040 I'm grateful for so many reasons to be on this ticket.

00:35:41.620 At that moment, to understand what was really important.

00:35:45.080 To have my son feel a sense of pride in me.

00:35:48.160 That I was trying to do the right thing.

00:35:49.940 And it was, you know, you try and protect your kids.

00:35:53.100 You know, it brings notoriety and things.

00:35:56.320 But it was just such a visceral emotional moment that I'm just, I'm grateful I got to experience it.

00:36:02.980 And I'm so proud of him.

00:36:04.620 I'm proud of him.

00:36:05.300 I'm proud of Hope.

00:36:05.940 I'm proud of Gwen.

00:36:06.760 She's a wonderful mother.

00:36:08.080 And these are great kids.

00:36:09.100 And I think the one thing is, talking about the era we're in, is our politics can be better.

00:36:14.040 It can be different.

00:36:14.960 We can show some of these things.

00:36:17.680 And we can have families involved in this.

00:36:19.380 And I hope that there was a, I hope people felt that out there.

00:36:22.600 And I hope they hug their kids a little tighter.

00:36:24.200 Because you just never know.

00:36:25.320 And life can be kind of hard.

00:36:26.560 And last question, Madam Vice President, the photograph that has gone viral, you were

00:36:32.840 speaking, one of your grandnieces that you were just talking about, was watching you accept

00:36:37.440 the nomination.

00:36:38.980 You didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech.

00:36:43.540 But it obviously means a lot to a lot of people.

00:36:46.020 And that viral picture really says it.

00:36:49.180 What does it mean to you?

00:36:50.120 You know, I, listen, I am running because I believe that I am the best person to do this

00:36:59.300 job at this moment, for all Americans, regardless of race and gender.

00:37:05.960 But I did see that photograph.

00:37:08.280 And I was deeply touched by it.

00:37:10.400 And you're right, it's the back of her head, her two little braids.

00:37:13.660 And, um, and then I'm in the front of the photograph, obviously speaking.

00:37:20.000 And, um, it's very humbling.

00:37:23.180 It's very humbling in many ways.

00:37:25.360 Did she talk to you about it afterwards?

00:37:27.280 Oh, she had a lot to talk about.

00:37:29.340 She had a lot.

00:37:30.740 She listened to everything.

00:37:32.440 And she listens to everything.

00:37:33.860 Give you your hot takes.

00:37:34.760 Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:37:36.140 Uh-huh.

00:37:37.280 Madam Vice President, Governor Walz, thank you so much for your time.

00:37:40.440 Appreciate it.

00:37:41.200 Thanks for having us.

00:37:41.660 Thank you, Dana.

00:37:42.220 Thank you.

00:37:43.660 This was Vice President Harris's first real unscripted setting where voters could see and

00:37:49.380 hear her explain some of her policy positions now and how they differ from before she became

00:37:54.440 vice president and why.

00:37:56.280 And this was the first we heard those details about an extraordinary phone call from a president

00:38:00.800 dropping out of the race and endorsing his vice president, something that will certainly

00:38:05.660 go down in history.

00:38:07.720 CNN has also invited both President Trump and Senator J.D. Vance to sit down with us.

00:38:12.780 We hope to bring that interview to you as well.

00:38:16.020 We have plenty of CNN special coverage ahead.

00:38:18.300 I want to go to my friend and colleague, Abby Phillip, who is standing by with some of the best

00:38:22.740 political minds in the business.

00:38:24.900 Abby?

00:38:25.220 We have them all here.

00:38:26.200 Dana, you've given us a lot to chew on.

00:38:28.800 Our hat's off to you.

00:38:29.720 Thank you very much.

00:38:31.360 Stick around, though.

00:38:32.100 We will make sure to come back to you throughout the next hour.

00:38:34.700 I want to get in the room here to get some initial reactions with our great panel.

00:38:38.520 David Oxelrod, let's start with you.

00:38:40.180 What did you make of how Vice President Harris did?

00:38:43.580 Did she meet the moment?

00:38:45.800 Yeah, I think she did what she needed to do.

00:38:47.720 What she needed to do was be the same person that people have seen on the stage for the

00:38:53.440 last month and have seen a new sense of sort of confidence, of calm and comfortable comfort

00:39:03.340 that we haven't seen before from her.

00:39:05.660 We didn't see certainly the last time she ran.

00:39:07.880 She was very connected to her words.

00:39:11.100 She seemed strong.

00:39:11.940 She seemed competent.

00:39:13.080 She seemed like someone who could be President of the United States. 1.00

00:39:15.360 That was the first test.

00:39:17.400 One thing, because I know we've got a lot of opinions here.

00:39:21.040 We have time for yours.

00:39:22.320 Don't worry.

00:39:22.880 But, you know, I think she, well, two things then.

00:39:26.160 I think that she handled the issue of her changes or perceived changes in policy pretty well.

00:39:36.480 I mean, I think the idea that her values have been the same and have been consistent was

00:39:41.960 a good bridge there.

00:39:44.540 One thing that I want to note is the quote, we were asking the question earlier, how will

00:39:49.400 she handle the president and will she separate herself from the president? 1.00

00:39:53.100 And there might be some political logic to doing that.

00:39:56.000 She's turning about turning the page.

00:39:57.540 Does she want to be a continuation? 0.97

00:39:59.640 That's what the Republicans will want to make.

00:40:01.500 From the age of big brother.

00:40:03.780 If they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:40:06.120 DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:40:09.960 They're collecting your communications.

00:40:11.800 Okay, Thought Crime Thursday.

00:40:23.580 A little delayed tonight because we wanted to see and react to the Kamala Harris interview,

00:40:29.720 which was supposed to be all this pent-up interest in a single interview.

00:40:34.800 She should be doing these once a day. 0.93

00:40:36.560 It's ridiculous.

00:40:37.120 I think we have Blake. 0.57

00:40:38.340 Jack is trying to come in.

00:40:39.580 We want to have immediate reaction here, though.

00:40:41.720 Blake, your reaction.

00:40:44.080 She's not good at this. 1.00

00:40:45.500 Speaking and talking.

00:40:46.580 She's a nervous wreck.

00:40:48.040 And you can see why they've been hiding her for quite some time.

00:40:50.920 Can't believe I'm saying this.

00:40:51.860 I thought Dana Bash did a good job. 1.00

00:40:54.420 I thought she was far more clear and fair in her follow-up than I would have anticipated.

00:40:58.440 But you're looking at this as an independent swing voter for Kamala Harris.

00:41:02.500 She doesn't seem strong.

00:41:03.540 She doesn't seem poised.

00:41:04.720 She's flailing her hands all over the place. 1.00

00:41:06.940 Blake, your reaction to the much-awaited debate, not debate, the interview with Kamala Harris.

00:41:13.600 Yeah, Charlie.

00:41:14.680 I think the one that stood out to me the most, and it looks like it stood out to a few other people.

00:41:18.460 I saw some tweets to this effect online, including some from liberals,

00:41:21.700 is when Dana asks her, what will you do day one of your presidency?

00:41:26.840 That's a common question.

00:41:29.160 They ask that of every single presidential candidate going back years.

00:41:33.800 You know, Obama had a day one agenda, all these things.

00:41:37.120 And they ask it to her, and she doesn't have an answer.

00:41:40.720 She starts blathering, like, my first, my day one objective will be to help the middle class.

00:41:46.640 That's not an answer, Charlie.

00:41:48.100 That's not a thing you can do.

00:41:49.580 You know, you can say, I'll do this executive order, that executive order.

00:41:53.300 I'll reverse this or that policy.

00:41:55.340 Trump has an answer to that question.

00:41:56.880 Other candidates have answers to that question.

00:41:58.860 And she freezes up and just is like, I'm going to do good things when I'm president.

00:42:04.740 And admittedly, there's a bit of awkwardness because of the other thing she has to deal with,

00:42:08.440 which is you are already in an administration right now.

00:42:12.380 So anything she promises to do day one is something that Biden could do now.

00:42:16.980 And why isn't he?

00:42:18.100 But it was jarring.

00:42:21.340 She didn't have a better answer to that.

00:42:23.360 It was jarring how there was a lot of word salad in her answers.

00:42:28.780 I think her answer when they asked her about, like, Israel Gaza, she says, like, a deal is

00:42:33.620 necessary not just to end it, but to unlock what will come after.

00:42:39.440 It was just a very little and I'll say the only thing that surprised me that she didn't

00:42:46.520 really need to lean on Tim Walls as much as I thought.

00:42:48.960 Like, I kind of thought he might swoop in there to help supplement and answer at some

00:42:52.080 point, but that didn't happen.

00:42:54.000 And I think probably they calculated if he did that, it would get really seized upon.

00:42:58.320 So he did just sit there being the emotional support Tim Walls the whole time, except when

00:43:02.660 they asked him directly.

00:43:03.560 So that was probably the one big upside.

00:43:06.320 But it did.

00:43:06.840 It was not as strong as she would have wanted, I think.

00:43:09.560 So I'm here at WhiteHouse.gov.

00:43:12.540 What a real, what a better journalist should do next time, and she hopefully will sit down 0.95

00:43:16.180 for another interview, but this might be it, is, well, Kamala, your administration did

00:43:19.980 the following things on your first day.

00:43:22.400 According to WhiteHouse.gov, you stopped border wall construction.

00:43:25.800 This is literally on WhiteHouse.gov.

00:43:28.320 Bipartisan majorities in Congress refused in 2019 to fund Trump's plan for a massive border

00:43:33.000 wall, even after he shut down the government over this issue.

00:43:35.780 He then wastefully diverted billions of dollars to that construction.

00:43:38.100 By proclamation, Joe Biden will today declare an immediate termination of the national emergency

00:43:43.460 declaration that was used as a pretext to justify some of the funding diversions of the wall.

00:43:47.740 The proclamation directs an immediate pause in wall construction, protects to allow a close

00:43:51.880 review of the legality of the funding and contracting methods used, and to determine the

00:43:56.020 best way to redirect those funds.

00:43:57.220 That's number one.

00:43:57.980 Number two, there's an executive order here about preventing a discrimination of having

00:44:04.120 trans people in the military.

00:44:05.460 Do you still support that, Kamala Harris?

00:44:06.740 Of course she does.

00:44:07.320 And then finally, getting rid of the Keystone XL pipeline.

00:44:10.920 Blake, you know, this is from your reach in the world.

00:44:12.820 Day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris signed an executive order getting rid of the Keystone 0.90

00:44:16.960 XL pipeline.

00:44:18.160 And so these are very simple questions of day one because she's already had a day one.

00:44:23.400 And that's what's such a misleading component of this.

00:44:26.980 Your day one was in January of 2021.

00:44:29.500 I'm going to get Jack Posobiec in here.

00:44:31.100 Jack, welcome to your own show.

00:44:32.580 Jack, your reaction, your thought here to the Kamala Harris, Tim Wall's conversation.

00:44:39.680 Yeah, Charlie, look, she didn't do what she needed to do.

00:44:44.140 She came across as someone who studied just before she went to the tests, to the oral exam.

00:44:50.500 This came across as non-presidential.

00:44:54.060 This didn't come across as someone who's inspiring millions of people that she should be among all the 300 plus million, depending on whether or not the SAVE Act gets passed, people that are going to be in the country come this election day.

00:45:10.460 She is the one who's most important.

00:45:12.780 She's the one who should lead us.

00:45:14.020 She's the one that should deal with all of these thorny issues that we have facing us as a country.

00:45:18.840 This is the person.

00:45:19.640 There was nothing in this interview.

00:45:21.020 It was basically it felt like she was treading water the entire interview.

00:45:24.960 She seemed frustrated to be there.

00:45:26.560 She came across as completely inauthentic.

00:45:28.780 And it's sort of like, oh, you survived.

00:45:31.360 Like you made it to the last round without getting knocked out.

00:45:34.200 Is that really someone that we want as our president who struggles through a CNN interview and not into getting the specifics, but that specific that is my overall five to 50,000 foot you take is that this wasn't at the level of where it needs to be for a presidential candidate, nor would it have been for anyone had they actually gone through a primary on the Democrat side.

00:45:54.100 Gavin Newsom would have been better than this.

00:45:55.960 Gretchen Whitmer would have been better than this. 1.00

00:45:57.540 Josh Shapiro would have been better at this.

00:45:59.080 But Kamala Harris, she just doesn't have it. 1.00

00:46:00.960 Yeah, and let's just let's just make sure everyone is clear here.

00:46:06.100 The bar is set so unbelievably low that there was all this expectation as if Kamala Harris was sitting down for an interview like the interview to beget all interviews.

00:46:16.220 I mean, Blake, the lead up to this was like Frost Nixon.

00:46:19.880 Blake, as if this was going to be Richard Nixon finally being confronted about why didn't you destroy the tapes, Mr. Nixon?

00:46:25.800 This was like a very simple run of the mill interview with hype that you would lead you to believe that she was being confronted on the scandal of the century.

00:46:34.720 And but some of the questions were fine.

00:46:36.360 The end of the interview was just nauseating.

00:46:38.320 Kamala Harris, what does it make you feel that your niece with cornrows is able to watch you with this picture?

00:46:43.980 Oh, Tim Walls, you know, your son, tell us about how much you love your son.

00:46:47.300 I mean, or my my favorite and lesser appreciated part of this interview was Kamala Harris is obviously fraudulent and lying telling of what happened when Joe Biden called her. 0.96

00:46:57.560 Oh, yeah.

00:46:58.020 I was cooking pancakes and bacon and I had my nieces around.

00:47:02.300 I got the phone call.

00:47:03.420 And, you know, I think that's what happened because it was a Sunday.

00:47:05.700 It was so it was so scripted.

00:47:07.500 It was so rehearsed.

00:47:08.500 Obviously not the truth.

00:47:10.040 OK, Blake, your your thoughts here further as we dive into this.

00:47:14.320 Yeah. So I seized on the same thing.

00:47:17.700 So I don't know if the details about bacon or pancakes or whatever are fake.

00:47:21.040 But what was really telling to me was Dana was bash was pushing at that specific.

00:47:26.580 What did you say on the call?

00:47:28.440 Did you ask for his endorsement?

00:47:30.580 Did he promise his endorsement?

00:47:32.200 And she was very evasive on that point.

00:47:35.100 She doesn't mention what he said on the call other than that he was dropping out.

00:47:39.080 Dana pushed that again. 0.99

00:47:40.060 She said and he says, did you did you ask for his endorsement?

00:47:42.960 She says he made it clear he was endorsing.

00:47:46.460 He was backing me and she pushes at it again. 1.00

00:47:50.640 What exactly did he say?

00:47:52.140 And Kamala pivots and says, oh, really, I was just I was thinking I was so worried about about Joe Biden.

00:47:57.260 That's where my my first thought was something was left out there.

00:48:01.460 Maybe we'll never know what it was.

00:48:02.920 But I like to believe people would detect something was being hidden there.

00:48:07.640 It was it's the sort of thing you'd see in a movie.

00:48:09.520 Like they'd be like, slow it down, play it again.

00:48:12.080 What she's she didn't mention something.

00:48:13.560 What was going on there?

00:48:14.900 The other thing I thought was funny in the later part of the interview is they throw two softballs at her.

00:48:20.500 They throw what you mentioned with her her niece or whoever it was in the photo.

00:48:24.500 It's fine.

00:48:25.040 And yeah, fine.

00:48:26.020 Whatever.

00:48:26.360 They put it at the end.

00:48:27.740 It's fine.

00:48:29.280 It's fine.

00:48:30.100 Yes, it's fine.

00:48:31.080 But they also threw that softball. 0.81

00:48:32.860 That was, you know, hey, Trump said those comments about your race where you're you were Indian and then black total softball to just get some hits on Trump.

00:48:41.860 And she doesn't take it.

00:48:42.880 She just says, oh, that's that's Trump being Trump again.

00:48:45.180 Next question.

00:48:46.420 I think what we were seeing there is her campaign.

00:48:49.420 Her advisers say, look, we're pivoting hard to the middle.

00:48:53.160 We've seen her pivot on an electric vehicle mandate.

00:48:56.300 She's pivoted on fracking.

00:48:57.700 She's pivoting on the border.

00:49:00.660 Now she says she wants a wall.

00:49:02.240 And I think one of the things they said is, look, they don't want any identity politics stuff front and center.

00:49:09.940 Basically, don't talk about being a woman. 0.98

00:49:12.860 Don't talk about your racial stuff.

00:49:14.460 It's going to put off moderate somehow.

00:49:16.060 I think like she only maybe even over learned that and they're just like, nope, don't talk about it.

00:49:21.240 And I guess we'll see whether it's a good strategy or not.

00:49:23.680 But it was it was very glaring how much she was staying away from that compared to what we would have seen in 2020, what her own campaign did in 2020, 2016 or a lot of other Democrat elections in recent history.

00:49:38.940 Jack, we have Tyler.

00:49:40.040 Tyler, did you catch any part of the interview here?

00:49:43.700 Pieces, bits and pieces as I was going along.

00:49:45.640 I was watching that.

00:49:46.420 I was watching the text come through.

00:49:49.540 It was it's I think I think this version of Kamala is boring.

00:49:55.060 They're trying to make her boring. 1.00

00:49:56.680 I don't I'm not sure we want excited.

00:49:58.820 They're trying to make sure America is ready for it.

00:50:00.580 They're trying to make they're trying to make they're trying to they're trying to make her palatable for boomers. 1.00

00:50:04.820 This is pure boomer programming.

00:50:07.760 Can a boomer be OK with her as president? 1.00

00:50:10.040 That's what this is.

00:50:11.200 I mean, and it's true.

00:50:12.000 I mean, you look at the numbers from the polling, you know, she's she's doing awful with men across the board, but best with older men.

00:50:21.180 Which is mind numbing to me like it's just nine.

00:50:26.700 It's mind numbing to me because it was all the male demos.

00:50:31.600 It's boomer men.

00:50:32.360 But it's pretty consistent if you actually break down the polls and and they're trying to hide all the other inadequacies and they're really hoping that younger men don't turn out as well, which is not the trend.

00:50:48.180 I mean, I mean, I mean, I don't know if it's going to be the trend or not, but I mean, this is why we have to turn out as many young men as possible.

00:50:56.060 But the reality is, this is like it's so mind numbing to me, because if you live through the Tea Party era, old men like we're the most vicious against Obama and that entire regime and everything else.

00:51:09.860 And it's just like it's it's like almost like we're living in an alternate universe or it's like they're totally falling for everything.

00:51:18.120 And I just can't understand this, Charlie.

00:51:20.940 I really don't.

00:51:21.820 When I watch this and I read this and we're witnessing this like slow train wreck with this, it's like, how is it possible that older people within the Republican Party in particular, but older independents could potentially be totally duped by this?

00:51:37.460 Like, I just don't I don't I just don't get it because I'm watching it and it's not easy.

00:51:41.780 There's so one sec, Jack, I call them white noise boomers and basically they have they have the television on all day long and it's white noise and Democrats dominate on white noise. 0.58

00:51:52.980 They run more ads.

00:51:54.340 They control more local TV.

00:51:55.900 Yeah, no, it's just it's called white noise boomers. 0.52

00:51:57.620 Right.

00:51:58.180 And nothing against them, but it's just the the the the the companion they have in the house is cable television and they watch CNN.

00:52:07.460 They watch MSNBC.

00:52:08.480 They watch local TV.

00:52:09.260 Jack, your thoughts.

00:52:11.060 Yeah.

00:52:11.240 So my thought on that is that also the when it comes to polling.

00:52:16.040 Right.

00:52:16.280 So when it comes to the type of polls that you get, who are the people that are more likely to want to answer a poll than people who aren't?

00:52:24.460 Well, the people who are more likely are what Charlie's just talking about, these white noisers, that a white noiser is 10 times more likely to want to pick up that phone, to tell the pollster how much they hate Donald Trump. 0.53

00:52:34.780 They see this guy's the worst. 0.98

00:52:36.260 Oh, he's terrible.

00:52:37.160 These are the people who have the signs, the yard signs.

00:52:39.960 You know, hate has no home in this house, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:42.440 Refugees welcome all the all those other things.

00:52:45.140 Whereas when you've got a Trump supporter, they don't want to answer the phones when they hear that somebody from the media.

00:52:50.580 Now, I was talking about some of my show earlier, but when it's me, I love because, you know, I have a Pennsylvania number.

00:52:56.020 So I'm always getting called and pulled all the time.

00:52:59.360 And I constantly just make up like all sorts of random things to tell them.

00:53:03.820 I just answer things all over the place because I love screwing with pollstered data.

00:53:08.620 And, you know, look, the average Trump supporter is nowhere going to be at the same rate of response that your white noiser that Charlie is talking about is specifically in that age demographic.

00:53:19.800 And that I'm not going to say there's a ton of that, but I am saying that it's something to look out for.

00:53:23.820 Like I'm looking now, I'm looking at more of the reaction on Twitter and something that's been pointed out, interestingly, is Kamala seems really afraid.

00:53:37.080 She's got that problem of can she split from Joe Biden on anything? 0.98

00:53:41.340 Joe Biden's a really unpopular president.

00:53:43.320 It's a really unpopular administration.

00:53:45.160 Yet she's really struggled to answer.

00:53:46.900 What would you do differently?

00:53:48.320 And what's been I'm seeing posted here from Zaid Jelani, who's kind of a dissident left winger guy on Twitter.

00:53:55.260 And he pointed out in night in 2000, Al Gore actually had a pretty good answer to this question where they said, will this just be a third Clinton Gore term?

00:54:04.360 He probably should have said, yes, Clinton was a lot more popular than Biden was.

00:54:08.300 But he said, no, we're different people.

00:54:10.560 We have different challenges.

00:54:11.740 I would do things differently.

00:54:14.820 And he was able to say that like clear cut.

00:54:17.000 And Kamala is very afraid to do that. 0.95

00:54:19.240 And I kind of wonder if one of the reasons is she just doesn't actually have a good answer to that question.

00:54:24.900 What would she do differently?

00:54:26.600 It's just like when she answers, what would you do on day one?

00:54:29.700 Kamala is not actually a policy person.

00:54:32.320 She doesn't have strong ideas on what to do. 0.67

00:54:34.680 So she can't organically off the cuff talk about things she would do as president. 1.00

00:54:39.960 She is an empty suit.

00:54:41.660 She's a nervous wreck.

00:54:43.780 And they're literally just there.

00:54:46.020 They've stuck her in there because she's the only option they had.

00:54:49.080 And they're hanging on for dear life.

00:54:51.320 They're just trying to get through the election.

00:54:53.640 It's like that old Robert Redford movie, The Candidate, where the guy runs for Senate.

00:54:58.320 He wins.

00:54:59.140 And the final scene is him turning to, I think, his campaign manager and saying, what do we do now?

00:55:04.620 And I think that's what we'd be with with Kamala.

00:55:07.420 If they somehow, God forbid, win this election, they turn to each other and say, what do we do now?

00:55:13.380 We're holding the hot potato for four years and we have president empty, empty pantsuit.

00:55:20.260 And that's what they've got.

00:55:21.980 I want to go into this.

00:55:22.900 So, Blake, you sent a message today, something about how Trump should zero in on her nerves, saying that Kamala is nervous.

00:55:30.200 She should be.

00:55:31.280 She's a nervous wreck trying to almost play into her anxiety.

00:55:34.400 She's obviously on anxiety medication, whether it be benzodiazepines or she's on Xanax or Val.

00:55:40.820 There's something that she's taken because she can't handle the pressure.

00:55:44.520 Framing her as a nervous wreck.

00:55:46.340 That's why she does the nervous laugh.

00:55:48.800 That's probably why she drinks so much, to calm her nerves.

00:55:52.100 Walk us through that, Blake, the need to frame her or the benefit of framing her as a nervous wreck.

00:55:58.260 Yeah, sure, Charlie.

00:55:59.320 So, it's one of those things, once you're looking for it, you start to see it all the time.

00:56:03.620 Her kind of wacky hand movements, her nervous laugh.

00:56:07.520 She has a strange laugh that they actually have had to coach her to use less.

00:56:13.040 Sort of her nervous smile.

00:56:14.700 She has this way of carrying herself that's indicative of a person who's, like, a little lower in confidence, is nervous.

00:56:23.960 You never see Trump do any of these things because Trump, whatever his other traits, is a supremely self-confident individual.

00:56:30.980 He never does these things.

00:56:34.420 And so, you can see she's kind of got that imposter syndrome is a term we've used before.

00:56:40.940 Again, she's a nervous person.

00:56:42.720 This also shows through in the stories about her staff.

00:56:45.320 She's a bad boss. 1.00

00:56:46.680 She sort of bullies people under her, treats them badly. 1.00

00:56:49.340 This, again, is a sign of a person.

00:56:51.200 They're nervous.

00:56:51.880 They're not secure in their position.

00:56:54.140 They're, when things go wrong, they're kind of, like, looking at other people to blame for their problems.

00:56:59.660 They scream at them.

00:57:01.140 Good leaders tend to, good self-confident leaders have good staffs beneath them.

00:57:05.800 It just, it flows out of how they are as a person.

00:57:08.100 So, anyway, once you've known this, it explains so many of the things Kamala has to do.

00:57:12.940 She can't do interviews because she'll freeze up in the interviews. 1.00

00:57:17.160 This is why she's so awkward in unscripted situations.

00:57:20.220 If she's put on the spot, she's worried about screwing up, and she kind of starts screwing up.

00:57:26.680 I think we could see that with, you know, the day one answer.

00:57:29.460 She doesn't have a good answer to this question.

00:57:31.480 She's trying to just word salad her way out of it. 1.00

00:57:34.280 So, anyway, I just think, as we were discussing, pointing this out is probably a good way to actually make it worse.

00:57:42.960 It's like once you send the message, we're aware of what your weakness is, Kamala.

00:57:47.420 Your problem is you're nervous.

00:57:48.640 Your problem is when you start talking, you screw it up.

00:57:51.000 And it's good in two ways.

00:57:53.180 One, the only way you can really rebut this is by giving more interviews and showing yourself more to prove that it's wrong.

00:57:59.020 And I think we have had more than enough evidence at this point that if she's doing that, it'll go not great for her.

00:58:06.260 At best, it'll be break even.

00:58:07.860 Very likely she'll look bad.

00:58:09.480 And there's a big chance she'll say something super embarrassing and damage her campaign.

00:58:13.660 Or she just avoids doing that, and she continues to avoid doing interviews, avoid doing unscripted things, won't do a press conference.

00:58:23.440 And now we have a ready-made reason.

00:58:26.640 Oh, it's nervous Kamala again, hiding away, can't stand up for herself, can't explain what she really thinks.

00:58:33.120 And I think this could be the skeleton key to attack Kamala in a slightly more personal way without going after her personal life in a way that I think we agree is probably not the best way to damage Kamala.

00:58:46.060 It'll just kind of be thrown back at us.

00:58:48.740 So you want a way to needle her without making it overtly personal in a way that puts off voters.

00:58:57.820 Jack, let's play some tape here.

00:58:59.500 Let's kind of refresh the audience of what happened tonight.

00:59:02.600 Let's play cut 147 to kind of jog our memory.

00:59:04.800 Play cut 147.

00:59:06.360 If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House?

00:59:10.340 Well, there are a number of things.

00:59:13.260 I will tell you, first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.

00:59:22.560 When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people, I think that people are ready for a new way forward.

00:59:34.240 In a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.

00:59:42.080 I think, sadly, in the last decade, we have had in the former president someone who has really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the character and the strength of who we are as Americans.

01:00:01.240 Americans, really dividing our nation. 0.63

01:00:05.680 And I think people are ready to turn the page on that.

01:00:09.900 What did she just say?

01:00:11.220 Now, obviously, I'm a Trump guy.

01:00:13.040 Can somebody tell me what the heck she just said? 0.69

01:00:15.580 The question is, what are you going to do on day one?

01:00:17.040 And she's talking about turning the page.

01:00:18.420 You're the vice president of the United States.

01:00:20.260 Don't talk about turning the page and she's scratching her chin and she's like, does she have staff? 0.58

01:00:24.640 Have you prepared, Kamala?

01:00:25.960 Have you done any work?

01:00:27.360 I mean, how do we go from what are you going to do on day one to people are going to turn the page?

01:00:31.040 You have one job.

01:00:33.380 Tell us what you're going to do on day one.

01:00:34.960 Rebuild the middle class.

01:00:35.980 That doesn't mean anything, okay?

01:00:37.260 You're currently the vice president.

01:00:39.380 And by the way, I don't know.

01:00:40.640 She's not getting enough sleep.

01:00:41.760 She looks rough.

01:00:42.460 Jack, what's going on here?

01:00:44.220 Well, what's going on here, Charlie, is that she needs a MyPillow.

01:00:48.060 I know Mike Lindell was there at the DNC last week.

01:00:51.220 You know, he was in disguise.

01:00:52.680 He disguised himself like he's had the Roger Stone hat and shaved his mustache.

01:00:55.900 But, you know, he was offering MyPillows to Democrats there.

01:01:00.320 And I think she really should have taken him up on that.

01:01:01.900 No, this is the kind of question.

01:01:03.440 And by the way, Charlie, the kind of question, what would you do on day one?

01:01:06.360 This isn't just a layup, right?

01:01:08.480 First of all, this is the obvious question that's always going to get asked on one of these issues.

01:01:11.540 But this question is actually beneficial to the candidate because when you are – this is like political consulting 101, folks.

01:01:21.540 When you are working with a candidate, and your candidate is going into an interview, and I've worked on a lot of campaigns, the first thing you do is you say whatever questions they have, whatever the scandals they bring up, whatever stuff they have in the news, bring it back to your message.

01:01:33.980 Bring it back to what you're going to do.

01:01:35.460 Bring it back to what your policies are.

01:01:36.980 So you have to have something to say when they ask you what your policies are.

01:01:43.520 Donald Trump, day one, he'll have 15 things off the top of his head, and he'll probably come up with like three more just in the middle of the questions.

01:01:50.240 I'm going to do this.

01:01:50.860 I'm going to do this.

01:01:51.300 I'm going to do this.

01:01:51.720 I'm going to do so many things on day one.

01:01:52.640 Your head's going to spin.

01:01:53.560 She's sitting there going, oh, and as you say, she's looking around, her body language.

01:01:58.160 So what you're talking about –

01:02:00.120 She's even worse than that. 0.98

01:02:01.080 She somehow turned a question on day one into Donald Trump.

01:02:05.860 She somehow turned it, Jack.

01:02:08.420 It's unbelievable.

01:02:09.480 Yeah.

01:02:10.160 So, Charlie, by the way, what you're referring to is a cluster gesture.

01:02:13.820 So when I was at Guantanamo and I was in the interrogation cell, one of the things that we learned about down there and that we would look at for detainees was a cluster gesture.

01:02:22.940 So you mentioned that she put her hand to her face.

01:02:25.800 Look, people do that on occasion.

01:02:28.000 People – you might have a scratch.

01:02:29.300 Okay, you might have a scratch.

01:02:30.100 But when you start seeing multiple elements of gestures that are put into place all at once that occur very rapidly, we're talking micro expression, the hand to the face, the looking down, the looking away, the hunting of the shoulder.

01:02:43.660 She actually shrinks.

01:02:44.980 Like she's shrinking.

01:02:45.840 She's terrified.

01:02:46.520 So anxiety, the fear, the things that Blake was talking about, it's all there.

01:02:50.880 It's all exhibited in this cluster gesture.

01:02:54.000 And so – and of course, by the way, unfortunately or whatever it is, the medium of television means that the camera is going to be zoomed in on your face.

01:03:04.260 And so, Charlie, you and I know about this every single day.

01:03:06.920 That's our line of business.

01:03:07.680 And, you know, you know that whatever expression you make, it's going to be picked apart by a million people that are watching it.

01:03:13.860 So you're constantly thinking about it.

01:03:15.420 You and I aren't running for office.

01:03:16.880 I don't believe either of us have ever run for office.

01:03:19.140 And so you'd think that anyone running in the modern era would know about these things.

01:03:22.880 I mean how many interviews has she done in her life?

01:03:25.140 And this feels like – it felt like she was in her very first interview and Dana Bash was trying very hard – excuse me, Dana Bash was trying very hard to hold her hand on this.

01:03:34.500 And she still was anxious.

01:03:36.700 By the way, Blake, one of the stories have – and I think we told it on here on ThoughtCrime maybe a week or two ago.

01:03:43.160 But about the time where she was going to go to some – it was like an ambassador's dinner or something, some kind of social function.

01:03:49.800 And she was so anxious about going to this function that she had her entire staff go and create like a dummy function that she could go to where they were role-playing different people at –

01:04:04.440 it was just like a cocktail reception at somebody's house.

01:04:07.900 And she like had little – and her staff created little scripts and she had to like navigate the room. 0.99

01:04:12.860 And this is how you act like a regular human person, Kambala, a human person.

01:04:18.340 And it's – I mean this is someone with those kind of nerves – and this is obviously something that President Trump can dig into.

01:04:25.860 It's how do you have someone who's that nervous, who's that insecure, who lacks that much confidence being the leader of the most powerful nation in the world? 0.96

01:04:36.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

01:04:37.440 It's insane. 0.99

01:04:38.080 And you're honestly treating the American people as infantile for even suggesting it.

01:04:46.380 Blake, tell us that story of how she had to kind of pre-rehearse a meeting.

01:04:51.580 Give me a second.

01:04:52.720 I'll look it up.

01:04:53.320 You can check on the score.

01:04:54.740 Is NDSU still beating Colorado?

01:04:56.560 We've got to stand up for the Colorado.

01:04:58.820 There is no defense being played here, by the way.

01:05:02.760 They might as well just play seven on seven at this point.

01:05:05.080 And I'm actively cheering against Deion Sanders, for the record.

01:05:11.400 Here's something I want to say as well because this is similar to what we saw last week on – with the nomination.

01:05:17.320 Because there's going to be people who say – and I saw this, Charlie.

01:05:19.640 I saw this in our comments.

01:05:20.520 They said, oh, you and Charlie are coping.

01:05:22.640 You know, you guys are – it wasn't that bad.

01:05:24.920 I said, guys, this was mid, okay?

01:05:27.680 You have to understand you're running for the presidency of the United States.

01:05:31.020 Mid is not good enough.

01:05:32.420 If that's your best, then your best ain't good enough.

01:05:35.640 It's like you're just talking about in sports.

01:05:38.420 If you want to go to the professional level, if you want to play elite-level sports, then you need to be at the elite level.

01:05:45.480 This was not that.

01:05:46.700 They said, oh, well, she kind of – no, she got through it.

01:05:48.580 She didn't have a train wreck.

01:05:49.740 No, but didn't have a train wreck.

01:05:51.280 She, like, barely made it on base if she made it on base anywhere in that interview.

01:05:55.900 I know I'm not – I'm not making any lewd references.

01:05:58.360 But what I'm saying is that that was not the level of anything you needed for running for the president of the United States, the same as her nomination.

01:06:05.640 It was boring.

01:06:06.500 There were – by the way, no breakout lines, no breakout moments.

01:06:10.460 It didn't sound like they had anything – you know how, like, politicians will have those sort of pre-planned, like, and on day one we're going to do this.

01:06:16.920 And we have the politics of disaster.

01:06:19.200 We need the politics of success.

01:06:20.700 Whatever.

01:06:21.600 There was none of that.

01:06:22.640 There was just none of that throughout the entire time she was in response mode.

01:06:26.100 It didn't seem planned.

01:06:27.400 It felt rushed.

01:06:28.000 It was not presidential.

01:06:29.160 And so coming in mid, coming in mid, even though I'm not saying it was like a personal disaster, which, by the way, the rally had a lot of personal disasters, if you want to talk about those earlier in the evening.

01:06:39.640 And I'm sure we'll get to those clips.

01:06:41.700 But, yeah, mid is not good enough.

01:06:43.380 No way.

01:06:44.180 All right.

01:06:44.500 I got it, Charlie.

01:06:45.320 I got it.

01:06:45.960 So this is from Axios.

01:06:47.380 They reported it just after she joined the race.

01:06:50.340 In April 2022, Harris was the guest for a dinner at D.C. news mogul David Bradley's home, a salon-style event Bradley hosts with Washington journalists and newsmakers.

01:07:02.700 So at this point, Kamala is already the vice president of the United States.

01:07:06.740 And this is not a high-stakes summit.

01:07:09.380 This is not nuclear tensions with Iran or Russia or whatever.

01:07:13.180 This is meeting journalists at a guy's house in D.C.

01:07:17.720 And it says here from Axios, quote, Harris's anxiety about the dinner was such that her staff held a mock dinner beforehand with staffers playing participants, according to two people familiar with the event.

01:07:33.380 Harris aides even considered including wine in the mock prep so Harris could practice with a glass or two.

01:07:40.940 They ultimately decided against it.

01:07:44.000 She was already three drinks deep when she got to the practice.

01:07:49.940 If she wins, it will be like our first sitcom character elected as president. 1.00

01:07:54.540 It'll be really not good.

01:07:56.660 Can we just, can we, there was so much talk last time about having Joe Biden do a drug test.

01:08:01.300 Can we have Kamala Harris do a drug test? 1.00

01:08:02.820 We should know what anti-anxiety medication Kamala Harris has done. 1.00

01:08:06.320 And is she, what kind of Chardonnay and what kind of wine is she mixing it with? 0.74

01:08:11.680 It's a national security risk.

01:08:13.320 Nervous Kamala, antsy Kamala.

01:08:15.300 Maybe that's the, maybe that's the nickname Trump's going to have to use.

01:08:18.280 My biggest takeaway from that is you can't practice with two glasses if you've already had three.

01:08:22.580 So that's, I feel like that's the unstated thing.

01:08:25.460 They're like, look, she gets sloshed enough if we have two practice glasses and then this is right before the dinner. 0.76

01:08:30.940 So if she just goes from there to the dinner, oh boy, I think that the big thing, and I don't know if we want to discuss this at length, but I mean, just visually watching this, her being in like the back of the table, just slouched back and just leaning back like this.

01:08:49.000 I thought it was terrible.

01:08:50.140 It was like, this was what she looked like the whole time.

01:08:52.760 And then you had, you know, Timmy over there, just like this, like on the side of the, I mean, if you look at the, that, that frame, it's like the weirdest scenario.

01:09:04.780 Like, I don't just, I can't believe they picked that to like frame that because they're, the Democrats are just so terrible at framing between Biden looking like Adolf Hitler in that one, you know, you would, you would think that they're good at it.

01:09:20.740 Let's, let's, let's, it's insane.

01:09:23.700 Let's play cut 148.

01:09:26.340 Let's play cut 148.

01:09:27.680 The visuals of this were awful.

01:09:29.120 It was as if they were in a cafeteria or some sort of dimly lit back room.

01:09:33.160 It was very bizarre.

01:09:34.240 Play cut 148.

01:09:35.940 You have been vice president for three and a half years.

01:09:39.140 The steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?

01:09:43.940 Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy and we have done that.

01:09:47.840 And I'm very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%.

01:09:52.460 The work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors.

01:09:57.440 Donald Trump said he was going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

01:10:01.820 Never happened.

01:10:02.980 We did it.

01:10:05.840 Like Tim, Tim Waltz, it looks like he looks massive.

01:10:11.060 He looks like, uh, what's his name from McDonald's?

01:10:16.080 Big purple guy.

01:10:17.160 What is it?

01:10:18.360 Grimace.

01:10:19.120 Grimace.

01:10:19.400 He's like Grimace size in the corner.

01:10:21.700 And you've got her like Hamburglar back there. 1.00

01:10:24.500 Just like literally at the back of the frame in the dark, just kind of just like sliding with her big shoulder pads too.

01:10:31.660 Who thought that visual was a good idea?

01:10:34.440 She looks like she's drowning in her jacket too.

01:10:37.020 And she's like, you mentioned it, Charlie.

01:10:39.060 She hasn't drank in probably two days in prep for this.

01:10:42.640 So you can see her face is just like, she's like, she's starting to just like shake a little bit because she needs vodka. 0.99

01:10:49.860 And, you know, it's just like this whole thing.

01:10:52.440 This is, and Grimace up here.

01:10:53.920 Look at Grimace.

01:10:54.820 I mean, he's huge and he's like doing nothing the whole time.

01:10:57.820 And she just keeps getting interacted with, and I missed the waltz parts, but like she just like, she just like slouches way back and looks almost like kind of like a weird hamburger mobster in the back. 1.00

01:11:12.580 That's all I could think about the whole time.

01:11:14.080 I don't know.

01:11:15.220 I'm going to sit like this for the rest of the time.

01:11:17.200 You've got, you've got like a deep knowledge of McDonald's lore.

01:11:20.760 Well, Grimace became famous again last year because they did that whole shake thing.

01:11:26.940 So it's just like on the psyche and, and Jack posted about how we, yeah, I had a tweet earlier this, this week that went like pretty viral actually.

01:11:35.540 Cause I was just doing a riff on like things that Trump is going to bring back from the eighties and nineties.

01:11:40.400 And, um, I, I found one that not a lot of people talk about, which we've got to try if the, uh, if the guys want to try to get the photo of the original McDonald's playground.

01:11:51.120 And I don't, uh, I, I'm like, Charlie's like, what are you talking about?

01:11:54.760 So, and he's like, I, when I was a child, I didn't play, I did arithmetic, um, and studied dead languages.

01:12:00.940 Um, Charlie's from the backyard of where McDonald's was like started.

01:12:05.760 It's true.

01:12:06.740 And that, no, I know that's why I never went though.

01:12:09.360 So I didn't go, but, but so the old, the old playground had like the, um, it was the Hamburglar prison that you would climb into.

01:12:16.860 And it had like the metal slide and just so much really cool stuff.

01:12:22.060 And I think I unlocked a lot of, uh, a lot of core memories, but it, it also goes back to what I was talking about with the pizza hut nationalism thing.

01:12:28.860 And this idea that, you know, we used to have a world that was, we'd have a country that was just very welcoming towards children.

01:12:34.880 That was very open towards children.

01:12:36.920 And, um, you know, this is kind of one of the things that gets into, you know, all these questions about like, like fertility and abortion and IVF.

01:12:46.120 And these are all like these big, you know, third rail topics that are coming up today and over the past couple of days.

01:12:50.440 But it, I think a huge part of it is that we just used to have a country that was much more open to having children and a, and normalizing the idea of children being around at a regular time.

01:13:01.960 It was much more family oriented country.

01:13:03.900 And now all of that's been pushed aside and it's leading to all these other issues.

01:13:10.920 Let's play another piece of tape here.

01:13:12.880 Let's see what CNN is saying afterwards.

01:13:15.900 Um, let's go to one 55 here.

01:13:18.840 Now you might not like the way she answered him, but she answered him as a capable, qualified leader.

01:13:24.300 And I do think she, I think she moved the ball forward a little bit, you know, maybe she didn't score a touchdown.

01:13:32.280 Yeah, it's really insightful.

01:13:33.600 Let's play cut one 54 now.

01:13:37.340 Let's not be mistaken.

01:13:38.760 I mean, Donald Trump is tall and very loud.

01:13:42.000 Yes.

01:13:42.320 And he is very persistent.

01:13:43.900 It's not going to be so easy to just say, okay, let's move on.

01:13:46.740 He's going to be right there.

01:13:47.680 Yes, but I think you have to play.

01:13:51.800 So they're, uh, they're trying to, uh, they're trying to figure out exactly how to prepare Kamala Harris for the debate.

01:14:00.280 Tyler, based on what we saw here, I don't think this debate is going to go very well for her.

01:14:04.560 She's not going to have an emotional support animal.

01:14:06.060 She's not going to have notes.

01:14:07.180 I mean, it's kind of, it was kind of weak in some ways in right wing circles.

01:14:10.820 We said, oh, she's not good at talk. 1.00

01:14:12.320 Like she's actually really bad at this.

01:14:14.320 She's a nervous wreck.

01:14:15.820 She's not equipped to be vice president, let alone president of the United States. 1.00

01:14:19.620 Tyler, tell us more.

01:14:21.140 Yeah.

01:14:21.580 I mean, this is all I could think about the entire time they were looking at this was what did we not see?

01:14:27.900 And because this is edited and I know we've covered that a couple of times here, but this is edited.

01:14:33.280 What was not here is the most interesting, you know, indicator of what this debate is going to look like, especially this first one.

01:14:42.000 And I mean, I'm excited.

01:14:44.860 I mean, I've always been excited for this because we know the same way that we knew that Joe Biden could not form sentences.

01:14:51.740 We know that Kamala is not going to be able to maintain her composure.

01:14:54.940 She's not going to be able to handle herself.

01:14:57.120 Like I said, I really do believe in that.

01:14:59.180 I'm not joking when I say this is that they probably Adderall her up, you know, said you can't drink for a few days or I don't know.

01:15:07.340 You know, remember Obama smoked and all that stuff and it chilled his nerves and, you know, they just handle you, handle yourself differently when you get head into these situations.

01:15:16.700 This is not a good lead up, run up practice, if you will, for what the debate is going to look like if you're her team.

01:15:25.520 And I can only imagine the inside, you know, NBA stuff that's going on over in Kamala camp.

01:15:32.780 And I hope someday it ends up in a book that we all get to read.

01:15:37.680 But, you know, after a loss, a Kamala loss.

01:15:40.980 But this is going to be a very, very interesting scenario that pops out here.

01:15:47.200 And if anybody had any kind of journalistic integrity over in that camp, Donna and anyone else, you know, there would be some demands here that all this would get played.

01:15:59.860 And that the transcript would be released and that we would see the place, the uncut version of this, at least online.

01:16:07.100 But we know they'll never do that.

01:16:10.060 Speaking of the debates, I think we've actually had some interesting stuff this week that I think is it's alluding to how the debate might go.

01:16:17.760 We had this sudden push from the Kamala camp to change the debate rules.

01:16:22.140 So for everyone who's forgotten the rules back in June at basically the request of the Biden campaign, where mics are muted when you're not talking and you can't bring notes into it.

01:16:35.540 You can make notes during it and there will be no studio audience.

01:16:39.100 And that's kind of Trump basically agreed to it because he said, I'll debate wherever, whatever you want.

01:16:44.100 And then the Kamala camp is saying, can we change this?

01:16:47.700 Can we actually turn the mics back on?

01:16:49.620 And then the other request they made, which I think didn't get as much attention as it should have, was she asked, can we, one, make opening statements?

01:16:56.440 And two, can we bring prepared notes as well as making notes during the debate itself?

01:17:02.240 And what that's communicating to me is that they, as we saw here, they're not confident when Kamala has to think off the cuff, has to respond to something that she's unprepared for.

01:17:13.420 So what they wanted is they wanted the mics on.

01:17:16.380 They wanted the mics on because they thought that they could kind of, you know, maybe Trump would try to interrupt her or she could try to interrupt Trump.

01:17:25.420 But I think they just count on Trump doing it.

01:17:27.460 And then, you know, you can make it all personal and bitter and they'll go back and forth on this.

01:17:32.340 And the other thing is they want to make it as prepared and scripted as possible.

01:17:37.260 If she can bring in notes and they can make an opening statement, she can give some three or four minute opening statement.

01:17:44.160 Some people will turn off the debate after the opening statements already.

01:17:47.480 And she can have all these like little prepared lines.

01:17:50.320 So, OK, if they ask you about abortion, say this.

01:17:52.420 If they ask you about the border, say this.

01:17:54.380 You know, if she comes in with 15, 20 canned lines, she can get out as many of those as she can.

01:17:59.620 Her only good debate moment in the primaries in 2019 was an obviously scripted, oh, that little girl was me. 0.96

01:18:05.900 Joe Biden's a racist. 0.64

01:18:07.060 That was the only good moment she had. 0.97

01:18:08.820 It was obviously scripted, not made up off the cuff.

01:18:11.880 We are seeing over and over Kamala is telling this, telling us this.

01:18:17.980 Her body language is telling us this.

01:18:19.520 Her campaign strategic decisions are telling us this.

01:18:22.220 How she engages the media.

01:18:23.740 It's all screaming at us.

01:18:25.680 Kamala is not prepared for this, is not ready for this.

01:18:30.560 And they need to cover this up and conceal it by scripting everything as much as possible.

01:18:37.000 You know, and I was really surprised and this was, you know, in the lead up to the debate as well. 1.00

01:18:47.180 I was actually shocked they didn't spend more time on really stupid, stupid stuff. 0.98

01:18:52.800 I thought there was actually some decent questions mixed in there that aired, you know, who knows what didn't air. 0.99

01:18:58.720 But, you know, there is the pieces that were aired where, you know, well, you know, you are the incumbent and, you know, what are you doing?

01:19:08.020 And, you know, I was kind of shocked that that actually got asked because I didn't think any of that was going to get asked.

01:19:12.380 So that's that's a that's a white pill moment for a second, because I think that that was that added to the tenseness of everything.

01:19:19.660 But I was really surprised there wasn't more, you know, you know, Green New Deal type stuff like adjacent stuff and just talking more about abortion.

01:19:31.220 And, you know, the question got brought up about, you know, Kamala being black.

01:19:36.320 Yeah. And if they're not being black or whatever, because, you know, there's that debate that's going on in society.

01:19:42.380 I think most in the black community, honestly, more than anything else.

01:19:45.400 I think that's where we discussed it. She didn't answer. She didn't take the debate.

01:19:49.200 She didn't answer, which I don't know if maybe that added to the part of the problem, you know, for like they expected to spend like, I don't know, 20 minutes on that or something.

01:19:57.580 And they did not send an entire segment on it. But, you know, I think that it really tees up.

01:20:03.620 I think this interview actually tees up the debate properly because, you know, of course, they're going to ask some of these stupid things. 0.90

01:20:11.800 But I think what this tells us is that they know even, you know, the MSNBC, CNN types know that America doesn't care about that stuff. 0.56

01:20:20.680 So they're trying to make her look as, you know, rational, reasonable, you know, try to talk about the things.

01:20:26.940 Obviously, she came out with like the build the wall policy this week and everything else. 0.98

01:20:30.840 They're just like she's just trying to copy Trump. And that's a sign of desperation.

01:20:34.500 Charlie tweeted today, you know, talk about putting Republicans in her cabinet. 0.98

01:20:37.700 That's a sign of desperation. They're running with this whole Republicans for Harris thing.

01:20:41.240 One hundred. That's desperation. They see the data. And let's just red pill everybody.

01:20:46.520 I'm not saying we're going to win, but Blake will even agree that the data is much better than it was two weeks ago.

01:20:52.260 Nate Silver agrees like the data is nowhere near where it was in the honeymoon sugar high two weeks ago.

01:20:57.080 It's changing. It's normalizing. And who wants to interject there?

01:21:00.880 Well, I was just going to say, Charlie, it's the data isn't just better.

01:21:05.200 They're having to shift. I think it's even better than the better that we're seeing because they're having to play catch up with the shifting polls, too, on things like some of the polling that we're seeing is really oversampling Democrats still.

01:21:19.780 You know, and as we get closer to the election, I think we kind of anticipated that based off of previous elections.

01:21:26.520 But and again, you know, you could ask big data polling big, you know, and other guys this.

01:21:31.940 But like, look, you with Rick. Yeah.

01:21:34.320 With with Barris. But you I mean, I would I would I was expecting less of that to happen the closer we get to the election.

01:21:41.680 I mean, we're effectively a month out from early ballots. Right.

01:21:45.460 So the election weeks in North Carolina. Yeah.

01:21:48.260 Two weeks in North Carolina. And and I think ballots went out yesterday in New York.

01:21:52.880 But, you know, this is a and I'm joking, but this is a real ending of the thing.

01:21:59.220 And, you know, there I would argue even some of the polls I saw today were worse than some of the ones that we saw before.

01:22:05.520 What one that came out today, you know, we were looking at it and identifying it.

01:22:11.980 It had only one percent of the Democrats that polled voting for Trump.

01:22:16.760 Well, that in no real world and no swing state is that happening.

01:22:20.300 And it's that it is certainly not indicative of nationwide polling of everything that we're seeing everywhere else.

01:22:26.880 So that that's really bad, because even the worst polls and some of these non-ideal polls,

01:22:33.860 they're shifting. And I think that some of that is is because they're just trying to keep up this this charade.

01:22:41.020 And, you know, I think that some of the pollsters are in on it, whether they intend to be or not.

01:22:49.900 Let's play. Let's play cut 106. This is Mark Halperin, who this two days ago predicted.

01:22:54.720 And today we saw that some of the data Nate Silver now has Donald Trump with a 52 percent chance of winning.

01:23:00.640 Again, all this is subject to change. It goes up. It goes down.

01:23:02.760 And it's what we call the polar coaster. But interesting. Nonetheless, it's been a big movement.

01:23:07.920 Let's play cut 106. There's some public polling already.

01:23:11.220 There's more coming. And there's some private polling that suggests that nationally in the battleground states, she's not ahead.

01:23:20.180 She might be ahead on paper, but well within the margin of error.

01:23:23.580 And there's some battleground states now where I think Donald Trump's on this trajectory is going to be ahead.

01:23:29.000 And it may be, regardless of what happens in the interview and regardless what happens in the debate, it may be that by the middle of September, when things have calmed down, when the Trump campaign have had time to prey on some of the weaknesses that I suggested, that he's ahead in all the sunbelt states.

01:23:47.320 And ahead in Pennsylvania and competitive in Michigan and Wisconsin, which would be roughly where Joe Biden was before the debate.

01:23:57.300 With a single path to 270 electoral votes, the three Great Lakes states in Nebraska, too.

01:24:05.340 And that would be a scary position for the Democratic Party to be in from mid-September through Election Day.

01:24:12.680 Who wants to take that?

01:24:15.200 Yeah, I mean, look, what he's doing there is explaining that something that you've been hearing a few people in the media speak of already, what they're referring to as the blue mirage.

01:24:24.300 And the blue mirage, now, of course, this is a reference to what we were told all the way back in 2000, the red mirage of when they said, oh, Donald Trump's going to be up big prior to mail-in ballots coming in.

01:24:36.480 And then when mail-in ballots come in, it's going to tighten.

01:24:38.300 Now, we weren't told that it was going to absolutely fly up to another level.

01:24:41.680 But, of course, that's another story.

01:24:43.600 But the blue mirage now, what they're saying is, is kind of what we were talking about before, about this response bias in polls, talking about the fact that there's people who are giving this huge bounce.

01:24:53.240 There's a lot of people who have a sugar high after not so much the DNC itself, but actually just the dropping out of Joe Biden.

01:25:02.520 And what he's saying there is, of course, the blue mirage might just be all of this gaslighting.

01:25:06.920 He's being very careful about the way he says it, by the way.

01:25:09.480 He's saying, look, there's a lot of information out there to say the race is probably a lot closer than it looks.

01:25:14.900 And there are some indications that a few of these key swing states, one of which being my home state of Pennsylvania, might actually be closer to the Trump camp.

01:25:23.640 And, of course, one of the main things you have to look at in terms of this is the fundamentals.

01:25:28.040 The fundamentals have not changed between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

01:25:32.620 What's changed is that they have this sort of – they're offering this potential of – it's very Barack Obama.

01:25:37.740 So there's a potential for change.

01:25:40.100 But it's this really weird situation where she's trying to claim credit for the things that she believes are good that were under the Biden-Harris administration,

01:25:48.560 but at the same time also trying to position herself as a change candidate.

01:25:53.340 So she's trying to be the incumbent and the challenger at the same time. 1.00

01:25:58.420 And that dog don't hunt. 1.00

01:25:59.500 That is not going to work eventually.

01:26:01.080 And Donald Trump is going to slaughter her on those questions and all of these – he's going to heighten the contradictions in 12 days' time of that debate. 0.75

01:26:08.140 And she knows he's going to do it.

01:26:09.700 And that's another reason she's terrified.

01:26:11.560 Notice every – in her little – by the way, why is her chair so low? 1.00

01:26:14.580 But in her little chair there, every time they mention Trump, she kind of recoils.

01:26:19.500 Do you notice that?

01:26:20.200 They mention Trump, but she sort of – she recoils.

01:26:22.580 She gets the hunched shoulders.

01:26:23.600 She turtles.

01:26:24.660 You know, again, these cluster gestures that we see over and over.

01:26:27.660 She has no poker face.

01:26:28.920 And, you know, what can I say?

01:26:31.080 You know, using a lot of inebriating substances will do that, it said, according to studies.

01:26:38.880 So let me ask a question, which is, Blake, you are a resident Tim Walls critic.

01:26:46.160 Do you think that Tim Walls successfully navigated the attacks with a question about stolen valor, drunk driving, lying about fertility treatments, lying about basically everything?

01:26:56.820 Is that now water under the bridge?

01:26:59.120 Should Dana Bash follow it up more? 1.00

01:27:01.860 I think she should have pushed harder because the answer was, like, total BS.

01:27:06.500 First of all, on the National Guard thing, she only actually pushed on the carried weapons in war thing.

01:27:12.440 And I think that's carried a lot of it because people have talked about stolen valor.

01:27:17.700 Did he – like, it's the easiest thing to just say, oh, he maybe told a straight-up lie.

01:27:21.360 But by far the worst thing about Tim Walls' military stuff is not that.

01:27:26.220 It's that he was in his unit.

01:27:28.640 They were told they were deploying to Iraq.

01:27:30.500 And according to the statements of everyone who was around at the time who's gone on the record, Walls lied to his fellow soldiers.

01:27:37.820 He cut and ran.

01:27:39.180 He bailed out in a situation where people – the moral expectation was he should have served with his unit.

01:27:46.700 And instead, he lied to the person above him, according to that guy, went behind him.

01:27:51.760 She should have pushed harder on that.

01:27:53.660 And then also just the way he pivoted about it was very awkward.

01:27:58.820 He just says, you know, I'm so passionate about things.

01:28:01.800 And I get – you know, I get worked up when people attack my kids.

01:28:05.980 Walls, people were not attacking your kids.

01:28:08.200 They're attacking you.

01:28:09.780 He did a similar dodge with a DUI thing.

01:28:12.000 He says, I owned my mistakes.

01:28:13.840 She should have followed up immediately and said, you don't own your mistakes.

01:28:17.500 You had a DUI, and more than a decade later, you were lying about it and saying, you didn't have a DUI.

01:28:24.400 You actually just had a miscommunication with an officer because you're deaf.

01:28:29.100 Well, well, Tim Walls, that's not what you said in the court hearing, which we have the transcript of.

01:28:33.900 It's not what your breathalyzer test said.

01:28:36.640 There's all this evidence that you lied about this thing.

01:28:41.140 You would not take responsibility for it.

01:28:44.400 The other thing I wish he would have pushed at is – I wish someone would push at his actual tenure as governor of Minnesota.

01:28:51.140 We're supposed to take it as a given that he's at least been a good governor. 0.98

01:28:53.840 But no, he's a crappy governor. 0.95

01:28:56.280 He was the governor during the George Floyd riots. 0.97

01:28:58.680 He didn't call out the National Guard when the mayor of Minnesota – or of Minneapolis asked him to do it.

01:29:06.240 He let a police precinct get burned to the ground by Antifa.

01:29:11.580 He is the only governor in America who can really – we can definitively say he let an entire city in his state be taken over by an armed, violent mob.

01:29:23.140 He should be pushed at that.

01:29:24.220 I think Walls remains extremely vulnerable on his personal history, on his political history, and on all of the statements that he's made to the public.

01:29:35.040 And I don't know if that will be a big force in the overall election, but I certainly know the military stuff, the National Guard stuff, that has gotten a lot of play with the people that that is most interesting to,

01:29:45.880 which is veterans groups, current soldiers, they do hear about these things through their own networks.

01:29:51.560 And I have to believe that for a few of them, this will play a role in how they vote.

01:29:55.360 Well, and I want to point out something, just to remind everyone, remember back in 2000 when five days before the election,

01:30:03.200 the Democrats dropped that bomb on the George W. Bush DUI?

01:30:09.880 Do you remember this?

01:30:10.700 Mm-hmm.

01:30:11.660 I remember that.

01:30:12.420 The Dan Rather thing?

01:30:13.500 Oh, no, no.

01:30:13.960 Yeah, 2000, 2000, that's what it was.

01:30:15.880 Bush had a DUI, and it was like a big deal.

01:30:20.180 It took over the entire news cycle.

01:30:21.720 This was like days before the election in 2000.

01:30:26.120 This was the October surprise.

01:30:28.000 This was the big surprise.

01:30:29.220 It was like days before the election, because that's back when we used to vote on one day.

01:30:32.700 And so it was like literally just a few days before.

01:30:35.980 Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

01:30:37.980 That's like impossible.

01:30:39.020 It was, yeah, you can't do it.

01:30:40.560 You can't do it.

01:30:41.320 But the crazy part was, what did Bush do?

01:30:45.640 So it actually happened in Wisconsin.

01:30:47.560 He was campaigning in Wisconsin, and they come up to him, and they drop it.

01:30:53.580 And the reporter asks him and goes, hey, what do you have to say about this DUI? 0.97

01:30:58.140 And he's like, yeah, I made some dumb mistakes.

01:31:00.620 And he owned up to him immediately, without being prepared, knowing it was coming, anything at all.

01:31:06.880 And again, that's such a different position from this is versus Tim Waltz, who literally lies about everything.

01:31:15.660 He lies about everything.

01:31:17.260 Every major mess up that he's made in his life, he runs from, hides, paints it as a different picture.

01:31:25.620 You know, he's not an honest, regular dude in any kind of capacity.

01:31:30.220 So I just thought it was interesting, just comparing the two.

01:31:33.240 Yeah, because people remember that.

01:31:34.280 Let's play the Tim Walz convo here.

01:31:36.180 It's cut 151.

01:31:37.060 You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.

01:31:49.800 And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.

01:32:00.240 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

01:32:05.280 Well, I've been very public.

01:32:07.200 I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they do, they vouch for me.

01:32:13.040 I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.

01:32:15.380 The one thing I'll tell you is, I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.

01:32:21.420 What do your students have to do with IVF?

01:32:23.380 What are you having kids, kids with your students? 1.00

01:32:25.780 What kind of stupid, demented freak is this guy? 1.00

01:32:29.160 Like, you're talking about IVF, oh, you can talk to my students? 1.00

01:32:31.680 Why the heck am I going to talk to your students about IVF?

01:32:34.460 What, your students prove your fertility?

01:32:38.860 Your students are going to know whether or not you're fertile? 0.80

01:32:42.300 Your students are going to know about whether or not your sperm works? 1.00

01:32:45.840 What kind of demented person is this? 0.99

01:32:50.160 Hey, you lied about that IVF. 0.99

01:32:52.080 You know, you should go ask the kids I coached.

01:32:54.200 No, I mean, replay the tape.

01:32:55.440 Did I miss you this?

01:32:56.360 They're asking him about whether his sperm works, and he starts talking about his students.

01:33:02.440 Play back the tape. 0.95

01:33:03.760 Play cut 151.

01:33:04.760 You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.

01:33:17.540 And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.

01:33:28.040 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

01:33:33.020 Well, I've been very public.

01:33:34.920 I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they do, they vouch for me.

01:33:40.760 I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.

01:33:43.120 The one thing I'll tell you is I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.

01:33:46.920 I mean, again, I don't know what your students have to do with your drunk driving or your difficulty getting pregnant.

01:33:57.240 I'm sorry.

01:33:57.620 I just, you guys could take it from me.

01:34:03.480 I mean, it is the weirdest response.

01:34:06.160 And again, this just goes back.

01:34:07.740 The crazy, the crazy part is this guy just lies about everything.

01:34:12.340 IVF is, you know, this.

01:34:14.720 No, but I mean, you want to talk about a non-sequitur.

01:34:17.380 Oh, you know, you could just ask all my football players.

01:34:20.040 They'll tell you I'm plenty fertile.

01:34:21.340 Like, what are you talking about?

01:34:24.140 Everything's working great down there.

01:34:25.480 They can all 22 guys on the starting roster.

01:34:28.260 They can confirm it.

01:34:29.860 Just run them out there. 0.92

01:34:31.400 You could just talk to my students.

01:34:32.720 I'm very public.

01:34:34.020 Like, what?

01:34:35.320 That's not what we're talking about.

01:34:36.980 And like, what's even crazier is that when you look into those questions,

01:34:41.660 and they also get into the question about his military service and lying about carrying weapons of war,

01:34:47.240 he never once actually just admits what he did.

01:34:50.200 He never does what Tyler was just talking about that Bush did in 2000 and said,

01:34:54.100 yeah, I made some mistakes.

01:34:55.120 Never says it.

01:34:56.040 He blames his wife.

01:34:57.600 He blames grammar.

01:34:59.520 He brings up the dead children in school shootings.

01:35:02.780 I was very impassioned about the dead children.

01:35:05.660 So, you know, totally exploiting these horrible situations, these horrible incidents.

01:35:10.880 And he never once owns up.

01:35:13.360 And you can, by the way, see him getting a little frustrated.

01:35:15.320 It's a little hot under the collar.

01:35:16.540 And I think that the way that, so in the way that we were talking about how Kamala, she gets anxious.

01:35:21.960 Tim Walsh has a tendency, and local reporters back in Minnesota have talked about this,

01:35:27.180 that he has a tendency to get angry.

01:35:29.280 He has a tendency to get hot under the collar.

01:35:31.640 He has a tendency to punch back.

01:35:33.260 He blows his top.

01:35:34.340 He's quick to angry.

01:35:35.100 He's almost like an Alec Baldwin in there.

01:35:36.880 I hope he doesn't have any loaded weapons around him.

01:35:39.260 But, you know, this is the kind of guy where if J.D. Vance, when he brings this up,

01:35:43.940 if he really starts poking buttons, you're going to see him absolutely lose it up on that stage.

01:35:50.700 I think this is going to be clip 157, but this non sequitur answer.

01:35:56.100 So we have Tim Walsh, like, confronted about his lies, and he's just referencing his students.

01:36:00.920 Another good example was in Kamala.

01:36:03.500 They were confronting her about, I think it was the, like, why haven't you done all the things that you say you're going to do now?

01:36:10.360 Because, obviously, the administration.

01:36:11.740 And she just pivots to this bizarre thing.

01:36:15.500 Let's just play 157. 0.76

01:36:16.860 You have been vice president for three and a half years.

01:36:20.080 The steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?

01:36:25.260 I was in Nevada recently.

01:36:27.120 A grandmother who showed me her receipts.

01:36:31.260 And before we capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month, she was paying hundreds of dollars, up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin. 0.98

01:36:39.780 She's not doing that anymore. 1.00

01:36:40.820 I maintain Bidenomics is a success.

01:36:43.460 I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000.

01:36:54.340 When we do what we did in the first year of being in office.

01:36:57.620 So that was, again, the question was, why haven't you done the stuff you're pledging to do?

01:37:03.540 And she's just like, the Biden administration is great.

01:37:07.260 I was talking to this grandma.

01:37:09.020 She's paying, she has the receipts for her medicine. 0.73

01:37:11.740 Trump's bad.

01:37:13.840 Doesn't answer the question.

01:37:15.600 Doesn't even really engage with the question.

01:37:19.300 Just go to something completely different.

01:37:22.240 I feel like maybe there's some people that this works on, but I feel like if they're doing it to every awkward question, and there's a lot of awkward questions, and especially if we harp on it, people are going to notice this pattern.

01:37:36.900 That Kamala, she dodges, she dodges questions, she dodges even giving interviews, she dodges press conferences, she avoids the press, and when they actually pin her down, she avoids answering the actual questions that they give her. 0.97

01:37:49.900 Maybe avoidant Kamala is one we can go with here.

01:37:53.720 But she's truly a person who is very afraid to give a direct answer to a question.

01:38:02.040 And I think it's so telling how different it is from Trump.

01:38:05.820 Trump will be very combative in his answers.

01:38:08.320 They'll confront him on something tough, like abortion, and he'll just not give an inch.

01:38:12.880 He'll just start, he'll say like, oh yeah, it was great what the Supreme Court did.

01:38:16.420 It's great.

01:38:16.860 We're going to do all these things.

01:38:17.760 He's always on message, very direct.

01:38:20.640 So yeah, maybe overly combative, very true.

01:38:23.020 But there's never this, I don't feel like we ever see Trump just totally refuse to engage

01:38:28.740 with the premise of a question and start telling an unrelated story about something else.

01:38:34.660 It's just, it's not his style, and I'd like to think that the public recognizes that as a strength of his style.

01:38:41.980 There was a Puck News article recently that they kind of, they released a survey.

01:38:46.740 They asked a bunch of voters, I think it was an echelon poll, but they were asking people their thoughts on Kamala.

01:38:52.700 And the number one thing that came to people's minds when they asked independent voters about Kamala,

01:38:57.560 I think 21% picked it, was unprepared.

01:39:01.960 And I think that's what we're seeing here.

01:39:04.460 What do you do when you're asked a question you're not prepared for?

01:39:07.280 You just answer the question that you wish you were asked.

01:39:10.000 And in this case, it's basically tell some story about a grandmother that you met.

01:39:15.800 No, she reminds me exactly of, you know, me in school when you're like sleeping and the teacher calls on you

01:39:25.720 and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah.

01:39:29.840 And sometimes I do that on this show, you know, and I'll be like, you know, we've been there, right?

01:39:35.040 And you just filibuster until someone bills you out.

01:39:37.160 And you just start talking until, you know, Charlie picks it back up and shifts it to somebody else.

01:39:41.940 And so that's like literally.

01:39:43.340 Say this, Charlie.

01:39:45.040 That's literally bash and Kamala.

01:39:47.020 Oh, my gosh.

01:39:47.860 Colorado's up 11 over North Dakota State.

01:39:50.240 This is, I'm not going to recover from this one.

01:39:52.300 This is terrible.

01:39:53.000 You're from South Dakota.

01:39:54.400 I was born in North Dakota.

01:39:56.260 The states are much like each other.

01:39:58.180 We have the Dakota brethren.

01:40:00.340 People are always saying we should merge the Dakotas.

01:40:02.720 No, we have to stick together.

01:40:03.900 We are aren't the Dakota brethren like the Lakota, like the actual tribe that used to live there.

01:40:10.320 Isn't that isn't that the isn't that the Dakota brethren?

01:40:13.780 No.

01:40:17.600 I want to see how guys we should take a look at how the left is reacting to this.

01:40:21.740 I'd like to see what MSNBC is saying.

01:40:23.680 I'd like to see what CNN is saying.

01:40:25.460 I noticed we haven't done that.

01:40:27.220 And one of the other things, by the way, is that could just be a scheduling thing.

01:40:30.760 But Donald Trump had a fantastic town hall tonight that just got totally, I think, honestly, I think it got overshadowed by this, which is sad because he was there with Tulsi Gabbard.

01:40:41.100 And it was I saw some clips of it.

01:40:42.460 It was a great format.

01:40:43.960 Just having him sort of freewheeling with the questions, having Tulsi up there was great.

01:40:48.460 And look, you know, a lot of the attention was built into this race.

01:40:50.800 So I hope that at some point, maybe not tonight, if we can get to it.

01:40:54.440 I know it's already getting late.

01:40:55.240 But, you know, over the next couple of days, we can get back to some of that content that Trump put out tonight, as well as one thing I think we should look at.

01:41:02.160 Maybe the producers can dig into it a little bit about just these the response from the left.

01:41:07.300 And I think we've got some some CNN maybe coming up as to as to what exactly the you know, because they are the ones.

01:41:14.040 OK, they're the ones who needed to do this.

01:41:16.100 Donald Trump does, what, 10 interviews a week.

01:41:18.120 And he's on like a podcast every time you turn around.

01:41:20.620 I even pointed out that, you know, he was doing another event tonight, even during hers.

01:41:26.240 So, you know, this guy's got more content out there like crazy.

01:41:31.080 It was a fantastic event.

01:41:32.840 And and she's only ever done one.

01:41:36.320 So it's become this sort of like, you know, sort of like, you know, man bites dog kind of situation where it's like, well, she never gives an interview.

01:41:43.060 And so even though she had a mid one, it's actually much more newsworthy in a sense because Trump is just inundating and saturating the environment, which, by the way, is a very strong strategy for him.

01:41:53.080 She is making it clear that she will embrace and be a continuation of Biden's economic policy, his record, what they've done.

01:42:01.580 She didn't offer she offered no remorse, no regrets, no introspection about anything they've done.

01:42:06.560 She continued to blame inflation on this fantasy price gouging idea.

01:42:10.700 She had no additional thoughts on the economic situation in the country or what they've done beyond just saying Joe Biden and I have done a great job.

01:42:18.760 Now, if I were the Trump people, I would be salivating over the idea that that's how they are going to run the race.

01:42:24.980 I don't believe it's tenable.

01:42:27.560 I also thought it was interesting that she didn't take any responsibility at the end for telling the American people that Joe Biden was fine and he was strong.

01:42:34.940 When we all know that's not true.

01:42:36.180 That's why he's out of the race and she's still standing by the idea that he was fine and he's strong and that he's fine today.

01:42:42.160 Nobody believes that.

01:42:43.700 And I just think at some point, why isn't he running?

01:42:51.640 Who wants to take that, Blake?

01:42:54.220 Well, first, I want to know that since we do read the people, anyone who makes a paid Rumble rant, someone ranted that,

01:43:00.460 so three douchebags against Poso, that's this show. 0.96

01:43:04.240 I would correct you. 0.96

01:43:05.500 Sometimes it's four douchebags. 0.92

01:43:07.460 Andrew's on, too.

01:43:09.340 This is true.

01:43:10.260 Sometimes Andrew's on.

01:43:11.260 Sometimes I come on and I'm like, wait, I'm also anti-Poso.

01:43:15.720 Who's anti-Poso?

01:43:16.740 No one's anti-Poso.

01:43:17.580 The guy's very pro-Poso.

01:43:18.700 He says we're douchebags, though, which is fair. 1.00

01:43:20.840 Many people have called me that.

01:43:21.800 He said against Poso. 0.79

01:43:22.440 Three douchebags against Poso. 1.00

01:43:24.420 It's us versus Poso. 0.95

01:43:25.840 No, I always support Jack.

01:43:27.640 Tyler is generally pretty pro-Poso.

01:43:31.700 I'll give Tyler credit on that one.

01:43:33.940 Except with the Diamondbacks owning the Phillies.

01:43:37.620 Yeah, baseball.

01:43:38.840 Diamondbacks are on a rampage, man.

01:43:40.680 They're going to.

01:43:42.020 I feel like the Diamondbacks winning the World Series would be good vibes for the state.

01:43:45.840 And so would that make us more likely or less likely to win the state, you think?

01:43:50.540 More likely.

01:43:51.300 It would be more likely because Tyler and I would go to those games and ballot chase with MAGA hats on.

01:43:55.780 Because it would be right during election time.

01:44:00.060 That's why.

01:44:00.700 And we'd bring a bunch of chasers.

01:44:03.520 We talked about that.

01:44:04.540 Remember?

01:44:05.100 Didn't we talk about doing a bunch of things on camera last time?

01:44:07.840 Like buying those tickets right behind home plate?

01:44:11.040 Like putting Charlie Kirk right behind home plate.

01:44:14.120 The games are October.

01:44:15.260 If they make it.

01:44:16.140 It's October 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, and November 1st.

01:44:21.360 Right as the final chasing of ballots.

01:44:23.940 So there you go.

01:44:24.500 Yeah, how cool would it be?

01:44:27.480 Meanwhile, go ahead.

01:44:30.280 I was just going to say, I mean, we've got a couple different options, too, with the brewers, too.

01:44:33.720 So we'll see.

01:44:35.400 Brewers are playing well.

01:44:36.740 Yeah, there you go.

01:44:37.240 There's some crossover.

01:44:38.060 All right.

01:44:38.400 Here's Chris Hayes reacting to anything Trump does.

01:44:41.420 Play cut 159.

01:44:44.560 Democracy.

01:44:45.920 January 6th.

01:44:46.500 Trump.

01:44:46.820 I was not prepared for that.

01:44:58.800 I thought that was going to be Charlie.

01:45:00.820 Charlie's like king of the no cell.

01:45:02.520 So like, by the way, all of our clips that go viral from this, it's usually me doing something silly. 0.58

01:45:07.360 And then Charlie being like, so liver wart.

01:45:12.880 And then.

01:45:14.020 Yes.

01:45:14.580 You guys need a liver cleanse. 0.82

01:45:16.080 Regular liver cleanse. 0.94

01:45:18.380 Naked.

01:45:19.180 Naked.

01:45:19.420 Let's play it again.

01:45:20.260 In the.

01:45:21.140 Yeah.

01:45:23.340 Play cut 159.

01:45:24.340 Democracy.

01:45:26.460 January 6th.

01:45:28.220 Trump.

01:45:32.840 Democracy.

01:45:34.220 January 6th.

01:45:35.980 Trump.

01:45:36.820 Wait, his tie isn't changing.

01:45:38.700 This is all one show.

01:45:40.700 This is just one show.

01:45:41.620 No, you got to keep it going.

01:45:42.680 This is just one episode.

01:45:44.560 This is one episode.

01:45:46.200 January 6th.

01:45:47.920 Trump.

01:45:50.460 Democracy.

01:45:51.940 January 6th.

01:45:52.900 We need to get him like a walking desk or something.

01:45:56.180 This guy needs to get in shape.

01:45:57.560 January 6th.

01:45:59.460 Hey, Chris, hey, they should do a celebrity biggest loser.

01:46:02.080 Democracy. 0.60

01:46:02.360 Because didn't Lizzo, isn't Lizzo losing weight now because she got fat shamed? 1.00

01:46:06.620 And so she's taking a gap year because she, and she's like actually going to some like weight loss clinic down in like Ecuador or something.

01:46:14.080 And she's losing all this weight and posting photos of her fat journey, or excuse me, her body positivity journey. 1.00

01:46:20.300 And, you know, it's like Chris Hayes, you're next, man.

01:46:24.600 Go get the cabana next to Lizzo.

01:46:26.760 Just, you know, give her whatever she wants.

01:46:28.680 You know, she might be a little hungry these days. 1.00

01:46:30.420 I don't know.

01:46:31.480 I don't know if Chris is on the menu, but, you know, Lizzo will not be denied.

01:46:36.260 But that said, Chris, you got to do something.

01:46:38.020 You got to take care of yourself, buddy.

01:46:39.220 You got to take care of yourself.

01:46:40.120 How old is he?

01:46:41.440 How old is he?

01:46:42.280 How old is Chris Hayes?

01:46:43.760 Democracy.

01:46:44.280 Chris Hayes is January 6th.

01:46:45.760 45.

01:46:46.480 45.

01:46:49.220 He is definitely the mascot of the Femboys, though. 0.79

01:46:52.800 Yeah.

01:46:53.980 If you're Chris Hayes, it's perpetually 2008, and you're excited for Obama.

01:46:58.920 He's like if they gave Pajama Boy a show on MSNBC.

01:47:02.680 Anyone else remember Pajama Boy?

01:47:03.920 I remember Pajama Boy.

01:47:05.160 I remember him promoting Obamacare.

01:47:07.320 That's right.

01:47:09.460 I remember that.

01:47:10.420 Okay, final thoughts, guys.

01:47:13.660 We have a debate coming up in about 12 days.

01:47:16.880 I don't know if this moves the needle too much, but for independent voters who saw it,

01:47:20.420 it certainly did.

01:47:21.420 I don't think it did anything for Kamala.

01:47:23.500 Final thoughts, guys.

01:47:28.220 Charlie, I'm happy that you finally have college football again, even though there is a player

01:47:32.720 in college football getting his ninth year of eligibility, which I do feel somewhat undermines

01:47:38.460 the college football concept a little bit.

01:47:42.380 To be fair, he was hurt for like three of them, and then there was the COVID year, and then

01:47:49.340 he had a red shirt.

01:47:51.260 Okay, but all right, all right.

01:47:54.100 This guy is going to be playing college football across more than two presidential administrations.

01:48:00.500 That is remarkable.

01:48:02.240 This guy's in his ninth year of college football playing for Mario Cristobal down in Miami.

01:48:06.260 Pretty amazing.

01:48:07.060 Ninth year of college football.

01:48:09.940 I mean, his injury that he went through is pretty savage.

01:48:12.180 He had to have like nails screwed into his knee.

01:48:14.200 It was pretty aggressive, but final thoughts, Tyler.

01:48:17.780 I don't think Chris Hayes needs to go to fat camp.

01:48:20.500 They have drugs for this now, but they released the entire South Park about it.

01:48:25.960 If Carmen can get skinny. 1.00

01:48:27.420 Ozempic? 0.79

01:48:28.320 It's just Ozempic.

01:48:30.500 I'm surprised MSNBC doesn't have an Ozempic policy.

01:48:37.900 You know, like imagine if instead of all the COVID stuff we did to like lockdown, if we

01:48:43.140 just did a national, like everyone should lose 20 pounds because that would have helped

01:48:47.300 a lot more than all the lockdowns because it was just a risk factor to be overweight.

01:48:52.240 National Ozempic initiative, except that it's like weird and creepy for other reasons.

01:48:56.340 He's definitely eating more hot dogs than Rachel Maddow.

01:48:58.480 Can't argue with that.

01:49:05.640 Jack, final thoughts.

01:49:08.440 Again, I just keep going back to it.

01:49:10.380 She didn't do what she needed to do.

01:49:12.000 All of this really will do is serve to prevent Trump from having that attack line at the debate

01:49:17.820 in 12 days of saying she's never done any interviews.

01:49:20.800 Now, he could say she's only ever done one interview, but I think I would rate this as

01:49:25.500 a W because what the Trump campaign has been able to do here is successfully force her out 0.99

01:49:30.340 of hiding.

01:49:31.280 She's been in hiding since she got into this race.

01:49:34.140 And by the way, there are still some very serious questions about how she got into the

01:49:38.220 race in the first place.

01:49:39.600 And CNN tried very hard, Denabash trying hard to give it the illusion of a serious conversation

01:49:46.840 about what exactly happened with Joe Biden.

01:49:49.560 But then again, no curiosity as to.

01:49:51.900 So who's running the country right now?

01:49:54.380 Do you talk to Joe Biden on a regular basis?

01:49:56.420 Because we're told he's off at the beach.

01:49:58.520 You seem to be driving around Georgia in a bus.

01:50:01.660 Who's actually, you know, defending the nation while we're here.

01:50:05.820 Also, haven't you kind of been the president the entire time?

01:50:08.780 Well, no, no, no.

01:50:09.380 You and I know that.

01:50:10.600 But of course, CNN and, you know, the average voter out there doesn't hear those things

01:50:13.940 and has questions as to who actually is in charge.

01:50:18.500 And so I don't think that, again, that she did what she needed to do.

01:50:23.480 And I think there's still massive questions and so much area that Trump can exploit and will

01:50:28.360 just because it's Donald Trump, certainly be exploiting in 12 days time here in Philadelphia.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 30, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 55 — Kamala's First Interview

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