Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves？ Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony？

00:00:00.480 From the age of Big Brother.

00:00:03.220 If they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:00:05.600 DNSSE specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:00:09.520 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:16.280 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:27.500 Charlie, of course, is out on assignment.

00:00:30.620 We know that he's on the campuses right now.

00:00:33.740 It's hard to lock in Charlie's schedule because he's spending so much time on the campuses talking to literally thousands and thousands of students all across the country as they come to him on these campuses, on these camps, camp, camp high, camp high maybe.

00:00:50.220 We'll ask Blake about that one and try to, you know, try to deal with a lot of the leftist social conditioning that they're getting on these campuses.

00:00:58.480 But as as it stands, we have assembled still a panel of thought criminals for you this evening.

00:01:05.020 So let's check it out.

00:01:05.880 I think we've got Blake.

00:01:06.880 What's up, Blake?

00:01:07.420 Howdy, Jack.

00:01:10.040 I'm doing great.

00:01:11.140 Yeah, I think it's I think it'll just be campuses, but we can we can really lay it on campuses.

00:01:16.520 Camp I camp.

00:01:18.240 I like can't buy.

00:01:19.560 Say whatever you want.

00:01:21.620 And then we've got Tyler there at home.

00:01:24.100 The only one of us in home base right now.

00:01:26.620 That's right.

00:01:27.280 We're in four different places, but I'm here.

00:01:29.900 I'm in the desert.

00:01:30.860 And of course, we've got producer Andrew Colvett, AK-47.

00:01:36.320 Yep.

00:01:36.820 Not wearing a Dodger hat, although I do see that Tyler's wearing his his.

00:01:42.000 What are they?

00:01:42.580 What's that team called?

00:01:43.500 That that irrelevant team in the.

00:01:45.360 Yeah, the 50, the 50 or the 500 team right now.

00:01:51.140 The 500 team.

00:01:52.640 Diamondbacks.

00:01:53.640 You guys used to have good teams.

00:01:56.240 Anyways, we got lots to cover today.

00:01:59.080 Used to be good.

00:01:59.340 We had higher expectations for pitching this year, so but it's not working out.

00:02:05.980 And the first story that, you know, this was one of those ones where it feels like it's almost kind of tailor made for a thought crime type show because it's something where, you know, it doesn't necessarily fit into the normal news of the day.

00:02:20.460 But it's this massive culture war issue that's going on throughout throughout the country.

00:02:26.300 And it's been roiling social media, not so much.

00:02:29.360 I think the the case itself, this this criminal case that happened down in Frisco, Texas.

00:02:35.000 But the aftermath to it has become this this massive social media, just explosion of interest and explosion of debate and controversy.

00:02:48.600 But actually, in some instances, not so much debate and disinformation and misinformation and misinformation and fake news.

00:02:55.440 And this is the case of the murder of, of course, teenage high school football star, Austin Metcalfe, by his alleged assailant will say alleged for legal purposes, Carmelo Anthony.

00:03:10.080 Now, what's the you know, the case, if you haven't heard at this point, I think everyone really has murdered at a track meet.

00:03:17.220 There was an issue over a seat and Carmelo Anthony, who, by the way, admits this to police and police records, stabbed him in the heart, killing him almost almost instantly or very quickly at the track meet on the bleachers.

00:03:31.820 But what's what's what's gotten really, I think, everyone riled up so much is the fact that there are now to crowdfunds and this is sort of emblematic of the social media age in which we live.

00:03:43.460 There are two crowdfunds now, one for legal defenses for Carmelo Anthony and then one for the family of Austin Metcalfe.

00:03:53.460 And it's it's almost like they're kind of competing to see who can raise or which sides can raise more money in the case.

00:04:03.660 The one on GoFundMe for Austin Metcalfe, as we record this, has over three hundred ten thousand dollars, whereas the legal defense fund for Carmelo Anthony has two hundred eighty four thousand dollars.

00:04:18.480 So they both sit right around the three hundred thousand dollar mark.

00:04:22.460 And, you know, I guess we'll go to we'll go to Blake first really quickly is is Blake.

00:04:27.940 You know, when you when when you're looking at this case, let's let's talk about it from the facts perspective.

00:04:33.000 So Carmelo Anthony, his supporters say that he was acting in self-defense.

00:04:40.220 Is there anything that you've seen? And I'm sorry to put you on the spot.

00:04:44.200 I don't know if you've really like, you know, dug into this case or not.

00:04:46.360 I know you're on the tour with Charlie there, but is there anything that you've seen that would provide for this self-defense argument?

00:04:55.860 Well, a lot more details are going to come out on this, I have to imagine.

00:05:00.040 It is all very vague what took place.

00:05:02.820 It does seem to be a lot of rumors.

00:05:04.720 I think the most recent accounts for what happened, as they say, it was a they say it was a seating dispute.

00:05:10.280 I believe it was reported on Fox recently, whether it was a seat or not.

00:05:15.440 It was it seems that Carmelo was allegedly like it was for a sporting event and he was where the other team was supposed to be.

00:05:24.300 So it might have been it might have been that he was fraternizing before a match.

00:05:28.640 It might have been that he was causing mischief before match.

00:05:31.500 Unclear.

00:05:31.940 I haven't heard more details on that.

00:05:34.240 And that we actually have, you know, self-defense.

00:05:37.180 I should have I should have called for this because we actually do have the side on it.

00:05:40.440 Let's play real quick.

00:05:41.540 Two to one.

00:05:42.600 This is what Blake is talking about.

00:05:44.540 School track meet in Frisco, Texas.

00:05:46.460 They're trying to figure out how this guy even got a knife in there in the first place.

00:05:50.220 It happened in Frisco, just outside of Dallas.

00:05:53.020 Witnesses say Anthony was under the opposing team's tent and wouldn't leave when he was asked to.

00:05:58.340 That's when witnesses say Metcalfe stepped in.

00:06:01.140 Anthony reportedly challenged him, saying, touch me and see what happens.

00:06:04.940 When Metcalfe grabbed him, John, police say Anthony pulled out a black knife and stabbed him right in the chest.

00:06:10.960 According to reports, Metcalfe died in his twin brother's arms.

00:06:17.840 OK, so, yeah, that's that's OK.

00:06:19.460 Pretty much what you had said before.

00:06:21.140 I had heard some other information about, you know, it was raining and, you know, it's a track meet.

00:06:26.780 If anyone who's run track, you know, the kind of they kind of set up those tents on the bleachers.

00:06:30.480 But, you know, each team and there could be multiple teams there, multiple schools there at a track meet.

00:06:35.780 That's kind of how it works.

00:06:36.840 So, you know, each team will set up their their tent for the bleachers.

00:06:40.120 And, you know, we don't have the information exactly on on whose team was supposed to be where or anything like this.

00:06:46.140 And but what's really been crazy is I've also seen there's there's been a ton of misinformation that spread.

00:06:52.900 People were even making like I don't know if you guys have seen this.

00:06:55.860 There have been fake Facebook posts that were made by the sheriffs talking.

00:07:00.000 They literally made a fake post from the Frisco police or, you know, the sheriff's department saying that, oh, there was a fight and there was a huge altercation and someone, you know, and that Austin Metcalf, the white kid had been had been attacking the the black kid.

00:07:17.220 And he was trying to throw him off the bleachers.

00:07:18.980 And that's why he responded, et cetera, et cetera.

00:07:21.480 And that was completely fake.

00:07:22.740 And actually, the sheriff's department had to even put out a statement to say, hey, this this isn't a real post.

00:07:27.080 We have no information on this at all.

00:07:28.880 And the actual police report has nothing about that in there.

00:07:31.680 So I guess, yeah, like, Blake, I'll let you finish your point.

00:07:35.060 But it's it's just crazy to me to see that there are so many fake facts floating around about this, just like in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, by the way, there were fake facts floating everywhere.

00:07:44.060 And people aren't even sticking to actually try to figure out what happened.

00:07:49.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:50.580 And like we said, more will come out about this.

00:07:53.560 And so, you know, to get at why this is becoming a politically resonant topic.

00:07:59.940 So you have a ton of money being raised in what seems to be superficially at least a pretty like a nasty case that would not justify stabbing someone to death.

00:08:12.360 And it's like Carmelo Anthony has become a hero, a cause celeb.

00:08:17.320 I'm looking at his give send go page right now.

00:08:19.680 It's up to two hundred and eighty four thousand dollars raised and it's pouring in.

00:08:24.320 There was a one thousand dollar donation within the last 30 minutes as I look at this and raising more and more money.

00:08:30.780 Some people have complained that it should be taken down.

00:08:33.280 I would not agree with that.

00:08:34.840 But I like the fact that give send go's position is it's a free platform.

00:08:39.480 You can raise money for things.

00:08:40.820 And of course, people have the right to a criminal defense.

00:08:43.680 People have the right to donate to support someone's criminal defense.

00:08:46.620 I'm glad we had a place where we could do that for Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:08:50.940 I think that option should exist for people.

00:08:53.400 But the bigger picture, of course, is whether people have a right to donate to this or not.

00:08:57.660 Should they be donating to it?

00:08:59.440 And where this has become a cause for debate, as I'm sure you could elaborate on, Jack, or we can loop in Andrew and Tyler here, is it has creepily become a racially tinged thing.

00:09:12.200 That the idea is Carmelo Anthony is being railroaded or targeted in a racial manner that Austin Metcalfe arguably deserved to be stabbed to death when there seems to be very little argument that that's the case.

00:09:27.180 And then competing with this is the fact that people are you see this in a lot of cases where people are coming out and aggressively saying, don't ever bring up the racial angle to this.

00:09:39.200 When we know, because we've lived through it many times, that if you did turn this case around in terms of who was the stabber and who was the stabby, that it would be number one story in the country and relentlessly politicized and relentlessly racialized.

00:09:56.640 Let's get I want to get Andrew in on this.

00:10:00.200 Yeah, I mean, I actually I haven't seen this clip yet.

00:10:03.120 I want to play it because I have so many thoughts, but I do want to see this two to one.

00:10:08.480 And we didn't just play that one, did we?

00:10:11.020 It would two to one.

00:10:11.980 Touch me and see what happens.

00:10:13.300 Did we see that?

00:10:14.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:15.120 Maybe you did.

00:10:15.720 Now I'm remembering.

00:10:17.300 So but I'm reading according to the arrest affidavit.

00:10:20.040 Witnesses told police that Anthony warned Metcalfe.

00:10:23.560 So Carmelo Anthony warned Austin Metcalfe, the white kid, not to touch him.

00:10:28.080 And then he reached into his bag.

00:10:29.480 When Metcalfe reportedly touched him, Anthony dared him to throw a punch.

00:10:34.220 One witness claimed that Metcalfe then grabbed Anthony to get him to move, at which point Anthony allegedly pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest before fleeing.

00:10:45.140 So their whole shtick here is that this was Carmelo Anthony acting in self-defense.

00:10:50.580 And you can see and I think to Blake's point, why this is becoming politically charged and racially charged is because you've got Carmelo Anthony's defenders basically saying these these were bullies.

00:11:04.520 These these white privileged jocks thought they could push around this black kid.

00:11:10.320 And he reacted to defend himself. 0.95

00:11:13.040 Carmelo Anthony was sitting under the wrong tent.

00:11:14.940 Not that that really matters, but you can understand that that in high school, kids are going to be like, hey, this isn't your school's tent.

00:11:20.780 Get get get into your own tent.

00:11:22.780 And then people posture.

00:11:25.840 You know, you could see maybe a, you know, a fight ensuing.

00:11:30.640 But the fact that this Carmelo Anthony kid so quickly reached for a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalfe in the chest to me, to Blake's earlier point, there's zero explanation of why that was a rational or justifiable move in that moment.

00:11:47.360 Other than a complete wild overreaction.

00:11:50.580 Now, his family member, apparently, Kevin Hayes is a is a relative of Carmelo Anthony, says it was self-defense and that he panicked after being allegedly jumped.

00:12:02.720 I've seen no indication that Austin Metcalfe jumped him other than to try and grab, probably grab him and push him out of the tent.

00:12:10.980 Now, you could argue that that was the wrong thing to do.

00:12:13.860 But these kind of things happen all the time in high school.

00:12:17.260 And to say that it was somehow justifiable to stab him and that there's nearly three hundred thousand dollars that has poured into his legal defense fund of people that seemingly agree is the part that troubles me so deeply.

00:12:32.120 To me, this has nothing to do with race.

00:12:34.260 I mean, it shouldn't.

00:12:35.500 It has to do with the fact that one kid overreacted and killed another kid, robbed him of his life and his future.

00:12:41.840 Over what?

00:12:43.460 Over what?

00:12:45.000 This is insane.

00:12:47.260 Yeah.

00:12:47.480 Over a seat.

00:12:50.400 Yeah.

00:12:50.760 Do we know do we know how big the knife was?

00:12:54.360 Not that it matters that much.

00:12:55.840 I think it was a folding knife.

00:12:57.520 I think it was like a knife.

00:12:58.480 It's just so bizarre to me, like that the kid was carrying around a knife and they mentioned this in the in the clip, which is they don't know how I got in because most of these schools have, you know, detectors and stuff like that.

00:13:10.240 When you when you walk in now, they have a bad check policy and all that stuff.

00:13:14.620 But unfortunately for for where we're at.

00:13:17.420 But yeah, just the the immediate response to I mean, we've seen that that situation play out so many times.

00:13:24.920 I've, you know, Andrew's point of if you're under the on the wrong side of the football field, even, you know, there's always like fight.

00:13:34.380 We had fights break out after every football game in my at my school.

00:13:38.160 They would they meet up at the Wendy's parking lot.

00:13:40.760 They would get into fistfights and it was it was one team fighting the other.

00:13:45.300 You have this stuff happen all the time, like where kids are constantly just like get off my turf type stuff.

00:13:51.640 We've seen it.

00:13:52.240 You've seen it happen at the mall.

00:13:53.360 You see it happen all the time.

00:13:54.920 So this sounds like it to me.

00:13:57.020 The story that's been told sounds like a pretty standard high school confrontation.

00:14:02.620 And I don't think anyone would ever expect someone to pull out a weapon, especially like at a at a track meet or a football game or something where there's like probably maybe hundreds of people that are around.

00:14:16.020 I don't know how many people are there.

00:14:17.700 I don't think anyone would ever expect to have a knife pulled on them and get stabbed in the chest.

00:14:22.400 You know, and I think worst case scenario, you've heard about situations where someone's pulled out a weapon and kind of flaunted and be like, oh, yeah, back up.

00:14:30.360 And that would have been bad enough.

00:14:32.480 But this the amount of psychopathic tendency that you have to have to have a weapon carried on you.

00:14:39.060 And at the moment of being challenged, just to have the immediate reaction to stab somebody tells me that, number one, this kid has had been probably running in dangerous circles as it is.

00:14:52.680 And, you know, that they were they were it was with you that he was willing to do that.

00:14:56.680 And that should point more to, you know, what we've seen coming out of some high schools is like that gang mentality and that type of stuff that really isn't being handled because, you know, policing isn't being handled because nobody wants to do any of that, especially when race comes into the question.

00:15:12.540 Well, well, he said this wasn't the first time that he'd had a knife incident at school that actually that they knew he had brought knives in the past.

00:15:21.460 So when you're talking about like metal detectors and bag checks, it's like you'd think that, you know, student resource officer or whatever school resource officer would would kind of know like, oh, hey, you know, that's the knife kid.

00:15:33.900 Make sure you double check him.

00:15:34.920 Oh, yeah.

00:15:36.320 Well, and he said he he said this to police.

00:15:38.380 He said, I'm not alleged I did it and stated that Metcalf had placed his hands on him after being told not to.

00:15:46.560 That to me is just thuggish behavior.

00:15:48.900 I'm sorry.

00:15:49.240 I'm just going to call what it is.

00:15:50.540 That is somebody that has been idolizing like gang culture, rap culture, thug culture.

00:15:56.100 And it's like big man.

00:15:58.140 Oh, nobody's going to mess with you.

00:15:59.560 You touch me. 1.00

00:16:00.160 I'm going to kill you. 1.00

00:16:00.840 Like as if that is somehow to be lauded and looked up to know if you want to if you want to tell somebody that they're not allowed to put their hands on you, then use your, you know, use your fists or not at all. 1.00

00:16:13.280 Like, sorry that you don't pull out a knife and stab a dude in the chest because he puts his hand on you when he asked you to leave.

00:16:19.640 Like, this is insane.

00:16:21.780 And the fact that there is anybody, anybody supporting those actions is is beyond the pale and really an indictment of of some really sick, twisted narratives that are floating around this country.

00:16:36.420 Yeah. And, you know, I'll give a huge shout out to Andrew Branca, who does a YouTube show called The Law of Self-Defense, and he's got a book out about it.

00:16:45.020 And he he goes through these things and he talks about the basic elements that you would need to prove self-defense in many cases.

00:16:52.120 And he's, in fact, you know, is a lawyer and he's consulted on a lot of cases like this.

00:16:56.240 And he points out that in any self-defense case, the first thing that you need is an imminent threat of deadly force.

00:17:03.480 So in this case, where is the imminent threat of deadly force or the use of deadly force?

00:17:08.520 There's no there's the only imminent threat of deadly force comes from Carmelo Anthony, not from Austin Metcalf, because the police report doesn't say anything about people ganging up on him or jumping him.

00:17:21.040 And in fact, it points out that there and I did read the police report, the entire thing that came out.

00:17:24.880 So there's over a dozen witnesses, I mean, including the coaches of both teams.

00:17:30.080 So, you know, people who are conceivably, you know, not biased against him.

00:17:34.840 And so this idea that, you know, people are making it up at all.

00:17:38.140 No, it's it's it's very clear. It's very obvious what happened.

00:17:42.480 This wasn't in some like dark alleyway is what I'm trying to say.

00:17:44.780 It was done in full view of, you know, a number of people at this track meet.

00:17:49.280 But also so there's no there's no imminent threat of self-defense.

00:17:52.500 But also he even points out that's what that saying the phrase touch me and see what happens.

00:18:00.080 It could be interpreted in some cases as a provocation.

00:18:04.480 And given the fact that it was a provocation, it's essentially from a legal perspective, an invitation to mutual combat, like like he's basically egging him on to fight.

00:18:16.160 Well, if you provoke someone, then you don't get to turn around and say, oh, I was just defending myself against this person.

00:18:23.700 No, like you provoke the encounter.

00:18:25.660 I'm not going to say that he provoked the fight just by sitting there, but by saying, you know, touch me and using language like that and make it, you know, see what happens, reaching into a bag, you know, from from Metcalf's perspective.

00:18:37.680 Let's say let's say he was around to make the case that, you know, he could even say I saw him getting a knife out and I was trying to prevent him from getting the knife out.

00:18:47.260 Right. So, no, not only is there there no element of self-defense here, there's actually lots of arguments against it.

00:18:53.380 That's a good point. Jack, Blake, why don't you call out the elephant in the room here?

00:18:59.200 I think you're 100 percent right. We're messaging.

00:19:02.180 We're we're talking we can go back and forth on a self-defense argument.

00:19:06.900 But the reason this is a national news story is not, you know, the finer points of self-defense law, because unfortunately, teenagers do kill each other in the United States with depressing regularity.

00:19:18.320 Two things are really driving what makes this a topic.

00:19:22.560 And I think the first thing we should do is to set this up is we should play the dad's reaction.

00:19:28.200 So this is Austin Metcalf's father talking on television.

00:19:32.120 I think the clip that we want is 202. Let's play that clip.

00:19:36.740 It's very unfortunate that this other child decided to make a bad choice that's going to affect him for the rest of his life.

00:19:43.560 I have compassion for every human being.

00:19:47.940 This is not I want to make this very clear.

00:19:50.780 This is not a race issue. This is not a black and white issue.

00:19:54.160 I don't want someone stepping up on a soapbox trying to politicize this.

00:19:57.380 I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this fight and there was they don't know they weren't there.

00:20:04.980 Now, what I will say is I would never question or criticize how a parent specifically chooses to respond to a tragic event, because I think it's understandable.

00:20:21.800 I think if you've experienced a huge personal loss, it would probably be traumatic and upsetting to have it be at the center of a national political discussion.

00:20:32.380 I am entirely sympathetic to that.

00:20:34.540 Nonetheless, it is a pattern that people have noticed that this occurs a lot.

00:20:41.380 It's happened a lot in, for example, cases where illegal immigrants have killed people.

00:20:46.380 A lot of people remember Molly Tibbetts.

00:20:48.860 This would have been about, I want to say, eight or like seven or eight years ago.

00:20:53.680 She was a young woman tragically killed by an illegal immigrant in in Iowa.

00:21:00.020 And her father had this thing where, you know, actually immigrants, illegal immigrants are better than native Iowans. 0.89

00:21:06.700 And like we should not be angry that his daughter was was pointlessly murdered.

00:21:11.380 This sort of thing occurs with disturbing regularity.

00:21:15.700 And people are like, why?

00:21:16.860 Why is this a moral script that so many people feel driven towards adopting of, you know, we have to be clear.

00:21:25.660 Anything that's happening, there is no political angle to this.

00:21:29.040 There is no racial angle to it, because that is, as we were saying, it's the elephant in the room here. 0.89

00:21:34.960 There are a lot.

00:21:37.700 It's not just anything.

00:21:39.080 It's only in these cases, right?

00:21:41.040 If it's another case, like, say, I don't know, George Floyd, that's all about race.

00:21:45.640 That's about race before anyone even says anything.

00:21:48.020 So it's like it's like it's this huge double standard that you're getting at.

00:21:52.440 And I'll let you finish.

00:21:53.400 But I want to say it's it's not just any case.

00:21:56.360 It's only when the victim is a white kid like this or something like that.

00:22:01.500 Then it's then it's, oh, don't talk about race or, you know, Molly Tibbetts, et cetera.

00:22:05.120 It's all not about race, not about race.

00:22:06.620 But if it's George Floyd or or any, you know, Trayvon Martin, et cetera, it's race from the very start and nothing else is allowed to be talked about.

00:22:13.560 Sorry.

00:22:13.780 Go ahead.

00:22:14.040 Precisely that that's the thought crime aspect to it is there are unfortunately a lot of teenagers who are accused of murder.

00:22:23.300 And a rational question to ask is, is Carmelo Anthony getting three hundred thousand dollars in legal defense funds essentially because he killed a white kid?

00:22:35.640 And some people I'm not going to question the motives of every single person who donates, but is the idea that some people like the idea that he could stab a white kid to death and get away with it.

00:22:47.300 Kind of like there were people who wanted OJ to get away with it.

00:22:50.560 And there have been takes people were like, this was our this was getting revenge for for Rodney King or or for the L.A. riots generally.

00:22:57.980 Like, is that impulse manifesting itself?

00:23:02.480 You're saying people who donate.

00:23:05.800 Yes.

00:23:06.340 Yeah.

00:23:06.660 But some people who donated to this may be motivated by they like the idea.

00:23:11.700 Could he get away with this?

00:23:13.280 They may genuinely believe he is innocent, but there may even be people out there who would say it doesn't matter if he is innocent, that we just want him to get away with it.

00:23:22.640 It's Luigi.

00:23:23.340 Yeah.

00:23:23.560 And that's kind of the Luigi Maggioni thing that we've been talking about for, you know, what, six months now or whatever.

00:23:30.060 Yeah.

00:23:30.400 I just jinxed you and saying this is all Luigi mentality.

00:23:34.220 This is where the crippling effect of, you know, societal decay, that's where we're at, is that it's just backwards where you have people on the left who would rather see people they disagree with because they've been so mind melted on DEI and everything that they sit through for, you know, seven hours a day in class.

00:23:55.760 It's hearing from, you know, preschool to where they're at to now, you know, the true enemy is, you know, just the person that doesn't look like them or and that's class warfare.

00:24:09.320 I mean, this is class warfare stuff that is happening and that's who donates to these things.

00:24:14.160 Well, yeah, I think it's very telling, though, that it's a generational thing.

00:24:22.120 And I think, Jack, you would agree with me on this.

00:24:24.140 It's like boomers, especially were raised in a in a country with the civil rights era and they wanted to see themselves as post racial. 0.78

00:24:33.540 And what happened is you had a bunch of like whites. 0.97

00:24:36.980 You know, the country was essentially 90, 85 percent white as they were growing up.

00:24:41.520 And they wanted to believe that it was post racial.

00:24:43.980 And I think it was true for boomer whites. 0.97

00:24:47.300 They had gotten to a point and maybe their their kid, Gen Xers. 0.59

00:24:50.220 I certainly know as a millennial when I was growing up, I kind of thought we were in a post racial world.

00:24:54.600 That was what I was told.

00:24:55.980 And but like or if you're if you're of a certain age, you're a little older, that indoctrination runs so, so deep that I don't think that you you rush to that instantly.

00:25:08.340 The suicidal empathy, this this this indoctrination.

00:25:12.520 It's like and you saw that from the father.

00:25:14.860 For me, this was the this was the the most again, I'm sympathetic to what Blake said.

00:25:23.160 It's like I don't want to judge him for the way he reacted to his son being murdered.

00:25:27.480 I cannot imagine the horror that that must be.

00:25:31.360 And so, like, I'm trying to extend some grace to the father and saying, like, listen, you're going to process this in your own way.

00:25:38.240 And I don't ever want to know what that's like.

00:25:40.620 And so, you know, God bless you.

00:25:42.340 You have my sympathies.

00:25:43.520 But it's yet I have to observe the fact that he he reacted instantly, said, I don't want to make this about race.

00:25:49.660 And I forgive him one day after it was the next day.

00:25:53.640 He had one day and he was already forgiving this kid and saying, you know, it's not about race.

00:26:00.140 Well, you don't know that it's not about race.

00:26:02.220 And I think it's very fascinating that he rushed to say that it's not about race when it very well could be about race.

00:26:07.700 Like, Austin Metcalf could be dead today because Carmelo Anthony wanted to, you know, basically confront a white kid and ended up killing him.

00:26:18.660 I mean, I don't know that it's not.

00:26:21.020 But the point is, it's like you have the white father saying it's not about race because this thing has gone so, so deep into the subconscious of a certain subsection of America.

00:26:31.740 And then you've got younger Americans that have been like, well, listen, we were told it wasn't about race and it was post-racial.

00:26:38.080 And yet the world that we live in has become more racialized than ever.

00:26:41.400 So it's like we tried to live up to our end of the bargain.

00:26:44.080 Now, I know there's a big part of the country that doesn't agree with that.

00:26:47.440 But I certainly grew up in an America where it felt like all the white kids were trying to be post-racial. 0.72

00:26:52.000 And it's like we didn't we didn't get reached out to on the other side.

00:26:55.800 The other side didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

00:26:57.420 And so now now we've got to have these conversations again and we've got to be honest about it.

00:27:01.800 And the younger you are, the more willing you are to be honest, in my opinion.

00:27:05.560 And I think it's telling that Austin Metcalfe's dad of a certain age so quickly went to that that that line that very well might not be true at all.

00:27:16.900 Yeah. And you see it again and again, and it's become this sort of script.

00:27:20.320 And in fact, at humanevents.com, we've had pieces about how they're the DOJ actually had a unit where I believe that Pam Bondi is working to shut down this unit.

00:27:30.160 They call it the Community Relations Services, where they would go around in these, you know, racially charged crimes and actually ask parents to say things like that.

00:27:41.120 No way.

00:27:41.600 This came up under the Obama 100 percent and this came up in the Obama administration and it's it's it's being worked to put to tamp down now.

00:27:49.440 But but I wrote a piece, you know, kind of just for Twitter.

00:27:52.220 And I said, this is sort of the the breaking point of the white guilt narrative.

00:27:55.880 And so what's the white guilt narrative?

00:27:57.540 And it goes back to this 1965 essay by James Baldwin that I think that we'll all, you know, we'd all recognize where it's, you know, he said that the white man's guilt is a, quote, curtain of guilt and lies behind which white Americans hide, unable to confront the realities of their history.

00:28:16.680 And talk about how this narrative of sort of white guilt then became the cornerstone of progressive ideology, DEI and all these things that we talk about that say that, you know, white privilege is mainstream and these ideas of systemic racism.

00:28:31.680 But it also created a sort of cultural hierarchy of moral culpability where there's an idea that so being labeled a racist is currently the worst possible thing that you could be labeled as in your entire in the entire country.

00:28:47.880 It's it's in fact, it's it's so taboo.

00:28:51.180 Our whole country is basically, you know, really in sort of the post World War Two consensus and definitely in the civil rights era has been the it is the largest crime and something that when I was on Tucker, I talked about this that I've always thought it was very fascinating.

00:29:08.200 Jeffrey Dahmer, of all people, so people, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was the serial killer, but he predominantly targeted black individuals and in fact, black teenagers.

00:29:18.860 You know, I think it was like 16 was the 1617 up to like early 20s, but in interviews that he gave later from prison, so he confesses to the police and then in interviews that he later gave from prison or while locked up, he would implore people to understand that he was in fact not a racist, that he did not choose his victims.

00:29:40.960 He said it over and over that he didn't choose them because of the color of their skin because he didn't want people to think is he was a racist.

00:29:47.340 So I just I just want to like everyone understand that Jeffrey Dahmer, a guy who killed and in some cases, eight body parts of his victims was willing to admit to murder, admit to cannibalism.

00:29:59.040 But he really wanted to make sure people didn't know he was a racist.

00:30:03.100 And obviously, you know, that's an extreme example, but I do think that it's something that that discusses the social fabric of what's going on in our country where it's like even a guy like Jeffrey Dahmer, as depraved as he is, is still worried about breaking this social taboo when he's obviously done so many other horrible things.

00:30:23.240 And so it's like we have this narrative that can't be broken. And even in a situation like this, we've just got this just horrible human tragedy.

00:30:31.960 You know, a twin brother dying in his own brother's arms that you still have people that want to hold to this narrative of, you know, well, you know, it's not really his fault because he's acting out based on the years of oppression that he's which, by the way, if you go and look at and people have showed pictures of Carmel Anthony's house that he grew up in.

00:30:53.040 He's got a bigger house than I do. You know, his family does. And they've got, you know, gorgeous, by the way, you know, gorgeous looking family, great cars, looks like he's very upper middle class, if not, if not higher than that.

00:31:06.640 So, I mean, this is not someone who comes from like poverty or anything like this. It's actually someone who comes from a very stable background, it seems like, and yet still was willing to be violent in this instance.

00:31:19.740 And, uh, and, and, and, and so obviously, you know, it's, it's like our realities are not comporting with the, the things that we have been taught at school or taught by Hollywood.

00:31:30.900 Yeah, exactly though. But Jack, I mean, let's play cut 229. This is the, I think this is the day after this cut is from the day after his son is just unexpectedly, tragically murdered in cold blood. 229.

00:31:47.140 I want to clarify something right off the start, because I've already heard some rumors and gossip. This was not a race thing. This is not a political thing. Please do not comment. If you do not know what happened, try, do not turn this into a racial thing. It was not, do not politicize this. It's not, this is a human being thing.

00:32:08.600 This person made a bad choice. And it affected both his family and my family forever.

00:32:16.760 Yeah. Um, that's his dad. That's his dad. His dad is playing it. Very cool. I would be very, I would be very, uh, I would say things a lot differently. I would say, I, I don't think that I could say, well, first of all, I wouldn't be doing media. Like that's, that's number one. I wouldn't be doing media at, at all. I mean, yeah, I, I don't even think I'd, I'm, I'm comfortable even saying how I would react.

00:32:46.740 To, to, to some, if someone, if someone took one of my kids away, you know, I want to go ahead, go ahead, Blake. I wanted to highlight because we, we mentioned the Jeffrey Dahmer one and I wanted to give, because I think this would be an update to a lot of people. We gave a lot of focus to the, uh, when there was that shooting in, um, Nashville, Tennessee, where the shooter appeared to be, you know, had pronouns of uncertain gender identity.

00:33:12.900 And then they were never releasing the manifesto for ages and it trailed off. And recently they released a very lengthy police report on the shooting and what motivated it. And they basically did give the whole story on it.

00:33:26.700 And one of the things that was revealed in that report was that the shooter had been planning a shooting for some time and had considered many different targets. And the shooter had been bullied and had been unhappy at, uh, her, I think it was her middle school.

00:33:43.360 Uh, but she didn't want to do a shooting there and instead targeted the Christian school she had attended where her best memories were because she believed she would be regarded as racist. 1.00

00:33:54.760 If she shot up her middle school and didn't want to distract from like the real reasons for the shooting with misleading reporting about her motivations.

00:34:03.300 And so this is not to say she should have shot up a different place. That would be a deranged thing to say, but it is, I think a revealing look at American psychology.

00:34:13.920 You know, when you have absolutely psychopathic people still having this thought intrude on their thought process for how these things work.

00:34:23.780 Uh, there was another case I was reading about the other day because Jack mentioned, Oh, Blake, I'm sorry to interrupt, but like some of the lines that she used will underscore your point here.

00:34:35.920 It's like, she says, or yeah. So she says, again, this is Audrey Hale who thought that she was a boy, but being white sucks, but being black is so cool. 0.93

00:34:46.740 Black people should rule. White people should fall. Every white person who lived and died. I hate you all. 1.00

00:34:52.560 And it should be noted. Uh, Audrey Hale is white. And she wrote about killing, uh, kill all the white kids, kill all the white kids. Uh, and she loathed America. 1.00

00:35:05.000 She wants to kill my own race, destroy all the white people who are teachers. So just, just to put a button on that. It was a really extraordinary language. 1.00

00:35:13.560 Tyler, you were, you were saying something like, I would, uh, I was just saying, I, I just was looking at this thing. I don't know if I, I can tell you exactly how I respond.

00:35:29.000 If my kid got killed and in this situation, it would be saying some of the things much more vibrantly than we said here, which is, this is told like way Andrew said, this is thug behavior.

00:35:38.000 Uh, you know, I didn't, I don't send my kids to public school for thug behavior. And by the way, this is a good reason why everyone is pulling their kids out of public school.

00:35:48.000 They're pulling their kids out of cities. They're getting their family out of cities and they're getting their kids out of public school. And, and I know this isn't like an inner city place. This is a very suburban location, but this has grown a lot.

00:36:00.000 Uh, you know, this, this location, uh, where, where this happened is a once suburban rural community that's turned into a suburb, more suburban urban area.

00:36:14.000 And that's what's happening to a lot of places. And a lot of people are saying, I don't recognize my community anymore. And this is what happens when you don't have a good handle on things.

00:36:24.000 When you let things slide, when you let gangs like start to infiltrate, like we saw in Denver, we're seeing in Dallas, we're seeing in Phoenix, we're seeing Las Vegas, we're seeing all over California.

00:36:35.000 You let gang like mob like behavior happen. And when you have lackadaisical leadership that that's in schools and everything else.

00:36:45.000 Yeah. I would call this out and say, this is, this is thug stuff. This is why our communities need to get cleaned up. This is why I'm Yankee my kids at a public school.

00:36:55.000 This is why I'm Yankee my kids at out of cities. And that's just the, that's a normal conversation. I think America needs to have in suburban America.

00:37:08.000 Yeah. I mean, it's, I, I honestly don't even like thinking about it. It's just, it's just, it's so far beyond everything would be off. Just everything, everything would be off.

00:37:21.000 But look, there, there's a problem. There's a huge problem in this country. There, the violence is getting absolutely out of control. The interpersonal violence is getting completely out of control and there, there needs to be something fixed.

00:37:33.000 And I'm sorry, this demonization of young white males at every level of society needs to stop. It just absolutely needs to stop.

00:37:42.000 Yeah. And I, I, I, and I am thinking about Jack cause I've got a 15 year old, which is crazy. And you know, I go to these, you know, his wrestling meets and I, you know, we see, I see some aggressiveness all the time.

00:37:56.000 Obviously it's wrestling and you see kids going into fights and sports. It's just normal. I mean, it's part of it, but you know, I've thought about before, like, what would, you know, what would I do if, you know, my kid was in one of those situations.

00:38:09.000 And I don't think making excuses for the situation helps. I think it's, again, it's, you know, again, and my kid for full disclosure is in public school.

00:38:22.000 Uh, you know, that's the decision that, that we've made with, you know, with his parents and with, you know, between parents and him, but it's like, you know, you have these, you have to be on guard and be thoughtful of this stuff.

00:38:35.000 Because again, you're losing your community around you. And that's why I think it's like, it's, it's so important right now with what's going on, not just in the education spectrum, but we're talking about like with the legals, you know, a lot, a lot of people are boohooing about, you know, ice coming in and sending people home.

00:38:53.000 And they're even sending home kids and teenagers coming into high schools in some cases and pulling them out.

00:38:59.000 And it's like, this is the reason why, I mean, you're losing everything around you and we cannot sit by and just let this stuff keep going on. You just can't. I hope there's, I hope there's a, a major reaction that happens in their community there.

00:39:13.000 And it's not just like, Oh, well, you know, it's not anyone's fault because of their skin color or whatever, you know, how they were raised. It's like, no, it actually how they were raised has everything to do with it, how they're being taught and managed, you know, in the classroom has everything to do with it.

00:39:28.000 How they're being coached has everything to do with it. Like this is, this is terrible stuff, life altering stuff. And it shouldn't just be glossed over and ignored. And again, I'm not trying to be critical of the dad. I, you know, like you said, I probably wouldn't be going on TV.

00:39:42.000 And if someone caught me outside my house, I would be going probably, you know, you know, a little bit crazy. Like it's saying what I'm saying right now, which is just like, there's no excuse. It's despicable. It's disgusting. And the school, you know, has, uh, yeah, yeah, deserves a lot of responsibility for our community deserves a lot of responsibility for this and we got to fix it, but it's just crazy.

00:40:04.200 Now, one thing that I do want to say before we move on, move topics here is that, um, deescalation. Uh, this is really a great example of why, and you know, we're not justifying to anything here, but what I'm saying is if you do find yourselves in one of those situations, it's always the best opportunity to, or the best option to take yourself and say, take a step back and say, all right, guys, you know, this way, is it really worth it over a seat, right?

00:40:33.160 Is it really worth going and paying that price overseeing? I'm not saying that, you know, he thought that that would happen at all or was anywhere within his thinking. But again, deescalation is always an option in these cases. Like, Hey, we're going to go get somebody if we have to, et cetera, et cetera, something like that. Or, Hey, this guy's threatening, you know, whatever it is, you do want to try deescalation. And I would say teaching that to people. Now, if you find yourself in a threat, if you find yourself in a fight, someone actually is threatening you.

00:41:02.160 Of course you got to do what you got to do. But again, deescalation I think is, is absolutely key. And I've been in a number of situations where, and people have seen stuff where I've been, you know, outnumbered by, uh, you know, hundreds of people and, you know, held my ground, but I did what I could to deescalate. So I was able to get out of those situations.

00:41:19.740 Um, what is our next topic? We've got a bunch of topics on this. Yeah. We're going to pivot to something a little lighter here, Jack. And that is a dire wolves 208. Let's play. Let's start the segment with clip 208.

00:41:35.440 The howl of a dire wolf hasn't been heard on planet earth for more than 10,000 years. That's because the species is extinct or was colossal biosciences is a Dallas based company.

00:41:53.440 That's using genetic engineering to de-extinct long gone species. And this is the first time colossal dire wolf pups who are now six months old have been seen by the public.

00:42:11.440 That's wild boy. All right. That's the clip. And, uh, I think there's a, I think there's a photo of a certain, certain, uh, famous celebrity type guy who was, who was seen with the dire wolves. There we go. George RR Martin himself. Yeah. Blake, take it away. This is the best thing. The dire wolf. So for those who don't know, a lot of people have watched game of Thrones and they don't know dire wolves are real or rather were real. They are a species of wolf.

00:42:41.440 That went extinct about 10,000 years ago. So they overlapped with people, but not like written history and kind of what makes a dire wolf different from a normal. They're not, they're not as portrayed in game of Thrones or in a song of ice and fire where they're basically just really big wolves. It's more like there are more robust wolves. So they have, I think they're wider. They have like a heavier skeleton. So it would probably be a tougher wolf, but not necessarily a bigger one.

00:43:09.040 Now what's fun about this, of course, is I think they've been extinct for 10,000 years. I read my first George RR Martin novel in, I think 2005. And I was in high school then. And, you know, 20, 20 years have passed now. And we literally have brought dire wolves back from the dead. Allegedly. We can get into the details of that.

00:43:36.000 And he still hasn't written winds of winter and there's no evidence he ever will. And I know Jack is going to have strong opinions on that.

00:43:43.160 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For people who don't know my, my background, I first, before politics, I kind of first got big on the internet for running this, um, uh, game of Thrones blog called angry GOT fan. And, um, I was, you know, like someone who was like from the perspective of a books reader. Um, it was like very sarcastic and very tongue in cheek, but yeah, I was always hating on the HBO show because it wasn't true to the books.

00:44:08.960 And then it just, you know, it just kind of took off and just had a life of its own. But yeah, so the, the very first scene in both the books and the show is the finding of the dire wolf pups in, uh, in, in the North, um, you know, outside of Winterfell and like the main characters get there.

00:44:24.840 And so there's this, uh, there's, yeah, it's, it's literally been, so the, the book series has not ended is what Blake's talking about. And because the first five books are out, but there's planned to be seven, at least as we know of, although the TV series of course ended and had this hugely controversial ending that, uh, the book series has not ended.

00:44:45.100 And in fact, no new books have been released in the series since the TV show started. So the final book, book five of the series came out in 2011. So 14 years ago, uh, is when the last book actually came out. And the next book, which George R. Martin claims that he's writing is the winds of winter. And yet still hasn't been released. And, uh, you know, a lot of the fans, and this has been something where, you know, HBO has been trying to kind of overcome.

00:45:15.100 This by releasing the prequel series, which isn't quite as popular as the original one. I mean, when Game of Thrones first started, it was just this massive cultural force. And, you know, that's definitely one of the things I would be like on deployment and, uh, tweeting about it. And yeah, you just see, you know, thousands and thousands of people there, uh, live tweeting the show or, or, you know, arguing about it and arguing about things. And, you know, then of course we had like the SJWs came in and I sort of experienced like a little bit of, uh,

00:45:45.100 I think with the video game guys called Gamergate, you know, around, around that same timeframe in 2014, 2015. And then, and then I took a brief, uh, a brief, uh, sabbatical brief, brief break in that to, to go and make America great again. So here I am.

00:45:57.640 But, uh, but, uh, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's been this, this crazy thing where, yeah, you know, it was such a good series. And, you know, I, I think that what they did on the TV show, I'm just going to say it. I think what they did on the show totally poisoned the, the experience for a lot of people. And it just killed what could have been this massive fandom. But instead, you know, it just made a lot of people be like, Oh yeah, I don't like that anymore. And they kind of just, they kind of just walked away, but now the dire wolves are back. So maybe there's, maybe there's some hope.

00:46:27.640 Maybe there's some hope for the winds of winter.

00:46:29.460 Well, I was reading, I was reading this whole thing about how this is not actually bringing the dire wolf back. This is a genetically edited gray wolf. This is all I, oh yeah. Yeah. This is massively fake news.

00:46:44.800 Like I should, we should clarify on that.

00:46:46.940 This is yeah. Like first off, like, cause I was like really into this and I was like, Oh wow, this is cool. And like, everybody was talking about like all the things that they were going to bring back. We literally can bring nothing back.

00:46:56.960 They edited, they just genetically edited a gray wolf when you, upon further research. And it's just like, and it's like the easiest thing to edit. Cause let's like designer dogs, you know, how there's all these different breeds of dogs and everything else.

00:47:10.740 Like dogs are canines are actually like really easy to, to manipulate their genetic code here.

00:47:18.060 And so apparently this was just like a, like a really massive step in genetic editing on stuff, but it's, you know, they don't know how long they're going to live.

00:47:28.240 They're not going to like breed them or anything like that. So I just wanted to throw that.

00:47:33.380 There's always that question of, you know, if they can mate for themselves, it's producer Fos is saying it's like IVF for extinct animals.

00:47:42.860 Yeah. It's so I want to explain more of it. Cause this is, this is real science that's coming that people should be aware of.

00:47:48.640 Cause what they did is really what they did is they took existing wolves.

00:47:52.280 I think was, I'm not sure if it was a timber wolf or a gray wolf, but, and they just added, they manipulated a few traits of it to take it in a dire wolf direction.

00:48:01.980 And then they're hyping it as they brought the dire wolf back because they're a Texas startup that wants lots of attention on themselves because biological sciences, but it does raise the possibility.

00:48:14.520 We are headed in the direction of being able to do this more and more.

00:48:18.540 Uh, the thing they used to do this is called CRISPR and it's basically a science we have that allows for gene editing and what is coming eventually is CRISPR edited human beings.

00:48:30.140 We have the, we have the power, especially in utero to, to some extent, manipulate the genes of, of people who already exist.

00:48:39.860 So you can take a baby that is in utero and edit its genes to potentially change its eye color to on the positive ends.

00:48:49.460 You could manipulate its genes to take away some otherwise fatal or harmful genetic abnormality, but obviously you'll also have it on the other end.

00:48:58.100 Could we be using CRISPR to make sure people come out with an IQ of 120 or 140 or 190?

00:49:05.820 We could, could, we could make sure they're six feet tall or seven feet tall or 10 feet tall.

00:49:11.000 Who knows?

00:49:12.000 All of this is coming down the pipe.

00:49:15.160 And it's interesting how the, you know, the spin of we're bringing back a, an animal you thought was fictional is just sort of the, it's the leading edge of what will actually be an enormous social, uh, and scientific issue in the years to come.

00:49:32.140 Um, and I think there was a lot more attention on it before AI came and suddenly took over all of our, you know, ominous future technology vibes.

00:49:39.980 But we're, the future is coming very aggressively.

00:49:44.360 Yeah.

00:49:44.780 This is, this is Gattaca.

00:49:46.240 This is like, there's a ton of Michael Crichton where he gets into this, not just Jurassic Park, but other, you know, other books as well that do specifically get into gene editing.

00:49:54.140 The fact that there's, you know, no laws on this whatsoever.

00:49:57.680 It's also interestingly enough, it's going to have, it's going to play a role in like insurance rates.

00:50:01.980 Right.

00:50:02.720 Because, you know, people will be able to, you know, the, the company will say, well, Hey, we want your DNA sequence.

00:50:07.960 And then they're going to say, Oh, well, you have a, um, you know, you have a propensity for this, propensity for this, propensity for this.

00:50:14.460 And so your insurance is going to be a lot higher for a number of different things.

00:50:18.000 But on the flip side too, just with gene sequencing, not necessarily gene editing, you, you potentially can actually get like tailor-made, um, healthcare, like your healthcare could actually get really better because of this.

00:50:29.000 And even I I've seen some writing about, you know, people talking about the idea that you could get specifically made a synthesized medicine that's made specifically for you because they know it's exactly something that can work with your, um, you know, work with your, your genotype and to say like, okay, this is exactly what you need.

00:50:48.800 But if you give it to somebody else, like it might not even have any effect at all, or it might kill them, you know, which is, you're not supposed to be giving your medicine to other people anyway, but it's, there's all sorts of implications for this.

00:50:59.480 But yeah, obviously the scariest one is, is do we get, you know, do we get into Gattaca?

00:51:03.740 Are we, are we going down that road?

00:51:05.540 And we clearly are, by the way, there's been, um, I was at the natal conference in Austin last weekend, and this was like a huge controversy they were writing about because there were some speakers there who claimed that they have.

00:51:15.900 They've used a, so they use IVF and they were talking about a sort of process that they were using for screening the embryos that were created in their IVF process and screening for intelligence and other traits.

00:51:32.780 Like you're talking about, Blake, it wasn't like editing, but it was like, they were looking at the embryos and they were trying to figure out which ones would be, uh, would be like the strongest or the smartest, et cetera.

00:51:44.260 And then they were selecting for those.

00:51:46.220 And so, uh, that's, that's just for me as a, as a Catholic, that's something I have a, I have a huge issue with, you know, particularly when it comes to the destruction of the embryos.

00:51:55.640 But I don't know, uh, Andrew, what, what are, you know, you're, you're out in California.

00:51:58.880 I'm sure you hear stories like that all the time.

00:52:01.820 I mean, my whole thing is why that's, that's my whole thing.

00:52:05.300 I guess there's like, you know, it's in the human spirit to explore the unknown and to embark on things that haven't been done before.

00:52:11.620 But I'm like, you know, where we have wolves in Yellowstone, it's like, it's already a problem, uh, with the ranchers and things throughout Montana.

00:52:21.580 So it's like, I don't know, why do we need more wolves?

00:52:24.160 I blame George R.R. Martin for this, uh, fascination in the first place.

00:52:28.160 I'm sort of like relieved to know that it's not a pure dire wolf.

00:52:32.400 Um, I don't know that, that seems scary to me.

00:52:36.140 Uh, they, they died out for a reason.

00:52:37.900 I don't know.

00:52:38.460 I don't, I don't have a whole lot of opinions about this, but.

00:52:42.280 Wait, wait, can we, can we use them?

00:52:44.500 Can we use them for border security?

00:52:47.300 Then I would, that would be a good why.

00:52:49.340 That would be a good why.

00:52:51.480 That fulfills my why.

00:52:52.540 Maybe some, maybe some saber tooth tigers, get some of those back, put them down on the border.

00:52:56.960 A couple of those giant, giant sloths.

00:52:59.320 Like, like, what are those?

00:53:00.640 Like, they're like the, they're like, it's, it's kind of like, it's a rhino, but it's like the size of an elephant.

00:53:04.860 You know what I'm talking about?

00:53:07.020 Oh, I can't remember that one.

00:53:08.660 I'm thinking of, you know what I'm talking about?

00:53:10.300 We have the, uh, kind of, I'm mixing it up with a creature that might only be in star Wars.

00:53:16.060 The, the ancient megafauna I always think of is they have those giant ultra sloths that used to live in the Americas that are like the size of a grizzly bear.

00:53:25.680 Uh, is it, I can't remember the name of it, but I think it might just been like giant sloth or super sloth.

00:53:31.940 Didn't they have like, yeah, he was talking about rhinos.

00:53:34.800 Like the, oh yeah.

00:53:36.060 No, there, there was definitely a giant, I think you should call them giant rhinos.

00:53:39.880 No, there definitely were giant rhinos that were like bigger.

00:53:42.900 There, there was also short face bears.

00:53:44.880 Oh, I can't even say that, which are like paraceratherium, paraceratherium.

00:53:50.920 Yeah.

00:53:51.120 We're going to go with giant rhinos. 0.99

00:53:52.720 So it was the size of four African elephants.

00:53:56.000 Oh yeah.

00:53:57.380 That's what I want.

00:53:58.280 That right on the Rio Grande.

00:53:59.380 All this is reminding me of like visiting the tar pits in Cal, like in Los Angeles.

00:54:08.780 And they have all the megafauna and all the, uh, no, that's, that's where, that's where George R. Martin got the idea.

00:54:15.140 Oh, okay.

00:54:15.820 No, he's, he's literally told the story that that's where he got the idea to do dire wolves because he was visiting the tar pits.

00:54:22.100 And I guess, like you're saying, they have some display of the, uh, of these, these, the megafauna, the, you know, the mega mammals.

00:54:28.980 And he saw dire wolves and was like, oh, this would make a cool, a cool thing.

00:54:32.880 He's literally talked about that.

00:54:34.460 Yeah.

00:54:34.940 The giant, really cool.

00:54:36.760 That giant rhino was hairy.

00:54:38.460 Wow.

00:54:39.480 It was a wooly rhino.

00:54:41.360 Yeah.

00:54:41.960 Wooly rhino.

00:54:42.300 Was it as hairy as a blade?

00:54:43.340 No, I want to just, just so you guys know, Blake, Blake, Blake from the neck down is incredibly hairy.

00:54:50.600 It all just, it slunk through my head and then it just grows out further down.

00:54:58.220 Something, something that maybe you'd want to edit with CRISPR.

00:55:02.320 Maybe, maybe.

00:55:03.460 Angela has a good question for us, which is like, would we be willing, would we consider it moral

00:55:09.460 to, uh, alter the genes of any children we're going to have?

00:55:14.860 And like, what, what could the tiers of it be?

00:55:16.940 Like, you could alter it.

00:55:18.340 So, is it moral to alter it so they don't die of something?

00:55:21.080 Like, if you know, they will likely, 99%, they'll die before age five of a degenerative genetic condition.

00:55:27.380 And then the next one, would you do it for stuff that is not mandatory, but clearly advantageous

00:55:34.180 in life?

00:55:34.800 Like, so, you know, you can guarantee they'll have 10 higher IQ points or, you know, you

00:55:40.540 can guarantee they'll be taller if they're a guy.

00:55:43.680 And then purely aesthetic things like pick, make, give it so they have green, green eyes

00:55:48.420 or red hair, which they otherwise would not.

00:55:51.040 Uh, I think a lot of us would agree it would probably be unethical to, for example, create

00:55:56.740 10 embryos and then throw nine of them away to pick one.

00:56:00.560 But is it ethical to just literally edit one child where if they already exist, they won't

00:56:06.840 die, but you just modify their traits?

00:56:09.540 Is that ethical or not?

00:56:14.340 So, I mean, this is Gattaca, right?

00:56:16.440 This is the Gattaca question is what kind of a world does that create when everyone's 1.00

00:56:21.400 doing that?

00:56:22.660 Um, you're, you're, you're essentially creating this idea that, you know, you're playing God,

00:56:27.400 you're, you're playing God with society.

00:56:29.800 You're playing God with your own children.

00:56:31.640 And yeah, of course people are going to say like, well, I don't want my kid to have this

00:56:34.900 genetic disease.

00:56:35.800 I want my kid to have this.

00:56:37.460 But eventually down the line, what you will do is you'll create a society where basically

00:56:44.360 you, you have like, and this is what they depict in Gattaca, they call them the valids

00:56:48.600 and the invalids where there's this two tier system of, of, of, uh, uh, social classes where

00:56:55.040 one are the genetically modified people.

00:56:58.020 And then the rest, they call them like love babies. 0.94

00:57:00.680 Um, and you're the invalid. 0.71

00:57:02.140 So you're not valid.

00:57:03.640 You're not valid to, um, you know, have certain jobs and you're like, you do like menial 1.00

00:57:09.040 labor or Vidal is there. 0.96

00:57:10.600 It's very interesting movie.

00:57:11.400 Um, and you know, it's, it, so it, it, it becomes a problem I think for society because

00:57:18.440 what you're doing is you're taking away that essential human condition to say that, you

00:57:23.280 know, people can naturally be, uh, be stronger.

00:57:27.260 People can naturally be better.

00:57:28.800 People can actually have that talent and that there is something that you're tapping into

00:57:32.900 that's ultimately bigger than, you know, just the sum of your genes.

00:57:37.300 Well, and I just want to point out too, the, the effects of current CRISPR outcomes is that

00:57:45.180 there are tons of mutations that are awful that, that they, they, I mean, they have recorded.

00:57:52.380 This is part of the reason why, uh, you know, most, most of Christendom opposes, uh, stem 1.00

00:57:59.300 cell research is because of the outcomes that are there and that how it does, you know, it

00:58:06.180 does cause there is, there is a bunch of throwaway, you know, outcomes that come from it.

00:58:11.600 But to your point, let's say that there was none of those that existed.

00:58:17.060 I still think that like exactly what, what Jack is saying is that you like part of the

00:58:23.180 beauty of the procreation is that you don't have control over the outcomes.

00:58:28.960 And this is, this goes to where, you know, some of the arguments are made for the pro

00:58:33.420 life community is that you take the outcomes that exist and you, and you work with that because

00:58:41.260 that's what God has given you.

00:58:42.860 So I, I think that that's, you know, you start getting into that.

00:58:46.720 Obviously there's things that have a plus, I mean, we saw what happened in the clone wars

00:58:50.640 and star wars.

00:58:51.220 Right.

00:58:51.460 So, uh, you know, we just, uh, yeah, we're not, I mean, if there's another Blake walking

00:58:58.820 around, I mean, truly, I mean, if we get started, started getting into, you know, slightly better

00:59:04.180 looking versions of all of us, you know, out there, you know, we're, we're definitely going

00:59:08.280 to fall to the bottom of the barrel.

00:59:09.820 So, you know, since we're specifically on the topic of dire wolves, I think we have

00:59:17.540 to engage with a particularly horrifying kind of genetic engineering, which could be possible,

00:59:22.560 which is what if the furries become capable of creating actual like humanoid furry creatures?

00:59:32.600 Um, I think because one, they'll definitely want to do this too.

00:59:38.320 It's not well known, but like furries often work in tech.

00:59:41.480 They're often, they're an oddly well-funded, gross, creepy hobby.

00:59:45.520 So like, they'll have, they will have the money and soon they will have the technology and

00:59:52.100 they may unleash horrors beyond our comprehension.

00:59:55.840 That's weird.

00:59:56.700 And I, I actually got an Uber ride when I was in Florida from a furry and the furry.

01:00:03.240 Whoa, what?

01:00:04.960 Whoa, what?

01:00:05.980 Like, this should have been our lead topic.

01:00:08.380 I, well, I, this was months ago, but it was like, I mean, I was, I was in the car.

01:00:12.700 It was sitting on it for months.

01:00:14.600 There was a whole bunch of weird stuff that happened in this interaction, but it was a,

01:00:18.220 it was a furry.

01:00:19.700 What, what, what city is it?

01:00:21.220 What part of Florida is Miami, right?

01:00:23.760 No, this is in Palm beach, West Palm beach.

01:00:26.200 Yeah.

01:00:26.460 That makes sense.

01:00:27.040 West Palm beach.

01:00:27.920 Yeah.

01:00:28.380 Miami culture is spreading.

01:00:29.720 It's spreading.

01:00:30.400 Yeah.

01:00:30.580 I mean, I was, I mean, candidly, I was there for, you know, official business.

01:00:35.300 And so we're, we're close to the, to the, to the winter white house and the, but I was,

01:00:40.820 I was, they, they picked me up and I'm Tesla model three.

01:00:44.820 So it was a Tesla.

01:00:46.340 This person was not a Trump fan, but they voted for Trump because I don't know.

01:00:52.260 They just, anyway.

01:00:52.940 And this person was apparently sort of ambiguous gender stuff and had a boyfriend, but I think

01:01:04.300 was actually technically a girl, but didn't identify as one.

01:01:07.720 It was lots of strange things.

01:01:09.440 Wait, wait, wait, Andrew.

01:01:09.960 No, you have to explain what were, what costume were they in?

01:01:13.020 Were they a wolf?

01:01:13.500 Yeah, what furlicks?

01:01:14.000 They had like, yeah, they had like a, uh, it's not a costume.

01:01:17.420 No, they had, they had a, uh, kind of like a nose, like a fox or something.

01:01:23.080 And then they had kind of like a raccoon tail.

01:01:25.660 I don't think it was a fox tail.

01:01:27.760 I'm not even kidding.

01:01:28.640 This is like a whole, like it was a whole.

01:01:30.580 And then they had, uh, yeah, they had ears, you know, um, true story.

01:01:38.040 My only actual interaction I've ever had with a, with a, did they have like anime stickers

01:01:43.560 all over the car, you, you run into that sometimes?

01:01:46.820 No, for real.

01:01:47.520 Oh.

01:01:48.300 It was.

01:01:49.160 They had it over the, over the dashboard, there was, uh, something was hanging from the

01:01:53.560 rear view mirror.

01:01:55.300 And I just was like, I was sitting there going, so, how long have you known this?

01:01:59.740 And it was just basically, this feels more real to me than, than not wearing this costume.

01:02:06.820 Like, okay.

01:02:08.000 Very nice person, actually.

01:02:10.300 Really polite.

01:02:10.900 That guy is so excited for Christopher.

01:02:12.560 That guy saw this news story and actually, I don't want to say more about how that person

01:02:18.280 reacted to this news story because I'll get in trouble, but that's, what's coming.

01:02:24.520 There, there are a lot of people, there are a lot of people who are, who are going to be

01:02:27.760 way into that.

01:02:28.520 It's a, it's very upsetting.

01:02:30.180 We have to prepare ourselves.

01:02:31.400 We may need to, we may need to prepare in advance, maybe announce, like if we, if we pull

01:02:36.720 off the Greenland thing, we could say there will be a safe part of Greenland and it can

01:02:40.820 be the colony for all of the furry people and you can make them, you can exist, but they 0.97

01:02:46.060 have to go into exile.

01:02:47.320 We have to have a parallel society.

01:02:49.340 They'll be warm.

01:02:50.460 They have fur.

01:02:51.160 The falliny.

01:02:51.920 The falliny.

01:02:53.200 No, you can't.

01:02:54.060 That's a horrible idea.

01:02:55.720 Tyler, where are you looking?

01:02:57.420 Where are you looking?

01:02:58.540 I have to know.

01:02:58.800 There you are.

01:02:59.700 Greenland only has, sorry, I keep looking at the big screen because I'm not used to

01:03:03.980 the sea.

01:03:05.980 Greenland only has like 50,000 people in it.

01:03:08.000 We can't like have like 10% of the culture be furries.

01:03:12.060 We can't have it like be 20%.

01:03:13.420 Are you saying the furries would take over Greenland?

01:03:15.740 Immediately.

01:03:16.220 No, you have to, the furries belong in, you know, somewhere where we're never going to

01:03:25.720 win again, you know, deep, you know, deep in LA, deep in New York City, wherever.

01:03:32.260 Andrew just said this one voted for Trump.

01:03:34.020 So, you know, maybe there's, there is that maybe Scott Pressler can go and register some.

01:03:40.800 We did not win the furry vote.

01:03:42.780 We did not win the furry vote.

01:03:44.320 We do not need to win the furry vote.

01:03:46.220 You know, just saying, maybe we could get a point like a turning point action, maybe.

01:03:53.700 This was a Florida furry.

01:03:55.300 They're the exception of the rule.

01:03:56.940 Low propensity voter.

01:03:58.520 Turning point fur.

01:04:00.280 What would we call it?

01:04:01.540 Turning point fur.

01:04:04.800 Maybe fur ball point action.

01:04:07.940 You're not, you're not winning the furry vote.

01:04:10.280 All right, Jack, like we are not, that is a, that's taking your eye off the ball.

01:04:14.120 It's not winning the vote.

01:04:15.140 It's about the low propensity.

01:04:16.300 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:04:17.500 Where's Mr. Low Propensity Voters?

01:04:20.520 Look, you just, it's, you target and you get them out.

01:04:24.200 What if, what if Charlie has to go do an event?

01:04:27.940 What if Charlie has to do an event at a, like a large furry convention?

01:04:32.800 Because they're, we like, we determined that they're a political swing voters and he has

01:04:36.920 to speak at that.

01:04:38.120 Could we get Charlie to put on the, the cat ears?

01:04:41.860 Fun, no, we could not.

01:04:43.260 But here's, here's a funny story though.

01:04:45.280 We've had in the early turning point days, we used to hold our conferences at the cheapest

01:04:50.900 time of year at some of the cheapest hotels.

01:04:52.760 hotels and there was more than one occasion where we had some really interesting conventions

01:04:58.740 happening like the week before or like simultaneous, like right next door to us.

01:05:03.720 And one of them for one of our trainings was a furry convention.

01:05:07.200 It was happening at the same hotel as we were going out.

01:05:10.560 We're like, oh, this is weird.

01:05:11.440 Did you go Tyler?

01:05:12.440 Did you go to the furry convention?

01:05:13.740 No, we, we observed, we observed from a distance and they were not.

01:05:17.360 Can I just say this, this has been one of the weirder thought crimes and I, I dig it.

01:05:22.280 So all Charlie, Charlie leaves for one week.

01:05:27.400 Tyler says they observed, Tyler says they observed it at a distance.

01:05:31.420 And all I'm going to note is like five feet is a distance.

01:05:35.220 It was, it was close.

01:05:36.620 They were just like in the next, you know, conference rooms over.

01:05:39.320 It was odd.

01:05:40.320 There was other ones too.

01:05:41.820 One time there was a, a pole dancing convention happening right next door.

01:05:46.020 It was, I'm not even kidding you.

01:05:47.900 This is like early, early on, early on.

01:05:50.480 We're like, it's terrible.

01:05:53.400 Not good.

01:05:54.140 So there were, there were pole dancing furries. 0.93

01:05:57.380 No, not the same one separate times.

01:06:00.520 Oh, oh, oh, thank you.

01:06:02.960 But there could have been furries there as well.

01:06:04.820 Oh yeah.

01:06:05.440 Yeah, probably.

01:06:06.320 I mean, that's okay.

01:06:06.960 I mean, whoa, that's okay.

01:06:07.980 Cause we won the Oscar now.

01:06:09.300 I actually do think a lot of pole dancers were, are Trump supporters.

01:06:12.640 I don't think the furries are on our side.

01:06:14.980 All right.

01:06:15.220 I think there's actually a lot of, I, I, I, I view the furry culture the same way on Reddit.

01:06:21.560 When I read like Disney adult stuff and things like that, we're not winning that, that vote.

01:06:27.060 Those people hate it.

01:06:27.840 What do you read on Reddit?

01:06:29.180 What do you read on Reddit?

01:06:30.360 I, I, I added, I added, I made the mistake of following Disneyland or something on, on Reddit

01:06:37.380 when we went to Disneyland, like a few years ago.

01:06:39.200 And I've got sucked in because it's all just like the most beta, you know, male and all

01:06:47.060 the Disney adult type.

01:06:48.380 Oh, it's a religion.

01:06:49.140 It's a full religion.

01:06:50.220 Oh, it is.

01:06:51.320 It is like a slow train wreck to watch.

01:06:53.420 It's like the most horrifying thing.

01:06:54.760 Which we have to, we have to know why, uh, Mormons, specifically Utah Mormons love Disneyland

01:07:02.100 so much.

01:07:03.440 Oh, man.

01:07:03.760 We already talked about this.

01:07:04.800 We talked about this.

01:07:05.580 Oh, did we?

01:07:06.020 It's okay.

01:07:06.600 It's Instagram.

01:07:07.540 It's all Instagram culture.

01:07:09.620 Yeah.

01:07:10.900 Instagram culture.

01:07:11.740 Plus it's cheap enough to drive to, of course we're like, I'd like the last episode or last

01:07:17.080 part of the episode, but I'm like, uh, Instagram brain is so bad.

01:07:20.500 It's, it's so bad.

01:07:21.760 It's like destroying, um, so much in society.

01:07:25.640 It's like, we were not made for this.

01:07:28.320 We were not set up for this, you know, and TikTok culture is like right on top of that.

01:07:32.300 But Instagram brain, yeah, it's a real thing.

01:07:34.520 It's so bad.

01:07:35.600 And it's like the difference between Instagram people and like, I think we're all kind of

01:07:39.840 more like Twitter text-based kind of people, but Instagram brain is a real thing.

01:07:44.980 People really have it.

01:07:46.560 And, uh, yeah, I don't have like a full theory of Instagram brain yet, but I think we all

01:07:50.640 kind of know what it is.

01:07:52.060 Well, and it's losing its footing too.

01:07:53.900 I think that's part of the reason why the election was won was because, uh, a lot of like

01:07:59.280 a lot of people have kind of given up on all the fakeness of, of Instagram.

01:08:03.160 So I think that was more at its peak during 20, ahead of 2020, which that's a whole other

01:08:08.420 theory, but, um, it's interesting.

01:08:12.420 All right.

01:08:13.340 We have anything else you want to hit?

01:08:15.080 No, I think that's a good point.

01:08:16.720 Let's end on Instagram brain and the fact that we won.

01:08:19.800 Well, no, well, that, well, that, but that's a cliffhanger.

01:08:22.020 It's a cliffhanger of Instagram brain because I intend to bring this up because there's so

01:08:26.340 much more.

01:08:27.300 Yeah.

01:08:27.700 Yeah.

01:08:28.200 Well, I would just say there's one weird, uh, breaking news tie in, which is not usually

01:08:33.100 what we do on thought crime, but tick tock, the sale of tick tock has been shelved indefinitely.

01:08:39.300 Not even sure there will be a deal to be made with the Chinese because of the, uh, tariff 1.00

01:08:44.220 announcement, uh, pausing with all the other countries and going up to 125% with China.

01:08:49.620 So the China trade war is putting the future of tick tock, uh, in some, in some question.

01:08:55.680 Um, so seize it, just seize it, just seize it, seize the farmland, seize it, seize all

01:09:01.620 of it.

01:09:02.080 Take it all.

01:09:02.900 Seize the app.

01:09:04.000 Seize the algo.

01:09:04.960 Seize the app.

01:09:05.660 Seize the app.

01:09:06.180 Seize the assets.

01:09:07.300 Uh, seize the memes of production.

01:09:10.400 All right, guys.

01:09:11.160 I think, uh, I think before we get into any more trouble, uh, once again, Tyler's comments

01:09:17.220 may have to be scrubbed from the record, but, but as always, go out there and, but as always,

01:09:25.920 go out there and commit more thought crimes.

01:09:30.340 Thought crime is death.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 15, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves？ Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony？

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript