Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 77 — Islam and the West？

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00:00:21.000 Welcome in. We have the gang. We have Blake. We have Tyler. We have Jack.

00:00:25.360 And as I should say is, Anshallah. Happy Ramadan. 0.98

00:00:30.000 Wait, we don't honor that around here. And we never will.

00:00:35.080 Blake, what is Ramadan?

00:00:38.160 Ramadan is the holy month in the Islamic calendar.

00:00:42.640 You can't say a specific time it is because they use a full lunar calendar in Islam,

00:00:47.440 which is a bit shorter than the Gregorian calendar.

00:00:50.620 So Ramadan was in, I want to say, July or June a decade ago.

00:00:54.480 It's worked its way all the way back to March.

00:00:56.340 I think it moves by like a couple of weeks a year or so.

00:01:00.000 And so it'll soon be in winter. Those will be very chill Ramadans.

00:01:03.380 Because during Ramadan, if you're a devout Muslim, you cannot eat and you cannot drink anything, 1.00

00:01:08.660 even water, while the sun is up.

00:01:10.960 While the sun is up.

00:01:12.300 And I think...

00:01:14.300 But that, so it gets harder.

00:01:15.860 It's a harder Ramadan in March than it would be in November.

00:01:18.920 Yeah, in the Northern Hemisphere, of course.

00:01:20.660 Yes. So, but there's been cases, remember when Enes Cantor and some other Muslim basketball players,

00:01:29.320 they literally didn't eat all day.

00:01:30.920 And then they had to like try to eat and drink stuff right before the basketball game.

00:01:33.780 Yep, exactly. It can get really crazy.

00:01:36.400 Obviously, it can get really extreme if you're one of the, as we'll be discussing soon,

00:01:39.580 one of the many Muslims who've moved to like, for example, Sweden, high up there in the,

00:01:46.000 near the Arctic Circle, you can get to where your day, you know, when it was in summer,

00:01:50.720 for example, you'll be having a Ramadan fast that's, you know, 18, 19, 20 hours long.

00:01:55.840 If it goes full 24 hours, the Islamic law is you follow Mecca times. 0.93

00:02:00.220 So does that mean that as it keeps moving towards winter, that we're going to see more Muslims move northern? 1.00

00:02:06.240 Yeah, yeah. Now, yeah. Now you'll have a Ramadan fast that's like, you know, freaking three hours. 0.86

00:02:10.800 So Alaska is going to get like conquered by the Muslims because they can eat all day? 1.00

00:02:14.340 Yeah, yeah. Just go chill out. Chill out in, you know, Fairbanks and be like, yeah, this is easy.

00:02:18.880 This came up for me when, when we were at Guantanamo.

00:02:21.320 So the detainees, you know, we had to obviously observe Ramadan when they were, you know, when they were being held.

00:02:29.300 And so, yeah, that's closer to the equator rather than further away.

00:02:32.300 But it was also like, yeah, off of Mecca time, as you say, Blake.

00:02:36.460 And then also it was that you couldn't, basically you couldn't, you know, you had to sort of like leave them alone completely.

00:02:42.660 I can't get into too much, but you had to sort of leave them alone until after night.

00:02:46.960 And so, or after, you know, after sunset.

00:02:49.080 So basically my entire schedule flipped from, you know, dire and all to nocturnal.

00:02:56.040 So basically it meant I was working night shift all during Ramadan because everything was completely off limits in the detainee camps during Ramadan.

00:03:03.460 And so who was, who was the prisoner at that then, Jack?

00:03:06.040 And who was, who was the prisoner during that month, right?

00:03:09.980 And you have to wonder like, who's actually, that the question is who actually ends up being the prisoner and who ends up being the warden?

00:03:15.680 Yeah. And you know, a funny thing about Ramadan is it's, so it's fasting during the day, but if you've, you know, been around some of the restaurants, you may know they tend to feast at night.

00:03:24.840 And so there have been studies indicating that even though it's a month of fasting, the average Muslim gains weight during Ramadan because they're, they're pigging out every single night and they put on some pounds. 0.99

00:03:34.740 I, uh, I'm no fan of Islam, which is what we're going to talk about, but I do kind of admire religious structures that forgo the flesh. 0.92

00:03:41.860 Fasting practices, I do actually have a soft spot for, I'm not saying I have a soft spot for Islam.

00:03:48.200 I just say, I just do think that more people involving in the limitations of indulgences is generally good.

00:03:53.980 It's respectable.

00:03:54.380 You know, Charlie, there's actually a Christian tradition that is remarkably similar to what you're describing.

00:03:59.120 What, you mean Lent?

00:04:00.220 Well, Lent is very important and should be embraced, but it's not as extreme as not drinking water.

00:04:06.800 You know, the orthobros, though, the orthobros in Great Lent, it's pretty extreme.

00:04:11.860 They go like full vegan in, in orthodox, uh, and they do 47 days, so they, they don't take Sundays off.

00:04:18.160 And it's basically, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but, uh, I believe it's all animal products completely.

00:04:25.960 Wow.

00:04:26.480 And Blake, what were you going to say?

00:04:27.860 Similar thing.

00:04:28.600 Like, yeah, orthodox Great Lent is, uh, no, no oils, no meat, no dairy.

00:04:36.560 So you're basically down, you're almost, it's almost like a diet of like bread and vegetables is kind of what you're encouraged to.

00:04:41.860 And I think if you're sufficiently, you know, if you're, if you're going hard at it, I think you're supposed to abstain from sex as well, even if you're like married.

00:04:49.240 Interesting.

00:04:49.760 Um, so there's a lot of, uh, stuff that piles into that.

00:04:53.120 Oh, so Blake, you're doing great Lent then.

00:04:54.940 Yeah.

00:04:55.220 And then similarly, uh, like Catholic Lent was more intense.

00:04:57.940 Like the traditional Catholic Lent was no meat, all of Lent.

00:05:02.380 And they totally like gone softball on that where it's only on Fridays.

00:05:07.620 And that used to just be the norm any Friday all year long.

00:05:10.700 And in theory, it was like, well, you're supposed to, that's where you kind of got people saying they give up stuff for Lent.

00:05:17.760 It was sort of, you can replace the no meat thing that's universal with a choose your own adventure approach to Lent.

00:05:25.080 But I feel like that, that's, that's a cop out.

00:05:27.620 You actually want things that are expected of everyone because that's what encourages people to actually do them.

00:05:32.080 And it used to be, uh, significant enough.

00:05:35.180 That's where the Filet-O-Fish came from, at McDonald's.

00:05:37.780 I don't know if I ever told this on air.

00:05:39.580 I can't remember, but my grandma was super Catholic.

00:05:42.860 Every Friday, no matter what it was, even beyond Lent, was that no meat on Fridays.

00:05:48.220 Let's go!

00:05:49.740 That's all.

00:05:50.240 Let's go!

00:05:50.800 I was raised in that kind of a culture.

00:05:52.160 I was.

00:05:53.380 No meat on Fridays.

00:05:54.540 Yeah.

00:05:55.260 And there, there, there's a very rich Christian fasting tradition, uh, that, like, Wednesdays,

00:06:01.860 were, I think, and again, some Orthodox still do this, but I think historically, Wednesdays were sort of a semi-fast day.

00:06:08.820 Uh, you would have so many more fasts, uh, Lent, or not Lent, uh, Advent was also, is also like a fasting period, as intended to be.

00:06:17.140 There's a very rich Christian tradition of fasts and abstentions throughout the year that were very strong.

00:06:24.100 LDS, you guys do fasting, what, once a month? 0.98

00:06:25.900 Mormons are weak. 1.00

00:06:26.760 We only do once a month. 0.99

00:06:28.200 But it's a 24-hour fast?

00:06:29.300 24-hour.

00:06:29.820 No, it's big.

00:06:30.180 It's supposed to be 24 hours.

00:06:31.300 So it's 12 fasts a year.

00:06:32.320 Right.

00:06:32.680 Is it just food, or is it water, too?

00:06:34.760 Uh, it's supposed to be everything.

00:06:35.960 Okay.

00:06:36.280 No drinking, no water.

00:06:37.020 See, the no water's tough for me.

00:06:38.300 That's the toughest.

00:06:39.000 For 24 hours, though, you can make it.

00:06:40.460 No Jell-O?

00:06:41.220 But they would always, like, people would always, like, hawk the, like, the water fountain at church, because it's always on Sunday.

00:06:47.260 They're like, like, oh, bad Mormon, drinking the water fountain, you know. 1.00

00:06:50.760 I feel like they could just turn it off or something.

00:06:52.260 Chewing, yes.

00:06:52.680 Like, deactivate the water.

00:06:53.480 I know.

00:06:53.700 The no water thing is, that's tough.

00:06:55.140 I drink an extraordinary amount of liquid, as you could tell.

00:06:58.360 Like, I mean, I have, like, three gallons of fluid a day, and no water stuff.

00:07:03.020 I've been drinking a lot lately, too.

00:07:03.960 It's good for you.

00:07:04.580 It gets all the toxins out.

00:07:05.580 It's great.

00:07:05.880 I'm so much happier.

00:07:07.160 Blake is some sort of camel.

00:07:08.600 Charlie, are you still doing the last time you drank this?

00:07:10.300 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:07:12.280 More caffeine.

00:07:13.100 Since I started drinking more water, and obviously with this, but since the election, I lost a lot of weight from it.

00:07:19.180 It's incredible how it works.

00:07:21.300 So, all respect aside, though, we've been having this discussion offline a lot lately, because we've been seeing, you know, obviously there's more Muslims in the West than there ever were when we were growing up, certainly more than a century ago.

00:07:35.220 And the trends indicate that will continue.

00:07:38.060 And we now kind of, so we have the open debate is, is Islam compatible with conservatism, and is Islam compatible with Western civilization as we understand it?

00:07:51.460 And we especially are talking about this because a politician in Australia recently described Australia's approach to freedom this way.

00:08:01.020 Let's play clip 296.

00:08:02.820 There's been some that have been agitating in the parliament to nullify the laws, to remove them off the statute books.

00:08:11.020 Think about what kind of toxic message that would send to the New South Wales community.

00:08:14.920 And I think the advocates for those changes need to explain what do they want people to have the right to say?

00:08:21.120 What kind of racist abuse do they want to see or be able to lawfully see on the streets of Sydney?

00:08:27.820 I recognize and I've fully said from the beginning that we don't have the same freedom of speech laws that they have in the United States.

00:08:34.080 And the reason for that is that we want to hold together a multicultural community and have people live in peace, free from the kind of vilification and hatred that we do see around the world.

00:08:44.760 That is, I mean, so what he's saying is we have to further chisel free speech laws so that Muslims aren't offended.

00:08:53.300 So multicultural, but that's who's, they've been having those arrive in Australia far more than there were in the past. 1.00

00:08:59.380 Yeah, much larger numbers because they have immigration from India, immigration from Africa.

00:09:02.840 And it's very funny how he's like, we do this because we're multicultural, unlike the United States of America.

00:09:10.780 I know, as if we're not multicultural.

00:09:13.020 They also have the huge Indonesian influence.

00:09:15.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:15.700 Which are all Muslims. 0.99

00:09:16.460 Yes, they're all Muslims.

00:09:18.780 Overwhelmingly so.

00:09:19.740 And so we have that, we of course have that in Britain.

00:09:22.260 We have European countries considering blasphemy laws.

00:09:26.420 And part of this is, you know, Islam, they do have a tradition of taking their blasphemy more seriously, which you could say is admirable, but it's also, okay, guys, like we have a history of freedom of speech. 0.91

00:09:38.020 We have a history of freedom of religion.

00:09:40.040 And unfortunately for all of you, freedom of religion includes the right to say that the Prophet Muhammad was not an admirable guy.

00:09:46.380 It's the freedom to say Islam is bad. 0.97

00:09:49.180 And we have societies that are passing laws against this.

00:09:52.880 And I think we're going to be having more discussion of this because what you especially see now is there's almost a, there's a take in certain factions of conservatism in the U.S. that like, I'm sure, you know, Jack could describe this too, that Islam is based basically.

00:10:10.020 I remember a few years ago there was that meme, Islam is right about women, which was done to short circuit liberal brains because they can't criticize Islam. 0.74

00:10:19.360 But you're also basically saying that Islam being anti-women is a good thing. 1.00

00:10:24.080 So it was, it was trolling the left, but you'll just also hear people on the right say, you know, unironically, oh, you know, Islam is more socially conservative.

00:10:31.640 They have more marriages.

00:10:33.140 They're better in these ways.

00:10:35.200 And I think we're going to see people say we should align with them more overtly, or you might even see some people are just going to join Islam.

00:10:43.480 They'll say, I want to join a religion that's not cucked. 0.97

00:10:45.880 Especially in the black community. 0.99

00:10:46.680 Yeah, I want a religion that's not cucked, a religion that's not gay. 1.00

00:10:50.000 I'm not going to see, I don't think a lot of white people are going to join Muslim Islam. 0.98

00:10:53.140 I don't know, that ad.

00:10:54.420 I said a lot, not some. 0.95

00:10:55.600 That ad that Charlie tweeted out was pretty gay. 0.96

00:10:59.420 It was a pretty gay ad. 0.97

00:11:00.720 Okay, okay. 0.81

00:11:01.480 So let's play that out.

00:11:03.040 All right, let's play 293.

00:11:04.840 Hey, hello, boy.

00:11:10.420 As-salamu alaykum, sister.

00:11:11.920 What are you doing here?

00:11:13.460 What does it look like I'm doing?

00:11:15.800 I'm studying the art of patience.

00:11:17.400 You can't eat for another four hours.

00:11:20.500 Oh, Ramadan. 1.00

00:11:22.180 The month of patience.

00:11:23.380 All right, well, first of all, there's bacon on that burger.

00:11:26.960 Yeah, it looks like a bacon burger.

00:11:28.700 No, first of all, I'm concerned.

00:11:29.880 It definitely looks like bacon.

00:11:31.280 Maybe it's like beef bacon?

00:11:32.600 I don't know.

00:11:33.080 No, this just came up and was served to me.

00:11:35.220 This kid is obviously an actor, by the way.

00:11:36.460 No, I'm upset because for some reason, I'm getting served these ads on Instagram.

00:11:41.780 What's in your algorithm?

00:11:42.660 I don't know.

00:11:43.360 My algorithm on my For You page on Instagram?

00:11:45.860 Well, think about it.

00:11:46.180 Tyler, what have you been looking up?

00:11:48.840 Hyper-masculine content with fast food.

00:11:53.200 I don't look at fast food for women. 1.00

00:11:55.460 Tyler Abu Bakr.

00:11:57.360 Tyler, you have to go on a Mormon Lent for this.

00:11:59.680 Mormon Lent for Tyler.

00:12:01.100 I want a Lent for Instagram.

00:12:03.480 I want to know the algo recipe that got Tyler caught in a Canadian Ramadan burger. 0.50

00:12:09.660 I know.

00:12:10.640 Wait, so we've got Canadian Ramadan versus Mormon Lent here. 0.83

00:12:15.100 No, I was so offended because it was just Canadian. 1.00

00:12:18.620 I didn't care about the rest of it.

00:12:19.720 I'm like, I don't want to serve Canadian ads. 1.00

00:12:21.840 Like, this is crap. 0.99

00:12:22.260 No, it's much deeper than that. 1.00

00:12:23.720 It's much deeper.

00:12:24.860 Was it like a Tim Hortons ad or something?

00:12:26.700 Gosh.

00:12:27.480 We have too many Canadians in Arizona right now. 1.00

00:12:29.240 Just because you did bring up, since you did bring up, you don't think we'll see people

00:12:33.280 in the West convert to it.

00:12:34.500 A lot of whites.

00:12:35.660 For sure.

00:12:36.140 But let's play.

00:12:36.860 This is out of the UK.

00:12:38.040 Did you say a lot?

00:12:40.160 Let's play clip 291.

00:12:42.100 I'm PC Paul.

00:12:45.320 I've been a police officer here for 16 years.

00:12:48.620 And in January, I reverted to Islam.

00:12:51.020 I started studying the Quran and I started to look into Islam.

00:12:58.040 And it's just such a wonderful, wonderful, peaceful religion.

00:13:01.480 In a period of five months, I've read the Quran twice.

00:13:07.080 I've not missed the prayer.

00:13:08.640 Young people, they'll come to me and they'll say, Paul, because I can say to them, are you

00:13:12.040 praying?

00:13:12.960 Because I know I'm praying all the prayers.

00:13:14.900 And it's nice because they'll come and say, actually, now we're praying.

00:13:18.040 So, 100% of it, it works together.

00:13:20.860 Like, I can rub off on them and they will inspire me and they'll rub off on me.

00:13:24.140 I can't even understand.

00:13:24.800 People have asked me, why did you choose Islam?

00:13:31.380 And my answer is, I didn't choose Islam.

00:13:35.020 Allah chose me.

00:13:36.140 Allah chose me.

00:13:37.140 Okay.

00:13:37.380 So, is that like a BBC propaganda film or something?

00:13:39.340 I think it was an Islamic community center.

00:13:41.200 It's a few years old.

00:13:41.940 I just remembered it when we were going to do this topic.

00:13:43.940 No, this is propaganda.

00:13:45.080 Now, I've actually seen something really frightening recently.

00:13:48.080 There are a bunch of...

00:13:49.800 Again, Instagram.

00:13:51.360 It's on your algo.

00:13:52.980 So, I'll go through this.

00:13:54.340 There's influencers who are saying positive things about the Quran.

00:13:59.120 Oh, no.

00:13:59.440 That's been happening for a while.

00:14:00.160 Oh, boy.

00:14:00.660 I know.

00:14:00.980 But I've seen the uptick recently.

00:14:04.040 White influencers.

00:14:05.540 So, the bigger they can... 0.91

00:14:08.040 Islam can spread through importation or conversion.

00:14:11.180 Those are the two big ways.

00:14:12.460 And the West has primarily been taken over by importation.

00:14:15.580 Agree right, Blake?

00:14:16.400 Yeah.

00:14:16.980 It's very heavily driven by immigration.

00:14:20.340 Whites are far more likely to fall victim to secularism than Islam.

00:14:25.500 On balance, yes. 0.54

00:14:26.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:14:27.220 Vast majority balance. 0.99

00:14:28.340 I don't care about this weird lunatic. 0.97

00:14:29.920 I can't understand.

00:14:31.280 But if that starts to change, I will happily adjust that statement.

00:14:36.520 What Blake said, though, is very important.

00:14:39.340 And, Jack, I want you to respond to this.

00:14:41.760 For young...

00:14:42.340 Islam speaks to young men that are very displeased with a hyper-feminized culture. 0.91

00:14:49.060 And they're very upset with how feminine the American church has become.

00:14:53.440 And how female-centric it has become.

00:14:57.300 Which is so emotion and compassion and no more about reason and people's sensitivities.

00:15:01.520 How, Jack, do you respond to somebody in good faith that says,

00:15:05.740 Jack, why shouldn't we either convert or be open to Islam or be friendly with Islam? 0.99

00:15:11.300 There's no abortions in Islamic countries.

00:15:14.180 There's no transgenderism in Islamic countries. 0.59

00:15:17.120 There would be no drag queen story hour in Islamic countries. 1.00

00:15:20.120 How would you respond to that, Jack?

00:15:21.580 Well, I mean, there's a few examples that I can point to.

00:15:26.180 But, you know, obviously, it's just this.

00:15:28.740 Is that Christianity has been central to the history and to the story and the development

00:15:37.160 of Western civilization really since the days of the Roman Empire.

00:15:41.420 Since when Jesus literally came, almost immediately he began having an impact in his area.

00:15:46.280 Then, of course, it spread throughout.

00:15:47.460 Blake and I did a whole series on this around Christmastime.

00:15:50.420 So the idea that we can just take a foreign, you know, a foreign religion and import it 0.97

00:15:57.360 into the West, it would completely change who we are, completely change our system of 0.99

00:16:01.360 law, completely change our institutions.

00:16:03.940 It would completely change everything that makes us us.

00:16:08.740 And it would do so in the name of, oh, well, they're a little bit more masculine than us.

00:16:13.820 And I would actually put that at the fault of the current heads of the church.

00:16:20.420 So in the United States, certainly the church in the West, Charlie, you and I have talked

00:16:23.700 about this for years at this point.

00:16:26.220 But, you know, when you when you look at it, there's a reason that actually my friend Joshua

00:16:31.740 Lysak, we did the we did the books together.

00:16:33.560 My co-author, he has a phrase for it.

00:16:34.940 He says there there's this brand of Christianity out there that's like Jesus is my boyfriend.

00:16:39.780 And it's kind of it's very feminine coded, like, oh, I'm in love with Jesus.

00:16:44.840 He's my boyfriend.

00:16:45.660 And you hear this in like a lot of music.

00:16:47.720 You hear it in a lot of sermons and homilies as well, where it's just very female coded, 0.97

00:16:53.200 very emotional.

00:16:54.340 It's all touchy feely.

00:16:55.500 And you never hear anything about condemnation of sin.

00:16:59.020 You never hear anything about the word hell.

00:17:03.480 Yeah.

00:17:03.980 So here's my theory.

00:17:05.900 My theory is because the father of the Godhead is the least emphasized part of the Godhead

00:17:11.640 of modern Christianity.

00:17:13.000 We have we have churches that focus on the Holy Spirit all the time.

00:17:16.260 We have churches that focus on Jesus all the time.

00:17:18.960 You rarely hear about God, the father.

00:17:21.260 And that's because a lot of people have father wounds and it's looked as being too patriarchal.

00:17:25.440 And I think the way that we combat Islam in the West is we speak about God, the father, 1.00

00:17:32.320 who is rules and order and discipline and regimen.

00:17:36.380 All three obviously are God.

00:17:38.860 The Godhead is the Trinity is incredibly complex topic that we don't have to get into today,

00:17:42.840 which we all agree in the in the Trinitarian God.

00:17:45.280 But God, think about how rarely you hear about God, the father.

00:17:49.640 If you were to talk open a random, even in Catholicism, which I have great respect for,

00:17:56.500 I would say that Jesus has definitely talked about even more than God, the father.

00:17:59.820 But the liturgy, fair enough, you know, talks about all three.

00:18:02.400 But let's just say you open up a random Christian sermon and it's even a good Bible based church.

00:18:07.280 Chances are they're not going to be talking about God, the father.

00:18:10.020 And when you have a generation and a country that is seeking order, that is seeking rules,

00:18:16.400 then talking about that portion of the Godhead, I think, is incredibly important.

00:18:21.480 Blake?

00:18:22.300 Yeah, I was I was thinking, as you said, about, you know, yeah, God, the father, the God of rules,

00:18:26.940 also like the God of judgment, a thing you're not going to see that you'd see in medieval Christianity all the time

00:18:32.020 is, you know, images of the last judgment or images of just judgment in general.

00:18:36.780 Even that that can even come, I think, through through Christ.

00:18:39.780 So have you ever seen the been at the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in D.C.?

00:18:44.820 Incredible.

00:18:45.380 And it's got that right behind the altar.

00:18:47.320 I now try to go every time I go in D.C.

00:18:48.720 Yeah.

00:18:48.980 And see if you guys can bring up the interior of that.

00:18:51.460 The closest thing, I think, to a European style.

00:18:54.040 My brother just got my brother just got a little bit of trouble there because he was leading

00:18:58.140 a protest against the newly installed archbishop on Bannon.

00:19:04.020 I saw.

00:19:04.400 I haven't followed that story.

00:19:05.720 But I'm thinking of when you look behind the altar, if you guys can even zoom into that

00:19:09.900 a little bit, it's I think I think that's Jesus, even though it kind of looks God,

00:19:14.380 the fathery, but he kind of he looks very stern and this is yeah, this is and that's

00:19:20.300 an element of God that there is that God is merciful and God is forgiving.

00:19:23.740 But God is also the ultimate judge.

00:19:26.140 I once had a friend of mine in college who said, like, when I see that, like, I want

00:19:31.040 to, like, fall on my face and confess my sins because I face judgment.

00:19:36.980 And that's definitely an aspect.

00:19:40.900 We have a very touchy feely, like, emotionally resonant Christianity, you know, that Jesus

00:19:46.680 as your life coach.

00:19:47.840 Correct.

00:19:48.080 And that appeals to a lot of people.

00:19:49.800 But I don't know that it gives the level of strict order.

00:19:52.680 I completely agree.

00:19:53.680 And it's by the way, it's feminine is what it is. 0.99

00:19:55.300 It's because it's a young woman that doesn't want to be offended. 1.00

00:19:57.840 She's like, oh, you can't tell me anything wrong.

00:20:00.020 You know, so Jesus is my buddy.

00:20:02.880 Like, actually, God is there to judge you and God is there to tell you that you did wrong.

00:20:07.360 And they're like, oh, that drives people away from the church.

00:20:09.260 Well, actually, it didn't for 2000 years.

00:20:11.300 What you're doing is driving people away from the church.

00:20:14.080 This whole modern, sloppy, watered down, it's driving people to Islam is what it's doing. 1.00

00:20:18.840 The truth is, I think the great hack of Christianity is it is able to have all of those elements. 0.97

00:20:23.760 So it does have the forgiveness, loving element.

00:20:27.320 That's the beauty of the Trinity.

00:20:28.020 But you must moderate it.

00:20:29.340 You know, as we sometimes say, it's not that things that are effeminate or feminine are bad.

00:20:34.960 Of course.

00:20:35.380 Or the things that are masculine are always good.

00:20:38.100 It is that you need things in the balance.

00:20:40.920 And Christianity has historically had that balance.

00:20:43.680 And it's like out of alignment now.

00:20:46.440 And I think we'll see, like, if, yeah, as long as that void is there, like, if the perception is that Islam is the macho religion that is demanding of you,

00:20:55.480 you know, who's to say we couldn't see, you know, all those guys who are in Trende, Aragua or whatever, who currently they join weird, bastardized versions.

00:21:04.700 They are primed for Islam. 1.00

00:21:05.880 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 They're like the cult of, you know, the saint death and all of that. 0.98

00:21:08.920 My prediction is that Islam will find its way through Latino and black men in our hemisphere. 0.99

00:21:16.820 It will not – young white Christian men, I don't think, are primed for it. 0.93

00:21:22.600 But young Latino men that go into gangs, they are primed for Islam. 1.00

00:21:27.480 The whole – everyone's against you.

00:21:29.260 You just want to be strong.

00:21:30.740 Join Islam.

00:21:31.520 Talk, Blake, about how Islam has found itself in this very patriarchal way in the past.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, so obviously a lot of guys end up joining in prison, for example, and you could even say, like, in there, it might be an improvement.

00:21:45.580 Like, it's better to follow, like, the rules of –

00:21:49.000 Of praying five times.

00:21:49.580 Yeah, of praying five times a day, of fasting, that over, you know, like, total moral anarchy.

00:21:54.760 But obviously we prefer Christianity overall, and there's a lot about Islam that, you know, will – as we saw in that clip, you know, it's like a very peaceful religion.

00:22:03.080 Well, no, because in Islam, in contrast to Christianity, Islam rigidly defines a lot more of what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to live your life. 0.73

00:22:16.020 Rules for life.

00:22:16.720 There's a lot more explicit rules.

00:22:18.920 Christianity, it's almost like both a strength and a weakness. 1.00

00:22:21.720 The Bible doesn't really get into the details of, for example, what does a majority Christian country look like?

00:22:28.300 Correct.

00:22:28.540 We have vibes, we have instructions from Paul to individual communities of believers, because, you know, our scriptures stopped at the point where we were still an underground church of a few thousand people.

00:22:39.660 And we've reached the point where there are countries that have been Christian for over almost 2,000 years, and now our problem is, like, you know, we have the decaying of that. 0.97

00:22:49.100 We don't have a lot to go off of there.

00:22:50.620 But Islam is different. 0.98

00:22:52.320 Islam was a war leader, Muhammad. 0.82

00:22:55.380 He unites these tribes in Arabia, and you, from the beginning, have an Islamic society, an Islamic group that, from top to bottom, is Muslim.

00:23:06.580 And very shortly after his death, we start getting pretty strict rules on what Muslims are supposed to do.

00:23:13.040 I think we've talked about before.

00:23:14.120 Are you familiar with hadiths?

00:23:15.800 Well, the hadiths are like writings of teachings, right?

00:23:17.920 They're sayings.

00:23:18.540 I mean, I think it means sayings.

00:23:19.660 And it's a set of, they're extremely long, they're about as long as the Talmud, I think, of things that the prophet Muhammad said, or did, or how he reacted non-verbally to other people doing things.

00:23:31.780 So you'll have a hadith that is like, so-and-so did this, and Muhammad smiled and laughed when he did this, thus showing it was not bad. 0.79

00:23:38.600 And within this, you have certainly a ton of generic stuff, you know, this is how you, this is how you pray properly, this is how you cleanse yourself properly.

00:23:47.560 Some of them are kind of funny, just because this is humorous.

00:23:51.280 The hadiths, you have to be ritually cleansed to pray. 0.99

00:23:55.400 And someone says, if I fart, is that, does that make me unclean?

00:23:59.560 And the prophet Muhammad said, if you don't smell it and you don't hear it, it's okay. 0.98

00:24:04.480 If you, if you smell it or hear it, then you gotta, you gotta purify yourself.

00:24:08.160 But if it's silent and non-deadly, you're okay.

00:24:11.860 100% real.

00:24:13.000 But there's also serious ones.

00:24:14.960 There's no way that's real.

00:24:15.880 That is 100% real.

00:24:17.040 I have it bookmarked on my computer.

00:24:18.520 I'll look it up if you want me to.

00:24:20.460 Uh, I, of course I keep bookmarks of funny hadiths in my computer.

00:24:23.480 Of Islamic flag.

00:24:24.660 You have more.

00:24:25.520 You have a full page of this.

00:24:27.900 Literally, look at me.

00:24:28.980 I'm going to show it to you just to prove that I'm not making it up.

00:24:31.980 Funny history.

00:24:32.980 I have funny hadiths.

00:24:34.920 And I've got...

00:24:36.140 Maybe you need more subscriptions and less of this.

00:24:38.340 Do you see it there?

00:24:38.860 Do you see it?

00:24:39.600 Yeah.

00:24:40.260 Read it, Mike.

00:24:41.260 All right.

00:24:41.860 Okay.

00:24:42.260 You're calling my bluff.

00:24:43.420 All right.

00:24:44.320 So this is from the Ablutions, Wudu section of the Sunnah al-Bukhari.

00:24:50.960 Narrated Abad bin Tamim.

00:24:53.400 My uncle asked Allah's messenger, peace be upon him,

00:24:56.320 about a person who imagined to have passed wind during the prayer.

00:25:00.820 Allah's apostle replied, he should not leave his prayers unless he hears sound or smells something.

00:25:07.980 So this is all that hummus that they were starting to eat.

00:25:12.460 That hummus really starts to get the GI tract on.

00:25:15.600 Exactly.

00:25:15.920 I can't believe you don't have Netflix and you have this.

00:25:18.900 This is a weird...

00:25:21.740 This is a weird personless subscription.

00:25:24.500 But more seriously, the hadiths also have guidelines, for example, on how you wage war as a Muslim.

00:25:32.140 So we have hadiths that say the most honorable thing you can do as a Muslim is to engage in jihad for Allah. 0.95

00:25:40.240 And even though I remember after 9-11, they would say, well, jihad, you can have a jihad in your heart against the sins within you.

00:25:46.920 But if you read them, and there's hundreds of these, it is very clear they mean actually going to war for Islam. 0.93

00:25:53.720 There's examples where a woman says, I would love to be a warrior to go on jihad. 0.89

00:25:58.900 And he says, like, because your faith was so great, you will get to do this.

00:26:02.400 And it actually describes she sails to a foreign land and she just drops dead when she gets there.

00:26:07.740 And that's a great thing because if you die while on jihad, that's like an auto-paradise thing in the hadiths.

00:26:14.000 So it's not that she had to fight.

00:26:15.260 It's not that she had to die fighting, but that she just died while on the jihad journey.

00:26:20.040 And they even get into, they have guidelines for how you distribute war captives, which includes, like, slaves, sex slaves.

00:26:26.980 Like, this is all described in the hadiths in a very literal way.

00:26:32.880 And so, like, I like to point out to people is you'll sometimes hear Islam needs a reformation to make it more compatible with the West.

00:26:39.900 But as you would know, like, the Protestant Reformation, the belief is they're taking Christianity back to its roots before stuff was layered over it from paganism and so on.

00:26:51.740 And if you do that with Islam, you're going back to what the hadiths say. 0.99

00:26:55.760 You're going back to what is written down in our early scriptures.

00:26:59.000 And they have all of this in it.

00:27:01.200 And so to reform Islam in any other way, like, you actually have to say we need to just do the sort of, you know, gay liberal thing that Christianity has done where they just decide to ignore all of their scriptures. 0.92

00:27:13.860 So, Jack, what then do we, so let me ask you a question, Jack, if, let me be as provocative as I can here.

00:27:29.700 Would you, if you found out that there was a Republican running as a Muslim, how would that, how would you process that? 0.70

00:27:38.960 Well, if it was a Republican running as a Muslim. 0.83

00:27:43.740 Muslim running as a Republican.

00:27:45.420 Yeah. 0.75

00:27:45.920 Sorry.

00:27:46.280 Other way around.

00:27:46.820 Yeah.

00:27:47.440 They're not running.

00:27:48.500 A Muslim running as a Republican.

00:27:51.240 Yeah.

00:27:51.600 As a practicing Muslim.

00:27:52.560 So, the way that, you know, it's similar to, you know, I guess the way you'd say like JFK ran as a Catholic, right?

00:27:59.660 He ran as a, for president as a Catholic.

00:28:02.780 That, not in terms of the religion, in terms of the grammar.

00:28:07.240 That, that, that the way that you would look at it is to say, look, okay, these are the things we believe.

00:28:14.800 These are the things that we want.

00:28:15.880 These are the things that we're pushing for.

00:28:18.060 And, you know, you've got to leave it up to that.

00:28:20.220 You certainly have to leave it up to that district.

00:28:23.060 Here, here's the way I look at it, right?

00:28:25.080 This, because this really centers around the idea of integration and assimilation when it comes to, when it comes to migrants.

00:28:32.960 Because, like, Islam is not a Western religion. 0.92

00:28:35.900 Islam did not originate here naturally.

00:28:39.260 There's no history in Western civilization of it other than the invasions, the Turks, the Ottomans coming through, the Balkan history with this, Spain, et cetera, et cetera. 0.71

00:28:50.860 That's the history.

00:28:51.820 Barbary pirates, you know, you can talk about the Houthis right now in relation to the Barbary pirates.

00:28:55.700 That's been the history of, of the connection.

00:28:58.780 So my question would be is, is, can this be done, can it be done compatibly with what that clip the Australian premier was talking about earlier there?

00:29:09.360 These are our, this is our system.

00:29:11.320 This is our culture.

00:29:12.880 You are coming here.

00:29:14.200 You're bringing your own values and your own culture with, with you.

00:29:18.360 So are you doing so in a way that actually complies with the standards and mores of our majority culture?

00:29:26.060 Or are you going to turn around, like you see what happened on campus all the time, are you, are you going to turn around and say that our majority culture has to bend and has to accommodate and is mandated to have to twist ourselves in pretzels and, and turn, turn ourselves inside out to accommodate your minority imported culture? 0.84

00:29:46.760 So, I mean, I asked for a reason because I endorsed a friend of mine who's actually my family physician, Dr. Zudi Jasser, who's Muslim.

00:29:52.840 However, he actually speaks out more against Islam than almost any Christian will.

00:29:56.980 I mean, he will use the Hadith against Islam and he's like, we have to, his argument, and we're going to have him on the show soon, is we need to actively ignore like some of the more insane Mohammedan teachings and we need a reformation. 0.95

00:30:11.120 And so, however, he's an extraordinary minority, like he had a self-admission minority.

00:30:18.160 So I think you're right, Jack.

00:30:19.320 I think it depends.

00:30:20.720 And I got some hate.

00:30:21.720 Oh, Charlie, how dare you, as Tyler knows, endorse Zudi.

00:30:25.260 I was like, well, you know, I'm not going to apologize.

00:30:26.560 It wasn't that bad.

00:30:27.120 It wasn't that bad.

00:30:27.720 But, but I guess let's just talk more broadly.

00:30:30.200 Either anyone can take this, the, should we think, let's say if there is someone that's not like Zudi, let's say it's someone who is very religious, someone who's in a mom.

00:30:44.720 I can't think of it.

00:30:46.000 Or just, just someone comes in and they say, hey, you know, we're, we're doing this mass movement and we want to, you know, continue forward against all this stuff.

00:30:58.160 And we might agree with them on issues.

00:30:59.500 At what point do we draw the line of collaboration with Islamic fundamentalists?

00:31:05.000 It's kind of happening a little bit in Michigan right now, right?

00:31:08.100 It is.

00:31:08.500 Because you had so many that felt so detached because the, the left went so far into all these issues that they felt completely, um, sidelined in Michigan.

00:31:20.580 And that's why many voted, you know, a majority is what we're, is what we're reading in exit polling, supporting president Trump.

00:31:27.840 So it's, it's a great question to ask because I don't know the answer.

00:31:31.040 Because in Minnesota and Michigan, this is a real community-based issue of, of saying, hey, how do you engage, you know, the, the orthodox Muslim community in some kind of way here?

00:31:43.260 So Blake, I want your thoughts.

00:31:44.460 I mean, I, I'm torn.

00:31:45.440 I mean, during the election, I remember there were hundreds of young Muslim men that would come up asking for selfies, loving everything.

00:31:52.200 They hated my Israel stance, but they loved the whole vibe of what we were doing.

00:31:56.280 I mean, it's hard to kind of see them individually being, you know, the problem.

00:32:03.580 I look at things more broadly.

00:32:05.380 I think that when you import a macro ideology, you get a macro erosion of the culture.

00:32:12.720 And that is, that is irrefutable.

00:32:14.680 Yeah, I think, you know, maybe a helpful way to think of it is when we think of how we're often in agreement with conservatives in other pretty different countries.

00:32:23.780 Like, I mean, I'm almost thinking like conservatives in like Japan, conservatives in India, conservatives in Russia, like, you know, people who share our values in entirely different places that we can be aligned with them.

00:32:40.020 But that wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, we should merge our countries together or something.

00:32:43.420 And so with, you know, devout Muslims in the U.S., I think what we can say is if we agree on particular issues, we should collaborate.

00:32:54.380 But big picture, we don't want America to become a Muslim country, whereas they would probably regard that as a great thing. 1.00

00:33:02.400 Let me ask you, let me interrupt you.

00:33:03.720 Is it a stated goal of Islam to take over other countries? 0.86

00:33:06.900 It's certainly a stated goal to spread Islam, and they have a much, they have a richer tradition of both, I mean, just outright conquest in the name of religion. 1.00

00:33:17.480 And also, you can get documents like the Muslim Brotherhood has put out texts that basically say, you know, our demographic tidal wave is a way for us to expand our influence in the West.

00:33:31.460 And, you know, a notable thing that's worth knowing is there are prophecies in Islam that are expressly related to them one day conquering the West.

00:33:39.920 So this isn't just a general, you know, let's spread our religion because we love it.

00:33:43.820 It's that the Prophet Muhammad had, like, sort of prophecies that are recorded that, you know, one day Islam will conquer Rome.

00:33:51.880 It will conquer the Roman Empire. 0.97

00:33:53.480 And so for them, like, if you're a devout Muslim, there's a real sense of, you know, one day we will, you know, have the crescent over the city of Rome because we'll defeat the Christians. 0.87

00:34:05.500 And, again, that's just, it's a difficult thing for us to engage with because we don't favor that outcome.

00:34:13.540 But there are a lot of these guys.

00:34:15.620 Let's put up that chart with the numbers of what percentage of different European countries are going to be Muslim by 2050 if migration rates go.

00:34:24.660 Yeah, like, if we look at that, I think it's, like, Sweden's at 30% there.

00:34:29.100 They're at 30% now?

00:34:30.460 No, this is 2050 in, like, a high migration scenario.

00:34:34.240 When Ramadan is during the winter. 0.91

00:34:35.980 There you go.

00:34:37.460 Exactly.

00:34:38.100 And then you can see it's, like, 15% in Italy.

00:34:41.120 If Italy is 15% Muslim, that will mean the city of Rome itself will probably be 40% Muslim or something like that because they're going to cluster in the big cities. 0.99

00:34:50.400 We were just talking about Toronto the other day.

00:34:52.960 Toronto is, like, a quarter Chinese and, like, 15% to 20% Muslim.

00:34:58.580 Yeah.

00:34:59.080 I wouldn't be surprised if there are 10 times as many practicing Muslims as there are practicing Christians in the city of London.

00:35:07.220 Oh, without a doubt.

00:35:08.180 Yeah.

00:35:08.320 Well, and so the obvious way of looking at this is that a Christian nation becomes a secular nation, then that must import new people to sustain their materialism, so then they import Islam, and then it becomes an Islamic nation. 0.62

00:35:21.720 It goes in sequences.

00:35:23.420 Yeah, and it's interesting because we haven't yet seen a country that goes over that tipping point of it was a Christian country and becomes a Muslim. 0.53

00:35:32.160 The UK is awfully close.

00:35:33.420 It's so close.

00:35:33.960 The UK is getting there.

00:35:34.720 And France is close, too.

00:35:35.700 And France is scarily close, but it still isn't fully there.

00:35:38.400 The closest would be probably Lebanon, where it seems to have been.

00:35:41.640 Oh, Lebanon's, of course. 1.00

00:35:43.020 That's like a Muslim country now. 1.00

00:35:44.180 Well, Lebanon was, when it was created, Lebanon was majority Christian.

00:35:46.780 It was bad.

00:35:47.380 But for my wife is like one-fourth Lebanon.

00:35:51.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:51.900 And they ended up here.

00:35:53.200 Correct.

00:35:53.680 Yes, they did.

00:35:53.780 So that's not so much immigration.

00:35:55.640 That's a lot of the Christians left because they tended to be wealthier, so they emigrated.

00:35:58.920 And also Bay Ridge used to be the Paris of the Middle East.

00:36:00.740 Yes.

00:36:00.880 It was a gorgeous city.

00:36:02.020 And now it's the Paris of the Middle East because it's a giant slum. 1.00

00:36:04.680 It's awful.

00:36:05.520 Yeah.

00:36:05.740 So that begs a broader question.

00:36:09.340 Now let's, I wanted the whole episode on this because I, and there's, the other stuff

00:36:14.100 is, there's nothing else going on. 0.97

00:36:17.140 Why is it that Islamic countries are so crummy? 1.00

00:36:22.420 Now they might say, but Dubai, but Qatar. 0.98

00:36:25.320 So you got to reconcile that.

00:36:26.660 Is there one that's nice that didn't happen to be built on a giant pile of money that they

00:36:31.620 had to pay other people to dig up for them?

00:36:33.740 Yeah.

00:36:34.080 And realistically.

00:36:34.680 Okay, I, again, I'm not a defender of Islam, but I want, I want us to, I want us to go 1.00

00:36:40.720 through this because this is an important thought exercise.

00:36:43.520 So Turkey is not great, but it's not third world.

00:36:47.300 It's probably second world, right?

00:36:48.800 Yeah.

00:36:49.420 Lebanon used to be, but they were Christian.

00:36:51.100 Okay.

00:36:51.360 But the majority of Islamic countries are rather poor, very, very tribal, right? 1.00

00:36:57.820 Libya, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq.

00:37:00.260 And I want to flag something, which is, I think it would have a better explanation if

00:37:05.400 they were basically always that way.

00:37:07.280 But a lot of places that are not great in our Muslim countries now were once like the apex 0.99

00:37:13.320 of civilization.

00:37:14.600 Like Persia. 0.97

00:37:15.060 The Persian Empire ran the Middle East, was an innovative country.

00:37:19.060 Like there's stuff that they were hugely culturally influential.

00:37:22.320 Like if you were to say, what are the three great civilizations in maybe zero AD, you'd

00:37:29.700 probably say like the Romans, the Persians, and the Chinese in terms of their ability to

00:37:36.560 influence the world.

00:37:37.640 Like there's Persian stuff everywhere.

00:37:39.340 Persia gave us chess.

00:37:40.300 Persia gave us like a lot of mathematics.

00:37:43.160 There's, they had actually like a lot of, a decent number of inventions came out of Iran.

00:37:47.400 You've been to Iran?

00:37:47.920 I've been to the border.

00:37:49.260 Which one?

00:37:50.060 The Armenian.

00:37:51.140 Oh, you've been to Armenia?

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:52.240 I don't know you've been to Armenia.

00:37:53.380 Been to Yerevan.

00:37:54.320 It's beautiful.

00:37:54.880 I went to the Ararat region.

00:37:56.720 Oldest Christian country. 1.00

00:37:57.600 I had to see Mount Ararat.

00:37:59.320 The oldest church, Christian church in the world is at the base of Mount Ararat.

00:38:03.920 And that was like 200 AD, right?

00:38:06.300 Yeah.

00:38:07.540 Is the Ark in Armenia?

00:38:08.640 No, it's in Turkey, but the Ararat region is right on the border of Turkey.

00:38:13.840 And, and, and I took a, I took a taxi.

00:38:16.540 It was like the most dangerous thing I've ever done. 0.98

00:38:18.300 It was like the dumbest thing. 0.93

00:38:19.120 I got into Yerevan and took a taxi out to Mount Ararat. 0.97

00:38:21.880 And that's a similar thing worth flagging.

00:38:23.660 So like Turkey is, is the Turks. 0.99

00:38:26.000 But if you, you know, if you take a DNA test, they're basically Greeks.

00:38:29.760 They're descended from the people who've been there a long time.

00:38:31.960 So I say Greek, and they were really probably the people who were just always in that area.

00:38:35.600 The Greek Muslims.

00:38:36.460 Yeah.

00:38:36.860 So they were, you know, when it was a Greek empire, when it was the, the Roman empire,

00:38:41.420 the Byzantine empire, as they call it, that was a place produced a ton of scholarship, produced

00:38:46.060 a ton of innovation.

00:38:46.960 It was probably actually the most technically, the most literate and advanced part of Europe.

00:38:53.160 And Turkey is not. 0.95

00:38:55.120 And this is actually a thing that, that they've asked themselves.

00:38:59.400 Uh, and like we invented the printing press in, I want to say like 1500.

00:39:05.100 It took, I think almost 200 years for the printing press to really take off in the Islamic world.

00:39:12.020 Uh, and it's a question that certainly has driven, driven them berserk, like Salafism. 0.98

00:39:17.320 So, so I have a question on a question.

00:39:20.200 Jack might have some thoughts on this too.

00:39:23.180 If it wasn't for the cold war, would, you know, the, the Muslim diaspora be as great as 1.00

00:39:32.300 it is, especially across Western Europe?

00:39:33.840 Because that, so, right.

00:39:39.620 So you're talking about this idea that, you know, that, I mean, there, there was a lot

00:39:43.400 of, uh, carving up of, you know, not by the way, not just the middle East, but also Africa

00:39:49.800 during the cold war, this huge fight for, you know, which side is going to come in.

00:39:54.460 So you had the communist running, running amok all over the globe, trying to use the loot, 0.84

00:39:59.120 the treasury of the Soviet Union, well, loot, the treasury of the Russian empire to go and

00:40:04.360 expand the revolution.

00:40:05.940 And so prop up all these communist groups, how does the West respond?

00:40:09.360 The West responds by trying to prop up their own groups.

00:40:12.260 And what does this do?

00:40:13.400 This creates this, this diaspora. 0.85

00:40:15.300 So of course you see, you know, elements of this, like the revolution in Tehran in 1979,

00:40:21.180 see so many Persians, you know, flee because of that, uh, the overthrow of the Shah, you know,

00:40:26.740 what 20 some years prior, et cetera, et cetera, all could go down the list of all the things

00:40:32.600 that have happened between, uh, between Israel and Egypt and the various wars from 1948 on,

00:40:38.760 uh, that all involved the Arab world and all involved this massive, massive instability. 0.97

00:40:44.560 Um, you know, I, I, I look at it this way.

00:40:48.240 I think that, I think that a lot of the influx of migrants in general has more to do with the

00:40:54.560 legacy of world war two than anything else, because it, it just created this, this idea

00:41:00.400 particular when I, so I went to Sweden and Malmo, which is one of these areas with no

00:41:05.540 guard, no go zones, uh, I guess in like 2017 and went right into the, the no go zones.

00:41:11.420 There were shootings going on.

00:41:12.560 There were gang war, there were actually gang wars going on between the migrant gangs that

00:41:16.760 were coming in, in the current era.

00:41:19.220 So in like 2015 on versus the migrants that had been there since the seventies.

00:41:23.820 And so you had like Somali gangs fighting Arab gangs basically, and the local actual native

00:41:28.980 Swedes were just pretty much caught in the crossfire.

00:41:31.840 This also led to massive expanse in, uh, in rape numbers, which is something that of 1.00

00:41:36.840 course we've seen across, you know, Sweden, Germany, Ireland, now Conor McGregor talking

00:41:41.560 about it.

00:41:42.100 I guess he's running for president.

00:41:43.160 He even says, uh, talking about this issue and what they're turning Ireland into.

00:41:46.740 So I, I think that, I think that it's an aspect of decolonization as much as anything else.

00:41:54.760 I think it's an aspect of the legacy of world war II.

00:41:58.000 Um, you know, you could say if the cold war hadn't happened, I, I think that a lot of things

00:42:02.920 would have changed if, if communism wouldn't have happened, put it that way.

00:42:06.120 It's, it's very, very hard to say that, uh, you know, what, what could have been otherwise

00:42:11.300 though.

00:42:11.640 So what, what Blake is getting at though, is what about Islam makes these once great 1.00

00:42:18.720 peoples, they obviously genetically have the brain power to succeed and Persians are not 1.00

00:42:23.160 dumb, right? 0.98

00:42:24.140 Genetically. 1.00

00:42:25.140 What is it about Islam in practice that turns once great places into hell holes? 1.00

00:42:30.480 So, and this is the thing that you can debate because there was like an Islamic golden age, 1.00

00:42:34.920 as they'll say, where like it seemed Islam was richer. 0.98

00:42:37.120 Yeah, they, they mentioned it all the time, but what's funny is when they were in their

00:42:40.520 golden age, it was some Arab Muslim rulers on top of societies that were not really Muslim 1.00

00:42:45.780 yet.

00:42:46.320 So Egypt was, I think over 50% Christian, probably, they're not sure until when, but maybe until

00:42:51.540 like the 1200s or so.

00:42:54.220 Um, same with large parts.

00:42:55.760 I mean, the middle East in general was maybe 25, 30% Christian until world war one.

00:42:59.820 Um, and one factor that seems actually really interesting is, uh, in like the dark ages and

00:43:06.740 the middle ages, Christianity, we don't know exactly why this was, but they got really gung 0.99

00:43:11.640 ho that there's one sin God hates more than any other.

00:43:16.000 And it's consanguineous marriage.

00:43:17.840 You can't marry your cousins anymore.

00:43:19.480 And so, and we have evidence of this, like a ruler, uh, you know, a pagan King would convert

00:43:24.220 to Christianity and he'd write a letter to the Bishop or the Pope and say, okay, I'm a

00:43:27.820 Christian now, what am I supposed to do?

00:43:29.540 And we have some of the responses that they wrote back.

00:43:32.060 And it was always kind of three things.

00:43:33.660 And they would say, observe the Sabbath.

00:43:35.540 You'd like that.

00:43:36.360 I love that.

00:43:37.040 Uh, there, observe the Lenten fast, observe the fast.

00:43:39.640 Love that.

00:43:40.160 And don't marry your cousin. 0.93

00:43:42.060 You can't break any of the marriage rules.

00:43:43.780 And so the marriage rules were obviously definitely no, like marrying your nieces and your brother,

00:43:48.680 sister, don't marry your God children. 1.00

00:43:50.600 That's equal level of incest. 1.00

00:43:52.040 And then the big one is don't marry your first cousins.

00:43:54.820 And sometimes they'd get stricter, your second cousin, your third cousin.

00:43:57.240 And they're just, they're insanely gung ho about this.

00:44:00.500 They, they never stopped talking about it.

00:44:02.320 They enforce it really hard.

00:44:03.820 And a big theory is that this actually caused sort of the, it broke the sort of clannish systems

00:44:11.460 of kinship that exist in most pre-modern societies.

00:44:15.320 You have a clan, you marry other people in your, in your clan.

00:44:17.940 And this one, it just lowers your IQ because you kind of, you have a buildup of genetic dead

00:44:24.860 weight and it also makes it so you look to other people within your clan.

00:44:30.820 You don't sort of have a group based, more general altruism for lack of a better term.

00:44:35.660 And some people hypothesize that this basically helped launch Western civilization on its big

00:44:41.080 upward trajectory.

00:44:41.940 And if you look at the worst parts of the Muslim world, which are some of the ones that we, 1.00

00:44:46.900 for whatever reason, are the most gung ho to bring in, like, uh, Pakistanis who moved to 1.00

00:44:51.420 Britain, other Pakistanis will tell you they're coming from the worst part of Pakistan. 1.00

00:44:55.460 And Pakistan is not a great country. 1.00

00:44:56.620 Pakistan is not a great country. 1.00

00:44:57.680 And they're coming from, I can't remember the name of it, but it's like one of the worst 0.94

00:45:00.220 parts where they have an over 90% rate of them, for example, marrying first cousins.

00:45:06.840 And if you're from a society that where 90% of people marry their first cousins, it actually 0.78

00:45:12.400 lowers the genetic, it lowers your genetic pool.

00:45:14.780 It lowers your IQ and it, it, it just, it makes you backwards.

00:45:18.240 It's weird to say, but not marrying your cousins is like a technological breakthrough on

00:45:23.200 par with like the printing press or the steam engine.

00:45:26.480 It's, it's the, it's the technological breakthrough of marry random people you're not related

00:45:31.640 to.

00:45:32.120 And isn't that also one of the reasons why our settlers to America were so strict about

00:45:36.340 keeping family records?

00:45:38.360 That's a big driver.

00:45:39.520 There was like this whole, like that the family records must be really kept so that when you

00:45:44.000 meet a mate, we can both look and make sure.

00:45:46.260 Yeah.

00:45:46.520 Yeah.

00:45:46.720 Cause you can't, you can't break the marriage rules, man.

00:45:49.680 And what's funny is this gets obscured because who we remember best are, you know, nobles

00:45:53.980 and nobles would get exemptions from this because, you know, noble marriages were so important.

00:45:57.320 So you look at the, you know, the King of England and yeah, he has to, he marries his cousin 0.97

00:46:01.920 for some complicated reason, but like you needed the Pope to sign off on that.

00:46:06.120 And the Pope was not signing off on that for, you know, random dirt farmer in the middle 1.00

00:46:09.760 of France.

00:46:11.400 And there are what?

00:46:13.800 40 Muslim majority countries, 45?

00:46:16.440 45, 50 or so.

00:46:17.700 So the richest are obviously Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE.

00:46:20.540 Then Bahrain.

00:46:21.580 Bahrain, Brunei.

00:46:22.780 And then Iran, but Iran is actually a story of a once wealthy great power that's been made

00:46:27.920 super compromised because of Islam. 1.00

00:46:30.640 Yeah.

00:46:30.820 And I mean, it was a much nicer country under the Shah who was nominally Muslim, but like 1.00

00:46:35.480 very westernizing.

00:46:37.700 And you have a common trend of this where you'll have some of the most successful leaders in

00:46:41.480 Muslim countries.

00:46:43.080 They'll say they're Muslim. 0.99

00:46:44.880 They'll observe some external forms, but they're clearly, they desire to modernize in a Western

00:46:49.280 direction.

00:46:49.780 And that's what the Shah would do. 0.89

00:46:51.720 And it's not super easy to say how badly, like what's Iran's natural potential? 0.99

00:46:57.600 Because to some extent we obviously sanctioned them a lot.

00:47:01.480 But yeah, they clearly were at the absolute apex and they fall into being at best like

00:47:06.840 a middle income country under, you know, many centuries of this faith they adopted.

00:47:13.420 So I guess the last question is an important one is, is Islam capable of a reformation?

00:47:21.620 What I would say is I think they already had it.

00:47:24.800 So for them, for example, like the age of colonialism, you know, they were dominant for

00:47:29.340 a long time.

00:47:29.840 The Ottoman Empire was a Muslim empire and they conquer half of Europe. 0.96

00:47:32.660 They look like they may conquer Rome. 0.99

00:47:33.840 And suddenly it's 1850 and they're getting their butts kicked. 0.97

00:47:38.100 The Europeans have all this technology they don't understand and they're whooping on them 1.00

00:47:42.360 and they're getting colonized.

00:47:43.880 And so what you get is Salafism. 0.92

00:47:45.960 So Salafism, that is the ideology of Wahhabism. 1.00

00:47:49.900 That's the ideology of Al-Qaeda.

00:47:51.420 It's the ideology of ISIS.

00:47:53.020 Saudi funded.

00:47:53.360 It's very much make Islam great again, where they say we built up all of this medieval stuff 1.00

00:47:58.620 on top of Islam. 0.79

00:47:59.320 We got away from the words of the prophet.

00:48:01.060 We need to go back to the basics and practice true Islam. 1.00

00:48:04.560 I would say that spiritually is what a reformation would be.

00:48:09.680 Jack, final thoughts.

00:48:11.240 Islam, the West, is it compatible?

00:48:15.660 Honestly, I don't think it's compatible.

00:48:17.620 I think the West has Christianity at its core. 0.82

00:48:20.680 The West has always been majority Christian since we've had the rise of Christianity and 0.88

00:48:26.880 since the advent of Western civilization as we know it today.

00:48:30.780 They are indelibly linked.

00:48:33.060 And America has always been a Christian majority nation and continues to be a Christian majority

00:48:38.780 nation.

00:48:39.360 And America is at its best when our moral core is Christian. 0.99

00:48:44.620 Tyler?

00:48:45.680 I'm still thinking about that white kid in Canada who's eating bacon. 0.82

00:48:50.680 And while you're getting that ad served to you.

00:48:52.320 And while I'm getting that ad served to you.

00:48:53.560 Is that the Islamic reformation that they'll start eating bacon? 0.99

00:48:56.240 It did really incidentally start this whole thing.

00:48:59.000 And if you're getting these ads too, you should immediately delete Instagram, I think.

00:49:03.000 I think that's what you should do.

00:49:04.300 Just knock it off.

00:49:06.300 Take a full Ramadan to think about it. 0.93

00:49:10.560 We want to hear from you.

00:49:11.740 What do you guys think?

00:49:12.580 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:49:13.840 Until next week, keep on committing thought crimes.

00:49:16.280 The West and Islam, are they compatible? 1.00

00:49:17.980 Thanks, guys.

00:49:18.480 Talk to you soon.

00:49:20.680 Don't cry me as death.

00:49:22.480 Don't cry me as death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - March 22, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 77 — Islam and the West？

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