THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 56 — Was Churchill Bad？ + Worst Team In Football？
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Tucker Carlson's latest guest and his comments about Winston Churchill. I also break down the story about how the NFL team, the Philadelphia Eagles, may have actually had someone within the organization declare Kamala Harris to be their official candidate.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for another edition of Thought Crime Thursday. Today, myself, Charlie and the team get into Tucker Carlson's latest guest and his comments about Winston Churchill. I also break down the story about how the NFL team, the Philadelphia Eagles may have actually had someone within the organization declare Kamala Harris to be their official candidate. Is that true? Is that what's really going on? You got to listen to find out.
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It is Thought Crime Thursday. We have a lot in store for you here.
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I walk in and Blake was just like shredding paper, just walking around very forcefully.
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It's a good thing that Blake did not have a military at his disposal this morning.
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Yes, indeed. He might have done something really bad.
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Blake was, he was on one because, and I said, this is Blake's time to shine.
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So the three or four things that I heard that I found that I was like, okay, that doesn't
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Or I don't agree with, which is the Tucker Carlson podcast with Daryl Cooper.
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He has a Twitter account with about 260,000 subscribers, which is about 260,000 more than
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So he, the conversation started fair enough with him talking about this very in-depth
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story he had done on the Jonestown cult, claiming that he listened to 2,000 hours of
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For someone who listens to lots of hours of content, like I, I went through a, let me
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think, it was like 180 hours of an Old Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy
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And it took me like all year to do it correctly.
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You know, I just had the thought since I review our podcast episodes before that, I wonder if
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So it's, it's, well, it's about like, it's not even three hours.
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It's about an hour and a half of content a day.
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So anyway, then it went into what Blake, we could play the tape here.
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So like you said, it starts off with Jonestown and they talk about Israel, Palestine, lots
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But where it really, uh, goes into other stuff is Tucker.
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He's like, Oh, you have somewhat different ideas about world war two.
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I'm not sure which is the best one, but let's just go with the first one on the list.
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So I don't have any weird motive in asking this, but how would you assess Winston Churchill?
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Uh, I got in trouble with my podcast partner, Jocko Willink one time because he's a New
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It's near and dear to their Dutch, but very near and dear to their heart that Winston Churchill
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Well, everyone, everyone thinks that he really thinks that.
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And I told him that I think, and maybe I'm being a little, little hyperbolic, maybe, but
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I told him maybe trying to provoke him a little bit that I thought Churchill was the chief
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He didn't, uh, commit the most atrocities, but I believe, and I don't really think, I
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think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out,
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you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did becoming something
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Now, mind you, there's a picture of Churchill right there.
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That is, that is a strong label to assert in a, in a conflict.
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So his argument, so he mentioned this on Tucker and then he also did a Twitter thread that
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is 54 posts long on X, I should say X thread 54 posts long.
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So that's a surprising amount of play on, on X for any historical topic.
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And the argument, which this has actually been around a while.
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Pat Buchanan wrote a book arguing this, uh, back in 2008.
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But the claim is that world war two should have been a small war that Hitler didn't want a
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He just want, like, he just wanted to like go annex Danzig and that was it.
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And that Churchill forced him to keep fighting because Churchill wouldn't negotiate peace.
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And so then Hitler had to go do all of these other things that Hitler decided to do.
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Like he didn't really want to invade the Soviet union or do the Holocaust or do all this other
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But then Churchill, like, because Churchill just loved being a warmonger, like forced,
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forced him, like, I guess forced is the term to do it.
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He forced him to do it is essentially the argument.
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And I'll confess, this was an annoying thing I had to do.
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I had, I went and I was reading the thread and I went into this like fugue state where
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I was researching every single assertion that it made.
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Explain the thread to the audience because the thread is different than the podcast.
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So this was the day after this was released on a Tuesday afternoon, I believe, uh, after
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it started to go viral that he was on it and I'll just read some portions of it.
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You know, he says time for a Churchill thread, time for a Churchill thread.
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Why I think Churchill was a chief villain of world war two.
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Uh, and he's, you know, kind of repeats the caveat.
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I don't, he didn't order the most deaths or do the most stuff, but then he basically rewrites
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this narrative where Churchill is single-handedly responsible for like why Hitler rose.
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Because he says Churchill blockaded Germany in world war one and this caused starvation
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So he was, he was in charge of the Navy when world war one broke out.
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It was the start of the war, but the blockade thing as a strategy had been decided on beforehand.
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He like didn't come up with this idea from scratch.
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And then when, after the war is over where they'll always kind of cite it as a controversial
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thing is after world war one ends, they continue the blockade until the treaty of Versailles
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So they're still blockading Germany in 1919 after Germany has surrendered.
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The argument was they didn't occupy Germany after the war.
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So the blockade was sort of how they kept Germany from, you know, going take backsies and say,
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And this is what was frustrating to me that this went very viral is what the entire thread
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does is he is repeating a lot of stuff from a book that came out in 2008 that I remember
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And what it is, is it's a bunch of quotations and news stories from like the lead up to
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world war two that essentially is designed to present the argument that world war two
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was avoidable and Winston Churchill and a few other warmongers just really wanted a war.
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And that as a result, by extension, Winston Churchill is responsible for the fall of the British
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And some people seem to believe that it's responsible for like why wokeness exists.
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And I think that's, what's actually going into this most of the time is I think there's
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this sort of moths to a flame thing where people like they're drawn to revisionist takes on
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And I think on the right, it's because a lot of people, you know, they know world war two
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That's the creation of the post-war American global order.
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And that American global order is now, you know, kind of obsessed with mass immigration
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and, you know, gay and trans rights and all of that.
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So let me throw to Jack just so that the audience who's not aware can.
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So Jack, why don't you explain what we're responding to carry the audience along here?
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So it's, it's just basically that there's this, this long thread that which, which Blake is
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responding to that where, where Daryl goes in and basically he makes his case using a variety
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of instances from the end of world war one, all the way up to world, the beginning of
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And then later the conduct of world war two to make this case using these various pieces
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of information that, you know, the typical person who may be interested in history or
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maybe isn't interested in history, maybe doesn't know about.
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So like this blockade of Germany, which happened prior to world war two.
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So what happened, you know, about 30 years prior at the end of world war one, uh, before
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the beginning of the treaty of Versailles, there's all of these various little, and I
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don't mean to say little, I just mean to say these various instances that he's referring
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And each of them, when you take them on, on a whole, um, you know, and you're reading
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it in, in a vacuum, you know, it certainly paints a certain picture.
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And so what Blake has done is gone through and actually found kind of responses to all
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And, you know, like, like obviously world war two is something that a lot of people, a
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lot of scholarship has gone into, but it's so important for things like this that are
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so complex that literally involved, uh, something like 80% of the world's landmass at war at
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And so you can't just take one view of it or another or look at things without it out of
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Once that's done and the British have, uh, you know, uh, escaped at Dunkirk, there's
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There's no opposing force left on the continent.
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In other words, the war is over and the Germans won.
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So there's just, there's literally no opposing force on the, on the continent.
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And throughout that summer, Hitler is firing off radio broadcasts, giving speeches, literally
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sending planes over to drop leaflets over London and other British cities, trying to get the
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message to these people that Germany does not want to fight you.
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Like we don't want to fight you offering peace proposals that, you know, said you keep all
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The world needs Britain to be strong, you know, especially as we face this communist threat
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And I think that if there were people in Britain who, uh, well, if they hadn't put it this way,
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if they hadn't been so successful at delegitimizing, uh, the peace approach by demonizing Neville
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Chamberlain and so forth and holding him responsible for the invasion of Poland, um, that people would
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would have been, they would have understood, like we don't need another, a repeat of the
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first world war, you know, we don't, which is not what ended up happening, but that's what
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And so Churchill, I mean, you have a guy who wants to, Churchill wanted a war.
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I, I, I, hold on, but didn't, wasn't Dunkirk, the Germans trying to kill British troops?
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No, so the narrative he's going with, the narrative he's going with here, just very basic world
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war two summary for people who don't have it ingrained in their head from like when they
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read every middle school world war two book when they were 10, you know, just saying watch
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the movie Dunkirk, by the way, which is a great movie.
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So 1939, Hitler invades Poland, Germany and Britain and France declare war on Germany, not
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the Soviet union, not America, Britain and France, and then, you know, other countries that
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don't count like Canada. And Poland's defeated. After this, Hitler offers peace. And I think
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Britain and France understandably say, no, you, you started this war. We're not going
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to let you conquer Poland. Uh, the following year in the spring, Hitler invades into the
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West. He also attacks Belgium and the Netherlands, which were neutral countries, beats them, conquers
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France. And then the British are trapped at Dunkirk and they escape at Dunkirk. They evacuate
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back to Britain. And then what he's saying is after this, the British have been driven
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out of continental Europe. They're just stuck on Britain. And Germany is essentially the
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master of Europe from, you know, the Atlantic ocean to the Soviet union. And for lack of a
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better term, he seems, he seems a little butthurt about this. Like that's not fair. You're, you're
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supposed to, you're supposed to surrender now. You're supposed to make peace. You don't, you
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can't beat Germany. You're, you're cheating. And Churchill didn't do that. Churchill just
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said, nope, we're going to continue the war. And lo and behold, four, you know, five years
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later, it, it wasn't Britain that was surrendering. It was Germany. Uh, and so this is, it's, I
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guess this sounds esoteric, but this went viral for a reason. And I'll say I've been around
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the, you know, conservatism, the right for a long time at this point. And there's always
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been this substrate of like, Churchill was bad or like world war two, like the way it
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went, like we shouldn't have been involved in it. And I just can't help but feel that
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I don't think it's that, like some people are saying this is like neo-Nazi stuff. I
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think that's stupid. I think what it is, is it's like compulsive contrarianism that
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like you have, like you've heard, you know, it's, it's held up as this big, like great
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crusade, every movie, like the Nazis, the bad guys and everything, you know, Churchill's
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this big hero. And so for some people, there's just this overwhelming temptation to say like,
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no, actually, but I'll be honest. It reminds me of when people say that like America or Britain
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are systematically racist countries. You're going to take one of our great achievements, which
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is beating this absolutely deranged tyrant, Hitler, who wanted to take over the world
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and, you know, destroy Christian civilization. And we fought a war against him and we beat
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him. And then as a bonus, we managed to beat the Soviet union. It took a few decades, but
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we even did it without firing a shot. That's a pretty good set of accomplishments. And I think
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it's very sad that people are going to, you know, anyone's going to come along and say, actually
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that was a big mistake and we shouldn't have done it. And especially on the grounds of,
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as he's saying in that clip, we just showed that, Oh, like Hitler, Hitler wanted to make
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peace. Well, there were several opportunities for Hitler to make peace. And there was also
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an opportunity to have peace known as not declaring war in the first place. And there was a person
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who declared war and it wasn't Winston Churchill, but help me understand. Weren't Germans killing
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Oh yeah. Yeah. His argument is that the British had lost. Like, it's not that they weren't
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Well, he says they lost the war because they weren't on France. So if you're not in France,
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No, I mean, but I don't understand the point. Like they try to eliminate 300,000 British soldiers.
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They barely get out at Dunkirk. And then you're like, Oh, you know, we should go sue for peace.
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Like it basically is that they lost. So under his perspective, if the continent remained
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Nazi, good. I don't know if he would say good, but at least like acceptable that he's like,
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Oh, true. You know, Hitler was okay with a strong British empire, but I guess Britain was supposed
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to be okay with Nazis ruling. So then at one point, help me educate me. Then when did Hitler start
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So Hitler doesn't firebomb. He does bomb London firebombing. I'm just gonna be a nerd. That's like
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technical where you're fine. Yeah. Great. He starts bombing London over the summer of 1940 to try to get
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he start. Well, hold on. But Dunkirk was in June of 1940. Yeah. So basically immediately after France
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surrenders and then the only thing they have left is Britain. And so hold on, but they start, but if,
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if, if, if Hitler really didn't want, they wanted Britain to succeed and continue, why did he start
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bombing them? Why didn't he just ignore them? Yeah. I mean, Britain was still at war with him.
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Britain was bombing, you know, Britain was bombing Germany. Britain was very determined to continue
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the war also. So I think, I don't think you can fault either side for waging the war that he's
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making it seem as if that German Germany was being these like super reasonable peace doves.
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Yeah. No, that's, that's what I understand. That's the part that, is there any evidence for
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this? Well, he's, Hitler does. He's hanging it all. Yeah. I was, I think you're about to say it,
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like he was, he's hanging it all on this statement or I guess a series of statements that Hitler makes
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at one point, basically offering peace terms to the British, which of course, as we know,
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the British and Churchill completely reject. And it seems to be that his, his argument is that had,
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had Churchill taken the peace terms that the war would not have spread beyond what it was at that
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point, which then obviously would have left it in his current state. Well, and we're, and we're not
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even touching upon the fact of like the actual history of the German Soviet relations, which are
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totally neglected in this entire thing and not talked about, which is that I wrote a book about
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it. Well, I'm not saying with us, I'm saying in this entire argument where this is, we're talking
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about Churchill is that, that the, the Nazis marched, they totally just like ripped up the
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entire agreement that, that Hitler, Hitler had made with Stalin and they moved forward, you know,
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took over, uh, you know, in, in this pursuit and it was a really racist anti-Slavic pursuit,
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which is a really important part of this whole thing that you look at. And so that's, you know,
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the joining of forces. And so putting, you know, this, this narrative that like, that,
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you know, Hitler wasn't trying to like take more than, you know, what, what he, he claimed,
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there was this whole argument over, it wasn't to the Soviet union. There was this, this defining
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line between Germanic peoples and Slavic peoples. And there was this whole dispute over this in,
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in the midst of, you know, to, to say that, you know, the Germans weren't going to do that to
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anyone else is insane to the Anglos, to anyone else. Part of this is, it's like, why don't they
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just trust Hitler? Like Hitler was offering them a peace deal, but Hitler had annexed Austria and
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then said, I'm not going to do anything more after this. Just don't declare war on me. And then
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Hitler annexes Czechoslovakia. Like he gets the Munich agreement where he takes half of Czechoslovakia
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and he says, after this, I'm done. That's the last of what I'm going to do. And then not even
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six months later, he's like, he annexes the whole country. And then, and then he comes up and then
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he's like, okay, and now I'm going to take, you know, he takes a city off Lithuania. And then
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finally he says, okay, now I'm going to go after Danzig. And they finally quite reasonably say, no,
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you're just a lunatic who's like extremely aggressive and revisionist. And then reasonably,
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I would say one of the reasons Churchill doesn't make peace is he says, yeah, well, Hitler's a lunatic.
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So he's going to keep invading countries. I can't get past this point. He wants him to make peace in
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the midst of a war. Well, yeah, but no, but not. Well, yeah. I mean, there's France is completely
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occupied. We're just going to give that up. I, I think that is the argument. Yeah. And the other,
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and the Eastern front, to these savage barbarians and the Eastern front, they're marching across the
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East, the, the, all of the Slavic peoples too. I just, I must, I want to give this guy the benefit of
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that. Jack, what am I missing here? I just, the lack of moral clarity here.
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Yeah. Well, no, you're not missing it, but, but, you know, you know, as the resident Polak
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definitely have to point out that, you know, this was a situation where yes, Hitler, and then two
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weeks later, Joseph Stalin invade Poland. Uh, at the time, of course, Poland had this, uh, basically
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they had a, a treaty defense treaty with the UK and France. And so this is why the war is declared,
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which Hitler knew by the way, that this agreement was in place. And so it was triggered. Basically,
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um, there's, there's some writing to say that, you know, he thought that maybe the UK and France
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wouldn't actually declare war over Poland. Um, but of course, if they didn't, that would have
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basically meant that their word was worthless. And so that they, they wouldn't stand up to their
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agreements, which of course would diminish their strategic standing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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But point being is he invaded Poland. Uh, half of Poland was destroyed by Hitler. The other half
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was destroyed by Stalin. And all of this was still going on at the time of this, what did he say?
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Fall of 1940 or December, 1940 Dunkirk. So at the time of Dunkirk, that's all still taking place.
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And these are, these are, by the way, areas of Poland to what, what Tyler is talking about,
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uh, this was not, you know, part of Germany. This was, these were not German villages or German
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settlements. So these were Polish speaking people in Polish villages that have been Poland since time
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immemorial. This was not some of like these, you know, Oh, well, these were German people and this
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was part of their ancestral land. No, no, not at all. Not even a little bit. Um, and so it's, it's,
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it's ridiculous to say that the war was over because for the Polish people, it certainly wasn't over
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for the Polish people. It wasn't over to the 1990s. And that was the, uh, the, the Hitler
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belief, Lebensraum, which is, which was the idea, Lebensraum, which was the idea that, and that was
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the excuse that was used to keep marching. And that, and they, they weren't going to, they
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weren't going to stop. I mean, the, every, every agreement they made, they, they, they ruined
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within weeks or months and ripped it up and he just kept going. So it's just, and ignoring
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that's insane. Yeah. I'm, you go through the thread and I guess it's unfortunate because
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in the video, uh, this guy, Daryl Cooper, I think Tucker describes him as like one of the
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top historians in the U S and I haven't, I haven't seen the Jonestown thing. It might be
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very good, but like all the stuff on world war two is he, he literally let red, I'm not
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making this up. All the quotes he does in his Twitter thread are from that book, human
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smoke, which is written by a left-wing pacifist erotica writer. He has, uh, he, he has written
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masterworks such as house of holes. I did not, I did not make that title up. And it's like
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a book by a pacifist who just hates Churchill. Cause he, as far as I can tell, just is mad
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world war two happened. And I'll, what I'll say is I've seen this book recommended by people
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like on the right, because they want to have this dissident, like this based dissident take
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on world war two. And you know, sometimes, sometimes the old school boomer con take is
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correct. And I am a, I'm a boomer con on world war two. I think Hitler was bad and it was good
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for America and Britain to fight Hitler and beat Hitler. And is it a valid take to say
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Stalin was just as bad? Sure. And I think America kind of knew that before the war. And
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we quickly remind, uh, reminded ourselves of it after the war, which is why we had the
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cold war. Well, and this is one of the important parts is having lived in Russia. The number one
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thing that every boomer Russian said to me immediately upon learning I was American was thank you so
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much. If it wasn't for the West, like we would all be speaking German. If it wasn't for the West,
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I don't know if we would have a village if it wasn't for the West. And so there's this also this,
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you know, when we're talking about, you know, these ideas is like, you know, there is an argument to
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be made as well that world war two, like things could have been a different world in which Hitler
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still remains in cahoots with Stalin and we live in a, you know, German, you know, Soviet world versus
00:24:35.540
an American Soviet world. And, and the eradication of Western ideals is greatly accelerated. And so
00:24:44.220
like, you know, you can make the argument that we actually part in part one, the cold war ultimately
00:24:49.880
in the destruction of one of the largest superpowers ever in the 20th century, because Western ideals
00:24:56.580
were sown throughout Soviet culture because of our, because of Winston Churchill demanding
00:25:04.040
Stalin and FDR getting on the same page. Because it wasn't FDR, by the way. FDR did nothing.
00:25:10.580
We justifiably get mad when Libs ripped down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson
00:25:15.180
and all these, and, you know, say America is a racist country. America is a genocidal country. America
00:25:21.520
was never great. And then it's bizarre to me for, to see some of the people who get mad about
00:25:26.560
this also turn around. And they're like, actually, you know, when you visit Normandy and these
00:25:31.540
French people are all super grateful that you helped liberate their country, like shouldn't
00:25:35.420
have done that. That was, that was bull crap and a waste of time. It was evil that we did
00:25:40.680
that. Churchill is the most evil person in world war two for causing that to happen.
00:25:46.400
And you'll even see that. Like it's, sometimes you'll see that you, you have, you probably run
00:25:49.960
into those people who think like Abraham Lincoln was a bad guy. Cause he like suspended
00:25:52.560
like suspended habeas corpus run into them. They're radical libertarians all the time.
00:25:56.600
You know, radical idea. I am glad America got rid of slavery. I I'm very pro Lincoln and
00:26:03.060
therefore, and I'm pro Churchill and the Claremont people, by the way, are very pro Lincoln, pro
00:26:08.100
Churchill because they believe that they embody the great man theory, which is that you have
00:26:13.080
these times of climactic history that require prudence, judgment, and valor. And sometimes the
00:26:20.120
rules are kind of suspended, but the fruit is civilization. Yeah. And that's why Washington,
00:26:25.760
Lincoln and Churchill are revered in like the Claremont. Yeah. And just, you know, this,
00:26:29.860
this is where, this is where, and Tyler, you and I were chatting about this earlier in the chat and
00:26:34.660
we get into this a ton in unhumans. And actually I talked about it when I was on Tucker, um, regarding
00:26:40.620
Stalin's role in world war two, that's just constantly overlooked. And the fact that no, he was running
00:26:47.940
schemes and machinations behind the scenes, just as much as everyone else. You people seem to think
00:26:52.660
that Stalin was just this like, Oh, woe is me. This, you know, this terrible operation Barbarossa
00:26:57.380
just randomly happened for no reason. And no, no, he was just as complicit as, um, as Hitler in many
00:27:04.580
cases in starting the war. And it just on that instance is what I'm talking about. And in the
00:27:10.380
further conduct of it, there's, I mean, there's, and there's so many different takes, you know,
00:27:14.040
people do the sort of alternate histories and they kind of do the whole, like, well,
00:27:18.520
and I remember during the cold war, people would say, well, what if we had just let Hitler and
00:27:21.680
Stalin fight each other and hash it out, et cetera. But, you know, at the same time, if you're,
00:27:27.560
you know, if you're from that part of the world, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, guess what? Every time
00:27:34.540
Germany and Russia rumble, that's your hometown, that's your village. This is something like going
00:27:40.440
back and visiting my family over there or my wife growing up in, in that part of Belarus and being
00:27:46.300
from there. It's like, these are all, you know, interesting, I guess, ideological questions for
00:27:51.340
people or, you know, it's, it's kind of like a parlor game almost. And that's honestly, that's,
00:27:56.420
that's probably my biggest, um, my biggest beef with how glib they, these people are when they talk
00:28:03.400
about it. And it's like, do you understand these were people's homes, that these are people's villages,
00:28:08.000
that there were children that were involved in this thing, that there were just, just absolute
00:28:12.900
horrors and atrocities that went on where Americans, we are so blessed by the way. And it gives you kind
00:28:20.520
of an understanding of why our ancestors decided to come here, because we are so blessed by these two
00:28:24.880
massive oceans that we have on our sides. And we should be blessed by two equally as strong borders
00:28:31.360
to our North and South to keep us safe from all of the crap that has gone on in the past.
00:28:37.800
And you look at the Ukraine war that's going on right now, it continues to go on, the bloodlands
00:28:42.200
continue to go on, the blood fuse continue to happen. And I'm not trying to, you know, people
00:28:47.600
are going to say, Oh, he's making moral, I'm not making moral equivalents. I'm just pointing out
00:28:51.480
that it's very, it's very glib. I think the whole thing is, is, is very glib to say, Oh, well, this guy
00:28:58.720
should have done this, or this guy should have done that. And, and look, you know, from my perspective,
00:29:03.000
you know, as, as a guy who comes from, from Polish descent, that certainly we need to examine
00:29:08.840
Stalin's role more as much in terms of getting the war started without question.
00:29:15.740
So yeah, want to play another piece of tape here, Blake, why don't we consider navigate
00:29:19.560
All right. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I just let me scroll up and check the numbers we have.
00:29:22.700
Um, how about we do, uh, 74? I think part of it, I, like I read about Churchill and he
00:29:37.200
strikes me as a psychopath. Um, but he's also a sort of, I mean, he was a drunk. He was very
00:29:43.640
childish in strange ways. People would talk about how as an adult, like at, you know, as
00:29:48.620
prime minister, they'd find him in his room and he's like playing with action figures
00:29:52.660
like war toys and army men and stuff. And we'd get mad when people would, uh, would
00:29:57.080
interrupt him, you know, when he was doing this, this is a strange, strange fellow, you
00:30:01.820
Okay. First of all, I'm going to defend his honor on that one. That, that sounds awesome.
00:30:06.880
Uh, hold on. It's like, this is, this is so unfair. I'm, I'm a big Churchill guy. I don't
00:30:12.120
know everything about him. Okay. Yes. He, he'd loved liquor. Okay. It's an interesting argument
00:30:17.280
whether he was a drunk or not. There's, there's like wildly different Dr. Arn says he was
00:30:20.620
not. Just so we are clear, Dr. Arn is the greatest living Churchill historian. You know
00:30:26.140
that he understood, studied under Martin Gilbert without his name, right? Sir Martin
00:30:29.760
Gilbert, who was like the Churchill guy for like a decade. Go ahead. And he says, no,
00:30:35.560
he was not. So an interesting one was the last line is the big popular Churchill biography
00:30:39.700
of William Manchester and William Manchester's version. He said he believed Churchill like was
00:30:46.940
a drunk, but like held his liquor well so that he, you know, could function anyway. And
00:30:51.380
then he dies and volume three of his biography is completed by a different guy. And one of
00:30:55.160
the funny things about it is this second biographer reaches a totally different conclusion. And
00:30:59.120
he says, the evidence is Churchill always had alcohol with him. So this gave the perception
00:31:05.180
that he was a drunk, but he just kind of said guy probably actually drank it pretty slowly.
00:31:09.980
So like he was maybe perpetually buzzed, but not, not truly a drunk.
00:31:14.300
So hold on. But as long as we're into kind of the substance thing, Hitler was not exactly
00:31:18.500
sober. Hitler was on meth all the time. Dude like is a tweaker.
00:31:22.200
I know. So just if it's only for introducing substances of World War II characters.
00:31:27.040
Also, Hitler was a vegetarian, which is vastly more messed up than playing with action figures.
00:31:32.740
Totally agree. Synthetics. He was, I mean, who knows what was in that guy's system?
00:31:37.040
Yeah. So secondly, the action figure thing. Okay. I think that's kind of hilarious. No,
00:31:43.760
I just want to be clear after listening to this again, I don't know the totality of Churchill's
00:31:47.980
life. It is true. He lived paycheck to paycheck. He was terrible at saving money. He always like
00:31:52.940
spent what he had, but you know, he kind of grew up in affluence. He was born in Blenheim palace,
00:31:58.340
born into royalty, just kind of, he always figured money came to him, which was kind of true,
00:32:02.980
but I just understand the objection. He, okay. He bombed the black forest.
00:32:07.740
Oh yeah. They complained about that at one point. I just explained to the people watching.
00:32:12.200
Can I, can I interject on the, the alcoholism thing? So Babe Ruth, you know, I, I just recently
00:32:18.720
just got like really obsessed into Babe Ruth and like his personal, he was like a horrible
00:32:24.000
dude, like a horrible, like it didn't, didn't do, he was the same thing was not, you know,
00:32:32.340
Babe Ruth is the real villain of world war two.
00:32:34.340
No, but it goes back to the great man theory, which is there are heroes in society that are
00:32:38.720
necessary. And there are some character flaws that are many character flaws that most will
00:32:44.120
have, but they, they do something, they move something in society. That's really important.
00:32:49.400
So anyways, I, I just wanted to mention that. So that's, but then I just understand like
00:32:55.580
these, these seem like very surface level critiques like, Oh, you know what? He was a
00:32:59.660
little drunk. I know he saved Western civilization and kept, you know, common law together and
00:33:05.120
defeated the, you know, megalomaniac of the 20th century, but he, he liked vodka too much.
00:33:10.240
Really? I mean, is that. And figured out how to make Joseph Stalin, the number two, arguably
00:33:15.980
the number three guy in the world. I just, I like, again, I say this as somebody who loves
00:33:22.580
Churchill. I've signed, I've signed Churchill stuff in my office, but if there's a criticism
00:33:26.320
about Churchill, I'll receive it. I'm not an apologist, but is this the best? I think the
00:33:31.240
truth, if you wanted a strong argument against Churchill and like you can easily, yeah, you
00:33:35.300
can easily criticize him. What I think was true, what is true in the critiques, Churchill
00:33:38.540
did love war. Like he found war exciting, kind of like life giving in a weird way, you know,
00:33:44.480
and that's actually an understandable thing. I thought I had when the COVID lockdowns hit,
00:33:50.200
I was still at Fox with Tucker's show then. And I remember having the feeling and I recognized
00:33:55.520
it was kind of a dark feeling at the time, but like when lockdowns hit, I had the sense
00:33:59.700
this is bad yet. I found it really exciting in the sense that I was in the midst of like
00:34:06.100
a great historical event and our show was at the heart of that. So like we could shape
00:34:11.000
how that historical event unfolded and that, you know, it felt exciting in the same
00:34:15.400
way. I bet for some people elections. Invading Iraq feels exciting. Exactly. Or to Susan
00:34:21.160
example, that's going to happen anyway, the election, like, you know, I'm really amped
00:34:25.120
up about the election. We actually have a chance to shape things. Yeah. Like this is
00:34:28.360
like, you know, it's super momentous. The fate of the world might hinge on this
00:34:33.160
election and, you know, we get to play our marginal role in that. And that feels kind of
00:34:38.220
amazing. It makes it exciting to get up. And Churchill admitted about this, like, oh yeah,
00:34:43.560
like I'm in this big war. That's exciting. And I think you could also say he was probably
00:34:48.860
prone to excesses that come from when you get into the midst of war. So one of the things
00:34:55.460
he complains about is like after Hitler, after Churchill takes office as prime minister, Britain
00:35:02.060
had not rounded up that many Germans in the country. Like there were 60,000 Germans in Britain,
00:35:07.560
I think. And they'd arrested 500 of them. And after they lose in France, he says, yeah,
00:35:13.300
we have a, we might have a spy problem, arrest everyone. And they arrest every single German
00:35:17.280
in Britain. And so they freak out about this and they're like, and they sent them to, guess
00:35:22.540
what, Charlie? They sent them to concentration camps. Now they pick this word very deliberately
00:35:27.980
because we use concentration camps to describe what the Nazis did. But there's an important
00:35:32.540
difference. The reason the Nazi concentration camps are bad is not because they concentrated
00:35:36.940
people in a spot. It's because they shot people, gassed people, hanged people, like worked
00:35:43.560
people to death, tortured people, did bizarre medical experiments. They did evil stuff at
00:35:48.820
their camps. That's why they're bad. It's not that you're in a camp. Like any prison is
00:35:54.060
a concentration. Yeah. Not a prison. So yeah. Okay. They arrested everyone. And then within
00:35:59.540
a year, 90% of them had been released because they realized they overdid it. And did he arrest
00:36:05.120
Oswald Mosley a like fascist British guy without a trial? Yeah, he did. Should he have done
00:36:11.940
that? Probably not. But in this grand scheme of the biggest war in the history of the world
00:36:19.320
against a total genocidal lunatic who has conquered all of these countries and plunged the world into
00:36:27.740
the abyss? Is it like, why are you choosing to get butthurt about this? And that's, that's kind of
00:36:34.280
why we're talking about this at length is yeah. I think the biggest one, by the way, though, and
00:36:40.780
maybe you were going to mention it, but that people do bring up and I think it's, it's, it's fair,
00:36:46.720
by the way, to talk about afterwards. So we, we had the discussion a couple of weeks ago about one on
00:36:51.560
after another Tucker interview, when he brought up the question of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima,
00:36:57.980
Nagasaki targeting civilian population centers. And I think we also pointed out during that episode,
00:37:03.360
and I'll, I'll bring it up here again, that yes, there were strategic bombing campaigns,
00:37:07.720
area bombings that were conducted over French, French cities and villages, German cities and
00:37:14.160
villages, many cases that they knew they knew were going to target civilian population centers. And this
00:37:21.160
was done by the allies, by the Americans and the British, and then of course, to Japan as well.
00:37:27.840
And so they were specifically done to break, you know, break the morale to, to break the backs of
00:37:35.260
the people who were fighting to break their support. And so this has been something that the Royal Air
00:37:39.560
Force and others have people have brought up again, I would just look in the list here, Hamburg,
00:37:44.860
Dresden, Cologne, et cetera, that this is a huge, a huge thing, you know, civilians dying in war is,
00:37:50.440
is always a question. This came, would come up later in the Vietnam war with the use of actual
00:37:55.360
firebombing, by the way, the use of napalm. And so, you know, there are certainly things you can
00:38:00.840
debate, right? There are certainly things that we can sort of look back, but again, like you have to
00:38:06.560
do that within the, you have to put it in, in its context. That's all I'm saying. You have to put it
00:38:10.700
in its context of what you're, what you're pointing out here, that this was the most massive war
00:38:16.100
that was ever waged in world history. And it also, a final, maybe a final point on this,
00:38:21.520
it emphasizes the importance of wars naturally bring people to excess. It radicalizes people.
00:38:28.200
It makes people desperate. It makes people get extreme. It builds up all of, you know,
00:38:33.420
these severe grievances against people. You know, it's like the Syrian civil war. The Syrian civil war
00:38:38.080
starts with the moderate rebels. And by the end, it's ISIS and all these lunatics, like cutting
00:38:42.800
people's heads off. That's what war does. And so that is why you should not do wars. And we should
00:38:49.720
try to avoid war. And in World War II, there is a person who was the aggressor throughout every
00:38:55.680
single phase of the war. And it wasn't Churchill. It was Hitler. And this has relevance to today. So
00:39:02.020
people like, you know, the Gaza war that's going on, is there stuff where like, oh, you know, people get,
00:39:07.860
where civilians die. That's bad. And it's to be avoided. But I think when you're going to look for
00:39:13.640
ultimate blame, you have to look at who took a situation that was peaceful and said, this isn't
00:39:19.920
good enough. I'm going to smash it to bits and start this giant war. And that's why we can say
00:39:24.200
Hamas are clearly the biggest bad guys in Gaza, because there was a peaceful situation and they
00:39:29.700
blew it to bits. Similarly, who's the biggest villain in World War II? It's Hitler. Because on August
00:39:35.740
31st, 1939, there wasn't a World War II. And the next day, World War II happened. And who chose to
00:39:41.600
make that happen? A bad guy named Adolf Hitler. Okay. I'll always buy what Kurt tells me to. Do we
00:39:46.840
want to go to debate prep? Or do we want to go? Charlie, can I ask you one quick question on the
00:39:51.220
last topic? Have you been to the Churchill war rooms? In Britain? In London. Yeah, you can then go to
00:39:57.720
his command rooms. No, I have not. No. They're really cool. If you're into Churchill or just history in
00:40:02.820
general, you've got to go. No, I'm, yeah, I have nothing. Charlie, have you ever worn a bowler hat?
00:40:09.180
Have I ever worn a bowler hat? Because Churchill did. You like gladiator movies, Charlie? I love
00:40:15.220
gladiator. Yeah. I love gladiator. All right. Yeah. So we could either talk, it's obviously the NFL
00:40:20.880
is starting tonight, or we could talk about debate on Tuesday. Well, so let's just ask a question. Are
00:40:27.680
you guys excited for the NFL season or is it just like too woke for you to watch? I feel like I've,
00:40:31.780
so I started off when I was a kid, I was a fanatical fan of the NFL and like, I would cry
00:40:36.780
when the Packers lost and it would just like, oh, 2000, 2007, I think was the one that was
00:40:42.880
like really weighed on me. That was when Brett Favre was still there. Yeah, it was Brett Favre
00:40:46.360
and then he loses the last game on a pick and I was like all super sad about it. He threw
00:40:50.460
as many touchdowns as interceptions. Yeah. Yeah. You know that. So I used to get really, I lived
00:40:54.340
and died by this. And then when the Anthem protests started happening with Kaepernick around
00:40:58.960
2016, I disengaged. I, that's, I also did the same. I thought this is dumb. I, I'm going
00:41:04.020
to prove that I'm not like ruled by cockball or whatever they started calling it then.
00:41:09.060
And so I actually had a whole year. I didn't really watch it too. And it helped. Of course
00:41:13.820
the Packers were bad. And now I think I'm in a healthy spot of football is a fun thing that
00:41:19.480
I can watch, but it's sort of lame to care about it too much. Brett Favre actually visited
00:41:24.600
South Dakota in 2019. I'm trying to get him on the show. Oh, that'd be great. But Brett
00:41:29.020
Favre's cool. But I saw when I went there, just to finish the story, I went there and
00:41:33.220
there were all these men who were like substantially older than me and they were still, it's Vikings
00:41:37.620
fans here. So they were still really upset about that Packer, the Vikings Saints game where
00:41:42.140
Sean Payton had, that was terrible. That was dirty, but that was the NFC championship game
00:41:46.780
I think, right? They were really angry about it. Like he does a Q and A and these guys who
00:41:50.620
are 45, 50 years old are livid. And Favre himself is, he's like, you know, I know coach
00:41:55.540
Payton. I don't think he meant, you know, to, I think he's a friend of mine. I don't
00:42:00.940
think he meant to hurt me like that bad. And you know, it's, it's totally under the
00:42:03.860
bridge. And they're like, these guys are just seething over this and just a sport where
00:42:09.960
men throw a ball and are played millions of dollars to do it should not make you that
00:42:15.460
angry. But the Vikings, I never won a Superbowl. That's why they never will. You think
00:42:19.760
so? Never. Childhood me believe that like God in his heavens has decreed the Vikings
00:42:27.140
will never win a Superbowl. And I still believe that. 15% of Blake takes are hilariously wrong
00:42:31.980
when he's like, yeah, 2024 is going to be a boring year. Trump gets shot, Biden replaced.
00:42:38.340
We're not even done yet. Yeah. And Vikings will never win a Superbowl is one of the 85%
00:42:42.360
that are 100% correct. If I'm not mistaken, the Cardinals never won a Superbowl, right, Tyler?
00:42:46.240
Uh, depends on. Not, not, not, not transfer. I'm talking about in Arizona. That's a bunch
00:42:50.480
of. Yeah. In Arizona. No. Okay. No, you can't inherit the Superbowl from Chicago. Well, it
00:42:55.200
was, yeah. I mean, you had Chicago and the United States. It wasn't a Superbowl. It was
00:42:58.780
like they had a, they have a BS title. They basically stole from the Potts. It was the
00:43:02.780
world championship. It was 1925. They didn't even have a title game yet. It was just best
00:43:06.720
record and they didn't play the same number of games. And all these don't see the Superbowl
00:43:11.420
era. They stole it from the Packers. The Packers won the first one. The Packers won the first
00:43:15.000
Superbowl. You know, my, my wife, Erica is from the Lombardi family. Really? Is that
00:43:18.820
right? Seriously? Yeah. That's her mom. Her mom's a Lombardi. Literally crazy. Isn't
00:43:23.880
that insane? That's right. Like how, how close, like is she like, like direct bloodline, like
00:43:28.160
lineal descent from Vince. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. We've all like all this Packers
00:43:31.720
stuff at our, uh, at our house. I didn't know that. Whoa. That's interesting. And
00:43:35.320
that is why I'm from a huge bears family. So I don't know. Well, you know, the bears
00:43:39.560
have won a Superbowl, but 1985 best team ever assembled. Yeah. And they've proved me
00:43:44.920
wrong. Best NFL football team ever assembled. You know, that might be true. Yeah. Thank
00:43:51.840
you. It might be true. And they didn't win another one. You know why they never won
00:43:55.900
another one? Jim McMahon. Uh, yeah. Because Jim McMahon got body slammed by a psycho Packer
00:44:00.600
and probably, you know, that was disgraceful. Jack agrees. Jack agrees. It was the greatest
00:44:04.380
NFL team ever assembled. 85 bears. Uh, I actually have in my eighth grade, in my eighth grade
00:44:11.440
yearbook, I actually have a reference to the 85 bears from, of course, my favorite Saturday
00:44:16.200
night live, um, sketch of all time. The bears, the, the, yes. And the bear this give out
00:44:22.620
you how crazy good the 85 bears were. We have not won a Superbowl in 40 years. And it's
00:44:27.440
still the only thing that like middle-aged, mildly overweight men in Chicago still talk
00:44:32.920
about is the 85 bears. They're like, you'll remember when go bears, go bears. Um, so coach
00:44:40.380
what a certain name that starts with a D ends with an A and has icky in the middle. I've got
00:44:48.360
the, I've got actually the Mike Dick, uh, uh, sweater vest. Oh, isn't it the best? I have
00:44:52.440
my closet. So, so the teams that never won a Superbowl, Arizona Cardinals Falcons, by
00:44:57.440
the way, the Falcons ties into our previous topic. Can you, can you talk about that?
00:45:01.100
Wait, what if the Patriots just surrendered at halftime when he's mad? Yeah. Like he's
00:45:05.900
just like, why doesn't Churchill give up? Churchill didn't have a way to win. Like, yeah, it's
00:45:09.960
just, I can imagine like this Falcon seating. You're just like, why didn't it was 28 to
00:45:15.020
three, 28 to three. That still is the greatest. That's not, no one's ever come back that
00:45:19.580
amount that you're supposed to not, you have to make the, you know, they were offering
00:45:22.880
them to shut it down. All right. So I have a, I have a good question for the group. Let
00:45:26.300
me list this. Okay. Cardinals Falcons, Bills, Panthers, Bengals, Browns, Lions, Texans, Jaguars,
00:45:32.180
Chargers, Vikings, Titans of that list. Who will be the first one to win a Superbowl? They've
00:45:36.060
never won a Superbowl before. Bengals. They lost, they lost a couple of years ago. They have
00:45:40.720
Joe Burrow. In the current structure and the current, the composition of the teams, probably
00:45:46.000
the Bengals are the best chance. I haven't looked at the, I think the Lions. I'm going
00:45:49.900
to say Lions. I think, I think coach Dan, like that's his name. He always looks like
00:45:54.380
he's ready to fight somebody. That guy, he seems to like, they're true believers in
00:45:58.320
him. He seems like a good coach. I think the Lions could win it all this year. Did they
00:46:01.640
have such momentum that I think they're ready to break the curse? Their offensive coordinator
00:46:06.280
was offered a coaching job and he said. Detroit's the second odds. So Lions and then Bengals
00:46:10.920
right after the Lions. So Lions is plus 1200. No, Chiefs is number one, aren't
00:46:14.660
things? I think he means of the teams. Well, I'm talking of the teams you just
00:46:16.680
listed. Oh yeah, okay. So Lions, Bengals, Bills. Bills are losing their edge, man. They
00:46:23.640
had so many chances. Josh Allen is too Favre-esque, I think, for modern NFL. And the Texans, are
00:46:28.660
the Texans on that list? Yeah, they've never won. No, no, no. Yeah, the Texans used to be
00:46:31.980
the Oilers. So it's just like, the other team. No, no, no. The Oilers are now the Tennessee
00:46:35.960
Titans. The other team, along with the Vikings, that will never win is the Cleveland Browns.
00:46:41.020
They have one. No, they have one. They're right. They have one. You're right. They've
00:46:45.640
never even been to one. But this is the order right now in Vegas. I don't think the Vikings
00:46:48.960
have ever been to one. No, they've been to four. The Vikings have been to four and lost
00:46:52.040
every single one. No, no. It's not as bad as the Bills, who lost five in a row. Four
00:46:55.920
in a row. Four in a row. Get it wrong every time. Four in a row. Can you imagine? It's
00:46:59.400
Chiefs, 49ers, Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Bengals, Bills, Texans, Packers. And you know what's
00:47:06.000
great about being a Packer fan, by the way? We're like the only team that's not subject
00:47:09.260
to this extremely terrible NFL policy that they're going to let private equity buy stakes
00:47:13.840
in teams. Are you an owner? No, I'm not. I am not dumb enough. No, one of our staff
00:47:19.600
members owns. Yeah, but okay. So don't insult this model. Look, it is cool that the Packers
00:47:24.800
are publicly owned, but owning a piece of Packers stock, if you are not one of the OG
00:47:29.620
people from the 60s, is a scam. No, it's not. It is a scam. You don't get tickets. You get
00:47:35.260
into the lottery for tickets. I think you have. You can get into the lottery for tickets
00:47:38.300
just without being an owner. Yeah, if you want to pay like three times markup. And
00:47:41.900
in any case, the waiting list is now so long that if you register your child, maybe their
00:47:46.100
child will be able to get it after they die. I think it's amazing. That's so cool. That
00:47:49.300
this like very small, moderate, like boring Midwestern town has this powerhouse NFL team.
00:47:55.860
The only right you get for buying Packers stock, the only right you get is you get to go to the
00:47:59.820
shareholder meeting, which they hold in Lambeau Field. It's amazing. And they all vote.
00:48:03.560
Okay, that's cool. It's cool. But you don't have real voting power. Actual controlling
00:48:07.520
voting power is with the people from the 50s and 60s. Yeah, but it's politics. It's
00:48:11.780
democracy. You know, they used to play Milwaukee. Yeah, yeah. And they have green and yellow
00:48:16.080
days. Yeah, yeah. Because of the old Milwaukee. They have green and yellow days where the green
00:48:20.220
is all the rules and the yellows are. I might get mixed up. But like all the ticket holders
00:48:24.160
in Milwaukee have yellow holding days and green ones. And so when it's like Milwaukee, it's
00:48:28.680
all a bunch of libs that go up and then it's green. It's like all Trump country.
00:48:31.760
Yeah. Since you're a Bears fan, you might not know this. Did you know that teams are
00:48:34.820
allowed to like be good for more than one season in their history? For the record, we
00:48:39.520
were in a Super Bowl against the Indianapolis Colts in 2008, I think. And 2006 season.
00:48:46.320
So I think seven would be the year it happened. Hey, the bear. No, I think it was the Super
00:48:52.120
Bowl would have been 2000. Can you guys check me? I think it's the 2006 season. 2007 is
00:48:57.240
when the Patriots go 18 and one. I would put money on this. This would be I will put
00:49:01.640
money on this. It's not second. It was the Super Bowl. $100. February 2008. Now I'm
00:49:06.880
going to put money on it. $2,700. That was the Cardinals. 2008 was the Cardinals and
00:49:10.440
Steelers. Check it out. Are you sure that was 2008 season? No, no, no. It's the Super
00:49:14.880
Bowl happened in February 2008. Check it. Oh, check it. Super Bowl. Blake's can owe me
00:49:22.300
$100. I just looked at this. I'm pretty sure. Sunday 2008. It was February 4th, 2007. The
00:49:30.900
Indianapolis Colts defeated the Chicago Bears 29 to 17. Are you sure it was 2007? 2008
00:49:36.140
was in Arizona. 41. Look it up. 2008 was Arizona. That was the crazy game. I'm pretty
00:49:41.400
sure it was 2008. No, that was the Patriots and Giants crazy game. That was the perfect
00:49:45.520
Patriots year, I think, right? Sadly, I have like encyclopedic knowledge of like this
00:49:48.980
period of NFL history. No, that's all fake. It's all been rewritten. Yeah. It's an alternate
00:49:53.420
timeline. It was 07. It was 07. That's going to ruin my whole day. Like I just, everything's
00:49:57.600
ruined. Man, J.D. Vance must be a Bengals fan. That has to be hard. What NFL team do
00:50:03.220
you hate the most? Oh, Vikings. Dallas Cowboys. Oh yeah. You know what? Cowboys are so easy
00:50:08.500
to hate. It's not even close. Why is every Cowboys fan like a five foot six Mexican with
00:50:13.940
long jean shorts? No, that's like the actual, the interesting thing with the Cowboys is like
00:50:18.800
they are very national. Like, well, there's an explanation actually reasonably for this.
00:50:24.440
It's the same thing with the Dodgers. They're like the America's team, right? I've heard Mexico
00:50:29.780
likes the Steelers a lot. No, because there was for a long time in American history, there
00:50:34.660
was a massive gap between basically Texas and California. And so the Cowboys gobbled up basically
00:50:43.820
all of Western United States until California. Because there were no football teams even in
00:50:49.280
California that were longstanding and well respected. So all Western United States, basically
00:50:55.400
the Cowboys were your team before those other teams. That makes sense. Also, they had such
00:51:00.120
a run in the 90s that it just became America's team. Well, but before that, like my dad's a
00:51:04.740
Cowboys fan. What? Because there were, everyone in Arizona were Cowboys fans. Austin's entire
00:51:10.400
family. Everybody, everybody that lived in Arizona was a Cowboys fan by default. The, so the Titans,
00:51:17.500
the Vikings, you'd hate the Vikings. The Vikings are just sort of, you hate the Vikings more
00:51:21.740
than the Bears. The thing, yeah. So the thing is the Vikings are more consistently competitive
00:51:25.680
than the Bears. And they're also just kind of a fun butt monkey to make fun of because
00:51:31.000
their history, like you can make, and in fact they did make like an eight part documentary
00:51:35.620
series on the Vikings, many failures. The Bears is just like, oh, here's their 87th quarterback
00:51:41.540
of the last three seasons. And they're like, oh, Jake Cutler just managed to throw the ball
00:51:47.680
for 3,200 yards and 12 touchdowns, thereby cementing the greatest offensive season by any
00:51:53.860
Bears quarterback in history. Do you think, um, so of this list, Lions, I agree. The Bills
00:52:02.320
are losing it. The Falcons, man, that's such a sad story, isn't it? Well, it depends on your
00:52:07.160
point of view, like the Falcons. So remember, I don't hate the Falcons, but I will be appreciative
00:52:12.100
that in the 2017 Superbowl, this is right after the 2016 election, the media basically
00:52:18.200
decided that the Falcons were the Lib America team because they represented Atlanta. Yes.
00:52:24.120
They were like, you know, the blue city in a red state. They were, that's why I was cheering
00:52:28.620
for the Patriots. And they were like, they kind of made it a race thing. Like they represented
00:52:31.800
black America. And then like the Patriots were the white team. It was very bizarre. Even though
00:52:35.560
they're from Massachusetts. Yeah. So they're from this blue state, but on the other hand,
00:52:38.480
Belichick, Belichick wrote a letter endorsing Trump. Yeah. That was private. That's right.
00:52:42.260
And then I just love this story that the Trump campaign asks him, can we release this? And
00:52:46.360
he's like, Oh, Oh, you want to release it here? Let me rewrite the letter to be more effusively
00:52:50.740
positive. Like I didn't want to suck up too much in private, but I'm going to suck up to
00:52:55.660
the max in public. That's so funny. Oh, it's such a great story. I was there when Trump first
00:53:00.700
read the letter at a New Hampshire rally the day before the election. I was with, I was traveling
00:53:04.160
with Trump that night. We almost won and he just got out. He just got on Instagram. I'll never
00:53:08.820
forget that. The moment I realized, the moment I realized like it could happen, there were two
00:53:13.580
things that I'll always stick out with me. My friend who was doing poll watching in New Hampshire
00:53:17.600
just tells me like Blake, we're getting, we're getting these random hunters from rural New
00:53:24.880
Hampshire who haven't voted in 12 years and they're coming out. And like a lot of them are coming
00:53:30.060
out. I remember that. And then I also remember seeing Ross Douthat tweeting. This was like at
00:53:34.680
the exact moment her odds peaked on the New York times dial for Hillary. And he's just like, you
00:53:39.080
know, I'm looking at the map guys and I just don't, Florida doesn't seem that bad. Like it seems like
00:53:42.980
the rural numbers are really good. And that's the exact moment. It just starts swerving the other
00:53:47.000
way. Always remember it. So you can find my tweet. I owe Blake a hundred bucks, which I will pay.
00:53:52.880
And then, um, I will give somebody $25 if they can find my tweet from 2016 of my day before election
00:54:00.660
tweet that I predict my prediction. If you could find it, no one ever gives me credit for this. I,
00:54:07.020
I, what I predicted the day before the election. Do you remember this? And I got so much hate the day
00:54:12.620
before. Um, and I, cause I was traveling with the campaign and I was like, I think Trump's going to
00:54:20.060
win. I think he's going to win Michigan. And people came after me like, and I put it by the
00:54:23.080
way, in writing, publish the tweet. It was the day. I've got it. I've got it. November 7th,
00:54:27.560
2016 final prediction, like $125. This is great. This is one of my better days. Yeah. You got to
00:54:33.720
put that. That's really impressive. Final prediction, Michigan going red bold, but it could happen. You
00:54:38.380
heard it here first. And then, you know what you also did? You predicted that Wisconsin and
00:54:43.220
Pennsylvania would be blue. I know you didn't believe enough. Charlie, I didn't get the whole map,
00:54:47.260
right. But I did call a traitor. You abandoned Trump. That's how I called Michigan though.
00:54:51.860
That's pretty legit though. Yeah. We had done there. We had done, you know, I think I called
00:54:55.860
Michigan too. I think my final map, we had a contest at the daily caller and I got very
00:55:00.940
close to the actual electoral vote total, but I was off in the States. I gave him Michigan.
00:55:05.320
I think I did Michigan, New Hampshire, Nevada. So my map is almost the same as yours, but I
00:55:08.960
had Nevada too. I got to get Blake on like an auto pay of Venmo at this right at this point.
00:55:12.660
I'm just kidding. So NFL season, who do you guys think is going to the Super Bowl?
00:55:19.560
I'm going to be cheering for and pulling for the Lions. I agree. I think, I think Lions
00:55:24.760
are great. You've given up on the Bears already. Look, it's, it's, it's fruitless at this point.
00:55:28.940
I mean, we're going to be disappointed. Caleb Williams is like a Terry's ACL in the third
00:55:31.500
week or something. Are you really going to be, is disappointed the word you want to go
00:55:34.140
for here? If you're like, I mean, was there hope? Not really. I just, have you had hope
00:55:39.500
since like Brian Urlacher retired? Oh, I love, I like him actually. He's such a sweet guy. He's
00:55:43.380
super conservative. He lives in Arizona, by the way. He's a really right wing. Um, I'm, I'm hoping
00:55:49.100
that the Bears actually have a surprise season where I don't think they're going to go to
00:55:52.360
football is better when the Bears are good. Yeah. Cause I mean, first of all, they're one of the
00:55:56.560
most loved franchises and you have one of America's biggest cities is on fire. We've just been
00:56:00.620
those like dormant football beast for like the last 20 years. You want that. I mean like enough
00:56:06.540
of this, like, by the way, Kansas city, like, okay, there's only so much population base there.
00:56:09.980
It's the same, like a hundred thousand people that go to the games. Like, okay, great. Fine.
00:56:13.400
Terrific. Like we, we, the, the teams I want to see suffer Dallas Cowboys cannot stand them.
00:56:20.560
Um, I don't sleep on the dolphins, by the way. I think the dolphins are gonna be really good.
00:56:23.960
I mean, dolphins put up 70 on a team last year. That was a tag of Viola is the real deal. I'm
00:56:29.420
telling you that guy can ball. I could not have pronounced that name. I'm telling you CJ Stroud,
00:56:34.140
the Houston Texans, if he stays healthy, will be one of the greatest quarterbacks
00:56:37.840
in NFL history. Texans are going to be good. I'm really pulling that, uh, the Cardinals
00:56:42.640
figure it out this year. I think no, we got to get rid of Kyler Murray. I think it sucks.
00:56:46.120
We're going to see. We're going to see. We're going to see. He sucks. Marvin Harrison,
00:56:49.560
Jr. He's legit. He's legit. They should sign him for a 20 year contract. He's really good.
00:56:54.360
It was a, it was a good Kyler Murray's the most overpaid, overrated person. We also have
00:56:58.740
some good other, other guy, our tight end Trey McBride, I think is gonna be really
00:57:01.320
good. So we'll see. I'm pulling for the Cardinals. Oh, and I'm calling, I'm pulling
00:57:04.860
for the Broncos to go 500. Bo Nix. Yep. Bo Nix. Let's think of the other teams I hate.
00:57:10.000
Oh, I want the New York Jets to do well. I have like more teams I'm cheering for than
00:57:12.980
I'm not. Jack is saying we should each like do a quick like map prediction of the election
00:57:16.980
if we want. No, we're not doing it. We're not. No. All right. Jack, you've been quiet
00:57:21.760
for some time. How are the Eagles doing? Well, so the Eagles lately, the biggest thing
00:57:27.100
this week was this whole thing with the Kamala Harris ad, like the fake, they claimed was
00:57:32.960
a fake ad that went up. I don't know if we have the image saying that Kamala Harris is
00:57:37.700
the official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles. And this was going up at at least one
00:57:42.680
bus station in right in like center city, Philadelphia. And it had the website on it.
00:57:48.900
Um, I think it was like Philadelphia Eagles.com slash vote. And it had a picture that's sort
00:57:53.400
of like animated picture of Kamala Harris, uh, in, in an Eagles, uh, Jersey and Eagles
00:57:58.420
helmet. And the Eagles put out the statement saying, Oh, well, you know, it's, it's, it's
00:58:03.680
not her. It's not going to be her, et cetera. This is not approved. But then there was a
00:58:08.600
guy who, uh, and we got it. What was his name? The mole. He was Christian Molar who said
00:58:15.080
in the comments, because so this other guy who's a Trump supporter from Philly went over
00:58:19.700
and started like plastering over the Eagle, over this, this quote unquote fake ad. And
00:58:25.300
then Christian Molar, a Twitter user and, you know, shout out to Laura Loomer for catching
00:58:30.460
this, by the way, that said in the comments, how dare this guy cover up an official ad or
00:58:35.660
cover up an ad like this. And if you don't like it, that's too bad. And people are like,
00:58:40.160
wait, who's this guy saying it's a real ad? And it turns out that he was the, the director
00:58:44.460
of team relationships for the Eagles and actually worked at the Eagles for like 25 years. So
00:58:51.320
as someone who would be very well within the know of actually knowing whether or not this
00:58:56.780
was a real ad. So he's subsequently locked his Twitter account and it's become this sort
00:59:01.280
of like whole firestorm as to whether or not this guy had potentially actually approved
00:59:08.660
I have no sympathy for the Eagles and I hope they lose every game and that they sell their
00:59:19.440
You want to bring back the Stegals? Do you know about this story?
00:59:22.200
I don't know. I think the Eagles might be one of my most hated franchises.
00:59:27.460
No offense, Jack. In World War II due to budget shortages, the Eagles and the Steelers temporarily
00:59:33.720
merged into one team that they called the Stegals.
00:59:39.440
I think it's more the fans than it is the actual team.
00:59:47.200
But this Kamala thing this week, I want to get answers. I need answers from Jack.
00:59:51.080
Like Jack should not again, by the way, like if people, if people want like an understanding
00:59:56.420
of who Posobiec is, just understand that I grew up as a Philadelphia sports fan. So like
01:00:05.500
Why is this Kamala ad? I need answers on this Kamala ad who produced it, how it got out there.
01:00:11.120
This is going to go down like the pipe bombs in Washington, DC, the RNC pipe bomber.
01:00:14.860
So we're tracking down. I've already got, I've already got people that are looking to this
01:00:20.060
guy's family because it turns out that this Christian Molnar guy is also from Norristown,
01:00:24.380
Pennsylvania, which is the exact same town that I'm from just outside Philly. So we're tracking
01:00:29.540
him down. Christian Molnar, stay tuned. You don't know who's going to be reaching out
01:00:33.280
on Facebook. Could be one of those people. Oh, John Fetterman was right all along.
01:00:39.280
Every time I hear the Eagles, I think of them. I don't get how they couldn't just make him
01:00:52.640
like, that's clearly the smartest Eagles fan in human history. So they should have made
01:00:56.680
him like the head coach or something. No, he should be the official candidate of the
01:00:59.720
Philadelphia Eagles. It should be Fetterman, official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.
01:01:05.060
He's not even from like the Eagles part of Pennsylvania. That's what's so disingenuous.
01:01:09.700
So he's from decidedly sealers territory. So, so help me just really quick. As we wrap up
01:01:14.520
here, Blake, I think the NFL is kind of getting its mojo back. It's a thing now that has a lot
01:01:20.140
of dominance. It has more chatter. Would you agree? It really took a nosedive in 2020 and
01:01:24.900
people thought like, Oh, football's going down. It feels bigger than ever. It really is.
01:01:30.260
The NFL is like, it's like state run religion. It's just the perfect sport. It really is.
01:01:36.500
It's like unkillable. It's just, it's so like, but am I right? The only way they can screw
01:01:40.580
it up, frankly, is I think if they, if they just get too greedy, like they keep wanting
01:01:46.280
to add more games on more days, Brazil or like, what are you doing? I don't mind the
01:01:51.340
Brazil thing. You know, you do one game here, like every, have every team do one game overseas
01:01:55.860
while you've got this 17 game season. So then everyone's eight and eight and then one international
01:02:00.100
game. I think that's fine. But I think where they're really kind of taking risks are they
01:02:05.860
what you'll see a few things. One, they'll try to put games on too many days. And kind
01:02:11.040
of one of the things the NFL has is they've just basically made Sunday, like, you know,
01:02:15.300
there's only two days. You go to church and Wednesday are the only days that day. Yeah.
01:02:19.200
Well, yeah, now, and it's making it worse and worse. We have a Friday game now. Like
01:02:22.640
it should just be a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you go to church Monday, you go watch
01:02:27.000
football or you just watch football, you know, depending on your point of view. And then
01:02:30.480
there's a Monday night game. If you're an obsessive and they, them colonizing that one
01:02:33.700
day a week actually is like the perfect level of dominance without it drowning everything
01:02:37.360
out. And the other thing is the NFL is the last thing that's on normal television. And
01:02:44.820
where I could see them screwing up the golden goose is they let a bunch of games go on
01:02:52.540
Peacock or Amazon prime or Netflix or something stupid like that. And suddenly too many NFL
01:03:00.800
games are on some bullcrap subscription service that you have to buy rather than just on normal
01:03:05.300
TV. And I think that's how you ruin it. You make the NFL too exclusive. The tickets are already
01:03:11.460
really expensive. Like you never really go to an NFL game anymore, unless you just love setting
01:03:15.740
tickets on fire. And I think that is setting money on fire. And I think that is the long-term
01:03:21.300
hazard, but the actual sport is so good. They've kind of, they got through the political harrowing
01:03:27.180
period. You can actually have a right wing player again, and it's not the end of the
01:03:30.760
flipping world. Uh, they got, they got, they survived all of that. They have pretty likable
01:03:37.120
stars. They, I feel like players even get arrested a bit less than they used to progress.
01:03:42.900
It's it's a, and also college football is screwing it up. Sorry, Charlie, I've got bad
01:03:49.200
news. College football is dumb now. I know it's not college. I just don't get the whole
01:03:55.500
like, like, Oh, the great amateur sportsmanship when every single player is this mercenary
01:04:00.420
for hire on a one-year contract for whatever booster. It was an inevitable thing. There's
01:04:05.640
no other way to do college football in the modern social media era. And with the Supreme
01:04:09.740
court decision, we should just blame the Supreme court, Blake, blame the Supreme court. I
01:04:13.340
just with name image, like, I'm going to make people really mad. I just, I think college
01:04:17.580
football has outlived its usefulness. It's now, now it mainly exists to be like, we can't
01:04:22.580
fix our schools because then it would screw up the heck and football team, man. That's
01:04:26.080
been that way for 20 years, but it's worser now, much worser. Is that a word? Worser?
01:04:31.320
It is now. Yeah. I was going to say the Dartmouth grad is using good grammar. It's probably
01:04:35.160
a word. We have to go. Um, thank you guys. So final Superbowl picks. I think the bears
01:04:41.160
will not win. I want the lions to win. Blake, I'm going to go total Homer. Jordan loves going
01:04:47.600
to, going to pull it all together. He's overrated. We'll get our one Superbowl win that we get
01:04:51.560
with each of our hall of fame quarterbacks, and then he'll be the quarterback for the next
01:04:55.140
18 years. And then he'll go play on the jets for a year. And then the Vikings Tyler. Oh man,
01:05:00.220
I would love to see a lions jets, uh, Superbowl, man. If we could live through something like
01:05:06.040
that, I understand, but like, just like some miraculous thing happens, you know, is Aaron
01:05:11.660
Rogers going to play Monday? Yeah. Are you sure? That's why I'm told he'll play on Monday
01:05:16.220
and they're playing the Niners. They're playing the Niners and the guy who injured him in the
01:05:22.060
first game last year is now on the Niners. How funny would that be? Are you kidding me?
01:05:26.860
I believe it's the Niners they're playing, but whoever it is, the player who injured him
01:05:29.480
is on the opposing team again, a lions jet Superbowl would be great for America. Did he play in any
01:05:34.480
preseason games? Uh, no, but like he didn't play in preseason in green Bay either. Rogers doesn't
01:05:38.900
like playing. Yes, he does. He's such a baller. I want to meet that guy. I want, I want to be
01:05:43.940
like Darren Rogers on my list is someone I want to be friends with. You're not here. He's a really
01:05:47.320
bad person. If he just comes in, all you have to do is when he shows up, you say, you know,
01:05:51.080
you're shorter than I expected. And he gets like really butthurt about this. If you say that,
01:05:55.020
is he shorter? Is he not? He's not that tall. He's actually pretty, he's like six, three or something,
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but people kind of sometimes expect these NFL players to just be gigantic. And, you
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know, he's not like a super, he's not a linebacker. Well, the internet says he's six
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two. I know. By the way, did they fix my height yet on Wikipedia? They did. That's
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amazing. Our PR campaign worked. Isn't that hilarious? We ridiculed them. That is so funny.
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They say you were, they said I was six one and now they say I'm six five. Yeah. That is
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so funny. All right. Very happy for you. Jack, you want the Eagles to win?
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Birds, birds all the way, green gang. But of course I do also have to say,
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let's get back to our scenario time, folks. Bears versus the assembled choir of heavenly angels.
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The whole choir. Yeah. You know, the star from the jar from the whole nine yards,
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angels, angels, but it's close. And then they cut to Chris, Chris Farley. And he's got that giant
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Stein of beer. And he's just like, bears. The bears. We'll see. We'll see what Caleb Williams
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is made of. Not, not, not Superbowl. In the next decade, Bo Nix will win a Superbowl. God
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bless guys. See you soon. Enjoy the NFL. America's better when sports are on TV. Talk to you soon.