During Ramadan, Muslims observe the holy month of Ramadan, a holy Islamic holy month, Muslims are supposed to abstain from eating and drinking during the daylight hours. But is it really as hard as it sounds? And what does it have to do with Big Brother?
00:01:30.920And then they had to like try to eat and drink stuff right before the basketball game.
00:01:33.780Yep, exactly. It can get really crazy.
00:01:36.400Obviously, it can get really extreme if you're one of the, as we'll be discussing soon,
00:01:39.580one of the many Muslims who've moved to like, for example, Sweden, high up there in the,
00:01:46.000near the Arctic Circle, you can get to where your day, you know, when it was in summer,
00:01:50.720for example, you'll be having a Ramadan fast that's, you know, 18, 19, 20 hours long.
00:01:55.840If it goes full 24 hours, the Islamic law is you follow Mecca times.
00:02:00.220So does that mean that as it keeps moving towards winter, that we're going to see more Muslims move northern?
00:02:06.240Yeah, yeah. Now, yeah. Now you'll have a Ramadan fast that's like, you know, freaking three hours.
00:02:10.800So Alaska is going to get like conquered by the Muslims because they can eat all day?
00:02:14.340Yeah, yeah. Just go chill out. Chill out in, you know, Fairbanks and be like, yeah, this is easy.
00:02:18.880This came up for me when, when we were at Guantanamo.
00:02:21.320So the detainees, you know, we had to obviously observe Ramadan when they were, you know, when they were being held.
00:02:29.300And so, yeah, that's closer to the equator rather than further away.
00:02:32.300But it was also like, yeah, off of Mecca time, as you say, Blake.
00:02:36.460And then also it was that you couldn't, basically you couldn't, you know, you had to sort of like leave them alone completely.
00:02:42.660I can't get into too much, but you had to sort of leave them alone until after night.
00:02:46.960And so, or after, you know, after sunset.
00:02:49.080So basically my entire schedule flipped from, you know, dire and all to nocturnal.
00:02:56.040So basically it meant I was working night shift all during Ramadan because everything was completely off limits in the detainee camps during Ramadan.
00:03:03.460And so who was, who was the prisoner at that then, Jack?
00:03:06.040And who was, who was the prisoner during that month, right?
00:03:09.980And you have to wonder like, who's actually, that the question is who actually ends up being the prisoner and who ends up being the warden?
00:03:15.680Yeah. And you know, a funny thing about Ramadan is it's, so it's fasting during the day, but if you've, you know, been around some of the restaurants, you may know they tend to feast at night.
00:03:24.840And so there have been studies indicating that even though it's a month of fasting, the average Muslim gains weight during Ramadan because they're, they're pigging out every single night and they put on some pounds.
00:03:34.740I, uh, I'm no fan of Islam, which is what we're going to talk about, but I do kind of admire religious structures that forgo the flesh.
00:03:41.860Fasting practices, I do actually have a soft spot for, I'm not saying I have a soft spot for Islam.
00:03:48.200I just say, I just do think that more people involving in the limitations of indulgences is generally good.
00:04:28.600Like, yeah, orthodox Great Lent is, uh, no, no oils, no meat, no dairy.
00:04:36.560So you're basically down, you're almost, it's almost like a diet of like bread and vegetables is kind of what you're encouraged to.
00:04:41.860And I think if you're sufficiently, you know, if you're, if you're going hard at it, I think you're supposed to abstain from sex as well, even if you're like married.
00:07:21.300So, all respect aside, though, we've been having this discussion offline a lot lately, because we've been seeing, you know, obviously there's more Muslims in the West than there ever were when we were growing up, certainly more than a century ago.
00:07:35.220And the trends indicate that will continue.
00:07:38.060And we now kind of, so we have the open debate is, is Islam compatible with conservatism, and is Islam compatible with Western civilization as we understand it?
00:07:51.460And we especially are talking about this because a politician in Australia recently described Australia's approach to freedom this way.
00:08:02.820There's been some that have been agitating in the parliament to nullify the laws, to remove them off the statute books.
00:08:11.020Think about what kind of toxic message that would send to the New South Wales community.
00:08:14.920And I think the advocates for those changes need to explain what do they want people to have the right to say?
00:08:21.120What kind of racist abuse do they want to see or be able to lawfully see on the streets of Sydney?
00:08:27.820I recognize and I've fully said from the beginning that we don't have the same freedom of speech laws that they have in the United States.
00:08:34.080And the reason for that is that we want to hold together a multicultural community and have people live in peace, free from the kind of vilification and hatred that we do see around the world.
00:08:44.760That is, I mean, so what he's saying is we have to further chisel free speech laws so that Muslims aren't offended.
00:08:53.300So multicultural, but that's who's, they've been having those arrive in Australia far more than there were in the past.
00:08:59.380Yeah, much larger numbers because they have immigration from India, immigration from Africa.
00:09:02.840And it's very funny how he's like, we do this because we're multicultural, unlike the United States of America.
00:09:10.780I know, as if we're not multicultural.
00:09:13.020They also have the huge Indonesian influence.
00:09:19.740And so we have that, we of course have that in Britain.
00:09:22.260We have European countries considering blasphemy laws.
00:09:26.420And part of this is, you know, Islam, they do have a tradition of taking their blasphemy more seriously, which you could say is admirable, but it's also, okay, guys, like we have a history of freedom of speech.
00:09:38.020We have a history of freedom of religion.
00:09:40.040And unfortunately for all of you, freedom of religion includes the right to say that the Prophet Muhammad was not an admirable guy.
00:09:49.180And we have societies that are passing laws against this.
00:09:52.880And I think we're going to be having more discussion of this because what you especially see now is there's almost a, there's a take in certain factions of conservatism in the U.S. that like, I'm sure, you know, Jack could describe this too, that Islam is based basically.
00:10:10.020I remember a few years ago there was that meme, Islam is right about women, which was done to short circuit liberal brains because they can't criticize Islam.
00:10:19.360But you're also basically saying that Islam being anti-women is a good thing.
00:10:24.080So it was, it was trolling the left, but you'll just also hear people on the right say, you know, unironically, oh, you know, Islam is more socially conservative.
00:10:35.200And I think we're going to see people say we should align with them more overtly, or you might even see some people are just going to join Islam.
00:10:43.480They'll say, I want to join a religion that's not cucked.
00:20:46.440And I think we'll see, like, if, yeah, as long as that void is there, like, if the perception is that Islam is the macho religion that is demanding of you,
00:20:55.480you know, who's to say we couldn't see, you know, all those guys who are in Trende, Aragua or whatever, who currently they join weird, bastardized versions.
00:21:31.520Talk, Blake, about how Islam has found itself in this very patriarchal way in the past.
00:21:38.000Yeah, so obviously a lot of guys end up joining in prison, for example, and you could even say, like, in there, it might be an improvement.
00:21:45.580Like, it's better to follow, like, the rules of –
00:21:49.580Yeah, of praying five times a day, of fasting, that over, you know, like, total moral anarchy.
00:21:54.760But obviously we prefer Christianity overall, and there's a lot about Islam that, you know, will – as we saw in that clip, you know, it's like a very peaceful religion.
00:22:03.080Well, no, because in Islam, in contrast to Christianity, Islam rigidly defines a lot more of what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to live your life.
00:22:28.540We have vibes, we have instructions from Paul to individual communities of believers, because, you know, our scriptures stopped at the point where we were still an underground church of a few thousand people.
00:22:39.660And we've reached the point where there are countries that have been Christian for over almost 2,000 years, and now our problem is, like, you know, we have the decaying of that.
00:22:49.100We don't have a lot to go off of there.
00:22:55.380He unites these tribes in Arabia, and you, from the beginning, have an Islamic society, an Islamic group that, from top to bottom, is Muslim.
00:23:06.580And very shortly after his death, we start getting pretty strict rules on what Muslims are supposed to do.
00:23:19.660And it's a set of, they're extremely long, they're about as long as the Talmud, I think, of things that the prophet Muhammad said, or did, or how he reacted non-verbally to other people doing things.
00:23:31.780So you'll have a hadith that is like, so-and-so did this, and Muhammad smiled and laughed when he did this, thus showing it was not bad.
00:23:38.600And within this, you have certainly a ton of generic stuff, you know, this is how you, this is how you pray properly, this is how you cleanse yourself properly.
00:23:47.560Some of them are kind of funny, just because this is humorous.
00:23:51.280The hadiths, you have to be ritually cleansed to pray.
00:23:55.400And someone says, if I fart, is that, does that make me unclean?
00:23:59.560And the prophet Muhammad said, if you don't smell it and you don't hear it, it's okay.
00:24:04.480If you, if you smell it or hear it, then you gotta, you gotta purify yourself.
00:24:08.160But if it's silent and non-deadly, you're okay.
00:26:15.260It's not that she had to die fighting, but that she just died while on the jihad journey.
00:26:20.040And they even get into, they have guidelines for how you distribute war captives, which includes, like, slaves, sex slaves.
00:26:26.980Like, this is all described in the hadiths in a very literal way.
00:26:32.880And so, like, I like to point out to people is you'll sometimes hear Islam needs a reformation to make it more compatible with the West.
00:26:39.900But as you would know, like, the Protestant Reformation, the belief is they're taking Christianity back to its roots before stuff was layered over it from paganism and so on.
00:26:51.740And if you do that with Islam, you're going back to what the hadiths say.
00:26:55.760You're going back to what is written down in our early scriptures.
00:27:01.200And so to reform Islam in any other way, like, you actually have to say we need to just do the sort of, you know, gay liberal thing that Christianity has done where they just decide to ignore all of their scriptures.
00:27:13.860So, Jack, what then do we, so let me ask you a question, Jack, if, let me be as provocative as I can here.
00:27:29.700Would you, if you found out that there was a Republican running as a Muslim, how would that, how would you process that?
00:27:38.960Well, if it was a Republican running as a Muslim.
00:28:15.880These are the things that we're pushing for.
00:28:18.060And, you know, you've got to leave it up to that.
00:28:20.220You certainly have to leave it up to that district.
00:28:23.060Here, here's the way I look at it, right?
00:28:25.080This, because this really centers around the idea of integration and assimilation when it comes to, when it comes to migrants.
00:28:32.960Because, like, Islam is not a Western religion.
00:28:35.900Islam did not originate here naturally.
00:28:39.260There's no history in Western civilization of it other than the invasions, the Turks, the Ottomans coming through, the Balkan history with this, Spain, et cetera, et cetera.
00:28:51.820Barbary pirates, you know, you can talk about the Houthis right now in relation to the Barbary pirates.
00:28:55.700That's been the history of, of the connection.
00:28:58.780So my question would be is, is, can this be done, can it be done compatibly with what that clip the Australian premier was talking about earlier there?
00:29:14.200You're bringing your own values and your own culture with, with you.
00:29:18.360So are you doing so in a way that actually complies with the standards and mores of our majority culture?
00:29:26.060Or are you going to turn around, like you see what happened on campus all the time, are you, are you going to turn around and say that our majority culture has to bend and has to accommodate and is mandated to have to twist ourselves in pretzels and, and turn, turn ourselves inside out to accommodate your minority imported culture?
00:29:46.760So, I mean, I asked for a reason because I endorsed a friend of mine who's actually my family physician, Dr. Zudi Jasser, who's Muslim.
00:29:52.840However, he actually speaks out more against Islam than almost any Christian will.
00:29:56.980I mean, he will use the Hadith against Islam and he's like, we have to, his argument, and we're going to have him on the show soon, is we need to actively ignore like some of the more insane Mohammedan teachings and we need a reformation.
00:30:11.120And so, however, he's an extraordinary minority, like he had a self-admission minority.
00:30:27.720But, but I guess let's just talk more broadly.
00:30:30.200Either anyone can take this, the, should we think, let's say if there is someone that's not like Zudi, let's say it's someone who is very religious, someone who's in a mom.
00:30:46.000Or just, just someone comes in and they say, hey, you know, we're, we're doing this mass movement and we want to, you know, continue forward against all this stuff.
00:30:58.160And we might agree with them on issues.
00:30:59.500At what point do we draw the line of collaboration with Islamic fundamentalists?
00:31:05.000It's kind of happening a little bit in Michigan right now, right?
00:31:08.500Because you had so many that felt so detached because the, the left went so far into all these issues that they felt completely, um, sidelined in Michigan.
00:31:20.580And that's why many voted, you know, a majority is what we're, is what we're reading in exit polling, supporting president Trump.
00:31:27.840So it's, it's a great question to ask because I don't know the answer.
00:31:31.040Because in Minnesota and Michigan, this is a real community-based issue of, of saying, hey, how do you engage, you know, the, the orthodox Muslim community in some kind of way here?
00:32:14.680Yeah, I think, you know, maybe a helpful way to think of it is when we think of how we're often in agreement with conservatives in other pretty different countries.
00:32:23.780Like, I mean, I'm almost thinking like conservatives in like Japan, conservatives in India, conservatives in Russia, like, you know, people who share our values in entirely different places that we can be aligned with them.
00:32:40.020But that wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, we should merge our countries together or something.
00:32:43.420And so with, you know, devout Muslims in the U.S., I think what we can say is if we agree on particular issues, we should collaborate.
00:32:54.380But big picture, we don't want America to become a Muslim country, whereas they would probably regard that as a great thing.
00:33:03.720Is it a stated goal of Islam to take over other countries?
00:33:06.900It's certainly a stated goal to spread Islam, and they have a much, they have a richer tradition of both, I mean, just outright conquest in the name of religion.
00:33:17.480And also, you can get documents like the Muslim Brotherhood has put out texts that basically say, you know, our demographic tidal wave is a way for us to expand our influence in the West.
00:33:31.460And, you know, a notable thing that's worth knowing is there are prophecies in Islam that are expressly related to them one day conquering the West.
00:33:39.920So this isn't just a general, you know, let's spread our religion because we love it.
00:33:43.820It's that the Prophet Muhammad had, like, sort of prophecies that are recorded that, you know, one day Islam will conquer Rome.
00:33:53.480And so for them, like, if you're a devout Muslim, there's a real sense of, you know, one day we will, you know, have the crescent over the city of Rome because we'll defeat the Christians.
00:34:05.500And, again, that's just, it's a difficult thing for us to engage with because we don't favor that outcome.
00:34:15.620Let's put up that chart with the numbers of what percentage of different European countries are going to be Muslim by 2050 if migration rates go.
00:34:24.660Yeah, like, if we look at that, I think it's, like, Sweden's at 30% there.
00:34:38.100And then you can see it's, like, 15% in Italy.
00:34:41.120If Italy is 15% Muslim, that will mean the city of Rome itself will probably be 40% Muslim or something like that because they're going to cluster in the big cities.
00:34:50.400We were just talking about Toronto the other day.
00:34:52.960Toronto is, like, a quarter Chinese and, like, 15% to 20% Muslim.
00:35:08.320Well, and so the obvious way of looking at this is that a Christian nation becomes a secular nation, then that must import new people to sustain their materialism, so then they import Islam, and then it becomes an Islamic nation.
00:35:23.420Yeah, and it's interesting because we haven't yet seen a country that goes over that tipping point of it was a Christian country and becomes a Muslim.