This week, Jack, Tyler, and Charlie are joined by special guest Blake to discuss the Carmelo Anthony Self-defense case, the murder of Austin Metcalfe, and the growing controversy surrounding the case.
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00:00:16.280All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
00:00:27.500Charlie, of course, is out on assignment.
00:00:30.620We know that he's on the campuses right now.
00:00:33.740It's hard to lock in Charlie's schedule because he's spending so much time on the campuses talking to literally thousands and thousands of students all across the country as they come to him on these campuses, on these camps, camp, camp high, camp high maybe.
00:00:50.220We'll ask Blake about that one and try to, you know, try to deal with a lot of the leftist social conditioning that they're getting on these campuses.
00:00:58.480But as as it stands, we have assembled still a panel of thought criminals for you this evening.
00:01:59.340We had higher expectations for pitching this year, so but it's not working out.
00:02:05.980And the first story that, you know, this was one of those ones where it feels like it's almost kind of tailor made for a thought crime type show because it's something where, you know, it doesn't necessarily fit into the normal news of the day.
00:02:20.460But it's this massive culture war issue that's going on throughout throughout the country.
00:02:26.300And it's been roiling social media, not so much.
00:02:29.360I think the the case itself, this this criminal case that happened down in Frisco, Texas.
00:02:35.000But the aftermath to it has become this this massive social media, just explosion of interest and explosion of debate and controversy.
00:02:48.600But actually, in some instances, not so much debate and disinformation and misinformation and misinformation and fake news.
00:02:55.440And this is the case of the murder of, of course, teenage high school football star, Austin Metcalfe, by his alleged assailant will say alleged for legal purposes, Carmelo Anthony.
00:03:10.080Now, what's the you know, the case, if you haven't heard at this point, I think everyone really has murdered at a track meet.
00:03:17.220There was an issue over a seat and Carmelo Anthony, who, by the way, admits this to police and police records, stabbed him in the heart, killing him almost almost instantly or very quickly at the track meet on the bleachers.
00:03:31.820But what's what's what's gotten really, I think, everyone riled up so much is the fact that there are now to crowdfunds and this is sort of emblematic of the social media age in which we live.
00:03:43.460There are two crowdfunds now, one for legal defenses for Carmelo Anthony and then one for the family of Austin Metcalfe.
00:03:53.460And it's it's almost like they're kind of competing to see who can raise or which sides can raise more money in the case.
00:04:03.660The one on GoFundMe for Austin Metcalfe, as we record this, has over three hundred ten thousand dollars, whereas the legal defense fund for Carmelo Anthony has two hundred eighty four thousand dollars.
00:04:18.480So they both sit right around the three hundred thousand dollar mark.
00:04:22.460And, you know, I guess we'll go to we'll go to Blake first really quickly is is Blake.
00:04:27.940You know, when you when when you're looking at this case, let's let's talk about it from the facts perspective.
00:04:33.000So Carmelo Anthony, his supporters say that he was acting in self-defense.
00:04:40.220Is there anything that you've seen? And I'm sorry to put you on the spot.
00:04:44.200I don't know if you've really like, you know, dug into this case or not.
00:04:46.360I know you're on the tour with Charlie there, but is there anything that you've seen that would provide for this self-defense argument?
00:04:55.860Well, a lot more details are going to come out on this, I have to imagine.
00:06:36.840So, you know, each team will set up their their tent for the bleachers.
00:06:40.120And, you know, we don't have the information exactly on on whose team was supposed to be where or anything like this.
00:06:46.140And but what's really been crazy is I've also seen there's there's been a ton of misinformation that spread.
00:06:52.900People were even making like I don't know if you guys have seen this.
00:06:55.860There have been fake Facebook posts that were made by the sheriffs talking.
00:07:00.000They literally made a fake post from the Frisco police or, you know, the sheriff's department saying that, oh, there was a fight and there was a huge altercation and someone, you know, and that Austin Metcalf, the white kid had been had been attacking the the black kid.
00:07:17.220And he was trying to throw him off the bleachers.
00:07:18.980And that's why he responded, et cetera, et cetera.
00:07:22.740And actually, the sheriff's department had to even put out a statement to say, hey, this this isn't a real post.
00:07:27.080We have no information on this at all.
00:07:28.880And the actual police report has nothing about that in there.
00:07:31.680So I guess, yeah, like, Blake, I'll let you finish your point.
00:07:35.060But it's it's just crazy to me to see that there are so many fake facts floating around about this, just like in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, by the way, there were fake facts floating everywhere.
00:07:44.060And people aren't even sticking to actually try to figure out what happened.
00:07:50.580And like we said, more will come out about this.
00:07:53.560And so, you know, to get at why this is becoming a politically resonant topic.
00:07:59.940So you have a ton of money being raised in what seems to be superficially at least a pretty like a nasty case that would not justify stabbing someone to death.
00:08:12.360And it's like Carmelo Anthony has become a hero, a cause celeb.
00:08:17.320I'm looking at his give send go page right now.
00:08:19.680It's up to two hundred and eighty four thousand dollars raised and it's pouring in.
00:08:24.320There was a one thousand dollar donation within the last 30 minutes as I look at this and raising more and more money.
00:08:30.780Some people have complained that it should be taken down.
00:08:59.440And where this has become a cause for debate, as I'm sure you could elaborate on, Jack, or we can loop in Andrew and Tyler here, is it has creepily become a racially tinged thing.
00:09:12.200That the idea is Carmelo Anthony is being railroaded or targeted in a racial manner that Austin Metcalfe arguably deserved to be stabbed to death when there seems to be very little argument that that's the case.
00:09:27.180And then competing with this is the fact that people are you see this in a lot of cases where people are coming out and aggressively saying, don't ever bring up the racial angle to this.
00:09:39.200When we know, because we've lived through it many times, that if you did turn this case around in terms of who was the stabber and who was the stabby, that it would be number one story in the country and relentlessly politicized and relentlessly racialized.
00:09:56.640Let's get I want to get Andrew in on this.
00:10:00.200Yeah, I mean, I actually I haven't seen this clip yet.
00:10:03.120I want to play it because I have so many thoughts, but I do want to see this two to one.
00:10:08.480And we didn't just play that one, did we?
00:10:29.480When Metcalfe reportedly touched him, Anthony dared him to throw a punch.
00:10:34.220One witness claimed that Metcalfe then grabbed Anthony to get him to move, at which point Anthony allegedly pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest before fleeing.
00:10:45.140So their whole shtick here is that this was Carmelo Anthony acting in self-defense.
00:10:50.580And you can see and I think to Blake's point, why this is becoming politically charged and racially charged is because you've got Carmelo Anthony's defenders basically saying these these were bullies.
00:11:04.520These these white privileged jocks thought they could push around this black kid.
00:11:13.040Carmelo Anthony was sitting under the wrong tent.
00:11:14.940Not that that really matters, but you can understand that that in high school, kids are going to be like, hey, this isn't your school's tent.
00:11:25.840You know, you could see maybe a, you know, a fight ensuing.
00:11:30.640But the fact that this Carmelo Anthony kid so quickly reached for a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalfe in the chest to me, to Blake's earlier point, there's zero explanation of why that was a rational or justifiable move in that moment.
00:11:47.360Other than a complete wild overreaction.
00:11:50.580Now, his family member, apparently, Kevin Hayes is a is a relative of Carmelo Anthony, says it was self-defense and that he panicked after being allegedly jumped.
00:12:02.720I've seen no indication that Austin Metcalfe jumped him other than to try and grab, probably grab him and push him out of the tent.
00:12:10.980Now, you could argue that that was the wrong thing to do.
00:12:13.860But these kind of things happen all the time in high school.
00:12:17.260And to say that it was somehow justifiable to stab him and that there's nearly three hundred thousand dollars that has poured into his legal defense fund of people that seemingly agree is the part that troubles me so deeply.
00:12:32.120To me, this has nothing to do with race.
00:12:58.480It's just so bizarre to me, like that the kid was carrying around a knife and they mentioned this in the in the clip, which is they don't know how I got in because most of these schools have, you know, detectors and stuff like that.
00:13:10.240When you when you walk in now, they have a bad check policy and all that stuff.
00:13:14.620But unfortunately for for where we're at.
00:13:17.420But yeah, just the the immediate response to I mean, we've seen that that situation play out so many times.
00:13:24.920I've, you know, Andrew's point of if you're under the on the wrong side of the football field, even, you know, there's always like fight.
00:13:34.380We had fights break out after every football game in my at my school.
00:13:38.160They would they meet up at the Wendy's parking lot.
00:13:40.760They would get into fistfights and it was it was one team fighting the other.
00:13:45.300You have this stuff happen all the time, like where kids are constantly just like get off my turf type stuff.
00:13:57.020The story that's been told sounds like a pretty standard high school confrontation.
00:14:02.620And I don't think anyone would ever expect someone to pull out a weapon, especially like at a at a track meet or a football game or something where there's like probably maybe hundreds of people that are around.
00:14:16.020I don't know how many people are there.
00:14:17.700I don't think anyone would ever expect to have a knife pulled on them and get stabbed in the chest.
00:14:22.400You know, and I think worst case scenario, you've heard about situations where someone's pulled out a weapon and kind of flaunted and be like, oh, yeah, back up.
00:14:32.480But this the amount of psychopathic tendency that you have to have to have a weapon carried on you.
00:14:39.060And at the moment of being challenged, just to have the immediate reaction to stab somebody tells me that, number one, this kid has had been probably running in dangerous circles as it is.
00:14:52.680And, you know, that they were they were it was with you that he was willing to do that.
00:14:56.680And that should point more to, you know, what we've seen coming out of some high schools is like that gang mentality and that type of stuff that really isn't being handled because, you know, policing isn't being handled because nobody wants to do any of that, especially when race comes into the question.
00:15:12.540Well, well, he said this wasn't the first time that he'd had a knife incident at school that actually that they knew he had brought knives in the past.
00:15:21.460So when you're talking about like metal detectors and bag checks, it's like you'd think that, you know, student resource officer or whatever school resource officer would would kind of know like, oh, hey, you know, that's the knife kid.
00:16:00.840Like as if that is somehow to be lauded and looked up to know if you want to if you want to tell somebody that they're not allowed to put their hands on you, then use your, you know, use your fists or not at all.
00:16:13.280Like, sorry that you don't pull out a knife and stab a dude in the chest because he puts his hand on you when he asked you to leave.
00:16:21.780And the fact that there is anybody, anybody supporting those actions is is beyond the pale and really an indictment of of some really sick, twisted narratives that are floating around this country.
00:16:36.420Yeah. And, you know, I'll give a huge shout out to Andrew Branca, who does a YouTube show called The Law of Self-Defense, and he's got a book out about it.
00:16:45.020And he he goes through these things and he talks about the basic elements that you would need to prove self-defense in many cases.
00:16:52.120And he's, in fact, you know, is a lawyer and he's consulted on a lot of cases like this.
00:16:56.240And he points out that in any self-defense case, the first thing that you need is an imminent threat of deadly force.
00:17:03.480So in this case, where is the imminent threat of deadly force or the use of deadly force?
00:17:08.520There's no there's the only imminent threat of deadly force comes from Carmelo Anthony, not from Austin Metcalf, because the police report doesn't say anything about people ganging up on him or jumping him.
00:17:21.040And in fact, it points out that there and I did read the police report, the entire thing that came out.
00:17:24.880So there's over a dozen witnesses, I mean, including the coaches of both teams.
00:17:30.080So, you know, people who are conceivably, you know, not biased against him.
00:17:34.840And so this idea that, you know, people are making it up at all.
00:17:38.140No, it's it's it's very clear. It's very obvious what happened.
00:17:42.480This wasn't in some like dark alleyway is what I'm trying to say.
00:17:44.780It was done in full view of, you know, a number of people at this track meet.
00:17:49.280But also so there's no there's no imminent threat of self-defense.
00:17:52.500But also he even points out that's what that saying the phrase touch me and see what happens.
00:18:00.080It could be interpreted in some cases as a provocation.
00:18:04.480And given the fact that it was a provocation, it's essentially from a legal perspective, an invitation to mutual combat, like like he's basically egging him on to fight.
00:18:16.160Well, if you provoke someone, then you don't get to turn around and say, oh, I was just defending myself against this person.
00:18:25.660I'm not going to say that he provoked the fight just by sitting there, but by saying, you know, touch me and using language like that and make it, you know, see what happens, reaching into a bag, you know, from from Metcalf's perspective.
00:18:37.680Let's say let's say he was around to make the case that, you know, he could even say I saw him getting a knife out and I was trying to prevent him from getting the knife out.
00:18:47.260Right. So, no, not only is there there no element of self-defense here, there's actually lots of arguments against it.
00:18:53.380That's a good point. Jack, Blake, why don't you call out the elephant in the room here?
00:19:02.180We're we're talking we can go back and forth on a self-defense argument.
00:19:06.900But the reason this is a national news story is not, you know, the finer points of self-defense law, because unfortunately, teenagers do kill each other in the United States with depressing regularity.
00:19:18.320Two things are really driving what makes this a topic.
00:19:22.560And I think the first thing we should do is to set this up is we should play the dad's reaction.
00:19:28.200So this is Austin Metcalf's father talking on television.
00:19:32.120I think the clip that we want is 202. Let's play that clip.
00:19:36.740It's very unfortunate that this other child decided to make a bad choice that's going to affect him for the rest of his life.
00:19:43.560I have compassion for every human being.
00:19:47.940This is not I want to make this very clear.
00:19:50.780This is not a race issue. This is not a black and white issue.
00:19:54.160I don't want someone stepping up on a soapbox trying to politicize this.
00:19:57.380I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this fight and there was they don't know they weren't there.
00:20:04.980Now, what I will say is I would never question or criticize how a parent specifically chooses to respond to a tragic event, because I think it's understandable.
00:20:21.800I think if you've experienced a huge personal loss, it would probably be traumatic and upsetting to have it be at the center of a national political discussion.
00:21:53.400But I want to say it's it's not just any case.
00:21:56.360It's only when the victim is a white kid like this or something like that.
00:22:01.500Then it's then it's, oh, don't talk about race or, you know, Molly Tibbetts, et cetera.
00:22:05.120It's all not about race, not about race.
00:22:06.620But if it's George Floyd or or any, you know, Trayvon Martin, et cetera, it's race from the very start and nothing else is allowed to be talked about.
00:22:14.040Precisely that that's the thought crime aspect to it is there are unfortunately a lot of teenagers who are accused of murder.
00:22:23.300And a rational question to ask is, is Carmelo Anthony getting three hundred thousand dollars in legal defense funds essentially because he killed a white kid?
00:22:35.640And some people I'm not going to question the motives of every single person who donates, but is the idea that some people like the idea that he could stab a white kid to death and get away with it.
00:22:47.300Kind of like there were people who wanted OJ to get away with it.
00:22:50.560And there have been takes people were like, this was our this was getting revenge for for Rodney King or or for the L.A. riots generally.
00:22:57.980Like, is that impulse manifesting itself?
00:23:13.280They may genuinely believe he is innocent, but there may even be people out there who would say it doesn't matter if he is innocent, that we just want him to get away with it.
00:23:30.400I just jinxed you and saying this is all Luigi mentality.
00:23:34.220This is where the crippling effect of, you know, societal decay, that's where we're at, is that it's just backwards where you have people on the left who would rather see people they disagree with because they've been so mind melted on DEI and everything that they sit through for, you know, seven hours a day in class.
00:23:55.760It's hearing from, you know, preschool to where they're at to now, you know, the true enemy is, you know, just the person that doesn't look like them or and that's class warfare.
00:24:09.320I mean, this is class warfare stuff that is happening and that's who donates to these things.
00:24:14.160Well, yeah, I think it's very telling, though, that it's a generational thing.
00:24:22.120And I think, Jack, you would agree with me on this.
00:24:24.140It's like boomers, especially were raised in a in a country with the civil rights era and they wanted to see themselves as post racial.
00:24:33.540And what happened is you had a bunch of like whites.
00:24:36.980You know, the country was essentially 90, 85 percent white as they were growing up.
00:24:41.520And they wanted to believe that it was post racial.
00:24:43.980And I think it was true for boomer whites.
00:24:47.300They had gotten to a point and maybe their their kid, Gen Xers.
00:24:50.220I certainly know as a millennial when I was growing up, I kind of thought we were in a post racial world.
00:24:55.980And but like or if you're if you're of a certain age, you're a little older, that indoctrination runs so, so deep that I don't think that you you rush to that instantly.
00:25:08.340The suicidal empathy, this this this indoctrination.
00:25:12.520It's like and you saw that from the father.
00:25:14.860For me, this was the this was the the most again, I'm sympathetic to what Blake said.
00:25:23.160It's like I don't want to judge him for the way he reacted to his son being murdered.
00:25:27.480I cannot imagine the horror that that must be.
00:25:31.360And so, like, I'm trying to extend some grace to the father and saying, like, listen, you're going to process this in your own way.
00:25:38.240And I don't ever want to know what that's like.
00:25:43.520But it's yet I have to observe the fact that he he reacted instantly, said, I don't want to make this about race.
00:25:49.660And I forgive him one day after it was the next day.
00:25:53.640He had one day and he was already forgiving this kid and saying, you know, it's not about race.
00:26:00.140Well, you don't know that it's not about race.
00:26:02.220And I think it's very fascinating that he rushed to say that it's not about race when it very well could be about race.
00:26:07.700Like, Austin Metcalf could be dead today because Carmelo Anthony wanted to, you know, basically confront a white kid and ended up killing him.
00:26:21.020But the point is, it's like you have the white father saying it's not about race because this thing has gone so, so deep into the subconscious of a certain subsection of America.
00:26:31.740And then you've got younger Americans that have been like, well, listen, we were told it wasn't about race and it was post-racial.
00:26:38.080And yet the world that we live in has become more racialized than ever.
00:26:41.400So it's like we tried to live up to our end of the bargain.
00:26:44.080Now, I know there's a big part of the country that doesn't agree with that.
00:26:47.440But I certainly grew up in an America where it felt like all the white kids were trying to be post-racial.
00:26:52.000And it's like we didn't we didn't get reached out to on the other side.
00:26:55.800The other side didn't live up to their end of the bargain.
00:26:57.420And so now now we've got to have these conversations again and we've got to be honest about it.
00:27:01.800And the younger you are, the more willing you are to be honest, in my opinion.
00:27:05.560And I think it's telling that Austin Metcalfe's dad of a certain age so quickly went to that that that line that very well might not be true at all.
00:27:16.900Yeah. And you see it again and again, and it's become this sort of script.
00:27:20.320And in fact, at humanevents.com, we've had pieces about how they're the DOJ actually had a unit where I believe that Pam Bondi is working to shut down this unit.
00:27:30.160They call it the Community Relations Services, where they would go around in these, you know, racially charged crimes and actually ask parents to say things like that.
00:27:41.600This came up under the Obama 100 percent and this came up in the Obama administration and it's it's it's being worked to put to tamp down now.
00:27:49.440But but I wrote a piece, you know, kind of just for Twitter.
00:27:52.220And I said, this is sort of the the breaking point of the white guilt narrative.
00:27:55.880And so what's the white guilt narrative?
00:27:57.540And it goes back to this 1965 essay by James Baldwin that I think that we'll all, you know, we'd all recognize where it's, you know, he said that the white man's guilt is a, quote, curtain of guilt and lies behind which white Americans hide, unable to confront the realities of their history.
00:28:16.680And talk about how this narrative of sort of white guilt then became the cornerstone of progressive ideology, DEI and all these things that we talk about that say that, you know, white privilege is mainstream and these ideas of systemic racism.
00:28:31.680But it also created a sort of cultural hierarchy of moral culpability where there's an idea that so being labeled a racist is currently the worst possible thing that you could be labeled as in your entire in the entire country.
00:28:47.880It's it's in fact, it's it's so taboo.
00:28:51.180Our whole country is basically, you know, really in sort of the post World War Two consensus and definitely in the civil rights era has been the it is the largest crime and something that when I was on Tucker, I talked about this that I've always thought it was very fascinating.
00:29:08.200Jeffrey Dahmer, of all people, so people, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was the serial killer, but he predominantly targeted black individuals and in fact, black teenagers.
00:29:18.860You know, I think it was like 16 was the 1617 up to like early 20s, but in interviews that he gave later from prison, so he confesses to the police and then in interviews that he later gave from prison or while locked up, he would implore people to understand that he was in fact not a racist, that he did not choose his victims.
00:29:40.960He said it over and over that he didn't choose them because of the color of their skin because he didn't want people to think is he was a racist.
00:29:47.340So I just I just want to like everyone understand that Jeffrey Dahmer, a guy who killed and in some cases, eight body parts of his victims was willing to admit to murder, admit to cannibalism.
00:29:59.040But he really wanted to make sure people didn't know he was a racist.
00:30:03.100And obviously, you know, that's an extreme example, but I do think that it's something that that discusses the social fabric of what's going on in our country where it's like even a guy like Jeffrey Dahmer, as depraved as he is, is still worried about breaking this social taboo when he's obviously done so many other horrible things.
00:30:23.240And so it's like we have this narrative that can't be broken. And even in a situation like this, we've just got this just horrible human tragedy.
00:30:31.960You know, a twin brother dying in his own brother's arms that you still have people that want to hold to this narrative of, you know, well, you know, it's not really his fault because he's acting out based on the years of oppression that he's which, by the way, if you go and look at and people have showed pictures of Carmel Anthony's house that he grew up in.
00:30:53.040He's got a bigger house than I do. You know, his family does. And they've got, you know, gorgeous, by the way, you know, gorgeous looking family, great cars, looks like he's very upper middle class, if not, if not higher than that.
00:31:06.640So, I mean, this is not someone who comes from like poverty or anything like this. It's actually someone who comes from a very stable background, it seems like, and yet still was willing to be violent in this instance.
00:31:19.740And, uh, and, and, and, and so obviously, you know, it's, it's like our realities are not comporting with the, the things that we have been taught at school or taught by Hollywood.
00:31:30.900Yeah, exactly though. But Jack, I mean, let's play cut 229. This is the, I think this is the day after this cut is from the day after his son is just unexpectedly, tragically murdered in cold blood. 229.
00:31:47.140I want to clarify something right off the start, because I've already heard some rumors and gossip. This was not a race thing. This is not a political thing. Please do not comment. If you do not know what happened, try, do not turn this into a racial thing. It was not, do not politicize this. It's not, this is a human being thing.
00:32:08.600This person made a bad choice. And it affected both his family and my family forever.
00:32:16.760Yeah. Um, that's his dad. That's his dad. His dad is playing it. Very cool. I would be very, I would be very, uh, I would say things a lot differently. I would say, I, I don't think that I could say, well, first of all, I wouldn't be doing media. Like that's, that's number one. I wouldn't be doing media at, at all. I mean, yeah, I, I don't even think I'd, I'm, I'm comfortable even saying how I would react.
00:32:46.740To, to, to some, if someone, if someone took one of my kids away, you know, I want to go ahead, go ahead, Blake. I wanted to highlight because we, we mentioned the Jeffrey Dahmer one and I wanted to give, because I think this would be an update to a lot of people. We gave a lot of focus to the, uh, when there was that shooting in, um, Nashville, Tennessee, where the shooter appeared to be, you know, had pronouns of uncertain gender identity.
00:33:12.900And then they were never releasing the manifesto for ages and it trailed off. And recently they released a very lengthy police report on the shooting and what motivated it. And they basically did give the whole story on it.
00:33:26.700And one of the things that was revealed in that report was that the shooter had been planning a shooting for some time and had considered many different targets. And the shooter had been bullied and had been unhappy at, uh, her, I think it was her middle school.
00:33:43.360Uh, but she didn't want to do a shooting there and instead targeted the Christian school she had attended where her best memories were because she believed she would be regarded as racist.
00:33:54.760If she shot up her middle school and didn't want to distract from like the real reasons for the shooting with misleading reporting about her motivations.
00:34:03.300And so this is not to say she should have shot up a different place. That would be a deranged thing to say, but it is, I think a revealing look at American psychology.
00:34:13.920You know, when you have absolutely psychopathic people still having this thought intrude on their thought process for how these things work.
00:34:23.780Uh, there was another case I was reading about the other day because Jack mentioned, Oh, Blake, I'm sorry to interrupt, but like some of the lines that she used will underscore your point here.
00:34:35.920It's like, she says, or yeah. So she says, again, this is Audrey Hale who thought that she was a boy, but being white sucks, but being black is so cool.
00:34:46.740Black people should rule. White people should fall. Every white person who lived and died. I hate you all.
00:34:52.560And it should be noted. Uh, Audrey Hale is white. And she wrote about killing, uh, kill all the white kids, kill all the white kids. Uh, and she loathed America.
00:35:05.000She wants to kill my own race, destroy all the white people who are teachers. So just, just to put a button on that. It was a really extraordinary language.
00:35:13.560Tyler, you were, you were saying something like, I would, uh, I was just saying, I, I just was looking at this thing. I don't know if I, I can tell you exactly how I respond.
00:35:29.000If my kid got killed and in this situation, it would be saying some of the things much more vibrantly than we said here, which is, this is told like way Andrew said, this is thug behavior.
00:35:38.000Uh, you know, I didn't, I don't send my kids to public school for thug behavior. And by the way, this is a good reason why everyone is pulling their kids out of public school.
00:35:48.000They're pulling their kids out of cities. They're getting their family out of cities and they're getting their kids out of public school. And, and I know this isn't like an inner city place. This is a very suburban location, but this has grown a lot.
00:36:00.000Uh, you know, this, this location, uh, where, where this happened is a once suburban rural community that's turned into a suburb, more suburban urban area.
00:36:14.000And that's what's happening to a lot of places. And a lot of people are saying, I don't recognize my community anymore. And this is what happens when you don't have a good handle on things.
00:36:24.000When you let things slide, when you let gangs like start to infiltrate, like we saw in Denver, we're seeing in Dallas, we're seeing in Phoenix, we're seeing Las Vegas, we're seeing all over California.
00:36:35.000You let gang like mob like behavior happen. And when you have lackadaisical leadership that that's in schools and everything else.
00:36:45.000Yeah. I would call this out and say, this is, this is thug stuff. This is why our communities need to get cleaned up. This is why I'm Yankee my kids at a public school.
00:36:55.000This is why I'm Yankee my kids at out of cities. And that's just the, that's a normal conversation. I think America needs to have in suburban America.
00:37:08.000Yeah. I mean, it's, I, I honestly don't even like thinking about it. It's just, it's just, it's so far beyond everything would be off. Just everything, everything would be off.
00:37:21.000But look, there, there's a problem. There's a huge problem in this country. There, the violence is getting absolutely out of control. The interpersonal violence is getting completely out of control and there, there needs to be something fixed.
00:37:33.000And I'm sorry, this demonization of young white males at every level of society needs to stop. It just absolutely needs to stop.
00:37:42.000Yeah. And I, I, I, and I am thinking about Jack cause I've got a 15 year old, which is crazy. And you know, I go to these, you know, his wrestling meets and I, you know, we see, I see some aggressiveness all the time.
00:37:56.000Obviously it's wrestling and you see kids going into fights and sports. It's just normal. I mean, it's part of it, but you know, I've thought about before, like, what would, you know, what would I do if, you know, my kid was in one of those situations.
00:38:09.000And I don't think making excuses for the situation helps. I think it's, again, it's, you know, again, and my kid for full disclosure is in public school.
00:38:22.000Uh, you know, that's the decision that, that we've made with, you know, with his parents and with, you know, between parents and him, but it's like, you know, you have these, you have to be on guard and be thoughtful of this stuff.
00:38:35.000Because again, you're losing your community around you. And that's why I think it's like, it's, it's so important right now with what's going on, not just in the education spectrum, but we're talking about like with the legals, you know, a lot, a lot of people are boohooing about, you know, ice coming in and sending people home.
00:38:53.000And they're even sending home kids and teenagers coming into high schools in some cases and pulling them out.
00:38:59.000And it's like, this is the reason why, I mean, you're losing everything around you and we cannot sit by and just let this stuff keep going on. You just can't. I hope there's, I hope there's a, a major reaction that happens in their community there.
00:39:13.000And it's not just like, Oh, well, you know, it's not anyone's fault because of their skin color or whatever, you know, how they were raised. It's like, no, it actually how they were raised has everything to do with it, how they're being taught and managed, you know, in the classroom has everything to do with it.
00:39:28.000How they're being coached has everything to do with it. Like this is, this is terrible stuff, life altering stuff. And it shouldn't just be glossed over and ignored. And again, I'm not trying to be critical of the dad. I, you know, like you said, I probably wouldn't be going on TV.
00:39:42.000And if someone caught me outside my house, I would be going probably, you know, you know, a little bit crazy. Like it's saying what I'm saying right now, which is just like, there's no excuse. It's despicable. It's disgusting. And the school, you know, has, uh, yeah, yeah, deserves a lot of responsibility for our community deserves a lot of responsibility for this and we got to fix it, but it's just crazy.
00:40:04.200Now, one thing that I do want to say before we move on, move topics here is that, um, deescalation. Uh, this is really a great example of why, and you know, we're not justifying to anything here, but what I'm saying is if you do find yourselves in one of those situations, it's always the best opportunity to, or the best option to take yourself and say, take a step back and say, all right, guys, you know, this way, is it really worth it over a seat, right?
00:40:33.160Is it really worth going and paying that price overseeing? I'm not saying that, you know, he thought that that would happen at all or was anywhere within his thinking. But again, deescalation is always an option in these cases. Like, Hey, we're going to go get somebody if we have to, et cetera, et cetera, something like that. Or, Hey, this guy's threatening, you know, whatever it is, you do want to try deescalation. And I would say teaching that to people. Now, if you find yourself in a threat, if you find yourself in a fight, someone actually is threatening you.
00:41:02.160Of course you got to do what you got to do. But again, deescalation I think is, is absolutely key. And I've been in a number of situations where, and people have seen stuff where I've been, you know, outnumbered by, uh, you know, hundreds of people and, you know, held my ground, but I did what I could to deescalate. So I was able to get out of those situations.
00:41:19.740Um, what is our next topic? We've got a bunch of topics on this. Yeah. We're going to pivot to something a little lighter here, Jack. And that is a dire wolves 208. Let's play. Let's start the segment with clip 208.
00:41:35.440The howl of a dire wolf hasn't been heard on planet earth for more than 10,000 years. That's because the species is extinct or was colossal biosciences is a Dallas based company.
00:41:53.440That's using genetic engineering to de-extinct long gone species. And this is the first time colossal dire wolf pups who are now six months old have been seen by the public.
00:42:11.440That's wild boy. All right. That's the clip. And, uh, I think there's a, I think there's a photo of a certain, certain, uh, famous celebrity type guy who was, who was seen with the dire wolves. There we go. George RR Martin himself. Yeah. Blake, take it away. This is the best thing. The dire wolf. So for those who don't know, a lot of people have watched game of Thrones and they don't know dire wolves are real or rather were real. They are a species of wolf.
00:42:41.440That went extinct about 10,000 years ago. So they overlapped with people, but not like written history and kind of what makes a dire wolf different from a normal. They're not, they're not as portrayed in game of Thrones or in a song of ice and fire where they're basically just really big wolves. It's more like there are more robust wolves. So they have, I think they're wider. They have like a heavier skeleton. So it would probably be a tougher wolf, but not necessarily a bigger one.
00:43:09.040Now what's fun about this, of course, is I think they've been extinct for 10,000 years. I read my first George RR Martin novel in, I think 2005. And I was in high school then. And, you know, 20, 20 years have passed now. And we literally have brought dire wolves back from the dead. Allegedly. We can get into the details of that.
00:43:36.000And he still hasn't written winds of winter and there's no evidence he ever will. And I know Jack is going to have strong opinions on that.
00:43:43.160Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For people who don't know my, my background, I first, before politics, I kind of first got big on the internet for running this, um, uh, game of Thrones blog called angry GOT fan. And, um, I was, you know, like someone who was like from the perspective of a books reader. Um, it was like very sarcastic and very tongue in cheek, but yeah, I was always hating on the HBO show because it wasn't true to the books.
00:44:08.960And then it just, you know, it just kind of took off and just had a life of its own. But yeah, so the, the very first scene in both the books and the show is the finding of the dire wolf pups in, uh, in, in the North, um, you know, outside of Winterfell and like the main characters get there.
00:44:24.840And so there's this, uh, there's, yeah, it's, it's literally been, so the, the book series has not ended is what Blake's talking about. And because the first five books are out, but there's planned to be seven, at least as we know of, although the TV series of course ended and had this hugely controversial ending that, uh, the book series has not ended.
00:44:45.100And in fact, no new books have been released in the series since the TV show started. So the final book, book five of the series came out in 2011. So 14 years ago, uh, is when the last book actually came out. And the next book, which George R. Martin claims that he's writing is the winds of winter. And yet still hasn't been released. And, uh, you know, a lot of the fans, and this has been something where, you know, HBO has been trying to kind of overcome.
00:45:15.100This by releasing the prequel series, which isn't quite as popular as the original one. I mean, when Game of Thrones first started, it was just this massive cultural force. And, you know, that's definitely one of the things I would be like on deployment and, uh, tweeting about it. And yeah, you just see, you know, thousands and thousands of people there, uh, live tweeting the show or, or, you know, arguing about it and arguing about things. And, you know, then of course we had like the SJWs came in and I sort of experienced like a little bit of, uh,
00:45:45.100I think with the video game guys called Gamergate, you know, around, around that same timeframe in 2014, 2015. And then, and then I took a brief, uh, a brief, uh, sabbatical brief, brief break in that to, to go and make America great again. So here I am.
00:45:57.640But, uh, but, uh, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's been this, this crazy thing where, yeah, you know, it was such a good series. And, you know, I, I think that what they did on the TV show, I'm just going to say it. I think what they did on the show totally poisoned the, the experience for a lot of people. And it just killed what could have been this massive fandom. But instead, you know, it just made a lot of people be like, Oh yeah, I don't like that anymore. And they kind of just, they kind of just walked away, but now the dire wolves are back. So maybe there's, maybe there's some hope.
00:46:27.640Maybe there's some hope for the winds of winter.
00:46:29.460Well, I was reading, I was reading this whole thing about how this is not actually bringing the dire wolf back. This is a genetically edited gray wolf. This is all I, oh yeah. Yeah. This is massively fake news.
00:46:44.800Like I should, we should clarify on that.
00:46:46.940This is yeah. Like first off, like, cause I was like really into this and I was like, Oh wow, this is cool. And like, everybody was talking about like all the things that they were going to bring back. We literally can bring nothing back.
00:46:56.960They edited, they just genetically edited a gray wolf when you, upon further research. And it's just like, and it's like the easiest thing to edit. Cause let's like designer dogs, you know, how there's all these different breeds of dogs and everything else.
00:47:10.740Like dogs are canines are actually like really easy to, to manipulate their genetic code here.
00:47:18.060And so apparently this was just like a, like a really massive step in genetic editing on stuff, but it's, you know, they don't know how long they're going to live.
00:47:28.240They're not going to like breed them or anything like that. So I just wanted to throw that.
00:47:33.380There's always that question of, you know, if they can mate for themselves, it's producer Fos is saying it's like IVF for extinct animals.
00:47:42.860Yeah. It's so I want to explain more of it. Cause this is, this is real science that's coming that people should be aware of.
00:47:48.640Cause what they did is really what they did is they took existing wolves.
00:47:52.280I think was, I'm not sure if it was a timber wolf or a gray wolf, but, and they just added, they manipulated a few traits of it to take it in a dire wolf direction.
00:48:01.980And then they're hyping it as they brought the dire wolf back because they're a Texas startup that wants lots of attention on themselves because biological sciences, but it does raise the possibility.
00:48:14.520We are headed in the direction of being able to do this more and more.
00:48:18.540Uh, the thing they used to do this is called CRISPR and it's basically a science we have that allows for gene editing and what is coming eventually is CRISPR edited human beings.
00:48:30.140We have the, we have the power, especially in utero to, to some extent, manipulate the genes of, of people who already exist.
00:48:39.860So you can take a baby that is in utero and edit its genes to potentially change its eye color to on the positive ends.
00:48:49.460You could manipulate its genes to take away some otherwise fatal or harmful genetic abnormality, but obviously you'll also have it on the other end.
00:48:58.100Could we be using CRISPR to make sure people come out with an IQ of 120 or 140 or 190?
00:49:05.820We could, could, we could make sure they're six feet tall or seven feet tall or 10 feet tall.
00:49:15.160And it's interesting how the, you know, the spin of we're bringing back a, an animal you thought was fictional is just sort of the, it's the leading edge of what will actually be an enormous social, uh, and scientific issue in the years to come.
00:49:32.140Um, and I think there was a lot more attention on it before AI came and suddenly took over all of our, you know, ominous future technology vibes.
00:49:39.980But we're, the future is coming very aggressively.
00:49:46.240This is like, there's a ton of Michael Crichton where he gets into this, not just Jurassic Park, but other, you know, other books as well that do specifically get into gene editing.
00:49:54.140The fact that there's, you know, no laws on this whatsoever.
00:49:57.680It's also interestingly enough, it's going to have, it's going to play a role in like insurance rates.
00:50:02.720Because, you know, people will be able to, you know, the, the company will say, well, Hey, we want your DNA sequence.
00:50:07.960And then they're going to say, Oh, well, you have a, um, you know, you have a propensity for this, propensity for this, propensity for this.
00:50:14.460And so your insurance is going to be a lot higher for a number of different things.
00:50:18.000But on the flip side too, just with gene sequencing, not necessarily gene editing, you, you potentially can actually get like tailor-made, um, healthcare, like your healthcare could actually get really better because of this.
00:50:29.000And even I I've seen some writing about, you know, people talking about the idea that you could get specifically made a synthesized medicine that's made specifically for you because they know it's exactly something that can work with your, um, you know, work with your, your genotype and to say like, okay, this is exactly what you need.
00:50:48.800But if you give it to somebody else, like it might not even have any effect at all, or it might kill them, you know, which is, you're not supposed to be giving your medicine to other people anyway, but it's, there's all sorts of implications for this.
00:50:59.480But yeah, obviously the scariest one is, is do we get, you know, do we get into Gattaca?
00:51:05.540And we clearly are, by the way, there's been, um, I was at the natal conference in Austin last weekend, and this was like a huge controversy they were writing about because there were some speakers there who claimed that they have.
00:51:15.900They've used a, so they use IVF and they were talking about a sort of process that they were using for screening the embryos that were created in their IVF process and screening for intelligence and other traits.
00:51:32.780Like you're talking about, Blake, it wasn't like editing, but it was like, they were looking at the embryos and they were trying to figure out which ones would be, uh, would be like the strongest or the smartest, et cetera.
00:51:44.260And then they were selecting for those.
00:51:46.220And so, uh, that's, that's just for me as a, as a Catholic, that's something I have a, I have a huge issue with, you know, particularly when it comes to the destruction of the embryos.
00:51:55.640But I don't know, uh, Andrew, what, what are, you know, you're, you're out in California.
00:51:58.880I'm sure you hear stories like that all the time.
00:52:01.820I mean, my whole thing is why that's, that's my whole thing.
00:52:05.300I guess there's like, you know, it's in the human spirit to explore the unknown and to embark on things that haven't been done before.
00:52:11.620But I'm like, you know, where we have wolves in Yellowstone, it's like, it's already a problem, uh, with the ranchers and things throughout Montana.
00:52:21.580So it's like, I don't know, why do we need more wolves?
00:52:24.160I blame George R.R. Martin for this, uh, fascination in the first place.
00:52:28.160I'm sort of like relieved to know that it's not a pure dire wolf.
00:52:32.400Um, I don't know that, that seems scary to me.
00:53:08.660I'm thinking of, you know what I'm talking about?
00:53:10.300We have the, uh, kind of, I'm mixing it up with a creature that might only be in star Wars.
00:53:16.060The, the ancient megafauna I always think of is they have those giant ultra sloths that used to live in the Americas that are like the size of a grizzly bear.
00:53:25.680Uh, is it, I can't remember the name of it, but I think it might just been like giant sloth or super sloth.
00:53:31.940Didn't they have like, yeah, he was talking about rhinos.